TomCatoNineLives Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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1	Being able to have sex at any time is still a privilege. My fucking retarded what? The object of that sentence is missing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 02:21 AM
1	Being able to have sex at any time is still a privilege. If hitting little girls is your thing, I think this is the wrong subreddit, bud.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 02:13 AM
1	Being able to have sex at any time is still a privilege. My point never misses the hole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 02:05 AM
2	Being able to have sex at any time is still a privilege. I don't starve. A lot of other men I've known don't starve either. And women don't have pesticide to get rid of pestersome men. They have to pick through their options by hand. If you ever date a woman of any attractiveness who has public-facing social media or dating app accounts, ask to see her inbox.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 01:59 AM
–	Being able to have sex at any time is still a privilege. I've heard it put well before that in terms of sexual attention, men may metaphorically be in a desert, but women are in a sewer. Looked at that way, is a large supply of sewage an advantage? Women may have more readily available access to sexual opportunities, due to the fact that men are relatively undiscriminating. But if the majority of those opportunities would result in experiences that are unsatisfying to women, or even potentially dangerous to them (such that even rejecting offers could …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 12:37 AM
1	What is the real reason some men are able to have success with love and some aren’t? I don't know that there is one missing "X" factor. There could be a lot of different things. Some men just may not be very social or sociable, and so don't put themselves in situations in which they're likely to meet people. Some may have a low tolerance for risking rejection, and so never take a chance. Some may be dealing with unresolved shame or trauma that keeps them from connecting with other people. I would expect that very many are emotionally underdeveloped and undersocialized (which is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 08:03 PM
2	Truth being friends with lots of girls may also be a negative. Especially if none of them are attracted to you. Women are all niche taste.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 08:40 PM
0	Truth being friends with lots of girls may also be a negative. Especially if none of them are attracted to you. Disagree with all except point number (1). Women by a certain point of development can acknowledge and understand that their own attraction is individualistic and subjective. (This is the core difference between the female and male gaze: the acceptance of diversity and individuality as to what's attractive. Ironically, men are the "herd minded" ones in that they project their own desires onto women and assume that women's attraction is as objective and uniform as men's often is.) A woman can mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 08:38 PM
1	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. So, i read up on your kink profile and see how my comment regarding your partner was not hitting the right mark. I understand, that your partner is desirable for you, but not for a lot of other men. So there is no reason for me to be sorry that your partner isn't wanted by many men. In such a niche, that doesn't carry the same meaning as in the mainstream. I apologize for that remark. If you have any familiarity with kink community dynamics, you'd probably be able to surmise based on that fact a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 05:02 PM
1	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I'm citing your own words here, that apparently in your relationship with your girlfriend, "the reason she is with you, is because you out compete the other men who want her." So apparently, she doesn't value you for "being you," but only in comparison to other men, according to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:40 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. That you can apparently only appreciate your own value or that of your alleged relationship based on what other men have or don't have earns you my pity. I hope you can someday find some other value in life once you're no longer able to credibly compete in the way you think you must.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:20 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Though given how preoccupied you are with what other men want, maybe that's no loss for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 02:51 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Sorry to hear that no woman wants you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 02:49 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Pretty sure that my girlfriend would disagree. I have no competition as far as she's concerned. I feel sorry for any man who feels this way about his woman: that he's just the sperm who won, or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 01:28 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I'm not sure about that consensus. What it feels like to me is that men are desperately trying to get their society to tell them what to be and what role they're supposed to play, and they're increasingly thrashing about desperately, almost in survival mode, trying to get that answer. The answer they're getting back is: "Stop asking us to tell you who you are. All we can tell you is what we don't want you to be. Figure the rest out for yourself."	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:04 AM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I hate to break it to you, but both historically and in the present day, the societal function of physical protection was never actually that significant relative to other functions, nor were its participants all that influential, whatever romanticism has been associated with it. (A lot of that romanticism was constructed to convince aimless young men into giving up their freedom and risking life and limb taking up arms.) It has not generally correlated with who actually rules a society. (There'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 02:56 AM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. However, feminism for the most part has only been held up and protected for so long because men as a collective are benevolent. It is no less true that men, their movements, and their civilization have been held up and protected for so long because women as a whole are benevolent. Men as a collective can decide tomorrow just by force to get rid of feminism, turn women into second class citizens and/or property in a very short amount of time with little to no resistance. Not really. Neither men n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 12:16 AM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. That... could be one way to go. However, there's a reason that I wrote "that is going to require deciding what those interests and what that wellbeing is, first." I think that conversation needs to happen among men, first. (And also probably individually for each man: I don't think each and every man will or needs to find the same answer, in the same way that women no longer must accept one single way of defining their lives.) It's not something we should wait or need to wait on the rest of the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 12:03 AM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. No social movement gets much traction without support from both men and women. Any society collapses without their cooperation. That's my point, and I'd take it as axiomatic. Ironically, even anti-feminism has required the active and enthusiastic involvement of women. (Read up on Phyllis Schlafly if you don't know who she is.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 11:39 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I'm not sure how we break down (or if we need to break down) the difference between "being persuasive" and "making a compelling case for sympathy." I think it's enough to say that feminists in the last century were able to convince enough people that women were in an unfairly disadvantaged social position in several significant domains and that there ought to be some social changes and reforms to improve their position. This argument had a natural audience for women (who had personal interests i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 11:08 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. What that graph is showing for the sake of our discussion it that men are functioanlly paying to be in society while women are functionally getting paid to be in society. No, it appears to show that men (for about 30-35 years of their lives, basically during their later working years and ignoring their lives up to about age 40 and after 75) are paying more in taxes than they're taking out, while everyone else takes out more in taxes than they put in. (Again, there is no way even looking at this …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 10:36 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Women aren't "prizes." Treating them that way is corrosive. I frankly get a long laugh at every so-called "trophy wife" who eventually takes her husband to the cleaners in divorce court.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 10:04 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. If your aesthetic and/or artistic tastes exclude anything produced by junkies or plagiarists (however defined), they must be really boring.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 09:22 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I get the argument, but being persuasive and being able to make a compelling case for sympathy are core, fundamental requirements for success in any kind of consensual political system (even if only to preach to your own choir). It's a necessary but not sufficient condition. And, frankly, it seems that many self-styled men's advocates, especially as of this year, are doing everything they can to flunk that requirement. I would very much disagree with any suggestion that men are without any capac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 08:00 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. I made reference to that mostly because it's the only domain in which force or violence is going to be relevant. IMHO, men are still a good number of steps from having to worry about state capture. I'd quote Lennon-McCartney here: "[y]ou tell me it's the institution, well, you know, you better free your mind instead."	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 07:49 PM
–	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Now 50 of those men decide to split off and create their own village...do they just die because men are hunters and therefore can't obtain the necessary berries? No, all that happens is that a little less than half the men become gatherers and there's no issue(besides reproduction). Reproduction is a pretty big "task to be done" in terms of whether a society dies off. And I don't see why if "a little less than half the men became gatherers," some proportion of the women couldn't also become hunt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 07:44 PM
1	Men should approach less and reject more Nah, that person may still get approached by someone else. And the first person making the approach (or not) can also just as easily approach someone else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:50 PM
11	Men should approach less and reject more Desperation will never leave anyone with power. But it's false that whoever gets approached has the power. Whoever approaches has the power of deciding whether anyone will get approached at all, which is power itself. What men should do is be more selective in whom they approach, and make approaches with more consideration and effort. That means first knowing and understanding themselves, then developing an understanding of the qualities they want in another person, and how best to approach such…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:27 PM
1	Men need to learn to be happy being single I largely agree, though I would put it that men need to learn how to be able to be happy being single. In other words, men need to learn how to be happy in and of themselves, without depending on a romantic partner to provide their happiness for them. That pattern makes men desperate, possessive, and controlling, and it leaves women overwhelmed and withdrawing to protect themselves. True intimacy cannot survive under those circumstances. In short, men need to stop viewing women as some sort of c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:13 PM
1	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Not really. Ever since prehistory, women have contributed a great deal to men. The first "gatherers" in hunter-gatherer societies were women. As far as we can tell, the first farmers were women, which in a sense makes women directly responsible for agriculture, and, thus, civilization. Women have also traditionally been the primary keepers and guardians of households and families in most societies. As we scale up in social organization and complexity, women have typically dominated the support i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:08 PM
1	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. It's an individual action problem before it's a collective action problem. Too few men, especially the ones who gravitate to what there is of many "men's movements" (MRAs, incels, whatever), have their own act together well enough to contribute much of anything to a collective. They're often actually a net-negative in a collective because their individual problems will tank the collective. I mentioned the state monopoly on violence in another reply. That's why movements and ideologies in develop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 05:54 PM
2	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. They really are not. If they were, we'd be in trouble, because the condition of too many men's shoulders can barely hold themselves up right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 05:48 PM
5	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Yet your example immediately after this is the Boeing strike, which is an example of a collectivist violent mafia. Which is exactly my point: the negotiation can't be a peaceful one. I don't know where you get any of that. The strike is being conducted lawfully and peacefully, in accord with the union's legally-protected right to strike. Given Boeing's general circumstances right now, management sounds almost desperate to settle. This cannot work. Because men are not women. Granted. What point a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 05:46 PM
3	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. By "strength," I assume you mean force or violence. Most ideologies in developed societies are developed with the expectation of eventually capturing the state to some degree, and, thereby, relying on the state's monopoly on violence for enforcement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 05:39 PM
13	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Feminism wouldn't even be reality if men didn't sacrifice their lives fighting for it, if people aren't ready to sacrifice themselves for any ideology This is a fatuous, self-aggrandizing fantasy, of which too many men are subject. ("We hunted the mammoth!") Men and women have been and are dependent on each other for any and all of society to function, and we'd have nothing without their cooperation. Get your head out of the silly, self-sacrificing fantasy, of thinking that you're Atlas and the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 03:12 PM
17	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. If you want to treat your own interests as subject to the vote of others, that's on you. Ultimately, nobody is ever going to care about you or your interests and wellbeing more than you will. You have choices in what jobs you take under what conditions (as I speak, there are 33,000 machinists at Boeing, the majority of them men, striking where I live, the latest in a series of likely successful labor actions this year). You have choices in terms of how you take care of your physical and mental h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 03:02 PM
24	Jordan Peterson tells young men to sacrifice themselves and endure. Young men should suck it up. It is my belief that men have the right to opt out of a society that discriminates against them. Men need to renegotiate their "deal" with society in a manner similar to how women did with feminism in the last century. We need to renegotiate the deal to put our own interests and wellbeing foremost, and to stop sacrificing those things for others (whether they ever asked us to sacrifice or not). However, that is going to require deciding what those interests and what that wellbeing is, first. One thing it will have to involve is breaking out of the thinking that women (or families, or social…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 02:40 PM
1	No one, not even women, can actually read the room properly Welcome to the male half of the species: nobody is going to care about your problems more than you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 09:28 PM
1	No one, not even women, can actually read the room properly Then go be a monk. Nobody else's problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 08:05 PM
1	No one, not even women, can actually read the room properly I'm the parent of an autistic child, the partner of an autistic adult, and very likely an undiagnosed autistic adult myself (multiple people who have known me well have — without prompting, without knowing each other, and with experience with autism — all suggested that I am likely autistic). If someone, for whatever reason, needs to ask for clarity on a social situation, they should. (If someone is autistic, believe me, they'll be doing it a lot in the course of a relationship. I speak from exp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 09:51 PM
-1	You will not get arrested for approaching a woman. This idea is coming from men who are ridiculously inflating their own anxiety and uncertainty about approaching women into a fictional legal melodrama.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 08:46 PM
-1	No one, not even women, can actually read the room properly Learn to flirt, then. This means test the waters, escalate slowly, and watch the results closely. Too many men want to go from zero to 100 the moment any woman even looks like she's showing potential interest ("potential" being the operative word). Unfortunately, a lot of men probably wind up scaring off women who might've otherwise been interested this way. (Know how women often worry about "coming on too strong?" This is projection.) Autism is no excuse. If you can view the whole world as some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 06:46 PM
1	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice Yeah, I get that. My point the whole time has been: what difference does that really make? Most people are nowhere near one extreme or the other. There is enough variation in what people are attracted to for most people to succeed romantically. There are a lot of dimensions of attraction beyond the outer physical shell. And, ultimately, most people are really only going to need the attraction and affection of just one other person to be happy and fulfilled. When you look at the real world, and a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 01:49 PM
2	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice You seem to want to put everyone on some spectrum of Brad Pitt to Danny DeVito, which certainly seems like it's in search of some kind of relevant objective standard of something. I'm suggesting that it generally isn't, especially for the great mass of people who fall somewhere well in the middle on the Pitt-DeVito scale. If I got rejected by a woman for not looking like Brad Pitt, I'd probably laugh at her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 04:14 AM
4	The me too movement was a moral panic that fundamentally overreached and caused new issues for regular men Go ahead. Show me millions of examples of anything. I've got the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 04:09 AM
12	The me too movement was a moral panic that fundamentally overreached and caused new issues for regular men Lashing out with verbal/physical abuse when one has been rejected is a trait not at all exclusive to men. The labels of entitlement are deserving. The saying that "men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them" succinctly sums up the difference here. Likewise, while women (generally speaking) may believe they are effectively using non-verbal communication to signal lack of interest in being approached, they wouldn’t be getting approached if that were true…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 03:54 AM
2	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice Frankly, you're all over the place here, such that I still can't even understand your point or why it's relevant. You're shifting the goalposts reply by reply. First it was about rejection not being personal, then about romantic success (within which, I'd say that stable relationships probably count as some kind of romantic success), and now it's "ATTRACTIVENESS," however that is defined. (And I'm still not sure why it would be relevant, however one defines it.) If you're talking about purely ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 02:18 AM
2	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice Well, it's relevant because it has implications for the chances of romantic success of particular people. It has minimal implications. If it had any greater than minimal implications, everyone who doesn't look like Brad Pitt or any of his past girlfriends or wives would have gone extinct. It has fewer significant implications than many more things that are much more under a person's control (like habits, behavior, ability to be a caring partner). Frankly, I think a lot of men who have this kind …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 01:41 AM
5	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice One can accept that attractiveness (including physical attractiveness specifically) is subjective, while also accepting that preferences for particular features are not evenly distributed among the population. That may be true, but who cares? Why is it relevant? I'm not dating the entirety of the population, neither are you, and neither is anyone else. I may not look like Brad Pitt. That has the sum total of relevance to my life that I probably won't ever have as successful a Hollywood career as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 12:51 AM
28	The me too movement was a moral panic that fundamentally overreached and caused new issues for regular men Men who don't get why Me Too was an issue are communicating that they have never had very many women in their lives who trusted them enough to be vulnerable and honest about having survived sexual assault or other gender-based violence. Most regular men may not have been Harvey Weinstein, but very many regular women most certainly have been assaulted, threatened, or stalked by men. It only takes so many men to do a lot of damage. Very few women blame all men or assume that all men are going to b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 12:26 AM
2	Luck plays a much larger role in dating success than most people like to admit Luck plays a large role in life. But we get a lot of opportunities to do things in life, including repeated opportunities. Over time, if one keeps consistently getting similar results, then it should be clear to any honest student of statistics that there's some kind of bias involved, and that we aren't dealing with purely random results. Until relatively recently, I felt that I had bad luck with relationships. It was less that I had trouble dating or finding people to date (I didn't), as it was…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 11:48 PM
3	Telling men and women to "not take rejection personally" is usually poor advice Disagree strongly. For one, the reason someone gets turned down might have nothing to do with them. (For example, the person they're asking isn't at a place in their life where they feel available to date.) For another, this plays into the fallacy that there's some objective or universal scale of attractiveness. (Heterosexual men in particular are subject to falling into this trap.) People's "types" are all over the place, and have nothing to do with any sort of objective value. I had an ex who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 10:56 PM
–	CMV: A man isn't obligated to step in and save a woman from being mugged or assaulted. I'm not going to try to CYV on this. What I will do is point out that the vast majority of violent crime against women is perpetrated by intimate partners. Women are, in fact, significantly less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes committed by strangers. The focus that many men put on the threat that women face from abstract threats, like dangerous strangers, and men's supposed value in protecting women from these abstract threats, is often a way to avoid grappling with the reality t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 11:46 PM