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I mean, if you happen to be walking by fully coincidentally, and you compliment her shoes or hairstyle if it’s clear she put effort into it or something along those lines, that’s fine, as long as it’s nothing having to do with her body or physical looks, that’s fine. You see if she opens up conversation after that initial contact. Maybe after that, if you again coincidently run into her, maybe ask her what she thinks about the weather. Another time, maybe ask her about what she’s working on that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:26 AM
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OP is trying to make a covert argument that wives should be obligated to give their husbands sex if they do XYZ
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:20 PM
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But statistically, more women take part in athletic forms of dance than men.You’re focused on a narrow application of exercise. Hair, nails, hair removal, are all things women do to a much greater extent than men in terms of appearance. You too are focused on a narrow subset of appearance as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:08 PM
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Are you aware that women have been made to feel this way about their own sexuality for decades? For centuries? For Millenia? When it comes to progress and correcting societal harms, oftentimes the perpetrators of that societal harm need a taste of their own medicine to actually feel the harm it’s doing to the other party, to act as a sort of catalyst to help enact change. Purity culture is a bitch, and men are starting to actually be impacted too now. Maybe one day, we’ll finally get people to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:43 PM
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But that wasn’t part of OP’s question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 07:27 PM
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I expect that my partner makes an effort to make me orgasm and turn me on, and I reciprocate as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 07:24 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 07:19 PM
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Plenty - but that’s between me and my partner now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 07:12 PM
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For me when I was dating, no man could ever be a serious prospect before I see what he’s like in bed. Period. I need to make sure a guy is somebody who pays attention to feedback to ensure that I am enjoying the experience. Note: this did not exclude sexually inexperienced men, and men who weren’t well endowed, or lacked skill. It’s specifically about the attitudes towards the partner and making efforts to make sure the partner is enjoying the experience, even if those efforts fail at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:30 PM
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You want to approach a woman in this scenario, compliment part of her outfit, ask her where she got the item, make the excuse that you’re always looking for places to get a familial woman in your life gifts for birthdays or the holidays.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:46 AM
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The stuff that OP is posting is some Jordan Peterson hot garbage, but like most of said garbage, it is based on some truths. Basically, there’s research out there showing that people are most capable of building strong interpersonal relationships with others within a close range of their own intelligence, and that more difficulties arise the further apart two individuals intelligence is. Of course, these studies also go over what folks can do to bridge this gap and overcome these challenges, as …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 11:55 AM
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A lot of men still heavily affected by patriarchal views get intimidated by it, or feel emasculated by it. There is also another group it attracts who want to take advantage of it, but not as a supportive partner, more to leech off of; many of these groups are narcicists who feel they are destined to earn this much but blame their shortcomings that prevent them from actually achieving it on everybody but themselves. Theres the ones who get super insecure to the point where they attempt to restri…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:52 AM
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Well, I bring a sizable amount of money and assets to bring to the relationship, as I’m in the 95th percentile of earners my age. I bring a broad set of skills and can assist anybody in navigation of government and bureaucracy for just about anything under the sun. I have a fair amount of influence within my community, and I’m highly respected within it. My professional and personal network is enormous and I have a wealth of social capital built up within it. Basically I come with my end of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:13 PM
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I’m somebody for whom of if I were to have kids with my partner, I would be more inclined to seek adoption rather than give birth. I am terrified of carrying a pregnancy to term for multiple reasons. If I’m having a biological child, it would be because having a biological child is something specifically very important to my partner. It would be a planned pregnancy, tracking fertility windows together, or at least having intercourse every single day until I get pregnant, and my partner would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:12 AM
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How many cases of paternity fraud where the woman has been 100% monogamous with the person she is saying is the father of the child though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:02 PM
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Yet, these same individuals balk at the idea of having court-level paternity testing where the man is under constant scrutiny during the testing and you have a traceable chain of accountability over the test to ensure that he is unable to tamper with the sample in order to give a negative result.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:25 PM
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Not really - I’m certain that it’s very uncommon for a woman who has been fully monogamous with her partner and hasn’t been engaging in sex with any other men to somehow end up pregnant with the child of a man other than her partner, outside of purposeful medical intervention. There aren’t really any studies on this, but I would assume that in these circumstances, it’s about as common as children switched at birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:05 PM
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So when this has happened to me with some of my friends, and there were several areas that desperately needed improvement, where once they were corrected he saw improvement: posture. Posture is absolutely huge when it comes to attraction. A guy could have the best face and looks, but still completely turn women off from bad posture. There are lots of online resources about posture that guys need to be learning from. Ill-fitting clothes. This one is most prevalent among American men. A guy could …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:04 AM
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Umm, might wanna do a quick google search before you keep blurting out stuff: https://dna.labcorp.com/dna-testing/maternity-testing Child could have been switched at the hospital. The mother won’t know for sure with out a maternity test!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:17 AM
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It’s true you don’t need it, but if you love some, you do want to do what you can to make sure they are taken care of if you pass away before them. For a lot of what’s out there, marriage helps you do that. Especially for Americans, the U.S. Government and many other entities only recognize marriage and not other forms of partnerships. Hospital visitation rights, survivors benefits for pensions, etc. For instance, I have a retirement pension I’ve earned already, and the only way for him to conti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 10:46 PM
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Just like women, men are not a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 10:38 PM
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Not a single woman? Really? Your repetitive insistence that you are so mentally stable really suggests otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:03 AM
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No, I wouldn’t request the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:50 AM
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How difficult is it for you to find a woman who is less financially, mentally and spirituality less stable than you are. Like, I get that with billions of people out there that there has got to be somebody on the very bottom of that spectrum, but I imagine it would be pretty difficult when the person you’re comparing them to is so far on that side of the bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:46 AM
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Well, if you’re concerned about only paternity, and not at all concerned about your partner’s fidelity, then why not have a maternity test done instead, to ensure that the child is the child brought into this would by you and your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 07:17 PM
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If the individual will be returning to my country, then definitely the west. There are so many extra responsibilities that come with come with bringing in a parter from a place that is very different from your own, I’d be worried that I wouldn’t be able to make good on all of them, and that wouldn’t be fair to my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:58 AM
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Whatever is the root cause of those insecurities is going to pop up again elsewhere if it’s not addressed. You’re still going to have that insecurity that she’s cheating, even when you prove that the child is yours. She just didn’t cheat that time or about that same thing. What are you going to test for next to determine that’s she’s not cheating then? Go through her private messages? Stalk her? Demanding a paternity test when there is actually no reason to believe there’s paternity fraud is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 01:28 AM
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There are women who are into the nerdy guys, there are women who are attracted to the jock types, there are some women who are into somebody completely different from either of those. Women are not a monolith who are all into the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:58 AM
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There’s actually a medical diagnosis for when people have irrational doubts about something they have no actual reason to have doubts about, it’s diagnosed as paranoia and anxiety. That paranoia and anxiety is just going to pop up again if it goes untreated, the paternity test isn’t going to go away. The paternity test is just doing something damaging to the relationship in order to avoid therapy at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:39 AM
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You need the consent of the parent to perform a medical test on a child. And the person getting the test doesn’t think that he’s the parent, so what gives him the right to give the parental consent to the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:20 AM
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It’s because bringing a pregnancy to term is an extreme amount of sacrifice and bodily harm, and in a planned pregnancy scenario between partners, it’s insulting and degrading. As a woman, when you are deciding to have a child with a partner, you are putting yourself in a scenario where you are going to be permanently changing your body in negative ways to the level of more than likely disfigurement, you may never enjoy sex again, your hormones will be dragging you through a slew of mental healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:16 AM
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In a committed stable relationship where both of the partners are working together to conceive and have a child together, both parents know it’s their child. Not to mention, that it’s not even equality when you’re talking about one small upside that the person taking the brunt of the burden and making that one thing equal. If the woman looses teeth, is the husband going to get those teeth pulled to make things equal? Is the husband purposely putting on 30 plus pounds because his wife is? Is he t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 12:30 PM
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They might not be SA, but they are still sexual violence, as it is an act of sexual violence. Any attempt to coerce somebody to perform a sexual act is a form of sexual violence, regardless of their ability to withdrawal consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:29 PM
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If I am left with permanent scarring that makes sex much less enjoyable if not painful and wholly unenjoyable for the rest of my life, then yes, that is permanent disfigurement. Based on my physique, and family medical history, unless I can schedule a voluntary cesarean, my genitals are going to be mutilated in the process of giving birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:55 AM
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You’re struggling to figure out why women don’t want to have their bodies permanently disfigured, have their potential for wage growth slashed dramatically, and risk their own deaths all for something they cannot afford anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:23 AM
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You’re not just accusing her of cheating though, you’re accusing her of so much more than that, let’s be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:45 PM
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The man should tell the mother. A paternity test is a medical test, and the child’s parents have a right to be aware of all medical procedures and tests performed on their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:43 PM
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When I’ve gotten this way with a guy, I’ve already informed or asked to do/not to do something multiple times and he has done the exact opposite, especially if it’s knowingly does the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 04:09 AM
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You know what you may be right. I was just trying to think of something more similar, the equivalent of a go bag is a go bag on the other end, because it’s a matter of physical safety. Divorces aren’t about physical safety, that’s something you get after you’ve gotten to physical safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:49 PM
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I think that in surprise pregnancies when prevention is consistently and reliably used, uncommitted relationships, known infidelity, one night stands, polyamorous relationships, post break up pregnancies, pregnancies that show up accidentally when things are rocky in a relationship, and the like, sure - go for the test, that’s a reasonable circumstance, and justifiable situation to request a paternity test However, situations where a couple is in a stable relationship, especially in circumstance…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:42 PM
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I fantasize about what it would be like to be president, and all the cool things I would get to do, but I don’t want to be President and don’t want to go through it all in my real life. I will fantasize about what it would be like if I knew I only had a year left to live and a million dollars to spend without worrying about long term planning, but I don’t ever want to be put into that situation. The gentle loving caring man I want to be with for the rest of my life does not make for compelling l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:28 PM
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A paternity test is checking if somebody is t who you think you are just as psychiatric evaluations are checking if somebody isn’t who you think they are. Having a go bag isn’t checking if somebody isn’t who you think they are, it’s having a plan in case that person shows you that they are not who you think they are. It’s nowhere near the same level as a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:22 PM
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The go bag is not the equivalent of the paternity test. The equivalent of a paternity test would be regular psychiatric evaluations of the male partner to ensure he’s not developing abusive thoughts and behavior. The equivalent of having a go bag, would be having a lawyer picked out and money set aside to initiate a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:16 PM
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Face tattoos. Especially if it’s really poorly executed and/or terrible subject matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:39 AM
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Then the Pareto principal is the wrong tool to convey that. If you have a society of 1,000 straight women and 1,000 straight men in a dating pool, and let’s say 600 of those women value monogamy, while 400 do not. Let’s also say that only 700 men are in relationships, and 300 are single. Even if we convert 200 of the women who don’t value monogamy to want an exclusive relationship, that’s not going to result in 200 single men being able to get into relationships, as many women will just opt out …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:22 PM
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Right, non monogamy is more prevalent than it was, but it’s still a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:03 PM
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It’s not true. A small minority of women feel that way at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:02 PM
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At least in the U.S. - a majority of society does believe in strict monogamy. Your argument is unsound.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:35 PM
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What exactly constitutes “enough abusive behavior” surely once would be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:03 PM
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Is this how you react to logical arguments? You seem to be getting really emotional. I’m not accusing anybody of being sexually attracted to minors, I am in fact advocating that generally speaking, most individuals’ sexual preferences and attraction change as they get older. However, there are lots of men in this thread arguing that sexual preferences do not change, so I am merely taking that argument to its logical conclusions. If it is true that sexual preferences do not change as they age, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:57 PM
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So do you agree that one’s sexual preferences change as they get older or not? If you don’t believe that sexual preferences change, then it logically follows that every individual who was sexually attracted to other teenagers when they are a teen themselves is still attracted to teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:26 PM
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lol the other day, my partner was hauling big pieces of plywood from his driveway to his backyard, and I was watching on his security cameras (he told me to go on his security cameras to watch Hihi) and girl, I was getting so steamy just watching him do that. 20 year old me would never get so turned on by that 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:53 AM
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It would look to an outside observer who doesn’t comprehend that one’s sexual preferences change over time - you just told on yourself being an ephebophiliac, gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:44 AM
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Right - I think they are all telling on themselves for being ephebophiliacs, I guess they must be if they cannot comprehend remaining attracted to your peers , instead of just teenagers your entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:42 AM
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I wasn’t attracted to men in their mid thirties when I was in my teens and early twenties. And I’m not attracted to men in their teens and early twenties now that I am in my mid thirties. This is pretty common, for people to be attracted to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:53 AM
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lol - I’ve seen pictures of him in his teens and 20s. I would have very much been attracted to 21 year old him, and when I was 20, I just wouldn’t have been attracted to 35 year old him, I wasn’t into older guys when I was younger. I’ve always been attracted to my peers, those who are around the same age as me. I feel like that’s pretty normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:50 AM
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I think this is terrible for all parties. In particular, it completely disregards how many individuals use these apps to perpetrate verbal and psychological abuse on others. Tweak 1 - will make women even more selective on dating apps than they already are. Tweak 2 - when somebody unmatches with somebody due to abusive behavior, it’s a terrible idea to mandate that they write statements about the abuse they received rather than moving on, and then the reverse feedback from the unmatched person j…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:44 AM
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Right here bro: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8133465/ I’d like to see the studies you’ve seen showing that anybody sexually attracted to their peers as a teenager remain ephebophiliacs for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:33 AM
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There are multiple dance clubs, there are multiple boxing facilities, entertainment venues having shows, gaming shops, and I’m willing to bet just about everything you say your city is missing. Go out and touch some grass bro
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:26 AM
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Name the city?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:21 AM
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It cannot be Missoula, Missoula has all of these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:21 AM
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I’m in a City of 80k people and we have all the things listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:19 AM
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The guy I’ve settled down with, I’m more sexually attracted to him than I’ve ever been to any other person; over and over again, the sexual experiences are the best I’ve ever experienced. Would 20 year old me agree with me? No. My sexual preferences have matured as I have matured. The men I was attracted to back then would be completely revolting to me now as well. Looking from the outside, if you assume that sexual preferences are something fixed and not subject to change (which they aren’t), i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:09 AM
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Adolf Hitler, who was a man, was a lot more bigoted than Dolly Parton, who is a woman. Gender doesn’t determine one’s level of bigotry, it comes down to the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:57 PM
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“Because this obsession with women has been getting harnessed and weaponized for centuries, and has lead to the creation of the collective mass you call a “society”, and things like capital being produced en masse” If it’s been going on for centuries, then it follows that it was created by men, and continued by men, and not stopped by men. If what you say is true, then why would men do this to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:27 AM
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If it’s been going on for centuries, why did men not do anything about it? It’s been 100 years or less since women were permitted to have any impact or input on the direction of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:24 AM
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Can you give me an example of women that like problematic men in their fiction who also date problematic men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:27 PM
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Because what we want in our fiction, and what we want in real life are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:25 PM
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It’s about consent and autonomy. That’s all. Women only want to be objectified when they consent to said objectification, and women should be free to consent to objectification when they want to be. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:23 PM
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The laws behind child support payments you are referring to are not in respect to men. They are in respect to the non-custodial parent, which applies to both men and women. Granted, it’s more common for the man to be the non-custodial parent, so men are disproportionately affected by this law, but that’s not a law about men specifically, and we are speaking of laws that are specific to men and women. Under that logic, one could theoretically argue that Blood-alcohol limits for driving discrimina…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:59 PM
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All these services are affordable? For most it is not, and would be a luxury expense. The median household income. Median household income where I live is just shy of $90k a year. That is the SURVIVAL budget of a family of four here, no extras, no savings, just survival budget. And that survival budget is based off of superficially low housing cost assumptions, that don’t take into account what housing is readily available.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:27 PM
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Please cite the law or statute that requires this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:41 PM
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Sorry - I’m unfamiliar with any laws that require men to hooked up to another human being against their will in order to sustain that other human beings life. Can you please point out to me what law or code in the US sets out such requirements for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:35 PM
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I guess you’re not counting the US as a western style democracy then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:02 PM
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Yeah… you must not get out to bars much. Tons of these couples all over the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:02 AM
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Please explain then what the point of a paternity test is, because I was under the impression that it is to determine who a child’s father is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:37 AM
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How common is paternity fraud amongst planned pregnancies where the couple was working together on a nightly basis to try to conceive? The only data we have on the frequency of the occurrence of paternity fraud is by nature heavily skewed data we cannot even extrapolate from accurately, because the entire population of data subjects are men who felt compelled to seek a paternity test in the first place. In that data set, we have. Disproportionate amount of children born out of wedlock, from unpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:31 AM
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Oh - it most certainly does!!! What I’ve been finding is that a lot of TRP men out there fail to differentiate the forced repression of sexual desire for lack of it. A lot of women out there force themselves to forego their sexual desires, because so many people are pushing the belief that her engagement in those activities will negatively impact her overall worth in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:08 AM
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Oh - women most definitely pay for porn, the porn is just very different, as women are much better than men at rendering sexual imagery in their heads then men are. Exhibit A: the success of Fifty Shades of Grey, and the gigantic volumes of smut romance literature you will find at your local book store. Exhibit B: Chippendales and other male stripper groups specifically marketed towards straight women rather than the broader audience just attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:03 AM
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Imagine being so avoidant to therapy that you’re willing to put your family through medically unnecessary medical procedures with no health benefit to them in order to avoid it. The paranoia that leads to this obsession with getting a paternity test is going to rear its head elsewhere in the relationship without therapy. I am unwilling to raise a child with a partner who allows this damaging disordered thinking the hold to go unaddressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:51 AM
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The due diligence is going through the process of conceiving and carrying a child to term together. We are deciding together to have a kid, we are working together to conceive, tracking my fertility cycle together, he’s there when I take a pregnancy test, every doctors appointment. It’s a team effort to bring a child into this world. Going through all that, and then being accused of doing all these things together as a way of deceiving them. If he’s having those sort of doubts, what he needs is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:56 PM
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Asking for a paternity test is accusing somebody of so much more than cheating, it’s accusing them of committing paternity fraud which is so much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:23 PM
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No - it’s not just hurt feelings from being asked for a paternity test, it’s irreparable damage to the relationship. You see, I’m terrified of pregnancy, I don’t want to do it, it scares the shit out of me. If my partner and I decide to have kids, I’m inclined to say that we should adopt so I don’t have to go through with a pregnancy. If I am choosing to go through with a pregnancy, that is something I would be doing specifically as an act of love for my partner, because having a biological chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:21 PM
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This^ I’ll be damned if I put my body through a pregnancy to give my husband a child that is biologically his, and do all that just for him to demand a paternity test after the fact. If it’s addressed before, I can say “okay, then no biological kids, we can just adopt”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:09 PM
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There are positive benefits that can come from having your partner in your profile picture with you, and I do frequently employ this strategy to reap the benefits; My partner and I are long distance in separate countries, and are currently undergoing a visa petition process so we can live together - it’s not unheard of in the adjudication process for immigration officials to take a look at the social media profiles of individuals to appraise the validity of the relationship. Having it in the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:21 PM
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No - the government should not be able to require unnecessary medical procedures that provide no medical benefit to an individual. If myself and my partner decide to have a kid, and work together to get me impregnated, we know who the father is, a paternity test is wholly unnecessary and provides no medical benefit, therefore it should not be required for us to engage in a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:40 PM
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No it wouldn’t. I recognize that human beings are not a monolith and that all individuals deserve the dignity and respect of being judged on an individual basis, rather than making character judgements based on a data set they were not even a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:46 PM
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“The adjusted pay gap (also called the controlled pay gap or equal pay gap) measures the difference in pay between women and men after accounting for factors that determine pay, such as job role, education, and experience.“ When you’re talking about somebody that works less, you’re talking about UNADJUSTED pay gap. Number of hours worked is ADJUSTED in order to make that a factor when analyzing causes of the ADJUSTED pay gap. Do I need to explain to you what the prefix “un” means in relation to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:19 AM
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lol - bro, I’m talking about the very existence of ADJUSTED pay gap, which is an amount that is ADJUSTED for all “causes” you claim the pay gap to be ultimately rooted in. Because this clearly a new subject for you, I have included a link for supplementary reading; https://www.payanalytics.com/resources/articles/the-unadjusted-pay-gap-vs-the-adjusted-pay-gap
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:06 AM
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I don’t work less, in actuality, when I took on the role, they added responsibilities to it, so I was actually working more. I also got lots of feedback that my performance exceeded that of my predecessor. But whatever - folks don’t hurl personal attacks in debates unless they’re either losing or don’t have a full grasp on the subject matter, so there’s that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:00 AM
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You’re talking about the unadjusted pay gap - but the gender pay gap has been determined to exist even when controlled by the factors that you mention https://www.payanalytics.com/resources/articles/the-unadjusted-pay-gap-vs-the-adjusted-pay-gap
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:29 PM
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The gap still exists, it’s just no longer an explicit “I pay her less because she is a woman” but moreso based on unconscious bias and other factors. I’ve actually had it happen to me before when I got promoted; I was given $4k less a year when I was promoted than the man I was replacing was paid when he started the role, even though the experience and skills I had when starting the role were equivalent to that man when he started the role. They didn’t even realize they did it. Thankfully, we we…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:00 PM
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Correct - which is why so many women decide not to have kids with a partner until after they have entered one of these legal agreements with their partner. They understand the risks to their financial situation that comes from it, so they don’t move forward with it until they have something in place to mitigate those risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:17 PM
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They don’t, otherwise women wouldn’t have kids, but it becomes an issue during separation where the sacrifices they make fuck them over, because it’s more often than not the woman who gets hit with the economic detriment of being in a relationship. The solution for this is to enter a certain legal status that gives certain rights for the partner making economic sacrifices for the sake of the relationship has the opportunity to mitigate the damage done to their financial situation caused by maint…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:06 PM
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It’s dangerous for anybody who takes a deduction in their overall lifetime earnings in order to maintain a relationship honestly. If you turn down a promotion or job offer for the sake of maintaining the relationship, you’re never getting that money back in a divorce. You leave the workforce for just a couple of years to take care of kids, the hit you take to your lifetime earnings is multiple times just the salary you loose out on those years because you loose out in lifetime wage growth. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:34 AM
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I was thinking “women need to pay for and get their own drinks. Men shouldn’t have to flip the bill” then gets offended when women won’t drink the drinks he bought for them and delivered to their table.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:33 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:36 PM
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Then maybe you quote those parts of the discussion that is actually relevant to the discussion, instead of figures that aren’t. I’m not finding anything that shows that it is common for men to receive oral sex without ever performing oral sex themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:26 PM
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Those studies talk about frequency of performance, not performing vs not performing as I am discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:56 PM
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Of course, but that duty doesn’t necessitate the performance of oral sex, as it is one of many means through which to achieve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:48 PM
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I think it comes down to religiosity at the end of the day. The whole idea of tying promiscuity to immorality is that of religious dogma. The more intelligent an individual is, the less likely they are to adhere to religious dogma. Intelligence is correlated to promiscuity, but it isn’t the cause of it, the linking piece is religiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:50 AM
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Except in limited circumstances where one partner does not enjoy receiving oral sex, it’s pretty customary for oral sex to be reciprocated. I know for many individuals that if one expects for their partner to perform oral sex, but refuses to perform it themselves if it is desired by their partner, that’s a pretty huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:37 AM
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It very easily can be limiting for long term relationships, you will at least need to be on a career trajectory that is heading for more, developing a marketable skill. At least so long as the affordable housing crisis remains unaddressed. We are getting to a point where you either need two above minimum wage incomes in a household in order to live somewhat decently, or you need to be making a very high income that puts you at the very top of earners. If you are looking for a stable long term re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:16 AM
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It’s not really comparable, especially in a situation where the woman wants you to wear an exterior condom, because exterior and interior condoms cannot be used together and the exterior condoms is considerably more effective than the interior condoms. If a woman is insisting that you wear an exterior condom, by flipping the script and insisting on an interior condom, you are effectively insisting that she takes on a higher risk of pregnancy in order to enhance your own comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:04 AM
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This! In addition, for women who are wholly willing and able to get an abortion if they get pregnant, pregnancy prevention is not for the purpose of avoiding carrying a child to term and taking on the responsibilities of parenthood, but instead for the purpose of avoiding having to undergo a medication induced abortion. All of a sudden, the ongoing negative side effects of using birth control that is 99% effective isn’t worth it when you have the option of having none of those negative side effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:56 AM
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There are a lot of reasons: They are not as effective at birth control as many other options, including external condoms. 21 out of every 100 women who use internal condoms as their primary means of birth control over the course of a year. Compare this to only 13 women with external condoms usage. The mechanism that keeps the internal condoms in place does not work for all women. You have to secure the inner ring by getting it placed behind the bone at the back of your cervix, depending on one’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 11:27 PM
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Rape would actually get investigated I think; rather than just having backlogs of thousands of test kits that haven’t even been run against existing criminal databases.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:17 AM
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She’s gonna suck at twerking and will be making a fool of herself on the dance floor if she isn’t practicing at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:59 PM
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It can seem that way, until you realize that in 14% of live births, the mother didn’t want to ever have a baby to begin with, and another 23% of live births were to mothers who wanted to have children later in life but not then. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr055.pdf That effectively means that only 35.7% of women are reproducing when they want to reproduce. Where is the privilege there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:38 AM
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You want percentage of folks that have reproduced? 56.7% or women 15-49 have reproduced compared to 44.8% of men https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr179.pdf The “more recent history” the article you are referring to is mentioning is referring to 1,000 years ago as compared to the dip they refer to thousands of years before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:15 AM
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See the actual CDC data regarding this - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:48 AM
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How the hell is the life experience that less than 1% of men who love to their 40’s experience the “default male experience,” especially when you consider that a large chunk of those who fall into that group do so as a part of a religious choice to become a clergyman? Make it make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:26 AM
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Parents do this all the time, and it leads to huge fights and mental health issues for boys when it’s taken too far. This issue is compounded by how most adolescents don’t have the maturity to separate their identity from their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:24 AM
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Women are still taught from a very young age that marriage is the goal. It wasn’t until the past 20 years where you started having a significant number of adult female role models in films and stories whose primary achievement was attracting a man and marrying them. For women in their thirties now, it was engrained from birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:27 PM
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You are giving bad examples that are not actually equivalent to each other. The dangers of men that women look out for are things that can happen to a woman without ever getting to know a man. You have to interact with a man first to judge whether or not he is a safe person. In the other hand, the negative traits of being vindictive, manipulative, and neurotic, are typically things that will impact an individual only after they have chosen to interact with that individual. You can avoid those da…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:28 AM
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You literally explained common interests that both you and your friends have in common, and interests that your parents had in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:25 AM
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The woman who pays all the bills, the other woman is going to end up economically trapped in the relationship, the first woman you will know is always in the relationship because she wants to be. The 5, if she’s full and boring she’s not a 10 Body count of 30, body count has no bearing on a woman’s suitability for a relationship, and my male friends don’t want to be stepdads That’s his preference. That’s his preference
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:18 PM
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The way you talk about women shows you are not at a point where you can build a healthy relationship in the first place - so it’s not going to make any difference to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:14 PM
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Probably two or three times a day. That’s how often my partner and I have on days off when we are together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:46 PM
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You’re focusing too much on murder as the danger to be worried about. There are also injuries, robberies, and sexual violence that can occur. When we are protecting ourselves from danger, we are protecting ourselves from hardships, whether that be physical, mental/emotional, or financial.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:41 PM
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How do each of them treat me as a person? What are the dynamics of how we interact with one another? How intellectually stimulating are the conversations we have? How much do they make me laugh? What are their views of gender roles in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:02 AM
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Howdy hey - neurospicy woman here - we actually do have a lot of time decrypting these “hints.” It leads to many demolished relationships for a lot of neurodivergent women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 01:22 PM
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You don’t have to wonder - just a quick google search of “porn for women produced by women” will do the trick
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 07:39 PM
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Existentialism as a humanism really digs down into coming to the same conclusions as the golden rule you see in Christianity and other world religions, but from a starting point of absolute atheism and meaninglessness - it’s really quite beautiful. Myth of Sisyphus really dives into how one ought to appropriately reacting to encountering existential dread and the like, and can suck you right out of the void of thinking about the absurdity of existence without committing suicide either literally …
/r/ExRedPill14/02/24 01:55 PM
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Based on where you are philosophically now, I would definitely recommend diving into Marriage & Morals straight away. It’s a good transition piece to start with on this journey, before jumping into French Existentialism regarding sex and gender. I would then shift into The Ethics of Ambiguity by Beauvoir along with Existentialism as a Humanism by Sartre (the two were lovers after all). After that, then jump into the Myth of Sisyphus by Camus, before returning to Beauvoir’s the Second Sex. Other …
/r/ExRedPill14/02/24 01:10 PM
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How about in terms of philosophy - you pick up some Bertrand Russell. I highly recommend giving Marriage & Morals a read, as not only is it a much more approachable read than the philosophy you are accustomed to, but it’s a good read from closer to the beginnings of the women’s rights movements.
/r/ExRedPill14/02/24 11:13 AM
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Funny you should bring Ricky Gervais into this - the comedian who heavily advocates against the kids of attitudes OP is putting out <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:41 PM
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The question OP posted regards what every woman can agree on - not just 95%, but all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 11:21 AM
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Nope - wrong again - she’s actually attracted to shorter men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:54 PM
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Nope - not for every woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:14 PM
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I really like a receding hairline on a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:13 PM
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Nope - I know a woman who is specifically attracted to men smaller than her
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:12 PM
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I know a very attractive and well established woman who is now married to a man much much shorter than her - cannot be height
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:12 PM
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How he treats women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:13 AM
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I think when it comes to the dating problem of men having generalized difficulty dating, you’re putting the cart of the horse, that the difficulties dating are more so a result of mental health issues and not a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:41 AM
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Most of what makes a guy a “low quality man” are things that the man has complete control over, and could change if he wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:46 AM
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Bro, and this goes with all genders, if somebody is uprooting their entire life to pursue a lifetime relationship in a foreign country where they are not native speakers of the language, they are putting themselves in a very financially disadvantageous position and taking a lot of risk, so your ability to reliably earn is going to have a major impact on the equation. Even governments require this and require the sponsor to prove their income and meet certain financial requirements in order to sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:03 AM
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Any time that I have seen a man chewed out for having “preferences” is because he’s actually treating those stipulations as requirements rather than preferences. God forbid that guys “preference” (read requirement) is that his partner happily accepts being treated like a second class citizen at all times, has any agency and stripped from her, etc. then yeah, he’s gonna get admonished for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:59 AM
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Nobody is using abortions repeatedly in place of using any other form of birth control. Not only can they cost hundreds of dollars, even just an early medication induced abortion, but they are incredibly painful and dreadful to go through, days if not weeks of being miserable, calling out of work. It’s not like a pill you take and go about your day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:06 PM
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Who are these people using abortions in place of using other forms of birth control!?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:16 PM
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Who the hell are these people supposedly using abortions as their forms of contraception!?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:13 PM
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While living in a world where a large number of folks take issue to me having visible nipples, and I’m expected to go to great lengths and often great discomfort to something that isn’t even my genitals?Absolutely! In a society where I am not going to be shamed for the outline of my nipple being visible under clothing and I’m allowed to show cleavage without immediately opening up myself to sexual harassment and being seen as less capable? Sure, as long as folks don’t take issue with camel toe e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:55 AM
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They literally do not want to be with assholes at that age, it doesn’t matter how attractive the person is, if he’s a dick there is no desire, he’s not “high value,” regardless of how physically attractive he is, these men become very unattractive and are considered “low value.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:41 AM
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This is true for younger demographics, people who have yet to reach full adult maturity. Priorities change as people mature; younger people tend to prioritize looks wayyy above their even slightly older counterparts who prioritize personality traits and interaction style.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:23 AM
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Yeah - you shouldn’t date somebody with the intention of dumping them in the not too distant future without being upfront about your intentions. This is especially the case if you’re going to want her to make the financial decision to move in with you. At the end of the day, if it’s YOU who want the relationship to be temporary, then it’s YOU who should be taking the burden of financial risk of having to figure out a new housing situation when the relationship ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:16 AM
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You do have lots of communities set up for doing this - there are many already in your community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:19 AM
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They are called churches - go visit one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:16 AM
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Little bro seriously thinks he came up with a new idea - when all he is doing is describing a church
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:15 AM
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There is a community for that though - it’s called a church! There’s several already in your local community, go visit one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:14 AM
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I think for most, it isn’t actually a matter of settling, but instead a change in priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:41 PM
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Depends on how the prenup is written.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:33 PM
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I did read - but I’m asking about men. Do you just not ever buy drinks for anybody? If you do, What are the reasons that you would buy a drink for another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:30 PM
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Do you not understand that a woman can both have large breasts and be physically fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:43 PM
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That’s not always the case, just the case for misogynists. If you buy another guy you’re having a great conversation with who is giving you great information on how to grow your business a drink, is it because you want to smash him?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:56 AM
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Yes, and that would be cheating. But it’s the actions of the woman, and not how she is dressed which makes it cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:54 AM
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Men do not have to wear tight fitting undergarments to support their buttocks to allow them to exercise. Also men have the luxury of taking off their tops entirely when they are too hot. No, women don’t constantly think about sex, especially not when they are exercising.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:50 AM
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Taking part in exercise shouldn’t be encouraged with all the obesity?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:48 AM
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Maybe for you it does. But there are many situations where men buy other men they just met at the bar drinks because they are having good conversation. The same thing happens between men and women. There are also networking events where people are building business and other sorts of non sexual relationships with others in the community, where this happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:32 AM
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This is only true in settings when the drink is gotten for the woman in the approach. There are plenty of situations where a man will purchase a woman a drink in the midst of a conversation that is not sexual or flirtatious in any manor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:06 AM
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I think we can all agree that purposely flirting for women constitutes cheating. Where the conflict arises is when dressing up when going out without your significant other constitutes and attempt to flirt. There are many more reasons women dress up in this context that have nothing to do with free drinks and exchanging in flirtation. I go to clubs on my own to see artists that I enjoy perform. I dress up for social reasons. I get treated better by everybody, especially other women and especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:02 AM
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No, it feels good because it’s hot where I’m at, and I’m sweaty. By wearing a plunging neckline, the third armpit known as my cleavage is able to breathe a bit and not get so stanky. That is what makes it feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 01:48 AM
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My body count is 0, I’ve never killed anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:43 PM
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The same way that the existence of Oompa Loompa’s explains things like gangbang fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:44 PM
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I would ask why is it needed? Even if possible, not all individuals would want to, so it wouldn’t alleviate the need for society to get over its bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:11 PM
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My responsibilities are what me and my partner agree that they are within the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 03:36 AM
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The biggest downsize is gonna be cost, which is going to be way more expensive than adoption and surrogacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:52 PM
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It’s only a remedy for those who can afford it. And even for them, there are already remedies, such as adoption or surrogacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:05 PM
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That’s because the negative impacts seen in these studies are the impacts of poverty, which is much more prevalent in single mother households than it is single father households.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:56 PM
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It really depends on the dynamics of the relationship, particularly if within the relationship the woman is being expected or her value/worth is being judged against traditional gender roles, especially if those dynamics go against how she would typically act.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:31 PM
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There are clothes made to fit every shape and size in existence. One can be obese and wear clothes that are properly fitted on them, and one can be a healthy weight and wear I’ll fitting clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:39 PM
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Lol - it is for half of them, as only 50% of men who identify as single are even looking to be in a relationship or even casual dating based on the same study. Meanwhile, only 1/7 men pluck or wax their eyebrows. Of men who have the average size waist measurement, nearly 90% are putting themselves into pants of a smaller sized measurement https://www.npr.org/2014/07/25/332641840/the-average-american-man-is-too-big-for-his-britches A large majority of men don’t do basic things that would help the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:31 AM
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Where do you go to get your eyebrows mapped and waxed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:02 AM
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Okay, here’s the thing. Women have really only had the ability to make a meaningful and lasting change on society as a whole, for only about 100 years or so, men have had this impact for millennia. When it comes to change, the baseline is a society nearly entirely created by men for men. But remember, we are still in a transition period, this societal change doesn’t happen overnight. Each and every woman is still being held to gender expectation or norm that they disagree with in someway. For so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 12:55 AM
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You’re confused, because you’re only looking at one part of the study, and not the study as a whole… yes, in this study, women found 80% of the guys to be below average attractiveness…. However, when you looked at who they messaged, it tells a complete different story <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:16 PM
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My man is a lot like this, and I love him so much. He’s also super duper masculine. I get aggravated when guys act like this behavior is the opposite of masculinity, because in actuality, a guy can be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:03 PM
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Most of the baseline of attractiveness that needs to be met, are things that men have complete control over. Things like proper grooming, clothes that are proper fitting and flattering to the body shape, haircut, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:56 PM
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When you approach a woman to talk to her, engage with her as a person, not as an object. Don’t go “you’re so beautiful” or “you caught my eye” and stuff like that, these are treating her as an object. Instead, approach her as a person, chat about literally anything that isn’t her body or how she looks. Weather, the music playing, asking about what she’s drinking, literally anything else. If this is something you struggle with, you can comment on her taste, like the way she styled her hair, her s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:55 PM
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That doesn’t answer my question - what is the benefit to the mother? In order to have a conclusive test, you need to test the mother, so what’s the benefit to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:42 PM
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I advocate against circumcision at birth, and it very much is an issue. Your argument is unsound.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:33 PM
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There are 100,000 UNTESTED rape kits just sitting around in the US. They haven’t even run the DNA through existing criminal databases https://ualr.edu/socialchange/2021/03/31/the-injustice-of-americas-rape-kit-backlog/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:08 PM
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So I’m addition to advocating for human rights violations, you also don’t understand how accurate paternity testing works. SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:14 AM
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I don’t argue with people who advocate for committing human rights violations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:37 AM
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What medical benefit does a forced paternity test serve the mother exactly? Especially if there is only one person who could possibly be the father?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:03 AM
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So she should cycle back to the people who messaged her in the first few hours of creating a profile once a month - what about the rest then? Or the people she actually might be interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:49 AM
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Forcing people to undergo medical procedures that serve them no medical benefit is a human rights violation. Human rights violations are not an “easy fix”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:26 AM
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It’s really cute that you think the overwhelming amount of DMs women get on dating apps would only take 30 minutes to sort through. Like it’s really worse than you think, especially on apps where they can just message you out of the blue without you granting them permission though something as small as a right swipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 01:57 AM
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This document has gone through multiple reviews by people who are the top experts in their field. Not once does any definition of “made to penetrate” contain the term “unwanted” as a part of its criteria. This is done multiple times. The general overall definition of sexual violence, also does not contain the requisite for it to be “unwanted.” You are jumping to conclusions that are not supported by the text, meanwhile advocating that these experts are making some massive fucking oversight or er…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:52 PM
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I didn’t read it wrong - because the made to penetrate definition under alcohol/substance intoxication does not contain the term unwanted, merely that the victim was unable to provide consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:36 PM
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SMH Fatness is not a moral failing FFS
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:25 PM
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https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/26326
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:19 PM
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This is not the legal definition, and I never said it was. These are the definitions used by the CDC in its surveillance statistics… big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:05 PM
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Question - do you agree that women are more frequently sexually assaulted than men, since you disagree with the definitions utilized by any study which would say otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:45 PM
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Yes it does according to the uniformed definitions of the CDC https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/26326
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:01 PM
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I don’t feel that way at all. I merely acknowledge that there exist many men who who experienced CDC defined sexual assault in the form of “made to penetrate” who do not experience trauma. Like when they are sober, they say “I am going to get drunk as fuck and get A girl to give me head” and then they do just that, are proud of it, and even brag about it to their buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:59 AM
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Because women are not a monolith, and while some woman say the types of things you mention, others don’t and genuinely enjoy casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:36 AM
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There are instances of what meets the definitions of sexual assault that do not cause trauma. There are individuals who go out and get intoxicated for the sole purpose of hooking up with somebody whilst intoxicated , and engage in sexual acts that they would have consented to regardless of their level of intoxication who do not experience trauma, even though they meet the modernized definitions of being sexual assault victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:13 AM
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From what I’ve seen in my male friends, the level of trauma really depends on the nature of the sexual assault, and please bear in mind that I am using the newest CDC definitions of male sexual assault that include made to penetrate statistics; Many male sexual assault victims undergo a considerable amount of trauma. This is particularly common men who were raped compared to those in the made to penetrate category. Those who experience this trauma are entitled to every level of care and compassi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:07 AM
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You’re forgetting that forced pregnancy is recognized as a crime against humanity under the Geneva Convention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:24 AM
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But why? She can get the same outcome sexually from One of her peers who is going to have actual potential to be a lifetime partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:08 AM
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FFS bro - some women do while some women don’t. Just like some men do and some men don’t. Why do you feel the need to gender things that don’t apply to one gender or the other neatly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:02 AM
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Woah there buddy… slow down. First off increase in autism diagnosis’s is largely due to to a widening of the spectrum of traits that gets one diagnosed as autistic, in addition to historically marginalized groups who previously lacked access to autism screenings actually getting screened. But worst of all, so many of the scientific discoveries that have made our modern world what it is today - were discovered by individuals who are believed to have had autism under current diagnostic criteria. h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:31 PM
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What do you mean low?????? About between 3-5% of AFAB women of childbearing age are completely infertile. So that means if every woman who could get pregnant did, we’re talking 96% as a maximum. But of course, trans women don’t have the reproductive organs needed for pregnancy either, so we are down to 95% being the effective 100% pregnancy mark, and suddenly that 84% jumps to 88.4% of those who could potentially become pregnant. But wait, there is more!!!! We forgot lesbian women, and bisexual/…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:23 PM
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She would mention that this is most likely a result of the patriarchal structures imposed on society at the time, and not that of hypergamy as the researchers conducting the study have already hypothesized
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:05 AM
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Münecat does an thorough and excellent deep dive into this on this in one of her videos, and I highly recommend that you take a watch - the section starting at 37:42 “debunking the dating apps ‘evidence’ for hypergamy. Anything I would say would just be a less thorough breakdown of what she has put together, so I recommend giving it a watch here: https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI?si=7I2nFDZxxV_vTQNG
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 10:39 PM
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Not to mention that male fertility begins its decline in the early 40’s, so even if OP did find a younger partner, it’s going to be harder and take longer to impregnate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:17 PM
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Male fertility starts to decline in the early 40s. It will get harder and harder for you to naturally impregnate a woman as you get older
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:15 PM
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Why do we have to choose, where in many ways we are already be forced to do both? At least from a fiscal/economic perspective that is. Now if you’re asking me which one I would like to no longer be forced, it’s being forced to marry. Marriage shouldn’t be about economic stability. I’m lucky enough to have found somebody that I would choose to be with despite the economic reality, but I would still much rather not have that economic reality weighing over my head. I’m happy to work for a living, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 12:28 AM
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No, it’s more that priorities in a partner change, not “settling.” When you’re young, and not fully sure where you will be eventually setting down roots, you’re getting into relationships you know will likely end if y’all move in different directions. Sometimes, you just want company. Some of these relationships end up working out as the life courses of both partners end up matching up and it’s going well. But yeah, at this stage of dating, looks okay more of a role. However, looks take a back s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:07 AM
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Yes - with a huge fucking asterisk ***** this varies by country. Some societies put farrrr more differential qualities on the “nature” of gender than others. Lookup masculine versus feminine cultures to find some data sets on this. Most of what people place on the “nature” of genders is societally constructed rather than something actually inherent in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:07 AM
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Owning it in this case would mean wearing a proper supportive bra rather than a push up and wearing the hair in an updo that manages the hair frizz rather than trying to go for a look they can’t pull off. In general people should do things they can pull off and not fight it. I don’t understand what you are getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:47 PM
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Only if it’s done well. The ick comes from doing something that looks worse than what it would if you just let nature take its course and own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:43 PM
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I would get the ick, not from the guy balding, but the fact that he is using a toupee to hide it. I actually find fully bald men, or men with receding hair lines very attractive, however, it’s only sexy if he owns it instead of trying to hide it or cover it up. I would much rather see a guy completely shave it off, or get a haircut that compliments the hairline instead of trying to fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:43 PM
2

There is no gap. Femininity and masculinity is a spectrum, and everybody is somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:48 PM
2

It’s a good thing that evolutionary biology is BS
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:47 PM
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1, yeah, I do, but I feel pressured to hide it 2, yeah, I do this too, but I instinctively force myself to be humble 3, yeah, but I push this impulse down and it never happens. 4 fuck yeah, I make a living with these abilities, and have monetized these skills to a high degree 5 yeah, but I use the skills from #4 rather than brute force 6 I’d be just fine. as beginners, both men and women have equal potential in this area, but it’s really more socialization. As an army brat, my father felt it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:44 PM
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It’s about the same for both really. But as for what’s the difference you’re asking about? CONSENT
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:23 PM
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They are building social networks through activities they enjoy and get themselves out and about through.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:18 PM
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Exactly - it’s both parties responsibility to pay and support the child. And many women don’t have the legal option to terminate based on where they live, so they cannot do anything about it. Like, are you trying to make it even harder for men to get laid or something? Because that is exactly what this would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:48 AM
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Keep your pickle in your pants! You don’t want to be a father or have those responsibilities, don’t have sex. It takes two people to create a pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:39 AM
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In Tibet, many parts of India, the Mosou people of China, the Maasai people, the Guanches, the Zo’e tribe, the Hoa-tun, the sherpas, the Brokpas, the Gilyaks, the ancient Spartans, the ancient lacedaemonians, the Inuit people, the Aleut people, the Kanak, the Marquesans, the Bororos. Not to mention that in many cultures, there isn’t a focus on patriarchy in general, instead there is matriarchy, or a sense of shared family amongst the tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:35 AM
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See - that’s actual evolution!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:24 AM
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Nope - that’s specifically fraternal polyandry. There are many generally polyandrous societies as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:23 AM
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Evolutionarily speaking, natural selection isn’t concerned with property and inheritance rights. But also evolutionarily speaking, the penis evolved to be shaped the way it is in order to displace the semen left in females by other males.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:03 AM
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There are lots of cultures and societies across where polyandry is quite common. If this was something hardwired in the brain, you wouldn’t see this happening so frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:58 AM
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Not just STDs, but good ole fashioned UTIs
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:53 AM
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The law is contradictory in a state where abortion is practically illegal. The whole basis of your point is that the woman has the option to terminate, but you cannot write a law giving men this option on the basis that she can terminate when the law clearly says that she cannot. You are creating a whole new level of abuse to women bordering on full on additional human rights violation. What if the guy didn’t pull out when she had consented to sex on the agreement that he would withdrawal before…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:50 AM
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Well in many parts of the US, the government does because they have banned abortions, leaving her stuck. In other places, the limit for abortion happens at some point or another. Like, if you purposely unleash a bunch of termites on a persons house, you don’t loose responsibility for paying for damages because it’s the neighbors that have to authorize for termite extermination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:32 PM
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Men already have an “opt in” - they opt in to bearing responsibility for any resulting children when they agree to have sex. Should there be better laws to allow men to opt out in cases of rape? Sure should! However, putting all the responsibility on women is not the move. You “opt-in” when you agree to having sexual intercourse. Don’t want to be a father, then don’t agree to have sex. Still want to have sex but don’t want to opt-in to having financial responsibility for a child, layer up differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:15 AM
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I acknowledge that the feelings that Red pill men are having are very real, heartbreaking, and something needs to be done to help these men. HOWEVER, I largely disagree with a lot of what they attribute the issues to and/or the ways they feel society ought to change in order to rectify those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:46 AM
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It is an accusation of a deep and insidious lie when it’s within a closed relationship over 9 months old where a woman hasn’t been raped within the necessary time frame. - A maternity test would be the more appropriate form of testing to test for checking if an exchange happened. - there isn’t a point of trying to detect chimerism, as it doesn’t really affect you health wise. - women in open relationships and rape victims aren’t the ones who know with 100% certainty who the father is thereby nec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 01:50 AM
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I’m not triggered nor do I need or want a safe space - I’m here to debate destructive ideologies. You just cannot debate somebody that says “no, you’re lying because that goes against the way I think the world is”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:24 PM
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Because I’m speaking of a change that occurred, not the attraction itself. Like, if an outside observer were to ask me ten years ago and now who I thought the most attractive celebrity was, they would make the observation that my answer changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:46 AM
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If somebody has written “all” they usually really do mean “all.” - there are millions of ways to say most, ima majority, etc. of something, while there are only a few ways to express “all”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:46 AM
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To be clear, I am reserving the use of my personal experience as an argument against some post, when the post is referring to “ALL women” or “ALL ____ women.” Like where the mere existence of a counterexample falsified the statement at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:43 AM
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It’s not subjective, because it’s something verified by actual evidence. Subjective is “this person isn’t attractive” - Objective is “I used to find blond hair attractive, but I now find it unattractive” I’m not talking about an opinion, I’m speaking of the shift of the opinion that I have had. Like if you were to hook me up to those machines they use to study levels of sexual arousal ten years ago and now and show me the same series of pictures of men then and now, the pictures that would ding …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:32 AM
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That’s what I’m saying. Like for the red pulled men, I fully believe them 100% when what they say is happening to them, and that what they are experience is very real. With the systemic problems we have, I would never doubt in a million years that they are experiencing what they describe. Now the causes that they attribute it to? A lot of the time, that’s what I will disagree with, and what can get really dangerous. And there are a lot of other occasions where I do agree with the causes attribut…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:47 PM
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Just to be clear, these are not subjective things. More objective statements of something personal to me, like “the characteristics I’m attracted to now are different from the characteristics I was attracted to 10 years ago”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:26 PM
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I believe the problem is actually leading this to become an echo chamber. And to be clear, I’m specifically talking about a person saying that an individual is lying about what their views are. Let’s say somebody makes a post about how all women will only date women who make more money then them. Then I comment how I as a woman actually prefer to date men who make less money than me (100% true statement). If somebody retorts “that’s not true, you’re just lying” that’s not debate at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:50 PM
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I’ve tried to report a lot of it, but nothing seems to be done about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:38 PM
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If you’re going to say that every experience that I have and people I know have is just a lie or deception, then there is no point in arguing because even if every living soul were to tell you how their experience is entirely different from your reality, you’ve already made up my mind Have fun wallowing in your own self-pity inguess
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:25 PM
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Because when a relationship is good, long lasting and stable, sexual attraction is only like 10% of the relationship. It’s the everything else that matters most.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:25 PM
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I’m not, but you certainly seem to be, as we were not talking about circumcision at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:46 PM
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Attraction isn’t something innate, it’s something that changes all the damn time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:45 PM
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It depends on HOW the approach is made. If he approaches me and immediately started talking about my attractiveness, or how he wants my number without ever addressing me as a person - it’s an instant “hell no” However, if he approaches me as a person, that’s a different story. That could be something as simple complimenting part of my outfit, or how I styled my hair, asking me what I think about the weather, asking if I have recommendations on a good drink to order, literally anything other than…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:29 PM
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Because they have matured neurologically and emotionally into full adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:24 PM
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🤦‍♀️Firstly, as stated before we cannot even mandate medical procedures that do have significant medical benefits, as that is also a human rights violation. Secondly, The father is already consenting to the procedure, it’s the child that is not and who requires consent of both parents. Any mental health impacts of the child are caused by the family dynamics themselves, not the absence of a paternity test. Medical benefit is judged by the direct impact of the procedure on that persons overall hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:06 PM
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I agree - but mandating what is a human rights violation (forcing people to undergo medically unnecessary health procedures that serve no medical benefit to them) is not the solution. We cannot even mandate medical procedures that do have health benefits. If you have reason to believe that the child is not yours, and the mother of the child does not wish to get a paternity test, then get a damn court order. There is a process for this already.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:52 AM
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I’m not asking to change anything. I’m just pointing out that mandating paternity tests is not the step towards equality that OP suggests it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:47 AM
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Forcing a medically unnecessary procedure on somebody that has no medical benefit from that procedure being performed on them is a human rights violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:05 AM
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So if equality is so important, when are we developing technology to permanently change mens bodies, make them sick for months on end, and require them to change their diet when their partner becomes pregnant carrying their child? You’re focusing on the one sole part of pregnancy where women get the better end of the stick, and making sure you are equalizing just that aspect. Well what about the rest? If you’re not equalizing all the other parts of pregnancies where men get the better end of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:01 AM
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When he doesn’t understand the difference between sexual preferences and practicing eugenics 🚩🚩🚩 yikes!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:20 AM
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No, most people do not dabble in eugenics when selecting a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:51 PM
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And why does that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:46 PM
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Not at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:43 PM
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Sweetie, taxation is a matter of property. Medically unnecessary procedures with no medical benefit is something done to a person, not an object.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:45 PM
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If it’s not a human rights violation, how do they opt out if they don’t want to do it? What is the penalty for not doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:24 PM
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“Those women” aren’t the ones sleeping around with people they barely know. Yikes!! 🚩🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:12 PM
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You know what, that may be the case, but only because it’s instead rooted in deeply held misogynistic views about female pair bonding. For most promiscuous single women, there isn’t a broader goal beyond just getting laid. You’re being promiscuous specifically because you are not in a monogamous relationship where you are engaging in sex regularly, and you hook up with a man specifically who is looking for the same thing. You’re literally making up insecurities in your head, that are not based i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:02 PM
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Especially later in life, women’s priorities in what they look for in a partner change completely. Sexual attraction grows from attraction to the person as a person. Like, when you find a really really great companion of a man, everything about that man becomes attractive to you, even physical features that you’ve always found unattractive in other men. Hormones be weird like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:46 PM
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Where did OP say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:39 PM
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The real red flag is somebody who needs to be on medication and refuses to do so. 🚩🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:38 PM
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Because if I’m getting pregnant, it’s something I’ve planned with my spouse and something we have worked together to achieve. I personally have no qualms with adopting instead of having a biological child, so if I’m having a biological child, it’s something where I am giving up the health and state of my body, changing it irreversibly and even risking my own life in order to birth the biological child of my spouse. So to undergo this immense sacrifice of my body for my partner, only for him to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:54 AM
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You’re forgetting to add the costs of clinics for collections, and the other costs associated with having witnesses for the sample collection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:45 AM
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It’s not affordable. We are not talking at-home testing here. We are talking physical clinics where the sample collection is done by a medical professional or has some type of official witness to make sure the samples are collected properly from the correct individual with no tampering. That’s where the bulk of the cost would derive from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:44 AM
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Correction - insurance pays for medically necessary procedures and procedures that serve a medical benefit. In order to get something covered by insurance, you are required to prove to the insurance company the medical necessity. Paternity testing is neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:42 AM
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You would have to create an opt out for religious AND religious equivalent beliefs. We are talking about a medically unnecessary procedure with no medical benefit here. The number of people who uphold the notion of rejecting unnecessary medical procedures with no medical benefit is very very wide, just about everybody would be able to opt out based on religious equivalent beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:37 AM
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What are we doing to ensure that fathers don’t falsify results? A father might do this to get out of responsibility of the child, especially in a take home capacity where it would be very easy. You would need to do this in a clinical setting to ensure this couldn’t happen. But none of that really matters other than the fact that FORCING PEOPLE TO UNDERGO UNNECESSARY MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT HAVE NO MEDICAL BENEFIT TO THEM IS A MASSIVE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:29 AM
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Yes. But not all women can afford good lawyers. Why should it be on the woman to prove that the man lied to her? Like I actually would advocate for a financial abortion before a woman no longer has the ability to abort. Even if she could take him to court because he lied to her up until she lost the ability to abort, let’s say she had that financial ability, you cannot get your pre-pregnancy body back through a lawsuit or anything of the like, and it’s really not of much use if you die carrying …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:03 AM
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Because you’re saying that men will have the ability to swiftly “financially abort,” long after the woman looses her ability to abort the fetus. You are creating a whole new avenue of abuse where a man can convince that he will be taking care of the child, and then just dip out after she can no longer abort. Like, even if she puts the kid up for adoption, kids don’t just pop out like a person poops, there are serious health impacts and risk of death from carrying a pregnancy to term. A woman lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:43 AM
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Yikes 🚩🚩🚩 looks like somebody wants to strip women of their agency
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:36 AM
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So you would require that medically unnecessary testing be done on in a circumstance where the conducting of that medically unnecessary testing could directly result in a miscarriage? Yikes!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:33 AM
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No way, financial abortions would need to take place before the abortion takes place and/or when the opportunity is still available. Too many men could purposely “spread their seed” and convince a woman to keep the child and then opt out when it’s too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:30 AM
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Wait? Are you seriously suggesting that the paternity tests be pre-natal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:27 AM
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A few questions: Who is paying for this medically unnecessary procedure? What’s steps are being taken to ensure that the father isn’t falsifying results for nefarious reasons? What mechanisms would there be for the mother to dispute the test results and require the reported father to re-test or conduct some sort of additional testing on him? What exemptions will apply to this mandatory testing? Will people be able to voluntarily opt out?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:25 AM
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Yikes 🚩🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:31 PM
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In the situation nothing is being withheld from the dad. They have worked together to make this planned pregnancy a reality. The dad already has the medical information that the child is his because she has literally already informed him that he is definitely the father. Yikes! Just yikes! If you want a kid, adopt, and don’t put a woman through your lying bullshit 🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:10 PM
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The kid in this situation is already the fathers, there is no need to confirm from the mothers perspective, because unless that child is the second coming of Jesus that child is the child of who she says it is. The wife has not been withholding the medical info, the biological father is making up doubts in his head. However, getting a test done without informing the mother of the test is withholding medical information from the mother. The fact the child is getting a separate paternity test done…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:57 PM
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🚩🚩🚩Yikes!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:13 PM
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No sweetie. This is after I have stated where I am at on the matter. If you don’t see what’s wrong with that, you really need to take a good hard look at yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:10 PM
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When he starts making up facts that are easily disproven to support his argument 🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:20 AM
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Wait? I’m confused, you’re the one literally advocating for lying in this situation, by withholding information about your child’s medical information from your spouse to get a second test done that has nothing to do with the health of a child, and god forbid she catches you or figures out what’s up, you’re the one making the plan to not only gaslight her in addition to manipulating her family and her fiends view of her to get her to comply with your stupid unethical scheme. Like stay the fuck a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:17 AM
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FFS this is not something in nature. Gender differences are strictly a societal construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:12 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:10 AM
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Because gene testing of the parents in a planned pregnancy is something you do before getting pregnant to evaluate the risks of certain things BEFORE procreating. And also, you cannot pull this off without literally withholding medical information about your child from your spouse, which you cannot do without a court order. So are you going to get the provider to risk their career to lie to your spouse? She has every right to be made aware of that test and she will be aware of that test, so yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 11:19 PM
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Oh wow! It’s almost as though there are lots of men out there who form lifetime partnerships with women, and stay with them, and their attraction is based on something other than looks or her body! It’s almost like the notion that it’s all about looks is a view only a subsection of men actually adhere to in their romantic lives! Who would have thought!?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:57 PM
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🚩🚩🚩when he cannot even correctly identify what he said that qualifies as abuse🚩🚩🚩 “And I will absolutely call her insane in front of her entire family and social circle after I [attempted to manipulate her]” Yikes!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:48 PM
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I’m allowed to hate abusers and the game they play. I’m justified in doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:18 PM
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Any guy who tries to tell me what my thoughts/feelings/opinions/motivations/desires “actually are.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:17 PM
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Have you actually asked any of the women you have dated why they didn’t compliment you? What did they say?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:04 PM
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Not a single woman I know when discussing these types of matters has ever expressed that they would purposely withhold basic and easy affection in order to manipulate their emotions in any way. I’m sorry to hear that you’ve gotten into what sounds like a string of toxic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:36 PM
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It’s not a blind trust sweetie. It’s something we worked on together.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:34 PM
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Yup - toxic behavior too, and abusive. Also grounds for a divorce. How about you just stay away from women if this is how you intend on treating them. No woman deserves to be the victim of psychological and social abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:32 PM
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This is flagrant manipulation and lying which is also grounds for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:22 PM
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Oh - I’d give him his damn paternity test he insisted on, and I’d hand him the results showing him that the child is in fact his along with divorce papers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:22 PM
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Well, if my partner were to insist on a patertinity test before working together to get me pregnant, I’d just opt not to have biological children with him, we can adopt instead. I have no qualms with having an adopted child over a biological child of my own, so I’d be having a biological child because he specifically wanted to have one. I’m not putting my body through all that in order to give him a biological child of his own if he’s not going to trust that it’s actually his. So if he wants to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:19 PM
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Plenty of women will validate their male partners and purposely stroke his ego because they love their partner and know it’s makes him feel better about himself than he would otherwise. If you’re having this problem, it sounds like a you problem of either picking women who don’t have this kind of compassion, or your behavior making them unwilling to act this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:36 PM
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Oh my god - my biggest pet peeve is when they do that but to explain to me what my personal feelings on something are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:24 PM
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Yeah - mansplaining is definitely reserved for individual to individual communication. Group communication is a completely different dynamic unless you’re a man talking to a group of only women explaining something that women will automatically have a greater knowledge of than you by virtue of being women (think basics about menstruation or bras or something along those lines). As long as you are justifiably aware that a portion of the group you are speaking to requires an explanation, it’s not …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:39 AM
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Yeah, no… if anything my partner would have trouble keeping up with me on those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:47 AM
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No… why would finances or career or intellect be something to fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:05 AM
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Where would you say the line is between appropriate use of the term versus inappropriate use of the term?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:23 AM
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Nope no way. Red pill ideology is a threat to the larger society as a whole. In the broader Manosphere, we’ve seen an entire grift economy form, dragging people into these ideologies in order to make a quick buck off of them. The people just starting to look into these ideologies, and haven’t been fully sucked in are going to stumble onto this subreddit. We need people fighting back and not let this become yet another echo chamber for these philosophies, so that those that can still be dissuaded…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:22 AM
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Yeah, this is why I clarified it depends on what definition you’re using, as some definitions include fear and people who are threatening.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:21 PM
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Yeah - I’m only intimidated by men in the sense of things that I fear. Reckless behavior can be up there as well. I’m not intimidated by smarts, promiscuity, salary, looks, any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:20 PM
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So being paid a high salary to advise people on a topic doesn’t make somebody an expert? Should we just fire all paid professional experts because they are not actually experts then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:23 PM
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I’ll give a more concrete example. I am a professional expert on the American Healthcare system, and I was discussing health insurance issues with a person, and how the models of different countries are far better than what we have in the states. The guy disagreed with me and felt that the US system was the best. I had already used terminology that showed I was very knowledgeable about healthcare and how different systems work. He then felt the need to explain to me, “you see the way health insu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:00 PM
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I acknowledge that simply explaining things to people is perfectly normal and fine. I’m specifically referring to when somebody explains a topic they are already discussing under the assumption they have no knowledge of the topic with no justification for that assumption. For example, if I were to explain to you how comment threads in Reddit work, that would be an example of this type of behavior, as I have no justification to beleive that you don’t know that information.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:58 AM
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I’m not saying that at all. Mansplaining is a part of a large gender dynamic where an individual hops to assuming that the woman doesn’t know the basics of something, and doesn’t have any justification for that assumption. Generally, people when engaged on a specific topic don’t automatically jump to the conclusion that somebody has no knowledge on the topic that they are already discussing, because they already are discussing that topic with knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:49 AM
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Depends on your definition of intimidation. I don’t date men who are prone to violent outbursts, as I find that very intimidating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:43 AM
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When have you gotten called out like that in a situation when a woman showed absolutely no knowledge of a subject? Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:38 AM
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I’ll give a more concrete example. I am a professional expert on the American Healthcare system, and I was discussing health insurance issues with a person, and how the models of different countries are far better than what we have in the states. The guy disagreed with me and felt that the US system was the best. I had already used terminology that showed I was very knowledgeable about healthcare and how different systems work. He then felt the need to explain to me, “you see the way health insu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:33 AM
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You’re a man. It’s not mansplaining by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:26 AM
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I mean, if the man is explaining something that she already knows without asking if she’s familiar with the principal, it’s mansplaining, because it’s based on the assumption that she doesn’t know rather than the knowledge that she doesn’t know. That by nature is condescending when it’s such basic 101 level knowledge on a particular topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:17 AM
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It’s so bad. Like I struggle with my gender identity here in the US because of all the extra BS expectations we place on gender. I don’t have the same dysphoria elsewhere and I just get to be the woman I am, instead of a bad version of a woman not living up to societies expectations of what a woman ought to be. I cannot wait to leave for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:15 PM
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Yeah - that’s what makes mansplaining mansplaining. You assume a persons knowledge instead of inquire, or in your case, instead of read the comments above where the knowledge base is covered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:02 PM
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Stop assuming that when women reach their thirties they are deciding to “settle” they honestly aren’t settling, their priorities have changed. They aren’t picking the nice guy whose not conventionally attractive because they cannot get the hot guy whose an asshole to commit to them. No, they don’t want to be with the asshole at all anymore and want to be with a guy who she genuinely feels will be her lifetime companion. The hot guy assholes she’s not even attracted to anymore, so stop calling it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:36 PM
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Little bro he was mansplaining, and using all caps to do it, so yeah, of course I’m gonna call him out on it, because mansplaining is rude as hell. I’ve already explained how I am very familiar with dating culture in the EU, and how I am well aware enough of the differences in gendered expectations to have a preference for the EU over the US. So coming in and attempting to explain the very basics and even mere existence of differences is the literal definition of mansplaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:27 PM
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Being able to acknowledge that your salary is high, and valuing money are two different things. But it sometimes does take a high school education to understand such nuance, so I understand if that’s something that went over your little head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:27 PM
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Because your saying women in my shoes value money - I don’t value money and give up on a higher salary purposefully for more altruistic things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:15 PM
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Yeah - I’m not even in the private sector. I’m actually taking a massive pay cut from what I would be making in the private sector because I went to help people and make the world a better place. This insecure reaction from men has nothing to do with the woman being pushy or intolerable, or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:08 PM
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What studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:45 PM
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Why would I get into a committed relationship with somebody who is going to cheat on me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:44 PM
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Why would he be having sex with other women if we are in a committed monogamous relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:29 PM
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Who said anything about getting married 🤣🤣🤣 outside of the third world, countries have ways for people to legally commit to one another without getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:25 PM
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Multiple instances of men refusing to go out on dates, because they couldn’t afford to pay for the date. I had no problems paying for the dates as I could afford it, and I wanted to go out. Well, that wasn’t okay either because “what would people think” about me paying and not him. Which whatever, fine, but then these men would make a stink about me wanting to go out on my own too, “people will think you don’t have a boyfriend if you’re out by yourself.” So I would let the guy know “well you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:10 PM
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I’m not the one turning it into the competition. I’d be working around the house, and ask for a little help. They would reply “I’ve been working all week already, can’t you just do it?” And then I would remind them that I too had been working all week too, and just as hard as him, and I’m stuck doing it all by myself. That’s when the “well my job is more important because I make more money” bull crap. I dumped his ass gladly. ETA - The whole masculine/feminine dialing energy obsession, is shit y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:36 PM
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Is your keyboard broken or something? It just started spitting out all caps for no reason whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:20 PM
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I’ve found so far that it’s largely a U.S./ rest of third world thing so Far. Like in a lot of the EU, the attitude men have towards a woman earning by more is “great! More money for the household for us to live good lives together.” I think part of my experience, especially with higher earning men, is that my career is rather prestigious and profound in its societal impact, which is what I think has made the past treatment state side even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:46 PM
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Yeah - that’s not what’s happening. Hi, high-earning woman here. I have had nothing but bad experiences dating men who make more money than me, always turns into a competition or “my job is more important because I make more money” type BS. On the other side of the coin, many men who make less than me get so fucking insecure it’s intolerable, and their insecurities destroy the relationship. So what did I do? Oh yeah, I started seeking men outside the country in places that don’t have these screw…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:33 PM
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Nope - it actually happens. Had it happen to me once, same job, same experience, he was offered $4k more a year than I was. Had to throw up a fight and got others on my side in order to get it rectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:14 PM
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Most “revenge porn” is actually pornography made by consenting pornographic actors and is simply recorded and edited to look like an at-home amateur sex tape or what have you so that it can be marketed as “revenge porn” without all the legal consequences. So no, not comparable to revenge porn in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:56 AM
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Honey, being able to defend your property with lethal force has nothing to do with defending your life. Actual persons trump things every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:00 AM
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Because neither of them are capable of giving informed consent. Let’s say two drunk drivers in two different cars hit each other and each suffers from severe bodily injury, they are still both guilty of drunk driving and causing bodily harm to another individual. Let’s say that an inebriated individual forcibly raped somebody who was sober, like used physical force when they were telling them no. The inebriated individual still raped that woman even though he was not of clear mind because he was…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:21 PM
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This isn’t a question of the law, it is a question of right and wrong. Sober Individuals who got attacked by a stranger assailant who raped them while the screamed “no” and “stop” can’t even get their cases investigated, much less lead to arrest, much less go to court, much less lead to an actual conviction, much less that conviction actually leading to a jail sentence. So given the current climate, let’s leave what would happen in a courtroom out of it, because rape cases rarely get that far. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:37 PM
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I am a big proponent of Romeo and Juliet laws. In some states, the age of consent might be 16, however for those under 16 and over 14, it is not considered statutory rape if the parties are within a 4 year age difference of each other (in a state where high school last four years so the two could go to school together). I argue that rules regarding sex between two CONSENTING minors should be handled this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:39 AM
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I think we are talking different alcohol levels. For example, the guy in the video is very expressionless, he has that blank face you get from heavy intoxication, that’s the level of intoxication that I feel goes across the line of too intoxicated to consent. The girl is more in that gray area. I’m definitely not talking just tipsy, I’m talking too intoxicated to maintain trains if thought and speech meaning that you are also too intoxicated to consent. A lot also falls upon the situation betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:34 AM
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And how is that under threat exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:36 AM
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If they have reason to believe that the consent likely would not have otherwise been given had they not been intoxicated, and they are aware that the other is too intoxicated to provide consent, then yes. This isn’t a huge black or white thing, there is a good bit of nuance to be spoken of in terms of prior circumstances. In this particular video posted by OP, I would argue that the man would be the victim as he is definitely another level of incoherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:17 AM
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I would argue to the contrary. At least in the US, of every 100 women who report rape to the police, only 18 reports will lead to an arrest. Rapists are usually never held accountable for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:45 PM
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What law where?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:41 PM
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No, rape is sexual intercourse without consent
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:37 PM
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Rape rarely gets prosecuted even when both parties are sober, so you’re talking about a very rare scenario when you bring up prosecution. but yes, they would both be guilty of rape if they are knowledgeable of the fact that the other individual is heavily intoxicated. We don’t let drunk drivers off the hook because they were too intoxicated to make a good decision, why should a different standard apply to other crimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:29 PM
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Yes they do. Rape is rape regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:15 PM
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No they don’t. Intoxicated individuals are unable to provide consent regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:11 PM
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I’m literally not, and I have informed you of this multiple times already. Get a fucking grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:55 PM
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I did read the post, and I specifically didn’t use any gendered language for a reason. So why don’t you get your head out of your ass and stop creating narratives that are literally not there, which you have already been told twice now are not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:50 PM
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I specifically didn’t use any gendered language for a reason. How about you go back and re-read my statement yet again more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:47 PM
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I specifically didn’t use any gendered language for a reason. How about you go back and re-read my statement more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:44 PM
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Bro - the people in this video are visibly intoxicated, it doesn’t matter what their intentions are because none of them are capable of providing consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:40 PM
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Both individuals are visibly intoxicated, that’s not cock blocking, that preventing rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:38 PM
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This also applies to neurodiverse individuals. Disabilities do not keep you from being involved in your community, especially in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:43 PM
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And what fundamental rights are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:03 PM
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Conservatives in the United States are actively fighting against my right to an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:24 PM
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For most places, $70k for a family of four is only a little past barely scraping by. Look at the ALICE report of any given area for a more accurate picture. ALICE thresholds don’t even include clothing costs, extracurricular activities for children, hobbies/interests, or travel. Just being able to cover the essentials without having any money left to take part in activities for enjoyment is not “doing just fine.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:46 PM
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Nope - I was dating a guy for a while who was for all intents and purposes a virgin before dating me. The deal-breakers that made me dump him was his combination of infrequent binge-drinking and xenophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:37 PM
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This is definitely the case. Why would a woman want to date somebody who doesn’t believe that their fundamental human rights should be kept in tact?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:32 PM
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Hah - If a guy I was at some point interested in got with a significantly younger woman, I would be thankful that I didn’t end up with that walking red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:31 PM
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Engage with your community, do some volunteer work, go to community events and markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:55 AM
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Well it’s a good thing that friendships are only one of many types of relationships you can build in social circles. For instance, a class mate is a classmate as long as the two people are in the same class together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:52 AM
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He’s no right though - sexual conservatism is innately harmful. The only harms he is referring to are those which are easily rectified through sexual education.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:34 AM
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His logic is clearly unsound, and everyone would know that if they just look up the supposed facts he is citing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:21 AM
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Wow - you know a post is full of BS when you’re calling people who disagree with you “disingenuous and unintelligent,” but I digress. For starters, how obese are you that you have trouble washing your midsection? Normal healthy people don’t have this problem. Secondly, look up your own claims before posting, todays youth are having less sex than generations before them, not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:22 AM
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Not very - here’s how much of the discussion goes down Man: All women are __. Me: actually that’s not the case, I am a women and I am not __ therefore not all women are _. Man: no, you actually are __, you’re just lying. Yeah - 80% of discussions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:00 PM
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My minimum is around $35k a year. So no, that is not always the answer. And it’s an indisputable fact that this is not always, and not even most commonly the case. Somewhere around 60% of men are living with their romantic partner they are in a long term relationship, meanwhile less than 15% of all households have a combined annual household income of $200k or more. The reason you see it in all these videos, is because they are cherry picking the minority of women who hold this standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:15 PM
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Lol “Don’t judge people” but then goes on to do state what both men and women want and how they feel. Newsflash, not everybody thinks the same way you do. Get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:56 PM
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You know - the old “pump and dump” wouldn’t be so problematic for women if folks didn’t keep treating women with multiple sexual partners as being of lesser women or of lower moral character. If folks would just drop this archaic view of sex, there wouldn’t be so much damage done by a “pump and dump” situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:13 PM
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If you find that strengthening friendship bonds and engagement within your larger community to be “nothing” then that’s the actual problem you are having.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:59 PM
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No - the size of your social circle is something you have full control of. If it’s not a big enough circle, make it bigger. Get hobbies that take you out of the house, get involved in your community, volunteer somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:56 PM
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Please show me these women being jealous of loosing guys to other women? Like, if a guy goes for somebody else, he was never yours in the first place. It’s perfectly normal and healthy for individuals to get their career and where they want to set down roots before finding a lifetime partner that fits within those parameters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:21 AM
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Because the traditional gender roles are constantly being pressured onto them, especially in the dating market. If a guy wants a woman to take on a traditional gender role, it’s only fair that he be expected to reciprocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:12 AM
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Not when it comes to patterns of thinking and philosophies. Those types of things have more to do with other aspects of a persons life than their gender anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:27 PM
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So there is not a single way of thinking that applies to even a majority (as in over 50%) of women. Any way of thinking is only going to apply to a minority of women. You may find some small singular opinions that don’t tell you much that a majority might have, like “I like my partner to be taller than me.” But as far as anything you can actually extrapolate greater meaning from, it’s just not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:41 PM
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No - really - the widely held view in psychology with regards to this phenomena shows that these men were always gay, and that it was intense societal conditioning that caused them to not realize and accept it until much later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:52 PM
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You are literally taking a series of opinions and views which a small minority of women hold and asserting that it applies to a large majority of not all women. It’s only a small very emotionally unstable women who think the way you are asserting that think the way you are prescribing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:25 PM
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You can’t label just any view as misogynistic. There are lots of views about women that are not misogynistic at all. In order for a viewpoint to be misogynistic it has to be prejudiced against women. In order to be prejudiced, it needs to be a view that is contrary to reason and contradicts reality. I am a woman, and I do not think the way that OP suggested. If your entire viewpoint to the contrary requires you to assume that any woman who’s mere existence disproves your premise is lying about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:13 AM
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No - misogynists are people who hold misogynistic views. The entire premise that the female psyche is so simplistic that all women share the same set of motivations when selecting a partner is a deeply misogynistic view. Therefore all individuals who hold this perspective are misogynists by definition. That’s not dismissing every contrary opinion as misogyny, that is calling out a singular specific viewpoint as misogyny. However, I will acknowledge that if individual holds the aforementioned mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:42 AM
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That’s not correct, although I would acknowledge that there is a large group of misogynists who certainly perceive it that way, but that doesn’t make it correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:30 AM
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You shouldn’t be making generalizations in these discussions. Period. You can acknowledge that a large population of women holds a certain view, and discuss how to approach dating with women that hold that viewpoint. But these aren’t differences between the sexes, and these attitudes are not something attributable to a specific sex, they only apply to a certain subsection of a sex. The entire premise that the entirety of a single sex acts a certain way or thinks a certain way is undeniably false…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:19 PM
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Your entire argument is unsound - women are not a hive mind that all think the same things with regards to this topic, or any other topic for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:07 PM
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Yes I do - which is why any man asserting that all vulvas feel the same is very telling
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:01 PM
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It’s because the first 1.5 inches are pretty similar, so these men are just going off of the limited experiences they have available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:46 PM
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I mean - if you don’t want any of the men’s issues to be addressed you can feel free to do that. The men’s issues often cited by those calling for one to exist will be resolved by bringing down the same patriarchy that feminists are trying to eliminate…. So if you don’t want to support the feminist movement, you can do that, just don’t go crying about the mens issues that you are actively fighting against.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:15 PM
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If you want there to be a men’s rights movement, then go make one, go do something about it. If you’re not going to do something about it, then stop complaining because you are thereby part of the problem. It is not the responsibility of women to stand up a men’s rights movements, especially when women are still fighting for the basic rights that the women’s rights movement was started for to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:53 PM
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Why should a movement created and pushed forward by women seeking to rectify and eliminate the disadvantages faced by women be focused on men? If men feel they are so heavily disadvantaged, then they should push forward their own movement, and stop complaining that women aren’t doing it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:06 PM
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I’m facepalming so hard right now - you clearly have an inaccurate perception of what privilege means. Male privilege is the system of advantages that are available to men on the basis of their sex. None of what you stated disproves male privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:47 AM
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Oh my gosh - it’s almost as though what women in this sun have been screaming at the top of their lungs is actually the case - that the selection of a long-term partner is primarily based on factors having to do with his personality, and not his money/status/looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:06 AM
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TRP gives lots of bad advice, all while claiming to have “secrets society doesn’t want you to know” that they will reveal to you if you pay them. Münecat does a really great deep dive into the various grifts involved in this space I reccomend checking out https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI?si=2AE1JE9mC2jpHj9R
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:01 PM
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Please provide specific examples of situations where women’s opinions trump any amount of facts a man could provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:11 PM
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The men on here only represent a very small subsection of the male population, specifically a small group being targeted by TRP grifting manosphere. You cannot make assumptions about the nature of all men based on the men that you see in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:07 PM
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I’ve had nothing but bad experiences dating attorneys, especially conventionally attractive ones. So many ego issues that are an instant turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:28 PM
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A lot of people do appreciate it, on both sides, when one partner pays for both, even those who don’t feel it should be expected. It’s a nice thing to do, and in relationships, both partners do nice things for each other. But that’s not a gendered expectation, that’s just how relationships generally work, it’s a way of showing affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:09 PM
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Yeah, that statistic isn’t accurate. Funnily enough, men are much more likely to feel that men have an obligation to pay than women do. In a survey, less than half of women agreed that men should be expected to pay for the first date, compared to 63% of men… https://www.cnbc.com/amp/select/who-pays-on-the-first-date/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:32 PM
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Okay - refusing to consider dating somebody who literally agrees with you that men shouldn’t be held up to the expectations you are against, because you have gone and labeled them all “ugly purple haired man dating” is not a struggle sweetie. It’s just a you problem…. If you want to date a woman who upholds traditional gender roles, then you should expect for her to expect you to uphold traditional gender roles as well. If you don’t want to be upheld to those standards, which most feminists agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:26 PM
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Wow dude, who put a tampon up your butt? If you don’t want the traditional standards to be expected of you, the people who specifically fight against gendered standards aren’t going to hold you to them. However, not even they will want to date somebody with the kind of pisspoor attitude that results in calling all women who hold a speficic view “ugly purple haired man hating”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:14 PM
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There is an easy solution to this “problem” - date a feminist that doesn’t beleive in traditional gender roles. It’s really that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:05 PM
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TRP ideology is currently being pushed and proliferated by grifters, they prey on their loneliness, provides them an easy scapegoat to blame, and then they use the horrid views towards women in order to convince them that there are secrets about how to get women “that the world doesn’t want you to know,” that they will share with them for the low cost of hundreds of dollars as a part of a broader coaching scam. In actuality, these “courses” teach men To be truly reprehensible towards women, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:11 AM
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Oh I am all too well aware of the socioeconomic component, however that’s not really going to apply to the vast majority of the shallow privileges that men are going to list here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:49 AM
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Men have more privileges definitely. And yes, many in here will be listing off privileges that some women have, however for the most part those privileges are only reserved for conventionally attractive women, and not all women as a whole, so they really shouldn’t be counted in a strict make versus female privilege comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:21 AM
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Never - I deserve better than a man for whom I have to compete with other women for his affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:33 AM
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Yeah, anybody demanding over $1,000 is somebody that just wants the status symbol of something expensive. I mean, for some individuals, especially those who work with their hands, there could be an argument to be made surrounding a platinum ring, which ups the cost significantly. And there is something to be said for taste, you’re gonna wear it every day, it should be the style you like and have a certain level of valence with your hand. Go too small with the stones, and it can look rather off b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:07 PM
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Iron rusts and corrodes, and it’s not suitable for the style of prongs found in said engagement ring due to its mold ability. Aluminum is also too malleable for these prong type settings. Tungsten rings cannot be resized, and yes, your ring size changes over the years. A lot of these are great for other types of jewelry or even rings, just not the traditional style defined in my original post. Technically, for scratch resistance itself, you can go down to an 8 which gives you topaz and Cubic Zir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:49 PM
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Interesting… How are the stones set on the ring?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:28 PM
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I’ve blown through several of the silver and CZ rings, and I’ve been looking for a new one (I’ll wear fake engagement rings in certain situations), and now I’ve been getting lots of ads for places like modern gents, which is really costume jewelry at best. I’ve been seeing an awful lot of men disparaging women “who think they’re too good” for such an engagement ring, and it’s really been bothering me because there is a very non-stuck up reason for expecting certain materials for the purpose. Per…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:15 AM
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I wouldn’t - why throw away a long lasting loving relationship for a fling?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:14 AM
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It’s about relationship politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:06 AM
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Nope - just a stop calling women materialistic for turning down a silver ring if you’re expecting her to wear it every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:05 AM
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I’m just sick of seeing folks saying that women having requirements like gold rings over silver for an engagement ring in and of itself is always materialistic. If you’re partner is expecting you to do the whole engagement ring thing, it’s then a non-materialistic expectation for that ring to be suitable for that sort of wear, which then means a minimum labor and materials cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:52 AM
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You’re supposed to actively avoid letting amethyst and tanzanite come into contact with hard surfaces. Concrete has a lot of quartz in it which can scratch. So not really suitable without mental load. Antique rings at that cost point have usually had their gold worn down heavily and need to have gold re-added to make them suitable for several decades of continuous wear, adding to the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:48 AM
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I will wear a fake engagement ring in certain situations where I want a sort of shield from getting hit on. A big one for me is on long airplane rides. I know exactly what can and cannot hold up to wear. The number of stones that I have had pop out of silver rings is very informative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:42 AM
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Oh yeah - like, even women who demand diamonds is a red flag. Some men, especially those that are traditionally minded, genuinely want their partner to wear the ring everyday, and if that is something that they need to be willing to pay for something suitable for that type of wear. If not, they need to drop the whole ring concept all together, use an heirloom, or agree to do the whole “I’ll get you the real ring on XYZ date.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:39 AM
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Exactly - although for very small accent stones, they can actually be the most affordable stone options. A lot of lab created gemstones have the same per carat value regardless of the size of the stone. Very small (under .2 carat) mined diamonds, also called melee diamonds, have a per carat cost that can be lower. Lab created diamonds are about $800 per carat, while melee diamonds have a $300-400 per carat price point. So the cheapest diamond rings with a prominent stone and small accent stones …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:35 AM
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That’s because they are waiting to have kids until they can afford those things. They also wait to have a second and third child until they can afford to do so. Eventually age comes up on you, and you are either physically incapable, or just so old you make the decision you don’t want to be raising non-adult children past a certain age. If you want to change this, you make sure that people are able to afford the associated costs much earlier in life. The earlier you can afford, the more kids you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:26 AM
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I dont need a ring at all… but if my partner wants to do the whole ring thing where I’m expected to wear it every day, then the ring should be suitable for every day wear. It’s such a huge mental load to maintain a ring not suited for it for years on end. This is specifically about individuals who specifically want to do the traditional ring thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:18 AM
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I clearly stated that this is the minimum for people that are opting to do a traditional engagement ring as defined, not all engagements as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:13 AM
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The only reason there is such a push is because most men will not take “no” or “I’m not interested” as an answer. If men would just move along after the initial rejection, and not turn it into a drawn-out interaction the woman is forced to deal with, it wouldn’t be such a problem. It’s why so many single women will lie and say that they have a boyfriend, as they know that many more men will take that as a complete answer, than just saying that you’re not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:30 AM
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Then you only end up buying the white colored shoes if you absolutely need to get new shoes right at that exact moment, and there are no other places to get shoes. Most people don’t wait to go shoe shopping until they are in critical need of new shoes, they start shopping for shoes when they know that they have a need of shoes coming up. Most people have more than one pair of shoes that they can wear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:25 AM
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Yeah - I specifically dump men when it’s revealed they’ve been lying to me, and I would argue that most women will do the same. Like sure, if your goal is to have uncommitted casual sex with a woman and never speak to her again once you’ve done the deed, lying can make you more successful than that. But for anything beyond that, it’s a death sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:04 AM
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Lol, if you’re having trouble dating because you have a Velcro wallet, then get new leather wallet. You can get a decent one for literally under $10 at stores like TJ Maxx
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:52 AM
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Actually, couples who don’t marry until after the age of 30 are show to be less likely to end in divorce. People who get married in their early to mid twenties have the highest rate of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:46 AM
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People aren’t putting off having kids because of taxes, they are putting it off because their wages aren’t enough to afford having kids. Make childcare affordable, make housing affordable, and more people will have kids. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:42 AM
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The second one would result in getting rejected by me right off the bat. Back when I was dating, I would refuse to go on a first date to a place of his choosing. I ALWAYS would go to a place where I knew the staff and the staff knew me for safety reasons. That was the boundary that I set up, and if any guy would choose to try to bulldoze that boundary over for whatever reason, instant red flag, and immediately unmatched.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:33 AM
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There are two groups of heavy age gap relationships and only one of them is problematic; ones where people just happened by chance to end up in one and it all works out, and those who specifically sought out that type of relationship and refuse to date without the age gap. There is nothing wrong with two people 10 years apart happening to fall in love and get into a committed relationship. It’s another thing when folks specifically go seeking that out for certain reasons. Like, even if a 35 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 11:47 AM
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Yeah that’s creepy. It would be one thing if her and the guy were talking, and then the guy did this while she was watching to retrieve later, that would be cute. But this is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 11:00 AM
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You must be new to this sub. The men here very much expect this of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:41 AM
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A spouse who takes care of the home is working, it’s just not paid labor. To answer your question, it really depends on how much work it takes to take care of the household, and should be divided in a way that both spouses have an equal amount of free time. So in a relationship where one spouse stays at home, if 100% of the stay at home spouses work can be completed during the time that the man is spending performing and commuting to paid labor, then 100% of the housework should go to the stay a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:40 AM
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What’s so funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:36 AM
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From my experience - the men who got the most sex were very scrawny men who were unabashedly feminist. Word would get around social circles to hook up with the guy if you got the chance, because not only would they take the time make sure you were experiencing extreme amounts of pleasure, but that they would make you feel beautiful, they would keep things private, and they would go to great lengths to ensure that the women felt comfortable and safe in the situation, and not feel gross about it l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:30 AM
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That’s not what I’ve seen in the relationships that have formed in the dance classes I’ve been in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:53 PM
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There are plenty of venues: - Adult Dance classes, especially those for ballroom dancing - Adult Recreational Sports - Volunteering opportunities - Open mics for music and/or comedy - Charitable and political fundraisers - Painting and other art workshops - Community theater - Your local coffee shop - Book clubs Long story short - hobbies and outside interests lead you into new social groupings at any age. But the key thing is, you have to actually go out into social settings, not just wait arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:09 PM
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What does that make Brazilian waxes then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:37 AM
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Depends on if it’s actual legitimate potential or not. A doctor about to start residency is an example of legitimate potential. Unfortunately, a lot of the men who are most vocal about their potential are men who have gotten sucked into hustle culture coaching scams, and MLMs. A lot of crypto bros are like this - sure a few people who got in super early and held on made some money, but the veil on that bigger fools scam has long been lifted, so anybody claiming that they are going to get rich wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:37 AM
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I’m an American woman who left the US dating scene because of how terrible it is, and traded it for the Netherlands. My partner is Dutch, and I think I finally found “the one.” From a more physical standpoint, most US men are circumcised, which makes sex painful. From a relationship standpoint - there isn’t nearly as large of a gap between gendered expectations in Dutch culture. In the US, I was often labeled as being bad at being a woman, where as here, I’m just recognized as being a “strong wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:32 AM
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IMO - Being bald in and of itself isn’t unattractive. Balding in and of itself isn’t unattractive. What is unattractive is not balding gracefully and not owning your baldness is a turn off. If a guy has a receding hairline, and tries to grow out the top to try to cover it up, it’s super unattractive, but if they get a shorter cut and let the receding hairline show, it can be very attractive (look at Jude law for example). If a guy is bald on the top but he still holds onto the thick hair he has …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:20 AM
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Here’s the thing - there is nothing wrong of keeping yourself mindful of the dynamics you listed, and there is nothing wrong with using that mindfulness to help improve the relationship, and to address issues when one of these data points swings widely to one partner rather than the other. However, in order for these data points to actually be detrimental to a relationship, they will skew beyond a point where you actually have to keep track or tally of occurrences, the differences will be so bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:31 AM
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I honestly feel that any man that feels this way is more likely confused about what is upsetting the woman partner about their efforts. From my experience, and that of my peers, the frustration doesn’t come from the effort itself, but from those efforts taking away from the relationship in a way that they feel emotionally neglected. When I’ve seen this happen, the man in the relationship is often convinced that they have to put in all this effort in order to be able to hold onto the relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:18 AM
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Before settling down, I quickly learned to date men that earned less than me, but not so much less that they were not financially stable? Why? Because any other men would go off the rails… Men making more than me, from my experience and the experiences of my peers will ALWAYS accuse you of being a gold digger, and being after their money. It doesn’t matter if you pay more often/more than they do on dates, and if you straight up try to keep them from spending money on lots of gifts, it will alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:06 AM
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The titanic argument has always irked me, because it’s something that happened in 1912, well before women had rights.
/r/MensRights25/07/23 05:47 AM
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