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You read what you want to read...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:02 PM
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Must be my millennial narcissistic craving for validation...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:42 PM
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My point was the exact opposite of that. These women usually don't have adventurous lifestyles: if they travel at all it's to the same places everytone else goes to, if they have hobbies they aren't anything spectacular and they aren't professional artists or test pilots either. P.S. I got my master's without help from my parents and a job that pays above the national average before I turned 30 and I exercise/do sports 5 days a week so you can kiss my well-shaped millennial ass ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:38 PM
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Yes, I'm okay with second wave feminism and I don't want a SAH woman. My post was supposed to be humorous but also meant to demonstrate that many women still chase men for their income, even if these women have an income themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:30 PM
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It's not "patently obvious", at least not in women. I mean yeah, they're probably not complete shut-ins but that's a very low bar. IMO most are just "almost hot" party girls with a muffin top who don't really have much exciting, unique or daredevillish going on in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:11 PM
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Yeah, but the moral of the story (that women have it harder and get used all the time) falls flat because men literally get women trying to use them for getting at that $25k...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:27 PM
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It's ironic that the money is meant as a metaphor for female beauty/sex appeal here and the story then being about what women deal with, while if you removed the metaphor it would describe what men deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:35 PM
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High n doesn't instinctively turn men on for casual sex, so you're right there's no such instinct. It's just that for casual sex men consciously reason high n women must be easier (well, often you don't even have to know she's high n, her being easy is given away by the same factors that caused her high n in the first place).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:32 PM
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Still hundreds of millions of men from diverse ethnicities, that would easily be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 03:52 PM
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Having to vet high n people doesn't mean you don't have to vet the other extreme either. Seriosuly, why do you simply assume bad faith like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 03:32 PM
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Or a marker of dumpster diving Yes, I think pre-selection mostly works if the woman has the idea that the other women had some value relative to her own, even so, you being able to go up, even to fat chicks, and get them to have sex with you means your confidence and social skills can't be completely shitty, that must be worth something, especially when you're being shy around the new woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 02:02 PM
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If you have a high n yourself, care a lot about advanced, uninhibited sex and are open to poly arrangements it would make sense to go for a high n partner, though you still have to vet heavily for all the crazies and unstable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:59 PM
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This is gold, very good post!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:54 PM
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Chad can fulfill the sperm donor role...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:14 PM
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I agree with you, but I'm just telling you what the prevailing attitude is (though less so in France, which is why Deneuve stepped up).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:10 PM
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So, while you're commenting on the lonely men, there is probably a lonely woman out there suffering just as much for each man in that position. I assure you its not them who are asking not to be hit on at work... Then they have to step up like Deneuve did or they're gonna be cat ladies. But to be fair more women are (time-)sharing men than the reverse so that's also a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:08 PM
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There are plenty of people out there who seem to think that hitting on women should be forbidden, yet don't have any solution for average men's loneliness and seem to think it's not a problem if they stay alone all their life. At least it's how the discussion went everytime. The crux of the matter is that most believe in a just world with an equal SMP. The prevailing attitude (especially among the more feminist people) is still that if men only stopped lusting for "supermodels" they would easily…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 11:51 AM
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French attitudes were different from American ones to begin with and it's good to see them push back against American women pushing their attitudes on the rest of the world and ironic considering these American women would probably say they're heavily against colonialism if asked. The French are also more down to earth in the sense that they're less likely to believe in a just world hypothesis where there are enough high quality men for every woman and low quality men will sort themselves out or…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 11:39 AM
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I tend to also think c) some men don’t want to admit they find it icky so they come up with other “more logical reasons” is apart of it. The icky feeling is an instinct against cuckoldry. And it happens to still be a useful instinct. I know a lot of promiscuous women and consider some of them my friends, but honestly there's not one of them I would consider seriously dating. They usually became promiscuous because of emotional or mental issues and really can't maintain functioning long term rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 11:32 AM
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It was definitely rational before reliable birth control and condoms (against STDs) existed. It's a very rational instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:03 AM
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I really doubt it's the N count itself that causes divorce. It's probably a personality trait that is more common in promiscuous people. That is true in principle, but the correlation is so strong it's much easier to just avoid LTRs with promiscuous women altogether. Unless the man has a very specific emotional bond and strong compatibility in other fields with the promiscuous woman it's just not worth the rime vetting her, or the risk his vetting overlooks something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 09:53 AM
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Assuming they are of sound mind [...] Assuming the road is empty, what's the big deal about drunk driving... Promiscuous women usually have issues, and even if they don't, they're usually not the type to put in the effort required to deal with the inevitable rough patches of a serious relationship. This sounds horribly sexist but it is true in my experience, and it's a bit less sexist when you consider the same is usually true for extremely promiscuous men and older virgin men. wouldn't caring a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:46 AM
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Yes, it does matter a lot for a man's RMV, not so much for his SMV though...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:38 AM
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The tone and moral framework are different, that does make some genuine, though a lot of the difference in reactions is indeed just emotional/virtue signaling. Also I find DrNerdLove's advice to be quite bad actually: it often comically goes out of its way to present women as infallible and totally-not-shallow-ever (I think the guy believes he has to overcompensate to counter incel misogyny, but that reduces the value of his advice), and it only really "works" for "high nerds" like myself (and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:36 AM
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My female feminist friend found it awesome because of this. I wasn't really bothered by it, and think Leia as they portray heris a good enough leader, though I think Finn is a more interesting character than everyone else in the cast and deserves more screentime and depth, and he's black and most of the faults of the movie were inherent the writing and the messy "story", so there's nothing wrong with the contrived diversity per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:34 AM
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It won't work: 9 out of 10 times she won't respect him enough in the end. Not all dominant men are tradcons: I am dominant and like dominant women, though there's a fine line between dominance and just being an annoying bitch who thinks she's smarter and tougher than she really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:25 AM
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Yes, I'm naturally dominant (ENTP), but I had always learned to reign that in around women (all women, not just the ones I was interested in), and less dominant men because I didn't want to unnecessarily intimidate them or come across as an asshole, I don't like stepping on people who have no ill will towards me. It's been a long and hard road internalizing that I have to let my dominance run free around women I like because otherwise I'll only ever attract shy demure women (and I don't like tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 02:59 PM
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One last time: he's not boasting about fake value he doesn't have in one field (he's not lying about being a better lover or having a bigger dick, or being STD-free, or anything that could possibly matter for casual sex), he's only hiding high value he has in another field. And again, can you point to anything material, even if it's just social backlash that the woman is actually losing/risking here? In the case of a woman lying about her n count the man risks an increased chance of getting chea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 02:53 PM
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I still don't see anything that suggests she's losing out on anything other than on some principal philosophical level where a woman with a rule that says she only sleeps aries men would lose out on something in principal if she slept with a pisces man who lied about being an aries man. I mean if that's your position it's fine, we can agree to disagree. But then again, I think you really just have an axe to grind with the red pill so you keep grinding hoping you can get a "gotcha!" moment out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:39 PM
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I never said they needed to enjoy "lots of" casual sex. What do you believe then? That they go through phases where they either sleep with attractive men, regardless of the RMV of those men, or go for exclusive relationships, even if a man with stellar SMV (but low or mediocre RMV) crosses her path? I mean such women do exist: usually they sleep around for a while after a break up and then get fed up with it. But I don't think the group I described before is a tiny minority compared to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:12 PM
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Why not? Some guys they'll see as relationship material, some not, but still hot/exciting. And like I said, many women may want to sleep with the relationship right away but they'll be afraid that will make him not respect her, or they feel it would hurt too much if he left afterwards, more than him simply not asking her on a date, so they'll wait, or they feel too nervous/self-conscious. Even here on PPD I've seen women say these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:04 PM
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This is my only account on Reddit, 'tis the truth Go to a place like this and you'll see plenty of women and girls obsessing about how long they "should make a guy wait to be sure he really likes her", but I can assure you I've heard that sentiment IRL too. But even if you don't believe that I find it really strange you won't believe women want to be taken on a few dates before having sex with a man they see as boyfriend material even if they've recently had casual sex with another man (which I …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:48 PM
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I don’t think of the women who have casual sex, most of them are employing some strategy of giving it up super quick and easy and then turning around shortly thereafter making some guy wait around for a while beforehand, because this one she wants to LTR. This is actually fairly common though. Sometimes women will literally say it, because they believe a man won't respect her if she has sex with him immediately (and this is actually true for some men too), though I think most of the time it's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:36 PM
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Yeah, maybe you're right. In my head the "just escalate more quickly" theory is the main competing theory to the theory I wrote in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:30 PM
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We are only friends online. Then it's simply not going to mean much to him, and for all he knows you're a gross catfish, maybe even a dude... Would you date her? No, but I don't see myself as a subhuman incel either. I just don't base my attractiveness level on what female friends tell me it is, because for all I know they might just be trying to be nice (women give each other fake compliments all the time too), I base it on comparing myself to other men I've seen women be attracted to in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:05 PM
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I suppose it (valdiating through actions, even if it's just "pity sex") could make men more confident, which increases their attractiveness a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:43 PM
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No it's not. And it's not just me. Multiple people/women like them and think they are great. They don't believe any of them. So then why aren't they getting any, not from these "multiple women" and not from the female friends of those women either? If he's really that attractive he should at least be getting IOIs (which you should be pointing out to him) and sometimes having his female acquintances trying to set him up with their friends (and not just that one fat, obnoxious "friend" who always …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:40 PM
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You're confusing omegas with betas and women don't see artists as dominant, they do see them as attractive sometimes, but not because of dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:10 PM
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You've changed my view a bit. Haha, is this really the internet? Is this a dream or am I dead? For what it's worth, yes, I believe some men are a danger to themselves or society because they don't seek help for very serious problems, and men are more likely to be like that than women are, but I think this is dwarfed by systemic problems like overdiagnosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:19 PM
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The sensitive struggling artist is very different from the outlaw biker. The artist isn't dominant or alpha, the biker is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:15 PM
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I'm sure there's some where the male character is a struggle artist or misunderstood genius. So not alpha or high status, but still mysterious and ridiculuously good-looking (and probably a major douche if he were a real person). This is a thing IRL too for certain niches of women: not all Chads are dominant, muscular men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:00 PM
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Exactly. It's not just the government: it's also government contractors, healthcare, education and many white collar jobs as well, basically the majority of the labor market.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:43 PM
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Who cares if you got the way through therapy, pills, meditation or whatever other method? Because it's usually hereditary, and episodes can come back and fuck up a relationship, and usually the medication influences your life, isn't 100% effective, has side effects, not to mention when you're brought into the ER and your girlfriend faithfully swears to the doctor you're not on any medications (because you never told her) and you die because of a reaction between the meds in your system and the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:25 PM
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You can tell them a million times that they are attractive Who's doing that, his mom, his friends? Even women tend to not take that seriously, interpreting them as plattitudes instead, so why would men? You can bet he'll believe it when it's said by an attractive woman who then proceeds to have sex with him. But that doesn't happen very often, so how attractive can he really be then? and have a great personality It's a meaningless plattitude, or worse: it's what people say when you're ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:10 PM
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It's not just very religious men. It's every man who falls in love with his co-worker, friend, classmate, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 04:09 PM
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Sure we can. Post-sex clarity is when the man was in lust and confused that with being in love, but that doesn't mean all men are only in lust all the time with a woman they haven't had sex with yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 04:08 PM
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It's shitty to lie about that in a LTR. But if he remains blissfully ignorant by never getting a diagnosis there's nothing to lie about. In addition, employment opportunities, and therefore earning potential dry up when a man has been diagnosed and a diagnosis often becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy so it's certainly not always preferable to get the diagnosis. Your reaction does highlight an important difference in attitudes between men and women. You think men who tough it out are missing out …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 03:56 PM
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So you think the majority of women who are open to casual sex don't alternate between casual sex and relationships? Do you even know any women under the age of 30, or even 50?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 03:25 PM
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What most women do is irrelevant, what women who have casual sex (and they're not some tiny minority) do is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:57 AM
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In my country there are no elite universities and there really are more female than male doctors and lawyers graduating for years now. But yeah, you do have a point that most of the surplus comes from lower value/status fields, still that's not stopping these women from almost exclusively going after educated men (but yeah, probably just making educated Chad more busy).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:58 AM
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The problem is most with high RMV guys lead with their RMV. Instead treat her no different than a guy with zero RMV and high SMV would treat her. Thank you, this is a good challenge and definitely something I have considered before. I was hoping to see how common this view is compared to others. (Note: you say place, not house) Isn't that low key hiding of your RMV? I mean at the least it seems like very fine line between hiding and not leading with. If she asks you what your job is, and you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:51 AM
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They're twins: they both have MC credentials by virtue of being born in it and having MC friends. The second twin didn't grow up in a trailer park.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:06 AM
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Yeah, but this is true of anti-RPers too, and general society as well really...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:05 AM
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So then it really is just UMC-Chad sucking up the surplus (in addition to their usual share) and the women apex-fallacing, I was afraid of that, but I was hoping I was wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:03 AM
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I would agree most don't bring enough to the table. Still, supposedly they're throwing themselves at educated men, and I haven't seen that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:11 AM
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So it's not just "personal preferences" and indeed more like a grand social scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:06 AM
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Given your relationship history I say you have to be a bit more cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:33 AM
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I specifically did not mean friendzone: they do want to date the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:31 AM
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This seems to be the prevailing "preference", she says herself she expects other women to feel the same and in PPD threads on the subject the same pattern appears. Note that this isn't American puritanism at work: it's the same in otherwise sex-positive countries. It wasn't always that way so it definitely has something to do with societal/cultural mores, though prostitution likely always envoked some kind of negative response in women (because of mate guarding instincts or the lack of pre-selec…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:08 AM
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Ron Swanson's head is the international symbol for "man".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 12:31 AM
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Lol, yeah. I hope the other guy doesn't fall for her (would you warn him?) How would you say my OP plays into their situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 12:19 AM
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So you're demonizing prostitution, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 12:12 AM
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Those women are already LTR-minded, it doesn’t have to do with the man, per se. They probably aren’t going to have casual sex with him anyway, whether he displays high RMV or not. Except she fucked a guy two hours after meeting him last week... and will fuck another guy next week if this current guy doesn't ask her out on a date. Or, less extreme, she has a FWB while she's chasing this guy she sees as "boyfriend material". It sure seems women in my social circle and its surroundings are much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 11:39 PM
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Then the idiots think they are the hot guys she's dressing up for... but then again, fortune favors the bold (most guys would die alone if they didn't sometimes assume they're attractive to a woman and hit on her), they just should learn to take no for an answer...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 11:34 PM
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They're not saying "attention from everyone", now are they (if they are then they're idiots, but trust me that all the guys I know understand it's not about random slobs)?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 11:25 PM
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In the lower class single motherhood is a yuuuge problem IMO. Supposedly, according to some media, in the UMC there is the problem of a surplus of educated professional women that's giving all the power to the men to just pump & dump women. As an educated professional UMC man I can't say I've noticed this deluge of desperate women... maybe UMC-Chad just got more plates, or maybe it's just mediahype...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:44 PM
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It's because they see male sexuality as inherently predatory, even if all the poor bastard wants is to raise a family with a spouse who won't bite his head off and is medically fit to birth children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:38 PM
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What else can society do for you? I suppose legalizing prostitution (and not demonizing it) would help. That's how medieval Europe addressed a surplus of unmarriagable men, even the Catholic church tacitly looked the other way. How come even the most progressive societies today can't manage that? Teaching boys more about what's really attractive to women (not just the BS plattitudes) would help. If I ever have a son he can be a nerd some of the time, but I'll drag his ass to some type of physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:36 PM
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Yeah, that's really the crux of the whole thing, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:30 PM
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You do realize that this is the same, in reverse? If a woman follows the advice to hide her n count, the man isn’t really losing out on anything because she wasn’t planning on having casual sex with him. She’s looking for a relationship, not casual sex. At least not anymore. No, he does lose something: if she has to hide her n count than he feels he would be better off alone or with another woman, so she's taking that away from him. This could cost him years of his life, years he could have spen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:32 PM
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What I have done, and I believe many women do, is try to put extra effort into my appearance when there's a chance I'll run into one specific guy who I already have developed an interest in. To be fair, this is what I would mean by saying "you did that for a guy", and I think a lot of other men would too. I don't think there are a lot of men who believe women dress or put make up on for every slob who might see them on the street and it's simply strawmanning when women respond as if the men beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 09:24 PM
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You do realize that this isn’t any different from a girl hiding her promiscuous past, n count and current general sluttiness in order to snag an ltr from a desirable guy? No, it's not the same. It would be the same if the man lied about his RMV (and fidelity) being higher than it actually was. If a man follows OP and it works for him the woman isn't losing out on anything because he wouldn't have had a relationship with her anyway, he's literally underselling himself. It's the difference between…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 08:47 PM
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I count that as hiding (artificially lowering) your RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 07:22 PM
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When you think of a high RMV men do you picture a younger, and better looking Richard Branson type or your handsome (but not Brad Pitt), smart coworker who played so adorable with that puppy that was found in the company parking lot this morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 07:15 PM
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Yup, basically what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:49 PM
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Girls will want to sleep with you more if you have high RMV. Relationship sex doesn't count in this OP. Do you think it's still true for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:47 PM
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Disagree. I think the highest probability of casual sex would be to have an obviously high RMV, but being exclusive about it. Why? Because the woman can't help but secretly hoping she can change the man's mind later?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:45 PM
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This is not limited to men, just listen to a single mom complaining about her dating life. It's also perfectly okay to get upset about it, we don't tell amputees or infertile people to suck it up either. If you get dealt a shitty lot in life while still being stuck with all of society's obligations you have a right to complain and ask people for help.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:42 PM
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Here's a piece of aluminium foil, look, you can bend it!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:35 PM
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I refuse to buy diamonds other than those embedded in cutting and polishing implements. As you should since those diamonds are made in factories, "real" diamonds (they're chemically identical, but they get a different certificate) are typically mined by poor brown people in the third world. But I guess to some nothing says I love you better than the blood and sweat of child slaves...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:34 PM
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What would you rather have? A big ring, a flashy wedding or a nice home for the new family? Yeah exactly, or replace the home with a savings account, or a college fund for a kid, or a unique travel experience together, etc... I simply can't respect women who would choose the ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:30 PM
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I know, it was a crude example from pop culture. But the guy who commented about apartments was right on the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:17 PM
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Yeah, you basically said what I was thinking. To clarify: I don't mean she's going to let you wait three years, just probably three dates where she is convinced you want a relationship, which, if you don't, can only be achieved by lying and that's a shitty thing to do. You'd be surprised. A lot of women confuse men being kind or trying to get to know them as a person as a hidden signal he's looking for a relationship, as opposed to just having respect for other human beings. When I ask female fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:16 PM
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They would not disagree with that. They would just say it's the logical thing to do since it's more enjoyable and it's impossible to get the "other side" to play fair anyway. You're trying to apply morality to something that's inherently amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:08 PM
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RP isn't dedicated to the advancement of the species. RP says they've seen all hope is lost anyway because women select against the advancement of the species so better to just "enjoy the decline".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:04 PM
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They're not "taught" to be entitled. They have a biological need for intimacy and (usually) procreation. It's a basic need and saying it's "entitlement" is a cheap cop out, a buzzword designed to shame people and stifle all discussion when you have no real arguments, just like the word "insecurity". Also, people tend to forget society isn't free: it places a lot of burdens and obligations on people. You have to pay taxes (which are a net transfer from men to women and children), sign up for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:56 PM
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Well, fuck 'em. Follow my list of rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:41 PM
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Expensive engagement rings are an obsolete relic, here are my rules for dealing with the situation: 1) Don't get married. 2) If you were too stupid to follow rule #1 then don't get an expensive engagement ring. 3) If she refuses anything but an expensive engagement ring than marry another woman. 4) If she insists on a diamond ring get her a ring with an industrial diamond. 5) If she insists that industrial diamonds don't count then take $1000 from your joint bank account and donate it to a chari…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:11 PM
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Those do exist. You also have ones who do party but are not promiscuous and ones who are promiscuous but don't party and don't reel in a sucker provider (they'll marry the same type of guy they have casual sex with), etc...
/r/ExRedPill07/01/18 05:08 PM
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I'm not against people having the right to change their last name. I'm talking about what the default system should be and since there are thousands upon thousands of John Smiths or Maria Jacksons as well we might just as well call more kids Shaniqwa or Jakwonde and arrive at the same level of uniqueness without last names.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 05:05 PM
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Then why not make it random pick at the wedding? And if last names stop having genealogical value why have last names at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 04:21 PM
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Then they're still choosing either their mother's or father's name. Tough one to explain to your parents and not gender-equal unless you toss a coin, but then why not toss a coin at the wedding or the parents to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 04:19 PM
1

Do you think there's a difference in attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 03:12 PM
1

Do you think one of these groups of girls are higher quality than the other, on average?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 02:45 PM
3

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 02:43 PM
2

Yes, but they drop half the last names each generation so it's still possible for grandma's name to die out and therefore doesn't really solve the "problem" of a woman's line disappearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 02:24 PM
1

or a hyphonated version with a similar solution for their children. Hyphonated isn't going to work with children unless you want your grandchildren to have 4 last names and their children 8, and so on...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:43 PM
1

Getting female friends, and really only as friends, intentionally choose unattractive girls if that makes it easier, is a good first step. Then it's on to improving your own looks (low body fat, good haircut and healthy skin are essential) and studying up on body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:07 PM
2

I think it's average and below average/slightly above average girls, but mostly average girls. But usually the more extroverted kind. The way you describe yourself sounds like the wallflower girl, not the cheerful chubby party girl who hits on drunk guys at parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:05 PM
3

But I am still gross to 99.999% of men. If you're even gross to 90% of men you are well below a 6. I'm guessing you're overestimating the percentage of guys who find you gross, by a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 12:57 PM
1

There is no right answer to this. You could argue the father's name because it's tradition and maintains genealogical continuity with past records, or you could argue the mother's name because only the mother is certain to be the parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 12:53 PM
1

She's very good and honest. A nice alternative to TRP and the more testosterone-fueled PUAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 11:43 AM
1

Yes, it's exactly like that in the alternative scene, and many bars as well. And really, online dating is the same too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 11:34 AM
4

If you're a 6 you can still find Chads on tinder for casual sex. If that's what you want you can definitely get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:49 AM
4

IMO it's the extroverted average girls. Nerdy girls can be in certain subcultures but they're often just pressured into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:42 AM
1

Then she's not falling for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 01:37 AM
2

I know women don't like me for me, but for the things I have built around my life. Well, there's always the possibility she always liked (or would have liked) you as a person, but you didn't cross her attractiveness treshold before you started improving, and now you do so she loves you. I'd be fine with that deal, I mean I've had that the "you're awesome, if only you lost weight..." with girls and don't feel I disrespected them because of that. Just sayin'... it's a possibility...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 09:38 PM
2

In the book the guy is a typical player who plates her. He and his friends actually make a game out of breaking up with their plates (including her) because they're being called back to their parents where they will marry ladies. The other girls laugh it off because they've been expecting it and it was just fun to them as well, but Fantine was a virgin before and ver naive. Whether she's an alpha widow, or if she would had accepted other men and just pined because she was shunned and he was her …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 09:02 PM
3

Nope, there are many girls who can't have me for casual sex. I have male friends who have standards for it to. Yeah, guys will dumpsterdive but a female 4 can't just pull any male 9, or maybe only once when he's drunk and has a limp dick. She might be able to make a 7 a FB, but there definitely are limits. And to put a ring on it she probably only can get a 5 or lower to do that, so she has to make a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 08:12 PM
2

There are more non-crazy/non-desperate women on there and for a man it doesn't scream "I'm a desperate awkward loser who can't get dates IRL" as much as regular dating sites because tinder is very mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 07:15 PM
1

Given your age and attitude (you'll enjoy the food even if the date sucks) it sounds fine, assuming the restaurant is well-known enough for most women on tinder to know where/what it is. The only downside (or maybe to you it's an upside) is that you'll never be matched with women who are vegetarian. It's a good enough bio and the more info you provide in your bio the more ammunition women have to reject you before they've even met you, so keeping it short is the way to go. About the paying for i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 07:10 PM
3

I'm not RP but come on, everyone knows (or knew) a girl who only likes bad boys and dismisses "good" men, for being too boring/passive/predictable/"unmanly", even if those good men are physically attractive, don't tell me you've never seen this...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 07:08 PM
1

"Alpha" is a class of men, not a particular man. According to the theory she could be happy with other alphas, the problem arises when she can't get an alpha to commit to her or if she likes a specific, negative type of alpha (like the criminal, abusive, or deadbeat ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 07:03 PM
2

I feel like "slut shaming" in its most explicit forms are mainly isolated to sixteen-year-olds and drunk proles anyway, especially coming from men. Most men know better. This is true. Most men really don't care unless it's their girlfriend or wife. Perhaps. It's quite likely that I'm biased by the fact that I have a happy marriage, and have intentionally sought out other happily married people to socialize with. I personally believe the adage that the husband is the head, the wife is the neck. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:57 PM
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It stops being settling when she feels genuine attraction. If the aggressive (but controlled) tough guy soldier makes her wet the same way the aggressive (but uncontrolled) thug did then all is well. Of course if she's actually explicitly attracted to uncontrolled aggression then yes, she's SOL and forced to settle or spend her life getting (ab)used by thugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:51 PM
2

That's a very, very low bar IMO... I'm sure if I contacted some desperate single mom on OKC and told her about my good job and stable life she would comply with all 3 rules, but I doubt she'd be really in love with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:48 PM
1

I had that with my first girlfriend, for a while... and even then I had developed some measure of artificially induced oneitis because she had a boyfriend when I met her (she broke up with him a few weeks later) and I knew I was competing with other guys over her. I think I'm one of those people who needs to be friends first (and basically get oneitis-light) for it to feel special. I just can't do it with a tinder match or some girl who's immediately available. You might say I'm the odd one out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:44 PM
2

I think they're often forced to choose between their children and their freedom from a bad marriage. Actually one of the primary reasons married men cheat when they fall in love with a women who is not their wife is because they're afraid they'll lose their kids if they just divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:35 PM
4

Yes, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:33 PM
2

Women really are attracted (in a different way) to men who will stick around -- but this part of their personality isn't activated until they are ready to settle down. For some women yes, for others not so much... the guy will never know for sure if it was the case with his woman and even if it was whether it was activated for him (she might actually have preferred another "beta provider").
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:30 PM
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In my country the average age for a first marriage is 31 for women, 34 for men, it's even higher in educated/high status groups. But when women "slut shame" it has more to do with the accompanying behaviours that indicate lower class. That certainly happens, especially among younger women. But it's not the norm in older, married/LTRed women. They really are terrified their promiscuous friend is going to seduce their husbands or at least give him the idea that "the price of pussy" has been lowere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:25 PM
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No, sometimes she can find a "high beta" with the one specific trait she goes hot for, but not all the other negative traits (for example a soldier instead of a thug). Requires a lot of luck and introspection though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:56 PM
3

When they're >30...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:54 PM
5

Doesn't explain why her being promiscuous is seen as low status behavior to begin with...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:52 PM
0

I was going to say that people don't see cheating differently, but yeah, you actually made a good point there about families. It does seem like a father cheating is seen more as a betrayal of the family and a reason to take his children away from him than when a mother cheats and it's chalked up to "well, I guess the relationship ran out of steam, but byones are bygones, they should divorce in a civil fashion".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:49 PM
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Then it's not oneitis, that's just growing love, but even that's not realistic for everyone. I think it only describes a subset of people who don't have stringent standards for personality and who were lucky enough to not having to have played the field a lot. How many people are the type of the people who are their type anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:21 PM
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Well, I don't know what to say except that getting good sex in a LTR isn't some elusive prize for a lucky few and that the carousel isn't going to solve it (I mean really, are you just going to do this until you're too old for hot guys to want you and then adopt a bunch of cats?) Sexual compatibility is a thing though. It needs to be fun for both sides, most of the time, but of course not all the time, that's just unrealistic, I mean I'm sure you're not giving stellar blow jobs every time either…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:06 PM
1

If she falls for a player she's not a quality woman by definition, unless she's 16 and the guy outright lied to her. I would agree that having female friends who refuse his advances and are in relationships with non-player men probably raises the player's view of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:55 PM
1

Thank you for agreeing. Some of their 6s and 7s are straight up male models, hell, one of their 5s looks better than me...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:50 PM
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I’ve found it’s easier for me to be sexually demanding with guys I’m not emotionally invested in because I don’t care about their opinion This means you haven't achieved true independence and sexual agency. You're still scared of what guys might say even over something as innocent as your favorite position. Like I said in another reaction, I suspect you need to have experience with a relationship where you feel accepted, that's going to teach you more than 1000 guys on the carousel. It’s the rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:45 PM
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You need to have “oneitis” for a serious LTR to work. That's a very controversial statement. How many people can even get in a relationship with someone they have oneitis for, let alone with that person having oneitis in return? I really doubt even half of all mediocre-looking, fat, LMC couples both had oneitis for each other at some point. So how useful is your advice really for most people?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:38 PM
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If you got him in the end then who cares what people say... Obviosuly he's not out of your league and he's willing to commit and abusive, so even if you were temporarily alpha widowed it wasn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:31 PM
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You don't know that. Did she just say that because she disrespects me, or is it just her sarcastic streak acting up and actually a sign she trusts me? Is she thinking of England, or is she just tired (if she says she has a headache, should I believe her?) and have I been watching too much porn lately? I mean yeah, there are signs but in real life they're not black-and-white, especially in stressful periods or if you didn't know her before the relationship and if you talk about those signs a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:25 PM
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I don't know the specifics of your story. If you broke up with your husband because he just didn't excite and arouse you enough, then screwed around with a bunch of 6'2" male models or thugs and then got tired of them not committing to you while you wanted babies and crawled back to your husband, and now you feel secure and stable but really bored out of your mind and sexually unsatisfied, that would be alpha widowing I suppose. I think TRP attaches the alpha widow label way too often, but just …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:20 PM
1

We simply can't. We can only guess based on her past, our own experiences with other women and what other people who know her better tell her us is her baseline. It's very messy and most people you ask for her advice about this would tell you you're overreacting or slut shaming or holding her up to impossible standards, etc... It's a big deal to men because being wrong is pretty catastrophic, it's on a whole other level than getting pumped & dumped once by a player.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:11 PM
1

Which begs the question... if a woman proposes a FWB dynamic or says she's okay with it, does that mean she's likely crazy/unstable (which seems to be what you're implying) and therefore should be avoided for relationships and men should warn their friends about her? or... are most, otherwise normal, women capable of going nuclear, even destroying careers ("hell hath no fury..."), when they get their feelings hurt in an arrangement they consciously agreed to, making women indeed the dangerous, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 04:04 PM
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Good question, still doesn't mean he's wrong though. In another thread I made the comparison with smoking: if I say smoking is bad for you while I'm a smoker myself I'm still right about smoking being bad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:53 PM
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In my first post in this thread I sketched 3 types of believable women that RP would probably describe as "alpha widows". They definitely exist. What's stupid is TRPers believing a majority of women can only be happy if their current partner is more dominant and has a bigger dick and more muscles than all her previous partners. But there definitely are women who get hung up on types that are unattainable or unhealthy for them while viewing other men, often more "beta"-like men, as not good enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:52 PM
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But why would anybody confide in a fuckbuddy? Yeah, it's stupid, but it's stupid precisely because people can't be trusted, which supports his overall point. He should be paranoid because he likely has bad judgement. He made reference to the false accusation coming from an ex I just wonder how messy he is personally I wouldn't draw that conclusion just yet since he's not saying "he had a string of crazy exes". If it keeps happening then yes, he's just like all those girls with their 15 abusive e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:47 PM
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He's genetically predisposed to being skinny. He's already ripped, he just can't get swol and he doesn't need to since women care much more about height and face anyway. But yes, it's actually one of his insecurities. The women getting bored really has to do with his personality, on that account BPers are right, but of course most of the time the woman wil just go looking for another Chad and repeat the cycle, so it's not like billy beta wins out after all, on that account BPers are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:39 PM
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Why would a man who was casually banging a woman "open up" about a false accusation, that was just dumb. So you agree he's right to be worried then? I mean you can't say "he's just being paranoid" and then turn around and say "I mean he'd be fine if he kept his mouth shut about his weaknesses". IMO not being able to tell someone your weaknesses without it being taken advantage is the very definition of justified fear of people's intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:35 PM
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No, an equally, or more, alpha man can override it, and it has to be his "alphaness" that's the defining trait of what makes him so memorable to her, that's the whole idea. It only seems like oneitis when she can't get other alphas or is stuck in a LTR with a "beta".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:30 PM
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Yes, exactly, or Erin Pizzey's fall out with younger feminists over domestic abuse of men by women. I also remember a piece written by a famous older feminist (sadly I don't remember her name) about the wage gap where she trashed younger feminists for feeling entitled to comfy office jobs, rich white women hijacking things forgetting about women of color and poor males, and not being ambitious enough while they're still complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:15 PM
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Yes, I agree with that, so does he. His strategy is to just sit back and listen, he gets away with that because of his looks but it also annoys some girls or makes them get tired of him real quick (usually the ones who are higher quality in my eyes), and he also doesn't stick up for his own opinions. I need to talk more and be more divisive and controversial because I need to compensate more with my intelligence and personality for my lesser looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:08 PM
1

If his boss really told him that then that's all the more reason for him to be legitimately worried, wouldn't you say? Well, at least he now knows his superiors don't have his back so he can slack off guilt-free from now on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:57 PM
3

He's 29. His conversation skills won't improve and don't have to really: they're no worse than an average guy's (my conversation skills are better, he said so himself, but his aren't awful by any measure) and he gets a lot of leeway because he has a handsome face and is 6'2". The PUA stuff didn't make him less insecure or less needy, all he learned was escalation, and I'm not even sure he couldn't have learned that just as well from reading about body language or following someone like Hayley Qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:53 PM
1

What you describe is normal oneitis, "alpha widow" is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:45 PM
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I wouldn't say he's paranoid in his case. He's right to be worried. AWALT is an overreaction to finding out horrible/crazy women aren't exceedingly rare (and more rare than bad men(TM) ) like society told you and that even that nice, educated, successful, modest girl can turn into a monster. 5 out of the 6 chambers are empty so ACALT (all chambers are like that) is obviously not true, but I'd still avoid putting that gun against my head if I can. And if you think significantly less than 1 in 6 w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:42 PM
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Of course their dealings are mostly with certain subsets of women, I made that point myself. But let's not pretend this is only a tiny, tiny minority of women either, or that they're always easily identifiable (ie trashy/low value). If it's a third of all women that still means one third of all men are condemned to end up with one of these women. Now those unlucky guys may not be saints either, but there's no universal force that ensures only shitty people cross paths with other shitty people an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:35 PM
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So the chads are cheating on their ltrs themselves but they lose respect for women who do the same? If I'm a chainsmoker and tell you not to smoke because it's bad for you then I'm still right, hypocritical yes, but still right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:26 PM
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He used to be awkward and lanky and skinny. He's still skinny but with some more muscle, so now he's just a tall man, so attractive. He also grew into a more attractive face and started reading up on a lot of PUA stuff. He did have one girlfriend in high school, she was, and is, low-value but he had oneitis for her. IMO his fortes are his good looks and his ability to escalate quickly, because he doesn't have very good RMV and is not a very good conversationalist with women, though not awful eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:24 PM
1

I think women tend to be taught relationship skills early on No, they really don't. What they learn from their family and friends (if they're lucky to have quality family and friends) doesn't work in relationships with men. Honestly, this is a horribly outdated sexist view and suggests to me you need more experience with relationships rather than fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:36 PM
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Yeah, overexposure to certain types of women (who, combined, form a significant percentage of women, let's not skirt around that) can definitely turn Chads bitter. OTOH my one Chad friend is a hopeless romantic with half the girls he sleeps with (he even gets oneitis for mediocre girls sometimes, me and my other friends like to joke he's doing charity work). But he only became Chad after high school, so he's not a natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:25 PM
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OP sounds more like saying the opposite really...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:21 PM
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Nah, alpha widow is about having a sort of oneitis for a type of guy, not any one specific guy. So it's not oneitis in the sense it's usually described for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:19 PM
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Also, the recent allegations in Hollywood and elsewhere highlighted the pervasive problem of power abuse. Not really. It quickly got turned into a men vs. women thing. No one cares that men people like Harvey Weinstein are given, and allowed to keep for so long, the power to destroy careers on a whim. The guy had long been known as an obnoxious tyrant. Even if he had done nothing to women he would still have cheated the IRS or fucked up the artistic value of productions and bullied his employees…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:16 PM
2

As a general rule, don't fuck crazy... Victim blaming!!! But seriously people will react very negatively if you say to a girl: "don't get drunk at a frat party" or "don't just accept a drink because the guy's hot" and guys get a lot of shit exactly for not wanting to date crazy chicks because that's "slut shaming" or "she was a victim of circumstances" (which they should stand up to, but still, society is very hypocritical in these regards).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:04 PM
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No, in the way I proposed it she can't "fix" it by having orbiters say they went on a date with her, her penalty only goes away if, over time, there are no other guys who said she stood them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:57 PM
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OP is horribly Amerocentric. I live in one of the most sex-positive countries in the world where girls definitely get sex ed and parents allow their 16-year old daughters to sleep in the same room as her boyfriend no questions asked. Some amount of casual sex is basically expected from younger women. And it's been that way for decades. And guess what... most girls here are still rather passive and submissive when it comes to sex and most still heavily prefer relationships over casual sex. Sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:49 PM
1

For women it could work the opposite way too though correct? A woman who has a large amount of emotional attachment to a guy will find him more sexually appealing than other men even if he is objectively less attractive. Yes, but from the outside that cannot be distinguished from her (even if it's just subconscious) not really respecting and craving the man (the proverbial Beta Bux). The man just sort of has to trust her the same way a woman just has to trust a man when he says he loves her (he …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:36 PM
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No. We don't need to like or even respect the women we have sex with. For some women it's the same, but not for most: most women need to respect a man to sleep with him, even if it's casual sex and the man being good-looking and confident can inspire a lot of respect in the woman, for men it typically takes longer to develop respect, and (I know this sounds bad, but I believe it's true) it's more tied to personality traits that would make her a good mother and dependable long term partner. Men c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:24 PM
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Ok, I'll try and look at 3 types of women that would probably be described by TRP as "alpha widows": 1) The type that thinks if he's not a thug or an aggressive/abusive meathead he's not a Real Man(TM) (basically this is most black single moms in the US). Usually this woman grewp up in an abusive home and/or the ghetto. These women might be satisfied with a tough guy soldier or cop, if not, they need years of therapy and introspection, which are not guaranteed to work. 2) The type that doesn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:09 PM
1

Impressive! Keep up the good work!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 11:28 AM
1

Damn, that's a lot in one year. Don't you have loose skin problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:15 AM
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I suck at all forms of dating + 24F IMPOSSIBRU!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:20 AM
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Plus, the more we use words like assault, etc, and the more false/exaggerated accusations become public, the less the public will care, the less resources will be available to victims of horrifying rape. Whether those resources are NGO funding or people's attention and sympathy. This is a problem with American public discourse in general (think about how clever the invention of the term "pro-life" is, for example). It's what you get when highly paid PR-firms and spokespeople set the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:42 AM
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No, you linked the one with women twice, I thought it was a single link at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:27 AM
1

Did you read the part where I actually say I don't think a real website/app could work with these rules? P.S. I agree limiting the number of messages that can be send would be better than limiting profile views
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:04 AM
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They shouldn't get kicked off for that. Nobody should get kicked off, just pushed down the stack. And there should be a requirement of at least some messages exchanged before flagging someone for not showing up becomes an issue. You can say no one has control over this but at some point it's due to you aiming way above your league all the time or creeping people out with your messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 11:03 PM
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1) I'm only on Facebook, I check it maybe twice a day for a minute, but only post one or two things per month, or use it for events. 2) Only on Tinder. I can get good-looking women to go on dates with me, but only occasionally. My experience from traveling tells me it would happen several times more often if I lived in a big city. Maybe I could get a garem of fat chicks from OKC but that doesn't count as success for me. Overall, I don't think I'm in that top 20% that does well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 10:34 PM
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Not the first time I see older feminists looking to their younger successors and saying "wtf, are you doing, that's not what we fought for!" I guess the movement, as is common for movements, becoming more institutionalized and at the same time having defeated its strongest enemies makes it increasingly the bastion of a smaller, but more radical clique.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 10:16 PM
1

I like short-haired girls. What kind of prole barbarism is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:33 PM
1

Sure, just include that I think they would make a website/app commercially unviable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:31 PM
1

I agree, but I'm just saying not all smart men will get that chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:30 PM
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Except then women would be all like “can u puhhhhleeeaaassse check my date box so I can stay on here? “ It should be reversed. So guys get to tick a box if she did NOT go on the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:29 PM
1

They can use filters for religion for example, or kids, or pets, or education, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:24 PM
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I've updated it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:17 PM
3

What about meeting people of interest online? Like instead of online dating site, why not go to a community onljne Because they're 90% dudes most of the time, plus they're not likely to live anywhere near you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:17 PM
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To be fair 9 out of 10 times this only happens when the man is significantly better looking, richer, higher status, more intelligent, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:15 PM
1

I think women have a tendency to get with a guy by compromising on some of their (often unrealistic) expectations, and then try to change/improve him. Or worse... they overlook huge issues just so they have a man who ticks her boxes. So many women who put up with a hot, confident psychopath or who would rather be with an abusive guy who approached her than approach a guy who's not abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:05 PM
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women online go for the hottest men available because in online dating all a woman can select for is looks This is not true. They can already use proactive strategies with filters for personality traits, but that's not the path of least resistance. I think they would pretty much have to be forced to use other strategies, such as restricting the number of profiles they can browse if they are being too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 08:56 PM
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There are equivalent charts for men Like this one (I think this one is very harsh compared to the female chart, but maybe that's actually correct if women are that much more picky)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 08:50 PM
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I'm not so sure. I can give a list of possible improvements but I'm not sure they would improve the whole thing a whole lot, and even if they did they would go against human instincts and business models so a commercial, well-populated dating stite/app couldn't work that way. Also, I think OLD works pretty well already for gay and lesbian people, so all of this is about heterosexual people. EDIT: Anyway, here is my list, for what it's worth: allow the use videos and gifs as profile pictures (tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 08:00 PM
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Yes, it's a form of settling, that's what I said. I also prefer smart women. But that doesn't mean I'll ever get one who's not also unattractive or crazy. And if I don't, then the question is where I'm going to sacrifice once I've been lonely long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 06:46 PM
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Them not being struggling incels doesn't mean they have the status and looks to lock down attractive women who aren't boring and not crazy (or have the potential to become crazy).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 06:43 PM
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Not all smart men prefer smart women and attractive smart women are hard to come by (they tend to be off the market early, or have incredibly high standards themselves) so many smart men settle, either with a less attractive smart woman or an attractive less-smart woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 06:40 PM
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I agree. It predates the manosphere. I've even heard women say a guy was a 10, though yes, that's rare since women tend to be more uncomfortable with quantifying things that "feel" better when they're left as unquantified, nebulous mysteries that imply everyone has equal opportunities. It's similar to how some people say "some people eat red meat everyday and live until 90, some vegetarians have a heart attack when they're 50", these people are usually people who eat a lot of red meat and don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 06:37 PM
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They're not the norm, most of them don't have this happen over and over and you gotta wonder if it was their preference (or carelessness), which I admit, for some it is, or rather a lack of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 06:30 PM
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OP didn't say if it was about marriage (or LTR), or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 05:46 PM
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A man is happy with any woman he can get, but ideally she's as physically attractive as he can get. That women doesn't have to be interesting or have any status. She just needs to look pretty and do what he says. I guess that means I'm not a man then... I know I have different preferences from most men but I'm quite sure most men at least have some standards that go beyond "she has to be hot and not too much trouble".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 05:43 PM
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Yeah, going to parties together or sending goofy texts is what friends do, makes you wonder what some of these people here do with their opposite sex friends, or if they even have them...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 05:31 PM
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Nothing wrong with it as long as he's not lying about it. She can leave or sleep with other men if she wants to. I think it also goes a bit further than looks and clingyness. It's called Friends With Benefits for a reason: you can get along with friends and do fun things with them, but that doesn't mean you're in love with them. Contrary to popular belief (most) men actually care about compatible personalities, standards aren't just something for women to have and for men to meet... I get along …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:53 PM
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He doesn't need marriage either if he's in a committed relationship with a woman. Marriage is just a piece of paper after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:44 PM
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That's not what I would call a Nice Girl (TM). That's just a dumb "ho". Trying to get men through sex, knowing they can't get the man through other ways is an incredibly stupid and self-destructive strategy. They need tough love, not sympathy. I've known of situations where they're sleeping together and he's acting like a boyfriend, sending her cute texts etc. but is unwilling to actually label the relationship "not putting a label on the relationship" = rejection. How desperate are these women …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:42 PM
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You generally don't want to feel like you got the easiest girl possible. Tends to make you think something is actually wrong with that girl most of the time. You're confusing cause and effect here. If more women were direct men would associate directness less with defects.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 03:05 PM
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Confidence is also her seeing you stand up to other males who challenge you and you sticking up for your values and opinions when talking to her even when she vehemently disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 02:45 PM
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Really? You don't think someone would be upset 5 years down the road when you finally drop whatever persona / mask you put on and they find out you aren't who they thought you were? Why would you care if without the mask you never would have a relationship to begin with? It's annoying AF when people just assume there's sufficient demand for all kinds of personality types. The idea is also to grow into a new person, not put on a mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 01:22 AM
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Why do you think men don't put 'looking for casual sex' or 'looking for a ONS' on their dating profiles? Same reason they don't put "no fatties", or "no black chicks" in their profile. It's a turn off even if the woman is white and not fat and was decidedly looking for casual sex (like when she's in an open relationship). Also, you know, most men are open to both casual sex and something more serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 01:19 AM
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6: She was aiming way out of her league (which is fine, IF you're prepared to deal with failure). Summary: most men are looking for something steady, but most women aren't the catch they think they are. I agree: if he doesn't want a relationship with her he probably still wants one with someone else, it doesn't means she's "flawed", but in any case he doesn't think she isn't compatible with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:28 AM
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This is a problem with her expectations. It is wrong for her to expect sex that happens so soon to have any bearing on whether or not a relationship will follow. It's also unreasonable of her to be very upset about some guy she just met or to expect the guy to care much about her. If she doesn't want to have casual sex she simply needs to go on some dates first and not accept vague answers when she asks for commitment. I'm pretty sure most of the time women complain about deception they knew ful…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:16 AM
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Anyway the TL;DR of this is if you want casual sex adjust your expectations, you won't get disappointed as much or hopefully hurt as much. Doesn't matter, had sex
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:04 AM
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Oh, I know the struggle. But sometimes you make a cold approach and then find out you know many of the same people, that gives you the social proof you need to not be seen as a random creep. That's one way you could actually get a LTR from a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:00 AM
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Yes, this is right on the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 08:17 PM
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Yes, those guys should read up on the body language of attraction, but not being able to vaguely sense when women are probably uncomfortable or not having a sense of what women find offensive or romantic is indicative of not having female friends and likely means you are on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 08:14 PM
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Yes, to start with you have to maintain a lot of eye contact during the indirect flirting and eventually you have to know when you can stroke her arm or grab her hand or do the triangle gaze (eyes, lips, eyes), which is the universal sign for "I want to kiss you". Some women are terrible at giving you the greenlight for this, or there's always an object, like a table, in between you, then you could just go for it and hope for the best (or back off if it's likely a rejection would hit you sociall…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 08:11 PM
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"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." (Hanlon's Razor) Women don't like adult men asking for basic advice, but they're okay with it if the guy is a teenager and then they still give the same shitty advice. It's simply them having no clue of how things look and feel from the other side of the fence, not a conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 08:07 PM
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I read that thread. A lot of the guys (most of whom probably never heard of pills, red or otherwise), and some of the women actually did tell the guy they didn't consider his case sexual assault (though obviosuly it's better and less crass to try to hold her hand first), just that he should apologize if he wanted to save the friendship. I don't think mainstream sections of feminism have really thought the romantic/sexual submissiveness of women through. It's just not really an issue for them. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 08:03 PM
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If you're genuinely autistic (which most guys in TRP deny) you'll never be able to pull off being direct and forceful, it would just seem inauthentic (and therefore creepy). Autistic guys need to study up on body language and playful conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 07:25 PM
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Lol, two threads ago some women called me an anti-white knight for "trashing women"...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 07:21 PM
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No one really cares this much about who is learning to flirt or if you used to be a "loser" or "creep". You may not care, but others certainly do. It's considered creepy and manipulative to systematically invest in this stuff when you're not a teenager anymore. I've seen that attitude in my social circle (not aimed at me, so it's not a victim role I put myself in). I guess you can compare it to how people view having fake tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 07:19 PM
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Well, if indirect flirting is high-level Chad game then I'm a natural Chad... It's not some ancient secret, FFS it's the one part of mainstream depictions of fictional romance that's realistic. But yeah, it's hard to escalate out of it if she's not very clear in her body language. I think the standard RP advice to be direct and forceful only works with a narrow subset of women and only if you have the physical presence and correct non-threatening body language for it to seem believable (most guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 07:06 PM
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Even if he's 10/10 at least half the girls (especially the hottest ones) wouldn't like him being verbally upfront from the start. Though yes, obviously he can become upfront much sooner and with hotter girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 05:20 PM
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That's the thing about being a 9 or a 10, you don't have to try very hard, or at all, they basically come to you... I'm also sure that after a while of that you'd stop caring about it all for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 03:30 PM
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I never cheated on my wife but she cheated on me. The guy she cheated with (and subsequently moved in with) had just cashed in a boat load of stock option (but I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it). Goddamn...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 03:25 PM
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It's selling snake oil to people who are gullible or desperate, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 03:23 PM
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Age, distance, has kids (or not), wants kids (or not), education, cat/dog person, religious views, etc... even a compatibility algorithm (which you can progressively loosen if you're not satisfied with the initial options). These quickly add up and before you know it you'll only have to browse 1 in 20 profiles or something like that. You could do this until the fraction of profiles that are left is the same as the fraction of guys whose messages/profiles you would check out if you had been using…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 02:29 PM
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True, but you can have a different hot girl (sometimes even a 10/10 girl) every week whether it's IRL or online, if you're a 10/10 male. They've pretty much maxed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 02:18 PM
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So much easier over apps. You already know everyone is single (crapshoot at a bar), and who is into you. It used to be like that, but not anymore. There's plenty of women on those apps who just want attention/validation (and some of them are taken) and women swipe right so rarely that there's a significant chance she swiped right on you by accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 02:05 PM
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Let's say there's 10 guys on the site who fit most of your criteria, are good-looking enough for you and who could acutally like you back for more than sex. You'll be much more likely to find these guys, and find them sooner if you were to go looking for them using the available filters on non-physical markers first (and you won't have to deal with old and fat guys, etc...) than if you were just to lean back and only look at the profiles of the 20 hottest guys out of the 200 who message you each…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 02:02 PM
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Yup, increases the chance of FOMO (what if I had waited just a bit longer for an even better one).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 01:42 PM
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What could you do, she said she liked piña coladas...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 01:30 PM
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Think it through, the math checks out... Just saying "well, it's not my problem so it's not a problem" is the biggest cop out there is, at least be a good sport and pretend you actually care about the people and subjects that are discussed in PPD threads (if you do care I'm sorry for offending you, but you certainly sound like you don't care).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 01:27 PM
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But nobody seriously thinks they will meet a quality person in a bar. Not true at all. There are entire subcultures that meet in bars that cater to them, also if you meet someone who has friends in common with you they're not automatically going to think you're a low quality creep. Of course you still have to be not-ugly, but at least you're not competing with 20 Chads standing around you all winking at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:39 PM
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There's also hot guys who don'y like to cold approach, they have better chances on Tinder. I think these groups offset each other. And don't forget not every hot guy is only looking for casual sex all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:37 PM
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Yeah, I remember being on Myspace as a teenager. I had attractive girls I never met before who were DM'ing me out of the blue. I wasn't ugly, but I definitely wasn't Chad either, no way something like that could still happen today to a younger version of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:32 PM
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Of course if you meet very few single women IRL then OLD can eventually give you better results if you live in a large city but it would be a horribly inefficient process and you would get a better woman if you met just a few more single women IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:23 PM
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IRL the ratio is 1:1, online it's 2:1, twice as many men, and online the Chads can reach larger numbers of women. The larger numbers hurt men more than they help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:20 PM
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Nope. Am European and see this a lot as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:16 PM
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As a man you can easy filter out those women which are not up to scratch, as a women its always going to be a bit of a crap shot. This is offset, and then some, by the fact men will only have access to far fewer of these women than IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 11:43 AM
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Many would argue that even in those "traditional" sites, photos are still pretty much the dominant factor. And they'd be right IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 11:14 AM
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I am going to ask again what “problem” does this solve The problem of most men not getting anywhere and most women getting pumped & dumped or checking out because "there aren't any decent men out there". You could say "who cares" but obviously these people care, otherwise they wouldn't try OLD in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 11:08 AM
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Again, those do not exist, you just arbitrarily made that up on the spot, there is zero evidence of this. Ok, I'm not having the debate on how sacrilegious it is to quantify these things. To me attraction is part of the material universe so it can be quantified, easily so, because we're just talking pictures here. Again, they would all just message a small percentile of males if that were the case Depends on the filters or algorithms of the website/app. There's a big difference between choosing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 10:25 AM
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I made an OkCupid account for to see how it is, I had so many messages that I could not realistically respond to all of them. If this is the case for most females using online dating web sites or application, how else are they supposed to sort through all of those messages, Yes, this is why many women select based on pictures first in OLD (but that's a non-converging algorithm, it's very likely to yield a suboptimal choice and can have her running in circles for an eternity). That IS one of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 10:14 AM
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Yeah, but that just adds an extra barrier, it doesn't remove the initial barrier, that's a very important point to think about when women say "looks aren't everything". In OLD you'll never get the chance to show off characteristics that can make up for your lack of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 10:09 AM
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I think it's unchanged for the 9s and 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 10:00 AM
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I think he means that in RL sometimes the 7/10 wins out against the 9/10 because he has a more attractive voice or posture, is less loud, isn't an asshole to the waiter, etc... whle this is much more rare in OLD. I agree with him. The secondary elements of a first impression are not present in OLD, or are only looked at AFTER a selection based on the photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:56 AM
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TL;DR: Men at any physical rating, will always have more success irl vs online dating. Except for 9s and 10s this is true, yes. Since the weighting of sexual attraction is less visual for women than it is for men, charm, character, game, 'presence' whatever you wanna call it is more important if you are a man trying to generate lust. Going by looks and physical attraction only is a bad gamble if you don't look like a model. Yes, but that's not he only reason. Another reason (and the most importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:50 AM
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Off the top of my head, common life changes that affect many married couples include: career change, loss of job, death of family member, birth of children, returning to school, moving long distance, military deployment, illness, progressing age, and weight gain. These drastic changes in circumstance can prompt personal change, which will have an affect on the attraction/sex within a relationship. That's certainly possible... ... but... it's not as simple as "willfull gold diggery" vs. "unfortun…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:38 AM
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Yeah, of course there's flirting. What I meant was that at the beginning it's indistinguishable from flirting to have a LTR, and that's exactly what women want because otherwise it's creepy, whether it's in a bar or on tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:30 AM
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This is what you get for having bronze age family laws in the US... Anyway, fathers who don't pay child support already get jailed by the thousands each year, it's the only remaining form of debt that can get you jailed in the United States, so in a way there already is an extra penalty like you propose. Do you have any proof the neglect and lack of child support are related, so the neglect is not primarily caused by the mother being addicted to meth or Louis Vutton? Also, how many of the father…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:26 AM
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Sadly this is not too far off from the truth...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:24 AM
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Lol, you're not in Cadbury Pringlebatch's niche, while you are in Kit Harington's, that's all. Bumberstump Banglescatch could still slay within his niche if he wasn't a celebrity. On Tinder Bumblesnuff Crimpysnitch would be divisive but still have a lot more matches than the average guy, that's why I called him a niche Chad, the Chadwick Cuminhersnatch variety to be precise. Baggondong Cabbagepatch has the facial symmetry, jawline and cheekbones to be in the top 20%, you just don't like this par…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:31 PM
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If by "great charm or status" you mean top 0.01% charm or status you may be right, but that's like telling someone to become a multimillionaire to solve his problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:54 PM
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He won't, unless he's in her social circle, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:51 PM
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If it was always this bad how did we make it to here with monogamy? You didn't have to ask her, you just gave her family some camels and there wasn't a damn thing she could do about it... ... ah, the good old days...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 07:35 PM
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Well, either you don't notice it because getting women is so easy to you that you don't really think about it much. Or you notice because you didn't use to be a 9 when you were younger or you see your friends, who aren't 9s, struggling and not getting the looks you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 06:42 PM
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I don't think so either. It's just that certain groups of men are at an increased risk (reddit nerds with well-paying STEM jobs are such a group) and I'd rather get my heart broken once when I'm 18 than get tricked into a onesided marriage, wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 06:38 PM
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He's not ugly either: he's tall, well-groomed and has cheekbones. He's not a Jason Momoa universal Chad, but he's a niche Chad, just like Kit Harrington. I think the most attractive part about him though is that women have built him up in their heads as the epitome of British sophistication, intelligence, taste and gentlemanship. Oh shit, almost forgot the obligatory #nohomo...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 06:32 PM
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If you're a 9 you'll notice it IRL and you'll get plenty of interest in OLD too, but you probably wouldn't even think about OLD in the first place. Being an 8 is a bit of a gray area, hard to know if you're a 7 or 8 I guess, just like it's hard to know if you're a 6, 5, 4 or 3. But like I said, when in doubt, just stay away from OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 06:20 PM
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There's no point to vetting since matches are so rare anyway, except that the algorithms punish guys for swiping right on everyone and you don't want to accidentally swipe right on that one weird crazy stalker chick you know IRL. I think a theoretically acceptable compromise would be guys immediately unmatching women they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:23 PM
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Sometimes it certainly is, with men intentionally going after hot entitled party girls when deep down they know better. But if she's been telling you "I love you" for 3 years and fakes her orgasms, because you still haven't given her the ring, that's a bit different than a pubescent boy saying "putting a label on it is not my style, I'm too much of a rebel for that" when a girl asks him "what" they are, and her not asking more questions after that. Also something to remember: societal pressure i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:10 PM
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Nope, I don't think that. I think it's usually a two-way street. Some men lie, but most of the time the woman knows what she's getting into, she just chooses to ignore red flags or hopes to turn him and they guy is just vague instead of outright lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 05:05 PM
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Absolutely which is why imo guys below a 7 or 8 in the attractiveness scale are wasting their time on dating sites or tinder. It would make much more sense imo, next to looking the best you personally can, to improve your game/social skills, increase your social cycle and build status there, instead of trying to pick up randoms who won't give you the time of the day... Could you please tell this to all the women who accuse me of "trashing women" and things like that for saying the exact same thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:56 PM
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Alpha behavior isn't good for society, that's widely acknowledged, and that's why RPers say things like "enjoy the decline".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:50 PM
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Additionally a guy who is only of average attractiveness but past the threshold of being “good enough“ can end up being very attractive if he “maxed out“ all the desirable charater traits and mannerisms - the issue is just with getting the chance to show them off. Yes, this is a very good answer to the actual question IMO. Getting the chance to show off those traits and not being so unattractive to her that you have to be some personality-superman to make up for it are key here. So many women he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:42 PM
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Anyone, man or woman, should aim for the stars, just not exclusively, but they should also know when to quit and not complain when aiming for the stars turns out to not work. IMO leagues aren't purely physical: intelligence and maturity/independence also count. I consider women who are dumb AF to be below my league no matter how hot they are physically. Also, if a thin guy with a below average face doesn't want fat girls, but is okay with a thin girl with a below average face people shouldn't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:29 PM
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I never slept with them, I am friends with them, that's why they tell me these things so openly (and sometimes explicitly). I'm sure most women on PPD actually agree with me on this: it's creepy AF when a guy gets sexual from the beginning, only if he's the Chadliest of Chads he can get away with that, and even then not always. I'm thinking you and your friends are the exceptions here, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:18 PM
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I'll move it when the automod appears.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:13 PM
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Lol, that sounds clever when you have no experience with casual sex, but you really don't know some of the women I know...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:12 PM
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I respect the nice ones who are upfront about it and seek women seeking the same Most women tell me that even when they are looking for just sex they explicitly don't want the guy to be upfront about it, at least not at first, because it creeps them out. Most want the illusion of some romance and getting to know each other, so that is what guys provide without necessarily wanting to be deceptive. Chad gets a bit more leeway, but that's down to genetics, and no, before you say it, non-Chads don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:02 PM
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As a woman who has been friends with many other women, there are plenty of men who do aim to lead women on and toy with their emotions just to get laid. From my experience this is often just justification to make her seem like the victim and/or uphold her "good girl" image, after the fact because she's mad her strategy of hooking him through sex didn't work. It's the same as women claiming fuckboys are master manipulators, they're not, 9 times out of 10 the woman just chose to overlook the obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:55 PM
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Yeah, men asking how to have casual sex is equivalent to asking for advice on how to pump and dump women. Nah, mainstream women acknowledge women like casual sex at times. FFS they often believe most women on tinder (which is about half the population of single women out there) are only looking for casual sex. It's just that when you ask women for advice they want to restrain you because if you have to ask, instead of "just getting it" naturally, it's assumed you're low value and can only get it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 02:37 PM
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She has tits and a vagina and uses bumble and instagram... SO yeah, she'll have a lot of "friends" really quickly. I guess you can make lots of "friends" the same way by going on grindr...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 01:20 PM
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Probably because the online places you looked at and where these women gravitate towards are biased and radicalized. IRL these women won't say out loud they're looking for casual sex when they want advice, and if they do they'll actually get negative reactions from a lot of other women. Men looking to get laid often do get constructive advice from other men IRL, but get shamed by women. So it's mostly that these online places are not representative of RL.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 01:13 PM
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I didn't specify a percentage of women who are like that, I didn't say all the women who do this do it consciously, and you didn't know if I'm in a high-risk group or not, so you can't just say it's paranoid any more than you can say it's paranoid for a woman to be worried men just want her for sex or for her to want to meet a man in a public place the first time in case he turns out to be a rapist. But thank you for the apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:31 PM
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1) My lizard brains wants me to have sex 2) Most women don't like me romantically, and I like even less women romantically 3) Put 1) and 2) together... That said, I don't go prowling the streets and clubs/bars every day or something like that and often when I'm in bars I can't be bothered to chat women up because I don't feel like it, am tired or the least worst options I see aren't that attractive to me (so yes I do have standards for face and BMI) and still seem like they would be a lot of wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 11:41 AM
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Maybe in a megacity like NYC because of the sheer numbers, and if they have 85mm depleted uranium skin reinforced with carbon nanotubes... then yeah, with above average pictures and after enough time they may find someone who approaches what they could've gotten in meatspace...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 11:32 AM
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It's hard to know as a man. I say when in doubt assume you're a 6 and stay away from OLD unless you're a masochist. If you do decide to do it you'll notice soon enough whether the number and quality of matches/responses you can get is worth the trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 11:25 AM
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Easily a third got laid before college. So two-thirds didn't, that's my point...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 11:22 AM
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Yes, in hippie or poly communities everyone is equal, but Chad is more equal than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:39 AM
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That makes no sense. You shouldn't want to have access to more than one woman. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar, but women are all different. The greater the number of women you have access to the greater the chance you'll actually meet one you like who likes you back and the less you feel pressured to settle for one you don't really like. This is so elementary that I suspect you were intentionally confusing the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:35 AM
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This is why as a man you shouldn't touch online dating with a ten foot pole if you're not at the very least a 7/10. There's a special place in hell for people who suggest OLD to already struggling guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 01:19 AM
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I bet you felt really clever writing that... Someone not simply trusting everyone on their word must mean that person is untrustworthy him/herself, right? It has to be true because it just sounds so fucking profound to the untrained mind, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:53 AM
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The taboo mostly comes from Judaism and through Christianity and Islam spread across the world. Colonization and Western/Islamic soft power also made it popular to be against homosexuality even in places that weren't Christian or Islamic and weren't colonized.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:35 PM
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"A high partner count man is more likely to be physically attractive; a higher partner count woman is more likely to be physically unattractive." Yup. That fits with what I've seen for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:15 PM
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Yeah... no... the half that didn't get any were the least physically attractive and most socially awkward half, no need to sugarcoat that with terms like "driven" or "general good humor". I was in the lucky half and many of those unlucky guys were more driven and skilled in the course material than I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:08 PM
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I agree with RPers that the effect for men is less severe because men are better able to separate sex from love/emotion, but yeah, at some point highly promiscuous men probably won't be great at relationships. It's also a question of the order of causality: many (at least most of the ones I've known) highly promiscuous women have serious emotional/mental issues that caused their promiscuity to begin with and are a threat to relationship stability (this is my reason for avoiding these women, I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:47 PM
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They get to "enjoy" more of them, and they end up with hotter women who are also less likely to only be with them for their money or stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:40 PM
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I think most do want LTRs you just don’t know if they always want them with you. Yes, that's true. From what I’ve seen and it sounds like you agree here, most men are the middle. They aren’t sex/relationship starved, nor playboy players. Yes, I do agree with that. Probably that’s correct for some women, I’m not sure it’s most though. It's the most experienced group that will share their "wisdom" and gets to set the narrative. But don't forget that a woman who's gone through this only twice but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:38 PM
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I was majoring in physics 10 years ago, less than 20% of us were girls, same for mathematics, while for CS it was maybe 5%. There were no magical legions of pretty foreign girls waiting to date us. Thankfully the student bodies, in their infinite wisdom, organized parties jointly with the social sciences, that worked for about half of us (I was in that lucky half), but it still didn't work for the other half.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:28 PM
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He sure got the dark triad thing down... Still he had nothing on Genghis Khan who was probably history's ultimate alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:18 PM
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According to this the top 1% of men on Tinder get 15 times more right swipes than the median, naturally this elite will get hotter matches as well, increasing the inequality. In the US (which is more unequal than most other developed countries) the top 1% of households has an income 7 times greater than that of the median household. Wealth is more unequally distributed but that's mostly because so many people "own" almost nothing while still living comfortably (usually student debt and a mortgag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:10 PM
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Ok, so let's do this then... Say (I picked rounded numbers to make it easier, but they're not too far off I believe) we have a society with 10% near-incels: 1 partner, 70% normal men: 5 partners, and 20% (semi-)Chads: 20 partners. 53% (400 out of 760) of the courtships women have in this society will be with the Chads. So yeah, women will get the impression a majority of men like the chase and don't want to commit, while actually 80% of men are not like that. Now of course some of these women di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:59 PM
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Why exactly would these exotic, pretty girls go for STEM nerds? Why wouldn't they just stick to flings with hot guys, or even not dating at all, knowing they're going back to their own countries in a while?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:44 PM
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You're strawmanning: there's a lot of room between "most men are struggling near-incels" and "there's absolutely no correlation between a man's attractiveness and/or "alphaness" and the number of courtships he has in his life". Women interact more with certain types of men, that's just how it is, especially when women are still young, that's also where the "men don't want to commit" trope comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:00 PM
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There were a lot of asshole Chadly hippies (I know, NACALT, but these ones were) who were pretty alpha, you still see this in poly communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:52 PM
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They should buy my book, it's just $19.99 and has all the secrets right there!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:34 PM
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Who says they don't have a problem with wealth/income inequality. In any case, a Red Piller would probably say men ultimately only chase wealth to get women, so if women were distributed more equally wealth inequality would decrease, which wouldn't be entirely wrong. Then again, I'm also quite sure RP philosophy is about learning to get the best deal in a world that is unequal and isn't going to change for you (enjoy the decline), so it's not so much anger about the distribution but telling men …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:32 PM
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It's about the principle: Billy Beta may not even have a girlfriend in high school and even if he did he's probably going to have significantly fewer courtships in his life than Chad. I truly don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:08 PM
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Devout Christians will marry legally anyway. I know for a fact an imam will marry you without a marriage license and I doubt Buddhist priests have a problem with it either. The majority of people are not religious though, they can just have a secular ceremony.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:06 PM
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The whole OP is basically based on "I think relationships without marriage are not good enough, because... reasons..." How do you expect to convince people based on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 05:02 PM
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Some people marry their first love, others have dozens of relationships and flings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 04:55 PM
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Yup: a minority of men are involved in the majority of courtships/flings so women definitely get a skewed perspective of what the average man likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:00 PM
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I've been saying this all along, but people said I was crazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:12 PM
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You don't know if they consider you the most important person in their life: you can't read their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 12:15 PM
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That's a mean thing to say, but it's not entirely wrong... Maybe it's closer to 50%, maybe not, but it definitely isn't 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 12:03 PM
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There aren't enough of them, and that's if they're even allowed to date. Autism alone is about four times more prevalent in men than in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 12:00 PM
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What happens on the other side of the world won't influence gender dynamics here. And it's actually a global pattern that men are the most common victims of violent crime and war. Every time you hear about women raped or abducted in Africa the men were usually killed or maimed. Last time I checked there are female police officers, politicians and voters... It's not an exclusively male problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:53 AM
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Violent crime is rare and most of its victims are men, not women. Female targeted terrorism is a drop in the ocean compared to police killings of innocent men. The RP equivalent for women is all the old fashioned advice to the tune of "why would he buy the cow if he can get the milk for free", and the equivalent of mgtow are cat ladies and radfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:58 AM
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You can have the social statement of the proclamation with just a ceremony and without the legal side of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:42 AM
2

Yup, this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:39 AM
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As a woman it's easy to get a man to lust after you, but commitment is hard to come by. As a man it's the opposite. Men also get very little honest feedback on their attractiveness, casual sex can provide that. You're wrong to assume women who have casual sex don't actually want more with the men they sleep with, they usually do. You're also wrong to think men have to be just "somewhat attractive" to get regular casual sex: women know demand outstrips supply by a lot so they can be very picky fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:38 AM
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You don't have to be married to be together for life. If you don't stand to gain from certain tax laws then a marriage certificate only comes with risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:30 AM
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I'm guessing by "being sweet" you mean "being a clingy doormat". A lot of men don't like that, though some certainly do (but you probably don't notice those). It gives us very little time to get to know you and may make us suspect that maybe you're not entirely stable, or have low self-esteem if you seem obsessed with one particular guy you don't know very well. Also, teasing is fun, it's not rude, as long as you do it with a smile. I'm guessing since you're not naturally bitchy your interest in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:26 AM
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Men don't get clear directions on these things. For women it's quite clear: don't be a 30-year old virgin, and choose your boyfriends carefully enough that you won't have a ton of partners by the time you get to your husband/life partner. Almost every man is okay with that and it's also pretty much the societal norm, so no big mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 02:09 AM
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Where does this idea come from that divorce is vastly different between the classes? My dad was working class and paid alimony to my mom for 15 years (not child support, since she wasn't raising me, but alimony). They were only married for 3 years, and before him she didn't have a career to give up. Obviously things are slowly changing and jurisdictions differ in their laws, but to act like marriage isn't a risk is utterly ridiculous. Marriage is also unnecessary for 99% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:55 AM
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Well, I'm talking about people over 25 here, because I'm assuming the struggling women need some time before they notice they're struggling and get really frustrated about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:34 AM
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Could be that she's primed that way, could also be they got together when she was very young and she's sort of sticking with him because that's all she's ever known or because she's not yet aware of her other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:23 AM
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BS, sex in high school is very common: the majority does it in most schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:18 AM
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Nice anecdotes, but this isn't what I've seen: fat girls get a lot more attention than fat guys and lots of struggling young guys are in love with their homely female friends. Below-average looking girls still crowded around a minority of guys who would service them and were not the shy, unattractive guys you talk about. Yes, unattractive guys can complain about fat girls (who are in these cases usually also unattractive to boot), but is that really so unfair if they're not fat themselves? Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:17 AM
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It takes away the hypocrisy angle. And that pretty much undermines the whole OP, or are we supposed to hate on the fact that different men like different things (which is actually a good thing for women since not all women are the same)?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:08 AM
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I wish... Like I said, 6' isn't exactly tall around here (we're taller than Americans, including our women, and there's also a higher proportion of men who are white). Though I get what you're saying: I have a theoretical shot with more women because I won't be disqualified on ethnicity or height right from the start, but I can still be disqualified on first impression because of my face (I don't think I'm ugly but I also don't think 80% of women find my face especially attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:41 PM
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Lots of girls like manbuns and if he has a handsome face it doesn't sound like that couple is challenging the rules since they're young so money won't make much of a difference yet. It would be different if he stayed unemployed for the next 20 years and she stayed with him all that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:35 PM
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I'm 6', but that's only 1 inch above average (for white guys) over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:34 PM
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Oh, I see it all the time in bars and on the street. Especially the shorter blonde thicc girls are the dream of every non-white dude, including ripped dudes, it seems, so I don't know why so many waste their time going after me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:30 PM
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I know a guy who's dating a girl who is 5 inches taller than him (5'11" and 5'6"). They've been together for 8 years now. Then again he did struggle a lot before he found her, he was even rejected by one of her equally tall friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:26 PM
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If they're not socially inept and/or ugly they wouldn't be "inexperienced"...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:14 PM
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I don't know how you are with your brothers and friends, but most single guys do discuss women and their (lack) of success with them fairly regularly. Of course the word "Chad" doesn't get used but there's certainly the more successful guys trying to give the less successful ones advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 11:11 PM
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Chad usually has at least one non-Chad brother/nephew/friend/colleague, they're not complete strangers to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:56 PM
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Yeah, there you go. Actually most women who like me are more like that thicc girl (they're usually blonde too), while I'm athletic, luckily it's not all of them. I'd happily pass the thicc girls along if I had male ethnic friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:42 PM
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Why does everyone tell incels to 'work on their personality' if it really is just looks that's the problem? Virtue signalling, or just-world hypothesis, same way people say "god has a plan, everything happens for a reason" when someone loses a family member in a car crash. That's not to say there aren't some toxic and/or autistic incels who wouldn't be incels if they had different personalities, but I do believe their problem is mostly looks, in general. After all, they usually only become bitte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:30 PM
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Incels are dangerous because they are attention starved and you don't know what they will become once they get it. Same goes for girls with low self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:27 PM
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They'd rather be alone than date men who are so unattractive. I can't say I blame them: I turn down fat women who offer me sex so I get why lonely women turn down incels. Though I hate it when these women complain "no men" ever like them or that there are no "good men" left. I don't go complaining like that: I know there are lots of smart, nice women who I won't date because they're too unattractive for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:26 PM
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Are the women bitching about “unfair beauty standards” or HAAS or whatever just fixating on an actually small percentage of men, namely educated UMC white men, who prefer twigs like you’d see in vogue etc? Yes, though Indian and East Asian men aren't that much into thicc women either, but they're tiny minorities compared to black, latino and all kinds of shades of brown, men. Still, white men are the largest group of men and UMC white men are an even bigger share of all UMC men. I think women mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:19 PM
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Not digging the one on the right (the blonde), but then again I am a UMC white male...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:15 PM
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It's a spectrum and, they're not absolutes since everyone has some alpha, beta and omega traits, just in different areas and quantities. The stereotypical beta would just be your average man who's not good at dating or particularly attractive, but stumbles into a LTR from time to time. The stereotypical omega is nerdy, unattractive, out of shape, lazy and socially inept (think of a neckbeard living in his mom's basement). If you have to ask which one you are and think the Red Pill has cut and dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:25 PM
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Different groups of men...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:20 PM
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If it's really that bad I fell very bad for you, but still, that's not really common.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:01 PM
1

Sure you can find love, why would that not be feasible for INTJ women specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 07:57 PM
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It's not the providing part TRP has a problem with, in fact many RP men would want to be traditional providers, it's the part where the woman is only with you because you provide while she does the bare minimum to keep you from leaving her and she secretly lusts (and sometimes not just in her head) after other men. I'm not RP, but I'm terrified of becoming a BB too. I avoid party girls, vet women I date and don't believe in AWALT, but still, the fear is there, it's not that different from puttin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 07:56 PM
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I'm not sure what you're on about. I know there are shorter girls who have wider hips/waist than petite or tall girls (at least relative to their body length) but dresses do still look good on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 07:50 PM
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With a condom and if the guy makes an effort to fake it, the yeah, he can probably get away without her knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 06:47 PM
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Everything eventually works out in the end so why bother talking about it? Adults complaining about "hypergamy" is the same as a 13 year old complaining about why they're single. They eventually find someone and -poof- No more complaining. Nah. Many people divorce and don't remarry and many people settle, often without really thinking about it, but even at age 50 I doubt a majority of people are happily married/LTRed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 06:08 PM
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Why do you think Chad is a psychopath who can't empathize with other men and who never wants to have a family or a love of his life? IMO most Chads are just guys who were born good-looking and learned game and got confident around women from girls liking them since middle school. Chads often do try to help out their more unfortunate male friends, it's just that most of the time their advice is misguided because after all those years of success everything just comes natural to them and they can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 06:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't think many people know about the options, but I most people I've known know that autism in adults is there to stay, that's why I was confused when you asked if there was a cure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:56 PM
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Would you get married with a prenup. Why does a piece of paper matter so much to you, why do you think it proves or changes anything? Would you be fine with a ceremonial/religious maariafge before friends and family, without legal marriage? Why do you think it's 1617 where people still care about "bastards"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:53 PM
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There's no cure for autism (I though that was common knowledge). There are some gains you can make through therapy and actively working on developing your social skills but for that to have a meaningful effect you have to start as early as possible, meaning during puberty at the latest, and you couldn't have been too far out on the spectrum at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:48 PM
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Ok, I found him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:41 PM
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Wanting marriage and demanding it are two different things. The latter is only for entitled bitches who can't take of themselves, those are not quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:36 PM
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The books are set in the 90s...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 02:46 PM
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And it doesn't bother you that it killed 2000 sentient AIs to run that simulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 02:16 PM
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Incels on websites like those are more like radicalized Muslims. If they were really psychopaths they wouldn't feel empathy for anyone, including their own families, from puberty/childhood on, and incidentally they would be less likely to be incels to since psychopaths do really well with the ladies. Your sister may be in psychiatry residency, but you are clearly not, based on both the OP and your responses to comments. I'm guessing you confused the word "psychotic" with "psychopathic", but even…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 02:12 PM
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Men want all women, women all want the same man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 02:04 PM
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Indian Chad is an oxymoron...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 01:58 PM
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Yeah, so? Are you suggesting that's wrong for men to feel? Do you think men are pussies for wanting to not have to look over their shoulder every second? Also, do you think women become happy from constantly fighting over a small pool of men who commit? Also, who says Chad doesn't empathize with less desirable men? I empathize with incels, why wouldn't Chad empathize with me? And you know, maybe Chad want to have a family too one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 09:24 PM
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Break up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:45 PM
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Hypergamy is sort of an instinct and to what degree it develops depends on genes, upbringing and experience. I guess you could compare it to sexual orientation: it's just there and a fixed part of you once you reach adulthood. If you feel like a gay man but you don't want to because you think it's not the most rational life option for you your SOL and if you have a female partner it's in her best interest to just find a man who doesn't feel gay. I assume what most RPers or PPers mean when they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:16 PM
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Yeah, that's an important distinction. Settling is normal when it's reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:11 PM
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She would be hypergamous, and not just a little, otherwise she wouldn't be saying this, she would just be trying to consciously fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:09 PM
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She would be hypergamous, and not just a little, otherwise she wouldn't be saying this, she would just be trying to consciously fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:00 PM
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"Settling" (when it's reasonable) is something you want someone to internalize, to be intuitively ok with, not to verbalize. It's like when you have kids there's always going to be one you have a better connection with, but it's not something you say out loud and it doesn't mean you don't love your other kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 07:47 PM
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Yup, count your blessings ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 07:35 PM
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1) It's not necessary. Having a couple of relationships (even if it's just 2) before you find your life partner is very good preparation and gets rid of that nagging feeling of "I've never had anyone else, did I miss out?". I did see one post here saying sleeping around gives men an idea of their SMV, I guess there is something to that, but I also think there are other ways to gauge your SMV. I think when people say they soawed their wild oats, or got "it" out of their system, it's mostly after-…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 06:43 PM
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You have no idea how much you lucked out being born female. I know some women like you and whenever I see them picking up attractive men (or sometimes women), or listen to their stories I feel like a starving refugee looking into a rich country through an electrified fence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 06:35 PM
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I think you missed my point which was that it's suspect when you're over 30 and you get propositioned by a former 9 while a 9, or an 8 has never shown any interest in you before.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 12:12 PM
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Like some other people have said here, I would definitely like a switch to turn it off or on. I wouldn't want to completely remove it but I can see why incels would. These lyrics are spot on about the male sex drive: Why must I feel like that Why must I chase the cat Nothin' but the dog in me
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 11:22 AM
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Generally between 16 and 20 for me: some 19-year olds look like kids to me, some 16-year olds are indistinguishable from the average 22-year old. I do think it's natural for older men to sometimes find girls younger than 18 attractive, and this shouldn't be shamed. I don't think older men should act on this though, even if the girl takes the initiative, so if you get into trouble with age of consent laws that's on you (btw, the age of consent IS 16 in many jurisdictions in the Western World)..
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 11:10 AM
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Most guys never get to bang even a single 9. Of course most guys never get put in the position of being an (below) average guy with above average income who in his 30s is propositioned by a former hot girl who wants a relationship with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 11:03 AM
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Not necessarily with the same quality girls though...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 01:41 AM
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Avoiding stress (or learning to deal with it better) is one of the known ways to stay physically attractive longer. On average, women experience more stress than men, I don't know if they're predisposed to, or if it's mostly a cultural thing, but it's a factor in them aging faster. Also on average, alcohol and drugs affect women's bodies more because they have lower body mass (in a mixed friends group at a bar a girl isn't going to pour half of her second glass on the ground while her male frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 06:43 PM
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For a lot of men, it isn't because they feel that it is unfair that other men got to "enjoy" her at her hottest and he gets "leftovers". Depends. If he's reasonably sure that he'd never had a chance with her when she was a 9/10, even if he was at his peak at the same, he's going to suspect she's settling hard for him. Otherwise no, it won't bother him, though he might be tempted to go for 9/10s, knowing he can get those.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 06:35 PM
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People are constantly trying to take advantage of you. People are constantly telling you what you want to hear because they want something from you. Basically the female version of all that. Ha, female entitlement. Expecting some nice gentleman to be interested in her as a person, maybe if she wouldn't be so needy and see men as objects to validate her personality she wouldn't have this problem. (I acutally don't think this way, but this is pretty much the raction men get when they complain abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 06:29 PM
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How much of that is really specific to models though? Hot girls in other walks of life don't have most of the problems you describe IMO, though they do have other problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 06:12 PM
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You get 10 more years of 7/10 goodness and you get to wait to have kids 10 more years. Those are some hard to ignore selling points IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 04:22 PM
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After all she does have many other offers to justify it after all. Only for pump & dump, which isn't what most women want most of the time...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:54 PM
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If this were true, then asian men would SLAY , and yet , it's the exact opposite. Nobody said it was strong enough to overcome unattractiveness all the time, or even most of the time. It also only works for RMV, not so much SMV, unless you've got some gold digger on your hands who thinks she can use sex to get a relationship. She wont fuck you if she knows you perceivably have a lot of monetary stability and she now wants to slide you as the provider, and not the provider of sex. Yup, I can atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:39 PM
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1) Someone being way past their peak could indicate they're not comfortable with their new "league", this increases the chances of that person grudgingly settling, which is going to make for one awful relationship. 2) Someone nearer to their peak has more good-looking years left. 3) In real life people won't just meet persons A) and B) at 35, they'll also meet persons C) and D) at age 25 who are pretty much younger versions of persons A) and B), so the choice isn't just between A) and B).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:26 PM
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Yes, most people can, at least in theory. They may lose a tiny bit of their peak attractiveness, but not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 12:01 PM
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Over 35, definitely over 30, I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 12:00 PM
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Some guys don't have the social awareness to realize that "leagues are only in your head" and "a great personality can make up for anything" are just platitudes of the same caliber as "everything happens for a reason". Other guys just hope for that 1 in 1000 chance and others are just drunk or cocky. Women do it too: I always see fat chicks lurking in bars waiting until the guys get drunk and desperate and the pretty girls have gone home. Point is I don't think 9s and 10s get hit on more than 7s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 11:15 AM
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How common is this? It's about half the times I get hit on. It has happened less than a dozen times for me, but it will be more common for hotter men. No, you're not likely to get murdered/raped in a ditch, but that's not a likely outcome for women either. The most likely outcome is your night being ruined and you slipping away at some point so you can't be followed home, just as it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 11:11 AM
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I'm a history buff, I have an understanding of it, but I don't like to discuss it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:50 AM
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Depends... I mean no one's going to help you if she doesn't take no for an answer and you're not allowed to use any physical means (not even push her away), or raise your voice, otherwise the crowd will turn against you. Also, fat chicks can be surprisingly strong...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:49 AM
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Yes, "hitting the wall" must be more painful than it is for average and below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:30 AM
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I've often heard the complaint that guys don't dare to approach/hit on the really attractive girls as much (though of course some will), so which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:29 AM
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Any woman who is at least moderately attractive has to deal with creeps and sleazeballs... As does any man who is attractive, just less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:26 AM
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Girls that don't know her will avoid her outright. I don't think she has a single girl friend that she hasn't met in highschool. That's a negative right there, and this will extend to her dealings with female employers/managers. she seems to have life literally on easy mode. Which makes it much harder to develop interests and a work ethic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:14 AM
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Yeah you did. You proposed a system where women give signals with plausible deniability and it would be up to the men to decipher those. I point out that this would just result in the men shotgunning every woman anyway because that takes less effort. This would be a serious problem you can't just handwave away. No matter what method for IOIs you choose this problem would exist, unless rules were actively enforced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:05 AM
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Lol, I knew I'd get reactions to this. Either people claiming "true" communism could work with people as they are, or that communism has some deeper flaw that prevents it from working even if people were different. Not what I came here to argue though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 12:47 AM
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You can do pretty well as an Arab but you have to style and behave (that includes being secular) like a "native" Western European, otherwise you'll have low status, that is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 12:45 AM
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Can confirm: they just say "hi", if you're really special you may also get an emoji. They 100% expect the guy to still start the actual conversation with something original. It's lazy app design: iirc tinder doesn't allow 2-letter openings, but bumble still does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:44 PM
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Yeah, I don't think these things can be fixed fundamentally. Online dating (or apps) is basically like communism: for it to work you would have to change human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:38 PM
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Or... it would result in hordes of thirdty guys taking everything as a "subtle IOI", or simply shotgunning every woman regardless of if they ever had any interaction with her. I mean how would the app/site enforce that men only respond to IOIs (who would even get to determine what counts as an IOI and what doesn't)?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:08 PM
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I wonder if that's an American thing though. In any case, how desperate must these dudes be? I was clueless about girls when I was younger, but it never even occurred to me that buying them gifts or running errands for them would make them fall for me. I've really only heard about that from Americans on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:58 PM
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I agree, except that it's not the top 1/3rd, IMO it barely correlates with her own RMV, that's what makes it even more insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 08:00 PM
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Yeah, but typically when they're older, and in meatspace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 03:55 PM
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Well, boys are rapidly catching up in the body issues department. I think the perception of actual prevalence and accessibility of hot people is by far the strongest influence on standards and online dating has increased both (from the pov of women).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 03:31 PM
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The author actually wrote a whole book about it later, and similar studies were later done on other sites and apps, with similar results. It's a little more than a blog post by now...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:41 PM
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The question is, what happens when all women, or at least a majority are online dating in the future? It's naive to think that this won't increase their meatspace standards, even if it's just because their sense of how common and accessible the hottest guys becomes warped from them online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:40 PM
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Yeah, but can't you see how a woman expecting diamond earrings 5 times a year might rub a lot of men the wrong way, especially if the relationship is still young? P.S. most men don't expect to get a watch 5 times a year, especially not on days that mean nothing to them emotionally, they're actually being perfectly consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:37 PM
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It's not that simple and I can see why TRP cynically considers statements like these to be women signalling unattractive men to not even think about her as a potential mate for his subhuman sorry ass. I mean women constantly remind men of their different nature (and how they are supposedly less shallow and more empathic and all that) and needs. And how many women really like to be bro-zoned by attractive men? The whole thing is kind of a straw man too: men consciously know (from female friends a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:28 PM
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For every single holiday yes, it is ridiculous, since most holidays are just commercially driven events promoted by corporations to sell more useless crap. Men often don't have emotional attachments to these. Especially considering that women who voice this out loud don't mean getting a book at the bookstore when they say "present".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:09 PM
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Eventually a woman who is average will ideally find an average-looking guy who appeals to her due to his profile content and his correspondence with her, but who does not look like Chad This is where you're wrong: many women are on there for years on end, rejecting hundreds, if not thousands of suitors and then they either find a man in meatspace or they adopt a bunch of cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:03 PM
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The OKCupid study showed that, even though women only rate the top tier men as attractive, they eventually end up messaging other men Proportionally they messaged men the same way men message women, but in absolute terms they message much less often than men. Whether women respond to more average men is more important, I don't think that was measured, but I could be wrong. For now meatspace is more forgiving for men but that may not last.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:38 PM
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It's true for women who are young and not utterly hideous (young women simply are more desired than young men). Of course some young men have high standards too for relationships but that's mostly a minority of educated men. As others have pointed out, men can get a warped sense of women's meatspace standards because of online dating, but then again, online dating is becoming so common it may very well be starting to increase women's meatspace standards. Over age 30, and when talking about very …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:29 PM
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That's mostly "older" women though. Unless you consider it settling when women basically sit around waiting for men who aren't ugly to approach them while they could find better men if they were more proactive. That kind of settling is common and results in a lot of abusive relationships. It's sheer stupidity, but you can't help people who don't want to be helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:25 PM
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It's not that simple. It depends on his looks, his standards (for shotgunning straightforwardness to work his standards have to be quite low unless he's especially Chadly), the local population density (there have to be enough "targets" who don't all talk to each other), and his level of tact around his straightforwardness. And no, getting a sleazy reputation isn't harmless. It could get you banned from venues, hurt your chances with girls who've heard about you and there are other negative effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:14 PM
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Isn't the general red pill consensus on rape, that ONLY unattractive men will be accused of rape, and NOT attractive men? No, that's the RP consensus on harrassment accusations. RP acknowledges attractive men can be accused of rape if the girl is mad he doesn't call her back or to cover up her cheating on her boyfriend/husband. With the selfish, airhead type party girl red pillers seem to target, plus the fact most of them have no qualms about sleeping with women they know are taken, I actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:33 AM
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We can’t seem to find men who like the idea of spending the rest of their life, or even year lol, with the same woman. That's a problem with your taste in men, not a problem with all men, or even a majority of men. Yeah, I know I'm being harsh here but I know I'm right: most men do want to commit to the right woman (or man). And no, they don't need to celebrate their 30th birthday first, maybe for marriage and children, but not to be faithful and committed to a girlfriend. P.S. men on PPD are le…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:47 AM
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Because of cultural and peer pressure, or, regrettably, to have access to more resources (not just in case of divorce, but also social security).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:45 AM
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OP is very Amero-centric. You won't just automatically lose your kids and half your stuff from a divorce in say, Denmark. That said I don't think legal marriage has much use. Ceremonial marriage does for some people, on a religious or emotional level.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:41 AM
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To evolution it's meaningless semantics whether she loves you because of the resources, safety and stability you can provide or for the healthy genes you'll pass on to her kids. To see this remember that the reason women are attracted to tall, muscular men is also because of safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:40 AM
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Must be some tough logistics...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 11:30 PM
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The halo effect often works against you when dealing with members of the same sex, this suppresses many advantages on average. An example is an increasing percentage of managers being women so pretty fenale applicants are losing their advantage and if at some point in the future more rhan 50% of managers are female then pretty female applicants will actually be at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 09:22 PM
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Yeah, I'm not RP and don't have Chad mentality and like I said, I only know one true Chad and even he can't seduce most taken women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 07:29 PM
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IMO most women remain loyal, at least if they're satisfied with their relationship. Many like the idea of flirting with Chad and getting his attention, most won't be willing to take it further. Then again I'm not a true Chad: I'm only 6' in a tall area, with an 8/10 face on a good day (I am a mesomorph though), and I don't push things with taken women because that goes against my ethics. A friend of mine is a True-Chad™, he got an engaged woman to cheat with him, but it was obvious she was dissa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:21 PM
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If she's truly hideous no one will be wondering why she's a virgin, that's outside the scope of the OP. Being shy doesn't matter for girls, in fact many guys think it's cute and prefer it. If she's autistic that falls under the mental illness explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:13 PM
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I'm from there too: Chad is 6'2" here. That's not to say guys between 5'10" and 6'2" can't get a lot of women if they have a 10/10 face.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:11 PM
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Depends a lot on the area. 5'10" is tall in Denver, Barcelona or Paris, but it's basically manlet in Amsterdam, Berlin or Stockholm...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 05:40 PM
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If she'll settle for not hot she'd have had a boyfriend already.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:18 PM
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Tall men make more money (confirmed from multiple studies), from my personal observations homeless men are more likely to be short. Not sure if there's a correlation for women: they'll probably get hired and promoted more easily by men but less easily by women and they're probably less motivated at a young age to be academic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:17 PM
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They do that through religion, so OP is not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:08 PM
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If she wants it only in a LTR with a hot guy while she's ugly then she's SOL. Then again, if she can keep resisting Chad year after year while not getting any anywhere else then she kinda has to be asexual or religious (or at least brainwashed by the religious narrative of sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:06 PM
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Or rural people just dumpsterdive more?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 11:54 AM
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She should go on Tinder. Also having chronically low self-esteem could be argued to be a form of (or a symptom of) mental instability.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 11:51 AM
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In a Bayesian sense it does increase the likelihood, that's what Maikowski meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 11:49 AM
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Yes, that's definitely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:58 AM
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She'll get her chance with Chad if she goes to bars/clubs or goes on dating sites/apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:12 AM
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Waiting until marriage is a religious thing and almost all women had a chance at having a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:11 AM
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At a certain age, what other reasons are there if she's not absolutely hideous? She undoubtedly had opportunities, even if she's picky or only wants sex in a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:10 AM
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Yes, true for the most part, though women sure as hell did compete to be noticed by powerful men: the marriage of a town chieftain, wealthy merchant or military officer could definitely include some volition on the part of the woman. I also added the part about prehistory (spanning more generations than history) when it was a choice for women. You can still see this in chimps and bonobos
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:05 AM
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True, but powerful men had more kids (wealthy men in general had more kids who survived until adulthood, up to the 19th century, and in Africa they still do) and more/better mates. That's what counts. In prehistory there definitely was a correlation between status and female attraction resulting in more/better mates for high status males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 01:21 AM
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It's true of our sex drive as well, evolution just hasn't had time to catch up with reliable birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 01:16 AM
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Have you even read the study? I suspect not I had not, nor did I claim to, that's why I said I had to get back to you on that. But I've read it now. 98 pictures of the opposite gender were shown in random order to thousands of men and women. Yes, unfortunately we do not know how those 98 pictures were obtained/selected. The reason I said 98 was a small number is because they rate 12 characteristics (variables), so with at least two levels per variable you need at the very least 212 (which is mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 01:11 AM
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It's not illegitimate, but it only exists for the genetic reason. So yeah, OP is right that if power stopped meaning access to more/better mates than eventually men would become less ambitious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:11 AM
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You're thinking is very Euro-modern-age-centric. Concubines who were property of the king/emperor/khan/pharaoh/satrap/governor/prince/chieftain are very common in history. So yes, powerful men snatched up hot 16-year old girls throughout history and their wive (well, often multiple wives) had to choke on it. Of course the relation between male power and access to mates predates bipedalism, so this is all kind of moot anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:55 PM
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1) she kinda wants some aspects of a relationship but not really the commitment and sacrifice, so this is some kind of middle ground for her 2) she's actually looking for fwb and is bisexual 3) she so desperately wants a high value man thar she'd rather share one than have a lower value man all to herself 4) because she wants to be poly like the cool kids and be a rebel, that is until she gets her heart broken a couple of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:35 PM
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Plus a lot of guys who can't get laid outside an LTR, or at least couldn't get it up with the kind of women who would be willing to have sex outside an LTR with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:25 PM
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One word: concubines.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:23 PM
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Yup, men overreport and women underreport. The median should be higher for women than for men. If I had to guess for Americans it would be maybe 5 for men and 8 for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:06 PM
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I'm assuming the father's would rather marry their daughters off to powerful men, that is if the fathers were even given a choice or weren't simply bribed by powerful (=rich) men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:48 PM
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Have you never felt the raw will to power? The lust for power is so hardwired (it's millions of years old) that we see it as a goal on its own, but really it only makes sense because power gives greater access to mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:44 PM
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but the hottest chick in the trailer park has 2 kids, 80 extra pounds, and a few felonious ex-boyfriends and baby daddies by the time she's 23. Historically she wouldn't have the high caloric diet to get fat at that age, or have access to meth, and if the local lord had snatched her up at age 16 she'd be discharged from hard manual labor. Besides, evolution doesn't care what she looks like AFTER she popped out those babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:37 PM
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Yeah, hopefully she'll learn from this, but that's only possible through introspection and introspection won't happen if she simply blames everything on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:10 PM
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She's allowed to have her preferences, whatever they are, even if it means she'll end up as a cat lady. Of course it will be 10x times easier for to land an ambitious man if she's ambitious herself, but again, if she doesn't want to be ambitious herself than it's her choice, as long as she doesn't complain about it being so hard to find an ambitious man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:59 PM
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History (5k years) is but a blimp in humanity's existence (200k years). Even chimps practice politics to have more access to mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:34 PM
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The patriarchy oppresse(d/s) women AND non-elite men (to keep the competition down). Elite men might as well be a separate gender. Some feminists (mostly the older ones) get this, a lot don't. The reason men so desperately want to get to the top and stay there is ultimately because women like high status men, that's true. It's just so ingrained that we men don't even know it consciously. I suppose oppressing women then makes sense because it keeps ambitious women from taking elite spots, it also…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:32 PM
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Nope, not my thing, I need her to have ambitiins. But since she does have hobbies I can see why a lot of men would be okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:09 PM
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Lol, Saudi Arabia will never be on that list, no matter how many madrasssas they build to brainwash poor kids in Pakistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:06 PM
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Well, then they could still remove the oltion for married couples as well, or raise the income/wealth treshold of the gf/bf (and make it valid for rich countries only), or make it a contract separate from marriage, just like you can get a joined mortgage without a marriage. There are ways to separate migration from marriage while at the same making it more restrictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 02:37 PM
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You can think of things in advance: you're doing it right now! We all know stuff can happen, that's why people typically don't agree to conditions like the guy proposed here, but she did, that's her fault and no one else's. The women there, and her too, are blaming him for doing exactly what he said he would do. That goes beyond advising her to leave because she changed her mind. The whole thing reeks of a sort of entitlement that women have the right to change the man and the nature of the rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 12:12 PM
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see there is two kind of charity. If you have 50k in your bank account. Giving 25k is stupid. if you're a billionaire well you don't care. Charity depends on the financial state of both persons involved. Giving 25k would be life-altering for the recipient in this case, so it's not a normal relationship dynamic and breeds/attracts entitlement. If you're rich and want to be charitable go fund schilarships, or hospitals in Africa for people who really need the money to live. A relationship is about…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:58 AM
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My piont is if you made substantial changes to legalities surrounding marriage that would require making legal changes in other areas, there are always unintended consequences. Agreed. But those can be overcome. European countries have overhauled their welfare and tax systems simultaneously with modernising their divorce and marriage laws. I actually do wonder what society's opinion is on to what the degree a handful of people importing low-skilled third world spouses should outweigh having more…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:41 AM
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Yes, it was in the follow-up comments. No one's saying she was obligated to stay with him forever when she changes her mind. What we are saying is that it's wring to blame him for her choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:35 AM
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Even if you agreed with the initial terms of the relationship, what happens when something comes up that you DO disagree on? Your only options are going to be: A) do it her way or B) leave. That's not conducive to building a life together long term. So you break up and go think long and hard about the things you'd agree to in the future. You don't go blaming the other person for YOUR choices. I mean, sure, it's human to want to blame the other person but it is entitlement/immaturity (those are h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:34 AM
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That is a possibility, however we do know the reactions of the women on the r/relationships thread are not fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:54 AM
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He told her it would be like that at the start and she agreed to it. He also secretly paid for her cat's surgery and her dad's funeral through giving her mom the money, she only foubd that out later. Yeah, what a stingy asshole he must be...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:48 AM
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Wearing suits or surfer clothes, etc... are more restrictive for men than wearing "clothes that don't hide your figure" (this has nothing to do with revealing: no skin has to be shown) is for women. I dunno about that study since it also says men found the women in general more attractive than vice versa. It's entirely possible the men found the same 10% of women the most attractive but found 40% "attractive enough" while the women found different groups within 20% the most attractive and the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:24 AM
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Then make it so you can sponsor a gf or bf, just build in some mechanism that ensures you can't just do it on the fly (like it can be only one person with residency at a time, unless they get a work visa on their own). Because basically that's the only reason they require marriage: to ensure you can only bring in one person at a time. You're all stuck thinking from the current system when really any system could work as long as you can't bring in multiple people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:54 AM
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A lot of man are already dating fat women who were fat when they started dating. This is mostly in the LC and LMC. In the UMC and UC there's significant social pressure against this and that does keep a significant minority of men in those classes from dating fat girls. I'd still say a majority of men in those classes are not attracted to fat women, I know I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:48 AM
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I don't know, many of them were born autistic, they can't be "fixed", and many overestimate their own attractiveness (every guy on the internet calls himself a 6 or a 7, sometimes a 5, never a 2 or a 3, even though 20% are, this is why they think you have to be >8 to even get a girlfriend who isn't a landwhale). They also often mean they have an average face, while average face plus being really short equals below average attractiveness. There's fakers, but probably not more than half IMO. I wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 11:43 PM
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People who are dating but not married do not have these options, why should a piece of paper make a difference. Also why should the government sponsor people importing low-skilled third worlders? If you really want to you could always become a sponsor of the person you want to import, then you wouldn't have to be married. If you don't like that option you're basically saying you're expecting your future spouse to freeload off the government at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 11:33 PM
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That's not explaining why it should be linked, that's just explaining why a lot of people get married who otherwise wouldn't have gotten married, at leadt not until later.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 11:09 PM
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Women have varied tastes mostly in the sense of style. Some women love tall men with symmetrical, angular faces with piercing blue eyes, blond curly hair who wear suits, other women love tall men with symnetrical angular faces with piercing brown eyes and long brown hair who wear jeans and t-shirts. Meanwhile some men love chubby short women with round faces and any hair color, and other men love tall slender girls with fox-like faces and any hair color, both groups of men don't really care abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 11:05 PM
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So? Why can't they get a work visa or a sponsor (which could be the future spouse) and maybe eventually apply for citizenship the regular way? Basically all the current system does is encourage hasty marriages of convenience because unmarried couples don't get immigration goodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:52 PM
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Yes it's nuts to wait: so appearing unapproachable isn't that much of a deal for men and if you display closed body language while doing the approaching you must be socially handicapped. The delusional unattractive guy compensates by playing the numbers game and having above average social skills and humor (well, probably alcohol too, let's be honest). Still, there are limits to how unattractive he can be before nothing can help him compensate (IMO). I agree there are guys who think they're ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:07 PM
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Women who are smart and capable of introspection learn it soon enough, and the ones who are always in a LTR get insulated from it, but the rest yeah, they're so delusional and not girlfriend material at all. Parents should teach their daughters more about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 09:58 PM
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They're usually older people who settled/gave up or they grew fat together after they started dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 09:36 PM
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Yeah, took me a long time to figure out fat women have only marginally lower standards than hot women (I never hit on fat women, but still, it's insane).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 09:03 PM
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How would you handle issues like immigration, joint health insurance, hospital visits, etc. in this case? Why should immigration be linked to marriage. The healthcare thing isn't an issue outside the US (and shouldn't be in the US either, but that's another debate), hospital visits are tricky, but then again, you don't get automatic visitation rights when you've been a loyal gf/bf for years either, so why should people who got a shotgun/arranged/spur-of-the-moment wedding automatically get those…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 08:38 PM
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This is the legal default in the Netherlands. 50/50 split of assets is opt-in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 08:29 PM
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Switzerland?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 08:14 PM
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If those women are involuntarily celibate, why don't you send them my way to fuck me? I can fix their problem. I don't care if they're fat or ugly Doing the Lord's work, so the rest of us don't have to...🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 08:05 PM
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Marriage shouldn't come with any legal aspects except inheritance (and even then a written will should supersede it) and medical next-of-kin rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:09 PM
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Nah, male incels tend to be socially handicapped AND unattractive, or just very, very unattractive. Women are not going to hit on them anyway. Better looking men get hit on by persistent (mostly liw quality) women even if they seem unapproachable (I know that from back when I gave off an unapproachable vibe). These women get away with being much more persistent than what would be tolerated of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:02 PM
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There are a lot of tall women here, so that's one reason. Height isn't often a deal breaker here, unlike in the US (compared to the face), but yes, tall guys do have an advantage is bars and online, and not just with tall women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 06:49 PM
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Yeah women take a different approach: they increase their standards online... I wasn't talking about 80%, more like 20%. If fat girls think online dating is below them then that's moving the goalposts, it's not the same as being invisible. And really, fat girls who aplroach men themselves in bars get laid all the time with men who are much better looking than them (equally fat men don't get anything like that). I also doubt your friends would really want some currycell hitting on them in a bar, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 02:01 PM
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I'm not unattractive, but I'll give my 2 cents... Most unattractive men don't know they're unattractive, only the smarter, more introspective ones do (hell, most guys can't really rate men, they think Dave Batista looks better than Ryan Gosling ffs) and many just stumble into a relationship with an unattractive woman and that's it then. Most unattractive women know they are unattractive. They either tend to fish for validation and locking a boyfriend through easy sex, or they just turn inward an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 12:03 PM
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Western Europe: looks (mostly face, then height, then body, you don't have to be shredded), persona (like "being in a band") and social status, in that order. Money doesn't play as big a role here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 11:02 AM
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If she's so smart (or even if she has just average intelligence) then why doesn't she have other interests? At the very least she'd have reading as an interest. P.S. the unicorn you described would still bore me to death, just not for me: I already have a pet, I don't need another.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:57 AM
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Sometimes it's a coping mechanism if he was the one who broke up with her and she feels salty about it (the same way they think men who aren't into them are intimidated by them or are commitment phobes), sometimes it's her terrible taste in men, sometimes it's her own overly dramatic personality labelling everyone abusive, sometimes she was genuinely duped by a seemingly good guy. The latter is more rare rare than the other three combined, especially if she says she has multiple abusive exes. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:48 AM
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Yes, have you never heard "men are pigs", or "men are afraid of commitment", or "men are selfish", or "men are simple"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:42 AM
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You're almost right, but actually above average women are less promiscuous. The women willing to dole out NSA sex (or have sex very quickly, hoping to ensnare a boyfriend) are disproportionately average or below average, even for Chad. Chad is Chad precisely because he can afford to pick only the few hot girls offering NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:40 AM
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Hypergamy towards rich, very tall, or hyper-masculine men is stronger in America, for cultural and economic reasons, that's definitely true, but hypergamy towards facially handsome men exists everywhere, though culture makes it less or more pronounced from country to country.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:26 AM
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Ok, didn't see that. I'm guessing that does make it more acceptable for a lot of guys, not for me though, but I know I'm not representative of most men when it comes to my tastes in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:04 AM
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A generation or two. There's a difference between the cultural "new normal" and the "natural" IMO. Fertility rates that lead to rapid (on nature's timescale) extinction are the new normal in South Korea and Singapore, but they can't be natural by definition. The past had its own dating problems, but it also had harsh circumstances (like small tribes that by their size limit women's access to rare Chads and the non-existence of scrawny awkward guts because everyone was raised the same way and tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:59 AM
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Doesn't matter if he copy-pasted. He wouldn't have sent anything if he wasn't at least open to getting laid with her. But if it makes you feel better than extend it to "exchanges two messages with her". No, there aren't "enough women out there" for those bottom percentiles of men. Sure, eventually many do eventually get in a relationship when they're older but those usually border on (or literally are) business transactions/arranged marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:26 AM
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Some people say RBF, I've mostly heard it said as BRF.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:16 AM
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A match means nothing, a message does and it's online that all the closeted fat afficionados come out of the woodwork because no one is watching them. I disagree that everyone who is invisible can become visible by improving themselves: women, not even short women are standing in line for funny looking 5'2" muscle cubes, and women with severe chronic acne are f-d too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:46 PM
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By and large women in their peak prefer men who are a couple of years older, even for casual sex, so men must stop peaking a couple of years later at the very least. I don't see how this can even be argued: sure men can go bald (which they can still own, btw), but on average, and without make up, by age 40, a man who takes care of himself will look better than a woman who takes care of herself. Nature lets men know which women can still give them (healthy) babies and which can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:40 PM
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Most guys aren't down for it, or only with minimal effort, but there are still some who love fat women, as the linked piece demonstrates. IMO you don't need to have a relationship to be considered "visible": if I lust over an incredibly rude, b*tch of a woman she's obviously not invisible to me, I just wouldn't get into a relationship with her. I also think if losing weight is the only thing they need then they should count their blessings that they're not burn victims or bugeyed 5'2" brown guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:23 PM
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Class is about the income of the parents (and grandparents). It's a set of values and a network, those are ingrained from childhood. I agree with Electra_Cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:13 PM
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Nah, men who were raised conservative and aren't highly educated get along fine with such women, I don't know how they do it but I've seen it. Your view is biased from an educated, liberal/centrist perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:08 PM
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Purple pill, I guess... 30, now UMC, but raised in working class. I wouldn't settle for the woman as described. I need a woman with a job, an education and a curious mind or I would get bored of her and basically view her like a pet. Then again I'm very curious and I'm not a conservative, so that may be why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:06 PM
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If it's just a fat thing they could have guys kissing their asses on Tinder https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.refinery29.com/amp/fat-sex-myths&ved=0ahUKEwid6fv9k6bYAhWGCMAKHcA0BDMQFggnMAE&usg=AOvVaw0rMNft1GvYQgzFIBpeFv0e&ampcf=1 AFAIK there isn't anything equivalent for ugly neckbeards and scrawny Indian IT guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:59 PM
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Doesn't account for the women who scare guys off with their body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:52 PM
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Yes, there are significantly less than their male counterparts, maybe a third or even less (if you don't believe me you have to remember there are men who specifically want obese or really tall women). I think for most of them the reason is medical, like amputees or skin disease. There's also a contingent of women who think they are invisible but aren't, it's just that their hostile body language (BRF) sends guys running.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:50 PM
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It roughly does though, in the long run, absent disruptive externalities (like dating apps, the obesity epidemic, massive incone inequality, and upbringings/culture that don't account for reality). From what I've seen Western Europe is slightly more looksmatched than the US, because it has less disruptive externalities. I mean yeah, some hypergamy is biological, but certainly not all of it. It's not something that can be (or should be) forced on an individual level, but you can't force employers…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 07:48 PM
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Looksmatching, on average, tends to make people happier (and society more prosperous/stable) than the alternatives, it's basically the Nash-equilibrium of the relationship market. Of course you knew that already, so I'm not sure why I even bothered writing this...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 07:33 PM
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The Federation was a civilian government, not the military. There definitely was scarcity in the form of housing space, holodeck time and energy sources. Admirals lived more luxuriously than unemployed civilians. The post scarcity lines wasn't really explained, probably because the writers knew they couldn't rhyme it with established practices on the shows and basic physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 07:26 PM
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If you were born ugly but smart getting a good career is easier than getting women. If you were born handsome but dumb you probably won't have a good career but you won't need to to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 05:54 PM
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Lower class single moms are overrepresented on dating sites. They specifically go on dating sites because they can't get non-ugly men with steady jobs offline. Quality women are rare on dating sites, unless with a catch, like them working 60 hours a week or having impossible standards for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 05:50 PM
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You really don't have to be in the top 3% to not want to "date down" (a lot). It's becoming rare for men with master's degrees to LTR/marry a woman without a bachelor's. Same for men with bachelor's degrees and women without a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 05:42 PM
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Uhm no, the law doesn't err on the side of caution against perps, unless you live in North Korea or some Islamic country. In Western law it errs on the side of caution in favor of the perp: innocent until proven beyond reasonable doubt and all that (or "it's better to let 10 guilty men walk free than to jail 1 innocent man"). Being under the influence is a valid legal defense for a variety of offenses (though that's not to say you can't be send to rehab by a judge). There's an exception for driv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 05:36 PM
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Yeah, it's like they don't even get they were just an easy lay for the Chad in question, who probably wasn't even sober. Nobody wins here, not even Chad really...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 05:19 PM
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Want to attract guys looking for boyfriends? Don't have duck face selfies, or pictures of you showing off your ass in a tight skirt. Have pictures of you enjoying hobbies or with family/friends having fun. Lol yeah, how they approach this tells you a lot about their intelligence (or lack of it). Makes it easier to weed out the ones who aren't girlfriend material.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:46 PM
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On average, I think women do get slightly better men online, but mostly they'll stay alone or get repeatedly pumped & dumped because of their unrealistic standards. Or they finally give up and settle and then feel worse than if they had settled with the same man but without having had that online dating phase that inflated her expectations. In the end women lose (almost) just as much from maintaining their unrealistic standards as the men who get left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:38 PM
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why is a "problem" if there are more "incels"? You don't need to be a sociology/history professor to know that increasing the number of frustrated young men tends to be bad for societies, apart from it, you know, sucking donkey balls for those men themselves...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:29 PM
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Yeah, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:25 PM
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I agree with what other people have already said: the last thing we need is segregated schools creating more incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:25 PM
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Lol, Tinder in action, I suppose...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 04:23 PM
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What you wrote all sounds wonderful in theory. In practice though we've kinda built our society around the idea that it's perfectly reasonable to expect intimacy, sex, children and romantic love in your life. Between the lines it is a cornerstone of the social contract, where people have responsibilities next to their freedoms. Society would collapse if intimacy was reserved to an upper echelon of men, and deep down we all know it, so let's stop pretending otherwise. In addition, women get hurt …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:41 AM
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I think laws and judicial attitudes in most American jurisdictions are horribly outdated. If a man gets deunk and then gets seduced by a sober landwhale he wouldn't even look at while sober there's no way he could ever get her convicted for rape, while if the victim was a woman and the perp an ugly dude, she would have a chance, even if the ugly dude was just as drunk as she was at the time. That said, women who drive drunk do get prosecuted and convicted and I'm sure it is illegal to convince a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:28 AM
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It doesnt matter youll think everything over 120 is fat and everything under it is thin. women dont have heights, dummy I call BS on this. Men look at your figure, so the combination of your height and weight but since weight is entirely under your control this isn't a problem. Very few men want an underweight woman (in fact there are more men who specifically want a fat woman than there are women who specifically want a short man). If men like you more when you're 110lbs it means you must be qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:18 AM
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You literally wrote that lower standard would lead to women getting in relationships with men they were not attracted to. You also acted like asking women to be less shallow equals asking them to want short, fat ugly men with bad teeth. I mean what's the big deal with admitting that there's wiggle room between inflated online standards and genuine offline standards? Men DO have an objective point when they complain about women's standards online. That's not because women are evil, it's just that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:29 PM
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You must have bad body language/social skills then because lookswise it's easier IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:21 PM
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Most approaches are just the man looking for easy sex though. It's astonishing how long it takes many women to realize men will lower their standards for sex, and some never learn this lesson. A better measure of her "market value" would be to look at the quality of men who want a third date with her when there was no sex on the first two dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 10:39 PM
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You implied it in the OP. You said that women lowering their standards online would leave them in dead bedroom relationships. Truth is women can feel attracted to men they would dismiss online, if they meet them online. In addition, many women consistently report finding the same men more attractive in person than on their pictures online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 09:45 PM
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You implied it in the OP. You said that women lowering their standards online would leave them in dead bedroom relationships. Truth is women can feel attracted to men they would dismiss online, if they meet them online. In addition, many women consistently report finding the same men more attractive in person than on their pictures online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 09:29 PM
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You implied it in the OP. You said that women lowering their standards online would leave them in dead bedroom relationships. Truth is women can feel attracted to men they would dismiss online, if they meet them online. In addition, many women consistently report finding the same men more attractive in person than on their pictures online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 09:29 PM
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Brutal... you should write death metal lyrics...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:54 PM
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That is more a function of her background, basically what class her parents were in, not her own income. Her own income matters a little but the gains from that level off pretty quickly. Millionaire women aren't more attractive than women making the national average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:52 PM
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Yeah, those fat women arelike half of all women in America. There's plenty of fat men too but they'll be trying to use money to still get non-fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:44 PM
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Yeah, those fat women arelike half of all women in America. There's plenty of fat men too but they'll be trying to use money to still get non-fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:44 PM
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Kind of, yeah, though it depends on where you live. IMO girls get pumped full of fantasies that will only result in getting their heart broken and result in bad relationships/marriages. I also think women should do more to become what they want to attract, that should be standard dating advice for women. It's like a lot of women forget that toned, travelled, well-read, educated gentleman isn't going to be particularly interested in a woman who lacks those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:40 PM
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Women are much more shallow online than offline. If they'd use their offline standards online then online dating would actually work. If it was really true that women could only feel attracted to the men who slay online dating then most real world couples wouldn't be together, or only in the form of a business transaction. Sadly online has gone so mainstream that it's beginning to influence the offline market so it's becoming harder and harder to say "just ignore delusional online people, they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:23 PM
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NAWALT, though you have to do a lot of vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 08:15 PM
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And I think most of these women think a 6" is 7" because their exes exaggerated their sizes and/or they subconsciously ascribe positive traits to men they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 07:28 PM
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If online attraction were equal to offline attraction then most of us would die alone. OP clearly didn't do their homework.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 07:19 PM
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Yeah the preference for big dicks is the worst thing that porn is doing to people's minds I don't like this idea that porn turns men into detached fiends who can't enjoy sex with a "normal" woman anymore. I mean really, how is it any different from Red Pill ideas like the "alpha widow"? NAMALT!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 01:29 PM
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Most people here are American. Money is more important for dating in America than in (Southern) Europe and it's also more common for relatively normal jobs (like "programmer", or "middle manager") to pay over $100k in America. There's also more obesity in America so competition over normal/skinny women is more fierce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:26 AM
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I do think it makes young boys anxious they're not measuring up (pun intended). As for women... Apart from a small group of size queens I suspect women will believe that men they are attracted to are taller and have bigger dicks than what the number on the ruler would say. It's like a physical halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:04 AM
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MGTOW are men who have been hurt or got scared by stories. They're not "single at heart". I also have a sneaking suspicion that many "single at heart people" have regular, satisfying casual sex, that's not a realistic option for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 10:09 AM
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It's kinda true that men's attractiveness decreases more slowly. This has to do with fertility. Though there are some unlucky men who go bald early.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 10:06 AM
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Maybe, but dumpster diving is just not for me, and I hate seeing young boys get anxious over feeling they're not measuring up because of douches who lie about sleeping with hot girls all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 01:22 AM
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Yeah, exactly. Just keep weeding the bad ones out. If you're in college you'll meet so many girls that you can easily afford to be picky. But be sure to have a good social circle of male and female friends so you can start to recognize red flags early by observing different types of people.
/r/ExRedPill24/12/17 01:18 AM
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The way you described it, no, you'll never be an 8+. The "experts" are right that it's mostly about the face. The only possibility is that you're fat now and that losing weight will reveal cheek bones and a jawline you didn't know you had. Body is secondary* (as long as you're not scrawny or fat): face and height are always more important, but at least muscle and bodyfat are things you can control and they help a little (it's also healthy and will make you feel better which could increase your c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 01:02 AM
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OP, what helps me stay away from the red pill (I was never part of them, but I want to keep it that way) are the following things, maybe they'll help you too. 1) Red pill contains some core truths or touches on them (but with the wrong explanation), so you don't have to reject it 100% to be a decent person, just that thought can take some pressure of your shoulders. You do have to remain skeptical though, as with everything. Example: the 70% of married people cheat statistic is bullshit, it simp…
/r/ExRedPill23/12/17 11:53 PM
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Yes, but men who brag about sleeping with much younger girls all the time often exaggerate the girls' attractiveness levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 11:36 PM
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I think it's fairly simple: 1) most young women date, and pair off with, young men 2) few young women are available for older men to date, but there aren't many older men who haven't paired off yet either, because of point 1). There really is no conflict here, especially if the older man is above average looking. I regularly have younger women interested in me, but of course they're only a minority of all the younger women out there. Most women are not interested in most men, period, but relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 11:34 PM
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Yeah, your ex sounds a lot like me. I do draw the line at putting my family above my husband; but then, I consider him family, and my most important family. (Same for kids when we have them.) That's very wise. Like you said, sacrificing for family only becomes a problem when it's taken too far, so good thing you went into therapy :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 11:28 PM
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There is no such thing as alpha or beta. Yes there is, it's just more of a spectrum rather than absolutes and where you are on the spectrum depends on the setting. It doesn't apply to wolves much less to extremely sociologically and biologically complex creatures like humans. People who use these terms just sound ignorant. It DOES apply to the great apes (yes, even among bonobos a minority of males fathers a majority of the young, with lesser males resorting to trading food for sex to at least f…
/r/ExRedPill23/12/17 11:00 PM
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I think I could easily find myself in this situation. Family is my absolute highest priority, and if I can afford to help a relative in need, I'm going to do it, even if they're a piece of shit who doesn't "deserve" it. The idea of "cutting off" a family member is absolutely foreign to me; I don't think I could ever do it, and I'm alarmed at how flippantly some people talk about such things. For me it's the opposite. I was never close to my family and to me it seems weird that people feel oblige…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 10:10 PM
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Damn, that's harsh OP... I'm not ugly, short or autistic myself but I do feel bad for the guys that are in this day and age, because yes, fat girls are often pretty much their only option, especially in obese countries like the US and UK. I'm not saying every guy is entitled to his very own lingerie model, but if less people were fat then at least an ugly, but healthy weight guy could expect to get with an ugly, but healthy weight girl, instead of a girl who's both ugly AND fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 09:58 PM
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I kind of have a background similar to these women, but I'm a man, and I cut off my mom years ago exactly because I didn't want to keep sinking time, energy and resources into a lost cause. To this day people ask me if I feel guilty over that, but to be honest I'm not losing sleep over it because I know it was the right decision, even though it was a harsh one. I'm guessing that's a lot harder for most women since they generally seem to care more about close ties with their family members and ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 09:47 PM
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Yup, probably some militaristic regime that would pour 80% of its GDP into building those spaceships, and all the dudes would be fine with it, knowing the end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 09:36 PM
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All things equal, a career woman has a much better chance of getting the commitment of a high quality man than non career women Yes: upper class men place value on a pedigree and educated men value an employed, educated woman, but this does depend somewhat on local culture and political beliefs. American alt-right engineers or Asian conservative doctors are going to feel differently than European leftist scientists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 07:27 PM
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I agree with trumputin77 those guys probably went dumpster diving, just like most men with many partners. Short men don't have fewer partners, they do have crazier/fatter/uglier partners, on average simply because shorter men are less attractive to women, on average, just like men with less-than-handsome faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 06:36 PM
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Is being short for men comparable to what is being chubby for women in regard of negative impact on one's SMV? I'd say for SMV it's worse being a short man, but for RMV it would be similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 06:23 PM
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I agree with OP that hypergamy as it is traditionally understood is diminishing in rich countries. My additions would be that a) the US is an outlier in this regard (I think this explains many of the dissenting comments in this thread from American men who see women around them still going after muscular meatheads, or golddigging rich men) because life is harsher/more competitive and it's income inequality greater than in most other rich countries, and b) there is still a different form of hyper…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 06:13 PM
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Might as well tell people to go see a priest or a shaman who can cure people using beads and rattles. It is a lot like that, but guess what, those things often work, just like therapy, because often all it takes is a sense of acknowledgment/acceptance from someone in a position of authority, and the belief that the person offering to help you knows the secret to curing you. A therapist is just a lot more expensive than a priest or a shaman... P.S. American culture does seem to suffer from some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 06:01 PM
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Is sex the primary motivator behind self-improvement? Ultimately, yes. Although of course people could still chase creature comforts, good food, fun, etc... if they knew for sure they'd never get to have sex or raise children again. On top of that, if you've spent, say, the first 30 years of your life believing you could have sex or raise children someday then that is going to condition with habits and values that won't just go away after you found out you'll never have sex or raise children aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 05:49 PM
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