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I do agree with this but I think characterising it as some kind of active force is inaccurate. Imo feminism is outdated as a de facto theory of gender relations and doesn’t account for the role of women as social agents even as female oppression still exists. The way society works is more complex that the patriarchy now, and even though you can make qualifications to get feminism there, I think it’s unhelpful for the basis of gender discourse to be the idea of the patriarchy because it condition…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:37 AM
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Honestly sounds reasonable – you should probably be looking in academic circles though because that’s most likely where these women are. You do need to make sure you continue to communicate very very clearly about the child free thing though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:25 PM
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Honestly if I could see a man’s dick through his clothes I would be like LOL what is that doing here bc I think they look funny. But importantly! I would say anything to him about it, treat him differently, or expect him to change. Because! At the end of the day! I may find his mode of dress to be unattractive, but that’s his business and his business alone. Because he clearly didn’t dress for me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:40 PM
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Girl someone committing suicide is not directly someone else’s fault
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:26 PM
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Even modern day masculinity as a distinct idea. Like the existence of socialised gender categories and the social responses these provoke
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:03 PM
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I mean the modern day construction of masculinity. I actually don’t believe in masculinity and femininity as anything other than social constructs – the social and political binaries of gender and even biological sex are limiting our society imo and directly causing much of our social turmoil atm. But that’s for another day lol I’m just someone that doesn’t enjoy feeling bad things and the way I see it that’s generally within my power to decide. So I just decide not to and reframe. Works like 90…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:42 AM
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Growing up and existing as part of a female social structure where I am exposed to women’s thoughts and reactions to men on a daily basis. Close female relationships, casual acquaintances, gossip, etc. My point is that as a woman thst isn’t distanced from other women, I am able to get a sense of what women think about men based on a much wider base of different women and different men. Which allows me to get a more developed sense of what specifically about what some men do causes certain reacti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:18 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:14 AM
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I think ‘able to handle it’ is misleading. There is nothing unique about specifically male emotional expression other than the fact that it is not as normalised and the fact that it is more common that you have men express their emotions with the expectation/desire of help rather than just validation. Like more men that make their gf or wife their sole vehicle of emotional expression which is unhealthy and draining. And I think what you have described is not completely irrelevant in terms of gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:13 AM
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What other experience is informing your opinion? Making a claim is a bit harsh but I was talking more about the evidence base
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:15 AM
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They definitely have lol? Idk what you think I’m suggesting. But I think in this area they have evolved to be slightly more open to questioning traditional conceptions of masculinity and towards embracing male emotional expression. But I also think they have become more polarised – ie whilst you have a lot more women willing to embrace male emotional expression, you also have a bunch of women that have retreated into traditionalism as a response to men and refuse to entertain this notion whatsoe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:51 AM
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I’m not! But I do think that generally speaking, being a woman gives you access to these kinds of experiences. So unless you’re a woman that is particularly out of touch with other women, you’re going to have insight into women’s thoughts that men will not necessarily have
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:48 AM
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You are making a claim about what women think based on your experience of what women say, do, and convey to men. I am making a claim about what women think based on my experiences of what women think, from the perspective of another woman that has the ability to observe how they react to male emotional expression when not actively in the presence of a man. For example, my sister would appear to you to be very receptive and supportive regarding emotional expression. And then she would call me and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:47 AM
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No? I was just offering one example of the way that gender relations have evolved significantly since 2004
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:38 AM
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Lol my female friends also value my honesty. And I’m not rly talking specifically about what people TELL me once they are questioned and feel bad, but their instinctive and sustained reactions. Like, I know that my younger sister would react well outwardly to a man expressing his emotions to her, but internally would not enjoy the experience, because she doesn’t really like when anyone does this to her, including her female friends. My roommate is probably one of the women bell hooks is talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:36 AM
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And I agree that you don’t have to be something to have a level of knowledge about it! I would actually say that a woman raised by a single father with four brothers with no female friends is much less able to give insight on this topic than a man with four older sisters and a varied dating history. It’s about your level of immersion and experience, as well as the potential biases inherent to your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:19 AM
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You can tell what’s a brilliant movie and what isn’t because the people that are supposed to evaluate that are actually not the people behind the sets but the viewers (you). Although it is certainly true that someone with a comprehensive film education may be better equipped to critically evaluate a film in terms of its objective value than a casual viewer. Your analogy implies that you are the intended audience of women’s thoughts about male emotional expression, which is not true. You are cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:16 AM
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I’m willing to bet that you’ve never heard a woman honestly and openly talk about her view of men and their emotional expression in a manner that is not directly impacted by her awareness that you are a man The women that men emotionally open up to are also only a particular subset of women. It’s entirely possible that a woman’s personality or demeanour encourages men to do so and she becomes tired of being used as an emotional outlet. This isn’t a gendered consideration to do with her perceptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:07 AM
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I mean if that’s your take? But honestly PPD does not exactly inspire warm fuzzy feelings for men when your scroll through the posts. I’m all for political conversation but I feel that frustration doesn’t equal a lack of empathy. Also, this is reddit. I don’t think you can use that sentiment to make a wider claim about the notion of how women view male emotional expression. And keep in mind that you are currently telling me, a woman, what you think women think about male emotions. I can accept t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:05 AM
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Instagram is just one example. Social media is just one example, actually, but it has affected the social landscape dramatically. Increased exposure, tendency towards provoking reaction, etc. E.g. the concern about paternity fraud that seems to pervade gender discussions – the concern vastly outstrips its actual occurrence, which can be attributed at least in part to social media sensationalism
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:26 AM
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my social circle is broad enough for me to verify that at the very least it is true that there are a significant amount of women that don’t conform to your description of them. it is certainly true that this varies in different areas of the world. but I am refuting ‘most women’ here operating under the understanding that by ‘most women’ you really mean ‘this is true about women save for individual exceptions’, which I disagree with. what I am saying is that this is by no means representative of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:22 AM
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ah yes! you quoted renowned feminist bell hooks. more specifically, you quoted a passage of her book ‘the will to change’, published in 2004 – 21 years ago! but of course this must still be true. even though stuff like Instagram – which like it or not plays a huge role in shaping modern gender discussion as well as disseminating various points of views and provoking reactions – didn’t exist until 2010. women are not a monolith unfortunately. her observations may be completely 100% accurate for 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:17 AM
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I’m not sure if your response has as much objective epistemic weight as mine, but I can accept that it has weight insofar as you value your own experience and perceptions. Mine is also a personal take, but I would argue that it’s a personal take formed by a deeper and more sustained immersion in how and what women think (being a woman myself) than yours is. Similarly, I would accept that your experiential knowledge (as distinct from ideas gleaned from theory or other potentially manipulative sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:11 AM
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I’m willing to bet I have a broader evidence base than you do. The fact that I engage with women more frequently and more deeply outside of romantic and sexual setting also means that I have less bias (whereas you have to take into account the degree that women’s treatment of you is affected by your own behaviour and their perception of it)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:10 AM
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Okay, but I’m disinclined to believe that you’ve experienced most women, or that you have more insight into the minds of women than actual women. So your response doesn’t really signify
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:56 AM
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This absolutely isn’t true of most women. And I agree that there are women that do this, but idk what to say about that just don’t date them lol. If they aren’t capable of being a good partner that’s on them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:32 AM
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Yeah I have to agree. Obvs nothing is true for everyone but I think in general this is true – women take issue with the expectation that they will assume responsibility for emotional caretaking without the man making his own effort to emotionally better himself. If a woman is disgusted by a man showing emotion itself, and this is not to do with a general aversion to strong or intense emotion, then she is either using him or not worth it imo. There are plenty of women out there who love an emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:31 AM
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you’re not listening to me ! im saying that all of this wouldn’t necessarily have to be true if people (men!) could get some of these things (or at least more emotional support) from their friends. and even if all this is true romantic/sexual partnership is still not something that anyone ‘deserves’ or is entitled to
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:48 AM
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Tbh I call bullshit on your second point bc that just isn’t true – it might be true for you but it isn’t true for men anymore than it’s true for women. But with regards to your first point yes that was my whole point. I wasn’t trying to blame men for being emotionally guarded bc obviously it’s just a reaction to the societal values you grow up surrounded by. This being said though I also don’t think anyone besides men can actually really fix those social norms and make them more healthy. It’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:53 PM
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Not sure I explained myself very well. It makes total sense for men to play a significant role in female self image because for basically all of human history men have had political/financial/sexual power etc and women have had to cater to and rely on men for their safety/security/etc and even the general direction of their lives. Other than basic sexual desire and general empathy, there is really no motivation for men to care about women (especially when you consider all that history has done t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:04 AM
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I mean sure but I think the larger driver behind this is that men rely on women for the emotional intimacy and fulfilment that they don’t get from each other (whereas women can get this from each other). So yes you’re right but I don’t think women would play as large a part in male self image if they weren’t so dependent on them for emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:26 AM
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Ok show me the evidence for your stance then! Like scientific peer reviewed reliable evidence! Your claims are no more valid than mine except for the fact that I literally am a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:59 PM
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Ok bro whatever 😭 im telling you you’re wrong but there’s nothing I can do about that so be wrong and sad if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:58 PM
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Agree. And all of this biological reductionism is so indicative of our society’s decline into eugenics it’s insane and I hate jt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:55 PM
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I think it continues to be true lol. No one’s ‘promoting’ it. It’s not really a conscious thing imo. But posts like this are helpful because otherwise you get a whole bunch of men who are just not naturally right at the top getting into this redpill shit and being assholes and worsening their romantic prospects (and women’s romantic prospects lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:55 PM
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My favourite kind of man is a man with a sleeper build lol you think he’s cute and funny etc and then he’ll lift a bag or something and suddenly there’s forearms 🤭 LORD I see what you’ve done for others
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:51 PM
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Just because it’s dehumanising doesn’t mean it isn’t true. She wasn’t proposing a model of how we should assess men, just making an observation. Our society is pretty dehumanising. As an autistic girl who grew up not very attractive, it’s the same for women. I get away with a lot more quirky shit now that I’m pretty than I used to, and yet I still deal with the hangups and insecurities and mental toll that I was dealing with before.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:47 PM
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Agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:43 PM
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It literally is lol. What I’m saying is that the women OP is describing constitute like 30-40% of the female population. You can refute my examples and say they’re not evidence, and it’s true that I have no way of proving it to you. But the opposing point of view has no evidence to back it up either. Social media is a very specific subsection of society. If you don’t want to understand real women then you won’t understand real women. Idc anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:42 PM
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Ok girl 👍🏽 hope you have a great life rolling around in your bed mentally jerking off to your own misery and misanthropy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:40 PM
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It really truly is up to you. You can wallow or you can decide to be happier and do what you can to make your life better. I have compassion for people struggling. But there is a certain point where someone is willingly subjecting themselves to their own misery and mentally masturbating about how the whole world sucks and no one can be trusted and everyone is shallow and stupid blah blah blah
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:37 PM
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I need you to know that probably the reason you think this is because the people around you find this level of stubborn negativity really irritating and don’t want to be around it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:33 PM
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Do you not want evidence? I’m trying to tell you as a woman (that has infinitely more experience with women than someone who is not a woman) that your view of what women want is warped. And the very idea that you know what ‘women’ want is insane because not all women want the same thing and it’s an inherently asinine thing to talk about. Some women want to be tradwives. Some women don’t! Some women want big tall strong muscly alpha men! Some women don’t! What are you trying to say bro
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:30 PM
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Yeah just clarifying. I was using ‘you’ generally not specifically referring to you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:25 PM
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Ok me too and 😭 it doesn’t take a genius or a psychic to see which relationships are going to fail, just a good understanding of the people involved and decent pattern recognition. I literally do the exact same thing in my head and I’m always right. And yet! I’m not a miserable bastard sitting on my bed moaning about how no one can ever be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:24 PM
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I’ve met a few too. I don’t personally agree with them, but they exist. What exactly is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:20 PM
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Just because you don’t perceive someone as attractive doesn’t mean someone else is settling. This is kind of a disgusting thing to insinuate imo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:18 PM
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Whatever bro be miserable if you want. Think whatever you want about ‘women’ and ‘what women want’. I guarantee you that you have not a single clue
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:17 PM
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Women bending over backwards to accommodate their grumpy husbands and telling their children to rise above it, for example. Emotionally immature fathers and emotionally immature men are certainly socially normalised. Even as people become conscious of these things they continue to be normalised by mothers and grandmothers who tell little girls to just walk on eggshells around grumpy adult men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:15 PM
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Actually! They are not obvious reasons. The reason trans people are a huge discussion point is because certain people are disturbed by them and the government has manipulated people into thinking it’s a relevant issue when it is literally such a small percentage of the population. It’s literally all social media. Talking this much about things that are this rare and not something most people will have to physically encounter is not normal. I love and support trans people. And yet there is no rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:12 PM
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ok! believe whatever you want. you’re not better or more clearsighted than anyone else just cause you’re paranoid though, and you definitely won’t be happier for it. hope you get some therapy at some point or decide snap out of this jaded cynic phase xx
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:02 PM
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I wasn’t saying sociable and extroverted men are redpilled! I just mean I would prefer a dorky guy than a guy who compensates for and suppresses his dorkiness by getting all redpill/blackpill about ‘what women want’. It’s like when a guy is performatively calling you darling or love or good girl and I’m just like 😧 I’m okay actually 😐 Like maybe some women prefer a different kind of man to you but if this is the way you go about attracting women then NO woman is going to want you because they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:57 PM
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People raised in and exposed to toxic environments will continue to seek them out. This is often exacerbated for women because certain toxic environments are also socially normalised which means they are not prompted in the same way to evaluate this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:50 PM
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For real 😭 I barely have the energy for one man you could never catch me trying to cheat lmao. And you could not catch me forgoing a condom in this political climate LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:38 PM
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I’ve responded to the trust thing in another comment. But the reason I asked if this has happened to you personally is because the amount that this topic gets discussed is SO much more than it actually happens. Paternity fraud is nowhere near as common as you would think just from hearing about it on social media. It takes up a lot more of people’s brain spaces that it should
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:37 PM
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You shouldn’t blindly trust, obviously. But a healthy relationship has two people cultivating mutual trust in each other. You should both be actively establishing trust. And yeah, cheating sucks. But a healthy, loving relationship has to be entered into on a good faith basis. No one wants to date or marry someone that is just constantly waiting for them to turn out to be a piece of shit. It’s demoralising and unhealthy. It’s like women punishing men for things their ex did. It’s one thing to inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:35 PM
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But that’s not fair! Just because I’m afraid of insects and can’t deal with heat and don’t really find nature interesting?? I deserve for men to be attracted to me too! Men are so stupid and shallow and vapid and delusional and only want one thing Edit: this is satire
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:09 PM
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Don’t assume! I would love to date a soft spoken oofy doofy guy. Makes me feel safe and comfortable to get to know them for real rather than pressured to immediately reciprocate their intensity. And I would certainly hate to date a guy whose entire approach to dating me was based on what he thinks women as an entire gender want from men as opposed to his understanding of me as an individual person. Realness beats polish for me every time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:07 PM
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Imo this is a misguided take. Every woman I know has strong intuition and most women can tell when a man has something nefarious or off about him. The problem is when women dismiss this intuition to ‘be nice’ and are taught to distrust themselves and THEN they end up assaulted and murdered. Trust me women on dating apps can pick up on the fact that you think women are shallow and you’re bitter about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:57 PM
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THANK YOU. Women can also sense when men don’t like women and they (unsurprisingly) tend to stay away from that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:55 PM
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Who is ‘they’. You’re talking in generalisation without any evidence. You hear the bad shit online because less people are interested in hearing about happy stable relationships and they go less viral lol. This isn’t true of everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:54 PM
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Guys women aren’t a monolith 😭 I love geeks and I know plenty of women that also love geeks. Where do you think the men in glasses fascination came from 😭 not all women want an extroverted built up man?? I love me an introvert lol wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:53 PM
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Hi, attraction is attraction. Societal beauty standards are messed up! No one knows that better than women! I’m sure plenty of women would find you attractive. I am sorry you feel upset about the situation. But do you want other women to pretend or force themselves to be attracted to you just for the sake of equal opportunity? Would you be willing to do this for women? Attraction is shallow for some people – and for other people, it’s more complex. This is not a men/women issue I fear. And yeah,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:42 PM
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I’m not advocating for blind trust at all! I’m just saying people should know their partners well before they decide to get married and, while I totally understand people have trust issues (and would be willing to help someone work through that in a relationship if they told me from the outset that they struggled with that, depending on how much they would require from me), there are a lot of people in these comments that seem to think that they are entitled to their partner just being ok with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:28 PM
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No?? Why would anyone??? That would be insane
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:31 PM
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I actually support mandatory DNA testing for all babies (as a part of the routine process, not something that parents are charged for) because I have a genetic disorder that could have been spotted if I had undergone dna sequencing as a baby and made my life easier. If someone I had married and decided to start a family with accused me of paternity fraud, I would be extremely hurt and shocked. I’m not sure how bad it would have to be for me to actually leave, but in any case it would take a LONG…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:30 PM
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Not at all 😭 not by any data sampling standards. And just because the majority of women in this threat are not in favour of mandatory paternity testing does not mean they condone cheating or paternity fraud omg social media has wreaked havoc on society
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:24 PM
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Have you ever met a woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:23 PM
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this is such bullshit. if you really think this about women then why are you bothering to ever talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:20 PM
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LITERALLY
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:19 PM
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(Assuming you are married) do you actually believe your wife would ever go out and cheat on you and get pregnant and then lie to you that it was your baby? Like do you actually consider that a possibility, knowing her the way you do? If you aren’t married then whatever but I’m just curious if you are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:19 PM
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Requesting a paternity test is a choice. Someone feeling like the trust in your relationship is broken is the potential consequence. That is not ‘punishment’. You are not entitled to make people stay with you on YOUR terms. A relationship is two-sided and should have mutual trust. You cannot force someone to be in a relationship with you only on your terms and consider them worthy only when you can empirically verify it. And you cannot force someone to be ok with this kind of relationship if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:15 PM
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Oh my god this is INSANE. It’s not about avoiding accountability 😭 it’s that it’s a bizarre choice for you to marry or have a child with a woman you don’t trust. There are nowhere near as many women that cheat as you think there are. And no one said you had to date or marry or anything! If you can’t trust people, why do you want relationships with them?? Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:08 PM
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How is that what all cheaters say 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:06 PM
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Hey CSA is actually not as rare as you think it is. And paternity fraud (which is more serious than cheating) is not as common as you think it is either. Accusing someone of lying to you about paternity for your child is an extreme, emotionally charged claim with devastating consequences. All you’re demonstrating is that YOU can’t put yourself in other people’s shoes. Also! Sexual abuse has incentives. They aren’t rational because it’s a depraved and irrational thing to do. But sexual abusers do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:03 PM
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No one’s defending the innocent. It’s just bizarre to us that you’re so concerned about paternity fraud in a potential marriage?? Like in order for you to need a paternity test, your hypothetical wife would have had to go out and cheat on you, get pregnant, and then decide to lie to you that you were the father. Why would you ever be married to someone that you thought was capable of doing this? When you demand a paternity test, you’re essentially saying that you have no trust in that relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:01 PM
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It’s not about taking maternity for granted?? Why are you so paranoid that someone is lying to you that you’re a father? Has this ever actually happened to you? And why on earth would you want to be with a woman that you couldn’t trust was for sure not cheating on you? Why would you want to be with someone that you were even slightly concerned would do something like lie to you about paternity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:56 PM
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I AGREE!!!! I swear the amount people talk about this you’d think that every woman in the world has 3 children from 7 different men by the time she’s 25 😭 I don’t understand why this is such a huge point of conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:52 PM
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It’s such a weird response 😭 the way some men act like all women are cheating trash that wish evil things on men and finding a woman with moral integrity is so rare ?? I’m telling you there are not as many women that cheat on their partner as men think there are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:50 PM
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Guys I really don’t think this situation happens as often as you think it does. Like I understand it gets blown up on social media and all the male on male podcasts are constantly discussing it but I just don’t understand how there can be that many women making men take care of other men’s kids, and that many men getting girls pregnant and then bailing. There is simply no way that this happens enough to justify the amount people talk about this issue. You guys act like every man on earth will at…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:47 PM
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Ok. And? That doesn’t mean men DESERVE female affection. The same way that women don’t necessarily deserve male affection. The problem isn’t that men need more female affection. It’s that romance and sex are not predictable, reliable things that people are entitled to. And men rely too hard on these things for affection since they aren’t getting it from their friends. The real issue is that you guys need support networks to fall back on so that your girlfriends or whoever aren’t your entire sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 05:49 AM
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Also to add more onto this: I also think that when it comes to relationships, women get female validation for being loved. Like the thing that women LOVE to see and what will ensure female validation of your relationship is if a guy is actually in LOVE with you. So when looking for a relationship women focus on love and the markers of love – if they see wanting to buy them little gifts as a thing that expresses love, a woman might say she’s looking for a guy that wants to buy her little gifts. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:50 PM
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I think you’re misunderstanding my argument again! It’s not really about positions of power. What I’m saying is that men control what is socially normalised behaviour for men. Generally speaking. Obviously these gendered divisions in social behaviour vary with age and location and personality, but generally speaking there are socially normalised behaviours for women that are not socially normalised for men, and vice versa. And the way that behaviours become socially normalised is that socially i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:31 PM
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To be fair though, I think the general feeling is the idea that women hate what men represent. And like, this can be the case with men who hate women too. I’ve definitely met men that hate women and everything women stand for except they love their wife very much. I wouldn’t feel too good about the idea of a racist guy in a loving relationship with a black woman either tbh. So I get it. It probably isn’t much of a relief to hear that women resent men, but if you make a friend, she probably won’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:22 PM
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I’m just saying that the extension of that attitude applies to prison too. Like by deciding that some people are not worthy of your empathy and compassion you are effectively saying ‘these people are not like me’ and creating this illusion of separation. When in reality we are all just the same as each other and all of our issues are everyone’s issues. So extending your empathy and compassion to everyone – not that you have to do it all the time or never feel anger or hate or resentment, but bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:05 PM
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You don’t have to be friends with them. But everyone is a result of their circumstances. Sometimes there are other things that affect who they become. But you can’t just see everyone who does things you don’t agree with as fundamentally different from you and not worthy of your compassion or whatever. You can’t just ship people off to prison and forget about them. You have to figure out what led to it and take steps to stop it happening next time. I HATE how willing everyone is to just not claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:52 PM
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Yeah I get that. I think this is where the lack of male connection comes in though. Like no guy I know is up at 2am with the boys discussing the constructs of masculinity while they’re playing Minecraft. Whereas women absolutely do this with each other with regards to female identity. It’s hard to find yourself when you have no one to figure it out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:45 PM
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Yeah I just fundamentally think that this kind of attitude is everything that’s wrong with the world
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:39 PM
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Yes I agree that the conversation shouldn’t be about blame! It should be about getting everyone to work together to make our society better. But the fact remains that women can only do so much to change male social order. That kind of change has to come from men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:39 PM
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What do you mean by competition lol? But also that doesn’t negate the fact that boys need men to model healthy masculinity for them. Sorry people in your life failed you. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t the ones who should have helped
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:37 PM
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No it’s the governments job to provide people with a certain quality of life. A lot of poor people are poor because of decisions made by the government. That entitles them to some degree of providence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:36 PM
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There’s social consequences and then there’s erasing people’s humanity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:34 PM
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Yeah but you don’t get it. Having a broke ugly guy is a status symbol. Having a guy in general is a status symbol purely because it verifies that you are desirable to men. It doesn’t matter which men. People will just assume you picked him for personality. That’s the difference. If you have to pick a woman for her personality as a guy other men will laugh at you because they’ll be like, why couldn’t you get a hot one with a personality? Women might be like, ‘I don’t know why she puts up with his…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:30 PM
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To address the last point first: I think a lot of people identify as feminists and take the surface-level lessons from it without fostering the understanding/compassionate spirit and the critical thinking required to integrate a feminist perspective into a more comprehensive worldview, especially regarding contemporary issues (because the social landscape has changed significantly in the last five years or so). But I don’t think this properly represents the feminist ethos. And I also think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:25 PM
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No one deserves to be treated like trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:13 PM
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I’m going to answer the second part of your response first because I think it’s more important. It’s not that I see young boys as evil or as part of the division! It’s that young boys become young men and then adult men. And if you don’t show children how to be healthy in childhood then they grow into unhealthy adults. If you don’t teach children how to deal with and combat a society that is going to make them into unhealthy adults, you are doing everyone a disservice. It’s not that I see young …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:36 PM
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I was speaking from experience and using specific examples. You’re just saying hateful shit about women generally. Why are you on this sub if you hate it so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:58 PM
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The problem is that you’re thinking about this in terms of blame. I’m not bringing up male violence against women because I want to prove to you that men are bad or evil – if I were, then I would understand why you would want to respond by defending that. I’m talking about it because I want to fix it and women can’t do that without the help of men. Because boys and men NEED other men to SHOW them and MODEL healthy ways of existing as a man so that they can feel comfortable doing the same. When t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:56 PM
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I don’t know where this stat comes from. But I would be inclined to agree that men who lack male role models in their lives tend to seek male role models elsewhere. And these men tend to lead them down darker paths. I would also say this is true for men with emotionally distant or uninvolved fathers. Or repressed or abusive fathers. Because they don’t have anyone to model for them a healthy way to be a man. I literally have 2 male cousins whose father is a distant and emotionally/verbally abusiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:49 PM
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Ok so we’re back to the idea that women have no value in themselves and that their own happiness is pointless and ridiculous to pursue if they won’t make children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:40 PM
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Don’t fucking misquote me. I never said any of that. I said that men pass down their trauma to other men and continue to foster a conception of masculinity that makes men and boys feel unsafe to express and work through normal human emotion. But you’ve said so much disgusting stuff to me in your other replies that I know you’re coming at this from a bad-faith perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:38 PM
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Ok it’s clear you’re just a raging misogynist on every level lol. I think this would fall under contentless rhetoric, mods!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:35 PM
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Girl what 😭 this is a horrific thing to say. She was literally suffering from intense mental illness to the point where she was experiencing hallucinations and was convinced she had to kill her children and then herself so that they could be saved. And she was still asking for help and no one listened to her. How do you bypass empathy so quickly that you immediately call her disgusting? I guarantee you she is tortured with guilt ever day about that. She’s literally institutionalised for the rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:34 PM
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I’m more talking about the gendered difference I outlined in my response to the other commenter that responded to this comment – if you check it out that might be illuminating in terms of my message. What I’m really talking about is how women want male validation and men think they want female validation but actually also want male validation, and instinctively blame women for something that they didn’t really start in the first place. But using people or viewing people in a way that that compro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:30 PM
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1) every demographic of people is a victim of violence. I’m not saying that men can’t be victims of violence. But we’re talking here about gendered violence. Men perpetrating violence against women is relevant. So is the reverse. General violence that men fall victim to is irrelevant. It would be idiotic to say that men can never be victims of violence. You’re missing the point when you use that as an objection because the point is about how violence involving men and women is gendered in a way …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:21 PM
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Look, I’m sorry that happened to you. But you need to explain what you mean when you say education and the law and insurance is biased against men. And how that relates specifically to the fact that the people they screw over are men. Because where I stand, women have to work harder to be taken seriously in an educational setting and are expected to educate their male peers to an unfair extent. From where I stand, women don’t even have basic bodily autonomy in many places around the world and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:57 PM
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I appreciate how well thought-out your response is and that you meaningfully engaged with what I said. Men create masculinity for themselves because women can’t teach men what it means to be a man. Women tend to be the primary and sometimes sole emotional caregivers, which is a PROBLEM! Because yes, women can influence their children. But there are things and experiences they can’t understand or speak to – which could be complex or incredibly simple. Something as trivial as how to dress cool as …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:51 PM
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This is true to an extent but there is very much a gendered difference. Women sometimes treat having a man as a status symbol. The very fact that they have a boyfriend or a husband is valuable because it means that some man finds them worthy/desirable/attractive. Yes, women find certain men more attractive. But at the end of the day, even an ‘ugly’ man is a status symbol – because it’s not about what kind of man he is, it’s about male validation for its own sake. Men treat having an ATTRACTIVE w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:55 PM
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I could never live like this and I don’t understand why it’s normalised for men to have such a lack of platonic support. I have faced extreme loneliness and isolation in my life and I hated it so much that I think I will go the rest of my life afraid of getting back to that place. Believe me, I understand. But do you see how the problem is a lack of connection and not necessarily the fault of women? Men are forced to rely on women for emotional connection because they can’t rely on men. But that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:44 PM
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What this comment misses is that we are all human beings living in the same world. It’s not about helping one gender at the cost of another. Also, it’s hard for feminism to reach men and even a lot of women because the legal and financial systems support other agendas and men value the opinions of men more than they do women. But for example: feminism has brought the concept of ‘toxic masculinity’ into the cultural lexicon. This term has been twisted and misunderstood and manipulated by right wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:37 PM
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How??? Be specific so I can respond
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:23 PM
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How exactly is the struggle in finding good women? Believe me I have male friends who I talk to about actual shit. I’m not out of tune with young men. What struggle specifically are you talking about and how have you linked that to a lack of good women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:23 PM
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I don’t really understand the tone of this comment. You seem to have no issue with this whatsoever going by the content of your answer – because yeah, women with high standards will find men who meet these standards or they might not. Women with low standards might find men that suffice but they also might make themselves miserable in the process. Fiction is fiction. Most women’s real life standards are much lower than anything in fiction. But the idea of a ‘slow suicide’ seems to suggest that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:21 PM
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And feminism isn’t actually about blaming every for the historical or contemporary actions of men as a whole. It’s about realising how men are perpetuating oppression and asking them to help women deconstruct it. Not because it’s their fault. Because our society gives them a privilege and position that we don’t have, that they can use to help women AND men more effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:08 PM
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I understand why you would say this. But what I think you don’t understand is that when women say they hate men, they’re really referring to the constructs of masculinity and not actual individual men (even if various individual men have inspired this hatred). A good analogy is a black person from 30 years ago who may have said they hate white people. Say they’ve grown up witnessing police brutality and getting slurs thrown at them by white people when they walk down the street. Is it any surpri…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:06 PM
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Yeah babe BECAUSE OF MEN. Women give a shit about men’s mental health because women HAVE to give a shit about men’s mental health because no one else does. When you see women online talking shit about men’s mental health it’s because men come to the WOMEN in their life for that shit because men aren’t capable of supporting them. The reason people give a shit about women’s mental health is that since forever ago society has invalidated women’s concerns and seen them as crazy. Of course people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:46 AM
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This is an idiotic take. Men are not a monolith and neither are women. White people pioneered slavery and colonialism and created many of the wounds of racism that are felt today. This doesn’t mean all white people or even most white people are evil racists. It just means that white people (being the ones who created and are largely in control of our society) have a significant part to play in dismantling that system. It’s literally the same thing with men and women. You are not all men. You (ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:32 AM
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It’s not about that though. Women are frustrated with having to be responsible for men’s feelings. Obviously in a relationship you have the right to ask for or expect a certain level affection from your partner (as long as this doesn’t veer into harassment). But why can’t you get your male friends to hug you?? Why don’t men give each other platonic cuddles? My female friends do and we’re all the happier for it because we experience love and connection and support from our friends. Men don’t have…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:00 AM
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Another example: in job searches, women’s appearances and likability still factor heavily. People will hire men for their competence and even make excuses for them being grumpy or rude because if they’re good at what they do it doesn’t matter. If women aren’t likeable and pleasant and nice to be around, people rail against them for being rude and unpleasant. A woman who acts the same as a man in a professional setting might be labelled an ice queen or a bitch whereas the man is called profession…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:57 AM
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Women’s symptoms get downplayed and dismissed by doctors. Pain is treated as a normal part of the female experience. Women aren’t listened to by the medical establishment and go YEARS undiagnosed and unsupported living with unbearable pain from conditions like endometriosis or PCOS or PMDD. There was this news story a couple years back about a woman who murdered her three children and when they looked into it they found out her postpartum depression was so bad she had been driven to a psychotic …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:50 AM
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Yeah but misandry isn’t really the same thing as misogyny. Misandry is a surface level reaction of ‘hatred of men’. Misogyny is the hatred AND OPPRESSION of women. Because misandry is a reaction but misogyny is a function of a patriarchal social order. The reason I say that they’re different is because misogyny is a lot more than just hatred of women. Whereas misandry isn’t really anything more than hatred of men. So most of the issues actually experienced by men are not because of misandry but …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:45 AM
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What does this mean
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:35 AM
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No baby the patriarchy does not place women as morally superior to men. The patriarchy is the idea that our society is run by and controlled by men. This doesn’t make all men EVIL. Or make women superior. It means that we have to recognise we are all being oppressed by male constructs of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:35 AM
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Feminism is women first because men don’t understand or want to understand female issues so women have to look out for each other because men won’t!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:33 AM
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That isn’t true though 😭 women SAY stuff like ‘men aren’t shit’. They do NOT hate all men in practice. It just isn’t true!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:31 AM
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Yeah but women aren’t causing men to kill themselves 😭 people kill themselves because they haven’t been taught healthy ways of dealing with shit. More men killing themselves is not because women are being bitches. It’s because they haven’t been taught how to deal with the pressures of modern masculinity and existing in the world. And because men treat suffering as weakness and don’t actually put effort into helping each other heal. When women go through a breakup or get depressed cause they’re s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:26 AM
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You guys are also talking about misandry as if women are the source of male oppression. Some women say hateful things about men, sure. But the actual source of male struggles is the impossible standards of masculinity created by OTHER MEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:20 AM
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Of course they BELIEVE it benefits them. Women are taught that their worth depends on the attractiveness to men to such a degree that even lesbians I know feel the need for men to think they’re attractive. And men use women as status symbols because it gets them the approval of other men and they get a status boost. And they believe that in order to be a big strong masculine man they must be able to secure an attractive woman. But these attitudes don’t benefit anyone ultimately. And people don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:19 AM
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I think characterising it as misandry is disingenuous because this line of thinking where women can’t hit men and men being DV or SA victims is ridiculous is ALSO perpetuated by men. It’s men who teach men that showing weakness is bad and it’s men who laugh at the idea that a man could be SAed or abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:16 AM
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No cause that would imply that women are the main perpetrators of crimes against men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:13 AM
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I’m so sorry what do you mean which gender gets hurt the most from the other gender’s hatred? Did you miss the part where most women have experienced some form of sexual violence? Like actually the majority of women have been sexually violated in some way. And you want to tell me men hurt more from thinking women hate them? I’m not trying to say all or even most men are evil. What I am trying to say is that the problem is not that people are hurting your feelings. It’s that people aren’t teachin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:12 AM
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Yes and this is not women’s fault. This is the fault of the people that didn’t teach them how to 1) have empathy for people and 2) deal with their feelings to prevent them becoming hostile. Saying that it’s only men that bear that responsibility would be disingenuous. But it’s not PRIMARILY women that bear that responsibility. The burden of that should not fall on women as a whole but on the people involved in those young boys’ lives and on the men that encourage this line of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:06 AM
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This line of thought is pretty messed up. No one should be expected to be ‘grateful’ for basic human rights. I understand being grateful to a certain individual (be they man or woman) for helping you get those rights, but men as a whole do not get to wield this idea that women should be ‘grateful’ to them just because they have a certain number of rights now. That’s like if white people told people of colour to be grateful to them because they gave them freedom from slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:02 AM
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About the last point specifically: toxic masculinity IS something that men create for themselves. Masculinity in general is something men create for themselves. The idea that this makes men inferior to women is bizarre and I have no idea where you got that from. Because the fact of the matter is that a lot of female beauty standards are perpetuated and exaggerated by women! The fixation of beauty may have originated with men, but the extent to which women are insecure about the shape of their no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:59 AM
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You guys are missing the point because your feelings are hurt. When people say ‘men do x’ it is not because they are accusing you or accusing all men. It is because the FACT that the individuals they’re speaking about are men is RELEVANT to the crimes they commit. Because men are taught to lash out at and blame women and are not taught to deal with their feelings. For example, I might say, ‘anorexics often work out excessively’. Not all people who work out excessively are anorexics. Not all anor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:53 AM
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Can you explain this? I don’t understand your reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:47 AM
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Of course it doesn’t mean they’re not victims! It means that men make up the majority of people perpetrating violence against other people. Which is a problem!! Because men have to be taught to deal with things without resorting to violence!!! And by the way men SHOULD have some kind of brotherhood butterfly feeling for other men. Maybe then yall would be less lonely instead of expecting women to pick up the slack
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:46 AM
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Ok and 😭 as they should??? The fact is there is still a large number of men killing women and this shouldn’t be a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:43 AM
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OP literally used it in the post so the comment was just replying to tjat
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:43 AM
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men are not driven to suicide by women 😭. I don’t think you realise how insane this comment is. NO ONE is driven to suicide by anyone else. People commit suicide because they aren’t equipped to handle the things that are thrown at them. If a man commits suicide because women don’t want them and that’s tied into their self worth, that’s not the fault of the women. It’s the fault of the people (other men) that taught them to tie their self worth to their ability to get a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:41 AM
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How is it gynocentric 😭 women are still discriminated against on every level. You may feel like you run into more rhetoric about men but trust me that is not supported by the actual structure of society. You just don’t realise it because you’ve never had to encounter institutional oppression on the basis of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:38 AM
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Have you not heard of the wage gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:37 AM
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You can tell that misogyny came first based on the differences between misogyny and misandry. Misandry is literally just women on TikTok saying they hate men. Misogyny permeates every level of our society, institutionally affects both men and women, and leads to fucking Reddit posts like this that seem to think women are at fault for being raped and murdered in their masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:36 AM
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This is disgusting. Rape or murder is NEVER justifiable reaction to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:34 AM
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Hey friend! So if misandry means that women say shit about men and misogyny means that men rape and kill women, misandry is not the problem! You can say misandry hurts men’s feelings. You can also say misogyny hurts women’s feelings. Both of these things are bad. But let’s be clear. It is NOT women’s fault that they are being raped and killed by misogynistic men. Misandry is a response to misogyny and ONLY a response to misogyny – women say stuff like ‘I hate men’ BECAUSE they’re being assaulted…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:32 AM
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I mean I’m not a man but I would guess that it’s just behaviour that has been passed down? Like just internalised from the things men say to each other And no one benefits from this arrangement LOL. That’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 10:33 PM
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Yeah because your politicians are probably spending your money badly. What taxes SHOULD be used for is stuff like free healthcare or social welfare for disabled people (because anyone could become disabled at any point, and everyone who reaches a certain age will need physical help!) or other things that help you and the people around you achieve a better quality of life. Instead it’s being used to further the interests of a specific group of people and fuck everyone over. But social welfare is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:32 PM
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This is the exact issue though. Men use women as status symbols. If you’re the kind of woman that is desired by men, then it doesn’t really matter to other girls what you do – the reality is that women would judge the vampire werewolf girl for being weird, because being weird is undesirable. Men don’t judge other men for being weird if they have a hot wife or girlfriend – they don’t care about being desirable, but about getting results. This isn’t healthy!! Men viewing women as status symbols ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:26 PM
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Yeah but the issue here is that the experience of yearning for the love of a good man is a normalised female experience because we have been taught all our lives that this is the ultimate goal and that we should all dream of our weddings because that’s when we’ll achieve fulfilment. What is normalised for men is to use women as status symbols. Men are ridiculed for yearning or wanting or lusting after a 2D waifu because that implies that they can’t ‘get’ a girl in real life. Men are also ridicul…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:18 PM
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Guys I’m so sorry but yes, there are higher expectations for men. Because women have choices now! And standards! I hate to break it to you but women have been experiencing this forever – competing with fictional women (plastic surgery, p*rn, etc) and being held to impossible standards. It’s not something I would wish on men but the fact is that this was inevitable. The battle now is teaching men (and continuing to teach women) how to deal with these expectations. Also I hope people try to rememb…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:01 PM
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And by the way taxes and social welfare benefit everyone of those taxes are being spent well by the elected officials
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:54 PM
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No one wants a matriarchy! Lolol. That’s not the alternative to the patriarchy. The government fucks everyone over. But it also supports and upholds the existing social order (which is patriarchal). The way to eliminate the patriarchy is for men (and women, though women have been doing it for far longer out of necessity) to question and eliminate the constructs of masculinity (and gender in general). And then to implement those changes legally. The government generally fucking people over is a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:53 PM
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I fully agree with you that people see what they’re doing and can’t properly put themselves in other people’s shoes. I also promise you I’m not projecting – I was just trying to emphasise my point. I think the root of a lot of gender issues right now is that there’s a huge gap between the male and female experiences and that people don’t particularly want to understand others. But I think a lot of the narrative is being pushed by redpill men and the like. I think women have always been taught ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:33 PM
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Yeah but this is what I’m saying. The patriarchy hurts men AND women. But the system is controlled by men and has to be dismantled by men. And the fact of the matter is if you want to change the child support shit you have to also change the attitudes that the female bias in family courts comes from. And right now there’s no hope of that happening because we are experiencing a huge regression into traditional gender roles. ‘Traditional gender roles’ are literally the root of the problem. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:56 PM
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Yeah you’re projecting though. I’m not talking about your mother or your feelings for her! Or even about abuse. I’m talking about how the presumption that the courts make about women is founded in the deeply corrupt attitudes of a society that expects us to sacrifice our own personhood for the sake of our children. I’m not talking about your abusive mother. I’m talking about women with severe postpartum depression that get no help until it’s too late and are driven to a psychotic break while won…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:43 PM
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Can you look up the percentage of step dads and boyfriends being forced to pay child support for children who aren’t theirs? From a reliable, impartial source?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:28 PM
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How do you know the abuse allegations were made up? Because he said they were?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:27 PM
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I can see what you’re saying in this specific example! But I would be interested to see how many of those stats are from reliable and accurate sources and how many are overblown or misleading. Also, this doesn’t mean the rest of society is becoming anti-male. It just means that family courts are biased towards women. Because the contemporary increase in behavioural expectations from men and fathers – e.g. that dads should provide emotional support and not just money – is out of sync with the law…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:25 PM
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That’s kind of the point. It’s lowkey hot when someone cares enough about something that they don’t care what other think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:02 AM
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True (in my opinion)! Women do like when have passions though. So if you’re super nerdy about cars…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:47 PM
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You have a little bit of a point. But I would dispute the idea that 90% of men are invisible to me. Just because I’m not interested in fucking someone doesn’t meant they’re invisible. I still treat all people like human beings and respect them as such. On the flip side a lot of unattractive women really don’t exist for men and they don’t treat them with respect or even as worthy of attention. Not sexual attention either! As someone who’s been ugly and pretty at various points in my life I can te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:10 PM
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ok bro
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:46 PM
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yeah but you're wrong. I know plenty of women that have slept with or dated 'average men'. I can count on one hand the number of boyfriends I've met that could be considered 'hot'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:43 PM
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I don't think you're correct tbh. I think this kind of gender split exists because women with low self-esteem will often take anyone whereas men only want the kind of women the patriarchy approves of. to a certain extent any woman who isn't considered 'hot' doesn't really exist to men. I've met men who whine and whine about how no woman wants them but the only women they consider worthy of going after are women who have many other better options. also women don't want to fuck men that whine abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:42 PM
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I think that’s because there’s generally a trend where a lot of men who don’t really respect women will treat them badly unless they are in love with them. So when men only want hookups that’s associated with men not valuing women in general for anything other than sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:17 PM
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Idk what you mean by sexual abundance but most women are not having anywhere near as much sex as you think they are
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:14 PM
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Just cause it’s a slow burn doesn’t mean it’s so-so. You can be insanely attracted to someone even if it takes you like a month to get there. I never felt a single thing about Joe Thomas until I was watching taskmaster and this happened
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:13 PM
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ChatGPT is a terrible source but I would say that if this is true this is because women have had a LOT more time to dissect male beauty standards for women because they’ve existed for a LOT longer. Female beauty standards for men are a lot more recent. If you actually look at female treatment of beauty standards in the past a lot of it mirrors how men react now imo – because for men it’s just more recent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:47 PM
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Trust this experience is the same for women vs autistic women too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:44 PM
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But I promise you the genetics thing is bullshit. Like I understand the scientific aspect of it but that kind of gender divide does not function socially. People who push that rhetoric remind me of social Darwinists from the 1800s saying that non-white people are scientifically inferior bc of the shape of their skulls/stage in evolution or something. Which just ended up being racism
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:42 PM
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I think it’s just more socially normalised for women to be insecure because of how men (not necessarily you but men as a whole, over time) have pushed and controlled the beauty standards for women. Women generally having a ‘choice’ in which man to date is much newer because for most of history the man chose the woman and the woman had to go along with it because she had no rights and had to marry in order to be socially accepted. So men having appearance-related insecurities that specifically re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:37 PM
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Yes! But: a) not everyone finds the same things attractive, and b) there are attractive men who are dicks – they might get more pussy but that doesn’t mean that they are objectively desirable as partners. Just cause a guy is attractive and gets pussy doesn’t mean that’s who you should model yourself after
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:30 PM
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I feel like it’s just a rejection response. The reason women don’t reject and hate all men after being rejected is because if they did this they would lose social currency etc. Because whether or not a man actually wants you you have to pretend that it’s a possibility in order to be socially satisfied or whatever. Like for example you can be the fat girl in a group of skinny girls who all have boyfriends but you can’t let on that you’re insecure or have a complex about it because then that makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:08 PM
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What ulterior motives? Are you assuming that when women make friends with men, the men want to date/fuck them (meaning that the ‘ulterior motives’ of the woman is that she doesn’t want to date/fuck the man)? Because this is problematic in a lot of ways. I would think that people (either men OR women) that make friends with people with the intention of dating/fucking are the ones with ulterior motives
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:59 PM
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I do not think this is all women or even most women. As a woman myself I can tell you that you are wrong. I’m sorry that this is what you’ve encountered but this is not correct. What I WILL say – from the perspective of an autistic woman that is extremely high-masking and thus has a detailed understanding of social dynamics between women vs men – is that women care a LOT more about what kind of person you are and what your energy is when choosing their friends. So they are probably more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:57 PM
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Oh my god 😭😭 women who hate trans people just hate trans people. It has nothing to do with men cause cisgender men can just come into bathrooms whenever they like without being dressed as women. They literally just hate trans people. But when they’re on about female spaces in general it’s because there are a lot of violent crimes committed by men. It’s not that all men are evil. It’s not even that most men are evil. It’s that women don’t know which men are going to assault them. And the likeliho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:08 AM
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I don’t even think I can have this conversation. It has everything to do with feminism. More specifically, abortion legislation has everything to do with feminism. But I don’t have it in me to explain that to you lol just tell me you don’t understand feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:05 AM
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Okay and?? Different strokes (lol) for different folks. Do you think that all women have the same size vaginas? Or that women are attracted to/have sex with you solely based on penis size? Trust me for most women it barely factors unless it’s abnormally small/large (which 5 inches definitely isn’t) or they’ve never seen a penis irl before Personally dicks kind of freak me out. Like I find them kind of ugly. I distinctly remember being surprised irl by male pubic hair bc it had never occurred to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:02 AM
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There is literally only one man whose penis length I actually know and I can’t remember how or why he told me. I’m pretty sure it was like 6 inches. And he’s 6’5”. So I really truly have no opinion. I guarantee you most women will have no idea how long 5 inches is
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:00 AM
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When did I say that 😭 I’ve literally never had penetrative sex I wouldn’t be able to tell you LOL. I don’t even know how long five inches is cause I have terrible perception of measurements 😭 all I’m saying is every woman I know who has had sex with multiple men will tell you there is such a thing as too big and it varies from woman to woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:57 AM
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I’m sure your environment factors into that as well (idk where you’re from). Where I’m from most of the women that care are either older, have never really watched or engaged with porn, or care about the sex and human trafficking issues
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:55 AM
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Oh god. So many
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:53 AM
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Yeah the goal is to make feminism unnecessary 😭 it’s just that in order to do that men have to get on board with it lol. And it remains necessary. If you’re about to tell me feminism isn’t necessary anymore than truly fuck off because you just don’t know anything. And the soviet union was a piece of shit because totalitarianism directly opposes the communist and socialist spirit. But feminism is about helping women. You just don’t care to understand feminist issues. If terf republicans were actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:52 AM
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Also your user flair is so fucked that I have to question what your family is like to produce you and a girl that hates porn. Like
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:50 AM
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Idk man it sounds like she’s just encountered a few porn obsessed assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:48 AM
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Did I say that? Lol! I did not! It’s not that women like watching other women be submissive. It’s that they focus on the female pleasure in porn. And this whole discourse that feminists love traditional gender roles is such bullshit derived exclusively from a subset of women online that love to talk about how men should pay for dinner and this and that and whatever. The only women I have ever met irl who think that are: a) Arab, b) flat broke (and going out on a date with a man they know has fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:45 AM
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Yeah it revolves around women because they see women as a channel for their discourse and not as actual people. The same way men use hot women as status symbols – a woman will date an ugly man but a lot of men will not date a woman that other men will think is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:36 AM
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IM CRYING cause that’s literally what he’s done
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:34 AM
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Man oh man 😭 touch grass my friend. Talk to women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:33 AM
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I think certain women online tend to talk about porn because it’s a hot topic. And women with radical views on it tend to be the ones speaking on it. 80% of women I know dgaf about porn. But no woman that doesn’t care about porn is going to get online to talk about porn. Stop getting your info based on your impressions from the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:33 AM
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The republicans are NOT crypto-feminists LOLLL their party stance literally implies that women are incubators 😭😭😭 oh my god i hate Reddit so much sometimes They just prey on people who hate certain groups of people more than they want good things to happen. Republican TERFs are not feminists. They’re transphobes. They’re people who hate trans people more than they care about women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:29 AM
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Babe this is literally Reddit. Meet women irl
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:28 AM
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How old is your sister thiugh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:27 AM
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Personally I wouldn’t want to know or have it done in my presence cause I feel like that’s kind of disrespectful. Like don’t check out another woman if I’m right next to you. I kind of feel like following/interacting with horny insta accounts is the same thing cause it’s public. I would extend the same respect to someone I was dating But also I find it so odd that you label all this stuff as male sexuality. Like. Women check out men too. Women follow men just cause they’re hot or shirtless somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:25 AM
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I wouldn’t like it if my boyfriend was looking at or getting off to a specific woman. Like an onlyfans or Instagram account or something. I also wouldn’t like it if they had nudes of other women that were sent to them because that’s a lot more personal and intentional. I would feel weird discovering they had saved porn to their phone – both because I feel like that implies some kind of questionable content that can’t be on the internet and because that’s kind of weird/creepy. But if I found porn…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:20 AM
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The difference is that (this is backed up by several studies if you google it) when women watch porn they put themselves in the place of the woman. They don’t care about the guy in the video the way the men who watch porn care about the woman in the video. But the way a lot of porn is set up is with the male version of this in mind as opposed to the female version. There’s a lot of women putting themselves on display for the male gaze that the female viewer is not as riveted by. Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:17 AM
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But the problem there is that male self-worth is attached to sex. The problem isn’t women. It’s that other men have taught you guys that if you can’t get pussy you’re a loser. That’s not true! And btw, female self-worth is also attached to sex. But the problem isn’t that certain men won’t have sex with ‘ugly’ women. It’s that women think that their worth is defined by their ability to attract a man (because men have taught them that since the beginning of history).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:11 AM
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The reason this happens is because men (not necessarily you, but male authority/guidance as an institution) have taught women to be ashamed and insecure of their sexuality. Women find it hard to take the first step because we are taught that our entire worth hinges on our desirability to men and if we are rejected that means we are ugly/undesirable. I understand men feel the same way to an extent, but you have to understand that institutionally, being ugly/undesirable is the kiss of death for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:08 AM
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Bro. OBVIOUSLY women don’t like it when their boyfriends are literally ogling another woman. By the way, men get offended the same way! I know men who have broken up with their girlfriends because they were leaving horny comments on other guys’ videos. Are you telling me you wouldn’t be upset if you were walking down the street and your girl glanced at some guy’s dick? Come on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:02 AM
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No! Women get turned on by men too, regardless of whether they like them back. They just don’t make it that guy’s problem. Men make it women’s problem when they’re attracted to them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:00 AM
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Babe DMing people is also making it visible in public. What women are disgusted by isn’t male sexuality. Women have sexual impulses too. Men have NO idea how horny women are. D you want to have some inkling you can scroll through literally any TikTok comment section for evidence. Male and female sexuality isn’t inherently different. Women just keep it to themselves and don’t make it the PROBLEM of someone they’re attracted to. When men are attracted to a woman they feel it is their right to make…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:58 AM
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Ok but women have also been gaslit by men (who apparently are all insecure about their penis size??) into thinking that bigger = better. If you talk to any women with actual sexual experience she will tell you there’s a sweet spot. There are women who literally experience pain from like cervix bruising because their partner’s penis is too large. That’s not an enjoyable experience lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:50 AM
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Women find men watching porn repulsive because if you’re not aroused by porn it is objectively repulsive to look at. If you step back from the haze of arousal and evaluate it objectively it’s like so warped and disgusting to look at. As a broader category women are also disgusted by the exploitation involved in the porn industry. But as a woman I’ve watched porn and even enjoyed it – I just can’t take the studio stuff because I find it hugely off-putting. AND I’m not disgusted by men watching po…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:47 AM
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