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i don't know and i don't care what you want to do. that's not the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:15 PM
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What exactly is the harm of a paternity test? Who is being *measurably* wronged? the marriage. it is exactly the same as saying "i think you're cheating on me"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:14 PM
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if she wasn't cheating, why else would the paternity be in question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:12 PM
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I think it's a bad premise to assume that the paternity test means he thinks she cheated. there is literally no other reason to ask for a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:11 PM
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couples who basically let themselves be spied on To get a representative sample size across multiple regions just in the US this would cost literally millions and millions of dollars. who is financing that? finally, so who do we believe? are you under the impression that all countries have the same culture? australian data is meaningless in the US, just like your latvian data is meaningless anywhere outside of latvia. we believe this is likely true for australia but that doesn't mean it can be e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:41 PM
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what would be a less dubious way to get the data in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:31 PM
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But u can just get a good lawyer to write a will clarifying who gets to inherit what and how much and who gets to make health decisions That's way more expensive and complicated than just getting married, which also has social benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:37 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11761833/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-fabric/202501/gender-inequality-in-the-division-of-housework-persists https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6044284/ https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/1168961388/pew-earnings-gender-wage-gap-housework-chores-child-care https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-breadwinners-tripled-since-1970s-still-doing-more-unpaid-work/ https://news.umich.edu/exactly-how-much-housework-does-a-husband-create/ https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:53 AM
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They are the norm now. Multiple studies have shown that. Further I never said this was my case, sorry about your reading comprehension. It is the case for many. My partner knows better and knows if he stopped pulling his weight, I'd bounce and he'd be in a world of hurt without me. And yeah he'd agree with that assessment. He also works fewer hours than I do, I am the primary breadwinner and have been for 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:22 AM
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But some oppression doesn't exist anymore /laughs in abortion laws/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:29 AM
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I don’t make the rules so who does?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:25 AM
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If I work 50 hours a week and also do 30+ domestic tasks a day and my male partner works 50 hours a week and does 0 domestic tasks a day, that is not an even split. This isn't even a difficult concept to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:24 AM
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you're leftist but you believe in the red pill? Can you explain to me how that works because those ideologies are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:26 PM
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So you hate women, but you're pro women's rights? This feels like meeting a unicorn in real life. Can you tell me what your politics look like? I'm not even being shitty, I am genuinely curious as to how this works because it looks and seems so diametrically opposed in philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:23 PM
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where do you see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:07 AM
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genuinely, i don't believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:55 AM
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have you ever met a progressive or leftist RP man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:50 AM
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I posted links elsewhere in the thread. You're more than welcome to google Stephen Miller Immigration Goals if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:32 PM
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Nationalists explicitly don't support any kind of immigration, that's like their whole gimmick. White nationalists/Christian Nationalists (the ones currently running the US) explicitly want to end ALL immigration legal and otherwise from "third world" countries like the ones in southeast asia that passport bros use. So unless you think they can get Scandinavian girls with higher quality of life and better economic options to marry them, they're going be real fuckin' unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:06 PM
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Also, you know men have facebook and discord groups where they buy and sell drugs used to knock their female partners unconscious and then rape them in groups right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:35 PM
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Said it harms sex workers or something So did you bother to look into why there was a backlash? It was because the men who were finding out their partners had done adult content before were then beating and murdering those women. "or something" right? So let's say we make an app like AWDTSG This exists already. Facebook has multiple are we dating the same woman groups for my city.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:33 PM
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so it does not when make logical sense to restrict their immigration. yeah it turns out white supremacy doesn't usually make logical sense. And yes these memos and guidelines are legally challengable in court, for the people who can afford to make those challenges. which is very very very few. and for the rest, their lives are torn asunder in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:01 PM
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The only place they converge is on exploiting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:27 PM
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I want women to hold themselves accountable for CHOOSING TO DATE THE BAD MEN and to CHOOSE BETTER how do you suppose this actually works in practice when bad men consistently pretend to be good? what specifically does accountability look like? because it sounds like you think "accountability" means lowing their standards for people they're not attracted to. Frankly, you sound like a bad person too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:09 PM
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i work in civil rights and immigration law, so i read all of the guidelines and press releases being sent out by the DoJ and DHS - the goal is to end ALL immigration from non-white countries. Period. All of it. So unless passport bros think they're going to find vulnerable impoverished scandanavian women to date, they should probably wise up to what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:13 PM
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which has what to do with my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:12 PM
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are you under the impression that i like either of those shitbags? because i don't. and i don't care if people make jokes about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:08 PM
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you're talking in circles about nothing. you don't want accountability, i have a hard time believing you know what that word actually means. you want women to lower their standards so you don't have to try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:06 PM
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would you date an ugly woman that you're not physically attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:06 PM
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That doesn’t make Vance a passport bro, then. point to where i said that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:05 PM
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(and personally experienced a long time ago) respectfully, these are unprecedented times and anything you experienced "a long time ago" is going to be totally irrelevant today. The administration would likely have to gut the entire K-1 visa program to require a spouse to go back overseas to apply for AOS, and it does not have the legislative authority to do this. Are you under the impression that the king baby ruling by executive order gives a shit whether or not they have the authority to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:03 PM
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so we're just doomed?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:34 PM
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i thought it was funny
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:20 PM
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Usha is first generation. Her parents are immigrants and were not citizens before she was born.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:20 PM
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then it sounds like good men need to start changing the power structure no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:19 PM
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At what point are a woman or women in general going to tell themselves: We absolutely suck at choosing men to date At what point are men in general going to take a stand against the ones making them all look bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:01 PM
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I think it doesn't matter to ghouls like Stephen Miller who it is or why they're doing it. It matters that the women are the wrong color and born in the wrong place. I don't support passport broing because like OP said it's predatory and exploitive to vulnerable impoverished women. I don't think it should be banned, because how are you even going to enforce that? you can't. it's a stupid idea. but the reality is that immigration policy in this country is being run by a self avowed white supremac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:42 PM
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Stephen Miller is in the process of ending marital and chain migration, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:30 PM
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Stop using the just world fallacy on ugly men as well. What does this mean? I'm not familiar with the just world fallacy. Start shifting blame to yourself for choosing date a bad man So are the bad men not accountable for being bad...or? what exactly does this look like in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:18 PM
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Genuinely, I don't know because this isn't really an area where I've ever heard anyone demand for accountability except black pillers. I'd love to hear from them exactly what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:07 PM
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The red regime in the white house is ending marital immigration and chain migration anyway which will eliminate a lot of the appeal for anyone to marry an incel overseas because they won't get a green card or citizenship out of it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:55 PM
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for women to take accountability for their dating choices, what does "accountability" look like in your mind? specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:49 PM
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lol that is a really strange example dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:48 PM
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i think there are definitely some subs that encourage people to let their worst impulses win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:32 PM
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That's definitely not true. There are multiple subs that have had a positive impact on me for both personal and professional reasons. Subs *like this* don't have a positive impact on anyone though, that i will agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:27 PM
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Yes. Free of coercion and exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:31 AM
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How is that an answer to the question exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:11 AM
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That's an interesting pivot when you couldn't actually produce evidence of me saying what you claimed I said. Where did I complain about women choosing their partners exactly? Quote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:06 AM
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please quote me where i said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:00 AM
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my question stands. do you really believe that 100% of men have the compulsion to use their partners as sex toys?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:01 AM
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so you think all men behave like pitbulls humping the walls? because i have literal pit bulls who don't even behave like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:59 PM
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you can choose to exploit people, i think that choice is unethical, predatory and disgusting. as the other commentor was trying to explain to you - nobody is trying to ban or outlaw this behavior. freedom to do something is not freedom from being called gross for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:58 PM
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do you think that's how all men view women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:57 PM
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he can do whatever he wants. personally i think passport bros are predatory and gross because it's not about desireability. they're not actually more desired or desirable in those other countries, they're a resource. and they're exploiting vulnerable women by using that power differential to coerce them into sexual relationships they wouldn't otherwise consent to. it's the same reason i don't recommend trolling homeless shelters for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:55 PM
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You wouldn’t assume this man is a potential incel by the picture? Nope. There's a whole genre of television show built on the trope of fat weird looking funny dude getting the hot girlfriend/wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:44 PM
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Then he should just lower his standards like you're always telling women to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:43 PM
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i mean, it's obvious you hate women, why would you want to live with one?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:19 PM
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can and should are very different things
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:36 PM
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cool. don't date or cohabitate with women either since you hate them and view them exclusively as fleshlights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:17 PM
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i mean yeah, no shit. if men walk around loudly announcing that they view women as sex toys, nobody is going to want to get involved with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:57 PM
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guessing you're one of those men who will leave when their wife gets a cancer diagnosis huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:34 PM
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You can’t enter into a lifelong contract with the gender who acts like they will die without sex and die if their penis isn’t inserted into a warm hole and not expect to be their sex doll of sorts. this is childish and gross. your entire post could be summed up by "men are childish assholes who can't control their emotions"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:33 PM
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ah okay, you meant factually wrong. i thought you meant morally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:46 PM
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the words ignorant and gross usually denote wrong, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:37 PM
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I agree with your title but not your reasoning. As someone who was born a "truly ugly woman" (it turns out i'm actually intersex but the result has been a woman with very masculine features universally detested in the dating market) it's not because we can find dates. We can, that's true. But women will never be alone because they're better at building non-romantic social support networks and generally in decentering romantic partnership when it's not available or not providing support.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:06 PM
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Nice sarcasm. Just wondering why you're bending over backwards so hard to protect them.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 09:25 PM
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I didn't say it is what happened. I am asking *you* what you would do with that information. If you would lie to protect your abuser. Because I'm genuinely trying to suss out if you personally condone protecting abusers.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 09:16 PM
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This and your other comments really make it feel like you condone abuse and think women should keep it a secret. Which is a position I really don't understand.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 09:15 PM
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if someone asked you directly were you abused by him because they're dating him - would you lie or tell the truth?
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 09:12 PM
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That doesn't change what I said. You're allowed to think that method of vetting people is crass or stupid. But the fact is that the information she has in her hand is that he was violent and damaged property because he was angry - and she's not wondering if it's true or not, rather she's wondering if the fact that the other woman not being submissive or religious enough caused that. That is gross. Nobody deserves to be abused.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 09:10 PM
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Having totally different values is not an excuse to be violent. If he didn't like her values, he could have walked away instead of getting drunk and damaging property as a means to intimidate her.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 08:29 PM
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Got a source for that DV claim? I am aware that women commit child abuse/murder more but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is violence against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:03 AM
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YES. ALL OF THIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:43 PM
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how do you reconcile that with the fact that men still commit almost all violent crime against women? Today. That's happening right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah I think that's a fair point. I don't know anyone who considers themselves blue pill. Kind of like how conservatives use the label liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:14 AM
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That might work at a small rural christian college, but conservative men aren't going to get any play at the larger colleges because conservative men think they're all "indoctrination farms"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:48 PM
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Yeah I thought blue pill was just about egalitarianism and communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:20 AM
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Are men being persecuted and genocides? Is there legislation being passed to revoke their rights? No? Then the antisemitism comparison isn't apt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:28 AM
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The number of false claims is FAR fewer than the number of men who commit sexual and physical assault and see no consequences for it. But sure if that's something you're worried about, by all means avoiding situations where that could happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:49 AM
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How do you suggest women protect themselves from sexual and physical assault if not by using pattern recognition? It may be a small minority of men who commit crimes but it's a vast majority of women who have been subjected to those assaults. I always use the analogy of skittles. If someone handed you a bowl of 100 skittles and said 5 of them are poison but they all look the same, are you going to eat a handful of skittles?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:37 AM
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Feminism doesn't view men as aggressive though. Men are viewed as aggressive because pretty much all women have been assaulted in one shape or form by men. And men commit an overwhelming majority of violent crimes. That's pattern recognition. Feminism is just advocating for equality between the sexes and doesn't have anything to do with quality of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:21 AM
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No there weren't really any red flags leading up to that. These weren't long term relationships or anything, a few dates and then I noped out. It turns out abusive people are also very very charming. I'm not sure what lesbians being man hating would have to do with having bad sex. Lesbians report the highest sexual satisfaction of any other group. I'm really not sure what feminism has at all to do with having bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:29 PM
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Can you give an example of those spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:05 PM
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When I say cruel and abusive. One literally degraded me and told me that I'm ugly and it was a pity fuck while he was inside of me. He also told me he didn't care if I got off because I don't mean anything to him. Another choked and slapped me without even bothering to ask for consent. And yes, I never spoke to either again. If your experiences were with straight cis feminists, I'm going to point back to my theory that straight people just have bad sex. I don't think that has anything to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:05 PM
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Out of the handful of straight guys I've been with only one was a decent lover willing to learn and listen. The rest were selfish and inconsiderate at best, abusive and cruel at worst. By the numbers my experiences with straight cis men has been bad bad. Where as my experiences with varying flavors of queer men have been overwhelmingly positive. I'm so thankful I married a queer one lol. Some women are romance brained. Especially straight women. 🤷 I don't really think that's an unfair statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:53 AM
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I've never seen that response lol. What part of the internet are you seeing that in because we must frequent different corners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:39 AM
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I also don't think anyone is disallowing men to complain about bad sex. Men complain about starfish chicks and girls who don't give head all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:16 AM
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Women in my experience don't really expect a partner to be a pro at giving them pleasure. And I'm being gender neutral because I'm a bi woman who's had sex with primarily other bi women to base this data off of. Women expect their partner to have a basic understanding of anatomy and foreplay and be willing to put in the time and effort to learn how to pleasure them. And in my experience having had sex with multiple partners of...pretty much all genders actually...cis het men are the least likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:15 AM
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Is that a good book? I've known about it for some time but not read it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:10 AM
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So if your partner has a shitty attitude and you leave them, that doesn't make you not a decent human being. I'm really not sure why you brought up bad attitudes here, nobody is suggesting that you should be forced to put up with mistreatment. If someone is mistreating you, they're not a decent person and it's completely reasonable to walk away. that said, you shouldn't need incentives to be a good person. nobody should. you should be doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. if …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:22 PM
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And apparently women seem incapable of explaining what they need to men, incapable of teaching it to men pretty much any post online about women who have bad sex lives in committed relationships starts with "i have tried talking to him repeatedly and nothing changes" men post all. the. time. that they don't give a shit if their partner gets off as long as they do. what part of those things do women need to be held accountable for? be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:08 PM
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No I meant that it was the topic we were discussing. Not that I assumed they're lonely and sexless because they give bad advice. I am of the belief that in order to be able to give good advice on any topic, generally speaking, you need to have experience with that topic. If the topic is how to attract women and you've never attracted a woman (let's say I know this because you're complaining about that fact online not because I'm making an assumption about you), then I'm going to think you most l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:13 AM
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Yeah because the word Incel as you pointed out is meaningless. But this post is in fact about suggesting that lonely sexless men give each other advice about women. That's just the facts at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:04 AM
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If you think fat folks are somehow "blissfully ignorant" about how much the world fucking hates us. I can assure you that you a thousand percent incorrect, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:34 AM
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I never said the word Incel. You wrote an essay based on a conversation nobody is having.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:18 AM
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You might be right and I acknowledged some of that in other comments but good God dude. Their/there/they're. Please. This is so hard to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:49 PM
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I have a similar relationship to yours. My partner only gets off 1 or so times per session but I will get off dozens usually. It's a physiological difference. Men need (generally speaking) a lot more refractory time before they can have a 2nd orgasm. Most women don't. So generally speaking a gap where a guy gets off less often than his female partner isn't a matter of lack of care or effort on the woman's part but rather a physiological difference in bodies. The orgasm gap between men and women …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:32 PM
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why would married men with kids be seeking advice about how to attract women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:25 PM
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Yes and men complain constantly that's the wrong thing to do. But this guy is advocating for men doing the same thing to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:19 PM
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Do you think telling a fat girl who can't get a date that she's beautiful and wanted helps her just because she feels more confident?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:10 PM
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Does an incel need to hear that the reason they’re in this situation is solely because of their own doing? If it is solely of their own doing, and a lot of times it is, then yes they need to hear the fucking truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:47 PM
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how do you think ignoring women and their preferences will improve incels' chances of landing a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:21 PM
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right because lonely sexless men are experts on what women want and how to get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:20 PM
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yeah single payer is so expensive and convoluted that every single developed nation in the world has figured it out but the US. Couldn't possibly be that the US is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:52 PM
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I'm fairly tinfoil hat convinced that the democrats (as a party, the establishment) are paid opposition. They're just as much to blame for the mess we're in as the repubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:38 PM
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I think that's definitely part of it, yeah. the democrat establishment really screwed the pooch in 15/16
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:30 PM
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i do agree with that, democrats in this country are spineless and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:11 PM
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interesting. how long ago did you see that? what does "female radicalization" look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:10 PM
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birth rates are dropping to all time lows globally. even muslim communities, which traditionally can be counted on to always hit the replacement rate and then some, are no longer hitting the replacement rate. much of that is due to how economically awful it is to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:09 PM
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Values do not line up anymore as well. This is a really big one. Studies show that one of the shorter thought out consequences of men underperforming in education and the job market compared to women in the same age brackets is that men are lashing out by sliding more and more to the right politically. In essence, young men seem to have decided that since they can't get a woman who has independence and rights, they want to take those rights away and "go back to the 50s" which is never going to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:56 PM
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How can you love or care for a shallow person ? what data do you have on that? how do you know it's most? I've actually never met in real life a man who will be sexless and alone forever and thinks the solution is to whinge about it on the internet and treat women like shit. As far as i'm concerned this entire exercise is arguing with a fantasy world that doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:28 PM
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account would suggest that this behavior is changing something, it's not. And by the aguments being made here, the men who do this don't expect it to. So no, you're not holding anyone or anything to account, you're only making your own life small and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:24 PM
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that's frankly sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:53 PM
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then there is an articulable benefit. what is that benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:52 PM
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okay so then shouldn't the focus on a solution be therapy for thee men who judge every woman to be shallow in order for them to gain some self esteem and social skills? i still don't see the benefit to being cruel, hateful, and whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:47 PM
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what is the benefit of being cruel, hateful, bitter and whiny?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:45 PM
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How can you love or care for a shallow person ? I think the problem here isn't how can you love a shallow person but the fact that they're judging all women as shallow. but then again i don't know why i'm shocked at men acting like women aren't whole diverse and complex beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:40 PM
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and what quantitative evidence do you have of that? what are the numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:27 PM
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then the world is a sad shitty shallow place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:27 PM
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the fact that it's about being desired and having low self esteem makes sense. i'm an unattractive feminine presenting person with crippling low self esteem myself, so I GET that. I'm the kind of woman who's for example, never been asked out on a date and never been cold approached in public for context. But 1. my entire life philosophy and ability to be kind and respectful to people doesn't crumble because men don't approach me. and 2. i wouldn't think that being intentionally cruel to them wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:26 PM
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No. I think the idea that society hasn't acknowledged or is somehow downplaying the trope that women like bad boys when there's tens of thousands of media pieces about that exact topic is laughably stupid and warranting sarcasm. So. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:19 PM
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believing that most people have good intentions is delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:18 PM
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your point was society doesn't acknowledge the "prevelance" of this trope. My sarcastic response addresses exactly that - the fact that it is a trope means society has acknowledged it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:51 PM
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Then they're not good people. As a general rule of thumb, I try to presume people have good intentions and basic human empathy and respect until they show me otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:50 PM
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right because tropes come from things hat rarely happen....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:49 PM
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I’m saying that not all of them would if they could never have sex. Not all of them care now, I really don't care about what variables lead people to act like selfish douches. If they're going to lash out because they aren't having sex, they're not good people anyway and I don't care about their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:46 PM
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I know a lot of very good men. And many of them don't have sex and haven't in years and may never again because they don't put themselves out there. They still choose to care about women and all humans because they're humans and caring about them is the objective right thing to do. So yeah I'm going to choose to believe that the majority of people and men are good and thus would still care about humanity regardless of sex. do you really want to make the argument that yes all men are only empathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:39 PM
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spot the fuck on, thank you. this is so well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:30 PM
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advocating against empathy for women what good do you think that will do in his mission to get women to have more empathy towards men? this is the part I don't understand about the whole philosophy. "Women don't pay attention to me" is the problem right? not that women are being cruel or going out of their way to harm sexless men. we just...aren't sleeping with them. and their response is "in order to fix this problem, I will be a shitbag to women and go out of my way to make sure they know i do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:30 PM
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My kid is under 10. But he will always have the mind of a 4-5 year old. So no, I don't get to hope for that kind of future.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:24 AM
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I run half marathons for fun. Exercise doesn't cure treatment resistant depression and in the future it's crass (at best) to suggest that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:16 AM
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not really. if i had a good enough life insurance policy, it would actually be a net benefit to them for me to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:14 AM
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Again I have spent 34 out of 40 years suicidal. I have been to COUNTLESS doctors and therapists. It doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:13 AM
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Is acute fatality the only way to measure if something is harmful? You compared it to starvation. So yes, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:14 AM
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In healthcare, men have virtually no contraceptive options. do you know why that is? It's because men complained about the side effects of hormonal birth control and quit the clinical trials. The exact same side effects that women endure in order to have contraception mental healthcare is largely built around the female mind and female patterns of behaviour. lmao no. all healthcare research, including mental healthcare is historically only studied in men. In the united states if you apply for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:12 AM
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Are you sure? OP's whole post is about how men shouldn't care about equal rights or harm to other human beings unless someone is fucking them. yeah, pretty fucking sure. which is why it gets the most attention. It's getting the most attention because grifters figured out if they whipped enough sexless men into a frenzy, they'd make tons of money selling them bullshit. stop using the tate brothers as your social support and a lot of these issues get resolved. Not getting enough fat can lead to ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:41 PM
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Sure but again, you'll notice these red and black pillers are focused on only one of those things. If you have a romantic partner but no sex and no social supports, you'll have a lower quality of life. if you have casual sex but no steady life partner and no social supports, you'll have a lower quality of life. if you have social supports but no romance or sex, you'll have arguably the least low quality of life out of the 3 options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:22 PM
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Then apparently men don't have any real problems because that frankly shouldn't be the pinnacle of anyone's issues when abuse, violence, hunger, and poverty exist for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:12 PM
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AND women should care about men’s. Agreed - when it comes to things like equal treatment under the law, access to healthcare, access to education and employment, and general safety/wellbeing in public. What OP is saying is that he doesn't care about those things unless some woman is fucking him. Which is...gross. at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:11 PM
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this entire post could have been summed up with "if i can't get laid, i don't think women deserve rights because i don't understand how societies work"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:09 PM
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He said he's a bitter asshole and likes to be one, that he actively wants people to dislike him. Sounds stupid as fuck to me, but I'm just giving the boy what he says he wants. If that's not his aim, he should use his words and ask for something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:46 PM
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sounds like you're probably disliked because you're a bitter asshole and an idiot. there's got to be a better way to have sanity. i'd suggest therapy but i get the feeling you're the kind of incel that thinks it's make believe. hope you have the time you deserve with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:37 PM
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hating people is good for your sanity? am i understanding that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:34 PM
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and human connection only comes in the form of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:32 PM
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So you think hating all women is going to get you laid? Genuinely asking here because that doesn't make any sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:31 PM
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the fact that men seem to think loneliness is just about access to sex is wild and completely baffling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:28 PM
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I don't really believe anyone that attempts suicide is "attention seeking" tbh. Having experienced suicidal ideation for 34 of my 40 years and been accused of just that, it's pretty offensive. To get to the point where you're planning any.method to end your own life requires a deep pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:16 AM
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Suicidal ideation is extremely nuanced and complex. It's not a single cause that can be summed up as in "too much pain" it's variable from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:14 AM
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This is basically my plan too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:11 AM
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Consider it a privilege that you've never been suicidal. A lot of people become suicidal because they think they're a burden on their loved ones. Leaving a mess really cements that status as a burden so we largely do our best to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:10 AM
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Almost all of the above reasons seem like mental health issues or normal concerns. Well yeah, being suicidal is a mental health issue....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:04 AM
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But, what made you NOT do the suicide I failed several attempts and now too many people rely on my income to make the permanent exit and other DO the suicide? I don't think anyone will ever know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:03 AM
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You're welcome to go find the studies. The articles I've read have been in Psychology Today and Scientific American.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:52 AM
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Hanging leaves as much of a mess as overdose does it not? Depends, it's a pretty gruesome death and some bodies void their bowels after death or bleed from the mouth and nose during the hanging. it's a really disturbing image for someone to find versus an overdose or CO where the dead person typically just looks like they're asleep. Something also tells me that if your going through with suicide, one of the last concerns you have is what your leaving behind. As someone who was born and socialize…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:49 AM
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Women are less violent and tend to not want to leave a physical mess behind to clean up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:43 AM
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The studies and articles I've read on the topic indicate that the core difference is that women tend to not want to leave a mess that someone else has to clean up because of how women are socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:42 AM
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Women attempt suicide at 4x the rate of men. The reason men "succeed" more is that they tend to use more finalistic methods like guns or hanging where women typically overdose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:25 AM
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Often viewed as the default caregiver in family contexts. How exactly is that a privilege? The end result is that even when both parents work, women are still responsible for 85+% of the household and childcare labor. More post conception rights than men such as abortion or safe havens. You know that men can use those save haven baby boxes too right? What "post conception" rights do you think men should have given that they're not caring for the child or as OP pointed out - risking death and dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:23 AM
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I wouldn't say a lot. Maybe a dozen or so across my entire life and I'm 40. The vast majority were horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:14 AM
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Yes no date is better than a date where you literally get bullied. I've had dudes swipe on me on apps just to message me and tell me to kill myself. I've gone on dates with ugly and average looking guys who told me they asked me out so they could tell me in person no one would ever fuck me and I should give up. I'd rather be left alone than seen as a target to bully.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:03 AM
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I assure you, it would not. It would make you never want to risk going out on a date ever again. It's traumatic. If the only reason you're asking me out is because you're bored and want to be mean to me, just leave me alone. Where is the win?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:57 AM
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Oh no. As an unattractive woman, when the purpose of the date is to shit on you it's not a win. It fucking sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:54 AM
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Where exactly is the win?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:47 AM
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This is the fundamental point where beliefs diverge. I'm married to the "love of my life" we've been together 26 years, high school sweethearts, the whole bit. And in this scenario I would still give up this relationship for option 2. My romantic relationship is not automatically the most important person in my life and my life is rich outside of that relationship. As everyone's life should be. Giving all of that up for a single person is wildly unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:25 AM
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So do you think every relationship is transactional?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:53 AM
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So you think women are sociopaths? Why don't you just come out and say what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:52 AM
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Why would you be in a relationship with someone you don't trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:30 AM
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So you just don't treat women like people?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:18 AM
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Do you expect your partner to share 100% of your hobbies and interests with you and have no independent interests outside of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:17 AM
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In terms of male friends, a good thought exercise for you - are bisexual people just never allowed to have friends at all if they're in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:15 AM
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Having a life outside of your romantic relationship is really important. There's nothing wrong with spending the majority of your time with your partner is generally fine and healthy. But spending all of your time with your partner is how you lose your sense of self and sense of identity. There's also some truth to "how can I miss you if you never go away" and "absence makes the heart grow fonder" I've been married 25, almost 26 years next week and I'd say my husband and I spent about 60-70% of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:12 AM
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The number one cause of death in pregnant women is their male partners murdering them. Tell me again how misandry is worse than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:50 PM
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A boss who overlooks promoting someone because they are a woman is far worse Pete Hegseth has entered the chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:48 PM
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Sounds like you have shitty friends. My friends don't act disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:35 PM
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Violence and aggression do express something. Yeah mostly they communicate that you're too stupid to find better ways to communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:01 PM
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men do all of these things to each other constantly and it's just called conversation. So men are rude and shitty at conversation all the time? yeah, that doesn't exactly make them sound any more appealing to be around. Further, I am a female born person who's spent my entire career in male-dominated fields and I have personally witnessed multiple men who act like that with women and don't with men so you're also just full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:57 PM
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