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There isn’t any evidence that having a sahm results in the children being better off in the long term. Even in the short term, there is no disadvantage to being a working mom as long as they kids are left in appropriate care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:28 PM
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Wish I could explain this to my toddler. I breastfed her for like 20 months and she has a longstanding attachment to my boob. She reaches into my shirt and grabs it whenever she is hungry, sleepy, sad etc. doesn’t matter if it’s in public. She does it like 10 times a day and really hurts when she twists my boobs around. I told my husband not to touch my boobs anymore because I have PTSD from my toddler. He laments that. But he grabs my ass whenever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:57 PM
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I’m supportive of passport bros in general, but it doesn’t seem great that guys who are not in the top 5% here go to third world counties so they can experience what it’s like to be in the top 5% of men. I get the impression that many passport bros like to be players in third world counties. You know, that’s not cool. Being a top 5% player in the US is different because American women live in an affluent country with many educational opportunities. If a woman tries chasing Chad and fails, she ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:58 PM
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you probably don’t pay any attention to all the un partnered women that rarely date, but those far outnumber the single women that actively date around. Most single women go for long periods without any male partner and then start dating a single man. Most do not proactively engage in dating around in hopes of finding a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:49 PM
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Do you have kids? If so, you will definitely have the advantage. If you do not, she could easily have the advantage in finding a long term partner. It really comes down to what she looks like. If she looks good for her age, she will be very attractive to all the men 35-40 who are very eager to settle down quickly because they are so done with playing the field. Such men often don’t have the energy to chase younger women, who are more fickle to them and prefer men closer to their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:23 AM
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Honey, Adriana Lima was a virgin when she got married at 27. She dated a professional athlete for a year before he married her and didn’t give him and sex. You think any man in the world was surprised she got a high value man to wait a year for sex? Answer: no. There were literal billions of men who would have waited years to have sex with Adriana Lima in her 20s. The thing I am telling you is that being a virgin is not going to dissuade any guy from going after you. It is only a plus to like 99…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 02:18 AM
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Self identified slut here. I didn’t even like waiting till date 3 for sex because I wanted to weed guys out who couldn’t bring it in bed earlier on. It was no skin off my nose to fuck and forget a guy. It seems insane that women like me should stop fucking guys on the 1st or 2nd date simply because there is some warped perception that it will make guys have the expectation of sex sooner. And it’s actually a lie that promiscuous women cause men to act like they expect early in a courtship. Most m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 02:08 AM
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It doesn’t make it harder to pair bond. The fact that some woman is promiscuous indicates her sex/love connection wasn’t that high to begin with. In a crass and blunt way, promiscuity makes it clear where your league is and makes it clear when you are and are not settling. As for the pair bond, depends on the person and their goals. I slept with plenty of guys before I met my partner and I’ve been totally faithful to him all 7 years. The other guys disappeared to me. For me, my lack of sex/love …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 10:32 PM
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Totally delusional on your part. Stupid men like to pretend women hate other women so they can fantasize that these pitiable women need a man’s affection to have any affection in life at all. All data shows the opposite. Women’s mostly female social networks provide more benefits than male social networks and women get less social and emotional benefits from romantic relationships with men than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:47 PM
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Where do you think these constantly dating women are? Women don’t seem to know many. The only women I know that average 4 partners a year have serious issues. One is a drug addict, another was an alcoholic and all of the others were raped at a young age and end up promiscuous as a way of dealing with trauma. I seriously do not know any women with 4+ n counts per year that do not exhibit other significant mental problems that are easily identified.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:42 PM
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Thanks. Seems completely in line with the women I’ve known.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:35 PM
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Your table includes gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:31 PM
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You must not know about me because I’ve got posts on other subreddits about how I fantasize about a femme domme with a working penis who will wreck me with her hard cock. Dudes wearing make up is a plus to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:25 PM
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I’ve always work make up and think it seems to make almost no difference in dating success. In person, nearly all men can see past makeup. It might work in a picture though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:05 PM
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In your mind is this a realistic question and a problem you’ll have to face? Let me tell you something, son. The red states have made it bureaucratically impossible to get an abortion past 6 weeks, even a life saving one. Amanda zurawski testified in court about needing an abortion at 22 weeks because her pregnancy was leaking out of her dilated cervix. She was sent home without care in Texas. Her pregnancy became septic and she nearly died. Her uterus is scarred from the infection and she may b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 05:16 PM
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The only people who have done anything to include women in the military are feminists, who have also made formal proposals to the government to include women in the next US draft. Red pill men, on the other hand, sit and rant anonymously on the internet about this issue and do absolutely nothing more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:22 PM
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If you are childfree, that would be true assuming that your estimates are correct. I think the mess increases more than that for two people. But what else does this comparatively low earning non housekeeping guy bring to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:25 PM
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Do you think women are oppressed in the Middle East in countries such as Saudi Arabia? In Afghanistan?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:54 PM
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My son is like a carbon copy of his father, which is very cute. To be honest, his father would probably be disappointed if he became a surgeon instead of something creative, which is what he expects. I love my partner just the way he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:31 PM
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20 years ago I would have been. Now I’m in the ‘hope my son grows up to be like that’ phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:10 PM
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I agree that this is a much better question. If artificial wombs are possible and sex dolls become lifelike enough to replace the desire for actual woman, what would society be like if real women stopped being born. My guess is fairly alright but more destabilized and violent and rife with extreme inequality, even if technological progress made it such that no one had to go without. Resources would be allocated like a casino’s cash. The sex dolls would be doing housework and childcare and other …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:24 AM
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The fact that women end up doing more housework even with earning more justifies that higher earning women still want men who earn at least as much as them. Better to be single than end up with lower earning you who also expects you to do twice as much housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:12 AM
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The grossest thing is a guy who complains about how much mess there is but does not clean it himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:09 AM
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Yeah. I mostly meant red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:39 PM
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Why do you have this belief that getting laid was easy for men between 1990 and 2017? That’s oddly specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:22 PM
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I know that gay guys get married but they are all guys. They don’t frequently complain about entitlement and delusions and n counts of the sex they are attracted to. Purple pill guys vent all the time about how women are like mental cases from their view. I’m actually pleasantly surprised and confused about why purple pill men seek relationships with women (apart from for sex), given that they disparage women so much as if women are deluded and childish by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:50 PM
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Are you for real? 6’2 and a surgeon?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:20 PM
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You say for hooking up, you need to get to know a guy on a personal level first. Do gay men not offer this typically? Also why no relationship with a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:11 PM
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Gay guys don’t want to go on a date, even knowing that sex is all but guarenteed at the end and that they don’t have to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:05 PM
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My partner is the neurotic one in my relationship and I’m laid back. He is always the one to criticize how I load the dishwasher or sweep the floors but I think I do it well enough. I do not criticize him for how he does things. But I must give him credit. If I tell him something one time, he remembers it forever and does it the way I suggest. I am less apt to doing things his way because he tells me a lot of stuff and I kind of feel like one person being focused on the exact way to do something…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:55 AM
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So your solution to this imagined problem is to avoid doing housework and expect your girlfriend to do it? A man who cleans up after himself and the children without being nagged to do it is much preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 11:03 AM
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Behold men of Reddit. Whenever you feel dejected about the prospect of attracting a woman, remember that this is the level of some of the competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:41 PM
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Not single or a single mother. I am in a relationship with the father of all of my children, and I have been in this relationship for 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:24 PM
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You don’t offer any protection. Single women are safer from violence compared to women in relationships because the vast majority of violence against women is from their intimate partner. Otherwise, protection comes from the police force and legal system, who are paid by taxes that men and women both pay. Women don’t need your leadership. Women are less likely to get in trouble in school or work, less likely to commit a crime, more likely to get a college education and under 30, women make equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:19 PM
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I’m not attracted to this. I am not into relationships that are focused on serving some man’s ego. Wow, he’s so great! Let me serve and cater to him!…not As a practical matter, if a man is indeed very attractive and high earning and great in bed, and a way of keeping his monogamous attention is to cook and clean for him, this isn’t a bad deal for a lady, especially if she is either incapable or uninterested of affording the lifestyle he can afford for her. But hey, be that guy. Be 6,6,6 and date…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:33 PM
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The fear that you, as a man, will be doing most of the housework and childcare as a the main earner is unfounded because that situation is rare. However, most women who are breadwinners do most of the childcare and housework as well. And female breadwinners end up doing most of the work at home because the average man is so opposed to doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:10 PM
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These men don’t ask women to clean or do dishes. They whine and complain and criticize and belittle on the days when the house is not clean and the dishes are not done.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:26 PM
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Error of projection. You’re the one who wants someone to serve you dinner and wash the dishes. That is what parents do for small children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:24 PM
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Wow you guys have such a pathetic set of masculinity issues. Is childcare and cooking so very beneath you? But apparently it is supposed to be wonderful and fulfilling for other people just because they have vaginas. Women who want a partner to do childcare and housework hope to merely exist in a relationship? But men who expect women to do all of this, which amounts to hours per day of work, are what? You guys are planning on going to work and doing the same job you would have done if you had n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:23 PM
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The biggest turn off for me is a man not wanting to do childcare and housework and traditionally feminine chores. Well, I know no one wants to do the dishes, but a guy who avoids doing the dishes and hopes his girlfriend will do it is the biggest turn off possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:26 PM
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Some promiscuous women leave because they chase emotional highs but I have seen some leave only for valid reasons. One lady I know slept with like 60 guys before getting married around age 28. She was totally faithful to her husband but he cheated multiple times and he was generally checked out of the marriage emotionally, so she left. Most of the promiscuous women I have known appear to be faithful in their marriages and they have been married for many years now, so I don’t think there is a cat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:24 AM
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Interesting that the problem with promiscuous women is the fear that she’ll leave you. In my experience, that’s a valid fear. I’ve seen that promiscuous women are not very hesitant to leave relationships, even without there being objective problems. Generally, jf they don’t get their needs met, they are not afraid to seek it elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:06 AM
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Right? Talk all day long on the internet and even through the ages of men wanting partners with the lowest n count possible, but in reality, I swear I see the opposite. The promiscuous girls punch above their weight in terms of the quality of man they end up with and low n count girls either usually settle early for whatever guy they happened to be dating in their early 20s, or they don’t end up with anyone, because 90% of the time the reason ladies in their late 20s or older are low n count is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 09:59 PM
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One of my ex’s admitted he thought less of me upon seeing how physically unatttactive one of my prior ex’s was. He somehow felt less validation knowing I would be into a guy who wasn’t physically attractive, even though that ugly guy had a lot going for him otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 09:44 PM
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I get that cards and stuff are appealing, but this stuff is useless in the long run. Maybe the problem is that your love language is gifts and performative shows of affection, which are things that are easy for a faker to entertain for several months. I know we’re all built the way we are and that’s how it is, but I think this is where I am thankful I am an acts of service girl 500%. Acts of service take hours or days and a guy who expresses his love this way is doing it because of his nature an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:28 PM
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I think we’re not allowed to do body count posts, but my guess is that the lowest body counts are in the 3 and below range because they get little attention from men and do not try and shop around for a good one because that seems out of range. The second lowest body counts are 9+ because they get snapped up. Guys commit to them easily so they tend to spend a lot of time in relationships with one guy. Highest body count is 5-7- enough to get attention but not enough to always draw commitment. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:20 PM
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Yeah, I feel like you’re describing what it is to be strung along for years. I’ve seen in happen to some women. But usually these relationships fizzle out before marriage even though they suck years of your life. Somehow I’ve never been in this kind of relationship myself. Somehow I know how to filter in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:40 PM
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100%. Reddit dating advice is always “that is a red flag. You should get therapy and think about leaving.” As if finding a New Romantic relationship is like ordering on Uber eats.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:33 PM
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Your reply literally has nothing to do with this topic. Go ask a single father with custody about how much childcare he does per week, and tell him that he shouldn’t complain that he is doing more than the baby mama because all he’s doing is the bare minimum as a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:26 AM
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Mildly attractive? I don’t even like her but looks wise she is 10 out of 10. She’s in her mid 30s now and practically all celebs have plastic surgery, but she needed none. 50 years ago when barely anyone had plastic surgery, Taylor would look outstanding compared to all the rest. Now she blends in more with celebs, but by genetics, she is physically perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:22 AM
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Yeah but I get the impression they stopped pursuing their own independent interests, despite having considerable potential, in order to support their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 12:38 AM
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Since you don’t think unpaid labor is a real issue, surely you think there is nothing taxing about being a single custodial father. All you’ve got to do is the bare minimum after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 12:03 AM
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Thanks. That’s a helpful answer. I have also noticed that some very successful men marry below their league because they want a woman who is fully invested in the husband’s success, as if she has very little needs or aspirations of her own outside of supporting his ambitions. Cases like this include Roger Federer and bill gates. Back in the 90s, people used to rag on Melinda for not being conventionally hot, but bill really carefully selected her. I’ve heard he used to take women on dates and pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:43 PM
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This is your idea of a butterface? https://images.app.goo.gl/8v6qKsnDWbw8VSRd7
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:38 PM
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What about men who date/marry “below” his league. What does the girl usually offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:25 PM
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This post is ridiculous. Married women are the burden in female to female relationships because they bring their kids along, are infrequently available to hang out, cancel because of their kids etc. single women can easily hang out with each other as much as they want. Women who end up single usually go through a relatively brief period of mourning the happily married life they thought they’d have. And then they get more invested in their hobbies or other aspirations and they aren’t that bothere…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:08 PM
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Women can totally be happy without kids. Being happy while perpetually single is more unusual, but childfree by choice women seem to regret their stance way way less often than mothers. As for what it has to do with dating, the threat of being a lady alone with her cats is often not much of a threat. If only more men could get to liking singlehood too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:04 PM
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I was single in my 30s and it was hard. It seemed like men in their 30s were in their dating prime. However, a lot of women in their 30s still strongly prefer men under 40. Men over 40 usually have a hard time attracting women under 30, and their best realistic option is a woman in their 30s. So a woman in her 30s who is willing to date men in their 40s, including divorced men can have an almost comparable level of options as a woman in her 20s. Also do you have any idea what women in their 30s …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:48 PM
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I know an obese lady who was a virgin and had never had a serious boyfriend who found a guy to marry just like her when she was 35. He was also obese. He was also a virgin, which his community praised him for because they were evangelical Christians. She was also a devout Christian. They are very happy together now. So if losing weight is not your thing, maybe try a church.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:23 PM
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But looks like she succeeded. Good for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:11 AM
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Only if he’s not immediately physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:45 PM
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Women don’t call men incels. Honestly most women have no idea what the word even means. Incels are worried about being incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:54 PM
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Women don’t usually think about men who aren’t having sex with women in a romantic way at all. The only one who connects the feeling of humiliation with a guy failing to have sex with women is that guy himself. No one else thinks about that guy’s sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:37 PM
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Dude come on. It doesn’t make sense. Women would have no special information to suggest that you are freakishly weaker than other men unless you have a visible disability. These things will make you less threatening but will simultaneously make you less attractive. Being visibly disabled might help you if you want to talk to women who are walking alone in deserted alleys at night, but it won’t help you make friends with women or date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:22 PM
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Your original question makes no sense. You aren’t going to be better perceived by women if you lack strength if you stay a man. The question would be better if you simply asked if you’d rather be a woman. Basically half the world can kill you on sight with their bare hands if they feel like it. But you usually lack this predicament where you obsessively seek sex from people with much more selective standards, and you lack the primitive male instinct that pegs much of your self esteem on being ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:14 PM
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Hey well, I’m all for a movement where women collectively decide not to sleep with or marry or date men convicted of violent crimes within the last 5 years. What does this have to do with reality though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:19 PM
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Guys who look like Henry cavill and Chris Evans do not have trouble getting with women, even if they are 35+. You should save this post and look at it again when you are 35+ and have a good chuckle at yourself for asking this question. It’s like you think 35+ people are sexually irrelevant geezers and have to look like supermodels to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:00 PM
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Are women to blame for violent men that date rape them when these women reject them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:36 PM
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Perhaps because my post doesn’t have anything to do with my own dating habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:09 PM
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It is not progressing towards polygamy in any relevant sense. While chads might have occasional casual sex with multiple women, neither Chad nor any of the women in that situation want to be part of the same household or have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:05 PM
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I know. This is silly. The societies with men with big harems are all deeply patriarchal with limited rights for women. Even historically polygamous societies end up more monogamous as women gain rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:01 PM
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Don’t know but I have a couple of cousins and some friends like this. They don’t go on dating apps or to bars or clubs or anything and are not strikingly attractive so they either don’t get asked out or they refuse all who ask them out. Don’t know but they are basically permanently single from what I can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:11 PM
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I don’t see any comeuppance happening for women that play the field. I’m old now and I’ve seen all the gals live their dating lives from puberty to menopause. Among the middle class and above, most women find a permanent relationship early on and get married by their late 20s. Then there are other groups of women- One minority doesn’t settle early and dates otherwise, including exploring sexuality and dating women, dating chads, dating random guys, dating a few guys and then having it not work o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:01 PM
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Maybe. Interesting how they are so reserved about mentioning it to anyone else. All the promiscuous girls I know ended up punching above their weight in terms of who they ended up with. These days so many girls give up on dating, never sign up for dating apps and generally are inaccessible to men so that sluts end up having the advantage of simply meeting a whole lot more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:54 PM
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Weird, huh? In my experience, young women are 50x more likely to fixate on slut shaming than guys and even girls stop caring after like age 25. The whole time from teenage to grave, guys like sluts. But on the internet, guys rag on body counts all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:51 PM
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In college you are least in competition with other men since college girls tend to stay within their closed community. You will probably see the effects of their competition immediately upon graduation. Focus on your career and make money. It will take years but it will make things better. And if you can looksmax then do that too. That will help you not lower your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:48 PM
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This is a weird one because men say they care but I’m just not sure they do. At least I’ve never observed men actually refusing to date or commit to a woman because of the amount of past partners she had, regardless of how they were acquired. It’s like a thing that maybe possibly exists in young closed communities like high school or college and even then I haven’t observed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:45 PM
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Someone on the other thread correctly calculated the amount of women who meet those criteria as 4.1 million in the US. But there are 27 million single men under 50 and 20%+ of married men who cheat, all of which prefer slender single childless women under 30 if they can get it. And almost all actively looking straight men try to pursue single childless women under 30 to a degree by doing them favors, paying them attention etc. Being a father or being over 30 sure does not stop men from putting s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:08 PM
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There was a recent thread defining a minimal viable woman as being non overweight, no kids and under 30. Basically “mvw” is equivalent to hvw and then average guys don’t understand why this is hard for them to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:47 PM
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Me personally, maybe but it’s not clearly a gender thing. I have had a lot of challenges in life that I struggle with and I tend to attract men that want to take care of me and help me with my struggles. So my relationships tend to be me depending on them and them in a more paternal role of higher responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:01 PM
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Is extroversion really so valuable? I feel like strong and silent as an appealing male archetype. Or the lone wolf type of guy who is competent as a person all on his own. Like the hero of the story who lives outside of society and can take care of himself totally autonomously. I don’t dislike extroversion but I don’t place any value on it either. I’m extremely introverted so I at least have that in common with introverted men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:08 AM
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I’ve been turned down for sex with men on several occasions and I wonder if that was the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:37 PM
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I’ve never approached a random woman because they are probably straight. One time a girl randomly approached me as I walked into a restaurant. She approached me and open mouth kissed me within like 5 seconds. It was awesome. She was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:13 PM
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Few women push for sex on the first date with guys, that’s interesting. I don’t but I get it. I want it early as well with guys because I want to weed out quickly. I don’t do this with women because I find women reliably enjoyable while I find a small percentage of men enjoyable sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:38 PM
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Honestly, I was part of the problem. I found it fine to meet and go on some dates and I really like women but ultimately I would chicken out of a full relationship because I didn’t want to be publicly identified as a lesbian. I wanted to succeed at a straight relationship, partially because I found it so hard to succeed at that that I wanted the validation of succeeding in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:58 PM
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My longest relationship with a woman was 6 months. I’ve dated a few women for less than that as well. My relationships were not longer because I didn’t want to come out of the closet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:54 PM
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I don’t know what it was. Usually what I have going for me in life is that I keep showing up a lot more than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:34 PM
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Until I was about 23, I was on the chubby side but only a bit. I might have been 1 pound into the overweight category at my highest weight. I lost weight but then was considered a butterface by men while women didn’t take issue with my face.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:46 PM
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Men did not find me conventionally attractive in my youth. But in a romantic context, some women said I looked good to them and acted upon this sentiment with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:38 PM
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What do you want women to offer you? Women don’t give the non romantic men credit for what the romantic ones are doing, but the romantic men are much appreciated by many many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:29 PM
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Are you bashful about answering the question affirmatively? Do you secretly pine for a bouquet of flowers and serenades and poems written by your loved one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:17 PM
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Yeah I think that’s great. I’d be happy to write a song for a guy. It’s wonderful that you hold these gestures dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:41 PM
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And if he wanted emotional support then he wants me to listen. He doesnt want poems or flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:48 AM
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I can offer to give him a blow job and write a poem or give him a blow job and do the laundry so he doesn’t have to. He wants the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:45 AM
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The vagina is meant to push out 8 pound packs of meat and bones out again and again. It doesn’t lose sensitivity. Not how girls work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:43 AM
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lol, that’s not why women don’t do romantic gestures for men. If I go ask my boyfriend tonight if he wants me to write him a romantic poem or give him a blowjob, which do you think he will choose? I mean, you don’t know my boyfriend, but probably everyone here knows the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:40 AM
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Being romantic is more of a differentiator between men rather than a categorical statement about men. A particular man is romantic if he is prone to writing poems and serenading. Or he is behaving in a romantic manner to a woman, which is special if it is not the norm for him. So, it’s a differentiator between how men act towards women they don’t care about vs one they are treating better, at least superficially. That’s the most normal sounding way of using the term romantic. “He was romantic” o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:30 AM
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What? Men do romantic gestures so they are the logical gender? Non sequitor mi amor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:12 AM
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Do you think men are as romantic as women? I don’t understand what the debate is supposed to be about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:08 AM
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How would that reduce the ability to orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:15 PM
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^ this. You have to be so f’d up to get dumped if you are killer in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:59 PM
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I guess but I don’t know why. I didn’t even know photo filters existed when I was online dating so I don’t know how my photos looked so different than I did in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:15 PM
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Well the who can blame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:06 PM
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Then why you mad? Can any guy here explain to me why such a small percentage of the guys I met off online dating made any real attempt to have sex with me. I think most, like 70%, simply did not ask me out again and never were in contact again. Of the remainder, maybe 25% made really really low effort attempts to have sex with me, which they probably knew had little chance of succeeding. And of only the rest made a respectable attempt at having sex with me. So most did not find me likable or att…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:00 PM
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I remember many years ago in my early 20s, some guy friend of a friend asked us girls and I how often we got asked out in person. And all of us said every day. And the guy was shocked and thought we were lying. And I wasn’t even pretty. I mean, we know men mostly dont want to commit, but we are so used to not engaging that we don’t really know what they want. I know girls who married random men that asked them out in person (guys they’d never seen before they got asked out). So I never really kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:12 PM
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From what I’m hearing from you guys about how hard it is, I’m guessing an overweight average looking woman has a chance at landing commitment from the bottom end of the top 20% of men on tinder. She’s shooting her shot, if she fails she’ll be alone. Maybe that’s fine with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:00 PM
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If a 3/10 is getting attention from 100 guys, what’s inflated about her ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:54 PM
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Never seen the girls on tinder. Just because they swipe left on you doesn’t mean they only want Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:50 PM
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It’s not. This is genuinely how many single guys see the world of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:32 PM
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Are there really overweight plain faced women that think they have a real likelihood of marrying a gorgeous well off men or something? I don’t encounter such women, but on the internet, seems a lot of men claim this is what women believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:22 PM
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I want sex practically all of the time…with my favorite chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 04:53 PM
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There are practically zero men who would find it easier to make millions of dollars rather than find a romantic relationship. Even if you have selective standards, that is way easier than making millions of dollars. If you have some unique gift that enables you to make millions of dollars with relative ease, even then, it will be easier to get a girlfriend if you are successfully involved in making this millions of dollars compared to finishing making millions of dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 04:40 PM
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Is your denominator women in the same age range? So x% of women age 20-29 are childless and not overweight? My post used all adult women as the denominator and justified it by saying that almost all adult men ideally prefer women who meet those characteristics. Hence, a 25 year old woman often gets hit on and asked out by 50 year old men and married fathers etc. if she allows a conversation with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:15 PM
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I dunno. This post is almost the same post that I made, but mine was deleted by mods because it was allegedly a circle jerk with an offensive title. But mine had correct math and placed the percentage of adult women who are childless and not overweight and under 35 at roughly 5%. Guys were criticizing the concept left and right there. Then some guy repeats the same idea I posted with grievously wrong math, and the other dudes mostly sympathize with the post because it is framed as showing how ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:02 PM
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Your math is good. There are about 130 million women over 18 in the us, which leads to about 6% of women being the 7.9 million you mention. But that does not exclude the fat ones. Taking that out drops it down to perhaps 3% of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 01:04 PM
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You might do better. I’m not sure. Firstly, being a white man is often desirable outside the Us. Like in Latin America and sometimes even Asia. Conversely, being black is very frowned upon in many cultures. Being American means your household income is at least 10 times as high as men in many poor countries. And the average height in those countries tends to be a few inches lower. So 5’8” looks better there than here. So you might have some luck with a local lady. Maybe in Central America or som…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:34 AM
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I made the original post. I think the issue is that men are largely so basic in what they want that all of them prefer almost the same thing (childless, slender and under 35). Many of them cannot have their preferences, but they are still shooting their shot. Fat men will pursue thin women. Older men will pursue younger women. Married men will pursue single women. Women are more slightly more varied in taste because they at least prefer different age ranges based on their own age. They don’t all…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:14 AM
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You’re probably right but there are other factors which I didn’t even mention such as number of past sexual partners or facial prettiness. And while mothers are more likely to be overweight, slender women are probably more likely to be taken (at least in an ltr).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 07:02 PM
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You can’t become fit? You can’t become gainfully employed or good at investing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 06:37 PM
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I disagree. If 60% to 70% of women age 18 to 35 are overweight, then yes, these men of the same age who are dating the slender ones are dating above average women. In many cases, the ones who are mothers have children with men of their same age cohort, so the percentile shift for being childless does not apply to their case (since some of the guys you mention are the fathers). In general, those guys are with the top 10% of women. It’s the same calculation but without the childless factor in it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 06:03 PM
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But you’d be selecting for a group that is less desired rather than more desired, so the competition for that group would be much more limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:48 PM
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Maybe it helps and maybe not. A 28 year old is very likely to be willing to date a 32 year old at least. And enough other qualities is likely to make her look at a guy a decade older than her, even if she initially says that is too old. You have the edge, I believe that. But you are still facing significant competition from men who are older than 28. And some of those men have things you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:46 PM
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Dont know enough to say. Is he unemployed? Is he 5’3”? The relevant factors in general percentile of appeal are not quite the same for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:43 PM
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Lazy. But looked age the age estimation- https://www.census.gov/popclock/data_tables.php?component=pyramid Varies by year but gpt looks accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:41 PM
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It makes you the man with the most consistent proximity to women who are 22 to 28 with a healthy BMI, but nothing stops a 36 year old guy from hitting on your pool of women. I don’t know you, but what do you think your chances are against a 36 year old surgeon who is 6’2” hitting on your pool?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:34 PM
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Gpt tells me it used US census data from 2020 for demographic percentages and CDC data to estimate the overweight prevalence. You are free to confirm if it was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:32 PM
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I think that garbage man is one of the only such jobs that might be looked down on simply because of the ick factor, but generally many such jobs pay well and come with good benefits so they are a plus. Another job that is similar to garbage man is septic tank repairman. But if you own your own septic tank repair business and you make decent money, I think most women wouldn’t be repulsed by the job itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 04:44 PM
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That’s what blackpill means? Looks is all that male relationship success requires? Guys, I’ve been there and got the T-shirt. Just fix yourself! If you believed all you need it looks, that’s easily obtained. Ask me how I know. Male looks are simple. There are only a few elements involved. Get a buff body- all can do that. Requires no budget. You can look at YouTube and do workouts. Face- basically all you need is a strong jaw and chin. Everything else gives you “character”. Crooked noses? Scarre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:04 PM
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Yes I am. I was in my mid to late 30s when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:50 AM
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It literally can’t be the case because I started routinely getting second dates after getting plastic surgery. My problem was looks, not personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:46 AM
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If you don’t compromise on the shallow, you will almost certainly be compromising on the deep and the compromise there is much worse in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:45 AM
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Ain’t no thang.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 04:56 PM
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Yes, I was not attractive. But why wasn’t I? I was in my mid thirties and not overweight. But that wasn’t enough at all for any guy with a decent job to date me. And by decent job, I dated guys such as teachers and guys working lower level jobs in compliance and such things. As long it was a full time job with some stability. I feel like normal guys have higher standards for commitment than they pretend to here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 03:53 PM
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Well none of these guys should complain when they have to pay alimony and lose half of the assets they earned 100% of because their ex wife doesn’t gave the means to support herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 01:15 PM
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Not quite right. After breaking up with my ex in his 50s, I struggled to date anyone that had a decent job (decent being equivalent to mine, which was an entry level job in marketing at the time). I figured that the problem was that I was physically unattractive, so I got bunch of plastic surgery. After getting surgery, I found it so incredibly easy to date that I started to date men in a higher “league.” This was not a struggle at all. Your accusation is partially right though. Once I had the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:07 AM
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It’s insulting when someone tells you that you are only suited to date a gas station attendant and not an educated professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:02 AM
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No, that’s not correct. I had no children while dating. I have 2 small children after being in a relationship. Also I checked your profile. Love the bolts. Gimme gimme.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:00 AM
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I was once at a dinner event and I was complaining about how hard I was finding dating. And a married man next to me said that I probably wanted to date another desk job type like me, but I was aiming too high and would end up lonely and I’d be great for a guy who was a gas station attendant (this is literally what he said). And that a gas station attendant would probably feel good to be with me but I would never consider that my level. I mean, there was some truth to that and the comment really…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 11:36 PM
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I agree with you 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 11:22 PM
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Well. I mentioned below that I had an addiction problem in my 20s and was not able to maintain a serious relationship or a job. I did date some guys that had the same kind of problems that I did. I beat my addiction in my late 20s and then dated an older man (who had also beat the same addiction) for a few years, but I didn’t feel I could stay with him because I was paying for most of the rent and the food. So it my mid 30s I tried to date again and it was so hard. Maybe guys were rejecting me b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 11:19 PM
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Yes because I still feel bad even years after meeting someone. It’s like ptsd from years of in person rejection. I also only probably met someone because I invested in so much plastic surgery to the point where I am not really even recognizable compared to what I used to look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:42 PM
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This is how it was for me. I had a serious addiction problem throughout my 20s and was not able to maintain either a job or a relationship. It took me till was like 26 to get a bachelors degree because I dropped out of school for years. While in my addiction phase, I sort of dated others with similar problems but those relationships could not be sustained because we both had serious problems. I kicked my addiction by my late 20s and was dating my older boyfriend for some years because he also ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:38 PM
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A small percentage. Like 2%. I swiped a lot. I work hard, lol,
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:31 PM
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It’s real! I guess guys here don’t believe it but it’s real. It’s like sooo many guys want to go on a date with you and show up for who knows what reason and then they fizzle out because they are not really interested. And it’s not that they are a bunch of super hot guys in any objective sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:29 PM
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I wouldn’t necessarily but for small talk I prefer women. For deep meaningful convos, just depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:26 PM
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I feel that is what 99% of women do. They just don’t date because it is so much work for nothing. It is way more work than just swiping and not getting swiped back. You can do that in your house.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:25 PM
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Yeah I think they are. I think men struggle to get initial contact but women struggle to get monogamous commitment a lot more than men once we are past the first couple of dates
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:23 PM
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Yeah I guess maybe I was. A lot of guys seemed more or less able to handle a first date. Like they acted like normal people. If there was something wrong with them, in general I don’t know what it was because I never got to know them well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:19 PM
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She’s really right. That is smart. It’s dumb to exclude people because they have something that seems imperfect on paper. Dating perfect on paper is not going to be the best complement for you in life, even if dating perfect on paper is an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:18 PM
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Maybe 150? Maybe more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:14 PM
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I don’t think so. I think many average looking or plain women would be in my shoes if they tried as hard as I did to find someone. Most give up quickly and resolve to stay single unless some quality man happens to pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:11 PM
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Believe me, that did not make me lucky. I wasted literal years of my life meeting people who do not remember me and who I do not remember either. We did not have interesting conversations. It was the same introductions over and over again. I wish I had spent that time with my friends or family or on hobbies. You are lucky you didn’t have the opportunity to waste time this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:08 PM
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I won’t say where but a major urban center in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:03 PM
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I don’t have one. I am in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:03 PM
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I did all of that. It did not work. I literally had to get 40k worth of plastic surgery to routinely get second dates. But at least it worked and luckily I unexpectedly found the money through work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:00 PM
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I could get a date every day probably if I wanted to. But I was single for 2.5 years despite going on dates a few times a week. I was rejected by 99% of the guys I went on dates with after some point. I seriously wish they had saved me the effort and not asked me out. Do you know what it is like to go on 100 dates and have every man reject you? Most did not attempt to have sex with me either. They just did not like me and were not attracted to me despite me using no filters on my photos or anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:59 PM
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It’s totally the illusion of options. I happened to connect with some of the guys I went on dates with on Facebook or LinkedIn even though the relationship didn’t go anywhere. The majority of them are still single. So they rejected me but looks like they are also rejecting everyone else. By now these guys are all in their late 30/ or 40s and few appear to be in serious long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:55 PM
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Are your standards high?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:52 PM
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It just draws out the same process. Get dressed, put make up on and go out for a date. Get rejected or get strung along for a month and then repeat. Would have just saved me time and effort if the guy never swiped right on me to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:46 PM
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No I’m not. I got dates. Just nothing remotely close to love or commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:44 PM
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I guess, but after some point I had lowered my standards past the point of being functional. I was dating a guy who was 20 years older than me and relying on me for money. And really no one “better” wanted to date me for several years after I ended that relationship despite me trying by going out to meet men on dates often.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:43 PM
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But why do you assume that just because you are being rejected at all levels, the average woman isn’t being rejected far more often after the initial stages of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:40 PM
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Women know if you think you are not the best while still thinking you are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:22 PM
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I feel like men experience more initial rejection but women experience more ghosting and dumping after going on 3 dates or more
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:20 PM
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