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The origins of monogamy, in its various forms, are debated. The evidence suggests it was clearly adaptive for the conditions it which it outcompeted other systems. There is no other mating paradigm that we have really seen work at scale. Some stuff in smaller tribes, maybe. I'd argue that in broad strokes the ideal of monogamy only really came about once humans exited the hunter gatherer lifestyle and invented agriculture, and with it the idea of property and inheritance rights - when surplus ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:23 PM
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I reread the comment thread and can't see whatever you think it is I'm clearly missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:31 PM
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Societies have to compete with one another, or fall behind and possibly be overrun. This is just reheated social Darwinism. Societies don’t collapse because they didn’t enforce monogamy hard enough, they collapse because of material conditions i.e. economic dysfunction, environmental collapse and political instability, not because Jemima from down the block had too many boyfriends. And 'competitiveness' in this context is so vague it’s meaningless. Competing in what? GDP? Birthrates? Eurovision?…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:51 PM
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Who said it was my only takeaway? I was just engaging with that commenter was saying, and doing him the kindness of assuming that he means what he says.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:26 PM
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'Competitive' to what end? What sphere are these different social arrangements competing in? 'Socially enforced lifelong monogamy' can barely stand on its own two feet as it is. Why else would divorce be made deliberately difficult in so many places if not to slow the tide of people trying to escape arrangements that clearly aren’t working?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:47 PM
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It’s hard to compare taking precautions against safety threats to a built-in, reflexive cynicism towards human connection. The latter seems like a technocratic, emotionally sterile way of carrying on in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:33 PM
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You're putting the cart before the horse. If 'excessive serial monogamy' causes problems it's largely because our institutions and cultural expectations are still set up to idealise lifelong monogamy as the only acceptable model. So maybe it's the model itself that needs updating, not the people inside it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:11 PM
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So women are incapable of genuine, lifelong commitment? What on earth are you basing this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:51 PM
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TRP itself is hyper-individualistic to the core.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:43 PM
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I'm convinced that men are more romantic. What is more romantic than lifelong commitment? And not just words, but actually following it through, unshakable from other people. Nothing. Is this exclusive to men..?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:41 PM
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I have a tip: whenever a redpiller tries to engage you with any of their talking points just take a step back and remember that their ideology only really makes sense in the context of late stage capitalism, which is hollowing out modern life and making it feel transactional and hostile. It it feels intuitive to people it's because our collective circumstances are fucked, not because it holds any kind of perennial truth. To illustrate what I mean, picture a pre-industrial or hunter-gatherer sett…
/r/ExRedPill25/04/25 01:36 PM
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You cannot invent something that already exist. You’re confusing independent development with chronological novelty. Companion planting - like language, music, or agriculture - can and has been invented multiple times in different places, in different forms, by people who had no contact with one another. Indigenous North Americans developed it independently, systematised it and passed it down generationally. That is invention. Your argument is like saying 'the Greeks didn’t invent math because n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:33 PM
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OP, yesterday it was a rambling post about how patriarchy is the superior mode of civilisation, today it's "women are horrible and men should all be MGTOW." Genuinely curious here - what would you say is the core of your frustration with women? I want to understand what exactly you think has gone wrong. Is it cultural norms? Dating expectations? Behavioural trends? All of the above? What’s the thing you think women are doing, or have done, that makes modern dating/relationships (if not society a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 09:53 AM
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companion planting was already knew in medieval europe. Doesn't change the fact that indigenous North American societies invented it independently and at scale. And for the record, Europeans knew how to companion plant and still managed to cause recurring famines that killed millions, so let’s not get too cocky, yeah? Exemplify Gladly. Quinine, curare, ayahuasca and lapacho to name a few. You mean slash and burn? Not quite. They used controlled, seasonal burning to shape ecosystems, stimulate pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 08:39 AM
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what great philosophers, achievements or new technologies have come from non patriarchal societies. Three Sisters agriculture. Traditional medicinal knowledge from the Amazon has had a big impact on pharmacology. Land and fire use techniques used by Indigenous Australians are reshaping modern ecological thinking. And if we zoom out a bit and look at politics and living arrangements there have been a great many non-patriarchal societies who lived in ecological harmony for millennia, developed sys…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:09 PM
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Tell us what the non patriarchal societies have contributed to humanity It would help if you elaborated on what you mean by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:51 PM
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Don't worry, as a young man in progressive spaces, I'm used to keeping my head down and accepting my place as a second-class citizen. It's not so bad once you get used to the powerlessness and disenfranchisement. I'm curious, what are these progressives forcing you to do (or not do) that you otherwise wouldn't? How are they making your life worse in any meaningful way?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:20 PM
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Greatness is indeed domination[...]. This is just 'might makes right' dressed up as civilisational theory. Domination isn't synonymous with greatness, it's a historical strategy for resource hoarding and power consolidation. Patriarchal empires built monuments and won wars but they also collapsed under the weight of their own violence, inequality and internal rot, killing millions and leaving untold devastation in their wake. There’s also a problem - if survival is the only metric of greatness, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:08 PM
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However, many subcultures are not "patriarchal"; particularly, in elite culture (which controls academia, art, and mainstream media), women are more powerful than men. You can’t have it both ways. If women are fundamentally incapable of leadership, as you more or less assert in your OP, then how did they manage to capture elite cultural institutions? Did all the rational, dominant men just sit back and vibe while the girlbosses infiltrated Harvard and NPR?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:34 PM
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Your argument hinges on a sleight of hand equating 'greatness' with domination. You point to patriarchal empires that built monuments and conquered territory and claim that this proves male supremacy, but all it really proves is that patriarchy is good at war, extraction and control. That doesn’t make them ideal, it just makes them functional within a violent paradigm. You know what else was 'functional'? Slavery, colonialism and child labour. If your definition of civilisational success is how …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:20 PM
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Those traditional benefits only made sense when embedded in a larger hierarchical system to begin with, i.e. one where men had control and women had very limited options. Sure, holding the door for someone is nice, but it's not a power move anymore. I'm not going to begrudge women for not wanting to be legally subservient bangmaids anymore just because some of them like a bit of chivalric fluff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:33 PM
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I went from plain average income to wealthy and there was zero change in my dating prospects. But you were still living under a primarily capitalist economic system, right? The argument isn't that shifts in an individual's economic prospects make dating easier or harder (although that certainly plays a part), it's that structural changes playing out over decades have had profound impacts on the dating landscape for large swathes of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 09:00 AM
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I think women achieving financial independence isn't a driver as much as the ripping off of one of the final bandaids holding back the tidal wave of systemic issues that have made dating more daunting and much less viable for so many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:48 PM
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100%. Same with dating apps turning romance into a hyper-individual, consumerist experience rather than something that develops organically. Combine that with the decline of third spaces forcing more and more people to seek out connections online and it's no surprise that dating for many people can be a very daunting, isolating experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:15 PM
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Much of your comment I agree with, except caplitalist alienation, which is a theory by Karl Marx. How did his workforce fair again? Marxism isn't a prophecy, it's a method for analysing historical and economic tendencies. If there's one thing that analysis describes pretty well it's the alienation people experience under capitalism. To give you a few examples; think of how dating apps turn romance into a hyper-individualised marketplace rather than something that occurs naturally and organically…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:08 PM
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The male loneliness epidemic is a product of capitalist alienation, neoliberal individualism and shifting gender dynamics. It's not because men aren't dark triad or 'alpha' enough, it's a direct result of changing economic and social structures that have been systematically isolating men and weakening traditional social bonds for decades. That said I agree that laying the blame on the men on the sharp end of these changes is typical just-world fallacy bullshit and I think the people doing this s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 12:14 PM
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We can however point the finger at Feminism’s stated goals for equality, but there being less men going to University’s than how great the gender imbalance was for women when Title IX was enacted in 1972, the Duluth model in the UK, etc. Whatever the reason fewer and fewer men are attending university I feel reasonably confident in saying it's not because there's a shrill cabal of women intent on keeping them out. As to the rest of your post, at the end of the day feminism is about dismantling s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 11:58 AM
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Most discussions around the dating recession focus on surface-level symptoms (e.g. Gen Z's lack of social skills, loneliness, excessive screen time etc.) rather than the deeper structural causes that are making dating and relationships more difficult to begin with. Stuff like economic instability and declining living standards, hyper-commodification of bodies and relationships (which the incel and 'looksmaxxing' movements are essentially a direct response to) and general alienation inflicted by …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 11:14 AM
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Just because women have more autonomy than 50 years ago doesn't mean they 'control' the landscape. We'd be better served by asking what structural issues are making dating more difficult (economic instability, work-life balance issues, commodification of relationships driven by dating apps) instead of pointing fingers at X gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:46 AM
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