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No, it's just one raccoon in a trenchcoat wondering where his friends went.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 05:45 PM
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This sub: it's all 100% looks Also this sub: looks don't matter, treat women like shit, it's all personality Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:33 PM
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18/19 is still really young for most people. It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, straight or gay, I think older people deliberately going after 18/19 year olds is about finding someone to control, which is why we feel protective over young adults dating older people. I do think once someone hits their early 20's they're usually in a better place to make wise and safe relationship decisions. Past 22-25 I don't think age gaps matter. The root issue of the age gap relationship isn't really …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:57 PM
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Depends on your metric. From a rights standpoint yes. Which of your rights are you willing to sacrifice for...anything? But not from a personal one. The delusion is that women think they can get a better man. I don't see the issue with people not wanting to settle. They no longer work for their husband but submit to their corporate boss. Just like men. And just like men this gives them financial freedom. Their husband now earns less because of their own competition. Their husband earns less beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:46 AM
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Your anecdotal experience is not a fact. That being said, I can't comment on what's going on with you personally and your life because I don't know you or what you are dealing with, but it sounds like it's more than just a lack of social skills. When it comes to therapy a bad therapist is worse than no therapist. You may have had bad luck with providers, you may be neurodivergent, you may be mentally ill, you may not be taking care of your health which has a huge impact on mental health, and/or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:22 AM
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That's not my opinion. Factually speaking, social skills can be learned at any age, like languages. And like languages you aren't going to learn them through osmosis past a certain age. You have to go to therapy, develop good self awareness, then work either with a professional or study social skills on your own, then go out and practice them. It's very hard work, but 100% do-able. Hanging around in social situations isn't learning social skills. You have to "study," practice, and work hard. I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:14 AM
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You gotta be a multi-millionaire for money alone to get you a partner. Double the average isn't enough to attract the women looking to marry for money. That being said, social skills are skills and can be learned at any stage in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:48 AM
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he would have a non-slutty woman for a relationship. And then women got equal rights and careers no longer needing to depend on men. Which is good right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:45 AM
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Everyone is telling you its misleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:43 AM
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good job Nature To be fair it's not nature's fault. If we were living as nature intended, hunter gatherer tribes, this would likely be a lot less of an issue. Whatever men didn't die in wars would get the ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:58 PM
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Then you already looked better than them to begin with so your attractiveness doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:41 AM
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You can still look better than people even if everyone loses weight. A lot of people have been fat for decades and Sure, you'd look better, but not relative to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:26 AM
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The post is about everyone losing weight. Weight loss won't solve dating problems if everyone does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:02 AM
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Not if everyone loses weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 07:50 PM
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Elementary education is childcare combined with teaching the next generation of humans. It's extremely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 05:48 PM
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A lot of men and women play these games in relationships and don't go to therapy. That's bad and they should. All I know is that there is a reason men don't like sharing feelings with women in general. I'm not saying every woman is like that, but there are enough that men are holding back. Also, follow what woman do and not what they say. That's why you date until you find an emotionally mature woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:29 PM
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the wife might say "well I had a rough day too so you just have to deal with it" Then she's being shitty. Part of life is being able to identify when you're being shitty or when someone else is being shitty. If that's how your wife treats you (dismisses your feelings), then that's a huge thing to work on or a valid reason to leave the marriage. At some point you gotta stop saying "women this women that" (same for men) and judge each person individually. Some people can be loving and supportive w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:37 AM
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Casually dating doesn't make someone a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:12 AM
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The handsome guy can be a good person or a bad person, like the average guy. I'd give the lemon slice to the handsome guy that's a good person or be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 07:21 PM
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Taking a relationship seriously doesn't make someone a good person or a good partner. Desperation does not make someone a good partner or a good person. Someone can be both desperate, ugly, and shitty and/or abusive and/or un-empathetic, and/or a lazy, low effort husband/father, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 06:29 PM
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The resources most older men have :55k a year job, mostly paid off truck, couch with two stains.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:32 PM
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I would argue that "average looking man" and "good man" are not the same things. Average looking men are not better people than good looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:48 AM
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If people are inspired to be more noble and honorable because of LOTR, awesome. LOTR is a far better source of inspiration for that than actual pre-industrial society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:26 PM
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But...it isn't false Well as you've admitted you don't actually know and continue to refuse to share even one of the books you've claimed to have read.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:19 PM
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Idk, I read a lot of books. It takes a few days to read a book, and you aways learn something interesting. I don't see a problem with that. I've read books suggested by people on this sub and learned some stuff. There was a whole thread about book on here a few months back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:28 PM
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And that's ok. No one is perfect. But we should all strive to grow, learn and better ourselves, and a great way to do that is to look at our beliefs and ask ourselves "how do I know this is true?" Really look at the facts and evidence. This applies to politics, religion, health, medicine, culture, everything. I think it's a sign of strength when someone can remain open minded and open to changing or adjusting their beliefs when they come across new evidence that challenges those beliefs. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:26 PM
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I'm 100% sure you can't name a title because you haven't read anything and you're getting your opinions of the past from the lord of the rings. If you name a title I'll read it, in which case yes, it does make it evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:12 PM
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So you can't name a single title that you've read that supports your claim. I was hoping you had something to back yourself up. I'm always up for learning something new and changing my mind, but looks like there's nothing here. I hope in the future you take a facts and evidence first approach when structuring your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:01 PM
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The Trecherous World of the 16th Century, Federer. Life in a Medieval Village, Geis. The Slave Trade, Thomas Ok. Go ahead. What have you read that supports your claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:54 PM
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The answer would be literally every single book or commentary having anything to do with the social dynamics common to that era. Name one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:41 PM
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what we read and learn of the past What have you read that shows that honor and nobility were "more important to men than having a young trophy wife/men had greater concerns than petty sexual whims being fulfilled"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:05 PM
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Plenty will choose an average guy who isn't too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:20 AM
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"In the past, qualities like honor, nobility, and social/familial stability were more important to men than having a new young trophy wife. Men also had far greater concerns than making sure their petty sexual whims were being fulfilled." Prove these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 01:59 AM
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I think the average woman wants either a good looking guy that's loving and caring or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 01:58 AM
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Resorting to insults instead of proving your claim usually means you have no proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 11:46 PM
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The oppression included men, ya soup can. This isn't 'feminism," it's history. Do you have any proof that society used to be more noble or honorable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 11:07 PM
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Oh! I see your confusion now. You thought that the mere acknowledgement that honor, nobility and caring about social/familial stability are good qualities worth preserving is analogous to believing the the social framework of the time, as a complete package, was morally robust. My apologies, it never for the life of me occured that you were that far off in left field. I know I said I was done commenting, but now that I see how confused you are, and why, I figured I'd help you out: Appreciating c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 09:53 PM
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Lies. You: "I wasn't commenting on its moral robustness" Also you: "In the past, qualities like honor, nobility, and social/familial stability were more important to men than having a new young trophy wife. Men also had far greater concerns than making sure their petty sexual whims were being fulfilled. The fact that many men have devolved into narcissistic hedonism in the modern era, making sexual conquest their primary objective in life, is not a win in my book. It's simply sad." So...yes. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:46 PM
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I never said anywhere that oppression wasn't part of the glue Glad you finally admit you agree with me :) It's not a red herring. It's not a strawman. I was pointing out that "the glue" you refer to is oppression since you didn't explicitly say in your original comment that "oppression is what allowed for traditional relationships." The fact that oppression was part of "the glue" is extremely relevant. Lamenting the societal structures of the past, which is what you do in your original comment, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:27 PM
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Maybe if you actually said what "the glue" is...but you won't. Cause the glue has always been oppression. You can try and prove me wrong tho....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 06:40 PM
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Loving & Caring person. Because hot and confident people are no more or less loving and caring than not hot and confident people :). It's less important because every "group" has it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:35 PM
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So I was right. As always, ya'll wanna take away women's rights. Men's too. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 11:10 AM
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socio-economic conditions of pre-industrial agrarian society So feudalism? That's your glue? Oof. Or are we going as far back as warring tribes, because then we're back at raping and pillaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:48 AM
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That's not an answer to my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:02 AM
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You keep saying glue without saying what the glue is. So what's the glue? What practices from this "specific agrarian society" are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:57 AM
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It's not a strawman if that's literally what it was
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:16 AM
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The glue: Either stripping away women's rights or living in the forest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:28 AM
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The traditional family of old was bolstered by a traditionalist social framework The social framework: Women aren't allowed to work, underpaid for their work, not allowed to be educated, discriminated against at work, pressured into having children and marriage, pressured into staying in bad and/or abusive marriages. Men are forced to stay in bad marriages, forced to work and never see their kids, forced to die in war or die of cancer from the coal mine. I think you should crack open a history b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 10:29 PM
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Yes. The pressure is very much there. I try not to give into it though, but it can be hard when you really like someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 03:20 AM
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Men aren't expected to work either then. They're also expected to bring value too. If he's unemployed with 100 mill in the bank no women will refuse to date him b/c he doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 03:17 AM
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Yes so that distorts their self image. They literally put on some face paint and go "yep I'm hotter now and deserve to be with men out of my league" Nah man. They know they aren't actually naturally hotter. Their self image is the same....the guy's image of them is what changed. Makeup changes how other people see you not how you see you. Also I don't think it's a matter of "I deserve x man." Women that talk like that are shitty do it regardless of makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:26 AM
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Sure it is. Because they can attract a prettier man when they wear makeup. That's realistic. It wouldn't be realistic if it didn't work. Luckily men know women wear makeup, so they're in on it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:56 AM
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​ I'm not going to dig around the internet for a link you'll ignore like you ignore all my points. No I won't. If you can provide me with evidence I will admit defeat. You realize we can just have a conversation of opinions right? All of this "prove it" nonsense (which you refuse to do for your points) about things which are inherently opinion based is nonsense. I didn't refuse to do it. My proof is that women aren't behind men in self improvement. I think thats common knowledge, but I can put u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:47 AM
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I don't have to prove could dude lmfao could is just there's a possibility. If you're saying it's impossible prove that. I'm not making an affirmative claim. Just saying it's possible. Alright. At least you can admit you have no proof or evidence that this is a real problem created by makeup. And given that men are not ahead of women in self improvement, I'd have to say that you are wrong about that. I've addressed this in the previous argument. Things that don't build character and distort the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:17 AM
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-"makeup prevents you from wanting to improve yourself." Nope i said it COULD because it gives a false sense of improvement. Do you understand COULD vs DOES? Prove it. Wrong again. What I did say was that using the easy route vs the harder route builds character. Builds integrity. And you ain't gonna find character and integrity in the cosmetic aisle. That's ok. Lots of things we do don't build character. Not every single thing we do has to build character. Makeup takes 10 minutes out of our day…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:57 PM
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You haven't. You've made two major claims: -"makeup prevents you from wanting to improve yourself." There's nothing in your comments proving makeup has a negative impact on self improvement. This unproven claim is the only evidence you have given for your argument. Women are right up there with men when it comes to rates of self-improvement. Therapy, fitness, career, education. You have no proof that makeup has a negative effect on self improvement. -Your second point is makeup is not a natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:47 PM
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No i didn't, see above. Never once did I say it was impossible to use make up AND self improve. What I did say is make up has the potential to make you feel as though you've improved artificially which, on top of being unhealthy, can lead to you not wanting to pursue other avenues of self improvement. Do you have any proof of the claim that "wearing makeup can lead to not wanting to pursue other avenues of self improvement?" No it isn't. How you like to present yourself and who you actually are,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:17 PM
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When you pet a dog you feel good. You didn't earn that. That means it's empty and meaningless to pet dogs. Do you see why that doesn't work? ​ It creates a dopamine boost that is entirely unearned. It creates a false sense of self improvement. Instead of hitting the gym or developing some skill you can be proud of, you slap some make up on your face, self improvement done! You can buy self improvement in the make up aisle! No self improvement necessary! It's not an either or. Most people that hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 08:27 PM
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It is addictive because it gives you a dopamine boost with zero actual effort. So does eating a cookie or looking at a sunset or petting a dog. Lots of things create a dopamine response and aren't addictive. That's not how addiction works. It takes more integrity to live within your station and get ahead in life not based on your looks but your actual skill and merit. Not taking shortcuts creates integrity. Doing things the hard way creates integrity. Makeup doesn't preclude people from working …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:39 PM
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I understand that you personally see makeup as inauthentic. What I fail to see is how wearing makeup is in any way connected to integrity? Can you explain why wearing makeup means someone doesn't have integrity? Your heroin analogy is a terrible analogy. Heroin destroys people's lives. Makeup does not do that. It's also not addictive. I mean sure, anything can be addictive, cleaning, exercise, adopting cats....but that's due to mental illness. Drugs are inherently addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:24 PM
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It's not hard to not wear makeup. It's the opposite. Makeup takes effort. And the reward is being treated better. There is no reward for looking worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:39 PM
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It takes 5 minutes to put on some makeup and have the world treat you better. Well worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:09 AM
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Ok, I get what you're saying. Hair, jewelry, and clothing is fine, but adding color to your face isn't authentic. So hiding bad facial features with hair or bad body features with clothes is authentic. Or removing hair, like a man/woman shaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:47 PM
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Well makeup doesn't add features.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:37 PM
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Unrecognizable is a bit of an exaggeration, but I'm not unrecognizable with a bit of blush and mascara vs no makeup either. Makeup can be (and often is) very subtle. So where do you draw the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:17 PM
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So I look very different with my hair clean and down, vs up and dirty. Men look very different with a nice haircut vs dirty long hair and untamed beard. I don't think looking "different" means you're representing yourself dishonestly. A good outfit and nice hair with no makeup can make me look unrecognizable compared to old sweats, a bad haircut, and dirty hair and still no makeup. So, where do you draw the line and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:11 PM
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As long as no one knows you've got it on, you're gonna be perceived as good looking. Looking your best and looking your most authentic aren't always the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:02 PM
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Like wearing their skin on your face?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:37 PM
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You can both artificially look good and treat your mind well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:36 PM
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The question I'm replying to was why do women do it. To look their best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:35 PM
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It's not a "system" it's biology. We're biologically inclined to like prettier people and treat them better, and I'm happy to take whatever steps I can to be treated better by the world. That being said, no one is forced to try and look pretty, and plenty of women don't wear makeup and are perfectly happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:28 PM
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That's not the point. The point is everyone wants to look their best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:25 PM
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Why do you feel the need to show a fake enhanced version of yourself near an attractive man? Same reason men with weak chins get beards and bald men have hats in all their photos. We're all trying to attract the best we can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:13 PM
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Most women wear makeup to look prettier for other people. Not just for men, but for everyone. The world treats you better when you look prettier (men, women, children, your own family). Sure, some women do it for just themselves or to be artistic, and sure, for some it's necessary for work..but the vast vast majority of women do it to be pretty. Any woman that denies this is not being truthful, and I'm not sure why. It's not a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:09 PM
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Then that's a problem with Spain's law rather than evidence that women are less capable than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:48 PM
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Men have health issues too. Health problems aren't a woman-only issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:54 AM
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I said long time. 50 years is a long time to me. If you think 50 years isn't long, that is your prerogative. But it's silly to attack "my long time", because you don't agree with it. It's not an attack. The reason the amount of time matter is because there are people alive today that grew up in a culture where women were either not allowed in positions of power or discouraged from it. This currently effect society, men and women today because there are people in positions of power right now that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 11:58 PM
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It's been a long time since anyone in the west has forcibly stopped a woman from holding power. No it hasn't. Women didn't really enter the corporate world till the late 70s-80s. There are people alive today born in a time when a woman couldn't hold many positions of power due to her gender. Men have held positions of power for thousands of years vs. less than a hundred for women. You can't deny that men have more testosterone. Or that testosterone influences aggression and having a drive. Only …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 11:24 PM
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Gender issues can and do exist regardless of economic system. Same with all the other issues. You can have a capitalist country that is sexist and one that isn't. You can have a communist commune and still have sexism, racism, etc. No economic system implemented in the real world, capitalist or not, will eliminate racism, sexism, bigotry, discrimination, etc. Blaming capitalism for all the world's problems is misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 10:59 PM
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There are more men in power because they are more aggressive, thanks to having more testosterone. Women were legally forbidden from holding positions of power in most countries for most of history. Now that they are not, notice how more and more women are coming into positions of power. There is nothing natural about men holding power when women have to be forcibly stopped from having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 08:42 PM
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Patriarchy only benefits wealthy and powerful men at the top. The average peasant men and women have both suffered due to patriarchal gender roles forced upon people. That being said, patriarchy is one piece of the pie. There is also capitalism, like you said, social class, race, religion, sexuality that all contribute to human suffering. People that define patriarchy as "all men have it easy" are misinformed. It just means at each level of the class hierarchy men hold power over women. Powerful…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 08:40 PM
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Or she got to know you and didn't like you any more. That does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 04:45 PM
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Perhaps she genuinely didn't like your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:24 AM
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This is true. Both men and women are vulnerable to controlling partners, especially younger men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:29 PM
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Sure there is. A person (man/woman) can be controlling and not dominant, or dominant and not controlling. Or both. Controlling means actively trying to control another person. Telling them what to wear, what to eat, who they can be friends with, weather they can see their family, demanding they not have boundaries regardless of what they want. If they don't comply the controlling person may threaten the relationship, decline intimacy, or degrade or even abuse their partner. Dominant usually mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:32 PM
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If you read romance novels, you'll notice that in the vast majority of romance novels the "asshole" characters are never actually assholes, but usually secretly good guys. In the books where the men are actually "assholes," they will usually change. The appeal isn't an asshole, the appeal is a good guy with a confident and tough exterior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:12 AM
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