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The effects of parental height differences in humans is documented too
/r/BlackPillScience11/04/25 12:16 AM
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This is because if a larger man and a smaller woman have a baby, the baby could be larger like the dad causing issues inside the smaller mom who doesn’t have enough space. It is analogous to a male Great Dane impregnating a female chihuahua, there will probably be issues.
/r/BlackPillScience10/04/25 06:19 PM
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Even in the Torah it says women should submit to their husband. Do you agree with that or is the Torah misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:57 AM
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Have you had sex before marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:56 AM
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Well said woman
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:53 AM
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Found the pickme
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:44 AM
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Stop whining Karen nothing is gonna happen she’ll be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:42 AM
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Body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:41 AM
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Have you had sex before marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:40 AM
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If the tranny is one of those attractive cis passing ones like those on porn sites I would like to try to sleep with one once just to see what it’s like but I would never date one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:37 AM
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The marketplace deems them less desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:33 AM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:22 AM
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Periodt.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:21 AM
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Have you ever hooked up with a “loser” you would never be attracted to if sober?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:05 AM
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Exactly, unless you are coming as a beta provider
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:04 AM
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I feel bad for your boyfriend, according to your other comments he is not 6 ft
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:03 AM
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Sounds like good publicity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:59 AM
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Facts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:53 AM
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This is just the manifestation of hypergamy. 80/20 rule. Bottom 80% of undesirable men is the crux of the male romantic loneliness crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:51 AM
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Plenty of grown men think the same. PBD is a father of four and he’s a supporter
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:19 PM
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I miss when this sun was actually good
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:52 PM
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I literally said the same thing not too long ago. If a male Walmart worker and a male billionaire got together they can both look at a given woman rate a woman on a 1-10 scale and their ratings would be pretty close, maybe a point or two off. Take Lizzo for example, the overwhelming majority of men (9/10 men) would rate her as unnatractive. Now take Selma Hayek, 9/10 men would rate her as above average attractiveness. Now if a female billionaire and a female Walmart had to rate the regional Walm…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:46 PM
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Both to varying extent. See we will have to agree to disagree here. If we can’t define what’s degrading then if women feel degraded by male attention like in the OP then we men can disagree and say we feel like it’s not degrading. It’s a never ending argument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 04:56 PM
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Yeah he does. OP’s point is that women think that male sexuality is inheritantly degrading. So if there is no objective definition of degrading, it is just up to how you feel, then everything can be degrading
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 04:47 PM
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Being degraded has nothing to do with consent or feeling safe. That is irrelevant. Degradation is inherent to the sex act. You can consent or feel safe around a degrading act
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 04:29 PM
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Lol you just added the edit “Some cultures are better than others” to your last comment after I destroyed your argument. But yeah you pointed a finger at Islam not knowing you pointed 4 fingers back at orthodox Christianity
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 12:20 AM
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No they fantasize about killing not dying. Dying is for losers. I don’t play video games but speaking for men men do have violent nature, many do want to kill when it is justified but obviously violence is under state control so men generally don’t kill people because of legal consequences. If there was no laws you would see a lot more men killing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 10:27 PM
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Men play video games to be violent against other players, the goal is not to have others inflict violence on themselves 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:37 PM
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Spanking is not inherently degrading. There are many people who enjoy it and ask for it. This is exactly what I’m getting at, just because you like it doesn’t mean it’s not degrading. Women often like to be degrading. If it is so enjoyable, why do you think women often like to be spanked but not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:35 PM
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Those are strawman arguments. Plenty of Christians societies killed heretics and married young girls. Take Galileo and endless amounts of orthodox Christians. I come from an Ethiopian orthodox family and both of my grandparents married preteens. You are just have anti Islam bias
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:28 PM
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This is an insane strawman, I don’t even have a response
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:24 PM
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To your first point, not a lot of guys are rapey. It’s just a small minority of guys who go around commit most of rapey the rapey behavior. I’m trying to tell you how much you like something has nothing to do if it is degrading. For example spitting or spanking someone during sex is inheritantly degrading, no matter how much you like or dislike it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:59 AM
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Those are borderline illegal acts. I think you are confusing things you like doing = not degrading and things you don’t like doing = degrading. This is not the actual definition though. It is possible to like to do things that are degrading, which is my argument that women frequently do like to do degrading things
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:31 AM
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So what is degrading for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:09 AM
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No, because I don’t like to be degraded. Good for you, but you are doing a lot of mental gymnastics. You left out being beat, just being tied up isn’t really degrading
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:15 AM
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BDSM is degrading to the person being dominated, make no bone about it. If people wanna do it idc it’s fine but to act like tying up someone and beating them is not degrading is delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:16 AM
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Interesting you suggest that male sexuality is “tying up women and beating them”— is that what you think male sexuality is? No, this is a type of sexuality desired by a number of BOTH men and women Anyways, nothing I have heard about this book suggests he ever “beat her up”, so what are you talking about? BDSM The book presents the main dude as extremely hot and the sex as something the main chick enjoys a whole lot. Yes she enjoyed the degrading sex acts. That is my whole point. Why do you beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:29 PM
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The sex acts in the book are thought to be degrading to women. Tying up women and beating them up isn’t degrading to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:14 PM
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I agree I don’t believe in god/religion. I’m just saying the rules and ethos of Islam is very logica
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:13 PM
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I’m not Muslim either but facts are facts they are the most logical religion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:03 PM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:56 PM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:56 PM
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Islam is right about almost everything tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:54 PM
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Agreed. Feminism is nonsense It is impractical, feminism is impossible because of biological realities. Women don’t really want to be equal to men. It usually just leads to giving women extra rights and a game of double standards that arbitrarily benefit women whenever convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:51 PM
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“Women are sex objects, men are success objects.” The same can be said for women’s attraction to men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:48 PM
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A lot of women like 50 shades of grey
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:47 PM
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Women will spend an hour getting ready before going out, checking themselves in the mirror every 20 minutes, and wearing sexually provacative clothing then will be confused why men approach them interested in their appearance 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:38 AM
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Mostly women and gynocentrists in this sub, not surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:16 AM
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Two X chromosome subreddit. Most women do. I’ve never had a woman ask me to stop spanking her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 10:29 PM
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I didn’t say all. I generalized. There’s a reason why 50 shades of grey is the #1 most selling romance book of all time, even outselling the Bible the year it came out. Women (generalizing) love it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 10:28 PM
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The person doing the penetrating is always the dominant one What do you mean by rape, as in by legal definition or textbook definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:18 PM
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Usually the dominant one penetratinf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:07 PM
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Because they are exerting their will over the person who is taking the penetration
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:36 PM
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Women themselves say they want HVM. Just watch one of the Kevin Samuels call in shows
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:35 PM
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That’s different. Reading a book and listening to audio are mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:34 PM
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Women are just not being honest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 12:46 PM
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I don’t have a complaint. You are the one with the original complaint. You assumed that the woman said no before she gave out the fake number
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 12:39 PM
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I never said women have to. Women can kindly reject men they are not interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:44 AM
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Who hurt you? Should we dismiss metoo because there are some liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:30 AM
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Cold approaching can work but it requires a high degree of social awareness and social skills. That girl you described obviously did not want to be approached by that dude on the tram. A good cold approached would not approached a woman with disinterested body language. Also men who cold approach tend to be unattractive, because more desirable men don’t need to resort to such aggressive means, so there is some selection bias in the success of cold approachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:24 AM
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Brain dead take. Women give out fake numbers without even saying no
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:57 AM
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Men don’t need to talk to a woman to be attracted to her. That’s not how male attraction works
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:54 AM
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All those statistics from a guy who never cold approached?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:42 AM
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Where is this video of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:40 AM
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False. Women who are rude to men have a higher likelihood of retaliation from the man. It’s just increases the danger
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:38 AM
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Men are direct communicators, your suggestion was some covert female communication style that is not intuitive to men. And frankly most of us don’t share women’s hobbies anyways. The only hobby we tend to have in common is having segs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:26 AM
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How is a stranger who can only see you supposed to know who you are as person? They can only see what you look like
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:22 AM
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Except if it was by Henry cavil or some other HVM
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:53 AM
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So if you need assistance you will never ask a stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:53 AM
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Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:49 AM
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How could you be reading a book while listening to something with headphones 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:44 AM
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The person penetrating is the dominant one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:44 AM
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Those KS call in shows were live and available to the public. It is very much real. The average woman making average money, $50k/yr, does NOT want another man making $50k/yr. Let me ask you this. What percentage of women do you think want a man earning 6 figures? Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, what matters is the empirical evidence. Male infidelity is totally irrelevant to female hypergamy. Women nor men are more innocent to each other. The evidence of women wanting to marry higher earni…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:58 PM
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I didn’t say it applied to your specific example, I am just saying in general
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:14 PM
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I already fully understand the difference the difference between hypergamy and sexual dimorphism. BOTH of them drive women’s mating preferences. I agree if the most beautiful woman in the world marries the richest man in the world, they have equal mate value (because they are both 10’s), but it is indeed hypergamy. Also the man is still dominant over the woman. However what I said, and what I’ve been telling you now for so long is that women typically WANT men of higher value. Just watch ONE Kev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:42 AM
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If a woman wants a 6 figure earning man but cannot get one so she gets with a man making less than 6 figures, that is settling
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:58 AM
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I said women WANT to mate up, because of their hypergamous instinct. However because there is not enough eligible men at the top to satisfy all women’s hypergamous standards, most women will have to settle for a man of their equal for a long term relationship. It is a simple supply and demand problem. There is not enough men who make 6 figures for every woman who wants one. The evidence of women wanting to marry higher earning men is overwhelming. “Better-Educated Women Still Prefer Higher-Earni…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:27 AM
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You want a man who makes the same or preferably more money than you. Textbook hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:02 AM
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50 shades of grey is not domination? Keep in mind this is the most selling female romance book/movie of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:01 AM
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It was to give an example that men would rather take a more attractive woman than a higher socioeconomic status woman. Look at the end of the day men are not women. We do not value womens money and success and intelligence as much as women do. That’s the bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:35 AM
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I agree. There is a difference between what women want and what the market will give women. What I said is that women WANT to mate up, because of their innate hypergamy. But the fact is that there is not eligible men to meet all these hypergamous women’s criteria. Only 15% of men make 6 figures therefore only 15% of women can marry a 6 figure earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:23 AM
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High value is short for high mate value. Ones mate value in the mating marketplace has nothing to do with those above traits. Because if a guy was short, ugly, broke, and low status, but had all those above traits most women wouldn’t want him. Men like Donald trump and Jay z have high mate value no matter your opinion. More women desire them than McDonald’s workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:20 AM
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Obviously but did they contribute the same amount of value into the marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:09 AM
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Women not wanting to mate down financially is red pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:08 AM
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If your man likes to have sex with girls, will you also find that attractive to watch him do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:02 PM
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That is very unusual, you have to admit. What do you like about seeing your man getting railed by a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:58 PM
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Omg you can’t be serious 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:53 PM
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Most men would have no problem with a woman sleeping with another woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:50 PM
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Your husbands let’s you sleep with other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:49 PM
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This is the best answer here. Women will say one thing but do another. Women have mostly commented that they would be more hurt by a man cheating with another women, but we know in real life a man cheating with another man would be more likely to end the relationship. Most women in the comments are just insecure over another woman being more attractive Here are some supporting statistics of women’s disgust for male homosexuality: only 19 percent of women would date a bisexual man (even thought 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:45 PM
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You want your man to be dominant though right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:44 PM
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You don’t mind your husband getting penetrated in the butt and getting on his knees to suck other men’s ducks? Wouldn’t that make you have trouble perceiving him as dominant so you can’t respect him?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:29 PM
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What if he was the submissive who was taking it up the butt and on he’s knees giving another man a blowjob. I imagine it would be hard for a woman to respect and submit to a man after this. In this case do you think it would be worse if he cheated with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:27 PM
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Ok your anecdotes don’t change general statements. Most men would take an Instagram model with wide curvy hips and big breasts over some average looking broad in a law firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:26 PM
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Would you be open to MMF threesomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:21 PM
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This is a logical take. However what about the implications of him being gay? Like let’s take it one step further and let’s say he was the submissive who was taking it up the butt and on he’s knees giving another man a blowjob. I imagine it would be hard for a woman to respect and submit to a man after this. In this case do you think it would be worse if he cheated with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:20 PM
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If he is high mate value enough I doubt you would end it without exceptions. “Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:14 PM
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Mate choice copying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:13 PM
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Proven false is different from can’t be proven to be false. There is a lot of grey area so we will never get precise statistics on this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:12 PM
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It’s not shallow is just proves red pill. Women will dump men for not making enough money but men don’t dump women for not making enough money
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:09 PM
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Women want generally want ambitious men regardless if they are ambitious or not. Textbook red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:08 PM
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Women support men all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:04 PM
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Yes women want ambitious men. Men tend not to care about women’s ambition. Textbook red pill philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:04 PM
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Red pill emphasizes female hypergamy and male hypogamy. Women want to mate up, men consequently mate down. This fits red pill philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:03 PM
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You are misrepresenting mens arguments. When men say “choose better” it’s in the context of a woman choosing to be with a guy who has high SMV, but is obviously not good relationship partner or father. He might be abusive, narcissistic, dark triad, negligent, cheater, etc but women tend to overlook these things because he is attractive ie has high SMV. When men say “guys aren’t even given a chance” we are talking about the opposite, the chart attached is a good visual representation of this. Guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:00 PM
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This is a debate sub. I didn’t even specifically give advice to anyone. I just said it was advisable pure women should reveal their purity because it was relevant to the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:29 PM
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Read the comment I was replying to. Someone else said “tight woman” and I just quoted them because it was relevant to the discussion. Women don’t date women but they still give men dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:25 PM
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I am giving my insight as a man. Women don’t date other women but they still give men dating advice
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:24 PM
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Like I said I am not one to fetishize pure women. So it’s definitely not “you all” it’s just some of these guys that some of these pure women run into. The end all be all for men shouldn’t be their money/status/height/etc but it seems that’s how most women evaluate men. Ultimately it’s just men and women’s preferences If you lump yourself in with the typical permiscuous girl then men won’t take you as serious for a relationship. I’m just telling you, you can do what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:19 PM
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You are totally misunderstanding the context. When men refer to the 6’2 Chad, it is in the context of him being desired by most women so he is most likely a player of some sorts, just because men usually don’t turn down sexual available opportunities. On the other hand in the context of the 5’7 average to below average guy doesn’t have much women interested him so naturally he is in a more scarcity mindset when it comes to women, so these guys tend to be loyal, nice guys, and commit easily just …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:16 PM
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You don’t get to determine what men value in women. Whatever men want in women is their preference. That is like me telling women not to value men based on their money/status/height/etc. Braindead take.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:10 PM
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My point is because it’s not because of testosterone. It’s because of the innate male sexual strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:09 PM
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Ok so you are proving my point. Most women don’t do it in real life because all of the prep work required, not cuz they don’t get turned on by male domination and female submission
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:08 PM
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You are changing to the topic, self confidence is different than being confident in a skill, like learning. One can be a confident learner but still have low self confidence that women detect. Confidence is built from external factors like past experience . The reason why Steph curry is confident shooting 3 pointers is because historically he’s like 66% from the 3 point line. Someone like Shaq won’t be confident shooting 3s cuz he knows he sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:19 PM
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I didn’t say drive a plane I said fly a plane. They have basically nothing in common
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:57 PM
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I’m not A virgin but can you answer my question, I answered yours
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:18 AM
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They will gaslight for the same reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:03 AM
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Women are not a monolith I bet to differ. Women’s mating preferences are very similar. Women are hypergamous, they prefer men who are more dominant and higher mate value. This includes economically, socially, physically, and mentally. Women’s mating preferences are universal patterns supported by decades of research. It’s not that super nuanced. loyal and funny These are secondary traits. Though they are valued, they are contingent on baseline attractiveness and status. Li et al. (2002) conducte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:56 AM
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women are attracted to achievement, regardless of their own achievement. men are attracted to big knockers, regardless of the size of their own peckers. you gotta shoot your shoot and maximize your potential. and if you’re a young and attractive woman, you’ve got a lot of potential. Agreed. But even for young and attractive women, there are more of them than there are the high value men that meet their hypergamous standards. I shared with you the statistics, there only a very low single digit pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:08 AM
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It’s not men define women’s sexual preferences, it’s simply assessing the sexual behavior of women. Most of the best selling sexual content bought by women revolves around male domination and 50 shades of grey. That is the empirical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:46 AM
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I don’t have a wife but women are innately hypergamous so they generally don’t marry lower earning men. Do you think Jeff bezos and McKenzie bezos brought the same amount of value to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:51 PM
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There are legitimate reasons why many women don’t publicly admit they their sexual preferences. For one it goes against social norms, we live in a egalitarian society so women are expected to be equals. Women wanting to be submissive and be dominated directly undermines this. Some men have loose lips and will tell other people what they’ve done in bed. Some women also struggle with feelings of shame, guilt, and embarrassment with their innate sexual desires and doesn’t wanna be judged. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:32 PM
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See you don’t understand my point. What I’m saying even without testosterone, men still desire more mates. Transgender women and biological women have the same level of testosterone but the trans women have more of a desire to mate with more mates
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:23 PM
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Lmao if the woman makes less money you think her having equal say in how the money is spent is equality? Sounds like the woman has extra power to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:11 PM
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Most men who watch sports have a history of playing sports. You are only proving my point. It’s not that everybody who watches something wants to do it, it’s that people who do watch something are much more likely to want to do it in real life. In my experience no woman has ever asked me to stop spanking her. You can try to cope but in real life women have common preferences and one includes to be submissive and dominated to some degree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:06 PM
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Ok perfect. We agree that women preferring comparatively tall men is rooted in women’s psychology. Great. Now women inherited the genetics for women’s brain from their ancestors, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:14 AM
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You are doing a lot of mental gymnastics. I said women consistently prefer men TALLER THAN THEM. You keep trying to misconstrue this. The average country height is irrelevant because a 5’ woman would prefer be with a 5’5 man just like how a 6’ woman would prefer to be with a 6’5 man. We agreed that almost all woman have a preference for comparatively taller men. Even you do yourself. You cite it’s because women tend to want to feel small, girly, etc. Do you cede that women’s near universal prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:31 AM
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Men sexually prefer young women because they are more fertile and attractive so it should be legal to have sex with young adult women. It is like if we banned women from having sex with men who are 6’ tall
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:25 AM
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You are still displaying hyper hypergamy. According to Pew research “Today, 47% of U.S. women ages 25 to 34 have a bachelor’s degree” (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/18/us-women-are-outpacing-men-in-college-completion-including-in-every-major-racial-and-ethnic-group/) so basically that only cuts the “young and attractive” group in half. Even then there is still way more young attractive women with a bachelor degree than. But like you mentioned then whole premise is messed up bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:05 AM
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I literally said all that, it is a very consistent PREFERENCE (not the end all be all) that women have to want a man who is taller than them. I will get to the red pill point in a bit, but right now do you cede that women’s preference for comparatively tallermy men (for all those factors you described) is ROOTED in biology? Btw the male beauty standard you mentioned is downstream from women’s mating preferences. Because women prefer taller men, the beauty standard for men is taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:25 PM
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And we want equality in the ability to make adult decisions Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:09 PM
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Everyone complains, but more woman are abandoning the dating market and having FWB situations instead of relationships by choice after being unable to secure ‘high value males’. The thing about settling seems very untrue, anedctotally speaking ofc. I totally disagree with this. Women do not want to have casual sex for life. Women’s reproductive strategy is more geared for long term mating with a mate who will invest. Women usually get tired of casual sex pretty fast and want relationships after …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:58 PM
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It’s because it’s the male beauty standard? They are tall and strong. Also because I like being smaller than my man it makes me feel like a lady. It’s silly girlish reasons honestly. I can wear heels and feel dainty and small. I can hug him and it feels like I am a baby. I understand all this. But these preferences women have like wanting to be small and feminine are rooted in biology aren’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:51 PM
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Hypergamy has always existed, it didn’t just get revealed. The only way it was hidden was if some societies heavily regulated mating like societies that do arranged marriages. I would argue that women still complain about dating, but the complaints are based on women not being able to secure the high mate value men at the top (because that small proportion of men is being desired by a larger proportion of women due to excessive hypergamy)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:12 PM
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You are trying to play word games here so let me be more precise. Is women’s’ overwhelming preference for wanting a taller man that is taller than them rooted in biology? Secondly, why can’t you be attracted to a man who is 5’3?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:09 PM
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SOME men say that. But MOST men get weak for women so they let them in. Please explain to me why Boy Scouts allows girls but girls scouts does not allow boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:08 PM
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Who do you think were in those “gentlemen’s clubs” lol. And sure to some degree I’m sure men just went to talk but not to an even close degree women do
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:06 PM
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There was always whores at least
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:02 PM
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Preach brother
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:01 PM
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Yeah those are places men gather to hit on women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:58 PM
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They target porn for misandrist reasons, often having double standards. For instance there are male domination kink subs and they say “oh men are bad” but women gobble up books like 50 shades of grey. It’s well known in real life bdsm is more popular with women than men. They are against porn in general but they think romance books and eroticas for women are fine, even though they contain sex scenes and are sexually gratifying to womens innate sexual desires. They tell men to read a erotica inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:49 PM
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Totally with you brother
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:03 AM
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A man who is 6’ tall and makes 6 figures according to the US census beauro (https://igotstandardsbro.com/results?minAge=18&maxAge=50&excludeMarried=true&race=0&minHeight=182.88&excludeObese=false&minIncome=100000) is less than 1% of single men between ages 18-50 meet that criteria. There’s not enough eligible men for all these women’s hypergamous standards. The consequence for is that these women will get frustrated because unbeknownst to them there will be large proportions of women interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:59 AM
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That’s not a problem what I’m saying is that can’t be the main event. Men are DOERS. We don’t like to sit around just to chit chat
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:49 AM
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I think it’s common sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:07 AM
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If women’s preference for taller men is not biological, then why do women overwhelmingly prefer men who are taller? The strength of the evidence is so overwhelming, and it’s from women from all continents, you can easily deduce that the preference is innate to women most female respondents (96%) preferred to date men taller than them https://typeset.io/pdf/exigencia-de-altura-un-estudio-sociologico-sobre-las-15jq9wivmi.pdf positively correlated with reproductive success (Sear, 2010; Conroy-Beam …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:49 AM
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Feminism is about let women CHOOSE what they want. If women want to be dominated, as a feminist you must respect her choice and not judge her for it. The innate male sexual strategy is science. So you are grossed out by men’s scientific nature. It has nothing to do with red pill. I just googled “what is the male sexual strategy” and this is what popped up first thing in the ai overview “A “male sexual strategy,” according to evolutionary psychology, typically refers to a reproductive strategy fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:36 AM
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That is quite misogynistic of you to say. Women can be attracted to whoever they want. In fact most women like sexual domination. The best selling romance book of all time was 50 shades of grey, it contained lots of bad boy behavior. And red pill men try to attract women in general, most don’t care about the quality tbh. The male sexual strategy is optimized for quantity over quality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:03 AM
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That’s because those women have to settle when they get older because there is not enough men at the top for every woman who wants one. There is not enough 6’ tall men for every woman who wants one. There is not enough 6 figure earning men for every woman who wants one. Therefore if they want a monogamous marriage women must lower their hypergamous standards and settle
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:59 AM
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“Humans need to love and be loved – both sexually and non-sexually – by others according to Maslow.[1]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:53 AM
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Same with men. We don’t think all women are bad. Also it is possible to be attracted to people, even if they are no good. For example some women like bad boys
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:36 AM
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Have you every complained about a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:31 AM
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Humanists don’t believe in god
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:29 AM
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No that is a lazy characterization. There’s a common quote we say in red pill “understand women for who they are, so you don’t hate them for who they’re not”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:24 AM
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I said red pill is BASED on science, meaning red pill philosophies use scientific ideas to come up with red pill ideas. You don’t think highly of evo psych, fair enough. Let me ask you this. Do you think the women of our evolutionary past preferred to mate with men who were taller and had more resources? Or do you think they were equally attracted to men who were short and had little to no resources?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:20 AM
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Why do you dislike redpill? It’s mostly based on science anyways. Our evolution shaped our current biology, this is mostly what red pill is based on
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:12 AM
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Red pill at its core is just biology. Literally science. Now some individuals may misrepresent things or use it for nefarious purposes, but red pill at its core is science based
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:04 AM
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Do you seethe red pill women like you do male red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:02 AM
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You just ignored what I said. Male friendship exist but they are based on pragmatism and purpose. I don’t have a source I am just speaking as a man, other men can chime in
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:01 AM
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Objectively most men are alright, they’re not the ones of food stamps and government assistance. Most have shelters, cars, utilities, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:48 AM
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Sure that happens at times but they probably don’t hang out JUST to sit and talk in a room. They were probably gonna go do something or coming back
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:38 AM
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Music events and sports is literally DOING activities. Thanks for proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:32 AM
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Female hypergamy is a real thing, stop trying to ignore it. The average woman does not want the average man. If a woman makes $50k/yr she probably does not want another man of equal attractiveness making $50k/yr. All these women out here who say they want a man who is 6’ tall and makes 6 figures all the while they are not that tall, rich, or attractive , and here you are trying to turn a blind eye. Hypergamy is REAL. Btw I went to work and the gym today, now I’m “complaining” online. See we men …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:31 AM
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Your title is false. “Just be nice” is not just told to little boys. It is likewise told to grown men and that is horrible advice because niceness has nothing to do with how attractive women find men. Women find assholes attractive all the time because attractiveness and niceness are not related.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:25 AM
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I guarantee they are DOING things together, like playing games, chasing girls, gambling, etc. Grown don’t get together purely to talk while sipping tea
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:20 AM
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You can do both, self-improve AND complain. Also that wouldn’t solve the society-wide female hypergamy problem because if every guy did as much self improvement as possible. There will still be that asymmetric distribution of male attractiveness because women are driven to mate up, selecting for higher value men, meaning there will always be a pool of lonely men at the bottom <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:18 AM
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I don’t think you get my point. For every man who enters the top 20%, it will require a man who was previously in the top 20% to get kicked out. Meaning if every guy worked as hard as he could, there would still be female hypergamy selecting for the top 20%. So this issue cannot be solved by mental blocks, it is a persistent problem with no end in sight
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:13 AM
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Red pill helps men get laid. What about red pill women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:02 AM
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So you are a red flag?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:00 AM
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Why do you debate red pillers if you are so against them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:00 AM
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It’s not the lack of support that is causing suicide, it’s the lack of motivation/success. I’m not saying men don’t want platonic friends at all, I’m just saying it’s not as important to them. Most men don’t cry about that. In fact if you look at most of the women’s subreddits, most are exclusively for women meaning they will ban men. However most men’s subreddits do not ban women. Men don’t seem to care as much as women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:59 PM
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Yeah that’s a sexual marketplace value problem. Not every man can be in the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:56 PM
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<image> Because feminism amplifies female hypergamy. Women are innately hypergamous, meaning they are driven to mate up in mate value. Before feminism, this wasnt much a problem because men generally had more money and status than women, so the mating marketplace was balanced. Now with feminism, it elevates the socioeconomic status of women to where they about equal with men, so due to women’s hypergamous nature the average woman won’t be attracted to the average man, since they are equal status…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:55 PM
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I don’t agree because the average transgender woman are almost always more permiscuous than the cisgender woman. There are mental proclivities hardwired into biological males brain that give them those instincts, but testosterone does play a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:37 PM
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That’s what you think but that’s not what men want. Men want to be successful, high status, and have sexual access to attractive women. Platonic friendship is just not as important to most men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:34 PM
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You think most 40 year old electricians are still in the victim mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:33 PM
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Why are you trying to police womens sexual preferences? Most of them like to be dominated. Fifty shades of grey was the highest selling book the year it came out, sold more books than the Bible. Women gobbled that shit up because most women get turned on by being dominated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:32 PM
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I see what you’re saying but that means most men are facing problems in the sexual marketplace, not just mental blocks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:26 PM
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Humans are wired for heterosexuality. Feminism won’t really change that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:24 PM
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Mens’ platonic relationships are based on pragmatism first and foremost. Grown men don’t hang out just for the sake of it, they did it because that was something that was necesssry for their work. See women will literally talk just for the sake of talking and connecting. Women invite each other out to the coffeeshop or to their houses just to sit and talk/gossip about their lives. Men never do this, men only hang out if there is some activity to be done. And nowadays due to modern technology, me…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:23 PM
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The reverse is also true. If someone is ugly (keep in mind according to the OkCupid study 80% of women rated men unattractive) then they will perceive their personality to be worse than it really is. It is the negative halo effect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:18 PM
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Female dating strategy and any sprinkle sprinkle is an automatic red flag. Banfemalehate and any female who posts any pornographic photos are red flags as well. All the ask women and vindica and X subs are yellow flags
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:16 PM
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You literally participate in this debate sub
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:13 PM
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But you participate in this manosphere subreddit (probably because you know there’s a degree of truth to the red pill)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:11 PM
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But you participate in this manosphere subreddit (probably because you know there’s a degree of truth to the red pill)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:08 PM
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Connection and relationships aren’t as important to men as it is for women, do to biological differences. Evolutionary females, because they are the weaker sex, were more reliant on relationships with other people for protection. That’s why women care more about social approval than men. I think men are affected by the the loneliness crisis more from being romantically lonely rather than being platonically lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:05 PM
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Well duh people who live online don’t do much offline. There are people doing things in the real world, they just don’t stay online
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:01 PM
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You just made the case of why feminism is not sustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:00 PM
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Would you be happy if you went your whole life without sexual intamcy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:28 PM
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Ok I’m not gonna argue with someone being this intellectually dishonest. Idk why you’re even here
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:24 PM
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Maslow heirarchy of needs is evidence. Otherwise it is self evident, if you are going to argue that people can be happy being a virgin for life you are just not being intellectually honest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:23 PM
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Nope. The scientific consensus explicitly says a zygote IS a live human “ the scientific evidence indicates that the zygote, from its earliest stages of development, is an alive human organism.” https://scholarspace.jccc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1088&context=honors_journal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:20 PM
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No person will be fulfilled if they die a virgin. And no Maslow heirarchy of needs is not about reproduction, it’s about self actualization
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:17 PM
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Read the post. The word “need” depends on the objective, it doesn’t automatically mean need for survival. If I say you need wheels to drive a car, that need has nothing to do with survival. In this context to have sexual intimacy, which is apart of the Maslow heirarchy of needs, you need to have a mate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:10 PM
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It’s distinct from all the other women’s cells because the zygote is a separate human life because it has unique DNA Tapeworms and bacteria are not humans, that’s the difference. Human life is more important that’s why we we care more about a human dying than a bacteria dying
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:08 PM
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You don’t need clothes? So you’ll go outside naked? And sure nobody needs to mate to survive, but people do need mates if they want to have sexual intamcy. There was actually a good post on this yesterday https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/kKX4rR1tqG
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:06 PM
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Doesn’t matter how you see it. Everybody is a POTENTIAL mate option. I would never buy clothes from Walmart but if all the better stores closed then I would buy clothes from Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:03 PM
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Uhhh, hair is composed of dead cells of alpha-keratin protein. It is the exact opposite of living tissue. Fair enough. A gamete is alive just like saliva is alive. Better example Conception brings about a new cell, zygote, and that’s it. There is nothing ontologically different in a zygote in comparison to any other living cell within a woman’s organism. Yes and that zygote is a new distinct life. It is distinct from every other living cell in within a woman’s organism because the zygote has a u…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:00 PM
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Even in real life women frequently say they want a man earning 6 figures and is 6’ tall. Don’t gaslight. And on PPD we debate the marketplace in genera, of course not everybody is the exact same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:53 PM
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Yes but you don’t understand the difference between something being alive and something being a distinct life. A gamete is living tissue, no different than a strand of hair. Conception brings a new distinct life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:52 PM
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Don’t you think you have lower standards than most women? Because the fact of the matter is that the average man has little to no success on dating apps. There is what’s been called a mating because most women don’t want most men. Like I said on occupied women rated 80% of men as unattractive. Women keep saying they want a man with 6 6’s including 6’ tall and 6 figure earning which is like 2-3% of the population. Female hypergamy is a real thing it has been studied extensively. https://preview.r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:46 PM
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Pro life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:34 PM
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The scientific consensus is that life begins at conception “Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human’s life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view.“ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36629778/#:~:text=Biologists%20from%201%2C058%20academic%20institutions,5577)%20affirmed%20the%20fertilization%20view.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:34 PM
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This is silly. There is a presumption that people in porn aren’t abused because that is illegal in the US and we have strong law enforcement. You know the iPhone you are typing on is made by Chinese sweatshop workers that need nets outside the factory to stop people from jumping off right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:31 PM
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You are strawmaning. Female hypergamy includes the fact that women are driven to mate with men who are more dominant. So if a man cries, it implies he’s weak and she’s not mating up. Same reason why women generally don’t want to mate with shorter men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:25 PM
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Very well said man. To women hypergamy is “normal”, they can’t imagine being attracted to a man who isn’t more dominant, can’t provide security, makes less money, is shorter in height, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:23 PM
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Well assuming you guys would enjoy the same standards of living, he would need to make about as much as you to “afford half of his shared expenses”. A man making minimum wage cannot pay half the bills with a woman making $100k/yr at her lifestyle. So approximately how much do you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:00 PM
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Ok so it’s fair to say you wouldn’t date a man who makes less than you? How much do you make ballpark? And you wouldn’t mind dating a man who is 5’5?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:49 PM
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Ok what are you height and income preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:45 PM
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Oh no don’t get me wrong, even in real life most women find most men unattractive. Women are still hypergamous offline
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:39 PM
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Ok I just don’t think it’s relevant but whatever. Also men’s instinct for multiple women goes deeper than having more testosterone so I don’t even think your correct. Men’s reproductive system is built to impregnate multiple women. Men produce billions of sperm every day. Even men with low T want multiple women. Look at Trump, Hugh Hefner, Jerry Jones, etc. Men in their 80’s have much less testosterone but they still show preference to multiple women. When I was fully pre pubescent at one point …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:37 PM
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I don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:29 PM
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there are certainly some men who are more desirable than others and have an easier time dating. why wouldn’t a woman aim to get the best mate she can, especially when her investment in reproduction is so asymmetrically high? and if she can’t attract a mate that fits her standards, then yes she is probably overselling her own attributes, and either needs to better herself, re-adjust her standards or accept being single. You are in a way proving my point. Excessive female hypergamy leads to women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:28 PM
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there are certainly some men who are more desirable than others and have an easier time dating. why wouldn’t a woman aim to get the best mate she can, especially when her investment in reproduction is so asymmetrically high? and if she can’t attract a mate that fits her standards, then yes she is probably overselling her own attributes, and either needs to better herself, re-adjust her standards or accept being single. You are in a way proving my point. Excessive female hypergamy leads to women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:27 PM
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You are trying to separate men from their sex drive though. It can’t work that way. That’s like saying “if the sun didn’t exist then we wouldn’t be watch the sunset” like no, that’s not even applicable because if the sun didn’t exist we wouldn’t have life on earth in the first place so we wouldn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:06 PM
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Ok so again, you are the exception to the rule. Most women do online dating, it is by far the most common ways couples meet today <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:03 PM
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How does one debunk statistics 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:59 PM
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Hypergamy refers to women mating up in mate value, but most commonly people refer to socioeconomic status because that is the biggest factor of a man’s mate value in contemporary society. A 5/10 looks woman wanting to date a 8/10 looks man is hypergamy. A 5’ woman wanting to date a 6’ man is hypergamy. A woman driving a Toyota wanting to date a man driving a Lexus is hypergamy. Hypergamy is not limited to money, it’s just the most common metric. What I am telling you (please pay attention here) …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:57 PM
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I understand what I’m saying but that sex drive men have is totally natural. There is no separating that sex drive from male biology. So the discrepancy of the percentage of how many men find women attract and how many women men find attractive is natural
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:43 PM
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Yeah cuz it’s porn lmao, obviously everyone knows it’s consensual. Was there a safe word in 50 shades of grey, the novel that sold more books to women than the Bible the year it was released?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:01 AM
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It’s not just a fantasy for most women. Most women do like to get spanked, hair pulled, spit on, etc in real life. But again, I said publicly which is what the post is about. Women publicly, like on twox, will act like they lament these things, but the truth is most of them wanted to be dominated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:34 AM
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No, most women are not publicly honest. The girls on twox subreddit never say they want it (consensually) because they say it’s degrading, etc but in real life we both know that most women want to be sexually dominated. That’s what the post is all about
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:26 AM
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It is not a small group though. 50 shades of grey was the best selling book it was released, it even surpassed the Bible. And female oriented romance books and eroticas almost always incorporate male domination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:21 AM
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No from my experience women are much more likely to be into BDSM than men, and the stats prove it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:20 AM
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It IS representative of what people want in real life. That’s why men typically don’t want porn of old ugly women. People consume media that appeals to them. So if women are consuming media of sexual domination, it PROBABLY means they are interested in getting sexually dominated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:19 AM
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You are strawmaning the argument. The argument is that MOST women want to be sexually dominated, but they don’t publicly say it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:18 AM
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This is a strawman argument. Nobody said that women must reveal their secret fantasies. We are just saying women are not upfront with men about their sexual fantasies
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:16 AM
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Most women like to be sexually dominated. Don’t strawman the argument
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:15 AM
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This is besides the point. Nobody in their right minds is saying to not get consent. You are detailing the topic. The post wasn’t about consent, it was about women’s true sexual preference. And that is women want to be dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:14 AM
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This is besides the point. You are detailing the topic. The post wasn’t about communication, it was about women’s true sexual preference. And that is women want to be dominated. Nobody in their right minds is saying to not get consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:13 AM
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To my understanding it’s mostly the western countries that have illegalized prostitution. I’m from Africa and I can tell you it’s de facto or de jure legal in most of Africa
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:05 AM
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I just don’t agree with those. I don’t think men who fuck escorts feel ashamed about it. Even if it was legal people would still mostly keep it private. And very few women are trafficked in these western countries, most do it because it is very high pay ($200-$300 per hour), especially for women who have no skills in the legal market
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:01 AM
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People still do it anyways in illegal countries. Nothing would chwnge
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:51 AM
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I agree but as expected you are getting a lot of women pushing back to this rather obvious claim. I can make a couple analogies: in order to drive a car you need wheels. In order to play football you need a football. The word need is subject to the objective. The Maslow hierarchy of needs (for self actualization), the third needs includes love and intimacy; both sexual and non sexual. So you can deduce that for people to reach self actualization, one needs to have sex. This is totally reasonable…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:41 AM
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“All women want to have a relationship before having sex. Except for the women who want sex without a relationship.” 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:29 AM
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This wouldn’t solve mens problems because men would still want some level of genuine desire, intimacy , and emotional connection
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:04 AM
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According to the OkCupid study women rated 80% of men as unnatractive. You are an exception to the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:54 AM
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Testosterone is apart of being a man. If women did not have estrogen they would not be as sexually attracted to men too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:52 AM
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Not yet
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:55 PM
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Birthright citizenship is not in the constitution
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:54 PM
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*hyper hypergamous. Yes. If someone lists their house for $1M in a neighborhood where comparable homes are $500K, and no buyers buy, by definition they are overvaluing themselves. Because objectively the house is worth whatever buyers are willing to pay for, in this case $500K Women doing this in the mating market is what I call hyper hypergamy. Now you are contradicting yourself. Hypergamy and assortative mating is different. Hypergamy is mating up, assortative mating is mating across. Women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:03 AM
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women who remained Ok so now you are coming around to the fact that women with wider hips are on average more fertile. Now I’ll have to disagree with your second point because of the fact that even in todays modern world where women don’t die in childbirth, men STILL on average prefer wider hipped women. Almost all of the Instagram models who get the most male attention have at wider than average hips. If you mean by “slim” women as in low body fat, that has nothing to do with how wide the hips …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:44 AM
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Yes obviously evolution takes time, it is not a light switch. But the fact is genetically we are basically 99% the same as we were pre civilization 10,000 years ago. The difference between us now and 10,000 years ago is smaller than the difference between 10,000 years ago and 100,000 years ago. Of course the environment can influence the expression of sexual preferences, but environment is secondary to biological influences. For example homosexuality is mostly accepted today vs 100 years ago, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:35 AM
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Bro you are wayyyy overthinking this. Yes humans did evolve to be sexually dimorphic. I never said wider hiped men are more attractive. Obviously that’s not true because men don’t bear the offspring in their hips. I said men are attracted to wider hiped women, so as a result the WOMEN will be wider hiped in the future. Men’s hips will not widen to the same extent. It’s like if an average woman sexually selecting a 6’ tall man, that won’t mean her daughter will be 6’ tall, only the male offspring…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:05 AM
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That sounds very sad. Your desires are not natural, people are obviously hardwired to want to have sex, etc. So you are the exception to the rule, not the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:36 PM
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You are overthinking this. First off men will fuck any young fertile woman so there is little selection pressure against those genetics being passed down. But even then women today have bigger breasts and wider hips than men, so there still was selection pressure for it, just to different extents in different populations. But nonetheless on average men still PREFER women with above average breasted and above average hip to waist women. It is analogous to short men still existing even though wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:34 PM
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That is a relatively minor change. Meanwhile or sexual strategies hasn’t changed at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:29 PM
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Ok well clearly it ain’t working because men are still significantly more interested in more casual sex and more sex partners than woman. Experts say that every 10,000 years of evolution can only change about 1% of genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:28 PM
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Women’s worth IS objective, it is what the market deems it to be. Meaning it depends on the value of the man who is willing to commit to her. We are in agreement here. You are really proving my point, because if 50+% of women are going after he top 2.35% of men (per stats above) that means that at least about 48% of women are OVERVALUING themselves. This was my original point. Women are HYPER hypergamous (except the top 2.35% of them) and they don’t want an “equal partner”, they want a higher va…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:33 PM
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Women’s worth IS objective, it is what the market deems it to be. Meaning it depends on the value of the man who is willing to commit to her. We are in agreement here. You are really proving my point, because if 50+% of women are going after he top 2.35% of men (per stats above) that means that at least about 48% of women are OVERVALUING themselves. We have come full circle now. This was my original point. Women are HYPER hypergamous (except the top 2.35% of them) and they don’t want an “equal p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:30 PM
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No offense but it sounds like you are quite older so you may be in a totally different demographic pool. For young attractive women in the West, I can tell you they are picky as hell. They coined the term “6 6’s” which includes a man who is 6 ft tall at least, earns 6 figure income, has a 6 pack, etc. It is less than 5% who qualify but young women don’t care because they have their hypergamous standards
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:19 PM
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PLEASE tell me what I said that was misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:16 PM
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The flaw in your argument is that evolution doesn’t happen that fast. We have been Homo sapiens for 250,000 years and humans for millions of years. The first civilization was about 10,000 years ago. Experts say that it takes 10,000 years of human evolution just to change 1% of our genetics. So the way we evolved for those millions of years pre civilization is for the overwhelmingly majority part the way we are currently hardwired and there’s nothing we can do about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:15 PM
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Many biologically hardwired behavior we can’t stop. Is there anything we can do to stop men being attracted to young, fertile women with big breasts and wide hips? Can we do anything to stop women from being attracted to men over 6 ft tall who are rich and high status?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:11 PM
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We practiced monogamy in civilizations for a few thousands of years. However we were Homo sapiens for 250,000 years and humans for millions of years. Evolution doesn’t happen that fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:09 PM
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Equality doesn’t exist between the sexes because both sexes want different things. Specifically women are hypergamous, meaning they driven to seek a higher value and also a more dominant mate. Women are attracted to confidence and strength. Showing weakness and insecurity will make a women less attracted to the man. This will also undermine the man’s dominant position in the relationship. Constant loss of attraction will end up in the relationship ending. There is a difference between what women…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:04 PM
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I’m calling BS. You say you don’t want traditional gender roles but I’m sure you want a man to provide, protect, to be taller (more dominant), to be higher status, to be stronger and more confident, etc. You probably mean you don’t want to do traditional feminine things all while preferring traditional gender norms like above
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:59 PM
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Men are the stronger dominant sex so it’s not as natural for men to want to protect other men. Men tend to want to protect women. That’s why women have so much extra protection over men today because of the fact that women prioritize themselves over men plus men sacrifice themselves for women. So men’s interests has less representation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:55 PM
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No it’s insane you accused me of misogyny when I never said anything misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:36 PM
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What did I say that was hateful to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:33 PM
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b’dum kshh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:28 AM
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So your fiance is a cuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:28 AM
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Exactly. So your original comments are wrong. Women are hypergamous meaning they want to mate up, but if they can’t get what that then they will settle and mate across
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:24 AM
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You are engaged why would it be useful to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:22 AM
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Yes but like I said they must SETTLE. You said it yourself that women prefer taller men, meaning they must settle for shorter men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:22 AM
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Look at the graph for women’s height filters on Bumble. That is the evidence. The most common filter starts at 6’. Now because only 14.5% are 6’ or taller, this creates a supply and demand issue like I said. So there is no choice but to settle for a shorter man if they want monogamy. You can extrapolate this to income and overall SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:12 AM
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Yes because women have to settle like I said “There is not enough men who make 6 figures for every woman who wants one. There is not enough men who are 6 ft tall for every woman who wants one. It is a supply and demand issue, not because women want men who are similar in looks, income, and SMV” ​
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:09 AM
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That is a common cope people parrot around. Women are innately hypergamous, they innately want more dominant higher value men. Average women say they want a man with 6 6’s, which includes the man making six figures, do you think most women make six figures. Look at how many women filter for men’s heights below, do you think most women are 6 ft or even a tall for a woman? The only reason why you see some somewhat matched couples is because the men at the top are in short supply so women have to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 08:45 AM
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Are you okay? Sounds like you’re having a melt down. This is not even a controversial issue
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:41 AM
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yeah i completely disagree that the average man and the average women are quantifiably different. if anything the male average is dipping (increasing isolated and NEET decreasing relative income) while the average woman is increasing (increasingly college educated vs men). income wise single men and single women are functionally the same. Objectively false. “among unmarried adults, there’s a significant wealth gap between men and women. In 2022, the typical single man had $82,100 in wealth, comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:06 AM
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They can most of the time, but nobody’s perfect. They literally have evolved to be good at deciphering this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:17 AM
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“Everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face”. You can (try to) teach your kid to be as confident as you want with women, but if he’s constantly getting rejected by girls because of their hypergamous standards, like him being too short, ugly, or low status, then that will determine most of his confidence, not some confidence tricks he was taught
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:30 AM
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Then it is not true confidence. Because when they go into the real world, and their level of confidence doesn’t line up with their success, then they will be humbled until their confidence comes down to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:39 AM
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Respect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:04 AM
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I specifically said “unspoken expectation”, meaning friends or families wouldn’t directly tell you. Don’t you think that women are innately hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:58 PM
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Red pill generally believes you can’t reach confidence. Confidence comes from success and positive experience. If you fall every time you ice skate, you’re not gonna be very confident the next time. If you are low value male and never get female attraction, again you’re not gonna be confident. You can try to fake confidence, but it’s just that, fake. Real confidence comes from within and it’s based off positive experiences and previous success.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:37 PM
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Confidence comes from within
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:35 PM
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Women’s reproductive success is contingent on them being able to read confidence and overall assess a man’s mate value. Thats why women are very good at it. When men tell women to “pick better”, it is usually after a woman picked an attractive man with higher mate value, but he just comes with bad traits like being abusing or cheating. However women damn well know what they’re getting into (usually), they just do it anyways because they are attracted to the man. It’s like how men will mess with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:34 PM
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men and women can never split everything 50/50 because women shoulder a heavier biological burden. men who don’t compensate for that burden are lower value than a woman who brings nothing to the table other than a functional uterus. All this is true. But there is limits to what women’s reproductive value is. I’m not arguing against biology, I think it’s fair for women to want a man who is somewhat higher value and more dominant. But guess what, the average man is higher value and more dominant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:30 PM
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Yes because you made a personal attack against me If they make the same I agree it’s unfair to have the woman do all the house and child work. But this is rarely the case, you are grossly exaggerating the frequency of this happening. Once couples have a kid especially women tend to work less hours and men tend to work more hours
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:08 PM
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Hey mod, I can’t defend myself after being called a dumbass?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:00 PM
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You have a lot of audacity for a female with a non functioning vagina. If we know that women are hypergamous, meaning they want higher earning men, that means men are making most of the money. It’s not fair for a man to out earn a woman then after that doing the same amount of housework. In that case the man is doing more than 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:36 PM
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Yes because money attracts mates. Same way status attracts mates, it is not necessarily visceral attraction but it still attracts women. Do you think women are viscerally attracted to Donald Trump who is undeniably high status? In all of my years here I’ve never ever heard people say SMV is looks and status, but leave out money. Most I heard is from blackpillers saying SMV is purely looks. It is particularly odd to include money or status, but both both. Because ultimately both are measures of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:07 PM
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Lol game is not apart of SMV. I’ve been in the red pill and pua for over 6 years, I know these things inside out. It sounds like you come from red pill women so you are not quite getting the authentic red pill. SMV = what attracts mates. In other words your mate value. LMS for men, physical attractiveness for women. RMV = traits or behaviors that keeps mates long term. Men being masculine, women being feminine, values, caring, cooperation, trustworthiness, communication, etc. A billionaire with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:58 PM
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No money is apart of SMV aka LMS (for men). In fact a man’s socioeconomic status is the largest factor of a man’s SMV. Jeff Bezos has higher SMV than any male model and he’s not good looking and short.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:20 PM
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You’re proving my point. What does 50/50 look like to women? A man doing all the providing while the woman does the housework? Thus she is positioning herself to be a bangmaid
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:17 PM
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Women’s respect for their man is associated with the man’s SMV in relations to the man. That’s why women are a lot more likely to divorce their husbands after receiving a big raise or promotion. Women are also twice as likely to divorce a man after winning a political election or being promoted to CEO. So even if the man’s SMV does not change, if hers rises too much she will loose respect/attraction for him (https://www.businessinsider.com/research-shows-women-more-likely-get-divorced-after-prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:15 PM
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This is hogwash. You wouldn’t wanna be with a guy who has shared values and goals if you he looked like Shrek and was low earning and low status. That’s why LMS is paramount and everything else is secondary/tertiary because they are contingent on LMS
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:48 PM
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Looks, money, and status (LMS) is paramount. Shared values and goals are contingent on baseline attraction (LMS)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:41 PM
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I’m not I’m literally scrolling through all posts on the sub and replying to comments I think is intriguing. Your comments are more thought out than average so I think I am more more drawn to reply to yours
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:39 PM
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SMV IS the most important factor in a relationship. As you said not only is SMV the prerequisite for a relationship, but even through the course of the relationship if the man’s SMV drops or the woman’s SMV increases by too much, the woman will likely dump the man because she “can do better”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:36 PM
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You worded your comment deceptively You can easily say the reverse: “But if I’m not attracted to him, then none of the shared values and goals matters to me.” I think it can be said that SMV is most important. Then shared values and goals is secondary because it’s contingent on attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:22 PM
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Omg here you go again moving goal posts. A man can only show up on weekends but as long as he cares throughout the week, he is still an equal parent (lol). Cool. Now that aside. Because of women’s mating preferences, women do NOT want an equal partner. The fact is women are hypergamous, so they seek men who have higher mate value than them. So even if they split everything 50/50 in a relationship, the man is brining more to the table because he is higher value, so it won’t be a 50/50 partnership…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:16 PM
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That’s “fake it till you make it”. That doesn’t work when it comes to attracting women. Because in this case confidence is usually an extension of your mate value. Men with low mate value generally have less confidence so they easily get rejected by most women. But it’s not directly because of their confidence, it’s because they are low mate value. If a low mate value man becomes confident we will still get rejected and humbled down to where he should be
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:01 PM
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If someone never flew a plane before, but they are confident in driving a car, do you think any of that driving a car confidence will translate into flying a plane?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:54 PM
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So you think that men are not hardwired to want to have sex with multiple women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:19 PM
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You just moved the goal posts like crazy. We are talking about men’s sexual nature. Short term and long term includes. Your whole post was about nice guys being mad that bad boys get more pussy, but obviously most of this is somewhat short term mating. The rest of what you said are ridiculous and conspiracy theories so not worth responding too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:11 PM
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Men want to be respected but it doesn’t require them to make more money or be higher status. It just requires the woman to be respectful and submit. For instance look at beyonce and Rihanna relationship. I think you are just projecting women’s preferences onto men. Just because women want higher earning men does not mean men want lower earning women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:08 PM
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Lol a man wanting have sex with a tight woman isn’t anymore dangerous or predatory than a man wanting to have sex with a woman with big breasts or something like that. But that is besides the point, women will be taken more seriously for a relationship if the man knows she is pure. If women don’t want to reveal that, they’ll just be lumped into the typical high body count group of women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:05 PM
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Lmao you keep moving the goal posts. If a woman is hypergamous and wants a man who makes more money and do more of the providing, there is no way the man can be equally present in the household. You totally ignored my main point. Again women are hypergamous. So they want a man who brings more to the table than they do. So even if they do split household and relationship stuff 50/50, the man still bringing more to the table because he IS more valuable. That’s why “equal partner” is nonsense. Valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:02 PM
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I think you are overestimating that. If a woman makes as much money as me and is of equal status/power, I would not mind being in a relationship with her. The problem is primarily women being hypergamous so they want higher earning, status, more dominant men than them. So consequently some men anticipate this so they purposely target lower value women because they know it will be easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:56 PM
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Ok that particular comment was fetishizing but men in general prefer purer women due to paternal uncertainty. Therefore if a woman is lower body count, it is wiser to reveal it to the man as long as it’s not just a sexual fetish for the man. Because it will make her more desirable to men seeking marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:52 PM
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Men generally don’t care for women’s height and wealth maybe a bit more. But no he wouldn’t be disappointed because men are hypogamous, meaning they mate down in mate value. Women can prefer what they want, I’m just debunking how many women say they want “equal partners”. It’s a load of nonsense because we all know women are hypergamous so that means the man must bring more value to the table Women wanting “equal partners” MUST take into account the man’s mate value. It is not just about equally…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:50 PM
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Money > degrees Just because you let Jeff Bezos (who has no degree) stay in your house for free doesn’t make you higher value than him I think more men than women want equal partners. Would you agree with that? I think half men want women to provide like him while the other half want basically bang maids
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:42 PM
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Low body count women SHOULD reveal their body counts because if it is low it is attractive to men. Men know that women who don’t answer that probably have higher body counts so they are going to be seen as less desirable and also less trustworthy because they won’t be honest and open about their past
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:38 PM
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I am arguing that women should not choose a specific type of men, the one who has this preference because he is insecure. Men are not insecure for wanting a low body count woman 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:32 PM
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It’s exhausting when women try to find out how much money we make.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:29 PM
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Ok so he is higher value than you. So in general you agree with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:22 PM
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I’m not undervaluing women, but women overvalue themselves. Especially when it comes to mate selection. A woman who if 5 ft 3 making $50k/yr will think an “equal” man is a man who is 6 ft 2 and makes $200k/yr. Women are hypergamous, they don’t want equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:19 PM
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>Men have the same amount of sexual partners as women, maybe 2 more sexual partners than women but thats it. That’s because most men CANT have sex with more women because of female sexual selection. However look at male celebrities and gays, look how many sex partners they have. That’s what male sexuality looks like when it’s unrestricted by female pickiness. They also dont want dysfunctional women. You are so naive 😂 men don’t care! If you offered a guy an Instagram model with BPD, 99/100 men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:14 PM
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I do, I agree with what you said. But all those metrics of competence generally lead to more resource acquisition and better survival odds. Women are okay with a man earning less money as long as they believe they have the earning potential to out earn her. So you believe he will out earn you one day?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:08 PM
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Ok well you asked me to guess. Cooking and cleaning would probably be $20k more
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:02 PM
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If a man has higher mate value than you, that does make him greater than you as a mate. (This is not to say all humans don’t have equal value, but when it comes to mate value there is hierarchy.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:01 PM
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So how are you hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:59 PM
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So you are your boyfriend go 50/50 on finances?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:58 PM
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I agree but there is more to that. Women are hypergamous (like you admit you are). This means women want more dominant and higher value men, in compression to themselves. This inheritantly makes woman “less than” the men she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:56 PM
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$40k
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:53 PM
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Well he is making it up doing all the providing over the years (housing, insurance, food, utilities, cell phone, clothes, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:52 PM
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Ok then you should agree that most women don’t want “equal partners” like they say they do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:51 PM
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Normal guys are hardwired to sexually peruse multiple women, regardless of the woman’s mental health. Most guys just don’t have the mate value to have multiple women. That’s why guys at the top (celebrities, presidents, billionaires, etc) usually have had more than one at a time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:51 PM
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A surrogate can be hired for about $100k. That means the value of your pregnancy has a measurable value, right around $100k. Therefore his value can equalize (or exceed yours) by providing $100k or more
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:48 PM
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You are giving birth to YOUR child as well. You are trying to deceptively shift who benefits from having offspring to only the man to put him in a deficit. Also women who don’t want kids, never get pregnant, STILL claim to want “equal partners” while having the man pay all or most of the bills. You are a self professed “hypergamy enjoyer” which inheritantly means you DONT want an equal partner. You want a higher valued more dominant partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:46 PM
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Equal means equitable, not the same. Literally no. “Equal” and “equitable” have different definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:42 PM
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Those women shouldn’t use the term “equal partners” then. And women do tend to skew whats “fair” to create an imbalance with the man contributing more
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:40 PM
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That’s not an equal partner then. That is like saying a child has an equal relationship with their parents if the child does the babysits, cooks, and cleans
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:37 PM
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The post was about women saying they want “equal partners”. This is different from just “partners”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:35 PM
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I’ve been saying this forever. Women are innately hypergamous. Most women want a man to make more money, do more of the providing, do more of the protecting, be stronger and more confident, be smarter, be taller, be higher status, etc. Then they turn around and say they want an “equal partner”. No what they really want is to have a more dominant, higher value mating partner but at the same time have the same relationship power as him. It makes no logical sense
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:34 PM
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Most women don’t want to go 50/50 on finances. Therefore what else do women have to offer? Sex and domestic duties like you mentioned. So women are setting themselves up to be bang maids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:29 PM
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I’ve been with 18 year olds I never got shit for it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:22 PM
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To some degree and their are outliers but generally self-confidence has more to do with your success and past experience than mental tricks and perspective. A virgin man will generally be unconfident with women because he had no past success. Mental tricks are just band aids
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:21 PM
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It’s not projection, it’s undisputed science. It’s not about “normal” people, it’s about innate sex differences. For women it’s not normal for them to want to get smashed by a bunch of men. But for men it is apart of their biology
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:18 PM
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Vasectomies is sexual castration I would never get one even if I no longer wanted kids
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:16 PM
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Quantity is literally men’s innate sexual strategy. Even if a man chooses to be monogamous, his innate biology is built for quantity, that’s why men produced billions of sperm everyday and across every culture men are more interested in more sex partners than women. This is undisputed science.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:12 PM
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I fully read the post. You think nice guys are shallow because they are not getting pussy like the bad boys are in larger quantities
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:54 PM
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Confidence is something you feel within yourself. Pick up artists often share your view and try to “teach” confidence to their students, but it never works because confidence is internal. It’s not something you can learn like mathematics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:52 PM
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The overwhelming majority of women want a man to be somewhat higher earning, smarter, taller, etc. You don’t have to be directly told that, it is more of an unspoken expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:47 PM
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Every guy wants pussy. There is nothing shallow or being an asshole for having a normal sex drive. It is like how people want money, and if there are drug dealers earning money illegitimately, the people who have a honest living will feel some type of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:44 PM
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No. Conversion therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:42 PM
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EW. You flirt and kiss in front of your kids??? That is beyond immoral
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:41 PM
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You can’t teach confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:38 PM
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Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:22 PM
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Laughably false. If so why do women’s groups oppose 50/50 shared parenting bills whenever they are introduced in each state?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:27 PM
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De jure yes, de facto no. De facto the woman’s interests are supreme, then the child’s. If family law has children as priority they would do 50/50 custody regularly because it’s statistically proven it’s better than a predominantly single motherhood household
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 02:51 PM
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Family law entered the chat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 08:22 AM
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It won’t, the law says men only
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 11:33 PM
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9 months is not “long ago”. I caught you in a lie. But besides that, your profile pic is evidence that women use their bodies to get male sexual attention, but men can’t do the same because biologically women don’t get aroused by men’s bodies to the extent that men get aroused by women’s. That’s why there’s no Instagram models of men showing off their bodies, at least not nearly to a close extent as women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:59 PM
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Ok then why don’t women be drafted like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:55 PM
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Our biology is shaped by hundreds of thousands if not million of years of evolution. Not 200 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:22 PM
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Well biologically men aren’t hardwired to do the childrearing and nurturing like women are. So it’s a bad expectation. It’s like expecting men and women to do equal protection
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:11 PM
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It’s the opposite, women do most of the homewrecking so it’s the woman causing separation between the father and child
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:07 PM
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I don’t have social media. I don’t get DM’s from anyone. https://np.reddit.com/r/Instagram/s/Efj6ba8CMJ
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:06 PM
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Lmao look at your profile pic. I’m 100% certain you get dm’ed from men regularly. If a man posted the same, I’m 100% certain he wouldnt get the same flood of dm’s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 12:52 PM
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Lmao some females who voluntarily fornicate did not intend for to be single mums 😂😂 those insane levels of cope. By definition a man didn’t leave his family simply by fornicating. Statistically women do most of the divorces and breakups
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 11:11 AM
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That’s not necessary to have kids. Just ask all the never married single moms
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:55 AM
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No the problem is not solved because most people (including women) want kids
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:48 AM
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So you think women deserve half no matter what? Even if she’s a lazy ass who stays at home and has no kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:38 AM
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You left out the part where the working spouse 100% paid for all the living expenses for the stay at home spouse. So if I as a teacher was making $50k/yr which is less than $1k per week, after taxes even less, that means I would’ve had to pay my share in the childcare, mortgage, insurance, utilities, phone bill, gym, clothes, food, travel/leisure, etc. So if I had worked I would probably come close to if not breaking even, meaning I would not have gained money if I kept working. And my earning p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:28 AM
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I do. Just look at the single motherhood rate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:14 AM
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Simple. Women marry primarily for security. Pre nup = she’s not getting as much financial security.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:07 AM
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Men get more sexually aroused to naked women than women get sexually aroused to naked men. That’s why women generally don’t like dick pics. Anyone who denies the fact that men on average get more sexually aroused visually is not being intellectually honest because they are trying to push egalitarianism
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:04 AM
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You get what I’m saying. Not necessarily you but any modern woman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:30 PM
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If you both do the same amount of housework, why should you take more of a share of his money if you divorce him? See that is not fair if you guys are both contributing to the home equally, but he outearns you, he is contributing more to the marriage in total
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:29 PM
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Women generally don’t marry down financially so it’s hard to put it into perspective. But I’m sure you wouldn’t like the idea of a man taking half a woman’s hard earned money and continued alimony just for raising the kids
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:27 PM
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It’s not unpaid labor if the man is paying for your living expenses and lifestyle. I agree that both sides need to do their equal share, but you make it seem like a doctor needs to give up half their earnings to a woman who does the same task in Africa for free. You are not putting in much more work than any mother in Africa by being a stay at home mom. You don’t deserve doctor money for being a mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:24 PM
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I already seen that study. Yes women do care about physical attractiveness, I never said they didn’t. Yes women want to reproduce good genetics. But this is besides the point, women don’t get sexually aroused visually like the way men do. They get aroused mentally, that’s why they are more interested books and stories with build ups. Can you answer why porn is overwhelmingly consumed by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:19 PM
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Ok maybe not you but many people would take the deal. Just look at all the people living on unemployment and food stamps. The only difference is that their financial security comes from the government and yours comes from some guy that you will clean out during divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:58 PM
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So you want to stay at home then, you can’t say you “sacrificed your career”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:54 PM
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This is common sense. Why else do you think porn is consumed overwhelmingly mostly by men while romance books is consumed overwhelmingly by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:52 PM
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Your understanding of pre nup laws are mostly correct, but your view on women automatically deserving half the man’s money he made throughout the course of the marriage is faulty. The contribution men make by earning money in a marriage is not necessarily the same contribution women make throughout the marriage by doing domestic work. If they bring the same contribution value to the table during the marriage, then 50/50 split is fair. However if there is an imbalance between the two, meaning the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:49 PM
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That’s fair as long as we split the expense for hiring a domestic worker
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:08 PM
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Because she has more control of the assets
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:50 PM
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From what I observe, women who have money or good earning potential tend to be supportive of prenups
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:46 PM
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Lmao that is so irrational. Why wear a seat belt then if you have faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:43 PM
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99% of men today don’t get married at 18
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:39 PM
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It cannot address child custody
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:38 PM
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Just because one is a couple means they both earned the money equally. If a man did all the work to earn all the money while the women did not contribute the same amount/value of work, then the woman does not deserve half
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:37 PM
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That’s on her. You are leaving out the fact she got to live for free for X amount of time. The man had to pay for her lifestyle so it is not a bad deal all. Just imagine if you asked random people “hey would you take this deal- you stay at home and do some chores and I will financially provide everything you need for X amount of years” many people would take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:32 PM
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He is being facetious but in general women don’t contribute as much as you are implying. “Women wait at the finish line and pick the winners” is a common saying around here. When it comes to marriage women do tend have this attitude of “what can this man do for me”. Most women select a man for marriage based on who makes the most money. And sure women can cook and clean but that doesn’t justify half a man’s earnings. That is labor that can easily be hired out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:30 PM
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Women don’t deserve half the man’s money just for existing in the marriage. You make a lot of assumptions like she was supportive, or had to give up her career. Statistically most women are not stay at home moms/wives. If they do have kids most of them go right back to work shortly after. Also the biggest thing you left out is the fact that the man had to pay for the woman’s living expenses throughout the marriage. If she was single she wouldn’t even be able to just stay at home because she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:23 PM
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Lmao, if the shoe was on the other foot with the woman making most of the money yall would not want the woman to give up the money SHE earned throughout the marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:17 PM
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Agreed. This is why Russell Wilson is attractive Ciara after she is a 30 something year old single mom but when she was 20 she wouldn’t have slept with him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:51 AM
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Men and women are attracted to different things. Men tend to be attracted visually. Women tend to be attracted psychologically. They are both sexually gratifying to each gender
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:39 AM
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You 100% misrepresented the argument and evidence of women being hypergamous with their preferences in men’s height. Everything you said is invalid (no offense) because I didn’t argue the point you’re countering. PLEASE READ WHAT IM SAYING SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. I didn’t say that a woman simply wanting a comparatively taller man is hypergamy, I said that women wanting a man who is tall (for a man), when she is not tall (for a woman), is hypergamy. For example, the average height in the US for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:18 AM
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No it’s different because women are significantly more choosier than men. women’s selection pressure for more desirable men is way higher than men’s selection pressure for more desirable women. Men are more willing do mate with the average woman than the reverse. Also when men try to mate up, it’s not feasible because women adamantly don’t mate down. But because men are willing to mate down, women often do mate up which makes female hypergamy possible, but male hypergamy impossible. Remember by …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:34 PM
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If women are hypergamous and mate up (which you do not dispute), then that by definition means they are beneath the man they’re mating with. It’s not rocket science. In order for someone to win the Super Bowl, someone must loose the Super Bowl. Women are HARDWIRED to be hypergamous. However not all women can afford to be hypergamous. Because the very nature of hypergamy leads to a small amount of men compared to a larger amount of women. Because of this supply and demand issue, some women, usual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:08 PM
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That’s not true. Men and women find different things attractive in each other. Men tend to prioritize youth and beauty in women’s attractiveness. Women tend to prioritize status and money in men’s attractiveness. A man who is rich and high status will pull more women than a man who has “youth and beauty”, simply because women don’t prioritize the latter as much. So as a man gets older, he tends to accumulate money and status so his overall market value tends to appreciate, even while his looks d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:46 PM
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Women see men crying as confidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:18 PM
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No women do NOT want equal partners. If if it was true than women would have no problem marrying someone their height, income level, and social status. They wouldn’t mind the man crying as often as she does, being as insecure as her, and if there was a home intruder she would defending just like the man. If women wanted equal partners they wouldn’t fantasize over more dominant, higher socioeconomic status men, such as 50 shades of grey where the man in the plot was a 6 ft tall billionaire and ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:17 PM
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I agree but the problem is it may be interpreted that way be the woman. So it will make it harder for her to respect him as the dominant man
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:08 PM
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Are you disputing that women are hypergamous? Hypergamy basically means that women mate up in mate value (most commonly socioeconomic level because that’s the primary metric women use to evaluate mens’ mate value). If a woman who is younger, prettier, nicer, than a older man she has sex with an older uglier man, that doesn’t disprove hypergamy, all that means is that his mate value is probably higher than her mate value. So let’s say that particular woman has 80 points of mate value because she …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:06 PM
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It maybe be around 30%-40% of the time high status men marry significantly down in socioeconomic level. But for women it’s near 0%. That stark difference is explained by hypergamy. Look at Donald Trump, Bill Gates, lebron James, Michael Jordan, etc. These are literal billionaires who married women who weren’t even millionaires. Many celebrity men have wives who don’t even have Wikipedia pages lol. And if you go to less famous people like doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc, I bet if you surveyed the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:35 PM
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Incredible
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:48 AM
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Height is definitely an important factor for men. Most women simply do not want men shorter than them. But it’s not the only factor. Men’s money and status are even more important for women’s mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:44 AM
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Don’t you think that most women (not including your friends) would think think it’s weak for a grown man to cry after a verbal argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:42 AM
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Ok the first one is justified but the next two wouldn’t be justified for a man to cry over, especially the last. A masculine dominant man should have bigger fish to fry than to argue with his wife 😂 let alone cry about it 😂😂 that is honestly weak male behavior if you ask me and frankly I don’t think most women would subconsciously respect that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:25 AM
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Crying over things that women cry about (except death). This is a trap question because women can cry over different things, but generally it is less profound things than what men cry about. What was the last three things you cried about (excluding death)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:11 AM
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You didn’t teach me anything? Do you know how old the “I like big booties and I cannot lie” is? You think big hips and butts just became sexually attractive like 15 years ago? Men’s sexual preferences is rooted in millions years of evolution, Kim Kardashian didn’t change anything 😂 she just played right into it. Do you also think that women’s sexual preference for taller men has been recently made up too?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:53 AM
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<image> Ok here’s your evidence buddy (https://www.gertstulp.com/pdf/Stulp%20et%20al%202013_Anim%20Behav_The%20height%20of%20choosiness.pdf). Women preferred a 10 inch height difference the most in this speed dating study. Also the average height of romance books is 6 ft 3.5 (https://girlpowergirlstrong.com/how-tall-is-the-perfect-man/). The reason why couples you see in public don’t have as big of height difference is because there are not enough attractive tall men to go around. Remember in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:50 AM
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Yeah but the appeal of Asian porn isn’t their small butts lol. It’s that they are usually petite and have tighter holes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:18 AM
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From the clothes or accessories they wear, the venues their in, travel destination, cars in the background, etc. Women are really good at this stuff tbh, evolutionarily they developed instincts to accurately determine things like this because if they reproduced with a low status that can kill their reproductive success
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:10 AM
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Hypergamy is across and up, but ideally above. Across is bare minimum. Most women would rather be single than date down. The reverse is not true with men. Thus women are hypergamous. And addition to socioeconomics, women generally prefer men who are more dominant, taller, stronger, smarter, more confident, more driven, etc. It is usually a turn off if one of the above is not more than the woman’s. Women do end up marrying across in socioeconomics but that’s not because they want to, it’s because…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:04 AM
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I watch porn everyday and never seen a “skinny ass” category
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:46 AM
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Child = offspring. Even if you call it a fetus it is still the offspring of two parents who reproduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:44 AM
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Women mostly marry in their social classes because their isn’t enough higher status men in higher social classes to go around for each lower status woman. At least without sharing high status men being in ape-like harems. Women’s innate mating strategy is still hypergamy, that’s why the top 20% of men on dating apps get 80% of the matches
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:42 AM
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It’s hard to argue that hypergamy doesn’t exist Hypergamy is the reason why it’s not uncommon for a high status man like a doctor to marry a low earning/status woman like a hairdresser but it’s basically unheard of for a high status woman like a female doctor to marry a low status man like a barber or a security guard. Hypergamy is the reason why men go to third world countries to find a wife but it’s basically unheard of for women to do the same Hypergamy is the reason why women right swipe on …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:39 AM
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But men saying “I like skinny asses” is not common at all
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:05 AM
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I’ve never seen men say the like skinny asses. If someone said it it is an exception to the rule. This further proves op’s point that women will point out exceptions rather than acknowledge the general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:02 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:56 AM
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Sorry I think I replied to the wrong person then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:56 AM
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So you are saying a 5 ft 4 woman wouldn’t prefer a 6 ft 2 man over a 5 ft 6 man?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:53 AM
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You totally strawmanned op’s post. What op pointed out is that women’s mating preference for men with more money inevitably leads to patriarchy because it incentivizes men to control more of the resources and be in higher positions of power and status. Hypergamy leads to patriarchy because in order for women to be hypergamous, there must be more powerful higher value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:36 AM
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Why can’t women just be pro life on the basis that abortion is immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:24 AM
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Women wanting rich men will incentive for men to be rich and in positions of power more than women. More men in positions of power leads is by definition male domination aka patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:17 AM
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You seriously need evidence that women prefer taller men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:03 AM
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Yes I notice women doing this a lot. Women tend not to like to be generalized, so frequently they like to play contrarian by pointing out exceptions to general statements. If men make a post saying men are usually more logical than women, women will point out some super emotional guy to try to disprove the general statement. It’s annoying but you have to see through the manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:02 AM
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Where have men said they like skinny asses?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:56 PM
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No men don’t usually do the same. Most men are straight up and honest
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:56 PM
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We should take general rules more serious than individual exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:53 PM
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The point you’re not getting is that men value younger more physically attractive women more than women do. Even as men get older they still prefer relatively attractive and relatively younger women. This is different from women completely flipping their their preferences from wanting a fun attractive bad boy when they’re young then wanting a safe reliable beta when they’re older
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:52 PM
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That’s a strawman argument. Women prefer taller men (controlled for all other factors). Nobody said every tall man is a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:48 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:46 PM
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That is an extreme example. No sane person would think a man is weak for crying over someone’s death. The debate is for regular weaknesses, like crying or being weak about things women would cry or be weak over
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:37 PM
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Vulnerability is by definition a weakness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:34 PM
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I think women still want commitment more than men, but because of the effects of hypergamy on steroids today women don’t want commitment as much as they did before, especially with average men because of the inflated amounts of male attention they see average men as replaceable
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:24 PM
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If men weren’t violent our current societies wouldn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:17 PM
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Isn’t it just nature/biology? Not to sound crass but because women are hypergamous, if she sleeps with the man this generally indicates the man is higher value and she is comparatively lower value
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:16 PM
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I don’t think being aggressive is a bad thing. It’s necessary to compete and protect
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:13 PM
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Nope false analogy. Hypergamy is hardwired into women’s innate biology. Being an abuser or grapist is not. Not that it even matters because most US presidents and historically most leaders would probably be considered grapists and abusers by todays definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 10:04 PM
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Ok those are allegedly only some of the girls he has been with. He has had sex with many Instagram models, tattood his initials on many women, and has seemingly has had sex with Mikayla Peterson (she was photographed in her house and there was a pic with his hand over her butt). Don’t you think this guy is more successful with women than some guy who is in a long marriage but dead bedroom or the average single guy who can barely get a date on tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 01:49 AM
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Andrew Tate isn’t rolling in pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:36 AM
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How do you quantify success with women? Some guys are in 20 year marriages and their wives won’t put out. Other guys are single but have a rotation of 10/10 women giving him their bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:12 AM
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Omg it’s like you’re not reading what I said. Please slow down and actually read what I said. I did NOT link crying to being insecure. I said that women are emotionally and mentally weaker than men. Women are emotionally weaker, an example is they break down and cry more. Women are mentally weaker because, one example is that they are known to get more insecure and less confident. You saying crying is a weakness is objectively wrong. There is a reason why there is tendency when women cry everybo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 11:46 PM
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The masculine traits are more important, they are the baseline. Without the masculine traits women won’t care if a guy is nurturing or attentive. It’s the cherry on top. That’s why just about ever romance and erotica aimed for women is based on a primarily masculine man
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 11:14 PM
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I didn’t link insecurity to crying. I linked being mentally weaker to being insecure and being emotionally weaker to crying. Crying is definitely a form of weakness because you are basically overwhelmed with sad emotions that you can’t control yourself so you break down and start crying. Sure in extreme cases like family death it’s acceptable but it’s still a weakness. It’s not a bad thing but it’s clear that women cry more because they don’t have the emotional strength like men to not be overwh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 11:10 PM
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I never said that 80% of women are only paying attention to the top 20% of men. That’s a common misconception. What is true is that approximately 80% of women want the top 20% of men (that’s why the top 20% of men get most of the likes and swipes)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:52 AM
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No because that article said women still mostly message men above the curve. Also there is a difference between what women want vs what they can get. Women will like and swipe right on the top men, but that doesn’t mean those men will message her. That is still low 😂😂😂 50% of men are not even getting weekly sex and you think that’s good for the average guy. “the proportion of 18- to 24-year-old individuals who reported having had no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (18.9% vs …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:27 AM
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I’m not contradicting themselves. Women are hypergamous AND they they still have inflated self worth (due to receiving a lot of male attention from men who aren’t interested in anything long term and by making money which men don’t prioritize as high as physical attractiveness and age)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:18 AM
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That still means that women want to divorce more than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:15 AM
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Yes it’s true men on average are more interested in short term relationships while women are more interested in longer term relationships. But that doesn’t really help you case because in order for men to try to “fuck” them they would have had to spoke to those women rated 3-8 a lot more then the women had to speak with men rated 3-8
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:15 AM
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You misconstrued what I said. I said that women are hardwired to be attracted to traits of strength and security in men, because evolutionary women were very reliant on men for resources, protection, and security, not only for themselves but for the child. And these hardwired mating preferences passed down to modern women. That’s why rich women like Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Kim Kardashians, still want rich billionaire men, even though they have way more than enough money to provide their own finan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:11 AM
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Can you please directly answer the questions
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:57 AM
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Agreed. They are usually very related anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:56 AM
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I’m saying that things you’ve mentioned might be counted as a part of compatibility to start with. If there’s no attraction, of course, you aren’t compatible. This is exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re agreeing with me now. If you have very different financial habits and levels, chances are high you aren’t compatible either etc. This is contingent upon attraction like mentioned above.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:55 AM
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So if anything high SMV has negative correlation by what you say…. Yes. But more so if the women’s SMV outgrows the man because since women are innately hypergamous, they will be increasingly more unsatisfied. Older high value men will usually just cheat but not monkey branch. Women get older. Their SMV peaks before 28. Time is in men’s favor generally so that does not explain the divorce landscape. But married women are not commonly monkey branching to upgrade husbands as they upgrade their SMV…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:52 AM
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If almost every man (80%) is rated as unattractive, most of the messages will go to those rated as unattractive. Also the converse is true, most men rated most women as attractive so it appears they are focused on more attractive women when they are objectively just looking across. The issue here is that they are not using an objective rating system where the average person is mathematically average at the 50th percentile. Naturally men will overinflate ratings because men are biologically hardw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:41 AM
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So you actually believe that men are more selective on dating apps when it comes to messaging women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:23 AM
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Two questions: Do you think most women (not you) would be okay dating a man who is shorter than them? Do you think most women (not you) would be okay dating a man who made half of the money they made? And to answer your question, yes for men compatibility is also contingent on baseline attraction. Most men would not want to be attracted to a 300 lb land whale. If they could, most men would be with women who look like Instagram models.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:24 PM
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What study
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:20 PM
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Can you copy and paste where it said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:19 PM
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Women are on average more insecure than men. Answer this: who cries more often men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:19 PM
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I never said men should dump their old wives. In fact women do most of the divorcing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:16 PM
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Are you seriously arguing that men are more selective than women on dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:14 PM
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You being a high income earner, smart, and hard working does not say anything about your mate value as a women. Men and women are attracted to different things in each other. Money, status, power, height, and intelligence are metrics that women use to rate men’s attractiveness, because women are hardwired to seek security from men. Men’s attraction to women is based on their reproductive value which is expressed by physical attractiveness (things like age, face, breasts, hip to waist ratio). If …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:11 PM
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No you didn’t give a direct answer. You just said you don’t support war. Which doesn’t address the question because realistically we are always going to have wars and force people to fight them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:53 PM
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I never said only 20% of men are getting laid, the distribution is not that extreme These people were primitive hunter gathers who had little to no contact with modern society
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:50 PM
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Yes I agree with your definition of “compatible”. What I’m saying is that compatibility is SECONDARY to attraction and mate value. Because women are hypergamous, they are hardwired to mate up. So if there is a man who is beneath them in status, wealth, and height, women wouldn’t want such a man EVEN IF they are on paper compatible like they have similar financial habits, libido, moral beliefs, etc. Compatibility for women only matters for men who are higher value than her who satisfy her hyperga…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:49 PM
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That’s true but their performance in the SMP is largely determined by their SMV. Both statements are true. It’s like to be a good professional basketball player, I’m saying you must be tall, fast, agile, and shoot the ball well. You are saying you can’t judge a basketball player by his stats like how tall, fast, agile, and how good of a shooter he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:41 PM
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I’m not sure where you got that from but I’ll just go along with it. That doesn’t mean women will go on a date with men at the bottom. Women are known to be very flakey and want to solicit attention/validation from men to boost their self-esteem. Women generally do not mate down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:38 PM
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Yes men (and women) are biologically hardwired to try to negotiate for the highest value mate because it will better aid their reproductive success. Men aren’t as selective as women though, hypergamy itself is innately hardwired into women. Men want the most attractive women they can attract but they still generally have to mate down in mate value. Women on the other hand generally won’t even consider a man below them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:32 PM
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There is some of that but the distribution was much more asymmetrical for women wanting the top men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:28 PM
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This calls into question you’re own mate value (no offense). If you had the opportunity to date men who were taller, higher earning, and smarter, you probably would because women are innately hypergamous which means they are driven to mate up in order to get the best security from a man which is necessary to give the best reproductive success
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:28 PM
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Sure. Nothing wrong with speaking proper though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:21 PM
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You can study human mating behavior without being in a relationship. And not everyone even wants to be in a relationship or a monogamous one. Also there are many people who are in relationships but have a poor understanding of human mating behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:19 PM
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I pressed her on this earlier, she refuses to answer if women should be drafted just like men, after arguing so much that women shouldn’t be judged for a position like president based on their sex. Meanwhile male conscriptees are judged purely on their gender. All she will say is “yOu JuSt HaTe WoMeN” without making any sound logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:16 PM
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Sure men can have feminine traits and women can have masculine traits. No matter how hard you cope strength is will always be associated with masculinity (because men are stronger than women physically, mentally, and emotionally). So the reverse is also true weakness will always be associated with femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:10 PM
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That’s right you can’t answer the question 😂 this is why I don’t take women’s rights seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:05 PM
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Well somebody has to fight wars. Like I said they are inevitable because of nature. So yes if men have to get forced into war women should also. You must not be aware about Ukraine. In Ukraine, years ago there was a big election for the head of state, on the liberal side you had a pro US/West candidate and on the conservative side you had more of a pro Russia status quo candidate. Both were corrupt of course. What happened? The liberal president (mostly voted by females) won and a war broke out …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:37 AM
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This is hard for women to do since they are hypergamous they seek to mate up in smv
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:30 AM
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Men aren’t as rigid in their preference for women out of their league though, because men are not hypergamous like women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:29 AM
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OkCupid released data on their blog site that indicated that women collectively rated 80% of men as unattractive. Some months later there was an incel shooting and they deleted the blog. https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:27 AM
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Why do most people still end up in relationships/marriages? Because people have to settle their standards (particularly women) in order to get married. why is there not a divergence in STD rates if all the women are sleeping with a few men? Women get higher STD rates then men so this supports women giving their bodies up to a smaller percentage of men. there’s no way you tracked the breath of historical cultures to find out their ideal waist hip ratio Dr David Buss’ 1989 study involved 37 cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:06 AM
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It sounds like you disregarded everything you didn’t wanna hear. Anybody can attract mates but the variability comes in the level of desirability of opposite sex mates you can attract for a long term relationship. Meaning if you were 20 years younger and had a hip to waist ratio closer to 0.7, you would be able to attract a higher mate value man than the men you can attract now at 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:45 AM
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Their performance in the SMP is largely determined by their SMV. People with higher mate value will tend to perform better than those with lower mate value. Of course there are outliers but this is the trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:38 AM
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Also family law rigs natural man/woman dynamics in favor of giving women more power
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:26 AM
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Disagree. Men’s and women’s attractiveness is totally different in the first place. A woman’s attractiveness comes from fertility cues (youth, curvy hips, big breasts) and facial structure. Women can’t change their age, breast size, or hip structure, or facial structure. Makeup and fake lashes and nails don’t make men more attracted to women. A man’s attractiveness comes from from genetic quality and strength (facial structure, height, muscularity). Men can’t change any of this either except for…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:23 AM
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I think women know that other women’s compliments are meaningless. It’s men’s compliments and validation that inflates their sense of self worth
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:17 AM
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100% agree. Even in r/trueratemediscussion the men told me the 1-10 scale isn’t linear, meaning that 5 is not average, they say 7 is average. Most men are in such scarcity anything looks good to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:15 AM
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This was a very well thought out post and the information provided transcends age. Facts are facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:13 AM
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Of course there is no 100% way to get a precise SMV score. It is just a general consensus of how desirable you are to the opposite sex. It is based on how desirable of an opposite sex mate you can attract for a long term relationship. Most men and women start to run into a wall if they go above after a certain level of desirability in an opposite sex mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:10 AM
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Only about 14.5% of the population is 6ft+ and 10% of the population earns six figures. Therefore that is 1.4% of the population then if you add emotional availability it’s probably right around 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:07 AM
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“Compatibility” and “enjoy being around” are contingent on the man’s attractiveness and status. You probably would not want to be compatible with a man who makes less money than you, is shorter than you, and is less intelligent than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:04 AM
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Yes it does. If there is a growing imbalance of SMV throughout the relationship, it will undermine the stability of the relationship. Particularly if the woman’s SMV is growing past the man’s by a lot. Let’s say the woman is out earning and outgrowing the man’s status. Because women are innately hypergamous, the woman will find herself a lot more dissatisfied and will be a lot more susceptible to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:01 AM
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To your first point, that doesn’t change anything. Yes men will try to shoot out of their league if given the chance, however men aren’t as rigid in their preference for a more desirable partner, unlike women who are because they are innately hypergamous. Also if you read the full study it said that women are very much more selective when responding to messages compared to men. So yeah men can send messages to women out of their league but they rarely will even get responded to meanwhile men usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:54 AM
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I agree in online dating it is harder for women to acquire all the information to make well informed mate selection choices because like you said a lot cannot be conveyed through a screen. However the online dating data does give a good idea of what’s going on because what women say the look for and what women actually go for are two different things. There really isn’t better data to go off of because in the observational studies that are often quoted here, the sample size is small and more imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:04 AM
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Yes it is. Strength, assertiveness is more masculine while passiveness and weakness is more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 04:48 AM
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What is a gooner?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:37 AM
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Literally no man has said men should leave their wives after getting old. You stuck in your head. But on that note many women leave men because they “lost attraction” or “love him but not in love with him”. Four fingers are pointing right back at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:33 AM
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Yes, ot that it matters
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:26 AM
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You hit the nail on the head. Women want more dominant men. Just look at the most popular romance book, the man is usually richer, taller, stronger, higher status, etc. When it comes to age gaps, the only people who hate are the people who don’t reap the rewards of this dynamic. So this includes older women, average to low value men, and young women who don’t get the same high value male attention. The 20 year old women who are on the super yachts of 40 year old multimillionaires in south beach …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:25 AM
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Feminists are, generally, dead quiet about this issue. I have asked another feminist woman on this thread about this issue and she is trying to deflect meaning she does not agree
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:49 AM
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Ok I respect the consistency but most pro choicers and feminists would not say the same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:45 AM
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Do you support drafting women for war just like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:32 AM
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Good night 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:13 AM
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Don’t need to, feminism is tanking, look at the pew research polls
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:11 AM
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So you support equality under the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:11 AM
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Women in general marry for money, at least in part. In general, women don’t marry men who make half as much as them. And lol at your last sentence. You are acting like you can attract a billionaire for marriage. This is like me saying “I really love my Toyota, I think it’s the best car in the world. I would never buy a Bugatti!” 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:08 AM
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Because that demonstrates you actually believe in equal rights. Many feminists like you only want equality situationally only when it benefits you. When there are sexist laws like male only drafts, you feminists are dead silent. And like it or not be war is apart of animal nature, it is not going away any time soon. So again, do you support gender neutral draft law?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:01 AM
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Ok so do you support women being drafted to war just like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:50 AM
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Yes that’s true but we are looking at this from a legal perspective, not what men should do. And the fact is that women have more rights than men, in this regard they have more reproductive control. Feminism claims to want equality, but this example shows how they don’t care about equality they strictly care about women gaining extra rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:47 AM
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BECAUSE BY DEFINITION IF IT CONSENSUAL SEX YOU ARE AGREEING TO HIM STICKING IT IN YOUR VAGINA. IF YOU DONT WANT HIM TO DO IT, TELL HIM STOP AND HE MUST LEGALLY OBEY.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:33 AM
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Ok fine, feminism must be obliterated then because it’s sexist and anti-male
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:31 AM
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No you use logic. Men who get raped in America are forced to pay child support. Meanwhile women have the right to abort. So YOU don’t believe in equal rights for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:30 AM
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Biology is sexist then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:27 AM
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Let’s not be silly here, no woman who is able to attract billionaire will settle to marry an average guy. I’m not this gullible. Also every women partially marries for money, it is natural because women are evolved to want to be reliant on men for security/provisioning. You would not marry your husband if he made half as much as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:26 AM
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It absolutely does. People care about the gender of candidates because we know there are innate sex differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:23 AM
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No a child has nothing to do with being born or not. It has to do with being one’s offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:20 AM
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Wait but don’t women have control over being shot inside with male gametes? Like don’t let him shoot in you fishhole have him shoot wherever else like your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:18 AM
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Medically necessary abortions are always legal. It’s unconstitutional to ban sun h. Don’t be be so dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:17 AM
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We don’t support baby murdering
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:16 AM
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No it’s not sorted because I’m America men who get raped are still liable for child support
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:15 AM
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False. In Virginia they have child support pre birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:14 AM
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It was an example. You said you could have any man you want. If you want a billionaire (there are less than 1,000 billionaires in America btw), do you think you capable of attracting one for marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:12 AM
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Disagree. Men and women are biologically different so each gender is a better fit for different jobs. When it comes to leadership, that is a role that men are better equipped for because of biological traits that men have like more dominance, logic, strength, courage, etc. It is not a coincidence that historically 98% of empires and kingdoms have been led by men. Evolutionary it’s a man’s job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:10 AM
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I could get any guy I wanted. Really? So if you wanted a billionaire you can have him? If you wanted an A list celebrity you can have them? Men have always flocked to me Yes for casual sex I’m sure that’s true, but that’s the case for every woman with a functioning vagina. Men flocking to you for long term relationships are a different ball game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:05 AM
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That is your opinion, but ultimately the mating marketplace determines your mate value. And the fact of the matter is that women with high mate value of have their pick of the litter generally do not take fem boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:58 AM
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Just as it sounds but here is the scientific overview https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_value. It’s just how desirable of a mate you are. It is important because the higher your mate value is, the higher mate value mate you can attract. This is true for all animals, including humans. The most beautiful women get access to the most desirable men. The ugliest women can only get the least desirable men so they will probably be low status, low earning, short, etc. Common sense really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:52 AM
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No, statistically most women vote progressive, they are the majority. However it doesn’t really matter because there is little difference in what left vs right wing women want in men. The overwhelming majority of them prefer men who are more dominant and masculine, taller, have more money, have more status, etc. If there are women who are sexually attracted to fem boys there would be female romances and erotica geared towards that. The fact of the matter is next to no woman wants the opposite of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:42 AM
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Women value masculine traits more in men. Men value feminine traits more in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:34 AM
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Exactly even the women who claim to want feminine men still prefer the man to be tall, lean, sharp jawline, high status, etc all of which are masculine traits. None of these women want some guy who looks like the men on r/femboys or r/bussy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:32 AM
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Women are primarily looking for masculine characteristics in men. If you read or watch women’s romances and eroticas, you will find out fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:28 AM
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Most women want their man to be primarily masculine, not a 50/50 mix of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:23 AM
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Again, your anecdotal outlier scenario doesn’t disprove the rule. Also it’s devoid of important context (like your own mate value). It’s like trying to say short men are as desirable as tall men because you are married to a 5 ft 4 man. Like no, there is a reason why there is basically no women’s romance or erotica centered around a short man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:21 AM
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Outliers don’t disprove the rule. Grown women are rarely attracted to feminine men so much so that there is just about no romance romances or erotica books or movies that center around a femme man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:02 AM
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Being a pushover IS more feminine because a pushover by definition submitting, which is feminine
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