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| 1 | Male privilege.Actually, yes they literally were as chattel. A marriage was the transference of property of the woman from father to husband. Not only that but any money made by a woman either through a wage, from investment, by gift, or through inheritance automatically became the property of her husband once she was married. Once a woman became married her property was no longer her own and her husband could choose to dispose of it whenever he thought suitable. You'd know these things if you cracked open a b… | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.First you say: These things would go much better if you had actual reasons for your beliefs, and made actual arguments. To which I reply I've done just that, over and over again. Then you say: Oh, you actually believe that crap? It's like I'm debating a 12 year old. Attributing random killers with no connection to the MRM of being MRA's and showing the movement supports violence? Those men were active, virulent anti-feminists. Additionally, this entire subreddit and movement is predicted on that… | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.I made a a ton of arguments and statements for my beliefs and the reasons why I hold these convictions though! Like I exceeded the 1,500 character word count more than once in doing so! This is a mad house were up is down and right is wrong. You have no idea what you're accusing me of whatsoever. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.No, only slaves and women were literal property. Have you ever cared to learn a little history, or are we just making things up now? | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 07:15 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.Saying men and women both live in society doesn't not imply they both run it. One group has clear power, one does not and is instead influenced and controlled by the dominant group. This like this are why women are considered a minority group | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 04:09 AM |
| 2 | Male privilege.It's funny how you make things a class issue when it suits you, and a gender thing when it doesn't. Thing is about that argument, even wealthy women were property. Sure, they had more luxuries than a poor wife, but they were seen and treated the same under the eyes of the law. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 03:35 AM |
| 0 | Male privilege.You're kidding me right now right? Want to address the abortion laws being restricted? Male politicians requiring transvaginal ultra sounds and 48-72 hour waiting periods to receive safe legal abortions? How about ending the Violence Against Women Act? Having Viagra covered under health insurance but not the birth control pill until a federal mandate was required only a couple of years ago? This is one of the more hilarious replies I've ever encountered here. I'm sorry, but you're entirely full … | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.I'm done with dealing with such willful ignorance and self delusion. It's unending and Sisyphean to continue to bother. I'm enjoying my family and am miles away from this thread. Have a good night. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 02:01 AM |
| -1 | Male privilege.Men are often placed at the head of the table in exchange for the responsibility they're saddled with. That exchange, "power" for safety, culpability for innocence, has been the social contract in most civilizations throughout our history. Yes, because women weren't allowed access to education, work outside the home, their own income, or her own property. She was the property. Hell, this held fast into the late 1960's when a woman still needed her father's or husband's signature to open a checki… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 11:13 PM |
| 2 | Male privilege.So you can just make unsubstantiated claims, but when I disagree with them I need citations? See, this is the rules of debate, when one makes assertions, they need citations to back up their claims. You asserted it's is biology when I stated that gender is a social construct and listed sources. I expect the same if this is an an authentic discussion. if you notice whenever men are jealous the reaction of women is "how dare he slut shame me or attempt to control my behavior, I should be able to f… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Male privilege.Awww you didn't read my comment history! It's full of stats and sources and facts and all kinds of other stuff you guys love to ignore. Does it get stuffy down there with your head int he sand all the time? :/ | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Male privilege.God, Solanis is trotted out every single time, yet you guys are totally OK with men like Thomas James Ball, Marc Lépine and Anders Brevik (who stated "It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matri… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Male privilege.I have been sitting here listening to all types of MRA arguments for over 12 hours now, take a gander at my comment history. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Male privilege.the constant media blitz, fully endorsed by mainstream feminism, encouraging people to think that men are inherently rapists, child abusers, and misogynists, thus carrying forward the idea that if a man doesn't suppress his inner nature such negative aspects will come out. I am very, very active in feminist circles and I have no clue what you're referring to here. Can you please give me a few examples? Are you confusing with people attacking men as a group for behaviors or men personally? Are yo… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 07:01 PM |
| -1 | Male privilege.You say that feminism seeks to end traditional gender roles, but feminism fundamentally failed to accurately describe what the gender roles were, in full. What? Are seriously asserting that you lack understanding of what is traditionally referred to as "masculine" and "feminine", and that feminism had been able to adequately decribe them? Ok, I guess it's time for some 101 masculinity, femininity, society has classed certain behavior by gender and made them oppositional to each other. Our modern… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Male privilege.A hate movement, did we watch the same trailer? The loving one that's concerned for our men and boys? And the audacity that you're here in an MR forum, classed as a hate group (you know people self immolating and threatening domestic abuse shelters) and have the nerve to use that language? Where are you getting your facts from? I'm curious where this sort of narrow minded double think comes from, honestly. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:45 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.Speaking as a guy, these feelings are not a result of anything pathological, they are just natural male feelings, that come largely from biology. Sorry to hear that you've accepted some pseudoscience somewhere along the line to believe that. Couldn't be further from the truth, and also citations please, I can wait. I have opened up to many women about my emotions, and they generally just see them as a problem, or think I am an asshole because sex is important to me and I am often in competition … | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:34 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.I actually am quite knowledgeable, sorry. I've actually you know, read books, attended lectures and been to conferences and had big ol' discussions with swathes of people on many issues regarding the basic tenants of feminism and beyond for close to 15 years now. I'm not some tween on Tumblr. And awesome Godwin's Law, I was waiting for that to happen here. Impressive. I wish you could see the smile on my face, that was really special. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:18 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.I doubt you would like a man whose feelings were those of extreme jealousy or insecurity and demanded that you always let him know where you were, or a man who insisted on having sex whenever he wanted because otherwise he didn't feel valued. Or what if a man's feelings were of being in competition with other men all the time, and so being macho was an expression of those feelings. Don't you see those are all ill side-effects of toxic masculinity? I'd address the feelings of extreme insecurity a… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:13 PM |
| -4 | Male privilege.Are you implying men don't run the world? Really? Look at those in power, who is making and enforcing laws globally? Who is setting norms and also enforcing them? Who always has? Who has written history, who has always had power? Who had had control of whats been printed and disseminated and now televised? Who has been writing our textbooks for hundreds of years? Who has created militaries and sent those men to fight? Who benefits from all of this? Maybe other rich and powerful men? And you're s… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:02 PM |
| 4 | Male privilege.Did you watch it? It said society many times over, both men and women live in society. So no, it did not say men were only responsible. It focused on boys using male voices because that's where the meaningful behavior policing comes from, but also where the so much of the solution lies. This film is about men and boys, and how men and boys can hurt, but more importantly help one another. This is conversation for them, and by them. The responses to this here have been incredible, nowhere in that … | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 03:33 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.You're contradicting yourself, first you're saying we're striving for "sexless, aggressionless [sic]" men that are "less than women" when in your other comment to me you said we still want "emotionless breadwinners" which basically leaves men being robots and is the opposite of everything I've said...It sounds like you don't have the first clue about what feminism actually is and are just creating absurd hyperbolic scenarios where it's responsible for every evil you can conjure. That would be li… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:14 PM |
| 0 | Male privilege.That's actually the opposite of what feminism endorses. Feminism seeks to end restrictive gender roles, so no, what you said of men being the unemotional provider type is a traditional gender role going back to Ancient Greece, for example. As for your other assertions about not marrying a man that made less, that's funny because I did just that. I supported my husband who worked as a guitar teacher and musician while I brought home a larger paycheck and benefits like health insurance from my cor… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 01:58 PM |
| -3 | Male privilege.You use the term "feminized" totally proving the point of the problem here. I've also got you tagged as a pedo apologist and flaming troll, so I'll consider the source of the rest of your absurdist rant placing all the evils of society on feminism as this documentary on the issues facing men and boys was made by feminists. I'll grow old seeing the same concern and real world advocacy from the likes of you. You're hilarious. Night night little troll. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:13 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.You used some weird car buying analogy. And repressing your emotions doesn't automatically mean that you're putting another individual before you, it just simply means that you're purposefully disassociating in an attempt to deal with life's stressors rather than talk it out. It's really annoying how you're saying that every suicidal person is some selfless martyr here, when the act itself is predicated on selfishness. I can say this as a person who has had their life saved in the ER from taking… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 07:17 AM |
| -5 | Male privilege.I never thought it possible for a person to miss a point so completely. The high incidence of violence, especially directed inward that young men struggle with is a direct result of the repression of emotion. You're told to buck up, man up, don't cry like a girl, come back and talk to me when you're a man, we talk this way to our kids. Why, because that's how you were talked to and on down the line, and it's literally killing you. Seeking help is a sign of weakness, talking it out is for women. … | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 06:52 AM |
| 2 | Male privilege.Acting her physicality and financial means than the message? She's also very highly educated and very politically active I digress, you're derailing the issue here. I want to know what would you say to those young boys in the film about the issues at hand? | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 06:20 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.You obviously didn't watch it. It's not attacking men or even masculinity, it's saying we can say men can be caring compassionate and strong. It is attacking toxic behavior that we choose to call "manly" as when boys behave in ways we term "feminine" (being affectionate, sharing feelings, showing emotional support) that feminine = bad somehow. It's saying boys need involved fathers and positive male role models. It says we shouldn't shame men for expressing emotion, it's saying that you're more … | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 06:12 AM |
| 0 | Male privilege.You offered me two links, one to a traditional conservative blog, and another to one calling feminists harpies yet you have the audacity to say you're seeking a logically-rigorous argument? quite far removed from the real relevant disagreement In what way? These are very real issues, as the video displayed, I work in education and I see boys struggle like this daily and it's heartbreaking. which arises from a more profound, philosophical divergence that can't be settled in a casual subthread Why… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 05:29 AM |
| 2 | Male privilege.I am not looking for links from others. And what about me are you referring to that says I am not interested in discussion when that's exactly what I've asked you for? It's not "sentimental propaganda", it's a film about issues specific to men and boys that need to change. It shows a problem and focuses on a solution. Why are you so afraid to share your own thoughts about this issue, why won't you even watch the trailer? I'm not some flaming troll here, I am looking for a non-confrontational con… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 04:54 AM |
| 6 | Male privilege.You're exactly what the film is addressing. Shaming men for acting like "women" upholding gender roles, policing other men. You know what would really impress me, if you watched the trailer, then continue this discussion. I'd love to hear your point by point critiques after you've seen it. I am serious, humor me? | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 04:14 AM |
| 7 | Male privilege.Why? I'm being civil, and promoting men's issues? It's not antithetical to feminism, as OP has illustrated with the image from a film about masculinity made by feminists and why we need to help our men and boys. I am here because OP posted feminist material, so... | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 03:45 AM |
| 2 | Male privilege.http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jensiebelnewsom/the-mask-you-live-in It's called The Mask You Live In, really hope you get a chance to watch. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:43 AM |
| -1 | Male privilege.The latter. And the goals are here http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jensiebelnewsom/the-mask-you-live-in, if you scroll down past the video. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:33 AM |
| 8 | Male privilege.That's actually the opposite of true. It's incredibly destructive to tell men and boys that being caring and outward with emotions is feminine and therefore bad and "not manly". When little girls act masculine and are tomboys, it's celebrated. When little boys act feminine and say, want to wear nail polish, that is shamed and pathologized and he's termed a Sissy or Nancy Boy. Men and boys entitled to be who they are, and not be squished into some narrow box of what a "man" should be. Did you wat… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege.Yes, I agree 100%, that's an excellent speech! Link Whoops, here's a working link to his TED talk http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:00 AM |
| 21 | Male privilege.The Mask We Live in is all about restrictive oppressive gender roles placed upon men and boys that alienate and depress them as feeling and displays of emotions are policed, typically by other men and how harmful that is when it manifests itself in suicide and violence. And gay men being bullied for being effeminate and not meeting rigid masculine stereotypes. This is how we hurt our boys and how we have to change it. This still, (oddly enough for this subreddit) comes from a feminist film. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/13 11:51 PM |
| 2 | Male privilege.How about you watch the trailer and then comment on the still that it's from. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/13 10:54 PM |
| 14 | Male privilege.It's from this film http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jensiebelnewsom/the-mask-you-live-in Really powerful trailer, and made by this org | /r/MensRights | 14/07/13 10:48 PM |
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