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DiscussionThyNynax/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:30 PM
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Few things make it more clear than the silence/response to the news about education attendance and achievement. For decades the message taught was the absolutely urgent and fundamental need to balance out gender representation in higher education. Specifically, at the time, by getting more women into higher education. This was also part of why Affirmative Action absolutely had to exist. Then the news came out showing we did so well that the gender imbalance actually flipped! And what did to all …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 08:17 AM
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I mean, I just gave a simplified summary of the idea. I don't even think of it as "blame," just an explanation. It's certainly more complex than that and it clearly doesn't apply to all men, only a subset. But "men not existing in children's lives" is actually one of the primary aspects. Boys that this affects often have fathers that are not present, either due to work hours, divorce, abuse, or neglect. So their primary authority figure is Mom. Then at daycare or preschool 97% of teachers are wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:57 PM
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Well, it turned into a dating strategy because women raised boys to be that way. Mothers, Aunts, Teachers, etc, tell boys "if you like a girl, be nice to her." Leaving out a lot of important details about how attraction actually works. Then you had so much media portraying "deadbeat," useless, abusive, and uncaring husbands. Saying "no matter what, don't be that guy." A lot of men, me included, were literally raised to be agreeable, supportive, compassionate, Nice Guys. Raised to believe, by wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:24 PM
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It’s confusing because “nice” can either mean “genuinely kind and considerate” or it can mean “conflict avoidant and performative appeasement.” A man’s nice behavior can either be a choice of personal ethics or basically just a fawn response born out of fear of rejection, which means it can turn into a fight response when sufficiently stressed. A lot of women seem to be unable to tell the difference between either men, so they just avoid both of them. Internet discussion about Nice Guys eventual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 11:45 AM
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There is no shot that #2 happens so often as to make up for any significant amount of a 50% difference in relationship status. No way. That would constitute something akin to a mass psychosis in a difference of the perception of reality. I’d grant a difference in understanding of relationship status like to have something like a 2% impact on the data. And why even assume it’s only men that aren’t labeling a situationship as a relationship? The nice guy that thinks he’s in a relationship with a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:10 AM
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My experience, literally because I was a romantic sap that tried, is that over the top romance in real life is just “clingy.” Clingy, creepy, or otherwise problematic in so many ways. I’ve not known a woman who actually likes it unless they’ve already been married for years. I know that I used to enjoy writing love letters, buy flowers, waxing poetic, and just trying to make a girl feel special. Not even aiming for sex, just expressing love. Ya know, trying to be that loving guy all my female fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:23 PM
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I find that a huge part of opposition to women on the draft is because people are woefully ignorant of how a military functions. They imagine all those women immediately being sent to combat roles and dying horribly. What I imagine drafted women would really be doing is logistics, maintenance, and intelligence gathering. Essentially freeing up more men to do the actual fighting while women focus on driving trucks, managing communications, cooking, medical care, etc. Militaries are huge organizat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:53 PM
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Assuming a USA context, perception of the purpose of a draft is misunderstood because of its misuse in Vietnam. Everyone imagines the draft being used to go fight some far off war for some dumb political gain at the cost of son’s lives. But that’s not what the draft is for. The draft is for “shit has hit the fan and the entire country either goes to war or dies.” The draft is for World Wars where the Nazi’s might win if we don’t fight it, and come for us next. In some sense, maybe the draft isn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:45 PM
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Many women are the Nice Guys they hate. Just look at how standard it is for women to “drop hints” instead of being honest about interest. Look how how standard it is for women to “make herself available,” act friendly, do favors, etc. for a guy she’s interested in; without ever actually asking him out. Then get mad when a guy is “too dense” to notice her interest. A bit entitled, don’t you think? Almost like a guy being angry about rejection, after he treated her so nicely. I think it’s that sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:10 PM
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You say that’s a “mistake,” but I think that many men are straight up never taught what the difference actually looks like. Men‘s sexuality is shamed from all angles as objectifying and dangerous. Any unwanted expression of sexual desire is labeled “creepy,” as in “literally the threat of rape.” In all forms of romance media, that isn’t porn, I can think of, there’s never a focus on a man’s sexual desire. They make him desire a woman as a love interest, a potential girlfriend, someone he wants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:42 PM
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It's not really (or shouldn't be) about sexual pleasure at all, really just more compatibility issues: I've taken all my relationships seriously, never been casual or pursued casual sex, and would like someone of the same mindset. Is sex an important part of emotional intimacy to her, or is "sex just sex and fun?" Not an easy thing to get evidence for, but body count is one avenue. Given my lower count, there's still stuff I'd like to explore sexually with a loving intimate partner but not neces…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:36 PM
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I mean, go on any women's subreddit and they'll tell you that it's misogynistic or patriarchal to claim "not all men" on a generalized "men are trash" post. Go on any men's focused subreddit and almost all the women commenting will be shouting "not all women" on a generalized "women are trash" post. Go back to the women's subreddits and make a generalized post about a men's dating woes and you'll get "not all women," "you sound like an incel" and "Nice Guy vibes." The double standard is pretty b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:00 PM
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I have a saying: “A man is only allowed to have problems equal to his ability to deal with them.” A confident man can have vulnerabilities, and his girlfriend will want him to share them for the intimacy, but only as long as he already has to tools and solutions to overcome them figured out. The moment a man says “I’m really struggling and I don’t know what to do” a countdown timer starts where he better figure his shit out before he’s single. Having no vulnerabilities will make you look emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:44 PM
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Edited my post, I actually missed a crucial detail but I don't think it changes my point much. Original Report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/ Additional details: https://www.joe.ie/life-style/amount-men-30-not-sex-nearly-tripled-past-decade-663846
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:00 PM
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Sure it can be. But people also have different value systems, different Gods, different politics, and different ideas on the ethics of sexual liberation. Also, we really really cannot discount the psychological impact of near 30% of men under 30 still being virgins having zero sex since turning 18 (18% for women). That’s virginity, let alone regular partners. Sex being just a casual thing any guy can have during formative years is objectively not normal and impacts it’s inherent value. A metapho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:07 PM
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Your first paragraph assumes too much of a level of affluence and financial success. That is not the norm, or money wouldn’t be in the top 5 requirements of near very woman’s dating standards. Also, guys that want to be boyfriends and husbands tend to give a lot of fucks in order to actually get a fuck. Sex is valuable, a sign of intimacy, a representation of loyalty. But if you’re having casual sex with guys but making him wait, you’re showing that sex has no value. It’s something to be tossed …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:44 PM
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Hah, fair! Other peoples thoughts #1 reason I avoid social media 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:21 PM
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And even then, only if it’s actually an equally beneficial friendship. No “I’ll keep all the emotional benefits he wants to give without having to reciprocate, that’s a girlfriends job.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:15 PM
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Is unfollowing on Snap significant these days? Is that like Facebook unfriending where your whole social group could see what just happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:02 PM
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I’d suggest it’s from noticing a confident asshole is often preferable to awkward kindness. One gets the girl, the other gets the friendzone. It shows an order of priority for character traits where aspects of kindness are at the bottom of the list of attractiveness. When women make their “lists” being a generally good guy seems like the cherry on top, as long as they’re getting everything else they want it doesn’t seem like a primary priority. So when guys want that confidence, how do they get …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:26 PM
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Well, “all things in moderation” right? TRP does a lot of good in educating men ways they can be manipulated and how to avoid being taken advantage of. Much like learning about narcissism can teach you how to avoid getting involved with a narcissist. It can also help men finally understand the importance of boundaries, taking pride in themselves, and finding enlightened self-interest. It’s just that TRP taken too far and those positive traits become negative. Not taken at all and those positive …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:26 AM
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After you’re above average in all of the above, it’s time to work on your social skills, charisma, and “game.” Are you above average in those? Rollo Tomasai warns over and over again that guys too often focus on looks, muscles, and money and then are still terrible at actually handling women and encouraging attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 05:44 AM
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I think the thing that really gets me is the near timeless cyclical nature of boys raised to be friendly, compassionate, respectful, prioritize her happiness > struggle with relationships > experience traumatic heartbreak > learn to not give a fuck > now attracting women. From what I’ve seen this is a generations old story, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. that just keeps happening. Then the TRP points out the other half of the cycle: now attracting women > commits to one > marriage > reverts back to pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 05:11 AM
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Nothing is real, everything on the internet is a lie. You should probably just stay offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:21 AM
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Sam Harris might have some words for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:01 AM
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Not sure fiction is a good argument. Fiction also spawned all the Nice Guy “I’ll earn her through dedication” behavior. Fiction made us all believe in fairy tale romance. Fiction is why most peoples perspective of what love should look like is fucked. Rom coms are as much emotional porn as actual porn is sexual porn. Also, dunno that comparing the most powerful man in a country to an average modern guy makes any sense either. So I guess your sample size of three will have to speak for all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:57 AM
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I don’t think a demand to pay for dates is about not encroaching on a woman. There are plenty of demands that are purely qualifiers for him and have little to do with being respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:48 AM
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Maybe part of the problem is how unwilling the popular narrative is to say that women are just as much a part of the patriarchy problem as men. I’ve got a personal theory that we downplay how much sexual selectivity impacts ego and general character traits. Young men already tend to bend over backwards doing whatever works for attracting women, and every time a negative behavior works it reinforces that behavior. It’s basically what TRP is all about pointing out. How would all this change if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:38 AM
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You cannot be a good person without a sense of responsibility, or duty, but you can have a sense of responsibility and not be a good person. All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:19 AM
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From an objective historical perspective, gotta agree with Unique. A stable society relies on Order; the longest lasting empires were certainly not fair but they definitely maintained an order to their societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:15 AM
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If you break off from TRP thinking a bit and go into what makes for healthy relationships and healthy mental mindsets… I wonder how many women can truly internalize “comparison is the thief of joy” and just like…not compare to ex’s period?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:27 PM
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This. I’ve always seen TRP as a “be aware that it’s a harsh world and there are plenty of con artists that’ll be happy to take advantage of you if you allow it. These are their strategies.” It’s also a way of knocking women off that pedestal they claim to hate being on. TRP just says “women are just as human as men and that includes being just as capable of all of the worst evils mankind has inflicted on each other.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:43 PM
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No no, it wasn’t a miss understanding at all. The “beautiful” part was very specifically part of the message and no one was thinking about super models, especially me. Whole point of my post was about what other women in my life lead me to believe about my value before learning what attraction is actually about. I had to learn the hard way what “my problem was” because I wasn’t being told straight. The whole point is that I learned about relationships almost solely from the women in my life, doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 08:16 PM
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His experience mirrors mine. Got told "you'll make some girl very happy someday" so gods damn often that it warped my perception of my own value. Made me assume that as long as I remained dedicated to being a "good guy" that I'd totally land a really beautiful woman, inside and out. So that was a fucking lie. Took me years to finally understand that the quality of your character kinda means fuck all compared to the level of charisma you can embody. The more you can be fun, funny, interesting, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:10 AM
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Curious. Do women complaining about hot girls get told they’re just lazy and pathetic with the same consistency that guys complaining about “chads” do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 06:50 AM
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Not him, but I’ll say that sex with a loving partner has felt almost transcendent in the level of emotional connection I’ve felt. It can be a real spiritual experience. Meanwhile sex with a hookup or a one night stand is more like…mutual masturbation or something. The few times I’ve had it have been only slightly more satisfying than just a solo session with porn. In that light I can totally see how one might as well just pay for sex and skip the “dating bullshit” of knowing your both in it for …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:09 AM
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Fair point, not long, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:02 PM
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I don't think anyone really argues that women want abusive men. The argument is women want confidant, masculine, and dominate men. But there's an issue with that dominate part and the quality of a lot of women's picker. Along with problems of family upbringing, toxic relationships, and/or attachment issues confusing what confidence looks like. "Beta" essentially means a man that makes women the sole source of his personal worth. It generally comes out as simping behavior, yes, but there's the al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 06:02 AM
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Nah, Red Pill is assuming you’d double down on your straw man argument about washing asses and ignore all those lesser men. Keep your eye on Mr. high value man, Queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:27 AM
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I mean, only something like 35% of the population actually bothers to exercise as simple as 15-30min of “elevated heart rate activity.” An even smaller minority bothers with vigorous exercise. That’s far from “most people.” Meanwhile the population as a whole continues to trend towards more people being overweight. “Working hard in fitness” immediately makes you a minority. “Looks and hygiene” I’d imagine to be more about being fashionable rather than just remembering to shower. Taking time to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:11 AM
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Idk man, I started out having fulfilling relationships with women…at least until each girlfriend cheated. Then I read No More Mr Nice Guy and slowly realized that, actually, none of my relationships were as fulfilling as I thought. Then RP slowly detailed each stage of my own behavior and theirs that showed how easily compassion gets taken advantage of to turn a person into a useful chump. DO the majority of men have fulfilling relationships? Or is that the lie they tell themselves? Like all tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:57 PM
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Ideally RP teaches men to “not to hate women for what they can never be to you.” Insert stuff on idealistic vs pragmatic love. So don’t hate your girl for cheating on you, just recognize hypergamy in action and move on to the next girl. You were not her alpha and your turn is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:25 PM
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He just described a guy motivated to be what everyone here calls “high value” in all aspects of his life…and you think that’s the bare minimum? If the whole point of this hypothetical guy is to be anything but minimum and even that isn’t good enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:09 PM
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In RP terms, only a beta gets insecure and emotional enough to be abusive and directly controlling like that. An Alpha doesn’t try to stop a woman from anything, he just starts focusing more on the next woman if he finds the 1st woman’s behavior unacceptable. Not even trying to be passive aggressive, just spending his energy on someone more receptive. Edit: the whole point of “dread game” is the threat of the speed he will bounce from the relationship if she stops doing things that please him. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:45 AM
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Probably about as realistic as “6 figures” statistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:09 PM
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I know it seems dubious... like "isn't that just some small section of the population." But the thing is...conversations I've had with real sociological researchers point to the data as a gold mine of information because the quantitative data is so large across a wide range of demographic groups of people interacting with other people...with no knowledge of being tracked. Further, the data is just data. Yes it has it's problems and probably can't be used in scholarly research as a source without…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:23 AM
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Exactly! You understand why it’s frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:43 PM
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No More Mr Nice Guy by Dr Robert Glover has a Theory that goes into this. Essentially, after World War 2 and all that death, society was left with quite a lot of single mothers struggling to raise kids, support a family, and work in their newfound employment opportunities. The result was a society with boys primarily raised by women who taught them to be the man they wished their husbands were right now. Instead of teaching them to be strong, independent, and attractive men. They taught boys to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:38 PM
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I think if we had been raised being taught that men and women are different in love, and romance, a lot of this hatred would have been avoided. But that isn’t what happened, the only difference young men are sold now is the Disney “treat her like a princess” version, followed by a psychological army hammering in the idea that men and women are 100% the same and would experience reality the same way except for all this terrible oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:27 PM
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OK Cupid started it. Tinder confirmed it, or made it worse (90/10). By now there’s even more data one could source. And the entire concept relates to the Pareto Principle phenomenon which notices an 80/20 correlation across a wide range of hierarchical systems from book sales to employee productivity. The phenomenon is, apparently, common enough to almost be accepted as a weird natural law.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:15 PM
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This is what makes some heartbreaks so world shattering, you think you took time to get to know them, you think you set the right boundaries, and then one day you learn about a whole third side to their coin and you are left to question your faith in them, in yourself, in the existence of truth itself. It can literally be a PTSD trauma event.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:01 PM
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I’m 2nding his statement to you with my own, not trying to respond to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:39 AM
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Probably a good point. Gives credence to the idea that everyone, men and women, should be dating non-exclusively until a couple want something serious. If they’re both making some wait and not making others wait and equally playing the field then there’s no reason for anyone to get upset!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:23 AM
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I would hope she’s having sex for both of us, out of a mutual desire… I mean, I could be selfish about it too but I actually want her to enjoy the experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:15 AM
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The dichotomy is idealism vs reality. Ideally: women would be more selective (more like, more qualifying partnership focused and less casually promiscuous) Reality: modern culture is a sex positive world with a global sexual market, dating apps, Instagram, and hookup culture that no man will be able to change and all men simply have to adapt to. I think a lot of RP dudes would prefer the old traditional dating world. But RP, as I understand it, is saying that kind of dating is dead and you shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:01 AM
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I think the OP thread post really got it right. Making “boyfriend material” wait but not others is transactional. The transaction being that he has to “prove” himself consistently in ways others don’t, and that likely sets a foundation where he must continue to transactionally prove himself valuable to keep her desire where other men don’t need to prove anything. It is gaslighting to tell that man “you’re just insecure” if such knowledge raises questions of trust, loyalty, and desire for him. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:42 AM
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The tough shit part swings both ways. When guys finally mature into their most attractive point in life they’ve also had enough negative experiences to lose the idealism of their youth and aren’t interested in committing to the same age bracket that told them to wait, now that younger women are giving them attention. At the end of the day, everyone gets their turn at having a raw deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:26 AM
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I’m going to have to agree with boab, “useful lackey” indeed. Or “emotional tampon.” A guy really has to ask himself if their friendship is anything like his other male friendships. Do they engage in shared interests or hobbies? Geek out over the same things? Can you count on her to help you out in a bind? Split the tab when y’all grab tacos? Or Does she only seem to want to talk about herself? Does she always seem to need advice about her current boy drama? Are you often asked for small favors?…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:01 AM
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For a healthy and balanced woman or man I’d like to agree with you! In practice however…over and over what “she” really seems to want is someone fun and interesting who will bring some excitement into her life. Stable, consistent, guys seem to have a rough time trying to date more often than not. It’s a nice secondary relationship trait that is nowhere near as valuable as being interesting. Which is the rub, because people that focus on dependability and consistency tend to have a hard time also…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 06:51 AM
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Fuckin, when people talk about “what do you bring to the table,” the response from women discount a man’s need for respect, appreciation, and an emotionally safe home to such a degree it’s insane. All while literally demanding the same and more. It’s almost like the very idea that that’s the thing a particular man might need makes him less confident and less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:46 AM
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Oh no. Most people DO NOT eat healthy or exercise enough. We got all kinds of guidelines of which the majority of people fail to meet any given one. Exercise X minutes daily. Drink X amount of water. Eat a max of X amount of sugar. Eat X amount of protein or X amount of green vegetables. Avoid X amount of alcohol or coffee or refined carbs. Pick one and the story is generally 60%+ of people do not do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:06 PM
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He kinda has a point…I wouldn’t want to use pandemic data of car sales to infer normal car buying behavior even though it’s the most “up to date” info. Or use pandemic travel info to infer tourism habits. Shits wack right now. Edit: the data has been pretty clear for a few years. There are far more men hitting 30s as virgins than women and than ever before since tracking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:51 PM
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I think it’s intentionally made a grey area with a lot of postmodern relativism thrown in. We’re trying to have a society that both accepts every possible kink and lifestyle two+ adults can consent to while also protecting women from every possible variation of unwanted physical/sexual contact (Not men though, they gotta toughen up). Unfortunately arousal just doesn’t quite vibe without some anxiety and uncertainty, a bit of “what’s he gunna do next?” Combine that with a dating environment that …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:55 AM
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This is how I’ve always felt about it. It’s about shared experiences and values. I’m not worried about saving sex till marriage, but I have taken all of my relationships seriously and as such have not had many partners and would like to be with someone of similar experience. If she’s had like 20+ more partners than me, the disparity just seems too great and I cannot imagine we value sex the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:31 AM
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I just used “type” to avoid a longer explanation of what makes an attractive woman to me, that info wasn’t important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:26 AM
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When guys say “it’s biological” we are saying it’s a primal level fear that triggers before any logic or rational thought kicks in. All that science stuff doesn’t really matter (actually the rise of 23andMe scandals really is proving that it does matter). Same way I can’t help but worry if a guy twice my size is pissed off at me or can’t help but feel attracted to a girl that fits my “type.” There’s a visceral concern if I found a girl I’m interested used to jump from guy to guy…and then a ratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:02 AM
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But if something is draining for you it does require more motivation and will power to get yourself to do it, which is where discipline comes in. I made to claims to all that....other stuff you posted. For health it's easier to see the benefit of maintaining discipline to work towards a healthier body. For a social life it's a lot harder, especially for people with no social support structure or a history of trying, failing, and devaluing. I would argue that this is harder to do than learning ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:25 PM
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Yeah, that's the nuance that gets lost in the general messaging. However, I'd like to counter that the other nuance that gets lost is the way a "friends to lovers" dynamic gets totally destroyed as a possibility; or is only acceptable if it's the woman that catches feels first. So a genuine guy, could start hanging out with a girl as a genuine friend, and over time develop genuine feelings of intimacy, and then be genuinely be unable to handle the pain of rejection and have to cut ties. In the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 04:24 PM
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You assume socializing to be something that would reduce stress. That is not necessarily the case, especially for anyone that is lacking social skills. We can probably assume people like this are not high on extroversion or this wouldn’t be an issue. So, “going out” likely represents a huge mental energy investment in learning and practicing unused social skills while risking social rejection and self worth. This while already exhausted from work? It’s the mental equivalent of telling an overwei…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:00 AM
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Tbf, a large part of the “nice guy” pushback has created a message that says “if you’re friends with women just cause you’re looking for more, then you’re a trash human.” There’s a lot of nuances, but if you’re an awkward guy just trying to figure this out it can look like you have two options: either cold approach or accept a permanent friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 09:32 AM
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His point is more like “it’s a lot harder to get sober by drinking water when they went and replaced 80% of the water with booze and at this point you’re not even sure what water tastes like or how to find it. And if you’re lucky enough to find water you can only get a couple sips in before you gotta go back to the booze.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 09:22 AM
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You're making an assumption. No part of my question asks women to change anything. I'm simply wondering what motivations people, and specifically men, have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:39 PM
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That would certainly simplify it. Just live your life and if you happen to meet someone like that, awesome! Hopefully your life is social enough for that to be a possibility... but isn't the purpose of dating specifically to find someone to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:37 PM
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Why would you assume I don't give a shit? It's 100% not because I don't care...more often it seems I care too much to be "fun." I want deep conversations, I want to know how a person thinks, who they truly are, what they care about. I've always had an easier time developing friendships with women. Most of my closest friendships are with women. Unfortunately I'm also often the "great catch....for someone else." I'm not at all a feminine guy (imo) but I don't fit a lot of masculine assumptions. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:34 PM
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Hey now, dogs are only low effort if the owner is low effort :P Good owners put a lot of time, effort, and training into their pups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 06:26 PM
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I don't think this analogy works....unless you are suggesting men should treat their partners like puppies. I mean, you know (or should) exactly what you're getting into when getting a puppy. Not only that, but it has no say in it's dedication to you. The problem with any analogy relating human relationships to any other hobby or thing you might do or buy...is that you don't own people. It's not like the Playstation can just be like "I don't like gamers like you" and refuse to function. Followed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 06:24 PM
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because feminized boys grow into men women aren't attracted to and turn into incels. Become red pilled when trying to understand why everything they were taught about relationships doesn't work. Finally getting to choose red, black, or mgtow. Applied to a single guy? he's a poor and unlucky soul. Apply that to 30%+ of a generation though....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:07 PM
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Do you also feel that women shouldn't burden their men with the same, and sort their own shit out instead of dumping emotions on their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:56 PM
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These kinds of reasons make the most sense to me, if family is something you want out of life. And it makes dating easier, I think, because there is a greater focus on what each person can provide and slightly less of a focus on "will my life be happier with them?" In a sense, what I mean to say, is that the pursuit of a family seems to give budding relationships more meaning and permanence than the fleeting nature of singles dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:41 PM
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Also, no woman wants a whiny boychild with feminine emotions. We want men with normal emotions and yes that includes negative emotions, so long as you're not constant misery and anger. Are your male friends seriously more likely to care about your problems and negative feelings than a serious girlfriend? I would assume not. It's these two statements that are fraught with trouble. That line between "caring about your problems" and "whiny boychild" seems to be incredibly thing, mobile, and varies …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:31 PM
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Now we each have a teammate when it comes to achieving those goals. I honestly believe that a teammate, an equal partnership, an "it's us vs the world, I got your back." Is the ideal modern relationship...but it also seems like it's so incredibly rare for it to actually be the case. Especially when life experience tells you that it's right at the moment you think you've found it that the tables are turned. How do you know if it's just bad luck, or if you're holding onto blind idealism?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:22 PM
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Well, it's more like...."Dating sucks. It sucks time, money, and your sense of self worth. While a LTR has potential to be great, is there really a compelling reason for pouring all the time and money required to find one?" I believe that all relationships, friends and family included, are things you have to spend time building and investing in the person. But dating is like...an exercise in false starts. You start getting to know someone, you go out, have what seems like a great conversation, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:14 PM
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"strong independent woman who don't need no man" Hahaha, that's such a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way but it's so true. I agree that the feeling of love and appreciation is powerful...but looking for so often seems like the very thing that turns people off, and is what makes dating so potentially damaging if you keep hitting failures; whereas friendships can be a lot more validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:43 PM
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