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ProgressUnknownReasonings/r/MensRights21/01/25 06:15 PM
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I hate that you're right but more and more lately, I think you are. I spend most of my time in Feminist spaces; they just keep getting more misandristic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 10:46 PM
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What is the "this" that you're pointing out as evidence that men are simple creatures?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:45 PM
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Agreed on all fronts. I think people needlessly gender issues when it serves their argument and not when it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:10 PM
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Sure, what if I ask where you earned your degree from; casual conversation or an assertion that you didn't earn your place? How about if I say all sex workers benefit from, and manipulate, the loneliness of their clients; is that fair because I talk about all sex workers or is it obvious misogyny because most sex workers are women? Every single thing you mention have male-counterparts that you've ignored. You also assume to know the intent of all men when any man say the things you've listed out…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:41 PM
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That would mean only the person doing an action could ever say if what they did was misandristic or misogynistic; which we know is untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:28 PM
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No, of course not. That would be a 24x7 job and isn’t reasonable for anyone to expect. That what it will take if we want equality though. Anyone spreading any bigotry needs to be pushed out. That’s why I rail on anyone that hates on women or men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:26 PM
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I agree with you but I want to call out, the only people that are hurt by us allowing other people to falsely claim to be feminists, is us feminists. Those bigots become the face of the movement when we allow them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:03 PM
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Agreed, as a feminist it infuriates me when people try to spread misandry in the name of feminism. I have to make it known they don't represent the movement if I don't want people to associate their bigotry with me and what I believe. Men and women are great, it's the bigots that need to behave differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:41 PM
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Thank you for telling me about that. I didn’t know about feminism’s role in that. I’ll have to read up on it.
/r/MensRights04/04/25 03:42 AM
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I agree, though I don’t just think women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:41 AM
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That’s a good point. I suppose there is a strong argument that some spin-off movement, RadFem for example, could have a core tenet of focusing solely on women or even denigrating men. I think we would want to be sure we were being specific when we say that though because otherwise we’re using the same “all men” tactics I tink we all agree are wrong.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 09:48 PM
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The reason you keep needing to reword what you're doing is because if you said "treating all men as though they deserve shame for the actions of the few" exposes your misandry. Instead you remove the harmful aspects and call it "being cautious". You aren't being cautious when you spread misandry, you're being a bigot. In your own example you say "Being cautious on a poor neighborhood or a poor country is not classist bigotry" but you don't say poor people are dangerous. That's because you give p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:26 PM
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I'd like to keep this focused on what I said, which is that assigning negative(or positive) traits to someone based on their demographics is bigotry. I'd like to understand why you believe bigotry is reasonable when it comes to innocent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:09 PM
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This is a perfect example!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:56 PM
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I know many feminists. I also meet tons of bigots. The two groups have nothing to do with one another.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 07:39 PM
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Claiming that the shame and mental turmoil you put onto innocent individuals based on the behavior of others with the same demographics. I'm not sure why anyone would purposely internalize the same beliefs as the KKK, Nazi party, and infinite hate-groups; you're sure allowed to do it...but why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:37 PM
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I'll agree that feminists as a whole don't overtly expel the bad-actors as much as I'd like but I can't use that as a way to claim that feminism hasn't fought for me. I'll also agree that the patriarchy theory exists and isn't an accurate representation of reality. I do what I can to fight back on that theory within the greater movement and I'll admit, it's exhausting. I think where we're breaking down is that I believe these are bastardations of the movement, not the movement. There is no group…
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:53 PM
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My statement have been simple and provable: feminism is based on the goal of equality. This has been the case since the movement's founding. Saying that some bad-actors within the movement exist is true. Using that to then claim that the movement itself is bigoted is a dishonest leap. I'm happy to have a conversation based on logic and evidence because that will allow either of us learn something new.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:38 PM
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Since you brought up a specific theory we'll want to see how it is applied by feminism to benefit only women, since that's the claim you've repeated. Please stop half-ass engaging. I'm not going to coach you through a conversation. Either you know the things you do through evidence or you're stating beliefs based on just what feels good.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:21 PM
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Ok, show us.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:15 PM
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This is exactly how I feel too. We have to stamp down on hate speech because it tricks people into being comfortable with hate. Why not discriminate against the "dangerous and harmful" man that applied for a role when the "safe and strong" women could be hired instead. The reverse sexism happens too and is as equally harmful: Hiring a woman is a risk because "they love to make up allegations and sue". We're all just people trying to get by. We've just allowed far too much room for the misogynist…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:12 PM
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The goalposts have stayed exactly where they have been for generations; equality. Just here waiting for you to share the things that make you feel otherwise.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:08 PM
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I think the person you're replying to is saying that misandry is GENERALLY more socially allowed than misandry. That's why we see anti-misogyny laws being written in the UK rather than anti-misogyny and anti-misandry laws. I agree with the person you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:06 PM
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I've accused you of lying, if you have anything that shows feminism is based on women's issues solely it will be incredibly easy for you to prove me wrong. More repeated slogans isn't going to do it.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 04:57 PM
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Feminism is built upon the goal of equality. Anyone that argues for less equality, or in many current-day cases an anti-man sentiment, is not feminist. No amount of you repeating divisive bumper sticker slogans will change that. You're allowed to hate feminism as much as you want but you aren't going to lie your way into shutting me up.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 04:51 PM
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Yes, many bigoted non-feminists have existed since formation of the belief system. They are not the norm nor do their beliefs fit within feminism. The movement itself has simple goals that help everyone that is discriminated against. We shouldn’t reject that admirable and beneficial goal because some bad apples snuck into the feminism camp.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 04:15 PM
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Exactly! Misandrists wedged their way into feminist spaces and anti-feminists use that as ammo to hate feminism while disregarding the majority of feminists that want exactly what we all do. At the end of the day I understand the logic they use but it’s a self-serving belief these anti-fems have. We will all be less equipped to argue for equality if we keep making this an us vs them thing.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 04:13 PM
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No, that's an interpretation but not feminism. If someone is being anti-men, they are not being feminist. This isn't debatable. The fact that we allow non-feminists to claim they are is the problem, not feminism itself.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 02:49 PM
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Misandry is hatred, not some tool useful for change. People say these things because they want to excuse their hatred, not improve anyone's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:18 PM
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I get why you feel this way but no, Feminism is not about hatred of men. I'll be honest though, it's hard lately to not associate the two. I think that's the goal of the misandrists. Don't let misandrists claim to be feminists, explain to them that their hatred of men excludes them from feminism by definition.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 01:59 PM
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This is just the next theme for the gender wars. Keep track of what politicians, companies, and media companies do what and then politically or monetarily punish the ones that try to spread hate. It’s the same song and dance, but at least it seems like more people are speaking out. That means something is working, I hope.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/04/25 12:45 AM
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I will be sure to tell them all that nothing that you said in your comment made any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:01 PM
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None of this makes any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:43 PM
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It's a theory but it's going to be impossible to prove. Plus, in my experience there are enough crazies from each demo that neither need any help from the other side to be horrible.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/04/25 03:38 PM
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Why is it always the Nordic countries with the most aggressive bigotry? Kaisern: is it lack of diversity, education; what's your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:16 PM
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I bet Kaisern is a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:05 PM
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Notice everyone how Illustrious_Tea5271 doesn't care about protecting anyone, they simply want to be sure anyone that shares demographics with the type of criminals they want to focus on are punished. Bigots, in this case a misandrist, are horrible people that should be harmed anyway possible, within the limits of the rules of Reddit, of course.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 06:20 PM
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Why are so many great conversations had here but this level of argument isn't taken outside of this sub? The reason we see so much misandry is because we are too afraid to talk about it the way we would any other important topic. Stop being afraid to ruffle feathers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 06:08 PM
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all those top level decisions in our military are made by men This is absolutely untrue. Women represent a large portion of military leadership in the US, including the joint chiefs/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/thejointstaff/54355794942/
/r/MensRights08/03/25 12:48 PM
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My wife is my bar for an ideal woman, though a woman can be "high value" without being like my wife. Things that set her apart from most people I would date: She brings me much more emotional peace than anxiety; was able to live a full life as a single person, the same way I was; has her own friends; has her own libido; sets clear and firm boundaries with not only the world but also with me; she acknowledges the ways I better her life often and publicly; and she is willing to protect and honor o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:08 PM
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You're right. What does that have to do with your initial claim that men are not discriminated against? They have been for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:29 PM
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What about this makes you think discrimination against men doesn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:49 PM
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TermAggravating8043 is just going to "nuh uh" anything you say; they can't actually backup their beliefs. Watch their behavior and report anything they do that is against the rules; such as their low-effort replies here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:35 PM
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No, I've agreed that equal treatment and removing discrimination is the goal. Are you changing your main post to reflect that you are supporting the discrimination of men(and others) that you are now unable to deny?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:33 PM
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Your claim was that discrimination doesn't exist but now it's that discrimination exists because it should. You are breaking the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:28 PM
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You're again straw-manning the argument. The AAPs require men be hired at or below their level or representation within the hiring pool population; all other groups must be hired at or above their rate or representation. That is by definition discrimination. Had the AAPs required all demographics be represented roughly in line with their representation within the population pool, that would be equal opportunity for all, which ensures women and other minorities get a change, without discriminatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:22 PM
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No, the ratios required by the AAP is a quota, which is illegal. Please don’t straw man an argument I didn’t make. The policy was created to increase minority representation in the workforce, which is great. The method used to do it is illegal and wrong. We can and should increase access for all, not limit it to anyone. These policies required companies to discriminate against men(and others) and denied men(and others) the same legal recourse under the law. You claimed men are not discriminated …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:11 PM
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My first reply was removed because I linked to my other comment. Here is the text: Laws existed in the US for decades that discriminated against men. I will focus on two that worked in concert to deny men fair access to jobs and also from legal protections to pursue a claim against the discrimination. The AAPs required by Biden's Executive Order 13985 and Executive Order 13988 required government entities, contract companies, and subcontract companies base hiring on demographic makeup of the pop…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:50 PM
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Thanks, I’ll start the new comment chain. I’m pasting this in so people know who has asked for the debate, in case you block me or delete the post: https://www.reddit.com/user/TermAggravating8043/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:53 PM
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Great, I was hoping you’d choose that. I’ll be back online in a few hours. My argument will be around the AAP that was in place for a few decades in concert with the background circumstances required by the 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th circuit courts and the DC appellate court, for a majority group to bring a suit or for the OFCCP to act on behalf of a claimant. If you’d like to get started with out that’s where I’d recommend you start. I also suggest we make a new comment chain so others can more easily…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:16 PM
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It's because you didn't state a debate topic. There is a jumble of half-thoughts in your opening. I'm happy to get into any of it though. Would you like to debate men's likelihood or not of taking responsibility, divorce stats, or ways men have been discriminated against in the US system?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:22 PM
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Both bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:14 PM
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I wish people like you wouldn’t have chased so many away from the left. We may have won if Kamala would have shut down the bigots. Now we all get to suffer because you can’t get over whatever makes you hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 11:33 PM
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For you, the guys has to also be a misandrist, so you can harm him without him standing up for himself. I don't think anyone should take seriously the thoughts of someone that is a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:20 PM
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Did you try to date a guy and he said no? I know that can hurt someone's feelings. You'll get over it though, you're a big girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:19 PM
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Trying to change the topic from you hating men to me voting for Jill Stein; ok. Now, back to you being a bigot. What happened to you to make you have boys and men so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:55 PM
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Nurses and teachers are perfect examples. I can’t believe teachers didn’t come to my mind. They would probably have the largest effect of nearly any profession.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:53 PM
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Haha! You are such a bad troll. Are you pausing your misandry and switching to full on idiocy next?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:41 PM
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Yeah, no group is immune to having jerks within it. Thanks for the reasonable response!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:27 PM
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Nah, you desire to generalize people based on their demographics because you, like most bigots, care only about someone's identity. Men and women are great, bigots are the enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:12 PM
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What do you think you're replying to?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:18 PM
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Then fight bigotry on behalf of the men and women that suffer from the bigotry. It's not hard to hold everyone to the same standard. Just openly fight against misandry the same way you do misogyny. The same way so many of us already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:07 PM
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You keep talking like it's men and women fighting; it's not. Men and women are fighting bigots within each group. You just so happen to be one of the bigots, so you see it as an attack on women, when it's an attack on you. Anyone that cares about other people will always speak out against bigotry because there are those that can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:02 PM
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Men aren't victims when women choose to not date them. Men are victims when misandry is allowed in public spaces, policies are written in a way that limits men from equal participation in roles or equal protection under the law, and other similar events. Women are also victims. The difference is that we are comfortable acknowledging that, while for men many (like you) will argue intensely against the concept even existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:42 PM
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Because here you're getting replies where critical thought has been applied and not the automatic agreement you'd get there. You arguing in the comments is the motivation, but if you 're tough enough to not need that, then you're good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:39 PM
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I think the way the world would fall apart would be more subtle is all women stopped working, vs if all men did, but it would definitely happen. All the value provided by nurses alone would have a huge effect on anyone trying to get healthcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:38 PM
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Some tell all men they should be killed, it's not women though, it's bigots and misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:36 PM
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Cite sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:35 PM
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You’re right, I mistook what you said before as saying the opposite. Thanks for helping me understand!
/r/MensRights18/02/25 10:05 PM
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Those statements about Kamala were bigoted and wrong. Before we dig into any examples, are you comfortable giving the same clear denouncement of any misandry we expose?
/r/MensRights18/02/25 09:51 PM
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Keep fighting but try to remember women aren’t the ones saying misandristic things, bigots are. Make your arguments anti-bigot and it makes them very hard to argue against.
/r/MensRights18/02/25 09:49 PM
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Argue with people that post things that are bigoted. You may not change the mind of the bigot but if you argue your points well you may change the mind of someone that reads what you say. You’re owed the same protection from society as anyone else. Anyone that tried to deny you of that should be treated the same way as you would anyone that tried to deny you your rights.
/r/MensRights18/02/25 09:48 PM
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Great point! The emotional harm and social disconnect caused when people say that misogyny kills and misandry hurts men’s feelings, is the goal. They want to make online spaces, Reddit most-so, uncomfortable for men. That’s why the content rules name and exemplify the groups they do(and exclude the group it does). Edit: so many spelling errors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:32 PM
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Exactly! I’m glad we’re on the same page. Your pedophilia disqualifies you from most of what society does. What worry about is people that have false allegations against them. Those are just words and since we know people lie to harm others all the time, we need to be sure we only punish the actually bad. In this example it would be the pedo and the liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:48 PM
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And people don’t have to date you, https://www.reddit.com/user/leosandlattes/. We have no way to know it it’s because you’ve been accused of rape or because of the accusations of you touching children under your care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:33 PM
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This is misandry; not enough of us call it outs so it keeps going. We’re far too invested in internet points and not invested enough in standing up for ourselves and the other men that can’t do it for themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 05:30 PM
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Yeah, you’re right. Howard Zinn does a great job of explaining this in his books.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 06:59 PM
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Yeah, like the 18 year old high school graduate that isn’t going to college didn’t do anyone any harm just by existing. He needs to be given the same opportunity as everyone else; not denied it because he looks like people that did bad before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 06:21 PM
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I won’t vote Dem again until they fix the level of hatred they allow to spread within the ranks. I’m done voting for policies that are against my best interest while at the same time being shamed and excluded because of my demographics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 02:33 PM
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Ok, so when you negatively generalize men, do you sounds more like the first group or the second? Are you shaming men for behavior only some do(first), or are you saying that men have distinct challenges they face which should be talked about(second)?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:23 PM
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Ope, you had it then you lost it. Let’s try again. The anger you feel for individuals that upset or harm you is legit. Do you think the people you see generalizing women are doing a good thing or a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:15 PM
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Don’t get distracted; we’re talking about you and your misandry. See how you keep generalizing all men for behavior you have in your imagination? That means you have hatred for men which you need to address.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:06 PM
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You didn’t do that, which is why you’re being called out in your bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:01 PM
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Again, nothing here has anything to do with men’s rights. Do you always say so much to do so little?
/r/MensRights12/02/25 07:25 PM
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Great, now go dismantle then. I’d say though that this will instead end up with a few dozen people focused on whether or not women are somehow a problem, which serves no point.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 07:19 PM
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What about this has anything to do with men’s rights? This sub is getting pretty whiney and unfocused.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 07:10 PM
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You whining about your life online isn’t an argument; it’s you needing a buddy to talk to. I’m sorry if no one in your real life wants to help you; maybe it’s because of your misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:57 PM
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You’re right, I should have clarified a little more. It’s a lot harder to get specific text now that Trump took everything down and that’s gotten me irate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:26 PM
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Do you need a lot of help learning new things? Use some critical thinking and a little effort; you’ll get there!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:17 PM
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You’re a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:08 PM
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You asked for an example and I gave you an easily findable one that affected millions of men. If that much social harm isn’t enough for you to use Google, I’m not sure how much value you think you bring to social conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:55 PM
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You being so unclear in your messaging is exactly why we should be discussing this. By making generalizations without factual support you’re putting me in a position to need to argue every point that hasn’t been proven. If you were to summarize your thoughts without adding so much conjecture then we could get somewhere. Otherwise you’re just talking to yourself about your own imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:54 PM
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The recently removed US AAP required all governmental agencies, contractors, and subcontractor-companies to hire non-men or be subject to fines and penalties. The page has been taken down but you can find quite a few lawyer-group pages about it if you google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:41 PM
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You imply it by stating women have a need to fear men because men are dangerous. None of that has anything to do with an individual man nor is there anything an individual man can do about either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:37 PM
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The things you’re saying make no sense and you’re the one making them up. Are the actions subconscious or decisions made purposely to increase safety; you claim both but they are mutually exclusive. https://www.reddit.com/user/KayRay1994/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:26 PM
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Oops, it looks like I can’t share the link to your comment. Reread your latest comment above mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:19 PM
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So much of this is make believe it’s hard to know if any of it is worth responding to. Can you make a clear point that explains why you believe individual men deserve social pressure because of the actions of other men they don’t know?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:11 PM
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I've had the same thing happen. It used to be a much worse-moderated sub, now it's fairly benign. It's really hard to shake the feeling that the misandry wants to bubble up but I worry that's my own hyper-vigilance rearing it's ugly head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:36 PM
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I recommend you not view feminists as enemies, because they’re not. There are many that are fighting for the same equality we are. Make enemies of those that fight against you and rally those that agree.
/r/MensRights07/02/25 02:42 PM
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You're a very good boy!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:25 PM
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Me too!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:44 PM
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Yes is does. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:20 PM
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Don’t argue with alwaysright0; they’re a known bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:13 PM
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I can’t take you seriously because you don’t argue with anything other than feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:14 PM
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You haven’t said anything debatable yet though. Claiming men are bad isn’t something based on anything. Do you have a different statement we can start with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 01:37 PM
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Sad that you don’t have an actual argument against my nuh uh. You are out of make believe to try to dump on us? Maybe you had a chance to reflect on your bigotry, though based on your history I’d say it’s not that. I promise, life gets better if you stop being a horrible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 11:42 PM
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What retort is there to an opinion that’s so obviously untrue and based on nothing but prejudice? Nuh uh, may suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 11:27 PM
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Post where you want. If you get banned call out the sub here so we can all be sure to behave accordingly. Don’t let fake internet points or access to echo chambers convince you that standing up for yourself isn’t allowed.
/r/MensRights24/01/25 05:15 PM
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Yeah, that’s why it’s so important to keep bigoted language out of laws and policies. If we don’t allow the mechanisms to exist we will inherently reduce discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:19 PM
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Great, so we agree that women are able to succeed in their own without gendered policies. Everyone will have a fair and equal shot and the best people will land in the right roles. I’m glad we came to an agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:14 PM
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Women have been doing better because of the policies I’ve explained. It was a good thing but now things have more than reversed and these gendered policies are harming more people than they’re helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:09 PM
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Well, if it were simply qualifications women would have roughly 47% enrollment, based on standardized test scores. We’ll end up with different expected ratios based on different qualifiers we may choose. What makes you think the gendered policies, protections, and financial assistance rates are not contributing to women’s over representation in post-secondary education?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:05 PM
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Clarify which point you worry I missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:55 PM
1

You’re right about the original mechanism but that no longer applies because of the aforementioned 2/3 enrollment rate. What argument do you have for continued discrimination built into the enforcement of Title IX?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:51 PM
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I’ve read it. 56% means both are nearly equally “on fire”. I’m just trying to understand your argument for gendered fixes to general problems, when the data shows all people are suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:47 PM
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I’m fine to have this discussion if you can point to a societal difference where one group is “on fire” and the other is not. I don’t want to try to assume what you mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:44 PM
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I’ve shown the ratio and explained the mechanisms behind the discrimination. You choosing not to reply with anything substantive isn’t anything I need to work around. People now get to see how I explained why what I know to be true is and then see you say nothing. I’m happy with this result.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:35 PM
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I’m not going to argue with you as you try to defend bigotry. Treat people equally or be called out. It’s a fairly easy system.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:31 PM
0

I’ve answered this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:21 PM
1

I agree with you in specifics but the generalized solution solves the same issue without creating the need for an “all lives matter” argument. Why include discrimination at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:13 PM
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Title IX prohibits discrimination based on sex, which helps everyone. However the legal avenues for each sex to request enforcement of Title IX is not the same. By policy a women need only claim discrimination for an investigation to be deemed as warranted while a man must prove sex was the defining characteristic that led to their discrimination, before an investigation is allowed to begin. Removing the gendered aspect of enforcement seems to be the only way to create a leveled playing field; a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:11 PM
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For three generations there have been laws in place to counter what you’re describing. The result is 2/3 of people that are getting degrees that qualify them for the highest-earning jobs, are women. The correction has been made. It’s time to treat everyone fairly based on their needs, not their genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:58 PM
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Why not just make these women-only statements generally? No one should be tied to anyone else because they’ve had sex. Childcare is too expensive and is unobtainable for most parents. Centering of one group at the detriment to another is the core problem. Help people that need help, regardless of what they look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:55 PM
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One core difference exists though, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison: being part of a religion, and being associated with it, is a choice. Your callout it a great reminder that it’s very easy to generalize and end up doing the thing we want bigots to stop doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 02:12 PM
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I don’t necessarily want to argue. Do you honestly want to understand misandry? Happy cake day.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/01/25 03:42 AM
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I like this. I’ll be focusing on growing the tent. We’re going to have a lot of potential new allies over the next few weeks because of fractures forming. Even the last 2 days I’ve seen a big increase in followers here and on Twitter it’s been insane.
/r/MensRights23/01/25 11:58 PM
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People forget; we aren't debating to convince the person that disagrees with us. We debate to show people that are in the middle that the misandrists exist, are unknowledgeable, and ill-equipped to have even a first-level conversation. This list of questions is so obviously in bad-faith that it serves our purpose without any engagement, so why would anyone try to argue against that?
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 06:27 PM
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People forget; we aren't debating to convince the person that disagrees with us. We debate to show people that are in the middle that the misandrists exist, are unknowledgeable, and ill-equipped to have even a first-level conversation. This list of questions is so obviously in bad-faith that it serves our purpose without any engagement, so why would anyone try to argue against that?
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 06:27 PM
1

I’m missing your actual point. What is your action plan if not to build a coalition to vote in policy?
/r/MensRights23/01/25 03:32 AM
0

Cool. What do we gain by pushing away people that agree with us? We gain nothing from being assholes.
/r/MensRights23/01/25 02:29 AM
1

From searching your username it seems like you also have a few allegations against you to go along with your sexism and racism. Touching children inappropriately is a bad thing @cauliflowerElegant76
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:35 PM
1

How funny. Do you make racist jokes too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:28 PM
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Those aren’t Feminist arguments, they’re the arguments of non-feminists. Feminism is at its core an ideology that aims for equality. Anyone saying anything that isn’t aimed at equality isn’t a Feminist and we should all be comfortable saying that. For an analogy let’s think of a house. A house requires at least as many walls, floors, and roofs as necessary to enclose a physical space. If a single side to our enclosure is missing, it’s not a house, no matter how many people (or the fake-house its…
/r/MensRights22/01/25 07:43 PM
0

Which part of the article upset you? What of this person’s words didn’t make sense? I really hope you have answers because you wouldn’t want bigotry to be the reason you don’t like it, right?
/r/MensRights22/01/25 02:40 PM
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You know, when our sub has a hundredth of the membership that some of those that hate us do, I’ll consider turning away allies. Until then I’m going to be worrying more about what someone has to say. I suggest you do the same.
/r/MensRights22/01/25 05:03 AM
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Yeah, I believe that at the end of the day hate speech is hate speech and shouldn’t be tolerated. Since Reddit, and most institutions, don’t care about protecting men from misandry it’s on us to be aggressive about doing it ourselves: Make a lot of noise shouting down bigots, call out misandry by name while tagging the person that said it(so when they delete their comment you’ll still know who to focus on), and make this whole site less comfortable for people that hate us.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 11:29 PM
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I know what you mean. It’s really hard to trust that people could actually be writing something supportive when all we’re used to is being shamed. That’s one of the reasons this stood out to me. It is one of the very rare news articles Google returns when you search for “misandry” that isn’t denying it even exists.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 11:19 PM
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Not really, it’s literally in the text. I don’t mean to be pointed at you but let’s not misconstrue what it says. Edit with text: “ It’s hard for me to tell how “radical” this opinion even is anymore. I have known a lot of people (especially trans people) who think that “men are the oppressors” is fundamental to all feminism rather than a specific strain of radicalism that conflicts with later theories of intersectionality. So like, who knows what the fuck “feminism” means to any given person an…
/r/MensRights21/01/25 11:14 PM
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I think what the author is saying is that Feminism is accepting of him, individuals that claim to be Feminists don’t. He goes on to talk about how it used to be radical feminists that would claim men were the cause of all of women’s issues but now it may be Feminism as a whole, since that is where the movement has gone.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 11:09 PM
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Yeah, her book and the expose done about her work did a lot of good but they've been disregarded because they don't tell the story most people want to hear. This article speaks in a similar tone, which is why I thought it was valuable enough to share here.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 07:54 PM
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Yep, keep going. It's gets into a lot of depth about the way misandry is used to try to shunt our speech and arguments. Very good read for people that fight against misandry in online spaces like Reddit.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 07:33 PM
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I agree; some people hate men so much they’ll never listen to us. If it takes a cohort of all types of people to shine light on misandry, it’s still better than the alternative.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 07:04 PM
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I’m glad to see folks in the comments calling out the misandry. I wish it were louder and more ferocious though. Men are shit on because we don’t make enough noise when it happens. Anyone saying bigoted things should be inundated with people correcting their mistaken beliefs.
/r/MensRights20/01/25 11:46 PM
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As long as u/spez leads Reddit there will be allowed misandry. I really with Reddit’s board meetings were publicly shared so we could all go show Spez how strongly we feel about the hate that the policies that are in place are causing.
/r/MensRights20/01/25 08:56 PM
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Like you said; Feminism is diverse. There are people that identify as feminists that hate men and celebrate any harm caused to men. There are plenty of others that fight against that bigotry. People that exhibit bigotry should be called out and shamed as much as possible.
/r/MensRights14/01/25 05:51 PM
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The study doesn’t go into that, so we really can’t say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 12:17 PM
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Great question! Those rates (female students: 76.3% and 70.6%(we'll call cohort A)) and (female students: 77.2% and 72.1% (cohort B)) are the likelihood of respondents to report asking for verbal consent before engaging in sex, Cohort A represents female respondents that have EVER had sex. Cohort B represent females that are CURRENTLY having sex (within 3 months in this study).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 07:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:41 PM
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I was into this until I read how many thoughts you weren’t going to allow to be discussed. Just list all the opinions you demand your members have here so they don’t learn it by getting banned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 10:39 PM
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Only the bar owners have the ability to have discounts for different demographics. How do you foresee men practicing this equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:49 PM
1

So are you and now so am I.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:52 PM
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This is it exactly. We have policies in place right now that have discrimination based on protected class, written into them. The fact that the left is the ones doing it doesn't make it ok in my book. We all deserve the same legal protections from the society we live in. I can't vote for a party that disagrees, no matter how much I support their other ideals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 05:49 PM
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I’m going to reply to your headline and not all the rhetoric you spout in the body of your post. Be on the looking for money-chasing behavior. If it seems like the women you’re dating is using you for any type of value-add; stop seeing her immediately. You’re not a potential partner, you’re a potential income. Avoid junk-repliers. If you ask a question and they answer without asking a follow up or offering depth in their reply, call it out or just stop replying. Someone that invests practically …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 06:34 PM
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The OP posed this; that's what they're doing. What are you doing to support those that call out the differences in the way people are treated? What would motivate someone to want to argue against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:31 PM
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No they aren't. Are al of your comments lies or is this one unique?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:30 PM
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You and she are both not only wrong but also both very comfortable generalizing people based on their race. We will end the conversation here; that behavior is unacceptable. Have a great day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 12:25 AM
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We can agree to disagree. To me someone hitting the mark when they speak about one thing doesn’t give them the authority to, or mitigate the damage when, they generalize a people in a harmful way. What is the upside to her inaccurate language?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 12:22 AM
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She is equipped with the same, or better, vocabulary than most of us. If she doesn’t delineate between a race and those within in that exhibit unwanted behavior, it is by choice and by design. Racist and sexist woman that hasn’t been called out nearly enough. Edit: typo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 12:16 AM
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“…And more often than not sex simply does not deliver the goods. This fact does not lead men to cease obsessing about sex; it intensifies their lust and their longing.” This speaks to an inherent state of being; an obsession for sex. You may have a different interpretation but nothing in this at all supports your reasoning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 12:14 AM
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What shorthand are you comfortable people using when generalizing your race? I’m very uncomfortable with anyone doing it, so why would I leave space for it to happen here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 12:11 AM
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This is a good one for sexism. Men are emotionless sex-seekers: “Men come to sex hoping that it will provide them with all of the emotional satisfaction that would have come from love. Most men think that sex will provide them with a sense of being alive, connected, that sex will offer closeness, intimacy, pleasure. And more often than not sex simply does not deliver the goods. This fact does not lead men to cease obsessing about sex; it intensifies their lust and their longing.” This one exempl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:53 PM
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Gloria Jean Watkins (bell hooks) is a horrible racist and sexist. I wouldn't build any type of foundational concepts on her or her work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 08:23 PM
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My purpose in life has never depended on my sex, so 0%.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 08:18 PM
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Very nice compilation, thank you!
/r/MensRights09/12/24 08:09 PM
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This is fascinating. I wish there were more data I could see though. Do you know if they've shared the numbers behind these grphics?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 09:20 PM
1

I'm going to ask you two questions that I hope you take the time to look into: Who controls what candidates' names are printed on the ballots? Who appoints those that control what candidates' names are printed on the ballots?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 04:19 PM
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Hi!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:05 AM
2

More spam
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:38 PM
1

You were asked to clarify your post, didn't, but then chose to reply about a comment. You clearly don't want to have a discussion, just throw out little slogans.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:23 PM
1

More spam from MongoBobalossus
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:07 PM
2

Ok, done. What part of that applied to the comment you replied to?
/r/MensRights02/12/24 06:46 PM
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MongoBobalossus is a bot acct. Report for spam.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:45 PM
2

What part of this wiki do you mean to reference? Is there a reason you don't cite anything specific?
/r/MensRights02/12/24 06:42 PM
1

Why do you keep commenting nonsense? Are you a bot account?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:37 PM
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I can't speak to the UKs statistics, only the US. In the US it is true; here is the peer-reviewed data: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:16 PM
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Men are more violent, unless you're talking about in-relationship. In intimate partner relationships women initiate 70% of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:15 PM
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Surveys are hard data. They are how we get most of our understanding in any of the humanity subjects. Men under-report IPV and police detain and arrest men by default in domestic situations. These combine to make crime reports a secondary measure, not the primary, when talking about IPV.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:25 PM
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We know that more women begin physical altercations than their men partners do but when men retaliate the women are most likely to be hurt. People should not hit one another, regardless of their sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:51 AM
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Can you think of a reason that the crime statistics report higher male-violence when the self-reported data shows women initiate 70% of IPV?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:01 PM
1

Why is it when people cite a statistic like u/Hjelmert did with "and like 50% of their abusers were male"; they always seem to be incorrect. It's almost like groups of people go out of their way to lie to make these conversations more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:50 PM
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u/Hjelmert is making up statistics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:48 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:44 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:43 PM
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Can you share anything that led to your beliefs here? They don't seem to match reality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:31 PM
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I cannot disagree with statements like this loudly enough. Feminists are not our enemies; Misandrists are our enemies. Many Feminists really are aiming for equal rights. The fact that they are no more successful at expelling the hate in their movement than we are in ours, isn't excuse enough for me to throw away the valuable relationships I have with them.
/r/MensRights20/11/24 07:28 PM
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You're banking on these misandrists arguing with you in good faith. They don't and won't do that. These people are misandrist and I think that's how they they need to be labeled.
/r/MensRights12/11/24 07:07 PM
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I understand what you're saying but this is a needless change that will serve no goal, unless you have some insight the rest of us don't see.
/r/MensRights12/11/24 06:32 PM
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Sorry, I’m having a really hard time following you.
/r/MensRights12/11/24 03:19 AM
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What isn’t? Very few people have actual authentic over you, if you’re an adult. It definitely feels like more though. I don’t know what this means.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 10:49 PM
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Using social pressure to make people behave ways they don't want to via emotions, exclusion, or dehumanization, is an example of toxic femininity. Name it, call it out, and shame the individuals you see using these tactics; they aren't going to stop but you can show that their tactics won't work on you. They hate that.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 09:41 PM
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The man v bear debate is the same as the "Your body...my choice" rhetoric. Both are designed to be snarky and inflammatory slogans with no actual point. If you want to argue with people and be emotionally jerked off by a bunch of trolls; go to town. You aren't going to have any effect on policy or the larger political conversation though. Early-Possibility367 is one of those that prefer ineffectual jerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:12 PM
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Always name the people contributing to the hate: —Sangdeboeuf May or may not be related to other online accounts using the same name: https://www.instagram.com/sangdeboeuf/
/r/EverydayMisandry11/11/24 03:43 PM
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You wrote a lot but it’s well thought out. I’m glad that you have such resilience. I’d ask that you keep in mind that many other men don’t have the same level of mental fortitude. I’ll be speaking out when I hear general attacks against “white men”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 11:16 PM
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Really solid breakdown; thank you for writing this up!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 10:03 PM
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Excluding men from protective policies, grants, and government funding have been the most damaging misandric things they've done. They're pretty good about not using openly hateful language; it really depends on where we set the bar. Is there a misogynistic quote you think we can use as the baseline, to find misandric quotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:10 PM
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You're very bad at debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:52 PM
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This is a great point and is completely true. Those comments are gross and crass. They don't however usually generalize women, they more try to illicit responses from the individual woman posting. This is a great example of individual vs systemic issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:43 PM
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Yes to all of this! We also need to sue anytime there are damages caused by sex-based discrimination. When the bottom line starts to fall, that's when people that write policy take note.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 07:56 PM
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Women are also supposed to have power. Anyone stating that they aren't is wrong and will be ineffective.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 07:54 PM
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We aren't trying to convince misandrists, we are going to pressure governments and companies to enforce their protections across the board, not just for women. Sex-neutral laws and policies that cover everyone are my goal.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 07:54 PM
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Who are you having discourse with and how is it creating greater equality, if not Feminists? I get what you're saying but it's not a real-world answer. Feminism is mainstream; take advantage of that fact. You wanting to try to replace that in the public sentiment is going to harm the cause more than help it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 05:26 PM
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I want the support of Feminists because they and we have the same goals. I won't throw that goodwill away to argue about the different groups that want to pervert the goal of the movement. People that want inequality are not Feminists the way women-haters are not LWMA (or whatever other title we all chose to use). The hateful are the ones we need to denigrate, not the Feminism movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 02:38 PM
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Absolutely. It's an easy litmus test. Just ask anyone claiming to be a Feminist if they support women or if they support equality. Anyone that gives support based on gender/sex isn't a Feminist and you should aggressively and publicly push back on their use of the label.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 06:26 PM
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Femininism is just a label; anyone can misuse it. I speak with many feminists that agree with us and I’m not willing to risk their support by over-generalizing. People that hate men are wrong; they aren’t Feminists by definition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 03:20 PM
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Can we just admit the truth that women and money is like oil and water? They don't mix. It's almost as if God put a curse on women lol. No, u/Islanderwithwings; we will not "admit" that women and money do not mix. Your view is ridiculous; generalizing language shows bigotry and has no place.
/r/MensRights07/10/24 03:43 PM
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Great, thank you, your effort and acknowledgement helps all of us. Hopefully more and more Feminists start to practice this version of equal support. Excluding the hateful/misguided people from the Feminist and MRA communities will show how most of our goals support one another.
/r/MensRights27/09/24 05:24 PM
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It's good your version of Feminism aims to advocate for everyone. Can you tell us which issues the men's rights movement fights for that you, and the other Feminists you align with, are most supportive of?
/r/MensRights27/09/24 04:25 PM
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https://youtu.be/4lNnGkEQ8KY?si=hlNi8t-lTrZZj6_y Begins at the 0:39 mark.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/24 03:58 PM
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