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Of course they do. Women are not capable of caring about anything but themselves and the benefits they receive from a man. Why is this even a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 02:13 PM
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That's how women treat relationships, as if they are your employer. You produce for their benefit, or get cut loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 10:12 PM
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Absolutely none whatsoever. They are manipulative, selfish, lazy, spoiled, and will never give a fuck about a man outside of his ability to be useful to her, and yet for some fuckin reason I'm expected to practically worship the flawless female, then serve and provide selflessly
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:55 PM
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Sure. Theoretically that's great. The reality is women don't do that. They only care about the net benefit gained
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 11:49 AM
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which requires a lot more getting to know you vetting you to determine what benefit you'll provide me FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 06:22 PM
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It's also funny how there are only bad "male behaviors" in the world but no bad female behaviors Now you understand how they think. That's how spoiled and stupid women are
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 06:20 PM
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Make up. That's literally it. WOW SUCH HARDSHIP. Meanwhile, men lift weights, work on game and how to navigate a woman's audition process where she judges his worthiness of speaking to her, get high paying jobs because women don't give a shit unless he has more money than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:41 AM
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No woman is CAPABLE of doing that. They cannot comprehend anything except whether or not they are benefited, doing anything for anyone else, doing anything besides sitting back and taking is foreign to their primitive brains
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:48 PM
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Other men need to be warned of just what sort of shit deal they are expected to accept from those worthless leeches
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:03 PM
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Yeah but no woman will ever do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 11:30 PM
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encourage police to arrest someone a man when there is a DV call That's the law. A man goes to jail no one questions asked. Therefore it is legal for women to make false statements to police because they are required to arrest a man regardless of evidence. Second, there are no shield clauses that prevent the prosecution of liars. Perjury is still a crime That's true, but it only applies to men. Women are explicitly allowed to lie. If that wasn't true, I wouldn't be due in court again Monday desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 08:34 PM
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The mandatory arrest clauses and shield clauses preventing prosecution of liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:47 PM
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Just turn it around, done, it's as simple as that. I don't get what you mean. I still do not understand how you can possibly defend such a spoiled leech
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:47 PM
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Qualities yes. Good qualities absolutely not. Literally zero. They leech, they sit back with outstretched hands while demanding to be impressed and provided for and hating men who refuse to comply. They are shit. That's why I don't wear a red flair, you people are still "plugged in" where you acknowledge what they are but still attempt to engage them and provide for them while getting jack shit back but some pussy every now and then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:20 PM
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It seems like no matter how many relationships like mine that exist, It doesn't exist, at least how you present it/perceive it. Women are so incredibly spoiled that you actually believe that giving a man more opportunities to prove himself to you counts as doing something for him. You, as a man, are telling me, a woman, how my mind works Yes. You are completely incapable of processing any information beyond "Does this benefit me. If yes, accept, if no discard" That's it. You are extremely primit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:17 PM
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They just make life better, just by being there. Lolwut You actually believe a leech devoid of any redeeming qualities makes life better?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:09 PM
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The Violence Against Women Act. Men are to be presumed guilty until proven innocent and she can't be prosecuted for deliberately lying. This is because of the Duluth Model which states that men are inherently violent and even if there is no evidence, he must have abused her so she didn't technically lie
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:05 PM
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Sometimes they can't even do that... No sometimes about it. A woman who is not receiving continuously from a man will fucking hate that man
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:47 PM
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Either single or in a healthy, fulfilling relationship. That's a myth for men. Women require men to work for her benefit and in return get even more expectations and demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:45 PM
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No, at the end of the day, you're not owed anything or entitled to anything from anyone Somebody should really get around to telling women that then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:45 PM
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Yes it does. VAWA legalises female perjury and false accusations by removing the requirement for innocent until proven guilty and preventing prosecutions of liars with associated Shield Laws
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:40 PM
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It's absolutely true. No woman has ever put any work whatsoever into a relationship, because they believe men exist to do her bidding, and that's what you're so pissy about is not getting what you obviously deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:09 PM
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You're a woman. That's all you do. You exist, sit back, and expect to be given to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:00 PM
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Existing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:58 PM
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Not exactly a TRPer, but absolutely, and it's pretty major. Men operate on right/wrong, women operate on cost/benefit. So really, only men are capable of morality, women are only capable of processing whether or not they benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:55 PM
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That's all you said. You did the bare minimum, are mad that the best men aren't falling over themselves to do your bidding. I repeat. Boo. Fucking. Hoo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:53 PM
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quality men Considering that a full 80% of men are considered below average by women, seems you are mad that a top 1% man isn't falling over himself to prove himself worthy of you. Boo fucking Hoo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:43 PM
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Except filing false police reports is actually a crime. Not if you're a woman. VAWA legalizes female perjury and female false reporting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:40 PM
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That doesn't exist. Period. No woman is loyal, at all, whatsoever, absolutely no exceptions. A woman is a very basic creature, a worthless leech capable only of "loyalty" to benefits. They are not capable of processing right and wrong, only cost/benefit. When a woman "commits" to a man, it is temporary, she is always seeking an upgrade because no woman cares at all about a man, only what he does for her, and there is ALWAYS a better deal out there. This is shown by all the shit men have to go th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:32 PM
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and you think that is the honest to god truth? I don't think that. I know that. Big difference. Pussy ain't worth that shit, and that's all they have. Again, literally the only expectation left is too much to handle. Just don't be a fucking cow. That's it! And even that is too much. Their other expectations are long gone, they were simple things like "don't be a cheating whore" but thanks to decades of crying about slut shaming, even loyalty is out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:38 AM
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No woman has anything whatsoever to offer a man besides demands and hoops to jump through, and no, you aren't special so don't lie and say you are. There's a reason that this fat acceptance nonsense is only for women, they aren't exactly about to put Jonah Hill from Accepted out there as a poster boy. That reason is that women are too burdened by their literally only expectation and feel that men should do everything for them. decent women Does not exist period. All are worthless spoiled wastes …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:23 AM
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Cynical, yes. Distorted? Absolutely not. Women are incredibly spoiled and demand perfection while offering jack shit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:13 AM
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Damn right I'm bitter. You're a woman, you don't have to deal with expectations other than don't be fat but even that's too goddamn difficult and oppressive, so you don't get it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:11 AM
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They'd be hypocritical if they demanded a beauty standard in their mate while arguing their mate can't hold a beauty standard them self. Well they do. For fat bitches, they have this shit shaming men who don't want to jump through her hoops to fuck her (because all women demand the service of men) but if a man isn't perfection incarnate? Lol man up pussy, get to it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly a weak fat fuck bitching into my tub of ice cream, 6 days a week at the gym to get back into fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:34 AM
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Why the ever living shit would you want to treat women better? They will only give a fuck about you as long as you are directly useful, compliant, and provide. Those parasites don't deserve it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:24 AM
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Because it IS rape
/r/PussyPass14/09/15 09:51 PM
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Mainstream liberalism isn't any different. Instead of "God will punish you for impurity" it's "stop objectifying shitlord"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 02:42 PM
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Not exactly, they just don't give a shit about men who aren't useful to them. If he isn't providing some form of benefit, he's discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:28 AM
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I've seen tons of men wish that they had no sex drive or were gay or whatever just so they wouldn't have to deal with women anymore Then maybe you ought to fucking quit that behavior? Lolfuckthat were just supposed to man up and deal with it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:27 AM
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Isn't it amazing how women feel entitled to be served by men and if he has the audacity to seek anything in return, somehow HE is entitled?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:23 AM
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Society in general only gives a flying fuck about men as long as they are compliant and produce for the benefit of women, so no they fucking won't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 02:33 AM
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Yep, learned all this shit the hard way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:49 AM
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You're a good boy who complies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:48 AM
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Well holy shit. I'm unflaired because I've never even been to the sub, but how about that? Independently I discovered something that already has a name
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:46 AM
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Context clues tells me the phenomenon I described has a name?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:42 AM
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Why? We know how they behave and think. If at any point she senses he won't be of willing service, he's discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:32 AM
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Lol k. That's why you're white knighting so hard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:28 AM
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No,they get "destroyed" because women and tons of men react very negatively to men who don't view themselves as merely tools to suit the needs of women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:26 AM
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Yeah basically, but you left out not just securing good genes for her baby, but also securing a mans resources
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:03 AM
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I already explained that, but being under their thumb, you can't understand it. You're still programmed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:54 AM
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You flat out lied. Women have literally only one expectation in relationships and even that is deemed too much by your feminist buddies. Cry and cry all you want about unfair beauty standards while still expecting men to be thin and athletic (which takes far more work than women who just have to put down the fucking cake), wealthy, charming, witty, yet submissive enough to take your commands. That level of entitlement would be impressive and sad at the same time if it wasn't standard female beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:53 AM
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When someone lies deliberately, they deserve to be treated with dismissal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:45 AM
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Well I assume you are RP and have certain expectations for women other than being thin. Am I correct I would, but have discovered it's a total waste of time. Not one is capable of giving a shit about anything beyond what immediately benefits her, so any expectations of good behavior will never be met. And no, I don't think society in general has "literally" only one expectation for women otherwise it's considered oppressive. Then you're a fucking idiot, plain and simple. Take for example, being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:39 AM
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I'm talking society in general. You say that, but remember you people commonly deride having any expectations whatsoever for women as misogynistic and opressive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:23 AM
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Because you'll tell any lies neccesary to maintain the illusion that it's possible for women to actually give a shit about a man beyond his direct tangible value. Women believe that they show up, their part is done, now it's up to a man to prove himself worthy of being allowed to be her primary servant. You're brainwashed because you not only accept it, but actively defend it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:34 PM
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From birth we are trained as boys and men that our purpose in life is to work for the benefit of women. It wasn't long ago, last 6 months or so that I finally got fed up with the bullshit I'm expected to put up with from women and their insane entitlements. They fully expect to be served and provided for by men and reciprocation is out of the question
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:30 PM
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That's not how it works at all. You may be sufficiently tricked into believing that her allowing you to prove yourself counts as her doing something for you,but not all of us are. I get it, I do, I used to be just as brainwashed as you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:22 PM
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Christ almighty you can't actually be this dense. Women show up, and expect men to work for her benefit and prove himself worthy. Denying that is just plain stupid. There's a reason dating advice for men is what to do and how to navigate this audition process, whereas women are taught how to properly select to ensure they get the best deal
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:07 PM
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You fucking serious? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:57 PM
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I don't at all. They do. I refuse to put myself through their requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:45 PM
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(wrongly assuming that girls don't like sex too That's reasonable given the lengths men are required to go to before she "blesses" him with that "gift"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:32 PM
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Not quite red but 100% anti blue whipped "men" and spoiled women (redundant statement, I know). I used to play football in high school, started fighting in college(Muy Thai and JuiJit Sui). I'm lifting like a madman these days to get back into fighting shape and finding a gym near here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:23 PM
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The normal man ridicules "fatties" quite a bit, maybe not to their faces but at least among their male friends. And why is that bad? It's literally the only expectation on women and even that's deemed too difficult and oppressive but we're still fully expected to not only be thin and fit, which is far more difficult because men need to be muscular and just putting down the cake isn't enough, but also rich, powerful, charismatic, charming, funny, stoic, and her bitch as well
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:18 PM
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But the majority of men don't, either. Boys are trained from birth that their purpose in life is to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of women, so that isn't surprising
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 08:15 PM
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Like all women, they don't give two shits about men whatsoever. They are merely angry that there exists a subset of men who won't follow their commands and selflessly serve and provide and be ok with the lack of reciprocation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 10:43 PM
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This, right here, is honestly why people have such a beef with TRP. You certainly would have a problem with someone giving advice to women to treat all men as rapists, wouldn't you? Men are held responsible for bad behavior, women are not. Therein lies the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:36 PM
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Would you say you hate women? It certainly seems that way.. Less hate, more... I'm not entirely sure what the word is. Hate is an active thing. Hate is seeking to harm through deliberate action. It's more accurate to say I am disillusioned or disgusted by them. I would certainly bring no harm to anyone outside of competition or the mosh pit, but I absolutely reject any and all expectations they have for me and reject any and all requests for any kind of favor of service because I know damn well …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:46 PM
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But then continued to defend what they were saying. There's no getting around that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:35 PM
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You've been the point of this discussion the entire time. In a way yes. It's been about my failure to fulfill a mans duties and obligations to simply kneel, follow female commands, and shoulder the respnsibility when she inevitably behaves badly. The exlect defense of this entitlement women have used to shock me when I first learned to recognize it, but it no longer does. She's making fun of you because she has approached you as a human would and tried reasoning with you, If you call reasoning "…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 09:13 PM
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See? This is the response to men who refuse the obligations to serve selflessly, accept the responsibility for female behavior, and take all their shit with a smile on his face.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:16 PM
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Okay... All women believe women are flawless and perfect Yes. Women force men to perform tasks for them and jump through their hoops to prove themselves worthy. Should be adequately pas this audition, he is then allowed to serve her more frequently as her temporary placeholder while she seeks an upgrade. Women behave horribly by male standards all the time, but because responsibility and accountability are only for men, they never understand that selfishness is not a virtue(of course, only for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:49 AM
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The snarkiness confirms I am correct. You break down in the face of accountability for your behavior because you've never been exposed to accountabikity and thus have no concept of it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:41 AM
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The snarkiness only serves to deflect away from being called out on directly endorsing that men owe women unconditional service and women only behave "badly" when a man fails in his duties
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:37 AM
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The statement you agreed with said you are responsible for only your actions alone. Not anyone else's actions. So it would follow that you cannot be responsible for women's actions Not at all. It means men are responsible for themselves and nobody else is. This includes how women treat them because a mans failings are what precedes shitty treatment from women. Women are naturally flawless and perfect, and thus only behave badly when a man deserves it. I don't agree with that, but all women do an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:35 AM
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It is logically impossible for something like 3.5 billion people to behave/think the same and believe the same thing Not at all. You cunts have no issue at all talking about myths like rape culture where all men are rapists but have a shit fit when any bad female behavior at all is suggested to be possible. My current theory is part of your brain was eaten away by an infection as a child and now your brain can no longer process the meaning of words other people say to you. That's fine. If that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:19 AM
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How dense? You're reacting negatively because I have the balls to reject that I am responsible for women's behavior and that they are owed my unconditional selfless service and provision, or else I am tossed aside. You are explicitly endorsing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:15 AM
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It means men are responsible for their behavior, nobody else is. But we are also responsible for is women behave and it's up to us to prevent bad treatment by just being better. Women do not treat men badly without provocation, and thus men are responsible for women's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:14 AM
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I'm not an abusive dumbass By definition, that is false. You are a woman, you are not capable of loyalty or respect of a man, you are only capable of self interest which means loyalty to only resources and benefits, men who fail are tossed aside, often in cruel manners... Or at least would be considered cruel if a man did it to a woman, but since men aren't considered more than utilities by women they don't exactly give a shit. I've met a few of the male variety. No you haven't. So many women li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:06 AM
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You are maintaining that I am wrong in order to preserve the innocence and purity of the flawless female
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:47 AM
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You've repeatedly confirmed you believe it's impossible for women to behave badly if a man didn't do something wrong. It's why you're so adament im wrong, it is not within your ability to comprehend women behaving badly
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:44 AM
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That's a pretty fucked up view, that's unfortunate you were taught something so irrational as a child. It's not my view anymore but no woman has ever thought otherwise. That's how incredibly spoiled they are. Man jumps through hoops, complies with commands, may get rewarded with sex, the only possible thing a woman will ever consider doing for a man. Out of the trillions of things ever done by a man for a woman, none of it was appreciated EVER or EVER will be? Does that sound rational? Why is it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:42 AM
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Since you're imposing beliefs on me I don't have I have done no such thing. You have confirmed repeatedly that you are in agreement that it is not possible for women to behave badly unless a man deserves it, hence your negative reactions to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:21 AM
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sounds like a horrible human being. Sorry to hear that. Hope you learned something valuable about avoiding toxic people. Why did you date her, do you have low self esteem Horrible human being? Yes. However it's just a standard woman, incapable of giving a shit beyond immediate personal benefit. I actually respect her a tiny bit because she was actually honest about what's important to a woman eventually. Of course she lied at first, some spiel about men today lacking values blah blah blah. I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:18 AM
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really only skimmed what you wrote for obvious cognitive distortions. Which includes silly notions like women doing something wrong without a man deserving it which you continue to explicitly defend. You genuinely have problems I know. You are furious that a man has the balls to reject his obligations to refuse responsibility for female behavior and remain in compliant service. We've been over this. I personally think gender roles are the single most limiting and destructive invention of humanit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 01:48 AM
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I skimmed your paragraphs for cognitive distortions and they floated up like airy poop to the surface You literally just used a cognitive distortion to try to say I "called bad female behavior a distortion of reality". Compare those two quotes, you'll understand the problem. fascinating to see how oblivious you are to your mental problem I understand it perfectly. It's considered a mental problem for a man to reject the obligations to take responsibility for bad behavior of women, which you cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 01:38 AM
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Nope. Only men. Again, two seperate ones confirmed this to me under absolutely no uncertain terms. When a woman treats a man badly, it is his fault for failing. You continue to defend that as well by continuing to call bad female behavior distortions of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 12:35 AM
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Correct. That only applies to men however. Women are still entitled to be given what they want and have the responsibility for their behaviors placed on men. That's non disputable. Being pissy that a man rejects those responsibilites changes nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 12:32 AM
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You do think women are leeches, that everyone believes women are incapable of being bad people or doing bad things, Correct, and you have defended that entitlement to be served and never consider a woman can behave badly by calling any description of bad female behavior (again, by male standards of morality. Women have no morals beyond cost/benefit) as "distorted reality." You need some CBT therapy Again, reprogramming back into compliance. You are furious that a man rejects his role. Since you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 12:30 AM
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I directly quoted you. No room for misunderstanding, you're just backpeddaling. You got caught lying and are redirecting to avoid having to actually admit you believe that women do no wrong and that's the source of the negative reaction to what I've been saying. It's infuriating to you that I could have the balls to reject the obligations placed on men by women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:44 PM
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I just said that women can be at fault for things going wrong. If I do something wrong, it's my fault. It's not the fault of my SO. I have personal agency. The fact that you haven't met anyone who believes that is... slightly suspect. Again, nice in theory, doesn't work that way in practice. When push comes to shove, it doesn't matter what happened, man is wrong woman is right. Don't like getting cheated on? Slut shaming misogynist. Express discomfort with her getting drunk with an ex boyfriend …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:41 PM
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Now you're just backpeddaling after being caught lying. You called my entire post a cognitive distortion, that includes all the contents beyond just the section regarding the therapists. You believe that women do not behave badly, and any man interpreting bad actions as bad is just cognitive distortion. Ironically, that's what it takes to decide that any woman's action is justified as you believe
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:32 PM
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More likely, since you express so many cognitive distortions throughout your post alone, is that you distorted the information they said to you as well. Right there, just a few posts up. Bad female behavior (by male standards of morality which extend FAR beyond the primitive cost/benefit that women are only capable of) is so foreign to you, it is a cognitive distortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:24 PM
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My SO works for a therapist who oversees about 12 staff members. Anyone espousing that attitude would have been fired promptly. I want to meet these people because I have yet to ever encounter anyone in 26 years who believes a woman is responsible for anything she does bad. A man is always to blame. In fact, having been in counseling, ever suggesting that one party or another is at fault is generally considered inappropriate. That's not a therapists place Because it's just assumed it's the man. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:20 PM
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CBT. And yes, you did defend it. the concept of a woman behaving badly is so foreign to you, that a man describing such behavior is "warping reality"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:13 PM
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Dude, you saw some terrible therapists. Awful to the point that I would recommend reporting them, and if you used insurance to see them, reporting them to your insurance No, it's pretty reflective of what people in general believe. Second, your therapists were wrong. Women certainly can be the cause of relationship issues, and many are. Women can be awful and terrible. There's no disputing that. That's nice in theory, but ever actually suggesting that in practice is a no no. See the overwhelming…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 10:03 PM
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Again, no room whatsoever for misinterpretation. they made that clear. Their specialization is interpersonal relationships. and it was extremely clear. Men are responsible for maintaining relationships, if something goes wrong, it is because he failed in some way and it is his fault, absolutely no expceptions. You are defending that as well. It's absolutely inconceivable to you that a woman could behave badly without provocation from a man
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 09:30 PM
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No, they didn't Yes they did. I'll spell out exactly how this went down. After yet another cheater, the most recent one doing so for straight up cash and telling me I could either be happy for her and support choices or get lost, I was nearly suicidal. I used to believe it, that I was responsible for how women behaved because it's forced on us from very early. After each one, I was told I had to have deserved it because women don't do bad things unless a man did something wrong. Friends, family,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 03:12 PM
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How did they confirm this belief to you, did you talk about past issues with women and they both concluded on this point, or did you ask them to confirm this and they humored you? No, they outright fucking said it. How difficult is that? I get that your white knight instincts are kicking in, but give it a rest. Either way, you're way off track and self-victimizing, and you're trying to break apart relationships in a way that makes me feel that if you might need further help, because you're hurti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 05:27 AM
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It's not complicated. The fact that you don't understand it is because you're a woman and thus incapable of evaluating any situation beyond cost/benefit, as in if you are benefitted immediately and continuously, it's good. If not benefitted, you don't care. So this is rather pointless since you aren't capable of processing anything but cost/benefit but might as well try. Let's start with the dating process. Men audition, women select. Unless a man is insanely high value (top 1% looks, money or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 10:55 PM
-7

It's fact. Being pouty because a man recognizes it and refuses to comply changes nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 10:11 PM
-5

It's not that at all. It's not anything malicious. Women just aren't capable of viewing men as more than tools and devices to suit their needs which can and will be discarded the instant an upgrade is available
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 10:06 PM
-7

I don't believe it. I know it. Massive difference
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:55 PM
0

Again, pouting because someone dares not to reject facts that paint women as less than perfect does not invalidate it. And your defense of those entitlement speaks volumes and proves me right
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:24 PM
-6

Women need not answer this question since they believe that allowing a man more chances to prove himself worthy of her and jump through her hoops counts as doing something for him
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:15 PM
1

It is fact. Pouting because it puts women in a less than perfect light does not change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:10 PM
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Your opinions /= facts It's not my opinion, it's fact. Women do not, have not, and will not view men as more than tools to suit their needs until an upgrade is available. Most marriages will end in divorce. Women initiate these divorces, and successfully got "no fault" divorce made law so that they could more easily trade up when the upgrade becomes available and secure the exs legally enforced continued financial support. And no, it isn't a sign of growing up, it's a sign of a female securing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:03 PM
1

Facts do not cease to become facts simply because it inconveniences you, and it is relevant because you outright stated that for a man to grow up, he must settle down with a woman. Which of course means sacrifice himself for her benefit because women do absolutely nothing besides sit back, expect to be provided for, take, and keep searching for an upgrade. It shows how little men are actually respected when voluntarily agreeing to such a shitty arrangement is the sign of maturity
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 08:36 PM
1

Women secure resources and trade up until no longer able to trade up and most men are so stupid that they actually think being tasked with providing for and serving a woman at his expense is somehow good for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 08:22 PM
2

Amazing how a man has to be willing to sacrifice himself for a woman's benefit to be considered grown up. Jesus female entitlement is so unbelievably strong
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 08:05 PM
1

When standards of what makes men abusive are applied to women, all women are abusive, it's standard female behavior to be abusive and controlling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 06:23 PM
0

Yes. Approximately 15-17. They NEVER stop feeling entitled to be supported, provided for, and served by men/boys
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 06:12 PM
5

You just made that up. That isn't a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:54 PM
1

Absolving women of what behavior? I never absolved any women of shitty behavior Yes you fucking did. You encourage by denying it's even possible and insisting that men are always to blame. Mmm. How's your dating life going? You must be a killer with the ladies. No wonder you found TRP. Oh no, definitely not RP. They still think that subhuman trash is worth dealing with. Again, you might be brainwashed into believing that being given extra tasks and hoops to jump through while she seeks an upgrad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:32 AM
2

See? Still absolving women of their behavior and pinning it on men like the good little piece of shit emasculated coward you are
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:24 AM
2

Stop dating women that are like that That's LITERALLY all of them. No exceptions whatsoever. This is evidenced by the fact that dating advice for men is what to do, how to do it, how to navigate that audition process, jump through her fucking hoops and prove himself worthy. And then women are told how to best select to ensure they get the best deal. Not one woman alive is capable of viewing a man as more than a tool to get her needs and wants filled until an upgrade can be found. You might be ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:44 AM
2

You encourage it by placing the responsibility on men to prevent it if they don't like it. You might be fine with being given tasks to complete and occasionally getting pussy, extra demands, and a delay of the inevitable trade in she's going to do to you as thanks for your efforts, but some of us aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:20 AM
2

They all behave shitty because of men like you who not only tolerate it but actively encourage it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 11:20 PM
1

Oh poor white knight. Please continue sticking up for their shitty behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 11:04 PM
2

It's terrible yes, but it's also what it is. No woman is any different at all, men just delude themselves into thinking that being assigned more tasks and hoops is a good thing and she actually is doing something for him
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 10:26 PM
2

Since women don't do shit else besides give men more tasks to complete and hoops to jump through, it's pretty damn important
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 10:15 PM
1

No, they all do. I just only started noticing then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 05:12 AM
2

Dude, post that on FB. I double-dog dare you. You won't, because it sounds psychotic Because I'd get lit the fuck up for refusing my obligations I've basically never seen this happen the way you describe it. Because you are trained, and very well it seems. I started to notice this in college, when a good friend of mine came by where I was at the bar. We didn't know we'd both be out, and just happen to run into each other. He introduces himself to those he doesn't know, some small talk, and he le…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 03:44 AM
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Men find him weird too. Men are trained from birth to defer to women and give them what they want at all times. It takes conscious effort to overcome this training, and that includes when a woman says a man is a creep, 99/100 he's just had the audacity to exist while not being perfect and them agreeing with her It's just about him coming off as jarring, given the context and the culture surrounding it. The context and culture is having the audacity to not be perfect and exist near a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 03:14 AM
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It's his fault he isn't good enough for the perfection that women fully expect. Goddamn women could not possibly be more entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 02:57 AM
0

I did. The actual text of the legislation which is extremely explicit and takes special denial out of loyalty to the party to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 02:55 AM
1

Here's the thing: a lot of the time the captain save-a-ho behaviors are so normalized that it's difficult to even identity them. That is it in a nutshell. Men giving of themselves for the benefit of women is the absolute bare minimum, a given, an expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 12:57 AM
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So a blog sourcing a blog? You shitting me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 12:50 AM
-1

Are you seriously that retarded? The CDC also uses this definition, and the only male rape victims which are counted are those raped by other men. If a woman forces herself on a man, it's classified as "other sexual violence" you are being deliberately ignorant for the sake of loyalty to ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 11:44 PM
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I have no idea what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 11:27 PM
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a definition of rape which says nothing about whether the victim must be the one penetrating or being penetrated? ... That's just false. An outright lie. Either you didn't know or you are deliberately lying to better serve the ideology, but it still only applies to men Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” Source:https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:15 PM
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It's bullshit to pull women's health services because you disagree with something approved decades ago in the supreme court and you know it. So yes, you believe a woman has the right to be provided for by men whether he wants to or not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:54 PM
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Since there are actual systematic issues there that are hard and on paper instead of nebulous nonsense, outright lies, and whining about not everything being handed to them instead of only some things, I'd say it's VERY different
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:46 PM
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Oh bullshit. That upper class white woman at Columbia Law was the one who first made the big stink about it. She just hated not being provided for. And at the same time I dont exactly see you folks clamoring to stop putting those low income men in prison when they can't pay child support. What do we tell those men? Well should have been more responsible. God forbid women be required to be responsible, that shits for men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:41 PM
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limiting access to birth control This is what gets me about feminists and leftists in general. Stop playing word games and saying "access" when you really mean "provided at the cost of someone else"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 08:03 PM
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obviously a man must be to blame because women don't do bad things, you pretty much just proved me right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:11 PM
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It is all women. That is non negotiable, not disputable. Period end of discussion. You feel the need to white knight because you're incapable of admitting women have a bad behavior problem. I've been with all types and they're identical at their cores, and that is selfish, entitled, demanding. A woman's idea of doing something for a man is allowing him a chance to do something for her. He must prove himself worthy continuously or else be replaced, she sits back and receives. This is true of ALL.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:05 PM
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It's all women. And you people routine defend and encourage that behavior. Notice how you immediately cast blame on a man? In your view, women can't be at fault
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:29 PM
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That is standard female behavior. "Do exactly as I say at all times, put up with me treating you like shit or be replaced immediately. You're always at risk for replacement in case I get offered a better deal." Women just hate having that turned on them. Moral behavior is for men, not women, in the view of women And BPers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:15 PM
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Yeah... You actually believe that? Women lie about abuse all the time to mask that she's simply trading up. I learned I beat the shit out of several exes from friends after said exes cheated on me. News to me, i never did such a thing, but women lie about it very frequently to avoid responsibility for their shitty behavior. And why do they do it? Because they'll be believed. You just called what they said "fact" with absolutely NOTHING to back it up, you just instinctively trust women because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 07:04 AM
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Nothing whatsoever. Because women believe that a relationship is all about her comfort and desires and it's the responsibility of a man to make it happen. See yesterday's thread about why it's considered old fashioned for a woman to do anything nice for her man and the absolute fit the women here were having at the suggestion of doing anything besides sitting back and receiving.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:49 PM
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Then stop bitching or lower your standards. can't maintain laughably high standards then shit on men who have any whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:59 AM
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It is. If he doesn't measure up in any way he is immediately replaced. Women are incredibly spoiled and feel entitled to oy the very best and the very best should work for her benefit while sitting back and receiving. This very thread is proof
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:34 PM
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Because that's just standard female practice and you seem so incredulous that a man could do the same
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:20 PM
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I'm outlined women's hilarious entitlement, you stepped in to justify it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:18 PM
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You're the one defending female entitlement. You're the one who justifying turning down tons of other men and then complaining about him not committing to her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:12 PM
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The vagina wants what it wants. Then stop bitching
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:09 PM
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she's 22 and already complaining to me about that. I lit her ass up because she went on a date with my old college roommate and ended up going home with another guy that night, so I didn't want to hear her shit. That shut her up for a few weeks... Damn actually writing this out, why am I friends with this bitch?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:05 PM
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Which she can have with a multitude of other guys, but they aren't good enough. Only the player who rotates her out with 3 others (that I've seen, could be more) is worth her time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:59 PM
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She's still fucking retarded and the fact that she had the guts to bitch in that moment proves just how spoiled and entitled women are
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:55 PM
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Outdated because the thought of a woman doing anything but sitting back and receiving is offensive to you because you are a worthless useless spoiled brat
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:54 PM
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It's obviously much easier for women. Literally nobody disputes this outside of delusional women who don't understand that they just have laughably high standards and reject average guys who have th nerve to exist without being perfect. This is just one anecdote, but about a week ago, a friend of mine who's been sleeping with my roommate came over. Of course she doesn't exist to him until his dick starts tingling so she spends her time talking to me. I have absolutely no feelings of attraction f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:48 PM
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Look at this thread. Full of women shrieking at the suggestion that they do anything but sit back and receive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:33 PM
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So you are offended at the notion of women getting a taste of their own medicine for once?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:28 PM
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Because you can't stand getting called out on extremely obvious selfishness and double standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:20 PM
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Again, men are regularly expected to completely give up his own everything to support and provide for a woman and it's VERY telling how many of you are so repulsed by the idea of doing anything besides sitting back and receiving
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:07 PM
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I'm saving this thread as proof that that women believe relationships are all about how a woman is served and provided for and doing anything in return is inherently not ok. I mean, I already knew that but it's nice for some to actually say it outright
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:05 PM
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Seeing as how women fully expect that of men, at least tiny piece of reciprocation would be nice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:31 AM
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Daddy brings home the bacon. Wife cooks the bacon and tends to the man. That's the way it's been and that's what women are reacting to. You're not disagreeing with me so far. He's still expected to bring home the bacon, she's having a fit being asked to cook it because she shouldn't have to do anything but sit back and take. Modern women are extremely spoiled. And where it says to make your man a snack after sex? It smacks of saying that a woman should be providing sex and snacks. That fucking b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:07 AM
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It's not suggested because it's simply expected. It's the norm, the baseline, the bare minimum. Reciprocating even slightly is seen as absolutely reprehensible by women. The question is why? Although we already know the answer, you should at least have the decency to admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:48 AM
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Gynocentrism. Everything today has to be designed explicitly for the benefit and comfort of women. If not, it's discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:28 AM
2

No you didn't. You brushed it aside. They outright say losing weight is too hard and nobody knows how to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 07:01 PM
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You continue to ignore this, because you're a goddamned fucking dipshit Let's face facts. We've lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn't made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:58 PM
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Again because you're obviously VERY stupid and incapable of understanding basic biology and lack simple reading comprehension, calories in<calories out means fat goes away! Yes it is that fucking simple. My former fat ass knows that. Contrast that with this Let's face facts. We've lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn't made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:54 PM
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BULLSHIT. How the fuck is it possible for you to not understand what is plainly written right in front of you? Let's try this again, for all the fucking retards Let's face facts. We've lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn't made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:40 PM
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Bullshit http://www.haescommunity.org Right on their front page reads this Let's face facts. We've lost the war on obesity. Fighting fat hasn't made the fat go away. And being thinner, even if we knew how to successfully accomplish it, will not necessarily make us healthier or happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:21 PM
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Healthy at any size. Basically fat chicks whining that Chads aren't lining up to fuck her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 05:10 PM
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Asking women to lower their standards so men don't have to rise to the challenge is lazy. Yet men are demanded to all the time. See HAES, Every Woman is Beautifultm, whining about "unfair" beauty standards Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 02:51 PM
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It's not a micharacterization, it's fact. I've actually been there. You just dismiss it because you're incapable of understanding negative effects on men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:35 AM
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So you dispute actual laws on the books and their applications? That's a new level of delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:19 AM
2

You can deny reality, still doesn't change it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:52 PM
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Considering I've been subject to it, no, I'm not misunderstanding it at all. And it's not conflation, it's proof that feminists do not give a shit what happens to innocent men because they don't believe in such a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:24 PM
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That's the catch. They dont want innocent men in jail, so they claim men are guilty by default
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:20 PM
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The violence against women act, based on the feminist created duluth model which states violence is inherent to men and that a man is considered guilty until proven innocent. You know that, you're just deliberately being obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:19 PM
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Nobody except the legislators who actually make this shit reality. The level of intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics feminists go through to avoid responsibility for their actions and what they support is staggering
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:15 PM
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Feminism gentleman! Never EVER associate with feminists in any capacity. Even if you just get in an argument, they'll claim you abused her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:17 PM
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It's "silly" to you because you're trained to ignore anything that contradicts "man bad woman good"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 02:06 AM
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You can get as pissy as you want, it's pretty much standard belief among women/feminists/white knight "men"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 02:00 AM
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She never says the men involved can't be non-monogamous too. Sure but good fucking luck to them. Only the very top men don't have to bust their asses for even just one, let alone many.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:37 AM
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Women especially are generally expected to put themselves last. They must worry about their children husbands, parents, jobs, household chores, etc. all before thinking about themselves. As feminists, we recognize that this should not be the case. And in a nonmonogamous relationship, this can't be the case because you aren't successful unless you're navigating according to your needs and desires. How many more times do you want to be proven completely wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:57 PM
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Yes it is. Your mental gymnastics are impressive. How you can take "monogamy is inherently oppressive" and twist it into that is beyond me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:14 PM
1

Proving you wrong and calling you out for lies is not childish
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:13 PM
5

So the no true scotsman route when proven wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:09 PM
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That's because you are a self identified feminist. By definition you are a liar. You didn't address my other post where I called out your bullshit about feminists supposedly not being against female accountability. Facts that run contrary to the ideology are to be ignored, any lies can be told to serve the greater good and the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:49 PM
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Actions, not words, are important. Heard the same speech before, but when it comes down to it, feminists are liars and when actually faced with having to condemn an actual female cheater sitting in their face, the excuses pour out
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:41 PM
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Bad news: It is http://jezebel.com/5339211/is-non-monogamy-a-feminist-relationship-choice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:38 PM
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You don't buy it because you've been trained to ignore anything that contradicts "man bad woman good"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:34 PM
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And literally NO feminist believes that women are perfect and free of guilt 100% of the time. Again, this is a lie. Feminist political activities are based on that assumption. Feminist laws such as VAWA and programs such as the Duluth Model state that women do not ever commit violence unless in self defense against a man. Based on this, you and your friends have pushed for "guilty until proven innocent" standards when dealing with sexual and domestic violence and have fought pretty hard to preve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:30 PM
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I'm a Texan feminist I'm against cheating no matter who does it Pick one. These two cannot coexist. Your entire ideology is based on the assumption that women are society wide victims of men and are always good and perfect and that constructs created by men such as monogamy and marriage are inherently oppressive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:10 PM
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"Women doing bad things and justifying it? Must be a lie, women are perfect angelic beings of pure sainthood" - You and feminists in general. It's the truth, you can get as pissy as you want, but facts are facts. Feminists are against slut shaming because that's what keeps them loyal and loyalty should only be foisted on men. Expecting morality and loyalty from women is literally patriarchal oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:04 PM
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Houston, went to A&M. It's popular there, and quite frankly you are flat out lying to cover your ass and avoid accountability for your shitty ideology so you can continue to perpetuate the "Equality" lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 09:54 PM
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Saved this for fights in /r/nfl
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:58 PM
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I HIGHLY doubt that. A pretty basic tenet of feminism is absolving women of responsibility for their behaviors. It's why "fat acceptance" is a thing for women but men still better be muscular and fit or else he's worthless. It's why female infidelity is encouraged by brushing away any criticism as slut shaming, and she can cheat in a marriage and by law her ex husband is still responsible for financially subsidizing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:23 PM
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Yet none of you will EVER call out a woman for being manipulative in any way. Even if she is, it's the mans fault for putting up with it, it's actually impossible for you people to admit a woman can ever be wrong but you have no trouble doing it to men. The hypocrisy is insane, but makes sense when considering that most of you bloopers are about female entitlement and supremacy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:03 PM
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your igneous rock collection. Jesus Christ /u/thedeti... Minerals
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:05 PM
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Literally my only knowledge of the event comes from an episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Heisenberg Hal grills and yells at hilpies while Malcolm fucks a faith healer. So I have no opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 07:26 AM
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Yet you people do it all the time and refuse to accept that women can ever do wrong ever. It's why you hate the "nice guys" so much. Woman manipulating and using a man? Let me exain why it's actually his fault and why he's a shitty person
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 07:18 AM
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TRP is the only place that cares about men's needs, first and foremost. While I don't really identify with yall, that's what sticks out to me. Nowhere else gives a shit about men and men alone without some kind of deferment to or approval from women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:29 AM
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Oh sweet summer child...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:43 PM
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If you do that OP, they will delete your post and ban you. They don't like facts and reality over there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:36 PM
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Don't forget that in addition to making it harder for men to defend themselves, expanding the definition of rape and abuse so much that it's almost meaningless
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:28 PM
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Then women should stop expecting men to do the work to prove themselves worthy and stop expecting men to subsidize her at all times
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 12:08 AM
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Of course they don't. That's their territory. Women are always very quick to remind a man who doesn't stay in line that he will be replaced. They hate being held to the same standards they hold men to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 06:35 PM
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Straw feminist implies they don't exist. Pray tell, what group got VAWA, the legislation that strips men of due process and effectively legalises female perjury, passed?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 03:58 PM
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