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The if/else thing is bad if you believe it will guarantee you a relationship. It is good if you regard it as self-improvement advice, i. e. something that increases your probability of success.
/r/ExRedPill27/01/24 12:59 PM
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Redpill is essentially a few bits of good advice mixed in with a huge load of garbage. Like other cult leaders, redpill gurus use the few bits of good advice to lure people in, and then those lured in become amenable to the garbage.
/r/ExRedPill17/01/24 04:41 PM
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It was always mainstream. If you go through the old 'lads' mags' of yore (FHM, Maxim, Loaded, etc.), the 'advice' they used to give was very similar to elements of the redpill, complete with highly dubious adverts for supplements. The only difference was that the misogyny was much less overt, and that was because publishing is something with stricter restrictions than the Internet.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/24 03:30 PM
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The main motivation for joining frats and sororities is networking. These groups are very expensive to join and so they only allow the kids of the rich and powerful to enter. By joining them, you gain access to other rich and powerful people.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 08:58 PM
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Party colleges are basically colleges whose primary purpose is not education but instead is to act as a sort of finishing school for the children of elite families.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 08:56 PM
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Is this a western thing? Yes. Or more specifically, an American thing. Even more specifically, it is largely restricted to certain (in)famous 'party colleges'. Even more specifically, it is restricted to certain groups of students, i. e. fraternity and sorority members. Within these circles, regular alcohol- and cocaine-fuelled orgies and other acts of solemn worship seem to be par for the course.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 08:07 PM
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Redpillers and blackpillers' rage is based on the fact that these repulsive men still find plenty of romantic and sexual success, while they don't. Of course, in their minds they view themselves as Nice™ guys, so the perceived injustice is very grating to them. Honestly, this is one of the few situations where they definitely do ask a very valid question. The answer is that in the dating world, a 'good' personality has very little to do with moral goodness, and conversely, a 'bad' personality ha…
/r/ExRedPill04/12/23 11:03 PM
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Frankly, the video is garbage, because it is based on the utterly incorrect premise that the redpill claims about women are basically correct, and that the only difference is that the women's actual preferences might be slightly lower than their stated ones. It fails to acknowledge that the entire business model of these redpill podcasters is a gift, where they deliberately bring in exactly the kind of women who will give the kind of answers their audience wants to hear to get riled up about. In…
/r/ExRedPill04/12/23 07:09 AM
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Follow Alexander on twitter as well as his website and his YouTube channel. Also follow Nuance Enjoyer and his website. These two people are literally the only ones doing the actual work needed to debunk redpill and incel claims with actual statistical data. Both of them are amazing. I'd highly recommend them both.
/r/ExRedPill29/11/23 11:41 AM
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What the hell do you bring to the table Nothing. But then we're not crying about men not wanting to date us, unlike the men here. We're happily living our lives exactly like this guy while being blissfully single. Men should also learn to be happy living the life of this man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 11:59 AM
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I can’t help but think being average and nothing special doesn’t cut it in life anymore Yes. Don't be like this guy. This might've been enough 50 years ago, but it no longer is. For us women, there's nothing remotely pleasurable in spending time with a man like this, because we can easily do all of this alone. Keep in mind that this man's problem is not his gonial angle or eye shape, but simply the fact that he is leading such an incredibly empty life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 11:29 AM
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It's not offensive. It's just pathetically wrong. There is an enormous amount of statistical data on marriages and relationships, because the topic is of immense interest to sociologists, economists, doctors, government bureaucrats, marketers and many, many others. And contrary to manospherian delusions, none of it shows anything like the Pareto principle being in action when it comes to relationship formation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:37 AM
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I'm quite sure you weren't measuring them with a measuring tape, so your own claims are very suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 04:51 PM
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I think they get these beliefs from the Dumb Sitcom Dad trope. This is a unique case of a trope that is simultaneously both misogynistic and misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:17 PM
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So, just the inevitable results of blind dating? People try, don't like where things are going, and quickly move on. I agree with you on that it gets very boring very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:14 PM
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And you think golden retriever boys are the most popular ones? Yes. Of course, you must keep in mind that 'golden retriever boy'≠'nice guy'. Should I take 5 showers a day? You don't seem like the kind of guy to take 5 showers in a year, so this might actually do you some good. Women sense that I write politically incorrect comments online? Blackpillers aren't generally the smartest bunch. You guys easily let your mask slip.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:56 PM
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Was he an Indian janitor He was an Indian, yes. As if that's supposed to matter. He was no janitor, but his father was. He himself was valedictorian and a competitive powerlifter and later went on to study medicine. He's now a highly-regarded pediatric neurosurgeon. fucked multiple models He is married to an actress, yes. As if that counts. One of the reasons he was so popular was that he never used the kind of language which you just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:32 PM
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We want men who don't sexually harass us. Apparently that's too much to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:03 AM
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women can easily get a partner whenever they want. We don't. What we do get however is a lot of sex pests pestering and sometimes threatening us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:20 AM
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a man who squeezed by arm so hard his fingerprints left bruises and he slammed me into my truck, and the side mirror broke in the altercation. I’ve been screamed at, followed to my car, and spit at. I'm so sorry to hear that. I now realize that I've been exceedingly fortunate in never having suffered through things like this from these PUA scum. Once again, I'm just feeling so sad after reading your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:07 PM
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I just wish more women would rudely reject this kind of nonsense so that it would finally be clear that propositioning random people going about their business is not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:41 PM
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Women are the weaker sex physically and mentally Women aren't overwhelmingly the ones crying here over not having partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:11 PM
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No shortage of fools in the world. Never was, isn't and never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:06 PM
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For non-psychopaths, confidence is a strong sign of competence, which is why it is attractive. All human beings like to be with competent people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:36 PM
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Radical feminists are almost certainly not a majority online. They've always been a group that is tiny in number. So I find it very unlikely that these idiot men are randomly coming across radical feminists online, unless they're specifically searching for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:34 PM
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Lol. It is better to date on the basis of astrology than to read nonsense like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:31 PM
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lowkey overweight One good thing about the 1950s was that this was not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:29 PM
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"when his voice breaks" ick "when he uses those emoji" ick "when the waiter ignores him" ick "when he giggles with a high pitch" ick "when he crosses his legs wile sitting" ick May I very kindly know where exactly did you see these events happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:17 PM
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86% of American women are mothers by the age of 45. So I don't know what bullcrap you're spouting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:47 AM
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Of course. Boring people aren't just bad romantic partners. They're also bad friends, colleagues and companions in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:54 PM
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It's not 'nerdy' women. It's porn. The only women most manospherians see are those in porn. That's where all their archetypes come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:50 PM
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Just like women are subconsciously attracted to tall, powerfully built men without knowing it, men are subconsciously attracted to women with large breasts, buttocks and wide hips without knowing it. You claim you don't care, but you subconsciously do, just like the women who claim they don't care about height subconsciously do. It is just biology in action. Both men and women are evolutionarily hardwired to seek certain traits in their partners. No amount of attempted social conditioning will c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:08 AM
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Why are you so weak as to allow yourself to fall over because of a single experience with a narcissist?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:47 AM
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Your understanding is defective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:32 AM
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By definition, there's no one (except blind people), man or woman, who cannot care at all about the height of both men and women. If you have functioning eyes, it'll obviously be one of the first things that anyone will notice, just like body shape, skin color, hair color, face shape and clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:56 AM
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where numerous women were openly shutting down men Some even would literally tell those guys to go KILL themselves if they don't like this system. May I kindly know where did you see this? More and more guys are being bullied online just for talking about their feelings. What feelings were these men sharing? I can make a very good guess, but please tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:49 AM
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0%. But almost all of us see it as one of many factors. In other words, you can compensate for it through various means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:45 AM
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Maybe she is just a serial dater addicted to attention from thirsty, desperate men. Do you have her name and photograph? You could ask about her amongst your male friends if they've been tricked in a similar manner. You're almost certainly not the first person she's done this to. Then, you can also tell other men to avoid her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:40 AM
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What did you lose? Nothing much except the cost of a cheap meal. What did you gain? You dodged a bullet. Would it have been better if she'd kept up the charade into the fourth or fifth date? You also learned how to recognize this kind of scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:36 AM
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Most probably, she just wanted a free meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:35 AM
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Their laziness is the biggest problem. The height is a smaller one on top of it. Understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:42 AM
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I said fertility rates are declining everywhere. Just because they are above replacement in certain areas today doesn't mean they will stay that way. And many developing countries like Iran, Thailand, Tunisia, Bangladesh and Vietnam also have sub-replacement fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:42 AM
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Oh, I am not denying that height matters. What I'm saying is that the bunch here grossly exaggerates the extent to which it does. One of the shortest boys in my class was also one of the most popular. This woe-is-me inceldom is not something I've ever seen outside of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 04:47 AM
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all the other developed nations Not just all the other developed nations, but all other nations, period. Fertility rates are rapidly declining everywhere. There's no country where they're steady or increasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:40 AM
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After all, they have to blame something other than their own laziness, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:38 AM
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It is universal. That said, no one is as obsessed with it as the manospherians are. Most women generally just want someone slightly taller. It is only the manosphere where this obsession with six feet exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:37 AM
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I think the problem of dating apps being full of couples looking for a third partner for a threesome are rather infamous at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:05 AM
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Again have you been in a relationship before? Yes. Have broken up with someone? Not really broken up, but just drifted apart after we went off to colleges on opposite ends of the country. If so why did you? As I've said before, we just drifted apart after we were no longer living together. Then we decided to mutually end it. We're still friends to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:06 PM
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There's a difference between 'having everything perfectly figured out' and dating a man who literally can't be bothered to clean his house before inviting his date over.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:36 PM
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If he does so privately, doesn't let it affect our daily life, never talks to me about it, and his sexual performance is not impacted by it, I don't think there is any point of asking him to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:13 PM
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Don't date drug addicts. Because relationships almost never 'develop' in the way you're thinking. People entrenched in their bad habits at the start of a relationship generally don't change. It is not your job to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:11 PM
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I would never move in with such a man. Period. Men who keep their surroundings filthy are not suitable for relationships. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:09 PM
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If he openly does so and did so before the relationship started, and the woman didn't care for it at the time, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:21 PM
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If you do this and change your mind about his habits months or maybe even years down the line and communicate this are you controlling like Jonah Hill? Yes. If the man was absolutely clear that he did these things when the woman met him, then asking him to change is a bad look.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 09:04 AM
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I love how the manosphere has distorted the meaning of a term coined to translate the Sanskrit word anuloma used to refer to cross-caste marriages into something utterly bizarre and nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:35 AM
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He literally started his relationship by sending her one of her modeling pics in her DMs, lol. He knew what he was getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:15 PM
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Not necessarily. And in such cases, the friend who feels he/she is being used should make his/her feelings clear and break it off if the other party doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:13 PM
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'Friendzone' is simply a new name for unrequited love, which is something that has existed for as long as human beings have. It is lamented upon in virtually all the great literature of the past, in almost all of the world's languages. It has never been something easy or painless to handle. It's just that in our modern era of entitlement, most people here fail to realize that just because you fell for someone, the other person is not obligated to fall for you. This goes for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:19 PM
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Female fanfiiction platforms are way less active and have way less users that porn websites (that primariy have a male audience) by order of magnitudes. I wouldn't be too sure of that. And a lot of women are also watching porn. One can even see it on Reddit Reddit is a male-dominated platform.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/23 09:29 PM
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If MGTOWs were actually GTOWing, it wouldn't be a problem at all. Men have full rights to lead a life of celibacy. The problem is that MGTOWs are not actually GTOW, but simply as obsessed with women as before. They are very similar to the child free community in that manner.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/23 09:27 PM
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A huge problem for men who lack self-discipline. Otherwise, it is something absolutely essential for preserving the human race.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/23 09:25 PM
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"society" "Society" for redpillers is 80s and 90s teen sex comedies like Porky's, American Pie and Revenge of the Nerds, along with whatever nonsense Seth Rogen puts out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 09:08 PM
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I agree with that. I'll try to find the data analyzing this type of relationship and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 09:01 PM
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But that is being counterbalanced by the rise in cohabitation, which is essentially marriage without a piece of paper from the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 08:55 PM
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gym memberships have doubled since 2000. Since that time, obesity rates have also increased from 30.5% to 41.3% in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 08:38 PM
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there were supposedly 13 men reporting exactly 22 sex partners in the 18-30 age bracket while none reported 20 nor 21 partners. In fact none of the (weighted) 18-30 year olds surveyed reported having 17, 18, 19, 20, nor 21 partners (and two reported 23, none 24, and one reported 25). Oh, yes. This is not something I'd noticed. This is almost certainly a single weighted respondent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:42 PM
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You need to explain a shift over time. Age of first sexual experience and age of first marriage for both men and women has been steadily increasing over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:29 PM
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drug dealers, athletes, jocks, guys in bands, skaters, e-boys, party animals, etc. The only women you know are those in teen comedies, and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:20 PM
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being misogynistic has never Never say never.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:43 PM
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Low testosterone is a common complaint Frankly, the 'low testosterone' thing is largely a myth. I’m surprised at the number of adults in suburban or rural areas who refuse to drive. Part of the rise of a culture of low responsibility and helicopter parenting infecting the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:40 PM
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cult For the same reason why the members of other cults stay on for so long. No one wants to admit they were duped. It is too psychologically painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:30 PM
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“Have you ever talked to a woman?” You should, because I don't think you have. “Get good” You should. No woman will want to date an insecure misogynist with a chip on his shoulder. “wOmEn dOn’T oWe YoU Sex” Yes, they don't. Cry about it. most men Most men are doing just fine. You don't speak for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:14 PM
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It's virtually a cultural universal that women tended to date upwards in status/resources for recorded history. Only elite women did. For ordinary people, it was simply the son of the herdsman being married off by his father to the daughter of the herdsman next door. Edit: In fact, now that I think of it, even amongst elites, it was princes marrying princesses, and vice versa. So there was no 'hypergamy' there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:49 PM
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the dramatic changes since ~2010 The 'dramatic change since 2010' is that the cohort of men who were romantically unsuccessful were briefly under the delusion that dating apps would solve the problem for them. The idea of going through profiles of attractive women like a catalogue while planning to 'Netflix and chill' in the comfort of one's own home (something especially appealing to poorly socialized men like this) was very seductive. Of course, what they failed to realize is that the same att…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:47 PM
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There are worrying signs though. Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:39 PM
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female hypergamy It doesn't exist, and didn't do so for most of human history. The 'male breadwinner, female homemaker' paradigm is one that developed during the mass urbanization and industrialization during the Victorian era and reached its peak in the 1950s. Of course, it was always restricted to the urban Middle class. In rural areas, women have always worked and do so everywhere in the world. You cannot run a farm based on male labor alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:37 PM
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Just a lot of internet folks mad. These crazies always existed. It's just that the Internet has given them the space to connect with each other and share their madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:33 PM
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There are definitely some worrying signs The only worrying signs are that the social skills of both men and women are atrophying due to both being addicted to their screens. The trend towards helicopter parenting has also played a role.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:32 PM
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Bro guys go outside B-but aLl ThE wHaMeN oUtSiDe HaVe JuSt SeTtLeD dOwN wITh bEeeeetA mALEs AfTER hAvInG bEeN rUn ThRoUgH bY aLpHAAAAA mALEs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:31 PM
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The GSS data shows variable degrees of sexlessness for both young men and women, with no discernable pattern. The only consistency is that male sexlessness has always been slightly higher than female sexlessness (with the 2021 GSS being the only exception). However, the gap between the two varies over the years. Keep in mind we are only talking about ages 18-29 here, and so a large contributor to the slightly higher sexlessness amongst young men is simply due to the fact that women prefer older …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:26 PM
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We already have the 2022 GSS data as well, and it shows that the male and female sexlessness gap has closed, and sexlessness for both is at very low levels (10%).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:22 PM
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Divorcing in droves Divorce rates have been decreasing for several decades now, and are as low today as they were in the late 1960s. If the current trends continue (and there is every reason to believe they will), divorce rates will soon reach levels similar to those of the 1950s, i. e. the era when marriages in the US were the most stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:17 PM
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swipe-based apps Funnily enough, according to the Pew research survey on dating apps, the majority of men saw their dating app experiences as positive, and they were more likely than women to say so. Of course, this goes completely against the consensus here (as well as my own experience as a woman on dating apps, to be fair). Female outperformance and the intractability of various forms of hypergamy Around a third of married couples now have the woman outearning the man, compared to ~5% in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:14 PM
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Social media algorithms will show you what you want to see. If you keep searching for things like 'mating crisis', 'chadfish', 'crazy feminist DESTROYED by man', and the like, that is all you'll see. So what has changed? Social media platforms with powerful AI-based algorithms have appeared. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:08 PM
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It's not as if there's much logic on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:04 PM
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Confidence comes from high self-esteem. And high self-esteem comes from success in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:20 AM
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long term relationships are what most guys are seeking The redpill and blackpill bunch posting here are almost certainly not, what will all the talk here about 'spinning plates', AFBB, 'dual mating', married men being 'cucks', and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:22 PM
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Opportunities for casual sex have declined as a culture of low risk tolerance has developed across society. Long-term relationships remain unaffected, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:44 PM
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Yes. Both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 08:33 PM
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So? That's a good thing. People's lives have been getting easier, safer and more comfortable for the last several hundred years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:50 PM
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You are not obligated to date anyone. No one can force you to. Period. This was always true, is true today and will always be true for all eternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:31 PM
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If anything, the complete opposite is true: we live in a time where dating across class and race boundaries is more acceptable and common than at any previous point in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:29 PM
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Is there any evidence that the decline in sexual frequency in young man is as disastrous as the media would love us to believe? No. But there are a huge number of grifters of varying ideologies who want the world to think it is, because their business depends on fleecing desperate young men out of their money. This includes both redpillers and the opposing 'bluepilled' dating coaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:21 PM
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Naturally, the people attracted to these sorts of ideological online dating forums are precisely those who have repeatedly tried and failed at the dating game OR those with too much anxiety to even try. So you essentially have a mix of people jaded after bad experiences and people with absolutely no experience pretending to be masters. Not a very good environment, I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:05 AM
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are you really going to date a guy who is either in school, low income, etc but as long as he has ambition? Why not? What is the difficulty here in your minds? My sister is married to a man exactly like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:13 PM
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Incredibly boring for me. All the profiles seemed like LinkedIn descriptions. Add in a few disgusting creeps, and I deleted Tinder within a few hours of downloading it. I've never looked back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:47 AM
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The statistics show that the vast majority of men are not having problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:30 AM
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Inter-rater agreement on male attractiveness amongst women is only 0.25, which means most women don't agree on which men are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:00 PM
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Any relationship built on lies will fail. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:20 PM
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Plenty of straight women would say the same in reverse. Straight people will naturally find the opposite gender more attractive than their own. This isn't rocket science. And this is a good thing, because it means that there is tremendous room for bettering your romantic prospects through self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:18 PM
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Online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:09 PM
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https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/twin-study-unearths-clues-to-role-of-environment-in-autism/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:21 AM
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There are a number of very good reasons why we prefer scientific research over anecdotes or 'lived experience'. They're called cognitive biases. When anecdotes say one thing and the evidence another, the evidence is always correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:35 AM
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https://bonytobeastly.com/most-attractive-male-body-survey-results/ https://bonytobombshell.com/most-attractive-female-body-survey-results/ These are not reliable sources. Shows that women generally like a height difference of 8 inches, which is 3 inches more than the average height difference between men and women. And most men want women shorter than them. Men generally don't like very tall women. They also don't like very short women. Also, the height gao which women prefer is 6-7 inches in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:00 AM
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I don't think the data in your last point accounts for Gen Z, or even young milllenials. It does account for Gen Z. Dating apps have been a thing for more than a decade now, and during that time, multiple waves of representative surveys like the GSS and NHANES, as well as two US censuses (2011 and 2021), have been conducted. There is no evidence to suggest any massive change in long-term relationship formation is occurring (though rates of casual sex are definitively decreasing for both men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:44 AM
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Most surveys, papers etc I have read seem to point to women liking mostly above average men in terms of a number of factors like above average physique, above average height, wealth etc Any examples of such studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:29 AM
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Your experience is perfectly normal, especially for the COVID generation. Just because women are getting matches on OLD doesn't mean they are going out with them. Most girls' matches on dating apps come from guys swiping right on every woman, sometimes using automated scripts to do so. It is not as if the men are paying much attention to all those potential matches themselves. Many men don't even respond to their matches. Keep that in mind. All the statistical date shows that the mean and median…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:15 AM
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What exactly does 'being attractive' mean to you? Something like a guy out of an Axe bodyspray ad? Because that never happens in real world. If that's what you're expecting, then you need to get your brain checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:02 AM
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That is because the majority of men in the premodern era were killed off by wars before they had the chance to have children, while the women were enslaved and turned into the concubines of the victors and so bore the victors' children. The most prolific men in the past weren't the most photogenic. They certainly weren't the men with the biggest abdominal packs and biceps. Instead, they were the men who were the best coalition builders and military strategists. In other words, the best politicia…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:59 AM
2

Autism wouldn't exist today without autistic people from generations past having children and passing it on. So, autism by itself is not necessarily a barrier to a relationship so long as the autistic person has good masking skills. Unfortunately, our modern social environment encourages isolation, which is not conducive to developing good social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:51 AM
1

Tenderness may be mistaken as weakness, but otherwise, none of these qualities make it likely for one to be taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:56 PM
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Depends on your definition of 'feminine'. The term really has no good definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:33 PM
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Shyness and meekness are seen as feminine traits, so they are attractive in women but unattractive in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:16 AM
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ex-fboy/player marrying good wholesome girl Both of these are merely tropes for shitty romance dramas and movies. People in real life aren't so one-dimensional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:24 AM
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What makes you so sure of that? The complaints the guys on here make about their difficulties in approaching women and all that. I don't disagree but looks matter more. They don't matter more than social incompetence. Attractive men who are painfully shy won't get far. People who are "brash, confident, dominant, assertive and outgoing", as you put it, tend to be less nice. Yes. Excessive 'niceness' is not a virtue, so that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:20 AM
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one or two events in her life Change that to one or two events per week.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:29 PM
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being shy (which is a relatively common trait) is a personality defect in men but not in women Fully agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:30 PM
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Oh, you're talking about my neighbor? I thought you were talking about the men who sexually harassed me. As for my neighbor, it's simple. He has been propositioned to by women twice in the 3 years during which I've been living next to him, and he has politely rejected them both times. He told me he loves his independence too much to tie himself down like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:12 PM
2

Yes. Very easy to do when perverts make their intentions so blatant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:00 PM
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A vast majority of women don't have these traits Yes, because such traits in women are seen as highly unattractive. What men want in women and what women want in men is very different and sometimes diametrically opposite. The traits I mentioned are attractive in men, not women. Those aren't good or bad personality traits. They are just traits that women find attractive and unattractive. I fully agree with that, if by 'good' or 'bad' you mean morally good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:57 PM
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The word 'good' here is misleading. Many people misunderstand it to mean 'morally good' when it actually simply means 'good for dating'. One can be a murderer and yet have a 'good personality' in this context. Conversely, one could be a saint and yet have a 'bad personality' in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:06 PM
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women think body language is a real language. It's not just women. Everyone thinks that. Body language is an extremely important element of communication. Autistic people's social problems are significantly tied to their difficulties in understanding the body language of others and their own poor body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:48 PM
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If you believe that all women are unique in their own ways and don’t deserve to be siloed into categories I don't believe that. Every human being is unique, but that doesn't mean we cannot see common patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:47 PM
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Why are blackpillers so delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:36 PM
2

What we definitely don't need is a pathetic manbaby 'nice guy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:29 PM
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The 'wall' is a myth. Or what your type would call 'cope'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:27 PM
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it doesn't mean they can't or won't act when they have to. Then you're not a 'nice' guy. Most nice guys cannot handle any sort of difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:02 PM
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you're saying social anxiety = physical weaknes Not necessarily. But a lot of confrontations require putting your foot down when the need arises. For example, the creepy guy on the street trying to hit on you will be immediately put in his place by a few strong words, which the average socially anxious guy won't have the ability to say. the biggest fuckboys are the most mentally resilient? I did not say that. There's something wrong with your reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:44 PM
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almost always Not really. There is only a relatively small difference in the proportions. Being involuntarily single doesn't make you "pathetically horny" either. Whining about it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:36 PM
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Only slightly smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:33 PM
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We know that being single for men is almost always not a choice There are millions of men for whom it is a choice. My neighbor is one. Not everyone is as pathetically horny as the average redditor. "I wish I was also invisible to men". Eases up on the relentless sexual harassment we receive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:21 PM
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Timid, shy, anxious and neurotic guys do not make good partners. Such guys are generally cowards who will run away from the first sign of danger and undergo a mental breakdown at the first sign of any crisis. It is better to have an asshole protecting you from other assholes than a 'nice guy' who'd run away the moment an asshole comes and tries to harass you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:09 PM
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Why should we stop when the problem actually is social ineptitude? And having a bad personality does not mean being a bad person, while having a good personality does not mean being a good person. In the context of dating, a good personality is one that is highly brash, confident, dominant, assertive and outgoing. While a bad personality is one that is timid, shy, anxious and neurotic. I've already pointed out previously that the term 'nice guy' is a misnomer. Timid, shy, anxious, neurotic, soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:00 PM
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They're not dressing sexy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:45 AM
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It's not as if they have anything remotely worthwhile to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:23 AM
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There are numerous important sex differences when it comes to human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:55 AM
2

What is Andrea's background?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:54 AM
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'Beta bucks' is just delusional nonsense for RPillers and BlaPillers to explain away the millions of perfectly normal looking married men and women whom one can easily see if one leaves the house for a few minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:53 AM
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We don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:17 PM
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Most people have no idea about how to find a partner They do. It's just that it is impossible to help someone over an anonymous Internet forum like reddit where we don't know any details of the person asking for help. Blue pillers oscillate between claiming looks hardly matter in finding a partner (which is not true) and claiming since kindergarten it has been explained to us that looks are very important (which is also not true). The reality is that us 'bluepillers' (no one not terminally onlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:26 PM
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Yes. It's something considered essential everywhere on the planet except Taliban Afghanistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:16 PM
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Lol. You've clearly not met any Eastern European, South American or Arab women, and it shows. Women's education in all of these cultures is extremely important. Of course, most men here haven't met any women at all, so this isn't unexpected.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:08 PM
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Yes. Single mothers are often seen as being responsible for their own predicament, while single fathers are praised as being heroic. However, that is also because a much higher proportion of single women are never married.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 04:03 PM
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Nobody is stopping you from polygamy if that's what you want. You just need to be honest about it to all of your partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:42 AM
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According to the CDC, a whopping 39.8% of Americans aged 20-39 (prime dating age) are obese. Interestingly, obesity is actually highest (44%) amongst the middle-aged group (40-59 years of age), and it declines to 41.5% amongst those aged over 60. Frankly, I myself am shocked by these figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:29 PM
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Your source has disaggregated the overweight and obese categories. According to the abstract, 33.34% of the students are overweight plus 10.67% of the students are obese, so that the total proportion of overweight and obese students put together is 44%. In any case, this is a study from a single college in Iraq. I'm quite sure you're not going to Iraq to date, so using Iraqi statistics is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:19 PM
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A nice guy is an animal who feels happy in a cage and doesn't want to leave it, because he's deathly afraid of the world outside. It wouldn't have been a problem if he didn't have the nasty habit of blaming animals who are not afraid of leaving their cages for all his problems. Your social ineptitude is your own problem to solve. Socially competent individuals are not responsible for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:02 PM
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73.6% of Americans are overweight or obese, with 41.9% being outright obese. And these rates are only increasing with time. Women are somewhat more likely to have a healthy weight than men. However, more women than men are outright obese. Being a healthy weight alone will put you in the top 25% of men. So yes, most men aren't trying at all (but neither are most women, for that matter).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:54 PM
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It's not just fighting. Most 'nice guys' wouldn't be able to return an accidentally sent delivery. They wouldn't be able to bargain with a workman on prices. 'Nice Guys' are just cowards with extreme social anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:08 PM
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Very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:54 PM
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According to the article, 1 in 4 people simply didn't want to date. A lot of people simply don't enjoy it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:39 PM
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OLD is much harder for men because there are far more men there, and the men are simply swiping right on every women (many are literally using automated scripts for that). Nobody is forcing men to use OLD. Nobody is forcing them to swipe right on every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:51 PM
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What's the definition of 'good guy' and 'bad guy' being used here? What traits do you have in mind when you think of each category?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:31 PM
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Many do, many don't. There's no fixed rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:01 AM
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The term 'alpha male' has no definition. So the very concept is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:08 PM
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Lol. This sub is so sex-starved, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:17 AM
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Why should we not? Is there some law obligating us to be only with rich men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:33 AM
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Destroy your Internet connection and computer games. Forcibly put yourself into environments where you have no choice but to do a lot of socializing, such as politics, marketing, or acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:27 AM
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It has always existed, but previously the rich social environment and strong pressure to mask induced better masking skills. In our remote working, social media-obsessed post-CoVID world, where most people socialize only through screens, perfectly neurotypical people are seeing their social skills massively atrophy. It has never been easier to live a life cooped up in a single room with a computer and an Internet connection and never meeting another human being face to face. You can work from ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:18 AM
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Autistic women are far more likely to be victims of physical and sexual abuse due to their gullibility. In fact, human traffickers are specifically trained to be on the lookout for women exhibiting signs of being autistic, because such women are easier to lure into their trap than neurological women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:10 AM
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Many (obviously not all) 'self-diagnosed' autistic guys, especially in the incel and adjacent subcultures, are not autistic at all, but simply have horrendously poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:09 AM
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Their wish. Not everyone wants a relationship, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:29 AM
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'Nice Guys' are not especially nice. They are shy, neurotic, anxious, cowardly and socially inept. It is the latter set of qualities which make them unattractive, not their supposed 'niceness'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:35 PM
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No. If anything, it's on the decline as more and more women earn their own incomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:02 AM
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The concept of Alpha Widow involves a lot more than just a woman 'hung up' on an ex. What is this concept in your mind? What is your definition of this weird term?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:39 PM
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And how would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:38 PM
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Why is this bizarre fantasy so common here? Fewer women than men are highly promiscuous, and those that are generally don't try to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:37 PM
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people lowering their standards in order to increase their chances of finding a mate, is not a good thing therefore? Yes, because you'll be miserable if you do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:28 PM
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Yes. Relationships require trust to function.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:27 PM
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No one, whether man or woman, will be happy if he/she forces himself/herself into a relationship with someone whom he/she is not attracted to. Any such relationship is bound to fail. So 'lowering your standards' is a futile endeavour. It is better to be single than to choose someone whom you're forcing yourself to like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:25 PM
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Do you even know what objectification in the context of media is? It has nothing to do with wanting certain physical traits in your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:36 PM
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Objectification is something very different from the claims in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:26 PM
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many people in this sub claim wanting these things is dehumanizing to women Please find me someone from this sub who's saying that. Do you believe male sexuality is equivalent to sexual harassment ? No. But far too many men seem to think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:02 PM
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Leftwing ideology is the natural outcome of pessimism about the current state of the world. After all, if you are unhappy with things as they are, you'll naturally want them to change. Leftwingers are unhappy about everything, not just when it comes to marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:54 PM
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Wanting younger women Wanting thinner women Wanting specific body shapes (butt , boobs) No one is saying that men's interest in these things is dehumanizing. What is regarded as dehumanizing is the sexual harassment many men (not all, of course) subject women to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:49 PM
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Depends on your definition of 'masculine'. Nobody is going to stop you from going to the gym or competing in a boxing club. However, if by 'masculine' you mean trying to sexually harass 'cold approach' women or picking random fights with other men just because you feel jealous of 'mogged' by them, then people will obviously stop you, as they must.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:46 PM
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Both men and women can get hung up on an ex. There's no reason to believe women are more susceptible to it than men. In fact, in my personal anecdotal experience, I've seen more men getting mentally stuck on their exes than the converse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:40 PM
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105-106 boys are born for every 100 girls due to sperm carrying the Y chromosome being faster swimmers. This difference evolved because males are intrinsically more susceptible to a host of debilitating and frequently lethal hereditary disorders caused by X-linked recessive genes due to them having only one X chromosome. Some of these (such as hemophilia) are manageable because of modern medicine, but most are still incurable (and hence debilitating or outright lethal). Male fetuses are also mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:05 PM
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TikTok is an IQ-lowering machine designed for people with already very low IQs. Treat it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:50 PM
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Most beauty standards are biological (for both men and women). The rest are created by the surrounding society. Both men and women enforce the latter to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:41 PM
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The Power of Media: The media often shapes our views. The representation of K-Pop stars - talented, hardworking, and charming - seems to resonate with a lot of people. This is the main factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:46 AM
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You didn't really need a whole post to justify your choice. You have full rights to pursue the woman you like (in a respectful manner, of course). You are not obligated to pursue only some particular women and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:45 AM
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In that case, they aren't wrong if they're able to maintain their attractiveness. Of course, the same goes for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:47 AM
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Why is this sub so obsessed with age gap relationships? This topic comes up every few days.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:47 AM
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If a man is someone who can clearly get a partner if he wants one but is a virgin out of choice, no one will say anything. If a man is too unattractive to get a partner, then the term 'virgin' will be used as an insult. It is basically a proxy for unattractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:43 AM
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Many guys on here have undiagnosed body dysmorphia.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:24 AM
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Of course. Entering into a relationship without your own house in order will only lead to tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:29 PM
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This sub is not the whole world. It is a relatively small sub that specifically attracts people who have not had the positive experiences which normal people have had. In some cases, it is the fault of these people themselves, while in others, it is due to factors beyond their control. In ant case, it is nothing new. This is something that has existed since the dawn of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:26 PM
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Isn’t that half the fucking point of having a partner? So you can learn and support each other? Ideally, that's how it should be. In practice, most people search for partners to fulfil a romantic and sexual fantasy rather than actually supporting each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:27 AM
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Don't express vulnerability in front of your partners. Go to your friends for that instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:03 AM
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I never said that. Do you even know that autistic women exist as well? What I'm saying is that both autistic men and women have difficulties with subtle social cues and body language which may make their dating lives much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:02 PM
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Such men's problem is almost never attractiveness. It is far more likely to be poor social skills, high social anxiety, autism, and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:49 PM
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Nobody is hating on them, though. Most men just don't want a partner who does OF, which makes sense. They are under no obligation to like any woman, just like no woman is under any obligation to like any particular man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:10 PM
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Well, the profound isolation of lockdown did a number on people's social skills. And many Rpill men's fundamental problem seems to be lack of social skills, so the pandemic dramatically worsening the problem makes perfect sense.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 03:47 PM
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All the research on incels suggests that their problem is severe untreated mental illnesses. I'd go as far as arguing that inceldom is essentially a horrible coping mechanism for mental illness. Depression, anxiety, low self-esteem...incels seem to be suffering from them all.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 03:44 PM
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Of course, there is no exception to the rule that there is an exception to every rule. Some of us have our weird kinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:07 AM
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My dear sir, no one is stopping you from going your own way if you choose. It is you who has decided to come into this sub looking for an argument.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 09:06 AM
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SMV is simply the Rpill word for what people in normal everyday language call leagues. We've all heard the phrase "He/she is dating out of his/her league." While there is considerable subjectivity in what an individual might consider to be above/below his/her league, it is obviously not completely in the eye of the beholder. The delusion of the Rpillers is that it is a number that can be precisely quantified. It isn't. However, some idiots go to the other extreme and claim that 'beauty is solely…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:47 AM
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"No one ever told guys that getting in shape was a good thing until the red pill!." "No one ever told guys that women care about looks until the red pill!" Well, we live in a world where not hurting feefees is more important than the truth. So I can fully understand where these guys are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:45 AM
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In one word-lying. Pretending to be someone you're not, pretending to want something you don't actually want, pretending to not want that which you actually want, and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:09 AM
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The energy MGTOW expend into hating women shows that they aren't 'going their own way' at all.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 02:42 AM
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From my experience, school bullying is a much bigger cause. Seriously, far too many people grossly underestimate just how damaging years of being viciously bullied due to being at the bottom of the school hierarchy can be. The advice from many seems to be to just get over it, which is not nearly as easy as they so blithely make it out to be. You'll see that the classic Redpill/Blackpill stereotypes like Chad, Stacy and Becky are simply high school teen comedy show archetypes, with the Chad being…
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 11:49 PM
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It would solve many men's problems, but not all, because there is no single cause for why a man might be having dating difficulties. There are an almost infinite number of possible causes. In fact, I'd argue that lack of social skills is possibly an even bigger problem. However, that does not mean that having an amazing body won't be beneficial. Yes, it always will be. And so every man who is having dating difficulties should do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:37 PM
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I'm a woman whom you guys would generally call 'bluepilled'. My 'red' opinion (though absolutely nothing about it is rpill, and rpill has just stolen the idea) is that self-improvement for men (and women, of course, but I'm talking about the men right now) is extremely important, not just for healthy relationships but for better health and life outcomes overall. Unfortunately, far too few men these days seem interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:41 PM
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In your world there are only annoying people or autistic people to date? I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that being loud, outgoing and boisterous is generally considered very attractive. Of course, ideally there should be a healthy balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:22 PM
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Because that's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:15 PM
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I’m sure people love hanging out with annoying assholes cause they’re extroverted. At least from my experience, many do, especially if the alternative is an autistic man with an obsessive interest in astronomy (real-life case).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:12 PM
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They are interesting only if you happen to share the same interests as them. Given how different men's and women's interests tend to be, that happens rarely. I am a woman with a few stereotypically masculine interests (such as chemistry and sociology). I've frequently been the only woman in the social circles where such things are discussed. Men are right in that genuinely nerdy girls are extremely rare. So if a man wants his dating pool to be as wide as possible, it is good advice for him to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:09 PM
1

I've never heard of any woman who says that looks don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:01 PM
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Comfortable≠boring
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:01 PM
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being extroverted/outgoing is automatically associated with having a "good personality" while being an introvert is labeled "boring Well, dating is a market where the product is yourself. You Redpillers love to say that, right? And you're 100% right on this particular point. One of the most essential requirements to maximize your sales in any market is good advertising. You may have the best product, but you won't sell much if you don't advertise properly. In the dating market, the outgoing extr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:50 PM
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Most people misunderstand what attractive personality means here. It does not mean being kind, nice and sweet, especially as most 'nice guys' already have a crippling overabundance of the former. It means being highly extroverted, outgoing and funny. When people say that you have a bad personality, what they're saying is not that you're not nice, but rather that you're a boring, shy introvert with niche hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:38 PM
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Do you have any objective data suggesting women's preferences have increased? Or is this only your own personal frustrations speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:14 PM
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This is old data. And in any case, this only shows the population distributions in large urban centres.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:10 PM
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Does this word even have any definition? Or does it simply mean 'middle-aged woman whom I don't like'? To me the latter seems to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:12 PM
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People who genuinely hate how they look will never post their pictures there. People seeking validation will.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:09 PM
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Romantic rejection is something mentioned in Bronze Age literature. So it's nothing new. It's just that these days, a lot of guys don't seem to have the maturity to handle them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:07 PM
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I've already made this comment previously, and I don't think anything more needs to be said. Seriously, why is this sub so repetitive? The same handful of BS talking points keep getting repeated endlessly here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:28 AM
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I'm not saying that it is impossible if you're shy and introverted. But far too many RP and BlaP men focus on things like looks rather than realizing that their actual problem is that they simply never go to any place with a lot of people. In other words, they're incredibly isolated. Where are you getting your stats? https://datingzest.com/tinder-statistics/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:11 PM
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My point is that just like OnlyFans is not officially a site for sex workers but everyone knows that that's the only thing it's use for, Seeking Arrangement is officially just a dating site, but its actual purpose is obvious to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:07 PM
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And OnlyFans is just a platform for content creators to be paid directly. Men shouldn't be losing their minds over a woman having an account there, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:51 PM
7

I believe that is a site for connecting sugar babies to potential sugar daddies. So not a dating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:46 PM
37

Why don't low-quality men do that? Simple. No one wants to believe that they are of low quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:04 PM
8

Online dating≠dating apps. And the vast majority of people are not using dating apps as their primary method of meeting their partners. It is used as a backup instead. Also, this article is from 2019. The trends have begun to plateau and even reverse since then. If you're a introverted virgin Then you won't find much success using any method whatsoever. Extraversion is one of the most important traits required to have a successful dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 11:20 AM
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Read body language and determine if she's actually engaging with you. This is the only rule which matters. But most guys on here seem to be too socially stunted to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:20 AM
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Most women don't use dating apps. The relentless sexual harassment there is not to our liking. And the proportion of women who do is declining over time. (Dating apps' gender ratios worsen over time, and the newest dating apps have the best ratios). All dating apps except for Christian Mingle have more men than women. Tinder has the worst skew-78 men to 22 women in the USA (which is the source of the 80-20 bullcrap commonly peddled by Redpillers and Blackpillers). Across the pond, it is even wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:10 AM
1

I agree with everything you said. And I read your situation. Unfortunately, your situation is truly unique. Which is why no one is being able to give you good advice. I think the best choice for you would be to ask your male friends who are successful with women. They know you personally, and they can tell you the best. On an anonymous Internet forum like reddit, you won't get good advice.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 07:41 AM
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Redpill≠self-improvement. Unfortunately, what is true is that right now, redpillers seem to be the only people talking about the importance of self-improvement for men. Everywhere else, it's just meaningless feel-good platitudes. We need non-RP content creators who emphasise the importance of self-improvement for men.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 10:41 PM
10

Yeah, they are genuinely popular. Putting our heads in the sand won't work. We need to actively fight thus ideology.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 10:39 PM
3

Ideally, that's what should happen. But one must not expect it. When it comes to one-night stands and hookups, there is really no obligation on either partner to say anything before ending it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:26 PM
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Who says hooking up can’t lead to more though? It may lead to more. Or it may not. The general expectation in the absence of any request to the contrary is that it won't. After the date let’s say the girl wants another date, and the guy ghosts her. Is this morally fine? It isn't morally fine, but it is now so common that one must go about the dating game expecting it to happen at one point or other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:08 PM
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Once again, a hookup is not a relationship. There isn't generally any sort of commitment expected in such situations. If you want something more, you should explicitly ask while talking face-to-face.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:46 PM
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I'm quite sure that the 'women' running the trend are actually men. Because while the average manospherian is too stupid to understand it, the truth is that the vast majority of us women do not want or care about casual sex. It holds absolutely no appeal for us, no matter how attractive the man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:28 PM
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The only place where 'ghosting' can (and does) happen is in the context of purely online interactions, Such as on dating apps. However, a purely online relationship is no relationship at all. At most, you could call it the very initial stage of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:23 PM
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women end most marriages And then they stay single for longer than men. Which shows that they don't divorce because they have someone else waiting in the wings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:14 PM
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Again, all the evidence shows that it is men who are more likely to cheat than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:42 PM
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They're delusional. And lazy. That's why. It is easier to whine than to actually improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:18 PM
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Women define being single as not in an official relationship All the evidence suggests the complete opposite is true, i. e. it is men who are more likely to regard their relationship as being more informal than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:15 PM
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Objectively speaking, 5'8" is not short. And this is coming from someone who does not deny the importance of height for men.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 03:05 PM
3

You should begin with HealthyGamerGG, then.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 03:00 PM
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Isn't attraction asymmetrical though? No. Like attracts like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:59 PM
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Are your achievements and accomplishments in life at least equal to (or preferably slightly higher) than the person you want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:43 AM
1

Most of the guys in the list for 'great for leaving redpill' offer good advice.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 10:23 PM
1

Depends entirely on the woman. In general, being as accomplished and attractive as the woman you're targeting is necessary. If you want to date the Hollywood A-star, you'd better be one yourself. If you want to date the 31-year-old gynecologist who spends a couple of hours at the gym daily, has her own house and BMW plus $200000 in the bank besides, you'd better be a fellow highly-paid professional with a similar commitment to good health and good financial management. If you want to date the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:29 PM
1

You lose status by believing in beliefs as idiotic as the existence of 'alpha', 'beta' and 'omega' males
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 02:36 PM
1

help him work through his issues with women As I've already said, the problem is that I have no way of knowing that he has these issues in the first place. Nice guys keep hiding their feelings from the girls whom they're 'friends' with until they finally explode. I'd be more than glad to help him in any way I could, if he would actually take the trouble to tell me that he has a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:17 AM
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How would one know when they're feeling exploited? When one asks such guys for a favor, they enthusiastically comply with a smile while boiling with rage in their minds. How can one know the latter without having mind-reading abilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:21 AM
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those words have established definitions in these circles No, given that the RP/BlaP bunch never agree on who is alpha or beta, and who isn't. They can't seem to give any proper definition of these terms either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:16 AM
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Anyone who unironically uses words like 'alpha male', 'beta male' or 'sigma male' is a loser. As for Andrew Tate, he's just a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:07 AM
2

It never was on the right way. It has always been obsessed with normalizing obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 03:24 AM
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Yw.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:50 PM
2

You believe that any such values exist? I don't think so. I believe there are only good or bad values. 'Modern' vs 'not modern' is a useless dichotomy in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:49 PM
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I think respect for his woman would be the biggest one. But I don't see that as 'modern'. Good men have been doing that for millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:37 PM
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If by trad you mean 'from the era of the Roman Empire (where the father was the family's patriarch)', then yes. Because this hasn't been true for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:26 PM
1

There is no central authority dictating which values belong to modern men/women and which belong to non-modern men/women. Neither is there any sort of popular cultural consensus on this. In other words, there's no such thing as a commonly accepted set of 'modern values'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:19 PM
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The problem with nice guys is that they're cowards. They don't have the courage to confess their feelings. They don't have the courage to say no when they're asked for favors. Instead, they just keep seething within their own minds and type out angry screeds on Reddit. Nobody likes cowards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:12 PM
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It makes logical sense that the guy who has a high body count is considered that he must have high value vs. a guy who is a virgin, who women would think he must be low value. Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:09 PM
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There are 4 billion of them, and more are being born every minute. Every man alive today is 'modern' by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:07 PM
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Do you realize that different women might have different aesthetic preferences? As a woman, I've never personally found Jason Momoa physically attractive (nothing against him as a person or actor). I know many women do, but I and many other women I know don't. Neither do I personally find Timothee Chalamet attractive, though many, many other women do. Different women have different standards. Some women simply don't like highly muscular male bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 08:58 PM
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I've never heard of Thai men having a negative reputation overseas. In fact, I've never heard of any specific reputation (whether positive or negative) associated with Thai men. There are very few Thai men who are expatriates living outside Thailand, so most Westerners have never encountered one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:06 PM
2

I'm surprised to see Alexander Datepsych not in the list of 'great to watch for leaving redpill'.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/23 10:19 AM
2

Just a new word for an old concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:14 AM
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It goes both ways. For men, the status boost they get from a woman hanging off their arm is just as important as whatever you've said. Of course, such relationships are naturally highly unstable and soon fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:26 PM
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The number of men here complaining that only 'landwhales' match with them on dating apps says otherwise. Now, the men are absolutely right to reject any woman whom they're not attracted to. The same goes for the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:14 PM
2

I think it is better to slowly drift out of any contact rather than immediately going cold turkey in such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:43 AM
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Rpillers' beliefs seem to be cribbed straight from teen comedies and pornos.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:37 PM
2

The men who are friendzoned are also generally explicitly told that the women wants nothing more than a friendship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:32 PM
1

he's somehow responsible for her delusions? I never said that. She herself is the only one responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:31 PM
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You are a boy born to a man who owns sugar farms and mills in a small town in India. Your father is rich by Indian standards but is illiterate himself. However, through hard work and good connections, he has elevated himself to the position of affluence and success he currently is in. He has great hopes for you, as you are his oldest son. Fortunately, you show yourself to be a bright and precocious child, scoring top scores in all your exams. Your father's hopes for you increase, until he decide…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:27 PM
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If you've never been in a relationship with a woman, then yes, your opinions about women can be safely discarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:39 PM
1

Genetics, makeup and health.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:36 PM
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According to her, she smokes a 'disturbing amount of weed'. That will quickly harm her health.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:35 PM
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She fell into the same trap as the men who are friendzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:34 PM
1

You thought wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:32 PM
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The guy is still taller than her, so I don't see the issue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:35 AM
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Such men are highly skilled at hiding their 'trashiness' from the women they date until they have the women firmly in their grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:32 AM
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I believe there are plenty of individuals of both sexes who genuinely want to live and die alone. This is a matter of personal choice, and no woman or man should be shamed for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:04 AM
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Women like good-looking men? The horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:01 AM
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I love how nobody here realizes that good looks take tremendous time, energy and abstinence from various bad habits to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:56 AM
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This Pew study is the new 2018 GSS, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 08:09 AM
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You need a good neurotypical friend who teaches you social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 08:08 AM
3

I’m not sure who started this phenomenon Dating apps with height filters. Given the gender ratios on dating apps, the handful of women on there are naturally extremely picky.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 06:41 AM
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Height absolutely matters. Anyone who claims that it doesn't is simply lying. However, what women generally want is simply a man taller than them. This single-minded obsession with 6 ft is not real. In any case, it's not as if people are carrying around measuring tapes and checking the heights of people they meet. Without a measuring tape, the only way to tell someone's height is by them standing barefoot right next to someone whose height you know, but that is not something likely to ever happe…
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 06:34 AM
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Bluepillers live in the real world. Redpillers live in the world of Tinder, Onlyfans and Tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:57 PM
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Whether they lose sleep over it or not is of no concern to me. My comment is meant to show that the claim that only 'jealous old women' are disgusted by huge age gaps is nonsense. Of course, there certainly is a small number of women who specifically chase much older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:56 PM
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It's only women who are past their prime No. I'm not all that old, and I find extreme age gaps repulsive. And so do all of my friends. In any case, the so-called 'Wall' is a complete myth. why don't older women complain about ALL predatory men? They do. It's just that you don't pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:15 PM
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Plenty do. Around one-third of marriages have the woman as the dominant earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:01 PM
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MONEY I have more than enough of that on my own. And so do most other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:56 PM
4

How does he have multiple wives in the US? Is he an FLDS Mormon?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:54 PM
2

What you're simply saying is: 'Be successful and your life will be easier'. A more trite and banal statement is impossible to imagine. If you needed redpillers to tell you that, then there definitely is something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:50 PM
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Confidence comes from a successful life. People who are successful in life intrinsically have more self-esteem, and that shines through in all the social interactions they have, whether romantic or platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:56 PM
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Did she have a vagina before the surgery? Then yes, she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:51 PM
1

Do you have some sort of anxiety when it comes to approaching women? From my experience, successful men who have struggles with dating frequently have this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:38 PM
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External genitalia.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:35 PM
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You might not be, but such men (and women) will be more respected by their peers. They'll also be more likely to be chosen for a leadership position. Once they become leaders, people will listen to their orders and act upon them more easily. People will also be more satisfied by their leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:33 PM
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Any objective calculation to determine that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:30 PM
0

Female external sex characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:39 AM
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fit good looking man, having a stylish haircut and style, a good job, money, who is active and masculine and charismatic? This is not female nature, but human nature. Both women and men would be attracted to such a person, and not just in the romantic sphere, but in all facets of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:38 AM
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That's what we do. Far too many men go batshit insane over that word. Others seem to simply be incapable of understanding its meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:16 AM
0

There most probably is, but right now I'm feeling too lazy to fish it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:15 AM
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You do realize that there are other sources of confidence besides sexual attractiveness? Success in the world of science, literature, music, film, sports, etc. Why do the men here not focus on bettering themselves before chasing women, just like us women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:05 AM
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You made an absolute statement. I simply showed that your absolute statement is incorrect. Of course, beyond all this, chromosomal makeup has very little impact on one's psychology, so speaking of a 'male' brain and a 'female' brain is fundamentally incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:01 AM
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All men are attracted to young, fertile women. But women are not attracted to old, overweight men with diabetes and consequent erectile dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:58 AM
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It's pathetic because seeing a woman old enough to be your daughter as a potential sexual partner is disgusting. All you have to do is turn them down Unfortunately, far too many men react to a rejection in an incredibly nasty manner. There is nothing more natural than that. We're talking about human beings (at least I hope so), not animals in heat. I think what differentiates humans from lower animals is the fact that they can choose not to act on our impulses if they're morally reprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:44 AM
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Not all women have an XX chromosome (and no, I'm not talking about transgenderism). Read up on complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) and Turner syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:42 AM
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This is some very pretentious purple prose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:59 AM
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The only people who believe that the 'bluepill' exists are redpillers and blackpillers. So, the people who don't believe in the redpill and blackpill nonsense aren't bluepill, simply because no such thing exists. They're just, well, normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:47 AM
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Which country are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:24 AM
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There's no such thing as a homogeneous 'female nature' encompassing all 4 billion girls and women on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:23 AM
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Lol. Speaking as a woman, only a tiny minority of us have any interest in significantly older men. Why would we? We'd have much less in common with a man from a previous generation compared to one from our own. Hobbies, interests, habits, fashions...all of these things would be very different, and so finding common ground would be much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:10 AM
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Both men and women are to a certain degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:04 AM
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To me and the other women I know (and I know many), short height is not unattractive, but small size is. If you're a short man but with a lot of muscle mass, you'll be attractive to plenty of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:59 AM
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You have any objective metrics to determine someone's attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:56 AM
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Both men and women dislike obesity, as they should. It is generally a sign of bad habits and poor health.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:18 AM
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Even if 70% of filipinas are not open to dating a western guy, (which is not true What makes you think that? You do realize that there is no shortage of successful and good-looking Filipino men in the Philippines itself (like in every other country in the world)? The local men also have the advantage of knowing the local culture and languages. Also, do you actually think that in this era of globalization, Filipina women are unaware of the fact that the western men coming their way are essentiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:51 AM
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there mustve been about 1000 filipinas per western guy. There were 8.26 million tourists in the Philippines in 2019, the last year before CoVID. The Philippines' total population is ~114 million. Assuming that both figures have equal numbers of men and women, that makes 57/4.13= roughly 1 tourist to 14 women. And this is before you factor in that the vast majority of Filipina women will have zero interest in western sex tourists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:28 AM
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Given the very well-known gender ratios of dating apps, I have less than zero sympathy for any man who complains about dating apps. Of course, the small number of women on dating apps also completely shatters the myth of them being an enjoyable place for women (speaking as a woman who tried them briefly, but was then forced to delete them owing to the flood of disgusting sexual messages).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:04 AM
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there were 100 other women begging to take her place Given that there are also a 100 other passport bros begging to take your place if you go, the women have no shortage of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:57 AM
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A perfect sex slave 'traditional' wife who cooks and cleans the house (while not expecting her husband to do anything to help) and is also an expert in sexually pleasing her man, while not caring about her own sexual pleasure at all. She constantly pops out children but still has the body she had when she was 20. She never complains about her husband who is older than her father and a fat, smelly, ugly gamer who works part-time at a dead-end minimum-wage job and blows everything he earns on comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:43 AM
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But obesity rates are also increasing very rapidly in Asia and Africa. It is only a matter of time before they converge with the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:36 AM
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Fortunately, the women know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:08 PM
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The funny thing is that every passport bro seems to think that he'll be the only white man there, when Thailand actually saw 39.8 million tourists in 2019 (the last year before COVID). Mediocre white western men who come to Thailand for sex tourism 'love' are nothing special.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:02 PM
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feminine and traditional What do you mean by these terms? A bangmaid? looking While looks matter, they don't matter nearly as much as the pillers here think. Ambition, success, confidence and assertiveness matter far more. As a woman, these are the things which matter the most to me, and to every woman I know (and I know many women, because I have a large circle of friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:56 PM
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non-white people do not have any agency The circumstances in which 'passport bros' find these women definitely make that not only possible, but very likely. In many cases, the women are trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:41 PM
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Any man (or woman) whose only attractive quality is a Western passport is abnormal by definition. Because there are hundreds of millions of people who can offer that (and much more besides).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:38 PM
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they are men looking for beautiful, fit, traditional, feminine women overseas There's no shortage of beautiful and fit women in Germany (or any other country, for that matter). It is just that the men who resort to searching for trafficked women in the brothels of Pattaya go 'looking for love' overseas bring too little to the table to be attractive to such women. who are treated like celebrities when they go to Southeast Asia. Press X to doubt, given the millions of Western tourists thronging So…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:34 PM
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Yes. And for the same reasons because of which men are creepy. In both cases, it has nothing to do with intentions or attractiveness and everything to do with social skills (or the lack thereof).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:36 PM
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let's not forget women rate 80% men below average I love how everyone here is mentally stuck with a single 14-year-old 'study'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:34 PM
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Yes. It's a full-time job by itself. Fortunately, divorce and alimony laws recognize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:16 PM
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Most of the men on here are simply guys obsessed with not having lived like some teen comedy caricature of a jock while in high school. While normal people move on into being mature adults, these guys remain mentally stuck at 15. You can't really expect them to rationally analyze their ideology, can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:36 PM
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