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Your argument assumes men and women are equally selective, but that’s not the case. Men may desire the top 10% of women, but they're more willing to compromise. Women, however, often filter more strictly for traits like height, income, and status. If dating was truly balanced, we wouldn’t see so many men left out of the dating pool or declining marriage rates. This isn’t just "normal human behavior"—modern dating patterns are skewed, and it’s creating an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:47 AM
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The fact that 30% of men are single doesn’t mean the other 70% are dating men who meet their ideal standards. Many women compromise on those standards, often because they realize that finding a man who is over six feet tall and makes six figures is incredibly rare. The fact remains that women may want these traits, but that doesn't mean they always end up with men who have them. Your assumption that women don’t have high standards just because they settle or compromise ignores the gap between wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:29 AM
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This whole debate boiled down to a few percentage points, and you’re acting like it’s some massive revelation. My numbers weren’t far off, and your “corrections” barely shifted the outcome. At the end of the day, you didn’t disprove anything—just danced around minor details and tried to act superior. You hypocritically dinged me for using blog posts, only to turn around and cite Forbes. You clearly disagreed with my conclusions from the start but refused to offer your own. Instead of addressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:19 AM
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your vaunted Forbes sources are showing a 6% difference from what I originally cited. So what are we really arguing here? You’re nitpicking over a small margin while holding up sources that aren't any more credible than the ones you dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:04 AM
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So, let me get this straight—you dinged me for using blogs, but then turn around and cite Forbes like it’s the holy grail of scientific research? Forbes is a media outlet, not a peer-reviewed journal, so don’t act like it’s a gold standard. Yeah, they might link to scientific studies at the bottom of the article, but so did the blogs I cited, and you dismissed those. You're really going to ask "Where did you go to school?" while using the same kind of source you criticized me for? Seems like you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:56 AM
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It's funny how you were quick to ding me for using blog references, but now you're relying on a Forbes article and acting like footnotes automatically make it credible. Footnotes are great—if they actually point to reliable, peer-reviewed research. Forbes is a media outlet, not a scientific journal, so don’t pretend like it’s some gold standard when you were just criticizing me for using similar sources. And just because a stat says 56% of men are "open" to a relationship doesn’t mean they’re ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:31 AM
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Sure, 56% of men might say they're open to a relationship, but that doesn't mean they're all serious about commitment or even available for it. Commitment is influenced by age, life goals, and circumstances—factors you haven't addressed. Also, this 56% is pretty close to my own estimate of 50%, which reinforces my point. If you actually ran the numbers for height, income, and everything else, you'd likely reach the same conclusion I did: we're talking about a vanishingly small number of men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 02:41 AM
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Using my cites does not count. You obviously disagree with my conclusions otherwise, what are we doing? They are not blatant lies, I have added references TWICE from different sources. What you have offered? The 30% stat is solid. Whether by choice or not, it still impacts the dating pool. If more are single by choice, it only makes things harder for women seeking commitment, proving my point further. How many men would you say are open to commitment? Oh right.. you don't have the courage to pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 02:12 AM
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Are you OK? I provided TWO sets of references after you criticized blog posts and you have provided NOTHING of your own (nitpicking mine does not count) Stop the gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:54 AM
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You're just repeating the same points over and over without adding anything new. I've indulged your nonsense way more than I needed to, and I've backed up all of my claims multiple times now despite your gaslighting and bullshit. It’s honestly becoming tiresome. You’ve made it clear that no matter how much proof I give you, you're not interested in having an honest discussion. Again, if I am sooo far off base, then tell me: what are your numbers? How many men in the dating pool do you think are …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:46 AM
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My link says exactly what I said it did, despite your gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:35 AM
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In my first cite, I made it clear that my original claim was based on the 14.5% statistic, which is backed by hard data. You keep bringing up the 33% self-reported figure, but that's not what I referenced. It's a red herring you're using to distract from the real point. The 14.5% I mentioned is the accurate figure, while the 33% just shows how people tend to exaggerate their height, and it doesn't disprove anything I've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:27 AM
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"Right here, from your own fucking cites: "20% of all American men make over 100k annually" According to the Income in the United States: 2022 report (Table A-6), the top 20% of earners make over $100,000 annually. This supports the claim that roughly 10% of men earn six figures, based on income distribution data. "Fact based on your citation: "33 percent of U.S. men self-report that they are at least 6 feet tall." Table 12 of the document, which reports the height distribution of adult males in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:08 AM
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Go back and reread the thread. I added the second reference after you started bitching about blog posts. Where are your numbers? Otherwise you are just another troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:58 AM
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No you did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:46 AM
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Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud with number #2!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:44 AM
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For height. This is the PDF I referenced: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_03/sr03-046-508.pdf Table 12 of the document, which reports the height distribution of adult males in the United States. According to this table, the 85th percentile of men is approximately 72 inches (6 feet). This supports the commonly referenced figure that around 14.5% of adult males are over 6 feet tall​ For Six Figures, this is the site I referenced: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-27…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:39 AM
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Uh. no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:39 AM
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Your "correction" doesn’t hold up. You’ve picked apart individual numbers, but where are your solid statistics that give a clearer picture? You criticized my sources, but let’s not pretend that invalidates the broader point I’m making. You're claiming to have corrected my numbers, but all I see are attempts to poke holes rather than offering a full picture with your own alternative data.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:57 PM
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You've been sidestepping this the entire conversation, and it's clear why. Deep down, you probably know that if you offered your own numbers, you'd either land on the same conclusion—or realize I've actually been generous with my estimates. You want to call out my data and sources, but you've failed to present anything that contradicts them. If you're so sure my claims are way off base, then put up your own numbers and show us where they come from. It's easy to tear down someone else's work when…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:52 PM
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If you're saying you haven’t made any claims, that's simply not true. You’ve already dismissed my points, called my estimates "horseshit," and demanded sources from me. That’s a stance. If you want to challenge my data, you’re just as responsible for providing evidence as I am. So, what are your sources? What backs up your skepticism? Because right now, all I see is an attack without a shred of support to hold it up. The numbers I’ve given—on how many men are tall, earn well, or have good social…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:21 PM
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Let's be clear here: this is a debate, not a college essay, so I’m not required to provide a bibliography for every point I make. That said, I've still provided an analysis grounded in actual research trends, whereas you’ve offered no evidence to refute anything. You’ve dismissed valid references and trends without providing alternative data to back up your own arguments. For the 20% good-looking men argument, you're focusing on the OkCupid blog post without addressing the wider context from oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:01 PM
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Height (14.5% of men are over 6 feet): According to Table 12 in the report titled "Anthropometric Reference Data for Children and Adults: United States, 2015–2018," the average height of adult males is 5 feet 9 inches (175.3 cm). The report indicates that roughly 14.5% of adult men in the U.S. are 6 feet (183 cm) or taller. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_03/sr03-046-508.pdf Income (10% of men earn six figures): https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.html Good Look…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 07:29 PM
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The dating subreddits are filled with guys who aren't ugly and do meet those expectations and they are consistently struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:25 PM
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Someone gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:22 PM
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Saying that data from blogs is unreliable misses the point that many blogs cite credible sources like Pew Research, Census data, or OkCupid survey and user data. The platform doesn’t make the data invalid—it's about where the data comes from. Many blogs aggregate statistics from reliable studies and surveys, just like major news outlets do. For example, OkCupid’s data on women rating 80% of men below average is cited in reputable sources, including The Atlantic and Wired. Stop with the ad homine…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:07 PM
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..because I guess women neverrr have any sort of unrealistic expectations in the guys they'd like to date
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:02 PM
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Burden of proof? Read it again, I've explained my numbers. Now the burden of proof is ON YOU to explain how they are wrong. You can't though. Otherwise you would have done so, all you can do is fling crap
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:36 PM
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Once again. Tell me how these numbers are unreasonable. You can't can you? What are your numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:45 PM
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What are the actual numbers I should feed into it then? By all means...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:33 PM
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I agree. People like that should not be dating until they fix themselves first. Instead they think that being in a relationship of having a girlfriend will fix them and it won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:32 PM
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What you are conveniently leaving out is that there is really no expectation for women to bring anything period. Modern dating is a like a job interview where guys have to sell themselves by how much they bring to the table and women think they ARE the table. Funny, but I remember when people used to date because they enjoyed each other's company. Not some checklist of items to cross off like you are making Build-a-Bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:40 PM
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Many women crave drama. When there is not enough to be found, they create some.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:34 PM
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Many women's standards are waaaayyy out of touch with reality. I'm a math guy.. so let's do some math... Height: 14.5% of men are over 6 ft. Income: 10% of men earn six figures. Good looks: Roughly 20% might be considered good looking. Social skills: Let’s assume 50% have good social skills. Single: 30% are single. Willing to commit: 50% of single men are open to commitment. Now, multiplying these together: 0.145 × 0.10 × 0.20 × 0.50 × 0.30 × 0.50 = 0.0002175 or 0.02% of men meet all these crite…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:20 PM
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It's not fearmongering to say that dating options change as women age—it’s just how things work. Sure, older women can still get attention, but pretending it’s the same as when they were younger is a complete fantasy. Being hit on by guys you’re not interested in happens at any age, but the pool of guys women actually want shrinks over time, and most women know this. As for settling down later, it’s not because women have endless options—they’re focused on other things like careers or just not f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:03 PM
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I guess the birthrate falls and more people are single. The issue is that too many women feel entitled to be in relationships with high quality men, not matter what they bring to the table themselves. That is not mathematically possible. Sure, they don't have to be in relationships with men they don't of course but that's what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:51 PM
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That’s quite the wall of text—had to scroll just to see then end of it. You’re reeeaaaally invested, aren’t you? Honestly, this feels more like an obsession than a conversation. I’ve got better things to do, so you can go ahead and declare your "win" while I step away from the computer and enjoy the evening offline. I skimmed over it to the end so I'll just end it with this.. Nobody goes through life conducting data-gathering to form opinions—you’re being obtuse again. People form views based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:10 AM
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You’re misunderstanding the point. It’s not that women are unaware younger and prettier women exist, but rather that many don’t fully anticipate how quickly their social power based on youth and attractiveness diminishes. Yes, people know they get older, but the reality of losing that influence often catches them off guard. It's not about thinking women are stupid—it’s about recognizing that society grants younger women a certain kind of attention that fades over time, and many don’t plan for wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:56 PM
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"You think women don't realize that people keep being born after us?" You are being obtuse. Of course I know this. My point is that they are so used to having all this power when they are younger, age catches up to them and before they know it, they no longer get the same attention or have the same amount of social clout. This dynamic happens to all of us.. we get older and it sort of sneaks up on us and takes us by suprise. That does not mean we were not aware that people get older, we are just…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:28 PM
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"opening up society to the mechanisms of markets is a terrible mistake" I never thought of it like that but yeah.. that's what we are doing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:31 PM
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Not sure if that't the ringing endorsement you seem to think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:29 PM

I think alot of them try to turn to established men when they age but those men often aren't interested unless she is very exceptional because established men have options too! How does it change? I think I read that half of GenZ guys don't even date. Less and less men are willing to put up with the current dating dynamics. Women are going to have to lower their sense of entitlement and expectations. It's simple math and it can never work! There are only so many tall, rich, good looking men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 04:35 PM
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They also use the most antidepressants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:56 PM
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Yeah.. there is a multi-BILLION dollar beauty and cosmetics industry that tries to recapture what many young women briefly have for free. Some of it gets good results. Some young women don't look as great as a 30 something who takes great care of herself. I was just observing that many young women just get handed a tremendous amount of power in the dating market basically for free and they likely aren't going to understand or appreciate is as much as someone who had to work to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:54 PM

Great insight! What these women don't realize though is that their early 20s are over awful quickly and there are always younger and prettier women. Then they start realizing slowly that have less power than they used to but they never anticipated the ride ever ending so it's got to be huge culture shock. It's never THEIR fault of course, so men are shamed for not being as attracted to older women. So many of these women are often still single because they never learned how to pick a man who is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:08 PM
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Ok.. from your own definition... "to talk about something in a way that makes it sound better than it really is, or to believe that something is better than it really is:" The OP is not making homelessness or addiction sound better than it really is, he is telling a story of love that he witnessed DESPITE homelessness. There would be literally no point to what the OP is trying to say if he we romantacizing homelessness. The post was about love surving in hardship and how the OP felt a ring wasn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:40 AM
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I don't think the OP was romanticizing the homelessness and addiction, he was romanticizing the love he witnessed in spite of those things. It's like a love story set during the holocaust or a war... nobody is romanticizing those terrible things, they are romanticizing the love that exists in spite of them. Romanticizing homelessness would be saying ... "Gee I'd love to live in a cool tent in the park and not pay taxes and sleep late every day with no responsibilities"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:29 PM
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The real problem isn’t whether you can be smart, successful, and sexy—it’s thinking you can pull that off without people treating you differently. Go ahead, be a "sexy thirst trap," but then act surprised when people only see the sex appeal and not the brains. Sure, in a perfect world you’d have it all, but in reality, flaunting the sexy side usually overshadows everything else. You can’t expect people to just flip a switch and respect you for your achievements while they’re distracted by the th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:11 PM
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nobody is romanticizing the homeless and addiction part he was calling out the love he witnessed in SPITE of their conditions!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:04 PM
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Well you seem rather defensive about it but hey, anybody can be anything on the internet I guess. I also love how objectification suddenly became OK. Be a thirst trap one minute, then expect full respect the next. It's like most things with modern women, why choose when you can have it all?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:58 PM
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Neither did you, a few minutes ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:51 PM
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The men who oppose it aren't the ones buying it? It's not that deep! "Gee, let me try and work to destroy this thing that gives me sexual pleasure that I spend money on so that it goes away". That would be like an alcoholic trying to get his neighborhood bar closed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:50 PM
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"If everywhere you go smells like shit, maybe it's time to check your shoes"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:41 PM
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..because it's never something they are doing wrong. It must be a man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:39 PM
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Nonsense! Most women are not driven to be top earners and top achievers in careers. In fact, despite the fact that so many women have all of these opportunities now for personal and professional achievement., many of them choose to objectify their sexual appeal on social media or on things like Only Fans or through seeking a sugar daddy. I'm amazed at how often I go on Instagram looking for something like guitar lesson tutorials or fixing cars and at the top of the feel is a female influencer do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:34 PM
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God you sound like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:24 PM
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"It comes off kind of childish and kind of “tit for tat”, instead of being a realistic suggestion' Exactly this!! It's entirely childish of the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:22 PM
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It's an awful example. You could of just stuck with cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:21 PM
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If you have ANY reason to suspect child abuse, it should not be done as some childish "tit for tat" reaction to a paternity test, it should be followed up upon IMMEDIATELY! If you do NOT have any reason to suspect child abuse and it's done as some childish "tit for tat" reaction to a paternity test you aren't emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:22 PM
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In your earlier reply, you mentioned that women should not have to turn off who they are in a relationship when I mentioned having adopted more masculine energy. Most men are not going to be attracted to that. Either lower earning men or higher earning men both. Nature seeks its own balance so that means if a relationship does happen, the man would likely have more feminine energy and I doubt the woman would be attracted to him for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:11 PM
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I'm not saying anyone should change, I'm just explaining my opinion on why it's not attractive for lots of men and I don't think it comes from insecurity or some ego problem with men. It's simply how men and women are wired for attraction to each other. The men who earn more money generally aren't attracted either. I see so many articles in the media about successful women being single, it's not because there is some epidemic of "intimidated" men, it's more that men aren't really attracted and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:52 PM
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You said it yourself... 'her behaviors would be fully acceptable if it were a man' The issue isn’t that men feel intimidated or insecure about successful women—it’s that they’re not attracted to behaviors that feel more masculine or competitive. A lot of women have to adopt those assertive and dominant traits to succeed in their careers, and that’s totally understandable. But the problem is, once they’ve developed those traits, they often can’t easily turn them off in their personal relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:35 PM
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A couple of observations. This is yet another double standard where if sex is bad, it's automatically the man's fault, even if the woman is a pillow princess or a starfish in bed. It's never considered the woman's fault. I had E.D. for years in my marriage and after my divorce when I tried dating again with women my own age. I stopped dating but I did have casual sex with a young woman who is college aged. My E.D. suddenly disappeared with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:56 PM
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9 times out of 10, when a high earning women says that men are intimidated by her, she has an attitude and demeanor that is off putting and she does not or will not realize it. The high earning women who are chronically single and can't understand why high earning men aren't clamoring to be with them also say these men are intimidated by them. Men generally don't fantasize about high earning women or how much education she has. They fantasize about younger, attractive women who are pleasant to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:37 PM
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Some high earning women even replied honestly in the comments here. basically "What can a man provide that I don't already have, except a penis" Guess it really is true men are valued only by what they can provide
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:11 PM
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