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Yeah exactly. Plus I'm already heavily insecure about my body and I suspect that the kind of men who go to sex clubs tend to be the ones with the best genetics if you know what I mean
/r/MensRights13/08/24 07:02 PM
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Yeah I'm sure you're right. I guess the closest thing to a middle ground would be something like a sex club. I was actually invited to one by a very strange woman I met on this site who happens to live near me. But it didn't really seem like my kind of scene
/r/MensRights13/08/24 12:13 PM
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I'm not attractive enough to be able to date without herculean effort so I'm thinking about trying escorts too. Although honestly, I've been a porn addict for a while and it's to the point where I think I could probably be satisfied enough, or at least close, with just using porn when I'm horny and not worrying about trying to date. There's no point to worrying anyway, it was made very clear to me, when I was still trying, that I don't meet women's physical requirements
/r/MensRights13/08/24 03:42 AM
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I used to be unmanicured, unkempt and awkward myself. I still am, but way less so!
/r/MensRights12/08/24 03:30 AM
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That's pretty funny. Standing up for men is wrong think though, according to The Message, so this will probably be patched out
/r/MensRights11/08/24 09:42 PM
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Yes exactly
/r/MensRights11/08/24 11:33 AM
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Agreed. I think these tend to be people who were born after social media already existed and the internet was already as ubiquitous as it is today. Thus they were infected with the internet addiction and woke SJW mindset very early on. Not excusing their behavior, just taking a guess as its origin
/r/MensRights11/08/24 11:32 AM
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If there are, there won't be for long at this rate
/r/MensRights10/08/24 11:35 PM
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From what I hear, it's pretty much everywhere already
/r/MensRights10/08/24 11:33 PM
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And women will have an absolute collective meltdown. Governments will do all they can to keep that tech from being accessible to most men.
/r/MensRights10/08/24 10:42 PM
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Amen. She's already on the same "women good men bad" train as AOC.
/r/MensRights10/08/24 10:41 PM
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They'll try to force those men to fight through whatever means necessary. They'll take their jobs, jail them, send hired thugs to assault/kill them or their family members
/r/MensRights10/08/24 10:13 PM
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Yeah this is kinda where I'm at. Back before social media accelerated the decline, I already wasn't having success. I was already short for my age. Already knew I had a bad genetic frame Nowadays? Pssh. Not even worth trying. And I say this is as someone who did try, a lot, before giving up. It's just getting worse and worse
/r/MensRights10/08/24 09:09 PM
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I wish I had used this site more in the early days, when there were far fewer users and next to no censorship. Surprisingly even 4Chan is now slowly getting infected with wokies. Right now it's just a few minor arguments on every 10th thread or so, but eventually they will make their way into the site's admin. That's what viruses do.
/r/MensRights10/08/24 08:10 PM
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I'd have to convert miles into steps somehow but my goal is 5 miles, I'm at 1.7
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:21 PM
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Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:19 PM
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Women get an extreme concentrated form of ick from men who are not romantically successful, and they think those men should be groveling and grinding for scraps of their attention instead of daring to complain about their situation. Women think those men should be grateful just to be in the same room with them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:15 PM
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Ding ding ding Women absolutely hate when men they feel have collectively been labeled unattractive are able to find romantic success without groveling for it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:06 PM
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Most of them are nice to look at and the ones who have nice voices are nice to listen to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:56 PM
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Congrats, those flings are still more than I managed to achieve when I was still trying. Thank you though, it is nice to know in a way. It's a relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:10 PM
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Sure will be interesting to see! I'm excited too to see how shit will ramp up getting close to November.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:06 PM
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The reason doesn't matter honestly. Women's reactions will be the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:06 PM
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The US seems to be headed that way
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:51 PM
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Yep! And women will crank up the shaming as these things become more accessible and higher quality, because they don't want men to have any sexual outlet that isn't Woman Approved
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:46 PM
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Because women already profit off of male loneliness more than they should
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:43 PM
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Yep! And because those rest of men don't exist, their struggles don't either. And because their struggles don't exist, there's no risk of women being held accountable. Starting to see the logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:41 PM
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Yep! Then whenever one of those men snaps because he's finally had enough, they say he was always a monster and it was just a matter of time
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:39 PM
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I was thinking about getting one of those. Can you share which one you have, on here or in DM?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:38 PM
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Hey I'm in the same boat at 27 too!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:34 PM
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It's kind of funny how your comment implies that change from historical norms is good for women but bad for men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:33 PM
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Me too! Go team!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:30 PM
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Only a sith deals in absolutes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:28 PM
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That's a very valid concern. The mainstream media around the world is very anti male right now, because they are primarily controlled by the left and the left is also very anti male. It's all identity politics at this point. White men are the devil, women of all colors are angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:24 PM
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This is an interesting comment. Who will this leader be? What will they be like?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:21 PM
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Very well said!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:20 PM
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Agreed! And those AI gfs are improving at a pretty fast rate. I try them every 6 months or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:16 PM
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Right? Funny how women can find a million problems with stats unless they make women look good and men like the bad ones
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:12 PM
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Yeah I feel called out lol but on some level he's not wrong about me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:10 PM
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Hey I have similar thoughts!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:09 PM
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Like others have said, I'm not necessarily OK with it as much as it just doesn't bother me as much because I'm used to it. Plus I've finally realized and accepted that it's not my fault. For a long period of time I acquired and did all the classic things everyone says will attract women, and nothing changed. Now thanks to men's communities (and women being more honest online than they tend to be in real life), I see that my shortcomings are genetic which nothing can be done about. Sure I'd like …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:01 PM
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I don't really notice any women unless I have to talk to a female cashier or doctor, or my therapist. I'm not comfortable having casual conversations with women unless it's someone I've known a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:51 PM
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With all due respect, I don't believe you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:37 PM
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Yep. License removed, maybe even jail time.
/r/MensRights02/08/24 07:32 PM
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The nice thing is, though, it's easy to clap back on. "Well you wouldn't want a not real man to raise your grandchild right? So what's the problem?" "Well you wouldn't want to date a not real man right? So what's the problem?"
/r/MensRights02/08/24 07:30 PM
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Shocker
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:14 PM
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Women (who have many options no matter what) look down on men who they perceive to have few or no options. Shouldn't be a surprise that they shame it but can't really articulate why
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:17 PM
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I wonder this too, but clearly people do care enough to write articles about it and talk about it on podcasts
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:07 PM
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Mhm and how tall are you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:19 AM
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Oh I didn't say it is anyone's fault but hers. I said feminists will find a way to twist it so that it is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:09 AM
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She moves goalposts a lot. I think she said before she's autistic which explains a lot about how she acts on here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:04 AM
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This rhetoric seems pretty contentless to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:03 AM
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Feminists will say it's a man's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:00 AM
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Same boat! I hardly ever drink, and I get a lot of side eye when I tell people
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:50 PM
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Definitely true. It's sort of like depression in general. It doesn't really go away, it just becomes less intense to the point where you can focus on other things
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:14 AM
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No, I'm not going to do that. The internet is rife with examples. There's no need for me to spend time going back and forth with you only for you to say "I haven't seen that" again or that you simply don't believe it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:12 AM
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You're welcome. It's become so easy to predict at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:38 AM
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How convenient I haven't ever seen rain forming inside rainclouds but I still believe it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:22 AM
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Disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:20 AM
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Lol good one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:15 AM
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That's not red pill, that's black pill Ironic that you're on here telling other people they don't know what they're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:14 AM
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Problem is, women virtue signal all day every day about being against these things and then their actions show the complete opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:07 AM
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Well kudos to you man, that's an accomplishment
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:00 PM
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Hell even at 5'7 I've been made fun of multiple times and eben physcially assaulted by women who rejected me
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:28 PM
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It's totally bragging lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:11 PM
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Your essay deserves way more attention than it got. Just finished reading, it's very good and totally accurate. I agree with your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:10 PM
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I think more and more are, just slowly, because there is a massive effort to suppress stuff like this about women's behavior. Women obviously push back, but so do the men who think defending women at every turn will get them laid, and so does the mainstream media because it's controlled by the left is about as unabashedly pro women as you can get. Edit: A lot of the top tier attractive men push back too because from their perspective women DO date and sleep with men easily and without demands or…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:52 PM
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Similar situation here! 5'7, small frame, skinny wrists, bad skin, slowly losing hair and completely conflict-averse. It's a fairly shit existence but it's the only one I've got! Eventually you read enough depressing stuff like this that you accept it and it doesn't surprise you anymore, nor does it cause stress or anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:46 PM
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Duh! It just so happens every man with BJ Blazkowicz looks also has a great personality!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:42 PM
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The media has trained people not to call it rape when the perpetrator is a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:33 PM
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That's probably the best "only privilege" a man can have. Height is by far the most important and most common attractiveness metric to women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:59 PM
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I went through the same thing. Eventually (hopefully) you just accept it and stop worrying about it. I did, once I had been cruelly rejected enough times. Only then was I able to focus on other areas of life that would actually have positive returns when I invested time in them (fitness, career, hobbies etc). It is indeed very depressing, and society wants you to stay in the rat race badly enough that it will lie to you and/or attack and shame you for not doing so. But at least now we're aware!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:55 PM
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This is exactly it. I haven't read the other replies you've gotten yet but I'm sure there's lots of gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:50 PM
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I didn't go out much during college but from what my friends told me this is pretty much how it went
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:48 PM
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Women can sense what you post on reddit just by looking at you, didn't you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:32 AM
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I assumed when I responded to your comment that didn't have any of that advice but rather just insults and fallacies, that we would be talking only about that comment and not every comment you've made over the last 10 years Silly me I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:32 AM
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I don't see any of those suggestions in your comment that I responded to, could you point them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:06 AM
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I think many of the women here need to see your comment, because they immediately jump to "any man who has trouble dating is socially stunted / antisocial / weird / creepy / etc"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:09 PM
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Lol. "If my advice doesn't work for you then you're socially stunted" About as expected
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:05 PM
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I disagree Also who is "you guys?" I'm one person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:27 PM
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Well it's that plus experience (both what I've seen and what I've had happen to me). There really is a nonzero chance, especially when social media teaches women that not only will that behavior not bring repercussions but they'll actually get encouragement and validation from other women for it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:46 PM
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He creeped her out by interacting with her while not conventionally attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:43 PM
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Funny how this kind of rhetoric is nowhere to be found when discussing women's issues
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:20 PM
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It is indeed obvious, grid is just gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:18 PM
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Sounds like a trap honestly, unless you're conventionally attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:17 PM
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She sensed the second guy's better personality and how many more showers he took and how much more he respected women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:36 PM
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This question implies you think men can only have problems caused by men, which doesn't seem very unbiased
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:13 PM
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And no accountability for women's role in this problem men have
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:38 PM
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Lol, as expected it's men's fault that women are so solipsistic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:37 PM
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Says the person who doesn't struggle finding people to date and sleep with
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:36 PM
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Yeah isn't it just the worst when someone who has a debilitating condition that you can't relate to just can't stop thinking about it? Like just be happy anyway bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:35 PM
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Unless you're a woman. In that case expecting others to care about it is encouraged and accepted, and anyone who doesn't immediately give sympathy and validation is shamed and attacked
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:31 PM
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I'm not tall and attractive like you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:14 PM
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It means anything a man does or says that women don't like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:36 PM
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Relatable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:35 PM
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I have the opposite problem, I think. I'm a lot more outgoing and social now that I'm medicated for anxiety, but I'm short with a puffy face, noodle arms despite working out, and my hair is receding/thinning
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:34 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:29 PM
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This has been my exp as well
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:28 PM
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Now that I've given up on dating and seen how much social power they have (and how they abuse it without repercussions) I don't have interest in talking to most women. In fact I have reason to avoid talking to women, at least alone. Especially in the workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:26 PM
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Not sure if you saw my comment the other day on here, but I was also on a plane recently and two college age girls were complaining about being "forced" to be in situationships because they couldn't find men who were hot enough and wanting commitment Teehee indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:47 AM
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Women seem to love fat men if they are also very tall
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 07:18 PM
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Lol true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:11 PM
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Hilarious that she thinks women can't be coomers Also imagine if a man was physically touching a little girl he didn't know while wearing clothing that made his underwear visible
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:09 PM
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I have flat feet too. Buy shoes from companies that specialize in orthopedics. Helped me a ton
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:02 PM
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Shocker
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 05:36 PM
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That's true. The amount I see that term used online and even in real life has skyrocketed recently I was on a plane yesterday and two probably college age girls were talking super loudly about how they hate the situationships they're in but can't find any guys who are attractive enough who also want commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:55 PM
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Yes polygyny is the future but it's also the present. It just doesn't get talked about because the left (who controls the mainstream media including social media) censors anything that makes women look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:04 PM
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That's me! Once women went from verbally insulting me during rejection to physically assaulting me, I finally got the message. I'm now not putting any effort into dating and instead pursuing my hobbies and trying to further my health and my career. I do feel happier, or at least received. It's a good feeling!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:02 PM
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Yes. They feel entitled to attention from the men they aren't attracted to. That and they want to be able to cry victim when unattractive men approach them so their friends will give them validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:59 PM
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Women vehemently deny it any time a man says it (and shame and insult him of course) and yet they're making groups on their own to get proof of the very thing they deny. And they're finding it!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:49 PM
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I don't know if it's that they're tall and good looking, It is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:44 PM
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This exactly. I would guess the late 20s and above women are doing it knowingly and the younger ones unknowingly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:35 PM
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Preach!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:55 PM
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I suppose they'd have to test that by telling the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:04 PM
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Yeah how dare men take women at their word
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:49 PM
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I hated university for similar reasons. Socially stunted and anxious all the time, rarely went anywhere or to any events, and whenever I did go out I was always excluded for my looks and my social skills. Plus I had other things going on in my life that were very stressful to the point where I dropped out instead of graduating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:48 PM
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She's a woman, the rules don't apply unless she does something really egregious
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:04 PM
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I didn't overcome it, because I haven't been able to date since my first relationship ended the summer before high school started. Eventually the resentment I had for the taller better looking guys I was friends with just hit a peak and there was nothing to do but try to get over it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:26 PM
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This kind of sentiment is very popular right now especially online and the mainstream media encourages and supports it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:22 PM
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Pretty much all women do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:53 PM
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Uh no, being rich and/or famous is not at all a prerequisite for getting cancelled
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:33 PM
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Yeah it seems that way. When I was still trying to date there were never any ups, only downs. Now that I'm solely focusing on me, I've made some identifiable progress and it feels good
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 03:04 AM
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Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:46 PM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:44 PM
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I've heard that Hispanic men are also leaning more right then ever before
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:46 PM
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They do, loudly and proudly. My belief is that most men in relationships are aware that the Dems hate them but they feel like they can't do anything about it because if they bring it up their girl will leave them (and probably use social media to ruin his reputation)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:45 PM
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Mhm
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:04 PM
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Says the woman with a height requirement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:33 AM
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Funny how hard everyone hamsters to excuse behavior like this from women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:33 AM
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This is why I don't talk to women more than I need to, which thankfully isn't much. Before I gave up on dating they made it crystal clear how they viewed me because of my height
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:32 AM
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A lot of the men who are lower on the totem pole for women/society don't go out much or meet new people often It's learned behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:28 AM
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I'll probably be one in a few years!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:25 AM
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This is kinda how I feel too. I'm working on self improvement (treating my anxiety, working out, furthering my career) but not for women, for myself. Historically I have had very low self esteem and this stuff I'm doing is helping. I am still resentful of women but I'll worry about that later. Or maybe I won't!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:23 AM
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Surprised the mods didn't remove the Vogue one rbh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:21 AM
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I avoid it for this reason and others. Tiktok is the only social media that genuinely scares me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:15 AM
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The funny thing is, all these women who die on the hill of "It's the lie that bothers me, not the height" would be pleasantly surprised if you said you were 5'6 and showed up 5'9+
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:11 AM
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5'9 is average or at worst slightly below, and most women consider average height to be short
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:07 AM
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Agree with all of this. It's okay to say bad stuff about men. Especially short men!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:37 PM
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Says the person who can get sex whenever she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 12:07 PM
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Same here!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:25 AM
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Could the women who wrote love letters to Richard Ramirez and Ted Bundy not smell the evil off them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:23 AM
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For men that is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:20 AM
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You might want to screenshot it too. You just know the mods will find an excuse to remove it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:30 PM
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You're probably right!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:22 PM
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Hey I'm also 5'7 with a baby face and not great facial hair. Plus narrowish shoulders and very thin wrists/forearms. They really are (seemingly) some of the worst qualities when it comes to attracting women!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:12 PM
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Actually yes I do believe that it's never my fault when a woman chooses to assault me unprovoked. Call me crazy I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:22 PM
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Interesting that you assume they weren't. Always the man's fault hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:24 AM
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Me too! Well not middle school but high school definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:01 AM
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Noticed you didn't mention being short
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:28 AM
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It's common enough that it happened to me two times, out of not a huge number of attempts. That, coupled with what I've gathered about how much looks matter to women and how women treat men that express interest while not being conventionally attractive, makes it not worth it for me at least to be the initiator. If a woman makes the first move on me I will consider it, but I don't realistically expect that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:17 PM
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First one: I tried to engage in conversation with a woman standing at the bar. When she turned around and saw her heels made her taller than me, she laughed and asked when my parents were coming to pick me up and poured her drink on my head. Second one: Different bar. The woman actually approached me, to tell me that she could have sworn there was a rule against ugly guys coming in. Then she put her leg behind mine and pushed me so that I tripped over it and fell down
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:46 AM
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Same here, I also had a whole string of very cruel and very public rejections from women. Some of which indeed involved physical assault. Eventually I got the message and just stopped trying!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:29 AM
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All of the biggest preferences women have for men are things men can't control
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:41 PM
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You're my people then. I'm 5'7
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:27 PM
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How tall are you Keeby?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:11 PM
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I think what's really happening is a lot of men actually have quit the dating market, but it takes a quite a while for them to get to that point. Therefore the quitting point is probably around mid to late 20s for most men. The younger generation of men, the ones who aren't the good looking guys that most women want, haven't quite been beaten down enough to give up yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:11 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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