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DebateThotismSpeaks/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:44 PM
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Obviously anyone who is struggling to find dates may have to re-evaluate expectations especially if they lack desirable qualities themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 01:47 AM
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thank you <3
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 01:42 AM
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>And not to mention there are many neurodivergent men and women out there who struggle to juggle work, school, multiple friendships, and a romantic relationship all at once, so it’s kind of a “pick one” Interpersonal relationships are not subject to the ADA. If I can date someone who IS capable of working full-time and having friends, why would I date someone who struggles with it? >But wanting long-term stability, I think I would mesh better with the introvert who focuses on hobbies/books at ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:54 PM
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The women I know who engage in casual sex do it for its own sake, not because they think it's "liberating" or "empowering." And it's not a zero-sum game. If a woman wants to have sex with a guy she's not dating for sheer enjoyment, she's not giving anything away or being tricked out of it. She's just having sex. I don't think it effects anyone's leverage on the dating market. People who want relationships will find themselves in one at some point even if they were promiscuous in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 01:44 AM
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A man dressed like that would almost certainly be signaling sexual availability to other men, and if he wasn't doing that on purpose, I'd think he was very oblivious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:18 PM
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At the end of the day, if men find that initiating, paying for dates, and other behaviors you describe as "simping" produce the results they want, they're going to continue doing those things, and they're going to be the ones getting dates while the rest of you complain on reddit. They do it because it works, and you're annoyed that women dare have expectations and preferences that inconvenience you. Sometimes I wonder if these posts whining about having to put in effort are men trying to sabota…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:31 AM
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You should break up with someone if you're not happy with the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:53 PM
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You'd have a point about laziness if the woman in question was single and complaining that men don't approach her. As it stands, most women are in a position where men pursue us. It can be convenient, yes, but it's not "laziness" to refrain from doing something we don't want to do, don't need to do, and aren't ethically obligated to do. That isn't mutually exclusive from finding it romantic and attractive when a man takes the initiative and provides, either. Men who dislike this dynamic know wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:34 PM
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"Someone mentioned they would never date a woman who had been raped or was in a past abusive relationship." I wouldn't date me either tbh. A lot of men feel my good qualities are worth it and they think they can deal with the bullshit. Some find out they can't. Whether or no it's out of my control doesn't matter, because the fact that it's not my fault doesn't negate the effects of behavior. And one's dating preferences are not subject to social justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:32 PM
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>Blah blah blah Thank you for the thoughtful refutation! The average man didn't sacrifice anything to "allow" women to work outside the home, and even they did, that was in the interest of liberty for women as a whole. Your charity pussy scheme would involve women selecting men to utterly devote their lives to for a year, for no reason other than him being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:05 PM
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>So women don't know when their ovulating, not taking the pill, no abortion pill and no abortion? As I explained, there have been cases of hormonal birth control being sabotaged by a malicious partner. It also doesn't change the fact that some men do engage in reproductive coercion via "stealthing" when normally a condom is reliable. >So you're saying men CAN'T or shouldn't be stay at home dads because women need to recover? Sounds sexist and like women can't be strong, independent boss babes. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:46 PM
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>No men have I ever heard of have even the intention. They couldn't even if they wanted to because women have complete contraceptive control. This is absolutely something that happens. Men have interfered with contraception by "stealthing" women (removing the condom secretly during sex). Some even poke holes in condoms or sabotage hormonal birth control. >I'd love to be a stay at home dad with a wife paying the bills - a total dream. This isn't as common because women get pregnant, recover from …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:12 PM
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Allowing women to work outside the home did not suddenly double the workforce just like that. Economics is far less simplistic. Men and women are not perfect substitutes. For example, I can't plop the average woman into a construction job and expect her to be as productive as the average male. The types of labor that this would impact are industry dependent, and this should be obvious. You can only generalize on industries where your gender doesn't matter. From psychology, we know that women on …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:10 AM
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Being in a relationship with someone means spending a good chunk of your free time with them, and if you're not actually interested in them or getting anything out of the relationship yourself, you're losing opportunities to meet someone you actually want to be with. I wouldn't ask men to devote a year of their life to helping a random woman. There's also the risk that he reacts very poorly to the inevitable breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 AM
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If they're that anal about going tit for tat, they can pay for the cleaner to half the house and ask the poorer partner to do the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:07 PM
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If you both spend the same amount of time working it makes no sense for one of you to have to spend more time doing housework. If one partner earns more and they don't want to do housework, they can pay for a cleaning service.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:50 PM
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I had a similar experience to her. The guy wasn't an incel. He called himself a male feminist and had female friends. The relationship lasted a few months, he blocked me, then reached out on other platforms to "check in" and tell me he "wished me well" even 3 years later. That's why women don't want to be in the position of dating these guys - they will become obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:55 PM
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That's a lot of pressure to put on a partner. Self-improvement ultimately starts and ends with an individual. Women don't want to the responsibility of being her boyfriend's reason to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:38 PM
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It's extremely weird to bring up someone raping your kid out of nowhere too. You were replying to a woman saying that we shouldn't be expected to literally clean up after our male partners like they're children, and you went off about how you expect "the bitch" (your imaginary girlfriend) to do more chores if she doesn't earn as much money. Very concerning!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:36 PM
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Sometimes these guys are alone for good reason and not just because they're shy or awkward or nobody wanted to give them a "fair chance."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:16 PM
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Are you talking about a hypothetical woman or your actual wife? If you're not married you're getting worked up over nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:06 PM
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I briefly dated a 27 year-old morbidly obese virgin who never had a girlfriend and worked as a janitor. He claimed to be a male feminist but turned out to be psychotically jealous and controlling, saying he didn't want other men to even look at me. Ironically whenever we were on the outs he would DM other women, including one of my friends. It's like the fact that someone like me gave him a chance imbued him with false confidence and he thought he was a player all of sudden. Sometimes he tried t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:41 PM
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Have you tried not referring to your partner as "bitch"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:16 PM
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<image> Do you have any specific examples of feminists who espouse both opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:53 PM
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I really hope nobody is here actually thinking they're going to win hearts and minds. It's entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:20 PM
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Women being more likely to be vegetarian doesn't really mean anything in terms of how common they actually are. If these things are hard requirements, you'd have to multiple the percentage of women willing to be providers by the percentage of women who don't eat meat by the percentage who want three children, and so on. And not all of those women will necessarily be attracted to or want a relationship with you, or be open to being "converted" to your way of thinking. That's probably why people a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:09 PM
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What's "emotional intelligence"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:03 PM
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I haven't read all romance novels, silly goose! There are so many!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:22 PM
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Do you know how and/or why YOU personally emotionally respond to the above romance plots/characters/stories/scenes? Asked and answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:13 PM
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You seem to be looking for a very specific breakdown. Could you give me an example of a story you enjoy and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:50 PM
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I couldn't say! I was just curious as to how you concluded that specific number of cold approaches would yield results. Women who fit what you're looking for are rare, and not all of them will like you in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:49 PM
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Because it's nice to feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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Why wouldn't I know how to understand my emotions? You're being very confrontational. I don't read this material anymore, but when I was a teenager the appeal was being chosen and loved by a powerful male who could crush your enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:20 AM
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No, I'm just wondering how you arrived at that number.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:14 AM
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I was responding directly to OP's comparison and in doing so I answered the question. It's thrilling escapist fantasy that would be unrealistic in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:28 AM
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Why 3000?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:05 AM
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>Not a vegetarian or with any political or religious check, but \one woman said she agreed with my take on father involvement, but she didn't want kids herself. One woman in a similar boat sent me nudes but had a husband. So you haven't actually met any women open to this kind of relationship with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:10 AM
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>I have a few standards for a future wife: lets me be a stay-at-home dad, slightly hypogamous, fellow vegetarian, wants three biological children, and just a handful of fairly common things; otherwise, I am UBER flexible. The dynamic you are seeking is highly unusual. Have you met many women open to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:22 AM
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Men will goon to a lot of women in porn that they'd never date IRL and feel absolutely ashamed once the post-nut clarity hits. I think a better comparison would be female love interests in media like James Bond, and Bond Girls tend to fall within a narrower range of beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:33 PM
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You don't seem very socially aware is the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:12 AM
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I guarantee this attitude seeps into the way you speak in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:04 AM
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Some do have the kind of friendships you describe with women, it's just not common because it blurs the boundaries of friendship and a romantic/sexual relationship if the woman is male-attracted and the man is female-attracted. But that takes time to develop and you need to come across as a safe person. Right now you don't because you respond to women stating their boundaries by arguing how valid they are, and expressing irrational anger at the idea of being denied emotional intimacy with a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:53 AM
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"I need it with both men and women." What you want from people who aren't interested in giving it to you is irrelevant. If you've never been able to develop the kind of friendship you want with a woman, it's possible you creep them out. Appropriating leftist discourse about discrimination to demand cuddling and sleepovers will not fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:16 AM
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You may know that, but other people can't take your word for it. And it's not just about safety. Some women just aren't going to relate to you the way they do with their female friends. Maybe they're not worried about you developing feelings, but they're worried they might so they don't cross certain lines. Or it's religious/cultural. The point is it's not fair of you to weaponize political language meant to describe actual damaging bigotry to instead berate women for not being as "emotionally i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:05 AM
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You've had multiple women describe the uncomfortable, dangerous, and traumatic situations they've weathered because they didn't discriminate and made friends with men, only for you to brush off everything they said and respond with passive-aggressive remarks like "You're bigoted! Sorry for being born with a penis!" You are not entitled to intimate friendships with women, and your desire for them does not outweigh women's desire not to be sexually assaulted or stalked. If you want the kind of emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:45 AM
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I hang out with femcels and I never heard this. The ones who are hostile towards men just don't befriend them. There are certain forms of emotional intimacy and vulnerability I only share with my female friends, though, because there are issues that aren't appropriate to discuss with men, and ones that cross friendship boundaries knowing that most men are heterosexual, and I am too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:12 PM
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Past a certain point, a large height difference isn't desirable because of logistics. A taller man by 10 inches would be 6'2" compared to the average woman at 5'4" and that's when it starts getting into "weird tall" territory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 09:22 PM
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Why is it so surprising to you that women want attractive men in their romance novels? Men usually want attractive women in their own escapist fantasy media.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:54 PM
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Do you read romance novels yourself? How would you know anything about the content of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:23 PM
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Is it possible these are different women? Unless you can find someone defending porn as fantasy who's previously made comments similar to what you describe, you're just engaging in goomba fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:42 AM
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My point was that the things you find thrilling in fiction aren't necessarily things you want to do or have happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:35 AM
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Some do, but the majority of CoD players don't join the military, at least in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:20 AM
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>at the same time it would be hilarious to claim its just something something, like "gun guys just want to look at there guns and dont shoot them" "car guys have just the fantasy of driving a car and rather drive bus" and "people who watch cook stuff on youtube actally dont want to cook" I'd say a better comparison would be that men like playing Call of Duty, but wouldn't be happy if they were conscripted into the military or someone started shooting at them on the street. They might like to fur…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:52 AM
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When he was in the bank???
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:49 PM
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So from a few comments you were able to gather that I am: - a female misogynist - right wing -selfish All because I said oppression isn't unique to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:56 PM
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I'm simply explaining to you that the common woman was exploited in a different way than her male counterparts. Governors and generals decided that they don't want women in war, not me. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:14 PM
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I'm simply explaining to you that the common woman was exploited in a different way than her male counterparts. Governors and generals decided that they don't want women in war, not me. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:43 PM
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Women make poor soldiers, so of course they weren't used as cannon fodder. They were breeding stock and domestic labor instead. They weren't being elevated above their brothers or husbands just because they were women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:56 PM
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I have seen anti-feminist men kvetch about Selective Service/the draft and pointed out to them that most feminists are anti-war and anti-draft. In response they say they think the draft is actually necessary, but also women aren't suited for the military (even in support roles) so the only "fair" solution is making us go back to the kitchen. Very disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:59 AM
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It's interesting how people who draw this comparison always propose taking away women's right to vote rather than abolishing the Selective Service. Also, repealing the 19th wouldn't automatically disenfranchise women, it would just make states able to do so individually, which probably wouldn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:09 PM
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Kinda reminds me of an old joke: How many Jewish sons does it take to change a lightbulb? No, it's fine, don't worry, your mother will just sit in the dark... The punchline being that they're more concerned with everyone knowing that they're suffering than alleviating the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:02 PM
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You have a very loose definition of sadism. Indifference isn't sadism. Contempt isn't sadism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:12 PM
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Selfish and immoral women exist just like selfish and immoral men exist, they simply have different modes of behavior on average. And they both have their enablers who will find a way to explain how it's actually reparations or whatever their justification is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:11 PM
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You aren't attracted to men, have you considered that women aren't attracted to the men who apparently need pity sex? Straight women are attracted to men, just not all of them, and we usually need to get to know them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:41 AM
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It's weird how some men don't understand how costly sex can be for women, like we're only refusing to let these poor chaps stick it in because we want them to suffer (and not because it risks our health and safety or anything). How many of these dudes would be willing to have "pity sex" with a gay guy? Come on, he's in a DARK PLACE!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:43 AM
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Having pity sex with a desperate man you're not interested in is a terrible idea. It's not like he's going to be satisfied with just once especially if he gets little romantic/sexual attention otherwise. That's a good way to end up with a stalker.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:10 AM
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I think it's reductive and misogynistic to suggest that the only reason another woman would hold a certain opinion is because she wants male approval. I only describe a woman as a "pick-me" if she debases or endangers herself or other women to impress a male romantic prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:38 PM
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That's juvenile.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:36 PM
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That can have an unpleasant sensation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:44 PM
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I disagree. Some women just don't like the sensation of being licked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:07 AM
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A lot of women don't enjoy cunnilingus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:24 AM
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What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:19 AM
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NOW is against Selective Service in general and passed a resolution calling for its end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:33 PM
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And there was no male involvement in the process that made a baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:27 PM
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Good luck getting men to support restricted birth control. A lot of men like having the ability to have sex without a condom without worrying about pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:11 PM
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You can have both those things in a relationship. Ideally your partner would comfort you when you needed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:56 AM
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I don't understand why you think when I say there shouldn't be total obedience, the only alternative is constant arguing and contrarianism for the sake of it. That's not what I'm suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:50 AM
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Challenging in the way a piece of media makes you think, or strength training makes you stronger. A challenging partner wouldn't be completely submissive and devoted to you to the point where you could do no wrong and they'd continue to stick around. That would be boring, not to mention unsettling. There would be no point in having a conversation with such a person because they'd just mindlessly agree to whatever you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:07 AM
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When I say "challenging" I don't mean unpleasant. Just a woman who isn't totally submissive (the female version of a simp, as described by OP).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:11 PM
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I disagree. I think men - actually, people in general - get bored of things they don't have to work for. It's part of the human drive towards achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:10 PM
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A "pick me" is not simply a woman who's devoted to her boyfriend. It refers to a woman performing internalized misogyny for the sake of male approval, and not the approval of one man in particular. I also disagree that most men would respect the female version of a simp. A woman who threw herself at a man and sacrificed everything for him would be taken for granted and ultimately discarded for a more challenging woman, especially if she wasn't particularly attractive to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:13 PM
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"Mating strategy" would be more accurate. "Natural selection" is a scientific term that doesn't really apply here, and I get the impression you're using that phrasing because you want to legitimize passport bro behavior as the secular will of God. In order to be natural selection, it would need to create a heritable reproductive advantage. The children of passport bros would need to have an innate trait (not one they learned) that allowed them to produce more offspring. This can sometimes turn o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:02 PM
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I'm 34 and 4'11" so the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:25 PM
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If you're going to bring up science and statistics, where are the stats on infidelity as it correlates with social skills? Even if you're correct, I'd rather be in a happy relationship with a man who is more likely to cheat on me than an unhappy one with one who is less likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:47 PM
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I think a lot of people are inclined to feel personally attacked when they're told they have it easier, even if it's true. "Just world syndrome" runs rampant in normie psychology. It's very troubling to think that some people will suffer through no fault of their own, so others comfort themselves by saying the person must have brought it on themselves somehow. I totally believe that men have it harder, at least in some ways. It's harder for them to get a date in the first place, and they're beho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:08 PM
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Women like socially adept men because we find them attractive and easy to relate to. Deliberately choosing a partner I'm not really interested in because I think they won't cheat on me is counterproductive because I'll just end up resenting them and they might cheat on me anyway. Someone who doesn't get a lot of attention from the opposite sex in the first place might paradoxically be even more inclined to cheat because they're so starved for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:12 PM
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It's a rough economy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:22 PM
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Gen Z? Resource providers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:17 PM
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Why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:07 PM
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There's no winning with these guys. If you dated a short man in the past and are now dating a tall man, you obviously broke up with the short man for the tall man, and probably cheated on your short ex to boot. If you're dating a short man, they say you must be old/fat/"ran through" and settling for a betabux short man because you couldn't get a tall man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:00 PM
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>Yeah cause why should a young fit man date a fa 30 year old woman ?? If those are the only women willing to date him, he has a choice to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:51 PM
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It's cherry-picking. There is nothing I can say to this man to convince him that his height (which is probably within normal range anyway) is the only things standing between him and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:50 PM
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Women do date short men, but I get the impression you'll disqualify any example you're given because "well he's rich" or "she's over 30 and kinda fat so it doesn't count."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:38 PM
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I run in nerdy circles IRL and the men with active social lives have active romantic lives, including the schlubby Warhammer 40k enthusiasts. Online, I see posts from men talking about their lack of romantic success. In many cases, their daily routine consists of work, errands, solitary hobbies, sleep, repeat. This isn't necessarily something women want to get in on. The guys in question either say they would expand their horizons but need a woman to deliver herself to their door like a pizza an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:29 PM
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What women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:20 PM
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We're not a monolith. Drug addicts and human trafficking victims shouldn't be held responsible for other women not dating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:52 PM
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>The idea that young women are too immature is entirely subjective "Immature" literally means "not fully mature." Saying a young person is immature is just factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:17 AM
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Another "heterosexual" man who doesn't like women as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:42 AM
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Lol got em
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:09 AM
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>What govt should do in both Europe and USA is give men incentive to fight for the war. They should give men 70 percent reservation in college campuses, preference in job, free healthcare, subsidised housing etc. They should make divorce laws more favourable to men so that they get 70 percent of assets, they should give right to paper abortions, and protection against paternity fraud. They should give men protection against adultery etc etc. Not all men are fit for duty, such as the elderly and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:38 AM
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Men who don't get a lot of female attention will grasp onto any woman who shows the slightest interest like a life preserver and not let go. They place her on a pedestal and lovebomb her, but it's uncomfortable and not even flattering because their standards are "be female" and that's it. Unfortunately this tends to scare dates off and make them even more desperate for the next time until they learn to cool it and be less clingy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:25 PM
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I don't really get aroused just from seeing an attractive man, because I don't know him and sex wouldn't be on the table yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:46 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get why incels or MGTOW aren't supposed to post here either... it's basically a gender wars subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:31 PM
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From the sidebar: PurplePillDebate is a neutral community to discuss sex and gender issues It isn't a red pill space or a men's space. It is explicitly a debate/discussion sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:23 PM
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It's necessary because elderly people can no longer perform ADLs such as bathing and may be incontinent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:02 PM
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It's not a bad thing, it's just necessary. Why do you think it's not good?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:48 PM
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Presumably you aren't going to be wiping her ass either, so what exactly are you threatening to withhold here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:38 PM
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>What exactly is the alternative? When you're 80 years old, are you going to import some poor poor kid from a developing country to wipe your ass and cooch for you? When my grandma was around that age and riddled with dementia, my dad and his sisters hired various immigrant women to do exactly that. I used to do the same work in a nursing home, for people who also had children. "When you're 80, are you going to do this extremely common thing that Americans have been doing for years? Checkmate fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:37 PM
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If she's employed, society doesn't need to take care of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:58 AM
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The impression I get from red pillers is they acknowledge a young attractive woman might enjoy being single and dating a lot of different people without committing, but it loses its luster as she ages and her looks as well as libido diminish, at which point she wishes she had a steady partner to come home to. The problem is when they think men are immune to loneliness and capable of maintaining a swinging bachelor life into old age. A lot of it is wishcasting and revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:58 AM
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People dislike pickup artistry when it promotes treating relationships like a system to be gamed and promotes manipulating women for the sake of hooking up. Someone who resorts to PUA tricks is unlikely to be able to maintain a real relationship when he's no longer "running game." Women don't wear makeup or show cleavage with the intention of tricking men, just enhancing their own looks (and said woman might not even be interested in men in the first place).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:25 PM
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It's disingenuous to suggest only women are guilty of this because there's certainly a contingent of men who demean women for being overweight or older. People in general can be mean, especially online when they're pseudo-anonymous and there's a layer of separation that allows them to depersonalize the subject of their ire. Traits perceived as low-status are easy targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:28 PM
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It happened more when I lived in an urban area. I don't think it's common for women to approach random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:45 PM
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Most likely slightly flattered but not interested since I don't like cold approaches from strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:32 PM
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Yes, because you're picking and choosing. You want women to defy gender roles by asking you out while still conforming to feminine appearance and sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:21 PM
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You're the one saying women are obligated to do the same things men do or it's not equality. But just like you're accusing women of "picking and choosing," you don't really want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:40 PM
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>So where is the equality? Where are all the new aged women shedding rigid gender roles and embracing their 'masculine energy'? Okay, every woman has just gotten a buzzcut and is now wearing work boots. What color strapon do we wear to penetrate our boyfriends, in the interest of equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:37 PM
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What privilege? Men choose to approach women. It's like giving someone a video game they're not interested in so you can play it, then asking them when they're going to give YOU a present. I think a woman should absolutely approach a man if she's interested in him, but unless her reason for not doing so is explicitly based on gender roles, it has nothing to do with feminism or equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:02 PM
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But that could only be the case if you treat every action a woman does or doesn't undertake as political. When I fail to approach a man, I'm not thinking, "It's a man's job." I'm just not approaching for personal reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:46 AM
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Not everything a woman does is a feminist statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:36 AM
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It's only a gender role if women aren't approaching men because they think it's inappropriate for a woman to do so. The reality is women don't approach for the same reasons men do: they're too shy, don't want to be rejected, don't want to put in the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:59 PM
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I don't know a single feminist who thinks men are obligated to approach or that women shouldn't. But they also don't think women are obligated to approach men they're not interested in approaching because it would be convenient for him and he thinks it would be nice. >It's awfully stupid to say "it's not supposed to be easy" to men and then say "why should I have to do anything when the men will do it for me?" lol It's not contradictory, you just don't like it. Men could boycott approaching wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:47 PM
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This is getting so off topic, but I did manage to land a position right out of college at a defense contractor which would have been really cushy if I kept it, but my past and current situation were too fucky to get a clearance and I eventually lost my business analyst position. I'm now pursuing nursing because it doesn't have as many people jockeying for those cushy desk jobs and it can't be outsourced or automated. On the plus side, I don't know how long I could have kept doing the 8-5 even WF…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:47 PM
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Men and women have the exact same obligation to approach the opposite sex, just as we have the same obligation to perform domestic labor in a partnership. If a woman doesn't have to approach men because she can rely on them approaching her, why would she? Similarly, a man whose wife is perfectly happy doing the bulk of the cooking/cleaning has no reason to start doing it himself. Feminism doesn't necessarily mean we have to stop performing the gender roles we're suited to and comfortable with. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:37 PM
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I have to admit I'd likely be jealous and maybe a little resentful because I was an MIS major with ambitions of doing what you're doing now, but my career got derailed. I don't think it would affect my attraction to a partner if he was otherwise ideal, although I do find blue collar guys particularly hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:17 PM
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Because you're expecting women to start doing it just because men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:04 PM
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Why does equality mean women have to rise to the standard of male behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:22 PM
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Women are already free to approach men and do so, just in smaller numbers because we're less motivated to do so. Equality does not mean women who don't care to ask you out on a date are going to start doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:41 PM
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It's not supposed to be easy. This is millions of years of evolution at work. A shy, introverted caveman didn't get to pass on his genes and that was that. I'd like it if women approached me instead Why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:30 AM
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>A huge number of men spend hours in OnlyFans creators’ DMs hyping them up, giving free advice, boosting their posts, and literally helping build their entire brand and money machine — for absolutely nothing in return. The hyping up: "wow ur ass is amazing, im jackin off now" The advice: "its my birthday, u should give me a free vid lol" Subbing to an OF creator is just being a customer, and the interactions you have with them in DMs are them tolerating you and possibly trying to sell you more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:48 PM
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I hear men express opinions about sex work all the time. You're allowed to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:30 AM
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Oh yeah, thought you were OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:05 AM
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"if I had a dime for every time a feminist said (OF is empowering for women, because they are taking control of their own bodies. While also saying that sad OF girls are the result of the evil patriarchy men made by forcing women to be sexual), I would be a trillionair."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:04 AM
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You said there's a legion of feminists who simultaneously describe sex work as empowering yet victimizing. A former porn star who regrets her involvement is not an example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 12:10 AM
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Do you know any women who aren't porn stars?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:17 PM
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Mia Khalifa is not the spokesperson for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:46 PM
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This whole post is a Goomba fallacy. The same people saying sex work is empowering aren't the same ones saying sex workers are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:37 PM
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Which is different from saying women find 80% of men OVERALL unattractive. And you still don't get that a woman might swipe left for reasons other than the man being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:50 PM
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Dating apps are a microcosm of male-female sexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:07 PM
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>The article and study don’t only reference physical attraction, but everything. Yes, that's what I was saying. It's misleading to conclude "women find 80% of men unattractive."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:58 PM
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You don't have to care about that any more than you have to care that some people think a thing you like is cringe. That's how freedom works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:52 PM
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But attractiveness wasn't what was being measured. What was being measured was swipes on a dating app. Like I said, you could be visually attractive but a woman could still disqualify you for wanting children when she doesn't, or because you're right-wing and she isn't, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:46 PM
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People make fun of cheesy male romantic interests in women-oriented media all the time, you're allowed to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:33 PM
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"The study finds that women only swipe right 30% of the time; about 20% of all female dating app users also turn down more than 80% of the potential male suitors on the apps." This doesn't mean "women think 80% of all men are ugly", it means they didn't want to go on a date with 80% of the men they saw on an app. We're not necessarily compatible with most men and that can be for a lot of factors. The men might look attractive but very different interests, beliefs, and lifestyle choices will disq…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:44 PM
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OP addressed this. Dating apps show still photos and a bio. Women aren't as inclined to get excited over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:34 AM
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>The race play is just how I convince you to sit on my face. Keep LARPing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:26 AM
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I guess you have some sort of weird racial humiliation roleplay fetish and you're trying to get your jollies for free this way. It's gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:12 AM
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This post is incomprehensible. Why would the actions of one's great-grandfather make a difference in who they have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:05 AM
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If you were to have a poll on which gender they think has it worse, men are more likely to say men do, and women are more likely to say women do. People are biased and inclined to think of themselves as persecuted, so they'll cherry-pick or handwave away whatever data they need to keep that narrative going. Men and women have different problems that can't really be collated into one being more or less privileged overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:01 PM
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>Most of the feminist beliefs are rooted in one thing, weak people need help and women are eternally weak so women should be helped always. This is why young men don't support it. Go on any NSFW gore sub on reddit, more than 80% of content is basically men getting ripped apart, burnt to crisp or being shredded in a machine but women are the ultimate victim lol. You see a homeless woman with kids, we have failed as a society but if you see a homeless man with a kid, oh he should work hard even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:51 PM
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I subscribe to the idea of "if he wanted to, he would." I have only ever dated men who pursued me, sometimes aggressively, because otherwise I have no way of knowing if he really likes me. And if a man does like me but is too shy or anxious to say so, that's also a problem because I don't want to be with a shy man. That said, I don't believe in "playing hard to get" or testing men and there should be some form of interest or reciprocation on the woman's end, otherwise he's being pushy and embarr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:46 AM
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The "male loneliness epidemic" actually refers to men who are socially isolated even from platonic and familial relationships, not just men who are unhappily single. There is some overlap though because a lot of men don't bother with friendships when they expect a partner to fulfill their social needs. I agree that men who struggle with dating aren't necessarily bad people. Attraction isn't based on morality or fairness. But this isn't something a lot of people like to admit because of just worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:39 AM
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>And this part is why it’s so annoying when manosphere guys say “women have inherent value.” They clearly suffer from their own version of apex fallacy where they don’t notice the ~inherent~ expectation for a woman to be hot, young, domestic, motherly, and submissive for men. The irony. Reminds me of this thread a while back where someone was arguing that women only care about what they can gain from a romantic relationship, whereas men love women for who they are. I pointed out that men still e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:24 AM
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He's nice and funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:58 AM
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Were you previously a high school dropout who's never been able to hold a job more than a year and categorically says he's disinterested in changing his ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:30 PM
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Why is orientation/behavior as a factor less valid than genitals?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:08 PM
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You are wrong because the entire post is about genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:06 PM
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I have a vagina but won't date a person with a vagina. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Hypocrisy only applies if you're judging the other person negatively but excusing yourself instead of just saying it's not for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:43 PM
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I mentioned his age because if he was like 20, I'd think there might be a chance he was just immature and might want to turn things around. But you're not teaching this old dog any new tricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:43 PM
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I know my partner better than you do. He hasn't read a book since high school. He has no interest in any kind of job training or schooling that would enable him to make more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:35 AM
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>There has been some messaging that even glancing at women was wrong but anyone with a brain disregarding that stuff. We need to stop letting red pill and feminist bullshit color our world view. If they say something stupid it should be treated like the homeless guy in my neighborhood who swears aliens replaced his eyeballs. I wish more people understood this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:56 PM
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No. I'm heterosexual and humans cannot change their sex. A transman's penis is not real. I also wouldn't want to deal with the issues surrounding living as a trans person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:39 PM
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Say you're a woman going to a board game night or whatever. Everyone you meet there will be a stranger, but there are other people around to provide social lubricant and show you how he interacts in groups and with people he's not trying to shtup. His participation in the group tells you he has rudimentary social skills at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:38 PM
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A vocal minority of women exaggerate the potential implications of cold approaching women, but most women really aren't interested in unknown males striking up conversations when we are aware of their ultimate reason for doing so and we prefer to date men in our existing social circles who we're already comfortable with and have informally vetted. Women in general are not asking you to justify why you don't want to approach women. They don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:12 PM
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My wants, needs, and expectations don't change relative to how he treated a previous partner. Either I'm happy with him or I'm not. It doesn't matter if he's a reformed wife-beater or reformed simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:17 PM
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My expectations and needs are what they are. They aren't relative to how he treated previous partners. People change over time and people tend to be less intense as they age compared to when they were hormonal teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:00 PM
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I'm okay with being the primary breadwinner, just not the only one. My boyfriend makes slightly above minimum wage and is unlikely to ever make more (he is 40). I don't care as long as he's employed and contributes what he can.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:17 PM
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I dislike misinformation and it annoys me when people mindlessly parrot any extraordinary claim they hear as long as it conforms to their worldview. I confirmed this factoid wasn't true myself because it seemed unlikely to me that homicide would really be more common than drug overdoses or auto accidents. There's another one where they analyzed homicide victims by sex. 34% of female victims and 6% of male victims were killed by intimate partners. This means a female homicide victim is 5.7 as lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:08 PM
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You're right, there's really no debate here. I think people saw headlines that said "homicide is a leading cause of death in pregnant women" and translated that into "homicide is THE leading cause of death in pregnant women."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:49 PM
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You're right, there's really no debate here. I think people saw headlines that said "homicide is a leading cause of death in pregnant women" and translated that into "homicide is THE leading cause of death in pregnant women."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:48 PM
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It's an expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:36 PM
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Leftists are more open to alternative lifestyles for better or for worse..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:36 AM
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Porn has normalized it, and being open to extreme sex acts suggests being flexible and fun, whereas being "vanilla" is seen as prudish and boring. For some people I think it's the sex equivalent of going on a rollercoaster, where you get an adrenaline rush of danger without actually being in danger. Of course, for some people, it's more like burning themselves with cigarettes - a form of self-harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:11 PM
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Juveniles aren't "women."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:39 AM
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Pretty much the same ways men assault women with the exception of simple brute force. Drugging them, waiting for them to fall asleep, or intimidating them with weapons or threats. Or they could just initiate sex with a man despite his protests/lack of consent and for whatever reason he did not fight back.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:25 PM
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I think women are just less interested in committing sexual assault overall since there are still avenues where we can force ourselves on men with impunity. There would need to be an increase in aggression and libido, not just strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:59 PM
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>If what she's after is the performance of an emotional bond with marriage and 2.3 children, then I hope she enjoys the bear as a person If it's a warm approach, then you would already know each other and have some sort of emotional bond. And how does that imply she wants "2.3 children"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:03 PM
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What would you consider a woman being empathetic to a man's dating struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:06 PM
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It typically comes across as self-pitying and sometimes bitter. Most people only pay lip service to caring about the problems of others. Also, someone complaining about their dating woes might portray the situation as "us versus them" which rouses defensive rhetoric from the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:04 AM
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The appeal of dark romance to women is the idea of a man who considers you his entire world, has the power and resources needed to make your life easier, and will do whatever it takes to keep you with him. Pornography that involves real people being abused and exploited isn't really the equivalent and I'm not sure what would be. Fantasies about being victimized aren't the same thing as fantasies about victimizing others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:42 PM
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And who do you think is going to inform him of this if not the mother? How would he not notice she was pregnant, then not pregnant but no baby? Would be very difficult to reclaim a child you were never legally the parent/guardian of even if you could locate them after they're surrendered. DNA testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:42 PM
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If a man knows a woman had his baby and the baby disappeared, he would be able to inquire about this with the authorities and they'd cross-reference that with any recently surrendered infants. There's a process to deal with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:01 PM
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A man's involvement in the reproductive process ends when he ejaculates. A woman's continues for the duration of a pregnancy. You both had the same autonomy to decide if she got pregnant in the first place, but she is the only one who can end her own pregnancy. This isn't an unfair advantage for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:40 AM
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I think women would be less selective if they were more sexually motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:18 PM
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>Naw women wouldn’t really want to give up that benefit, even if they had men’s sex drive. My point is they wouldn't have that benefit. They would need to court men if they wanted a romantic or sexual relationship, same as men do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:08 PM
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If men and women collectively switched sex drives, I don't think there's any reason that women wouldn't do most of the initiating and pursuing while men were more passive. It's not laziness, it's just lesser desire and higher selectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:55 PM
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Women are usually less interested in pursuing men than men are in pursuing women. Of course the most attractive men were getting messages. Most dating apps have at least 4 male users for every woman and it's probably more considering some of the "female" profiles are bound to be bots, scammers, or sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:15 PM
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I don't want my children to live in a society that demands their freedom under the threat of worse conditions. And this society would need to be maintained through the generations, like a pyramid scheme of sorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:31 PM
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If you lost all interest, why didn't you leave? Part of this is on you for putting up with this, and I'd say the same thing to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:49 PM
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You don't know me and have no basis to claim I wouldn't, other than your own personal biases. I would definitely think a woman sitting mute while a man talked about his past flings on a date was being stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:19 PM
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Sorry, do we know each other? Please tell me how you and your crystal ball came to the conclusion that I wouldn't think a woman tolerating a man being inappropriate for 20 minutes wouldn't be dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:06 PM
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Very much doubt it. Okay. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:02 PM
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Yes I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:56 PM
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"I didn't say a word and just listened to this sex rant that lasted a good 20 mins." And at no point you interrupted to say you were uncomfortable or that it wasn't appropriate? This person was socially inept but you tolerated it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:55 PM
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Google trends don't prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:18 PM
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The trial was in 2022 and people were talking about it in 2020. You're moving the goalposts anyway. A lot of people were on Depp's side prior to the trial. I don't know how it's so hard to believe. He was a popular actor and Amber Heard wasn't well-liked, plus the idea of an abusive woman being bought to justice appealed to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:14 PM
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Nope, that was in the news a couple years before the trial began.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:19 PM
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Pretty much all the commentary I saw around the trial was people calling Amber an abuser and making jokes about how she pooped on Johnny's bed. It was only a small contingent pushing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:03 PM
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That doesn't logically follow. How is Amber Heard's career doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:10 PM
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That's not the same thing as society at large. I constantly get shit when I suggest Amber isn't the second coming of Adolf Hitler.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:32 AM
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Not all of society consists of "polite company." Like I said, Amber Heard was thrashed pretty soundly in the court of public opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:29 AM
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>If you guys had just left him alone, he would be irrelevant. But no, feminists hasd to flex their muscles. They had to show the world that they can destroy whoever they want with impunity. TIL feminists control the Romanian government and police force
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:26 AM
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So your solution is to be irrational as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:20 AM
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But if feminists say that they would believe women just based on their words, we should be allowed to believe that the woman is lying just based on words of the accused man. Since they don't need proof, we shouldnt also need proof. People already do this. If a man says he was falsely accused, plenty of people take him at his word. The position an individual takes will depend on their relationship with the involved parties and personal biases. You mention Amber Heard. A lot of people believed Joh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:01 AM
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Pimps don't make a prostitute charge more. If anything they have her charge less so she gets a higher volume of customer and therefore more money. There are also plenty of independent escorts without pimps. Hiring a prostitute who isn't being exploited will never be a bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:14 AM
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If the government is involved, that would just make the state her pimp. Why not just decriminalize it? Why do brothels need to be government-run?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:10 AM
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Since most women don't want to have paid sex with a possibly maladjusted stranger, they're drawn to prostitution by flexibility and and compensation higher than whatever other work they're qualified for. If the compensation is low, they're likely disadvantaged in some way: childhood abuse, mental illness, addiction, extreme poverty, or they're just trafficked. So these cheap government brothels would be staffed by the latter. Society's most vulnerable members should not be written off as walking…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:55 AM
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Legalizing prostitution already increases human trafficking because the supply of prostitutes isn't enough to keep up with the demand from men. Legalizing it and deliberately making it as cheap as possible would compound the problem even further. >State sponsored pleasure house would benefit both men who either don't want to improve or don't like to play the rat game The state doesn't benefit from men refusing to improve or participate in the rat race, so it won't happen. Unless both your arms a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:47 AM
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I think it's a good thing that people are free to leave a relationship that no longer works for them. But I think you're overestimating how widespread the phenomenon you're describing is. Most guys aren't Leo DiCaprio. They're not interested in divorcing their long-term partner because she got older, and the ones who are don't necessarily have that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:20 PM
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Every other form of fraud requires intent. There is no other form of fraud where the offender is automatically sentenced to twice the length of time the fraud went on. Why should paternity fraud be treated any different? Doctors have duty of care because they're licensed professionals who chose to enter the medical field. Regular people aren't held to the same standard. Just require DNA tests before child support is ordered. Nobody has to go to jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 01:40 PM
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Is it possible she was just horny? You don't necessarily have to be a seduction mastermind to have sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:27 PM
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So you went on a date with her hoping that she'd warm up to you or be different in person. Maybe she also hoped she'd warm up to you or you'd be different in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:17 PM
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Two possibilities: She found you attractive initially, but decided you were incompatible based on the date. She didn't find you attractive initially, but thought that could potentially change during a date, and it didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:05 PM
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I've been using the internet since I was 7 years old in 1999. Back in my day, we referred to people who posted ragebait as trolls, and it was understood that you shouldn't feed them. If somebody posted inflammatory shit like "men under 6 feet tall aren't men" the most engagement they'd get is people calling them a dick until a mod logged on and banned them. In current year, the same thing results in thousands of responses explaining why they're wrong, and somebody will make a video response call…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:11 PM
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Investing too much too early and allowing infatuation and hope to blind you to red flags or fundamental incompatibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:57 PM
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You could try a different feminist forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:34 PM
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Ok, let me know when you get sure. You could go to r/askFeminists or a similar site if you were genuinely interested, assuming you're asking in good faith. All I can tell you is that Mexico isn't exactly known for its "female privilege." My personal stance is that both sexes should have the same retirement age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:42 PM
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Yes, you were right on it all along, I give up on draft, it's a lost case. I respect that you're able to change your stance based on new information. What is Mexican feminist stance about Mexican women retirement age being 5 years below men's? I'm not sure, you'd have to ask a Mexican feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:20 PM
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I'm confused, can you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:48 PM
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What makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:40 PM
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Nobody was protesting "only men" having the draft duty. Because they are against the draft full stop. If they said, "It's not fair that ONLY MEN can be drafted," a possible response would be, "Okay, we'll draft women too, then." The point is to stop forced conscription, not oppress more people in the interest of fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:27 PM
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Germans were absolutely protesting the draft. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/6/thousands-protest-in-berlin-against-new-german-military-conscription-bill
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:14 PM
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I am completely against cold approaches from strangers. They don't know anything about me except what I look like and at most have a vague idea of my interests or lifestyle. I wouldn't be comfortable learning more about them knowing that the pressure was on to connect romantically. I have only ever dated men who were already in our mutual social circle because I could get to know them organically on neutral ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:34 PM
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Still not the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:25 PM
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That's 7% of women versus 10% of men, not the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:58 PM
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Apparently not since this guy is now thinking of leaving the country to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:56 PM
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I'm not sure how anyone got "demolished" here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:21 PM
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I've seen this study. It defined "single" as not in a committed relationship - they could still be actively dating or having sex. The same researcher did another study where the percentage of men and women who were sexually active was about the same. There's usually an age gap of a few years between men and women with the man typically being older, so that could account for some of the disparity, along with the tendency for younger men to be more interested in casual sex and to have different st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:19 PM
2

What percentage of men are single versus women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:38 PM
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From the OK Cupid study (which isn't online anymore, but this bit was quoted by many other sites): "Our chart shows how men have rated women, on a scale from 0 to 5. The curve is symmetric and surprisingly charitable: a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” The chart looks normalized, even though it’s just the unfiltered opinions of our male users. When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:36 PM
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Yeah I never got that logic. Saying "I want to be your boyfriend" to women who weren't interested in the first place is not a cheat code for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:31 PM
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Most of the people I know are average and in relationships with other average people, so I don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:28 PM
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What do they think the problem is that isn't the case overseas?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:19 PM
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It's just hooker lingo, like how guys in the military call the guys who fuck their girlfriends Jody or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:48 PM
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Lol sorry - I used to be an actual prostitute and civilians or "civvies" was what we called people who weren't prostitutes. I forgot it's not common lingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:23 PM
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This just sounds like a way to facilitate prostitution. That's not a sly joke, that is how the app will be used. The $400 isn't for sex, it's so she can prepare for the date (but it's implicit that sex will occur). If a civilian woman went on a date thinking otherwise, she'd likely be raped by a customer angry that he wasn't getting any bang for his buck, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:04 PM
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The women on here saying objectification is wrong are not necessarily the same people making offensive comments on Instagram. >And since that’s the case I’m gonna treat women how I think they should be treated and I want to encourage men to the same You were going to do that anyway, this is just your flimsy justification. But like I said, you're just another voice in the crowd. Women are sexualized, objectified, and have our rights questioned every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 06:26 PM
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In your original post, you said objectification rubs you off the wrong way. Now you're saying it's "okay." Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:35 PM
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>Then I see a video like and I’m wondering why women are supporting this behavior. So if women are gonna objectify men for their utility can I openly objectify women for their uses. Plenty of men objectify women already, so what's more voice in the crowd? Alternatively, you could avoid this behavior instead of perpetuating it as revenge against all womankind for some comments on Instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:07 PM
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>Men like the sandwich girl because she is engaged in softcore porn for her audience not because she is doing feminine activities. It's both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:57 PM
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If members of the opposite sex being inflammatory online could change the way I treat them in the real world, I would be in favor of putting men on trains. You're acting like there are no examples of women engaging in traditionally feminine and submissive behavior and having it lauded as "goals" by men. There's a woman on Instagram whose whole shtick is making sandwiches in low-cut tops. Some men like this a lot. Maybe the women you're talking about saw those comments and said, "Well, if THEY ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:55 PM
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Most men in relationships don't do acrobatics either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:34 PM
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Women aren't a resource that society can distribute based on fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:47 PM
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There's a middle ground between unemployed and astronaut. Average men are capable of being in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:29 AM
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Women are attracted to personality. They're also attracted to appearance and success. I don't think there's a contradiction. Why would a woman date a NEET she isn't attracted to if she has other options? Your whole premise seems to be your bafflement over the fact that some men will fuck unemployed loser women, while women as a whole won't date unemployed loser men. But your solution to this inequality is that women lower their standards. Why can't men raise theirs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 06:30 AM
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They're rare because they're extraordinary, and only extraordinary people are recognizable enough to be used as an example anyone will understand. I could tell you my dad, a more average person, is a role model, except you don't know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:56 PM
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They're role models specifically because they're extraordinary and something to aspire to. It's also not their wealth or fame that's emphasized - I don't think a lot of people are telling men they're worthless if they're not wealthy or famous, they're suggesting those people/characters have qualities worth emulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:39 PM
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Men can do sex work too. Just learn your niche and you too can have lonely guys subsidize your lifestyle!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:10 PM
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Never heard of "Timati" and presumably the Leo you're talking about is one of the most successful actors of all time and not really a great example of the average experience. Go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:51 AM
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Money does matter in the sense that I want a partner who is financially stable enough to support themselves and treat me sometimes (just as I would treat them). But it doesn't replace true attraction or love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:53 PM
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You're right that rejection is unpleasant, but if women were in the position that men are where they're socialized to pursue and have a higher drive to seek out relationships in the first place, I don't think women as a whole would avoid it. I don't approach men because I've never been attracted to a man who didn't approach me first. I play a certain role in my relationships and my partner plays his. And as other replies mentioned, I've never gone dateless because I did not approach men. I also …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:37 AM
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Sugar relationships and gold-digging are already considered a form of sex work. It's basically a subscription model of paying for sex, and the involved parties usually understand that it's transactional. Neither party would be there if the other wasn't following through on their promise. It's a business relationship. The rest you're describing are not explicitly or implicitly exchanges of sex for financial gain. It's a reductive view of relationships. A lot of people can't afford a partner who i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:39 PM
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I can't imagine a man with that much going for him not having a few women express interest. I'd think that if he actually wants a relationship with a woman, being unable to flirt or approach would need to be addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:28 AM
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Nobody is obligated to pay, but the fact that many men are willing to take on the burden of courting, planning dates, and paying for them means other men have to compete with them, and accept that they might fall behind in the race if they're not willing to do the same thing. Dating isn't supposed to be 100% equitable, not can it be, because men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:35 PM
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Why would they have less of a reason to stick around?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:32 PM
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Men are already interested in women without financial gain or security being a motivating factor. They wouldn't suddenly became unfeeling gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:15 PM
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You're catastophizing what happens in the event of a divorce. Divorce means you split half the marital assets. You don't lose a home you bought with your own money before that. Most divorced men do not automatically become pariahs or have false DV accusations leveled against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:50 PM
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That meme is ancient by internet standards, so congratulations on reviving it so you could be the 1 millionth guy to post about how dumb women are for not realizing that bears are dangerous. It's hyperbole. As someone who was actually raped in the woods by a stranger, I do sometimes think about how going to the police would have been smoother if I was attacked by a bear, since they probably wouldn't be asking me if I took psychiatric medication or how much I'd been drinking, and nobody would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:33 PM
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Yes, attraction is very personal and cannot be negotiated with. If somebody told me, "I'm not attracted to Group Y because they are all stinky, low IQ criminals with AIDS" I might object to that on a factual level, but I still couldn't argue with them not being attracted to Group Y.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:21 PM
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Guys who whine about the "double standard" of women not taking the initiative are mad because they imagine their looksmatch is out there waiting for them, she's just being prevented from approaching him by her arbitrary adherence to that particular gender norm. But the reality is, it would never occur to a lot of women to do so. They're not motivated to do so, which doesn't mean there's anything wrong with men - just that we don't experience attraction in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:02 PM
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Where did you get this statistic? Everything I've seen indicates both married men and women have longer life expectancies than their unmarried counterparts, but correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:23 PM
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Whether I think it's patriarchal or not is irrelevant. I think women should feel free to approach but they might not exercise that right. The same way feminism is still valid if 90% of plumbers are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:27 PM
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What are you suggesting? Do you want government programs to promote women asking men out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:40 AM
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Getting a little off-topic, aren't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 11:52 PM
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How does this concern equality at all? Both sexes are free to approach or not approach. You don't have any less freedom than a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 04:12 PM
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>I'm more talking about equal results after equal effort. That's why it's reasonable to be annoyed when someone doesn't do even half as much as you do, but gets the same or better results. It's a fundamental thing. I think this is the crux of the issue. Romantic relationships aren't beholden to the concept of fairness, nor should they be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 04:12 AM
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What does this have to do with women approaching or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:22 PM
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You could probably say that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:20 PM
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What could I have done about conscription that you've done yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:49 PM
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Actually I agree with you. I take reports of women doing the bulk of housework with a grain of salt because I think men and women just have different standards for home maintenance and cleanliness. If one of you wants everything in a labeled container, that person can't whine about how unfair it is that their partner doesn't immediately rise to that arbitrary standard. If they feel like they're carrying an unfair burden, they are free to end the relationship and find someone more compatible. Oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:46 PM
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You think conservative women are approaching men? If anything, liberal or nontraditional women are more likely to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:46 PM
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>Do you think rape is policed out and punished in rigid patriarchal societies? That's a big question. I think stereotypical violent stranger rapes are definitely punished very harshly, but a patriarchy men would naturally have more credibility with society in general when it came to acquaintance rapes and marital rapes would be condoned. >And no one is demanding women provide a service. But if you're going hold men to the standards of feminism and not yourself, then feminism will be taken less s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:45 PM
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So why are you insisting that I personally do something about men being conscripted?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:39 PM
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I've noticed it's a bell curve. Incels at one end and chads on the other resent women, while normies in the middle have healthier relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:14 PM
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That's clickbait
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:13 PM
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Actually yeah, I think I have noticed older men being bitter that their deadbeat situationships didn't give them flowers for Valentine's Day and shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:12 PM
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>So, men are right here and really expose the hypocrisy of these feminists in their unwillingness to adopt not only the "pleasant" male gender roles, but also the less pleasant ones. Feminism is about liberating women from sex-based oppression, not equality. It does not necessitate the dissolution of gender roles, so there's no hypocrisy. >So, once again, this is an attempt by some women to just get only rights without responsibilities, which is naturally perceived less positively by men. Why wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:11 PM
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Human males are already known to engage in rape and infanticide. Civilization polices it out of them, and punishes it when it does happen, because it's violent and destructive to society. There's also a difference between positive and negative rights - demanding that I should be left unmolested is a higher priority than you demanding women provide a service.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:00 PM
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>Then it’s not a need then. That's not the definition of need. >We just had a post on here saying men have no reason to be angry at women. There have been red and black pill subreddits that have been shutdown because women didn’t like what they said. Yet subreddits that hate on men are still up as I type this. It’s clear as day that women do indeed struggle realizing they don’t have that right. If you truly disagree, then you agree that those subreddits that got shutdown need to come back up. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:52 PM
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That's not what I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:49 PM
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How would you correlate a lack of relationship satisfaction to waiting for men to initiate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:45 PM
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What exactly DO you do for women issues? If you're against female genital mutilation, why does it still exist in Africa?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:15 PM
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Unrelated to topic, I love your name. I was super into Bionicle as a kid but there were barely any other girls who liked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:13 PM
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I don't think women "should" do anything when it comes to approaching versus waiting to be approached. People are going to do what they want and what benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:57 PM
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A lot of things are a need, but if action on someone else's part is required to fulfill it, you are not entitled to it. You can feel any way you like about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:56 PM
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That's not a double standard, it's a cruel fact of nature. I'm not sure what you expect me to do, tell male lions they should stop doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:55 PM
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All the feminists I know are against the draft and conscription. We just can't fix every societal ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:53 PM
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Maybe in person, not on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:51 PM
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I think the idea that women are complaining about men not approaching is an overblown TikTok thing. Men still approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:32 PM
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Companionship is a need, and I don't think being unable to secure companionship means you don't deserve it, but deserving it doesn't mean you'll get it. A woman has to make the choice to be with you for that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:31 PM
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I'm against forcible conscription of Ukrainian men, but as an American feminist, I don't think Zelenskyy is really going to listen if I complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:29 PM
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I've seen women express romantic entitlement but I think it's way more common for men to do so, for the same reason men are usually more aggressive about approaching. Men are just more motivated to want a woman than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:26 PM
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I think both men and women would be happier if both approached relationships in earnest rather than playing mind games. If you're going to date and maybe marry someone, you're supposed to be allies, not rivals afraid of ceding ground. At the same time, I agree that men are just naturally wired to pursue more, and anyone who doesn't will be left in the dust regardless of how unfair they think it is. Is it a double standard that male birds impress females with beautiful plumage? Do female birds ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:25 PM
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"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. If I can get dates by waiting for men to approach me, I'll still get dates regardless of whether it's fair that a man had to put in work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:19 PM
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Men have their own version of this. Young guys talk about dating "crazy girls" who are good in bed and they definitely prioritize sexual adventurousness and a glamorous appearance. As they age, they're more likely to value shared interests and traits like stability and responsibility that will translate better to a marriage and raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:53 PM
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Most of the women I know think men have it easier in some ways and harder in others. The ones who do genuinely think men have it easier say they'd trade places with men, because they're typically self-sufficient and might even provide for others, such as their children or even deadbeat husbands and boyfriends. I don't know any housewives who think men have easier lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:53 PM
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