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AnalysisTinfoil_Haberdashery/r/MensRights12/01/15 05:12 PM
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Conservatives, at least, high-profile ones, don't discuss men's issues--not in any detail, at least. Because their policies are often, if not the core issue, a huge contributor to the severity of the symptoms. Workplace deaths? Conservatives oppose unions and regulatory agencies. Incarceration? Conservatives are "tough on crime". Homelessness? Conservatives oppose wage increases. Suicide? Conservatives promote male stoicism and oppose gun control. Liberals might bad-mouth men at every turn, but …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 11:25 PM
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The main premise of leftist philosophy is opposing "the old aristocrat's game of divide and conquer". Sure, it doesn't always live up to that in practice, but if you think opposing wealth inequality inevitably exacerbates wealth inequality, I think you may have fallen for right-wing propaganda. What's your proposed strategy, here? We overthrow the oligarchs by...joining forces with the people who believe in trickle-down economics? I hate to tell you this, they're pretty pro-oligarch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 12:33 AM
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This is a pretty blatantly conservative video. There's so much trans fearmongering, and the thesis seems to be, not that men lack empowerment, but that female empowerment should regress. The anti-abortion messages, even pointing the finger at contraceptives as a cause for societal unrest...jesus. I think the salient point early on is when she's flashing through a reel of women being upset out of context (implying they're just angry man-haters), but if you pause you can see that the guy one of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 03:08 AM
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Hey, maybe we don't directly endorse a neonazi's webcomic? Like an honest-to-god "hitler made good points" fascist piece of shit's comic? Like how is this even relevant here? What, "Advocating for men is taboo so everything taboo must be good actually"? Burning pride flag, a rallying symbol for those who defy gender norms, is really gonna advance the cause of defeating externally imposed gender norms that oppress men? Fuck all the way off with this shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 02:21 AM
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The problem with defining religion isn't that we haven't had a research chemist give it a try. The extent to which the social sciences appear to be a mess is largely attributable to tha fact that society is, in fact, messy. It's fine to be annoyed by that, but what's the alternative? Don't study it at all?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 12:20 AM
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Squishiness in sociological terms like this isn't necessarily the "problem" you're making it out to be. Take "religion" as an example. Religion exists, to be sure, but good luck getting a hard and fast definition that manages to encompass everything or even just most things we think of as a religion without including tons of things that aren't religions by any stretch. If you can do it, you're well ahead of anyone with a doctorate in the field. This fuzziness doesn't prove that religions don't e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 11:29 PM
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Are we as educators, or the higher ed system, failing young men? Are young men just underperforming and suffering the consequences? "I know it's our literal job to help students excel, but if they don't, whose fault is that, really?" Props for at least noticing, I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 01:32 AM
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Toxic masculinity (the motte): toxic masculinity is a culture that instills unhealthy coping strategies in men, like never asking for help, never showing vulnerability, etc. Toxic masculinity (the bailey): toxic masculinity is men constantly foisting their problems off on others instead of doing the work. It's this pathetic male fragility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/23 01:40 AM
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My cousin is currently a surrogate, and while she wasn't destitute before it's undoubtedly improved her quality of life. That potential is nothing to sneeze at.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 02:03 AM
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What an incredibly valid and not at all false equivalency!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 02:00 AM
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It can't be "her body, her choice" when she decides to end a pregnancy and "coercive slavery" when she decides to begin one. Financial inability to raise a child is one of the most commonly cited reasons why abortion is a necessary resourse. Why is a thing that makes enduring poverty more easily good, but a thing that provides the opportunity to alleviate poverty bad?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/23 03:32 AM
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Very illuminating quotes. I think this represents a fine understanding of many aspects of the challenges that gender discourse presents to men, but also feels...more like its goal is to make a bigoted premise more palateable rather than denounce the bigotry. Like, "I get it. Feminism was wrong about fundamental aspects of the power structure. Men and women both promote a power structure under which men and women both suffer, and which is increasingly not even fussy about the gender of the elites…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/23 02:29 PM
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Honestly if you're looking for perspectives on the white male violence thing, I think part of it is a lack of socially-approved targets for healthy anger. I promise this is related so please bear with me; a common explanation for conspiracy theories is that they're paradoxically comforting because they give believers a single, rational enemy whose motivations can be understood and overcome. It's actually less scary that COVID was made by Bill Gates because if he has intentions, they can be thwar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/23 10:58 PM
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But it is not a gun issue, it's a men's issue. It can absolutely be both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/23 09:59 PM
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In the most famous example of this principle--the evacuation of the Titanic--crew members were so fixated on the Women and Children First order that they sent many lifeboats out with empty space--some as low as 1/9th capacity--because they didn't have enough women and/or children to fill them and would otherwise have needed to fill the empty spaces with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/23 07:39 AM
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Normally the statistic that it's mostly men who commit those murders is a borderline irrelevant distraction...but in this case it's hard to deny that while most activities hold a greater risk for men, dating isn't one of them, at least where murder's concerned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 12:38 AM
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Thanks for bringing a modicum of rigor to a post that otherwise boils down to "I reckon".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:04 AM
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Less specific, but less easily misinterpreted. I think it's better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 01:29 AM
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"Men die at a rate 1.4x higher than women" may be statistically valid in some sense--I'm not sure what sense, but you have the benefit of the doubt on this one--but seems like a terrible way to phrase it. The only way 1.4 men could die for every woman is if there were 1.4x as many men, and there aren't. I feel like there has to be a less confusing way to communicate men's worse health outcomes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/23 12:15 PM
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Most of the left's "attacks" on free speech are, in fact, exercises of it. Not always ones I agree with, but still. If some college student informs you that a term is "problematic", that's their opinion, and free speech means they're allowed to express it. If a governor or legislature decrees that any mention of sexuality in schools is restricted, that's censorship--especially if it's only enforced with regard to non-hetero sexuality. The left might not always have the best opinions on freedom o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 12:05 PM
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I am very aware of the twitter files. Musk released the best dirt he could get his hands on to a bunch of journalists like Matt Taibbi show that the Biden administration used their executive power to lean on Twitter to remove information damning their approval ratings that should have been free for the public to see. ...Before the Biden administration even took power. ...And the only things they flagged were nude images of Hunter Biden that violated Twitter's terms and conditions and US law anyw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 01:07 AM
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I'm sorry, DeSantis is banning books en masse and your go-to example of censorship is Democrats?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/23 09:12 AM
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Gotta say, FarCry 5 was really equal-opportunity in its henchpersons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 06:35 PM
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No, I definitely understand that sometimes people's decisions are made on grounds other than the financial. That's the entire point; companies do the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 02:26 AM
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But it doesn't. Women getting paid less and yet being underrepresented in the workforce is absolutely internally consistent with the feminist premise on this front. It's like saying, "We know the earth is round because all of the wheels on our cars are round"; flat earthers don't think a flat earth necessitates triangular wheels, and there's no reason they would. just because your opponent is wrong about something doesn't mean you can throw any bad argument you like at the wall and assume it cou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 01:43 AM
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That seems improbable, but let's grant it for the sake of argument; you know what aspirin is? Wallgreens' is 1/3 the price of Bayer's. People still buy Bayer's, therefore Wallgreens' must actaully be the same price, right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 01:20 AM
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...What? What do meth and Viagra have to do with each other, let alone acetaminophen?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 12:54 AM
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The implication isn't that corporations are consciously taking one for the team by hiring more expensive male workers, it's that they value women less. Paying 23% less for something you judge to be 23% less effective isn't a savings, it's break-even. You'd have no reason to replace your workforce with the "cheaper" option. The problem is, this is internally consistent with the feminist worldview; that women are unfairly judged to be less effective workers. The reason why they are judged to be so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 12:51 AM
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Tylenol costs fully 4x as much as an equal dose of Wallgreens brand acetaminophen. You think housewives wouldn't take the chance to save up to 75% on medicine? 75% is a lot more than 23%. It's almost as if humans aren't always rational about financial decisions...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 12:32 AM
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Companies are made up entirely of people and are absolutely as susceptible to the same errors in judgement. Companies have a huge motivation of gaining very precise knowledge about what expenses they have and how they could reduce those expenses, but so do housewives. That doesn't make either omniscient. The myth that corporations are all-knowing rational actors is nothing but free-market capitalist apologia.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/23 12:26 AM
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There are a lot of good arguments against the wage gap, and this is the worst. You might as well ask, "If generic acetaminophen actually cost less than Tylenol, why would anyone buy Tylenol? People buy Tylenol, therefore generic acetaminophen must cost exactly as much." It's predicated on the idea that corporations behave fully rationally, which is just false on its face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 01:38 PM
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I never suggested being unjust. Inequality is not inherently unjust. "Help people who are lagging in school" is great, but if we ignore demographic trends in that set, we will be less effective at targeting why they're failing. Likewise, even if we find an optimal solution to help the boys failing in school and universalize that solution to everyone failing in school, it may well be doing a disservice to the non-boys who are failing. Ignoring demography is very precious, but not actually helpful…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 12:53 PM
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The problem is, the "safe and asymptotic" way is often utterly ineffective. Let's use an example this sub actually cares about: boys underperforming in schools. If school administrators say, "Well we've given them the same opportunities to sit still and study quietly as we give the girls, yet they're still getting worse grades for some reason...oh well, wouldn't want to risk overshooting and having boys who get grades that are too good" that would obviously be no solution at all. It would be tac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 11:12 AM
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That's a terrible metaphor and only vaguely related to the one I used. I was talking about a quadcopter rather than multiple discrete helicopters because groups in society are already intrinsically connected. Do you think the complete collapse of men as a caste wouldn't bring women down? We don't see equality as a virtue merely out of some sense of magnanimity or aesthetic taste, it's because it's beneficial. It keeps the single craft we're all on (society) stable. In terms of race and ESPECIALL…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 02:45 AM
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I struggle with this, because of course you don't fight inequality with more inequality, that's just common sense. But everything other than "common sense" (i.e., engineering, mathematics) says you absolutely fight inequality with inequality. If you have a quadcopter hurtling through the air at an aggressive angle, equalizing all four motors won't make it level out into a hover. It'll just maintain its angle of attack. You have to direct substantially more resources to the downhill motors to lev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 12:38 AM
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I would add that in addition to the difficulty with all individuals being fallible, morality is fluid, transitory, and, in the best cases, progressive. It would be unfair to expect people who lived before us to live up to our current standards, but we also shouldn't diminish our standards to more comfortably accommodate people of a bygone era. Take note of those in history who accomplished important things, but don't expect them to be role models in an age life never prepared them for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 01:40 PM
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Jesus. If you swapped the gender of either himself, the people he was attracted to, or both, people would rightly be demanding to know what church abused him into that level of self-loathing. But since he's a straight dude, absolute double-down.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/23 05:17 AM
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I think this strikes at the core of the matter. I would say, too, that I think the impulse to treat privilege as a quantitative variable, even one with the complications you describe, is hyper-reductive. Privileges, depending on the "axis" are highly qualitative and heterogenous, and none more than gender. Men have privileges women don't in society, and women have privileges men don't. Asking who has it better in general is like asking which is the better vehicle--a jeep or a corvette. It depend…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/23 03:44 PM
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That seems like a frankly baffling perspective. It's true that people sometimes treat objects as if they have agency, but that's called the pathetic fallacy and is more or less just treating objects as if they aren't objects. If someone steps on a rake and receives a blow to the face, they might get angry, but at themselves or whoever left the rake tines-up--in other words, the agents involved; if they blame the object, we recognize it as irrational. We do not expect penitance from a stove that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/23 12:00 PM
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Objectification through hyperagency is an...interesting idea given that objects and agents are diametrically opposed concepts. I'm not saying hyperagency doesn't have its own difficulties, but you have to be pretty ardent about the fluidity of definitions to define lethal dehydration as a type of drowning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/23 09:00 AM
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Oof, that's a hell of a read. I think you're expecting your premises to go a LOT further than they have the legs for. The idea that women "don't work" in a traditional single-income household is pretty fucking rich. It's fair to criticize the idea promulgated by many feminists that traditionally male labor inside and outside of the home is somehow inferior to the labor of homemaking, but like...I've done both, and homemaking is not a walk in the park either. When you're literally never off the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/23 02:39 AM
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The thing about International Men's Day also being World Toilet Day seems a bit disingenuous. Every day on the calendar has half a dozen silly unofficial "Official Microwave Safe Food Container Day" type holidays unilaterally declared by some special interest group or lobby.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 10:56 PM
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That's rough. I feel like you don't need to bring in an expert graffiti artist to spray 3 letters with no stylization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/23 11:21 PM
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I'd honestly be okay with the idea of "Masculinity with all of the bad bits taken out", but "the bad bits" are so situational. Risky behavior is toxic masculinity; positive masculinity is being willing to take risks when required. Toxic masculinity is having the confidence of a mediocre white man; positive masculinity is being confident...but like, only when approaching women who are in the mood for you to approach them. Then, confidence is sexy. During a job interview, it perpetuates the wage g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/23 01:00 AM
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It's worth pointing out that this isn't the denotative meaning of "toxic masculinity". In theory, toxic masculinity is about the toxic pressures society exerts on men as much as or more than vice-versa. Of course, that's not what most people use it to mean. When people talk about toxic masculinity, they pretty much always mean "The wedding was great until Mary's brother got in a fistfight with the best man", not "Dad's vision is going, but he won't ask for help because all his life he's witnesse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/22 10:03 AM
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In LOTR, Faramir strikes me as possibly the character most worthy of emulation. He's patient, compassionate, open-minded, curious, and in a violent world has no love of violence. Hell of a dude.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/22 08:27 AM
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Achilles and Holmes are interesting characters, but I don't think of them as depictions of positive masculinity. Holmes is an abrasive, drug-addicted obsessive. Achilles is at turns arrogant and sulky. Both of these are mitigated to varying degrees by the different moral standards of their respective time periods, but still...not people to emulate. I think it's more important for most characters to be interesting than good, but still.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/22 08:10 AM
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I think she is the wrong person to lead the charge in this fight. Yeah...can we not find somebody who served a stupidly long sentence on like, pot possession to campaign for prison reform and have inspiring biopics made about them? The crime was utterly heinous, but the extent of her knowledge of and participation in it seems...a tad sketchy, with context. The evidence that convicted her seem to amount to one vaguely incriminating sentence fragment after days of police interrogation and the pres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/22 08:36 PM
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Hey hey! Got results in the top tier. Not shabby for a homemaker with a bachelor of arts degree!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/22 02:27 PM
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I broadly agree, but it's super weird to single out clergy/students of ministry, and to specify the religious as a distinct category of moral objectors, on the list of people for whom potential conscription is particularly egregious. It implies that objecting to being forced into violence is somehow more valid if that objection is based on a religious epistemology than an irreligious one. The pacifism of an atheist car mechanic should not be held as less compelling than that of a priest or imam.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/22 03:43 AM
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Men are required to earn worth based on what they produce. If they were accorded worth separate from that, they might not be as driven to be productive, and those who profit from that productivity would profit less. I think this is a huge reason society is less accepting of effeminate men and mtf trans people than masculine women or ftm trans people; if someone percieved as female behaves in a masculine way, it's percieved as opting to earn worth over and above that which is implicitly accorded …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/22 01:15 AM
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"Androcracy" seems like a very useful term. In my experience, "patriarchy" is used to mean "androcracy" at any given moment that you're not holding an interlocutor's feet to the fire over it, so having a distinct term to interrogate and rule out seems valuable. Of course, "men don't have power, patriarchs have power" is a bit less impactful given that "patriarch" just means "any man who I choose to believe has power", but...baby steps, I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/22 02:38 AM
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Okay, but like...why? Why woulf a girl from a village where this is not a traditional practice decide it sounds fucking awesome?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/22 02:15 PM
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Women have voted at a higher rate than men for decades. If they're going to save democracy, it'd be great if they hurried up about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/22 10:38 PM
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. You say, "I'm not talking about good or bad or any quality at all", but we're discussing "positive masculinity" not "value-neutral masculinity", aren't we? I'm also not sure how this ties in with the other aspects of identity you mention. Some are innate; we didn't choose to be Westerners, our ages, or our sex. We may choose where we live, but I've lived all over the world and being a good person in Japan is virtually indistinguishable from being a good perso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/22 12:48 AM
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I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. What would even theoretically differentiate "being a good man" from "being a good person"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/22 11:44 PM
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At base, what it means to be a man varies wildly to different people. To some people, it means "possessing secondary sex characteristics indicative of higher-than-average testosterone". To some it means "preferring to think of yourself as a man". For most, it means at least one of those things plus a bunch of preferences and attitudes; because Instagram is pretty sure I'm a man, it shows me ads for...mail order clubs that will send me hunting knives and whiskey and beard oil every month, or some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 02:47 AM
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I think the search for positive masculinity is futile, because toxic masculinity, while not an inherently useless concept, originates in a framework that makes it so. Masculinity and femininity do not make sense as stand-alone concepts. They are inherently juxtaposed. Therefore, toxic masculinity has to be something that is A) characteristic of masculinity, but not femininity, and B) toxic. It has to be masculinity-specific. If it were gender neutral, it would just be called "toxicity." Therefor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 10:51 AM
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I can't help but wonder if it was also flavored by geographic culture, or...something? A lot of the stuff she talks about is utterly foreign to me, like being stared down as a woman but having men suddenly avert their eyes when she presents male. Do you guys make eye contact with strangers, ever? Regardless of gender? I cannot imagine making anything more than momentary, accidental eye contact with a stranger I'm not currently talking to--especially women. It's so weird to hear people talk about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 03:17 PM
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"Kid" in kid goves doesn't refer to children; it refers to gloves made of the soft and supple leather from young goats, "kids". You handle something with kid gloves because they're very soft and won't mar whatever delicate thing you're using them for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 03:29 AM
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I think this can be read a bit more charitably. She doesn't say "it's not enough to be equal to men because men are beasts" or even "because men act like beasts", it's "if men are acting like beasts". She's objecting to continuation of bestial behavior in fields that have traditionally been male-dominated, but not actually tying that behavior to the gender. Yeah, it's not great phrasing, but it's not indefensible, either. What bothers me more is that, if you recognize that femininity per se isn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/22 01:56 PM
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There are a number of ways. The first is sex where the man is unfit to consent. We maintain this standard for women, but no one talks about not bedding a guy who's sloppy drunk. Another is coersion--"have sex with me or else." The "or else" can take a lot of forms; career obstruction, social ostracism, even threats of false accusations. More directly, men's usually greater strength counts for nothing without the willingness to use it. Using your strength against a woman is one of the most taboo …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 01:56 AM
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He's a compelling author, for sure, but I think sometimes he tries to take such a high-level view of things that he loses resolving power. He doesn't seem to think things can be bad on an object level; "Ah, yes, but have you considered that some people might find murder and suffering to be virtuous? What makes your moral philosophy any more valid than the pain-maximizers'?" I get that there's value in being able to see the forest for the trees, but it often feels like Alexander is reluctant to e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/22 12:38 AM
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It doesn't even need to be that drastic. It's like saying that people shouldn't buy basketballs because life's not all about sports. Like, sure, life's not all about sports, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to play basketball if you fucking want to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/22 12:54 AM
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As soon as I find some, I'll be sure to share.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 12:06 AM
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Mark Wattney and everyone else in The Martian. I can't overstate how soothing it is to read a book with no malicious actors. Just everyone working together for an unambiguously noble goal. It...makes me cry. A lot. But it feels very cathartic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 08:49 AM
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I'm speaking from experience here--but experience is highly subjective, so let's take a more random sample. If you search "red pill" on r/mensrights, the attitudes are overall positive even if you discount the results discussing the sympathetic men's rights documentary literally called "The Red Pill". It is somewhat contentious, with question posts like Do you think the Red Pill is unhealthy and if so to what degree? but you have to scroll for a while in that thread to find anyone with a word to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/22 12:21 AM
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I'm not repeating anything. I'm describing what I've seen firsthand, and the reason I left r/mensrights years ago. But personal experience can be highly subjective, so let's look at some samples that are less prone to bias. If you search "red pill" on r/mensrights, the attitudes are overall positive even if you discount the results discussing the sympathetic men's rights documentary literally called "The Red Pill". It is somewhat contentious, with question posts like "Do you think the Red Pill i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/22 11:50 PM
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Men's rights is an inherently progressive idea. However, it's always been bound up in a power struggle with feminism, which is the much more popular flavor of gender progressivism. Out of an "enemy of my enemy" dynamic, this has made uncomfortable bedfellows of MRAs with overtly regressive, right-wing groups like The Red Pill and emulsified those groups to a degree. This is pretty much a vicious cycle; lefties hate MRAs because they're conservative, this pushes MRAs further right, which lefties …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/22 04:40 AM
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When men question rape allegations, I think it's usually for the exact opposite reason this woman thinks; most men cannot conceptualize rape as something a person would do. For most men, rapists are faceless, hypothetical monsters. Some of us have been sexually harassed, some sexually assaulted or raped ourselves, but not most. And I get the impression that even those of us who have been hurt in that way almost never tell other men about it, so the vast majority of us have never knowingly seen a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/22 03:37 PM
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I'm not against the idea of masculinity evolving or progressing, and I certainly advocate mitigating the pressure imposed by society's expectations of masculinity by encouraging boys and men to be comfortable choosing to conform to or contravene those expectations in a critical and conscious way. I think it's also worth noting that when people talk about traditional masculinity these days, they're talking about what's left of traditional masculinity. The positive aspects of masculinity have been…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 05:30 AM
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The fact that there are more searches from blue states doesn't necessarily mean that the people performing those searches are themselves left-leaning. The state that cast the most votes for Trump was California. Not saying you're wrong about people with progressive politics caring about gender equality; we're on a forum for that very thing--but it's always important not to presume your data implies X when Y is no less plausible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 12:16 AM
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First, I don't know how one-sided this is. The stereotype of women overindulging in shopping is quite widespread. I have been bothered by the recent feminist push to justify female-coded consumerism , apparently just because it's female-coded. Makeup, for example; it seems like feminists used to decry the societal expectation to wear makeup because it's an arms race toward unrealistic beauty standards and perpetuates the conflation of appearance with worth. These days, you're more likely to hear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/22 10:13 PM
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Ehhh...I feel like this is not particularly true. Does the president have power? He gets criticized constantly. The supreme court? Likewise. The police? Billionaires? It's pretty hard to argue that these groups and people lack power, but you can go off on them as aggressively as you want. Meanwhile, let's look at groups it's considered gouche to criticize: Ethnic minority groups The handicapped Sexual minorities Women I'm not saying it's wrong in every case, but it's clearly not a great heuristi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/22 10:18 AM
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And 50 to 100 seconds ago, it was valid. And 50 to 100 years from now, it will be valid. The extent to which that is not how the law works is kind of breathtaking. If a company manufactures as space heater...or hell, a fucking USB cable, there is always the risk that it will burn somebody's house down. But if a company can demonstrate that the failure mode is vanishingly rare and that they took reasonable precautions to prevent it, then they're not on the hook for damages. Your responsibility fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/22 03:56 AM
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Informed consent to sex is acceptance of any reasonably foreseen risk of sex. If that risk includes a life being dependent on you, then you accepted that risk. ...Not really at all? There are lots of people out there, who, in a very real sense, depend on me, or you, or somebody relinquishing an organ because theirs failed. They are fully sapient, adult humans who will die if we do not give them one of our lungs. You could say that they have no right to our lungs because our right to our lungs co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/22 03:52 AM
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I don't know if I buy it. There are plenty of things that can be seen as "consequences" where consent is still totally a factor. You use alcoholic impairment as an example, but impairment per se doesn't give another human carte blanche access to your body. If a girl has sex with me even though I'm incoherently drunk, she can't (or, well, shouldn't be able to) use the fact that I was drinking and knew impairment would make me vulnerable as de facto consent to any of the things I was rendering mys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/22 02:30 AM
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For me, masculinity is a descriptor of physical attributes. It's a note on my driver's license, just like hair color or eye color. Yeah, there's a lot of cultural baggage that goes along with that (just like there is with plenty of other physical attributes), but I don't really care about that stuff unless it's leading to discrimination. I get that this is not how it works for others a lot of the time, and I respect the validity of that, but I can't say I really understand it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 10:48 AM
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What do you mean, "If it happened as she said"? There is a daughter known to be the biological offspring of both parties. Unless the reporters failed to do some straightforward fucking math, the age of the daughter relative to the ages of each of the parents can unequivocally demonstrate whether the guy, as a 30-year-old, fucked a 16-year-old. I mean, yes, it's technically possible that a 16-year-old had access to the fresh semen of an adult man with whom she had no improper relationship and dec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/22 05:35 AM
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The ages of the relevant parties mean that it was rape even if consensual. There's no ambiguity here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/22 09:37 PM
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Do people talk about sexualities in school to 7 year olds and younger? Depends on what you mean by "talking about sexualities". People talk about heterosexuality to 7-year-olds all the time; "Cinderella loves the prince" is every bit as much an acknowledgement of sexualities as "Heather has Two Mommies", but the second is seen as being specifically about "sexuality" while the first is just seen as the default interaction between adults. One huge problem with this bill is that it's vague enough t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/22 10:12 PM
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Basically, it makes acknowledging the existence of anything non-straight in schools punishable by lawsuit, similarly to the Texas law that lets people sue abortion "accomplices". The law explicitly states that sexualities can't be discussed before grade 3, and DeSantis hides behind this in trying to justify the bill, but the very next clause of the sentence is "or not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate". It's vague enough for Republicans to affrontedly claim that anyone who wants to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/22 12:44 PM
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I don't think anyone's going to look at Ron DeSantis ca. 2022 from a historical perspective and think, "wow, the Don't Say Gay guy really was the true champion of equality."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 09:04 PM
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That website clearly has an agenda, which isn't disqualifying by any means, but it makes the weakness of their arguments a lot more suspicious. The best arguments they can come up with against puberty blockers are "most people who take puberty blockers go on to take gender transition hormones" (which, wow, most people who think they're trans are trans, how damning), and "this totally reduces bone density, with an opening sentence of "There is little long-term evidence on bone mass density in rel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 01:44 AM
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Waiting until someone's 21 before allowing them access to puberty blockers seems like a self-evident catch-22. From what I've read, if you decide you want to go through puberty after all, you just...stop taking puberty blockers. We make plenty of other health decisions for kids. Are children somehow more able to consent to cochlear implants? Antidepressants? Tempanostomies?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 01:13 AM
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Bike shorts are another one, despite having diaper-levels of padding and being the least sexy thing a man can wear on his legs, they're tight, so they're inherently sexual.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/22 10:26 PM
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I've been both--currently a househusband. I prefer housework. There are definite tradeoffs, but with full sincerity, fuck the rat race. I can't help but feel that the wildest trick society ever went through was convincing women that employment is freedom. Maybe it's the difference between choosing something vs. it feeling like a fate you're trapped in, but the workforce kinda fucking sucks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 09:44 PM
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Exactly this. Conservatives care about Men's Right to remain at work until they die and stay out of caring roles, Men's Right to remain the sole conscripts in warfare, Men's Right to a reputation for hyperagency that precludes them from any community support... Feminists bought the lie that men have massive privilege hook, line, and sinker, but those lies were invented by the conservative ruling class to make men think that, however ill-treated they may be, at least they were kings of their own …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 10:40 PM
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So my take on the women's side of this perspective is that, yeah, it's a little weird when a 70-year-old principal is telling 14 year old girls to "dress less sexy". And I don't think it should be women's job to alter themselves to convenience men. I totally agree with the above, and it makes it difficult to address the very real issue that, quite honestly, there is such a thing as dressing disruptively. I was a late bloomer and I've never really been able to relate when other guys talk about th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:21 PM
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...I'm wracking my brain for what the Norwegian anagram would be. I don't speak a ton of Norwegian (okay none, but I'm good enough at Swedish to understand the subtitles on Norwegian films) but wouldn't it be, like, "Jeg er Lord Voldemort?" I don't see a J in there. It's a baffling thing to translate, anyway. "You see, Harry, Tom Elvis Jedusor rearranges itself into "Je suis Lord Voldemort" with a wave of my wand!" "...We're both English. The kids reading this know we're in Scotland right now. W…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 10:54 AM
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No worries! Jedusor seems a much more menacing name than Riddle. I just thought for a moment that I was having some Mandela-effect type memory lapse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 01:54 AM
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Tom Elvis Jedusor ...Ah. I was very confused until I googled it. I guess that's what the French translation calls him to make the "Je suis Lord Voldemort" anagram work. As opposed to "Tom Marvolo Riddle", an anagram for "I am Lord Voldemort".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 10:52 PM
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Yeah, saying the pro-life stance is "actually" about baby murder is like saying the push to teach intelligent design in schools is "actually" about the bacterial flagellum. Even if some supporters convince themselves that that's what it's about...that's not what it's about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 10:45 PM
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I do think its funny how women calling their lover "daddy" is seen as normal but a guy calling his lover "mommy" is basically unheard of. This may be fairly new. In a lot of songs from the '50s or '60s, "pretty mama" or just "mama" are used to refer to women who the singer is in a relationship with or even merely pursuing. That said, this slang seems less intimate; I can't imagine a woman calling her SO, much less a prospective SO, "daddy" in public. Maybe it's just my social group, but that see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 08:17 AM
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I'd say that's a pretty bad-faith accusation, especially when it's just vague mudslinging, and not illustrated with specific examples. I think of "mudslinging" as calling out specific people, but here we go. The second highest-rated post this month is titled, Trans women use misandristic language to be accepted in the queer communities and to be seen as women by cis women. I used to feel sad about the shits they have to go through (sic) Citing the words of a trans woman fighting for recognition …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 08:29 AM
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I can see that as being a potentially valid point--but if it does apply here, it certainly doesn't to Twitter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 04:05 AM
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If you see ideas you don't like, you can challenge them. Truth has a higher burden of effort than gish-galloping, it's usually scarier and less satisfying than conspiratorial narratives, and in the post-scarcity environment of the internet there's no overhead cost or downside to capitalize on those weaknesses of the system with trolling and spam. That's the whole point of the article I posted. The idea that the free market of ideas is an arena from which the truth will inevitably emerge victorio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 02:42 AM
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There are a lot of topics that aren't really bound up with men's issues, feminism, or the friction between the two--but which are associated with those things, by feminists and by right-wing scaremongers. Things like trans rights, gay rights, racial injustice, etc. This place is called left wing male advocates, but you get folks railing against anything "woke" as if that's not a term used by mainstream conservatives to paint any left-wing issue as radical. They act as if the object-level issue o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 02:03 AM
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Here's an article by Aaron Rabinowitz about his "Monster Island" experiment, a 4-year foray into truly unregulated internet free speech. It was a fucking horror show. Despite the demographics skewing left, the discourse was overwhelmed by antisemitic, racist, conservative trolls, led by a guy who was literally the "tactical advisor" for Kyle Rittenhouse's posse during the Kenosha shooting. Rabinowitz concludes, "There are places online where people who strongly disagree, up to a point, can engag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 11:06 PM
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Still disagree. I think that framing socially-engrained gender roles as "female oppression" is only a partial explanation at best, but if minorities can be oppressed (Uyghurs, Jim Crowe) and majorities can be oppressed (Apartheid, the British Raj) then why couldn't 50% of the population be oppressed, at least in principle? Whereas the message of the second comic (even if we take the lizard alien as a metaphor) is that THEY are corrupting your children with...the idea that trans people exist. And…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 05:14 AM
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...look, I'm pretty skeptical of patriarchy as a theory and a lot of discourse on gender relations, but "far crazier" than communist lizard aliens is a hell of a high bar.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 03:29 AM
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The biggest problem I have with intersectionality as a concept is that it treats privilege as fungible. Like, maybe scoring high on the "maleness" axis is worth 8 privilege points, being Asian is worth -1 on the Race axis, but at least you're straight so that's another 5 from the Sexuality axis, and your parents were rich so that's at least 10 right there in Class. Shame about the diabetes, that's a -2 on the Ablism axis. And then you add them all up and you learn that you have to check your pri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 01:09 AM
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The first comic is kind of dumb but it gets at a philosophically interesting problem; is it okay to hate oppressors? I disagree with the author's premise and conclusion and feel like the way the argument is made is a little snide, but it's a comic strip. And not a very well-executed one...the girl is...kneeling with a stick? The stars and dust clouds make me think she's meant to be...attacking the dummy with the shirt? Is she literally attacking a straw man that she put a "misogynist" label on? …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 12:14 AM
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Oh, yep. There's one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 12:01 PM
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I'm trying to think of any joke I've ever heard about being violent toward a woman, and drawing a blank. Maybe they're saying that internet rape threats are a "joke", in the same way KAM is? Fucking hell, if that's the kind of humor you want to be on par with...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 08:03 AM
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This was one of the moments in my relationship that was the most meaningful to me. My wife's grandmother was talking about how whiny men were when they got sick, and my wife just said "Weird. (Husband) never complains when he's sick. He's tough as old boots." The second part is maybe a partial truth--I am not, in fact, tough. But being ill doesn't really bother me that much, and I appreciated that she bucked peer pressure to pay me a compliment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:41 AM
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Thank you for showing I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm in my 30s now, but especially in my 20s I felt like a friggin weirdo for being a person, and especially a guy, who likes and would like to have kids. r/kidsarefuckingstupid is such a goddamn awful place. Every post is like, "wow, that challenges our assumptions about what knowledge is ex nihlo in a really funny way--" NOPE. RIDICULE THOSE NOT BORN KNOWING EVERYTHING. And r/childfree is even worse. "Ugh, why must society oppress m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/20 03:55 PM
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Your position is pragmatic, but is ultimately bad for men and women; if people would rather hire men because they're less likely to take parental leave, that implicitly incentivizes men not to be as involved in childcare. We can't simultaneously protest society's discrimination against fathers and argue in favor of the corporate practices that discriminate against fathers.
/r/MensRights07/05/19 04:35 AM
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Atrocities are committed in wars around the world every day. Does that mean we're wrong for punishing white-collar criminals? Someone embezzling from their coworkers' retirement fund is committing an objectively less severe crime than a warlord who sexually abuses the drug-addicted child soldiers whose parents he murdered. Does that mean that we shouldn't punish Barry in accounting who just bought a new RV with his ill-gotten gains? Obviously not. I want to fix all the sexism you just talked abo…
/r/MensRights06/05/19 02:05 PM
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In some fields, definitely. In others, men are unfairly favored. Whether it's the best way to do it or not, that's the entire idea behind affirmative action campaigns: adjusting to compensate for observed inequality of opportunity.
/r/MensRights06/05/19 05:05 AM
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When I said "current hiring practices" I meant without adjusting for demographics, which you're right, isn't really current. I think the point stands, though; you're arguing that affirmative action must be a deviation away from meritocratic hiring, which must therefore be the goal if its proponents. I'm saying its proponents believe it's a correction toward meritocratic hiring. For my own part, I'm on the fence about whether "affirmative action" as it's often practiced is the best route toward a…
/r/MensRights06/05/19 04:58 AM
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Isn't this begging the question? Your comment assumes that merit is the only consideration in current hiring practices and goes from there. The other side argues that merit is not the only consideration and that other forces are at work--and blinded studies continue to imply that they're right. The argument isn't that gender is more important than qualifications, the argument is that gender currently overshadows qualifications to a measurable extent and that this should be corrected for.
/r/MensRights06/05/19 04:12 AM
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This really seems like it's intentionally click baiting MRAs. No journalist could be this wildly unselfconcious.
/r/MensRights03/12/16 03:16 PM
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I can see that. It also occurred to me that most people in law enforcement and the military are male, so the fact that superheroes would be too sort of makes sense. Still, more women might make Black Widow feel less like a token.
/r/MensRights12/01/15 06:36 PM
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Viciously penetrated by lasagna.
/r/MensRights30/11/10 02:12 PM
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"a[sic] vagina is an organ, and most hours of most days, its[sic] a solid structure: its[sic] muscular walls touch each other. theres[sic] no room in there, at all." The same could be said of the esophagus; that doesn't mean eating is self-inflicted assault.
/r/MensRights27/11/10 01:47 PM
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