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| – | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenThe better question is, "why would you care if someone finds you 'repulsive' to begin with?". My goal if we're talking about flexing money or status for sex, is to insert my penis into a vagina, I don't care what whoever is attached to it thinks or feels about anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 10:39 PM |
| 0 | Women want men to be like women. Men want women to be like men.Yeah well the obvious problem is the weird cultural conditioning media has done to make women highly attracted to these pampered gayboi types instead of rugged men who actually work for a living, which represents like 95% of real life men. I doubt that throughout all of human history women were only attracted to pretty boys, given that pretty boys haven't existed for 99.999% of human history. Now to be fair the exact same could be said of men's expectations for women, because modern beauty stand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 04:21 AM |
| 1 | Most men don’t really have an effective way to quell loneliness outside of a romantic relationship.A lot of women's lives revolve around their social life. They don't work shifts at factories and shit, they don't commute two hours to work, they don't do roofing in the hottest summer days, etc. They get paid to chill and gossip at offices then go to work meetings or travel for bullshit "project management" seminars or whatever nonsense, and they naturally associate with many people, building their social lives as they go. Some men do this too obviously but a lot of men work menial labour jobs … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 04:07 AM |
| 2 | I don't understand the obsession with the Just World Fallacy on this subShit, I actually fully agree with this. I think part of it is also that people are pretty good at picking up on bullshit, so, even if you rehearse some decent "game", it's easy for a lot of women to tell when you're faking it. Genuine aloofness and confidence really comes across well, and I've had both in my life. At my lower points in life, faking it always came across wrong. It was either forced, or just ended up appearing to be spiteful and lame. At the high points in life, it was very easy b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 04:01 AM |
| – | People simply don't understand each other, and this impacts empathyI think more specifically people don't WANT to understand each other, and imo this is largely due to our self-centered and basically narcissistic culture where people interpret every single thing as a direct projection or attack on themselves. "Well I can't acknowledge that person's views or problems because somehow that undermines me and my values and makes me feel bad!" Everything is framed regarding the individual and no one genuinely gives a shit about anyone else. Once in a while someone pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:54 AM |
| -1 | Self improvement leads to resentmentSo your results with women haven't changed at all? When you were a frumpy short little piece of shit you were getting the same (0) women you're getting now that you're motivated, in shape, and earning good money? If you're not literally uglier than Jason Voorhees then you're definitely doing something dramatically wrong, or you really are mentally handicapped. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:50 AM |
| – | Many men losing interest in womenI think it's interesting to me that a lot of people talk about the economic issues with our current society, and how disengaged people are feeling because their work isn't paying enough or their job is meaningless or stupid or unnecessarily hard, etc. But, no one seems to want to analyze the social components of our current society, especially not from the male perspective. I suspect it's probably because women are actually doing pretty well overall compared to men. Women are happy being single … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Can the illiterate be sexy?Just a random hypothetical question: If you had to choose between a man who was borderline illiterate but was the most skilled and knowledgeable farmer in the world, vs a man who was well read and highly educated but got a degree in gender studies or some shit and was unemployed, which one would you pick? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:41 AM |
| 2 | Can the illiterate be sexy?It's all part of this desire to morph society into a system that almost exclusively caters to women's preferences. That's why you see so many women going into academics and out-earning younger men, because women are naturally better or more interested in these academic busywork settings whereas men want to do real shit with their hands, but all that work is being phased out, automated, or outsourced, so men have no choice but to fuck off and die, or become cucks to the academic and white collar … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?I think the problem I have is that men are still largely duped into serving women and society as a whole while women have largely started checking out, or just gaming the entire system exclusively to their benefit. Women are just chilling in academia now or PMC busywork jobs while it's still overwhelmingly men who are doing all the hardest, shittiest, and most essential jobs, and my question for all of these men is; why?? What are you even working so hard for, anymore? I could understand labouri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:30 AM |
| 0 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?The assertion that long term relationships, getting married, and having kids does not benefit 50% of a highly social species should be such a staggeringly stupid claim to make, and yet here we are. Sometimes I wonder if modern westerners are even fundamentally human beings anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:25 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreI don't "have all the answers" but it's clear you want men's expression of problems to have some air of sophistication to them, some kind of deeper meaning or intrigue or be heartfelt and inspire some level of dramatic engagement from you. Basically you want them talking about their problems to engage or entertain you. It's all about you. The whole issue men have with expressing their problems is oftentimes the stuff that's on our mind is shit that women find annoying, offensive, or don't give a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreYour example about opening up about problems suggests that basically your desire is for the man to be melodramatic as fuck. It has little to do with a genuine desire for emotional engagement and more to do with you wanting the man to be interesting or entertaining. Ultimately the stuff you're clowning on is the types of problems and frustrations a lot of men are likely to experience in their day to day lives, not your ridiculous soapbox melodrama nonsense lol. Men obviously feel like they can't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:07 AM |
| 0 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreSome soft science garbage meant to reinforce the ultra-hedonistic, narcissistic, and consumerist nature that permeates the west and generates record profits for mega corps. So convenient the "science" aligns with the mindset that results in people mindless gorging themselves on food because we're "beautiful at any size!". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreWhat if someone has done nothing to actually garner recognition or respect? This is why I'm always skeptical when people talk about this sort of thing, to me it's always a thinly veiled desire to just be validated for being yourself no matter how worthless or shitty you are. It's just a way to excuse any action whatsoever. "Well the science says just love me for who I am and that will magically motivate me to put in hard work to improve myself!" No it won't, it clearly doesn't. That's why this b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreThe thing is those numbers are just statistics but they're not law, it's not like you literally have a 1/5 chance as if it's a casino game. You can influence your personal chances by not being worthless and by using strategies people talk about to improve yourself, if you do it properly, your chances will be far higher. The statistics only reflect stuff like 1/5 because a lot of people are too lazy or shitty to persist or do things correctly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreJapanese women will also straight up call each other fat and they don't tend to get as defensive about it. A big thing related to shame you're talking about, is that western culture is highly narcissistic and egotistical; everything is about the one person, the whole world exists to validate their existence. In Japan it's different, people respect the fact that they belong to a society that's greater than just them and if they're letting that society down by being fat or useless or criminals etc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Telling men they're too emotionally weak to implement RP strategies is just going to motivate them to do it moreSo what? A lot of western countries have similar issues plus are also fat as fuck and have high crime rates. Japan is way better in many ways. Not being perfect doesn't mean it's not significantly better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:52 AM |
| -3 | Self improvement leads to resentmentThey will unless they're fucking dumb as shit or something. You can't improve yourself and not notice an improvement in your life, lol. No one works out for 6 months and makes more money and then goes, "FUCK my life sucks now I should have stayed fat and broke!". The only way you could think that is if you're some ultra demoralized nihilistic weirdo who thinks sitting around expending no energy is a more desirable experience than accomplishing anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:48 AM |
| 0 | Self improvement leads to resentmentI disagree. When I was in my late 20's I had a good run of "self-improvement", lost a lot of weight, got some nice new clothes, built up a ton of confidence. I was able to date several decently attractive women (far more attractive than I'd had in the past) with relative ease. When you improve yourself you add a bunch of layers of things not only to your physical appearance, but to your personality and confidence that all help increase your success with women. You also build up a lot of mental r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency.Seems like this OP can easily be responded to by referencing the Halo Effect. Also I think you're understating the lengths of "being nice" we're talking about, here. There's a big difference between a man being polite to a female coworker or something, or a truly platonic female friend, vs a man being extremely engaged with and overly accommodating towards a woman because he's attracted to her and hopes she feels the same towards him. It sounds like you don't believe being attracted to someone d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:30 AM |
| -2 | Women and their Disgust for PrenupsBecause they wanna easily steal half your shit, why else? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI'm not talking about brokies, the whole premise of the thread is an "ugly" dude compensating with wealth, so the assumption is that they have enough money they can pay for dates or pay for hoes or whatever. My point simply being that even at the most bottom of the barrel male experience, money at least enables you to buy some time with a hot chick, and that experience alone is still better than most normal men will get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:18 AM |
| 0 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenCheap? Bitch please, I'm not a broke loser like you. If I was I'd have to resort to simping and white knighting some washed up old hoe raging at men online. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:15 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenWhat kind of pathetic terminally online neckbeard "man" censors the word "stupid"? Not even man enough to call me a name properly? Fatherless behaviour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:10 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenMaybe they do? How do you know the guys spending hundreds on sports betting are the same guys raging about women and dating but not paying to play? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenBecause they're poor? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:04 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenThe point is simply that even if you had to travel around the world looking for the literal one girl on Earth that actually is into you, if you're wealthy you could. I'm not saying that's literally what I personally do, just OP's entire logic hinges on this absurd hatred for old, "ugly" men who she desperately wants to believe have no chance with any women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenApparently you can't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenAnd even in the case of a genuinely "ugly" dude, it still buys them access to a hot woman's vagina, which is still at least a more fun experience than 99% of men will ever have, whether it's "genuine" or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:01 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenOh look it's OP's little lapdog. I'll let you in on something you'll never experience in real life; when your dick is in a hot girl's pussy, it doesn't matter if she thinks you're as hot as the homoerotic male imagery you painted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 02:00 AM |
| 0 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenSo will you. If you were an option for me I'd say "HA, no". Now you can seethe about that for the next three days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenWhat if it wasn't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:53 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenWhy are you so obsessed with every post I make on this thread? Are you mad that I don't give a shit about your nonsense? Why don't you just go to therapy or hash it out with your dad instead of rage baiting strangers on reddit you freak? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI think you're just taking the piss at this point, but on the off chance you're not I think you're drastically underestimating how many genuinely hot women exist even if they're not willing or able to "capitalize" on their looks. I mean I'm also not legitimately as rich as like movie stars or shit like that, I'm only "rich" compared to the average worker, so I'm still staying in my territory as well. If I was truly rich as fuck I'd go for the girls you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:51 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenUnattractive men should stop pursuing women and embrace the struggle The mask almost fully slipped there. What you really meant is, "Unattractive men should stop doing what I can't do, and embrace being a lonely loser forever so I can have company in my misery!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:47 AM |
| 3 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI think a lot of people don't understand the numbers game men play. I could get rejected by literally 100 million women, as long as I get idk, 10+ hot women that are into me (for whatever reason, looks, money, my charming personality), that's a win. Too many women and redditor types think that 1 rejection = game over, go kill yourself. That's so stupid it's not even funny. As you outlined, it doesn't matter the total number of women who are into older men or men who only have money or whatever, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:45 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenWhen I say who gives a shit I'm not saying it's "not important" (whatever that even means, how is anything the OP said "important" in any way?), I'm saying there's nothing that can be done about it. An ugly man is an ugly man, nothing can change that. But an ugly rich man still gets hot women, and fat neckbeard brokies like you do not. I'll even let you in on a little secret; I'm not even "ugly", at least nowhere near as ugly as the men OP is talking about. So everything I'm saying here is argui… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI said I have 300K more than women. I'm in the top 1% of earners in my country, I'm not saying every men has that haha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:37 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI'm not frustrated, I'm having fun. Also only 2K? That's brokie talk lmao. Listen, there's this thing you're going to have to learn: not everyone gives a fuck. I don't give a fuck if you or any other woman thinks I'm hot or not. You say that you can compensate for your ugliness with money. Big fucking deal, to attract a gold digger who will give you a dead bedroom, will humiliate you, will make you feel worthless and emasculated. No sympathy. And then will divorce you and ruin you. The only solu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenYeah what percentage of attractive women on Earth are bottle girls in Las Vegas, dude? Hahaha. Just go to some poor Eastern Euro country and wave a ten dollar bill around and you'll get 50 model level women on your dick in an instant. Joking obviously but my point is that plenty of hot girls are not raking in tons of money. Lots of hot girls are understated and don't even want all that attention, or are simply too stupid/lazy to work at those kinds of jobs, or don't live anywhere near those kind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenRight? This is the ultimate point; if you're legitimately unattractive to women due to physical appearance or age, there's nothing you can do to change that. OP clearly just wants "ugly" men to resign themselves to their fate and go die, or something, it's fuckin weird. She's obviously just jealous that she can do nothing to compensate for her quickly fading looks and hates that men can at least use money and status to score superficial pussy as they age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenAnother component to it is that women tend to value experiences and a wealthier man can take more time off work, go on nice vacations with her, etc. I knew a very attractive woman who dumped her very attractive boyfriend because he had no time for her. Sure in an ideal world a woman will date a hot dude who's also nice and fun and rich etc but that's like the top 0.0001% of men. That's like me saying if I don't get the top 0.0001% of women I can't be genuinely attracted to any other women. Of co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenBased. This idiot OP acts like she speaks for all women. Even if she did like I mentioned before, it doesn't even matter. If a man is so ugly that no woman on Earth legitimately wants to be with him, and the only way he can get pussy is by paying, then fuck it, that's better than nothing. Like what is she actually trying to say? She's just trying to rage bait and demoralize men because she's some sad spinster who probably got fucked and chucked so many times she has zero self esteem left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:20 AM |
| 2 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenShe was fucked and chucked by a rich dude and now she's here trying to regain her dignity by pretending that he cared that she didn't "ackshually" love him, lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenMen don't make more money than women reliably any more, though. A lot of women are out-earning men these days, especially in the younger demographics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI'm 4'10" ackshually and I'm already "rich" by average people standards. I'm not Bezos rich by any stretch but who cares. I make more than enough money to not have to give a shit what reddit freakazoids think beyond killing time some evenings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenI think you're underestimating the difference adding 300-500 thousand dollars of income makes in lifestyle, even if the woman was earning 150K, which the vast majority of even hot women are not lol unless they live in a rich city in the US or something. Most of the attractive women I've met through online dating or social venues are lucky to be cracking 70-ish. And as far as literally paying women, sure, that's also an option and I never was opposed to that either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:12 AM |
| -1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenThe problem with your dumb argument is, first of all, I don't give a shit what a sex worker thinks, lmao. Why in the world would I give a flying fuck what a sex worker thinks? Secondly, let's say I really was so ugly that virtually no woman is attracted to me. If I was that ugly AND poor, I'd get ZERO pussy. If I'm ugly and rich, I get pussy. That's the simple calculation here. If I'm cursed with being old and/or ugly, there's nothing that can solve that problem. But, I can use money to compensa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenOkay say you do want "genuine love and an actual long-term partnership". Then you just go travel around the world until you find one of the 3.5+ billion women on Earth who are genuinely attracted to you (and your money), and marry her. That's the thing about being well off; you get to expand your options to near infinity. There's zero reality in which increasing your wealth and status as a man is not a net benefit to your ability to attract a woman. Even just the ability to travel around meeting… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 01:01 AM |
| 0 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenThose men are just being depressos or losers, and probably don't actually have the money for sugar babies. If they did they'd stop caring very quickly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenNot entirely true. Most women aren't earning like 300+ thousand dollars a year. My income dwarfs the average woman's to the point where her adding her income to mine is barely noticeable. So, her lifestyle is drastically improving dating/marrying me regardless of whatever she earns on her own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 12:58 AM |
| 2 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenSure. I might look twice as bad as her but I'm 50X as rich. Besides I also don't give a shit about the women who aren't "lining up" to date wealthier older men, I care specifically about the women who are. I don't care if 5 million reddit women plebs don't care about wealth, I care about the hot women who have a weird fetish for money. That's what being rich let's you do; be selective as fuck. Oh noooooo not some fat reddit woman doesn't want to date me! Guess I'll just have to go back to the do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 12:55 AM |
| 5 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticSo it's conspiratorial to apply for a job and, before your very own eyes, not get that job due to DEI policies, but, it's not conspiratorial to believe that every big corporation is out to get you constantly? The part of all this that's kind of hilarious to me is the left is literally watching themselves constantly lose support and watch people go to the far right in record numbers, but they can't fathom that maybe their optics suck and if they just abandoned worthless DEI shit, they'd probably … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/25 12:48 AM |
| 6 | Question about old men who think they have a chance with young womenThe "genuine attraction" thing is such gigacope from brokies, tbh. Besides who even gives a shit? If I was super rich and banging super models every weekend, do you really think I give a flying fuck if they're "genuinely" attracted to me? As long as my dick is genuinely in their vagina, I'm good. At the end of the day, men have the ability to improve their lives, earn money, and attract women (whether that attraction is "genuine" or not, I don't care). Women seethe and resent this because they k… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 12:45 AM |
| 6 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticYou're dramatically missing the point. I explained to you that it's very hard for people to engage with abstract or wide-sweeping problems vs things that clearly effect them in the moment. Tesla not reporting income taxes did absolutely fuck all to me or anyone else in a direct manner. No one woke up this morning and had Tesla smash their window in, or get denied a job specifically because Tesla didn't pay income tax. But like I said, that dude who got denied a job he was qualified for and watch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/25 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticMy point isn't that you should just "live" with racism, my point is that by exclusively focusing on race or other identity issues people neglect the overarching class-based issues that affect 99% of society INCLUDING the minority groups, anyway. Whatever small gains have been made for specific minority groups is insignificant compared to the lack of progress made for all people, and the majority. Why do you think the very ultra-capitalist corporations that you undoubtedly oppose constantly pay l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/25 12:16 AM |
| 5 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticDEI absolutely makes it harder for working class people. The "owner class" has existed since the inception of capitalism, whether they make it harder or not is irrelevant to this discussion since they're a constant. DEI is a fairly new addition to the equation and absolutely makes it harder. I've witnessed it with my own two eyes when the organization I worked for hired 21 women (only one was white) for my last training group. Just use common sense; if an agency is prioritizing hiring non-white … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/25 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forOf course it had to be a competition. We live in a finite world with finite resources, and certainly in terms of the most desirable territory/resources. And we are extremely cooperative, working with other people all the time. It's just often that cooperation involves banding together and fighting an opposing "team" so that our team can be the one to secure whatever resources are in question, while the opposing team is trying to do the same thing. It's impossible for the whole world to cooperate… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:30 PM |
| 2 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forExactly, and in my personal opinion 9 times out of 10 when a man is independently rejecting masculinity it's more of a sour grapes thing anyway. I rarely find a true "sigma" man who simply doesn't align with masculine ideals. This becomes more true the more generalized your idea of masculinity is, because oftentimes masculine traits are just simply good, healthy traits that all or most men should strive to embody, like being physically and mentally strong, controlling their emotions, having some… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forI'm not saying war and slavery is/was a good thing but, the motivations for doing those things are typically for survival and securing territory. Those are natural and "healthy" things from a strictly competitive, survivalist point of view. Really it's your/our perspective that's warped, given we live in bubble realities where our immediate needs are satisfied by massive overarching systems and all the major consequences like environmental destruction, killing animals, borderline enslaving poor … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:11 PM |
| -5 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticI did answer it, I said I was being hyperbolic. And whether I want hiring based on merit has no bearing on people's tendencies to be less favourable towards names they see as strange or stereotypically belonging to some uber-black who I'm sure they assume only got their degree because AA handed it to them. There's no easy way to legislate away or otherwise eliminate these tendencies, it's something people just need to learn to live with while we solve more pressing problems that affect 99% of pe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forI think the Romans appreciated "traditionally masculine" men given they sent them to war constantly for like a thousand years. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forWe only need that shit now because we've made ourselves emotionally unhealthy. We are prescribing the remedy for the problem we've created and continued to create. Ancient men weren't all depresso losers suppressing their emotions waiting hundreds of thousands of years for some nerd in the enlightenment era to invent an anti-depressant or talk about their feelings while sitting on a chair. Those men were mentally healthy and fulfilled because they were living and thriving in an environment they … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forHumility isn't necessarily submissive. A huge problem with modern culture is how narcissistic everyone is becoming. I agree that encouraging men to be obedient slaves is bad but on the same hand, encouraging men to be self-congratulatory and insufferable narcissists isn't great either. Bending a knee to ask a woman to marry you is a very endearing sign of love and humility and any decent woman would obviously appreciate the gesture, and reciprocate in her own way as well. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:58 PM |
| 2 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forGood point. Also 9 times out of 10 when someone is encouraging a man to be more "masculine" they're just finding appealing ways to frame becoming a stronger and better person. A lot of men want their inner spirit reinvigorated and want strong male role models who encourage them to tap into what feels like natural instincts and desires, and run with them. Often it's not telling people to "be masculine" but more to accept their masculinity and not be discouraged by the shitlibs of modern culture w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:56 PM |
| 0 | Traditional masculinity shouldn’t be something men strive forThe problem I have with this line of thinking is that too often "breaking free" of "restrictive" social norms is a thinly veiled excuse to basically just let yourself go and be a worthless loser. I would agree if by not being a traditional man you meant you're going to be some flamboyant, effeminate man who's into fashion design or whatever, but, honestly a lot of (typically gay) men have filled that niche for a long time and maybe they did face discrimination but at the same time they're often … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:51 PM |
| 5 | There is a narrative to paint all men who are cautious around women, as paranoid Incels with victim complexes.The ultimate goal of a lot of idpol-leftism is simply to make men as brow-beaten and submissive as possible. When you view all of this sort of thing from that angle, everything is simple and makes perfect sense. Modern liberal-leftism and liberalism in general does not want annoyed men, entitled men, ambitious men, frustrated men, etc. It just wants docile, obedient, submissive slaves who will kiss the feet of PMC and elite women and make zero waves. A good example is the whole bear vs man thing… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:42 PM |
| -2 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticDo you think those studies are when a black dude is named "Jim Kennedy" and the racist hiring manager somehow magically sees that he's black and throws out the application? I'm being hyperbolic but it's clear in those studies that people are discriminating against very weird names. The good faith test would be to also include white trash names like "Diesel" or "Trixie-Lynn" or some shit, and see what effect that has. Ten bucks says it's similar if not the exact same as the overtly "black" names.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:36 PM |
| 9 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticNot as big a difference as you might think. Couple of main reasons: First and most important, a lot of issues people want to talk about, even small things, add up and when you can't talk about them with the group you'd normally associate with, you start slowly but surely gravitating towards groups in which you can. If those groups happen to have more and more extremist views, you'll naturally warm up to, and maybe even share, those views, by virtue of the fact that these people are the only ones… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:32 PM |
| 3 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticI used to have to attend mandatory DEI meetings, 20/21 people hired in the last training group I had were non-white women, and every meeting we had to prostrate and profess our white guilt over "stolen" native land. Ya they went too far. Sorry you can't see it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:13 PM |
| -5 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticThere are so many studies showing how simply having a ‘white’ name gives you a greater chance of getting a callback & yet here we are, still acting like it’s not needed. How do you legislate or otherwise force people to give someone whose name on a resume is "Watermelondra DeSquarius" a job equal to someone named "Kate Smith"? Maybe just don't name your kids dumb shit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:11 PM |
| 10 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticThey "counteract" it by making it harder for regular working class people not part of DEI-favouring groups. The entire idpol-left spent the last like 20 years ignoring the fact that poor, disadvantaged white men exist and it's finally just now biting them in the ass. The left should have stuck with class-first policies but instead decided to believe that 100% of white men are evil capitalist imperialist oppressors and now zomg so surprising most white men are rejecting leftism and embracing righ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:07 PM |
| 12 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticThe left was unattractive so people were not attracted to them. It's as simple as that. Life isn't an Avengers movie and you're not owed support for being the "good guys" (self-described, of course). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:05 PM |
| 6 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticI literally thought 100% of leftists were pink haired, screeching freaks and weirdos until I came across r/stupidpol. You might disagree with some of their views but they were the biggest epiphany I had that leftist people can, sometimes, be normal human beings. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:04 PM |
| 0 | Trump has basically made it impossible to be anti-DEI policies without sounding like a racist lunaticThe right wing response to these issues was the "backlash". I don't understand why the left can't admit it went off the rails with DEI and idpol crap to the point where it drove people to the far right. "Woke isn't real but you have 10 mandatory seminars on it tomorrow and have to bow before the gods of diversity and beg forgiveness or you're fired and every show you watch now has a multiracial lesbian couple and all the stuff you used to like is now a vessel for relaying canned left wing talkin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/25 10:01 PM |
| 3 | Telling men that they've no romantic option because it's self-imposed logic should be used for women too who say there are no good men, bar is in hell and they would rather be single.I don't agree with this argument because a lot of modern issues with dating stem from a culture that originated and is largely perpetuated by the PMC, which are a bourgeoise-adjacent component of the "working class" who are sheltered from most of the material/systemic issues you mention, even if they're not as rich and powerful as the true bourgeoise. It's typically not poor women embracing third wave feminism and anti-male attitudes, as well as engaging in ultra-hedonistic behaviour. This is ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/25 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Sexual double standard is irrationalYeah there's me; someone who's never had to end a human life to compensate for my impulsive and hedonistic degeneracy. If only more were like me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/25 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Sexual double standard is irrationalIt's not a "new" definition it's just a more useful and relevant one. The whole reason female promiscuity is stigmatized in the first place is because of women's position as gatekeepers of sex. Sex is a very strong motivator to have men behave in ways that women want, so if women are throwing themselves at men willy nilly, it undermines this dynamic, makes it harder for more sexually selective women to leverage sex and filter out unwanted behaviour in men. And regarding the frat parties and bars… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/25 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Sexual double standard is irrationalThis argument simplifies the relationship dynamics and differences between men vs women in a fairly disingenuous way. You can say promiscuity "simply" means having many casual sexual relationships, but the how/why of it is more important than the core definition. The reality is that women are actually the ones responsible for male promiscuity, because they select partners. Women are effectively the "gatekeepers" of sex, so if a man is "promiscuous" it means he's highly attractive to many women i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/25 11:08 PM |
| 2 | How true is the myth that conservative women cheat less than their liberal counterparts ?There isn't any direct research but all you'd have to do is figure out which demographic has more sexual partners on average, since that statistic is strongly correlated with infidelity. I think it's a safe assumption that liberals have more sexual partners than conservatives, so it's probably true that they cheat more. Generally liberals are hedonistic consumers all around, obsessed with vanity, buying products, having copious amounts of sex, etc. It's a mega-cope that liberals are somehow more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/25 10:39 PM |
| 8 | Does anyone else get annoyed by the “It’s not about you” excuse?It's kafka-trapping and demoralization. It primarily serves to force men to conform to a very rigid definition of "manliness" which invariably revolves around being a total subservient slave to women or feminist-leaning ideals. Any deviation from this is classed as "toxic masculinity" and rejected. You were right to abandon those spaces because ultimately they only have power over you through association. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/25 01:48 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else get annoyed by the “It’s not about you” excuse?I mean we should prolly just do that tbh because 9 times out of 10 it would probably be true. Women are some of the worst projectors ever. Not saying men don't project but women build their entire personalities around gaslighting and projection, because social manipulation is their main way of power-seeking. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/25 01:47 AM |
| 5 | Does anyone else get annoyed by the “It’s not about you” excuse?It seems like a version of a kafka trap. Basically if you argue against whatever is being said they take it as proof that you're wrong or are a reflection of what is being criticized. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/25 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Sexual double standard is irrationalThe thing is, why would I care about the affects of male promiscuity? I'll never be in a romantic relationship with a man, so I don't care about their likelihood of divorce, infidelity, mental health, etc. Female promiscuity destroys a demographic I'm actually interested in, so of course I think it's bad. Besides, male promiscuity is a bit of an oxymoron anyway since promiscuity generally refers to thoughtless sex with strangers which only women can actually accomplish. Men who have sex with a l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/25 12:03 AM |
| 0 | Sexual double standard is irrationalNative birth rates in developed countries are in the gutter. If giving birth is a woman's claim to fame, they're not even doing that anymore. Really what do overprivileged western women even do these days? They're just a psuedo-bourgeoise parasite class that sponge money off the system through busywork PMC jobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 11:59 PM |
| 0 | Sexual double standard is irrationalYet it's women who literally riot for the ability to abort their pregnancies because they can't just keep their legs closed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/25 11:56 PM |
| 2 | People always use pride as a scapegoat for why men struggle. This is so disingenuous.Another big problem is that if a man confidently asserts himself in a way that stands up for his interests or otherwise undermines the desires of a woman, he's generally seen as threatening to the comfort and safety of women, a grave societal moral ill, which means he either has to embrace that role and become viewed as some kind of asshole, or he has to stifle his feelings in order to accommodate women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 11:46 PM |
| 3 | People always use pride as a scapegoat for why men struggle. This is so disingenuous.Imo a big issue is that a lot of people including a lot of women don't understand that trait clustering is a thing, and they think they can finely select and cherry pick a perfectly desirable combination of traits in a partner when in reality there's usually a trade off. For example I've known women who are always ending up in abusive relationships because they're attracted to high octane, assertive, dominant men. The problem is that a lot of those types of men are also abusive or non-committal.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 11:44 PM |
| 1 | “Toxic masculinity” is real, but the term used for what it refers to is harmfulThe underlying goal is to vaguely connect actually bad things to masculinity as a whole in order to deter men from doing things like embracing traditionally masculine endeavours or roles, from being confident, from forming positive support structures and bonding with other men, etc. Atomized and effeminized men are much easier to control because they tend to be more docile and subservient to women. This itself is important because women and the economy as a whole are revolving more around the ps… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Men need to stop believing and spreading the idea that having sex with a lot of women is more ideal than just having sex with women you can find through your passionsThat's more PUA shit not necessarily "red pill". Plenty of red pill types lament the fact that modern dating culture is largely a superficial shitshow or exclusively revolves around sex, and that women are rarely if ever interested in settling down and forming meaningful relationships or starting families. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 11:14 PM |
| 2 | Men need to stop believing and spreading the idea that having sex with a lot of women is more ideal than just having sex with women you can find through your passionsLiberalism in general was largely a huge mistake. Most people are very low IQ hedonists and can't be trusted with a large degree of freedom. A lot of our culture's problems revolve heavily around the fact that narcissistic women have been given enough freedom to commodify every social interaction, degenerating social relations and making it so that you have to meta-game social media or other incredibly superficial forms of interaction to participate effectively. Among other problems, like rampan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Men need to stop believing and spreading the idea that having sex with a lot of women is more ideal than just having sex with women you can find through your passionsThe problem with this logic in the west is we're still required to participate in and contribute to society, it's not like it's pure individualism and survival of the fittest. But then people like you want unchecked individualism and hedonism when it suits you. It should be one extreme or the other not cherry picked elements of both that exclusively benefit the most narcissistic and degenerate people while parasitizing the decent and responsible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 11:07 PM |
| 3 | Men need to stop believing and spreading the idea that having sex with a lot of women is more ideal than just having sex with women you can find through your passionsHalf the responses on this sub are basically "don't trust your lying eyes". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 11:04 PM |
| 2 | Who is the "good guy" who struggles with dating?These people are broken. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 11:00 PM |
| -2 | Who is the "good guy" who struggles with dating?Passport bro. A lot of this shit is modern western insanity that probably stems from unchecked narcissism and hedonism. In foreign poorer countries women are simply living in the moment more and are more practically oriented so instead of having a laundry list of mentally deranged reasons for rejecting you, they'll just keep it simple and think, "decently attractive, nice guy with some money" and you're golden. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 10:58 PM |
| 7 | Who is the "good guy" who struggles with dating?I find people, especially on the internet, subscribe almost exclusively to this idea that everyone, and especially women, are rational actors. They refuse to acknowledge that there are tons of messed up women that are pathologically self-sabotaging and do fucked up shit, are attracted to terrible men, reject good men, etc, which strongly contributes to the mixed signals and confusion. I've had a very self-aware woman explain that due to trauma related to her dad she constantly seeks out men who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Who is the "good guy" who struggles with dating?The problem is there's so much dishonesty, especially from mentally fucked up women. These women will constantly complain about being mistreated by asshole men, but then they'll bully and intimidate a genuinely good guy and be overbearing about their desires, or make it clear they're actually attracted to the abuse they receive from asshole men. It's extremely pathological. I'm at the point where "Western woman" is basically a red flag in itself because there are so much rampant mental health is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/24 10:53 PM |
| 1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeOf course you can reduce those things through proper cultural conditioning and legality, as it was in the past when unwanted pregnancies, teenage pregnancies, single motherhood, etc were far lower than they are now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/24 02:07 AM |
| 0 | How do you think the world would look if there were more absent mothers?Single fatherhood isn’t an indicator of crime, behavioural problems, and poverty like single motherhood is. Fatherlessness is probably one of if not the biggest issues in society today. So if we had more single fathers on top of the single mothers we currently have it wouldn’t change much. But if we had single fathers replace the current single mothers society would improve drastically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/24 01:32 AM |
| 5 | Q4A: Women are praised for being in the same situation that would be "normal" or "derogatory" for men. Why?Yeah that’s because the dad did that after working 12 hours in a factory and paying for everything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/24 01:30 AM |
| 1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeNo because single moms and a lot of lower incomes people aren’t real working class, they’re closer to lumpenprole. The right does pay some lip service to the actual working class, people that have real jobs in industries like agriculture, energy, logistics, etc, because the left wing has all but abandoned them (too many white men I guess). Abortion in the modern west doesn’t really serve a real purpose other than to allow men and women to engage in irresponsible, hedonistic behaviour largely fre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/24 01:25 AM |
| 1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeThe agenda might have superficially changed but it still ultimately serves the same purpose; purging undesirables. That’s literally what even the individual women are doing when they get one, lol. That’s also why pro-choicers exclusively use dehumanizing language and refer to fetuses as “parasites” and whatnot. The only reason it’s championed by leftists is because they’re idpol obsessed weirdos, and with liberals it’s because it alleviates women from the “shackles” of motherhood and let’s them … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/24 01:18 AM |
| -1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeNot really, after all isn’t that effectively what people mean when they say that the child is going to end up unwanted or a burden to the mother or society? I’m just being a little more honest and pragmatic about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 11:47 PM |
| -2 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrifice“Put the kids first….by killing them” 🤣 But I approve, as I said, I’d rather they be eliminated because I know I’m going to have to pay for them. Our society will always enable the underclass to continually leech off the productive class in any way they can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 11:30 PM |
| 3 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeJust as the woman could abstain or use the pill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 10:06 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: woman in the gym appears to be pinned under the weights and needs assistance. What do you do?She dies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 10:05 PM |
| 1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeA birth can happen earlier depending on access to technology. In some countries, a premature birth may be unviable, whereas in others, it's a trivial matter. So the beginning of a person's life, morally speaking, is at least in some part dependent on what level of technology is accessible to them. The only consistent element is that the fetus/baby exits the woman's body. Is that alone enough moral justification to kill it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 10:02 PM |
| 4 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeAbortions are eugenic. The original intention of planned parenthood was to reduce the population of undesirables, namely blacks. I always find it kind of hilarious how much abortion is championed by western leftists. Most people who get abortions are poor and/or would-be single mothers, meaning the "evil" bourgeoise are not the ones eliminating their progeny, but the poor and working class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:54 PM |
| 5 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeIf women are allowed to unburden themselves of unwanted parasites, why can't society as a whole do it? Why can't we eliminate the useless eaters? Just because they were born? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:50 PM |
| 1 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeYou could just make the exact same reductive argument regarding humans as a whole or certain people. We're all just a "bunch of cells" in the end, even our consciousness is probably just a manifestation of emergent intelligence; just a bunch of complex biological processes that stem from chemical reactions and cells interacting with one another, nothing inherently special or worthy of moral value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:49 PM |
| 2 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeMen are saddled with the burdens and responsibilities of their decisions all the time. If a man gets a woman pregnant and she keeps it, he pays for it for 18 years. Women don't like to be held responsible for anything they do, though, so they prefer to have the option to simply eliminate the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:48 PM |
| 2 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeYeah but that would involve the R word; the anti-thesis to western culture: Responsibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:45 PM |
| -3 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeIf your friend feels this strongly about abortion, he should advocate for support and resources for single moms and moms with kids. This is always the insidious offloading of responsibility and essentially "moral kidnapping" that pro-choicers try to foist on anyone that disagrees with abortion. "So you don't want me to irresponsibly get knocked up then kill my would-be offspring? Better give me tons of money to raise the kid, then!" I think the ideal to be striving for here is a culture of good … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:44 PM |
| 0 | CMfV: Most abortions constitute child sacrificeI don't agree with the original argument either but your angle here is extremely obtuse. We're obviously talking about the conscious and intentional action someone takes, not uncontrollable body processes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 09:42 PM |
| 1 | What about class?You don't like blue collar men, you don't associate with blue collar men....but this is a problem for you because you "wish" you did? That barely even makes sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 08:45 PM |
| 0 | What about class?That's kinda silly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 08:38 PM |
| -2 | What about class?So then date rich twinks lol, why are you associating with "blue collar men" if you don't like them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 08:32 PM |
| -1 | What about class?To a degree sure, but not enough that it directly effects most people's dating experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 08:25 PM |
| 2 | "social skills" = superficially charmingWomen in the West are too arbitrary to deal with, too. I had this discussion with someone else yesterday but so many women here, especially ones who are a little better off, treat dating and men like some video game sidequest. They'll date random men on random whims based on whatever nonsensical mood they're in, rarely even looking at them as long term prospects. So, even if you are an objectively desirable man, it's still pure luck since women simply don't give a shit and will pass you up to da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Countries where men have housewivesThat’s why a lot of men who want this arrangement end up seeking out foreign women. | /r/RedPillWomen | 17/10/24 06:42 PM |
| 2 | What about class?It shouldn’t really be a big point of conversation though since 90+% of us are part of the same “class”. The only time I’ve ever experienced class being an issue is when an attractive woman tries to ascend out of the middle class by exclusively trying to date upper class men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 06:39 PM |
| 7 | "social skills" = superficially charmingEven “actual” social skills are largely a product of superficiality because the halo effect does some extremely heavy lifting and creates a feedback loop where attractive people are constantly validated in everything they say and do which leads to them feeling calm and confident which then leads to more pro social and “charming” behaviour. Most people just don’t want to admit they live in a world where like 90% of your outcomes are determined purely by luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/24 06:37 PM |
| 1 | The notion that women prefer to be interested in only one man is bad advice from the Red Pill ManosphereI guess it would help to know when the divorces actually happen, but honestly this leads into another topic where I personally think most women view marriages as more of a practical endeavour which often center around child rearing. Human gestation and youth/adolescence stages are abnormally exceptionally high vs other mammals, so I think it's only natural for women to want to secure a partner that can help support them during that stage of life. Afterwards, they probably have no real use for me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 09:20 PM |
| 4 | The notion that women prefer to be interested in only one man is bad advice from the Red Pill ManosphereFair reasons but don't you think that undermines the aforementioned idea that women are working very hard to filter through men and finding even one decent one is a near impossible task? In my experience too I've known women who go for superficial things and ignore obvious red flags (this girl I knew dated a very conceited man who had never had a relationship before her just because he was a doctor with a wealthy family. It didn't work out), meanwhile telling people how much they're looking for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:54 PM |
| 2 | The notion that women prefer to be interested in only one man is bad advice from the Red Pill ManosphereBut why weren't they more picky prior to entering in the relationship in the first place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:40 PM |
| 1 | If You're Not Successful with Women At All, It's Not Because You're UnattractiveHaha I actually get your point, and agree really. Now these days a 6-8 woman is on her high horse like crazy. They are very hypergamous, many of these just simply “cute” women think they are landing Chad or some handsome surgeon into marriage. I've literally had this exact experience (down to the job of the dude lmao) where a woman I knew dates exclusively for class even when the dude himself is an obvious dud, and passes up men like me who are way better actual matches in every meaningful way. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:30 PM |
| 1 | The notion that women prefer to be interested in only one man is bad advice from the Red Pill ManosphereBecause if women were really so picky why do they file for divorce so much more? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:24 PM |
| -1 | The notion that women prefer to be interested in only one man is bad advice from the Red Pill ManosphereIf this was a common train of thought amongst women then why are women so quick to get into relationships with obviously sub par men, and then often end up rejecting men who would be far better matches? Women seem to approach dating with an extreme degree of arbitrariness and lack of consistent, logical standards, vs the fine tooth combing you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:23 PM |
| 1 | If you knowingly enter a superficial relationship you don’t deserve sympathy when it goes south!The problem with this logic is it's anti-social at its core because people can never be trusted to genuinely look out for the well-being of other people, even when they themselves are their own enemy. I knew a girl who was happy to entertain simps because in her mind they were doing it to themselves. The problem is if you were a true friend to these people and truly cared about them, you wouldn't allow them to act stupidly and trip over themselves, allowing their attraction to get the better of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:21 PM |
| 2 | If You're Not Successful with Women At All, It's Not Because You're UnattractiveThe only reason I sort of disagree with you is because in the past (and currently in other cultures), there were still plenty of feminine women of reasonable weight. Sure maybe they didn't have the genetic perfection of the truly "hot" women, but they were still conventionally pretty. The problem now is that by having ANY physical standards whatsoever for women in the modern west, you're immediately eliminating about 80% of the female population right out of the gate. That means not only is it v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:17 PM |
| 1 | What do you agree with the "other side" on?The male equivalent of abortion, or the closest possible, would be abandoning the child entirely which to the best of my knowledge is illegal. At the very least you have to pay child support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 08:00 PM |
| 2 | Most women don’t pick men based on their status or moneyPretty refreshing honesty, although this is all incredibly obvious. It's just nice to hear a woman admit it vs pretending they only care about personality, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:54 PM |
| 3 | What do you agree with the "other side" on?Men have insecurities because they're scrutinized for everything they do, whereas women are validated in everything they do. When women are made to feel insecure, like for being overweight, for example, legions of women and simps jump in to support her and reinforce the idea that she's actually beautiful. Meanwhile if a man is fat or otherwise unattractive or unsuccessful, society piles on and reinforces the idea that he is indeed a worthless piece of garbage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:52 PM |
| 1 | What do you agree with the "other side" on?If I had a decrepit female politician banning me from getting a vasectomy I’d be furious The equivalent to this isn't abortion, it would be getting her tubes tied, which isn't illegal even in anti-abortion states. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:50 PM |
| 2 | If You're Not Successful with Women At All, It's Not Because You're UnattractiveIt's another side of the same coin, though; the detachment from reality and the fact that we spend so much time online where, like you basically said, we're exclusively bombarded with only the top tier, most attractive people and set our sights on those. The problem that isn't men's fault though, is that in older times those attractive men with good careers WOULD have scored the "ideal American blonde girlfriend", because he would have been the best option in her community and her immediate sphe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:45 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most women were abused and unhappy before the feminist revolutionI think our views on "happiness" have been drastically skewed by modern consumerism, where we associate "happiness" almost exclusively with infinite personal freedom which is near exclusively used to engage in short term, hedonistic, often depraved and self destructive, behaviour on an endless chase for more dopamine hits. The reality is the vast majority of humans and literally all animals on Earth were "unhappy" throughout history vs modern consumerist westerners, simply because people of thos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:40 PM |
| 2 | “Watch what they do, not what they say” is just a tactic to paint women in a negative light.Men might do this sort of thing too but women are generally far more interested in things like ingroup virtue signaling and other performative gestures that indicate they possess the "correct" beliefs and values, conducive to maintaining their standing within society or whatever social groups they value. So, you can't really trust them to ever be completely honest, especially in public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:37 PM |
| 3 | Women having thicker skin is a factor in the “women hate men being vulnerable” topic.This take is so braindead and unaware it's almost painful to read. You basically just confirmed that men aren't allowed to have spaces to themselves because the stuff we actually feel and want to talk about with each other is considered "toxic" (by your ultra far left standards) and therefore aren't allowed. So we're only allowed to express ourselves or support each other if we neuter everything we think and feel to align with your views (which are the cause of our problems and grievances to beg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Women having thicker skin is a factor in the “women hate men being vulnerable” topic.Perfectly stated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:29 PM |
| 1 | The "Why don't men uplift other men?" argument as a reply to "Why don't women support men?" is a bad faith argument that's counterproductiveWell said, so many women are delusional about how hard men and society as a whole simp for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:24 PM |
| 7 | Do Modern Men Want Women to be More Submissive or more Masculine?I agree with this. I don't need or even want a demure slave, I just prefer it when a woman is more pleasant and agreeable vs stand offish, emotional, confrontational, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:21 PM |
| 2 | If You're Not Successful with Women At All, It's Not Because You're UnattractiveThe main reason men are having trouble with dating these days is because through social media women have access to hundreds if not thousands of men, so competition for any one woman is far higher, and women no longer have many if any practical reasons to engage in a relationship in the first place, so unless they're in a "I hate my dad/ex/whoever" mood, or you're a really standout man, they're probably not going to bother in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 07:17 PM |
| 1 | "Men also face issues, but..."Close enough I think, those make a lot of sense. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/24 03:52 PM |
| 12 | "Men also face issues, but..."Someone once mentioned a term for this kind of thing I wish I could remember it, but it basically amounts to doing what you’re talking about; flipping it so that a grievance one party makes is framed as ackshually a problem that affects the party being criticized. I’ve never once seen anyone hold women collectively responsible for any negative social trends the way people do for men. It will always be reframed as men causing the problem or causing women to cause the problem. A lot of social/idpo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/24 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Declining birthrates mean less young women for future men to dateYeah but there’s still hundreds of millions of thin, attractive women outside the west you can scoop if you’re an above average income earner. This doomer shit really only applies if you exclusively date western women. Forget western women, they’re a Happy Meal priced like a filet mignon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/24 02:34 AM |
| 5 | I hate the narrative that only sexist men care about men issues, because they are afraid of feminism, and losing male privilege and power.A big issue is that no one cares to even attempt to objectively analyze the social consequences of “women’s rights” or more accurately, the choices women tend to make when they have more freedom. Typically those choices boil down to less relationships, less child rearing, and more casual sex. This is why the most feminist countries almost perfectly correlate with low birth rates yet also way more casual sex. Effectively in countries where women are “liberated” they tend to exercise their newfoun… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/24 11:20 PM |
| 2 | I hate the pressure society puts on men to have "game".It’s because men will always be “chasing” women, since women will always be seen in our culture as the “prize”, in and of themselves. There’s zero incentive for women to not be highly selective and dismissive of substandard or even “average” men. Also statistically women don’t really even care that much about men and relationships, and would just rather be single vs settling for a man who is subpar or average. So the entire game is rigged in such a way that a man who has some standards and expec… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/24 11:13 PM |
| 4 | Why do men care if older single women are lonely?RP/conservative types definitely have more genuine day to day care for and interaction with their immediate communities than the average lib, especially radlib/radfem. Radfem types are usually performatively community oriented in that they change their social media profile pic to whatever flavor of the month social cause is currently being championed by mainstream politicians and megacorps, and pay lipservice to random leftist talking points. But in their day to day lives they're rampant individ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 05:39 PM |
| -3 | Why do men care if older single women are lonely?A lot of men are unhappy that women are openly exposing themselves as purely hedonistic narcissists. Men generally care about society as a whole more than women do, which is why the neoliberal elites who only care about profit have almost fully switched over to catering exclusively to women and highly feminized men. Women have no higher ideals, women don't care about raising families, women don't care about the future and success of their country, etc. All they care about is being materially sat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 05:29 PM |
| 13 | Why are men turning to the right?Imo one of the biggest reasons is because leftists tend to be skeevy, underhanded assholes who only care about others performatively, but not in reality. The right wing at its core, basically states that the world is a shithole place and people are pieces of garbage, and the best way to combat this is to become wealthy, strong, powerful, etc. If you go super far right all the way to fascism, this is basically an integral component of the ideology; there is ALWAYS a fight around the corner, so it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 07:43 PM |
| 9 | Why are men turning to the right?Cluster B weirdo detected. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 07:33 PM |
| 3 | Why are men turning to the right?Didn't the Nazis have universal healthcare? Who's the nazi now, HA! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 07:33 PM |
| 1 | If wealth is your only USP, then dont complain about gold diggersI agree except I have a hard time imagining a blue pill man getting on a girl for being "too lazy" haha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/24 07:30 PM |
| 2 | If wealth is your only USP, then dont complain about gold diggersIt seems like there's this weird bit of horseshoe theory that happens with red pill and blue pill brokies on this one. The red pill brokie side wants to believe that all these women who care about money/status are just gold digging harpies trying to scam you out of money. The blue pill brokies want to believe that women who go for money/status are just taking advantage of those men and aren't sexually attracted to them at all. Blue pill has the, "yeah she's with you for your money but she actual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 08:03 PM |
| 10 | Male advocacy beyond criticism of feminism and womenSounds like you support class first (or even class only) discussion, which I also strongly agree with. I think identity politics in all its form, including and especially radical feminism, is a huge detriment to the class-based issues that affect and cause problems for the vast majority of people. Idpol is basically just a neoliberal approved outlet for people who aren’t happy with the system to channel their aggression and anger towards politically approved soft targets, like men and whites. It… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/24 02:59 PM |
| 11 | Why do many people like to downplay what men do for their loved ones?Anything that acknowledges men’s’ contributions or struggles undermines the radlib desire to pigeon hole every demographic into the “oppressor” vs “oppressed” dynamic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting womanYeah but resources make sense too since you also need a lot of resources to successfully raise and care for children. It's a balancing act, ultimately. A woman wouldn't want to procreate with a broke giga chad because then their kids will just end up fatherless or homeless or both or worse. On the flip side, they don't want to procreate with some genetically defunct millionaire because then their kids will be regarded. Generally they'll prioritize resources over genes though, since material conc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:34 AM |
| -2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.That's good for you if you find basic domestic chores interesting or exciting. Unfortunately I actually enjoy doing fun things so I can't relate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:33 AM |
| 0 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on this website. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:26 AM |
| 4 | what experiences with women have shaped your view of them?You just have to bundymaxx and you'll get tons of female attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:08 AM |
| 3 | what experiences with women have shaped your view of them?I knew this girl who would simp for this loser dude just because he was good looking and had a rich family, meanwhile she snubbed me at every turn even though I actually treated her well and cared about her. I got the last laugh in the end since she nuked her life with her stupid and self-destructive tendencies but another thing I noticed in that situation was how little she wanted to be held accountable for anything and I think that's at the heart of a lot of these "Chad" relationships; the cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:06 AM |
| 2 | what experiences with women have shaped your view of them?IMO friendships with women can be cool — as long as they don't try to get you to play the quasi-boyfriend role. Have you ever successfully befriended a woman who didn't just blatantly get you to fill the gaps in her relationship? Many times I've been the guy who does cool fun shit with women who have boring, hot, rich boyfriends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:03 AM |
| 2 | what experiences with women have shaped your view of them?Oh no not him, he's the Good Guy™. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 02:02 AM |
| 58 | Does self improvement cause men to become resentful towards women?Haha yeah I know exactly what you mean. When I was in my mid 20s I started making insane money, and went through a phase where I worked out a lot, got in good shape, bought expensive clothes, and started taking every girl I met out on expensive dates. Sure I got laid a bunch and dated some decently hot girls, it was fun. Then as I got older I had the same revelation that you did: that not once did any of my actual personality, character, values, or interests really come into play in any of those… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/24 01:59 AM |
| 2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.It's def some cluster B shit if not a total LARP. Most radlib/radfem trash is a thinly veiled excuse to be a terrible person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 11:33 PM |
| -1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Because you're the same brand of terminally online weirdo. If it walks like a duck and all that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 10:31 PM |
| -2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Yeah, but you're a redditor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 10:27 PM |
| 0 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Women don’t share similar interests, all of my interests are heavily male dominated. I fly airplanes, scuba dive, shoot guns, train martial arts, etc. I’m not saying women are 100% absent in all of these activities they’re just very far and few between. And to make matters worse it’s rare I ever find a woman who is even mildly interested in hearing about or trying out any of those things even if they’re not super into them themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 09:26 PM |
| -1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.It’s because for women a lot of these hobbies are performative or just social time waster activities. I guess I should be fair and say that some art and craft stuff is nice but the other poster was talking about “Hobby Lobby” or whatever and I think it almost always boils down to some sort of trend or social activity at the heart of everything women do. Women rarely if ever just do things for the inherent enjoyment or accomplishment, they’re always doing them to fit in with some group or post ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingFor sure. A lot of what’s talked about here is just demoralization. “Even if you’re rich women won’t find you attractive!” “Statistically women date men similar to their age!” Whatever else. It’s all just intended to discourage men and make them feel like if they weren’t born with peak genetics and didn’t lock down a hot woman at 20-25 they might as well give up on life. Mainstream culture just wants men to give up and become docile, submissive losers who settle for increasingly more demanding a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting womanMakes sense from a strictly biological perspective: women want to pass on the best genes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting womanWomen don't think they're hot. Who cares? If I'm rich and can pull 10/10 pussy every weekend easily do you think I'm going to give a shit if they're just faking being attracted to me? Being NOT rich isn't going to make them attracted either, and it will come with the added downside of not getting ANY 10/10 pussy under any circumstances. This whole line of thinking is pure, unadulterated brokie seethe and cope. "Ya that rich guy might be banging models every weekend but my uggo redditor girlfrien… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting womanJust because women fall for parlor tricks doesn't negate the inherent high valuation of things like wealth. The reason those tricks even work in the first place is because the woman THINKS the man is wealthy, lol. I can give and take on the arguments about muscles/looks/whatever but any argument here that acts like money isn't a huge factor is pure brokie cope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingHaha yeah, sure. Go ahead and try to pay for a first class flight to Tahiti with "social status". Generally one leads to the other, anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:30 PM |
| 0 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Indeed. This thread is hyper-reality, tbh. The real problem is we're operating within the average redditor woman's definitions and interpretations of things like "hobbies" or whatever else which, while they may technically meet the definition, they're going to be obviously lame bullshit that only soys would think is fun or interesting. Like if I met a girl and she told me she's into crocheting I'd stop talking to her immediately. If a girl tells me she's into rock climbing, sailing, hunting, scu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:21 PM |
| -1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.I guess I have to agree, we simply forget that incredibly lame bullshit still counts as "hobbies". When I thought of the word "hobby" I thought of things that are fun. And sure most people can't afford those expensive hobbies but my point is of the people who can, there is a much lower proportion of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:18 PM |
| -1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.I think the problem here is that we definitely were too forgiving and liberal with the definition of "hobbies". This whole argument needs to be reframed to specify hobbies that are interesting, fun, exciting, etc and not incredibly autistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:18 PM |
| 1 | There is a distinct difference between your objective equivalent in terms of status, intelligence, class and appearance - and what women “deem” your value to be in a market where nothing is normal or balancedGood point. It's lonely at the top. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingI said statusmaxxing is real. You can believe your brokie cope, sour grapes interpretation of the dynamic if you want, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:13 PM |
| 3 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadinglow T comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:10 PM |
| 3 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingDon't trust your lying eyes bro, believe what some autistic nerd posted on reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 08:10 PM |
| 0 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingIndeed, it's a good point. Most men max out their earning potential when they're young, so age won't really work in their favor as they'll just go from young and broke to old, ugly, and broke. But as you said, for professionals age does end up corresponding in some way to increased attraction since it takes them a long time to establish their career and start making big money. They go from young and broke to old, ugly, and well off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingExcept "statusmaxxing" is real. Women want to be able to do cool stuff, wealthy men can enable cool stuff in exchange for sex/relationships. The only reason this dynamic isn't as commonly reflected in statistics is simply because most men of any age are brokies, so generally men don't really improve with age. But most men who "make it" do so a bit later in life since it takes so much time to establish wealth in the first place. So it is technically true that age for men doesn't automatically = h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:52 PM |
| 1 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingBecause other than in subs like this where weird autistic people like to argue with each other, the red pill doesn't exist to prove itself to or seek attention from people who disagree with it or don't like it. That's a woman thing, to always frame something based on how popular or agreeable it is with the larger group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading^^^Very autistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleadingIt's all just "don't trust your lying eyes" nonsense, anyway. If you're getting eaten by a shark, statistics that talk about how rare it is to get eaten by a shark are going to be pretty meaningless to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:45 PM |
| 7 | There is a distinct difference between your objective equivalent in terms of status, intelligence, class and appearance - and what women “deem” your value to be in a market where nothing is normal or balancedImo this only gets worse the more you actually improve in your life. I had no trouble with women when I was a brokie because any half decent woman I could get felt like a blessing and sometimes more than I deserved. Now that I'm successful I'm like "alright, finally I can date these beautiful, fun, successful women!! Wait....what? It's still almost all fat mentally ill single moms? Wtf??" Basically dating these days is like most other elements of our society: severely diminishing returns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:37 PM |
| 4 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Yeah, I hear "crafting and birdwatching" is all the rage with young women these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.What do they want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Yeah, felling trees is definitely a field where you can find tons of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:27 PM |
| -2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Yeah, I'm sure your extreme generalization and reductionist view of a popular ideology was actually the logical take here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:24 PM |
| 2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.People who talk like OP are most likely miserable/unsuccessful and are just coping with a LARP. Why would a genuinely successful individual feel the need to try to anonymously go online and "punch down" on what he perceives are a bunch of pathetic, angry losers? They wouldn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:21 PM |
| 3 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.People should match at their level. It should actually be a little bit hard to get a good woman at your level. It should take a bit of work on yourself but also not be impossible. That makes zero sense. If you're matching at your level why would it take work? You don't need to work to be at the level you're already at. The reality is it's hard to match at your "level" because the women at your level aren't looking for you but actually the man a step up from you. Women reach, men inevitably have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:20 PM |
| 0 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Not every round of russian roulette ends with a bullet in the head, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:17 PM |
| 4 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.OP is probably delusional as fuck anyway. It happens all the time that people who talk the way OP does have objectively bad lives and have just OD'd on copium to the point where they can confidently act like they have some great life. That's why he's obsessing over "doomerism", because he hates that red pillers observe and discuss the obvious reality around them vs remaining bunkered in the deluded fantasy he's immersed himself in. I'm sure he thinks his chonker wife is hot too lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:15 PM |
| 0 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Funny how much game these losers talk but that r/antiwork mod getting doxx'd really shows you what these people all look and act like irl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Of course, the dude's an obvious validation/attention seeking weirdo, it's easy to see through the LARP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:08 PM |
| 7 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.All of your criticisms of RP, especially hyper-individualism, are better applied to mainstream shitlib identity politics, which atomized society into small groups all vying for as much attention and validation as possible. RP is just another component of that. As if radlibs/radfems give a shit about "cooperative action" lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.You're over-socialized as fuck. If you really had this great relationship with some great woman why do you give a fuck to talk about any of this shit on a bottom of the barrel reddit sub? Admit it, you married some mediocre ugly chick and now you're doing everything in your power to cope, up to and including validation/attention seeking from strangers online. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 07:01 PM |
| 2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.The real issue is that 80+% of the women in our culture are overweight, mentally ill, and think "crochet" is something a 20-30 year old man would think is an interesting hobby. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:57 PM |
| -3 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Not to mention those are boring granny hobbies lol. Where are all these stronk independent women doing adventurous shit? I fly planes, scuba dive, do adventurous/dangerous things and there are barely any women around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:56 PM |
| 3 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Right? I’m an avid crafter and birdwatcher Perhaps we're not trying to date 80 year old grandmas? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:55 PM |
| 2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.I'm sure in your mind "voluntary interaction" means you get your way all the time no matter what. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:53 PM |
| 2 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.Also perhaps it's because society itself is becoming worse in many ways. People generally don't turn to extremist ideologies when everything is great. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:50 PM |
| -1 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.As for why ‘people pick it up’ - to put it bluntly, it gives lots of men a justification to be misogynists. Ya the men who are lonely and suicidal really just wanted an excuse to be mean to women XD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:49 PM |
| -4 | Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop.That's what I find funny about threads like this, where people act like these movements or ideologies just magically appear out of nowhere. "Everyone was engaged in perfectly healthy relationships and society was flourishing, then SUDDENLY, and with NO WARNING, a bunch of men started subscribing to ideologies that are very critical of women and dating." Left-leaning types rarely if ever make any honest effort to truly understand opposing views. Like the OP saying RP is a "self-fulfilling prophec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/24 06:47 PM |
| 20 | I’m starting to worry that the discourse is pulling me to the Right.Left and right wing trains of thought aren't mutually exclusive. You can be socially right wing but economically left wing. You can even go full nazbol if you really wanted. The right vs left mutually exclusive paradigm where the left are beacons of goodness and morality and rightoids are evil villains is strictly a concoction of modern radical liberalism, which isn't even true leftism anyway. The reality is there are plenty of people out there with right-leaning views who still are left wing in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/24 01:11 AM |
| 3 | A 90% women and 10% men world would be betterSounds based to me. I wish covid killed every man except me + all the ugly women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 05:08 PM |
| 8 | Men who are sure their woman is loyal, wouldn't let their woman be hit on in a bar, by Chad, as an experiment.I feel like discussions like this are impossible to have honestly because no one is going to admit they are fallible and vulnerable to temptation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 05:07 PM |
| 3 | Are there any forms of toxic femininity?I have no interest in associating with antisocial misandrists. Same way that women have no interest in associating with misogynistic incels, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 04:35 PM |
| 3 | Are women "witholding affection from men"?I think it makes sense from an evolutionary point of view. Men are generally "expendable" in terms of population which means they can afford to be more daring or self-sacrificing, as passing on their genes doesn't really rely on their survival after they've impregnated a woman (or several). Women, though, have to carry children for 9 months plus nurture and care for the baby for many years after it's born, which makes them far less expendable and far more motivated to care for their immediate ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 04:32 PM |
| 3 | Are there any forms of toxic femininity?This is still a highly irrational take though because it presumes you have full control over the outcome of your interaction with the bear based on "knowing what to do", yet you believe you have no ability to influence the outcome of your interaction with a human man, an actual member of your own (highly social) species with whom you can directly communicate with. Like this is such a wildly antisocial take I hope it's satire or something. If a man said anything even remotely this crazy about wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 04:29 PM |
| 2 | Are women "witholding affection from men"?Absolutely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 04:26 PM |
| 3 | Are there any forms of toxic femininity?That's a rational decision based on experiences women have with men. For it to be a rational, experience based decision, women would have to be comparing it to experiences they've had with bears, which most women have zero experience with bears. The question was never actually about men vs bears in a realistic, rational sense, it was always about, "what answer signals the correct moral virtue to the in-group I'm currently trying to impress?" which is exactly what u/neinhaltchad is talking about;… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 03:42 PM |
| 2 | Are there any forms of toxic femininity?Indeed and it's because women generally have extremely strong in-group social tendencies. What's good and bad for women is usually what allows them to keep fitting in with the group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 03:40 PM |
| 3 | Are women "witholding affection from men"?I don't think women are individually responsible for this sort of thing, but I do think it is a societally-wide issue to completely neglect and trivialize the effect of modern radical liberalism/feminism on men's mental health and sense of purpose in society. Men are typically externally motivated, meaning we generally only do meaningful or important things to impress/benefit people other than ourselves, usually women. Almost everything men do is to impress women. That's why the meme about men b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 02:31 PM |
| 1 | Men that complain about "asshole dark triad" are just mad they cannot be assholes, manipulate women, and still get laidSure but I think the contention is with the bullshit you hear about how important "personality" is to women, which is obviously demonstrably not true. Women care about physical attraction and/or material benefit. "Personality" is an in-group virtue signal made publicly to demonstrate moral character, but it's largely performative and when push comes to shove, personality means absolutely nothing to almost anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 02:24 PM |
| 1 | Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get marriedImo everyone's horniness decreases with age to some degree so we naturally will shift towards more practical considerations when choosing romantic partners vs just how hot we think they are. I'm sure this sub is dominated by the "attraction = everything" rhetoric primarily because the average age on reddit is like 23 so most people here are still caught up in the horniest stage of their life, which also typically coincides with less practical-mindedness. College kids aren't usually thinking abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/24 02:21 PM |
| 8 | Should we apply Marx to men's issues?I think leftism has largely been coopted by radical liberalism, which focuses almost exclusively on identity politics and not on class issues. While there may have been some overlap with things like feminism/anti-racism/whatever in the past, traditionally leftism is nearly exclusively concerned with class dynamics, probably because those are what actually affect 90-99% of people. But idpol was a very attractive angle to play for left-liberals, especially the more self-serving and narcissistic ki… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/24 02:11 PM |
| 18 | Society is super unforgiving of male incompetence and inaptitude, guys are so used to getting disciplined about everything, but not really getting like the guidance about something, I feel like society has doubled on this problem due to society's current educational neglect of boys/menImo it's because men are blamed for all problems of society, even those that men themselves face. For example if we try to talk about male suicide rates or the family court systems' bias against men or male-exclusive selective service, etc, people will just say that's other men/toxic masculinity/the patriarchy/etc causing those problems for other men. It just reinforces the notion that men are bad and also deserving of the problems they face, since they effectively caused all of them themselves.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/24 02:00 PM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerFor sure. My mom has a great work ethic too and can manage household chores easily even with a job. She visits my place once in a while and will help me do a full cleaning with a steamer and some other stuff (I'll cook us food so I don't feel like a totally useless waste, lol) and I'm a fairly tidy person too but she still makes me feel like a fucking lazy piece of shit with how instantaneously she can clean everything. She can have this place looking showroom spotless in about 1 hour. Makes me … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:55 AM |
| 148 | Throwing Men under the BusI've always thought it was hilarious that people seem to think all men are in some fraternity together. Men are brutally cutthroat and merciless towards one another, especially when it comes to the relationships between higher class people vs lower class, or employers vs employees. At the very worst women still benefit from "benevolent" sexism, being treated like children, which may be a bit degrading but at least they're not commonly discarded like trash the way men are. Radfem especially loves… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/24 03:51 AM |
| – | Realistic standards are the key to successRealistic standards are easier to have when you passport bro to a country where 80% of the women aren't fat, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:43 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerYeah I get that reddit attracts every misfit and weirdo with some apocalyptic story but those aren't indicative of the average experience. Would be like comparing someone who's dad was deployed to an active warzone while the SAHM had to raise one perfect child. Obviously there's exceptions that drastically swing things to the extremes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:37 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerYa well that's real sad for those women. I grew up with a SAHM and she had a good, fulfilling time while my dad slaved away working 12 hour shifts at a brutal factory full of asshole people which crushed his physical and mental health while my mom is still very healthy and in high spirits to this day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:33 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerRight? A lot of women here seem to think every man is working some cushy PMC job. Why don't we get SAHM's to swap places with truckers, railroad workers, factory workers, etc for a few weeks and then see how quick they're running back to their dishwashers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:30 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerThe fact that a full time maid will run your entire household for like 30K a year at a professional level while these reddit suburbanite white bitches would bum off a dude making like 200K a year and act like they're hard done by, is absolutely hilarious to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:29 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerHer break was the whole day she got to spend hanging out in her own house with her own kids while your dad was working at some company surrounded by people who didn't even care if he lived or died. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:28 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerHave you never heard of blue collar jobs? Every man in my entire family worked 12 hour shifts at factories. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:25 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerYeah god forbid a man's wife actually wants to have sex with him, what a tall ask. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:24 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerI think this is understated in general in that so many women are neurotic micromanagers and control freaks and probably cause 90% of their own stress and issues. If I was a SAHD I'd have everything done in like 20 mins and spend the rest of the day teaching my kids about the Roman Empire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:24 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerSomehow they think working + sharing half of the household duties is less difficult than not working and doing all the household duties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:23 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerImagine the days where women had to haul laundry down to a river and hand wash it on a rack only for half their kids to die from some brutal disease after all their hard work? Probably were still happier than these modern women though lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:22 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerIndeed. My dad was a factory shift worker so a lot of times he was sleeping or working during the day but he'd still burn the candle on both ends to do stuff with the family or spend time with us when he could. My mom definitely handled most of the daily domestic duties but my dad did all of the heavier lifting, a lot of the yard work, car maintenance, etc. Luckily my mom was an actually good woman and good mother and not some unappreciative misanthrope and misandrist like half the bitches in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:18 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerBoth me and my husband prefer the days we’re working to the days stuck in the house with kids. RIP to another generation of kids raised by unloving parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:16 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerYeah it's crazy lol. Like someone else pointed out, SAHM is a very modern privilege, and even then only amongst the upper middle-upper class. I could support a SAHM relationship I think, probably comfortably but not like super luxuriously, and I'm in the top 5% of earners in my country. This idea that you're ackshually so hard done by as a SAHM is hilarious. A SAHM in 2024 is essentially a lottery winner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:14 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerPlease. Humans have been taking care of kids in insane conditions for thousands of years and you expect anyone to really believe these suburbanite white woman sob stories? "Oh noooo I changed my clothes!" Yeah sounds grueling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:08 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerYeah and life as a working man also sucks if you fumble everything, fall down the stairs and break all your bones, everyone hates you, your boss fucks your wife, etc, lol. Like I'm sure being a stay at home parent is as apocalyptic for every parent on Earth as it apparently is for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:07 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerIt's not even about hardness in terms of difficulty or mental/emotional taxing, it's just more rewarding, too. My current job is approximately 20X harder and more stressful than my old job but it doesn't feel that way because I like it more. I'd have to assume being a SAHM should be that x100 since you're literally spending all of your time managing your own household and being with your own children. I can't imagine carrying living humans inside your body for 9 months, birthing them, nursing th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:03 AM |
| – | CMV: being a stay-at-home parent is harder than being the breadwinnerthe SAHP gets to dedicate their life to something they truly love: their family. The breadwinner also dedicates his life to his family, but only by spending his time working outside the home, likely in demanding conditions or dealing with asshole people, since his contributions need to be material as well as familial. The real failing when it comes to the happiness of SAHPs are weirdo misanthropes who equate homemaking or childrearing with some form of slavery. My mom was a SAHM for most of my c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 03:00 AM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?At that point why would you care what PPD or any man thinks? If you've gotten yourself deep in a shitty relationship then are you going to not get divorced because you're worried what anonymous strangers might think? And besides that, frankly I find it hard to believe women unknowingly end up with these men that don't "pull their weight". Like wtf did you even find attractive about them in the first place? Do you go to some no pussy having no bedroom cleaning no job having loser's house and be l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 02:15 AM |
| 2 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Haha yeah good point actually, maybe the women I'm thinking of are actually the most insecure of all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 01:47 AM |
| 2 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Yeah fair enough, there's definitely a limit. I think for me it comes down to a woman expressing a little vulnerability and lack of sureness once in a while. I don't like dating women who seem like nothing ever bothers them or gets them down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Money doesn't matter till 30 for MenSure but many women roll the dice and do it anyway. The allure of easy money is too great. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Money doesn't matter till 30 for MenYeah but if you're in your 40s you didn't grow up in a generation poisoned by social media that inflated young women's egos to over 9000 and connected them with millions of simps willing to worship the ground they walk on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 12:57 AM |
| 1 | Money doesn't matter till 30 for MenYeah but even if a woman is making like 60-100K, adding another 60-100K to the household, especially if it's in the form of some simp who basically just gives her all the money, makes a massive difference. When I went from around 60-70K to making 200+ it was like winning the lottery. Women can get that without needing to actually double their own income, all thanks to simps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 12:55 AM |
| 2 | Money doesn't matter till 30 for MenThe struggle imo comes more from the fact that there's not many great women in their 30s or even late 20s in the West right now. If you're a high income earner you feel like you've "made it" and now should finally have access to these great, attractive women who were holding out for a successful guy. Nope, still all fatties :(. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 12:53 AM |
| 0 | Money doesn't matter till 30 for MenMoney probably isn't very important for just getting laid when you're young (unless you're super rich and/or have status to go with it, which girls would love since it means funner parties and more travelling). But yes as both men and women get older, start to settle down, and start focusing on practical things, money can become a major factor in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/24 12:52 AM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Then they should marry those men and live a happy life chilling in a nice house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 11:35 PM |
| 1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Sure but I always specify lower incomes. Equal incomes, sure, I agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:54 PM |
| 2 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Dealing with terminally unhappy women is also relentless and tedious, lol. My whole issue in this thread has been largely about women having no trouble gaining access to a man's income, which is often higher than hers, but cries the blues about some additional chores. Like really if I decidedly outearn the woman what's in it for me if I still have to do a bunch of housework? Also usually when you're in a serious relationship or married you would have to buy a bigger house. If a woman wants to mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:38 PM |
| 2 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Depends on the woman, I suppose. A genuinely good relationship with a good women should be a pretty good addition to your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:32 PM |
| 0 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Imo the only real bulletproof answer to this question is to simply never be vulnerable around women. Be vulnerable around your closest male friends. True bros will always have your back even at your lowest moments whereas women can be fickle if they sense any kind of weakness in you at all. Imo it's fair enough because I find the opposite is sort of true when I interact with women, in that I don't want them to be overly aggressive, masculine, stoic, etc. I like it when a woman opens up and seems… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:23 PM |
| 5 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Gotta sweep for mines. You don't have to disclose your most vulnerable things to a woman you're just getting to know. Test the waters with something less meaningful and if she reacts bad you can assume she won't be supportive for more important things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:19 PM |
| 1 | What should men do to vet if a woman is safe to be vulnerable with?Idk, I kind of like SOME insecurity in a woman. Or maybe more accurately I prefer a woman who is less sure of herself vs overly sure of herself. Extremely overinflated egos is something I hate in women/people in general so maybe it's just an overcorrection. But I find some insecurity/vulnerability attractive because it means I also don't have to be perfect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Why do women's dating frustrations match with what I experience irl?Ya everyone is identical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:15 PM |
| 2 | Why do women's dating frustrations match with what I experience irl?I suppose that's true but it's also true that we aren't playing some strategy video games where we have access to this overview of all the info and just try to make sound tactical decisions. Not to mention a lot of people manipulate or falsely represent themselves, also sometimes you just plain get caught up in the emotions and make rash, impulsive decisions. I'm usually one to agree that people are often the source of their own problems but by the same token, I still think it's a bit unfair to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 10:03 PM |
| 3 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Maybe you're right. This entire gen does feel infantile as fuck sometimes. Like if someone is minorly inconvenienced they act like they just stormed the beaches of Normandy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:59 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Haha I have plenty of money. But it's not as overt as just gold diggers. If all women were straight up and honest about it I wouldn't have an issue, also gold diggers tend to understand the transactional nature of the relationship whereas "normal" women insidiously try to benefit as much from the money as possible while still having tons of demands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:58 PM |
| 6 | Why do women's dating frustrations match with what I experience irl?Yeah I guess that's true but it also implies that being mistreated or meeting bad people is some kind of comeuppance for being a bad person yourself, which is basically the just world fallacy. I personally know of at least a couple of women (distant to me, if you were going to ask why I didn't just hook up with them haha) who were really good people yet ended up with shithead men. Also vice versa. Also sometimes two shitheads end up with each other. You have to at least give people somewhat a be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:37 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Why? Would they not want to make hundreds of thousands of dollars? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:35 PM |
| -1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Women could stop using their partners for free money, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:25 PM |
| 17 | Why do women's dating frustrations match with what I experience irl?Not only that but I've often experienced the issues women claim regarding men, being expressed often in women themselves. Idk maybe there's like 500 of us on both sides that are functional human beings and we're just never in the same place at the same time except when venting here, lol. A lot of women complain about men being immature and not capable of taking care of themselves or other things, or being emotionally stunted, or being abusive/controlling, etc, but honestly I've experienced all o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:23 PM |
| 7 | Since the feminist have discovered the Dog Question. I think we should have the talk.I agree in principle but I'd also be extremely careful of this dog bullshit, for the same reasons the bear bullshit is stupid. Dogs are nice animals but deep down they don't know anything. They "love" you because they literally can't do anything else, they're social species and they've been domesticated and bred to have good traits. Even if you're the biggest piece of shit on earth they'd still "love" you, and that's at the heart of all of these dehumanizing comparisons and attitudes: the fundam… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/24 09:15 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Guess they fucked up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 09:11 PM |
| 1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?I guess that's true. I mean I'm single right now largely due to that reason. Yes I'm also a disagreeable, probably autistic asshole but, other than that I honestly rarely if ever come across women that I feel actually value me for what I bring to the table. I feel like women also believe that but, they tend to have a much easier time walking away from or just avoiding relationships than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:37 PM |
| -1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Well I don't want to doxx myself but they make a lot where I live. But even with that said, someone else here mentioned maybe my ideal relationship is a SAHM or at least a woman who works part time or a very easy job. Honestly that's probably true. To me a huge practical component, outside of obviously enjoying the company of the woman, of getting married is having someone to manage the household. I worry about the bills, she worries about the house. It's traditional but I think it works well. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:35 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?What about all the time I invested gaining the education/skills/connections necessary to get my job and earn that money? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:32 PM |
| -2 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?I'm trying to equalize contributions. If I contribute more financially isn't it only fair she contributes more in other ways? Why is it fine for one person to pay way more than half the bills but it's wrong for the other person to do more than half the chores? I mean forget love/romance for a second and look at things from a practical standpoint: if you have to pay for more than half of everything and still do half the chores, what are you actually gaining from this relationship? Generally speak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:30 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Median is still like 150K though. And just paying for stuff is one of the best reasons to make a lot of money, lol. Why go through the trouble of achieving a high paying, professional career if you're still just gonna grind every day like a brokie? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:16 PM |
| 1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Yeah but what happened to valuing the mental load or whatever else is being discussed in this thread? It's a very mentally draining job with a lot of pressure, don't you think a controller would need to get home and decompress a bit? I mean sure if I was married to another controller or equal earner I can understand because then we both have the same problem and it's only fair to share everything. But you think it'd be reasonable if I married some HR manager or something and she still expected m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:15 PM |
| -1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?I'm just saying that if a man is significantly out earning the woman I don't see it as unfair for her to do a disproportionate amount of household chores. If the incomes and financial contributions are equalized then sure, I can agree with the sentiment that it's not fair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:08 PM |
| 1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?If I married a fellow controller (hard ask, not many women in the field but I would if able), I doubt she'd be doing a disproportionate amount of household work. But, it's also not a very easy comparison to analyze because if I married another controller in my current position and salary level we'd be pulling probably half a mil a year so, I'm sure neither of us would be doing many chores. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:07 PM |
| -1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?I can't think of one couple that has this dynamic where the incomes aren't considerably skewed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:03 PM |
| -3 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Why would you split household chores if you earn more money? Does he split all the bills evenly with you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:02 PM |
| 0 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Why does "equal contribution" not include financial, though? If I out earn my gf/wife by like 2X I'm obviously contributing way more to the household than she is, financially. Why is it unreasonable to expect she does a little more in the way of "household management"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 08:01 PM |
| -2 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?How many couples do you know where the man and woman do the same sort of job making the same sort of money? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:58 PM |
| -4 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Air traffic control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:58 PM |
| – | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Sounds like you're both a couple of infantile weirdos, lol. Your husband sounds like a weakling and you sound like you have a hero complex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:57 PM |
| 4 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?They're probably taking full advantage of the man's hard work in the relationship, too. The only way I could see this argument being valid in any way is if the individuals are making the same money doing essentially the same job, but in those relationships that I've ever observed there isn't much skewing in other areas of life unless they've explicitly agreed to it. Otherwise, you usually have some woman working some busywork fake job making 30K a year whining that her professional husband worki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:54 PM |
| 6 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?There's also a reason women love going into academia or PMC-type jobs; they really hate doing real work. All of the work they do or claim to do is made up nonsense. You don't need some essay explaining a bunch of nebulous bullshit to explain how a railyard worker or a miner or a long haul trucker is busting their ass. But women have to go to these extreme lengths and come up with intelligentsia-type explanations for various things like "emotional labor" or "emotional intelligence" so they can pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:52 PM |
| 3 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Yeah, either that or these reddit women get in relationships with dumb manchildren and then seethe about it online. Like it probably says more about them that they apparently couldn't attract a man that can't what, schedule an appointment or clean a toilet? The shit I do at work is 500X harder than anything mentioned in this thread lmao, these mundane day to day chores are things I could do while sleepwalking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:50 PM |
| -1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Idk, ask the ones that do? Women act like they're enslaved by men and can't just say no or end a relationship. Maybe the reality is that women neurotically micromanage a household due to their own desire for control and not just because the man is "lazy" or incapable? I find the helicopter mom dynamic is far more common than helicopter dad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:47 PM |
| -2 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Why is the standard just "if both partners work"? How do you know they're working and contributing equally? Maybe the woman has an easy job and works less than the man and makes less money? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:44 PM |
| -3 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?What if one person has the easiest job ever and the other has the hardest job? Women typically take busywork white collar jobs, basically just PMC sponges. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:43 PM |
| -6 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?Because we're busy working actual jobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:42 PM |
| 1 | What is emotional labor and how do women do more of it?It's a classic woman thing to act like minor things are insanely hard. They act like using their brains at all means they're some tactical ultra genius micromanaging crazy shit. It's weird you don't see more of them in fields like air traffic control where these elite decision making and management skills could be put to good use, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/24 07:41 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menMore than most. And even if we made the same or even if they made more, together we could double the household income and be millionaires lol. Do you really think there aren’t millions and millions of women out there who would love to date/marry to drastically improve their lives financially? Not every woman is some Reddit radfem socialist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 07:08 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menAnd mine pays more. Way more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 06:02 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menOf course it matters. Women aren’t horny 20 year olds forever. Eventually they start prioritizing practical things like financial stability and access to luxuries. Guess what that requires? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 03:33 PM |
| 0 | Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women?Never listen to women who tell you what “women” want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 01:50 PM |
| -1 | Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women?Basically women want the world and everyone in it to exist for their personal entertainment or enjoyment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 01:49 PM |
| -1 | Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women?No but 99% of them ruin it for the rest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 01:49 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menIt’s almost all about the money you make. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 01:40 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menThat’s a little more than a “late bloomer”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 01:40 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menOf course. The idea of posts like this is probably just to make men who finally made it feel like they’re actually doomed and give up. Think about the implication: say you are a “late bloomer” but now you’re very successful in life, and you’re thinking “great now I can live up to these expectations women have” but then OP is like “um ackshually even though you’re well off and accomplished we don’t want you anymore because you weren’t well off and accomplished ten years ago”. Fortunately irl ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 12:35 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menThis is just rage bait crap. There’s plenty of “late bloomer” men and women in this generation because of how society pushed everyone into higher education (and debt). Women like OP are prolly 5/10 women at best thinking they’re going to be marrying some elite 22 year old hustler who got his entire life together at that age when that’s like 5% of men now lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 12:30 PM |
| – | Women should avoid dating late bloomer menDon’t worry, “late bloomers” can just use their STEMbucks to passport bro and get women who won’t blimp out at 35 like all the women in this thread will 🤣. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 12:27 PM |
| -8 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyThey're patriarchal traditionalists who oppose almost every culturally degraded aspect of western individualism and shitlibbery that I hate. But nah I hate them....for reasons...lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyFirst of all, ideology =/= personality, which is strikingly apparent as the vast majority of liberals are terrible people to associate with and be around, especially the intelligentsia and PMC types. Secondly, positive or at least stable birth rates are required to simply continue existing. None of your ideology or "superior arguments" mean shit if you're not physically present on Earth to espouse them. And with the rise of right wing populism + the low birthrates in progressive cultures, people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:31 PM |
| 0 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyCongrats, I'm sure you alone can flip our birthrates into the positive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:29 PM |
| -5 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyIt's all rights no responsibility. If the western progressive way was the correct way, why do we rely on population life support from poor countries who do not follow these ways? Why do you feel morally justified in outsourcing procreation to poor countries where the women have zero rights and are basically just baby factories? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:15 PM |
| -3 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyI love Muslims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyWho says I struggle with dating? I have strong oppositions to our current political and economic systems even though I succeed within it, and I also have strong oppositions/issues to our current dating culture even though I have (moderately) succeeded within it. My main grievances with dating here in the West are the same basic issues I have with our current economics regardless of my individual success; the effort required for minimal result is drastically skewed out of proportion. I make excel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyI say the same thing about poor people but people keep insisting to me that just because I make 200K+ per year, some people out there actually are having a hard time making enough money to live comfortably. Doesn't seem right to me though, the poverty rate is only like 10% and none of my friends are poor. Probably just seething losers who didn't pay attention in school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 10:50 PM |
| 0 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyThe article says single, "dormant", romantically uninvolved. So if it's voluntary it's not because they're just giga-chading and fuckboi-ing around, it's because they've simply given up because they don't have time and/or it's not worth the effort. I get peak "let them eat cake" vibes from most people on this sub, tbh. It's funny how drastically out of touch most people really are when it comes to the struggles the vast majority of men and even a sizable component of women have when it comes to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyYou could easily point to half a dozen other actually quantifiable social metrics over dating. Which neither you nor anyone else in this thread will actually do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:55 PM |
| -1 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyThe average person isn’t having trouble dating. Lol. Lmao even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:54 PM |
| -15 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of society"We" won't do anything. Shitlibs such as yourself will simply fizzle out of existence with your negative birthrates, and all the people of the world who still practice what OP is talking about will procreate and continue on without you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:53 PM |
| -7 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyWelp we might have to bring in millions of people from poor countries (who practice strict religious traditionalism when it comes to marriage which is one reason they have surplus population to send here in the first place), but it's all worth it as long as some western shitlib woman has more "rights". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyWho fucking cares? Do we base everything we think about society on random exceptions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:50 PM |
| 4 | Dating (not "modern dating", dating in general) has been a failure, and is leading to the downfall of societyI hate these kinds of replies that are like "NOT NECESSARILY!!" as if there aren't drastically observable patterns we can observe. It's as if half the people on reddit have never heard of the concept of a "trend". Yes I'm sure there were cultural and time period variations and nothing lined up 100% perfectly with what OP is saying, but it's CLEAR AS FUCK to anyone who has researched older generations or other cultures that the circumstances and societal views surrounding marriage, dating, and pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 09:49 PM |
| 1 | If men spent more time working on themselves instead of chasing women and trying to get laid, they would be a lot better off.Ya well I think that's why so many women have pets or pursue social justice pet causes. They offload their social/maternal instincts and responsibilities onto anyone but male romantic partners lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:08 PM |
| 1 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”No, it's not that everyone should agree with me, it's that reasonably consistent markers of health, good character, and aesthetic appeal should be the STANDARD for attractiveness. I have no problem with people with non-conventional standards of attraction, they just shouldn't be the norm like they are becoming now. Ask yourself in all honesty, try to forget about the bullshit reddit virtue signaling PC hivemind: if you could live in a society that was only 20% fat instead of 80% fat, for example… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 03:37 PM |
| 1 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”Sure, it could be argued that. But my ideas for physical attractiveness stem from markers of things like good health, physical fitness, some level of discipline/impulse control, etc, all of which are fairly objectively good things. There will always be people who just disagree for the sake of disagreeing but you'd be hard pressed to argue that conventionally attractive women aren't usually desirable beyond just pure aesthetics (better mental/physical health, better fertility, etc). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 03:23 PM |
| 0 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”I’m saying if someone believes they’re dating a very hot girl when she’s not, anything I say probably isn’t going to change their perception. The accuracy of their perception is irrelevant to that though | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 02:48 PM |
| 2 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”Because it drives up standards/expectations for everyone. Wouldn’t matter if it was only an occasional thing but on dating apps all the fat single moms have absurd expectations and it’s because they can actually get them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 02:47 PM |
| 1 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”Because it drives up standards/expectations for everyone. Wouldn’t matter if it was only an occasional thing but on dating apps all the fat single moms have absurd expectations and it’s because they can actually get them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 02:47 PM |
| 0 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”No but that could be said of most people’s delusions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 02:17 PM |
| 2 | How can we actually properly talk about men's issues?A lot of the modern left cares about identity politics and within identity politics, which is always exclusively framed from the "oppressor vs oppressed" viewpoint, men are designated "oppressors". Also since idpol fundamentally groups all people within a category as having the same core values and issues (no nuance afforded for rich/poor, popular/unpopular, ugly/attractive, etc) even men who are legitimately struggling and being hurt by our system, culture, and by women, are categorized as "pat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 01:48 PM |
| -1 | As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.”Yeah I fully agree, and the delusion actually bothers me to a huge degree lol. So many times I've heard guys bragging like they're some giga alpha chad who scored some 10/10 supermodel and it's a literal uggo. If men had even half of a standard a lot of modern dating issues would probably be resolved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 01:44 PM |
| 3 | doing "hobbies" together?Lol, so true. I've found it pretty hard to find women who actually have very interesting or adventurous hobbies, although I'm sure the same could be said for most men as well. Only problem is when you go to a lot of spaces dedicated to these kinds of things, you don't typically find a lot of women, or the ones that are there aren't necessarily single/interested in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 01:21 PM |
| 11 | If men spent more time working on themselves instead of chasing women and trying to get laid, they would be a lot better off.I think a lot of men are motivated by what they’re able to do for women/society/their family/etc. without those things you’d basically just be working hard to make more money to spend on hedonistic consumptions which is fun for a while but eventually the novelty wears off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:56 AM |
| – | Double standards and jealousy of "Passport Bros" in the USA.Women don't like it when men go overseas and get the same level of attention and validation that they get here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 11:56 PM |
| – | Let’s talk about financial abuse.As a man you'd have to be stupid to enter into a stay at home wife/mom relationship these days. The dominant culture right now is strongly leaning towards vilifying men in these relationships and trying to hold them or all of society responsible for the lack of "career development" the woman had when she "sacrificed" her opportunities to do the oh so horrible task of staying at her own home raising her own kids. The horror. The thing that people in these arguments never seem to consider is the f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Guys are not bad at sex-- you areYeah I just learned to never give a shit. I've been with girls who had no trouble enjoying themselves with me, and others who acted like I was terrible in bed. Maybe I was. Do I care? Not one bit, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 09:05 PM |
| – | If your partner cheats is the person they cheated with responsible as well?Imo yes, it’s antisocial behavior. Why would you participate in an interaction you know will likely result in a great deal of harm coming to another person? Are you that desperate for attention you can’t just find your own guy/girl? It’s a pathetic indulgence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 08:03 PM |
| 1 | How the "situation" would be if males had the same libido as women?If I had low or no sexual attraction to women I simply would be rich as fuck. I’d live in a small bachelor pad with a tv, an Xbox, a chair, and a bed and save like 260K a year till I was a multimillionaire then retire in Thailand or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Would you rather be emotionally vulnerable with a woman or a tree?Obviously the tree. Can’t stick my dick in the woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 07:47 PM |
| – | Women's attraction based on career and income is weird.Financial stability and disposable income alone is a huge draw. It blows me away that some redditors believe women wouldn’t love to marry a man that basically doubles or triples the household income. Nah actually women don’t like living in nice houses or going on nice trips 🤣 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 02:56 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Men do not date younger women because women their age won’t date themExcept this barely ever happens. Young, attractive women are extremely high value, they’re not typically going to date or marry a loser. I might agree with you if we’re literally talking about like 16-18 year olds but I think that’s disingenuous. When older men say they want a younger woman they usually mean like 25 years old. A mentally/emotionally adult woman but who is still at her physical prime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 09:17 PM |
| 2 | What is more important, status or money?Horniness dies down eventually in both men and women anyway. People here talk like women are always going to be thinking like horny 20 year olds. Obviously wealthy men are a far more attractive overall option as partners because of their ability to provide stability and luxury. It’s such a simple concept you have to be on some giga tier copium to deny it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 08:33 PM |
| 2 | The answer to misandry is a passportSure, I agree. I’m all about passport broing strictly for the numbers advantage alone, irrespective of any other factor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 08:08 PM |
| 3 | The answer to misandry is a passportDepending on your standards for women it’s also basically just pay to win. Say you prefer thin, feminine women who have more conservative personalities. That’s like 5% of the female population of Canada or USA but like 30-50% of the female population in any number of eastern countries. And if you live in a smaller country like Canada you can go to a country like Japan, China, or Korea where the total number of women is also many times higher than back home, giving you an inherent odds advantage … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 08:00 PM |
| – | Women deserve to knowPair bonding isn’t a load of crap. Humans have the longest gestation period and longest childhood development stage of, if I’m not wrong, literally any animal on earth. It makes absolutely no sense from a practical standpoint to have anything other than pair bonded relationships unless you substitute it for some sort of communal child rearing which I suppose also works but, imo is still far closer to pair bonding than the alternatives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:33 AM |
| 3 | Wanting less competition for elite or high status jobs is what really behind the sudden tradwife push in some manosphere spacesSometimes women will "share" chads vs actually settle down and commit to a sub-chad. There's a reason why women are having way more sex than men even though we're both 50% of the population; because a small group of men are sleeping with a large group of women. This is part of that power dynamic you originally mentioned. It's not always men wanting power in terms of dominance and control, it's also just power in terms of being able to command and hold the attention and desire of a woman without … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 11:29 PM |
| 6 | Wanting less competition for elite or high status jobs is what really behind the sudden tradwife push in some manosphere spacesWomen don't always marry "Chad" though. Chads are like 5% of the male population, they're usually casual flings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 11:23 PM |
| 4 | Wanting less competition for elite or high status jobs is what really behind the sudden tradwife push in some manosphere spacesA lot of times, for sure. Usually a man will genuinely enjoy the company of the woman for who/what she is, often connected to her beauty or kindness. Women don't often view men this way and instead look at them from a more practical standpoint. So if the woman makes a lot of money it's a lot easier for them to just drop a man at the first sign of something not going perfectly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 10:57 PM |
| 9 | Wanting less competition for elite or high status jobs is what really behind the sudden tradwife push in some manosphere spaceson the flip side: the higher a woman's income, the less she values a man in any meaningful way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 10:33 PM |
| – | If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them?Imo if women want to be equal they should just simply be equal. Being equal means sometimes not getting your way, it means getting treated poorly, it means competing with others and losing, etc. A lot of women want society to accommodate their wants and needs out of an inherent sense of worth, but those things usually come with tradeoffs. Children are a good example: we protect children and don't hold them as accountable for their actions, but the consequence is they have less autonomy. Women in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 04:48 PM |
| – | Hypersensitivity and personal accountabilityImo the true underlying issue that can be connected to a lot of problems like this whole gender or culture war is basically the lack of community-oriented goals. People are becoming extremely atomized individuals who give absolutely no shit about anyone else or about society as a whole. Radfem is a component of this but plenty of men are also guilty of the same sort of bullshit, it's just that things like radfem/idpol tend to hyper-focus on atomization by splintering everyone into sub-groups and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 01:41 PM |
| 5 | TRP will not solve your problemsJust equal to me in most meaningful/measurable ways. Similar level of physical attraction, similar education, similar income level, etc. Most of the women I've met that fit this criteria are either already married or not interested in me (usually because they're interested in a higher status or more attractive man). Before you immediately use that as an opportunity to say, "they're just not interested in you because you're a piece of shit", I get plenty of interest from women "below" these stand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 03:15 AM |
| 2 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Sure, and society could easily decide, if it wanted to, that biology shouldn't serve as the exclusive basis for matching people for relationships. Society can pretty much decide anything it wants, there's no "rule" on what it can and can't do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 03:14 AM |
| 3 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.You're just appealing to direct observations of facts, what's known as the "is-ought fallacy". Just because something is one way doesn't mean it inherently implies a directive to go with it. Your initial premise was that shit's not fair, biology. That logic can easily be applied to many things. You haven't provided a meaningful or compelling argument as to why we should societally override men's biological inclinations to physically dominate/control women, but not women's biological inclinations… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 03:06 AM |
| – | Question about buying attractionEven if it is "looks/personality", it's again based on the fact that they're a high value woman who is being ultra-selective lol. For some reason people on this sub just refuse to accept the fact that women have extremely high standards and go for higher value men. Why is that such a hard concept to acknowledge? Women generally are happier single than in relationships so what motivation would they ever have to settle? They have every reason to approach dating in an "all or nothing" fashion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 03:02 AM |
| 4 | TRP will not solve your problemsAll it takes is five seconds of thought to understand the point I was making. Let's take a hypothetical man who is reasonably physically attractive and makes 200K a year. Now imagine a woman who is reasonably physically attractive and makes 200K a year. Do you honestly think on average that woman is perfectly willing to match with that man? Even just using your own statement regarding not-fat men being 20% or less of society, think about how few women have standards for men that are exclusively … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:59 AM |
| 2 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.That's irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:52 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There are arguable equal number of women who hate men as men who hate womenSo who taught all the wild animals that fight each other daily to "hate"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:48 AM |
| 2 | CMV: There are arguable equal number of women who hate men as men who hate womenWhere do you people think "society" even comes from lol? Are humans mystical metaphysical beings who just foist "culture" and "society" on the natural world? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:47 AM |
| 2 | CMV: There are arguable equal number of women who hate men as men who hate womenImo it's way higher. I honestly think the number of women who genuinely enjoy the company of men is less than like 10% of all women. For the vast majority of women, men exist purely to satisfy their sexual and/or material needs. The vast majority of women would be more than happy just being single or having a pet vs dating men. Just look at the statistics and the science, it supports this notion: women are happier single than in relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:43 AM |
| 6 | TRP will not solve your problemsAnything that's wrong must be wrong. Nothing you've said contradicts the point that applying any standards to women immediately results in you having to seek out the top 10-20% of women. The fact that women also have to do the same thing isn't anywhere near a refutation of this point and was in fact part of my argument in that women are EVEN MORE selective towards men, lol. Like what point did you even think you were making with that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:36 AM |
| 0 | TRP will not solve your problemsYeah it's easy to dismiss because as you immediately demonstrated, it's all founded on trash argumentation like 'the same applies for women seeking "not overweight men"' which is completely irrelevant to everything I'm talking about. I literally already point out the fact that most women are vying for, in my words, "the top 5% of men", as part of MY argument lmao. You pointing out women are limited to 20% of men is just repeating exactly what I was already saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:33 AM |
| 0 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Yes men pursue those standards but they're constantly being challenged by the current culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:31 AM |
| 2 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.I'm against both capitalism and bootstrapping mentality applied to dating so, at least I try to be somewhat ideologically consistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:24 AM |
| 3 | TRP will not solve your problemsAny data that suggests that is obviously skewed or misrepresenting things. Just having the simple standard of "not overweight" limits you to 20% of women only in Canada/USA. Add literally any other standard aside from that and you're already sub-20% of the female population, lol. This is part of the problem: that the "top tier" of women are basically women held to remotely any standards whatsoever. And what do you even mean "unsuccessful"? Unsuccessful at finding a good woman? Yeah, obviously. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:20 AM |
| 8 | TRP will not solve your problemsI think you're underrating the tendency for women to try to punch above their weight class. But at the very least, they rarely if ever date down, whereas many times men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:15 AM |
| -1 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.It's not ridiculous, this whole mindset is obviously a facet of rampant individualism wherein every person only cares about their own immediate desires with no regard for any overarching impacts to society as a whole. And modern feminism has existed almost exclusively to fight against "gender norms" and "toxic masculinity" which largely composes men's "standards" like desiring young women, not fat women, feminine/submissive women, etc, so don't act like men are "completely free to act on their s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:14 AM |
| 1 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.The only thing on that list that disproportionately affected women is childbirth deaths which, like sure but you'll have to take that one up with god lol. It's not like men forced women to die in childbirth. Everything else easily applied to most men. You think peasant men owned land or held positions of power? Wealthy aristocratic women did hold power, even if it was less than men or less often. Class structures have always had a way higher impact on material outcomes than shit like gender/sex.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 02:11 AM |
| 7 | TRP will not solve your problemsA lot of that will overlap. It's not like some average joe or brokie is going to be in a high value woman's 10% unless she has some insanely niche interests that he happens to fulfill. I think we all like to think we have such unique interests but the reality is humans as a whole are pretty predictable. And yes it is a struggle for men and women but it's a struggle for women because they'll only settle for the best possible man, and it's a struggle for men because we're often not that man. Women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:56 AM |
| – | Here's an interesting thought experimentImo this dynamic would force women to have reasonable standards. One of the main reasons women have insane standards for relationships is because they can easily have sex at any time. So, they basically get the best of both worlds: they can wait for the perfect man to date or marry, while simultaneously satisfying all of their sexual urges with easily accessible casual sex. Men don't typically have this option. For many, probably most, men, the only reliable way to have sex is to date seriously.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:51 AM |
| 6 | TRP will not solve your problemsI agree in principle but I honestly just find the effort it takes to be demoralizing at this point. It's sad how impossible it gets the second you develop even a hint of a standard for anything. I had most of my best luck passport-broing tbh because at the absolute very least you could reliably find a not-overweight woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:46 AM |
| 3 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.It was also biology when men used physical superiority to subjugate women and prevent them from having equal rights. Shouldn't the feminists of the time just accepted that and been happy about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:30 AM |
| 1 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Lol no they weren't. 99% of men and women were both treated like disposable cattle for most of history. Only major difference is men were far more immediately disposable, as in being sent to die in wars, than women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:29 AM |
| 1 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.All that shit happened to 99% of men, too. Men were enslaved, sent to war, etc. Only the top 1% elite men ever had real power and autonomy for the vast majority of human history, and probably around 0.5% of women did, too. All these radfem identity politics talking points are worthless compared to class issues, unless you think the Queen of England was oppressed by some male peasant lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:28 AM |
| 2 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.No chance. Even chimps are hierarchical/patriarchal. Primitive humans just didn't have as blatantly structured or institutionalized roles so it might not be as obvious, but if you think men and women did/do the exact same things in H&G tribes you're deluded as fuck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:26 AM |
| 1 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Classic radfem tbh. If men are succeeding in any way it's toxic masculinity, patriarchy, capitalism, etc and must be destroyed. If women are succeeding in any way it's because women are hardworking kweens getting everything they deserve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:24 AM |
| 2 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Of course, they hate societal outcomes that aren't 100% in their favor and love ones that are, regardless of any ideological inconsistencies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:23 AM |
| 0 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Because anyone who isn't a purely narcissistic individualist would try to analyze how these dynamics affect society as a whole, and if they're healthy or not. Women sure have no problem doing this shit when it comes to "toxic masculinity" or "gender norms" but suddenly they're checked out and all for rampant individualism when anyone tries to get women to collectively acknowledge or take accountability for anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:20 AM |
| 5 | I disagree that women’s dating preferences show entitlement, however I think it is unfair that men can’t as easily demand the same.Goes to show you how performative a lot of the grandstanding women do really is. They're all about "equality" and "checking privilege" when it comes to whatever token social issue they're virtue signaling about for social credit, but the second they have to even acknowledge any "privilege" of their own they immediately say, "fuck it who cares". Honestly in terms of greater societal issues I really don't see how anything even remotely approaching a left-leaning/community based restructuring of so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:18 AM |
| 20 | TRP will not solve your problemsMy biggest frustration is the lack of decent women. So many men are so desperately scrambling for table scraps it's skewed this whole idea of dating to make it sound like all men who are struggling with women are simply not getting any dates at all. I could get a date tomorrow with a mediocre woman if I wanted, easily. The problem is trying to find a woman who is a proper match for you, overall. Dating is so heavily skewed in favor of the top 5% of men that it makes it impossible for virtually a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:15 AM |
| – | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?Women within the same social circle as you, maybe. Women outside of that don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:08 AM |
| 1 | What does a top 20% man look like?Then how did Zuckerberg, Musk, and Bezos pull? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:07 AM |
| 0 | What does a top 20% man look like?Same goes for women which is why passport broing makes so much sense. If you stay stateside and want an attractive woman you're already eliminating like 80% of the female population on weight alone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:06 AM |
| 1 | What does a top 20% man look like?It's because you have standards. It's easy for any above average man to get a girlfriend. It's not easy to get one who is even remotely close to your equal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:05 AM |
| – | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?Who gives a fuck lol? No one cares what some cluster b redditor woman thinks of women who like "bullies and assholes". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?What even is "not boring" to you? Every time I hear/see a woman say this sort of thing it's never actually mentioned what constitutes "great personalities" in the eyes of women. Because personally I've engaged in many activities most people would likely label as "interesting", "exciting", etc, and they're typically devoid of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?The fact that Ted Bundy got love letters eliminates this entire topic of conversation. "Personality" is never even meaningfully defined in these threads, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?No they're not, they're often outwardly terrible and unlikeable people. What they do is capitalize on women with extreme daddy issues who pathologically seek out men that effectively mirror whatever abuse or neglect traumatized them as kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?What is "fun" and "interesting" to women? I've engaged in plenty of adventurous pursuits ranging from flying airplanes to scuba diving and these activities are all heavily male dominated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:51 AM |
| 7 | Why should a man focus on building up his personality(as long as he has basic social skills) when there are 4 or 5 other factors that are more important to attracting a woman?So true. The Halo Effect does like 90% of the lifting when it comes to "personality". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:50 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?It's not actually true. The reason men like this have trouble with women is because they have actual standards. I'd bet my life in less than a heartbeat, that 99% of the women posting all this picky bullshit in this thread would love to date a guy like the one described in the OP even if he was some boring autist. Techbros literally get married all the time lol. The thing is, like 80-90% of women in this thread, the vast majority of women with high standards are not very attractive, interesting,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:45 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?Answer: Because 80% of the women in this country are fat, lol. If you have any physical standards whatsoever you're already eliminating that many women and are now competing for the top probably 10-15% of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:42 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?It doesn't actually happen, this is a brokie giga-cope. Everyone loves the underdog fantasy that they can pull some ultra hot, smart, successful girl just by being "fun" or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:39 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?Actually he probably wasn't psycho enough. Ted Bundy allegedly received hundreds of love letters in prison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:38 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?Dude just needs to passport bro. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:32 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?It was but it's not like social venues are very reliable or even accessible anymore. Went bar hopping with a few friends not long ago and every place we went to was either dead or was very closed off (like everyone was at private tables, no mingling, etc). Sure it's one anecdote but you can't tell me people are as social now post-pandemic as they were in the past. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:30 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?A lot of social activities are basically dead these days, too. I was at one of this area's more half decent bars a few weeks ago on a saturday night and it was me and three other dudes in the entire place. I know there are still some active locations but generally speaking things have fucking died, especially after the pandemic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:28 AM |
| – | Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him?Men generally have to date down. The reason "Jake" is having issues is because he's expecting to meet a woman that matches his total "value" in terms of all categories: looks, success, being interesting, etc. Unfortunately that's not how it works. He might get lucky and get to pick a woman who excels in ONE of those categories, but he'll have to settle in other ways. Look at the types of women super rich men date: they tend to be either one note supermodels, or mediocre looking but successful wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:25 AM |
| 3 | Are married men happier and more successful because they’re married or are they married because they’re happier and more successfulThere's this weird trend of women marrying manchildren and then using it as some sort of weird validation for them knowing how to do basic stuff. Like you could have just married a functional adult (maybe none of them wanted to be with you?). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:20 AM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityThat's right, I could, and you'll have to make up more deluded fantasies about me to preserve what remains of your pathetic ego. You desperately want me to be some ugly loser so you don't have to confront the reality that you're the waste of life. Probably a fat bitch, too. 80% of western women are so that's a safe bet lol. Go stuff your worthless face more, I have some actual work to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:09 AM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininitySome men are definitely selfish for sure but men are also more likely to sacrifice their personal well being to do important jobs. Look at how few women are in core industries like logistics, agriculture, energy, etc. All important jobs with extreme working conditions. Some of them pay well, sure, but a lot of them require major sacrifices to things like personal life and health. Women are nowhere to be found in these industries. Women almost exclusively want cushy PMC jobs where they get paid t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:03 AM |
| – | The Truth about tate.Way to misread what I said. I'm calling attention to the fact that every woman who doesn't follow your bullshit hivemind antics gets called an "uncle tom" more or less. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:01 AM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityThe thing is I have no inclination to prove myself to you because I know I could flex on you so fucking hard if I wanted, but you're not worth the trouble. I know exactly what I am and what I contribute to society, and it's infinitely more than your worthless ass could in 10 lifetimes. That's why you're getting so defensive and projecting so hard, because I struck a thread and called you out. You know deep down whatever you do is pathetic and a waste of time so you're clinging desperately to thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Question about buying attractionIt's hilarious to me that you think professional level women are dating down. Sure it happens occasionally but not the majority of the time. They're looking for men at or above their level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are entitledAbsolutely, they're all mostly overweight, effeminate weaklings. But this is all a product of modern feminism and neoliberalism. Traditionally masculine men aren't encouraging other men to become vapid consumers and losers. It's probably 20% of men doing anything at all, and maybe 1% of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:53 PM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininity"Ambitions of your own" literally selfish individualists lol. Who cares about the needs of the community right? It's all about what short term hedonistic and materialistic pursuit you want to indulge in, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:46 PM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityThey rarely if ever actually do. Most of the time women fantasize about those things but when push comes to shove they bail. There are some exceptional women that could do those things, and exceptions have always existed throughout all of history. But I've worked blue collar and dangerous jobs most of my life and women were nowhere to be found, and the few that were around constantly leaned on simps to alleviate their workload. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:44 PM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityHow does it feel being such a pathetic waste that you act as a cheerleader to some ignorant bitch on reddit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:38 PM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityLmao you have absolutely no idea what jobs I've done or where I've been. Every job I've done has been male dominated and I used to drive trucks which is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Not a fuckin woman in sight except the lot lizards, which is probably where you'd fit in. Or just a useless PMC parasite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/24 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a bear or with a woman who believes it’s morally ok to falsely accuse men of rapeSomeone who is saying that sort of thing earnestly is doing so because they've given up. The real question you should be asking is, what caused so many men to give up in the first place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Do women decide what masculinity is?Sure but I think we're in a transition point between the two dynamics, which is why you still see some of the conservative type. But things are trending in the "Bonobo" direction more than the conservative one, which is why you see a lot of sudden right wing populism cropping up; it's essentially the death throes of the old ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:44 AM |
| -1 | Do women decide what masculinity is?I think that's exclusive to the elites now. The average women reward docility and obedience over dominance and status. Women want to be in charge, they don't want men like that anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:38 AM |
| 1 | Do women decide what masculinity is?I think your argument is sound, and I think the classic chimpanzee vs bonobo dynamic is relevant here: Chimpanzees are patriarchal, and also routinely engage in violent competition. Females are largely subordinate to males, often due to violence. Bonobos are matriarchal, and the females control male behavior with access to sex. The physical strength differences between sexes are far less pronounced, and male bonobos are generally far more docile/submissive than chimpanzees. Imo in the past we mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:36 AM |
| 3 | The Truth about tate.Weird how the women who like men like Tate are suddenly "unwell" or "uneducated". I guess any woman that doesn't conform to the reddit hivemind gets their woman card revoked? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:20 AM |
| 2 | The Truth about tate.It literally feels like the twilight zone constantly. It's impossible to trust anything literally anyone ever says, lol. Everything is a scheme, everything is a ploy to win an ideological battle, nothing said is ever true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:18 AM |
| 5 | Men are entitledYou're just declaring something in an axiomatic sense without demonstrating a compelling argument behind it. Which is of course very convenient for justifying your survival of the fittest mindset towards unsuccessful men, but not very compelling from a logical standpoint. A woman being treated like a second class citizen is everyone’s problem, because if we’re not all equal under the law, no one is. Explain how a woman being disallowed from getting an abortion effects or threatens me in any mean… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 12:03 AM |
| 6 | Men are entitledI disagree. Those things are all also personal problems. A woman not being allowed to get an abortion is a personal problem for that woman that affects me in zero ways. Why should I care? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:55 PM |
| 4 | Men are entitledIt's probably largely because the elites of society are pretty much in league with this stuff since it's highly profitable for them to have women part of the PMC with high purchasing power (since women are rampant consumers). Neoliberal elites also love women because women are very much not loyal to anything (see: war brides throughout all of history). They're the perfect vessels to fuel individualism and consumerism, and so the elites ensure that anti-radfem sentiments are suppressed with great… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:54 PM |
| 5 | Men are entitledSure, we have one of the longest gestation periods AND one of the longest periods of childhood of any species on Earth. Combine the two, and it's practically impossible to successfully propagate the species without long term pair bonding and social cooperation. Individualist species can just lay eggs or pop out a fully functional animal that can run away. This has all been subverted by modern neoliberalism where all social functions have been coopted by the government and procreation/childrearin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:51 PM |
| 3 | Men are entitledI guess you shouldn't. But why should I care about poor people, minorities, or women's rights? None of those things affect me at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:48 PM |
| 5 | Men are entitledWomen just want the entire world to cater to their every need and want without ever actually contributing anything of real value. They just want men as beasts of burden; subservient animals that do all the hard labor and die in all the wars while they sit in air conditioned offices virtue signaling about oppression on reddit. Academia and the PMC is becoming dominated by women and it's absolutely no surprise to me at all. It's almost poetic to me how radfem only really gave a shit about the uppe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:46 PM |
| 3 | Men are entitledWhat value do women actually contribute to modern western society? Women here exist primarily as vapid consumers. They're extremely valuable to neoliberal elites who want to maximize profits. But to the rest of us? They do very, very few of the hardest, most dangerous, or most essential jobs in society, and now they don't even bother to get married or have children (so we have to outsource reproduction through immigration). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Men are entitledWhy is it society's responsibility to satisfy your wants and needs but no one else's? Why do men have to care what women want at all? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:40 PM |
| 8 | Men are entitledIn a social species with a 9 month gestation period, it absolutely is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:37 PM |
| 3 | Men are entitledHow far do we have to go to accommodate women, though? We live in the safest countries in the safest times of human history. All that's happened is women are becoming insufferably demanding and out of touch. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:36 PM |
| 6 | Men are entitledThis is how you know these types of people are purely full of shit. They're 100% about bootstrapping, social Darwinism, and survival of the fittest when it happens to fall in their favor. All of their appeals to egalitarianism, empathy, etc are performative token gestures intended to signal correctly to their ingroup, not because they genuinely believe it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:30 PM |
| 4 | Men are entitledNo, we're just talking about politically approved targets of apathy and bootstrapping. If we were talking about special interest groups we'd have to use Empathy™ and Compassion™. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 11:29 PM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityI’ve noticed this is basically a response most women have, which can be summed up as “not my problem lol”. I guess I always feel burned by this attitude because financially I’m easily in a “got mine, fuck you” position yet I try to sympathize with those less fortunate and support leftist ideals of wealth redistribution etc. but interacting with your average western woman, it’s pretty hard to justify caring about people that give absolutely zero shits about equality or general well being as long … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.No one cares what a simp thinks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 10:36 PM |
| 3 | The brouhaha over the bear is not about misandry or risk. It’s about who is allowed to criticize male behavior or have a negative reaction to it (hint: not women)lol. Lmao even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 07:14 PM |
| 3 | The brouhaha over the bear is not about misandry or risk. It’s about who is allowed to criticize male behavior or have a negative reaction to it (hint: not women)Yeah, exactly. The fact that you dipped out of that instantly shows you inherently know what’s wrong with irrationally fearing a group of people. You only excused it before because “men” in general are a politically approved target for bigotry, whereas “black men” are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 07:04 PM |
| 2 | The brouhaha over the bear is not about misandry or risk. It’s about who is allowed to criticize male behavior or have a negative reaction to it (hint: not women)Just imagine it was a black man specifically, that should help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:57 PM |
| -1 | What is required for women to really enjoy sexIf this thread is any indication: far too much to be worth the trouble, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:55 PM |
| 0 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.You’re not understanding the dynamic. Being “picky” is only possible when you have an over abundance of choices. Starving people aren’t picky about food, rich people who can eat any food in the world are. Same sort of dynamic. Your pickiness is enabled artificially by easy access to thousands and thousands of men, driving up the standards. This is the exact same dynamic that makes it so hard to get a decent paying job these days (globalized economy = higher competition for jobs = lower pay and/o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.That logic doesn’t really track, given that women having access to tons of men just means they can be far pickier. If you had limited options you’d have to have more reasonable expectations. Also men looking at themselves as the problem has led to things like RP/hustler culture where men are trying to optimize looks, wealth and status to make themselves attractive to women, which a lot of women also reject as “toxic masculinity”. So really, what do women actually want from men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:45 PM |
| 0 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.I wasn’t aware that women watching tv had the same effect as women having access to thousands of men easily through social media. It’s just funny to me that this line of thinking would never be used, especially on Reddit, for anything else. No one will bat an eyelash if someone says the current gen is being screwed economically vs the boomers and has it much harder. But say one thing about dating being a bit harder and it’s bootstraps all the way down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:36 PM |
| 3 | The brouhaha over the bear is not about misandry or risk. It’s about who is allowed to criticize male behavior or have a negative reaction to it (hint: not women)Irrational fear is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 06:35 PM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityWell like Ronnie Coleman once said: “everyone wants to be a bodybuilder but no one wants to lift this heavy ass weight”. If women truly want equality are they going to become 50% of every industry, including the shittiest and most dangerous ones? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:27 PM |
| -1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityWell like Ronnie Coleman once said: “everyone wants to be a bodybuilder but no one wants to lift this heavy ass weight”. If women truly want equality are they going to become 50% of every industry, including the shittiest and most dangerous ones? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Question about buying attractionLawyers, nurses, doctors, etc. Professional women who aren’t going to date brokies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:25 PM |
| -1 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.So you’re just going to ignore the blatant difficulties things like social media and whatnot have introduced into dating dynamics? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:24 PM |
| 2 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityStay at home motherhood is sort of an anomaly itself anyway. In the past women still typically did some work, like crafting or whatever. It all just stems from engagement with community goals, which is majorly lacking in our modern societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 02:14 AM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityI think it’s best when everyone is reliant on everyone in a way. All contributions towards unified goals. Whether you’re working at home or in a field or in a mine it’s a contribution towards the greater good and meaningful. Though I understand how it wasn’t/isn’t always framed that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 02:00 AM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityI think men suffer from lack of direction and end up aimlessly consuming trash material more often (like porn) than women. But, women are a major consumer base now, and that trend is growing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:43 AM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityIt does a lot of bad things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:38 AM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininitySociety shouldn’t expect women to move mountains. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:36 AM |
| 4 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityFully agree. I blame neoliberalism primarily though. I think post-war was somewhat reasonable, although maybe that’s really where all of this started. Post war 50s still had a lot of collective-oriented mindsets when it came to things like rationing and regulations. The 80s is where individualism really took off and went off the rails entirely, imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityI agree, and that’s one of many reasons I oppose individualism. I just don’t think the answer is to double down on individualism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 01:30 AM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityI agree mostly actually. But I do think people tend to overvalue and overestimate their “individual” nature and desires. When you really boil down what most people are doing with “freedom” in individualistic countries with high degrees of social mobility and egalitarianism, what do you actually see people doing? Imo it’s mostly pursuits of extremely frivolous or hedonistic goals. Usually just numbing the pain with mindless indulgences. I think societal structure creates purpose for people that e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:45 AM |
| 0 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityMy comment is about how beneficial support roles are. I never said they’re beneficial for just making men sit around feeling good. They’re beneficial because men are the movers and shakers of society and they need to be adequately motivated/supportive for us to benefit from that role. Again, when men are called to war they’re not “happy” about it. But if women support them in that endeavor they can succeed at doing it. Things like “gender roles” are often framed as some power structure that excl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:32 AM |
| 1 | What do you think of this definition of femininity and masculinity?Sure, a combination of all of these factors is natural. But patriarchal structure isn’t inherently antisocial. Chimpanzees and Romans still have/had “antisocial” behaviors that are rejected, even though there are some aggressive or violent behaviors that are/were condoned. The thing is, if these patriarchal tendencies stemmed from human nature, then to subvert them probably comes at a cost in other ways. You can’t have something for nothing. Maybe changing away from patriarchal societies would m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:29 AM |
| 1 | What do you think of this definition of femininity and masculinity?No that’s exactly what I’m saying. Patriarchal structures didn’t come about due to modern culture, they’ve been around arguably forever. So, aren’t they a naturally occurring phenomenon? Similar to how chimpanzees are highly patriarchal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:16 AM |
| -2 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityNone of it is about what people “want”. Men are called upon to do extreme things for society, often dangerous things like fighting wars. No man is “happy” to go to war. But they can accomplish it with the help of supportive women. So you might say you don’t want men to be the direct action, drivers of society, but I highly doubt most women would actually want that responsibility. If you’re not happy being in support roles how would you be happy working in remote environments or being deployed to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:14 AM |
| 1 | What do you think of this definition of femininity and masculinity?Yeah I understand all these modern day dynamics, but what I’m trying to get at is how did these structures manifest in the first place? Modern society has only existed for like 100-200 years arguably, but these “patriarchal” power dynamics have existed for thousands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:09 AM |
| -1 | Being a traditional woman doesn’t mean you don’t have standards.I agree but the dating “market”, much like the job market, is inflated. Remember how your dad could pay for school working part time and now you need to work three jobs to barely afford an education? Attracting women has similarly inflated to obnoxious levels of difficulty for the average person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:03 AM |
| 8 | The brouhaha over the bear is not about misandry or risk. It’s about who is allowed to criticize male behavior or have a negative reaction to it (hint: not women)It’s one thing to acknowledge that men are more dangerous than women. If the choice was “would you rather run into a man or woman in the woods?” No one would bat an eyelash if/when most women chose “woman”. It becomes misandrist and antisocial when you say your fear of dangerous men leads you to choose a far more dangerous and powerful monstrous animal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/24 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Question about buying attractionExactly. I actually feel like this delusion happens on both ends of the spectrum. You have moneycels thinking they can compensate for being ugly or shitty by having money, and then you have brokecels thinking they’re going to get attractive, successful women if they’re good looking or have a good personality. The reality is you need a combo of both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:54 PM |
| 2 | Question about buying attractionYou’re either not rich or you don’t know what you’re doing, then. Having wealth unlocks an entirely new class of women. Do you think wealthy or successful women are dating men who work at Starbucks? You need to meet women at your status level or just slightly under. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:51 PM |
| -2 | The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininityThe problem is that radfem convinced women that support roles are somehow “inferior” to primary roles. To be fair a lot of under appreciation of women contributed and lent legitimacy to this as well. But, when women are in support roles they inspire, motivate, and help men heal to the point they’re capable of doing great things. Men are largely externally motivated, so when we feel loved and supported by a kind and feminine woman it can inspire us to move mountains. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:44 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of this definition of femininity and masculinity?Sure, and how are men capable of deploying those things? Why can’t/couldn’t women just stop them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:29 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of this definition of femininity and masculinity?These “patriarchal structures”, how did men go about just establishing these? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:13 PM |
| -1 | Do women decide what masculinity is?It’s interesting to me how seemingly everyone but traditionally masculine men get to decide and define what masculinity is, haha. I guess there’s no perfect definition, but part of that is because masculinity as a concept has been obfuscated to the point it’s almost a meaningless term. Living in a culture that’s obviously trying to demoralize and feminize men, this is no doubt intentional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Men being okay with women who are insecure or have low self esteem is not due to them being easier to push around, this is false and plain misandry, at the same time women dont date the male counterparts, not because of righteousness or virtue, but because they find those men unattractiveGood way of putting it. For myself I also don’t like competing with a girlfriend. I’m usually pretty decisive, it can create conflict having a gf who is the same way. If I have a gf who is just happy to go with my flow, that’s great. The key is that she’s happy to do so, don’t want some sort of scared Stockholm’d girl lol which is probably the imagery radfems try to invoke when we talk about stuff like this. They hate the idea that some women are genuinely happy to simply make you happy. They al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 10:55 PM |
| 32 | What if men were allowed to choose between a bear and a woman in a forest? Statistics show women more frequently assault men than bears - why hasn’t anyone pointed this out yet? Why does the “man = bad” paradigm fit so well in our society?The real reason is because most men aren’t brazenly misogynistic and would chose the woman because it’s the pro-social choice. Unfortunately a lot of women have opted out of that type of thinking because they’ve been subverted and brainwashed by shitlib identity politics and feel the need to virtue signal to radfems online vs actually be decent people to the men around them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 07:40 PM |
| 1 | How Much of Guys Being Sex Obsessed is Socially Constructed?I don't mean to low effort post but, what the fuck is "social construction", anyway? If we follow the chain of thought from the very first "human" till now, there had to be at least something a human being has done that stemmed from their nature, like with every single other animal species on Earth, right? I agree that different cultures have different norms and standards, but, I've never bought the idea that literally none of our behavior or urges stems from our inherent human nature. Why would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 06:27 PM |
| 1 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?Men committing crime is like the side effects of a life saving medicine. Men are generally more aggressive risk takers, which often manifests itself in great ways that have helped society become what it is today, with things like exploring, inventing, starting new businesses, winning wars, etc. Unfortunately sometimes these aggressive risk taking tendencies manifest in antisocial ways such as committing crimes. So if someone said we should reduce crime by feminizing men or putting women in charg… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 06:19 PM |
| – | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?Imo almost everyone these days gets "extremely egotistical" confused with having "high self esteem", and gets "kind/humble" confused with "low self esteem". We live in a world where extremely aggressive, narcissistic tendencies seem to be highly rewarded so I can see how it happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 11:49 PM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.Lol you get constantly "approached" by women so you're either lying or in the top probably 1-5% of men in terms of physical attraction. Either way, that makes it impossible for you to understand why someone would do what the other guy said. The vast majority of men have to play the numbers and take opportunities when they can unless they get very lucky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 07:48 PM |
| 2 | Why do people associate being a provider with power/dominance? It's just not the case any more.Same diff really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/24 01:16 AM |
| -4 | Why do people associate being a provider with power/dominance? It's just not the case any more.Well I’m sorry you feel that way and that it was your experience. Maybe you’re right. But maybe your kids would have grown up wishing they saw their mom more often, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/24 12:21 AM |
| 3 | Why do people associate being a provider with power/dominance? It's just not the case any more.The argument against that is typically lost earning potential or other issues, plus divorce can be messy as fuck and it doesn’t always work out as a nice even split in a timely manner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 11:23 PM |
| -2 | Why do people associate being a provider with power/dominance? It's just not the case any more.SAHM shouldn’t be feared in and of itself, it’s the class/material dynamics in our society that make it bad. I had a SAHM and since my parents were good people and my dad made good money everything worked out perfectly. If we had a society that facilitated that outcome it would be way more preferable to have mothers at home raising their kids vs working. The choice should be work or family for women, there’s no real sense in mixing them. The only material advantage to working when you have kids … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 11:22 PM |
| 16 | Why do people associate being a provider with power/dominance? It's just not the case any more.It’s a material concern tied in large part to capitalism. Under neoliberalism/capitalism the “provider” has control of the money and therefore control over capital/resources/whatever. This inherently puts them in a power position relative to the non-provider which is one big reason women are so afraid of SAHM arrangements and other shit like that these days. In the grand scheme the “provider” role is excellent and communities should have (typically male) providers to do the “heavy lifting”, we j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 11:00 PM |
| 1 | Are muscles over rated?I agree but I also think a lot of times men are just genuinely trying to hedge their bets. It's not necessarily about literally finding the perfect meta that instantly make "Le Women" fall in love with them and want to have sex with them 24/7. It's more like "I have limited time, energy, and resources, which endeavors will increase my chances of success the most?". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Are muscles over rated?Imo the real issue is how "unnatural" something looks. Bodybuilding takes a lot of hard work but the end result is very freakish aesthetically. When you look at the athletic/muscular body types women are typically interested in, they still look normal and functional. It works the same way with women as well, which is why the ultra botox, giant fake balloon titty pornstars aren't very commonly considered attractive outside of niches. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 04:58 PM |
| 11 | Are muscles over rated?Nah man I don't lift weights because I don't want to be gigantic as fuck like 0.1% of bodybuilders who dedicated their entire life to the sport. Haha, the "accidental Arnold" mindset really is funny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 04:56 PM |
| 3 | Are muscles over rated?Naturally well built probably would be more applicable to things like face, hair, and height. Any man even with peak genetics who eats poorly or lives a sedentary lifestyle is going to look pretty bad, unless they have literal 0.001% god genetics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Are muscles over rated?But I’m nobody, and my personal preferences aren’t important. It’s just one data point. Women have varied tastes, and compatibility is as important as looks. It's funny, as I was reading your post I was kind of annoyed but as soon as I got to this part it suddenly all became extremely agreeable. I think it's worth pointing out that individual women, and probably even "women who post on reddit" are going to have different views than what might be more generally appealing to "all" women (in terms … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 04:51 PM |
| 2 | There has been a rise in domestic violence against women - could modern dating dynamics play a part?This but unironically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:48 AM |
| 11 | When you think about it. Positive masculinity is just a gate way drug to toxic masculinity.I think this is related to what you're saying: I think a big problem with trying to solve "toxic" masculinity is it's a baby out with the bathwater solution. There's nothing in life that doesn't have a negative side. You could be prescribed a life saving medicine but it'll probably have side effects. Does that mean you should just throw it all out? That's what people want to do with masculinity. Society and especially radical liberals hate "toxic masculinity", but you can't have positive masculi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/24 01:09 AM |
| 1 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.Women have to do that too, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 04:43 PM |
| 8 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.Not to mention the complaints women have regarding aggressive social behavior or catcalling are very close to the same "type" of issue men have regarding women being emotionally abusive or manipulative. But when it happens to women, as you pointed out, it's categorized as "violence" or "sexual harassment". When it happens to men, simply no one gives a shit or tells men to just get thicker skin or make better choices. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:45 PM |
| 2 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.Isn't this the fallacy of relative privation? It's basically the "starving kids in Africa" comment. Basically if any real or perceived problem exists that "outweighs" whatever you're talking about, people act like it invalidates your problem/concern. It's a very common tactic in idpol circles because idpol/radfem is built almost entirely on oppression olympics where only the most weak, vulnerable, or oppressed have moral value. Since idpol by definition obviously revolves around group identities… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:43 PM |
| 3 | Most Blue Pill men are just “sneaky fuckers” practicing sexual mimicry.Lmao 100%, and it's funny because that's also exactly what the women answering "bear" are doing anyway. No one is actually being faced with a bear vs man choice, the choice is fitting in or rejecting the ingroup's consensus. Blue pill men always exhibit those same hyper-conformist tendencies and express hyper-conformist opinions even though generally that's not how men are. So they're either extremely effeminate men, and/or have an ulterior motive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 03:19 PM |
| 6 | Q4W: would you actively seek relationships if men were betterlol this definitely one thing I actually agree with the “blue pill” on. There’s so many men that like to cope by thinking women don’t care about looks and if they just Personalitymaxx hard enough then women will pick them over an attractive man. My response is always, “why wouldn’t they just pick a man who is both attractive and smart/fun/interesting/etc?” And never get a good answer. I also find a lot of personalitymaxx types are hiding some weird ulterior motives, like they’ll lovebomb and shi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 03:02 PM |
| 0 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.Sure they’re filling their time instead of just sitting there staring at a wall. The real question is why did they give up pursuing any other goals in life and embrace extreme minimalism? Extreme minimalism is something you rarely if ever see in women and rarely if ever see in men that are pursuing women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 02:46 PM |
| 7 | Women are as likely, or more likely, to be physically aggressive in relationships compared to men“I’m a woman who was abused-“ idpol’s ears perk up “-by another woman” idpol goes back to sleep | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 08:54 AM |
| 2 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.Well honestly what other core motivator is there really? Some male exceptions are maybe people like Nikola Tesla who basically swore off relationships but he was pursuing grandiose world changing inventions. For normal men what is their purpose? A lot of people say you have to find your own purpose but that’s mostly an empty platitude. Men have a strong instinct and desire to bond with women and have sex with them (usually to procreate), how do you come up with some superficial modern consumeris… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 08:41 AM |
| -1 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.You didn’t really address anything I said lol. Are you denying that rich men pursue women? I’ve never even heard of a rich MGTOW or some shit like that. Or a rich monk. I mean maybe they exist but they’re not common. Even that super sperg Elon musk has like 15 kids with 7 different women or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 08:37 AM |
| -1 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.But you never see minimalism in women like you do with disengaged men. Sure it’s all a bit of a stereotype but how can you deny that women aren’t major drivers of consumption? Now that women are high earners themselves it’s even clearer because we can see what they spend their money on and how so many corps are going out of there way to appeal to women knowing they’re the dominant market. Besides when I make this argument I’m not even tying any moral judgment behind it. I think it makes sense th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 08:34 AM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.lol why? How else do you meet women? Seems like the dude has a healthy attitude towards putting himself out there and going for it when he sees an attractive woman. What do you do, sit around and hope they magically appear in front of you, or just settle for the first r/antiwork mod looking woman who gives you the time of day? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 07:14 AM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.It’s not about predator vs prey the idea is that men have to chase women because women are more passive and selective when it comes to dating, probably due to the fact that getting pregnant is a big deal for women so they’re more reserved and careful. By necessity men have to be assertive or else both would be passive and nothing would happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 07:09 AM |
| 1 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.I think the real underlying point is that yes sure men don’t exclusively do absolutely every single thing in life to get pussy, but the herbivore men thing shows that probably a lot of men’s higher level motivations come from the desire to attract women, else they just settle for ultra minimalism. You don’t see a lot of ultra minimalism in women, even those who have no interest in relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 07:06 AM |
| 1 | Why do certain conservatives want to get rid of no fault divorce?I don’t like the idea of a contract that can be broken for any reason, especially one that could cost someone a great deal of their material wealth. I feel like as the trends towards women being high earners continue, you’ll eventually see a shift in this opinion when men start taking women to the cleaners with divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 07:02 AM |
| 2 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.These people desperately want to believe they’re not horny animals with a biological imperative desire to breed programmed into them. They desperately want to believe they’re the special ones with higher ideals and are striving towards something of grand meaning and purpose. Without fail the blue pill man eventually exposes himself as even more sex crazed and desperate than the average man, masking it behind this veneer of extreme restraint or enlightenment the whole time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 06:50 AM |
| 4 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.Sounds like you’re just neurotic. My last job was somewhat mindless and I hated it because I’m a neurotic obsessive idiot who has to do a great job and actually gives a shit. The people who loved the job were those who did the absolute bare minimum and gave zero fucks about anyone or anything. To benefit from mindless work you have to approach it in a mindless fashion, else you just stupidly drive yourself insane. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 06:47 AM |
| 0 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.No he’s right, look at the herbivore men trend in Japan. When men stop giving a shit about women they just work part time chill in their parents basement and play video games. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 06:45 AM |
| 0 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.There’s dudes on welfare with video games and shit. You don’t have to diligently grind at a job or aspire to high levels of wealth and success to afford some video games. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 06:44 AM |
| 3 | Most Blue Pill men are just “sneaky fuckers” practicing sexual mimicry.This seems almost axiomatically true to me, especially when you see how a lot of “blue pill” men express the most aggrandized versions of feminist or radlib ideology, to the point where it’s barely even believable. Like no man is going to genuinely prostrate themselves and self own as hard as these desperate blue pillers always do unless they’re just pathologically self hating or have shameless ulterior motives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 06:42 AM |
| -1 | Women are more suitable as corporate slaves.Secondly it explains the rise of the “sheconomy”. Women seemingly can find happiness (or something like it) through consumer outlets. So there's a market for post-wallers, but there isn't for men. Indeed, women exclusively consoom for consumption sake, for some reason. I'll never understand it myself. I guess they're just pure hedonists? Like you said, the vast majority of men see money, success, and status as a means to attract a woman. You can tell this is true because every billionaire man on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Even if there were statistical or logical arguments to support it it’s still just a generally bad and antisocial mindset to get yourself in. From testosterone alone it’s obviously true that men tend to be more violent than women but, that same aggression is often directed towards worthwhile goals as well like exploration, experiments, fighting against existential threats, etc. Hyper focusing on the negative aspects of men/masculinity like this is like being prescribed a life saving medicine but … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:50 AM |
| 5 | This Woman Hits The Target About The Bear vs Man SituationThe bear shit isn’t even about bears vs men. No woman is being faced with an actual bear vs man choice, the real choice is “do I conform to the new thing or do I feel left out”. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:06 AM |
| – | A better technological alternative to dating/relationship/sex will emerge just like agricultural revolution replaced hunter gatherer societies.If women quit getting pregnant and raising kids, how could women be born? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 08:17 PM |
| – | A better technological alternative to dating/relationship/sex will emerge just like agricultural revolution replaced hunter gatherer societies.Women also wouldn't be born. Pyrrhic victory, I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 08:00 PM |
| – | A better technological alternative to dating/relationship/sex will emerge just like agricultural revolution replaced hunter gatherer societies.A lot of men might not do shit but all the core industries in society are dominated by men. If women quit working tomorrow we might struggle a little and it would certainly be harder to get a starbucks coffee or something, but if men quit working tomorrow the world ends instantly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 07:33 AM |
| – | What is it like for locals in non-Western poor and conservative countries?Poor conservative countries tend to have more strictly enforced monogamy and higher birthrates. Developed liberal countries have essentially opted out of that dynamic because we can just mass import foreign workers to fill jobs or whatever. Basically the more developed a country is, the more rights are given to women and less (familial/procreation related) responsibilities are imposed on them. When women have this level of freedom they almost exclusively choose not to start families. Essentially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 07:30 AM |
| 3 | Men are having less sex, but women are somehow contracting more STDsPseudo-harems exist. Women are just sharing the top 5-10% of men with each other. It's not uncommon for an attractive man to go through dozens of women whereas some men never have sex at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 07:19 AM |
| – | I feel like people underestimate womens physical strength.Fighting a bf is probably a bad idea because bf's are simpy idiots who will let their gf win and give her a major false sense of confidence. Every bf should wrestle their gf at 100% force at least once (not to hurt her just to demonstrate the true difference), then go back to letting her win only after she really knows the reality. The last thing you want is to make your gf think she can smash some 200 lbs muscular dude because you always let her win. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 07:16 AM |
| – | I feel like people underestimate womens physical strength.The reason a house cat can "fuck somebody up" is because people get surprised/scared by the cat, and/or they don't want to hurt the cat. If an adult human was just bloodlusted they would grab the cat by its tail and whip it against the wall or floor repeatedly until it was dead. Who cares if the cat scratched or bit you? With an adrenaline dump you wouldn't even feel it. That kind of thing simply doesn't happen because most humans regulate their physical potential based on their morals or percep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/24 07:12 AM |
| 1 | Men erroneously confuse being confident with being an asshole with the whole nice guy/asshole dichotomy and womenI don't think things like people "not having" to do things, or what's "mentally healthy" are very relevant to the things that people actually do irl, and the things many women are attracted to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/24 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Men erroneously confuse being confident with being an asshole with the whole nice guy/asshole dichotomy and womenMaybe, but that would only apply to that person's immediate social network. That dude getting a promotion and becoming the next big CEO is definitely an "asshole" to his competitors or the "little guy". I don't think there's a single fortune 500 CEO that doesn't have a rap sheet and accusations of various cutthroat and possibly illegal business practices. You can't win without crushing someone, somewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/24 05:58 AM |
| -4 | The "Men need women more than women need men" trope is a strange oneThe thing is, it's true in the sense that typically men WANT women more than the other way around. Studies show men tend to be happier in relationships whereas women tend to be happier single. We all know the stereotypical arrangement is the men desperately and hopelessly chasing after women, and the women being particular, reserved, stand offish, rejecting them, etc. That exists for a reason. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/24 07:27 AM |
| 29 | Men erroneously confuse being confident with being an asshole with the whole nice guy/asshole dichotomy and womenMost high level successful people just fake humility because it's what appeals to the masses, especially on TV. Most of the high value men women are attracted to are actually very much "assholes" in some way. Asshole-type behaviour is typically necessary to ascend to the level required to be so sought after by so many women. Women aren't interested in some timid nice guy who goes around helping old ladies cross the street, they want a masculine man who competes in various things and wins. It's r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/24 07:11 AM |
| 4 | Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get boredTo some degree I think this is true, but not necessarily because they're attracted to "assholes". Many, possibly most, women are attracted to strong masculine traits like assertiveness, ambition, confidence, physicality, etc. There is a lot of overlap between people with those traits and people we might consider to be "assholes". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/24 07:05 AM |
| 1 | Most men here aren't truly Red Pilled even when they say they areLots of people like whiny bitchboys. Pretty much every leftist on earth is a whiny bitchboy. People like them because they parrot leftist dogma and signal to the ingroup that they're a useful idiot. Generally people don't like people who go against the grain, especially when the shit they say is true, whiny bitchboy or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/23 07:49 AM |
| 1 | Women are more emotional than men - this shouldn’t have a negative connotation to it.Women are more emotional in primarily needy or neurotic ways. They're not emotional in a truly empathetic sense, more in a hysterical "child throwing a tantrum" sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/23 06:22 AM |
| 22 | Most men here aren't truly Red Pilled even when they say they areRP just means you understand how shit works. It doesn't mean you're some "alpha" male or some shit, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/23 06:21 AM |
| 6 | Do men or women love more intensely?Misery. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/23 06:20 AM |
| 2 | Do men or women love more intensely?Obviously men. Women only love themselves, their pets, and their children, they don't even really love men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/23 06:20 AM |
| – | We all agree that women are attracted to men who display competence and drive, but are women also disgusted by the very effort it takes to reach the level of competence they admire?Of course, because women are primarily concerned with social points. While China has an overt social credit system, we have a more subtle social credit system, but it still exists. Women filter everything they say and do through a lens of social approval, meaning that they'll never expressly admit to things like being attracted to go getter men who are ruthless or cutthroat in business, for example. That's "bad" in the current cultural dogma so they'll pretend to hate those people. But women are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/23 01:09 AM |
| 14 | Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no senseMiddle class working men used to serve several core functions in society: they were not only the backbone of the economy but they were also breadwinners who were solely responsible for caring for women and children, raising a family, etc. Now, middle class working men serve one purpose: labour and tax cattle. Women are no longer attracted to working class men because women get everything they need from the government or from overpaid busywork jobs that pay them to sit around doing nothing all da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/23 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Do you think parents are mostly to blame for lack of success in dating?I'd say parents are to blame for the lack of success in everything. László Polgár demonstrated that if you structure a child's life around something enough, they'll likely become great at it. He proved this by randomly choosing chess as his focal point and raising three female grand champions. None of them had genius IQ or were otherwise predestined to be great chess players. They were just average people. If your parents raise you in such a way that you develop skills conducive to dating/social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/23 09:59 PM |
| 1 | What is your definition of masculinityI've always liked the "hard vs soft" differentiation between masculinity and femininity. So for example strength, bravery, stoicism, resiliance, etc are masculine traits, empathy, forgiveness, tenderness, beauty, etc are feminine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/23 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Intelligence Matters A Lot More Than People RealizeThere's no requirement to be intelligent in a developed country because society just does everything for you now. You don't have to plan ahead or solve problems. You don't have to be observant or prudent or anything. You can bumble through life making exclusively terrible decisions and as long as you don't accidentally kill yourself in an accident, society will bail you out in various ways like with welfare or whatever else. Also people don't even have to think anymore because we have computers … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/23 05:52 AM |
| – | I know this has been said a million times before: but the men who are feeling lonely and struggling in dating just have higher standards.When the feminists and bootlicking rat-like male simps debate red-pillers, they imagine that RPers have no problem settling with disgusting filthy feminist subhuman piece of trash liberal post-wall >6/10 women. Which certainly isn't the case. Lmfao, absolutely obliterated. I agree though. I could have a fat girlfriend tomorrow if I wanted but, because I'm not into fat chicks or single moms I'm capped at only 3% of the population. We live in a culture where having any standards at all condemns yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/23 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Are average men really "struggling" to get relationships with girls?I'd say the struggle to get in relationships increases with status. Average men are probably doing okay, it's above average men that are getting demolished. Why? Because the better a man becomes, the more he realizes there are close to zero women actually worth his time. Loser men get girls all the time because they have no shame and no standards and will date a 900 pound landwhale with 20 kids. But if you simply increase your standards to just not overweight and no kids, you instantly reduce yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 02:58 AM |
| 1 | Do you agree that male sexual desire often gives women a significant amount of power and control over men?Not just sexual desire but just a general desire to please women, care for them, care what they think and want, etc. It gives women 100% of the power, influence, rights, basically everything they have and ever will have. If men suddenly became apathetic or worse, hostile towards women on a societal scale, women would be sex slaves by tomorrow morning. A lot of modern women love to buy into the fairytale sold by Hollywood that women are actually super strong badasses that can win their own rights… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 02:53 AM |
| – | The modern dating world has been somewhat ruined by OLD, but it's mostly men's fault.The fault lies with the people who have a great deal of power and influence over our culture (through government, media, education, and economics) and have opted to structure society in such a way that it brings out the absolute worst traits in both men and women. Individual people always love to think they're so free-willed and special, but the truth is that human beings in large groups are extremely predictable. Of course if you give women endless choices in life she'll just opt for the most s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 02:51 AM |
| 1 | Women don't hate nice guys because they storm off after being rejected, women hate them because they create a secret, transactional relationship without the woman's consent.I'm not a big fan of the archetypal "nice guy" either, but, every relationship is "transactional". Even if you're just exchanging good feelings, that's a transaction. Few if any sane human beings engage in any relationship with another human being without typically giving and/or receiving something from it. It's a very fundamental component of relationships. I think the reason why women tend to view this as "bad" is because they're simply oblivious to how much they actually gain from relationshi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 02:45 AM |
| 1 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport BrosYeah you definitely have to be weary of the green card hunters, they'll ditch your ass the minute they can make it on their own. I'd say in general though it's very difficult to find a woman who is primarily motivated by genuine love/attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 08:34 PM |
| 4 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport BrosIn that case I'd still say it's fairly reasonable if you yourself are also not overweight, since the statistics are fairly similar between men vs women. Essentially, if I'm not a fat man, it shouldn't be unreasonable for me to want to get a not-fat woman. Otherwise who are all the thin women actually dating? Fat men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 08:33 PM |
| 13 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport BrosIt is a reasonable expectation though because for the vast majority of people, weight is very controllable, and it's rare that a person, especially a woman's, natural body type even supports that much mass. This is why most overweight people suffer serious joint issues at young ages, they're quite literally overloading their own skeleton. Things like six figures or six pack abs must be obtained through very hard work, and 6+ feet tall is purely genetic. When it comes to weight, all men want is w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 08:07 PM |
| 4 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport BrosI agree, but, I've also had experience with foreign women who still retain a lot of their original culture's values, even after being established here. Culture is culture for a reason, and while you can't expect every Japanese/Ukranian/Polish/Iranian/etc woman to be some hivemind drone with identical values, you do tend to see differences in beliefs and behaviours that become a little more engrained due to cultural/familial upbringing. So my point is, if you date women from a culture that tends … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 08:04 PM |
| 6 | Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issuesSure but look at the bar you just set, lol. Part of the issue with our current job market is that external factors have massively inflated the level of "worth" you have to prove before being eligible for a decent life. In the past was far lower and most people got by fine just doing a bare minimum like working a job full time and not blowing their money. I would argue the dating market has also become massively inflated. What do you think the dating equivalent of going to an ivy league and being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 07:58 PM |
| 5 | Double standards exist and that’s okay.Typically gender roles, especially male gender roles, are important for societal stability and prosperity. A good example is the current Ukraine conflict. Imagine if most men in Ukraine had become overly sensitive wimpy bitches (as western leftism wants men to be) who cry all the time, and never do anything that's "toxically masculine" like lift weights or shoot guns. Then, who would be defending the country from Russia? Who would respond to natural disasters and emergencies? Who would deal with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:21 PM |
| 11 | Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issuesI think the dating market tells you what you're worth. If you have niche standards, and repeatedly fail at dating, they are too high. I'd say this would be a pretty unpopular opinion if logically applied to most other areas of life, such as economics. Does the job market also "tell you what you're worth"? What about people who put an honest effort in and work a decent job and yet still can't afford everything they need to be reasonably comfortable? I'd say the modern dating market strongly paral… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:16 PM |
| 1 | The reason why we forgive men more for picking crappy womenI'd say women have a tough job in filtering through men and hoping the one they choose didn't turn out to be a faker, or turn into an asshole. However, men have to filter women out that way too, PLUS attract them in the first place. At least women have the advantage of men coming to them, so they just have to focus on trying to pick the right one. Men have to go through a lot of trouble to attract a woman and THEN hope they've selected one that doesn't suck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Male feminists/Simps are often sexually and romantically inexperienced.Indeed. It's true of most things in life that the more experienced you are the more jaded you become. The stereotype of the wide eyed, naively optimistic rookie vs the seasoned, grumbling, miserable veteran exists for a reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:11 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Then answer this: why is it that plenty of women have dated men who are not good-looking or wealthy, but exhibit great confidence and charisma and "swagger"? The same reason there are plenty of asshole, abusive men who have dated nice, attractive women; because life is dynamic and unpredictable so if something is possible, you're likely going to find anecdotes of it. I'm not concerned with exceptions to the rule, though. You might as well ask, "if getting super rich isn't easy, then how come ple… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.It's not "over" thinking, it's just "thinking". What value does "talking to real people" even have in your mind? You could talk to the biggest asshole in the universe or the nicest person in the universe, or anything inbetween. Your "just wing it" approach doesn't work for millions of men, as evidenced by this sub and countless studies. Again, if you were actually interested in why this happens you'd be far more inquisitive and far less dismissive and condescending. "Just do stuff that works!" g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Maybe the issue is the extreme bitterness toward womenSure, no doubt it becomes a negative feedback loop which is not beneficial at all. However, have you considered WHY men become bitter towards women? Most men who are currently or have ever been bitter towards women weren't born that way or raised to think that way. I would be willing to bet, with strong confidence, that the majority of bitter men become bitter due to experience. It's the same trend felt everywhere in society these days. Why are more people becoming "bitter" about economics? Why … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:51 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Even if that was true, that's just survivorship bias. Not to mention, who knows the scope of those relationships? Are they really all in loving relationships? Is the woman just stringing him along? Was he exceptionally attractive in other areas of life, like being highly charismatic/wealthy/whatever? The idea that you can go to a coffee shop, see a couple of fat dudes with decent looking or nice women, and come to the conclusion that, "oh, see, men have it easy they just have to go talk to women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Also let's be honest the female cashier working 60 hours is doing so because she's a baby momma, or because she wants to. No man expects a woman to work that hard or make lots of money. Plenty of women get by in life just making low-mid income and can still attract high income earning men. But how many times do you see it the other way around? Women typically just have to win the genetic lottery and be somewhat nice to be around, and they can land any reasonably high value man. No man, even a ph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:36 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Indeed. And her response to that would probably be, "haha well OBVIOUSLY that's not the right thing to say to a woman!" which sure, to be fair to most socially adjusted people, that's the case. But, what is the "right" thing to say to women? Even as we go through less extreme examples you'll find women analyzing and criticizing your approach. "You didn't have enough confidence/you sound like you're bragging/your timing is off/your voice sounded weird/your posture was off-putting/you interrupted … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:33 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.So you're saying general trends can't advise people when it comes to dating individual women, yet above the OP (who I assume you're at least in partial agreement with) claims dating to be a "normal human behaviour", implying there's a consistent set of principles/behaviours that can be universally applied between all humans and their interactions. Again, this is just example #894375984387654783695423779843 of women being out of touch with the reality of being a man, and grossly oversimplifying o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:29 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Lol excellent analogy. Women just tend to completely lack empathy for men, they just assume everything that happens for them happens because that's just how the world works. They never take the time to fully consider who is making it all happen, and how. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:24 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.You're going to invoke the Apex (with an 'e', hon) Fallacy, when you just above there claimed that men can, "swagger into a room and immediately gain the respect of every man simply because they are also a man"? You're just completely out of touch with reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:22 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.or swagger into a room and earn respect from male coworkers by simply existing in a male body. This doesn't happen unless you're a 6+ foot tall, athletically built man who exudes confidence. Most men are treated like losers by other men, there's a highly competitive pecking order within male dominated spaces and weak men are relentlessly bullied, ostracized, and sometimes even physically beaten. This is just a clear example of you noticing the experience of the top 5% of men and projecting it on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:20 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.If women think the most important effort they can put into a relationship is how good their makeup looks, then again that demonstrates how insanely out of touch they are. My last relationship failed because my so called "girlfriend", after months of dating, still couldn't be bothered to find a way to see me more than 1-2 times per month. Had nothing to do with her makeup, lol, had to do with her fundamental lack of investment in the relationship. And she certainly enjoyed the benefits of the rel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:17 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Um excuse me sir you're going to have to link me 1000 peer reviewed scientific studies before I acknowledge that you have problems in your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:15 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.I mean this is just grossly out of touch with the realities of dating, especially in the West. "Normal human interaction" is such an oversimplification. Competition, rejection, changing social dynamics, female entitlement, etc are all also part of "normal human interaction". Your view on dating is as out of touch as those rich people telling people the only reason they're poor is because they buy too much avocado toast. "I just woke up one day and had money, you poors are just overcomplicating i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:10 PM |
| 13 | CMV: Men greatly over-complicate dating.Absolutely this. This sums my last (failed) relationship up to a tee. She was incredibly unaccommodating, unavailable, barely put any noticeable effort into the relationship, yet when I called her on it she seemed oblivious and claimed everything was fine. Yeah, of course it seemed fine to her because I was the one going out of my way constantly to make it sort of work. Women tend to be completely oblivious to how one sided many relationships really are, they have no idea what's going on behind … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:07 PM |
| 3 | American women have the worst reputation for relationships / marriage in the entire world. This is not (so much) the case for American men.In my experience the biggest problem with Western women (I'm Canadian myself) is the entitlement mindset. The last relationship I had that ended seemed quite good on paper, and I actually quite liked her, we were compatible in a lot of ways. But, she just had this utterly nonchalant approach to the relationship. Women seem to not recognize the value of your relationship. And I don't even mean that in an egotistical "worship me I'm so great!" way of thinking, I mean they don't value what we could… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 04:02 PM |
| 2 | Which pill is better for men with aspergers?Red Pill is generally a better gamble for anyone, I would argue. But red pill comes with some risks, namely it's a largely individualistic movement so if you can't cut it you'll probably end up just as if not more ostracized and depressed. The problem with the blue pill and any left-leaning/collectivistic way of thought, is you will most likely get more immediate support, but, you'll have to trade any sense of individual power and autonomy for it. Leftists need everyone in the collective to be a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:57 AM |
| -3 | Friendly reminder that there is no such thing as a femcelProbably not but, I'd also imagine the cut off for "ugly and unattractive" is vastly different between men and women. For men if some absolute monstrosity tries to hit on us we might be a tad uncomfortable. For women, if anyone other than a multi-trillionaire gigachad hits on them, they retract away and act like they've just been violently assailed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Friendly reminder that there is no such thing as a femcelHard wired to try to spread the seed. You just can't get around nature, as much as humans want to pretend they're so free thinking and intelligent, the vast majority of people and especially men, are ultimately just a bunch of dumb, horny animals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:47 AM |
| 40 | Friendly reminder that there is no such thing as a femcelThe answer to that question is exactly why men are disenfranchised right now. The answer would illustrate the rampant hypergamous behaviour of women because the answer for 90+% of men is simply, "they wouldn't". Women can just compete with each other for five minutes as chad's fuck toy, they have zero emotional, practical, or financial incentive to "settle" for less, so they don't. It's no coincidence that most of the countries with the lowest domestic birthrates also tend to be the countries wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:43 AM |
| 88 | Friendly reminder that there is no such thing as a femcelBut the vast majority of men are disposable losers. Always have been. Throughout history men are so disposable they're typically drafted into massive armies and sent to die in fields. In the Roman times upwards of 10K+ men could be killed during a major battle (largely while running away after being routed). Modern Ukraine war is another great example where Ukraine is basically collecting up every man they can, including old toothless men, to hold the line and get shelled to shit by Russian arti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:37 AM |
| 6 | be a passport bro without the passportGood post, just wanted to add a little piece on why I think passport-broing is effective: People often make the mistake of thinking passport bros believe that foreign women are inherently or culturally "better" than American woman. They're not, all women are similar in most meaningful ways, most cultural differences, if any, are fairly superficial. The real meaningful differences, that often coincide with foreign women, are in wealth and status. Virtually all women are attracted to men based on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:33 AM |
| 0 | Men don't like "blank"Right, women don't have to do anything but exist, that's part of the whole grievance men have with women, lol. When's the last time you met a woman who put any effort whatsoever into consciously and intentionally trying to make herself attractive to men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/23 12:28 AM |
| 2 | Instead of closing the sub...The solution is to touch grass. I'm not trying to be a dick. Reddit, and most of the internet, is a giant cesspool of only the shittiest aspects of humanity, regardless of political affiliation or anything else. You might think I'm a hypocrite in saying that because I'm here, but, I'm only on reddit because I'm some kind of neurotic masochist that has a strong inclination to expose myself to things I hate sometimes. The true answer and support you seek is found in the real world with like minded… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/23 11:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The most obvious reason why modern dating is broken is because women have too many options because of the internet.Agreed. The culture today seems to be heavily geared around instant gratification and absolutely no sense of self-control, discipline, moderation, or personal responsibility. Sort of the opposite of the post-war culture: people had to get used to rationing and making due with less in general so they adapted and became a lot more conservative in the sense that they were mindful of what they did, what they consumed, who they affected, etc. One of the reasons why the post-war economy and governance… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/23 09:26 PM |
| 3 | I think the red pill is morally wrong in almost every aspect.Being "morally good" is basically the consolation prize of life. "Welp, I didn't make money/invent anything/get a hot girlfriend/make an impact in the world/accomplish anything/finish projects/achieve my goals/etc, but, I was a Good PersonTM " I find it particularly funny how much moralizing people do these days too considering how unpopular religion is. I'd be more inclined to give a big shit about "morality" if I genuinely believed I'd go to hell for being a "bad guy". But, these people that a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 04:59 AM |
| – | Do girlfriends ever increase your self-esteem?Absolutely. The only pitfall is trying to get a girlfriend for the sole purpose of increasing your self esteem. That's a good path to neediness and codependency. But in any healthy relationship your gf/bf should make you feel better about yourself. They're the ones you should be able to go to when you need a confidence boost or are struggling with something. Probably the best visual example I can think of, is the pro arm wrestler named Devon Larrat. His wife is always at his matches going absolu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 04:56 AM |
| 3 | Are women only attracted to fit men because it's currently trendy?I think social media has majorly skewed the aesthetical qualities of what "fit" really is. If you step outside that, generally I'd say fitness is attractive to women because it tends to come with many other positive traits like high energy, physical health, confidence, physical prowess, etc. If there was a man who somehow just looked like a fitness model but had none of those other traits, I doubt many women would be attracted to him beyond the initial aesthetic attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 04:53 AM |
| 7 | Confused about how open and emotional guys are expected to be?Emotional in a way that makes you submissive and easy for a woman to control. Not emotional in a way that makes you a burden, or that allows you to express any of your own interests in any way (especially not anger, never show that emotion because it makes women afraid of you). Like everything else: whatever makes you weak and easy to manipulate = good, everything else = bad. That's the only thing you need to understand to figure out everything to do with modern dating and modern society as a wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 04:50 AM |
| 2 | what's the deal with "nice guy" stereotype and why there isn't an equivalent term for women?The "nice guy" that women hate are the guys that are nice to women and expect something in return. In a woman's mind, a reciprocal relationship is actually oppression. A true nice guy would just do everything for women out of the kindness of their heart and never expect any reciprocation or fulfillment in their life whatsoever. Tl;dr: like everything else pushed on men these days, it's another thinly veiled attempt to turn men into brow beaten slaves who give everything while expecting nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 04:48 AM |
| 17 | Ironically, interacting more with girls is what got me redpilled, not Tate or whoeverIndeed. It's also the reason why left-leaning culture these days is so keen on promoting a very feminized value system to men. In short, society wants men to be very emotional, very overly socialized, very dependent on women, and lacking in any real mental resilience. These are all ideal traits for a slave. If you went back in time and brought some rugged rancher or farmer here and told them, "hey man you have to do all the work you typically do except now you don't get a wife or kids, everyone … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/23 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Ironically, interacting more with girls is what got me redpilled, not Tate or whoeverI'd say life experience in general is fairly strongly correlated with "redpill" or "right wing" viewpoints. You'd have to exist in a very sheltered bubble to believe a lot of what the "blue pill" thinks about dating and relationships, which of course, many people do these days thanks to working from home, being in school for many years in their 20s, being terminally online, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/23 04:59 AM |
| 2 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.They're caused by a small percentage of men, sure. And then solved by other men. It's not the same men causing the problems as the ones solving the problems, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 06:21 AM |
| 0 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.You literally expressed a tit for tat mentality, lol. A man would say, "This is my friend, how can I help him?" a woman says, "PFFFFTFTFTFTFTFTTFFTFT NOW I HAVE TO DO MORE WORK????" with the strong implication of "what's in it for me?". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 06:20 AM |
| 7 | Is "trying" overrated?Trying hard is terrible advice. My problems with women increased in my life directly proportionately to how hard I tried and how much of a fuck I gave. When I was young, I was almost annoyingly good with women, and it was all because I didn't give a shit. I didn't try at all. But, it's important to define what "trying" actually means here. Trying, typically, refers to exerting yourself in some way. Maybe you're working out 5 days a week to make yourself more physically attractive, maybe you're t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 05:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Dating gets harder for men as they get older, not easierDating inherently gets harder for men and women as they get older. The reason there's a perception (which is often true) that dating gets easier for men as they get older, is because men's value to women in relationships often comes from non-physical aspects of their life such as their social abilities, social status, and wealth. Generally speaking, these things all improve with age, as a man gains life experience, makes more money, and "moves up in the world". If a man follows this track, their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 05:43 AM |
| 1 | What is a low value man?The "value" of a man in this context is essentially talking about how badly a woman wants to be in a relationship with that man. Like the value of anything, it's determined by a myriad of factors. Generally speaking, a low value man is simply a man that most women have no real desire or need to be with. If you find yourself struggling to catch and hold the attention of women, and even when you're in a relationship with a woman, it seems like you're neither here nor there, she could take or leave… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys?Since I've been on both sides of this to some degree, I feel like I am in a good position to answer this (although the answer I'm about to give is similar to other good answers in this thread): When I was younger and blue collar, I found I was better with women, as you suggest. Reason looking back was because I just gave less of a shit. I blundered my way through the vast majority of interactions with women, and only "succeeded" because of the numbers game I was playing. In any numbers game, 999… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 05:31 AM |
| 6 | I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women.The reason for this is because women are more likely to be concerned with public judgment and scrutiny, which means they'll always give the "correct" answer to a question and not as often will they give their honest answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 07:47 PM |
| 1 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.You sound like you make all your relationships transactional, which is very sad for you Funny you say this immediately after saying this: Hanging out and enjoying someone’s company is a mutually beneficial activity. That's a transaction. Every relationship in life is "transactional" to some degree. Well except arguably unconditionally loving ones like a parent towards their child. But anyway, navigating life and relationships as hardly as just "pursuing someone who makes you happy", any more tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 07:46 PM |
| 0 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Does she genuinely care about him? Women often say, "how is the friendzone a bad thing, don't you value friendship"? Well, certainly not if this is your idea of friendship, lol. I think this will always be a fundamental disconnect between how men and women view relationships. When the average, decent man thinks of his friends, he's never going to be doing this tit for tat bullshit. If my best buddy was struggling in some way I'd bust my ass trying to help him if I could. I'd never in a thousand … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 07:42 PM |
| 1 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Considering the male suicide rate is 4X the female one, and statistically men are significantly more likely to be depressed/suicidal when lonely than women are (men cope with loneliness worse than women), I'd say it's easily a fair comparison. Also not every drug addiction has those symptoms. People addicted to caffeine or cigarettes don't experience any of that shit, usually just short temper, irritability, headaches, and extreme cravings. So your response is pretty much just taking the most ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 07:37 PM |
| 2 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.If men didn't give a shit about women's problems there wouldn't be women abuse shelters, equal rights for women, sympathy for women who are ill or injured, disdain for abusers/rapists in prison, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 07:34 PM |
| 10 | How do celebrities actually find date ?Exactly. My cousin in-law has some ins because he's in fashion design and works with some reasonably high profile celebs. He gets invited to places that are not made publicly available and he won't even disclose them to us/his family (likely in fear of annihilating his business connections, credibility, and relationships with these people). Simply put, celebs have access to an entirely separate world from the rest of us, within which they tend to basically act like we would when we're hanging ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:32 PM |
| 3 | How do celebrities actually find date ?Can't speak for every single celebrity. However, generally speaking, at that level of fame and wealth, the "average person" becomes a nameless faceless mass. This isn't necessarily an intentionally dehumanizing thing, it's just that when you're famous you have nowhere near enough time to interact with any random person that would talk to you. So what happens is celebrities filter out most people and create inner circles and social groups. People that you have no way of contacting and that aren't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:26 PM |
| 14 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.The "lane" is just whatever is convenient for a woman at any given time. The advice you receive is never intended to be an actual strategy for men to approach dating, it's just a demand to answer to the whims of whatever a woman happens to want. If she's in the mood for a fuckboy, then the direct approach works and the orbiters get FZ'd. If she is in the mood for a betabux or lovey dovey romance, then the emotionally engaged loyal men win and the fuckboys get rejected. There is no consistent str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:21 PM |
| 21 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.But a point I do harp on about is that men receive contradictory advice and it can be very difficult to figure out what the hell we're supposed to do. That's because few if any of the people giving the advice are genuinely interested in or concerned for men's well-being and success. Most of the advice is an underhanded way to try to make men less annoying to women. Take the advice you mentioned above; if men are taught to be chill and slow paced and emotionally engaged with women before trying t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:18 PM |
| 3 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Why can't women take responsibility for understanding that a man is maybe not in their right mind and clearly deluded, and end the "friendship" herself? Every time I turn around some woman or liberal is telling everyone that society lacks empathy and compassion for other people. Then the second an issue is primarily experienced by men it's all, "ah well fuck you". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:15 PM |
| 16 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Lol, there's a lot of things women complain about in society that are her problem, not mine. Yet I and every other men are expected to give a bit shit about what concerns women. Why do women never even attempt to extend the olive branch the other way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:13 PM |
| – | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Doesn't exactly help that men are told women don't respond to "game" and want "real, emotional connections". Isn't a good way to build that by becoming friends with a person? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:11 PM |
| 5 | If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you.Technically true but, that's a bit like saying if you continue taking drugs your addiction is on you. It's not that easy to just flip a switch and end behaviour like this. It would be nice if people on the other end of the "friendzone" would do the right thing and cut off the relationship, but oftentimes people (especially women) are happy to take advantage and just play dumb if things ever blow up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 09:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most men are totally okay with waiting to have sex, but they're scared of being friendzoned so they feel pressured to make moves on datesI agree, though I do think it's a tricky balancing act. For reference, my current gf (who I'd probably say I have a solid 80% chance of going the distance with at the moment), we never did the deed till three months in, which is astronomically long for what I'm used to (not trying to brag, it just always seemed natural to have sex within like 3-5 dates). During that time I was very close to bailing on the relationship several times because I got the impression she wasn't really into me. Also bef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 05:32 AM |
| 5 | Why did your previous relationships end?It turned out she was actually ten years older than me (I know, it sounds dumb, but she honestly looked young even for the age she pretended to be, lol). She was past the point of my personal tolerance for safely having children, which is something I'd like to do one day, else I still might have considered staying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 05:29 AM |
| – | CMV: Cheating is not that bad and i don't understand why it can be a cause for divorce.I think serial cheating is strongly linked to sexual addiction and other shitty sexual related tendencies (in men, at least). I had some brutally bad shit happen involving a close friend and there were a lot of red flags looking back regarding cheating and other bad behaviour he was doing. I think it's one thing if you get a little carried away on a trip or something, guys are horny, I'm not excusing it or saying I would ever do it or want to do it, but maybe that's not the end of the world. But… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Self-sacrifice as a masculine virtueI've always believed this largely has to do with the fact that an individual man is far less valuable to society as a whole than an individual woman, from a biological standpoint. Let's use a major disaster or war for example. If you send a few thousand men out to die, society won't really be affected. Population will go down a bit but birth rates can continue on just fine. In an absolute worst case scenario, people would just engage in polygamy, maximizing birth rate potential (capped by the po… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/23 04:29 AM |
| 82 | Demonization of MenI'll take a shot in the dark: Men have always been seen as "assets" in society but, back when women were more dependent on men for their livelihood, they probably were more likely to grow a sense of personal attachment and loyalty to them. I know this probably sounds like a messed up Stockholm Syndrome type effect, but, I don't think it necessarily has to be that insidious. I'm sure there were plenty of abusive relationships with the man abusing his "breadwinner" status, but, I'm also quite cert… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/23 04:24 AM |
| 6 | It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits.Women already do this. They've already replaced men with pets, OF, or just being alone. What you don't seem to realize is our entire society is built on men doing things for women. The average man needs like a fuckin 10x10 square foot room with an xbox to be completely satisfied on his own. The ONLY motivation for the VAST majority of men to work harder and be successful is to impress women in some way. People here will disagree but everyone knows it's true. Just look at how male teams on shows … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 12:37 AM |
| 11 | CMV: When women talk of men opening up, what they mean is men should open up in women approved ways, for women approved problems and for women approved lengths of timeWomen want men to "open up" in the sense that they want men to become meek and easier to control. People tend to conflate being a slave to your emotions with being "open", which is incorrect. Men want social and mental health support that encourages and supports traditionally masculine ideals. We don't want to have to trade everything we like about being men just so someone will listen to our problems for a change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 12:30 AM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?Also the older man is likely the 'I've had my fun and I'm ready to settle down' type. Wouldn't that constitute a form of "maturity" or "seriousness"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/23 12:14 AM |
| 2 | How do we measure 'gender equality'?Of course not. But, that's how they tend to perceive "patriarchal" society. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/23 12:13 AM |
| 1 | CMV: traditional marriage vows are too strictI'm not sure if it would be a symptom or the cause. Probably just a symptom; I get the feeling people want less strict rules because they're no longer willing or able to attempt to follow them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/23 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityI don't disagree, it's just our hands are tied because we and other men also rely on men to perform those tasks. If it was something we could opt out of for the sole purpose of showing women what they're taking for granted, I'd be all for it. I just don't see how to do that in such a way that wouldn't also have the side effect of hurting men as well. But maybe that would be necessary. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/23 03:32 AM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?Older doesn't mean they want a serious relationship Do you think an older men is less likely to want a serious relationship than a younger man? When you picture a "player" or "fuck boy", are you imagining a 30+ year old or a 20-25 year old? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/23 03:30 AM |
| 3 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?You'd be in for a rude awakening, tbh. Most men are inherently very low value; no one cares if they're happy, comfortable, even if they live or die. Women might have some disadvantages in some areas but, generally speaking at least people actually care what happens to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/23 03:26 AM |
| 1 | What is your age and what age do you find most physically attractive in women?I'm 32. My physical preferences for women are: - Long hair (colour doesn't matter much but gun to my head I prefer dark hair) - Cute face (never was attracted to that angular "striking" look many models and actresses have) - Average height - Thin and visibly fit, but does not have to be a hardcore fitness model or athlete. Just basically eats okay and goes for some walks every week. - Always had a things for big boobs but, not essential (and rarer anyway due to the above characteristic) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 09:02 PM |
| 1 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityI don't think it's truly sexist/misandrist though. Reason being, people tend to forget that the human experience is not and has never been simply intracultural conflict, there is also human vs environmental conflict. When there's a natural disaster, how many of the people rescuing others, carrying people away, lifting heavy objects off of other people, risking their lives, etc, are men vs women? It's obviously that the vast, vast majority of the people in these roles are men, which supports the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:37 PM |
| 3 | How do we measure 'gender equality'?The feminist argument against claims of "apex fallacy" is usually something like women face worse discrimination/issues than men at any given "level" in society. I'd say an easy refutation to that though is the rates of job-related injuries/death, suicides, incarceration rates, and other issues that affect men vs women. Historically this is also true. Rome is a good example: in Rome common women were relegated to baby makers, which feminists would claim is demeaning and oppressive. However, equa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:32 PM |
| 2 | How do we measure 'gender equality'?I'd say patriarchy can exist, it just doesn't exist the way feminists tend to claim it does. Also patriarchy isn't inherently a bad thing. My grandfather was a quintessential "patriarch" of the family, yet he was respected and loved by everyone. When he died, it left a huge hole in the family. The classical definition of a patriarch is simply the male head of a tribe or family. There is nothing inherently bad about patriarchy, unless you're diametrically opposed to any hierarchies whatsoever. Bu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:25 PM |
| 1 | How do we measure 'gender equality'?It's called appeal to authority, and it's dangerous because bad actors can manipulate and betray your trust in their (real or perceived) expertise. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:23 PM |
| 3 | How do we measure 'gender equality'?Amazingly well written. Honestly I've often told people that one reason I'm not happy with the modern day treatment of men (and sometimes white men specifically), is because growing up I always acted in good faith. Always treated people well, always tried to help others and do the right thing, always was involved in my community, etc. So to then enter a world where I'm judged almost exclusively by the actions of at times ancient or completely unrelated people to me who simply happened to share m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:20 PM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?Immaturity? You implied it with the comment about older men being more serious = bullshit. Older men, generally speaking, ARE more serious. As you get older you tend to gain maturity, wisdom, and experience. It's not a 100% guarantee but it's typically true. Probably the reason you and the other poster are having issues with older men, is because you're exposed to the leftover pile of older men that were unsuccessful: the losers. Well put together older men are likely already in successful relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 08:14 PM |
| 7 | "If you want a movement for men so bad, just start one yourself. There's nothing stopping you."Absolutely the case. If your life sucks and everyone but "Top G" tells you to fuck off, then what do people expect? Obviously people in a moment of desperation and vulnerability will gravitate towards the people who are at least superficially claiming to care about what's affecting them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:13 PM |
| 17 | "If you want a movement for men so bad, just start one yourself. There's nothing stopping you.""feminism is the Big Umbrella of fighting for Equality, be a feminist first" Right, and a big problem with this logic is deference of interests. It's very possible that men have separate issues they would like addressed that feminists do not share, prioritize, or even acknowledge. And even if feminists appeared to (superficially) agree with and try to help you solve some of your problems, again, you will always be beholden to their core beliefs and fall under their, as you put it, "umbrella". Bu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:09 PM |
| 6 | "If you want a movement for men so bad, just start one yourself. There's nothing stopping you."Good points and I'd say one of the main issues is the fact that mainstream culture and political philosophy tends to group all men together and act as if we're a monolith that equally benefits from any real or perceived advantages that some men have. But the reality is that throughout history men have been treated as disposable assets by women AND men, especially elite, powerful men. Most of the issues feminists have with power structures in the world today are exclusive to a tiny percent of men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 08:04 PM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?women who are just pretty don't have any more opportunities than other women apart from maybe getting approached or having drinks bought for them more often This is incorrect, but it's understandable most people think this way because, and no offence intended here but, most people are nowhere near observant or thoughtful enough to understand how advantages in society actually work. For a "pretty girl" it's not going to be men coming out of the woodwork showering her with gifts and money. It's th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:52 PM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?That's gigacope. There's immature older men sure, but, they're immature BECAUSE they're still acting like a zoomer. If you put the average zoomer in a room with the average millennial or gen Xer, the differences in maturity level would be staggeringly apparent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:49 PM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?If you're being meta, you're one of the smartest ones here. If you don't realize what you're really saying, you're still inadvertently giving one of the smartest answers. there's plenty of women who are hot who don't look for ways to manipulate men or manipulate the system. Exactly, because they're smart enough to just allow it to happen naturally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:46 PM |
| 3 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?It's not that, it's just the ones who aren't dumb have a plethora of opportunities. Honestly the fact that more women aren't extremely successful is a sad testament to how dumb they can really be, lol. Men are dumb too, don't get me wrong but, if I had half the inherent value and opportunities that a woman has plus my current intelligence/work ethic, I'd be way farther in life no doubt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:44 PM |
| 1 | If you were a pretty 21 year old women how would you make the most of your looks?Overtly taking advantage of youth and good looks would be a low-mid tier intelligence move. The true high IQ move for a young hot girl is to pursue high end fields of work knowing that the Halo Effect will carry the fuck out of you. The smartest hot girl I knew just played dumb when 99% of the men she met simped for her and made her life 10X easier. Just act aloof, nice, and hard working, and let men's absolute slavery to their biological impulses do the rest for you. Overtly capitalizing on you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: traditional marriage vows are too strictI find a lot of people these days tend to miss the point of strict rules. I agree that ultra dogmatically adhering to things like this probably isn't great, but, there is some strategy behind having hardcore rules like this: It's because we KNOW people are fallible and will fall short of most if not all expectations. So, we set expectations very high knowing that when people inevitably fall short, they still land in an acceptable area. If we lower expectations, people will still inevitably fail … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:38 PM |
| 1 | Pleasing a man sexually as a woman is so much easier than pleasing a woman sexually as a manMy biggest issue with this isn't that it's inherently harder to get a woman off, because it simply is, it's just biological reality. My issue is that women tend to hold men exclusively responsible for both of their pleasure. Men are often shamed for "not being able to get a girl off", but imagine if a man tried to shame a woman for not getting his dick hard or not getting him off? I've experienced the full gambit of all of these possibilities in my life. At times where I just couldn't get off (u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:34 PM |
| – | The decreasing value of people in todays society, especially menWouldn't that result in women becoming even more picky than they already are? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Looks are NOT close to the most important thing for womenAgreed to a degree, but, you're underestimating the impact of the Halo Effect. The problem with a lot of these lines of thinking is that people often forget to analyze things beyond a few surface level points. Example, let's take your opening premise: that women care more about a man making her feel good and happy and emotionally invested in, etc. Well, it's certainly true that women can get this from an unattractive man. However, an attractive man will be more likely to make the woman feel this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Do you care about a women's income when it comes to dating?I'm not a huge fan of career-focused women as they seem to be bad at time management and/or simply don't care to assign you any priority in their life. In my experience anyway. My best relationships have been with women who work enough to get by and make okay money. Women who work really hard and make lots of money, in my experience, are not very good romantic partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/23 06:53 PM |
| 2 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreMaintain frame bro | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/23 12:37 AM |
| 2 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreAgreed, good points, and it's happening in many areas of society. There is a lot of biting the hand that feeds us going on these days, and I can't imagine society as a whole can continue along this path much longer before we reach a breaking point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/23 12:35 AM |
| 15 | From Andrew Tate to Sneako to JustPearlyThings to Fresh&Fit, virtually every major Red Pill creator is right-wing or leans that way. Meanwhile young men, their target audience, continue to vote overwhelmingly for the left. This shows that TRP isn't working and will never be mainstreamLike left-leaning women who support progressive politics but turn into "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" conservatives when talking about lonely men. Just made a post talking about this, and it's so true. Also how a lot of women and leftists in general have absolutely no problem profiling and stereotyping "men" as being violent or untrustworthy in relationships. But if you were to ever make the same statement and add the word "bl*ck" in front of "men" whoops suddenly now you're an evil racist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/23 12:19 AM |
| 6 | Are people who criticize passport bros. hypocritical in this sense?I've never had a problem with passport bros. Used to work with one. If you're not able to make yourself more attractive or desirable where you live, I don't see the problem with trying to go somewhere where you will be more attractive or desirable. Do people just expect low value men to wallow in self pity and take it up the ass for the rest of their lives? It's just the relationship version of the stupid "bootstrap" mentality. "Just be cooler/hotter/wealthier/etc!" yeah you just have to wake up… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/23 12:16 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill will become mainstream because the gender divide has become impossible to ignoreIt's the social version of the problems we're facing with economics. Socialism is to economics what things like TRP (or other commonly associated philosophies) are to relationships. In reality neither socialism or TRP offer any meaningful long terms solutions to any of the problems they address, but, instead they are a result of people lashing out at the perception that the system is failing them, and failing to acknowledge and reward them accordingly. The solution is to re-introduce moderate de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/23 12:12 AM |
| 6 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreYou could probably boil TRP's best teachings down to just embracing individualism. When you learn a little about individualist vs collectivistic thought, you start to understand very quickly why women (and weaker, more effeminate or left-leaning men) tend to think and behave the way they do. Collectivist people are incapable of surviving and thriving on their own, therefore they have to form some kind of collective pseudo-hive mind from which they derive some sort of strength/protection. Kinda l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/23 12:02 AM |
| 12 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreMen's biological drives are our main worst enemy when it comes to women. Women are capable of just abandoning relationships with men and still being happy. Men (at least, most men) are not capable of this, we have a very strong drive to want female companionship. That's why even ultra successful men including the most wealthy and powerful billionaires on Earth still chase tail and get married. I would argue that women are quite callous towards men and rarely if ever stop to consider the implicat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 11:53 PM |
| 1 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreNobody hates men. But when you go on RP forums and read how awfully men treat women, it’s very hard to view men as good people. And you accuse me of misandry. Funny how quick people are to notice trends when it's not about a politically protected class of people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 11:48 PM |
| 1 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreFor many women, male problems = men's responsibility, female problems = men's responsibility. Not to generalize too much, but, I've noticed this line of thinking with most far left-type ideologies, including and probably especially feminism. They want "society", "white men" or just "men" to take full accountability and responsibility for all the negative things that happen in the world. But when good things happen they're quick to switch back to strictly individual achievements. So for example i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 11:46 PM |
| 3 | It is valid that women dont want to engage in relationships with men anymoreThe fact that this attitude exists (going in both directions) and is not all that rare, is just more evidence that modern (Western, primarily) culture is incredibly decadent and on the verge of collapse. There's zero chance this much hatred, division, and complete lack of social cohesion is sustainable without some kind of extreme intervention. Men and women forming strong bonds and raising families is as intuitive and intrinsic to being human as breathing air. The fact that we're this far gone … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 11:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Red Pill is nothing more than a misogynistic women hating movementRed Pill ideology might not be great but, what's the alternative? "Blue pill" ideology is just burying your head in the sand. I've never heard a "blue pill" solution to any problem men might face in the dating world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/23 02:44 AM |
| 6 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.One issue I have with this argument is how women seem to want to define homemaking and child-rearing as the same kind of "work" a man does when he goes to a shitty job and busts his ass to make money. Personally I wouldn't consider spending time with and caring for my own family to be "work". I have some friends that I've spent a great deal of time helping, do you see me on the internet complaining that I was an unpaid therapist or furniture mover or dog walker? No, of course not, because I enga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/23 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Fathers work harder overall than mothers on average.Welp, that discrepancy comes from the fact that some women (a lot these days?) view their own families and children as a burden instead of something to take pride in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/23 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Women lie about their partner preferences. They self-report preference for intelligent and ambitious men, but they chose the most attractive ones ignoring other traits.Women generally care more about social perception and "fitting in" more than men. Therefore they're typically more likely to publicly state what they're "supposed" to think in order to not ruffle any feathers. Then in their personal lives they do what they actually want to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/23 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Women should identify RP rhetoric and run away from whoever is saying it, or should they?Women aren't a monolith. Reddit is a poor representation of women, it attracts a very small but highly vocal minority of women. There are still millions if not billions of women in the world with values that would easily align with RP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/23 04:49 AM |
| – | CMV: The perception that men are inherently (or most likely to be) net drains on women's lives drives more men to RedPill/Blackpill ideologiesLiterally deranged interpretation of what I said, lol. FDS in action, I suppose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/23 03:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The perception that men are inherently (or most likely to be) net drains on women's lives drives more men to RedPill/Blackpill ideologiesIt goes to show you that women aren't as likely to see men as "companions" or complements to their lives. Women tend to view men as a source of resources. You'll notice many women's standards for men revolve around his social and financial standing and less on his personality (although of course personality is still a factor). But now that women largely have access to their own resources by way of working, they have very little reason or desire to be in a relationship with a man. I think it just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/23 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Can most men really afford to cut off women who don't reciprocate their effort?Statistically they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/23 11:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: We have turned relationships into leisure, most relationships are no longer focused on starting a family or working towards a common goal, as a result people are naturally gonna get pickier with their optionsAgreed but I'd say it's a little skewed in favour of women since men, statistically, are happier in relationships and therefore still have a natural tendency and desire to pursue women, even if they're otherwise satisfied in their lives. Women tend not to have this desire and instead tend only to pursue men when they really want or really have to. I always think like this: Look at every King, Emperor, billionaire, etc. Basically every ultra powerful man. Virtually ALL of them get married and hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/23 11:09 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Approaching Tons of Women as a strategy to not be alone will always workProbably one explanation why some "smart" people end up failing to accomplish things while some "dumb" people succeed (generalization, obviously). Sometimes a "smart" or "thoughtful" person will sit there trying to rationalize and conceptualize everything, and eventually talk themselves out of even trying something because they think it's futile. Meanwhile a dumb guy just blunders in and does shit repeatedly until they win. That kind of applies here. I'm not saying everyone who runs game is "dum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/23 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women DoTo understand this dynamic all you have to do is look at the way men and women generally are. Women look at relationships in a calculated manner. To a woman, committing to a relationship is a burden. Having children is physically demanding, potentially dangerous, and a burden. Raising children is a burden. For a woman to sacrifice much of her personal and financial autonomy, and possibly even her physical well being, she must be strongly, strongly motivated. This is probably the main reason wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/23 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Does the past ever matter?The past always matters. Human beings are intelligent creatures, and one oft underrated facet of our intelligence is our pattern recognition capabilities. We have an unmatched ability to detect patterns in behaviour, character, ideology, appearance, etc, link them to statistical consequences, and use this to inform future decisions, effectively "hedging our bets". This is why, for example, a human can learn that it's bad idea to cross the road during rush hour, but dogs will blunder into traffic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/23 03:34 AM |
| 1 | If women used the word "compromise" instead of "settle", things would be better.The problem is many women, especially in the West, no longer need or even want to be in a relationship. That means for her to engage in one there has to be a huge draw, else she will simply pass. Men, on the other hand, are very driven and motivated to be in relationships. Men are far more statistically likely to be unhappy outside of a relationship than women are. Men are also typically more horny than women and have a harder time tempering their desire to have sex with women with making good, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/23 03:21 AM |
| 2 | Why are so many men against abortion given that most them just want casual sex?I'm not against abortion although I am not particularly happy with how revered it is in the modern West. Here's three main positions I feel like men adopt when they are anti-abortion: 1) Religious: this is an obvious one, and really doesn't need explanation. 2) Non-religious but still firmly believe in the right to life at conception. There is no perfectly defined starting point for a human life but the moment of conception is as reasonable as any. From the moment of conception, the human is dev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/23 03:10 AM |
| 5 | Q4Tate Supporters, What Exactly Do You Like About His Worldview/Ideology?Couple of things about Andrew Tate: My personal views on him: I actually don't much care for his lifestyle (or at least the lifestyle he portrays). I strongly disagree with having multiple partners, even if it is consensual. I strongly disagree with commanding women to serve you or forbidding them from leaving your property. What I do like is his motivational speaking capabilities. He speaks in a fun, endearing, and provocative manner. When you listen to Andrew Tate rant about something, even if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/23 03:00 AM |
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