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Question For MenUniverseCatalyzed/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:19 PM
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Not having kids helps my country's future. Have you seen the cost of housing? More people needing food and shelter isn't helping the country right now. Yes boomers might not have a massive servant class of impoverished young people to abuse with their wealth during retirement, but that's of their own making. They will just have to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:04 PM
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No, my point is that women are exercising their agency by dumping men who treat them like bangmaids but that reason makes some men mad, like OP
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:44 PM
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So the point of AWALT is that all women don't want to be treated like bangmaids? Wow leave it to redpillers to create a demeaning acronym for something everyone else can see is just plain common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:16 PM
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The point is they break up because the man wants a bangmaid, and then the man posts on Reddit about how she was a bitch and AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:39 PM
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Housing costs only rise to that level because people buy houses then immediately start voting for anti-building, anti-prosperity laws like restrictive zoning to protect the value of their investment. It's a supply-side issue. If we told the NIMBYs to go fuck themselves and make building housing legal (such a no-brainer) there would be no housing crisis. Several studies have confirmed this, for example this study of four jurisdictions that relaxed residential zoning requirements and let the marke…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:28 PM
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Imagine changing your personal philosophy and viewpoint of the world based on dating success rather than clearheaded first principles thinking. Couldn't be me Then, imagine if first principles thinking doesn't lead you to the conclusion that everyone should have the same rights and opportunities, even if they have a vagina. Aka, feminism.
/r/BlackPillScience12/11/23 01:40 AM
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No thought for the Ukrainian men? Just want to fuck their wives and girlfriends because it gets your dick wet? That's one reason men feel alienated - there's no male gender solidarity like women have female gender solidarity. Men will do terrible things to each other if they think it will get their dicks wet. Women won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:01 AM
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Yea bro let me just fire up chatGPT on a date so I can feed it everything she says and read the response back to her off my phone, sounds super sexy. Charisma is truly obsolete
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:12 AM
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Not great advice in a modern economy, you're much better off finding something you're very good at and doubling down on that thing. If you're a lawyer billing $500 an hour it doesn't make sense to learn how to fix your car when you can just pay a mechanic $50/hour to do that. If you're building a software business worth millions of dollars it doesn't really make sense to take months out of the year to halt your work and grow your own corn. Being average at everything is a good way to get beaten …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 11:48 PM
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You're a moron if you think getting robbed is the victim's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:08 AM
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yea but you realize normal guys don't really think or worry about getting cucked right? Some men definitely have a preoccupation with the idea that seems very similar to a fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:34 AM
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In your mind a woman wanting a man who lives on his own (presumably like she does) is the same level of unreasonableness as a man wanting only women half his age?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 01:27 PM
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Prostitutes were always shamed by the patriarchal leaders, even as they used their services. There has never been a time in history where sex work was considered a noble or even just non-shameful profession.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:47 PM
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For most of human history kids worked in the fields or family cottage industry (sewing, blacksmithing etc.) from a very early age. They were basically free labor for the parents, economic gains. Modern kids need massive investment from the parents in development to 18 and even post-18 for college tuition. They are now economic costs. This is why rich countries have less children than poor ones. As a society gets wealthier, having children in that society transitions from being economically benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:14 AM
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"stop infantilizing people who jump from the factory roof. Nobody is exploiting those people, they chose to work in the sweatshop."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:12 PM
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People don't like passport bros for the same reason they don't like sweatshops. Economic exploitation of the developing world by the wealthy is icky and even more icky when that exploitation is done for sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:39 AM
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Or basically 1 billion Muslims right now in 2023
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:37 PM
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I agree people have different moral values. Some people think women showing their hair is the same as nudity. My point is more to clear up the mistaken justification that setting conditions for what your partner is allowed to do in a relationship is the same as setting boundaries for what you're willing to do. They are different concepts and conflating the two is just an attempt at justification of control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:35 PM
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It sounds to me like most people here think making demands on your partner to change fundamental aspects of their personality is just fine as long as you call that your "boundary." To me, that's just control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:53 PM
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I don't think so. You're setting conditions on other people's behavior to make them do what you want them to do otherwise you'll leave them. When the conditions are unreasonable, like asking a person to stop doing what they've always done and what attracted you to them in the first place because you're insecure now, that's a controlling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:45 PM
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The message is "I don't allow you to do this and if you do I'll leave." Hence, distinction without difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:22 PM
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Sure. So basically to you any demand on your partner is justified if you call it your "boundary." If I suddenly decide to convert to Islam and tell my wife she's not allowed to leave the house and must wear a burqa, that's a reasonable demand to make and not controlling because it's just "my boundaries" and if she doesn't like my new rules well she can just fuck off. It's just a transparent way to try and justify control and manipulation by calling it "boundaries"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:18 PM
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You can leave if someone doesn't fulfill your conditions for a relationship, though I'd ask why you'd want to date someone who breaks your conditions in the first place. Just don't call them "boundaries" because they aren't boundaries, they're conditions. Kind of like a Muslim man who starts seeing a western woman because she's attractive and then telling her she needs to wear a burqa because that's his "boundary." Not reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:16 PM
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Sounds like that's just her "boundary" and clearly from this thread you can justifiably make whatever demands you want in a relationship as long as you call it a "boundary" and nobody should have any problems with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:13 PM
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I mean that's a condition not a boundary. A boundary would be "I don't want to watch porn with you." A condition is "you can't watch porn at all or I'll leave." Conditions can be reasonable or unreasonable depending on your personality but trying to justify your conditions for other people's behavior by calling them your boundaries is manipulative and an incorrect use of terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:12 PM
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Sure. Just don't fall into the trap of being attracted to a certain image and lifestyle and then after you start the relationship, try to change them away from that lifestyle later. It's wrong and manipulative to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:29 PM
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I see that as a distinction without difference. It seems like people here think there is no way to be controlling in a relationship and every demand of your partner to change can be justified if you say it's your boundary. Which I think is a bastardization of what setting boundaries actually means.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:24 PM
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Monogamous relationships to you mean your partner can't be in the same environment as the opposite gender and can't ever be friends with them either? What about friends they had before you met them - do they have to stop being friends? This is reasonable to you? Why can't all you control freaks migrate to the middle east and embrace the oppressive theocracy so us who enjoy human connection, freedom and beauty can live in peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:40 PM
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Cool, so to you it's reasonable to demand your partner change anything and everything you don't like about them and justify that by calling it "boundaries". That's certainly one moral worldview, just keep it far away from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:24 PM
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Cool, works for me. Personally I think that's controlling behavior but if you think literally any demand to change your partners behavior is reasonable, that's your moral worldview and all I ask is to keep it far away from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:22 PM
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Whatever romantic relationship you want. Still unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:20 PM
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As long as you also think it would be equally reasonable and not controlling for a woman to tell a man he's: - not allowed to post pictures of himself at a beach on social media - not allowed to be in the same location as women while he does what he loves - not allowed to be friends with women at all Then you're not a hypocrite. you're probably very insecure with trust issues if you can't handle the thought of your SO being in the same physical location of another man without being worried they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:14 PM
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So you can make up literally any requirement, call it a boundary, and then it becomes reasonable and not controlling? Like if a wife marries someone who loves golfing, then later says he's not allowed to golf and if he does they will divorce because that's her boundary? That's not controlling to you? Being attracted to someones lifestyle and then later demanding they change that lifestyle because it makes you insecure is controlling, and is not setting boundaries. Boundaries are rules for your o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:09 PM
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That's fine, except we all know if it was the other way around all the redpillers here would be calling her a controlling b*tch if a woman dated a surfer dude and later changed her mind and told him he's not allowed to hang out with other surfers or take pictures in a swimsuit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:02 PM
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Man sees sexy lady on Instagram Man wants to date sexy lady Man then tells her to stop being sexy because now she belongs to him Tale as old as time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:00 PM
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Sure. Just like a woman who marries a man knowing he loves golf, then tells him he's not allowed to golf and if he does will divorce him did nothing wrong either. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:58 PM
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I'm not the one who used boundaries first. Everyone here is trying to justify controlling behavior by calling it boundaries and I'm telling you that's a misuse of the term. There's no problem as long as you're consistent. For example, a woman who marries someone who loves golfing and then after marriage tells him he's not allowed to golf anymore otherwise they will divorce would also be reasonable. Is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:57 PM
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Surfers spend a lot of time at the beach not surfing or in a wetsuit. That's part of the lifestyle. Let's gender swap. Imagine a guy who really likes golfing, and meets a woman who is attracted to golfers. But then suddenly after dating for a while she tells him she doesn't like him golfing and he's not allowed to golf anymore because that's her boundary. Every redpiller here would be calling her a controlling b*tch, because they can see how that's not reasonable when you knew full well that he …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:51 PM
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Maybe don't date someone who posts sexy pictures if you can't handle that. But of course that would mean not being attracted to the person in those same sexy pictures in the first place, which is apparently not possible for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:47 PM
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If a man really liked golf and started dating a woman who is attracted to golfers, but then suddenly tells him he's not allowed to golf or post golfing pics anymore because it makes her insecure, all these redpillers would be calling her a controlling b*tch. Funny how men get to put their partners in cages and call it a "boundary"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:45 PM
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Posting a picture in the most common women's bathing suit when your whole lifestyle surrounds swimming and the ocean isn't unreasonable lol. What's unreasonable is being attracted to that lifestyle (probably because of those exact same images) and then demanding the person change later. The old story of a powerful man being attracted to the free and beautiful and immediately wanting to hunt it down and put it in a cage for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:13 PM
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Then don't date surfer girls who you're attracted to because of their lifestyle and then try to manipulate them by making them give up that lifestyle because it exposes your insecurities and call that "setting boundaries." It's not setting boundaries, it's the classic story of a powerful man seeing something beautiful he is attracted to and trying to hunt it down so he can put it in a cage. It's controlling and manipulative and she's honestly better off without him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:07 PM
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Sure. But it's pretty stupid and manipulative to be attracted to someone because of their lifestyle (surfing California girl) and then try to use your power and influence to cage that bird and make them change because you're not sure you can keep them without a cage. Really she's better off without him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:58 PM
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Don't try to twist the meaning of basic concepts like "boundaries" to justify controlling other people and we won't have to call you out on your manipulative bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:56 PM
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No, men aren't allowed to try to manipulate women into changing themselves to assuage male insecurity is what this shows, and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:54 PM
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Bad analogy because he wasn't asking her to not cheat, he was asking her to stop an activity she makes a living from because he's threatened she might cheat. Let's say you really like golfing, so much that you start making money from it. You marry your wife, who knows about how much you like golfing. As soon as you get married, she orders you to stop golfing because there's too many women at the golf course you could be talking to, and says she will divorce you if you refuse. Is that a reasonabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:50 PM
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Boundaries are things you set for yourself and your own standards of behavior. Trying to coerce other people to change their behavior and calling it "boundaries" is the most twisted part of this whole situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:43 PM
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Setting boundaries is when you refuse to do things you aren't comfortable with. Ordering someone else to not do things because you're not comfortable with them isn't about setting boundaries, it's about power and control over what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:37 PM
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If the man cheats on his wife do you expect him to be the one filing for divorce? Filing for divorce =\= wrongdoing or that the person filing is the instigator of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:45 PM
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The message here for women is to make sure you don't give up your job and become a housewife for your husband because it's very clear men will leave you penniless with a 20 year resume gap and think they did nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:40 PM
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Is your position that it's ok to lie to people if you think they're dumb? The liar is in the wrong and they hold the blame
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:01 AM
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Both. Really? The person who stayed for their child is not to blame for the other abandoning it. They stepped up while the other stepped out - it's self-evident that the person who took responsibility, is not to blame. Any other justification is simple misogyny because you can't handle the truth that THE WOMAN TOOK RESPONSIBILITY WHILE THE MAN ABANDONED HIS
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:46 AM
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2 parents made a child. 1 parent stayed for their child. 1 parent abandoned their child. Which parent did wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:33 AM
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News flash, women don't want to be single moms. They are forced to be when men fail to live up to their responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:32 AM
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So you'd rather the child have no parents than one? There's literally nothing to debate. 2 parents made a child. 1 parent stayed for their child. 1 parent abandoned their child. Which parent did wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:29 AM
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Men promise and lie to get pussy and then as soon as they have to do any real work parenting, they abandon her. Reprehensible and absolutely backwards to blame the parent who stepped up rather than the one who stepped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:22 AM
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Men promise and lie to get pussy and then as soon as they have to do any real work parenting, they abandon her. Reprehensible and absolutely backwards to blame the parent who stepped up rather than the one who stepped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:21 AM
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Men promise and lie to get pussy and then as soon as they have to do any real work parenting, they abandon her. Reprehensible and absolutely backwards to blame the parent who stepped up rather than the one who stepped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:21 AM
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The parent who stayed for their child while the other parent abandoned it deserves that praise. Single motherhood is the story of a woman owning her responsibility while a man shirks his. End of.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:20 AM
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Will criticizing them make them better people? Will criticizing single mothers make them better? At the end of the day, the parent that stays for their child where the other parent abandoned it deserves praise, not scorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:18 AM
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Where did I say to treat men as criminal? I said that you can't play a gender-based victim card when the people victimizing you are also other men. As for your main point, I believe that people who don't look at cultural aspects of violence and criminality are doing a disservice to the victims. I think the same of gender based violence. That doesn't mean you have to be prejudiced or discriminatory but to ignore aspects like gender and the male propensity for violence is an insult to its victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:53 AM
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Source that controls for the fact that men provide far less hours of childcare than women in aggregate? Ex. if women abuse 2x as much as men but care for children 10x more, women would actually be less abusive than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:33 AM
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Men widely outstrip women in all measures of propensity for violence, even violence that doesn't involve physical strength like gun crime (women can pull triggers just as easily as men can, but are far far less likely to do so) There is a clear male propensity for violence and aggression that far outstrips women, consistently demonstrated by every metric we have on the subject of violence, crime, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:20 AM
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Honest question - would you prefer to not have to work (in fact be legally forced to not work) and all your money is controlled by a man who wants to fuck you in the ass every night? Would you prefer to live under those conditions than working and making your own money? If not why do you think women would.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:05 AM
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Ever heard of game theory? If an aggressive and cooperative person play, the worst outcome for the cooperative person is to play cooperative and get taken advantage of. So they both have to be aggressive and both lose. However if two cooperative people play, they can cooperate and the outcome is better for each, even better than the outcome for the aggressive person above. Women ruling in a world dominated by men are the cooperative player in an aggressive game. They have to be aggressive otherw…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:03 AM
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Men want to play the victim card of war violence in the gender politics debate but in a gender-based debate it's nonsensical for men to play the victim when the perpetrators are also other men. It's like yea, thanks for proving the feminists point that male aggression and tribalism leads to devaluation of human life when men are put in positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:11 PM
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If the percentage of men and women as national leaders were reversed (aka if heads of state were 95% women and 5% men) I think the amount of interstate violence would radically, radically diminish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:05 PM
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The mistake clearly seems to be having sex with men in general if deadbeat dads get to abdicate all their responsibility for abandoning their child and blame the parent who stayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:44 PM
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Somebody who stays with their child didn't make any mistakes. The parent that abandons their child and shirks their responsibility holds the blame and the mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 09:40 PM
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Wow, I didn't know women are all born with the ability to see the future, that's crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 09:00 PM
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Literally no woman wants to be a single mom. Women want the romance and commitment it's all over female focused media. Unfortunately men often fail to live up to basic expectations of commitment and responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:36 PM
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Truly we are ruled by people with mental disabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:26 PM
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Maybe because people don't want to admit to being statutory rapists even on an anonymous survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 08:44 PM
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Shelter is a need lol. If it's cold outside and you don't have shelter, you die.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 08:29 PM
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Doesn't everybody want the best partner they can get?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:28 PM
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I guess we are all ruled by people with mental disabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:27 PM
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"For me to succeed, someone else must fail." Do you agree with this statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:41 PM
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And you think the only way you can climb the hierarchy is by pushing other people down. The only way you can get rich is by making others poorer. The only way to get stronger is by making others weaker. The only way to get pleasure is by forcing others to suffer. Barbaric
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:30 PM
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If I go to the gym and get stronger, do I somehow need to force you to get weaker to do so? If I make a bunch of money, is the only way I can do that to take it from you? Obviously not. We can both make money and both get strong. The difference between civilization and barbarism is that realization - it's better to work together to grow the pie rather than constantly fight each other over who gets the crumbs. This is making me realize exactly how barbaric Tate's mindset really is - you really be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:21 PM
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As we speak conservatives are losing their minds over a marketing campaign from Bud Light I don't think stoicism is something either political camp has exclusive claim to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:14 PM
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So you think the only way for you to succeed is to force other people to fail? What a destructive zero-sum mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:12 PM
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Protip - get into yoga. It's actually a great compliment to lifting for your overall physical health and let's just say the demographics are better :)
/r/seduction11/04/23 08:24 PM
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How much do dumbass American man children spend on lifted pickup trucks every year?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:21 AM
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Women want a dangerous man who dominates others but doesn't bend the knee to anyone except her. Men want a sexy lady who never slept with anyone else but is so overcome by his manliness she jumps into bed with him. Different, yet so similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:14 PM
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Religious evangelists and crotchety hand-wringers have been trying to shame people for having sex for centuries. If you think you can be more sanctimoniously self-righteous than they were, knock yourself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:53 PM
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I mean nobody'a going to forcibly stop you from being a self-righteous asshole so shame away I suppose if other people's choices are just so unacceptable to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:05 PM
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Some people believe concepts like individual and social libertarianism are inherently good regardless of how that may or may not affect one personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:14 PM
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Everyone's allowed to do what they want, just don't expect women or society to be attracted to sloths who want nothing more out of life than what they can get from a computer screen
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:31 PM
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Happy to do so, just hope those men stop bitching about teh evil wamenz who don't want to sleep with men who are useful for nothing more than turning good food into shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:51 PM
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Sorry, but choosing virtual dopamine and laziness over actually contributing value in the real world is a manbaby trait that isn't going to make your life better. Will you look back on your life in 40 years and think "damn I'm so glad I spent so much time in a dark basement grinding Genshin Impact."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:39 PM
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Nobody has the right to use someone elses body against their will, even if they'll die without that other person's body
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:21 AM
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Show me the law that says the adoption system is women only.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:20 AM
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I'm against conscription, you're building strawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:19 AM
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The woman gets to unilaterally choose to carry to term or not because she has unilateral control of her body. Neither the woman nor man has the right to a paper abortion after the child is born, and both the woman or man would have the right to a physical abortion if their body got pregnant. Each gender has equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:29 PM
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As soon as the child is born, the right to bodily autonomy no longer applies, and the woman is on the hook for child support just like a man is. If the man's body got pregnant, I'd support their right to an abortion as well. But they don't. So it doesn't apply. Unfortunately, biology isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:20 PM
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Bodily autonomy in this context is founded on the implied right to private family planning, so... What? No. You've got it backwards - the right to abortion is founded on the right to bodily autonomy, not the other way around. Also, what's your stance on women who steal semen out of used condoms? That's bodily autonomy? No, that's wrong and I've never said otherwise? Building strawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:14 PM
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You looksmax as hard as you can and get very very comfortable with rejection. The reason why bootstrap advice is common, for both financial and romantic success, is because it's really the only option. You can't (and shouldn't) force people to give you their money or love against their will, so you have to figure out a way to become valuable enough that people willingly give you the money or love you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:23 PM
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I mean you don't know anything about me or my partner so this feels like anxiety-based projection (that you will have to slave away for an ungrateful partner)...but regardless, my point is women generally find value-creating activity more attractive than value-consuming activity. And regardless of attraction, you should spend more time creating value for the world than you do consuming value others have created.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:49 PM
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I want to find ways to create value for the world that I find fun (or really - rewarding).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:20 PM
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The right to abortion is founded in bodily autonomy. The mans body doesn't get pregnant so the right to bodily autonomy doesn't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:17 PM
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Making money = creating value. It's better to create value in the world than to suck value away, so that's why it's better to focus on making money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:12 AM
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The thing is, Trump and Tate are an emergent phenomenon not a causative one. People that support them existed first, and if Trump and Tate weren't the ones to capitalize on it, then it would just have been someone else. It's kind of like - Hitler didn't cause racism and antisemitism to come to exist from nothing, racism and antisemitism were latently building and combined with economic turmoil created the conditions that allowed Hitler to rise power. Similarly, Trump and Tate didn't cause toxic …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:17 PM
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It's pretty simple. Women have the right to abort because it's their body that gets pregnant and women have the right to bodily autonomy. The mans body doesn't get pregnant, so the right to bodily autonomy doesn't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:01 PM
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That analogy might work if you were trying to make it illegal to go to the hospital after you hurt yourself skiing. Are you? Or another example - crashing your car is a possibility every time you drive. Does that mean every time you drive you consent to crashing which means you don't have a right to repair your car or seek compensation?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:36 PM
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Sure, but men don't have any change to their body they would have the right to prevent. So their right to bodily autonomy isn't threatened.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:33 PM
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The justification behind pro-choice arguments when it comes to abortion is fundamentally bodily autonomy. There is no bodily autonomy infringement on male bodies in pregnancy, so I don't think you can draw an equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:52 PM
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With so much information available at your fingertips, more than ever in human history, boredom is a choice. Basically my point is, being unable to find purpose without making everything worse is a you problem not a society problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 07:51 PM
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Maybe like cacti we do need some droughts to appreciate life after all. This is you speaking for others. The obsession with suffering is overplayed imo, inability to find purpose without inflicting suffering is a lack of imagination and ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 07:21 PM
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Speak for yourself. Just because you can't handle abundance and need to inflict more suffering in your life doesn't mean everyone else needs that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 05:20 PM
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Male models are a thing too and being a sugar baby isn't exactly "doing nothing." It's essentially trading sex for money which is a very serious choice to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 02:53 PM
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Even if your argument is true looking at her decisions reveal a greater preference to be single than in a relationship with a man who doesn't meet her standards. So out of the available choices, she's made the choice she prefers the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:02 PM
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It seems clear when reading women's discourse (even in the 2XC thread you linked) that many women prefer singlehood to dating men. Quick economics lesson: it's very difficult to try to guess what people's preferences are in advance, but very easy to observe them after they are revealed through decisions. If more women are deciding to be single than be in relationships, then their revealed preference is to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:19 PM
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If people still demand that skill, lack of supply raises the price of that labor, incentivizing more people to learn that skill. Lots more people would train to be plumbers if they took home $200k/yr
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 07:23 PM
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Social security is going to collapse and the elderly are going to have to fend for themselves if they didn't save responsibly and/or have families to support them. This isn't a crisis though. It's sad but working till you die has been the norm for humanity for much, much longer than retirement has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:03 PM
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Sex and relationships are competitive and nobody is entitled to those things. This is kind of like saying "the poorer 30% of the population makes less money than the wealthier 70%" like yeah that's how math works? In a competitive environment some people are going to perform worse than others, and sex and relationships are actually extremely close to the economic concept of perfect competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:00 PM
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I think society would just make old people work until they die instead of collapsing. Besides anyone who's paying attention should realize their retirement is your responsibility at this point, not the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 02:51 PM
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AWALT, plate spinning, DENNIS
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:45 PM
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How to get men to actually get off the couch? Take basic self-improvement advice that's been around for centuries, add a nice heaping spoonful of misogyny, and make it the Matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 01:36 PM
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"capitalism is everything bad and the more bad something is the more capitalism it must be"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:15 PM
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That's the only thing that matters for most RP men. Which is de facto proof it's an immoral/evil ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:30 PM
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For starters, find locations where there is an implied expectation that you may be talked to by strangers. Where are these places? Anywhere that serves alcohol is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:12 PM
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Letting people make choices freely and support themselves independently (all women are asking for) is the opposite of nazi talk lol. It's literally just women making choices freely and men hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:06 PM
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Men are plumbers and roofers etc. because they need to put food on the table. They aren't doing it for the social good, they're doing it because they don't want to live in poverty? This argument never makes sense. People don't clean shit out of toilets as a favor, they do it because if they don't they don't get paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:54 PM
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I'm pointing out that relying on economic coercion to bypass high standards for relationships is the same as companies relying on economic coercion to bypass high standards for working conditions, with all the same moral implications. Probably even worse moral implications because even in a sweatshop you aren't asked to fuck your boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:18 PM
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"why shame companies for outsourcing production to sweatshops, they're just trying to solve their expensive labor problem"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:15 PM
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Ok so like just being poor and useless forever? Sounds like a great life lol. Not going to shed too many tears over that. More opportunity for the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:18 PM
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So I can make whatever claims I want and if you argue against them I can just plug my ears and call you a denier?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:20 PM
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Destructive mindset based on incorrect postulates that has inspired many acts of extreme violence against innocents.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:10 PM
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Idk bout you but the people in software I know (work in information security) are pretty chadly nowadays. Outdoorsy, social, go to burning man, and make 350k+/yr building some of the coolest tech on the planet when they aren't partying in Miami with their VC buddies. I think the "pocket protector and thick glasses" meme is a little outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:58 PM
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I've never seen these false accusations of violence. This reeks of victimhood complex. Random other people just don't care about you enough to bother and constantly worrying they do kind of implies main character syndrome where you think everyone else just exists to live in your narrative of their "abundance of hatred."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:55 PM
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The reasons unions work is because they can withhold their labor (striking) to enforce collective bargaining. So the analogy in the sexual marketplace would be a bunch of average/low value men refusing to have sex...good luck? Now if lots of women collaborated and collectively refused to have sex with men to force better treatment...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:30 PM
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Which is why we use science to evaluate the question of "is that a mountain or a molehill" The problem then becomes people's absolute reluctance to accept it due to inconvenience or unpleasant conclusions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:30 PM
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On the other hand, sometimes the mountain actually is a mountain and the people who try to call it a molehill are just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 06:07 AM
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Personally I think it's because reddit userbase is kind of full of men who aren't good with women and they're worried this makes them seem like incels so they try really hard to signal they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:23 PM
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I actually think most people would say forming a loving romantic relationship and things that come with it (family) is the most valuable part of life, and I'd agree. But I agree that doesn't mean other things (contributing to society through your work, giving back to help those less fortunate etc.) aren't also valuable goals and you do need to have them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:20 PM
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I don't think that's true. Is it difficult? Sure, but most rewarding things in life are. Find activity you're interested in > meet people there and get contact information > set up hangouts outside of the activity > be persistent, don't be flakey, and be a good friend. Really that simple at the core. I agree with you that most people are lonely and hungry for more social connection, but imo that works in your favor - people desperately want to form these connections, you just have to be the cata…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:17 PM
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Dating apps/online dating is just about the only socially permissible way to interact with women. Wait do guys actually believe this? No wonder meeting women in person is powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:08 PM
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"The system" nobody is forcing you to do anything. The apps are optional, people use them because they're the path of least resistance and have the illusion of abundance. Plenty of community events and social gatherings are still taking place. You've just got to be proactive and get off your couch and maybe (gasp) get accustomed to feeling a little uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:40 PM
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Oh no not women's fault at all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:43 AM
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Here's one for you: some sociologists have suggested the high conflict rate in the Middle East is due to Islam's permission of up to 4 wives per husband. The argument is this feature of the widespread religion causes most women to be married to a minority of successful men, leaving a male underclass without wives that are more likely to be radicalized and fight other tribes to take women for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:53 AM
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Tate's advice is super basic and boring when it's not outright inflammatory and wrong. There are countless role models in technology, venture capital, personal fitness and motivation or even just male thought leaders that give excellent, actionable advice for personal improvement without the underlying chauvinism that will ultimately make it impossible for men to build genuine connection with the women they want to share their lives with. But that type of male role model isn't for Tate's target …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:04 AM
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You can make friends out of swingers but not swingers out of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 07:02 PM
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Charitably, benevolent sexism means treating women differently than men to show your sexual interest. Things like flirting, assuming the lead, light touch, basically treating women unequally to how one would treat a man. Uncharitably, benevolent sexism is treating women like entertainment or frivolities. Like not as an intellectual or social equal, but more like a toy or diversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:16 PM
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The person inviting Ha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:51 AM
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Look man you seem earnest so I'm going to give you an earnest reply. The truth is, women as a societal class have only earned equal rights in the past 50-100 years. Before that, women's relationships to men were defined by some level of forced dependence - legal, economic, or farther back through plain brute force. Now, women in the wealthy areas of the world have fought for and earned the ability and right to provide for themselves, make relationship decisions not forced by economics, and gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 08:45 AM
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People don't "have" to work in sweatshops but it's still an immoral abuse of economic inequality. Making the labor sexual is even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:27 PM
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Women earn their own money now. Based on college attendance rates women will probably be out earning men on average soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:23 PM
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Being an economic sexual predator. Worse than running a sweatshop
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:23 PM
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To the men: your 18yo daughter asked you your advice if she should date a 40 year old man. What do you tell her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:12 PM
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So immoral
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:54 PM
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Every girl you know has a vibrator already 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:50 PM
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Great theres your example. Here's mine: The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women, including some children and the elderly, were raped during the occupation, with Yale University claiming over 80,000 rapes.[3][43] A large number of rapes were done systematically by the Japanese soldiers as they went from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang-raped.[44] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:13 AM
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You're a prick who has no idea what women go through at the hands of men. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:56 AM
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What's worse, getting shot or getting gang raped and then shot. I know which one I'd pick
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:50 AM
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Well psychology today is referring to a study from LSE that actually breaks the sample group into single vs married cohorts which the anitdepressant study doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 07:53 PM
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Taking the extreme is illustrating the point that the study can't tell us anything about women's happiness single vs. married.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:43 PM
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The point is that source doesn't differentiate between single vs married. So it's a bit useless to make inferences about whether or not women are happier single or married. For all that study knows these depressants are taken by married women and none at all by singles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:02 PM
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Your study doesn't differentiate between relationship status so it's useless to answer the question of happiness single vs married. Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:31 PM
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Yes, married women often need to resort to antidepressants due to having to put up with their husbands 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:37 PM
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Quick reminder single women have the highest reported happiness out of all 4 studied groups (married/single men/women) Also writing an obsessive strawman rant like this does not seem like the kind of thing a healthy person would do :(
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:25 AM
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If you're actually in a conservative city covid restrictions will be minimal or non-existent. The whole state of Florida is as conservative as America gets right now and everything is open. Your explanation of your issues isn't adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 04:54 PM
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This is like saying sweatshop workers aren't being exploited because they're freely choosing to work for dollars a day. Ignoring the fact that the companies setting up the sweatshops are exploiting the economic conditions of these people for cheap labor. It's just men taking advantage of economic inequality to give themselves a bargaining chip.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:32 PM
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There is a clear economic exploitation aspect that you are willfully ignoring.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:01 PM
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"I'm not attractive to women who have financial security so instead I have to economically coerce disadvantaged women to be with me" Way to prove OPs whole point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:22 PM
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And again you're conflating government action and laws with voluntary relationships. The government issuing you a passport is not the same as dating. People have the right to refuse to date someone else for any reason and that's not "unjust." They aren't harming you by not dating you, or preventing you from doing anything - they're just exercising their own right to choose who they spend their time and lives with. Nobody's rights are being infringed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:13 PM
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You brought up "your rights" not me. Don't spend paragraphs elaborating on your grandparents history of fighting for rights - it's irrelevant The "inequality" of not being given everything at birth is not the same as being prevented by law from improving your station.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:21 PM
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You have your rights. There's no laws preventing you from improving yourself, or making money, or dating women. You are free to do all of those things - but the other side of having rights is that other people have the same rights to make their own decisions about who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:16 PM
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Remember for every person who you feel was born better off than you, it's likely ten were born worse-off There will always be people born better or worse off than you - so it's best to stop concerning yourself with that and do the best you can with what you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:26 PM
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Men like sex with hot women more than sex with average ones. Why do you think it would be different the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 06:55 PM
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Constantly worrying about how you compare to other men who are long out of the picture is insecurity. OP sounds insecure in their self image compared to other men. So I don't think that's a wrong descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 11:31 AM
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You're probably 8+/10 hot if you're getting approached by women just by looks alone, meaning you could literally talk complete gibberish to any woman and probably do fine as long as you seem relatively comfortable doing so.
/r/seduction21/10/22 08:38 PM
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You can have 3rd spaces and capitalism, it's American car centric infrastructure that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:06 AM
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Maybe do some drugs and go to a rave, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:56 PM
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Any polygynous society (men socially permitted to have multiple wives) is fundamentally unstable because that means a large number of males will never have the opportunity for sex or marriage. These unmarried and sexually frustrated men cause huge amounts of violence and social unrest as a consequence. Mohammed's caravan raider friends wanted to smash lots of puss so Mo said it was allowed. No other reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:43 PM
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I disagree. If male attraction is a light switch, female attraction is a dimmer. Yes it's great if the attraction is there immediately, but you'll miss a lot of women (and mainly - all the women who are "out of your league") if you give up on the "pursuit" too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:22 AM
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Stretch out the time you have to find your next job
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:17 AM
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Quiet quitting isn't doing your job, it's gradually doing less and less of your job and taking longer to do it, until you get let go and can claim unemployment and possibly severance rather than just quitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:57 AM
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So I feel like you're misunderstanding the idea of "social proof." In fact, the idea behind "social proof" is that a man who is unattractive can make up for that by having a lot of friends and social status in his group which women like and are attracted to. But also: By that I mean I’ve never seen a goth girl and a Kim K and female athlete sitting at the same table before. I see that all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:38 PM
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Woman meets man. Woman likes man. Woman has sex with man hoping and trusting that man will love her forever. Man then abandons woman and child. This story is the woman's fault how??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:49 PM
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I think the person who calls all single moms "guilty" in the comment I replied to is making some huge assumptions as well, and I want to call them out. Sorry for whatever happened to you, but deadbeat dads are hugely common, so much so they've become a cultural trope ("went out to get milk 4 years ago") And either way, I don't think women are having kids with the intention of being a single mom. Nobody actually wants that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:19 PM
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Hot women have a higher BF % than hot men do. At every body fat percentage, the woman will look more attractive than the man. People like fat boobs. People don't like fat moobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:28 PM
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Abortion is the woman's decision because it's the woman who has the right to control of her own body. If the man's body got pregnant, I'd support his right to end that pregnancy too. I could say the same about the man - he clearly wants the child, because if he didn't, he would've worn a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:18 PM
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"It's your fault your friend stole from you, you picked him to be your friend." No. The person who committed the crime is responsible for it. Your arguments are victim blaming mental gymnastics to excuse deadbeat dads from the responsibility they assumed when they became a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:08 PM
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And men are forced by single mothers and society to be separated from their kids. This is nuts. Deadbeat dads abandon their kids because they can't handle the responsibility all the time. It's pretty easy. Both parents of a child have responsibility to care for that child, right? So, if one parent stays with the child and the other leaves the child, which one fulfilled their responsibility and which one shirked it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:00 PM
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Um, what? Half the time neither person wanted the child, but the mother accepted the responsibility but the man shirked it. Again with the gymnastics here - women aren't baby trapping men any more than men are baby trapping women - but in either case, even if the man was baby trapped, doesn't he have an equal responsibility to the life he helped create??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:55 PM
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What? It's the mother's fault because she couldn't "make the man stick around" instead of being the man's fault for, you know, being the one to abandon his child and the mother of his child?? Is this upsidedown world? You might as well blame the child for not being able to retain his father! What mental gymnastics, you RP men will twist any situation including parental abandonment to avoid placing any responsibility on the man who abandoned his child. Outrageous
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:04 PM
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How is a single mom guilty when she is the one who stuck around for the kid? Any way you slice it, a single mom is a story of a man who abandoned his child while the woman had the bravery and responsibility to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:50 PM
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It's because grades don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:20 PM
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I've never said women want nice guys. What I've said is that more aggression is not always more attraction. Especially today, the most testosterone fueled violent angry man is going to lose out to the man with less testosterone (and therefore fewer tendencies towards violence and aggression) but more social calibration and interpersonal skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:44 PM
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Men who are do well with hot women are charming, extroverted, pro-social and confident. They aren't violent gangbangers. Testosterone is great and all but if it causes anti-social behavior like compulsive fighting, over-sensitivity to offense, and uncontrollable anger and frustration at slight hindrances like road rage, that is not attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:13 PM
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Don't like male aggressiveness? If women didn't mate with bad boys then this behavior would have been bred out of our species tens of thousands of years ago. One could argue that's happening now. In the modern world extreme aggression doesn't lead to reproductive success anymore which is leading men to adopt more pro-social behaviors and lowering testosterone levels as extreme aggression is now a hindrance to mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:05 PM
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why do men think OLD gives a fuck if men get matches? They want men to give them money I mean, most men will stop spending money at some point if they aren't getting matches, so OLD platforms have a vested interest in trying to make as many matches happen as possible. That's why alternative platforms like Bumble showed up - new ways to try to make women join & stay in OLD platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:48 PM
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By his wife? Don't think so. He married his high school sweetheart and has 3 kids with her. Also is religious. Tbh, this sounds like you have commitment issues, feel guilty about it, and are trying to convince yourself every other man does too so you can feel better about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:53 AM
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Stephen Curry
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:46 AM
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I wonder how prevalent that really is. But either way doesn't the fact they have wives at all show there is a draw to companionship and commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:44 AM
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Why do so many male billionaires, athletes celebrities etc. marry, sometimes for life? They do have access to unlimited NSA sex with models, but most often choose companionship. It's so valuable to live every day in a house full of love and I feel sorry for those who don't get to have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:19 AM
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If you want to ignore this inequality fine. But please don't take my money, my house, my second house, my car, my jet sky... to solve other inequalities. We agree there is no gender-based inequality wrt taxes. So what's your point again?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:12 AM
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Which they do voluntarily...so what's the problem again? I support the right of men to be lazy bums!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:51 PM
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A childless man and childless woman will pay the exact same amount to the government in tax. Same between a father and a mother. So I still don't see why you think men are so burdened when there is no gender-based difference in our taxation system...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:48 PM
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But free markets and individual liberty is also supposed to be a conservative view...so what gives?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:46 PM
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Holding else equal (income, location etc.) tax burden doesn't change if you're a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:44 PM
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I'm not sure why you're setting up this false binary of: either we don't have government or I don't get a gf. What is government specifically doing to force men to not date?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:43 PM
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Sure? Women can leave too if they don't want to support the jurisdiction they're in - see women leaving conservative states to avoid abortion bans in the USA. But having things like roads, electricity, and fire departments is good regardless of gender or relationship status so I'm still not sure why taxpaying is suddenly considered a massive burden on single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:06 PM
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Well, regardless of politics I don't think you can say men and women don't have equal opportunity to date whoever they want. There is no forcible coercion in the dating marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:03 PM
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The implication is these men aren't willing to just leave women alone but actively return them to a place of social subordination by removing rights like access to financial services, having jobs, birth control and suffrage. Or just kill women like incels have done all across the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:40 PM
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Someone not wanting to fuck you =/= you don't have equality. What happened to the right wing belief that equal outcome is not the same as equal opportunity? We all have the equal opportunity to enter the free dating market and get laid, the market just rejected you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:34 PM
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A single woman contributes just as much as a single man if they earn the same amount so I don't really know where this is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:29 PM
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Nah, there are places where the attendees have some level of implicit understanding that they might be approached by a stranger. Typically these are social areas usually accompanied by alcohol but not exclusive - i.e. local meetups, religious social gatherings, etc. Now, you may still get rejected approaching at one of these places, but there 100% is a certain level of implied social acceptability to talking to strangers here. Compare that to approaching someone at their job, or while grocery sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:44 PM
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Don't use Tinder. Meet women in person where you can express your personality. In my experience, women are less binary than men are. Men see a hot woman and they're immediately DTF. Women, even with hot guys, need time to sample the mans personality, and whether or not they feel both safe and excited by that man. These traits are independent of looks - looks just gets your foot in the door and may or may not make the process faster, depending on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:14 AM
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If you think an average looking introverted guy can just to a bar and meet women and get dates you're very wrong. My point is, nobody thinks this is the case. We all agree that people aren't guaranteed dates. So why do you bring this up? OP's point was that even though you aren't getting a date every time you go to the bar, you're NEVER getting a date sitting at home playing video games which is what tons of guys spend all their time doing. 10% chance is better than 0% Approaching women in perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:11 AM
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If you think an average looking introverted guy can just to a bar and meet women and get dates you're very wrong. Why is there this expectation that men should be able to just roll up to a bar or swipe on an app and get sex guaranteed? Like yea, if you're an introverted guy who only sits at home now, you're going to have to work up to getting good with women just like any other skill or competition in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:51 PM
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Any man can 2-3x their physical appearance just by getting fit. 4-5x by doing stuff like dressing well and gasp having a skincare and hygiene routine. And a little concealer never hurt anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:47 PM
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Men commit 95%+ of all violent crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:03 PM
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Good examples are male feminists and girls who identify as just "one of the boys". You really think it's impossible or even rare for a man to agree with feminist ideology (or a woman to like doing "masculine" activities with guys) without having some sort of ulterior motive to curry favor with the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:47 PM
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Does the author make any adjustments to the model to account for widespread modern methods of birth control? If not, there's no way such a model could be applied to say our civilization is endangered by letting people sleep with whom they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:30 PM
2

Men shoot up schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:59 PM
1

Yeah I bet the porn stars are so happy to get hit, choked, and spit on. Totally "consensual" You can pay women to pretend to enjoy getting abused, doesn't make it any less abusive or viewing that content any less damaging to male viewer psychology & increases propensity for aggression and sexual violence. https://openpsychologyjournal.com/contents/volumes/V5/TOPSYJ-5-1/TOPSYJ-5-1.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:53 PM
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War and intertribe violence is a male invention. https://blogs.icrc.org/law-and-policy/2018/03/15/masculinity-and-war-let-s-talk-about-it-more/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:41 PM
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Sorry, I'll amend my statement. 88% of porn men regularly masturbate to features rape and/or violence against women. Happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:23 PM
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I was saying men watch much more porn than women which often features violence and rape. A much smaller percentage of women outliers watching porn does not erase this fact - men watch much more porn than women do and the porn they watch features violence against women 88% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:15 AM
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Keep ignoring the fact that men are increasingly obsessed with violence in sex, I'm sure that will be great for your future daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:09 AM
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Please note where I said "rape and violence" not just "rape" though we all know there's plenty of that in porn too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:48 PM
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My point is violent porn is worse than violent video games which are worse than posting cute pics on Instagram. OP is trying to draw equivalencies between posting pics on social media and masturbating to violence against women. These are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:43 PM
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I mean the 88% of porn that features sexual violence against women for the titillation of male viewers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:23 PM
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Haven't proposed banning anything (so far.) Just debunking the notion that "posting cute vacation pics" and "masturbating to rape and violence against women" are somehow equally bad like many porn addicts want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:32 PM
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88% of porn scenes feature elements of physical abuse, including but not limited to - slapping, choking, and/or forced penetration. 47% of porn scenes also feature verbal abuse, primarily slurs and derogatory comments towards the female actor. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20980228/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:54 PM
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88% of porn scenes feature elements of physical abuse, including but not limited to - slapping, choking, and/or forced penetration. 47% of porn scenes also feature verbal abuse, primarily slurs and derogatory comments towards the female actor. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20980228/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:54 PM
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Wrong. Men jacking off to rape, violence, and abuse is much more psychologically damaging than sharing pictures of you on vacation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:30 PM
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It's called a vibrator and most women already use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:22 PM
2

Even after the Plymouth shooting last year?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:21 PM
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Complete word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:19 PM
2

Women have more representation in leadership today than most of the historical period (though nowhere near parity with men.) In the same period, wars have decreased dramatically, coinciding almost directly with feminist movements gaining women the vote, leadership positions etc. QED: the more political power women have, the more peaceful your civilization becomes. Or consider the fact that the most patriarchal societies (ME, Russia, etc.) are also the most war-torn and belligerent. Or consider t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:08 PM
2

Looking at all of history the evidence is fairly clear that 95-99% of all violent intertribe or interstate wars and conflicts were started by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:43 PM
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Intertribe and intertroop conflict is overwhelmingly led and instigated by males in all higher primates including humans. This is anthropological fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:22 PM
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Tell men to stop starting wars then. War is a male invention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:47 PM
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Technology has ensured culture/society outlives government. Ex the British empire is no more, but half the developed world lives along what are basically Anglosphere social and cultural traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 10:38 PM
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My point is, many men are tall AND wealthy AND single. Especially because some of those traits are correlated. The calculator doesn't account for that. Ex - let's say you have a population of 1000 men. 100 (10%) are tall, 100 are wealthy, and 100 are 35-45. The calculator would take those numbers and go 1/10 x 1/10 x 1/10 = only 1 man in the 1000 is tall, wealthy, and 35-45. But that makes no sense at all because you can't just multiply the probabilities linearly like that if variables are relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:54 PM
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That calculator is bullshit btw because it treats every statistic as separate and just multiplies odds together without adjusting for correlation. For example at 1/10 for height, income, and age it calcs you out at 1/103 or 1 in 1000. But in reality, many men will have more than 1 of those qualities, making the math totally wrong. Ex many men will be tall AND high earning which means you can't treat those variables as exclusive, which the calculator does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:43 PM
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That calculator is total bullshit btw because it treats every statistic as separate and just multiplies odds together without adjusting for correlation. For example at 1/10 for height, income, and age it calcs you out at 1/103 or 1 in 1000. But in reality, many men will have more than 1 of those qualities, making the math totally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:36 PM
2

Sounds like you're not doing that hot if you can't invest AND go on vacation. Sitting at home staring at candles on a monitor isn't a great way to spend one's youth. Set it and forget it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:39 PM
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Um...you're the person who sounds like they want to eat the same cheap, basic food, never leave the house, and don't want to do anything fun that costs any money...who's lame around here again?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:39 PM
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Doesn't really follow that men have "checked out" or that women won't be able to find families when nearly twice as many single men are looking for women as single women are looking for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:22 PM
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Regardless, many more women are "opting out" of looking for romance/sex than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:21 PM
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According to the study, 61% of single men are still actively looking for a partner but only 38% of single women are. So...seems like it's women who are happy to focus on themselves and stop putting up with modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:03 PM
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According to the study, 61% of single men are still looking for a partner but only 38% of single women are. So really, seems like it's women who are done putting up with modern men and are happy to focus on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:00 PM
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Spend half on groceries, rent, car (if you share) hotel rooms, trips, etc. Almost everything done together is cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:51 PM
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Developed countries tend to have a lower fertility rate due to lifestyle choices associated with economic affluence where mortality rates are low, birth control is easily accessible and children often can become an economic drain caused by housing, education cost and other cost involved in bringing up children. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4255510/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:32 PM
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But are they marrying the maid? Unlikely. Men tend to marry/LTR women who are from similar socioeconomic backgrounds to them. So if you want a successful man, it helps to be generally successful as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:29 PM
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Gotta give me a source on the "happy" part. People in 3rd world countries have lots of kids because they need the additional workforce to labor in the home, field, or shoe factory to earn for the family. They are an economic gain for the parents but I don't know if you can say they're happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:59 PM
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It's funny because an LTR that is willing to pool resources makes everything much financially easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:57 PM
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Well, in dating specifically assortative selection is a thing. It's hard to get in the same circles as high earning men if you aren't high earning yourself. A high-paid female lawyer (for example) is going to have an easier time meeting high-value, HNW men in a dating context than a cashier will. Does the money itself make a difference? Not sure, but nobody should be using their money to attract a long term mate anyway. And while you're single & looking, it's certainly better to have more money …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:47 PM
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They are being rewarded by society which includes men, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:36 PM
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A single mom stepped up while the man stepped out. And you blame the women for sticking around? Disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:30 PM
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And the father has the right to half custody if he wants it. Guess men just don't give a fck about their kids if they give up custody to the mother (or they're abusers.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:24 PM
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You mean to say - I wonder why so many men abandon their children? The woman stuck around. The father didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:04 PM
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Because it's an achievement that has no bearing or impact on the real world or your place in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:05 AM
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Would you say King David was faithful to your god and a devout example of leadership and nobility in your religion? He was a man with many wives, many of which YHWH directly gave him as reward, with the promise of more if desired. David is one of many examples of polygamy permitted by Yaweh in the OT According to the Bible God condoned the giving of women as reward, commodifying female sexuality and reducing their individual to objecthood, as well as permitting male polygyny (but of course not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:42 AM
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When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. Deuteronomy 20:13-14 That's the God you worship? The one that lets male warriors for God kill every man in a city and rape their women? And you want to tell me your God restricts men from the most henious violatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 08:29 PM
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"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:11-14
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 05:35 AM
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Christianity (OT) and other Abrahamic and non-abrahamic religions allow male polygyny but severely limit and forcibly control female sexual expression, choice, and freedom, an attitude adopted by many men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:49 AM
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Do what you think is best but most women will only be hurt by letting men's maddona-whore complex run loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 11:15 PM
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Sure you can. Just keep your private sexual history private. EZ
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 09:04 PM
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Men tell on themselves - their "standards" have nothing to do with the woman herself, but other men she may have been with before! Madonna-whore is about patriarchal ownership and always has been. Men can't stand questioning their control over their woman's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:31 PM
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Revealing sexual history is something that will never help you as a woman and will very often hurt you. So why divulge? It's nobody else's business anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:13 PM
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Men tend to be hilariously bad at social inferences in my experience. If you're disgusted by women I suggest you date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:11 PM
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Women: this is why you don't divulge these details. Madonna-whore is a psychological failure of men, so why cause both him and you pain by feeding it. Men are too psychologically fragile to handle perceived challenges to their ownership of women's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:09 PM
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If you want to experiment with other people inside a relationship, have threesomes and group experiences together. Don't try to have these experiences separately, that's a one-way street to destruction of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:42 PM
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If you're saying "all women are like that" how can it be wrong to say "all men are like that" as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:12 PM
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If it's dumb and wrong to say all men are the same, it's dumb and wrong to say all women are the same. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 09:09 PM
2

All men are like rapists. Shouldn't have any problem with that statement then right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:59 PM
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"all women are like that" is literally stating that women are not independent individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:10 PM
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AWALT Treating women as a subhuman collective instead of individuals with unique wants, preferences, and behaviors is misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:56 PM
1

And you think young women are stoked to jump into bed with beer gut, balding, dirty old men? Time and tide waits for neither man nor woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 11:36 PM
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Why body count matters to men: because if she's been with another man, they're afraid their ownership of "their woman's" bodies might be in dispute. Men who are like this want complete ownership and control of "their woman" and can't handle any cognitive dissonance on that issue. Also - Madonna/whore complex. Anything else is rationalization to avoid facing these facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:18 PM
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A man who can't control his lust and tries to satisfy it violently is an animal and the only thing to do with violent animals is put them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:51 PM
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Are some men better at talking to/flirting with/attracting women than others, all else equal? If yes, then learning how to do those things better will help, all else equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:00 PM
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"If she didn't want to get raped she wouldn't have gone outside" You will grasp at any straws to ignore the fact that the person at fault for abandoning their child is...the man who abandoned his child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:57 PM
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A single mother is a woman who stepped up to her responsibility while a man couldn't handle his. The only person to blame for an absentee father is that man. Anything else is literally just misogynistic victim blaming - the MAN abandoned his child, so the MAN is the person at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:11 PM
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2 people make a baby. 1 parent stays to raise it, the other one abandons both. Which parent did something wrong? Not a hard question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:48 PM
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Interesting the blame always falls on the parent who stuck around rather than the parent who abandoned their responsibility entirely...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:20 PM
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Most high performers in terms of income are high performers in other areas of their lives as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:43 PM
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Go read "The Rational Optimist." We live longer and healthier lives with better living standards than all of human history. Our problems arise from abundance not scarcity - too much food, too much social media, too much entertainment, too much distraction. It is far easier to deal with abundance problems than scarcity problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:07 PM
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Indoor/outdoor is an ongoing debate in cat world. Indoor cats live longer, healthier, and less painful lives and don't have the opportunity to kill other animals outside (domestic cats have driven several species of birds extinct.) Enrichment can be more difficult but if you think about it most dogs are kept inside with walks/supervised outdoor time. That can work for cats too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:03 PM
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Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about what types of debt people hold or don't hold. Investing in yourself is a good decision and like it or not professional jobs that don't destroy your body by 45 still require a bachelor's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 07:42 PM
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Your question: what makes you think this will change? Men subjugated women for centuries using their brawn. I'm explaining to you why that is changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:19 PM
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I'd rather borrow and invest 30k than sit on 30k in a world where cash inflates away at 7% a year if I'm getting a good ROI on that investment. And a degree with a decent chance of getting a job that won't destroy your body by 45 is often one of the best investments you can make - like it or not no bachelor's means you won't even get in the running. Smart people use debt to their advantage instead of fleeing from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:08 PM
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In a low real rate and inflationary environment it's better to hold debt than cash, so I'm not sure you can say everyone who holds debt is making a mistake. Using debt to buy assets and investing in yourself isn't dumb when cash inflates 7% a year
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:02 PM
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People who choose brawn in an information economy are doomed to serve those who choose brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:52 PM
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Investing in yourself is often a very smart thing to do. People talk smack about college but a bachelor's is still necessary to get most paying jobs that won't destroy your body by 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:44 PM
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Doesn't matter who creates technology, it exists and makes dumb male brawn obsolete. Also check out current college graduation rates - turns out when you let women get higher education, they're just as smart as men are. Perhaps even smarter considering how many men suffer from ADHD, video game addiction, etc. Also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_women_in_STEM_fields get started
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:50 PM
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Civilization is more peaceful than it's ever been and women can pull triggers just as easily as a man can.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:06 PM
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Technology
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:04 PM
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Single childless women report the highest levels of happiness. Source. They also live longer than their married peers. Basically the statistical happiness scale goes: Single women > married men > married women > single men. Same scale for life expectancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:15 PM
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Having sex with someone else before meeting you isn't cheating. Ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:10 PM
2

This attitude is exactly why women do it. Want women to tell you exactly what they want? Then stop judging them under your Madonna-Whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:39 PM
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After a certain earning level if you're still doing menial labor to prove your "masculinity" you're undervaluing your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 11:43 PM
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Yeah, but you can't be skinny and still carry your battle buddy to a medic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:43 PM
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Unfortunately, the modern economy tends to reward specialization - being a jack-of-all-trades, master of none tends to be uncompetitive. That being said, developing varies life skills is important - just make sure you also play to your strengths and double down on what you're an outlier at doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:41 PM
0

Really depends what you mean by "car light" - are you replacing your dome light or replacing a headlight assembly. I've done HID kits on car headlights, they involve disassembly of the front clip, removing the light assembly, baking it in an oven for a few hours to soften the adhesive, disassembling the headlight itself, installing the HID components, reassembling the headlight with auto adhesive, reinstalling the headlight, and then testing to make sure they're aligned properly. Definitely an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:04 PM
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Today tatted 6ft4 Viking thick bearded office worker doesn't know how to replace car light. Or maybe he realizes it's more efficient to specialize - if you're a software engineer that could earn $500 in the 5 hours it would take you to replace your car light, so you pay a shop $300 to do it for you, you're netting a $200 gain. Economic specialization is the real reason why most people don't grow all their own food, build their own cars, or make their own clothes, not a "crisis of masculinity."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:53 PM
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That's why women get powerful men. To put down the dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:45 AM
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Funny how you immediately jump to Soviet Union and not say, modern-day Germany. But yes, clearly having universal healthcare is one step away from the Gulag. We know this because of all the gulags people in Canada are sent to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:01 AM
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Yeah, men were real men when they breathed pure asbestos and had polio. I guarantee you due to better diets and healthcare men in 2022 are taller, stronger, and more handsome than they were in 1922.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:00 AM
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🙄 women are people who make their own decisions and decide for themselves what they want. Crazy to think you can live life with this much sheltered uncomfortablility with a whole half of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:23 AM
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They can still look for a successful man to marry if that's the life they want. You wouldn't want to quit your job and throw yourself on other people's mercy. Women just want the same thing - to become independent if they want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:18 AM
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If they want that, they're free to pursue it. If they want to make money, they can pursue that instead. And nobodies freedom needs to be curtailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:14 AM
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Well, good thing I don't actually believe it and am just mocking your ridiculous suggestion to imprison women for...having jobs? Can't make this shit up folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:07 AM
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Only after they commit the crime and damage society. Clearly it would be better to preemptively restrict male civil liberties since they are provably prone to violence and crime. The male can't be trusted with freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:58 AM
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Men commit 95%+ of all violent crime. Clearly it's men who can't be trusted with freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:50 AM
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"I don't like to kiss and tell" simple as that. The root of all this is the fact that many men are uncomfortable with the idea of not owning a woman's sexuality. This type of man can sleep around as much as he wants but a woman's body should only exist to pleasure one man, them, and no more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:27 PM
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Declining to volunteer information isn't the same as lying. Don't ask don't tell, no need to lie about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:20 PM
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It's funny that men think women having sex with men that aren't them is somehow equivalent to beating women physically. Again this just demonstrates the obsession men have with owning female sexuality and how powerful the madonna-whore complex really is. You can have your preferences but women also has the right to privacy. If a woman doesn't want to tell you the exact details of her past, she has the right to do so and you have the choice to decide if you are there to love her or to own her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 06:35 PM
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Declining to volunteer information =\= lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 06:31 PM
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It's pretty revealing that you think a woman having sex with men who aren't you is tantamount to rape, murder, and child abuse. Some people really do tell on themselves. And BTW, men hide those facts about themselves all the time if it thinks it will get them laid easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 06:29 PM
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If you love a woman for who she is today why should her actions yesterday make any difference whatsoever? Men really tell on themselves with this one. You admit even if you are 100% happy with a woman your opinion will suddenly change if you learned she liked sex with other men before you ever met her. She didn't change at all, she's still the same woman you're 100% happy with. You're just not satisfied anymore because you feel like your sexual ownership of her is threatened. The need to feel li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 12:31 AM
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if she did love him then why did she sleep with many other men. Literally because that was her past and she didn't know him yet? Men try as hard as they can to fuck as many women as possible, but without a hint of self-awareness turn around and blame their partners later for not saving their precious bodies for his enjoyment alone. Disturbing ownership mentality really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 12:24 AM
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If you actually cared about your future wife wouldn't you love her for who she is now in the present and not what choices she made in the past? If men are justified in having these purity expectations about how women should behave long before they even knew each other, I think women are equally justified in keeping their private histories private.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 08:17 PM
1

Sure, I think people have a right to financial privacy. Of course that's much easier to check and verify than whether someone had casual sex in college, so good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 08:14 PM
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Or just keep your private history private and let your partners decide if they like you based on your present character and not your past choices. Male purity expectations directly incentivize women withholding this intimate and private information but men will still get upset about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 08:13 PM
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Why should women be honest about something when that honesty will be used against them? As long as males try to enforce purity culture on women, those women are justified in declining to truthfully divulge their private sexual histories.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:38 PM
0

Like any religion or cult TRP buries the crazy and destructive under a veneer of common-sense. "Go lift, concentrate on your career, and btw it's good to be a dark-triad psychological abuser because all modern women are AWALT whores who deserve it anyway."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:16 PM
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Women reading this, this is why you never talk about your sexual past with men. Don't ask don't tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:07 PM
1

They hold views contrary to male interests. Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:33 PM
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The point is many women are coerced or manipulated by abusive men into these acts. Then when they leave their abuser and try to find someone who will treat them better and make the mistake of sharing their trauma, the next man gets insecure about it because they don't know how to relate to women besides physical ownership which is now in question by that previous man. This whole thread demonstrates a pretty dark part of the male psyche that revolves around ownership of women's bodies and the ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:45 AM
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It's so fucked up when men get upset that their partners don't want them to sexually exploit and abuse her in the same way her exes did. Maybe try loving the people you're spending your time with. Good lord.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:04 PM
2

8000 years ago 17 women reproduced for every one man. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:09 PM
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Dude, people don't care about anyone's average problems. Nobody who doesn't know you cares that you had a tough day, or that you're feeling bummed out, or whatever. We all have problems. What people care about are structural factors like laws and economics that affect well-being. And the truth is, there is almost nothing men are structurally prohibited from doing, and thanks to feminism, it's the same for women. There are no laws that stop men from voting, opening bank accounts, or going to coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:05 PM
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You don't need to be an army ranger to shoot someone trying to rape you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Protection_Units
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:57 PM
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I think one of us in this conversation hopes that. The other seems to secretly desire otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:56 PM
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Feminists don't say men's suffering doesn't matter. They say men don't face as many structural challenges that cause suffering and many of those that do are caused by toxic masculinity (don't show emotion, don't ask for help, etc.) Even kings can commit suicide but a "king rights advocate" wouldn't make much sense would it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:54 PM
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I'll bet on the woman trained with an AK vs a male MMA fighter in shorts all day long. But really it's all academic. We live in a stable society, desires of destructive men aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:51 PM
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Here's what happens when shit hits the fan in real life not your fantasies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Protection_Units Women can pull triggers just as easily as you can
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:44 PM
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Why do men always fantasize about the downfall of society and what they'll do to those weaker than them? Really doesn't speak well for the male psyche at all. And technology has equalled this playing field as well by the way. A woman can pull a trigger just as easily as a man can.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:42 PM
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You're arguing men as a class vs women as a class. From that perspective it's ridiculous to say men are worse off than women because of war when it's all men starting the wars. Maybe if women as a class were allowed more power in history, men would have been better off. If you want to further subdivide and talk low class vs high class, that's a different discussion than pure sexuality. And remember, the reason women don't go to war is because it takes far fewer men than women to rebuild a societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:42 PM
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"When things get scary" fortunately we've built a civilization where things rarely get that scary. But you know who want to do the scary things to women? Men. So I'm not sure if this is the anti-feminist point you think it is. I mean aren't you just telling women there are lots of men out there who want to abuse you if things went south and you can't trust them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:37 PM
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If some random person on the street who doesn't know you says "hey, you're useless" are you really going to get this cut up about it? Or are you going to be confident enough to know you aren't? Life tip - don't let your self worth be determined by random strangers on the street or on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:35 PM
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Then go be a homeless person and prove it. Men work because they need a paycheck and as long as they need to eat they will continue to do so. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:32 PM
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All men like you do is salivate over what atrocities you would do to women if society collapsed and you wonder why women don't want to date you now? Good men and women build, they don't desire destruction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:30 PM
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Men as a whole commit 90%+ of all violent crimes. What's more destructive to society, not being rich (and thus not paying high tax) or killing, looting, raping, and stealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:25 PM
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Chimp looking guy know that 4 weaklings can gang up on him. Historically speaking this doesn't work out like this. In prehistoric times strong men got harems and 90% of men didn't procreate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:23 PM
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If the market is willing to pay 100s of 1000s of dollars for your labor instead of literally anything else, then yes your labor is useful. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:22 PM
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Men are willing if they can see a possible return on their effort. It's no longer the case for young people, So you think men are just going to go be homeless? Really? You gain what you've always gained from your effort. Sustained life. And really it's not so hard to gain skills to lead a very comfortable life as well. People are not owed happiness and wealth just for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:16 PM
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What gender were the kings and dictators and generals ordering the marching and the going to war? A holistic study of history will reveal war is overwhelmingly a male-led phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:14 PM
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Men can dish it but they can't take it. Obviously the goal is less suffering, but consider that someone saying "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" isn't actually causing you to suffer unless you let it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:09 PM
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This whole post is men bitching about how everything is so hard for them when women couldn't even open a bank account until 1975. Male misogynists are truly the biggest snowflakes in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:07 PM
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You're free to go be a homeless person if you want. I don't think a bunch of dudes who whine about feminism on the internet are the backbone of society they pretend to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:01 PM
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There's not a single discussion about men's problems without a woman turning the argument to how many more problems women have. This is because men have dominated women politically, socially, and economically for all of human history until about 50 years ago. Even in the US women weren't allowed to open a bank account or get a line of credit without a man's permission until 1975. So no, men have not had to face the same structural challenges women have. Men as a class have reaped enormous reward…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:56 PM
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Maybe men would be more successful as a class if they didn't think they could solve all their problems by shooting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:49 PM
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As one commenter put it "Feminism has created weak and lazy men unfortunately." Why does providing women more opportunity cause men to become weak and lazy? I think the truth is the patriarchy allowed men to become weak, lazy, and complacent at the expense of the women who served them and now that weakness and complacency is being punished because the bar has been raised. Don't blame society for raising the bar, blame men who fail to reach it. It is still very possible as a man to build value an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:38 PM
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More women in the workforce = more women learning the skills to start or actively starting their own businesses which increases the supply of jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:26 PM
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But wouldn’t rich alphas use their personality not their resources to attract women? They could - but my assertion is that an alpha personality is attractive because it indicates high ability to secure resources in the future. I wouldn't advise any man to "lead with their money" as you say but I do think ability to earn and provide resources is one of the fundamental components of male attraction. Women want to sleep with men who are materially successful or have genetic traits that indicate (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 02:26 PM
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Would she still be with you if you had nothing to give her other than your body and natural personality? No? Then you’re beta. But aren't women attracted to "alpha" personalities because they're more likely to result in wealth? I.e. an ambitious assertive leader type is 100% going to be more materially wealthy than a underconfident doormat office drone. So isn't at least part of the alpha attraction the better potential for wealth and resources? So I think broke alpha vs. rich beta is a misnomer…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 01:54 PM
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Do you think he hates women? Do you think hating women is a characteristic of men you want to emulate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 05:31 AM
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I'm sorry to hear you're having a rough time. Could you tell me a bit about the most positive male influence you've had in your life? Just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:54 AM
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I agree with you - I live in an up-and-coming city in the US popular with young professionals and everyone I see out takes pride in their appearance. It's why I don't really relate to women who think men aren't making an effort - maybe the men who aren't bothering to go out aren't, but the guys who are making an effort to be social etc. are all above average looking wrt dress, physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:58 PM
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Which is why women are directly incentivized to hide or downplay their past experiences and shouldn't be blamed for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 04:37 PM
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I guess I disagree that either of those are numbers games haha. A skilled poker player gets rich off unskilled players. How much do you agree with the following statement: "Attraction isn't a choice - displaying attractive traits will make you attractive. Acting on that attraction is a choice."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:57 PM
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I think the common definition of a numbers game is any game that is mostly determined by chance, not skill or choice. I don't think having to practice to get good at something, which is true of every sport/game/skill, qualifies those activities as number games.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:45 PM
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By your definition there is no game that is not a numbers game. Baseball players have to play a lot of baseball to get good at it, I suppose that means baseball is a numbers game as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:12 PM
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TRP is nothing to do with sex and dating How can you say this with a straight face? The entire point is sex and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:11 PM
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You're correct in the idea that there's no magic bullet to make every woman on Earth want you, and even Ryan Gosling would strike out with a few of them. But you're incorrect in the idea that it's a pure "numbers game" because there are traits that are nearly universally attractive to women and expressing those traits well will do better than not. There is skill involved, whereas a pure numbers game by definition means skill doesn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 09:34 PM
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Yes, the point is not to change who you are necessarily but present the best version of yourself to women as efficiently and attractively as possible. That being said if a man's character is that of a lazy unambitious slob who prefers playing video games to making anything of themselves, perhaps a change of character isn't the worst thing in the world either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 09:30 PM
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I know this is an unpopular opinion among men who are desperate to find an excuse they can blame their lack of success on other than themselves, but physical attraction is much less important to women than it is to men. I believe inner traits and strength of character is more important for men who want to be sexually desirable and appearance is just something you have to show you care about and put an effort into.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 09:27 PM
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I think monogamy generally benefits men more because historically harems and polygyny were practiced by the most successful men at the expense of the rest. It is true that throughout history far fewer men reproduced than women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 06:28 PM
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If some men are better with women than others, that implies being good with women is a skill that can be developed. It's like poker. Yes getting dealt a good hand (meeting a girl who is into you) is the most important thing but skillful players will outperform unskilled ones over longer time periods because they can turn around poor hands and maximize gains from good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:53 PM
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That's the exact same advice TRP gives it's members wrt spinning plates, dread game etc. Turns out all humans are prone to jealousy and in any relationship the person with more obvious options has leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:49 PM
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Nobody is obligated to do anything, but it is better as a man to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 03:43 PM
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"The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil." - Cicero
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:55 PM
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Do something about it We do. Put them in cages or graves as efficiently as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:51 PM
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In my opinion rejecting the existence of good and evil is something the morally bankrupt do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:51 PM
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women being cock guzzling jezebells I've made my points to my satisfaction and I don't have the time to waste convincing scum of the earth women haters to be better people when you'd rather live in filth. Enjoy the fact women are free to do what they want, and what they want to do isn't you, and there's nothing you can do to change it besides self-reflection and personal growth - which I doubt is even possible for someone so emotionally stunted and intellectually malformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:14 PM
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The statistics disprove your misogynist delusions. Women are much less likely to abandon their children and are much more likely to support their children after a separation. Those are just facts, do what you want with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:11 PM
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It's pretty fucking evil and the way we deal with sexual evil is the same way we deal with all other types: put the perpetrators in cages or graves as fast and hard as we can.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:09 PM
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Why do you think it's right to force people not to be with the people they want to be with? How coercive and evil is that. Somehow I don't think guys like you would be happy if women decided to be celibate instead, so yeah eventually your line of thought gets us to "let's force the women to fuck us." I'm just skipping ahead a few steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 06:08 PM
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25% of American children have absent fathers, and only about 26% pay any child support. Absent mothers 4% and just about half of absent mother pay child support. The numbers are quite clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:45 PM
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You think that is sustainable? Yes. If the truth will kill it, let it die. Or in other words, if something can't be changed without forcing people to do things they don't want, then it shouldn't be changed at all. Why would marrying someone you didn't know to save your family from destitution be worse than women creating fatherless children and jumping from cock to cock Because nobody should be forced through social coercion to fuck someone they don't want. Also, arranged marriages promote the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:42 PM
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In the sphere of gender relations and dating? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:25 PM
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Then tell men to stop abandoning their families when they have kids they weren't prepared for. A single mother is an example of a parent who stepped up to their responsibility while the man stepped out because he couldn't handle his shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:17 PM
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I value the individual's right to romantic freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:15 PM
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I just question the amount of social pressure involved in even "benign" arranged marriages. I don't have a problem with parents getting together to try to "matchmake" their children, but that would never be called arranged marriage so maybe we have a definitional problem. For me the problem is the social coercion. Using that pressure to enforce an arranged relationship is unacceptable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:44 PM
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Perhaps my experience is atypical but the only times I've (as a wealthy westerner) encountered arranged marriages in real life is 1st-gen immigrant families who want to send their children back to the home country for an arranged marriage with a family the parents want closer ties with, whether for business or other reasons. It's always heartbreaking to witness the daughter forced to choose between her sexual/romantic autonomy and the love of her family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:25 PM
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If it was socially acceptable for me to approach random people on the street and politely chat them up Generally speaking it still is, provided you are socially calibrated when doing the approach. Almost all the anxiety men feel about cold approach is internal, not an actual danger. I still prefer to talk to strangers in situations where it's a little more appropriate like shared activities or bars/social venues, but I don't think there's anything wrong with approaching on the street either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:22 PM
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You all have the most whitewashed image of arranged marriages possible. Arranged marriages aren't "here's some nice guys to choose from" that's just (arguably overinvolved) normal parenting. Arranged marriages are more like "you're going to marry and sleep with this guy because he is the son of your father's business partner and if you refuse your entire family will disown you and kick you to the street." Arranged marriages are a violation of human autonomy and fundamentally wrong. Everyone shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:16 PM
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Almost all arranged marriage cultures involve some level of social coercion to achieve the arrangement - it's not "we'll shoot you if you don't fuck this guy" but more "we and all your family will disown you and kick you out of you don't fuck this guy." The context is the same - decisions are being made on behalf of the woman that she did not choose freely, whether through actual force or extreme social pressure. I've seen this in my own life with immigrant families who disown their daughters fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:13 PM
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Not getting laid is no excuse for violence. That is the definition of evil and one responsibility of good men is to defend the innocent against the evil ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:10 PM
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Yes there is consequence because it's harder to raise a child by yourself than it is with a partner. This is ridiculous, really the biggest cause of single mothers is men shirking their responsibilities cause they can't handle fatherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:40 AM
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How is a man abandoning his responsibility somehow the fault of the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:37 AM
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Women don't object to threesomes because of the sex, women object to them because women perceive threesomes as a threat to their relationship. It's a fear of replacement/jealousy, not sexuality that's the problem. I understand this is anecdotal but in my experience 80-90% of women who are attracted enough to me to have casual sex, would also be attracted enough to me + a hot girl to be intrigued and interested by the possibility of a threesome. There are actually a lot of benefits to attracting …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:30 AM
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So your solution is to pressure/coerce/force women to be with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:51 AM
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Depriving choice in those matters is wrong. I doubt you'll have much success returning arranged marriages so I think it's a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:44 AM
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It's completely unethical to refuse a person free choice in those matters even if men are neurotically worried they might not get their peen wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:35 AM
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Forcing people to marry and sleep with someone they didn't choose seems fine to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:30 AM
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And they're unacceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:21 AM
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that does not mean society is not unfair and we shouldn't point out it should be changed. How are you going to change dating to make it more fair without forcing some people to date/sleep with other people they don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:15 AM
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The reason why the last post rang true is because dating is a fundamentally free market. It is entirely unacceptable to force a person of either gender to date or sleep with someone they don't want to. So in a free dating market, the only option for any player is to do the best they can and from there let the chips fall where they may. Whinging about unfairness in outcome really doesn't make a difference because in dating, we've all agreed that freedom of association outweighs equality of outcom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:14 AM
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"Being embraced by society" = every man is entitled to a woman to use for sex against her will to you? Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:42 PM
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And yet all studies on the issue show a clear increase in the incidence of human trafficking after prostitution is legalized, not less. Because the demand for prostitutes greatly outstrips the ability of the state to regulate where they are coming from. Prostitution isn't like drugs or prohibition because those are inanimate materials that are produced in factories. There is no such supply chain for women, especially in developed countries there are far fewer women willing to be legally prostitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:04 PM
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Turns out when you legalize prostitution demand for prostitutes increases, and human traffickers are very much motivated to meet that demand by any means necessary. Trafficking poor and vulnerable Eastern European women to brothels in the Netherlands, Germany etc. is incredibly common. But of course most men look the other way because the peen comes first.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:22 PM
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Then provide another source with other reputable cited studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:19 PM
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Legalized prostitution results in higher rates of sex trafficking than prohibiting prostitution. Source: https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:45 PM
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Women like sex but they only want it with "the best."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:53 AM
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From your source, in the 18-29 age range the difference in the cheat rate between genders is 1% - 11% women, 10% men. Not exactly a slam dunk there. And men are overwhelmingly more likely to cheat in every other age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:58 AM
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The best any of us can do is let other people live their lives how they choose regardless of their gender and let the chips fall where they may. If the consequences of ending discrimination against women yesterday are sexless men today, I say so be it. The freedom to reject a sexual partner and be allowed to earn a living without them is a desirable end in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:34 AM
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Money is not the only way to attract women. It is in fact possible to attract women without requiring them to be financially dependent on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:07 AM
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More guys get raped in jail than the entirety of free women in this country so stfu And those men are raped by which gender?
/r/seduction16/08/21 10:22 PM
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Yes, and similarly women don't owe unattractive men sex or attention, but it's only the men who go on killing sprees when they don't get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:28 PM
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They basically said: let's just make women into men and figure the rest out later. But the rest isn't being figured out because women can't really be men. Feminists just want women to have the right to be able to live on their own and be self-sufficient without needing to marry a man they despise if they want financial security. That is a good thing, not a bad one, and if it results in women being more picky, so what? Why would we want a world where women are forced by social discrimination to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:24 PM
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I mean if we ignore the civilizational collapse going on around us ??? Dude, we in the first world are not living in civilizational collapse. So overdramatic and insulting to the millions of people actually going through civilization collapsing right now (Afghanistan.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:19 PM
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I don't think you're a liar. I think the ideal relational goal of women is to find a high value man who is devoted to her. The problem for women is that high value men are in high demand, which means they have lots of options, which means it's hard to get them to devote themselves to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 09:07 PM
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Wholesome =\= loser. Women almost universally don't date losers, which is why when they do it's an exception to the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 08:10 PM
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A hot woman dating a loser is a clear exception to the general rule of female hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 07:25 PM
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Why do some gorgeous women date losers? There are exceptions for every rule. Also, I actually think it's possible to be wholesome and a player. Ex. JFK.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 06:56 PM
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Everyone in our society should be allowed the expectation of physical safety. There is no possible world where the blame of an assault or violence should be put on the victim for their choices - the blame should always lies on the perpetrator of the act. Any statement that obfuscates this truth "well, maybe you shouldn't have gone to that bar/walked home that way/worn those clothes" is harmful and wrong because it is a redirection of blame away from the responsible party.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 12:12 AM
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It's a little more complicated than this, but the short answer is almost all heterosexual men desire a variety of sexual partners. Whether or not they get it is a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:53 PM
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I was just looking at the whole thing objectively. Pros and cons. That's good. It's the only way to build a cohesive sense of morality, and too many people don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:49 PM
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In one form or another, you will have to be there for another man's child(ren).You will most likely have to tolerate the father(s) being part of her life to some extent, however small (even if, or rather especially if she is a widow) It's pretty much this. The genetic drive men have to ensure their lives and resources are being spent to rear their own offspring and pass on their own genes is very powerful. Both raising another man's children and allowing another man such a significant role in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:44 PM
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Yes, but the point is most women won't approach a man even if they're attracted to him. Women generally prefer to use IOIs and other signals to let the man she's attracted to know she wants to be approached by him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:34 PM
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They are already being attacked anyway. They feel justified morally (revenge) and they have a lot to gain (a chance at better lives). Well, I'm not saying to be a doormat for others or let people do whatever they want to you. If someone is using violence against you I believe you are morally justified to defend yourself with commiserate levels of violence. What I think is both immoral and not in your long-run self interest is using violence unprovoked to get something you want. Committing unprov…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:26 PM
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You know I actually disagree with you about the benefits of acting immorally in a business setting. There is a reason Warren Buffet lists integrity as the most important of the three qualities of a successful businessman (integrity, intelligence, and energy); because without integrity, the other attributes are meaningless. It's useless to be smart and energetic if nobody wants to work with you because you lack integrity, and in fact a smart and energetic person who is willing to screw you over i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:15 PM
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Well, there's a reason we don't use violence beyond just the inherent immorality of it, though that should be sufficient - there is also the fact that the more you use violence against others, the more likely it is for others to use violence against you. For example you wouldn't be helping your kids much if one day the people you were violent against came back to take violent (and arguably justified) revenge on your family. Or a stranger seeing your propensity for violence decides to destroy you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:40 PM
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Now we can put morality back which do you think is more moral/acceptable? I don't believe it's ever moral to harm other people to advance your own position. That is a foundational part of living a moral life and is something that could be used to separate good and evil - i.e. evil is the willingness to harm others in order to help yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:09 PM
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Doing morally wrong things (theft, murder etc.) can often benefit the perpetrator, but that doesn't make those actions moral or justifiable. The ends do not always justify the means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:54 PM
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More attractive traits you show > the more attractive you get > the more options you have > the more control you have over the relationships you choose to get into.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:43 PM
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That's fair. Don't want to get too personal but it sounds like you're a woman, which type do you most closely identify with and are you happy with the amount of male attention you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:40 PM
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I disagree. I think certain traits are universally attractive to women and the more of those traits you have, the more generally attractive you will be to all women. Very few women like neurotic, socially uncalibrated, unconfident guys. Very few women don't like confident, self-assured, and socially well-adjusted men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:38 PM
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I believe you, but my point is more that a man isn't going to be turned off by a woman if she acts timidly - whereas a woman will be turned off by a man who acts timidly. I think the hit on/approach aspect is more of the unconscious defensiveness some timid women give off ("resting bitch face" to use an unpleasant but accurate term.) It's unfortunate but the truth is men are more cowardly than most women think, a friendly and outgoing woman is just easier to approach so men do it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:33 PM
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More attractive = more options = more opportunity for relationships. Also, my point is that having more/better options means you are more likely to value a relationship with any single individual less (because you have other options if this one doesn't work out.) And again, in a self-motivated world, the person who values a relationship less has the upper hand in any negotiation regarding that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:28 PM
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Sure that's fair (though I would say timidness isn't a negative trait for women) but my point is the more those traits show themselves in your behavior, the less attractive you are to the opposite sex. That's what "breaking frame" means to a man - showing uncertainty/shyness/neediness, even for a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:24 PM
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So you disagree that most people generally look out for themselves in life, especially when evaluating their relationships with strangers? You do you, but I would call that mindset naive at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:21 PM
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Even if your analysis is true which I would argue against, this is pure deflection of responsibility. Women wanting high status men is not an excuse to resort to violence and the actions of violent men are their responsibility alone, not women's. The healthy way to respond to the female preference for status is self-improvement, not violence, and violent men bear the full responsibility for their actions, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:16 PM
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You're right, but depending on the individual woman and the specific circumstances/context that emotional flaw/weakness can absolutely destroy attraction as a man. Especially in ONS situations women are very sensitive to weakness of character or personality. Women generally want strong leaders/"alpha males" (to use an unscientific but accurate term) for casual sex and anything a man does that undermines his image as a leader or top percentage man is a guaranteed attraction killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:09 PM
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Says who Says life. Unfortunately/fortunately (depending on your outlook) everyone is looking out for themselves, especially when first starting to date a stranger. In that way a new relationship is like a negotiation where each person is trying to determine what they can gain and what they may lose. And in any negotiation the person who wants what the other has the least is the most likely to come out on top. If you are a man with lots of options you will be able to have more relationships on y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:04 PM
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acting in a way you're not is faking it. There's a reason why the term "fake it till you make it" is popular in male dating advice. Emulating high value traits is the best way to build them because of the social reinforcement you get. Acting like you have high confidence > leads to increased female attention > results in truly high confidence. And I'm not talking about casual sex, im talking about long term relationships It's best to be as attractive as possible even if you want serious relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:50 PM
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Unfortunately men who are timid, unsure of themselves, and sexually needy don't get laid a lot. So they are incentivized by female selection to emulate those traits. And that's not a bad thing - why is it bad to try to purposefully improve traits like sociability, extrovertedness, and self-confidence? Lots of men need to improve these traits just like how they improve their bodies in the gym. "Don't hate the player, hate the game."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:16 PM
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We live with the best quality of life at any time in human history. Human suffering (starvation, disease, etc.) is lower than it's ever been in recorded history. We're doing pretty great. For more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rational_Optimist
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:11 PM
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Based on what? OLD picture only studies where frame can't be conveyed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:50 PM
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Especially in a casual situation a man who initially acts very confidently, self-assuredly and non-needy will turn off women if later in the interaction he suddenly becomes timid, defensive, and needy. The amount of tolerance a woman has to "slips" like this depends on the individual but it absolutely is a behavior that exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:47 PM
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Unfortunately women do prefer frame to looks. Frame is a loaded term but you can more or less sum it up as self-assuredness and/or self-confidence, both of which are extremely attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:37 PM
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Approach is a poor metric because women are more reluctant to approach men regardless of their attraction level. Women approaching does occasionally happen but it is the exception not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:33 PM
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My point is lifetime male sexlessness isn't caused by "alpha male" polygyny, because these men aren't taking the women off market forever. Perhaps in some cohorts (20s) female scarcity does happen, but in the long run women seem to prefer monogamous relationships and nobody has open permanent harems in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 06:13 PM
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The men with multiple partners don't have to keep them exclusive. Most of the time that damages the relationship with the one "special" woman with whom the man shares resources and fathers children with. Casual sex with multiple partners doesn't cause scarcity because those women are free to go on and find relationships, if that's what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 05:36 PM
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I can't speak to the studies and I do agree that the vast majority of children are conceived by their "rightful" fathers. However I also believe that AF/BB is a thing based on anecdotal experiences in my life being on both sides of that dichotomy. On my self-improvement journey as a male it was almost sad to see the women who treated my beta orbiter friends like they didn't exist treat me entirely differently despite the fact my friends put far more effort in than I ever did. Even some of my fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:50 PM
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The ideal for most men is clearly sexual variety alongside relational monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:31 PM
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intentions to use women for sex through any means necessary would be deterred by paying for an extra meal? Uh, yes. Clearly reddit "nice guys" hate having to pay for dinners so yeah, it makes sense that someone who is even more of a sex-obsessed misogynist would as well (even thought really those two groups have basically the same attitudes towards women just expressed at different levels of subtlety.) So the fact that a guy paid for a date isn't an effective vetting strategy 2 guys identical in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:50 PM
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As we all know, modern women are strong and independent, but now she’s telling me with her behavior that she is in fact weak and dependent? Which one is it? Maybe it's a strong woman who is tired of men trying to get away with expending the least amount of time and money possible to get into her panties and is leveraging the insane amount of male attention all women are inundated with to make sure she only spends time with the men who are sincerely interested in her - i.e. the men who are willin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:16 PM
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Last time I checked common etiquette, asking a stranger instead of a friend out to dinner makes it even more the inviter's responsibility to pay for the food, not less. Anyway, still not sure where "integrity" comes in, except for the same old story of lame dudes trying to guilt trip women into lowering their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 05:44 PM
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They exchange their integrity for a free meal. Lol wtf does this even mean. Do you "exchange your integrity" when your friend invites you to dinner at their house and doesn't ask for money for the ingredients?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:51 PM
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Read the horror stories of women who are cheated on and left with no marketable experience/skills after 15 years out of the workforce with zero network and you might realize why. Wanting to be self-reliant is not a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:49 PM
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The counterpoint is that vetting men by whether or not they pay is risk management for women. Making men invest time and money before sex is the only way to prove long-term interest in a world where so many men will say anything to get in an attractive woman's panties.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:42 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:35 PM
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Ever hear of this bud? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration_anxiety You need thicker skin. It's waaay too easy to push your buttons lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:00 PM
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I get women that are better looking than i am. Because you work to demonstrate an attractive personality and try to be sexually charismatic, yeah? Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:57 AM
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Yeah but if guys on Reddit actually talked to women they might get rejected...and it's much safer to jerk themselves off on the internet about how no women will ever love them because their jawline won't cut glass. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Glad to see another guy on here willing to risk something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:52 AM
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Unfortunately yes it's hard to be extremely introverted and attractive to women. You can't just sit in the corner of the bar waiting for people to notice how cool you are, as a man you need to approach and show the women you're interested in that you are a valuable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:47 AM
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Oh wait, so you're too scared to talk to women in real life? Oh, well there's your problem right there. No shit people are superficial on Tinder, but even I still do better than that guy on dates (because he's a fake person made up by people too scared to ever talk to a girl in real life.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:43 AM
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5 As of Attraction: assertiveness assuredness aliveness attentiveness and appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:23 PM
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Feel free to continue thinking you are entirely dependent on waiting for women to pick you and there's nothing you can do to become more attractive to women, no skin off my back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:50 PM
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Because many men who are friendzoned don't have a sexually attractive personality, they have a platonically attractive one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:33 PM
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Like what skills exactly? Here's some social skills around romance and sex men commonly struggle with that they could be trying to improve: Managing and overcoming approach anxiety Developing the ability to show sexual intent in socially calibrated ways Developing the ability to escalate sexually both verbally and physically in ways that are comfortable for the woman Cultivating a self-congruent and attractive inner mindset ("inner game.") Learning about what frames of mind are most attractive a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:26 PM
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And the commodification of women's bodies (implying using someone's body for sex against their will is equivalent to having a meal at a restaurant) continues. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:18 PM
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A thought experiment here would be to imagine showing a man a picture of a hot woman and asking him if he would sleep with her right then and there if he could. 99% of the time, he will say yes. Do the same experiment with the genders reversed, and women will in general be much more reticent to fuck right on the spot with no information besides appearance. This is because women need time to assess a man's strength of character as part of their attraction. As another example, high status ugly men…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:12 PM
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No it doesn't. Personality and charisma matters more for men than looks. Ask any woman about hot guys who totally blew it when they started talking, or less physically appealing men who were confident, funny, and attractive in conversation. If attraction for men is a light switch, for women it is a dimmer. EDIT: Also, this is one of the biggest self-sabotage areas for men. Convincing yourself looks are all that matter and you'll never be attractive because of genetics is such a cop-out and an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:35 PM
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If not getting laid turns you into a socially stunted misogynist, that's on you, not the women who didn't want to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:25 PM
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You're the one who called "depriving sex" bullying, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:19 PM
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If a woman is undesirable in the sexual marketplace, she blames herself - but if men are undesirable in the sexual marketplace, they blame the women who don't desire them. Another example of men refusing to take responsibility for their shortcomings due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 05:40 PM
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Denying sex isn't bullying. Somebody doing nothing to you is by definition not harming you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 05:33 PM
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I'm 58 and hooked up with a 20yo coworker You do you but that's the worst example of shitting where you eat I've ever seen lol.
/r/seduction04/08/21 07:30 PM
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Uncommon but it def happens.
/r/seduction04/08/21 02:44 PM
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Most importantly you need to get away from the idea that only assholes are attractive to women. Yes assholes sometimes have the traits that attract women (assertiveness, confidence/cockiness etc.) but it is absolutely and 100% possible to be a good, ethical man and still be very attractive to women. I think convincing yourself that only assholes can be good with women is just cope - you are rationalizing your own unattractiveness by pretending you don't even want to be attractive, because attrac…
/r/seduction03/08/21 08:12 PM
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I think women are less concerned about looks than men are. I do have good physical stats and take pride in my appearance but I think conveying an "alpha male" attitude and personality is more important. Also picking up girls is generally easier with another girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:46 PM
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I don't think getting 4 women pregnant at once is anything to be proud of lol. Sounds like a lot of downside. I have had more MFF threesomes than many men have had sexual partners though, and I do consider myself to be an ethical person. I believe in leaving every woman better than I found them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:41 PM
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That's funny lol. I already beat that guy because I have a feeling I'm just as successful with women and I'm not in prison. Haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:27 PM
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Yeah mystery is a little outdated and it is US centric where women tend to be a little colder/dismissive (nice way of saying bitchier), so getting polarization and spiking emotionality early works better in the US than other cultures where women might be more open and negs just piss them off or offend them. I think it's best to stay positive to neutral early when building rapport and then start doing push/pulls later. I only do push/pulls I never neg outright because women know about negging now…
/r/seduction03/08/21 06:23 PM
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That's fair, meeting strange men on the apps is risky for women I agree. On the darker side I also think women (and high value men tbf) like using OLD for validation even if they don't really intend to date people they meet on them. Even if she only wants to date social circle acquaintances I think women still find it very validating to hit up Tinder and see dozens of men who would be willing to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:16 PM
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So you only date within your social circle, meaning friends, friends of friends etc.? One reason why people might prefer OLD to social circle is because the set of potential matches is much higher. For example an attractive young woman who due to circumstances of upbringing only knows uneducated lower-class men in her social circle could find an educated higher-class man via OLD. The wide net of online allowed her to find a higher quality partner than she would have if she had to rely only on he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:08 PM
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It's the implied abundance of options. Whether or not you actually have abundant options depends on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:01 PM
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I think this should show you not to open with a negative statement, keep the open positive (complimentary) or neutral, on a first line you haven't built up enough social capital to start negging even playfully IMO. Save that stuff for later in the set.
/r/seduction03/08/21 04:56 PM
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You've never seen her in person before? Ask her out then. Even if she's "too short" for you or whatever it's just 3-4 hours of your life. You need some face to face time ASAP in my opinion.
/r/seduction03/08/21 04:46 PM
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I think the idea of "indifference" is not being uncaring about your partner, but more having the confidence to know that you will be okay with or without them. Sort of like the common dating advice to be a complete person who is happy even single, and therefore you are only with people when you make each other's lives even better. Having the confidence to know you will be okay alone is what makes men non-needy and attractive - and leads to early indifference or perhaps a better word, outcome ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:29 PM
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Cold approach is hard. It wouldn't work as well as it does if it didn't (if every guy found it easy to cold approach, everyone would do it.) Guys don't cold approach because approach anxiety makes it difficult, but that's what makes you stand out when you do approach! Like most things in game the best way to get over AA is to internalize the idea that you are valuable, you are enough, and therefore you are not an interruption, an imposition, or a burden. Internalizing those ideas ensures you do …
/r/seduction03/08/21 04:01 PM
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Indifference/arrogance is attractive but that doesn't mean it's necessarily unethical or "assholish." A man who is focused on his life's mission, has lots of options, and is highly personally congruent/self-confident will have a natural "take it or leave it" attitude towards most women in his life - that is attractive to women, but it doesn't make him an asshole. It just means he has options, is motivated by life goals other than pussy, and isn't afraid to polarize the woman by being his own per…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:41 PM
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All human civilizations experience a declining birth rate as they get wealthy because children become an economic cost rather than an economic gain (you have to pay for college instead of using your kids as field labor for free.) Nobody is going to pillage anybody else for resources because we have nuclear weapons that deter WWII style warfare, no nuclear armed power will ever be directly invaded by another. Meanwhile technology, free trade, and scientific advances have ensured our population li…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:33 PM
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Good. Freedom in dating is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:57 PM
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Most men are mediocre (80/20 rule remember?) It doesn't surprise me most men especially among PPD redditors don't know how to be attractive so they defend their unattractiveness by pretending it's impossible to be ethical and attractive at the same time - but in truth it absolutely is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:50 PM
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Nope. You can be confident/assertive and a leader and still be an ethical person. Try it sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:47 PM
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Men were always shitty to women, feminism just gave women the power to ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:46 PM
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Such a false dichotomy. You can be ethical and get laid a lot/find love at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:44 PM
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I believe most men's ideal sex lives involve variety, but that doesn't mean most men would cheat or treat women badly. Get men to speak honestly on the subject and most will include many different women in a "dream* sex life - but men realize it is a dream and they don't think they have a shot at it, so they seek fulfillment in monogamy, which can be very fulfilling for men I agree. However at the end of the day I think there is a strong biological drive for variety, and the real trick for men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:06 AM
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Counterpoint: historically open harems were the norm for high value men. Today they are softer and hidden from the public view, but nonetheless present. I would not be surprised if many male ultra high net worth individuals, celebrities, and sports stars have soft harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:58 AM
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Maybe you're right. All I know is that I would much rather be a male homeless person than a female one knowing what can happen to women forced into those circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 07:56 PM
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Seems more like men just have higher representation at both ends of the bell curves of success. That doesn't make it fallacious to say men make up most of the successful in society, even if they also make up most of the failures as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:23 PM
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Vast majority of world millionaires and billionaires are men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:52 PM
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It's actually quite difficult to violate a prenup that was signed with witnesses and notarized, provided you didn't ask for obviously illegal things like child support waivers. You guys need better counsel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:36 PM
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You know prenups exist right? Get a good lawyer and don't ask for unreasonable shit that will get tossed out (like waiving child support.) Getting to live every day in a home full of love is something everyone should strive for I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:29 PM
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There are other openers that work a lot better because they're more direct and to the point. I.e. "you look cute/fun/interesting so I wanted to meet you." Already you're establishing premise and are proving you have the guts to be more direct rather than beating around the bush by asking for a lighter.
/r/seduction01/08/21 10:31 PM
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In what world do you need to talk about smoking and drinking to start a conversation?
/r/seduction01/08/21 06:11 AM
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Well I know 2 guys IRL who have legit harems, not something I aspire to but I absolutely believe it happens. Anyway good post, thanks for the advice.
/r/seduction01/08/21 05:55 AM
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good game is about maximizing any all attractive traits you have, presenting it unapologetically, and then letting the chips fall where they may. More or less agree (though I would say you shouldn't "let the chips fall where they may" you should keep careful control of your chips and how you play them) but I think the overall point should be that being attractive is within your control, rather than something you have no control over and the girl just decides on. If you express attractive traits …
/r/seduction31/07/21 09:33 PM
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I don't agree with most of this. I do not think attraction is a choice, if you work to display masculine attractive qualities (assertiveness, assuredness, etc.) and looksmax you will be attractive to most women. Then your job is just to show them why they should act on that attraction (by sleeping with you or whatever) and making that action a "win" for the girl. I don't think you need 500+ approaches under your belt to get good at cold approach. If you're a good learner and try new things a lot…
/r/seduction31/07/21 09:11 PM
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Why can't you just say "on a scale of 1-10, how happy are you with your situation in life?" or something to that effect. It might not be 100% conclusive but I think aggregated over a large enough sample size you'll find out which cohorts are happier with their situation and which aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:12 AM
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Yeah I can't relate to that mindset at all. You know women are turned on by guys who have standards for the women they want to be with and turned off by guys who will sleep with any willing female with a pulse, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:07 AM
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I guess I can't relate to that mindset at all haha. Women can smell men who are desperate and will take anything - guys do a lot better in when they have standards, cultivate an abundance mentality, and actually make sure girls live up to those standards before they sleep with her. Nothing turns women off more than a man who is obviously desperate to sleep with any female with a pulse because he doesn't have any other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:06 AM
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Are you saying if a man went to a brothel (a real life example of this kind of store) he wouldn't care about the appearance of the woman? Everyone wants the best they can get for themselves. More or less a universal truth there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:41 PM
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You could just as easily construct a similar joke about men (1st floor high libido, 2nd floor high libido and hot, 3rd floor high libido, hot, and can hold intelligent conversation etc.). The truth is in the absence of other information people naturally seek the best they can get for themselves. So why wouldn't you keep going up the floors if there's no information about the rug pull at the end?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:46 PM
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Lol at the fragile male ego. Go plumb my toilet while I get my nails done, and make it snappy 😂💅
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:03 PM
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Given that single men are perfectly able to have sex if they can, why should the sexual marketplace be interfered with? Given that men are perfectly able to work, why should we give out any kind of welfare at all? Your argument is just an argument against welfare in general. Which I don't agree with because I think a wealthy civilization should be able to provide for the needs of those without, to the ability of that civilization. Key word there being needs. Sex is not a need, and your hand wrin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:52 AM
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I'm sorry but this seems like projection of a political vendetta. Truth is welfare is not allowing people to live lives of luxury, try to live on nothing but government assistance in America and you'll see what I mean. Our social safety net as it stands is very thin and fragile. Furthermore a sexless man is very able to use his welfare check to fly to Vegas and see a prostitute if his situation is truly that desperate. Your animosity towards single mothers is also revealing considering that is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:32 PM
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well thought out argument for why it's different It's pretty simple really. Food, water, and shelter are necessary to live. Sex is not. So they aren't the same - you can absolutely want to provide necessities to those who need them, but not sex, and not be a hypocrite because sex isn't a necessity. I agree there's no natural law that forces us to give food to the hungry - it is our own internal morality that encourages us to build civilizations that provide for the basic needs of our fellow man,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:22 PM
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You seem to have a very ancap mindset, which is fine. What I don't understand is why you would then want to interfere with the dating market, which is one of the most free markets any of us will ever experience. A capitalist should love the clear competitiveness of it. Not getting laid? Sucks to suck, but that's what the market decided. Hugely transparent when you don't care about people starving to death, but not getting your peen wet? Biggest tragedy in the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:49 PM
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Of course not. But humans feel the moral obligation to provide the basics necessities of life to those who will die without them. Casual sex is not a basic necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:53 PM
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Maybe let's start with the unfairnesses that lead to death like starvation from not being able to afford food, and leave the unfairness of not getting your peen wet for later. Needs > wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:51 PM
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Translation: "Just be more alpha, BRO!" Well yeah, you need to provide value to be attractive to women. Most guys aren't able to approach women because they're too scared, so being able to approach even with the worst execution ever is still a big step up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:32 PM
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The question was "who judges women's sexuality" and I gave an answer. The justifications for the judgement don't matter as much as recognizing women are in fact judged for their sexuality. I do think some personality traits like adventurousness and a general tendency towards hedonism are correlated with higher n-counts but I personally have those traits to a certain degree as well, so I enjoy being with that type of woman and don't think poorly of them at all. In fact, they are some of the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:16 PM
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women are meeting irl the men who don’t give a shit about being appropriate. While men who do care go about living their lives missing opportunity. False dichotomy - there are tons of opportunities where approaching strangers is appropriate, like social gatherings, entertainment venues, and group activities. If you're the type of guy who gets mad at "feminism" because a woman trying to get to her class/job in the middle of the weekday doesn't have time for your socially uncalibrated pickup lines…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:55 PM
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All men who judge women's worth based on their n-count, for starters. See also - madonna/whore dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:10 PM
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You being anxious about cold approaching strangers isn't feminism's fault. If you approach a woman in a socially calibrated way nobody is going to start screaming "help! I'm being harassed!" especially if you choose appropriate venues to socialize with strangers in. Fear is the mind-killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:08 PM
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Simple rule: every time you make eye contact with a girl, she has to look away first. Practice strong eye contact (with a smile/smirk so you don't come off like a serial killer) with every girl you see, it will help with your anxiety and it's attractive to women.
/r/seduction27/07/21 04:54 AM
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Being generally submissive doesn't mean being a robot with no thoughts or ability to do anything for yourself. It just means preferring someone else to take the lead in difficult situations. For example a shy woman letting her husband/boyfriend take the lead in conversation with strangers because she feels social anxiety is often very natural. Not everyone is a born leader and many people, men and women, feel more comfortable when they are in a relationship with someone they trust to take the le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 11:18 PM
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If women are so strong and independent they should be able to get to a police station Not if they were trafficked into the country illegally and don't have papers, making deportation the greater fear. Not if they don't speak the language and aren't familiar with local legal protections, or were convinced they don't have any by their trafficker. Not if their pimp has the ability and intention to physically hurt or even kill them if they try to go to the cops (most US police forces don't have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 08:13 PM
2

Is this sarcasm? Playing video games is just as bad for you if not worse than drinking in moderation. At least when I go out I'm having fun in the real world with my friends and girlfriends, rather than levelling up a virtual character in a fake reality designed to distract and addict. Everyone can live their own lives, but replacing risk and achievement with passive entertainment consumption doesn't seem like a meaningful way to spend the few years we're all given.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:02 PM
1

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:59 AM
13

Don't just bluntly ask a woman to have a ONS. Create circumstances where sex "just happens."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 11:50 PM
1

Disagree. Yes things like playing with her hair and biting her lip while holding eye contact can be plausibly denied compared to her walking up and saying "I want you," but that doesn't mean those things aren't clear IOIs and not just politeness. Again I think most guys just don't get those kinds of IOIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 10:20 PM
-1

There's a pretty clear difference between politeness and a genuine IOI. The real problem is most men aren't attractive enough to get IOIs so they don't know the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:44 PM
1

I agree, but then it goes back to the fact that most men can't be physically restrained or coerced by the average woman. So I believe the threat experienced by men who reject women is significantly less than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:46 PM
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You can get a woman without having a chiseled jaw or ooodles of cash. Yes, but only if you can convey value in other ways (confidence, ambition, social proof, interesting hobbies etc.) The problem is lots of men grow up with the incorrect belief that they will eventually get a woman just by being themselves, being nice, and bending over backwards for any woman they're interested in. When in reality, the redpill truth is that being a "nice guy" and chasing women with grand romantic gestures doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:25 PM
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They are. That's the redpill truth, whereas the bluepill white lie is that you'll get the girl even if you're unattractive and poor as long as you're kind, make grand romantic gestures, and make sure she knows she's your "one and only."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:01 PM
0

This might be a shocker to you but some people like to look good solely because they take pride in their appearance, not to attract sexual attention. This is just victim blaming, everyone has the right to not be subjected to unwanted sexual pressure no matter what they look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:54 PM
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At least a few of those (1 and 3 for sure) are basic redpill advice/ideas that have gone mainstream. Next up for social acceptance are ideas like female hypergamy, which is a concept that is solidly red pill but more and more people are beginning to accept as uncontroversial. I actually do agree with you that in general TRP attracts/builds casual misogynists and a lot of the things they discuss (MLTR/spinning plates and things like dark triad/dread game) are unethical and even emotionally abusiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:47 PM
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There's a dating concept called the "value/comfort model" that basically states women need a certain mix of value (assertiveness, attractiveness, confidence etc.) and comfort (trustworthiness, kindness, loyalty etc.) to sleep with or enter an LTR with a man. The catch 22 is that most things that build comfort (too much commitment too soon, acting too head-over-heels, being obsequious/never disagreeing) lowers value, and vice versa. The "nice guy" phenomenon is just men erring way too much on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:37 PM
-1

Because you've never been on the other side of that line. I could just as easily say you've probably never been on the side of the line where bigger and stronger people attempt to physically pressure you into sex acts. Ask a victim of prison rape which is better, no sexual attention or unwanted sexual attention. Also, women shouldn't have to make themselves ugly to not be threatened with unwanted sexual advances. And, you underestimate male thirst. Lots of fat women get sexually harassed as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:29 PM
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I think "just be yourself" works as good advice to men who are naturally good with women, i.e. due to their upbringing or life experiences or whatever ended up relatively confident, extroverted, and with good social skills. But the problem is that the same "just be yourself" is terrible advice for someone who due to different circumstances grew up neurotic, introverted, and socially anxious. It also just so happens that this second group is much more likely to look for solutions on internet dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:17 PM
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Some men due to their environment, upbringing, or experiences grow up naturally good with women. To them, all this stuff seems obvious. But I think a lot of men who didn't have that same experience would agree with me that "socially standard" advice like "just be yourself" didn't help them whereas TRP did. I also want to restate I am not a redpiller. I think a lot of what TRP advocates (ex. dread game and MLTR/plate spinning) are unethical and even emotionally abusive. However I do think there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:01 PM
0

getting unwanted attention is still far better than getting no attention. Maybe as a man when you're bigger and stronger (most men cannot be physically coerced by most women) but that is not the case for women. I feel confident in asserting that most women would rather get no attention than aggressive unwanted attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:56 PM
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Or maybe it's redpill advice taking over conventional dating advice as redpill becomes more popular... Maybe you weren't told "just be yourself" growing up but many people were.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:54 PM
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mainstream media made fun of movies like Say Anything for him creepily putting her on a pedestal and chasing after her. This begs the question though: which was more popular, the movie that is hailed as a romance classic today or some criticism that most people never read? Most men are raised to believe women are the prize and men should be the chasers. What TRP tells men is that even though men do have to pursue, always act like you have abundance and lots of options, even if you don't. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:52 PM
0

They think getting unwanted sexual advances is a good thing. Hint to thirsty men reading this: it's actually not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:26 PM
1

You can't force someone to financially support another human being where they have no control over the decision in whether they live or die. Sure you can. Both women and men should be financially on the hook for child support after the baby they created together is born (provided they don't both agree to put the child up for adoption, etc.) BUT BEFORE the baby is born, the woman has the right to abort the baby in order to defend her bodily autonomy (in my view.) The man has no such bodily autono…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:11 PM
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This is a great example of fundamental male cognitive dissonance: women who aren't related to you having standards and valuing themselves highly makes them fat old hags, but women who are related to you need to have standards and value themselves highly, otherwise they are whores. It's hard for men like you to give their daughters advice that is actually pro-female, because for years they have convinced themselves that other women who follow pro-female advice like having high standards (and thus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:42 PM
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Biology is a bitch ain't it. If it was the man's body that got pregnant, I'd support the man's right to choose as well. But it isn't the man's body that's affected, so the right to bodily autonomy doesn't apply to the man - only to the woman. Pregnancy inequality is the same sort of fundamental biological inequality as gender differences in athletic performance - something that just exists and will never be "fair."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:32 PM
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I'm not a TRPer but here are some social instructions given to men/boys that are well-meaning falsehoods at best, contrasted with TRP's occasionally unpleasant truths: Bluepill "Just be yourself" vs. redpill "be the best version of yourself." Nobody deserves love/sex just for existing, you have to compete for the attention of the opposite sex and make sure you maximize every positive characteristic you have control over to be attractive to women. Bluepill "women want kind men" vs. redpill "women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:06 PM
1

force men into fatherhood What's the line - regretting sex isn't the same as rape, right? Make the kid, take the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:52 PM
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Once again it shows that the typical modern woman can't take responsibility for her own actions and choices. Wow, I have no idea why your daughters cut you off with that attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:47 PM
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"People think the wrong things when they have the freedom to think anything, that's a problem. We need to force them to think the right things." If your positions can't convince the majority in the free marketplace of ideas provided by liberalism, you deserve the loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:46 PM
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nothing is going to change. Nah. Tell your daughters to follow FDS, value themselves highly, and don't lower their standards for any man because AMALT. Oh wait, men here won't like this advice because it helps women too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:44 PM
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Then tell their fathers to stop abandoning their children and the mothers of their children. That's something I'll never understand. Blaming the woman who stepped up rather than the man who stepped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:39 PM
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Isn't that just demonstrating women have higher standards and are less desperate if they only want the best? Doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:50 AM
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I mean its a reality TV show but the whole point is to drop regular people into a survival environment and see how they do. I'm sure they aren't in real danger of death if that's what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 01:16 AM
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Do you have a closer analogue to use to back up your assertion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 12:03 AM
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You really think a power company would continue to exist if nobody wanted to pay for its services? Free markets are two sided - suppliers and demanders both rely on each other to meet their different needs. You can't have one without the other. You're the one dismissing women's labor as unnecessary in this whole thread. To you women creating value is useless, but when men create value everyone should get down on their knees and praise them for doing the jobs they're paid to do. So don't lecture …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:45 PM
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I acknowledge them every month when I allow them the privilege to continue living by paying their wages via my power bill. Their importance/replaceability to the economy is directly measured by their market wage. It's foolish to say we owe them when we're the ones paying for the services they provide. If they were giving us their labor for nothing, then you'd have a point - but they don't, and I don't owe anyone anything for doing the job I pay them to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:01 PM
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I don't think I owe anybody I give fair market value to every month when I pay my power bill. Maybe they owe me for paying their wages so they can put food on the table, no? Without me paying them, they'd starve. They're dependent on me for their survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:34 PM
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...in exchange for a wage...which is paid to them by other people...who created value in their own ways. A dollar's value is the same as any other dollar. A man making 80k at a power plant is worth exactly as much to a modern economy as a woman making 80k as a nurse. By definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:59 PM
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I mean, by that logic everyone is dependent on everyone else...I doubt you grow your own food, make your own clothes, build your own car etc. In that situation the only "independent" person would be the guy living in a shack in the woods at a 1700s living standard at best. Trade and economic interdependence is what allows us to live the lifestyles we have. Edit: Therefore, a more useful definition of "independence" is the ability to create value in the economy doing whatever you're good at and u…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:13 PM
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In exchange for a wage so they don't starve. A wage that is provided by other people, some of whom are women, creating value in different industries according to their economic specialization. It's not like men do their jobs for free. They, just like women, are only working for wages. Who is more dependent on whom, the person working for the wage or the person providing it? Maybe both are dependent on each other in this global engine of value creation we call "the economy."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:04 PM
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Humanity makes civilization work. We are all interdependent on each other for the lifestyles we enjoy thanks to economic specialization and free trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:26 PM
0

Unless it was done with a weapon I don't see how the average woman could physically force the average man to penetrate her, and I honestly don't think any woman with a pulse needs to hold a gun to someone else's head to get laid. That's what Tinder is for. I just don't see it. My experiences with the world are completely at odds with any assertion that women have the ability or the desire to force men to have sex with them using violence any more frequently than extreme outlier cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:25 PM
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The same group of researchers are currently seeking funding to try the stem cell process with female bone marrow according to the linked Wikipedia article.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:11 PM
2

I think it's pretty unrealistic to think women are more likely to commit sexual violence than men. Throughout all of history forcible rape has been a male tool used to exercise power over women and for male sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:08 PM
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070412211409.htm#:~:text=Adult%20stem%20cells%20extracted%20from,into%20becoming%20male%20reproductive%20cells.&text=Human%20bone%20marrow%20has%20been,how%20sperm%20cells%20are%20created. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sperm
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:04 PM
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When your country is attacked When a country is attacked it is almost always attacked by other men. Women don't start wars, historically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:03 PM
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Everyone is economically dependent on other people to create value. If a woman hires a male plumber, she might be dependent on the man to fix her toilet. But by the exact same transaction, the man is dependent on the woman to pay him a wage to keep him from starving. Truth is it's misguided to think either side is doing another a favor or "owes" the other. They're both just individuals looking out for themselves, and thus the world goes round.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:01 PM
1

What percentage of rapists are male? Not all men are rapists, but almost all rapists are...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:58 PM
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The men are getting paid a market wage by the consumers of their products and services. They aren't doing women a favor, they're just looking out for themselves like women are. If a woman is paying a man to plumb her toilet because she's doing something more productive and can afford to, that's not her being dependent on a plumber. At most it's co-dependence because without the woman's productivity paying their wage, the male labor class would starve (in this oversimplified scenario we have crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:56 PM
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Why would it be surprising that women's unpaid work bearing and raising children isn't counted. If every husband paid a wage to their wives for the in-home labor they perform for free (personal chef, personal valet, personal secretary, personal caretaker, maid, and 24/7 childcare) the economic value calculation would be far different. Probably at least 80-100k of value a year at fair market rate for all those services that allows the men to labor outside the home and still live a comfortable lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:52 PM
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If you put men on a stranded island alone and women on a stranded island alone, removing all other variables, men would survive far, far longer. What's your evidence for this? Guessing games? Reality TV (Survivor) once split the cast into gender based tribes and the female tribes historically were more successful before the show reintegrated the tribes because the women cooperated better as a collective while the men fell to infighting over social heirarchy (who was the alpha etc.) https://en.m.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:44 PM
1

Oh no, more resources and living space for everyone. Terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:39 PM
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Men are supporting you (as they always have) through taxation and wealth redistribution programs. Source please.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 03:27 PM
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Sure, I agree it could be nobody's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 04:20 AM
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Evil. Fortunately there are more than enough good men and women to put evil people down when they need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 03:36 AM
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Morality is what separates men from the animals, and might does not make right. Abandoning morality - the true, the good, and the beautiful - is the nature of weak men. Upholding what is right is true strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:29 PM
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What violence is being used against men? So how is it justified to use violence against women in return? Dating and sex is a free market, probably the most free market any of us will ever participate in. Compete or quit, there are no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:23 PM
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The average man has to put way more effort into dating than the average woman, and the results will not even be close. Men have nobody but themselves to blame for this. There is no resource on the planet as abundant as male sexual desire - every woman is inundated with it. So of course men are going to have to work harder to separate themselves from the hordes of thirsty men they compete with. Male thirst is what gives women the ability to be choosy and is why throughout history most men did not…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:00 PM
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So a man has to act like an animal and give in to all his violent urges to be a real man? And you don't see why this is toxic? Masculinity in the context of humanity means resisting and controlling baser urges, not giving in to them, because we are men not beasts. Who is more masculine, the man who controls his temper and remains cool under pressure, or the man who flies off the handle at every small challenge life throws in his way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:49 PM
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Again, if the only thing that keeps you from raping people (or thinking raping people is wrong) is the law...seek therapy. Real men don't rape people no matter what the law says - rapists are closer to animals than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:43 PM
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Masculinity is about self-mastery. That's why male role models don't commit aggressive violence to get what they want. Because that's what animals do, not men. Saying men have to be violently aggressive to be men is almost the definition of toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:38 PM
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Apparently lots of men think society owes them happiness when in reality happiness is something you have to earn for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:33 PM
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Not because they think rape is wrong. So you think all men secretly want to rape? Here's a hint, that's just you. Seek therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:30 PM
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Thinking masculinity = aggression is honestly exactly what people mean when they talk about toxic masculinity FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:28 PM
1

I run into very few women ever wearing that much face makeup...Older women barely wear any! I guarantee this is because you don't notice when makeup is good. Men literally have no clue what makeup v. natural actually looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:23 PM
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Excuses excuses. Wear sunscreen you doofus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:49 PM
1

Read the thread. Most people, women or otherwise, don't like being bothered by strangers when they're trying to get shit done.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:51 PM
0

Great. Please stay there :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:30 PM
1

If "men's problems" are not being able to interrupt women trying to go about their lives, then yeah I don't give a fuck about men's problems lol. You don't have the right to other people's time and attention just because you want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:27 PM
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because the men in the Balkans are disgusting. I do not want to be harassed while my grandmother is dying you insensitive prick. Don't lock me in your car until I give you my number you creep. From above.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:23 PM
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If supporting the right of women to not get locked in men's cars is anti-male, then sign me the fuck up. To the abuser, equality for the abused always feels like oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:07 PM
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Yes - it's considered rude and socially uncalibrated to interrupt people going about their day trying to live their lives to sell them your penis. Socialize in social settings where people go to socialize. There are TONS of these places out there where you can approach women that doesn't involve stopping them in the middle of the street when they're just trying to get to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:03 PM
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Women: " I don't want to be locked in your car please." Men: "OmG StOp DisCriMiNatInG aGaINsT mE!!" Fucking pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:57 PM
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Then don't complain when a woman makes you wait several dates/months for sex. True Madonna's don't fuck on the first date and probably won't fuck you until you commit to them anyway. So good luck with that. Or you could just try to get past your own hangups regarding women's sexual histories. But that would take introspection, which men aren't super great at.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:54 PM
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Imagine thinking not wanting to be locked in a car by a man who wants to fuck you is sexist. You are sexist for thinking women owe you their time and attention because you want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:35 PM
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If anti-male culture means men aren't allowed to lock women in cars until they give the man their phone number...then yeah, anti-male culture seems pretty damn great.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:30 PM
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If you were busy trying to run your errands or get to your job or whatever how do you respond to people trying to sell you their shitty mixtape or their religion or panhandling for money? Probably negatively right? So why do you expect women to treat random men trying to sell them their dicks any differently? Most of us are busy people that don't have time to deal with strangers selling us shit during our daily lives. If we want to socialize, we go to social venues. Otherwise, respect our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:27 PM
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Imagine you were busy running errands and somebody pulled you aside to try to sell you their shitty mixtape/cleaning product/MLM/whatever. Or a homeless guy stops you and asks for money. How would you respond to that? Then why do you expect women to ask differently when you try to "sell" them your dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:24 PM
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Funny you are annoyed at people trying to sell you something while you go about your day, but you seem to think women being annoyed at men trying to fuck them while they're just going about their day is "psyops."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:19 PM
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Can all you closeted misogynists please stop whining and just move to the Balkans or whatever other backwards chauvinist nation you want where you can fuck each other instead of the women you clearly hate and resent? Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:06 PM
1

FYI to men: side effects from finasteride are fairly rare and it's the only drug proven by the FDA to treat male pattern baldness. Talk to your dermatologist ofc but I wouldn't discard it out of hand based on side effect anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 04:54 PM
1

Most men are victims of the Madonna-Whore complex regardless of religious upbringing. Consider the objection most men have to dating/marrying women with high n-counts regardless of religion - that's the perfect example of Madonna-Whore complex as it causes men to reject compatible partners simply because men can't bring themselves to move her out of the "Whore" category in their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:27 PM
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Blame Madonna-Whore complex of men for this. Truth is lots of men don't want women they consider whores/too easy for serious relationships. So instead they try to pump and dump, and the dominant strategy to avoid this for women is acting like the Madonna by playing hard to get no matter what her real sexual past is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:23 PM
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Women do this because of male Madonna-Whore complex. Lots of men don't want to commit to women they think are in the "Whore" category, and they're more likely to put women in the "Whore" category if she is too easy/sleeps with them too quickly. So the dominant strategy for a woman wanting a committed relationship is to play hard to get (acting like the Madonna) and keep previous sexual behavior a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:21 PM
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Include an alimony waiver in the prenup and you aren't obligated to provide a lifestyle for your ex-spouse. Otherwise yeah you have to pay for your kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 10:01 PM
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Almost like you have to support the children you brought into the world. Crazy. Child support and custody is not something a prenup is meant to protect against. Prenups can and do prevent things like alimony and asset division. They aren't a get out of jail free card that lets you walk out on your kids no matter how much men seem to want to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 02:39 PM
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Don't have kids if you're unwilling to support a partner who makes the sacrifice to dramatically lower her earning potential to bear your progeny. Men really want the option to just dump a woman on the street with no consequences after taking the best years of her life and dramatically lowering her post-relationship options don't they.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 02:36 PM
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You deserve to lose status in that circle, you were an asshole to speak about a woman in the same circle so derogatorily. Just say you aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:44 PM
0

You're free to date who you want. The free market of love decided, you just don't cut it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:09 AM
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Crop top is out there for straight men but v-necks, muscle fit tees, tank tops and skinny/slim fit jeans are all things straight men should be wearing (in the right contexts of course.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 12:43 PM
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None of those are even close to c*nt in terms of social seriousness. Most of those aren't even profanities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:12 PM
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Maybe women wouldn't be hypergamous if male sexuality wasn't so indiscriminate. As it is, male sexual interest is abundant and low value. So why not go for the best?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:47 PM
1

Women are called sexist names far more often and commonly than men are. Bitch, slut, wh0re, c*nt, list goes on and on. What are the equivalents for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:43 PM
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If two people have sex, they have equal responsibility for the consequences of that sex. If one person abdicates their responsibility because they are a shitty person, the blame falls entirely on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 03:26 AM
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Who is responsible for the father shirking his duty? The father alone. Anything else is victim blaming misogynist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:04 AM
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The blame for that "catastrophe" lies solely with the absent father. You have no concept of parental love if you think it is so easy to cast your child aside and let some other family raise them, if they even get adopted and don't end up in foster care or in an even worse position. Inability to love is pretty sad, really. I hope you get help one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:03 AM
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Why should a mother have to give her child up because the father abandoned them? It's her child - men shirking their responsibilities is no reason for a woman to have to give up her baby forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:09 PM
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women being responsible for anything, even their own reproduction, triggers you so hard But the man isn't responsible for his reproduction? Again, he's the one who abandoned his child and the mother of his child. The US foster care system is a travesty. I don't blame any woman for not wanting to put their child through that hell. I can't believe what lengths you'll go to defending deadbeat piece of shit fathers who abandon their child. At least the mother has the strength of character to step up…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:52 PM
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You're disgusting and a victim blaming monster. No matter what happened sexually, when pregnancy happened she stepped up. He stepped out. There's no question who holds the blame in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:39 PM
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In the situation where one parent abandons his responsibilities where the other parent steps up to shoulder the burden, it should be very clear which parent carries the blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:24 PM
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Yeah cause the woman is apparently a precog and it's her responsibility to predict her man is going to be a deadbeat asshole, rather than the man's responsibility to not RUN OUT ON THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD. What victim blaming bullshit. Any child raised by a single mother is the fault of the man who shirked his responsibility while the woman stepped up. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:20 PM
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So it's her fault for not being a precog and knowing the future, but the man has zero responsibility for actually doing the morally wrong action? Victim blaming at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:16 PM
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Why is it women's fault men are so likely to be shitty deadbeat fathers? At least the single mother stepped up and took responsibility for her actions, something men apparently struggle with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:45 PM
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How the fuck is a woman responsible for her man running out on her and her kids? Victim blaming at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:21 PM
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Sex trafficking is a major problem in European countries that legalized prostitution. I'm also pro-legalization overall but many of these women are not making their own decision to enter or stay in the sex industry
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 11:06 PM
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Night game framework 101: approach, hook, escalate, close. Now there is hundreds of hours of content written and video on each of these, but here's a quick walkthrough. Approach: gotta have balls and do the approach. IMO better to do it in quieter areas like the smoking area/patio, bar, tables etc. so you can talk and build value verbally. Remember that giving a vibe of confidence and seeming at ease/comfortable is actually much more important than the words you say. Look up "cold approach" onli…
/r/seduction20/06/21 08:50 PM
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Then don't have sex if you can't handle what might happen...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 07:14 PM
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So are men over 35 (male skincare anyone? Lol) unless they're just loved for their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 04:08 PM
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I'm not going to bother with the gender politics content anymore because clearly teaching pathetic self-victimizing "men" how to better themselves and relate to women more healthily on this sub is wasted breath when they'd prefer to wallow in their self-pity. So instead I'm going to shortly address the moral philosophy component because I find it more interesting, and then let you have the last word because I have better things to do. You say it is naive to hold moral absolutes. I say you cannot…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:45 PM
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Hedonism is the reward of achievement. These behaviors are self-sedation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 03:32 AM
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After all, men also don't need women to survive. Men are freaking the fuck out about sexlessness and dating challenges all over this forum. Being a blackpill incel isn't really "doing fine" without women either. I'm pretty sure most men want a woman more than most women want a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:45 AM
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"sEx iS a FuNdaMenTaL nEeD" even though literally it has no effect on your physical health. Delusional 🤣 It's not morally justified to do violence against others to take resources they have even if you think you need them more. Basic morality here. You should have put your childs life above anothers and saved it. That would have been the moral and righteous choice You could excuse any travesty with this excuse. "We needed to genocide the Jews because we wanted the resources they had. I'm just pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 10:15 PM
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https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/yes-world-would-be-more-peaceful-women-charge
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 09:41 PM
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Food and water are listed om the same imprtance level as sex. Great, let's do an experiment to test this hypothesis. Go without sex for a month. Then go without food and water for a month. Then compare the physical state you're in at the end of both months (if you can.) That experiment should make it very clear which things are actually more important to your physical survival, yes? So which one is more evil? Killing a man to save your child, or letting your child die so another can live? Killin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 08:59 PM
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Nah you're just a man with low testosterone (or an fds larper idk). Male Feminists generally tend to have that. Hence why you can't really see sex as a need. Or maybe it's because I get laid all the time so I have no idea what it's like to be without it. But you'll never know ;) Since men have a higher mortality rate on average compared to women, they have a higher sex drive to keep up with it. Sure that's fine. But that doesn't change the fact that things that result in your death if you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 08:42 PM
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You're going to fall from that pedestal one day Nah, I know just from this conversation that I'm better than you and always will be :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 08:36 PM
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You are a man who is spending time on reddit argueing with strangers. Haha, you don't know anything about what my life is like. Sometimes arguing with pseudonymity is the best way to determine the truth because you don't risk reputation costs that you would if we had these discussions in real life. Besides, lots of very successful people use Reddit - Elon Musk, for one. Maybe this is the alt account of a celebrity you know the name of ;). Or maybe it isn't. The point is, maybe consider the calib…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 08:18 PM
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you realize you just proved that women were historically weak enough both physically AND mentally to be oppressed. You know using force to subjugate the weak is something evil people do? Oh wait, probably not because misogynists are pretty dishonorable and morally weak people. So no real reason to continue, keep watching the feminists win :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 07:59 PM
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If you are a man you are straight up whiteknighting, because you should understand exactly how mens sex drives are. I am a man who is comfortable with the reality that the world is competitive and people who step up get more out of life. I do not fear free market competition because I am confident in my ability to thrive under competitive pressure. What you need to ask yourself is - are you confident in your ability to thrive under pressure, or is all this coming from a place of insecurity becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 07:42 PM
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You know women make up the majority of university grads now and are on track to make up 50% of total earning power in the next 20 years? You're confusing "feminine mediocrity" with "millennia of male cultural subjugation and forcible oppression of women." Because you're a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 07:30 PM
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I am a man. Sex isn't on the bottom of a hierarchy of needs because if you don't get it, you won't die. Basic needs (oxygen, food, water, shelter/protection from exposure) are things that if you can't get them, you die. You can live your whole life never having sex and you won't die. QED sex is not a basic need on the level of food, water, or shelter. Violence in conquest is fundamentally evil and always has been. Anyone who takes something of someone else's by force is a wrongdoer and is evil. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 06:23 PM
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I have more sympathy for people without food or shelter than people without sex. Sex is not a need for survival, just for happiness, and you don't have a right to happiness that obliges other people to provide it for you. You don't even have a right to oblige other people to give you resources to help you survive, we just have enough economic surplus as a civilization that we can provide those resources out of the goodness of our collective hearts. I don't support any social or legal constructs …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 05:51 PM
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Nobody else is responsible for your behavior and it's not anyone else's responsibility to solve men's dating problems for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 04:26 PM
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You are basically saying life isn't fair because humans are different from each other. This is true. You for example have it better than probably 80% of men on the planet today and 99.99% of men in all human history. But you're still going "woe is me, life is so unfair." Nature is red in tooth and claw, it's not supposed to be "fair" or "even." Trying to apply these concepts to nature will be a fool's errand. Winning is what passes on your genetic history, not being "fair." So nature selects for…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 03:18 PM
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Yes. Life is competitive in many aspects. Passing on genetic history is the greatest competition all known organisms engage in. Humans are no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:47 PM
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Works for me. Everyone has the freedom to give up if they can't take it anymore. More for the rest of us who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:45 PM
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What you're doing is ignoring reality (the fact that gender does have an influence on criminality and violent tendencies.) You really don't think having 20x as much testosterone between men & women doesn't result in greater propensity to commit violent crime? The weakest thing anyone can do is ignore unpleasant reality to preserve pleasant narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:34 PM
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So all accusations of rape count as rape? To be clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:30 PM
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Why red flag laws are necessary. Gotta take the guns away from the incels before they prove toxic masculinity exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:29 PM
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I'm sure all those have a comparable body count to Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Ghengis Khan, Xerxes etc. etc. Calling Thatcher genocidal is clearly quite a stretch, no? Clearly female leadership results in fewer deaths from even a casual reading of history. Women are also far less likely to commit violent crimes of all varieties. And yet you still won't admit that gender and sexual hormonal differences don't play any role in that discrepancy at all. That's just ignoring reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:22 PM
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Lol, I think I'd surprise you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 06:17 AM
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Always makes me laugh when people assume my gender in threads like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 05:21 AM
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Sure. Guess the fact that gender plays such a clear role in violent tendency, war etc. (name a female head of state that committed genocide) can just be completely ignored cause it might make some insecure men feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 05:15 AM
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To sweep the relationship gender has to behavioral propensity under the rug is doing a disservice to the victims of those behaviors. It's clear "masculine" traits like power and assertiveness can become toxic when expressed in certain contexts and situations. That's what toxic masculinity is, not you just walking around. Don't take it so personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 04:28 AM
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🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 04:03 AM
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My advice is to try not to be neurotic about it. Recognizing toxic behavior isn't a reflection on you as an individual. Think of it as an opportunity to be as good a person as you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 03:39 AM
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Women just don't date them. Cause they're free to you know, reject your lame ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:43 AM
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give kids up for adoption as well as the power to not allow the father to be involved or even know about their kid or keep the kid and force the father to pay. All of these things can be changed if the father sues for custodianship. You can only give up a child for adoption, exclude the father etc. if the father relinquishes his parental rights. Which most of the men do because they're deadbeat scum. And as far as child support goes, if you cum in someone expect to take responsibility for the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:55 AM
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Disprove anything I said. Oh wait, you can't, because I speak nothing but the truth - you just don't like hearing it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:41 AM
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Vows aren't legally binding. Marriage contracts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:05 AM
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Toxic femininity exists but you'll notice the frequency of toxic femininity resulting in death or sexual violence is far, far lower. There's a reason almost all mass shooters, serial killers, and genocidal heads of state have been male.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:01 AM
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Divorce rape isn't a thing. Take responsibility for the contracts you sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:58 AM
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Sure - usually doesn't end up with people gang raped or dead tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:32 AM
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Federal statistical series obtaining data on arrested or convicted persons - Uniform Crime Reports, National Judicial Reporting Program, and National Corrections Reporting Program - show a remarkable similarity in the characteristics of those categorized as rapists: 99 in 100 are male, 6 in 10 are white, and the average age is the early thirties. Source: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:04 AM
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I simply want the reality of things to be acknowledged and the appropriate sympathy to be afforded to the men this reality applies to. The reality of the situation is that we are all responsible for making the best of what we are given. We aren't entitled to anything more than that. Bettering yourself, whether financially or socially or romantically, is in fact possible even though yes it is difficult. If it was easy to have an awesome life where you get everything you want...pretty soon people …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:25 PM
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If you're super stoic all the time in public but allow emotional vulnerability in private with the women you are in an LTR with, she'll love you for it. In my experience at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:11 PM
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You aren't entitled to someone else's emotional support/labor (we have people you pay for that, they're called therapists) and not getting help/attention/interest from women doesn't justify shooting up schools. So let's ask the question again - why are men so much more likely to commit violent crimes and mass murders than women? Is it because there are aspects of masculinity that could become toxic? Hmm. I wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:07 PM
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Power and assertiveness are masculine traits. You don't see any way power and assertiveness can become toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:53 PM
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I think women approve of their lovers expressing emotionality with them or with family members. Most male love interests in female oriented literature (women's romance novels, Pride & Prejudice etc.) are outwardly stoic but in private (with the woman) allow themselves to be vulnerable. This is attractive to women because it makes them feel special ("he's only emotional with me, it must be because I'm so important and unique I earned his emotional trust.")
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:48 PM
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There is no moralistic or meritocratic qualities to the reality of the majority of people in capitalism. And there isn’t a meritocratic qualities to the reality of the majority of men with sex. It’s based mainly on immutable aspects one’s self. Tell me you're unsuccessful and bad with women without telling me you're unsuccessful and bad with women. Apologies for the insult but this kind of fatalist defeatism is the fundamental issue with your worldview. You have the idea that because some people…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:42 PM
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Nobody would say a man leaving a relationship because of refusal of physical intimacy is abusive. Beating, emotionally abusing, or raping your girlfriend after she denies you sex is abusive. Do you see the difference? The fundamental right everyone has in a relationship is to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:13 PM
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Emotionality is about context. Women want their men to not be pussies. In basically every sense of the word. If you are presented with a challenging situation and instead of dealing with it like a man you start crying because you can't hack it, you may be a pussy and you will instantly turn women off. But if you're crying because your father died, no woman is going to dislike you for that. Showing you are passionate enough about people in your life that you weep for their loss is not something a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:12 PM
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Sex and relationships is a free market. Probably the most free market any of us ever experience. Anything else (mandating people fuck people they don't want to) is disgusting and obviously worse. Have sex with me or we break up” is abusive to women, but “Fulfill all of these unrealistic expectations for me or stay alone” isn’t abusive to men. This is how basically all relationships work. Men won't stay with a woman if she doesn't fuck them unless he's so low value he doesn't have a choice. Same …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:07 PM
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You realize you win the competition by being cool calm and in control, yeah? Poster above is referring to men who react to any challenge with anger and violence because they can't handle it. That's what's toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:02 PM
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You aren't entitled to sex and companionship. Step up or live on the street. That's what real freedom means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:59 PM
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Why are 97% of rapists male? Isn't the fact that so many more men than women use sexual violence demonstrating an aspect of masculinity that can be toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:57 PM
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Not any more than any male competition for a woman is a simp. I don't think you fully understand these terms and what they mean - they have specific meaning and aren't just general insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 07:55 PM
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Dating/the sexual marketplace isn't a totally zero sum game but there are clearly competitive aspects to it. Multiple women can't have an exclusive relationship with the same high value man, so there is an implicit competition here. People who try to strategize and win the competition will outperform people who don't want to accept it's a competition at all, all else equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 07:54 PM
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Pickmeisha is more akin to the female version of simp. A woman who is desperate for male attention and allows men to abuse/use her because she wants to be "picked" so badly. It's not about competition any more than a man thinks a simp is competing with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 07:50 PM
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It's just what it says on the tin. Strategies for women to maximize their dating outcomes, through self-improvement and efficient application of what leverage women have in the sexual marketplace. This is no different than the millions of words poured out on theredpill or any number of male seduction/PUA/manosphere communities. I don't see why it's okay to write thousands of articles and posts about how to best spin plates, run MLTR, get the most one-night stands as possible etc. but it's totall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 06:48 PM
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And I'm sure this understanding comes from many years of being a woman, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 12:54 AM
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Counterpoint: Michaelangelo's David Masculine beauty has been appreciated throughout history. What you are thinking of isn't sexual attraction, it's sexual exploitation of female bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 04:04 AM
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The point is I don't think it's reasonable to expect a guaranteed outcome from Tinder any more than it's reasonable to expect going on Monster guarantees you a job. They're just providing a new way to get your face in front of more people. So I think it would be unreasonable to say "well I didn't get any good matches on Tinder, must be a scam" because you were never guaranteed good matches in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 11:16 PM
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Are job boards (Indeed, Monster, LinkedIn) scams because they only connect you with potential employers, and don't guarantee you a job? Clearly not. If some dude thinks setting up a Tinder account = guaranteed 8/10 GF I have a bridge to sell him in Brooklyn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 10:57 PM
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Female monkeys find it much easier to find male "companionship" (read: males trying to stick their dick in them) than lots of bananas. So it makes sense the bananas are in higher demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:14 PM
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Agree, I don't have an issue with porn as long as issues like human trafficking and non-consent are addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:00 PM
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Almost like males are abundant but bananas are scarce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:24 PM
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Did you not see what I said about assertiveness below? Yeah we all know women respond well to that. If you have confidence, assuredness, assertiveness etc. and give half a shit about how you look you're going to do great with women. I'm just tired of all these men going "oh noes I'm 5'6" clearly zero women will ever want me let me just eat a shotgun." The fatalist pessimism is self-fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:02 PM
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Haha obviously don't be lame, have a bump if a hot girl is offering, but the fiendy-ness and comedown are really rough and make it generally not worth it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 09:51 PM
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Probably the best Chad drug use is sober all day. At night when out with women drink hard liquor & do situational cocaine, MDMA, weed during the right occasions. Based and perfect lifestyle pilled. Except coke that shit sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 09:12 PM
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They have the right to be violent, as society didn't give them what was promised, and that is happiness. Fundamental problem here - nobody is entitled to happiness. Happiness is something everyone has to earn for themselves. Strong men are the ones who protect the group from the entitled violence of weak men. Not getting what you want, whether that's happiness, sex, or whatever, is not an excuse to turn violent. That is weakness by definition; the inability to weather hardship without resorting …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 06:56 PM
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All because I was 6 foot 2 Doubt it. You probably expressed other desirable traits without knowing you were doing it that made up for your poor hygiene. Women don't fuck unsocialized neurotic out of shape men who don't clean themselves just because they're tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 06:41 PM
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Go read my other comment on this thread about how low on the list appearance is to male attraction. And social objectification of male bodies is far, far less both in scope and extent than social objectification of female bodies. Hint - do men have to wear makeup to go to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:33 PM
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I'm not trying to discredit your experience because I don't know what country you are in or what experiences you've had. However I do believe that fundamentally speaking women are attracted to more intangible things than appearance. They are attracted to competence, leadership, calmness under pressure, courage etc. Appearance is something that can disqualify you if you have terrible hygiene, are obese etc. but the world is full of "hot" guys who stand in corners at bars and wonder why the women …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:25 PM
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Too focused on appearance. All women want in your appearance is demonstrating you care and make an effort about it. Here's a free lesson for you - the 5 A's of masculine attraction, in descending order: Assertiveness: the ability to express your will on the world and have the world respond to your wishes positively. Assuredness: confidence in your desires and your plans to realize them without second-guessing yourself. Aliveness: the tendency to take calculated risks to live an interesting and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:02 PM
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One day young grasshopper you will realize that constant objectification based on appearance isn't better than the journey to manhood, even if that journey is "harder." I wouldn't trade the constant sexual objectification and pressure to fit the male gaze that women experience on a daily basis no matter how "easy" it is to improve (which it actually isn't, but I digress.) The privilege of masculinity is that what makes us attractive is everything we should be doing anyway (fitness, success, soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:40 PM
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Pretty sure most men do think like that (as in, that's what they want if they want a monogamous LTR, but won't necessarily admit it.) Compliance to her husband's wishes is a pretty commonly desired characteristic of tradwives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:28 PM
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Women live longer on average because they are healthier on average from better lifestyle choices and don't take stupid testosterone fueled risks when young. Men have just as much option to live just as long.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:23 PM
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Then the actual "real men" will have to put them down. Not getting something you want isn't an excuse to get violent. That is the mindset of an animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:21 PM
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This is kind of proving the misandrists right (that men are all bestial uncivilized monsters) if men really can't control their base urges to this extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:20 PM
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"I want a hot young exciting woman who's smart but also knows her place and hasn't slept with anyone except me who she sleeps with on the first date cause muh dick is so special. Also I'm not paying for her coffee, that's for simps."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:15 PM
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Literally this whole thread is men bitching and crying about how they "can't get no good wahmen no more" 🤣 Men are fucking babies haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:09 PM
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There is no path for a man to get better treatment that isn’t a life altering change. Lift, improve your career/finances, improve your social circle, get some interesting hobbies, dress better, learn more. Kinda fatalist and pathetic to think men have zero options to better themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:46 PM
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I'd say that's the theoretical answer. Women have more options and agency now than 1950s trad wetdream. That means they are getting pickier because they can afford to. So imo the answer for men is to hit that bar. Very few defects are truly unfixable or unmanageable. Overall liberalization is a good thing (more freedom) and I think we all need to adapt accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:25 AM
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Git gud at attracting women. It's not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:02 AM
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Actually you did, because you think buying coffee = sex, when nobody else said anything even close. You're the one who jumped to conclusions like "women who accept coffee are whores" (lmao) instead of taking responsibility for your inability to get laid yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 08:12 PM
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Why not? Women can have that with a bit of effort, why shouldn't men? Probably just millions of years of evolutionary pressure on the female sex to select for the best mate out of many potentials. Pretending women don't seek the best out of many is denial of reality. We live in equality so it should be equal. Everyone has the equal right to reject and accept who they please. No more, no less. I am a woman doubt.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 08:03 PM
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Imagine being so bitter you think accepting a coffee from someone makes you a whore. Lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 08:00 PM
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So you think you get to tell me what to do because you bought me a coffee? How often does that work for you? Your bitterness is clearly skewing your perception of what buying a coffee means. Good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:55 PM
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So you're disputing the idea that women have more interested matches than men, all else equal? Maybe go tell all the men in this forum that, cause they all seem pretty depressed about their sexlessness and lack of options🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:18 PM
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You know what the word purchase means right? To own something? Do you think buying a woman a coffee means you own her? Cause there may be some more deep seated issues here, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:16 PM
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No, it's just one big data point in the overall "how committed is he" question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:14 PM
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https://thebolditalic.com/the-two-worlds-of-tinder-f1c34e800db4 If you want one piece of evidence demonstrating the incredibly common knowledge that women have more interested partners than men, all else equal. (Hint - giving one individual example = anecdotal evidence. Identifying trends =/= anecdotal evidence.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:11 PM
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It filters out the men who want to avoid committing any time or money into the woman because they just want to pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:08 PM
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I don't think your anecdotal evidence from a crazy conservative talk show host is as convincing as the pretty much common knowledge that hot women have dozens if not hundreds of dudes lining up to date them. Or the existence of apps like Raya, AdultFriendFinder which are entirely designed for sugar daddy type relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:05 PM
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You are a doofus if you think paying for dates = buying a woman haha. It's just proving the man who isn't willing to pay isn't as interested in the woman as the other men are. So why bother with the guy who isn't willing to invest what other men are, all else being equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:01 PM
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Having more potential partners = better chance of getting what they want. Pretty easy for a hot woman to find rich men lining up to spoil her these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:59 PM
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Lol. Go ask your next date if she'll fuck you for $10 and see how that goes, if buying a coffee = "purchasing" a woman. Paying is just demonstrating interest and investment. If that filters you out, good. That means it's working to weed out the low value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:53 PM
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Women have far more potential partners willing to date them than men do, all else being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:43 PM
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Guy A, 7/10, balks at paying for a $10 date. Guy B, 7/10, instantly and willingly pays the $10 for the date. Which guy is more interested in dating the girl? So why would she want to date the one who's less interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:41 PM
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The average man does not have the sex life that he wants. The average woman does. Orgasm gap, pump&dump etc. implies not. Just because women have a much easier time sleeping with random men doesn't mean they're being fulfilled sexually, female sexuality is fundamentally different so you can't expect easy casual sex = fulfillment for women. Other problem is, most men want sex lives like kings and rock stars (the extreme sexual abundance that comes with extreme value.) That's not a reasonable expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:30 PM
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Well, I'd advise you not to buy women drinks as your opener.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:31 PM
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No drinking whatsoever? No glass of wine at a nice restaurant on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:29 PM
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It's almost like men need to read social cues and use interpersonal skills to identify what is or isn't an appropriate advance depending on the specific woman you are flirting with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:22 PM
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Your evening in that sense is to buy drinks for a woman or women Did movies teach you this? Terrible way to pick up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:18 PM
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No, I mean would you be happy with only one sexual partner your entire life as long as she was a virgin too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 08:13 PM
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So you'd answer yes, you would be happy with a lifetime N=1 in that scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:50 PM
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Sure. Assume she's your SMP match too (if you're a 5/10 so is she etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:46 PM
1

Checked out finasteride?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:10 PM
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Just run a thought experiment - imagine yourself as permanently N=1 with your wife/gf who is also N=1 and consider if that would be an improvement over the status quo for you, and then men in general. Maybe this is one of those things where the 80/20 rule applies - 80% of men would be happy with this because it's an improvement over status quo for them, but the 20% wouldn't want to limit themselves to N=1 when they have extreme sexual abundance available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:58 PM
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Would you be worried you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a steak and a Big Mac with a sample size = 1?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:44 PM
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Assume she is your sexual market value match. So if you're an overall 7/10 she's a 7/10 too, counting appearance, education, personality etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:29 PM
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Any woman really, as long as she was N=1 as well. I suppose the real world example would be marrying your high school sweetheart. I hypothesize while most men say this is what they want (virginal wife etc.) in reality they would not be satisfied with only one sexual partner for their entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:24 PM
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Sure. So then it comes down to who has more options and more members of the opposite sex lined up and waiting to date them :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:32 PM
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I think it's in a woman's best interest to leverage the inherent value they have in the sexual marketplace to select for men who pay for dates for all the reasons I listed above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:03 PM
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We can agree to disagree on what is or isn't rude because I understand that's just personal manners etc. But rude or not it's still in the woman's best interest to select for men who willingly and quickly pay, for all the reasons I listed above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:00 PM
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Exactly. Problem is, women are going to be more likely to get what they want in a free sexual marketplace because they just have so many more options and are inherently higher value. This makes the men angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:59 PM
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Sure, but my point is women also have the right to want their partner to pay for the date, and doing so is in no way equivalent to men forcing women out of high paying professions which is what you insinuated. One is letting people freely choose what standards they have for their dates, the other is forcing economic compliance. They are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:38 PM
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But what I'm saying that we should strive to make the field more equal. Nah. You aren't owed an equal outcome to someone else, only equal opportunity. Letting women into the workforce = providing equal opportunity. Making women date men they don't want to = forcing equal outcome. There's a difference. We should strive to make the most free (i.e. least restrictions) possible, and then let people seek to maximize their outcomes within that free sexual marketplace. Anything else is a violation of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:29 PM
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Of course he doesn't "owe" her anything just like you don't "owe" your dinner party guests food. I just consider it rude to insist they pay because you were the one to ask them to give up their time. Personal courteousness aside, I'd still advise the woman to use paying/not paying as a significant data point in the vetting process.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:25 PM
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I think the person asking someone else for their time should pay for the experience regardless of the gender asking. That's equality. The fact that women have so much more interest than men that they never need to do the asking is just due to male sexual voraciousness. Really, it's your own fault ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:36 PM
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...implies that a man has to convince a woman from the very beginning that this meeting is worthwhile, But lo and behold, the woman shows no investment whatsoever...Perhaps the woman should give an introductory blowjob to prove her investment. You have all the building blocks you need to see the truth but you can't put them together. Here are some facts for you: A woman will always have more potential romantic partners than a man, all else equal. This is due to the fundamental differences in fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 06:31 PM
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You don't treat your daughters like women you're sexually attracted to, do you? Likewise, you don't treat random women like your daughters or wife, right? I treat them all like people. Many men treat women with family connections as people, then treat the women they want to fuck as sex-objects ("man fucks woman; subject-verb-object.") If a man thinks of both types of women as people, that man wouldn't have a problem with women he wants to have sex with following the same advice he'd give to his …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:59 PM
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Why would I and should I care about maximizing some woman's outcomes at my own expense? Oh, well that's just a question about whether or not you love the women in your life. If you instead hate the women in your life (ex. daughters, sisters, friends, etc.), then you wouldn't care about their outcomes. I love and respect the women in my life, therefore I want the best for them. This is basically the root of hypocritical male misogyny - they would hate their daughter sleeping with someone they met…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:35 PM
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Also, who cares about "maximizing their outcomes?" Everyone cares about their outcomes, haha - even you. If you didn't, why are you looking for a "good" partner if you don't care if the outcome you get is good or bad? Wouldn't you be just as happy with a "bad" partner if you don't care about your dating outcomes? Be honest with yourself - everyone in this world is looking for the best outcome they can according to what they want. This is perfectly natural and you need to understand this if you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:17 PM
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That's always going to default to the man then. Then the man should pay. Lol. Asking the man to pay is basic optimization of dating strategy for women to maximize their outcomes. If you love the women in your life, you'd want them to have the best outcomes possible too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:56 PM
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IMO, the person who asks for the date should pay. You are the one asking for someone else's time - it's common courtesy to not ask them to pay on top of that. Like if you threw a dinner party and invited guests, I would consider it rude to demand those guests pay for the food. Beyond the courtesy question, wanting the man to pay is just basic optimal dating strategy for women for the following points: It's well-known that some men will often misrepresent their intentions to get in a woman's pant…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:34 PM
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You're right, but dudes here won't admit it because then they'd have to take responsibility for their poor outcomes instead of blaming "teh wamenz" for their failings. Aspects of masculine character like leadership, self-assuredness, bravery, steadfast self-esteem and assertiveness are what attract women. You just have to put enough effort into your appearance that it doesn't immediately disqualify you - wear fashionable clothes, basic hygiene, physical fitness. Honestly, compared to the charact…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:14 PM
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"Cunt" is the worst for women and is one of the "worst" curse words in general (considering movie rating rules etc.) and is directly related to female genitalia. Meanwhile none of the worlds you listed like "neck beard" or "incel" etc. are even profanities
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:18 PM
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Sign a prenup with an alimony waiver. EZ.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 03:45 PM
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So what? That doesn't give you the right to use violence unilaterally as you choose. Use your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:40 PM
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I don't care what society decides as long as it doesn't try to make what I want to do from the above list punishable by forcible incarceration or other punishment. I do mind society when it does (drug war, looking at you.) Otherwise, I have no problem simply ignoring the disapproval of the average population and living the lifestyle I was going to live anyway, although I will say it seems to me to be more base to socially denigrate others for their choices than it is to accept their freedom to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 09:11 PM
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Certainly I'll agree to disagree. Thankfully you are also reasonable enough to agree that using force to prevent people from engaging in these behaviors is too far. I have no problem ignoring the disapproval of the average as long as they don't intend to put me in prison for it. Thanks for the civil discussion and great commentary!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:01 PM
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an excessive focus on hedonism is bad for everyone I question that assertion. Most people are pleasure and comfort seeking. I don't know where you lie in terms of economic thought, but I don't think it's reasonable to argue that ensuring a life of comfort, pleasure, and happiness (whatever that means to you) isn't a huge motivating factor for value creation in society. Furthermore, what's "excessive" isn't for society to decide. The idea that society needs to take the place of self-discipline is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:56 PM
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The problems of the past were problems of deprivation. Not enough food, not enough entertainment, not enough sex. The problems of the modern wealthy world are problems of abundance. Too much food, too much entertainment, too much sex. The good news is that problems of abundance are far more easily solved than problems of deprivation. The demons of the modern world can be solved with one word: discipline.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:48 PM
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freedom for me to do whatever I want regardless of anyone else. I disagree. I think the ethos outlined in the Declaration of Independence - that is, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - outlines the way American pioneers considered "freedom": the liberty to pursue one's individual vision of happiness and fulfillment as long as one doesn't forcibly interfere with anyone else's right to do the same. That philosophical foundation includes living a hedonistic lifestyle even if it makes othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:39 PM
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Great comment. Allowing hedonism (which has always been a popular choice for humanity) to liberally flourish in our culture is great for the hedonists (and is overall the right choice from an individual liberty perspective imo) but it certainly chafes those who don't have the ability to satisfy their hedonistic desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 01:18 PM
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Too many people want sex too badly, something that coveted will always be commonly used for leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 01:14 PM
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Ridiculous double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 07:00 PM
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This isn't true. Every man (without debilitating health concerns of course) has the capability of developing an athletic, muscular, and attractive physique. Genetics represents the "upper bound" to the absolute max you can achieve, but it does not comprise "80%" of the battle. Developing physique and athleticism is 90% related to discipline, motivation, and inner drive, 10% or less for genetics. Also anyone who thinks that steroids would make any difference to 95% of gym goers don't understand h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 08:35 PM
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I think "values" fits with the TRP advice "have a mission" - women want to see that you are driven by goals and motivations beyond getting laid. Women don't care if you're a goody two shoes before they sleep with you but they do care if you don't have any personal values or motivations beyond getting your dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:26 PM
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Being hot as a male usually means being in shape (among other things like being well dressed.) Being in shape requires discipline and work ethic; as Schwarzenegger said, "a good physique is the ultimate status symbol because it can't be bought, stolen, or inherited - it must be earned." Being hot physically is a public signal that you possess traits of discipline and motivation which are highly correlated with success. That's a large part of why a good physique is attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:22 PM
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I don't think that makes any difference to how the sexual marketplace works compared to the fundamental fact that male sexual demand is far higher than female, meaning the women can afford to be much more choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:56 PM
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I think a lot of male bitterness stems from the fact that many men resent having to compete for female attention when women don't have to compete for male attention. The "hormones" that cause this reaction are less important - even if all men understood how women work endocrinologically, the bitterness would still remain because men would still have to compete. Truth is, for men there are only two routes to take in the sexual marketplace: opt out (usually becoming very bitter and needlessly miso…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:45 PM
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Seems like a male problem. If men weren't so sexually driven their selectivity would increase and women would have to compete for attention as well. Furthermore, most women do compete with each other for male attention, they just do it passively. That's why women wear makeup, looksmax, work out, etc. - to increase their value in the SMP relative to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:43 PM
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Really depends on where in America you are. The diet, cultural expectations, and lifestyles of 20 something women are entirely different in L.A. than they are in rural Kentucky and the relative attractiveness will vary accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 12:58 AM
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Free trade and free movement of labor is economically efficient and allows economic regions to produce at the top of their productive possibility curve. Anything less is sub-optimal and will be outperformed by regions that perform optimally. For an example of this, consider the comparative economic living standards of South Korea (a globalist economy) and North Korea (an autarkic economy.) Or don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 11:07 PM
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But hey, if we are so wrong and we are gonna fail and the change is inevitable, why waste so much energy in being butthurt? Because I hate seeing people voluntarily try to turn their country into North Korea. I'm sad watching people voluntarily destroy their own living standards, which will in turn quite possibly will lead to scapegoating of other countries for their suffering (which nationalism always ends up doing), which will quite possibly lead to war. But you're right. Sometimes, people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:35 PM
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All of your problems you pretend exist are solved by economic reality. There's not enough infrastructure to support people? Good thing the tax base increased, so there's more money available to support improvements. There's not enough jobs to go around? Good thing the supply of jobs is actually a growth function of the population, otherwise we'd still be divvying up a finite amount of jobs that have existed for millennia. This is one of the fundamental problems with anti-globalists; you see the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:22 PM
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I'm making the argument that only individuals have rights, not governments, and in the long run governments that respect those rights will outperform those who do, and in the even longer run this process only ends in two ways: humanity will eventually unify under a federalist global government, or we will fall into nationalist despotism and likely nuclear war. I don't see much of an in-between.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:05 PM
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I never said I don't think governments should have authority. What I disagreed with is when you said governments should have absolute authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:52 PM
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Once they’ve formed their country they then have a natural right to decide who can or can’t become a member of it. Only individuals have rights. Governments either protect them or violate them, and restricting the right of people to pursue happiness for no reason other than "I don't like immigrants" is a violation of the definition of natural rights laid out to us in the founding document of the American ideal. I'll just add Reagan to the list of "Americans" who have forgotten where we came from…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:44 PM
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And no, people don’t have the right to do whatever they want with the only condition that what they do doesn’t harm anyone, if nothing else because the concept of harm is not set in stone, which means that anyone’s definition of harmless could be ignorant, as is your case. Fundamentally disagree. Anyone's definition of "harm" could be similarly ignorant. If you have legitimate grievance, that's fine, but someone else merely living and working in the same country as you is not a legitimate grieva…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:41 PM
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A globalized world doesn't mean a universally peaceful one. In the long term international organizations may become powerful enough to adjudicate international disputes in courts rather than relying on countries to settle them with bombs and slaughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:38 PM
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"Given the choice, the better option is to destroy liberty ourselves because otherwise someone else might destroy it instead."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:32 PM
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So you think people don't have the right to do what they want, even if they don't harm anyone else? In that case, you value individualism and classical liberty too little to have a productive discussion about it - your postulates about the world are too far towards authoritarianism to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:01 PM
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defending an inexistent right to enter your country supposedly held by those who potentially could exercise tribalist tyranny. I believe all human beings have the inherent individual right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the right to live and work where one chooses, as long as they take no actions to infringe on the rights of others. Violating those rights and justifying the violation based on what they might "potentially" do is a depredation of liberty I will not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:48 PM
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Your argument is incoherent. Sovereignty is literally the right to exercise absolute authority over the individual. Big oof right there. This is the point I meant earlier - if you believe governments are justified in exercising absolute authority regardless of the rights of the individual, you value individualism and individual liberty too little to have a productive discussion. Trade, sure. Economic globalization is the precursor to political globalization. Why? Because the economic benefits of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:40 PM
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But no country anywhere, ever, has ever allowed free migration and not paid a price for it. America, the most powerful nation on the planet, was built entirely by immigrants from day 1. You're arguing as if nation states can't, don't or shouldn't exist. Nation-states can exist. They just can't violate the right to individual liberty. Globalism is inexorable and the countries that realize this first will be the determining powers of the remainder of the 21st century.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:11 PM
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Do individuals have the liberty to pursue happiness as long as they aren't harming anyone else? If yes, then strict immigration laws are unjustified. If not, we differ too much on the value of individual liberty to make this conversation worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:05 PM
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Governments don't have the right to restrict the individual right to pursue happiness because they think that right is "bad for the country." Individual liberty is more important than whatever the government thinks is "the greater good." Also, brain draining other countries is actually great for the economies of countries like the USA that (used to) attract their best and brightest through H1B visas, etc. Sadly, that policy is no more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:55 PM
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Here's an argument for you - unless someone actually throws someone else off a rooftop, maybe don't violate their individual right to pursue happiness simply because they come from a country where that happens. Oh boi. Another western idiot who thinks they are taking part in a war. I let the religious right fight their holy wars among each other. My job is to defend individual liberty in a world of your tribalist tyranny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:49 PM
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Using government to enforce strict immigration law violating individual liberty merely because they have a different culture than you is cultural enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:44 PM
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'pursuit of happiness to be more all-encompassing, Sure. Because he wanted to make sure people have the right to pursue happiness without harming other people. An immigrant living and working in your country isn't harming you, therefore they according to Jefferson have the right to pursue happiness by doing so. The End. The whole point of "holding these truths to be self-evident" is to make these statements above debate. You squabbling over what is and isn't the "literal definition" of happiness…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:39 PM
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Your argument is that the Western religious right is somehow different from the Muslim religious right. The truth is both of you are the same and you're too wrapped in ignorance to see it. Secular classical liberalism is the only saving force from the depredations of right-wing religious tyranny, and our enemies are many.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:35 PM
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And you resort to ad hominem because you're incapable of rebuttal. Thanks for playing, better luck next time!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:27 PM
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the actual governing ideology. The governing ideology of the western right and the Islamist right are identical on policy. The only difference is the matter of degree of power the right has in their respective governments. In the West, the depredations of the right are mostly thwarted by the liberal majority. In the Middle East, the culturally conservative right wing rules unchallenged. TIL Christians prosecute “infidels”. "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fath…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:22 PM
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The pursuit of happiness specifically refers to the right to acquire and own property. Great. Therefore by your own argument working and buying property is a natural right and governments prohibiting foreign nationals from doing so through strict immigration law is violating their rights. Good to know. BTW, that's not what the phrase "pursuit of happiness" means at all, and the Federalist Papers never discuss the Declaration of Independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:13 PM
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https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:11 PM
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For starters, using government to ban people from living and working where they like because they're from certain regions the right associates with "undesirable" cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:47 PM
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Would women rather have the right to vote or the right to be raped and beaten by these people?! The whole point is that they get to decide. And by the way, if we're violating individual liberty based on crime statistics, I think we should be safe and just lock up all the men. After all, men are 99.9% of all rapists and 90%+ of all violent criminals. By your own argument, it's only right to lock up all men due to their inherently violent nature. That's what you sound like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:44 PM
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What I mean is that the anti-immigrant right don't keep the debate in cultural terms. They are afraid of losing their cultural hegemony, so they turn to government to enforce their cultural ideas on everyone else, even if those enforcements violate the liberty of others. That is the short road to fascism I am referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:27 PM
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Imagine being so ignorant that you think “immigrating” is a right. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Living and working where you want = pursuing happiness = an inalienable right. The End. in those places where the neofascist right has the power to do and undo as they please There are no such places in the world currentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:23 PM
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Giving women voting rights was a mistake. When you're so supportive of western culture that supports women's rights that you deny women's rights to protect it, and you don't even see your own irony. The modern right is a confused beast that will do nothing but destroy everywhere it goes in its confused hatred of individual liberty that violates WASP culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:04 PM
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Individual liberty is more important than cultural enforcement. Believing government is responsible for enforcing cultural norms is a short road to fascism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:00 PM
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Individual liberty is more important than cultural enforcement. Enforcing culture through government edict is a short road to authoritarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:59 PM
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bleeding heart idiots who beg for such immigration are only inviting more and more people whose views run opposite to theirs Or maybe we just support individual liberty over government mandated thoughtcrime? People's "views" shouldn't mean the government gets to violate their individual rights. Poor fellas are having 30 years of progress made reverted by people too unintelligent to see beyond their own need for virtue signaling. The neofascist right, in their pursuit of Christian theocracy, are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:56 PM
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Globalism is free market economics taken to their logical extremes. Imagination is believing governments have the power to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:52 PM
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I wouldn't do anything different. The fleshy casing for one's consciousness shouldn't make much of a difference on your life's path unless it is disabled or otherwise extremely abnormal. If you think a different body would make an extreme difference (assuming consciousness remains the same as per OP), your life path is likely misguided. All humans want three things: health, wealth, and happiness. The methods to achieve those three things are essentially the same regardless of gender (variance of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:34 PM
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If you're in MMA you should know striking your way out of a takedown doesn't work. You need a sprawl or other more advanced takedown defenses because bare hands lose to bull rushes almost every time. Especially bare hands - if you hit somebody on the top of their head while their chin is tucked and they're charging into you, your hand is going break, their skull isn't. Your tiny finger bones lose vs skull plates, male or female. I'm not really here to try to reason you out of positions you didn'…
/r/TheRedPill14/03/20 06:26 PM
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Big guys punch significantly harder than small guys but if that small guy knows BJJ and the other guy doesn't, they're going to get destroyed. See: early UFC for proof. "I punch harder" doesn't make a difference if somebody else's strategy is to come in low, get their arms around your waist, drag you to the ground, and strangle you to death, which is all BJJ is. This just reeks of somebody who hasn't ever fought in a competitive or real-life context. If somebody wants to take an untrained or eve…
/r/TheRedPill14/03/20 05:01 PM
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"I don't train for the gym, I train for the streets" yeah sure dude. A woman with a purple belt in BJJ from a good gym will submit 95%+ of untrained men in the street or elsewhere. The whole point of BJJ is the use of leverage and technique to level the playing field between smaller and heavier opponents. Furthermore many BJJ techniques like armbars can play to women's natural advantages of strong legs and asses and lower centers of gravity. Purple belt women vs untrained man, I'll bet on the wo…
/r/TheRedPill14/03/20 03:43 PM
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One interesting thing about that high divorce rate is that it includes divorces of 2nd, 3rd, etc. marriages. If you look at the divorce rate of first marriages alone the lifetime divorce rate is about 30%. That drops to under 20% if the marriage is between educated couples above the age of 25. So really it's more accurate to think of marriage of having an 80% chance of lifetime success rather than a 50/50 chance. Just a little anecdote about that divorce stat. Source here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 03:22 AM
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I'm not going to say it doesn't matter at all but I think a man's appearance is further down the sexual attraction priority scale to a woman than a woman's appearance is to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 12:12 AM
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It's definitely the opposite. Men might get more "desirable" (tho I think this is arguable) but everyone knows how pathetic the 35+ dude looks trying to pick up college girls in a bar. I think you'll find most guys who are still trying to act like they did in college in their late 30's and 40's are more likely to feel lonely and unfulfilled than somebody who settled down with a good woman in their late 20s/early 30s. hey often do that also because casual sex for a young man, unless he's stunning…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 10:43 PM
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"Wah wah women have more options than men when dating." Let me get the world's smallest violin out for you. Maybe if so many men didn't lie about how special we are or how much they love us just to get their dicks wet we wouldn't have to make you put your money where your mouth is. Really, men only have their own uncontrollable sex addictions to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:24 PM
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It's not that the woman's time is more valuable than yours. It's that women get a lot more attention from men than vice versa so we can afford to be more choosy about who we spend our finite time with. If I as a woman am genuinely interested in a man who is a known quantity (i.e. someone I know in my social circle who I have at least an idea of what kind of person they are) then sure, I'll go on lower effort/cheaper dates because there's less risk of being taken advantage of. This advice is targ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:37 PM
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The whole point is that the vast majority of fuckbois aren't going to try to pump and dump if it costs them things they actually value. They'll drop her and move on to easier targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 08:31 PM
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Women will always have more options than men, all else equal, because men are biologically much more sexually driven than women are. This fact means these strategies work for all women, not just the hot ones. And women often absolutely do need to learn these strategies to maximize their outcomes, even if they are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:57 PM
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ight and throwing down a few bucks makes all of that okay The whole point is most men are going to balk if suddenly it costs them a couple hundred bucks or more every time they want to lie about their intentions with women. Probably because their sisters are giving away the milk for free as it is 😁 Women can do what they want. Personally I think the rapid growth of FDS and other communities of women using sexual strategy to their own benefit will in the long run result in much better dating outc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:48 PM
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That is an incredibly cynical way to approach this. You say cynicism, I say it's simply not being naive enough to think all men tell the truth about what they want. Unfortunately I've been around enough redpillers/frat bros/chad wannabes to know that their word is pretty much worthless as soon as the slimmest chance to get laid presents itself. Please don't pretend to be a feminist or an egalitarian Sorry to bust your bubble but there's nothing egalitarian about dating. It's about as perfectly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:42 PM
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Perhaps you should be telling your daughter that men and women are in fact, equal, Men and women are absolutely not equal in the dating marketplace. Men are much more capable and likely to sexually or physically abuse women than women are to men. Furthermore many many men have no qualms about telling whatever pretty lies to women about how much they love them and how special they are and how serious they are about a relationship if they think it bumps their chances to get their dicks wet that ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:08 PM
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All I'm going to say on this one is I guarantee I'm going to tell my daughter to next men who don't want to invest any time or money into her in a new relationship. To me, that just proves they're looking for a chance to pump and dump as cheaply as possible. Women have options. Leverage them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 09:14 PM
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Remember what I said about biology being unfair above? This is where it comes in. There is no way to equitably share pregnancy between parents. Unfortunately biology doesn't work like that. So yes, if you're a man and you have unprotected sex with someone and they get pregnant, you're on the hook for your 50% just like the woman is as well if she keeps it. You can't force women to have your kids and you can't force them to get an abortion because the pregnancy affects her body not yours. It's bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:35 PM
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"My body, my choice, your responsibility." You having to pay 50% of child support is just you taking your share of responsibility for the child. Don't see what the big issue is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:27 PM
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Men have no such options. You're saying men don't have birth control options? Unfortunately biology isn't fair. Men are larger, more athletic, and stronger than women. That's an unfairness of biology that can't be fixed. Well, another unfairness is that men don't bear children in their own bodies as a woman does. Men don't get to force women to bear children or have an abortion because it's not their body on the line. Don't want to get into an abortion debate but the biological reality is that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:39 PM
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I mean seems to me that's up to the man right? The girl is going to be too naive to know any better, and if the man also wants what she wants there's not going to be an issue. The damage only happens when the man takes advantage of her naivety to use her for sex while pretending to want more. In that case the girl is going to learn pretty quick that she needs to start making men invest more than just pretty words if they want to pursue her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:48 PM
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Sure that's fine. I don't really mind you thinking women need to contribute more to earn your love or whatever. My whole point was just that sex is a much riskier thing for women, so a woman sex is usually going to be more valuable/cost a man more than it would be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:16 PM
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None of the available contraceptive options change the fact that casual sex is fundamentally biologically riskier for women because the worst case scenario is she's the one stuck with a baby growing inside her for 9 months and then a lifetime of care, whereas men can and often do just skip town and leave their responsibilities behind. takes actual responsibility Imagine thinking men are more responsible than women when it comes to sex :/ looking at any population of men under 25 that will go bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:05 PM
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I just don't think it's something that's "attractive" per se, but something women do as a defense mechanism. In an ideal world men would tell the truth about their intentions and then I think women would be much more likely to split bills evenly because both people are being honest - the date would be essentially a relationship audition for both parties, nobody is going in with opaque or ulterior motives, and the relationship can start out on a truly egalitarian footing and so can the logistics …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 07:00 PM
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I'm not sure what your point is here - yes some women treat sex casually. But I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that women (in general) treat sex anywhere near as casually as men do (in general.) Women know men are about 10x hornier than they are. So it's up to the women to force men to invest money and time into pursuing them so it actually costs men resources to pump and dump if the woman doesn't want that to happen to her (which the majority of women don't.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:47 PM
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You realize the vast majority of women do not have that high an N-count right? You're building a strawman that all women are sluts that fuck hundreds of dudes. That's not the case, most women are looking for longer term relationship in my experience. What I'm saying is women who are looking for long relationships (the majority) have both biological and emotional incentive to force men to invest resources (money or time) into pursuing her before giving them what they want (sex) to prevent being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:34 PM
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You say this like abortion is as easy and simply as going to get your nails done. That isn't the case. Even for a woman who is absolutely sure of her intentions and feels no emotional connection to the embryo at all, it's still a very invasive medical process that often costs thousands of dollars and a large time commitment. It's irresponsible to pretend both men and women have equal biological risk in casual sex. Men are at less risk of catching an STD. Men don't have the risk of getting pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:17 PM
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It's not about "feeling special" it's about forcing commitment out of men before giving them what they want. Men can and do fake attraction to try to get sex. Women have a lot of options, especially the attractive ones - by forcing men to invest time and money, both of which men value, women are ensuring the men pursuing them are in it for the long run and aren't trying to just pump and dump on a cheap coffee date or something. I will always encourage women (as a man) to do this out of self-pres…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:13 PM
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What underlying premise? That old people generally look less sexually attractive than young people? I don't think that's a controversial statement. The controversy occurs when 20 something males who aren't good with women try to console themselves by pretending they're immune to the effects of aging (see linked sub for evidence to the contrary) while women somehow magically turn into trolls on their 30th birthday.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 11:11 PM
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"The wall" is a non-existent male revenge fantasy. Time does not favor genders, and overall I think women take far better care of their skin, hair, and bodies than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 07:49 PM
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Men are not interested in spending time and resources to be just another stepping stone in her journey to find herself. Yeah they are because men are driven by brain stem sexual urges more than anything else. Obviously men are interested in doing those things for her because they already are doing those things. The reason why women can afford to be this picky is because if they corner the market (be attractive, single, childless, and financially self-sufficient at an age where very few attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 07:38 PM
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I absolutely agree with 2. Fundamentally that difficulty is the most important thing that will prevent TRP from becoming widespread - it's pretty fucking hard to turn yourself as a beta into an alpha. Takes a lot of self-discipline, effort, and objectivity, plus discovering for yourself a lot of aspects that can't be taught like charisma, leadership, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 12:32 AM
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Meh. I think there are lots of alphas who want a family and kids with a good wife. Successfully passing on your genes is the most alpha thing possible after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 11:27 PM
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Sure but it's not bad in the first place? I don't care if you say the same wrong things about men too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:39 PM
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I have no idea how you could conclude that modern women are children but ok. Seeking economic self-reliance is an adult thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:25 PM
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Lol. So why did you say "culture death" as your answer to OPs question?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:21 PM
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Well, you said the result of women not settling down because of their economic independence is culture death, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:16 PM
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If women not being economically subordinate to men means cultural death, then hand me a shovel for the grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:13 PM
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This sounds like the argument Marx used to use when he predicted the widespread revolution of the working class, but that never happened because individually the working class is pretty powerless and has a lot more to worry about on a day to day basis than gender politics. As long as they can still put food on their table they aren't going to be striking, revolting, or putting their livelihoods at risk over women's economic independence, and what's more society already almost universally agrees …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:10 PM
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Fair enough. I don't know if I have enough data points about Gen Z to determine trends. I do think I remember reading something about Gen Z having higher levels of religiosity than millennials so that could have something to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:00 PM
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Gen Z is still in school/college. The tail end of the millennials are just turning 23-24 and I don't think any significant contingent of gen z is doing anything in the "real world" yet. The large majority of them are still kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 09:53 PM
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Well... then there is no reason to defend said society isn't it? The problem is alpha males have a reason to defend it because they'll get all the women. And alphas (rich, successful, powerful, physically dominant etc.) kind of run the show of human civilization more or less. That top 20% of men aren't going to want to burn anything down and will actively work to defend the status quo that greatly benefits themselves, and they're arguably the most powerful group in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 09:50 PM
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Some general thoughts: Further hypergamous behavior (women who aren't constrained by economics aren't going to settle down with betas for their resources) so they're going to probably keep seeking out the highest value men (alphas) for longer. Maybe they give up in their 30's and settle for a beta, maybe they stay single for longer, even their entire lives ("rather be single than date down"). Depends on the individual. Decline in birth rates. We already see this in western countries, though fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 09:46 PM
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Uh you realize it's pretty ridiculous to say one sub (FDS) is exactly like some other sub because they link to it or whatever? If you want to criticize FDS, criticize FDS. Not some other sub saying "but this is just like FDS!!!" Goofy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 02:25 AM
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Well it's not encouraging women to use dread game, spin plates while in a relationship, or fuck as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time possible. All things TRP suggests. TRP even supports the dark triad as a mating strategy - literally adopting the three most immoral traits a person can have in order to get laid more. Not like I have a problem with TRP. They can do their thing, I'll do mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:43 AM
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Lol you keep pretending I said to lie to a new partner which I never did. Do you know what a strawman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:25 AM
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I don't think FDS concerns itself with men's weird hangups about their partner's sexual history as much as you pretend they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:21 AM
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All women have that luxury. Any woman can go on tinder and reasonably expect at least a few matches with guys who want to smash. Literal 0/10s can do this because men are so horny and there are so many of them that are sexually frustrated. This is a general reality of the dating game - women will ALWAYS have more options than men do. Is that all you have to offer? What do you have to offer? Another dick from the hundreds women get thrown every single day? FDS encourages self-improvement over all…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:14 AM
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Lol when did I ever say anything about lying about sexual history. FDS operates on a "don't ask don't tell" policy about n counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:10 AM
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Maximizing your dating outcomes using voluntary strategy isn't immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:07 AM
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just because you don’t pay for a date once does not make you a LVM. Whether or not you're high SMV or low SMV, it does mean you aren't willing to invest any real value into the woman, so she's just going to next you and try out someone from the next hundred men in her life all begging for the spot. The whole point is to get an investment of time or money from men before proceeding into a relationship to prove the man actually wants to commit and isn't just saying/acting in whatever way he thinks…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 12:42 AM
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How is FDS lying to someone by choosing not to pay on a date someone else asked them on?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 12:37 AM
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Funny, how it only applys to men, right? You nazis, if we are going to go the euginc route "ImPrOvE tHe SpeCIeS", how about we get rid of ugly women. Lol. Maybe if men weren't so willing to fuck anything with a warm hole, that would actually happen. The reason women can be picky is because men are so dominated by their own sex drive they'll line up by the dozens for any women no matter how high or low quality they are. It's their own inability to control their own dicks that allows women to be p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 10:24 PM
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Women don't need sexual strategy to attract betas or get NSA sex with alphas. They need sexual strategy to attract alphas who want to commit because they're so rare and difficult to lock down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 10:01 PM
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Doesn't sound healthy to me to think of people as "alphabucks" and whatnot, but whatever works for them! It's just a typecasting like you calling people "Mr. Nice Guys" above. We all know what that type is, so it's easier to figure out a shorthand for it we can all use to simplify conversations. thanks for distilling it for me. Yeah NP. I really don't get all the fuss about FDS from men here. It seems like just as much of a viable strategy as TRP is and men vehemently support that...but whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:42 PM
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And lots of guys go on dates because they just want to find a warm hole to stick their dick in. What's your point? Getting ready to be wined and dined doesn't sound high effort to me. It's not high effort, it's just proving they aren't thinking of you as "the enemy" as you so melodramatically assume. If they thought you were "the enemy" they wouldn't be seeing you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:36 PM
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I hardly doubt anyone on there is able to find a keeper Seems like the double negative indicates you think they are able to find keepers, which I would agree with based on the common testimonials in that community.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:33 PM
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If someone treated you like you were the enemy from day 1 Look there's a word for people who implicitly trust other people to only ever have good intentions from day 1, and that word is naive. Women who go on dates with you are not treating you like the enemy. If they really considered you their enemy, they wouldn't be bothering to dress up and go out and take the risk of meeting a strange man alone. What they're doing is holding tryouts for the position of LTR partner and making sure they are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:27 PM
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Still, I think that my pool of colleagues/friends would generally disapprove of FDS behavior Most "normies" generally disapprove of red pill behavior - dark triad, spinning plates, dread game etc. That doesn't mean TRP doesn't work to achieve the goals of the men who use it. People who don't consciously think about sexual strategy believe in a world where men and women just eventually couple up and fall in love like a Disney movie, and they tend to dislike dating methods that violate or undermin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:10 PM
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marriage & love used to be about each person loving one another and putting the OTHER one first mutually taking care of each other. That's what FDS is looking for. But you wouldn't want to do that for someone who doesn't care about you back, would you? FDS is about ensuring that the men women date are trying to actually date and commit to them instead of just trying to pump and dump. Their entire strategy is built around playing to their advantages to attract high value men who want to commit to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:57 PM
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Do you think FDS is helpful in a marriage? I think the helpfulness of sexual strategies like FDS/TRP decline rapidly in LTRs, marriage or otherwise. Sexual strategies are designed to maximize outcomes in the dating market depending on what your goals are, when you're still on the market. But when you go off the market and get to marriage and LTRs, the situation becomes much more complex. It's more about working to maintain and enjoy, and in reality you shouldn't be trying to emotionally manipula…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:52 PM
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So you understand that if you're weeded out of the woman's pool of suitors because you don't want to pay that means FDS' strategy is working, right? They're looking for a man to invest time and resources to prove their commitment to her (i.e. forcing men to not pump & dump without it costing them something they value, time and money.) They combine that with looksmaxxing and the natural huge advantages women have in the dating pool (i.e. hundreds of men banging down every woman's door) to leverag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:42 PM
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Okay, then OP is kind of asking meaningless questions. Asking how women would do in the sexual marketplace using TRP tactics is like asking how a UFC fighter would do using Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai to play golf in the US Open. The skills and goals are completely different and thus the comparison is pointless. If you want to actually compare how both genders use sexual strategy and learn something meaningful from it, you want TRP and FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:36 PM
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Obviously women's sexual strategy isn't going to be the same as men's so they aren't going to do TRP stuff like lifting etc. FDS is the female RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:23 PM
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It exists, it's called FDS. It's pretty successful because women are generally more rational in the pursuit of their sexual/relational goals due to the fact that they don't have an overwhelming sex drive, which often causes men to act irrationally/suboptimally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:31 PM
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You don't deserve to pass on your genes for just existing. The whole point of the reproductive evolutionary process is to continually weed out weak/low value specimens in the gene pool to ensure the best chance of survival of the species. If that means low value men can't pass on their genes that's a feature of evolution, not a bug.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:55 PM
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Like the other poster said, I think it's validating to lots of women to be "picked" by a high SMV man. Whether or not that "should" be validating is up to someone's personal morality, I don't think it's right or wrong either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:47 PM
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The women who dress up sexy and go out to try to get hit on proves otherwise. The majority of women absolutely see getting hit on/sleeping with a high SMV man as validating/fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:23 PM
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Your emotional outburst here denigrating science tells me this is something you've thought about but buried deep within your psyche. I'd encourage you to consider what the evidence of the human condition shows you. Or, continue to persist in the refusal to accept anything other than immortality. I understand many people find that comforting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:50 AM
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What the extremes do shouldn't concern us. They're wrong - I don't have the authority to interfere in your life because you want to have sex. Socially or otherwise. Someone can be a moral counselor all they want, but a moral regulator is a bridge too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:38 AM
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You believe that. I don't. What you were for the eternity before you were born is what you will be for the eternity after you die - black nothingness. It's not something you have to be sad about. It's just what it is, and maybe something to ponder when you think about the life you have left. "Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and when death is come, we are not. It is nothing, then, either to the living or to the dead, for wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:29 AM
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Which should be allowed, and which not? We have debates about that using the NAP as one of the principles we use to decide the merits of a case. Note - someone choosing to have a lot of sex doesn't fall into any of those examples you give. You don't have the authority to prevent other people from doing what they want if they clearly aren't harming you, and it's kind of ridiculous to say that two people having sex across town are harming you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:13 AM
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Okay cool 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:09 AM
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In a thread talking about social restriction of sex you heavily imply you think that's necessary/good.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 08:01 AM
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Guess what - when you die you're going to go black like a lightbulb going out and spend all eternity in oblivion. It's up to you to do what you want with the time you have now. Good luck, I truly mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:50 AM
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Unless you believe in a completely stateless, lawless anarchistic society where everyone is allowed to do whatever they want This is ridiculous. Nobody is being harmed if a couple wants to have consensual casual sex with each other. It's not tantamount to a lawless waste. Here - learn what the NAP is. 100% freedom in practice. Nobody is asking for 100% freedom. What I'm asking for is the freedom to do what I want as long as I don't directly harm anybody else. Somebody else's hedonism does not di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:48 AM
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Okay? So why do you care what other people do while you're happily married? Hey if that's your utopia? I've got bigger plans Utopia is being able to fulfill your life, whatever that means to you. If that's hedonism, let it be so. If that's getting happily married with the nice picket fence, go right ahead and do so as well. As long as you realize your moral handwringing is just that I don't have any issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:39 AM
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Okay, so why are you complaining about other people who are? Why are you so preoccupied with other people making different choices than you do? The best thing about a libertine society is if you want hedonism, it's there for you. If you want a "church girl" they're still there too. Really also the problem is men getting too hysterical about sex making a woman "damaged goods" while they more or less all try to rack up the highest body counts they can. It's just sex, stop letting your monkey brain…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:36 AM
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So its understandable why some people want to change others behavior if they think its having a big overall negative effect. Tons of people think other people's behavior has negative effect - but that doesn't mean they have any authority to change it. The "social fabric" handwringing is an old one blaming the scapegoat of the day, black people, homosexuals, in this case single mothers, always justifying more and more social control by the white heterosexual male based on flimsy arguments about h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:31 AM
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So I don't want to get drunk and fuck strangers anymore. Then don't. Find a good woman to settle down with and be done with it. You are just bitching about something that is completely within your power to solve. Unless you're unable to attract quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:21 AM
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Then put your money where your mouth is and join a monastery.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:16 AM
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(just as an example) would you consider a woodstock-like drugs ridden country/society paradise? Paradise is being free to do whatever you want without harming anybody else. If that includes hedonism, so be it. TBH people who think hedonism is automatically bad don't have a great idea of what hedonism is or what the hedonist's dilemma is. We already live in a hedonist society - life consists of birth > a set of sensory experiences > death and we all want to obtain the money, ability, and power to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:11 AM
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unrestrained sexuality could greatly increase the number of births Explain how the birth rate is decreasing rapidly in all developed countries then. With modern birth control the fact of the matter is, in developed nations sex is consequence-free. having a completely libertine society is not what I would call an "utopia". A libertine society means you have the freedom to set up or join whatever moral communities you'd like. We already have a ton of them, they're called churches. Otherwise, indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:05 AM
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"Continuation of culture" has always been the rationale of authoritarianism. You can be as prudish as you'd like in your own time but social liberalization and individual freedom is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:02 AM
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When its just a trivial pump and dump it feels so meaningless in comparison. Nobody is forcing you to do this. You're choosing to live the hedonists life (not that there's anything wrong about that) not finding a good LTR with a woman you love and respect. I don't see how you being unhappy with your own choices constitutes this anger with social sexual promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 07:00 AM
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Then you should be stoked society encourages women to casually date around and doesn't put limits on how high they can branch swing. Cause you'll be the tallest branch, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:55 AM
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Lol the FDS salt is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 03:49 AM
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I don't really think FDS is the ultimate arbiter of what women want? Also I've definitely seen posters there that are into kink. It's not a mainstream desire but a significant portion of women are into it in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 03:41 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with consensual BDSM, no. Lots of women find great sexual satisfaction from those acts and actively seek out doms to engage in them with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 03:37 AM
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Yeah and? I don't think there's an ethical problem with engaging in these activities voluntarily at all. The question you have to ask - is someone being harmed in the activity? If everyone is voluntarily participating (which these guys obviously are) I don't think you can reasonably call the activity unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 03:35 AM
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There's nothing unethical about someone choosing to give their money and resources to someone else. If the guys get off on it that's def a little weird but it doesn't seem like anything I'd call unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 02:36 AM
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Easy for you to say that something that can literally decide the rest of your future like a scholarship isn't that important Most scholarships for specified groups are between $5,000 - $15,000. That is literally a pittance compared to the hardships some people suffer through. You need to have more perspective. When enough people are fed up with people being given unearned handouts based on race or gender, they will be made illegal. It's very simple. Lol sure. You're going to make it illegal for …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:34 PM
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In that case women really won't mind at all what I have planned for them! Lol you are never putting the social liberation of sex back into the cultural bag. You're trying to shut the barn doors after the horses are already in another country having ONS. the two rules You think I have sympathy for this? Make yourself attractive. You have zero excuses unless you have a legitimate disability. Genetics are so much less important for the SMV of men than they are for women. Is that a woman acting like…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:13 PM
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and men all over the world (from the first world to the third world) are picking up on it finally thank God. You say this after another comment arguing that life is unfair to men. And link to an article specifically about the rise of anti-female authoritarians. And then thank God for that phenomenon. And yet you're telling me you don't actually want authoritarians around to "settle the scales" of fairness in your mind? Get real. No, what I'm very clearly saying is that no one should be singled o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:57 PM
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don't ad hominem me Doesn't have to be about you specifically, don't need to take it personally. Lol. Yes we have much authoritarian policies in place for men. Okay so authoritarian means someone else forces you not to do something on the threat of violence or imprisonment. Feeling socially frowned upon does not qualify as authoritarianism lmao. It's up to you to learn how to hit on women without seeming like a creep. It's up to you to make yourself into the kind of man who can get what you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:36 PM
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just because our SMP is currently libretarian for women, and authoritarian for men, doesn't mean there aren't other policies to be had. L-O-fucking-L. The SMP is libertarian for everyone. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything in the sexual marketplace, it's as close to pure free-market competition as anything ever gets. The market decided bro, if you aren't getting laid then you just ain't good enough. You being unable to find people willing to fuck you =/= you are being forced into not fucki…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:18 PM
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Completely agree. But I think lots of men in that top 20% who have access to lots of casual sex aren't going to look for a LT gf at all until they age out of their fuckboi phase, falling into category 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:57 PM
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1 isn't rare at all in fact the majority of women I know did that. I think most of those cases are actually #3 - women marrying men in their 20s who are nice guys, have their shit more or less together etc. but if they were single they would not be near high enough SMV to fall into alpha category (top 20% or less of men.) When I say alphabucks I mean the component of that top 20% of men who choose to seek out LTRs in their 20s instead of trying to stack up all the bodies readily available to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:42 PM
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I was responding to a comment that said "life is unfair" Yeah, by saying that men are going to make life fair again using state authoritarianism to punish women for making life "unfair" and then when I pushed you on that you said some nonsense about how STEM scholarships for people who aren't you is evil. Which doesn't relate to the original point about you justifying anti-women authoritarianism in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:36 PM
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they might do something about their shit circumstances I force them to live in! Women choosing to fuck other people isn't forcing shit. This is like whining about how someone else doesn't want to be your friend and blaming them for it because "they're forcing you to be lonely." You aren't owed anybody else's time, much less their body, so to say choosing not to fuck you is "forcing men into shit circumstances" is honestly ridiculous. Jesus Christ I can't believe I need to say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:29 PM
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Yes it's pretty well known that the betas who can't get laid are generally much more bitter/misogynist than the alphas who can. But I think there's a good percentage of true romantics among all types of men who do actively seek out relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:20 PM
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You link an article about the rise of anti-female state authoritarianism. That has nothing to do with STEM scholarships for women. Are you also pissy about scholarships for racial minorities as well? People can create scholarships for whatever group they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:04 PM
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I think women who want marriage/long term committed relationships have three options: Hope they luck out and lock down alphabucks early (an attractive man who also wants a LTR.) These are rare in my experience. Wait until the attractive men grow out of their "spreading seed" phase which usually happens around 30-35. Find a less attractive (beta) guy who likes you and will be very happy to have a LTR so they can have regular sex/the relationship they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:30 PM
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People not wanting to fuck you doesn't justify using the state to punish them for it. Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:14 PM
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Pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:02 AM
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I’m not a tradcon. You realize the definition of tradcon is "far-right social conservative," which is what you literally called yourself above..."I’m definitely socially conservative, and pretty far on the right." That’s not what I said. It is when you said the party that is less likely to be in a committed relationship, knowing zero other information, is the "beta party." Not being in a committed relationship =/= beta. Because I’ve actually read TRP. Yeah I've read TRP too. To deny their whole …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:52 AM
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Evidently the sex isn’t good enough alone to keep them around. Neither here nor there. The point is not marrying your first love doesn't make you a beta, and neither does having casual sex outside of a relationship. I get you're a tradcon but FYI tradcon =/= alpha as a rule. In fact lots of tradcon beliefs are fundamentally designed to limit the power of alphas and promote the interests of betas (no casual sex, every man gets a wife, lots of strict social rules to enforce the above.) The more so…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:25 AM
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"Without a steady partner" =/= "won't fuck each other." 90% of TRP can be described as "without a steady partner." I think saying conservatives snatched up the "respectable" women is empty moralizing/LARPing. Either way you can't deny that under 30 women (i.e. highest SMV) vote +35 Democrat or more. I'm not saying you can't be a conservative and do well with women (cause obviously you can and calling one party the "beta party" is for stupid people) but the number of young male conservatives who …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:09 AM
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Obviously this is skewed by heavily conservative-leaning boomers who married their high school sweetheart and haven't ever had casual sex because they believe invisible sky man will send them to hell for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:56 AM
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If you meet some guy who struggles with women, what SMV benefit do you get from helping him change that? It's an interesting question in lots of scenarios. What does Warren Buffet gain from teaching other people how to invest more wisely and make more money? Clearly it does nothing to help him, and by lowering the number of easy fish in the market he probably is actively hurting himself. Similarly why do successful entrepreneurs often volunteer advice about running a competitive business success…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:25 AM
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Do you think a guy who is willing to pay for the date is going to be less interested in casual sex or is it more a case of fuck it, he was only looking for casual sex, but at least I got a free dinner? The point is by forcing an investment out of a man the likelihood of getting used for sex is decreased. The truth is attractive/high SMV women have an army of dudes beating down their door for the chance to fuck them. This is their way of separating the wheat from the chaffe as it were. These wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 04:28 AM
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If you don't want to pay on dates, just don't and the woman will next you just like men do when a woman won't put out on the first date. The reason FDS does this is to force men to make an investment of time and resources. It's designed to push out the men who are just looking for casual sex and it works. If you're turned off by that, blame the men who will say/do anything to pump and dump as long as they don't have to invest anything of real value into the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 01:01 AM
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Depends on the woman tbh. You'd wait 90 days for prime Princess Diana (or any other grail woman) if we're both being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:03 AM
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Not true. MGTOW are vehemently anti-feminists and also constantly bitch about how god damned hard it is to be a white man in the modern world. You could say the same about MRAs and most of the Republican vote base as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:20 AM
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Holy shit the alt-right does have at least one woman!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 10:28 PM
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You're thinking of game as a protocol or a flow chart, when it's really just a tool set. Sure because you view it correctly. But I think guys who buy and read all the PUA books, watch hours of that Tyler dude on YouTube etc. are not looking at it the way you and I do. I've seen it myself - a nerdy, beta buddy finds TRP and PUA and gets excited about finding a scientific protocol to use on women like the ones he uses for everything else in his life, when he's really missing the point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:11 PM
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If people really think game doesn't change anything at all, i.e. 0% improvement over no game, they're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:49 PM
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Too many betas find TRP and start sperging out on game/PUA topics. They'll start breaking down every conversation with a woman into a convoluted series of IOIs, shit tests, push-pull, whatever PUA fad of the week really, and for all the effort they will be less successful than a natural alpha because they haven't internalized alpha traits, they're just working really hard to try to convince/trick their target into believing they are one. It will always be a hundred times easier to just be yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:21 PM
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People who are adamant game doesn't matter ....why do you believe this? Well some of us figured out how to flirt with women successfully without having to study it on the internet. Not that there's anything wrong with learning/studying how to do something, but I think lots of "game" advice can be overthought. Working to internalize and build attractive/arousing character traits like leadership, self-confidence, and charisma (as well as male looksmaxing) will almost always work out better and eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:09 PM
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No it's easier to fix looks than it is to learn to be naturally charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:29 AM
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He's Melania's betabux. Anybody who has to mail-order brides from Eastern Europe and pay women to be around him is. Without his daddy's fortune and inherited turnkey real estate empire he'd be a particularly annoying used car salesman and nothing more.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/20 12:34 AM
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If this is what it takes to be considered attractive then maybe female standards are indeed a little fucked to shit. Welcome to the game man. It's hypergamy, it is what it is - females in most species have evolved to ensure the best genetic makeup for their offspring and they will take advantage of the fact that men are much hornier and sex-driven to ensure they get the best mate they can find. If you're a fellow man, it's part of your job to get yourself into that top 20% through looks, charism…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 02:54 AM
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would she still take the opportunity for better if it wasn't guaranteed AND if it meant losing out on what she had before? This is dating in a nutshell. Sometime they will, yeah. Lots of people are willing to roll the dice on a "better" partner they think they have a chance with, men included. Look at the phenomenon of "starter wives" among wealthy men - they marry for love when they're poor and as soon as they reach financial success they dump their wives and go find a supermodel. Dating can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 01:48 AM
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You should consider what the differences are between a "controller" and a "leader." These roles have many similar features but they are fundamentally different concepts. As a man you should be concentrating on building and providing leadership, not control, in your LTRs - it is healthier, more sustainable, and more ethically sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 12:43 AM
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Everyone wants to better their condition in life if they won't lose anything in doing so. It should be completely obvious to anyone that any rational actor would keep going up those stairs under the precepts of the game. The whole joke just belies men's insecurities about not being able to compete in the sexual marketplace (and thus losing out on the pussy) and trying to comfort themselves by blaming their shortcomings on women being "too picky."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 12:24 AM
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Great sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 04:35 PM
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Just wanna say rednecks absolutely don't know how to party. Mention anything more adventurous than alcohol and country music and the puritanical instinct kicks in immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 05:42 AM
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Nah that's every post on RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 11:43 PM
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Men hit the physical appearance wall 10x harder than women because men think a skincare routine is washing your face with dish soap once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:48 PM
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Women are picky because they generally have enough options that they can afford to be. The reason they have better options is because men generally have lower standards because they're more horny and sex-driven (plus casual sex is much more risky for women than men.) So women are picky and men who aren't picked get desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 03:37 AM
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Most/many men care about their progeny and carrying on their line and name. They don't want to be stuck raising somebody else's kid (the true definition of being a cuckold.) So yeah they will be claiming women to marry and raise their children exclusive from other men as humans have done for all time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 02:28 AM
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When you said it's not male nature to protect your woman from other aggressive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 01:47 AM
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He is if he knowingly lets it happen with no objection which is what OP is insinuating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 12:47 AM
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I don't believe it's a base human instinct to protect women, family or not. You're saying cuckoldry is the base male instinct? Because that's what you mean if you think men won't protect their women from would-be rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/19 10:46 PM
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Decades ago we faced adversity with either calm indifference And now you choose to whine about the evil women keeping you down on the internet. You're right, most men are pretty pathetic nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 08:28 AM
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The secret is, to FDS a HVM is sexually alpha (an RP high SMV man) and also willing to provide. As somebody else put it, the alphabux. Personally I think they're out there, and if you're a high quality woman you can get one. Lots of successful, attractive, high SMV men want to raise and be a part of a stable family with a loyal, attractive, high SMV woman as well once they get past 30 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 09:04 PM
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One of the reasons RP/PUA game is successful is because the truth is 9/10 guys are too scared to cold approach a girl. For pretty ones, which I have no reason to doubt you are, it's probably more like 19/20, or even 49/50 or less. So that's 2-5% or fewer of men who are even brave enough to say the first word. This is why it can be easier to attract 8/10, 9/10 or 10/10 girls than 5-7 if you know what you're doing - the percentage of men willing to approach you is much, much lower. So very beautif…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 08:33 PM
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Well first of all your writing is not very clear to me, but I do want to address this one point: Male centered dating strategies focus on the first distinction and Female centered dating strategies focus on the second. I don't believe this is true. I think FDS, TRP or any other "dating strategy philosophy" is built fundamentally on two core steps: Ensure you are in the top 10%/1%/0.1% of your gender for your age group (have high SMV) by any means necessary; physically, financially, emotionally, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 10:35 PM
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Post nut clarity is a description of what happens when a man is not into the woman in the first place but the male libido overpowers his preferences. Then he feels shame or disgust after orgasm and his libido is satisfied. However if he truly does think the girl is hot/attractive, the post nut clarity doesn't occur at the same level or even at all and those feelings of disgust or shame don't surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 01:16 AM
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Facts. Instagram is still popular among both generations though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 07:48 PM
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you haven’t been on the other side of things to see how women treat you when you’re not doing well. They tend to treat you as a bug to be disposed of. That is evident bitterness. I'm not saying TRP doesn't work because self improvement, confidence game, etc. do work. The problem is what OP and the parent comment are talking about - the inherent bitterness/anger towards women omnipresent in redpill communities isn't helping you date, it isn't helping you build long-lasting, constructive relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 07:01 PM
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My point is your bitterness is unjustified and sets you back in the dating game. Other men might not be bitter and still be unsuccessful but their lack of success isn't because of their attitude. Women don't want to fuck angry, bitter men, and that bitterness is much more obvious in real life than you probably realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:28 PM
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Men do not object to hypergamy. Actually, most men believe in it like it's a Newtonian law of the universe. That's why many men leave their "starter wife" when they graduate med school or succeed with their business and start making money. They believe that the best women are with the best men, and that all women are hypergamous. If you are with a guy, he will believe on some level that he is the best you deserve. He thinks that if you could get a millionaire, you'd be with one. And when his cir…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:14 PM
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Great, then what you're telling me is frats are good at taking advantage of drunk 18 year old girls. If that doesn't work just put some GHB in the keg right? Frats and frat boys are a joke in 2019. High value men make money and contribute to the world. All frat boys do is waste their daddy's money getting drunk and trying to date rape girls who literally have no other options. We aren't in a 90's teen comedy, frats are a joke now and hot women go to clubs and bars literally as soon as they get a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 07:36 AM
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You think any self respecting 21+ woman would go to a frat in 2019 unless they had zero other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 07:00 AM
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Yeah but you know it doesn't count when you guys put GHB in the keg tho right? Everyone knows frat boys can't do shit when they turn 25 because they haven't ever realized what it means to build actual male value and manufactured their sexual success by either a) lying about it or b) taking advantage of young, vulnerable women through alcohol/drugs (consensually given or not.) Frats are a joke in the real world today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 06:46 AM
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What we're saying is natural or not obvious bitterness towards women does you no favors. Naturals have fun with the sexual game, that's one source of their confidence, whereas bitter, angry TRPers are way more obvious in life than they think. Also women get to chose who they want, that's the core of the game. Fundamentally bitterness towards them not choosing you because of your inferiority is just being a bad loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 06:42 AM
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I would like to say that I enjoy seeing this sub grow and share the valuable information it has for women. The truth is if you're single it is a bit of a war out there, everyone is trying to get the best they can for themselves depending on what they want and awareness of dating strategy is something everybody needs if they want to maximize their results. If you want the top 10% or less of the other gender you are generally in for a tough competition, and dating strategies (FDS, TRP, etc.) work …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/12/19 04:39 PM
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