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Thuren/r/becomeaman28/04/14 12:23 PM
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Punishment can take many forms, depending on the bad behavior and the society in which it takes place. Examples: Stealing in Sharia societies, they'll cut the hands off. Raping someone in 19:th century Sweden, the rapist would be beaten up or killed by the family of the victim. Cheating on your husband/wife in the 50:s, gossip and possibly excommunication from families/churches, exclusion from various social groups. No society is perfectly just though, there will always be a space for being the …
/r/becomeaman21/01/16 09:43 AM
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Alright, well obviously a discussion is always volontary, you don't have to accept anything someone says. But if you're constantly being "overpowered", you're either inexperienced or you're wrong. Thinking back to how these people force their opinions on you, do you see any flaws in their arguments? Try to express a counterargument in your head for every argument you weren't able to counter.
/r/becomeaman21/01/16 09:33 AM
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Is this in a crowd or face to face?
/r/becomeaman20/01/16 06:22 PM
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Slavoj Zizek put a perfect name on this phenomenon: The paradox of the super ego (*): the more you obey what the Other demands of you, the guiltier you are. This is why Israel is so heavily critized but Hamas isn't. Even though Hamas are clearly more guilty and evil, everyone knows they can't be expected to better themselves. This is also why assholes get away with their behavior, no one expects that they will behave better if they are told off. Also, as others have pointed out, there is usually…
/r/becomeaman20/01/16 06:17 PM
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Being smart and being intelligent are completely different things. There are lots of intelligent, but dumb people and it's better to be smart than to be intelligent. To be smart you have to be a bit courageous and confident in your thinking. If you know car salesmen are really good at manipulating, a smart person finds a way to mitigate that fact so that they can decide what's best for themselves. Like waiting a week before they buy big stuff. A dumb person would allow the salesmen to manipulate…
/r/becomeaman21/10/15 04:43 AM
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How old are you? Part of being young is experimenting, you can't know what your lifes goals are until you've discovered them. At the same time, be pragmatic, do things even without a plan, don't be a perfectionist. Perfectionism leads you nowhere. You can't force yourself to be passionate about things. And finally, don't do stuff because women will find it attractive.
/r/becomeaman15/10/14 06:06 AM
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That seems depressing. My father died at an early age so I can't compare to his life, but my mom has plently of friends she's had for tens of years. That's the kind of people I want around, but short term friends are welcome too of course :)
/r/becomeaman28/04/14 07:21 PM
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If you're the one who broke up with her, it makes sense in a cognitive dissonance way that she'll act like you weren't good enough. If she managed to convince herself of that, and she communicates the same idea to you, verbally (could even be lying about cheating?) and in less obvious ways, you'll pick it up and feed it to your lack of self reliability. Whatever the truth is, the only way is forward. If you feel you grew in three months, that's great, but three months is a really short time to c…
/r/seduction10/03/14 12:49 PM
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There are a lot of available women for every good friend you'll ever make.
/r/seduction04/03/14 06:52 AM
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Goatee? Some stubble? Even a partial beard will help a lot. Lowering your body fat will make you look more masculine in your face. Whatever you do, don't become that ridiculous short and cocky guy, lots of short guys try to compensate for their shortness and it's never impressive.
/r/seduction04/03/14 06:48 AM
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So... anyone who practices martial arts where choke holds are used, where someone accidently hold on too long, should be charged? I could personally charge someone if these laws where consistent.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 02:21 PM
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Easy, most people are hypocrites in one way or another, no one is perfect. People who believe they are victims (feminists) or people who believe they are superior (like some religious people) are very good at this. Btw, I found this one weird place for men to hang out at, women HATE it.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 12:11 PM
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It's great, and necessary, for two reasons. It's good to get a feminine perspective on our issues, getting some constructive criticism etc. When women understand mens gender issues, they can discuss it with other women in a way that men can't. If a man mentions that some rape accusations are false, most of the time, he'll be branded a rapist or rape-culture-supporter. This won't happen if a woman mentions it. Essentially, it brings understanding of one sex's problem onto another. I think feminis…
/r/MensRights17/07/13 05:49 AM
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I think there is in fact a lot of sexual abuse where the perpetrator is either unaware of them doing something wrong, or where they feel it's a grey area. Sometimes, for example when the victim is too drunk, this is rape. Social moral pressure is the basis of society, the better we are at shunning the wrong doers, the.better our societies. Sometimes it feel like some mras here disagree with feminists on principle, regardless of the argument.
/r/MensRights25/04/13 06:05 AM
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I think the common ground is larger than the separate grounds. If you ignore the extremists on both sides, you'll find that there are some disagreement left, but nothing very serious, nothing that can't work out with some open minded discussions between parties. The reason why there seems to be quite a lot of hate towards feminism here is that feminism as a group don't see mens problems, because they are typically not men, not exactly surprising! Feminism thus jumps to the conclusion that since …
/r/MensRights20/12/12 09:19 AM
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If this had happened in Sweden, it would have been completely lawful. When two civilized countries differ so absurdly, you KNOW there is something really weird going on. How come the guy wasn't a victim in this case, assuming 18 is the age of consent?
/r/MensRights17/12/12 01:22 PM
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if sex was only about pleasure, it would be boring, like getting a massage. Sex is what it is because we give up something for our partner. In short, I want my sex to be toxic, something she accepts only because I am who I am.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 08:10 AM
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I think you're right, it would be more correct to say that the blank slate-premise can support such an argument, not that it must do so.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 01:57 PM
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I think this is an interesting point actually. I'm not sure if there is a theoretical connection between blank slate-ism and marxism, but there is definitely a demographical one, people who are left/marxists tend to have a view of the mind as a blank slate. From this view, it's easy to see all differences as oppression, stereotypes and other forms of unjust influence. If women and men are equal, save for their physical organs, it must be unfair that men make more money, regardless of how they go…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 11:31 AM
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I don't think many women or homosexual men are very attracted to balls even if they are attached to a handsome man.
/r/MensRights12/12/12 08:07 AM
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Food is due to nurture? We are taught to like food? Not sure what you mean here, but what I meant is that the reason we eat at all is hunger, which is natural. What we eat, is more nurture, pizza is not natural. Well, I can think of quite a few ways to make some separation. Take gender neutral kinder gartens for example. Even if they can't be 100% neutral, we can still study the differences. How are the groups from neutral kinder gartens different from traditional ones? I think it's likely that …
/r/MensRights12/12/12 08:05 AM
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Because, generally speaking; those attracted to women like boobs in themselves, those attracted to men might like the balls attached to the man they like, but a sack of balls are otherwise not very attractive.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 11:56 AM
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Sure, we could have said "no" to the germans, had them invade us and secure the mining and shipping of iron ore, perhaps we could even have sabotaged the iron mines before the germans got their hands on it. That would have bound some german troops in Sweden, which would have taken the Soviet expansion into central Europe even further, enslaving millions more behind the iron curtain. Not saying that could have been a justification, only that the consequences were good. And I'm pretty sure the pri…
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:18 AM
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It's hard to separate them, but of course it's theoretically possible. Are we hungry because of nature or nurture? Do we feel like having cake for nature or nurture? In the first case, it's pure nature, in the second, there is an underlying craving for sweets which is nature, and a cultural factor in what we crave for.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:06 AM
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If you buy their theory, it's either true that they like things because they are tought to like them, by society, then it could make sense to avoid "teaching" them certain gender roles though advertising. Myself, I don't buy that to a large degree, but I think it has some effect.
/r/MensRights09/12/12 02:28 PM
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I just want to clear some things up, being a Swede. Few people outside the extreme left support Gudrun Schyman, since she left the left party and started a specific feminist party, she's essentially irrelevant politically. This also applies to the "man tax" and law against peeing standing. That would not happen in a million years, not even in Sweden. But as usual, the crazies get all the attention. The "hen" pronoun is not added to replace han/hon (him/her), but to complement it, if you are spea…
/r/MensRights08/12/12 11:38 PM
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Heterosexual sex between two fertile persons can always lead to pregnancy. Hence, if guys have a right not to be a father if the sex leads to a pregnancy, the girl must have an obligation to make an abortion. Not sure if the point was that men should have that right, I think this is a gray area and that both parts have responsibilities whenever they have sex. You can't assume sex is just sex.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 09:54 PM
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Thank you. Exactly, I might have missed something in the video, but if someone is to take the MRM seriously, we must stop polarizing by only considering the extremist and instead talk to the regular feminist and the regular person. Regular people have little respect for extremist feminists, and I'm from "the saudi arabia of feminism" so it can't get much worse than here...
/r/MensRights06/12/12 07:33 AM
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Strange, I've never heard a feminist claim all men are rapists. Focus on the real struggle, don't fight easy imaginary ones.
/r/MensRights05/12/12 04:08 PM
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Please don't let MRM be like this. I have a lot of sympathy with feminists who feel disgust when they see something like this, and want to distance the word "feminism" from it. We have to be careful when judging groups. We should judge bad people and bad ideas, not groups consisting of all sorts of people.
/r/MensRights05/12/12 04:04 PM
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Not sure what you refer to, but I'll cover both bases: Assault is worse because men are usually much stronger and capable of doing more harm. Rape. I think there are many factors to the harm done through a rape, I'm not a psychologist or a victim so I can't elaborate on all of them, but I'd say that most of them are shared by the sexes, but males are not subject to the "slut shaming" attitude held towards some female rape victims in the same way. I'm not a big fan of the "who's best at complaini…
/r/MensRights07/11/12 09:05 AM
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I very much sympathize with the mens rights movement, but I think there is a point to this, it will on average be worse for a girl to be raped, just like it's probably somewhat worse for a girl to be assaulted by a man than the other way around. The principle is what's important here, not the numbers. You should not use force except in self defence or in defence of property. That means you can't hit other people and that you can't rape them. Who fares worse is irrelevant, you can't hit tough peo…
/r/MensRights06/11/12 12:09 PM
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One injustice (compulsary military service) doesn't compete with another (girls being expected to be healers (wtf?!))
/r/MensRights27/10/12 09:30 PM
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First, I agree completely that the good fight is the fight for fairness, no matter your gender or sex. But feminism has a problem, feminism is based on the idea that women as a group is subjugated by men as a group, and while it may be true that women in general are worse off in some areas than men are. It's absolutely not true that women as a group are worse off. This thinking is typicall borderline conspiracy theory and I doubt that the "science" behind it is very good. In short, feminism is a…
/r/MensRights04/10/12 09:15 AM
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Being pro mens rights OR pro womens rights is as absurd to me as being pro peoples rights whose social security number is even. I want justice and opportunity for all. I'm pissed of when men are falsely accused of rape and pissed of when IKEA removes women from their catalogues in Saudi Arabia.
/r/MensRights01/10/12 05:33 PM
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It's not bullshit exactly because there is no freedom of speech here. So you do not necessarily have a right to offend, and I might have a right not to be offended.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 12:52 PM
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http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html The simple answer is: No. There is just a slight difference between wanting to shut down a subreddit promoting insane violence towards women and others, and wanting to shut down a (so far) peaceful subreddit. Shutting down beatingwomen is good for the same reason shutting down jailbait-subreddits is good.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 12:17 PM
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I agree with most of your points, but I didn't claim that feminist weren't often wrong, I claimed very few belong to the "get rid of the men completely"-group or have other extremist opinions. Most feminists are good people but are very ill-informed about MRA-issues, and many deny their importance at a first glance. It's up to us to inform them, because they are humans and thus unlikely to learn for themselves. Being from a country where people from some cultures are extremely over-represented i…
/r/MensRights17/09/12 08:08 AM
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Only extremist feminists would try to tie us to ABB, I think. We should let them try that as openly and as often as possible, it will only ridicule themselves. It's true however that it's "kind of hard" to be a MRA, exactly like it was hard being gay or (good) feminist 50 years ago. Why would this be easy?
/r/MensRights17/09/12 07:51 AM
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Not sure if I'd call myself a feminist, but this is actually a pretty tricky dilemma. Are all people who call themselves feminists responsible for each others statements? Clearly, that can not be the case, but it could be so in specific cases. Men are not responsible for some men raping women/men, for example. That all muslims aren't responsible for terrorist acts claimed to be motivated by Islam, is another example At the same time, there is often a need for individuals in groups to distance th…
/r/MensRights16/09/12 08:01 PM
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I'm: 1. A man. 2. By most definitions except the liberal/individualistic ones, not a feminist. 3. One person. You however, are an idiot, I don't need to know who's hiding behind that nickname, you're an idiot because instead of putting forward an argument, you try to ridicule me for something I don't even am, though something I would have no problem with being (a woman.) It frightens me that you actually got upvotes for that incredibly stupid comment, you are an enemy of the mens rights communit…
/r/MensRights14/09/12 11:39 AM
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I think you're wrong. They probably deleted it because they are sick of anti-feminists bringing them "look what this self proclaimed feminist said, clearly you are all evil since this one is, aren't you?" and similar nonsense.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 10:10 AM
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And what would that be?
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:47 AM
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Okay, but the reddit post was labeled "feminism", which I find very troublesome. True (and in practice; most) feminists are the allies of the male counterparts.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 01:37 PM
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Very few feminists would do something like this, and the vast majority would think it's evil. Stop labelling the idiots "feminists", it does nothing except take focus from constructive debate.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 07:01 AM
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Individual A claiming to belong to group G insults person B, person B thus hates group G, very logical. She was an ass, hitting you under the belt, that's it. Most hardcore feminists I've met had some strange ideas but were nice people, like most people are. The problems start when we confuse groups, ideas and individuals. In my ideal world, feminist and mensright:ists realize they are fighting for the same thing but from different sides. To get there, all we have to do is to have civil discussi…
/r/MensRights09/09/12 10:23 PM
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Women (and men) often express what they Want in a way that sounds like "what would be fair". Many women want men who are stoic but are sensitive and vulnerable to them. They want control over you but they don't want the pain receptors in your toe to have control over you. Similarly, many men (I'm not one of them) want women who are vulnerable to the world so that they can feel protective of them (again, control.) About the money issue, Sweden, where I'm from, seems to have gone further than the …
/r/MensRights22/05/12 03:29 PM
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Constantly making yourself a victim: You're Fucked | You're Fucked
/r/MensRights16/05/12 07:06 AM
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I will give it a try, opening up to my ex was one of the best feelings I've ever had, unfortunately it seemed to make her lose interest in me. The best would be if women could be a little more honest to themselves and us, if they actually want a stoic man, don't say you want a sensitive man just because that's politically correct today. I do know women I think are okay with sensitive men, my ex was one of them until until it turned out she wasn't, kind of ruins your hopes about women. Btw, becom…
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:16 AM
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Sounds like the freemasons, not sure what their take on mens rights are, or if it's discussed at all, but in most countries it's men only.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 08:43 PM
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Alright, I hope no women throw themselves in your arms then :P
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:48 PM
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You lost the wife but regained your self respect, I'd say that's an improvement. I hope you find a better woman!
/r/MensRights10/05/12 05:40 PM
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Reading this makes me a bit depressed. Are we men doomed to be sensitive but not being able to show it? My last relationship ended as soon as I started opening up, I'll be very careful about opening up the next time. Perhaps it's better to be open with good friends and never open up completely with women you have a romantic interest in? Male bonding has played a much greater role in other cultures historically. I think one of the problems here is that whenever you mention that women have it easi…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 12:58 PM
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Sure, one do get a bit defensive when arguing against the crowd, so I guess I lashed out a bit. But I still think your comment was a waste of bandwidth and generally increased the noise to signal ratio so to speak. If I wanted to say I wanted women in the kitchen, trust me, I would. I think the world would be a much better place if people always listened to exactly what the guy with the unpopular opinion said. Myself, I like cooking and cleaning.
/r/MensRights26/04/12 06:35 AM
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First, thanks for writing a serious counter-argument post. I wish more people would do this instead of down-voting opinions they don't like. I think we're discussing different things here, at least in part, I'm not for any legal differences between men and women. What I'm against is the idea that men and women should be considered equal or "just individuals" culturally. Men who are physically male but psychologically female, and other "exceptions" are just that, exceptions. The cultural norms an…
/r/MensRights24/04/12 06:44 AM
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What we Are determine our morals and values, and what we are is not completely individualistic and without any patterns. Most people belong to a distinct sex and are attracted to a distinct sex. That's why morality and expected behavior depends on sex. The rules of dating/courtship are different for men and for women because we are so distinctly different, men will always be the ones chasing the women, it will never ever be the other way around unless we manage to change ourselves biologically. …
/r/MensRights23/04/12 12:45 PM
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That's the most stupid argument I've ever seen on reddit. Now I usually don't call people stupid because most arguments deserve more than that, but in this case, going from "men and women are different" to "women should be in the kitchen" is so stupid that it can't be due to lacking intellect but due to laziness, which is so much worse.
/r/MensRights23/04/12 12:35 PM
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Women are not men and men are not women, so a difference in judgement is not necessarily a double standard. Also - stop whining! If a girl complains when you try to kiss her, ignore her. She didn't like you and no one likes to be kissed by someone you don't like. I thought this subreddit was about mens rights, not boys rights. Men get more freedom and responsibility than women and that's a double edged sword, both good and bad. Women should be treated more like men, not the other way around!
/r/MensRights23/04/12 06:40 AM
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I think there is another choice, at least I hope so. Instead of being a jerk (doing what you rightfully shouldn't), or being a wuss (not doing what you rightfully could), I try to hit the sweet spot in between; sticking to my moral code and never letting other people take advantage of me. This is not only moral and attractive to women but also it's the best way to live. I'll feel good about myself morally and I'll get to do anything I want as long as it according to my code. Balance is hard for …
/r/MensRights16/04/12 02:39 PM
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Women don't want the same things in men that men want in women, we are not equal, only sometimes similar. Sometimes. Also, the women who are the most extreme feminists aren't exactly the most feminine types, they are the manly women. Have there ever been a society where women weren't valued for their looks or where men weren't valued for their status/resources? I've always been sceptical to claims like these, history isn't linear and the future won't be either. We're either going to ruin our pla…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 07:40 AM
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Of course it's wrong to mutilate children. Are circumcised penises less sensitive? Seems like yet another case of sexually anorectic religion trying to push their perverse ideas onto people to me.
/r/MensRights16/02/12 10:50 AM
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