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Now you’re hiding your idiocy behind sarcasm. Says the guy who needs it to be spelled out for him when something is sarcasm 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:34 AM
1

you 🤝 not understanding sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:30 AM
1

Yes, no one should ever push outside of their comfort zone or attempt anything challenging because there is a high risk of failure. Failure is terrifying. Do the safe and responsible thing by knowing your limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:05 AM
1

The fact that you think that going to a nightclub or a bar and flirting with chicks doesn't work says more about you than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:00 AM
1

learning game I guess you didn't read this part
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:55 AM
1

He can attempt to flirt with someone 10 times a night if he goes to a nightclub or a bar and it will teach him more about how to talk to women than getting friend-zoned in a hobby club.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:54 AM
8

The average guy is staying home and playing video games. Once again, "apex fallacy". The guy who is talking to women in a hobby club is not average, he is a Chad or a Chad-lite. The fact that you think he is average says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:48 AM
1

Bro, there is a 6 month limit in the scenario. He doesn't have time to sign up for hobby clubs and get friend-zoned. He has to go balls to the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:46 AM
6

No prize money unless he actually smashes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:44 AM
2

Time efficiency. People in a hobby class want to focus on their hobby. You don't have to pretend that you like a certain hobby to go to a bar, and there are more people who are just looking to hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:11 AM
1

If you don't want those CEO positions, I guess you can continue talking about how things should be instead of how they really are 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:54 AM
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women who are looking to socialize Once again, this is the oofy doofy approach. If you think that a chick is hot, you flirt with her regardless of the situation. That's how you get used to rejection so that you don't shit your pants every time you talk to a woman and build some serious game. If you are out of ideas, you can practice at the nearest nightclub or bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:52 AM
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That cute guy laughing with the yoga teacher before class? Not the assignment. The guy in the OP is "plain", not cute. A plain guy won't be "laughing with the yoga teacher before class", he will be ignored. This is the "apex fallacy" in action. You are seeing the guys who have somehow managed to make it work because they are naturally cute or have a natural aptitude for game. The guys who are struggling, you aren't noticing them. Not practicing game in the mirror or pumping iron alone. You pract…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:29 AM
-1

Because 92% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:18 AM
6

From a male perspective, none of this works. His main problem is that he is skinny-fat (and his job is not great either but it doesn't matter for a hookup). The best way he can get a date within 6 months is by putting on some lean mass so that he isn't skinny-fat anymore and learning game. Going to classes and asking people for help or recommendations not only wastes your time, but also puts you firmly in the oofy doofy zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:14 AM
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You don't, but don't complain when dudes go all-out and get all the CEO and political posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:09 AM
1

The average woman knew what the G Spot was Then why didn't they publish their findings? took credit for discoveries You can't claim a discovery if you don't publish your findings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:07 AM
-1

Weird that several of our female parts are named after dudes This is some funny shit because apparently women needed men to explain their anatomy to them 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:01 AM
-1

Why are the vast majority of politicians, and CEO’s men? Because you need to try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:00 AM
0

You can do it 👍 make her feel like the hero of a K-drama on a mission to save a troubled Chad from himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:29 PM
1

I just invent some bullshit drama to keep them entertained and then milk it for as long as possible. Cancel a date for seemingly no reason, act mysterious about it, refuse to explain yourself and then give her a tearful apology and promise to do better next time. Works every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:21 PM
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Automod because of the subreddit rules, you can't agree with the OP in the comments. Do you actually believe if women were bigger and stronger they would just beat men constantly? I don't know, and I'm not sure if I want to find out. There are a lot of really awful statistics about how women behave when they are in a position of power. Do you believe that men currently do that seeing as we are generally bigger and stronger than women? Obviously not. Once again, there are statistics that men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:12 PM
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The only thing protecting men from women is that men are generally bigger and stronger. If men were smaller and weaker than women, they would get cooked to the bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:41 PM
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That's not quite it. Women are selecting for drama potential. Musicians and athletes are not just cool, but are also an endless source of free entertainment and drama. Musicians on tour have groupies and hordes of female fans trying to sleep with them. Athletes are well-known for cheating on their wives and girlfriends. Women love the emotional roller coaster. The athlete dude is going to tearfully apologize and grovel before her and promise to do better next time. Then he will relapse and start…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:09 PM
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That, predictably, also didn't really answer my question The main gist of which was why women need to do men's jobs better than men I gave you my answer lmao As for the items on the list, I replied to the OP elsewhere here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:48 PM
4

Sort of. They are not strong enough for my liking. Replace every "should" with "must" and then I support every item on the list 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:46 PM
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Because you will never get what you want unless you outperform men. New competitors on the market don't succeed by being just as good as everyone else. They succeed by being savage risk-takers and taking things to the next level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:42 PM
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Doing the same jobs just as well means nothing? It doesn't mean anything if most of political and economic power is still held by men. Until at least 50% of political and economic power is held by women, you don't have equality in any real sense of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:35 PM
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I support women showing that they can outperform men through a combination of hard work, skill and a can-do attitude. Highly competent women do more to advance the cause of feminism than tens of thousands of whiny woke activists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:47 PM
2

Yea, and? Why are you assuming that she can't handle it? Also, why are you even assuming hormonal birth control? There are other methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:41 PM
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Once you start listening to the lies and seriously considering them, they already have you hooked. You avoid scammers by having a good understanding of the dating marketplace and spotting them before they even get the chance to start scamming you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:29 PM
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There are plenty of women who go to the gym and know how to control their weight. Don't have to be a bodybuilder for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:27 PM
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So how can you blame her for reevaluating and taking more time to vet men? She can, it just won't work. Either you have a strong business intuition and know when someone is trying to sell you snake oil, or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:21 PM
2

Yes, tell that to the people who are bulking to the point they can't even look at food anymore during off-season and then getting shredded back to normal weight in a matter of months.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:13 PM
2

Stacy goes to the gym so she isn't afraid of weight gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:07 PM
3

She isn't, she just knows how to use birth control so it isn't a concern for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 03:04 PM
2

On the one hand you have Becky, who will watch your every move like a hawk and screen you for problematic behaviors. On the other hand you have Stacy, who thinks you are cute and wants to bang you. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:57 PM
2

Okay, and? I'm educated on the topics that I find interesting or relevant. That's like... wow, maybe less than 1% of the sum of humanity's knowledge. I'm not a geologist, I don't know the mineral composition of volcanoes but I don't particularly care about it either. Demisexuality is the same for me. I don't care about it. I don't want to know about it. And I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over being uneducated about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:02 PM
2

How about no. If I want to read, I'm going to read fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:51 PM
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I don't deny that people can be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or even asexual. It's demisexual that I don't buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:48 PM
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It's not my concern what she did on her previous dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:44 PM
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Yea, I don't buy this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:42 PM
3

The rebuttal that "you need time to get to know someone" is stupid as well. People know immediately whether they find someone attractive or not. If she only starts to find you attractive after getting to know you, it means that her attraction towards you is conditional on your behavior and personality. What happens if you get into an argument later on? All couples have arguments eventually. She's gonna be pissed off at you and wonder why she's dating an ugly asshole loser like you in the first p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:51 AM
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You don’t get to be offended when that doesn’t work. I'm saving my time by not getting involved with women who don't find me attractive. Whether she wants to have sex on the first date or not is one of the best, if not the best, indicators of the level of interest. I have better things to do than going on dates with people who are lukewarm about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:23 AM
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It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:12 AM
0

Yea, her boyfriend was addicted to video games to the point of ignoring her for weeks at a time but there were no warning signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 10:10 AM
1

And yet the women on 2XC are complaining about how awful their boyfriends and husbands are all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:26 AM
1

😭😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:43 AM
1

They were literally having one in real time when they were watching lesbian porn and reacting to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:34 AM
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Being bisexual does not preclude having a lesbian phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:30 AM
2

No woman 'totally straight', study says.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:19 AM
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A bigger concern if you are trying to date as a guy is that women are the masters of bullshit. They lie and manipulate so much that you are better off assuming that AWALT for the sake of maintaining your own sanity. There are actual scientific studies about stated vs revealed preferences that back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:16 AM
2

A quarter of STRAIGHT women admitted to having lesbian sex. There's also a ton of straight women who haven't had lesbian sex but have kissed other women or watched lesbian porn. And then there's even more women who don't even identify as straight. Add all of this up and 51% of women have easily either had sex with other women, kissed other women or watched lesbian porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:10 AM
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Nah, it's all women. Women just present lists of demands and don't care if they are contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:52 AM
0

Quarter of straight women have had lesbian sex. "Lesbian" is also the most popular porn category among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:25 AM
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Humans beings (women included) are perfectly capable of being great friends who band together for one another. Capable, yes. Which makes it worse when they do sociopathic shit because you know that they can do better, they just don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:08 AM
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🤷‍♂️ many relationships don't last anyway. It seems to me like women want men who are both conservative and liberal at the same time. Attitude towards dating, liberal. Paying for the date, conservative. Doing household chores, liberal again. Doing macho shit, conservative again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:56 AM
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Not really. Unless you are arguing that there was a sweeping societal shift, there's no reason to believe that women won't date tradcon men in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:47 AM
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We don’t Not true at all. We had women publicly denouncing their tradcon boyfriends and husbands just a month ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:43 AM
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In the realm of dating at least No, it's everywhere. Women are borderline obsessed with social status games and will relentlessly try to shit on each other if they think that it will help them get ahead. Everyone who has female friends or works in a female-dominated environment knows this. The only time women will actually band together is when they are trying to shit on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:29 AM
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Don't date tradcon men, problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:18 AM
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🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:24 AM
0

The ones who are pushing the boundaries of what women can do instead of moaning about discrimination all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:07 AM
2

Not feminism, it's intersectionality and woke politics. Real feminists are chill. I wish they would take their movement back from the woke cultists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:42 AM
2

Tolerating woke activism it is then 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:44 PM
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I don't care what nature says. I want to date a super hot lady who is taller than me and is the CEO of a multibillion dollar international company.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:24 PM
-4

Yes, we are well aware of the fact. The global sex toy business is propped up entirely by women. Which is why it's so weird when some sucker gets slammed with a list of rules like having to go on an arbitrary number of dates before sex is on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:21 PM
2

Might surprise you but I don't like conservatism either. Conservative vs woke is like team sports but without any of the fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:10 PM
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Can I just date someone who is not into any of this conservative vs liberal shit instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:48 PM
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I don't think that empathy is the way to help other dudes. What worked for me was making "stop being a damn pussy and get your shit together" my motto. Yea yea it's probably toxic as shit but I'm not a psychology major. I know that it worked for me so it might work for someone else too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:47 PM
1

If they genuinely find you attractive, their political views don't stop them from having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:30 PM
1

Yes, it's a toolbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:28 PM
3

Yea, no. It's blatantly obvious when someone finds you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:27 PM
0

Yea we are just running into the problem that a lot of relationships tend to be shitty. I don't think it's good, but what can you do? For me, the red pill is a way to protect yourself from shitty relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:20 PM
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Dating someone who already wants to have sex with you on the first date is a really good way to avoid being scrutinized because they have already decided that they find you attractive. No need to jump through any extra hoops.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:17 PM
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What they don't like is women choosing "bad boy alphas" who are obvious bad boys. There are different kinds of "bad boys". There's the "punk rocker who is also a solid dude" kind of bad boy. There's also the "abusive asshole" bad boy. No one should choose the abusive asshole because that shit is toxic. But settling for the oofy doofy beta provider is also a toxic relationship dynamic. In my opinion, women should date men who genuinely make them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:06 PM
1

!!!??? just a couple of hours ago I said that the wall doesn't even exist for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:00 PM
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I don't even like sex and honestly being in a relationship with a woman who also doesn't like sex would make things way easier for me. Nevertheless, contrary to all the virtue signalling, most women really do like sex. And yes, if my options are being scrutinized by someone or staying home and playing video games, I'm picking video games every single time. I don't get paid for this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:57 PM
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My position is: every woman should be able to get a relationship her dream guy. I don't think this is shitting on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:51 PM
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There is no "logical" TRP position because the red pill is not an ideology. Red pillers are free to have their own views on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:39 PM
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I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm going to be happy for you regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:32 PM
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Congratulations! I'm happy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:30 PM
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Want me to congratulate you? Get yourself an alpha Chad who treats you like a queen and is also all-around a genuinely nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:25 PM
0

It solves some problems but causes other problems, but I think it's a net positive overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:18 PM
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You should be thankful for the privilege of being allowed to be the oofy doofy beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:11 PM
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Do you want to do the former or the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:01 PM
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I could be lifting in the gym instead, or playing video games or watching Netflix. I'm not going on a job interview (like another poster has suggested here) with someone who has not yet decided whether they find me attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:51 PM
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Agreed. That's why women deserve to date men (or women) whom they find attractive enough to pass risk assessment and have sex with on the first date. Men deserve to date women (or men) who find them attractive enough to pass risk assessment and have sex with on the first date as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:41 PM
-3

The best way to avoid making negative assumptions about an entire group of people is to have more exposure to different groups of people. It's the opposite. The longer you spend interacting with people, the more asshattery you will encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:34 PM
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No, the problem is different. Sex should not be used as a form of control in a relationship. If two consenting adults want to have sex with each other, they should have sex with each other after clearly communicating about it and setting boundaries and expectations. Making a guy (or a woman for that matter) go on an arbitrary number of dates before sex is on the table already establishes a toxic dynamic in the relationship from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:17 PM
1

When advertising their OnlyFans, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:25 PM
-1

Women chickening out whenever challenged on lying is also an "yes all women" behavior 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:21 PM
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20% vs 100% of women being masters of bullshit and saying one thing while meaning a wholly different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:16 PM
0

Not directly comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:11 PM
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We aren't all telling guys one thing and then doing another. When all guys have the exact same experiences with women over and over again, it's not random anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:06 PM
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I think the issue here is that there are a LOT of women and preferences vary hugely between women. They don't. Women just like different kinds of Chads. Chad with a sports car, punk rock Chad, movie star Chad, country Chad, Chad Chad. All of these Chads are jacked and have lots of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:49 PM
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No, it's a women-centric solution that's being peddled to men for some reason. Women don't want actual solutions to most of their problems because they think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Therapy is just them paying someone to nod along and validate their bullshit. In essence it's "No, you aren't actually fat. You are being oppressed by arbitrary beauty standards 😂". Men want actual solutions, like a coach who screams at you to get your lazy ass off the couch and go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:03 PM
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It is why they are so bad at advice on how to approach and chat to women when logically they would be experts. Just read some lesbian forums. All the proof that you need that they don't actually know how to talk to women lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:53 PM
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Yes, it's well-known that the field of psychology is full of dubious science and outright sorcery. We also know that woke activists hate anything that isn't self-hatred and cuckery for men. "Stop being a pussy and get your shit together" is the best advice on mental health that you'll ever get as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:24 PM
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Because it’s common sense and we underestimate the amount of emotionally constipated males that are out there. Again, what does this even mean? Do you want to watch a sad movie and have a crying session together?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:51 PM
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As far as I can tell, the "preemptive drama theory" is basically right that women want you to entertain them in a relationship. She wants her relationship to be like a K-drama so that she can gossip about it with her friends. You're supposed to come up with some emotional bullshit so that she can feel like the hero of the story by saving you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:44 PM
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Yes, I agree. That's why it would be great if women were straightforward about what they want from an LTR instead of only hinting at it or trying to make someone play guessing games.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:24 PM
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So if I plan dates and buy jewelry for her, it counts as an LTR? That's it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:16 PM
2

Yes, and I still don't understand what exactly you want from an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:13 PM
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It's hard enough to understand what women want from a casual relationship as it is, let alone an LTR. Relationships typically require people to be vulnerable and invest into the person. What does this even mean? If you want money to buy something, just say so. Don't overcomplicate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 12:07 PM
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Being hot does nothing if you are eating crap and binge drinking all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:00 AM
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As far as I can tell, you are insinuating that I'm being hypocritical. I'm simply stating that you don't need my opinion when you can look up pictures of real couples and confirm for yourself that obese women can get relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:58 AM
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If you don't believe me, you can go on any subreddit where couples post their pics and there will be metric shit tons of couples where the lady is morbidly obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:49 AM
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Truly hot people are born, and the bulk of your character, personality and the way you approach intersexual dynamics is formed during puberty when literally nobody takes gym seriously, let alone grind it hard for aesthetics. This is some hardcore incel bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:48 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:19 AM
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No, the ones with the biggest egos are the averages ones who think they are 10/10. Truly hot people at least have a work ethic because they go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:24 AM
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AWALT. Might as well date the hot ones if they are all the same anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:17 AM
1

although that doesn't change your mind Why not though? Would you or at what age would you tell your children about the reason for the divorce Don't have to explain anything if there was no divorce in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:44 AM
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No, but there are plenty of dudes who would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:22 AM
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You are describing the top 10% of men who only care about the top 10% of women and ignoring the other 90% of men who really will fall in love with any woman who's above the bottom 10% as long as she is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:57 AM
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If you aren't trying to date Chad, there is no "wall".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:25 AM
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A man will fall in love with a woman just because she was nice to him. A lot of the red pill is geared towards helping men not become insufferable simps the moment they get even a little bit of attention from women. Even a morbidly obese chick can easily get a dude who will adore her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:59 AM
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You said it yourself. If you are a woman, you get everything that is traditionally expected in a relationship. If you are a man, you should be thankful for the opportunity to provide for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:00 AM
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Not his problem anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:38 AM
-3

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:38 AM
0

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:28 PM
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He provides for me 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:48 PM
4

I don't entirely disagree, but then it's also wrong for her to go snooping through his phone when he starts to look for sex elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 05:58 PM
1

Alright, what's your definition of niceness and being good then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 05:56 PM
2

Of all the things to disagree with, you choose to go after something as self-evident as the idea that there are different degrees of asshattery.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:40 PM
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🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:36 PM
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There are different degrees of asshattery. Talking shit online is not even close to being comparable to being an asshole in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:16 PM
-2

There is a very simple definition of what a real man is. If other men consider you to be a real man, then you are a real man. Otherwise you are a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:12 PM
7

Quote me where I define "nice" or "good" in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:06 PM
4

Then the infamous “Im a nice guy and gentleman”. but then gets very angry when its not rewarded with pussy and then goes on sexist rants about how women love being abused. This is not how any of this works. Talking shit online is one of the most harmless things you can do. Actually being an asshole towards someone in-person is completely different. Women regularly date assholes and then take all of their frustrations out by punching down on some random dudes who are complaining about being rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:00 PM
-1

I don't get what's wrong with toxic masculinity. Most male interests tend to be competitive and competition is always a bit toxic. "Toxic masculinity" sounds like a buzzword to shame men for being manly. Like all of you talking about wanting to be weak and wanting to cry... what the hell?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:49 PM
7

Why in the absolute shit would anyone ever want to be vulnerable? If you identify a vulnerability in yourself, you fix it instead of making it a part of your identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:21 PM
1

But rest assured, 95% of the general public is not as emotionally developed as you are, and they commonly do this. You mean: people these days have a mental breakdown over an out-of-order coffee machine at the local Starbucks. Emotional "awareness", "vulnerability" and "development" has led to people losing their shit and being ruled by their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:13 PM
2

Yes, going to the gym is awful. You should be repeatedly digging up past trauma in an attempt to "heal" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:06 PM
-2

Yeah lots of whiners and posers who would rather moan all year long instead of going to the gym, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:46 PM
1

Common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:45 PM
-6

On the contrary, this is exactly how you solve all of those problems. When you are lifting heavy, you realize that everything else is trivial bullshit that doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:36 PM
-2

The average dude sits on his ass all day long, eats crap and doesn't have a healthy sleep schedule, all of the things that cause testosterone to collapse. Don't need to be an expert when the problem is that obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:11 PM
-5

Most dudes have a problem with chronically low testosterone levels and not enough physical activity. If you are lifting in the depths of hell like Dr. Mike Israetel, you don't have time for any of that emotional shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:06 PM
0

Oh, so you’re not pussy whipped if you bully her and never let her have anything she wants. Your words, not mine. Has this worked for you? Always putting myself first has been a wildly successful strategy for me, and not just in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:54 PM
4

You tell me, you are the one who's posting bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:47 PM
0

What does hold frame mean? In simple terms it means not letting someone turn you into a doormat. Also, why do you lecture on the proper way to have relationships when you’re alone and rejected? Whatever helps you sleep better at night!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:45 PM
10

Fellas, this is bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:41 PM
-1

If you hold frame, you can stay in a committed relationship without becoming a pussy-whipped cuck. Doesn't mean that she won't stop trying to turn you into one though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:40 PM
1

That's standard alpha and beta stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:36 PM
2

Holy shit it's a bundle that's marketed towards business clients. His books are like $2 on Amazon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:36 PM
2

use and discard them and hold them in contempt. That's what women do to pussy-whipped cucks lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:33 PM
2

He sells some books. Your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:30 PM
2

It's absolutely bonkers that you are taking an issue with people using their skills and knowledge to earn money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:25 PM
1

Capitalism is a new and exciting concept for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:22 PM
1

I guess everyone is a grifter if you try hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:15 PM
5

2002: Outstanding Contributions Award from the National Association of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapists, for "outstanding contributions & dedication to the theory and practice of cognitive behavioral psychotherapy." "Grifter" lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:07 PM
3

How DARE you talk to people 😡
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:43 PM
3

It's a tale as old as time. Red pilled Chad finds his NAWALT unicorn and goes on to denounce the red pill. Other red pillers tell him to stop being a pussy-whipped cuck. Several months later he is red pilled again. The red pill only exists in the first place because men tend to idealize women to an unhealthy degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:09 PM
1

Let's frame it differently: would you condone a population-wide augmentation that would remove fear of loneliness and rejection from people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:54 PM
2

Not really. Red pillers are just bullshitting each other to appear more macho. On the other hand blue pillers seem like they genuinely believe that men only care about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:51 PM
3

Yea, they are saying that to appear cool and macho. No dude will ever admit that he is attracted to a woman because of her personality because it will make him look like a pussy, especially in manosphere spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:30 PM
23

When guys say a woman looks good, it seems to mean he is actively attracted to her. This is not the case for women. For most women, it’s not that we think people are “ugly” or “top ten face card models.” It’s simply that until something “sparks” we don’t… feel much of anything at all. It's the same for men. "Men only care about looks" is a blue pilled narrative that's being peddled by people who want to feel like their attraction is morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:25 PM
4

It depends on a case-by-case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:05 PM
1

Common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:42 AM
1

Flip those numbers around and they are more accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:38 AM
1

Calm doesn't mean nice. And no, nice problem solvers don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:57 PM
1

Yes. If you are a savage problem solver, you don't have time to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:51 PM
7

Yeah yeah whatever helps you sleep better at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:49 PM
6

Having sex on the first date is not the same thing as having dozens of previous sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:42 PM
3

Nope. Still not doing that. I don't want any of that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:39 PM
1

Anything from a leaky pipe in the house to major family drama. Nice people aren't equipped to handle stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:37 PM
12

A romantic relationship is more than the sum of its parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:13 PM
11

I have better things to do than wasting my time on a date with someone who is not attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:11 PM
2

Once again: I want a super hot lady who is taller than me and is the CEO of a multibillion dollar international company. The "nice" girl and the drama queen are both equally bad. The "nice" girl will just start losing her shit and making everything worse if there's an actual challenge that you have to handle as a team.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:07 PM
7

Apply this logic to anything else. Let's take movies for example. Yea we all know that "it gets better, bro" happens. But that's not an excuse for the first act to be shit. It's just that the second act makes up for a lackluster beginning. Unless you are making a subversive arthouse movie, no one sets out with the goal of making a movie with a shitty beginning. If there is no chemistry on the first date, you are already screwing up really badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:45 PM
13

This post is bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:38 PM
0

Obscure heavy metal band from the 90s that has like 1000 fans worldwide in total and they just so happen to be one but can't name a single song or even an album. Yea, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:42 PM
1

This is not what actually happens. Sex itself is almost never the problem. It's just that sex is when you find out if a woman is an out-of-control sex/porn addict who tries to force you to do freaky shit. After sex is also when women tell you that they have depression, bipolar disorder and pop antipsychotic meds like tic tacs. Most guys don't want any of that shit so they run away as fast as possible before women can hurt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:06 PM
3

Do you know what else they identified as mental disorders and how they treated them 100 years ago? lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:33 PM
2

Another day of women not just misunderstanding men, but maliciously misinterpreting everything in the worst way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:20 PM
-2

It literally doesn't matter. Lots of money in the bank account = successful relationship. Broke = fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:18 PM
9

This is outdated info. These days it's women who want sex on the 1st date, not men. Stay frosty, fellas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:12 PM
1

I couldn't care less if someone lies to me as long as it's convincing or at least interesting. Most conversations are inconsequential so it doesn't make a difference either way. Lying about something that is blatantly not true is just amateurish though. My only takeaway from those conversations is that they don't have a problem with lying but are also terrible at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:26 PM
1

You could discriminate against men in every way imaginable and they would still find a way to succeed against all odds. Of course they don't want to be discriminated against, but discrimination is not going to stop them from reaching their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:02 AM
1

Lmao, men don't give a shit. You can discriminate against men in every way conceivable and they would still end up succeeding against all odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:47 AM
2

They can. Woke politics, DEI and #MeToo are all on their way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:40 AM
1

Not really. We are already at a point where women abused that card so much that no one gives a shit anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:37 AM
2

Pressing false charges is also a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:32 AM
0

I don't know and honestly I don't care to know. I just set my expectations that sometimes they are going to randomly lie about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:59 AM
-3

Example: I was talking with a friend about diets and she claimed to like all of the same foods that I do but couldn't name a single brand. Had to quickly pivot away from that conversation because it was turning awkward as shit. Another example: another friend claimed to like all of the same bands that I do but couldn't name a single song. I've had this pattern repeat so many times that I don't even like talking about my interests anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:43 AM
3

There are interesting differences in how they socialise in groups and discuss things, but TRP has no explanatory power beyond the trivial. One of the things that practically all women do is lie about petty, inconsequential shit. It's genuinely baffling when they lie about things that just don't matter and when you confront them about it, they either say that they were lying to "protect someone's feelings" or that they were "speaking their truth". And feminist narratives will tell you that you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:22 AM
5

It just so happens to be coupled to a fallacious and dehumanising view of “how women really are” And this is what I try to push back against. Men get red pilled by women, not other men. Most of red pill observations about women are really obvious as soon as you start to spend some time being friends with women. The red pill is just confirmation that they really are like that and you're not just going insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:04 AM
-1

"Normal female behavior" is apparently resorting to slut-shaming as soon as someone is actually honest. 10 is not even that high but I guess anything over 1 or 2 is heretical because it goes against the feminist agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:58 AM
3

It's not a matter of belief. Most of my friends are women. My best friend is a woman. 10 is an extremely conservative estimate based on all the random shit they've told me about. Honestly, I couldn't care less if it's really 20, 30, 40 or even 100. It's the hypocrisy that annoys me. Women get mad because guys like looking at sexy women in video games and the occasional lesbian porn movie. Meanwhile most women behave in a way that would get a guy labeled as a sex addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:35 AM
-4

Mayyyybe it’s 1-2 partners if even that. Try 10-20. They aren't "lying" per se because they genuinely believe that most of their sexual encounters don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:37 AM
2

The average woman who is sexually scribe has like 4 partners total between ages 18-45. That they admit. Then they have had several one night stands that "don't count". Also several FWBs that "don't count". Most of them have also had a lesbian phase that "doesn't count".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:34 AM
-1

I'm in the fitness community and still never heard of him. Way to tell on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:31 AM
-1

I understand that men are polygynous. The average women has metric shit tons of sexual partners compared to men. sex crazed Most of porn and other NSFW content is produced by women, such as NSFW stories on AO3, pornographic art on Tumblr and miscellaneous pornographic content on OnlyFans and social media. Women also watch a lot of porn and most of it is freaky hardcore shit. The global sex toy industry is propped up entirely by women. hypergamous lol vengeful Feminists don't even attempt to hide…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:28 AM
1

It's not. It was a reaction to women shitting on men 24/7 for years and years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:21 AM
1

Whatever channel you just named is still a fringe minority. The most respected influencer in the fitness community is a fringe minority, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:19 AM
6

The original red pill is a fringe minority, yes. But dudes who realize what's going on with dating and women are now in the majority. Channels with millions of subscribers like Renaissance Periodization regularly repeat red pill talking points despite having nothing to do with the original red pill. In the end, most of red pill is based on simple observations that anyone can make themselves. It doesn't require complicated theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:15 AM
-3

Also what women produce on OF is not indicative of what they like. They make that content to sell to men. Yes, men are to blame for women constantly pushing the boundaries of how freaky porn can get. It's totally not because they enjoy it. Lily Phillips is not a sex and porn addict, she's a victim of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 11:27 PM
-1

And yet women are driving the metrics for the most freaky categories. And Pornhub doesn't even account for all of porn. There's plenty of porn even on social media platforms like Instagram. Men just watch porn. Women write metric shit tons of porn on AO3. Women draw metric shit tons of porn on Tumblr. Women post metric shit tons of homemade porn on OnlyFans and social media. And a lot of it is extremely hardcore shit that's indicative of a fully cooked to the bone porn addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 11:05 PM
4

Lmao. It's very telling how pissed off women get when you point that they are lying their asses off about not watching porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:53 PM
-7

The average dude just watches lesbian porn. Wow, so spicy! There are now stats that women watch more porn than men and that the porn that they watch is actually of the freaky hardcore variety. The perception that dudes watch freaky shit is pure projection on the part of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 09:06 PM
50

I want a super hot lady who is taller than me and is the CEO of a multibillion dollar international company.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 08:22 PM
11

Their fantasies are freaky. The average dude is very normal compared to most women. You can look up some NSFW works on AO3 that are written by women for women if you want nightmares.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 08:16 PM
6

Few men will admit that they don't want the plain, average girls who would accept them and cherish them for their personality Those plain, average girls are settling for an oofy doofy beta provider because they couldn't get commitment from the Chad with a six pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:20 PM
0

It's also an undeniable truth that a lot of guys are complete pussies. The "I need to be in a relationship" mindset leads straight to becoming the oofy doofy beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:01 PM
2

And it's not like fat people don't know they're fat, so is telling them what they already know doing any good here? You actually need to repeat it several times before it becomes effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:59 PM
13

The trouble is that for women, virtue signalling is more important than honesty. Few women will ever admit that a six pack is more important than personality so guys end up being completely clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:57 PM
2

You don't have to answer this if you don't wanna, because I'm honestly just curious from what you've said: Do you think, if the technology were better, you would prefer an AI girlfriend that you could "adjust" the behavior of, as needed? Absolutely not. If we look at the technology that will be available in a couple of years, it's no different from reading a visual novel with a more literal self-insert protagonist. If we look at sci-fi technology with self-aware AI, forcing a self-aware AI to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:28 PM
10

I'm not sure you'll be able to understand how important love is in a relationship. No, I really don't get it. Personally, I get satisfaction from getting the best possible outcome in every situation. In a relationship, the best possible outcome would be that both partners are loved exactly the way that they want to be loved. With genuine love, there's a lot of shit that can go wrong. Like maybe there's a mismatch of love languages. Or maybe one of the partners falls out of love. I'm working with…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:52 PM
6

If you have to manipulate someone into “loving you”, they don’t actually love you. You’ve manipulated them into thinking they do. Is there a difference? The outcome is the same. And if you’re comfortable manipulating your partner like that, I don’t see how you can claim to love them. Do I need to? From their point of view, the outcome is also the same. What on earth makes you think that’s a healthy relationship?? Everyone is happy. That's a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:43 PM
4

What it doesn’t get you is a healthy relationship with someone you love and who loves you back. This is exactly what you can get by being an asshole. There are different kinds of assholes and the dudes who just rage all the time and throw insults left and right are amateurs. Professional assholes lie and manipulate in a way that makes other people like them. The most successful assholes are the ones who are adored by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:22 PM
7

Being an asshole and hard work are not mutually exclusive. In fact, being a hard-working asshole is probably the best combo to achieve personal success. More importantly, science says that women find dudes with dark triad personality traits more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:02 PM
1

Even easier, just don't do that emotional shit. It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:39 AM
7

As per usual, you gotta dig a little deeper when people come up with these bizarre takes to figure out what's really going on. Turns out that she likes various types of Chads and bad boys with issues. Chads predictably don't like doing household chores. A story as old as time. Also pretty sure she's yet another lesbian in denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:46 AM
9

You can always go to the gym and make more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:37 PM
18

How is this bad? The earlier you realize that you need to improve your value, the happier you will be in the long run. The misguided "I am happy the way I am" narratives can only work for so long before reality claps back. The best time to get off your ass and start working is right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:17 PM
2

It's shitty. It's horrible. It's a crushing and oppressive feeling, but it's reality. It's not. You become stronger and stop thinking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 04:43 PM
6

Complains about men draining resources, says that she is a spoiled girl 5 minutes later. 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 03:30 PM
0

It's an illustration of the fact that the standards for how naked you can be are already way more lax for women than men. In professional settings women can go 40% naked and it will still work just fine. In non-professional settings they can go 90% naked. Men can sometimes show their nipples. But apparently this is not acceptable for women and they won't be satisfied until they are able to go complete nude everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 03:09 PM
0

Not directly comparable. It's socially acceptable for men to be shirtless in some situations but there's not a whole lot of them. It's socially acceptable for women to show cleavage in almost any situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 02:45 PM
0

That's not what we are talking about though. When they start to insist on a particular dynamic and associate it with bizarre fantasies, that's the influence of porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:45 AM
0

Pornographic fiction has existed since forever. Porn is not just about videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:36 AM
-1

They are both addicted to porn. It's a well-established fact that consuming pornographic content cooks you to the bone. The reason why they like increasingly more bizarre categories of porn is both complex and simple. Complex because studying the underlying processes could be an entire field of science. Simple because we all know why anyway: they have been deep-fried by porn. You're better off just shrugging and moving on lest the porny demons get to you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:29 AM
–

Why are you looking at these things as mutually exclusive? They want a rich Chad. A poor Chad or a rich oofy doofy are just consolation prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:09 AM
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Most women date and marry men of lower physical attractiveness. They settle for the oofy doofy beta provider because they can't get commitment from the alpha Chad. Hell, studies have shown that women are happier when they are with husbands less handsome than them. It's an attempt to make themselves feel better about not being able to get commitment from the alpha Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:05 AM
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That's not quite it. They simply want you to be better than them. If you don't have the status, you can make up for it with looks. If you don't have the looks, you can make up for it with status. Personality is less important but can help to some extent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:59 AM
2

This is so stupid. Muscles are an advantage only if you are alone in a dark forest but instead of a bear, a strange woman decides to attack you. In 99.9% of cases, you can't even raise your voice and tell a woman to back off because she's going to flip the script on you and say that you are the one who is harassing her. If you are in a bar and some strange woman decides to sexually harass you, your only defense is to run away. If you are at work and a female coworker decides to sexually harass y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 04:55 AM
1

always have to charge down the slippery slope. Rich considering how hard women are trying to normalize public nudity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:50 PM
0

The feminist utopia is apparently being able to walk around naked. One of the biggest self-owns yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:12 PM
1

There are many tribes where it's completely normal for the women to be topless. Good thing we don't live in a tribe. Civilized people wear clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:06 PM
5

The men that get away with doing “whatever they want” are usually providing something outside of being hot. Or at young guys dating equally young women who are just entering into full adulthood. Yes, they are also providing drama. Being bored is the worst thing that can happen in an LTR, worse than not doing the dishes or forgetting someone's birthday. The hot guy with an awful personality is a potentially endless source of drama and entertainment. The guy who cooks once a month and promises to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:38 PM
-2

Because he's hot, simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:08 PM
6

The possibility that he might become interested at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:03 PM
1

Can we just call this what it is? Public exhibitionism. Good thing there are still people with common sense pushing back against this bullshit. They are treating it like a hobby because they know that it's never going to stick. They just want the drama and free entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:38 PM
5

We want to protect them. Foxes guarding the hen house lmao 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:30 PM
3

Yes. If he starts to help her with chores, she might actually decide that he is an oofy doofy beta provider and lose attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:06 PM
4

[The Dark Triad personality: Attractiveness to women] (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245) Women rated the high DT character as significantly more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:42 PM
6

Works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:31 PM
4

Red pill basics. Women love drama. Having an awful personality and refusing to do household chores is an endless source of free drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:26 PM
0

Fellas, prepare for a torrential downpour of red pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:19 PM
4

If anything, it works even better in an LTR because it keeps the excitement going even after the honeymoon phase is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:09 PM
-5

Not how this works. If anything, an awful personality is a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:04 PM
-4

If you forget to go to the gym, yes. As long as you stay hot, it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:58 PM
1

Sounds about right to me. If you're hot enough, she will tolerate you just playing video games and watching Netflix all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:12 PM
1

Lmao one of the posters there caught her ex-husband going on Grindr 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:51 PM
1

Terrifying, but not for us. Being so damn stupid must be terrifying for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:08 PM
4

It sounds extremely unnatural and forced. Like someone tried to come up with an affectionate nickname but ran out of creativity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:02 PM
1

It sounds extremely unnatural and forced. Like something an alien would say while trying to blend in with humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:00 PM
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No way, addressing your husband as "husband" is beyond cringe. Introducing someone as your husband is ok though. Only "hubby" is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:48 PM
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How would someone's parents even go about explaining it? "Billy, you gotta become an oofy doofy beta provider and simp for some chick when you grow up"? It's borderline impossible to even get kids to do their homework.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:41 AM
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You're way overestimating how much parents are actually able to influence their kids. Kids mostly care about toys, snacks and avoiding homework, not complex social behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 08:39 AM
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This is so stupid. You know the teenage rebellion phase when kids figure out that the adults are mostly bullshitting them? You can have the entire might of the education system trying to tell kids what to do and it still doesn't work. Most men have a more obvious problem: chronically low testosterone levels that turn them into pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 08:03 AM
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If this is the case, then how do religious people who don't believe in sex outside of marriage date in Western Europe? They are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:06 AM
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A good guide to what men want are peagants and beauty contests Just like women, most men fail terribly at articulating what they actually find attractive. compared to an average beauty queen? The average beauty queen is a faker and a fraud. Most people are so accustomed to bland TikTok "models" that they have no frame of reference for what a genuinely attractive woman looks like. But if you compare those frauds with someone who has been lifting and eating healthy for decades, you can immediately…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:15 PM
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she will always be "less valuable" than a woman in her 20s with the same values. Do you know many women with those values? If you go to the gym and do actual strength and hypertrophy training instead of the typical TikTok influencer bullshit, you are already in the top 1%. If you add a hobby that's not just activism or Starbucks, you are in the top 0.1%. Add one more positive trait of your choice and you have practically no competition anymore. Women start with a high value in the dating market …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:48 PM
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That's why you don't commit. Date for fun but don't expect anything serious. If it's meant to be, it will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:36 PM
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That's not exactly what the red pill says. "Unicorns" do exist but they are so incredibly rare that you are better off assuming that AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:33 PM
2

The black pill is just a repackaged blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:42 PM
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These are not the same groups of men. Some men only want sex, others really do want companionship and emotional intimacy. The complaints about feeling lonely tend to come from the latter group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:54 PM
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These are two different groups of dudes though. Yea there's a lot of red pillers who are scared of commitment but they are not going around and complaining about feeling lonely. The dudes who are complaining about feeling lonely tend to be disappointed blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:37 PM
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Sounds like there's going to be a lot of drama regardless of my reaction and I'm going to somehow be at fault anyway. I'm going to preemptively exile myself to the couch and do all of the cooking, cleaning and other household chores for a month and hope for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:12 PM
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Who is actually making this argument? Most dudes who say that they are feeling lonely want companionship and emotional intimacy first and foremsot, not sex. I only see the "men literally want only one thing and it is disgusting" narrative from blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:00 PM
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Rich of you to assume that I would care enough to remember who her tattoo artist was in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:22 PM
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Supermodel doesn't necessarily mean super attractive, it means a good physique for modeling clothes. Most of these women are very average or slightly above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:18 PM
2

Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:49 PM
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Fellas, prepare yourselves for a torrential downpour of red pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:48 PM
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You can literally google several rich, successful dudes and see it for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:41 PM
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Most "trophy wives" are really, really average at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:25 PM
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It's actually the average women who have massive egos and don't want to split the bill. Attractive women either split the bill or even just treat you to a date and pay for the entire thing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:25 AM
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Asking the wrong questions here, bro. With technology this advanced, society will change in profound and unpredictable ways. Relationships and dating as we know them today might not even exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:15 AM
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Bro you need to hold frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:17 PM
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So what? What does it matter what other people tell you? You know the teenage rebellion phase when kids figure out that adults are mostly bullshitting them? If you scroll through her TikTok page, it's blatantly obvious what's going on. She's struggling with alcoholism. She's struggling with ADHD. She has some bullshit drama with her in-laws. She needs a gym membership and a fitness coach, not more "decentering" or "unmeshing".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:42 PM
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She's blaming society for telling her to focus on men (what the hell?) and her husband for her midlife crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:25 PM
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Decentering is stupid as shit because you can't self-improve by reassigning blame to other people. Self-improvement is uncomfortable and requires discipline. Just saying "yeah none of it is my fault, it's other people who are to blame" is the opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 03:12 PM
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It's still an important distinction to make because if you want to protect yourself from assholes, you need to be able to recognize asshole behaviors in both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:58 PM
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Since when did being an unlikable person has anything to do with gender? Asshole behaviors manifest differently in men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:48 PM
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Gender Differences in Personality Traits Across Cultures: Robust and Surprising Findings differences are replicated across cultures for both college-age and adult samples, and differences are broadly consistent with gender stereotypes: Women reported themselves to be higher in Neuroticism, Agreeableness, Warmth, and Openness to Feelings, whereas men were higher in Assertiveness and Openness to Ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:46 PM
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Women score higher in neuroticism and agreeableness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:25 PM
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Some behaviors are correlated with gender. It's a feeling of "not this shit again" whenever something like that happens and people adamantly refuse to point out the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:29 PM
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Expecting real life to be like that highlight reel of casual fun times 24/7 is actually delusional. It's not delusional. In my experience, there are plenty of people who are able to either deal with whatever is causing them stress right away or come up with an action plan if the problem can't be solved immediately. That's it, no more stress. On the other hand you have people who want to milk the shit out of stress and won't give it a rest until it becomes everyone else's problem as well. Not all…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:40 AM
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Do you have the exact same dynamic with your boss as you do your mom or children or neighbor? My boss signs my paychecks. The expectation here is that if you are not signing my paychecks, I'm not going to put up with any drama or anyone trying to cause me an additional headache. I ignore them until they leave me alone and go away. Don't get into LTRs and expect the exact kind of relationship as a casual one then. Refusing to acknowledge the differences doesn't make women unreasonable. I don't br…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:57 AM
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My words meant what they meant They do, but they also have some interesting implications. When people are in the dating phase, they also have personal bullshit that they are dealing with but they at least make an attempt to prevent it from spilling over into their relationship. You don't go on a date and start roasting your boyfriend or girlfriend because your boss was mean to you earlier that day. In a committed relationship, women apparently think that it's ok to take out all of your frustrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:58 AM
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Because life happens when you live together You mean: women conjure up needless drama. This is only a problem for the oofy doofy beta provider because he doesn't know how to hold frame and gets caught up in the drama instead of dodging it. The alpha Chad doesn't have this problem because he knows how to dodge drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:02 AM
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This dynamic was already described by the red pill more than a decade ago. You're either the alpha Chad, or the oofy doofy beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 04:41 AM
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How awful, men being in control of their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 07:16 PM
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Yes, there are places to be and things to do so why waste your time when you can use the strategies that actually work instead of just randomly throwing shit at the wall and hoping that some of it sticks?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 07:08 PM
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There are absolutely no benefits to talking about your emotions with other people. Best case scenario you're just wasting your time. Worst case scenario you're giving them information that they can use against you in the future. On the other hand being able to deal with your emotions on your own is very practical and has a lot of benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:55 PM
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Improvise, adapt, overcome. Why keep doing things that make dating even harder than it already is?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:41 PM
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For a good reason, that shit destroys your chances of ever going on a date real quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:37 PM
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I want to know how many dudes actually got a date by starting to cry on some chick's shoulder. This is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:14 PM
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This is so stupid. People have always used art to create characters who are stronger, braver, more heroic and more beautiful than real humans. Using art to try to intentionally cram ugly characters down people's throats is activism, simple as. Also, you can't be bigoted against fictional characters because they are not real people. As far as I'm concerned, they can keep releasing flop after flop like Concord and Veilguard. It's extremely entertaining when they try to pander to the "modern audien…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:02 PM
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Women's relationship with their weight is one of the weirdest rabbit holes. They randomly lie to each other about their weight. They also randomly lie to each other about how much exercise and dieting they really do. Of course metabolism seems like magic when there is a torrential downpour of bullshit round the clock. Nothing makes sense when everyone is lying to each other all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 02:36 PM
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There's not a whole lot of examples because the typical male fantasy is about self-actualization and overcoming impossible odds. Romance and relationships only play a secondary role. Warhammer 40k is the male fantasy, not cheesy romcoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 07:09 AM
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Leave it to blue pillers to have the most misanthropic takes 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:48 AM
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Intentionally creating ugly characters when you have all the tools in the world to create beautiful characters (and knowing that beautiful characters sell better) requires a special kind of mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:16 AM
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They will market whatever sells to their buying audience. So, attractive women. Congratulations, you played yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:37 PM
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Btw, I suspect tampons would be effective at drying gamer tears. Tears of laughter as woke shit like Concord and Veilguard flops time and again maybe 😂 But yea I get it, women are mad as shit because they can't browbeat gamers into accepting all the usual feminist narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:31 PM
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If something is made by men for other men. You know what a target audience is, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:23 PM
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If something is made by men for other men, it is a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:08 PM
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That's beside the point. The writers went out of their way to retcon source material and change the entire tone of the story to turn it into a toxic lesbian romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:51 PM
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Yea and on the other hand you have House of the Dragon being turned into an AO3-tier fanfic because the writers want to ship Rhaenyra with Alicent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:39 PM
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They go on Twitter and argue with the writers until they make their preferred pairing canon, or they do it the hard way and get a job in the industry and change the entire tone of the work... and make their preferred pairing canon.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:16 PM
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Funny how it's usually women who start shipping characters and writing NSFW fanfiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:43 PM
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That's not what happens. Guys are annoyed because women try to take over their hobbies, woke companies pander to them, then the women leave because they were never interested in those hobbies to begin with and the guys are left with a shit product because of idiot companies and their woke DEI consultants.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:28 PM
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“Body positivity” Body positivity resulted in an obesity epidemic, benefiting absolutely no one (unless you count the industries that profit from people being obese).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:15 PM
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You are the one who is trolling. One post you are complaining about dudes who don't do emotional shit, next post you are complaining about dudes who do emotional shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:09 PM
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You mean: you hang out with dudes who are more like women and have time to do emotional shit instead of working and then are surprised when they act emotional?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:05 PM
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Just goes to show how hilariously out of touch women are with what it's like for the average dude. Like bruh, we don't have time to do that emotional shit. We have work to do and there's only so many hours in a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:59 PM
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No, I think everyone should accept their own company and hug their friends. Regardless of if they have a partner or not. Being able to be comfortable in your own company and hug your friends is like the base point of being an independent adult. Seriously... what the hell? Being an adult is about going to work and paying your bills on time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:45 PM
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You're claiming that age-gap relationships tend to be more abusive than non-age-gap relationships. We have stats that wearing a seatbelt is safer. Are there stats that being in a non-age-gap relationships is safer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:14 PM
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Do we actually have any stats on this or is this just bullshit wizardry?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:06 PM
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If you lose all your money, you have maybe a year at the very best to get back on track before you get dumped. If you get fat, maybe more than a year but not a whole lot. Not paying attention to someone, on the other hand, is not a deal breaker. Your relationship will be worse than it could be but no one would give up financial security and an attractive partner that easily. Age is not really a factor since you can stay attractive well into your seventies and later if you take care of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:00 PM
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You are describing a career psychopath. If someone is a career psychopath, they are going to find a way to manipulate someone regardless of their resources. Actually, a 20 year old career psychopath is worse for a variety of reasons so this argument doesn't hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:51 PM
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Why are you making it sound like it's hard for women to reject men, dump them and move on? Women obviously don't have a problem dumping men their own age. Why would they have any trouble dumping someone who's older?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:33 PM
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It's not that they are irrelevant, but having money and staying attractive is more important. If she doesn't find you attractive anymore, she will roast you for not doing household chores and will make you sleep on the couch. If she finds you attractive, she will do the chores herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:24 PM
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This is so funny, it's basically a shit test by women for other women. If you buy into the "healthy at every size" campaign, you've failed the shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:13 PM
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then it would sound like long-term relationships are doomed to failure because, well, you're going to end up sitting in silence a lot if personality, shared interests and basic human decentness are irrelevant factors. You're overestimating how much time people in LTRs spend talking. At the very most you talk about what happened at work at the end of the day and then go to sleep. Having money in the bank account is more important for a successful LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:05 PM
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You are misinterpreting agency in this context. It doesn't mean that you can't decided whether you want to watch Netflix or play video games today, you can do whatever you want and no one will care. Agency here means that if there is an important decision that has to be made, you will have to be the one to make it. It's not that your girlfriend or wife can't make a decision, it's simply that she doesn't want to. If you screw up, she will call you a loser and probably make you sleep on the couch …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:06 AM
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Not liking someone doesn't mean you dislike them. More often than not it's just apathy and disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:28 AM
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I just promise to do better next time and they think that they can fix me 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:13 PM
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In my experience, buying flowers didn't work. But being a grade-A douchebag did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:53 PM
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The guys doing it exposed themselves to STD’s, perversion, and degeneracy. Who did they expose themselves to? Lily Phillips. So definitely weren't banging each other so Lily Phillips was the source of STDs, perversion and degeneracy in this case. At least Philips can say she got money which can be used for a variety of things. Phillips became unemployable. Furthermore, no one with even an ounce of dignity will want to be her friend or her partner. Short-term gain and a massive long-term loss. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:47 PM
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In order to avoid being exposed to STDs, perversion and degeneracy, men should avoid women? Damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:53 PM
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Like the red pill says, don't try to out-debate women. You can't. You just can't. Hold frame, fellas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:41 PM
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Probably because the dudes didn't go the entire day without food or water.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:39 PM
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Better safe than sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:14 PM
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Bad sense of style Her sense of style is crap. signs of drug abuse She looks doped up in like half of her interviews. signs of plastic surgery Lip filler, probably more. excessive neurosis. She can't even maintain eye contact during her interviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:07 PM
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Bad sense of style, signs of drug abuse, signs of plastic surgery, excessive neurosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:57 PM
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So men need to take responsibility when women go on a neurotic self-destructive rampage. Congratulations on rolling back more than a century of feminism I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:53 PM
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Yea plenty of desperate dudes as well but for some reason they get a normal job if they need money instead of being pounded in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:43 PM
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Actually it's extremely easy to guess who does sex work. Maybe not the specifics of what exactly they do, but you can guess with nearly 100% accuracy with some experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:38 PM
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Women turn to sex work VERY quickly as soon as they need money. Lily Phillips just took it to the next level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:34 PM
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women don’t naturally want to do a 100 man gang bang Could've fooled me!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:24 PM
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This is just the consequence of being pampered all day long. Zero sense of when you're about to do something monumentally stupid that will immediately bite you in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:15 PM
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Doing what she did should count as a biohazard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:13 PM
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No I'd argue that they need to be realistic about their standards instead. The perfect person does not exist. So, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:59 PM
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There's an even quicker fix, start eating healthy and get some quality sleep. That's the first thing everyone should do before even reviewing the level of their daily physical activity. Once again, this is why the manosphere is popular among young men. They are the only ones who are willing to tell dudes to stop being pussies and start doing something with their hands instead of sitting on the couch with Netflix and a can of beer all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:44 PM
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There's a very obvious reason why it's getting worse. Average testosterone levels have been declining across the board. I know it's currently considered cool to completely disregard human physiology and say that it's all in the head, but one's body has a massive impact on one's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:32 PM
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You're way overcomplicating this. They think that men are being radicalized because to them, men are simply defective women. And hence completely normal male behaviors are seen as "radical". Andrew Tate appeals to young men because he doesn't mince his words. Stop being a pussy, take responsibility for yourself and work towards your goals. From the point of view of woke activists this is "radical" because according to their worldview, the only way to achieve your goals is by complaining until so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 03:06 PM
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Attraction is non-negotiable. They can talk about men being able to cry too, men being emotionally vulnerable, men being feminine and all that all they want, but at the end of the day they will still prefer the alpha Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 03:03 PM
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Saying that you find it comfortable when you have shorts jammed up your arse crack is not the flex that you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:45 AM
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When you are working out, the last thing you want is something jammed up your arse crack.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:29 AM
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Booty shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:13 AM
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It's just the just-world fallacy in action. They assume that if you can't get a date, then it must mean that you aren't really nice but rather just pretending to be. The opposite is the evil-world fallacy (I'm making this up). Guys assume that if someone can get a date, he must be an asshole. The truth is that there are some genuinely nice people out there who can't get a date. Also just venting your frustrations online doesn't make you an asshole. It's one of the most harmless things you can do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:35 AM
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They will never admit it but it's 100% to improve their social standing by appearing to look better. Same reason as why they wear extremely uncomfortable-looking clothes to the gym. Bro, we aren't stupid. We know that it isn't comfortable so you might as well be honest about it. Use your common sense. If it looks like it's for external validation, it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:10 AM
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they actually see painting on their own faces as a hobby. It can be used to express yourself artistically, sure. How women many use it artistically though? Most of the time they try to do "natural" makeup to fool other people into thinking that that's how they really look. That's the opposite of expressing yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:58 AM
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While it's true that women wear makeup for themselves It's simply not true at all. If it were true, they would wear makeup at home, which doesn't happen. They are addicted to virtue signalling and hence will never admit that they wear makeup to appear to look better and improve their social standing. It's baffling how many people still buy this excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:53 AM
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Sounds exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:36 PM
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It's just so crazy. Men will make friends with each other just because they happen to be in the same place doing the same thing. Women in this thread have requirements like it's a job interview.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:10 PM
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Togi is literally living the red pilled dream. Alex is now his best friend and so is red pilled by association.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:34 PM
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Togi, Alex Eubank, Sam Sulek.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:25 PM
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Fellas, take note of the insane red pills being dropped all over the place in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:11 PM
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Maybe AI assistants will solve the chores problem once and for all in a decade or two. We can only hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:21 PM
0

I'd get fed up too if I had to do household chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:19 PM
2

Not lazy, just selectively lazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:58 PM
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Fellas, do yourselves a favor and watch how the The Island men vs women experiment went. This topic is such a slam dunk it hardly even qualifies as a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:27 PM
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You're welcome 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:32 PM
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The guys who are struggling with loneliness are not the same group of people as assholes who are using every trick in the book to get ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:54 PM
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Being a good person—being a nice person—is “hard mode”. It absolutely is. Things that are generally seen as asshole behavior often give quick and tangible results.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:26 PM
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That's the thing, you can find many such cases. I would count absolutely refusing to do household chores as an awful personality trait and yet you can find plenty of horror stories like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:23 PM
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Remember, being a good person should be seen as rewarding in itself. So being nice is essentially playing on hard mode since you are expected to be altruistic and prioritize others' well-being over your own interests, with no tangible benefit to yourself. It's hard enough out there as it is. I don't think that many people can afford this added challenge. If being a good person is helpful for society at large, being a good person should be incentivized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:16 PM
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If we go with this explanation, it means that these three things bring a disproportionate amount of added value to a relationship. You can have a tragically awful personality and it will still work. If security, money and looks can completely offset an awful personality, it means that personality doesn't really matter that much to begin with, which goes against some narratives around dating. So I agree, it isn't a gotcha if we assume that you can measure how much added value you bring to a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:05 PM
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This is the true origin of "the bar is in hell" adage. Yea of course you can't make someone change their standards, but their standards are so exclusive that they actually start to work to your advantage. Looks, money and status are non-negotiable. Everything else is. If you pass the bar for looks, money and status, the bar for other things really is in hell. Despite the constant whining, they will even tolerate you not doing any chores around the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:12 PM
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And then the chores begin 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:28 PM
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At least they are trying. Trying is better than not trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:09 PM
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Glad we agree 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:35 AM
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If they were working hard, they wouldn't be posting TikTok dance routines on company time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:23 AM
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Most white collar men work harder than white collar women anyway. The argument still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 11:17 AM
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I keep my things clean. If I accidentally spill a drink or drop some food, I immediately clean it up. If there are suddenly chores that have to be done... it's not my fault. I don't like chores so I don't let them pile up in the first place. If there are chores anyway, I'm just not doing them. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:55 AM
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Fighting over household chores feels extremely petty to me. If they are going to be petty, I'm going to be petty as well and refuse to do it just because.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:48 AM
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It's a matter of principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:41 AM
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It's baffling that people still think that household chores are a big deal with all the modern tools and appliances that are available.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:31 AM
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Our results suggest that people high in testosterone felt less close to others and desired less closeness. This is what was researched in the study. All of those other things you are highlighting are referring to other studies, which have no immediate relevance. Then the participants in the study were students, not gymbros. Serious gymbros have significantly higher levels of T than those reported in the study. That's going to hypercharge the "desired less closeness" part. You're trying really ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:03 AM
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63% of men under 30 are single and that number is only going to go up. You don't need to worry about it. Focus on building yourself up so that you can easily get dates anytime you want and then simply refuse to talk about your previous dating experience. They aren't obliged to tell them your life story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:42 AM
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and STILL (shocker, I know) find mental and emotional room for mutually beneficial relationships that go deeper than superficial 'bro culture'. Then you are obviously not taking it seriously enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:29 AM
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So high T actually represents an imbalance of a man's hormones. You can't be serious. High T makes it easier to control your emotions so that you don't need emotional fulfillment in the first place. With high T, you get your fulfillment from chasing goals instead of emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:24 AM
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[The roles of testosterone and cortisol in friendship formation] (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306453016309362). Our results suggest that people high in testosterone felt less close to others and desired less closeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:14 AM
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Like I replied to the other poster, men get into weird self-destructive behaviors when they have chronically low testosterone. Which can result from a lack of physical activity, among other things. A man with a healthy level of testosterone can go without human connection for a very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:10 AM
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You are describing the effects of chronically low testosterone, which happens when you have a crap diet, crap sleep, and, you guesses it, no physical activity. Men with healthy testosterone levels don't feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:07 AM
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That's not quite it. They are addicted to carefully curating an image of themselves that they present to the world. For them, having a particular lifestyle is not nearly as important as making others believe that they have that lifestyle. This is why they can, for example, go to the gym to take pictures instead of actually lifting. Making their friends believe that they go to the gym is more important than actually going to the gym for results.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:27 AM
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🤷‍♂️ Lots of people do just fine focusing on solitary activities. Maybe people use human connection to escape from themselves not really having anything interesting going on in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:19 AM
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That's the neat part, men do just fine without bonding.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:16 AM
5

Did you seriously just compare lifting to drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:52 AM
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People can change. Loving someone selflessly means that the power balance is in their favor and it's not going to end well for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:11 AM
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Yes. Believe it or not, lifting feels better than getting hugged. It also helps clear your head and make the right decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:07 AM
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You shouldn’t love someone to be loved in return. You should love someone because you genuinely love them. "How to be the loser in every relationship with this one simple trick".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:02 AM
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The gym can't replace friendship and strong emotional bonds Yes it can. When you are pumping iron, it makes all of the other problems in your life seem trivial and not worth getting stressed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:42 AM
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The problem is that while you are on the grindset, women are nowhere to be found. They only start to show up after you have already figured things out and achieved some measure of success. But by that point, entering a committed relationship with a woman has more downsides than upsides. Doing things on your own schedule? Forget it. Hobbies? You are screwed if you prioritize them over her. Ask her to contribute something to the relationship? You are also screwed. Instead, you get to deal with som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:40 AM
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No one can ever love you as much as you can love yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:54 PM
1

The real thing is nowhere near as good as the idealized version you are imagining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:46 PM
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If you need to rely on something other than your looks to get a date, then it's time to start asking yourself some hard questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:54 PM
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I can move heavy objects really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:56 PM
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Yes, that's a question I ask myself every day. What's the benefit to staying together over just dating casually?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:32 PM
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Putting myself first has never prevented me from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:21 PM
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Not my problem. I'm looking out for my own interests, not those of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:11 PM
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🤷‍♂️ I don't know, I'm not a woman. My requirement is that there should be some kind of optimization and time-saving somewhere. If it's in fact more time-efficient to do household chores on your own, there's no reason to commit to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:52 PM
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As per usual, the women in this thread are assuming that all men are incompetent idiots who are incapable of cooking or cleaning on their own. If there's no tangible benefit to being in a relationship, there's no reason to commit to one. If I have to cook anyway, I'd rather do it for one person than two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:44 PM
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It's easier to cook and clean for one person than two. The question still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:36 PM
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Going to the gym fixes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:26 PM
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If a man can cook and clean on his own, what is he even getting out of a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:24 PM
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Encouraging them to go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:23 PM
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Pumping iron makes you objectively more attractive. Testosterone goes up and makes you less of a pushover and a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:19 PM
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We pump iron together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:16 PM
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It has nothing to do with whether he deserves to have a girlfriend and everything to do with whether he can actually get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:14 PM
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They get stronger and can do muscle ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:12 PM
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You do. Just be consistent about putting in 0 effort. Resolve any problems that may arise on a case-by-case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:27 AM
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There is a limit to how much effort you can put in. If you are putting in 100% of your effort at work and in the gym, personal relationships take a backseat. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:16 AM
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Women also lie to manipulate people, and also because they are addicted to lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:53 AM
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Not at all. Men lie for a specific purpose. Women lie just for the sake of lying. They lie to men, they lie to other women, they lie about important things, they lie about petty things, they lie to themselves. With guys, you know that they are going to be honest most of the time. With women, it's a non-stop hailstorm of lies so strong that you just give up and stop even trying to figure out whether they are lying or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:09 AM
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Men are pragmatic liars. Women have turned lying into an art form.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:41 AM
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Ehh, I don't know about this. It's kind of like women saying if no man wants me while I'm fat, then I shouldn't share my beauty with them after I lose weight. If women want you after you make something of yourself, then so be it. Women want what they want, if you worked hard to attain that, you may as well reap the rewards, no? I don't think that losing weight is that hard. Even if you are in an abjectly sorry shape, it doesn't take more than a year to get back on track. Being accomplished, or i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:02 AM
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I never said that it doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:56 AM
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And? Why should men care?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:54 AM
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I guess self-affirmations don't work then if women's self-esteem crumbles the moment someone is mean to them online.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:29 AM
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We hit the gym and start pumping iron.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:26 AM
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Interesting how despite the constant self-affirmation, therapy and "positive vibes at all costs" culture, women still hate themselves and have low self-esteem 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:24 AM
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The problem with this logic is that by the time women start to find you interesting, you are no longer interested in them. What's the point in going on a date if you already have a satisfying lifestyle? I'd rather go to the gym and lift some weights with the lads or play a video game. Getting into an LTR would interfere with your hobbies and bring nothing but drama and extra chores. If no woman wants to be there for you while you are on the grindset and working to build a good lifestyle for your…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:15 AM
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TwoXChromosomes subreddit and fearmongering 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:25 PM
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Also no video games or streaming services. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:01 PM
2

Just say that it was a prank, problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:59 PM
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Get several bros to cover for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:41 PM
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You can still learn stuff about your partner, no one is stopping you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:30 PM
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Don't get caught lying, simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:14 PM
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Men don't get any affirmative action programs benefiting them, and that's even before accounting for various biases that benefit women. No one is arguing that getting visible abs is challenging, but most women don't even attempt hypertrophy training.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:21 PM
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That's the thing, standards of achievement are way higher for men. It's harder for men to get a good education. It's harder for men to be considered athletic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:07 PM
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Men already have to put in a ton of work before they can even get a date. There's a limit to how much a person can work before growing apathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:44 PM
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Most guys don't expect a relationship to be like work when they are getting into one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:18 PM
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No, it's more like that by the time you have a lot of options, you are already indifferent to them. Think about the absolute grindset that a man has to go through in order to get a date. You grind at work, you grind in the gym, you learn new skills. Here's the catch: by the time you are done grinding, you have already learned to be happy on your own. Going to the gym feels better than going on a date because you are lifting with the biggest and baddest dudes and setting PRs. Going to work feels …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:13 PM
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Apathy is the natural reaction to having to do a lot of work in order to be allowed to do even more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:01 PM
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It’s pretty common for men’s effort to nosedive once they’re in the relationship and comfortable. That's because the initial stage of dating is way harder for men. By the time you do get into an LTR, you are already suffering from massive burnout and it's only a matter of time until a general sense of apathy starts to set in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:56 PM
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Across most activities, success is defined as being at the very least in the top 10%. I don't see any compelling reason why success in relationships should be defined any differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:27 PM
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You can have a normal distribution where the average is crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:05 PM
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They also don't bring nearly as much to the table as they think. You know that new adage that men are not competing against other men but rather women's peace of mind? Well, women are competing against Chad's ability to just casually go on dates whenever he wants to and bail as soon as it starts to take up too much of his time or the commitment talk comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:40 PM
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Passing the bar is not the same as having a successful relationship. The oofy doofy beta provider eventually passes the bar, but he is not afforded the same treatment as the alpha Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:24 PM
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Stacies are rarer than Chads. There's a lot of fake Stacies but Chad can tell the difference. Chad is in a lot of trouble if he wants to date someone on his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:51 AM
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Building a successful relationship requires investment of a lot of time and money. Chad would have to give up some of his money and free time (and this includes entertainment and various hobbies) if he wants to date seriously. If you are a Chad, is it worth giving up your time and money for a relationship? Most of the time the answer is no. So Chad has fun dating as long as it doesn't interfere too much with his other interests and then bails as soon as commitment comes up. Everyone loses except…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:40 AM
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I said it elsewhere, but it's worth repeating: despite the general misandry and DEI, affirmative action and woke politics, dudes are still finding ways to succeed. The woke activists absolutely hate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:11 PM
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Only 14 economies have achieved legal gender parity in 2022, as measured by Women, Business and the Law To construct the index, Women, Business and the Law surveys more than 2,000 experts in family, labor, and violence against women legislation. The World Bank Group
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:52 PM
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Some salt, yes. But it's miles behind the salt mines in the comments section.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:56 PM
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Hate random men, of course not. Hate men in general? Maybe. Women seem to absolutely hate the fact that even after decades of DEI, affirmative action and woke politics, men are still outperforming them across a variety of fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:38 PM
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Their alternative: get diagnosed with several personality disorders, eat an entire stack of meds every day, go to therapy, repeat increasingly more bizarre self-affirmation mantras until reality finally claps back. These people don't want young men to be successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:17 PM
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The guys with red pill flairs who make red pill and conservative arguments are part of the blue pilled fantasy? Plenty of black pillers in disguise and guys who took a counterfeit red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:03 PM
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The guys on this sub frequently complain about unrealistic body standards. They are firmly subsumed in the blue pilled fantasy. Normal dudes feel inspired to go to the gym and start lifting when they see bodybuilders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:44 PM
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If you look up the stats, it's not sweet at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:24 PM
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That's the neat part, dudes don't care about unrealistic body standards. Sam is on gear but he also has an insane work ethic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:12 PM
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It may be in favor of women, but their prospects are still looking bad. Their requirements for a dude to be considered suitable for an LTR are extremely high. But a dude who meets those requirements probably doesn't even want an LTR anymore because it's simply not worth the effort. So yea eventually they lower their requirements and the oofy doofy beta provider gets a chance. Everyone loses except for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:07 PM
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Take those stats with a grain of salt. I won't go into detail why because if you know, you know. The real reason is hypergamy, everything else is secondary. Men have trouble dating because women only like Chad. Women have trouble dating because Chad doesn't have to commit. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:55 PM
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"Just wait for the right one to come along" = how to obliterate your dating prospects with this one simple trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:50 PM
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You can't fire me, I quit!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:48 PM
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Most male influencers don't care about feminism in the slightest. They are too busy doing cool stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:22 PM
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There's very little actual data and a lot of scaremongering. It's the same crap as teachers and parents panicking about heavy metal and Dungeons and Dragons in the 80s. But instead they are now panicking because the algorithm put one of Andrew Tate's videos into someone's feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:30 PM
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Most dudes aren't watching Andrew Tate, he is just the big scary boogeyman for the woke activists. They can't even name any other influencers who are popular among young men because they don't actually give a crap. They just did the bare minimum research on the topic and called it a day. That said, if they did do some research, they would call all influencers who appeal to young men problematic anyway. Togi gambling and lifting? Problematic and probably alt-right. Alex Eubank talking about Chris…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:58 PM
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Hypergamy in action 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:20 PM
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Mike Van Wyck is the personification of roid rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 01:10 PM
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More like you find out that the job doesn't really pay all that well so you match your effort to the compensation that you are getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:03 AM
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Not enough info.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:25 AM
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I put a lot of time and effort into myself and people around me, I built up confidence, I take notice, I make sure people feel safe and comfortable around me. As I experience it(as a man), the bar for men is in hell. These two statements are contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:20 AM
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Slot machine simulator. Just keep pulling that lever, bro. Gambling is 0% luck, 100% dedication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:42 AM
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It's this website [MyBodyGallery] (https://www.mybodygallery.com/). These numbers are so inaccurate that it's giving me whiplash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 09:36 PM
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So I did some research into how women deal with weight and I can't make sense of it. Someone linked a gallery where women upload their pictures along with height and weight stats and it's just all wrong. Other than the obvious camera trickery (why?), like half the people are randomly adding (why?) or subtracting (why?) numbers to their real weight. Or maybe they are just randomly guessing their weight (why?), I don't get it. The average gymbro who claims to be lifetime natty while off-cycle is m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 09:25 PM
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Interesting site. Someone should do a deep dive because there's no way the numbers are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:52 PM
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Yea, I don't buy it. In order to become obese, one would have to overeat by a huge margin for a significant period of time. It's a public health disaster and should be treated seriously instead of trying to protect people's feelings at the expense of their health.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:35 PM
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You are misinterpreting what I said. What I meant is that if you look up videos that are made by male content creators and aimed at men, the message is generally "put down the damn fork, stop eating crap, stop making excuses and go to the gym". Reality checks are super effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:12 PM
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This is an open discussion forum. It's just perplexing that it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:05 PM
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Maybe it doesn't work for you, but it definitely works for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:01 PM
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Yes, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:56 PM
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She explicitly called them gluttonous and disgusting because they ate a lot of meat. The choice of restaurant doesn't factor into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:39 PM
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Literally what you asked. "Where are women "moaning about men eating meat?""
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:56 PM
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I work in tech. This reminds me of the time I was invited to dinner with the bros who ran a startup. They insisted on a Korean barbecue place, and I went even though I’m vegetarian. (I ordered a salad). Anyway, I have never seen people consume such a huge quantity of meat so quickly. It was honestly gluttonous and disgusting. They were also rude to the waitstaff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:09 PM
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Can you give an example of this? Anyone who disagrees with any part of the woke ideology is automatically branded a heretic. You're literally making things up. Body positivity / acceptance movement. Continuing to make things up. "Men can cry too" / be emotionally vulnerable. Still making things up. Plenty of male celebrities trying to normalize guys wearing dresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:05 PM
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[What is with meat and masculinity?] (https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1h1q2pw/what_is_with_meat_and_masculinity/)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:58 PM
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The entire woke ideology harms men. Silence your problematic inner voice and listen to the experts instead. Love your body just the way it is instead of going to the gym. Let everyone know about your insecurities and weakness so that they know exactly how to manipulate you. Wear women's clothing because you might as well at this point, masculinity doesn't exist as a concept anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:56 PM
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They were moaning about men eating meat last week. TwoX will find anything to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:41 PM
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The red pill is not an ideology. It's simply a dating strategy (although some would argue that it's not even a strategy but rather a description of relationship dynamics).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:44 AM
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I wouldn't equate the red pill with the right wing or the manosphere. Many red pillers just don't care about politics at all and consider the manosphere to be clowns, although there are left wing red pillers as well. Moving on to the point, I think that being red pilled is the default state for men. There isn't anything special to it. If you are critical of all the crap narratives that woke culture tries to cram down your throat, you are red pilled. At some point, these narratives go too far and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:09 AM
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So I did some research about the MensLib subreddit and it has big user overlaps with: trollxchromosomes, witchesvspatriarchy, breadtube, sapphoandherfriend, thegirlsurvivalguide. I don't think it's a subreddit for men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:14 AM
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It's not a 5% difference, it's a 95% difference. The red pill is about taking responsibility for yourself. The black pill rejects personal responsibility and instead blames the entire world. That's a pretty fundamental difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 06:39 AM
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The black pill is a corruption of the red pill. There are some superficial similarities but ultimately the black pill is full of people who rejected the red pill. They can't go back to the blue pilled fantasy so instead they construct a different kind of fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 06:27 AM
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It is practical. Getting rich and getting hot is something that someone can start working on almost immediately after reading that advice. As for the other things like playing various games and holding frame: these are the things that almost everyone does. Men, women, your employer, your friendly neighborhood milkman. Learning how to recognize when these games are being played and how to handle them is very rational, even if you don't like the games themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:56 AM
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Those subreddits are good in theory, but some of the posts make it clear that the black pill has more in common with the blue pill than the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:17 AM
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That's the thing though, getting rich and getting hot works equally well with everyone. It's the blue pill that tries to focus on a specific niche. The red pill is all about universal appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:12 AM
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It's not even so much about being in touch with your emotions but rather drawing a distinction between what matters and what doesn't. There's an issue that won't go away unless you solve it = you should start caring about it right about now. Someone called you a rude name = laugh and move on. When you're on the grindset, it really starts to seem silly when someone is getting upset over trivial things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 07:20 PM
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And then when there's a real problem to be solved but the oofy doofy dork who's "in touch with his emotions" is suffering from crippling anxiety, women complain that men aren't manly enough anymore. You can't win.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 07:08 PM
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Words have meanings, sure, but arguing about near-synonyms that have several competing definitions means that you just don't like what I said but can't refute it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:53 PM
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Arguing semantics 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:50 PM
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Those terms are used interchangeably because no one can agree what the difference between them actually is, and neither is an official medical diagnosis anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:48 PM
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Psychopathic individuals have the ability to empathize — they just don’t like to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:41 PM
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They are struggling with various addictions and bad mood because their testosterone levels are far below what is normal. Their biological advantage is failing them because they were never taught how to use it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:32 PM
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Healthy emotional management for a man = having a healthy level of testosterone. It's evolutionary. When there's trouble, men can't afford to sit around and moan. They have to get out there and fix the problem and then go back to work the next day. There's no time to talk about feelings and give each other pats on the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:01 PM
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Dark triad bros are actually great at empathy. They just don't use it the intended way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:37 PM
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It's not emotional suppression, it's emotional control. And it's not taught, it's inherent thanks to male physiology. Men don't need to learn about processing emotions because they already have great emotional control by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:13 PM
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0.5-1 points if you have a crap diet, crap sleep and a crap program.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 04:09 PM
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A lot of unattractive beta males are in a position where they are well-educated, high-achieving, and very successful career-wise, but have been plagued by social and romantic failure throughout their entire life. Sounds like it's time to hit the gym and start lifting. I think the greatest hurdle in the way is to simply let go of the dream of true love. Here's the brutal truth: There is no such thing as true love coming from a woman; a woman will never be able to reciprocate the powerful, deep lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 04:03 PM
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The most important shit tests are the society-wide shit tests. Like the idea that "men can cry too". And then if you fail those shit tests, the very same people who were pushing them will start mocking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:08 PM
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You get a sense of fulfillment from building a relationship with someone. Like come on man, what is this? Read more red pill content.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 09:23 AM
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This is not true at all. All of the people who stand at the top of the social hierarchy are either rich, attractive, athletic or exceptionally skilled, or a combination of these traits. Someone's personal hierarchy where being vegan is important is irrelevant when the majority of people simply don't care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 08:25 AM
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Non red pill people always talk about personality, vulnerability, emotional availability and all that. You have to try very hard to get them to admit that money and looks are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:52 AM
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The blue pill makes a lot of suggestions but doesn't say anything about their effectiveness. The red pill tells you to stop wasting your time and focus on getting rich and getting hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:41 AM
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And hence the blue pill is just flat out wrong and because the premise is wrong, blue pill narratives also tend to be wrong. You don't need scientific studies to figure out that our society is hierarchical. It's basic common sense and is readily observable. It would be one thing if the blue pill offered an alternative approach to dating, but it doesn't. It's just a bunch of fantasy narratives that are disconnected from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:00 AM
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It's not really about the ease of dating but rather the quality of the dating experience itself. An ambitious woman who takes care of herself and has plans for the future has no reason to date a dude who doesn't provide anything of value to her life, so you are already at a severe disadvantage if you have neither the looks nor the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 07:40 PM
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The dating experience of the alpha Chad is completely different compared to that of the oofy doofy dork. Most guys want to date like the former, not the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:58 PM
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Confident, for how long? They are prescribing doses of testosterone that would be considered a "blast" in the bodybuilding world. These dudes have teams of doctors and coaches working with them and getting regular blood tests and they still get severe side effects. The female body simply can't handle such doses of testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:26 PM
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In control, no. Able to influence, yes. And like it or not, but that cult is already influencing your child's mind. Other adults have been talking to your child about gender. Are you fine with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:36 PM
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Being likable is subjective. Most guys are educated and have hobbies and yet they still struggle with dating. Being rich and hot isn't subjective and it automatically makes you likable anyway. All this "become an interesting person, get hobbies" advice is at best misleading and at worst just flat out gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:54 PM
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Become an interesting person. Get educated, get hobbies, learn about stuff that you want to talk about with other people. Then find a person who likes that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:45 PM
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Agreed, your kid is doing great. So don't let the trans cult wreck your kid's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:37 PM
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Then get your kid out of the cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:24 PM
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That post had women immediately start disputing your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:21 PM
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Sounds extremely fair to me. A man has to add value to a woman's life in order for her to want to be in a relationship with him. If he has nothing to offer = no relationship since she would be happier on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:23 PM
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They are stingy when sharing resources with the oofy doofy beta provider. Once she earns more than him, there is nothing else he has to offer. If you are a Chad, she will happily let you play stay-at-home husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:13 PM
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I don't entirely agree. Bad boys are confident because they simply don't care about the things that nice guys care about. It's this "I don't give a damn" attitude that's actually attractive. Caring about something is seen as a weakness in modern culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:46 AM
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Sounds good to me. They have options. They can settle for a single rich dude who is willing to support several women (good for men). They can also lower their expectations and settle for dude who's not rich but is willing to put food on the table (also good for men). The men in the workforce get more bargaining power due to there being less competition (also good for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 07:12 AM
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Bro did u not read OPs post? The whole point of women quiting their jobs to embrace their soft girl era is so they can embrace a work free life while the boyfriend they have chooses to work to support them. How is a woman going to survive if she quits a job but has no one providing for her. Thats going to impact the economy and set it back. A man providing for a woman is whats required. You're not smart If she can get a rich boyfriend who is willing to provide for her, that's great. Good for her…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:54 AM
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mention the unemployed dudes, who arent even working That's the idea. More open vacancies = more employment opportunities for men. Thats also more taxes coming out of ppls pay, with less ppl in the workforce. Men make up most of the positive fiscal impact anyway. The deficit can be partially covered by previously unemployed men now working. Whats going to happen when it comes to hospitals? All those women Dr's, nurses, techs etc. What about in education? What about women in STEM? Easy, some men …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:17 AM
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I just looked up the stats and apparently something like 80% of paralegal jobs are held by women while 60% of lawyer jobs are held by men. I don't know what that says about your field but it sounds like it would be considered pink collar.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:46 AM
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The economy would adjust just fine. There are plenty of dudes who are either unemployed or stuck in dead-end careers. Most infrastructure is maintained by dudes anyway. The only critical sectors that would take a hit are healthcare and education but they have been failing for a long time anyway so maybe a major shakeup is exactly what they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:17 AM
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If all women suddenly dropped out of the workforce, men would be more than willing to pick up the slack. Actually, some industries probably wouldn't even notice anything at all. It would be good for men (more competitive wages) and bad for corporations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:12 AM
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Let's hear what Greg Doucette has to say about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:43 PM
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Maybe the message would feel a little more meaningful if it didn't come from cushy universities and multibillion dollar corporations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:38 PM
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Men are not routinely targeted for harassment while just existing in public. And yet men make up the majority of victims of physical violence. You can argue all day about what people should or shouldn't do but it's not going to change the fact that there will always be assholes who will harass other people. "People shouldn't harass others by default" and then everyone clapped. What now though? Did all of the assholes suddenly repent and vow to never harass someone again?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:25 PM
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Yeah, that's not what woke culture actually does. It's all about activists trying to lecture people about their supposed privilege. When you end up on the receiving end of a lecture like that, that's woke culture being quite literally crammed down your throat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:56 PM
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Yea, everyone can agree that we should all live in peace and harmony but that's not how the world works. It's just human nature that some people are going to act like assholes. If you are a man, you deal with harassment on your own. No one is going to help you and if you do ask for help, other people will most likely just make fun of you for not being able to handle it on your own. So you can either deal with harassment like men do, or you can make a political movement to help you. But in the ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:50 PM
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And they said "well, I would, but what's in it for me?" Acting like it should come with strings attached to have the same peace men have is psychopathic. As far as I can tell, you are trying to argue that men should care about feminism because... yea, I still don't get it. Your analogy is also a bit unusual because a book club isn't a political movement. Here's a more relevant example: the entire environmental lobby can't make any real headway because the people who hold the power to make real c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:28 PM
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Calling men psychopathic if they don't care is not going to make them care.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:15 PM
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Maybe if they didn't spend years trying to cram identity politics down everyone's throats, their party wouldn't be associated with things like DEI and the woke culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:10 PM
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If feminism doesn't care about men, why should men care about feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:03 PM
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The jig is up and mainstream culture is starting to reject DEI and woke politics. Enjoy the ride!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:58 PM
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Feminism barely exists as a movement anymore. It has been completely hijacked by corporate feminism, which is a bunch of dudes in suits using women to deflect criticism for their crappy products. If women want feminism to be taken seriously again, they need to take it back from corporations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:30 PM
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It's not. Testosterone levels have collapsed due to bad eating habits, bad sleeping habits and lack of physical activity. All the stuff you read online about men struggling with depression, lack of energy, feelings of loneliness, yea, those are all symptoms of low testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:19 PM
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Men need to get their testosterone levels checked. If a dude is getting mopey and feeling lonely, that's a hormonal problem, not a social one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:11 PM
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Fellas, only go for 0/100. If she isn't willing to pay for the date, she is not worth your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:00 PM
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At the point you are asking for a paternity test, there is no trust anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:02 AM
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If you have to ask for a paternity test, trust is already broken and the relationship is as good as over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:59 AM
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Halo effect. A hot rich guy is automatically going to seem more outgoing and funny even if he's actually very awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:43 AM
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The easiest way to get dates as a dude is to be the kind of dude who doesn't need to do any approaching in the first place because women are the ones who try to ask him out. So... get rich and get hot. Don't need an entire essay about preferences, individualized approaches and nuance when "get rich and get hot" is the best and most efficient strategy in the vast majority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:15 AM
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We already know the formula: get rich and get hot. But every time this topic comes up, women start denying it and talking about personality even though everyone knows that nice guys finish last.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:56 AM
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Where did I say that it's a problem? Toxic behavior isn't necessarily an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 09:57 PM
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Yea, but just because there's some toxicity it doesn't mean that men are a problem. Men can handle toxicity just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 09:47 PM
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How are men a problem? Gyms are a traditionally male space. Men don't have an issue with gym culture. If women can't take the heat, they can open female-only gyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 09:30 PM
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What I mean is that this kind of reasoning doesn't exactly work when someone can fake being good and sincere to attract genuinely good and sincere people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 08:04 PM
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Competitive atmosphere + steroids + people lying about their gear usage = there's going to be some beef and rude comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:48 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:41 PM
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Even if they did, the average male gym bro wouldn't care. We already tell each other that we look like crap anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:35 PM
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Yea just no. Spend 5 minutes looking up male gym culture and it's much more toxic. Togi corrupting Alex Eubank and getting him hooked on steroids and gambling. Mike Van Wyck assaulting Jeff Nippard over some beef. Endless natty vs. juice accusations. All of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:28 PM
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You can simply fake whatever personality traits you like in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:22 PM
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Men don't need support systems. We have big muscles and testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:20 PM
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People in this thread have apparently never heard of the halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:17 PM
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It's no different from being liked because you are funny or rich or a good listener.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:03 PM
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It totally gets people love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:00 PM
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People who like six packs are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:57 PM
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It isn't the easiest, but it is one of the easiest. The easiest being just having tons of money. Like the OP said in a different post "get rich and get hot".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:10 PM
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Then your circles must be weird. Having a six pack is one of the most ancient and stable beauty standards. You can also common sense it and figure out that six pack means that you are healthy and strong and being healthy and strong is attractive. There is also some scientific evidence that this is really the case. So we have thousands of years of culture, common sense and science all agreeing that six packs are incredibly important if you want to date. Anecdotal evidence that there are some grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:53 PM
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People who value personality are shallow as well, just in a different way. It's pretty much just a way of saying that you don't like the generic Chad and prefer the funny Chad instead, or the mysterious and aloof Chad, or the hyperactive Chad, or the wholesome Chad, or the punk rock Chad and so on. There's thousands of various personality archetypes but people only like maybe a dozen at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:12 PM
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Maybe you don't have them right now, but you still definitely have the potential to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:23 PM
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It's not a fear, it's a challenge. Everyone who has worked hard towards achieving something knows how amazing it feels to finally reach your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:40 PM
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I don't think you can be RP without believing those things. You absolutely can. The red pill does not require anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:46 PM
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The red pill is not a belief system, it's a dating strategy. Red pill generalizations are only useful insofar as they help with dating. All the philosophizing was tacked on later and diluted what the red pill was meant to be in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:44 PM
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It's yet another blue pilled fantasy. Most women are just normal and don't fall into either of those stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:07 PM
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It's not that men struggle, it's more like the alpha Chad and the oofy doofy dork are two completely different people. If you get on the self-improvement grindset and get serious about lifting and climbing the corporate ladder, it will severely affect your ability to be nice. Increased testosterone levels just do that to you. If you hop on steroids, it will put all of the dark triad traits into overdrive. This is what women don't get. The oofy doofy dork who is also the alpha Chad might as well …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:46 AM
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No. It's awesome because it means that the sky's the limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:37 AM
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You are misinterpreting gender roles. Men are held to a higher standard because men are generally bigger and stronger than women and have significantly more testosterone. It's not unfair because nature has deemed it fit to make you capable of handling this higher standard. Being manly is actually quite chill and fun. Women on the other hand can literally create life (if they want to), which is amazing but extremely taxing on them. So women are not held to the same standard because they already h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:07 AM
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Yea, that's what I keep saying. The alpha Chad and the oofy doofy dork are two different people. Getting on the self-improvement grindset promotes a ton of Chad-like personality traits. I don't see why men should care or try to solve women's dating problems on a large scale. They are the customers and you are the business. Being a monopoly is good for business.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:03 PM
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What cost? Being filthy rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:48 PM
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Even if you set out the formula "get rich, get hot" in very simple terms, most guys will fight against it and refuse to follow it. You shouldn't care about what other men are doing. If anything, things will get even easier for red pillers because a lot of men are going to drop out of the dating game entirely as soon as AI girlfriends become available in the next 5-10 years. Stay on the grindset, fellas.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:31 PM
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Go woke, go broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:25 PM
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Maybe it works for women, but it's a horrible strategy for men. You have to try your luck over and over again and there's not enough time in the world to build friendships with all of the women you intend to try asking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:17 PM
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It's less "not allowed" and more "don't have to". And it's an advantage, not a downside.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:47 PM
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Most of men's problems are the result of the current "men can cry too" and "men should be emotionally vulnerable" narratives. If men remembered how to be manly again, those problems would go away. So... maybe more male teachers in schools to act as strong authority figures and tell boys to cut the crap when they start acting up. Trying to coddle men just results in them never learning how to make use of the various upsides of being a man, and then when the need arises, they simply don't know how…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:04 PM
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As an individual, you are never going to be able to influence politics. Unless you dedicate your entire life to earning billions and lobbying, your vote is negligible. What use is your single lever against hundreds of millions of other levers?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:57 PM
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So men have grouped together and voted as a block, now what? Is the big guy in charge going to make things better for men? Maybe he will knock down your front door and give you a $1000000 stimulus check and a robot AI girlfriend? Men naturally create social hierarchies. Whoever you vote for is going to become the new alpha in charge while you will remain the beta. Alphas don't care about betas. Men's issues are individual and therefore have individual solutions. If you feel disenfranchised, get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:02 PM
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You're right, it's not your job. Guys have to learn how to deal with it on their own and this is where strong male role models and mentors come in. A well-adjusted man understands the effect that testosterone has on him and develops strategies to deal with it instead of taking it out on other people. All of the crying about women not being empathetic comes from men who never learned how to deal with testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:48 AM
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Lack of intelligence, impulsiveness, you can call it whatever. Think of all the stereotypical male behaviors like being a dumb brute. If you are a dude, you have to deal with testosterone driving those behaviors. It's just how things are and you can't logic or rationalize your way out of testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:39 AM
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This is quite literally it. Doing only A or B is easier for men than finding a middle ground. This is why I said that it's hard for men and women to understand each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:31 AM
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You can thank our overly politically correct culture for promoting the idea that "guys can cry too", resulting in an entire generation of men who try to trauma dump someone instead of dealing with their emotions in a way that is healthy for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:25 AM
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And these their ‘doing something’ has been self-isolating, sulking, drinking, etc. Self destructive shit. This can happen too, but it's generally not the case. Meanwhile, I highly doubt these men want to be friends with someone who’s constantly miserable and makes their problems everyone’s problems. This is not a problem in male friendships because men don't let other men trauma dump them. If a guy starts to cry and moan, he will be told to cut the crap in no uncertain terms. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:18 AM
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Okay let's look at your example: guys crying and expecting women to be empathetic. This is also the result of a misunderstanding. Guys process their emotions through action rather than talking. If you are dealing with emotional distress as a guy, the correct response is to start doing something. Like a nature walk or lifting. Eventually emotional distress just goes away like it was never there to begin with and you think "Wow, that was stupid. Why was I upset about that in the first place?" Henc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:03 AM
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Not necessarily. Example: I have tried to explain to women how men process their emotions before and it didn't go over well. It's just too weird for them. I likewise hypothetically understand how women process their emotions but I don't get it, it's too weird for me. So that's at least one point of contention that has nothing to do with narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:39 AM
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Counterpoint, even men don't care about men's emotions. So why should women care?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:34 AM
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Okay great, now we have established that you don't have to hate someone in order to complain about them. From here it's not a huge stretch to assume that men complain about women simply because they don't have the capacity to understand them rather than because they don't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:23 AM
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It's not just this sub. Moaning and whining about your partner is a time-honored tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:18 AM
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I'm starting to believe that it's just flat out impossible for men and women to truly understand and empathize with each other. I think that people should get more comfortable with saying "yeah, I can't empathize with that". Mutual respect should be the goal, not understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:05 AM
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Chad with a guitar is more attractive than regular Chad. Things that work for Chad don't work for Billy Beta because he hasn't cleared the bar to even begin to be considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:36 AM
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I would start to hang out with my friends more and keep a busy schedule. Talk about all the awesome things that you did in a day that didn't involve him. Make it clear that lazy couch Netflix dates aren't happening anymore because you have more interesting things to do. If he wants to go on a date, he has to treat it like a date and make it worthwhile instead of just getting it by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:48 AM
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So imagine this: you are making good progress in your career. You are getting hotter every day because you have a good fitness routine and eat well. You are getting more skillful at your hobbies. In a situation like this, your guy has an innate understanding that you could, in fact, do better than him so he can't just get complacent and stop trying. So the red-pill-approved response would be to go hard on the self-improvement grind for a couple of months until your guy wakes the hell up and star…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:37 AM
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The red pill promotes "passive" dread game, which can be summed up as staying your own person and continuously working on improving yourself. This keeps a relationship fresh and exciting without having to play games, pretend that you don't care or do any other cringe stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:21 AM
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Example, no flowers or anything on Valentines Day. Be told I’m over communicating because he didn’t ask me what was bothering me. When asked what I want to eat, it’s now viewed as me taking over. This 100% sounds like he is making a clumsy attempt at the "dread" game. This is far beyond simply being lazy and forgetful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:06 AM
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Don't play games, but know how to respond to them. If your guy is just ignoring your opinion and doing whatever he wants, he is already playing a game with you, whether you like it or not. He is essentially testing the waters to see how much he can get away with. So you either beat him at his own game or dump him. Dumping him is probably the safer option.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:55 AM
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The red pill talks a lot about this. Something like the "dread" game is super effective at keeping your partner interested in you. The partner who cares less having all the power in a relationship is pretty much common knowledge. My take on this is that people grow bored of relationships where everything is easy and straightforward and stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:29 AM
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I don't like these stats. I'm going to pretend like I didn't see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:14 PM
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Btw LillthOfBabylon, your entire thread is a great example of why I said that the messaging around what women find attractive is insane. You and I seem to be in agreement that it boils down to "get rich and get hot". But that thread is full of people suggesting and arguing about a million different things. 🤣 This is why the red pill exists. It tries to make sense of all this conflicting messaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:58 PM
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They probably didn't dial in their nutrition or their programs are bad. Personally, I immediately started getting interest from women after getting jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:51 PM
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Offering someone a shoulder to cry on and listening to all of their problems is exactly how you end up becoming the oofy doofy friend zoned dork.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:39 PM
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That's literally what you just said. Just dressing better is not enough. You have to also do a whole bunch of other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:29 PM
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Well yes, if you think it is the only improvement you have to make and women will flock to you, you're going to be disappointed. So we're back to square one. There's very little reason to bother with dressing better if you still need to go to the gym to actually make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:27 PM
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When I say conservation skills I mean things like being a good listener and being empathetic, you seem to mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:20 PM
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Better conversation skills means being able to talk to others well. We seem to be working with two different definitions of "conversation skills" here. You seem to be giving an answer of a man who doesn't have the skills Let's stay civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:12 PM
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Good fitting clothes will make you look better instantly. Yea, this has not been my experience at all. If it were this simple, every dude would do it. A funny, charming dude on gear is going to do better than a dour asshole on gear. How many funny, charming dudes on gear do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:08 PM
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Better conversation skills could be how he talked himself into being the oofy doofy dork. Emotionally unavailable guy who's bad at talking could end up being accidentally seen as a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:58 PM
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Classic case: the friend zone. He could easily end up becoming the oofy doofy dork who has zero romantic chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:42 PM
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A jacked dude in a t-shirt and tight pants looks better than a scrawny dude in a fitted suit. Sure a jacked dude in a suit would look even better but it's not necessary. Going to the gym is just the best investment you can make and you can also literally start doing it today. Which brings me to my next point. If you are serious about going to the gym, your hormonal profile will change and make you more competitive. If you hop on steroids, you can forget about improving your personality. Improvin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:31 PM
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Red pillers should date feminists then and they can mutually hate each other and leave everyone else alone. Win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:23 PM
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These personality traits can absolutely enter into unfortunate combinations with other traits and make a man less appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:15 PM
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To be fair, most people don't start out with intrinsic knowledge of "get rich, get hot". It's something that they figure out after they have their own "red pill" moment and realize that being rich and hot is massively beneficial and makes you attractive. And women have their own "red pill rage" as well. Feminism has been raging about beauty standards for decades now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:11 PM
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Lots of women also like Draco Malfoy, but personally I think that trying to mimic him would be a terrible idea 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:03 PM
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I feel like the takeaway here should be that guys should be made aware of the "get rich, get hot" thing a lot earlier, before they reach the "red pill rage" phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:47 PM
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This is a terrible idea for a variety of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:43 PM
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That happens because they are already getting mad and combative by that point. There's a term for it in the red pill community: "red pill rage". When someone lives in fantasy land and then gets confronted with reality, the five stages of grief are a very natural reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:36 PM
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I just pulled up a random relationship advice thread. Here are some highly rated answers from women: Confidence, kindness, good sense of humor, and the ability to have a good conversation. Playfulness. Mainly personality. Jumping from that to "get rich and get hot" is like solving an obscure puzzle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:24 PM
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Get likable, get richer, get hotter. This is the red pill advice, yes. But it's not what usually gets parroted on those endless relationship advice threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:18 PM
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Women: Too many guys put no effort into appealing. Thats why so many are alone. And then when the guys ask what they can do to be appealing, they get told a bunch of nonsense that makes them even less appealing. Guys in general like women (and not only romantically, but also as friends). Guys find women interesting. Guys value women's opinions. It's just this one topic (dating) that's absolutely insane and has contradictory messaging coming in from every direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:09 PM
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You're asking about the basics of the alpha vs. beta theory. Women look for Chad while they think that they can convince him to stick around. If/when they realize that they can't lock down a Chad, they drop their standards and start to look for an oofy doofy beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:22 AM
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You have to remember: tourism is a business. The tourism industry is selling an experience and a part of that is making people feel like they've learned something about the local culture. They will inundate tourists with every exaggerated local stereotype that they can think of to make them feel like like they are getting their money's worth. I agree that they might feel like they have learned something, but they have most likely just reinforced various stereotypes without actually learning anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:07 AM
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They don't learn more about the world by traveling and they definitely don't learn more languages. They just get fleeced for money by local businesses. Tourists are cash cows, not wandering scholars.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:45 AM
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The girlfriend or wife who loves to travel is one of the leading protagonists in a lot of red pill horror stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:40 AM
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I'm always surprised by how little women on here understand male biology. Stuff like lifting will absolutely result in higher testosterone levels and various behavioral changes. Especially if you are on the "grindset" and putting a lot of effort into your career and personal goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:20 AM
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And you are ignorant about male biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:08 AM
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Once again, you are ignoring male biology. If you are male and start to lift seriously, it will absolutely change your hormonal profile and promote dark triad traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:06 AM
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You're ignoring male biology. As soon as a guy starts lifting, his testosterone level will start to increase and promote a more competitive mindset. From there it's a short road to dark triad traits. If he jumps on steroids, that's going to put all of the dark triad traits into overdrive almost immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:03 AM
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What's the alternative? He didn't go to the gym and lift. He didn't follow a skincare routine. He didn't look up fashion advice. He just went to bed and woke up as Chad the next day?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:53 AM
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He isn't just randomly attractive. He is attractive because he puts effort into being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:43 AM
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Sure he could be an awful partner and a father, but Chad is virtually guaranteed to have one or more of the dark triad traits to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:40 AM
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In the long run, it's a self-correcting problem. People will simply come up with a technological solution to loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:47 AM
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It's not acceptable, but it's the reality of modern society. You can't shame or appeal to the morality of someone who simply doesn't care. In this case, women are accountable because they have to deal with the consequences of a dude going out to buy milk and never coming back. The dudes who do that are not accountable by definition because they are simply walking away from the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:29 AM
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Sure thing. I'm yet to see a compelling argument that doesn't resort to moral shaming or an appeal to traditional values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:12 AM
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Can you explain why men should be held accountable? If a dude is not about that life, he can simply go out to buy some milk and never come back. Maybe he goes back to college to complete his studies. Or maybe he becomes a Formula One driver. In any case, he does not face any serious repercussions for just walking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:53 AM
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It exposed how people really are when they don't have to keep up the pretense of civility. As a result, people have become a lot more suspicious of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:50 AM
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They are being accountable, to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:20 AM
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Formal education does not always translate into street smarts. People should never take others at face value unless they have proven to be trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:12 AM
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It doesn't encourage better decision making. Attraction is non-negotiable so the oofy doofy dork still has zero chance unless he is willing to accept being settled for. It's more like gambling. They will still keep chasing Chad no matter how many bad experience they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:27 AM
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Surprising no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:00 PM
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It is, but the people in this thread are also accidentally dropping red pills all over the place, which never fails to be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:29 PM
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When you are the oofy doofy dork and she has Chad in her DMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:06 PM
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The internet just exposed how people really are when they don't have to keep up the pretense of civility. It's a good thing. You have more information than ever and can take an informed approach to dating. It's only bad if you liked the blue pilled fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:13 PM
1

They are salty because Elon helped Trump win the elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:48 PM
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They are not calling Elon Musk an incel because they actually believe that he's an incel. They are calling him an incel simply because that's the worst insult they can think of, betraying their lack of imagination. Before incel it was nerd... then nerds became cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:22 AM
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You're missing my point - they aren't doing nothing. They are continuing to happily participate in male-centric hobbies and activities. Sure some become lethargic and fall into depression but most get over it eventually and get on with their lives. It's not as simple as "yeah, those guys are losers".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:07 AM
1

Not the brag that you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:49 AM
0

Most of male hobbies are solitary or only garner interest from other guys...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:41 AM
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Lads, get ready to get red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:17 AM
1

Well, DEI and the woke culture in gaming are on their way out but they are going to destroy as many franchises as they can while they still hold power.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 06:01 AM
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See this is why the red pill is popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:55 AM
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They don't? Fit and cool guys are still as popular as ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:00 PM
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The reality is that many men are rejecting these so-called "standards" because they recognise how shallow and unsustainable they are. These standards have worked for thousands of years. Being physically fit and cool have always been the basics of male attractiveness. The modern social media packaging may be different, but the essence is still the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:41 PM
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Most people start doing things for superficial reasons. If they end up actually liking those activities, they will stick with them irrespective of the initial reason. In this respect, going to the gym to get hot chicks is a really good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:34 PM
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The red pill has nothing to do with incels. It's simply a dating strategy. Most of those things you have listed (go to the gym etc.) are actually the basics of the red pill...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:32 PM
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Most of red pill advice will result in a better life experience regardless. Lifting results in a healthier body and mind. Having lots of money will help you sleep better at night. If you have status, people will admire and respect you. Being alpha is absolutely worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:29 PM
2

The red pill criticism is that wanting to control women isn't very alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:43 PM
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True red pillers don't care about politics. In fact, the red pill is very critical of the "trad lifestyle" since ultimately it's just another blue pilled fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:31 PM
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I don't know if this was your intention, but your interpretation is even bleaker 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:56 PM
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No. Part of being attentive is the ability to discern between important information and noise. Hints and cues are generally not important so they get sorted into noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:54 PM
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Less attentive = no. Less likely to pick up on obscure hints and cues = yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:45 PM
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Link. "When looking at age and gender together, 63% of men under 30 describe themselves as single."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:28 PM
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I actually looked up the stats today and apparently most young men are not dating at all these days. So the article is wrong, real life dating is not back in fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:21 PM
1

I just looked up some stats and it seems like among zoomers there's way more single men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:36 AM
1

I don't know anyone in real life with crippling social anxiety or depression. It's an entirely online phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:25 AM
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People online act like they're scared of their own shadows. Of course they are not going to talk to Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:22 AM
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endless threads online Online is the keyword here. Online takes are not reflective of real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:17 AM
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It's not location-dependent. It depends on whether you are a Chad or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:13 AM
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True red pillers don't watch porn anyway since it's a complete waste of time. That said, most of these anti-porn arguments are shaky and rely on too many assumptions. Most dudes don't start to view women or sex differently just because they have watched porn. Maybe you could have an argument that dudes who spend thousands on OnlyFans content creators have an unhealthy overall relationship with women but that's because they get deep into parasocial relationships and become completely blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:04 AM
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Chad doesn't care about politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:17 AM
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Most people lean slightly to the right or left of center and have a lot of common political views even if they nominally identify as "conservative" or "liberal". Don't let Reddit play tricks on you. Both hardcore conservatives and liberals are fringe groups. For a normal person, political views don't matter in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:41 AM
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How many of Trump's cabinet picks are former Democrats? Not to mention the fact that Trump hasn't even read Project 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:27 PM
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Trump is slightly to the right of center, the very definition of moderate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:11 PM
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Every subreddit has people posting utterly vile things. MGTOW was not unique in that respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:03 PM
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If they were dating Chad, I don't think they would be going 4B.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:19 PM
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If MGTOW had made any serious attempts at recruiting, they wouldn't be virtually defunct nowadays. It was mostly a support group for newly divorced dudes who were occasionally bitter. Most of them either chilled out and really went their own ways after a while, or just got back into the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:16 PM
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You're overestimating how much bargaining power they actually have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:03 PM
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The key difference is that MGTOW's motto was "We don't recruit, we just watch them arrive". On the other hand the 4B movement is being aggressively advertised on social media platforms. The 4B movement is an attempt at an ideology while MGTOW was simply a support group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:51 PM
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The beginning of a red pill story.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:04 PM
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The rules are whatever they decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:19 AM
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"A lot of people" you will have to be more specific. Every woman in my social circle has somewhere between several hundred to a thousand posts on Instagram. Many have way more than a thousand posts. There's at least one with a private page (that I know of, it's probably more). Several outliers do not change the general observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:57 AM
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What is even this take? Most women have Instagram and other social media accounts these days. Sure they may only have 100 followers but they still try to copy influencers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:47 AM
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Not just WH40k. Every franchise is being turned into a cozy hugbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:48 PM
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Why focus on this sub? Most real life groups of friends have a mix of people in LTRs, people who play the dating game like pros and people who are chronically single.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:20 PM
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And yet that's how most real life groups of friends look.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:17 PM
3

Those are not the same groups of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:14 PM
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Happens when you repeatedly encourage someone to dig up past traumas and reaffirm them over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:06 PM
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Men are naturally action-oriented and are happy when they are doing things, not talking about them. Dealing with the source of distress instead of talking about it is the best option. After that, lifting, chopping firewood, eating lots of food, working on personal projects, gaming, reading, watching TV are all good options for emotional management. Men in general shouldn't buy into the "emotional vulnerability" and "men can cry too" narratives, they are not healthy for you. Being able to shrug o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:45 PM
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Society is in awe of high-functioning psychopaths. People are attracted to Dark Triad traits, simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:23 AM
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Men are naturally action-driven and want recognition and respect. Trying to replace this natural drive with blue pilled narratives is actually what makes men miserable, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:18 AM
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That's a blue pilled fantasy. You either buy into the emotional vulnerability narrative and become reliant on other people, or you develop manly and healthy emotional management strategies that get the job done.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 07:46 AM
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Men don't need emotional support. If you're a man and something is bothering you, it's your brain trying to prompt action from you. A hugbox is just wasting your time and preventing you from dealing with the source of your distress.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 07:37 AM
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What women here don't get is that guys don't get red pilled by other guys. It's not like there's some red pill cult that goes around handing out flyers. Men get red pilled by women. Red pill communities and influencers just explain those experiences and tell those guys that they aren't insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:49 AM
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Let's frame it differently, how many women are actually willing to entertain guys with good personalities?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:39 AM
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People have run dozens of "chadfishing" experiments on dating apps that prove that this is blatantly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:22 AM
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It's called pre-selection. Women care about what other women think so having a girlfriend immediately makes you more attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:19 AM
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Yea, that's why there is a communication breakdown. When guys say "bad boy", they mean chad. For women a "bad boy" is a borderline criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:44 PM
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So, what's an actual bad boy trait then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:38 PM
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Self-assured, success-oriented, not risk-averse, muscular, self-centered, emotionally guarded etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:31 PM
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Sure, there's billions of women so there's probably a woman who doesn't like bad boys out there somewhere. But that's irrelevant for most guys. We have to deal with the realities of the dating market and not just the outliers. Every guy I know who is in a successful LTR has one or more traits of a bad boy. The guys who don't are struggling massively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:55 PM
3

So in the end you're still concerned about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:48 PM
9

Where are all of these women who don't go for bad boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:45 PM
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That's the neat part, it attracts all kinds of women. Figuring out whether she is into you or just your money is not hard at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:42 PM
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That's because it's the quickest way to get a date. Money has universal appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:34 PM
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If you can't do well on a dating app, you won't do well with speed dating either. You need muscles and money. Once you pass the bar, you will start to get loads of interest and can just be as picky as you want. No need for gimmicky events.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:15 PM
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They are slightly to the right of center.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 10:01 AM
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The red pill is all about looking at the world objectively so no, it's not a delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:56 AM
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They can claim to be whatever they want to but it doesn't change the fact that they are firmly immersed in the blue pill fantasy. Red pillers know that men are valued for what they can do rather than who they are and act accordingly. It's blue pillers who buy into all the feel good narratives only to then realize that in the real world, no one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:41 AM
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The loneliness epidemic is a blue pilled narrative so this is in line with the OP's assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:10 AM
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The 2XC subreddit is a cult that is completely disconnected from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:37 AM
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The 2XC subreddit is literally a cult and even uses cult-like tactics like encouraging their subscribers to burn all bridges with their real life family and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:09 AM
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Yea, not to mention the fact that fixing a high-functioning psychopath is literally one of the most popular power fantasies among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:51 AM
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Society is literally in awe of high-functioning psychopaths. The red pill has been pointing this out for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:45 AM
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They couldn't afford the product anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:41 AM
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If they are checking out, they were not worth dating in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:35 AM
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Everyone? Not really, no. But it's not worth it trying to appeal to the 1% when you could be appealing to the other 99%. Basic economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:29 AM
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Revealed vs. stated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:24 AM
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There are dozens of "chadfishing" experiments showing that this is exactly what you should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:17 PM
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Fellas, don't be misled by the replies here. You just need a couple of shirtless gym mirror selfies and one photo showing off your bling. A picture is worth a thousand words.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:44 PM
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Everyone who is even slightly red pilled knows that it's all about fitness, money and social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:28 PM
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Because modern psychiatrists encourage them to repeatedly dig up past traumas and reaffirm them instead of moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:55 PM
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Lesbians have even more trouble dating so it appears as if women aren't even meeting their own supposedly low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:48 PM
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How is energy being defined and measured in this case though? Calories expended?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:41 PM
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How would you even measure parental investment? Do we have any data supporting the hypothesis that men are less invested?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:31 PM
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Any non-Reddit lesbian forums would do I guess. There were some subreddits a couple of years back but they got banned. You can look up the lesbiangang subreddit but it's extremely tame compared to some of the older ones. Even so you can find a ton of complaints about women playing games, leading them on, using them to get free stuff etc. Plus they have to deal with straight women pretending to be lesbians as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:58 PM
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It's practically identical to the red pill in every way except it sounds even harsher.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 11:29 AM
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Common sense is also a good source of advice. Things like working on your fitness, career and social status is very basic stuff that you can deduce even without any prior dating experience. Although lately there has been more scientific interest in this topic and the findings seem to align with what the red pill has been saying for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:23 AM
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Lesbians give good relationship advice for men but there's a catch. It's extremely red pilled to the point that it makes the actual red pill seem blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:17 AM
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It's not an "all men" issue, it's a "why do Redditors date men who smell bad?" issue. There's plenty of men who take care of themselves and show up in well-fitted suits to date night.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:18 PM
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Most bodybuilders would be classified as overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:01 PM
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How are those posts contradictory? In one post I listed some manly activities that make dudes happy, in that last post I said that every dude has his own path towards manliness. I don't see any inconsistencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:51 PM
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we’ve had like 4 bottles of wine at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:45 PM
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That subreddit is a cult, and not the cool kind of cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:42 PM
1

Why do you think that it's a performance?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:30 PM
0

Nothing wrong with manning up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:21 PM
1

A bit of a lame answer but: you can't. A man's manliness is about his inner state of being. Society and culture give some clues and ideas about what manliness may be, but ultimately every man has to decide what it means for himself. It's not about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:24 PM
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I wouldn't say that. A successful relationship is more than just the "spark". You also need to manage a shared household and finances and communication is absolutely essential for that. I also wouldn't say that you need conflict in order to keep a relationship exciting. You don't need huge verbal disagreements and shouting matches. Just don't be a complete doormat, offer some pushback instead of just agreeing all the time and don't get lazy or complacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 03:21 PM
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They are frustrated because they are not in touch with their manliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 03:14 PM
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Why would you want women to date men whom they don't find attractive? That's not very manly at all, basically admitting failure. Most heterosexual men want to date women because they like women, not just what women can do for them. And yes, it's supposed to be challenging. It's just how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 03:09 PM
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Why can't they just articulate their needs though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:46 PM
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Some men really aren't helping their case though. You regularly have even red pilled dudes saying some very blue pilled things and reinforcing every negative stereotype about themselves. Men need to embrace the fact that dating for success can be very challenging. You can't change it, it's just how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:59 AM
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Trad "red pill" is anything but red pilled. It's a joke at this point that red pillers have to be constantly reminded that the red pill is a dating strategy, not a movement or an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:47 AM
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Cut him some slack, he wants to eat the "traditional way" while most people were severely malnourished for most of history. If you want to accomplish impressive feats of strength, you have to pound protein shakes and eat over 5000 calories a day. "Unhealthy" and "processed" foods are the only feasible way of getting so many calories in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:35 AM
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I'm late to the party since I only started to notice it in the late 2010s. But in general, I think that calmer emotions like mild contentment, bored indifference or slight discomfort should be normalized again. It seems to me that wild swings between extreme emotional states is what is actually harmful to mental health rather than what people like to call "burying your emotions" or being emotionally repressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 09:41 PM
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In my opinion, modern culture is placing too much of an emphasis on talk instead of action. Every silly feeling is validated and people are encouraged to just sit around and wallow for years and years instead of taking concrete steps to improve their situation. If you take a look at various meditative practices, the goal is always to acknowledge your feelings but also realize that they are silly and not worth stressing about. Trying to constantly dig up and analyze past trauma is the opposite of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:49 PM
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There is an identity crisis among young men because activities that have traditionally allowed men to connect with their manliness have been replaced by a completely sedentary lifestyle. When you are moving heavy objects, chopping firewood, working on personal projects and eating lots of food, you don't need any of that emotional vulnerability nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:39 PM
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Crying is not seen as manly because it simply isn't. The path to happiness as a man is doing manly stuff like lifting, chopping firewood, working on personal projects, playing video games, watching movies and eating lots of food. If anything, modern culture is trying to convince men that they ought to be emotionally vulnerable and have ugly crying sessions with the lads.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:30 PM
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Forewarned is forearmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:26 PM
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That's an awful lot of assumptions. If people had to relearn everything from scratch every time, nothing would ever get done.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:26 PM
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Good. I get content, they get money. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:16 PM
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What's your stack?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 05:08 PM
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How many times is this same story going to be posted???!!!!! Reddit is now entertaining instead of legit stories asking for advice!!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 05:04 PM
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The novel version will probably be a bestseller in 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 05:02 PM
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Staying angry at the world instead of embracing it is a very blue pilled behavior to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 04:45 PM
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There are grifters, sure. Doesn't mean that all red pill content is one giant grift though. There are plenty of content creators who don't sell or advertise anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:03 PM
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No, I don't think it actually does. It's pretty honest but blue pilled guys just ignore the parts that they don't like. What mainstream culture does try to do is normalize blue pilled behaviors that are extremely unappealing to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:41 PM
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After a year or so maybe. But it's very common for newcomers to be frustrated because they feel like they've been lied to by mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:25 PM
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Looks are only a part of the equation. Money and social status can be just as important. If you are lagging in one department, you have to make up for it by doing your best in others. Most of red pill frustration comes from men not understanding women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:15 PM
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Well, they failed spectacularly at their job since it's impossible to even tell what they are supposed to be advertising. And of course everyone thinks that they are cringe and lame now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:04 PM
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Nah, not at all. It's more about people bringing college vibes into an environment that's supposed to be professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:00 PM
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It's simply emblematic of everything that's wrong with the modern corporate environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:51 PM
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The red pill has become synonymous with other movements that have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:45 PM
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Just typical blue pilled behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:41 PM
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What happened to "honesty is the best policy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 01:08 PM
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Most studies just confirm what people knew anyway thanks to common sense. Saying that something is science-based is just a sales pitch to get people invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:44 AM
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I don't think that football fans care all that much about manliness. It's more about rooting for your favorite team, which is gender-neutral in my opinion. Other sports like bodybuilding that are all about being manly have completely fallen out of the mainstream. I don't think anyone even knows who this year's Mr. Olympia is. As for TV shows, it has become very common to have a female protagonist even in male-focused genres and franchises.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 07:16 PM
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Right, so it seems odd to claim that everybody insists on hyper masculinity when we have a clear example that shows people want different things. Saying that people want different things is a bit misleading. It's more accurate to say that they want different subtypes of the same thing. Bears, twinks, it doesn't matter. In the end, they still want a man who is capable and self-sufficient. but I'm confused how men are being prevented from doing these nor is it clear how feminists fit in. They are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:40 PM
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One of the complaints in the linked post is that some gay men complain that other men are too masculine. And another complaint is that all the gay bros want the "unrealistic masculine guy". What I mean by manly activities is stuff like playing sports, lifting, chopping firewood, building and repairing things, helping your local community, drinking beer with the lads and having a good career. Sure you can do all of these things if you go out of your way, but most dudes are simply staying home and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:15 PM
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There are many ways to be manly, but I guess the most typical example is a bad boy who eventually mellows out. So a dude who is dependable and family-oriented but retains just enough of his bad boy qualities to remain attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:05 PM
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See my other answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:50 PM
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See my other answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:50 PM
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The current assumption is that we are culturally enlightened and free of various gender-based norms and expectations. Which is not true for men. Men who are not manly are viewed as ridiculous by practically everyone. At the same time, most activities that have previously let men connect with their manliness are gone and replaced with a completely sedentary lifestyle. As a result, lots of men are appealing neither to women nor gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:43 PM
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No, I'm hinting at the lost art of manliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:31 PM
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Because there is an identity crisis as to what it means to be a man in the current cultural landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:24 PM
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My impression is that a lot of men simply don't know how to be appealing to women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:15 PM
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The red pill does not promote hatred or misogyny. It's simply a dating strategy, not an ideology. There are certain other movements that have latched onto the red pill but they actually have nothing to do with it. True red pillers laugh at them and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:13 PM
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The red pill is all about universal common sense advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:05 PM
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Pretty much the entirety of the married red pill subreddit is about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:02 PM
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Yes, they were "average looking" because the women in the study rated practically no man as above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:36 PM
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It's a smart way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:23 PM
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Manosphere content is not ideal, but it's a lot better than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 11:15 AM
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"It came to me in a dream".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 09:46 AM
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That's why one of the most important lessons of the red pill is that you never get complacent or start taking the relationship for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 09:38 AM
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There are no benefits to being your authentic self (unless your authentic self is really awesome, which is rather rare). On the contrary, there's a lot of benefits to being the version of yourself that other people like. It only becomes a problem if you get lazy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 08:23 AM
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It's better to stop viewing it as a facade and simply consider it to be a different version of yourself. It's also better to stop viewing it as some super hard and mentally draining skill. If you can present a better version of yourself at work for most of the day, you can surely continue to do so at home as well. It's even better to reframe it completely as simply keeping your personality quirks and flaws in check rather than putting up a facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:52 AM
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Most of these answers aren't really red pilled. They are red-pill-adjacent, yes, but a truly red pilled answer to all of them would be "this is none of my concern". It's a dating strategy, not a science or an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:06 PM
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Why does it matter? It's just an attempt to rationalize why working on your fitness, career and social status is the correct strategy. The goal of the red pill is to get guys started on their journey of self-improvement. The sales pitch is not that important. If the assumptions are right and the strategy works, it's good. If the assumptions are wrong but the strategy works, it's still good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:32 PM
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Sometimes you need an external push to start doing something. There's nothing wrong with having superficial motivation when you are just picking up a new activity or making a lifestyle change. If you enjoy it, you will stick with it in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:04 PM
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It's not pretending. Working on your fitness, career and social status doesn't fundamentally change who you are. It's more like character development.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:56 PM
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Also steroids and other anabolic drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:30 AM
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Unintentional red pill advice 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:41 AM
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A slightly shy / nerdy chad is still a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:27 AM
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Come on now. "I can fix him" is a meme for a reason. It's not a generalization. Most women really do find bad boys appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:22 AM
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Most guys want to get to know a woman at least a little bit before getting intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:55 AM
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