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Believe what you like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:45 AM
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No, there’s no source for it because it doesn’t happen that often. That’s the whole point. Personal experience? Out of the few I’ve rejected, a few got nasty af, and one threw something at me 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:00 AM
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I think it’s just more to the point that women, if averaged out, do take rejection worse regularly. They’re also a lot more liberal with assault since it’s not seen as assault. It’s all a thought experiment. 1 in 4 women could literally try to murder someone every time they get rejected. No one would care anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:13 PM
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I don’t think men are going on “murderous rampages” or we’d be hearing a lot more about it. Y’know, considering how often we actually get rejected. Side note: “Ligma” balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:09 PM
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Given how freely women like to swing on you, throw drinks, etc. it’s not exactly a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:08 PM
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If the rate of women getting rejected were equal to the number of men, would that change?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:35 PM
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I think the crux of the argument for most people is how unrealistic it is to act as if gender doesn’t exist. The picture you’ve painted is a sci-fi ideal with untold numbers of implications. I think either of those futures are very alien. So obviously, I wouldn’t be happy and comfortable in either one. I think the people that would are probably on some sort of medication or just not thinking about all the negatives. Maybe after a thousand years of slowly moving that direction. But not being drop…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:38 AM
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I don’t think any hookup I’ve ever had has put me under that much analytical scrutiny lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:34 PM
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I wish that were the case
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:34 PM
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Do you think the idea of “breadwinner” being anyone other than the man was on anyone’s mind when the concept of alimony was invented?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:32 PM
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Maybe if you die. Otherwise, if you split, it was always meant to protect women, since when most of the laws around marriage were established, women couldn’t fend for themselves effectively. Also why alimony exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:57 PM
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>We have them! Most people are doing research into them. That part.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:55 PM
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The laws around marriage were established and refined to protect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:53 PM
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That doesn’t change the circumstance we try to avoid. Being fun and friendly also doesn’t make you not a predator. I’d argue most predatory men have some level of charm and charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:35 PM
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Feel free to name some. It doesn’t really matter what you’re actually doing. It’s the perception of looking like a predator that most men want to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:15 PM
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I don’t like alcohol. You know how people view a sober guy looking to meet drunk women? I don’t think I need to elaborate. We need more 3rd spaces outside of the party scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:55 PM
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I just don’t see what a marriage offers that a boyfriend/girlfriend long term relationship doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:48 PM
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Okay? Idk who says TRP isn’t a conservative view when you take it past being a tool on how to conduct yourself, and start using it as a guide to live your life. There’s no argument against wanting a traditional partner being a conservative view. That doesn’t necessarily make you a conservative in every aspect of life though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:20 AM
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I’d choose duplication (think Kate from invincible). You could pretty much do anything you want at that point. I think I’m already pretty enough to sleep with most women that I want if I have the added advantage of unlimited money 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:30 AM
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Imagine thinking that being objectified for your money (a literal object, material, and disconnected from you) isn’t a false equivalence. I bet the ladies here really enjoy that “gotcha” huh? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:03 AM
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I don’t think the point was really arguing against the reality of the stats. I think the point was more that immediately punishing men for speaking out is going to lead to a whole lot more “Oh, it came out of nowhere” “One day he just snapped” y’know? I for one, will NEVER be admitting my feelings to or asking help from anyone, whether I need it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:26 PM
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Commenting for later because I think this will be interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:00 PM
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This is just gender war rage bait. This premise doesn’t even make sense. We’re not even allowed “male spaces” without women sticking their noses in it or trying to shut it down lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:12 PM
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Age is an inevitable thing. It comes for everyone last one of us. My mom told me she never would’ve dated a bald guy. Guess what? My dad went bald. They were married for 40 years and died within 2 years of one another. My wife that gains some extra weight gets more leeway than the women I’m dating because I’m not dating chubby women. The same strictness doesn’t apply to someone you love already. To answer this question that I still do not understand the importance of, I would not care how my wif…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:03 AM
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I’m not sure you’re understanding. So I’ll reframe. You’re turning this into a men vs women thing when it’s really not. That stuff (pretty much everything discussed in this entire sub) is for everyone still in the dating market and under 40. After you’re married and building a life, you’ve graduated from all the gender wars bs. “Women expire at 35” or whatever doesn’t apply to the wife you love and have built a life with. It applies to the women you’re seeking to start a relationship with. Stran…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:40 AM
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If whenever I’m a hunched over deaf old man, she remembers me as the tall strong man she married, I’m perfectly happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:23 AM
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It’s not really a voluntary thing. Besides, what would be the point? None of us are going to be conventionally attractive at 80 anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:33 AM
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Big agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:30 PM
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Age isn’t generally the problem. It’s the “letting yourself go” that’s the problem. But yes, to a degree, if you were a smoke show at 20, that image does kinda stay in our heads. And it can carry the attraction a lot further than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:11 PM
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I still think lying is worse. I just feel like women don’t know when it’s a lie as often as they think. There are a lot of times I’ve gone all in with trying to date a girl, out of left field she hits me with a neon red flag, and I nope right out of there. The effort was genuine though. I wasn’t lying at the time. Another example is that I’ve seen women complain of “love bombing”, and tbh some guys really do just feel that way that fast. It’s not always a manipulation tactic. I’d even say genuin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:48 AM
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Yup, there’s no good way to handle it. Best we can do is educate and arm up our women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:39 AM
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So what happens if after months of trying, you finally make it official, have sex, and are like “wow this is trash. I changed my mind.” And leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:35 AM
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I don’t remember if he impersonated specific people (he might’ve) but I’m almost positive he lied about professions that could lead to sex. How I met your mother went on for a while lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:33 AM
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Well yeah. When the state is after you with limitless resources, “innocent until proven guilty” and the burden of proof lying with the prosecution are the only advantages we’ve got. But it does make sexual assault/rape cases particularly difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:31 AM
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Huh, interesting. So Barney Stinson is a hardcore felon
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:27 AM
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What do you mean? You’re just frugal, with a peak athletic form.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:15 AM
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To what degree is it considered a felony? Like if you have “Long term relationships only” on your dating profile, sleep with a girl that’s under the impression you’re looking for long term, and ghost her, is that felony? I’m just unclear how that law is enforceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:09 AM
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Off topic. How is lying to get sex a felony? Like, how do you even prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:45 AM
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Paying for sex is perfectly moral imo. I think legalizing brothels and services in that area would honestly be a net positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:06 AM
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It's because most men don't want to lie to get laid. It's a lot of effort and doesn't feel particularly good to do. The truth of “I just want company for the night” just doesn't yield results. Money is an honest exchange, with no reason for dishonesty. So you get a genuine person man with no pressure to put on an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:05 AM
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That’s how it always is. Dating as a 30 year old man is, and always has been, easier than dating as a 21 year old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:31 PM
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Not if you’re Henry Cavil.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:28 PM
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It is. And the fact is, you REALLY wanna be a victim when every statistic outside of birth shows being a man is worse. Everyone’s life can be hard. Most women do not have it harder than most men. And a great many women have advantages no man will ever have. It is what it is. And there’s no point wasting energy over it anymore. I’m past my capacity. Believe what you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:59 AM
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Ah yes. The philosophy that encourages traditional roles like providing for and protecting your woman is so oppressive 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:41 AM
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What’s that they say? Privilege is invisible to those that have it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:06 AM
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We’re not talking about the past. You weren’t there and neither was I. You don’t even know or acknowledge that young boys get trafficked too. Again, more care goes towards women. Not being subject to the draft, while still having a voice in the voting that has a hand in deciding whether to send us to war or not is a major privilege. How many women get put in jail or wages garnished? I literally had a whole thread (I think in this sub) of women trying to convince me that any unplanned pregnancy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:23 AM
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This is a good example of cherry picking your stats. But you already know if we brought up murder rates, workplace fatalities, etc. it would counter your argument entirely. You had to pick a stat that is entirely exclusive to women because any real 1:1 comparison falls flat. This is an odd hill to die on anyway when know western society treats women better on almost every metric, and at the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter because it isn’t changing. This is quite literally the best time …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:13 AM
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Aside from the fact large scale uprisings don’t typically come from women, what possible gender exclusive reason would women have to rise up? Pretty much all of our problems(at least in the U.S.) are class based. Not gender based.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:23 PM
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Well that, and women’s’ list of “chores” are way longer than men’s. If it’s not essential, it’s usually not worth the effort. There’s also the difference in method.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:37 AM
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That’s not true. Sorry. They may not want a “sole provider”. But they want a bread winner that makes their life convenient enough to do whatever they want. Which is more or less the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:12 AM
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What if my definition of a “teammate” is someone that keeps my life organized while I’m working because I simply lack the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:10 AM
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Most of these men are also lonely in general and have no male friends. They’re soft.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:09 PM
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Commenting for later. Because I’m sure this’ll have plenty of intelligent and well thought out points.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:53 PM
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It’s not about an ego boost. It’s an innate desire we have as humans, and social animals. Women deal with the exact same thing. They’re just usually not the ones starving for validation. Women complain all the time “just because I can get sex, doesn’t mean it feels good to be used”. The flip side is the similar. Just because you can pay to use a woman for sex, doesn’t mean it’s particularly fulfilling. It has its advantages. But it’s not a replacement for genuine validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:15 AM
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That’s why the 80% of TRP that people like to forget about and ignore is all about self improvement, and gaining wealth, status, strength, and/or respect. It ups your odds of a woman that matches you. In reality red pillers blame men almost more than women for their own woes, because it’s really never been easier to compete. Even though women’s standards have gotten stupid, our actual peers have just given up in such massive numbers, all you have to do to be the better option relatively speaking…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:05 AM
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Who said I hate women? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:07 PM
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I mean, I blame women. Idk if it’s blame or credit though. I don’t my character.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:50 AM
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Because we as men put next to no stock in the social standing of women as long as they’re good to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:26 AM
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Those types of people are necessary for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:30 PM
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There’s a big difference between being kind to women and being a simp with no self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:11 PM
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Not a lot. But I don’t really make it a point to use the phrase “bare minimum” to describe people either. You’re just either adding to my life or making it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:13 PM
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No. Y’all don’t know or appreciate the “basics”. If you did, you’d respond accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:08 AM
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I want to know what a man could do that you’d consider more than bare minimum. Something that if he made a post here or somewhere “I’m doing these things. What else could I possibly be doing to improve, and get a girlfriend?” or “My wife left me even though I do xyz. What happened?”, wouldn’t be met with a comment section full of women saying “That’s the bare minimum. You’re not entitled to anything for doing the bare minimum.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:06 AM
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They don’t ask because you’ve already validated him lol. They assume he already met all the criteria. I know plenty of emotionally intelligent guys that are miserable and perpetually single because most women won’t value or match that. Y’all love EQ until you actually get a guy that has it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:13 AM
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Not what I asked. What’s extra then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:38 AM
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Yeah, from what I hear, these are all “bare minimum” traits any basic guy would have. At least according to the women in the comments from the last guy I saw posting “what am I doing wrong?” And listing almost all those exact things he said he was doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:31 AM
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Yeah, by the definitions listed to me before, these are all “bare minimum”. What else ya got?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:29 AM
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Name something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:29 AM
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Here we go with the “bare minimum” again. What’s even extra to y’all? What could any man do to exceed expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:03 AM
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Going through the effort of being “performative” is the point of showing someone gives a fuck. First impressions matter. Almost none of the positive qualities you listed can be demonstrated at will on a date. Especially not a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:44 AM
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We call it the “Remington retirement plan” 👌
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 04:36 PM
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That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:47 PM
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Well my biggest problem was being too invested too early. I always wanted to skip the “talking” stage and request exclusivity. I got excited and went all in every time I liked someone. Apparently, women didn’t like that. Although, idk if you could really share in the experience of the sheer number of rejections I’ve experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:00 PM
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I don’t even know where to start. Having been heart broken, strung along, rejected, and ghosted as many times as I have in my life, understanding how and why it happened, then seeing what actually worked for me when I started succeeding more in dating, just formed a picture of the way the world really is. It’s hard to sum up a decade of failures and observations in a handy paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:32 PM
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Lol dealing with women and general life experience turned me RP. But the label came a fair bit later.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:00 AM
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Bait used to be believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:36 AM
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Then it’s not a feminist issue. It’s a workers rights issue. Feminism=getting women the same rights as men because it’s assumed women have less of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:16 AM
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I have asked. And all I hear are things like that. And it tracks that the parent that has the kids is going to make less. The people who work less hours will make less. And I’ve never heard of a country solving a problem like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:48 PM
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Okay. And which of those things do men at large have, that women at large want?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:29 PM
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Well you’re a woman. Why don’t you give me a few things?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:18 PM
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I would if anyone would tell me what legal rights I have that my female counterparts don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:12 PM
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You’re right. “Reality always wins”. That’s why there’s never been long lived eras of “soft men” in all of human history. Women won’t pick them in general. They won’t pass those values onto their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:24 PM
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You’re never going to make headway just because men are whining. Women don’t care. They will never care. This is actually going to have the opposite affect that you want. All hearing it will do is make them less tolerant to men opening up. Last thing you wanna do when there is a designated group of “whiny men” is speak up and become associated with them. That’s how “incels” started. Now there are legitimately men and teens ashamed that they haven’t had sex yet because they get lumped in with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:02 PM
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Male friends aren’t typically doing that to each other about actual serious/bothersome topics. Not every person is going to validate your feelings, nor should they be expected to. There’s a large difference between being open and honest, and being a crybaby. The difference usually being frequency and severity of the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 12:56 PM
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You only hear the narrative that “men aren’t natural protectors” within the last century now that life has become peaceful and convenient. Just fuck the last 300k years, right? This modern line of thinking is silly. But yeah, no shit, we do most things for something in return. Many a men have stepped in to protect a woman and gotten beaten or killed over it. It’s a tale as old as time. You shouldn’t be putting yourself on the line for people you don’t care about. And you shouldn’t care excessive…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:54 PM
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Bruh, you asked “would I consider” as in, my opinion. I’m fully aware of legal definitions. You don’t have to convince me of facts. But that’s not what you asked me. It’s the same as all robbery being counted as violent crime. But if you and I use a little critical thought, we know there’s a difference between getting jumped and mugged, and getting your bike stolen while you’re not around. There’s a distinct difference between one person threatening you with violence or punishment, and society h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:38 PM
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I’d call it coercion more than “violence” but whatevs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:38 AM
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Me? Nothing. You’re still posing the question as if it’s societal. I’m not going to do anything about it, and couldn’t even if I wanted to. I wouldn’t be one to participate in essentially owning my wife because that’s just me, and I don’t care for less than enthusiastic sex. But I can’t stop anyone else from doing it. Besides that, if I’m just dropped into this parallel world knowing what I know now, I can say for sure they wouldn’t be helping me if the roles were reversed. Gotta fight your own …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:54 PM
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It certainly can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:09 PM
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Well you didn’t say women weren’t allowed to work like it’s 100 years ago. Is that what we’re going with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:08 PM
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Because I’m vehemently against legislating how people live their lives in their own homes. But in this scenario, no one is beating their wives. If no one is imposing these rules through violence, the women are going along with it. I don’t have a dog in that fight. So I’m not messing with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:13 PM
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Depends what you mean by “free”. Is this society kept in line by societal expectations and shaming, or government legislation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:43 PM
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My bad. I forgot, y’all aren’t generally picking the type of guy that has months or years long dry spells to break.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:53 PM
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Well firstly, you get my unfiltered thoughts here. Obviously, we don’t talk to the women this way. I’d wager MOST people in general wouldn’t find you, me, or anyone else attractive if our unfiltered thoughts and opinions were stated aloud all the time. Secondly, I’m 6’2” and pretty. I get away with a lot more than I should.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:10 PM
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Except that most men definitely do want relationships. And they have to jump through way more hoops to make it happen. Even the ones playing the “numbers game”. Most guys aren’t passing a good desirable woman just to stay single. Some are, sure. But I promise that number is way smaller than you’re making it sound. And many that do it, regret it enough not to do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:12 AM
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Ah yes, 10%-15% of women never having an orgasm all, apparently self induced or otherwise. So misogynistic. It must be eeeeeeeveryone else’s fault 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:49 AM
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Imagine spending the time and money ($100 lol cute) and when you get to the bedroom, and get her clothes off, you get hit with a smell that makes you gag.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:57 AM
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Well now we’re not talking about just sex anymore. We’re talking about good or bad sex. If you want my opinion on the orgasm gap, you can check my other comments. But do you not realize sex can be disappointing for men too? Like, just because we want it more, doesn’t mean women are just perfect, and all we’re looking for is a warm hole to fuck. MOST of y’all are incredibly disappointing in bed. Just because we usually nut, and aren’t critical of you, doesn’t mean the experience was awesome. Keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:18 AM
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See, now you’re trying to have it both ways. If you were extremely horny, you’d have done something about it, unless you’re just that unattractive. But you didn’t. So you weren’t. At least not at anywhere near the level of a man. All that aside, if you have made the decision, and are HAVING the sex, you have deemed this partner worthy of your affection, and are reaping the rewards of it. I’d doesn’t matter how many guys you wouldn’t pick, if you picked this one and are in the act with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:32 AM
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You’re talking about relationships, that likely weren’t that compatible to begin with. We’re talking about dating and hooking up, which is whole different environment. If you’re the one delivering this man from a months or years long dry spell, I would bet my life savings, he ain’t gonna be picky. And to head this off, if the “orgasm gap” then only applies to long term relationships where a partner gets lazy, then it isn’t relevant in the general dating/hookup conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:30 AM
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Yet make a claim about how women can’t understand why or how much men want sex, they hit you with “women desire sex just as much as men. Stop shaming our sexuality”. I’m going off that assumption as being the consensus. Am I wrong? Are we back to women being the self controlled sex valued for their purity? Which lane am I arguing in?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:26 AM
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Doesn’t matter. Like I said, you can get a dude to do whatever you want most of the time. It’s your responsibility to learn how your own body works and convey that info. And let’s not act like we’ve been anything close to too puritanical of a culture for anyone our age to not have access to that information or experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:59 PM
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I mean, I speak for all the ones I know, of which I know many lol. Most of them I know just think it’s a waste of money. The amount of times I’ve head “I’ll make a better steak than that at home for half the price” is unfathomable. But feel free to poll your hundreds of male friends for an equivalent result. On top of that, MOST people I know in our 20’s-30’s age group don’t like going out to eat just because it’s not worth the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:51 PM
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I stand on the hill that the orgasm gap is women’s own fault most of the time. No woman I’ve ever been with that actively communicated what she liked and was an active participant ever failed to orgasm or come back for more. The pillow princess that want to be serviced, while providing no guidance or communication are the ones that seem to enjoy themselves less. As far as what I’ve heard talking to guys in their experience, that’s more or less the same story. Women say men are selfish lovers, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:29 PM
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Literally the only time I’ve ever bothered to eat out are friends’ birthdays or weddings and dates. So that should probably tell you the “like” to “worth the effort and money” ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:22 PM
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Well from a purely objective pov, it’s because money requires sacrifice. It’s effort and hours of your life, doing something you don’t want to do, somewhere you don’t want to be. And if you’re like me, I always hated the process of dating. I hate using my one day off to meet a stranger that may or may not like me (likely not) just so I can pay for the privilege of feeding them or whatever. Sex is literally just two people being intimate with one another. It requires literally nothing but willing…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:17 PM
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I homeschooled; and although I believe I turned out better for it, my social skills took a hit. I went to work blue collar when I was 18. I was awkward as fuck around all these shit talking older guys. After a couple of years though, I generally figured out how to fit in. The knock on effect was learning to kind of fake it in any social situation. You're forced to work with a wide variety of people in jobs like that. It's not like a desk job where you can keep to yourself and do your work. Socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:30 PM
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Yes and no. Definitely not on it’s own. Charismatic, funny or relaxed, mixed with disinterest 100% works. No one falls for you faster than the women you have absolutely zero interest in, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:03 AM
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Well now that’s just a bold faced lie. And you know it. Or you should know it. Visit literally any “dead bedroom” sub. Talk to your older coworkers. People lose or lack interest for several reasons. It very seriously feels like I’m talking to someone with very little life/relationship experience right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:05 AM
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Well when I said “sex only stops when you lose interest” I meant permanently/regularly. You’re the one that countered with temporary excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:57 AM
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Key word “temporary”. You’re conflating a circumstantial change with literal loss or lack of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:50 AM
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I call bs. Women on pregnancy hormones are horn dogs all the way into the third trimester. I’m not going to bother with anecdotes. It’s just a circular argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:42 AM
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Debate point 1: The difference between a best friend and a lover is sex. Sex is important. You act as if the sex stopping is inevitable. Meanwhile STD’s are most rampant in nursing homes. Sex only stops when you lose interest, barring a disaster. Sex isn’t the primary purpose of a relationship the same what a bathroom isn’t the primary purpose of owning a house. But if I came and ripped the toilet out of your floor one day, you’d be pretty pissed about it. Debate point 2: You’re making the assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:21 AM
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Those are things you enjoy independent of each other. You don’t need him to enjoy your own mushrooms. He doesn’t need to enjoy his own games. Unless you’re saying he can get blowjobs elsewhere, try a different analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:25 PM
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I’d need an example. If you crossed that boundary for an ex, I’d want a good reason why I’m barred from that treatment. And well me for one. But in the predominantly male field of construction, it’s a more common complaint than you’d think. I don’t think any of my female friends shower every day either. Only exceptions are the ones that work outside. But people at large are nasty. Don’t you remember listening to “how to wash your hands” on the news and stuff at the start of Covid, and finding ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:19 PM
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Boundaries like what? You know how many guys I know that don’t go down on their girl as much as they would if she showered every day rather than 2-3 days a week? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:10 PM
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That’s not an incorrect assumption. It might be an incorrect assumption. It’s certainly a signal that’s worth noticing. An example I’ve heard is that some women won’t give BJ’s but they did with their ex. The fact is, if you like your partner, you’re going to try to make them feel happy and satisfied. I know I do. Every partner I have, has. If you don’t have that desire, you probably don’t like your partner that much. If she’s not even trying, just flat out says “no”, that’s a sign she isn’t int…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:41 PM
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You’re fundamentally missing the point from the first paragraph. You’re seeing it as “the woman owes the man” when the point of telling men this is “If she did all these things with exes, but she won’t even try for you, she’s not that into you.” That’s not said so that men can hold it over women’s head like they deserve it. It’s said so that men have an idea of where they stand in the relationship, how much she wants him, and if he should commit to that woman. You’re free to be as reserved in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:14 PM
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Correct. That’s why we know how they really are. No need to put up a front.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:56 AM
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Lol you’re ignoring the male experience of having mostly male friends, seeing a lot of really good guys being perpetually single, while the shit heads get laid. Keep in mind, I’m not calling them shit heads because I have anything against them personally. They’ve never done wrong by me. But they absolutely do date and fuck indiscriminately, usually successfully. That’s why men don’t take women at their word. We see what works and what doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 10:47 PM
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I was gonna respond. But pretty much this. Everything about security from a physical sense is going to revolve around physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:45 PM
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Yes, men are capable of casual sex. But if they actually like the girl, who’s usually the one that fucks up the casual arrangement? As for 2, what is actually wrong with you? You have to be trolling not to understand the difference in familial love and romantic love, right? Sometimes your quote is true, as I said. Other times, it couldn’t be more wrong. I can understand how that’s all you would see though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:14 PM
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I mean, everything you said can be true at the same time. It just depends on the woman. Men do bond through sex, so nothing you said on the positive side is wrong. We also only bond with women we like, so nothing on the negative side is wrong either. It’s not a contradiction. They’re just talking about different women. Just depends on how he feels about you. A man in love will truly defy logic in a way your cynical mind wouldn’t believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:31 PM
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It’s all good now. But yeah those early 20’s were rough lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:42 PM
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I’ve been that guy multiple times. Really gave me a self esteem issue about my personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:53 PM
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Maybe so. It’s like any other negative. It slices off a large portion of your options. But if you already had millions of options, taking chunk out of those really doesn’t make a difference. It does make a difference for the average woman though. When you’re not so hot that it overpowers all your other qualities that people would normally weigh in a relationship context, then you start taking more of a hit. I’d also say it matters less if you’re willing to be a step mom. Because single dads are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:08 PM
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Your whole first point is mostly hyperbole around what you think men think and 2000’s conservative rhetoric when they tried to ban violent video games. This has been debunked for about 15 years. People don’t defend the sexual abuse of women. That’s an insane take. At most, people are defending game dev’s rights to put what they want out there and be judged accordingly. You just take this particular subject extra personally because you’re a woman. Not because you know anything about men, psycholo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:07 PM
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Noooooooo, it is directly tied into this convo. We’re talking about imaginary or simulated rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:59 AM
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It’s literally something that is fetishized in CNC. I'm not saying it isn't a horrible thing to do to someone. But the “worst things you can do to someone” is a fairly long list, and don't turn into semi common kinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:53 AM
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I never said anything to defend the men that enjoy that sort of game. Just that whatever games come out should be rated appropriately. You’re free to judge those individuals however you want. I personally, don’t care what people want to get off to, so long as they don’t take it to real life. And doing it in a game isn’t going to make people do it in real life. People that would do it in real life don’t need a game to make them think it’s alright. Murder is not justifiable. That’s why it’s called…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:03 AM
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Most women won’t date a guy that makes less than them. This includes women making six figures or better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:45 PM
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Idk why we ask these questions when hoe math exists. https://youtu.be/TMBGlCclNvE?si=7uwjdaIOOA3S7hUX
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:43 PM
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No. Moral puritans are all about control. Just because THEY don’t like it, it’s not enough that they don’t watch. They don’t want anyone else to indulge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:23 PM
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No. That was conservative propaganda from the 2000’s. Gamers get more aggressive while on the game (shouting, cursing, etc) but are perfectly normal after they step away, if not more calm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:05 PM
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Eh, honestly I don’t know where to stand on it. On the one hand, it’s a game. I don’t believe games should be limited in their content any more than any other medium, so long as they aren’t portraying literally illegal images like CP. Although I do believe they should certainly all be rated “Ao 18+” and not advertised on the front page of steam. I literally saw it with quite graphic imagery on the store front while I was browsing, about a week before the controversy popped off. On the other hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:04 PM
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Show me a single post, video, or anything that isn’t an obvious troll that said what you’re claiming. Specifically due to physical signs of aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 02:51 PM
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“Don’t be fat” is really the only one there the most guys agree on. Not even “thin”. Taking care of yourself isn’t that high a standard in a bubble. Relative to what women want? It’s nothing. Hell, even compared to what women call the “bare minimum”, it’s not asking much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:21 PM
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I would hope I fit her fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:29 PM
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I was gonna reply. But this perfectly encapsulates my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:58 PM
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Lol no. I’m not showing pics to strangers on the internet. You’re allowed to think whatever you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:13 PM
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Sure. Only men are capable of falling for someone they can’t have, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:25 PM
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Because there’s always a “better option” and it’s not a solid position. It’s a stupid thing to regularly chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:32 PM
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Because the most logical thing is to have a partner that treats you right and makes day to day life easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:44 PM
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Opinions from bots don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:51 PM
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Sorry. I didn’t know that you knew me personally 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:51 PM
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What are you talking about? When did I say any of that? And why are you bringing up dads?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:02 PM
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She didn’t mention wanting to be a trad wife. Guys that want one on 60k a year need a reality check as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:35 AM
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As someone who makes 2X the median income and still don’t feel comfortable springing for a house, I can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:24 AM
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It’s not. You just have to be realistic. Realize the average guy isn’t making more than 60k a year, and if they are, a lot of them are saddled with debt. Most guys aren’t making six figures. The outrage tends to come from women having the audacity to make demands when they aren’t offering anything but a bad attitude, and being a 6/10 on a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:23 AM
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This is such a gross misunderstanding, oversimplification, and exaggeration of what TRP is that I’d have to write a whole paragraph just to fix your premise, explain TRP, then explain what’s wrong with it. Just go watch some old Kevin Samules videos and come back with any questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:52 PM
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What do you do and how much do you make? How much does your spouse make?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:40 AM
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Just so I know if we’re on the same page, what country are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:37 AM
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Working in competitive environments makes you more short tempered, irritable, argumentative, etc. Most guys are already like that, and don’t want to have to deal with an s/o acting the exact same way. If we make our own money, we don’t care what our gf/wife does. I’d rather have the house organized and food prepped than another person in the house making 150k a year. Yeah, it’s cool. But in my experience, if she’s at home doing her hobbies or whatever makes her happy, she’s in a better mood than…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:31 AM
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The point is that women are going for top tier guys who tend to fall in that dominant category. But they want to remain dominant themselves. And most women consider dating a guy less dominant, educated, successful, or a mix of those l as dating down. Men consider it par for the course. TRP is just telling men what most women want to maximize their chances with women in general. TRP doesn’t tell women how to get a man. They don’t need help with that. It tells women in general what the top % men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:22 AM
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Let me put it this way. I’m used to being independent. Spent many years alone. I have goals. If my partner’s goals don’t align, then we won’t work. That’s fine. But at the end of the day, I want someone complementary to me. I’m not perfect. I want someone who covers things I’m not particularly good at or have a natural inclination towards. In those subjects, I defer to them, even though I’m pretty obviously the more dominant one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:00 AM
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If you prioritize a career (depending on the career) certain masculine traits excel if you have to compete for positions. Obviously having sex isn’t exclusively masculine. Stop being obtuse and making blanket all or nothing statements, or there’s no point in even having a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:42 AM
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You hit the nail on the head with that last part. No, we don’t want our women to act like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:29 AM
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Maybe. And that’s fine. But most will for the right guy. If you wanna flip it, that’s fine too. The problem comes when a woman that wants to be the boss also wants a man to be the boss and rein her in. That’s a dumb thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:28 AM
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Well it’s subjective. It’s also requires some context. But here’s my personal interpretation. Also, how’s that math work? One dude every two years from 16-30 is only 7 if you’re stretching it, with back to back long term relationships. But anyway, here are my thoughts. If you have a self proclaimed “hoe phase” and rack up a quick body count, you are/were a hoe. If you’ve been in multiple “situationships” you’re a hoe. If you have a tendency to use sex to get dudes to like you or make them stay, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:18 PM
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Literally the only thing “limiting” about what TRP tells women is to not be a hoe. If not being a hoe feels limiting to you, just go do it. Because you’re not gonna be the type of partner a guy wants anyway, if you’re spending your life thinking “Oh I wish I sucked more dicks”. Idk about tattoos. But most women traveling all over the place are getting it financed by a dude or making some poor life choices for longevity. That’s a red flag. Being submissive isn’t constraining if you find a man you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 10:12 PM
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Lol no it isn’t. It’s not illegal. But if you’re ending relationships and breaking people’s hearts on a whim, you’re an enormous asshole. It doesn’t matter if the reason is “I’m just not feeling like you’re “the one”. And I don’t see this going further.” That’s still a reason. But just on a whim? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:34 PM
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Studied in what context? What are the people being shamed for? What result are they trying to get? How were these studies conducted?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:05 PM
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I’ve gotta disagree. It makes you feel better about wherever you’re at. And if intense shame is whatever is causing the negative behavior in the first place, then maybe it balances you out. But shame, if it’s warranted and you know it’s true, can absolutely give you the kick in the ass that you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:05 PM
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Shame is a great tool for keeping society together and setting expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:56 AM
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And what’s the best motivator?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:54 AM
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Lol exactly. Look at sitcoms in the 90’s most of those fat grouchy dads were only supposed to be late 30’s-mid 40’s. Millennials and Gen Z are aging far better imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:57 AM
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I agree. I think people in general tend to equate age with poor upkeep of their body. You hear shit like “you won’t look like that when you’re my age” all the time from older dudes. They genuinely believe they look like shit because they’re 45-50, and not because they drink 5 sodas a day, eat fast food for lunch every day, and snack on candy all day. I mean, I guess it’s a fair assumption. Most people are unhealthy. But if we’re judging by worst case scenarios, a lot of people never have a peak …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:15 AM
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Because all those dealbreakers do is limit your options. And when you meet the right person face to face, a lot of those suddenly become flexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 11:05 PM
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It is the case that men can’t open up. And women are usually the reason we learn early that we’re better off dealing with most things ourselves. You can talk to 1000 men, and I can pretty much guarantee the ones that don’t open up have reasons that have nothing to do with RP. I’m assuming we don’t have much to talk about socially since you don’t know the ins and outs of the U.S. anymore than I know yours. And yes because abuse like that hasn’t ever been “acceptable”. Men didn’t go around braggin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:47 PM
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We don’t do the same jobs in a few very specific fields. That’s why construction workers make stupid money. Because no one wants to do it, and it’s mostly male dominated. Let me amend my statement then. The time slot for men to spend time with their children hasn’t changed. We’re just better parents, because frankly, the silent generation and boomers straight up neglected their kids all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:06 PM
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How did it expand men’s time with their children…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:00 PM
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If I applied as a daycare worker, they’d laugh me out of the building lol. I know “more than a couple” that have been abused, then had the cops called on them by the women that abused them. I’m not talking about exceptions. Fair point. I know nothing about Irish law. They’re still two separate issues. The goal of fighting for women to have equal or better rights than men is still separate from gay marriage, trans activism, etc. It’s just the same people that are activists will advocate for more …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:59 PM
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How exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:55 PM
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Basic logic dictates that it did. I’m not changing my mind. The time slot available is the same. Our dads just came home from work and broadly ignored us until we got old enough to have common interests. Dads I know now play video games with their kids, fly drones, or whatever else. There’s more to do than “play catch” or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:54 PM
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Well no they’re not, as evidenced by the fact men don’t open up. We’re told it’s okay to open up, only for reality to slap us in the face. You must not be from the U.S. because parental leave is lacking for mothers and almost nonexistent for fathers. Our financial security is about the same as it was. It just takes two people to make it. Which doesn’t seem better. I’m not even touching the last point because I don’t even know where it came from that, that sort of behavior was ever acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:44 PM
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Capitalism = supply and demand. When women doubled the supply of working bodies with almost no time for market adjustment, workers lost bartering power, because there were so many people that wanted jobs. Men choose to spend more time with our kids because our dads didn’t. That was a short time in history. It wasn’t a regular thing in human history. And I’m not really sure how feminism assisted in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:40 PM
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What expanded career choices? DV laws are weaponized against men so much that most men wouldn’t dare try to call the police on an abusive woman. I live in the U.S. Women barely get maternity leave. Paternity leave is almost nonexistent. LGBT and feminism are two separate issues even if the people that advocate for them overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:26 PM
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I see how that sounds good on paper. But most people just NEED to be a two income household because the push for women in the workplace doubled the number of wage slaves almost overnight, stagnating the wages. Back to point 1. Men don’t get more time with their children than before. Neither parent gets to be with them. Stay at home dads are still rare and they’re pretty regularly treated as “lesser” by pretty much everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:24 PM
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Kinda off topic. But I’m genuinely curious how feminism has benefited men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:49 PM
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Significantly better. Aside from a few wear and tear injuries, I’d take 30 year old me over 20 year old me any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 08:58 PM
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Only difference between me at 30 and 20 is that now I’ve had time to grow more muscle, and I have a good full beard. My success with women isn’t even comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:15 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:11 PM
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I didn’t physically fill out until I was in my early 20’s. I started having significantly more dating success almost overnight at 25. I’m about to be 30, and am stronger, wiser, and healthier than I was 10 years ago. People start “going downhill” because they don’t take care of themselves. People talk about women’s peak because that’s the peak of fertility. No matter how well you treat your body, fertility is going to drop. As a man, you can use the time between 18 and 35 to fuck up your body or…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:08 PM
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Maybe so. But it doesn’t change the fact a woman will leave once she doesn’t love (or perceive herself to love) you anymore. And losing attraction leads to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 07:30 AM
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Or you just don’t like to go out of your way to meet women. I.E. going to bars even though you don’t drink or clubs even though you don’t dance. Using apps isn’t beta male behavior. Putting a lot of stock in them is though. You can swipe left and right on an app and still approach attractive women if you happen to run into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:45 AM
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Choosing it and feeling it aren’t the same thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:36 AM
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Define “choose it”. Because sure you can treat someone well. It doesn't mean you love them or that you're attracted to them. Raw attraction is generally whats lost in the most innocent cases. That leads to degradation of the relationship down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:35 AM
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Go ask r/askmenover30. The times I've seen the question asked, the story is more or less the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:32 AM
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People don't control their attractions. Fact is, a lot of women will just straight up lose attraction to you when you're showing weakness without a REALLY good reason (death of a parent, sibling, etc.) and even then sometimes they still do. They may feel guilty about it. But it happens. We can't force ourselves to feel love or attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:22 AM
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Following for later
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:11 PM
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Most men have hobbies. It’s just not a solution for dating. So “just get hobbies and be interesting” isn't applicable dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:06 PM
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The question is stupid. The fact you'd even ask that, like distance between 6 years old and adulthood is ANYWHERE near the same as 14-17 to adulthood, just proves your whole argument is fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 07:07 AM
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What is actually wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 06:45 AM
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As if 6 year olds have autonomy and 16 year olds don’t 🙄 You have to be trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:13 AM
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I think it happens more because dating and breakups are just a dime a dozen now. Back before the internet, if you were dating around, you knew the types of people around you. You knew what your options were like. People stuck around long enough to get over whatever petty stuff they would've broken up for nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:33 AM
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If THAT’S what you consider holding a grudge, then I will continue to hold grudges. Not allowing people who hurt you into a position to do it again is just common sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:58 AM
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I understand. And that's fine. It’s just not holding a grudge because someone doesn't wanna do that. That's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:56 AM
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It’s not a grudge to tell someone that rejected you to live with that decision. If I break up with my gf and come back next year like “well I just had to fuck a few other girls to realize how great of a catch you are really are.” Does that mean she’s holding a grudge for not taking my dumb ass back? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:29 PM
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Depends on the woman. Some are easy. Some are 30 minutes of foreplay, and positions that may or may not be all that fun for me. You are correct. It is selfish. I’m not defending the the selfishness of the actions. I’m just stating why that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 05:57 PM
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Tbf, if I figured out I really didn’t like the girl, I’d get mine and go. There are a lot of guys that do. Most of us can get a girl off. But it’s a lot of effort. Effort that we’re more than happy to put in for a woman we like and want to continue our relationship with. Others though… eh, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:09 PM
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Pretty sad that’s probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:39 AM
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Not really lol. Some of it is funny. As are many charismatic and belligerent people. Like Alex Jones’ classic “They’re turning the freakin frogs gay” or “I’m not gonna lie. I’m kinda retarded.” Tristan: “This message comes to us from a female physicis-“ Andrew: “TELL THE THE PHYSICS OF A SANDWICH” Shit’s funny ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:12 AM
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Again, it’s not about watching them. It’s about whether they’re watching for entertainment or actually picking up the values.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:00 AM
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It’s not really about listening to them or liking listening to them. I listen to them because they’re entertaining. But I can discern what’s funny, useful, or bullshit. Teenage boys with no life experience can’t. But like I said, a lot of fathers nowadays are fatherless themselves. So they’ve learned incorrectly or are learning still. Not having that fast track of generational knowledge and wisdom is really hurting us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:37 PM
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Most people want it. But it disproportionately affects men. It’s like most people want sex. But a lack of sex is disproportionately unhealthy for men for example. As for what to do about it, it’s a lack of real male role models. So many families are without fathers to teach them. Now we have this big generational gap where we have fatherless kids or kids being taught by fatherless fathers. I don’t think Andrew Tate or F&F would have blown up if fathers were there to help teen boys discern “Well …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 10:58 PM
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Generally? They need to feel like they can accomplish things. Be the “hero” in literally any small sense. Don’t get it confused. They don’t want fake adoration. They want to be able to do things that are worthy of adoration. It’s just that not all guys are taught how to be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 10:26 PM
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Me either. I’ve been tall and fit my whole life. I look damn near the same as when I was 21, just with more muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:56 PM
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I’m still with the same one I mentioned, so I’m not trying to attract anyone. But yeah, women have certainly made passes at me. Which wasn’t something that happened much before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:46 PM
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Pretty much sums up dating in your late teens-early 20’s lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:43 PM
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Idk. I was that chronically single guy for years. I wasn’t ever given a reason why. I even asked if they’d give me something to improve on. I had no direction. And after I did eventually get into a relationship, I asked if I threw up any red flags that she just ignored, and she told me no. To this day, I do not know why my early 20’s were so rough for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:20 PM
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Because people are different. There’s tons of people who feel the way I felt too. There’s also the fact that a lot of people don’t have much if any family.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:55 AM
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Because no amount of familial love will replace romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:48 AM
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Well that, and you start treating them like you don’t care. It’s ironic and sad that women respond way better when you just act like you don’t give a fuck about them. Turn off those notifications, and check them when it crossed my mind at the end of the day was the best move I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:47 AM
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At a certain point, you start wondering what’s wrong with you because you’re the only common denominator. You start to feel unlovable. It starts to feel like something that’ll never happen for you. Then there’s just the touch starved loneliness. All of that, and the side effects of thinking that way get dispelled pretty fast when someone actually treats you well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:40 AM
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I specified at the end “when the o my thing you’re unhappy with is being lonely” so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:37 AM
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Yeah, and that raises the question of “where is the line?” We’re always fixing and improving. So when are we considered good enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:10 AM
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I mean, I get it. But I was there for a long time. Getting a gf immediately fixed most of my emotional issues lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:09 AM
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I mean, sure? What does that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:08 AM
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Yeah, that’s a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:58 AM
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Fr. I’m my worst self when I’m not regularly getting laid, cuddled, and generally touched 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:12 AM
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It’s always been kinda odd to me how people say “Fix yourself before finding someone else” when the only thing you’re unhappy with is being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:37 AM
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Make yourself a post then asking how often men get treated to anything for free out of nowhere. See how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:36 AM
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I mean, none of them are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:57 PM
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Maybe you’re just not doing it right then. Because pretty much all of my female friends have stories of guys just doing shit for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:21 PM
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Maybe you’re just ugly, idk. Not all of the female friends take advantage of men. But pretty much all of them have had the option.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:19 PM
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Maybe not if you’re ugly. But you sure don’t get it from being born with a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:16 PM
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Well, I can’t remember the last time anyone was compelled to give me money, things, or jobs just because I exist and they want to be around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:20 PM
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Idk why people are hating. You didn’t say anything inherently wrong. People are just attributing TRP to incels alone. You would think people would advocate for men learning women’s bodies better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:29 PM
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Yup. Frame it however nicely you like, but you’ll still get rejected even if the woman had intentions on sleeping with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:39 PM
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Because you’ll go for a low success rate to zero lol. If women didn’t insist on playing the game, men wouldn’t do it. I promise you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:49 AM
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Pro tip, women actually run away when you put that you're actively looking for a relationship. I ALWAYS had my stuff set to casual dating and open to more because that's what women respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:14 AM
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Yes. But that’s not necessarily the “friend zone” either. There’s a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:21 PM
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I didn’t even realize I was in an abusive relationship until years later, because people in general hesitate to call out abuse when it’s a 100lbs woman and a 200lbs man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:05 AM
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It’s absolute insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:34 PM
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It also amplifies women’s negative response when they get rejected by men who will “fuck anything”. Everyone talks about how men will say vile shit to you for rejecting them. No one wants to talk about how girls that think they’re hot will throw drinks, slander, or swing on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:46 PM
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I mean, I’ve been there lol. I’m still thrown every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:51 AM
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Possibly. Possibly not. I’ve dated women that mostly only did what I describe, plus a little extra hair care. What else do you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 02:29 AM
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I think it’s more the fact that most women are more willing to put effort into those things than the things that actually matter. Like, a girl can have a comprehensive skin care routine and basically be an artist with makeup. If she’s big and out of shape, she still gets beat the bare faced girl with a good diet that goes to the gym 3 times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 02:21 AM
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Pretty much
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:17 PM
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Turned off? No. Skeptical? Yes. The only reason it seems that way because the only women that tend to approach men directly, aren’t very attractive. When a 9/10 initiates with us, our first thought is “Oh, I guess she’s being nice.” If the guy has low self esteem, he just keeps thinking that. But never in the instances that I’ve been approached have I thought “Nah, too easy”. That’s just asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:22 PM
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Men don’t want to START relationships with 40 year olds. If you take care of yourself and are generally nice, you’ll probably be fine because guys don’t necessarily want to throw away a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:33 AM
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He’s right. Realistically, men live to serve. It’s odd because we like to be in charge, but simultaneously, we generally want a family or at least a partner to do things for. Without that, there’s not much that interests most guys. You can say “go find a hobby” or whatever all you like. But at the end of the day, those are just things to occupy time unless we have a passion for it. It isn’t the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:02 AM
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Eh, kinda. Not really. Being able to be friends with women by no means, is any indication that you can pull. However, if you don’t know how to socialize with women or be friends with them, that is probably gonna be a point against you. If you just actively choose not to have female friends, I suppose that would be the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:21 AM
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I’d donate pics to the cause just for the reaction. I’ve been told I look like Chris Hemsworth. But I still never got floods of matches on any site.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:25 PM
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I want to hear the male POV experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:34 PM
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For the woman, probably being physically attractive (depending on how neurodivergent you are), and for the man’s side, probably being neurotypical. You can be hot. But if you’re scared of women and socializing in general, you’re not gonna get very far.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:46 AM
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The 28% figure also included those who haven’t had sex in the last 6 months (or year, I can’t remember which), which isn’t really any healthier. Plus men going without sex and women going without sex are usually for wholly different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:16 PM
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How are you this hard headed to the point? It’s not about getting pussy. It’s about not being able to have a companion and a family. Women’s standards aren’t the whole issue. But when you stack it on top of an oppressive economy, and no good prospects, that’s a bad combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:22 PM
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Ah, but people care about extremists, school shooters, etc. It’s not about just “fucking”. It’s about the fact that if you feel there’s no hope for happiness in the future (which a relationship is to a lot of guys) that causes issues. In another decade, when it’s a 60/40 minority, and the one after that where it’s a 50/50, you’ll see what I’m talking about. That 18-30 demographic is historically the one that fights wars, causes uprisings, and commits the worst atrocities humanity can muster. Foo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:53 PM
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Probably a fair theory lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:35 PM
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If you don’t want to look at the writing on the wall, I guess I can’t make you. But anytime you want to ask “what’s wrong with society?” Just remember that a large, and increasing chunk of the most influential demographic are doing worse in every way, a little more every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:31 PM
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As a whole, and at all age groups, sure. Under 30, it’s more like a 70/30 split. 30% of young men is a minority, sure. But by no means is that number insignificant. There’s also no telling how many in the 70% are actually getting it regularly enough for it to make a difference. And that ratio is steadily getting worse, not better. Especially considering I see and know people that there’s nothing wrong with physically, going months or years between partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:32 PM
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The problem here is that way more men find women attractive than the other way around. Plus there are more factors to what women consider “attractive”, and the gap between the barrier for entry, and their ideal man. Another whole separate issue is that women care more about things you simply can’t change. A lot of men will date a women with a “meh” face if she has a really good body. Women usually won’t. Men have a height preference. But it’s usually that you’re average and not extremely short o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:58 PM
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Shame is just the natural reaction to discourage bad behavior in the future. If not for you, then those around you. You can argue the effectiveness. But not the fact that it’s the reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 05:22 PM
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If you’re talking about cultures that align with one or the other, without being aware of “pills”, probably redpill. If you look at Asia, the Middle East, and most non westernized countries, they would be considered more socially conservative. As far as the west goes, you have to ask “which red pill?”. Classical like Kevin Samuels or New like F&F. They’re not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:50 PM
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Big no-go for me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 09:07 PM
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I guess it depends if you enjoy it. And if the animals end up better off for it, does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:43 PM
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Creepy just means unattractive. Ngl, I cringe at the way I acted when I was younger and didn't know any better. Social skills and awareness were pretty much nonexistent. But I got away with it, or was gently corrected because I was 6’2” and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 03:34 PM
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Tbf, I’m all of those, and was single for 7 years (not by choice) simply because I work 5 or 6 days a week. Women pass you up super quickly for seemingly no reason. Age is one of those arbitrary things that makes a huge difference. I hit 25 and my dating prospects multiplied 5X overnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:51 PM
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That plastic surgery can def give uncanny valley vibes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:54 PM
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Well that’s simply not true. I’ve never heard that. I’ve heard “Just don’t be fat” as a condition of a possible relationship partner. Is that what you’re talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:46 PM
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Because there’s “natural” beauty and “artificial” beauty. While most women’s beauty is augmented with something (extensions, makeup, etc.) there are degrees of it. In Hollywood, it’s the sharp faces with lip fillers look that’s , on paper, “attractive”. But comes out looking kinda wrong. If you want a recent and dramatic example, look to Erin Moriarty from The Boys. Sure, she’s still “objectively” attractive. But look at her pics from season 1 vs now in season 4. There’s also the celebrity affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:15 PM
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I can't think of any hobbies I've ever had that had a lot of female interest. Women say “get hobbies” assuming you'll pursue something gender neutral, that other women might be drawn to. Fact is, I only have so much free time. I wouldn't spend it doing something I'm only a little interested in JUST because women might participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:57 PM
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Lesbians are usually more toxicly masculine than most men. So it’d probably still happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:03 PM
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That 0.000000000000001% would still be too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:51 PM
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I’d consider it maaaaaaybe 2%-3% of men if we’re including everything top to bottom, directed specifically at women. Maybe I’m just unlucky then, idk. But yes, a LOT of women fake that “no” because they don’t wanna be seen a certain way. Happens alllllll the time. We treat women like equal human beings. Their struggles warrant about as much concern as any man’s, which is just usually not a lot. Call it a lie if you like. I don’t really care. I’m an “innocent until proven guilty” person, myself. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:44 PM
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Shit, you’re right. When was the meeting this year? I gotta schedule that day off. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:03 PM
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I mean social stuff. Feeling of safety, crime rates, etc. although you’re probably right. I doubt there’s a big enough population to glean anything meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:02 PM
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Depends what numbers you’ll take. Crime stats? Incarceration rate? Idk what you’ll believe. But really think about all the men you’ve ever known and consider how many of them would legitimately harm a woman. People are educated on consent plenty. The waters only start getting muddy when you start actually dating women, because about half will play with the word “no”, not meaning it. “No means no” until it doesn’t. How should we be thinking of women? What are we as a society teaching people that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:01 PM
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I’d be curious to see stats on these places compared to the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:52 PM
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I guess we’re in outright delulu territory if we weren’t already.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:44 PM
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How are you supposed to control a minimal amount of the population? It’s already an extremely small percentage of men that do these things. How much smaller does the number have to be for women to “feel safe”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:41 PM
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That's just another reason why dating a single parent is a catch .22. Either they’re prioritizing this person they just met (you) over their kids, and will do the same thing if you have kids together, and it doesn’t work out, or they have no time for you, and will not value you nearly enough. There’s a list of reasons I wouldn’t date a single mother. And that’s definitely on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:25 AM
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I see nothing wrong with it. It leaves no room for gossip. Worst case scenario, people call you paranoid. But that’s fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:14 AM
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That really has nothing to do with a professional setting. That prostitute wasn’t going to falsely accuse him of anything, and he wasn’t going to promise her a promotion to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:10 AM
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The tree. Here’s a good explanation. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKM6M3R/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:44 AM
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There are no standards anymore. Wedding vows used to mean something. But you can pretty do what you want and for whatever reason now. Husbands and wives used to have generally understood duties, sex included, to keep the family unit amicable and functional. People can't seem to fathom that anymore. So there's no poi t staying trying to fix someone if they don't want to be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:59 AM
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Extreme anything is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:02 PM
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Yes. Lump every working father into the same box 🙄 I’m sorry that my measly “all waking hours at home” isn’t enough for your approval. It’s a good thing I don’t need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:49 PM
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Bullshit, and you know it. You KNOW that having a family together isn’t the same as a broken home whether dad goes to work or not. It’s about picking the right partner. I bet you’d be okay if the roles were reversed and mom wanted to work 10 hours while I was a stay at home dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:41 PM
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Because I want a family that I never had. You don’t need both parents present all day. It’s literally never worked that way. As long as I get a few hours after work and weekends to spend with them, I’d be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:33 PM
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I'll put aside the fact you're trying to insult me, so this doesn’t devolve into mud slinging. I want someone that covers my weak spots. When you work 10 or 12 hours a day with a 30-45 minute commute, time to do things like cook, clean, organize, etc. is the weak point. In other words, I my “other half” not another of the same half, that does all the same things. There’s also the fact that I want kids. Mom being able to cook is better than her not being able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:26 PM
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Men are pretty direct about what we want. I'll marry a 6/10 that cooks my food and folds my clothes over a 10/10 trophy wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:18 PM
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Bumble was ridiculous to try to match on. So many profiles said “I don't message first”, and I'm just flabbergasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 09:23 PM
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Let me whisper you a little secret. Most men end up settling, and are happy to get at least half of what they want from a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:28 PM
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It’s so dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:31 AM
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Because women are out earning men by in large, then whine about a pay gap. There simply aren’t enough men out earning women. On top of that, “Enough” isn’t good enough. He’s expected to make MORE. Like, if a dude is making a steady 100k, that’s fine. But if a woman is making 120k, all of a sudden, that 100k isn’t good enough. Factor in education, and they’re limiting themselves even more because a lot of guys make their money doing blue collar work with a high school diploma. It’s all about pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:29 AM
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The man. The fuck? That’s the stupidest question I’ve ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:44 PM
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Lol I’m saving this post as a reference. I rip my hair out every time someone wants to infantilize anyone under 25 like they’re just incapable of decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:39 PM
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You’re just asking to pick the lesser of two evils because neither of these sound like they would work out long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:09 PM
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I’m sure some are. Some are just out to be sluts somewhere women are more likely to want them. Some are legitimately looking for wives to settle down with that are traditionally feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:00 AM
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Because if they’re hot, sex is still sex. But you don’t settle down with them. Your “value” means nothing outside of a relationship. Besides, most men don’t “detest” them in the general sense. Most men don’t “hate” hoes for existing. It’s the women who have very high opinions of themselves and think that behavior has zero consequences, that usually have the issues with men directing some ire towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:29 PM
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I feel like we should coin a new term for the traditionalists. But I’m not sure what.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:06 AM
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There are two kinds of “red pill” I’m noticing. Traditionalists that are just straight up, like Kevin Samuels (rip) and loud agitators/posers (fresh and fit would be good examples). There will soon need to be some sort of differentiation, because they’re becoming distinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:33 AM
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Why not? Are people not allowed to seek varying levels of attention? People can display themselves how they want. That’s how you’ll be perceived. It’s good to have certain structures and rules to play by. If you don’t, then society crumbles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:54 PM
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MGTOW is just men giving up, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:40 PM
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Most women that dress provocatively are 100% doing it for attention because they know how they’ll be perceived. If they’re not promiscuous, they at least want to look like they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:27 PM
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Why’s that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:10 PM
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Because “pretty privilege” is real. THAT is biological. Whatever our perception of attraction is, those people get put on a pedestal. They’re the ones that make the rules, trends, fads, etc. If you’re fat and ugly, and you say “I’m not gonna conform to society’s beauty standards”, no one cares. You can’t “work” to change society’s perception of beauty, because it’s all a culmination of people’s internal desire to elevate themselves in status. Tribes don’t care about looks because they have real …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:09 PM
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They aren’t genetic. But they’re influenced by your parents. If your mother was miserable, it stands to reason, you wouldn’t want to do that. If your mother was happy, you more likely would. If you’re happy, your kids are more likely to want to. But if you chose not to have children, the buck stops with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:44 PM
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Because we have a superficial society, and the people who work on being attractive are extremely and unnaturally attractive. Those societies that women tend to dress revealingly don’t typically have media. They place next to no value on physical beauty. We do. So unless you want to live in a society where no one finds any value in physical attraction, it won’t change. The only people that typically want that, are either just virtue signaling or not directly benefiting from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:41 PM
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Because the women having children aren’t following it. The women following it won’t pass on that belief. Every “movement” eventually goes to far, and a counter movement arises. When your movement is anti child, and anti family, the counter movement is going to outlast yours. On top of that, America isn’t exactly making it easy to have kids, better yet promoting it. Men are already leaving the country to find wives. It’s not like the women here can become less desirable than they already are anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:23 PM
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Well, the movement will die in a generation. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:17 PM
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There could be a lot of different reasons women dress provocatively. But we all know what it looks like. You’re trying to get attention. Either from all men, specific men, or even women. The fact is, we control people’s perception of us. If you know that dressing provocatively makes people assume that you’re promiscuous, you want that for some reason. Usually, if you want to be perceived as promiscuous, it’s because you are. We’re all human. We all know what “comfort” feels like, so it’s a prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:15 PM
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Depends. If that’s as good as any man can hope to get, that’s probably what they’ll take.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 07:29 AM
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That’s some dumb shit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 07:03 AM
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Literal war. Invasions and chaos. The natural order rights itself when the shit hits the fan and people know what real problems are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:10 AM
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War
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:01 AM
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They don’t have to be. They just generally are. My point is that men are drawn by women that act like whores. They always have been. OF girls, strippers, etc. Yet we want them to be sweet and innocent on the inside. We all know that’s not how reality works. But just like women confuse what makes them horny with what makes them happy, men do the same thing. It’s a learning process.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:52 AM
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Because generally, it’s more likely to just be depressing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:57 AM
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I’m sure photoshop programs are becoming more readily accessible nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:13 AM
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So I guess you could say context matters a lot here. If you’re an average person just trying to stay in shape, 90 minutes is overkill. If you’re really pushing for growth, 90 minutes is about the cap. But not unreasonable. If you’re specifically training for something, especially if it has to do with endurance, 90 minutes is probably the minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:23 PM
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I don’t believe so. Because they expressed interest in some or most of those qualities, generally. I had lost count of how many times I heard “I can’t figure out why you’re still single” before I got ghosted. I’d get laid semi regularly. But I wanted a relationship that would last. So I very steadily improved myself and kept hearing the same thing until I found an introverted gamer gf that stuck. But I was “single” for a good 6 years. I got a pretty broad view.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:20 PM
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I don’t disagree. As long as you’re not lying anyway. We all know what zero pictures from the neck down or overly filtered pictures mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:39 PM
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It’s window shopping. How are you getting matches without talking to them? Who are you matching with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:27 PM
3

I mean, they might think she’s faithful. Ngl I couldn’t have given less fucks in my early adult life. Women cheated with me. Most of them are married to those same guys with kids (none by me either btw). None ever got caught. If they would’ve gotten caught, people would’ve thought “wow, I never would’ve expected”. Happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:18 PM
92

Dating apps are multiplicative. If you’re already attractive, they’ll amplify you. If you’re not, they’ll amplify your depression lol. As guy, if you’re under an 8/10 objectively, I say stay off them. I’ve found success though. But living in the middle of nowhere, not much. Idk how many matches I’d get if I lived somewhere with a lot of attractive women. But I always found myself swiping “no” 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 04:58 PM
2

I mean not acting on that libido. High libido leads to more sexual partners and relationships. More sexual partners correlate with higher rates of infidelity. While someone with high libido may not start off a cheater, being promiscuous before entering a relationship means they’re more likely to cheat for a variety of reasons. That goes for men and women. But for whatever reason, whenever I see a graph on that, the curve is much steeper with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 04:30 PM
1

It’s less about libido and more about restraint. And your experience differs highly from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:22 PM
9

Well I appreciate the advice. But I do fine in general. Those were just points that held me back. I’m currently in a relationship. Just recounting my time being single. As for women not liking muscle, that’s simply not true. If you’re roided up and unnaturally muscular, sure. But close to your natural potential is good. Only ever heard good things about my physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:04 AM
5

I’m aware. I also just like the gym. If I didn’t, I’d do 20-45 minutes, and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:50 AM
20

Yup. Just like we all want a loyal woman that acts like a whore just for us. People just aren’t generally like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:16 AM
5

Well 90 minutes is the cap. I’m also not an intermediate anymore. It takes a tad more volume for me. To answer your question, I get up and go before work. It’s also, usually not every single day. 4-6 maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:30 AM
11

You’re not wrong. But it’s very consistently the same issue. And I believe that’s what is causing the confusion. I might’ve brought up men. But I don’t date men, and the post isn’t about men. So I’m not going to comment on them unless asked a direct question. But it is a “human” thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:46 AM
62

I’m the “on paper he checks is the boxes” guy. 6’2”, athletic, nice face, good money. I always had issues. Ironically, it feels like it was because I had my shit together. I’m not “exciting”. I have my few hobbies, and spend my time not working, relaxing. But I don’t have any exciting stories to tell. Women want a lot of contradicting things. The main thing I’ve noticed is they want a guy with money who’s in shape, but get mad when you spend 90 minutes a day at the gym, or have to work the weeke…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:37 AM
1

I mean, I’ve never heard a man call it a “situationship”. He just says “the girl I’m fucking”, my “FWB”, etc. That “situationship” is so that she doesn’t have a clearly defined line in her head. She can claim she has a thing, without the man ever agreeing to exclusivity, and without her taking a hit to the ego”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:03 PM
5

People don’t like age gaps because they’re salty or had a bad experience themselves once. A good person at 35 will treat you as well as a good person at 25. Most men fall into those age gap relationships anyways. They’re not strictly aiming for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:56 PM
0

You say that. But you don’t know any more than I do. All I can do is take it at face value. Besides that, a dude that identifies as gay or straight usually is tied to it enough not to be swayed as easily, I’d think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:09 PM
0

It’s my opinion based on who I’ve seen and known my whole life? What else should I go on? Stats? How many studies do you think “straight” guys are gonna say “I like sucking dick on the side” even if it is anonymous? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:03 PM
1

Alright. So how common would you say they are in contrast to completely gay or straight men? And also compared to women who identify as bi? Genuinely curious, since it’s got so much secrecy surrounding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 10:50 PM
1

Imo women are more on a spectrum of attraction. I mean, we all are. But MOST men are completely uninterested in one sex or the other. Bi men seem rather rare. On the other hand, it seems like most women had a “phase” or something. At the bare minimum, some sexual attraction to both sexes. So I think women can more likely be swayed than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 08:53 PM
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That’s not homophobia. That’s just uninformed terminology. My gf also identified as a “lesbian” at one point. You can’t get mad at the people who aren’t a thing misrepresenting it, when the people who are a thing do it regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 08:50 PM
0

Yes it is hypocritical. What people refuse to accept, is that in dating, all manners of preference and hypocrisy are valid, because they’re your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 08:24 PM
5

Very possibly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 01:15 AM
12

Because Chad gets all the women, therefore leaving less for the the other guys. Then after Chad inevitably ditches his roster, the other guys have to handle all your new baggage. Insecurities, trust issues, and whatever else they picked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 05:49 PM
1

Depends. If you care about people, tell the truth, and don’t care what they say. They can’t be mad that you are giving them what they asked for. If you don’t care about the repercussions, then lie. You don’t have to be a complete piece of shit and say you could see marrying them, then ghost them. But if you’re getting shit on for being honest, do whatever you want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 07:13 AM
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I used to be a romantic… once. I rarely see people go from jaded to romantic though, unless they were already romantic to start with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:48 PM
12

That only really matters once your foot is in the door. 90% of the complaints come from even getting the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:34 PM
4

This is asinine. You’re either lovable or you aren’t. If you aren’t, you need to learn to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 09:41 PM
2

I don’t disagree. I think it’s a bad term. And if we’re being honest SMV literally isn’t comparable for men and women. But that’s the term so I work within it. Relationship value is much easier to equate between men and women because you both have to put in work, not just reap the benefits of the fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:18 PM
1

I don’t think I’ve ever heard any redpillers claim that men’s SMV was based on looks. Just that women seems to think that their SMV isn’t as based on looks. They’ll name a bunch of things that they think elevates their value as a partner, when in reality, most men don’t care one way or the other. The thing that’s ridiculous is that a woman with a low SMV thinks that she deserves a guy better than her league just because she’s slept with guys out of her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:00 PM
6

It’s easier to be happy single when you can just call someone when you’re horny/lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 08:42 PM
5

Not really, no. I don’t base my entire opinion on the culmination of the cringiest and most socially inept people Reddit can find. I base on real life and people I’ve known and interacted with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:22 AM
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I can't tell if you're dense or actively trying to miss the point. But you've created this fictional character of some incel in your mind to knock down with your argument, instead of looking at a real world application. Guy A is average height, healthy weight, average salary, with a decent personality, and actively struggles with even getting a woman not to ghost him, or even talk to him in the first place. Guy B is 6’4” smooth talking Chad McThundercock with a new hot girl every weekend, consta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:33 PM
3

Every guy wants to be the guy that women want. Even if he only wants one woman. The fact that it's so easy for these guys that are obviously assholes, while they're a decent guy struggling with dating, sometimes to even get a response, can be a lot to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:18 PM
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Please fix whatever that grammar is because I don’t understand it. No one is always in the mood. The problem arises when it becomes a pattern of behavior. If you get into a relationship with me, then pull a full 180° on me, I’m not gonna be happy about it, nor should you if I did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 08:36 PM
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By making a deal to be monogamous, it’s pretty easy to see how not wanting sex, or using it as a “reward” to get what you want, could be seen as shitty behavior, assuming you’ve attempted to talk these issues out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 08:29 PM
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Because women tend not to “date down”. If they do, they aren’t happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 08:33 PM
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Yes. Women tend to date up. A woman could be making 100k a year. She obviously isn’t a gold digger. She doesn’t need money. But she won’t date a guy that’s only making 40k a year. Whereas the reverse isn’t as true. The trade off is that taking on the pressure of supporting yourself plus a family, opens up your dating options a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:57 PM
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Well to be fair, 90% of relationship issues come down to communication and making your beliefs known. That’s kind of a catch all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:04 PM
-1

That’s the most sensible responses. But unfortunately, not the most common. I’ve seen them too many times. I personally, make my stance known upfront in my relationships. I think paternity tests should be done at birth. But that’s just my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 12:57 PM
1

I have no issues understanding how to open up. I just choose not to. I wasn’t raised to be overly sensitive or overly stoic. Adulthood and dealing women is how I know that most of the time, life is just easier and less stressful if I just keep my mouth shut.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 12:34 PM
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It’s not made up. I’ve seen two or three posts about paternity testing at birth, and women are up in arms about it in most of them. The most common response being “if you don’t trust her, then don’t have a baby with her” or “if you ask for a paternity test, you deserve to be left”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 11:00 AM
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I think they’re probably motivated to be better parents than most single parents. But they’re definitely putting their happiness above the perspective child’s happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:43 AM
1

Play the field. I’m not gonna cut off my other options until we’re in a relationship. Also, don’t get too invested. If she says she wants to “talk” first, she can talk. But I always made it pretty clear that I don’t hang on very long if we don’t move off the app. If she’s too paranoid to meet me in a public space, that’s her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:40 AM
1

No. But I’ve known my competition for my whole adult life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:43 PM
-1

I’m significantly better looking now at 30, and with more status than I was at 20. If a guy is 40 with money and abs, he’s SIGNIFICANTLY more attractive than he was 10 years prior. It’s just that the opposite is also true if they let themselves go.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:54 PM
16

That’s advice for women. There are plenty of male virgins that’ll die alone simply because they haven’t been looking hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:16 AM
1

Every date you go on is a competition against many other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:25 PM
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Define hypergamy for me so I know we’re talking about the same thing. Because I’m talking about dating in the social hierarchy. That involves multiple attributes. Those attributes shake out differently for both genders. Sure some men date up while some women date down. But that’s the exception, not the rule. As a man, to get the woman you want, you typically have to be “better” in some important way, or many small ways to make her happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 09:07 AM
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That’s not society. That’s nature. For example, the fact that women developed pre selection bias. Or the fact that women consistently date across and up hierarchies, while men date across and down. You’re allowed to be hypocritical in your dating life. You’re allowed to think it’s not fair. If it were fair, it would be because men and women are the same. And being different is arguably our favorite and least favorite thing about each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:38 AM
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Yup. You’re correct. It is a double standard. Dating is full of them. Men and women aren’t the same and our relationship dynamics aren’t fair. Men who sleep around might get shamed by women. But probably not. And especially not the same way a virgin man would. However, men cast no judgement on female virgins, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:30 AM
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Because while men, in general, enjoy that type of woman in the short term, if all women acted like that, there’d be few suitable partners for the long term. Single women also tend to keep women single. More than once I’ve seen the “hoe friend” ruin perfectly good relationships, by rubbing it in a girl’s face how “fun” being single is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:08 AM
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It is widespread. Most men, given the option, don’t like to date promiscuous women. Not seriously anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:45 AM
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Are we really gonna go over why men don’t like promiscuous women for long term partners again? The men that care have explained it a million times. What’s unclear?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:44 AM
2

I mean probably. But the issue is the duality of women. What turns them on and what keeps them hooked are almost opposite. They like the idea of the “bad boy” that changes for them or some equivalent. You’re either a good decent stable guy that fakes it in the beginning and let’s her think you changed for her, or you’re an asshole who would have to legitimately change.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:19 PM
1

Because why? There’s a study to back up every position. If you post solid points with good data, you’ll get drowned out by sheer volume of junk studies. As the OP, you’ll then end up reading 90% bullshit along with responding to the standard ignorant commenters. Your mental energy if you want to debate is gone almost immediately. That’s why “debates” are 1 on 1 or a small team vs a small team. Not 1 vs 200. This forum (Reddit as a whole) will never be worth more than throwing an idea out there. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:14 PM
44

What the hell do you want then? That’s part of accepting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 01:09 AM
4

I prefer lower body count. Less relationships the better. While I believe relationship experience can be helpful, in my personal experience the experiences my partners have had have been mostly negative. Sometimes a clean slate is just better than starting at a net negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:03 PM
1

I don’t understand why women can’t wrap their mind around this. We’re not all Leonardo DiCaprio. We don’t just toss out women when they hit 30. We’re just not as interested in STARTING a relationship with a 30+ year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:10 AM
1

The extreme rates of broken homes and fatherlessness is pretty new and the main problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:40 PM
1

What organized movements preach how and why to self improve other than TRP that you know of?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:19 AM
1

It’s not mostly negative. Grifters just use it in a negative way. You could say the same thing about most movements. The grifters just got to TRP earlier than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:50 AM
2

I mean, yeah. That’s why these people are blowing up. People with their own strong father figures and sense of identity don’t NEED it. Those of us that have those things are the ones genuinely trying to spread TRP in a positive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:02 AM
3

Good question. Red pill isn’t standardized.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 03:07 PM
2

Oh, I do. Never been with someone that wasn’t aware of my stance. They’ve never had an issue either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:30 PM
1

I’m in favor of mandatory paternity testing. But I’ve been called plenty of names for that view too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:48 PM
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I mean, we know men are fucked up. Wasn’t it Andrew Tate that said “emotionally weak men are the most dangerous people in society”? Like, yeah. We know. This isn’t news.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:22 PM
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Good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:14 AM
-4

A lot of men are raising kids they don’t know aren’t theirs. And no, before you ask, I’m not doing your googling for you. I don’t keep every source saved, and the last three times I looked it up for people, they just blocked me. I’m done.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:24 AM
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Kids don’t just “add struggle”. They’re an entirely new emotional burden. Especially for men who have none. There are so many angles to it. Dating a single mom can backfire on you far harder than dating a childless woman. Just FYI there’s a shit load of women who won’t date single dads either. They just have the luxury of being picky and still getting laid/having relationships. So you don’t hear it as loudly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:08 AM
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I mean, that’s the reality of what happens to a lot of guys. I think people are conflating what red pill people preach you should do, and what actually ends up happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:57 AM
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I don’t think anyone is entitled to cheat. I just don’t think it’s as big of a deal when men do it as when women do. Fact is there are way more women that’ll put up with it than men. For men it’s almost treated as a minor transgression deserving a slap on the hand at times. Several of women I’ve seen cheated on are more pissed that the dude put it out there, got caught, and made her look stupid, than the actual act of cheating itself. Men and women cheat for different reasons. Typically when wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:54 AM
2

I’d say being unable to physically defend yourself effectively from half the population without a weapon is the biggest one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:05 PM
1

Honestly, the ideal red pill world happens if men stop being simps and incels. It’s less to do directly with women than most people think. The things most red pill guys get mad about are the things in society that allow, or even push men to be weak, physically, emotionally, and intellectually. Create a society that promotes healthy masculinity and the rest falls into place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:58 PM
1

You don’t have to be redpilled to see that coming. Open marriages are what some couples do as a last ditch effort to avoid a divorce, and it usually doesn’t work. I think destiny got played. I think that red pills are right about a lot of things. Does this mean they’re right in general? No. Does this mean they’re right about open marriages? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:21 PM
-1

I feel like it’s part of the agreement. If I agree to have sex with only you for the rest of my life, I’m not only having sex once a month. At the same time, no one really wants obligation sex. If we talk about it, and there’s nothing we can do to bring some enthusiasm back, that’s grounds to leave. If you have kids or something and don’t wanna split, that’s grounds to ask to open up the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 09:47 PM
2

Do you think I came to this conclusion all by myself from only my perspective? I’m not socially and emotionally inept. I’ve talked these things out with my partner. I find myself snapping my partner (and past partners btw) back to reality after the group chat gets them all wound up over things that didn’t really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 12:04 AM
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It doesn’t have to be a complaint. It can be a minor annoyance or even something that didn’t bother her. But a group of single women will make a mountain out of any molehill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 10:38 PM
1

Everything can be going great… Then the group chat gets involved 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:31 AM
2

If you consistently get your soul sucked out by crazy girls, I imagine it’s just pattern recognition at a point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:29 PM
2

Everyone is shallow. Just for different reasons. But yes, given the choice between ugly and maybe nice, and hot and a bitch, we’ll usually choose the hot one when we’re younger. Mainly because most of y’all are crazy from our POV anyway. So even when you’re picking the nice girl, it’s not that much easier to deal with most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:58 PM
2

Men don’t like bitches because they’re bitches. We (“they”. I personally can’t stand them) like them in spite of the fact they are that way because they’re usually attractive. Attractive people in general are getting more rare. Dudes will put up with a shitty personality as long as they’re under a certain threshold just because they’re attractive. And I’d say more than half of attractive people develop shitty attitudes because of being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:59 AM
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Literally do not care about them. Don’t treat them like they mean anything until well after they want to be treated that way. Bonus: Don’t make anyone a priority, when all you are is another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:02 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 01:50 AM
3

Then every man should say it upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 06:52 PM
2

I’ve told my partners for a long time that I believe in mandatory paternity tests. Even if I completely trust them, I’ll still be getting one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:57 AM
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Because we want companionship. Many of us also want to have kids. I don’t see why a paternity test is such a big deal. I’ve told my partner that if we have kids, I’d like a paternity test because I’m one of those that believes in making them mandatory. It’d be hypocritical if I didn’t. She doesn’t mind. No woman I’ve ever been with has minded that I feel that way. So the only way I can rationalize women getting so butt hurt over it, is if they want women to be able to easily get away with cheati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:46 AM
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That’s not going to happen. Best you can ask is for men to stay out of relationships with these women. Fuck and dump them. Because they’re not gonna choose the option that doesn’t involve fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:36 AM
1

Pretty much everyone I know at some point. Myself included.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:32 AM
1

I was 18 and poured my heart out to this woman I had been seeing for a year. She said I sounded like a girl and it was really unattractive. So I was steered away from opening up early on. Fast forward to today, I haven’t opened up about information involving a female friend or acquaintance without having to answer for it. The girl I’m with is so insecure, I regret it every time I tell her the truth or a story that involves another female.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 12:40 PM
1

Society used to frown on it. Which worked better than today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:45 AM
3

Well that’s how it’s supposed to be. That’s what the contract of marriage is meant to be. But fuck that I guess. We’ll come full circle when society collapses in on itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:34 PM
5

Marriage is supposed to mean something. Namely “I’m not gonna run away when times get hard”. It’s supposed to mean that you can show a person all your imperfections, and they won’t leave. In return, they can show you all of theirs. You can’t build anything long lasting with “serial monogamy”, except miserable kids with broken homes. Fuck your entire outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 06:28 PM
1

All it did was tilt the scales. The guys that were doing well are running the market. The ones that weren’t, are doing significantly worse. Same goes for women really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:05 AM
0

Best girl I ever dated was a Filipina. I met her far too soon in life, for either of our own good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:20 PM
5

Men have to adapt to the dating market that women set. Red pill’s are just stating what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:09 AM
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I disagree. They’re just lower maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:15 AM
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No. But if you’re listed as the father, they WILL get their money. Sometimes depending on if it’s proven to be your kid or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:59 AM
0

Lying and cheating isn’t indicative of being a sociopath. If it were, sooooooo much more of the population would be. How legally binding it is, depends on the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:39 AM
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If it’s not the standard, then women usually take it personally when you want a paternity test. Plus you’re already legally on the hook, because you have to sign the birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:25 AM
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Honestly, being overly optimistic and positive. I’m naturally negative, or at least I was raised that way. And being with someone constantly pounding the brighter side of life into my head, although it was a bit much at times, I can’t appreciate it enough. And it’s so extremely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:37 AM
2

What’s your longest relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:14 AM
9

I think it should be common dating etiquette to insist on splitting the bill if you don't intend on having a second date. But let the man pay if you do. If this was clearly understood, you could part ways on the same page. That’s probably idealistic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:12 AM
3

Well both partners will demand obedience at SOME point. It's just part of a relationship. My definition of “obey” might be different than yours. But I'll give you an example. I don't like to get loud and argue. However, my gf will bottle things up until she's so heated, she can't do anything other than yell. When these moments come up, I'll tell her to leave me alone and go cool off, because nothing productive will come if using each other as a verbal punching bag. She fucking hates it. But she …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:05 AM
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Being a leader isn't the same as being a boss. You're not “subserviant” or “obedient” in a good relationship. You're just following willingly. Not being told do. You're doing things for your partner because you want to. And even though the other partner is the “leader” they do things for you because they want to. But in the end, if either one of you stops listening to the other, the relationship will fall apart. It doesn't matter who generally leads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:42 AM
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Because relationships are never 50/50. Someone is leading whether you like it or not. Someone loves harder, has more confidence, or is stronger willed. A leader implies a follower. So what exactly do you imagine when you say “a man and a woman leading together”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:39 AM
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That’s a general misunderstanding. “Demanding” submission isn’t the right thing to do. Submitting is simply giving the lead. Men that want to lead, want a woman that will let them. Not by force, but by choice out of trust. As to why it’s better, this is purely anecdotal, but every relationship I’ve seen where the woman starts to take charge turns into either this unhealthy, high stress, toxic relationship, or it ends. I don’t know why this is. But the more traditional male lead relationships see…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:54 AM
2

The only thing that becomes an issue is that women like that hang on your every word. They cannot handle anything by themselves. It’s almost as if they’re a child, where anything that doesn’t go exactly as they expected is some sort of tragedy. You can have those traits and be a self sufficient adult, able to handle yourself at home when problems arise. It just generally doesn’t happen anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:03 AM
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Add on the fact that approaching women outside a bar or club simply isn’t socially acceptable anymore. Men don’t want to be seen as a creep. But they can’t know whether that’s how they’ll be perceived until they try. So most men just don’t. That leads to them never practicing the skill of approaching, which most of us aren’t born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:53 AM
1

I don't care. But I'm not sure how the other woman would take that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:40 AM
4

Yeah. It’s incredibly unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:48 AM
6

It’s a thing. All these single people infect the ones that settled down early, and make them regret it. “Single people keep people single” “misery loves company” and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 01:23 AM
2

She left her husband so she could prove she could live her own. They were already in an open marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 01:20 AM
7

Lol I just personally witnessed this happen. She’s 26. I feel bad for the guy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:52 AM
-3

For that price, you could fly to the Philippines and get a whole ass wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:57 AM
10

Imagine having your same standards, but instead of 100 options, you have 5. What gives you better odds of a decent suitor?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:28 AM
1

There’s also the factor that in many states, the mother is the default parent, while the father needs to hire a lawyer. Which, in the midst of everything else generally going on in a separation, may not be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:49 PM
0

If you call two weekends a month, that the mom may or may not adhere to, “sharing”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:36 PM
14

I used to be a hopeless romantic. That habit got beaten out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:16 AM
1

I think he means primary custody. Not full custody, or cutting the mom out of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:52 AM
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My brother got fucked up from an early age because his mom was a meth head. My dad tried for years to get custody of him. Even went so far as to hire a P.I. And the courts of Mississippi still wouldn’t take him away from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:51 AM
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Nobody wants to be someone’s sole source of happiness. They might think they do until they actually are put into that position. It honestly sucks. Most people want their partner to be emotionally self sufficient. That doesn’t mix with putting someone on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:47 AM
1

It’s the only way to do it without wanting to off yourself as far as I’m concerned. Imagine helicoptering 2+ kids. Sounds fucking awful lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:32 PM
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That’s because most parents are weak willed to baby cries. You have to condition them to the environment they live in. Most parents’ lives are a lot more stressful when they give in. Parent number 1 (one child): Always holds the baby, does everything they can to keep it from crying, always keeps everything quiet during nap time. They end up with light sleepers with attachment issues. Parent number 2 (six kids): let’s the baby cry when she sets it down. Makes sure it’s not hurt, hungry, or needs …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:45 PM
4

Probably so. But certain actions shrink your dating pool. And being a sex worker shrinks it a LOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:21 AM
1

Okay. And as long as you’re not lying, that’s gonna shrink your dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:13 AM
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They will certainly be able to find a man. Just probably not one they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:12 AM
6

I wouldn’t date a girl that did OF. I wouldn’t want kids with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:10 AM
1

Lol your experiences are far different than mine
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:15 PM
2

Probably not. But “go to the gym/get in shape” is generally the first thing men say when a guy is asking how to improve. You can even find examples on multiple subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:15 PM
4

Absolutely not true. Real friends will 100% tell you what’s wrong with you if you whine about being single. Especially if you’re annoying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:25 PM
1

I have the complete opposite opinion and experience. Listening to female friends is what really keeps you single. They give fine relationship advice, but not dating advice. Other male friends that are successful with women are the ones that know how the game is played.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:23 PM
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Fact sort of. If you’re a man, you have to make SOME sort of effort. But making a relationship a goal to get to or work towards is a mistake. You have to work on yourself while simultaneously dating in the background, without prioritizing it, or putting the women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:08 AM
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I can only speak for myself. But I wanted something long term from every woman I was with in my younger, idealistic days. I didn’t start “fucking first, and seeing what happens later” until I had been used and manipulated for a while. But I was never closed off to the idea of a relationship until I got older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:25 PM
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They get the most engagement on screen because they’re fun to look at. Maturing as a man means realizing “fun to look at”=/=genuine long term attraction. We usually get there pretty fast too. It’s the male equivalent of women dating assholes because they like their free spirit and assertive nature, but understanding later that those guys make you horny, not happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 06:23 PM
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If men do something worth complimenting, we’re not afraid to speak well to each other. It’s just that most men don’t do anything. They expect to be coddled for existing like women. But that isn’t reality, and they don’t like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:38 PM
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Well, that’s just incorrect. Just like there is negative masculinity and positive masculinity, there is negative femininity and positive femininity. You’re just comparing the negative aspects of femininity to the positive aspects of masculinity, to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 01:36 PM
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Bang on accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:03 PM
1

Men. We generally know what we want. Caveat being, don’t ask a close friend that cares too much about you’re feelings. Ask a man that doesn’t care much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:08 PM
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Not really related. Sorry for derailing. I just noticed your flair, and am curious how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:43 PM
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In the long run? Childless. My parents never had a ton of money. We were comfortably middle class. But I still love them. I do wish I had siblings though, to hopefully take some pressure off of me when it comes to taking care of them. Even when coming from nothing, a coordinated family unit can accomplish a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:51 PM
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You’re right. But that’s not gonna happen. I know I’ve only denied the ugly ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:18 PM
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I’m good with mine being more “traditional”. She works because she wants to. She voluntarily does the house chores. I’m the bread winner by far though. She makes my life better because I hate chores. I make her life better because she doesn’t have to pay rent, electric, water, gas, groceries, or really any other necessities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:48 PM
1

Honestly, I think men are just the more extreme sex, while women are more moderate. That extends to multiple facets of life. But let’s just say sexuality is on a scale from 0-100 gay to straight. Most guys I’ve ever met fall into 0-20 or 80-100. I very seldom meet men that are bisexual. On the other hand, I feel like MOST women fall between 40-60. I’ve met straight women and gay women. But most of the women I’ve ever known were bi to some degree. Very few are actually repulsed by the idea of bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:47 PM
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Sensible
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:59 PM
1

Well one is an ex that ended amicably. The other is a friend I knew for years before the guy came into the picture, that just always saw me as a threat. I wouldn’t call either of them “bad”. They just don’t like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:58 PM
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Because I believe in mandatory dna testing. It’d be pretty hypocritical of me not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:45 PM
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Oh, and I don’t tell them because we don’t like each other. In both cases, if I say something, not only will they not believe me, we’ll probably be squaring up for a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:36 PM
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To set precedent. I believe dna tests should be mandatory. It’d be hypocritical of me not to get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:35 PM
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I don’t. And again, that’s not what the paternity test is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:33 PM
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No. But even if only 1% are, that’s still 1% of men dealing with getting cheated on, and being extorted for 18 years under threat of law. If they sign that birth certificate, they’re on the hook.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:25 PM
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I’ve been tired of talking to you since the last thread. All you’re doing is trying to tell ME what MY motivations are. So unless you’re the words first internet mind reader, I don’t really care what you have to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:19 PM
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It’s something women can’t empathize with because it could never happen to you. No man marries and starts a family with a woman they don’t trust. Yet an estimated 20%-25% of men in America are unknowingly caring for children that aren’t theirs. Apparently, the French or Italian (Can’t remember which. The argument was a few months ago) government, outlawed paternity tests without due cause and a court order, because they feared the backlash of how many men might find out their child wasn’t their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 11:53 AM
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I’ve only been approached once. But yeah, she was a dime. Would’ve taken her home if she didn’t get absolutely plastered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:39 AM
2

I don’t have to hide behind anything. That’s why I’m perfectly open and willing to tell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:41 AM
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I’m not going into details with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:12 AM
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Maybe so. But either way, I’ve made my opinions clear. The women I’ve been with don’t seem to mind. So apparently, not all women mind that much. That’s my point. I just choose to date women that think more pragmatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:07 AM
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I don’t really care what you think. If it bothers you that badly, then I’d imagine you’d have left a long time ago. That’s fine. I don’t think it makes me insecure to take precautions as simple as that. You do. Again, that’s fine. I guess what bothered me most about these two women is how much I respected them, then how nonchalantly they did what they did. I know them personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:00 AM
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It’s a principle of mine. You can agree or disagree. At some point, it’s come up to the last few women I’ve been involved with, so I wouldn’t make it a surprise that I do it whether I think she was faithful or not. But regardless, I can get a DNA test without her input anyway. It’s my child as far as the hospital is concerned. I know two guys that have done it before they put their signature on the birth certificate. It doesn’t necessarily mean I think she cheated. I just want the proof for me. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:50 AM
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Eh, I don’t think it makes them any less. It’s just a really bad bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:31 AM
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Yeah, I don’t blame them. They can’t know. It’s just that I wish they’d take our word for it when tell them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:30 AM
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Currently? Yes. And I’ve made that clear in other relationships as well. Explaining the stance coherently usually means there’s no issue. I think paternity testing should be mandatory. Even for women, on the off chance it’d prevent a mix up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:27 AM
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I make it clear that I’ll get a paternity test early on. So far, haven’t had any complaints. Either they haven’t cared, or didn’t think I was serious. But it won’t come as a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:34 AM
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I’m just not a cuck my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:34 AM
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Not true for you. It’s absolutely repulsive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:11 AM
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Dudes tag team women they don’t like. It’s degrading.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:08 AM
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You’re usually not wrong about the outcome you want to see. Just the route to get there. Then that’s why men shouldn’t listen to you. Because they’ll fail over and over until they’re bitter. Then instead of using the tricks responsibly once they learn, they turn into absolute monsters on something akin to a revenge trip.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:58 AM
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Didn’t say anything was your fault. I just explained the situation. But the reason you have no business being brutally honest, is because you’re also typically wrong. You won’t encourage manipulation or playing games. Yet, women in general, don’t respond to honesty and genuine effort. When the day comes that a man can walk up to a woman, and say “I’m not looking for anything long term. But you’re very attractive. And I’d like to take you home tonight.” Or “You’re very pretty. Can I get your numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:35 AM
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I don’t expect to get any advice from women, because they simply haven’t lived it. But I will say that the tactics to getting a girl to sleep with you, and the ones to get a girl interested in a relationship, are remarkably similar. Part of what draws a lot of guys to the red pill side of things, is that there’s a mix of brutal honesty, and self improvement guidance. There are some guys that need to hear “You’re fat, lazy, uninteresting, and uneducated. Why would a woman want to date you? Be bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:19 AM
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It’s not so much about giving “red pill” advice. It’s just that women give men horrible dating advice in general. What they’re doing, is giving relationship advice, which is fine. But none of it will help you get a date in the first place. Plus hearing things like “just be yourself” or “the right one will come along eventually” is the type of thing that keeps guys perpetually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:54 AM
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Because no matter how much it comes up, there are still tons of women that seem to have no clue about it. Some of my female friends to this day, still didn’t know, or didn’t know how bad it was. I had one when I was younger straight up tell me, “there’s no way it’s as hard as you make it sound” because I theoretically, should be popular. I’m 6’+, fit, and fairly attractive. So I had her make a fake profile with pictures of me, and try to talk to some of these women. She caved in like 4 days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:50 AM
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That’s not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:44 AM
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Anything for money, involving excrement, or getting a train ran on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:47 PM
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It’s a muscle. You can train it. The younger/skinnier women are also likely more fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:50 AM
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There’s no disrespect. Neither you nor I know this person. She obviously doesn’t put him down, because she said multiple times how nice he is, and that she likes him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:03 PM
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There’s nothing insufferable about this post. Chances are that if she likes him, she’s nice to him. But you can’t have these conversations about these observations if people like you don’t understand the concept of discussing the idea/observation, rather than the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:00 PM
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A lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:50 AM
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I have that. I’m explaining why it irks me that if I explain my situation to someone, they’ll still tell me with a straight face “She’s not your mom. You should be doing your own laundry.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:06 AM
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I know. I’m just explaining because they asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:01 AM
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What does one have to do with the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:00 AM
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It is fair to me. I like being the provider. I appreciate that my gf is a home maker. I want to be appreciated (or at least respected) that I’m the provider. She is much more pleasant day to day when she doesn’t have to worry about getting up and going to work (as are most people I imagine). I’d be doing what I’m doing anyway, because I don’t have a choice in my work hours. She just takes the workload of chores off my hands. It’s more mutually beneficial for us than trying to make everything 1:1…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:47 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:23 PM
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Just putting in my 2 cents. Take it or leave it. But I know that no amount of anyone telling you your wrong would come between you and that “data”. So I’m not going to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:03 PM
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Ah, I see
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:51 PM
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I’m not going to dig through stats for this, because I simply don’t care. But I will say that I know a lot more women that have an attitude change when they start making more, than men. I’ve known several men working in my industry, putting their wives/gfs through college, specifically so that they can take a break from being the bread winner. The problem that I don’t think any study can really account for, is the attitude women tend to develop when they think they’re better than you. Women shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:50 PM
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I only expect chores done if I’m doing all the providing. That’s “traditional”. If a dude can’t provide, he doesn’t get to expect a trad wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:41 PM
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That’s not generally what I hear. What hear that I have issues with (mainly because that’s my situation) is women gassing up other women, saying not to baby their man, when the man is working 50, 60, 70 hours a week, paying all of the bills, and making sure that even if she’s working, it’s purely because she wants to. I agree there should be an even trade. It’s just that everyone has their own definition of “fair”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:39 PM
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I think that’s more of a trope or difference of opinion than being rooted in reality. Most of us are single and functional adults for years before a woman even decides they want to give is a chance nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:17 PM
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I’m sure it is. But it’s also somewhat valid. I don’t agree with a completely blanket generalization. But it’s probably still a majority. I’ve heard “I don’t want to be his mother” from a numerous women in these forums. But my only good relationship I’ve had is my gf doing those sorts of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:59 PM
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Probably 1. Not the same people asking for both. 2. Trad wives are clear about what they bring to the relationship, and are actively happier in a relationship than single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:52 PM
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“Men”: proceeds to list things a collective 1% of men do Lol what a fucking joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:34 PM
2

I guess we’ve just been dying for our women and children for funsies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:51 AM
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30m/construction/white. I absolutely do not care. Never really have. My parents have never cared much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:17 AM
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True. But they’re the ones getting hit harder than dudes that just don’t get laid often. Although they’re affected to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:49 PM
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I think most of y’all just had a really screwed up sense of “value” and “respect”. You heard mom complain all day because she was the one at home, while dad was at work. I heard it all the same. Difference is, I started working with my dad when I grew up, spent time with him, and learned both sides of the story. Marriage serves zero purpose imo for anyone. But women act as if their mothers all had a horrible life because she wasn’t “appreciated” enough. That shit goes both ways most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:55 AM
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Yes. Although generally, men are talking about whores, or women they’re acting like whores. And if they aren’t, and the whores are offended, they’re not exactly an innocent party either. It’d be a little different if we were calling virgins, whores. Personally, I disagree with outright misuse of any word. I think using the “colloquial terms” as an excuse to use a word as the opposite of its original meaning is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:49 AM
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Doesn’t matter. The root of the word still shames virgins. It also loses meaning because people have basically just equated it to “misogyny”. Saw a threat where someone called Andrew Tate an incel. It’s lost all meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:24 AM
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No guy gets “mad” about the first rejection. They get “mad” about the 5th one, the 10th one, or the 50th one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:59 AM
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Allow for a moment, a hypothetical. You’re a robber. You’re gonna rob someone. Who are you gonna rob? The guy walking by that looks homeless The blue collar worker A dude with $100 bills hanging out of his pocket where everyone can see them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:08 AM
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I don’t get what you can’t comprehend about not making yourself an obvious target.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:09 AM
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People in general are more lonely. It just hits men harder by that. I don’t think that suicide rate is very indicative of men handling it better either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:34 AM
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No one is saying “men”, as a whole, can’t control themselves. The point of saying to cover up a little or be more modest, is to not make yourself a target of the ill-intended. Those individuals are going to do what they want anyway. You just shine a spotlight on yourself when you dress provocatively. If being looked at bothers you, don’t go out of your way to stand out. If I walked into the gym in booty shorts, I’d get some weird looks. Mostly because I’m a larger, muscular, hairy man. Not becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:04 AM
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Yes. Let’s equate natural actions like “looking”, (which isn’t even an action, or a conscious one at that) to thought out and executed crimes. That’ll be a real productive conversation 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 12:56 AM
5

Because if they’ve tried what you’re suggesting, it’s likely been failing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:52 AM
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I’d rather she shave. But other than that, yeah I think I’m good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:50 PM
4

It’s pretty much that men are the same, but women have gotten far ahead of where they were. Yet, women still expect to find a man that brings more than them. All of this brings up a whole other conflict that a lot of women have, where they want an “equal” partner, yet won’t settle for less than a partner that’s superior to them in almost every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:45 PM
1

We all have to start somewhere. And the more you do it, the better you get if you’re actively trying
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:35 AM
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Lol women do have it easier. At least in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:32 AM
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It doesn’t matter whose fault it is. That’s not the question. And we don’t only value looks. We just value very few things, looks being one. You’re not the ultimate arbiter of what people should or shouldn’t value just because that’s what you value. I personally believe that people should care more about content of character than a job title or how exciting someone is. But that’s just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:27 PM
1

If women didn’t exist, men’s interests would be significantly different. We have to split right down the middle, and dedicate half of our free time (not including work) between what we want to do, and what we should be doing if we want to attract women, even though we may not care for it much; and simply tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 07:01 PM
3

You don’t need any of that as a woman to get a man. You can be comfortably in a relationship before you ever fully develop any of that. That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 06:57 PM
1

Legalized and regulated brothels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 06:53 PM
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It’s not that hard to spot most of the time. I’ve picked out two abusers shortly after my female friends told us about them. I got called racist for one, and just an asshole for the other. But oh, when it comes up a year later, I’m somehow still the asshole for being right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 04:17 PM
0

Most ideologies have good parts and bad. Listen and absorb what you find useful. Discard what you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 02:35 AM
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I understand. And I’m not saying women are wrong for what they want. But it is work. You also have to have hobbies and interests that are appealing to others, and sometimes purely for the sake of social interaction, even though you tolerate them more than actively enjoying them. It’s especially work in contrast to what women have to do for us to want them. Which is mainly just be pretty and not crazy. A man will date a pretty 18 year old and be perfectly fine with her growing within the relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 09:01 PM
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Because a guy doesn’t typically just exist and get attention from women. We need to come off as interesting and charismatic to a degree, which takes practice and, depending on the person, a certain degree of facing your fear and overcoming anxiety. Some women claim that’s nothing, yet wouldn’t do it themselves. You should be reasonably in shape if you have any sort of standards. This one varies depending on the guy. But you should try to be equivalently or more attractive than your standards for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:35 PM
1

Complimentary. I spend most of my time working and I’m not a particularly good cook. My partner likes to organize and cook, for example. I don’t really look for women that just do more of what I do. A common interest or two is good. But generally don’t care how they are outside the relationship, as long as they’re respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 05:55 PM
0

Not necessarily. But I’m just giving my two cents. I’m not going to debate saving a relationship, because 99% of Reddit will tell you to leave over any minor inconvenience. My point is that a man’s cheating can have literally nothing to do with how well he’s treated at home. A woman cheating has generally already checked out of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:17 PM
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So to clarify, morally, they’re equally bad. For the relationship, you can salvage it if the man cheats. Men’s default is “yes”. Literally all it takes for a man to cheat is a woman being hot and pushy enough. When a woman cheats, she’s generally emotionally invested. It’s over with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 05:29 AM
3

Kinda part of the sub
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:12 AM
4

I grew up around women and know plenty of them platonically. They’re not gonna keep huge chunks of their life from me because “I’m a man”. Especially when if the topic comes up, I’m open with my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:44 PM
7

To me? It means to be a gentleman. If I see it on a dating profile? Sounds like a big red flag. It implies you’ve been treated badly, and that somehow, I’m gonna have to make up for the mistakes of others. She’ll also be more on the lookout for things she didn’t like than things she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:48 PM
4

I don’t look for female friends, they find me. That’s the way it should be. If I had to approach you in a way that didn’t feel organic, I was trying to push something. If through circumstances or acquaintances, we develop a friendship, that’s entirely different. Your overall points about jealousy, both from yourself or potential partner, are pretty spot on in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:06 PM
3

“Worst she can say is no” proceeds to be removed from the building for “harassing” people
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:00 PM
5

I rarely see that level of hopeless commitment from women. However, most of the assholes that women complain about were hopeless romantics at a time. Sometimes bordering on obsessive. And being obsessive, leads to more commitment to romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:58 PM
0

And when every way is “incorrect”, then no way is incorrect. So men just start throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:49 PM
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Yes. Generally, anyway. Men will get stuck head over heels for a girl for literal years at a time. Usually more than once. Only after having our hearts ripped out and sufficiently crushed, do we mature, go through that villain arc, and hopefully even out at the end. But we’re never the same as we were. I do wish all the luck to my dudes that haven’t gone through that, and that your first good relationship is the last you’ll ever need.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:08 AM
2

Online dating is genuinely a cancer on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:55 AM
3

I got my heart ripped out, and no longer had to “act” like I didn’t give a fuck for the game, because I actually didn’t give a fuck about literally any woman on any dating app. Suddenly, they all started responding more often and more positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:47 AM
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There’s a time and place for everything. It’s possible to practice stoicism and still be passionate about things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:46 AM
1

3 years. And nah, I’m good. I’m not rich. But I don’t really care if she works. She makes home a happy place. That’s good enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:46 AM
3

Hmmm nah. That’s how my relationships have functioned. Those aspects weren’t problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:30 AM
1

Depends what you mean. I wouldn’t want a 1:1 female version of myself. I want a partner that covers my weaknesses and vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:42 AM
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Because thirsty mf’s don’t have the self control for it. Women set the dating market. Men adjust to it. That’s how we’re wired and always have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:49 PM
1

Weeeeeell, nothing that they want. And significantly less of it than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:47 PM
2

It’s your barrier for entry with 99% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:50 PM
1

We also like muscle mommies. So if you’re going to carry weight, make it muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:16 PM
1

Lol yeah, they’re found out after they’ve already succeeded. People don’t understand living in the gray.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:06 PM
1

That’s true. But, we only realize it as we mature. Some people do it quickly. Some people never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:01 PM
2

Honestly? It’s our parents and female friend’s fault. We spend our youth being told the the womanizer men are bad, and not to listen to them. But the advice or parents and female friends give is useless at best, and detrimental at worst. Then we spend our youth following this bad advice, and realize the “womanizer” was the one that knew how to get the women all along. That’s what men are really getting at when we say we were “lied to”. It’s just buried so deep, they don’t really know where they …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:47 PM
3

Still better than what ugly men get though. Which is actually nothing. So, there’s that. I can see why they’d say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:34 PM
1

Literally every point you made can be attributed to men “to a degree”. I think that’s where we get really lost in the conversation. I’ll use your first point as an example. “Men’s lack of success in dating is because women are too picky” There is a component of this that is men’s fault. You have to be good enough to be worth dating. No man takes the dude that’s 100lbs overweight, with poor hygiene, and a shit personality seriously when he says women are too picky. The problem is that guys that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:17 PM
1

Truly controversial. Commenting for later
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:02 PM
1

If a dude is squatting 500lbs, he’s doing something right. And you may learn something you’re doing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 01:37 PM
1

For the gym rats= either some form of inspiration, advice, critique, etc. Point is it may be something valuable or helpful. For the gram = clout chasing/promoting their brand using sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:46 AM
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Lol yeah, it does. Men at least make gym content for other gymrats. Insta-thots starting every single video with a shot of their ass, no matter what they’re actually working, are indeed, doing it for the gram.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:24 AM
1

This is a blazing hot take, and 100% factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:33 AM
1

Because male lifters usually aren’t posting thirst traps. It’s not uncommon for female influencers to link their OF on their posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:30 AM
2

OOF
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:28 AM
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On the one hand, yes, I agree that setting up a tripod to get the best angle of your asscrack is pretty ridiculous to see in a public space. On the other hand, as someone who works out alone, I regularly film my heavier sets to see where/how my form breaks down to figure out how to fix it. A lot of people do this. It’s a legitimately useful technique. Unfortunately, there’s no clear way to ban one and not the other. So I’ve just gotta say let it all remain free to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:28 AM
1

Probably not. The difference a generation ago is online dating and social media. It’s a cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:13 AM
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Whatever you say, oh wise random Redditor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:59 AM
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As a blue collar worker, who’s around mostly married men, I can tell you most of us do not care. Some of their wives have part time jobs. But not because their husbands want them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 08:27 PM
1

Well that’s simply not true. The things that make a man attractive for a woman are numerous. The things that make a woman attractive to men are very few, and most women have them, or could have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:28 PM
1

I believe the word you’re looking for is “neglect”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:01 PM
0

Name a dude that isn’t rich that’s pulling over 20% of their attempts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 06:48 AM
0

Because rejection sucks. I’m an above average dude. But my success rate face to face is still extremely low. I personally, just walk away. But the same way women get shitty if the 30th guy that week hits on them at the wrong time, dudes start to get shitty if you happen to be his 200th rejection in a row.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:49 PM
2

Well it is shallow. But you’re allowed to be shallow in dating. The problem comes from the hypocrisy. If you think it’s perfectly acceptable to reject people over height, but it’s not okay to reject people over weight, then you’re a hypocrite. If you’re consistent, it’s usually not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 10:33 PM
1

Short dudes can get ridiculously big and strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:20 PM
2

I’d say it’s both. Honestly, most people in general are unattractive, think they deserve better, yet believe they should be accepted as they are
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:25 AM
2

That is definitely a big difference between men and women. Women would rather their man go to a hooker, than have an emotional affair. Men are the exact opposite. Neither are good btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:00 PM
-1

Feel free to think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 10:58 PM
3

You’re confusing being humble with low self esteem. Being “humbled” is to bring your ego down. The higher you start, the lower you fall. If you start off generally realistic and humble, you’re more likely to have a better relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:40 PM
1

It worked for me. It just takes getting your heart ripped out enough times. Hookers don’t give you wife material. They’re meant for consistent post nut clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:02 PM
9

If you can’t get taller, get wider. Become a powerhouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:01 PM
0

Yeah. Overinflated standards will humble the fuck out of you in the end. That’s why promoting younger women to humble themselves before life does it for them is typically preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:31 PM
2

I could go on about how some people are just objectively more attractive than others, both in appearance and personality. But based on your other responses, you’re just being obtuse at this point. So I’ll just say “time”. When these women hold such high standards, that they die alone or end up in horrible relationships that they had to settle for, they’ll know. We can somewhat predict how our lives are gonna go based on our romantic interests. Whether we want to own up to it is another issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:13 PM
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I’m not even a “manosphere” fan. But most of them don’t even say “women are bad because they like _____”. They state what kind of woman they are based on what they pursue. I think the issue you’re conflating it with is what most women consider “average”, and what their bare minimum standards are. They’re the same metrics. But the problem is that they’re unreasonably inflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:37 PM
1

Not really. The trick is to play the field and literally stop giving a fuck. Treat them like a number. I wish it wasn’t that way. But that’s what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:13 PM
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Pretty much. Relationships are great. They’re work, sure. But you’re getting something back. Dating is shitty almost the entire time, if you’re actually looking for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 10:54 AM
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In short: Feminism? No. Feminazis? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:27 AM
2

Ngl, I’m projecting a little bit. Because most women absolutely do not give a fuck about young dudes having issues dating. You literally get the laziest “advice” imaginable and humble bragging “I wish I didn’t get all this attention. You’re the lucky one.” So it really is kinda funny when the tables start to turn a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:34 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:32 AM
2

Agreed. I’m 28. Oooooh what a difference passing 25 can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:14 AM
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They probably didn’t have much sympathy for him when he was having dating issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:14 AM
1

I’m sure everyone has heard the explanations at nauseam at this point. You either just accept them or you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:48 AM
0

That’s just because “red pill” took a lot of common sense thoughts to integrate into the, I suppose you could say more “extreme” viewpoints. A lot of redpill theory isn’t wrong. It’s just that the parts that are wrong, are very very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:51 AM
0

Because “success with women” is what we’re quite literally built for and motivated by. We have to do more, and our biology reflects that. We can’t just switch it off. Many men do stop pursuing women. But it takes a significant amount of emotional beat down to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:29 AM
2

That’s why projections say that by 2030, over half of women will be single and childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:12 AM
1

100% facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:55 AM
4

Yup always the man’s fault/s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:44 PM
4

Probably has something to do with that 50/50 chance of divorce and the 80%-90% chance it’s the woman that’ll start it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:35 PM
3

That’s a hot take I can agree with. I think the problem is when women decide to spend their best years hoeing around, then wanna settle down with their best years behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:31 PM
2

That piece of paper evidently doesn’t do you much good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:36 PM
2

You’re just mad you didn’t know what arbitrary meant. If I have to coerce you, I’m not bothering with you very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:22 PM
3

If it somehow never comes out in their personality, then I suppose it probably doesn’t matter. But that’s generally not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:16 PM
2

They are arbitrary. 1, 3, 5, 30 dates before sex. It doesn’t matter. There’s no magic, defined number. They’re picked at random. ar·bi·trar·y /ˈärbəˌtrerē/ adjective based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. "his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:58 AM
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Following women’s advice on dating will keep you single. The relationship advice after you’ve successfully made it past the first few dates is solid though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:57 AM
1

What are the things, and how do they conflict?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:00 PM
1

Because women want men to be emotionally understanding, and men want women to be upfront. Autistic people are generally more upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:55 PM
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We’ll warn a guy. But we’re also perfectly willing to let them make their own decisions and mistakes. Men also don’t actively hold contempt for the older woman, because she’s not making a bad move.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:52 PM
3

Yep. It’s a guessing game. And it usually comes down to your perception of yourself and your views. Best way to deal with it is just to talk about it. But there’s never a guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:39 PM
1

That’s the real play. Women love “adventures” if you have the area for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:37 PM
2

I’d agree. I’d just consider paying for the first date as “the price of admission” that most men are desperate enough to pay. And if some do it, then everyone is expected to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:27 PM
3

I’ve never met a man with any arbitrary “rules” around sex. Most women, on the other hand do have them, had them, or will have them at some point. I agree though. You can usually sus out the ones playing games pretty easily. And you get better at it with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:26 PM
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Men care about height. But our “ideal” range lands on average women’s height. I’m 6’2”. As long as your height starts with a “5” I couldn’t care less. The thing about height is that at a certain point, body proportions start getting weird looking. For men, that starts closer to 7’ and for women, it starts a little over 6’ imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:23 PM
5

You can generally pick up hints. You’re free to act on them whether you’re correct or not. People treat you how you act. If you act slutty, dudes will treat you like it. If you act wholesome, dudes will treat you like it. But the baggage tends to show fairly early on if you have much dating experience at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:14 PM
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They will though, when the alternative is being miserable and lonely. That’s why the risk mitigation, is quickly filtering out women based on how much they seem to like you. Which includes how long they’re making you wait on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:40 PM
2

You’re trying to tell men how to feel. That’s a pointless argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:26 PM
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“Cutting down your options” is pretty much a woman’s privilege. Men are happy to get about 50%-60% of what they want in a woman, if it means not being alone. I’m 6’2”, make good money, and have put a lot of work into my appearance and personality to be a better partner. I still have very limited options. The average guy has even less. Because every past relationship leaves a mark, good or bad, short or long.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:25 PM
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By saying “don’t pay for every date”, you’re essentially just saying don’t bother dating. Men don’t have many options to begin with. If you even suggest splitting the bill, go ahead and cut that number down to 5%, maybe 10% of their original options. And you may be right. It may be ego. But we also don’t care “why” you stopped breaking your own rules. Honestly, the more negative dating history you have, the bigger problem it is for us anyway, and more of a chance you’re still hung up on the guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:36 PM
2

Sex and intimacy are directly tied together when we actually want someone. It’s how we “feel” that you like us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:30 PM
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It’s because if you get the idea that she’s put out too fast up to that point, but she isn’t for you, there’s a much better chance she’s using you for free meals or something than testing you because she legitimately likes you. Men know women generally break their own rules for the guys they really like, and the make rules for the guys they don’t. Most of us with any dating experience have seen it firsthand multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:51 PM
2

Because contrary to popular belief, most men also crave intimacy. On top of that, sex work is still illegal, and it’s kinda gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:47 PM
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Me personally? Probably not. There was probably a time I would’ve though. That’s not the world we live in though. Men act the way they do about sex because of our access to it and the way women act about it. And women do the same. This isn’t a weird concept when you don’t try to equalize everything. Just treating men like men, and women like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:01 PM
4

This
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:29 AM
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Men and women aren’t the same and generally cannot be approached the same. Men aren’t bringing up sex generally, because they don’t want to scare a girl they like off, but they usually aren’t “withholding” anything if you made a move on them. They usually aren’t worried about scaring off a girl they just want for sex. Women withhold sex to “test” a guy. Guys dislike that because, from our perspective, you’re making us wait and put in the work for something you’ve just been giving away to dudes w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:27 AM
1

I think the problem is that most people don’t understand the concept of learning from others’ experiences unless they’re in an authority position. Parents used to be an authority, and they imposed that on their sons and daughters. The breakdown of the family dynamic has more or less ruined that. Women feel pressured to have a “hoe phase” as if they’re missing out on something. Which in turn, makes her a less desirable partner to most men that want a relationship and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:39 AM
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