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So you only see exclusively abusive men seeking relationships? If so that’s quite a lot of abusive men the vast majority of men are seeking relationships and I don’t think they are all abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 09:10 PM
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At the most basic level fairness in this context would be ability to be involved at all. What subjective preferences? Women are choosing to be with the few men they are attracted to because the natural necessity to partner is now being taken care of for them making it unbalanced. It doesn’t need to be balanced, like I have made very clear it is now both morally wrong and completely in achievable, but to not acknowledge it as being unbalanced is very simply not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:39 AM
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The reason it’s a prerequisite for fairness is that naturally women would have needed to partner to survive or at the very least be far better off. So when that gets removed you will be left with an unbalanced partnering environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:15 PM
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No because if all men did that women would just rise their standards again to filter them out once more because it isn’t men at all certain level that women consider “bettering” but men a certain level above other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:14 PM
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That is still entirely better than always being excluded never to have a chance. Yes I very much understand the no sex part. Do you understand that the men who are excluded by women don’t get to experience that anyway? That would still be her choice and she could always just find someone else. It isn’t men’s choice to be forced to have the need to partner so strong it’d maybe only be second to the desire to live itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:29 PM
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It makes a difference because that is simply what we as men are forced to desiring biologically. You might as well just tell someone to choose to be gay, that isn’t just a choice a man can make. The difference is simply that it is what men are forced to desire, that’s the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:16 PM
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When did I claim women don’t want partners? I explained how women don’t have the built in need to partner rather the desire to partner with very desirable men as evidenced by only partnering with 30% of them. Well considering less are even able to partner at all compared to the generations included in that majority that had children, that is a pretty big requirement for being able to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:12 PM
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I thought you were talking about someone setting for me? If she were setting with me it’d still be her choice. This is the difference that seems to keep popping up men’s desire to partner doesn’t even require anything out of it, while women seem to have no such similarity. Now obviously a guy who could will still rather have what he wants but in the event he can’t, being single is still much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:03 PM
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The alternative is less than no love. I would even need the sex involved at all like I said the alternative doesn’t include it either. No we just wouldn’t have sex in this scenario why would I force this hypothetical woman to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:50 AM
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Do you think most men are abusive leeches? Because those 70% of women that are partnering are only doing so with around 30% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:48 AM
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The other person themselves is that thing. It would be pretty impressive if someone was able to split into two or maybe develop a second personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:44 AM
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It is biology that says so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:40 AM
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For myself personally being settled for is absolutely better in every way compared to singleness no love or sex needed even ever as those thing wouldn’t be possible in the alternative anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:39 AM
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You do realize that men in the same age range of 18-29 are single at a rate of 63% (from the newer version of that study) all the while age difference remained too low to not make a difference, this actually shows men at the top are accommodating most women and it seems to be getting worse. The older demographics you include the less important the data becomes because you are including women who partnered/were influenced by a totally different dating environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:18 AM
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As I specifically stated I don’t advocate for any of this or think it is possible or viable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:55 AM
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Obviously women will make their own, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:36 PM
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Not more than men and certainly not enough to justify marriage to a person better than you in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:19 PM
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Only if their desirability was around the same, you seem to be caught up on looks if you only consider that I can see how you could have this misconception.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:16 PM
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Not true at all women both under rate men and over rate women, 96% of women think themselves above average, men rate women on a bell curve while women rate men on a downward slope which is an impossible to be true unnatural distribution, and men who rate themselves high rate everyone high meaning they don’t overrate themselves their scale is just higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:14 PM
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Under 30% of men are able to partner. All other data is skewed by older dating environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:04 PM
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Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:01 PM
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I don’t expect you to understand you only could if that was your existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:01 PM
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Absolutely trying to enjoy the best you can even with a horrible existence is great, with that being said, Do you not think that some people here enjoy being here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:51 PM
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Orbiters has little to do with this a woman can have orbiters that are entirely better than her and she could still not find them good enough. I’m not what your comparison is supposed to be showing as it is still entirely possible to be in line with my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:48 PM
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Yes, with the caveat that in order to be positive to her a man must be entirely better than most men and herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:43 PM
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I’m sorry but just because you think they have no chance doesn’t mean they anything contrary to my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:43 PM
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And you also know less than a tiny fraction of men, not only that but are less likely to associate with one that is deemed an exclusion by women. You could only understand were you forced to be not just single but single as a man. The reason is isn’t fair is our needs to partner come from different reasons and after a certain point of advancement women’s need to will be taken care of my society, by men she doesn’t need to partner with or even interact with, while men’s which is baked into his in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:36 PM
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:31 PM
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Men’s desire to partner is far more common they only men who desire that are the ones who are at the very pinnacle and are spoiled by choice in a similar, but lesser extent, way that women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:29 PM
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Kinda like they are trending to do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:24 PM
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…..yeah they do spam ALL WOMEN not just the beautiful ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:24 PM
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Most people would be skewed in a way no longer indicative of the trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:23 PM
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Ok, glad I could help.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:21 PM
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Yeah they usually can.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:20 PM
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Not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:19 PM
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It’s fair because the only way women even get away with such things is because the need for men has been taken care of by men that they no longer need to partner with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:18 PM
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There is nothing to help this cause it is the inevitable consequence of human advancement. There is no helping it and any effort to try and change things would be fruitless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:15 PM
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Only if you include older women involved in or influenced by past dating environments is this true, and men that are better than most CAN actually accommodate the having kids part for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:11 PM
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You can certainly lose a lot for being single, your life even, we don’t even need to jump to bad relationships although I suspect women consider anything but their perfect partner a “bad” one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:07 PM
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Only if you include something extremely drastic and detrimental like a lobotomy or some other extremely mentally destroying procedure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:04 PM
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The need to be partnered, I understand you may not have that but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. How would you meet a need that requires another group that doesn’t want you to meet it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:02 PM
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Due to the overwhelming amount of women that only partner significantly up, it’s no surprise that anyone dating/marrying someone so far up would have to give more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:29 AM
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Only the ones who are desirable enough to attain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:27 AM
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A perception from women in the opposite direction is the result of both projection and a lack of self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:27 AM
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I’m sure some men can find some happiness or at the very least distraction in a great many things but it would be completely impossible to eliminate the need to partner as an innate top priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:24 AM
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The problem is it’s women’s perceived idea of “better” which to them only includes a narrow few.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:19 AM
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No because women require a partner that is better than most in order to intentionally filter out genetics and in the event that better than most guy is unable stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:18 AM
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If only….
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:15 AM
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Good luck with your phone I guess..?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:42 AM
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I think women would still choose to be in situationships with the top men or being single over another average person like herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:40 AM
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? I’m not sure what you are referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:27 AM
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Any and all traits. A man certainly needs more than to not be a fat slob to be in any way physically attractive to a woman, women’s standards for physical attraction is far too narrow for a simply not overweight guy to even move the needle. Social skills play a part but it’s a total misconception that every man could improve them to a level that matters and is closely tied to your inherent personality than people realize, so while it will help, it too won’t be able to move the needle for a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:26 AM
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It is interacting with people and seeing relationships in real life that ENFORCE these truths. Although I can see why women are unable to see it as their dating world is entirely different so they could never know what it’s actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:39 AM
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This is certainly a factor but there is also the fact that women’s entire biological drive to partner is based on getting the best or none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:23 AM
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No, you, didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:13 AM
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Men only need to know she is a woman to tell that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:08 AM
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Essentially men need and except far less from women than the reverse while having a large enough individually range to cover all women. I can’t really break it down more than that sorry if you don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:07 AM
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Not 1% obviously but in order to be considered “bettering” for women you must be better at the very least than all other men she sees and posses traits impossible to obtain through effort alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:04 AM
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Incorrect, women without an external need to partner will hold out for a guy that is very desirable while excluding all other men, And this is what women consider to be “bettering” their life’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:59 AM
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Because men have that desire biologically while women have the desire to explicitly exclude men that aren’t a certain caliber above most. It was more fair when both men and women had the need to instead of now with just men. The thing is men’s desire to partner is one of the most import instincts of humanity we wouldn’t be here without it and it still exists to save us should we need it to, although unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:05 AM
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I’m sure it would help but then you’d just have those women staying single instead of choosing situationships with men at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:46 AM
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But you’d be choosing it, the world right now men are forced to be regardless of how much effort they put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:44 AM
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Men are excluded while women are aren’t not because men are worse partners but because men don’t need someone who is better than most in order for them to be considered bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:42 AM
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Why are you here then? These things are all great to help mitigate being excluded yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:39 AM
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I’m not sure why you bring up sex, men have the need to partner. Sex not even needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:38 AM
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Not when women don’t like men that aren’t better than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:27 AM
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What about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:27 AM
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Men’s need to partner is ingrained naturally so when society gets to a point where women no longer need the things they naturally would from men that leaves only men with that desire. (The desire to just partner not to hold out for the best)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:04 AM
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Because it is the most important imperative for men second only in some cases to life itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:52 AM
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No it would just be redistribution of people with worse lives to be more even between men and women instead of more men. In reality there is no solution anymore since we can’t go back to having enough external factors for women to pair up with most men. Best we can do is simply widely acknowledge it’s stacked against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:51 AM
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Men don’t and never have chased “beauty queens?” Men’s standards are always based on their opinions and always include their equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:31 AM
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Men can’t just change the fact that not all of us can believe above average enough for women to consider them “bettering” their life’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:19 AM
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So would you rather partner with someone who is middle of the road not your ideal but not a negative, or stay single?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:15 AM
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You can only make their lives so much better as for men the desire to partner is immutably innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:55 AM
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The only option for it to be fair yes, which is why I said I don’t think it can or should be anymore. They certainly should be taught not to expect it at all anymore, but this will do absolutely nothing to help men’s much higher need to pair up. Women are more content being they now no longer need to and can fulfill their desire to eliminate a large portion of men especially from the gene pool, knowingly or not. Because men’s need and desire to partner wasn’t from outside factors but much higher…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:50 AM
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Because if women no longer have outside influence s to pair up you are left with only men having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:38 AM
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No they did the opposite of what you claimed those on YouTube did and tried to cut it and comment in a way that made them look better. But the fact was that they just didn’t preform well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:06 AM
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Even if women find it a nightmare to be with most men, men find it a nightmare to be alone so it would still be more even between men and women despite being the same number of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:04 AM
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Yes, but only if you are a man will this exclude you completely from all women. You can also not have enough positive traits as a man even if you have no negative and still be excluded, there are quite a few men that if they were the best they could be wouldn’t be good enough for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:47 AM
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The problem is that there is supposed to be need to partner between both, aside from pure attraction, men have that built in and women’s would come from outside things like protection, provision etc. but now that most women don’t need that from a partner it’s one sided with men still having theirs built in and women getting it without a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:42 AM
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Again I’m explicitly not advocating for any of this. It would be about the same in terms of people with worse life’s it would just be more evenly spread out between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:29 AM
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No not unliked by all men like the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:54 AM
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This is a common misconception, the actual difference is that men just need less from their partners in all aspects, just having one at all being a plus for most of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:30 AM
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It would be fair because men and women would have the same base need to partner instead of just men having that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:23 AM
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Should you not have the option to participate it will always be there in the back of your mind, save for a few moments of distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:56 PM
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Not necessarily, that’s why I explained I’m not advocating it should be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:30 PM
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I explicitly explained that I’m not advocating for this, just that it’s a prerequisite for women to not have an entirely dominant position in the dating environment. I agree it will only move forward and become harder and harder for men, that’s why the only thing to really do would simply be to widely acknowledge this large disadvantage men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:28 PM
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No, I actually say I am explicitly not advocating for this. Was responding to the person saying that wasn’t happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:24 PM
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For example Bear Grylls himself was going in with the mindset to “prove” that women can be just as good survivalists as men and that says a lot about what they were likely trying to do with the whole show.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:22 PM
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Did you ignore the part where I explained how I don’t advocate that this should happen? It should just be widely known that it is weighted against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:06 PM
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Just to be clear I’m talking about men that aren’t doing anything morally wrong or unethical just the types that women can’t feel attracted to. So are you of the position that people can change their inherent personality? Even if men could do that it’s quite sad that that would be needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:02 PM
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Why jump to “nightmares of human beings”? I don’t think most people are I don’t believe most people are “nightmares of human beings” maybe that’s one of the differences between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:54 PM
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The ones that women don’t like whether it’s personality or looks both are just as exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:48 PM
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I don’t understand what having roughly equal numbers has to do with men having it far worse alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:39 PM
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Yeah that’s the whole point. In order for women to only partner with those she perceives as bettering her life a lot of men must be excluded from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:15 PM
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If you are saying that those things can dull the pain then sure I agree, it’s best to do something to mitigate the suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:13 PM
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No this is completely false as men’s standards are entirely dependent on their options. It isn’t men that are holding out for their perfect partner or even their preference for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:09 PM
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Men put just as much priority in being able to partner as women put in not being forced to partner that’s the difference. Men feel the same way about being forced to be alone by women doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:02 PM
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It is just like how women only want that guy that makes their life’s “better”. For men being able to partner at all is at a similar level.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:58 PM
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That’s the problem and why one group will always be privileged over the other women’s life’s seem to be awful when they can’t have someone who “betters” their life as a partner and would choose to be single while men’s life’s are awful when they are unable to partner and are excluded by the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:55 PM
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I’m not talking about an abusive relationship. Just one that wouldn’t necessarily fit your definition of making you life “better”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:51 PM
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Unless you either created a miracle drug or lobotomized men it would be impossible to. Women can only consider certain men as “better” for their lives naturally excluding a large portion of men despite their efforts. That’s why for most of the past it was more fair and sustainable dating environment. The point is that from this point on it will be unfair and entirely in women’s favor so the only viable solution would be to widely acknowledge it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:39 PM
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Incorrect women, given the mentality of only partnering with men who in their perception improve their life, WILL exclude a large portion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:34 PM
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I believe that’s entirely impossible unless we are able to create some sort of miracle drug or procedure. Sure that’s why I’m not necessarily advocating for it, even if less men would be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:32 PM
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I see most women saying they’d only enter a relationship that betters their life do you not think that’s what’s happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:29 PM
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I actually said I didn’t want this nor did I define how women’s life’s would need to be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:25 PM
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It’s fair because men are punished for not pairing up. The lowest level of fairness would be opportunity to do so in the first place, something all woman have access to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:24 PM
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Because it isn’t biologically possible for most men to do so, I’m sure there are a few that can find it possible to do that but it isn’t an option for most. Women as a group can only consider a relationship “bettering” for her life if they are excluding a large portion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:21 PM
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Your mentality can only exist within men that aren’t excluded from the dating market entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:17 PM
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At the simplest lowest level it would be opportunity to even be involved in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:15 PM
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Like I said I don’t think it should or can be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:13 PM
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Does it suck to you more than being partnered with a man that doesn’t fit your preferences? If so I don’t believe that view is the majority for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:12 PM
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We have that right now and it is causing the opposite because for women to be in a relationship where her life is “better” they MUST exclude a large portion of men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:04 PM
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Because they didn’t do well enough to survive on the island, despite the show doing all they can to try to make the woman seem better off than they were. Maybe that perceived bias you find in the summary videos is because the show was actually biased towards the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:36 PM
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They wouldn’t have created a place to even be able to live…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:20 PM
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This probably has to do with the fact that men don’t need as much affinity towards their partners to still be happy and even to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:02 AM
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The human race wouldn’t have existed this long.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:23 PM
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It isn’t a free market if women still benefit from men societally, an actual free market look far different and likely less moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:21 PM
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I think you are greatly overestimating how many men are actually interested in anal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:06 PM
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For similar reasons women are obsessed with exclusively dating the same type of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:57 PM
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The problem isn’t that all women just have more options it’s that all women have a ton of options while only some men have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:57 PM
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Definitely the latter. I’d rather any other existence than single without choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:54 PM
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I think you underestimate just how terrible or even abusive being alone as a man can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:52 PM
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I usually only see this for single women over 30, And that’s because they had since a very young age to choose any guy they wanted with the only conclusions being her standards were in orbit compared to her desirability or she chooses to be “single” therefore forcing a man to be alone as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 08:51 PM
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I don’t mean to imply that you specifically do this you may be a rare exception for all I know, sorry if it seemed like I was accusing you. It doesn’t even have to be money that is the requirement that women need outside of the person it could be some other achievement, and that would just be the tip of the iceberg even than if he isn’t one of the few types of men women can be attracted to then there isn’t anything at all he can do. The fact is that there are plenty of men that are excluded from…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:05 PM
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Both have the exact same requirement for success of me more desirable than every other man she’s seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:59 PM
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None of those things disqualify women the way men are disqualified for far less. Women ONLY ever have expectations set on them when they date way up. Of course, but in the end it’s men that don’t need anything outside of the woman themselves (mind and body) while women are exclusively the ones that that have requirements outside of the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:55 PM
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This is about how it makes men feel, in this instance he wanted to date a woman the entire time but only after achieving something was that even an option. There isn’t even a comparison from a woman’s point of view because women are the only ones that require things outside of their date himself to even consider them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:38 PM
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We are only starting to see the fallout of women excluding men from partnering so it’ll only get worse as time goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:07 AM
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Some things are far more “individual” than others, to assume everything about a person is completely unique and entirely different from another is just objectively untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:05 AM
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Requiring things outside of himself as in body and mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:01 PM
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A relationship (with the caveat that it includes benefits outside the man himself) yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:57 PM
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You said that if it was biological than there was no way for men to tolerate high n-count women, the good-faith came with the question mark as I don’t think you believe that. Either way men can dislike it but still be more tolerant than women that dislike the reverse. And my point is about women saying they wouldn’t mind but likely would mind given the situation arises but since it happens less for women they will continue to believe they wouldn’t mind. So do you think there are the same number …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:53 PM
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No? I’m sure they are attracted to the thing they want to get from a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:41 PM
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So then is your argument that 100% of men are intolerant of high n-count women? Remember that even if they biologically don’t like that,unlike women, it doesn’t mean that they won’t still partner with them, most men don’t even get their preference much less every trait they want and partnering with someone that has a trait(s) that you don’t prefer is absolutely evidence of tolerance. Than because there are far more women with primary custody far fewer women would ever even be in the position to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:08 PM
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No because there are more men tolerant of high n-count than women of low. I’d argue just as many women wouldn’t want to be a step mother, there are also more step fathers than step mothers. For this to prove anything you’d have to have the same number of men with women friends as vice versa, there are a lot of women that don’t think like you and don’t like their partners to have female friends there are just far less men that have female friends, not only that but you’d have to prove that the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:10 PM
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They are more tolerant of n-count in general because you have to include low and high. There are still a lot of men who are step fathers I’d argue it’s really not that big a gap between men and women. I don’t believe for a second that women are more tolerant towards their partners opposite-sex friends this sentiment probably only exists because women are more likely to have them (for the same reason men can be hostile towards them)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:23 PM
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They probably are empathetic and caring…… just to men they deem genetically worthy all the rest can suffer for all they care, actively wanting them excluded is their biological prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:18 PM
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Except most of the things you say here would be thought of both by the individual woman and by people in general as the man’s inadequacy’s. And the looks part doesn’t matter at all since men’s attraction is far too varied for any woman to ever be left out for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:09 PM
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Men are more tolerant of everything in a partner (yes even including looks) so it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:03 PM
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In some cases they absolutely are, but in all cases women are exclusively dating men that they can get something from other than the man himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:00 PM
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The difference is that is that there wasn’t some before and than some now it was all weren’t interested before and some may be now, it being different women make little difference because they have the same standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:58 PM
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I think it’s a pretty good analogy especially considering the similarities in requirements for friends and family looking for money and ability to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:56 PM
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New women or not it makes little difference they have the same standards for men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:52 PM
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It’s like if you had friends/family members that always treated you badly, ignored you and wanted nothing to do with you but then suddenly you win the lottery or become extremely successful and all of a sudden those same friends/family members now are trying to act friendly and interested in you. You’re likely to feel some type of way about it and that’s exactly how it’d be for guys in the situation you describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:14 AM
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The best it can possibly get now is that men just acquire things to cope with being excluded from partnering whatever that may be, because in the end getting rid of the desire is completely impossible akin to trying to get rid of the desire to sleep, eat or even just breathe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:01 AM
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If you were to look at it only within a historical context you may have a point I just don’t see that happening anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:03 PM
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Maybe you are around much older couples? Because this isn’t something that happens often in the way you describe anymore unless the man had some extreme desirability leverage over the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:44 PM
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I don’t ever see men telling their wives what to do in the current environment not even politely or as a suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:38 PM
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And I’ve never seen a single situation where the wife was nagged or nitpicked more than the husband, especially now days when women aren’t held to any standards at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:21 PM
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I would assume just “pumping and dumping” or multiple relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:14 PM
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The problem is that women now date up in every possible trait so maybe in the past this could be true but that is far from the current trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:22 PM
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“it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:21 PM
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For most men it would be that they don’t have the luxury of finding perfect compatibility like women do so as long as you are there and willing the rest doesn’t matter, and then for a much smaller amount of men they won’t care because they are entertaining the rest of the women as well so they need not learn about every one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:18 PM
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I sure hope so, women certainly deserve it for what they continue to do to men to even end up like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:12 PM
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Because it simply happens more to men, if a term rarely applies to one group compared to another it stands to reason that it would imply that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:10 PM
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The difference is that it’s far better to have a lot of options but not be able find someone good enough for you (women), than it is to never be good enough for someone and not have an option (men)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:05 PM
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There is absolutely not somebody for everyone out there, some men will always be excluded by women and some women will never find a guy good enough for them or the guy good enough for them is too far above themselves in desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:02 PM
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I mean above her in regard to desirability, as in only receptive to even finding a connection with men more desirable than herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:58 PM
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Yeah it doesn’t work that easily for men, especially not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:02 AM
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Women say they like confidence because they want exclusively very desirable men to approach them and when they don’t they think “oh well he must lack confidence.” As a cope in order to not address the gap in desirability between women and the only men they can find themselves attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:18 PM
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Women only allow that connection to form with men above a certain level of relative desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:03 PM
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I don’t doubt that even a perfect guy can be insufficient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 07:59 PM
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Women only care to find that “love and connection” with men a certain caliber above themselves, willfully shrinks the pool of which you are willing to even try, especially this way, is deserving of blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:56 AM
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Of course, wanting a guy better than her is going to be harder than her equal who she could have by default. But this just means she’s rightfully, accurately judged and certainly not unjustly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:46 AM
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A woman always has the option to have a serious relationship with her equal so if a “lame ass loser” is her equal then yeah that’s still an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:29 AM
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No. But that would mean that she’d be rightfully judged if she ever complains she’s single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:20 PM
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Men aren’t saying don’t trust men they are essentially saying trust men that have no motive in her (men with 0 interest romantically) which would usually fall on family members. I don’t think it’s the same situation for regarding meeting a man for the first time or even with male friends, that logic is simply: trust men to judge men more than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:18 PM
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They do just not the same options that every other woman wants. Just go over to foreveralonewomen like the op mentions and you will find that most of them are unable to find the many options they have attractive even if they are equals. The fact is that EVERY woman has the option to marry her equal should she want but obviously none want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:37 PM
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You mention male guardians and I think this is more in line with this sentiment not trusting random guys but men they know or family. It’s not men saying “choose me not them” it’s men saying “women aren’t good at judging men so they will pick the bad ones.” It’s far more about women’s bad judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:32 PM
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Actually this doesn’t seem to be a contradiction at all if men are implying specifically that “only men understand other men” then saying women inaccurately judge men is consistent with that logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:24 PM
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I mean when you have near infinite options like women do and still fail to partner then the blame is absolutely justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:19 PM
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Introspection is exactly what the woman in this situation lack. I’m not saying it’s their “fault” it’s just biological that they date up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 08:23 PM
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Do you see a person as their hobbies, career, and education? It isn’t that we don’t care about any individual woman’s but when guys say that it means we don’t care WHAT hobbies, career, and education they have and we actually have the capacity, unlike women, to be attracted to women with any level or type of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 08:02 PM
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A common agreement doesn’t make it true. It’s far more likely that these women are just dating too far up and having to compensate more to keep the guy interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 12:01 PM
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I think that a lot of those comparisons have similar ridiculous disparities as well. I think that men need to do more for both attracting and keeping. Women aren’t even willing to humor men that are in their own desirability level so the men that are even able to get into this position is already GREATLY making up for it, now if both were making more equal efforts and desirability in all aspects of the relationship earlier and later, short term or long term than you might have a point but that’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:36 PM
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I think that in general men and women’s views on sex are that it is something a man has to earn from her or something that she gives to him so it’s no surprise that this view will lead to this dynamic. Some would also point to what women “have to” do to look good for men but if we were to include that we’d need to include the overwhelming more work men had to do to even be in this position. In the end I just think it’s ridiculous to compare the two when one side has such a clear biological advan…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:06 PM
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Sure that’s valid. But it’s ridiculous to compare performance when the bar for women is so much lower even if you include any “prep” she may “have to do” to look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:36 PM
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Yes you were you are just framing it differently now for the sake of the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:20 PM
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The instant personal insult huh? Guess I can’t expect any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:18 PM
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Yeah it is pretty yikes that women do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:09 PM
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Ahh yes bigger problems than the second highest biological priority only to life. Inability to date can also have nothing to do with the things you listed and have far more to do with women as a group simply not being able to be attracted to all types of men and specifically excluding a decent portion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:20 PM
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You could argue the other way around that this would be beneficial for men since many more could now be included and women would likely become less full of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:17 PM
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It isn’t hard to see why this disparity exists when all the burden of performance falls on the man meanwhile all the woman needs to do is show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:15 PM
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Not only is it still an extremely important factor but now any bit of importance that has been taken off of financial status/ career success is shifted to immutable desirable genetic traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:51 AM
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Not an unattractive loser but certainly not a 10/10. The disparity only exists because of men’s ability to feel a form of attraction to women they even dislike physically and or emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 03:48 AM
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First we’d need women to stop putting themselves on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:28 PM
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If a “pick me” woman ever tried with her equal it’d be the fastest path to marriage possible. They obviously, like any other woman, don’t even entertain the idea though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:26 PM
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Maybe you don’t but there are insignificant exceptions to everything, some people are also born with extra fingers or become rich after winning the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:21 PM
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Yet women are overwhelmingly interested exclusively in men that would only ever waste her time…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:21 AM
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The worst it could possibly be is neutral for women. Unlike for men where the very fact itself is undesirable, women that claim it makes them undesirable are confusing it with other undesirable traits about themselves and even then those traits can never disqualify her from men only men she considers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:12 AM
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Willfully stupid for what? Getting what they want…?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:09 AM
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I don’t think any guy would have a problem with that, the only issue is that a lot of this would just be a positive thing for men. The reason this can’t be really even close to the same thing is it takes an incredible amount less time, effort and genetic luck for any given woman to get any given man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:06 AM
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Yeah because she sure seems worth fighting for….
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:18 AM
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How is it better now for the not so small portion of men that are excluded from having them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:12 AM
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Women seem to definitely not only have more preferences but more standards just naturally and are far less happy having any of them unmet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:14 PM
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No im saying that in a perfect world were I could just have anything I want I’d want someone similar, but in the real world were I’m already excluded from dating it’s unrealistic to even expect to partner at all. A preference is very different than a standard and I believe that it would surprise a lot of people to lean most men don’t get their preferences met and are fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:34 PM
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I have a preference for being partnered over being alone. If I were to be desirable enough to partner I’d say I’d probably prefer some close to myself in traits but that would be way too high to make a standard even then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:12 PM
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Who makes the final say at the start of the relationship? The employer/woman, who has to do the searching and initiate? Employee/men, Who has the options should they need a replacement? Employers/women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:57 PM
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Unfortunately it’s just realism for today’s women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:52 PM
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I think it comes down to the definition low self esteem is bad but correct self esteem is good, so if an undesirable person were claiming they are undesirable that isn’t low self esteem it’s correct self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:51 PM
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I don’t have any standards other than “be female” because I already don’t have an option with that standard in place so why would I add more?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:48 PM
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Most men? Yeah I’d agree it probably is just about most. But it also isn’t a tiny 1% of men it disqualifies either there are still a good portion of men that are excluded for reasons they cannot control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:49 PM
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It isn’t just reaching the peak it’s simply that not having the right genetics can and will prevent you from reaching an acceptable level at least for what women find acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:10 PM
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To a degree people can change these things but to ignore the reality that these are far more affected by genetics (not just nurture) and luck would just simply be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:50 PM
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No I mean the things you list here are all greatly affected at birth by genetics, yes including charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:40 PM
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All of these things are far more naturally inherent than you realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:18 PM
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They absolutely do not, not even the least desirable, mean and nasty women are called creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:17 PM
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I think it’s just simply that men as a group can have a much wider, more varied and diverse sense of attraction especially compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:13 PM
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She dating up if she is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:04 PM
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Of something that causes something to happen even if unintentional or unconscious?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 04:14 AM
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Because something doesn’t need to be intentionally or consciously doing something for it to be the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 02:26 AM
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It isn’t about it making it equal but totally acknowledgement by all that it is an entirely one sided endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 09:35 PM
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The only thing they need to understand is that they have 0 chance of partnering in the US while they might have a chance somewhere else regardless of the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:34 PM
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The problem is that all women see both themselves as more and men as less so she could never learn her true value or the true value of her partner. Even extremely insecure women still see themselves as better than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:21 PM
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Maybe to encounter them but not to actually meet them as they are only open to interaction with very desirable guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:32 PM
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Women are only ever open to dating up so it goes without saying that if a woman is going to approach a man it’s going to be WAY up and a guy at the very pinnacle of desirability is obviously going to be pretty picky since he can choose exactly who he wants, so in a way yeah you’re right when a woman approaches a man he probably is turned off but not for the reason you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:33 AM
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If she’s dating only up, the way women today do, yes it’s her fault. There is no worse fate than to never have the option to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:28 AM
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I never claimed it was intentional. Or even a conscious choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:18 AM
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Unable to. Being unable to partner is also very predictive of depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:42 PM
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Yes, experience the former group doesn’t get to have. I explicitly don’t want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:17 PM
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Yeah, then at the end they will blame men claiming they were victims the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:05 PM
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They choose to make men suffer just so they can “suffer” later.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:52 PM
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It’s objectively true that womens standards in the US are much higher than most places in the world while the women are less desirable than most places, and it isn’t just being a “loser” that will completely disqualify you it’s simply being below average that will make even the least desirable woman here completely unwilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:20 PM
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Unfortunately never, unlike men, a woman will always have meaningful value to a man by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:15 PM
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The difference is that even undesirable women have “simps” while “pick me” girls still only go for the same few men the rest of the women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:13 PM
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Women have made all ways to meet them ineffective unless you are an extremely desirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:09 PM
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Yours is a position that can only be taken after having fulfilled that desire enough before. Which seems to be in line with most others in the latter category I outlined. So in the end it’s the ones who are excluded completely that are better off entirely having that desire gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:07 PM
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Because men that are very desirable are used to getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:44 AM
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It’s very simple there are few men that women can possibly be attracted to and those men are the ones who can be sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:39 AM
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She can feel a tiny little taste of what it’s like to exist as a man that isn’t in the tiny fraction of top desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:55 AM
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If sex were completely out of the equation being able to partner at all is certainly better than never being able to regardless who it is. It isn’t about finding other things or not being able to enjoy life without, it’s about being biologically FORCED without any way around desiring it second only to living.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:52 AM
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Well yeah because they are average height. The reason women like height is about both genetics and protection, so short women will want very tall men to make up for their own genetics along with the general height = big = protection that all women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:13 PM
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Intimidation is almost never a factor rather successful women are usually far less desirable in both personality and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:09 PM
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Yeah I agree actually I think most men only even get to marry women they think are average, the difference is that men can be more accepting/attracted to women that they are even disgusted by than women can be to average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:08 PM
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Most women wouldn’t even consider a virgin past his teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:04 PM
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Women aren’t attracted to men that are taller than them they are attracted to men that are taller than OTHER MEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:00 PM
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I’m not following, are you saying that since people are out of touch with their feelings they are asking for parters out of their means?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:56 PM
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I just wasn’t 100% sure, so far it seems most people in the latter category I outlined wouldn’t eliminate that desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:01 PM
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So is that no you wouldn’t get rid of that desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:54 PM
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That’s certainly interesting… I can’t even imagine enjoying this type of despair but I’m glad you have a way to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:48 PM
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What do you mean? I was talking about when you are forced into being unable to partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:14 PM
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I think it’s far more biological that they don’t pursue and I don’t think even the threat of extinction could change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:12 PM
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Only the a lucky few men can just adjust to their second highest biological priority in life being unattainable, for most it will only get worse the longer you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:08 PM
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Women would die alone before the vast majority would even consider pursuing men. You would have a couple that do for a couple generations then it’d be over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:05 PM
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But with men no longer actively being the driving force of sex and relationships they would decrease to a point that would be completely unsustainable almost instantly, look how it is now with men still being the driving force women have already made it unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:57 PM
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So then you don’t think it would bring more pain if say you went the rest of your life without being able to fulfill that desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:54 PM
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This would be for those unable to partner or/ be unwilling to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:52 PM
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While that’s also not great it can’t outweigh the innate biological imperative men have to partner even with difficulties doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:48 PM
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Yeah, one of the worst existences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:43 PM
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You are lucky then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:41 PM
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The only thing it would affect in this hypothetical would be specifically your desire to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:40 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:39 PM
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An unfulfillable desire this strong sure is a unique form of torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:40 AM
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Might even be the most damaging thing possible for a man’s mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:35 AM
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Yeah, if there is no way to fulfill that desire it will only bring pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:33 AM
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Well if you are able to flirt with women you’re probably likely to end up with a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:32 AM
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That’s good, I hope all goes well for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:31 AM
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Still a pretty terrible thing to live with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:03 AM
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Maybe one day it’ll be an option as more and more men become unable to partner, we can only hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:02 AM
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The only thing eliminated would be the desire for a romantic partner anything socially aside from that would stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:59 AM
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Nope I’m too small of a guy for any woman to have any form of physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:16 AM
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That wouldn’t work for me there isn’t anything possible to work for me nut maybe somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:01 AM
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I don’t believe that everyone does lose that desire only a lucky few can hope for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:40 AM
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That’s still something I tried 2 years without a like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:34 AM
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But women want to do so while excluding a portion of men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:07 AM
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I don’t think that would eliminate all traces of that desire though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:06 AM
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But my question is asking would you choose to eliminate it if you are unable to have any benefits from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:53 AM
1

You were able to match someone on bumble no?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:37 AM
2

Then assume that it would only effect your desire to partner romantically but you would keep everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:37 AM
1

This question is assuming casual sex is already not happening. It wouldn’t affect consumerism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:34 AM
4

Currently it does actually. You just have to eliminate outdated numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:38 AM
5

Yeah, living with the psychological torture it brings is not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:38 AM
2

So in reality you were the type that could partner but not with someone you wanted. It’s definitely very likely that people like this would be less inclined to eliminate their desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:37 AM
2

As in turn it into the desire for something else? If so do you believe that is possible for most?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:35 AM
2

But women as a whole do not want to do so with all men and only want to make sure a few men get this, so if everyone were partnered women would be unhappy and if they aren’t men will be unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:18 AM
0

That’s why this question is assuming the individual gets no positives from that desire in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:02 AM
3

Interesting. I can’t say my desire to partner has anything at all to do with empathy, I wonder how common this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:00 AM
1

Not the same traits but always men better than most with those traits, so of the few that they can be attracted to there will be variance but that only exists at the top and isn’t actually variance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:57 PM
3

Good luck then.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:19 PM
3

What I’m referring to is hypothetical that a person could remove their desire to partner as for it not to go unfulfilled their whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:18 PM
4

Sure seems that way to me, at least for a not so small portion of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:17 PM
4

Yeah you wouldn’t apply. But you can answer too if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:15 PM
3

So does that mean you think that having that desire despite being unfulfilled makes someone more empathetic? And if so then you think that’s worth being unfulfilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:14 PM
6

Do you think you would feel any different if it wasn’t just that nobody was a good match but that there was nobody?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:55 PM
1

Yeah, and you think there is a lot of men that are better than most in all of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:50 PM
1

Then the biggest change would be there is only a couple generations left for the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:49 PM
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You think there are a lot of men that are better than the majority of others at every trait? There can be a few different types as long as they are all better than most other men at all levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:48 PM
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Oh you said people in your post so I didn’t know. Even then there are probably some exceptions but I can’t think of any right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:20 PM
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I think it depends on a few factors, for instance if a man were to be unable to partner and was a virgin until later years he’d have no choice but to lie about it or be unable to partner forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:17 PM
0

It’s on a similar level to their lives and people can get entitled to that too. The reality is that nobody is actually entitled to anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:07 PM
2

There would be no dating world anymore because humans wouldn’t have made it this far.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:49 PM
3

The reason for this is simple, the solutions for either side’s problems are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:48 PM
0

That can happen when you have a biological desire second only to your life itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:32 PM
2

The ones that are better than most men in all traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:30 PM
1

And the things women need add for her equal are exclusively her while men need to have things that are outside themselves. The ONLY time this would not be true is if a woman was trying to date WAY outside her relative desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:30 PM
9

Come on really? Not only is that far lower on the biological priority list but it isn’t hunting but provision, which men are still doing regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:27 AM
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Seek therapy for what? In an attempt to eliminate any desire to partner? Because that’s impossible it’s biologically ingrained in men nothing a man does to his psyche will ever change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:15 AM
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The reason it’s relevant is that it isn’t men but the disenfranchised group that will feel this way, the way you perceive as entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:09 AM
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I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say there in the second part? Are you saying what’s the point if women were to act the same way if the situation were reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:07 AM
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It wouldn’t work, almost everything women are attracted to is genetic. The difference in desire doesn’t come from women being better but from men having many times more capacity to desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:04 AM
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It’s not entitlement more genuine questions of what to do/criticism of the fact that women can only possibly be attracted to a few types of men. You’d probably have these same thoughts were the shoe on the other foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:00 AM
2

I think you are simply incapable of thinking in a way that isn’t quite so privileged as you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:30 AM
1

So you will believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:53 PM
2

More people are single today than ever because there simply aren’t very many men that women can possibly find desirable enough to even consider. There isn’t even anything men can do about it that’s why on the rare occasion a man does have an opinion he takes it regardless of his preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:44 PM
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It’s laughable to even compare the standards of average men vs women, only extremely desirable men (who women think are average) can even hope to find those things much more set them as a requirement. I think you’d be surprised just how many men happy just getting who they can as opposed to anywhere near their ideal since they won’t even ever have that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:07 PM
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The difference is a woman need only add who they themselves are, while men must add far more than who they are to be considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:30 PM
2

All of this comes exclusively from women only being open to a narrow group of men, this causes the only men they are interested in to sleep around and the men that are excluded to be rightfully resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:23 PM
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I think more of this is caused by an increasing amount of men being unable to have a partner at all in the current times or at the very least forced into long periods of singleness without an option, regardless of what happened historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:19 PM
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Men are increasingly unable to even be in a relationship and forced into long periods of singleness at the least so it’s no wonder there are lots who are dependent on porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:14 PM
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Men can never have the upper hand in dating dynamics because as long as there is a free dating environment some men will always be left out because they aren’t better than other men. Women can only possibly feel attracted to a few types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:09 PM
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The people that give that advice are the people who are always privileged to have it. The only ones that can ever even come close to understanding are the men who are forced to go without.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:11 AM
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You don’t need to look at them to prove hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:57 AM
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1: I wouldn’t be having a one night stand or caring about the sound of a woman’s voice. Because I don’t like the idea of hookups and I don’t put much weight on the sound of someone’s voice. 2: if a man has options to choose from then he is more desirable than most and will probably be pickier than most for commitment since he’ll have the majority of women attracted to him.. 3: his attractiveness is absolutely a factor not only would a less attractive guy not care about something like the sound o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:55 AM
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How common do you think men marrying 40 years their junior is?? Also important to note that in this situation she would have still chosen to marry a guy 40 years her senior….
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:45 AM
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No the pain of being alone has only ever gotten worse, I believe it’s just biological and that ,at least for most, can’t really be overcome I’m sure men can find ways to cope or numb the pain but to be totally fine without would be an impossible task for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:06 PM
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26 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:49 PM
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I don’t think any extended period of being alone can make most men ok with being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:23 PM
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While true I think the amount of men that can truly be happy alone without any form of romantic interaction is an extremely small percentage and I think the reason for this is more biological than socially imposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:50 PM
2

It’s because most men are somewhere in the realm of average and women want nothing to do with them at best or actively want them to be alone at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:05 PM
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If she thinks that 40 is the prime of her life then she’s got a lot more problems than just dating a guy 15 years older…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:02 PM
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Yeah it comes down to how you define it generally women are the ones more requiring of “romance” while men are the ones actually actively doing it, required to or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:01 PM
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Not possible for every man to be happy alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:53 PM
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All a woman needs to do is not date extremely far up and you’ll be good, obviously there will still be some rare outliers but for the most part that’s it. Women routinely treat men like they are dangerous criminals all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:19 AM
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You probably got downvoted because you just said the same thing I said just with sass.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:38 AM
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You outlined how traditional women are the “prize” but the vast majority of women are not traditional and therefore not the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:26 PM
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It isn’t a few individuals but the vast majority of single mothers whose choices led her there. Men already do get blamed for crime all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:58 PM
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The reason single mothers get blame is because most of the time it is her own choices that get her where she is, so yes you should be judged for bad choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:44 PM
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It doesn’t stop at looks either women’s emotional standards are just as limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:40 PM
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Most men would rather the option to have that exact “bad” situation you outlined than be alone without a chance just because they didn’t fit the very narrow collective standard of what women can feel attraction for, because that’s the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:38 PM
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I don’t necessarily disagree but you do realize that this makes the vast majority of current women not the “prize” right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:34 PM
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Not all of them are doing it for that reason just as many are going to other countries in order to have the chance to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:28 PM
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They’d rather continue to try for the very desirable guy until the end than ever consider that she may not be at his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:59 PM
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Because most women are only exclusively considering very desirable men which ends up in women trying to date a desirable man for a while until she realizes he won’t/wasn’t being exclusive so she will eventually move to the next very desirable guy and so on. This is why you see so many women complaining about men not wanting to commit and only wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:31 AM
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Men are judged for what they are unable to do compared to women so the comparison would be the guy that is a virgin and unable to sleep around or partner not a guy that is and they are judged MORE harshly for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:32 PM
2

I had assumed so that’s why I wasn’t referring to you specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:23 PM
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I’m not sir i understand your reply? What I said is essentially don’t have sex so you(generally not you specifically) can’t be used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:21 PM
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When did I justify it? I explained why it happens and why it would continue happening I never made any moral claim about it. The problem is that ultimately lying works and people willing to do so aren’t going to go away so you would have to make lying not work so advise I would give to women for this situation would me don’t give out sex at least for a LONG period of time because if the guy is desirable enough for his strategy to work than he will move on quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:07 PM
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“Hmm… your flair seems apt, I wonder why?” Do you enjoy making fun of people less fortunate than yourself? I have never done or attempted any form of casual hook up. But the fact is that if people can’t get what they want while being honest means some will be dishonest in order to achieve their goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:54 PM
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The only difference being men are the only ones to be able to find value in partners with nothing or at the very least FAR less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:38 PM
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It’s simple, if more we’re upfront about it less would be able to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:36 PM
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The only reasonable requirement is 4 as any higher requirements at all would suggest she is somehow more desirable instead of the reality of being less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:48 AM
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4, and 2. 4 because I think if the guy is THAT much better she won’t even need exclusivity, and I think the monkey branching would depend on the level of the relationship dating? Absolutely, married? Less likely and maybe just result in affairs. 2 because men simply don’t actually want to end up like this, the vast majority wanting to end up married to 1 woman, the only truth being exceptionally desirable men being spoiled for choice in a similar way women as a whole are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:46 AM
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Men aren’t hypergamous because thy simply don’t fit the definition. If you believe women’s standards are anywhere near the same as men’s then that’s completely ignorant at best or intentionally deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:37 AM
3

All men would probably be bettor off leaving American women alone but that’s obviously not very feasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:03 AM
2

Not everyone can so easily leave the country or live in another for a while though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:10 PM
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Sure, but it’s hard to believe if that’s all you’ve ever experienced. This argument goes both ways though because it’s hard to imagine someone that contradicts what you’ve experienced your entire life whether you’re in the US or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:32 PM
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What are the point of these? Women in here will just be disingenuous anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:24 PM
3

Because it’s biologically a higher priority to partner for men. That would be like saying “why do women consider being single better than with a partner they don’t like?”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:21 PM
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I mean to be fair most of red pill are in America as a response to women being some of the worst in the world so unless you leave the US how would they know?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:18 PM
3

The ironic thing is that women’s over exposure to options is what causes men to be “pornsick”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:14 PM
2

Unable to how? All women have at the very least an incredible number of options while young-ish, if you mean unable to because nobody is good enough for them to consider than that is entirely her fault she’s single as she ages, otherwise you’d have to be stranded on a deserted island. One of the biggest misconception people have is that all men can improve themselves to a point that is good enough for women but that is far from the truth. Woman don’t need to improve themselves as men are attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:25 AM
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Stop asking……for women centric solutions? I’m not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:19 AM
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To pick a man while you are young and have near infinite options. And as a counter to that question what do you want men to do when they are born to be undesirable at their best to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:17 AM
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While I think you have a point only in that if sons where raised to be much more similar to each other it would help, since the variance in men is one of the things that is so detrimental, this would only make minor changes even with every single man sufficiently socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:52 AM
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I’m sure that’s a factor but let’s not act like without that woman would be asking out men to anywhere near half the rate men have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 10:10 PM
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So you are saying that “dating” only counts the people who can do so easily? If so then yeah you have a point but at that point we are only counting women and like 40% or less of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:29 PM
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But by that logic overall it’s harder for men on a larger scale if it’s harder to even participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:22 PM
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Men can’t have an easier time dating because the metric for dating success would be how much/easily you are able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:19 PM
3

As long as you’re keeping it honest
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:07 PM
1

No, the solution cannot involve mental health services at all because they address a symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:49 PM
2

I don’t think you understand why men’s mental health is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:37 PM
1

Yeah, so don’t have kids at all is what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:34 PM
2

I guess that’s the end of humanity then, oh well maybe it’s for the best anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:32 PM
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What you don’t understand is that men’s mental health isn’t the cause but the result of things outside their control so attempting to resolve these thoughts first is treating symptoms not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:31 PM
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Then you are just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:27 PM
3

So you are saying men shouldn’t have kids? Because that’s what this would mean in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:27 PM
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For mental health the solutions feminists propose wouldn’t actually help men as they are woman centric because they are incapable of understanding that it takes different things to help men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:26 PM
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I think it could actually be the opposite for example someone might believe blue pill if dating was so easy for them (because they were inherently desirable) that they truly think it’s like that for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:49 AM
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“Pick me” girls is just a term for women that actually put in a little effort to try and partner with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:46 AM
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Expecting there to be a viable solution to male loneliness is futile. Men biologically put partnering as an extremely high priority while women put excluding undesirable men at a higher priority both of these things cannot be fulfilled at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:44 AM
0

I almost wonder if they want their pay to go up just so men will have to make even more to satisfy them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 06:34 AM
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Probably less than 99% but yeah the vast majority of women would rather never date than take any initiative/accountability to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:38 PM
2

They are literally impossible to be imposed by men as men’s standards adjust based on availability.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:06 PM
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I think some of it it legitimately to help men become able to partner, some probably is also just to sleep around but I think there are a lot of misconceptions about how hard it actually is for most men to partner anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:04 PM
1

I think men in general would be more socially skilled since they have to be compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:51 PM
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Not only their choices but their preferences as well, men HAVE to try to make more if they want a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:48 PM
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While it sounds good on paper I think this would just result 99% of men never dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:47 PM
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It’s an issue for the guys that can’t be desirable enough to partner. Granted it’s an unsolvable, at least morally, one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:32 PM
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I don’t think any man should complain about being “beta-buxxed” as the alternative is to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:31 PM
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Nothing can be done. In the past this was alleviated by arranged marriages and women still requiring something from men. Unfortunately as long as the dating game remains completely free and open, as it probably should be even if it hurts men, it is impossible to resolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:24 PM
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The reason it’s better to acknowledge the truth, that there is a portion of men that women are incapable of feeling attraction for, is that it can at least take some pressure off these men to stop trying for the impossible and hopefully people could judge them less harshly if they knew that ultimately it isn’t their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:20 PM
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The problem with this advice is that it does nothing to alleviate the issue of women as a whole simply being incapable of feeling attraction for a good portion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:15 PM
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It depends but it would most likely be the man’s because he couldn’t get himself there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:31 PM
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It doesn’t work because any time women, as the selectors, have access to more of a selection they inevitably become more selective. This has bled into offline as well making offline dating also “not work”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:29 PM
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Men are biologically determined to be whatever it takes to partner and women require being a provider to be one of those things. And as those things they require men to be increase over time it gets harder and harder for men resulting in where we are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:27 PM
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You can’t deal with it as it is unresolvable, you can only try to stay strong while suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:24 PM
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In their mind they do but in reality they’re still going for desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:21 PM
2

Regardless of who wants who if these men are only able to have sex way down then these women still objectively have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:13 PM
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It’s pretty much equivalent to women’s feelings for their partners watching porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:49 AM
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None of this says anything about the relative desirability of the women these men are able to have sex with, which in order for men to have high standards here would need to be shown that men aren’t just able to have sex but have sex with their statistical equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:48 AM
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What I mean is that I don’t think there are few enough men attracted to any trait or combination of traits for it to be rare enough to be considered unorthodox. Unless it was something like disability’s or some disfiguring trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:58 PM
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That aside. I can’t really even think any physical traits that could really be considered unorthodox for men to like at least, maybe aside from facial asymmetry or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:50 PM
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I think for me it’s even further then just shy, quite and cute types while I do like that I don’t think that’s unique enough to warrant an unorthodox trait to like since I think a lot of guys probably find that to be very attractive. Maybe I’m not explaining it right, I think I mean more unconventionally socially minded if that makes sense? Maybe what others would call weird? For instance there is a girl at work who says things that are just kind of weird and hard for everyone to respond to, inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:35 PM
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Yeah what you are talking about is the fake “I’m a helpless girl” kind of clumsiness what I mean is more along the lines of things that would actually embarrass the person along the lines of telling a joke and nobody laughs, talking too quietly so nobody hears and you get talked over or even just saying something weird and everyone just stares at you. I mean if women aren’t ever ACTUALLY socially awkward or in socially awkward situations but just always faking it and imitating anime then I’d be …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:52 PM
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That’s why the comparison isn’t so different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:16 PM
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You aren’t entitled to live either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:42 PM
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Certainly a real thing and it’ll only get worse as men’s ability to partner with who he finds attractive (mostly his equal) continues to decrease as it has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:37 PM
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Men’s expectations can’t be unrealistic because they ALWAYS adjust their standards based on who’s available to them as opposed to women who adjust is based on her ideal. But to answer the question I find social awkwardness/weirdness/nervousness, clumsiness and women who are a little air headed to be cute/endearing, I’m not sure if this is that uncommon or not but none of my friends share the same thoughts on these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:30 PM
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Yet those numbers are more disproportionate than ever before. In the past they did find success but that isn’t necessarily true after the dating landscape has gone through the biggest changes since arranged marriages were the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:14 PM
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I only offered that as another option it’s entirely possible you were just barely not desirable enough and with the improvement in social skills you found success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:09 PM
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The effects of porn are real but it’s more of the effect not the cause as it’s the only outlet for a large portion of men, at the very least for a large portion of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:16 AM
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No because men’s priority is first to partner then second to have a good partner. What you are saying is part of what I explained women’s biological priority though. Now this isn’t to say men don’t also WANT that but if that isn’t an option partnering at all will come first, while for women they will just forgo partnering at all. (as a general rule, as with anything, there are a small number of exceptions.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:11 AM
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The problem with this question is that in the vast majority of cases men can’t date the woman with high standards at all. So the question becomes would you rather date or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:05 AM
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Because for men the number 1 biological priority is to partner aside from self preservation (arguably), while for women the priority isn’t to partner but to only allow“good” genetics to continue and in the event this isn’t possible stay single. Men’s roll is to make sure the human race continues while women’s is to make genetics improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:01 AM
1

Yeah that’s also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:01 PM
2

What I mean is if improving your social skills helped you to reach the point where you were desirable enough than you already had some desirable traits it just took that little bit from the social skills, or you inherently already had a high aptitude for social ability and just hadn’t cultivated it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:46 PM
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You can improve them enough to matter only if you already have enough traits to equal out to desirable after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 08:29 PM
1

It’s fine to have high standards but it isn’t fine to not acknowledge you are looking for more than your worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:43 PM
2

And then they cope falsely claiming“all men do this not just the top guys/way more desirable guys!”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:41 PM
1

The vast majority of women follow this rule already including inexperienced ones. Also important to note that the EXPERIENCED women has similar negatives for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:38 PM
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It’s the same as the start of any relationship: the guy has to pass the very high and narrow standard women have whether he’s a friend or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:35 PM
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It makes some sense as the need men have for women is inherently biological (even excluding sex) this was fine when women needed men but now that they don’t it completely tips the balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:31 PM
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The biggest reason for the perceived disparity is the fact that men just don’t care as much, even if a man doesn’t want to as much as a woman he’ll just care about it less if it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:28 PM
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Social skills matter but you can only improve them to a minor degree higher than what you naturally have, it isn’t just something that every guy has the potential to improve enough to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:24 PM
2

It’s my estimate from the current number of men under 30 in relationships and being generous saying half of them aren’t trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:20 PM
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The point is that different men’s attraction is so much more varied that it includes all women. Obviously the individual will have different preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:04 AM
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Yeah…… that’s what I said….
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:49 AM
3

I don’t mean the individual guy is attracted to all women, just men as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:47 AM
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All data including men over 30 (and probably even then) is assuming the dating landscape hasn’t significantly changed in the last few years (which it has) so it is all outdated and inaccurate. We will have to wait a few more decades in order to actually know how many men are able to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:46 AM
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I don’t think it’s the majority of men but I thinks it’s more than people think maybe 20-30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:19 PM
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It means simply men, unlike women, can have inherent traits that disqualify them from being able to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:33 PM
6

Than I don’t know what you mean by “is it women or is it people”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:40 PM
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Even Suzy has a laid back personality and similar humor all heather had positive was that she had similar taste in media and hobbies. I mean if you just wanted her in there as an example of a relatively undesirable partner then fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:14 PM
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Do you think finding your partner attractive isn’t cold? The only other one here like that is Suzy but she’s at least physically attractive. I think it would be more fair to buff heather to be most attracted to her partner than she might have a chance vs the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:58 PM
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So you’re saying the average option won’t be attracted to their partner? You might be on to something actually. I don’t really see any fewer red flags than the rest, the only difference in her being negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:37 PM
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You didn’t say she’s busty you said “slightly chubby with generic fat distribution” meaning not specifically in the chest but in stomach, face, arms etc. not only that but she isn’t even attracted physically just emotionally attached. She seems to be a bellow average option all around, at least more so than the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:27 PM
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It isn’t people because men as a group are attracted to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:21 PM
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I think they do have a degree of variance in their attraction it is just only found in a small potion of men maybe 30-40% they will find different women attracted to different men but it will always be the same 30-40% regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:14 PM
5

Their friend’s views reflect this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:10 PM
3

Why include heather at all? She doesn’t hold a candle in desirability compared to the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:09 PM
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All reasons for a man being perpetually single come down to 1 reason: women do not have enough variety in their ability to feel attraction to include all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:05 PM
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Yeah dating just sucks for men, women have very little variance for possible attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:30 PM
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Not for as much marriage but for dating they still do, that’s why it’s so much more difficult for bottom 20% men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:16 PM
1

For women the only limit is how high her standards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:46 PM
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Probably the overweight woman because while both things are unattractive at least the damage can be recovered from being fat while the smoking is more likely to leave lasting effects, but obviously it depends on the situation and severity of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:49 AM
3

Because there are less men in any sort of relationship than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:04 PM
3

And more than ever being unable to at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:55 PM
3

Same as what everyone should consider average, statistically what makes up most people. Breaking it down further you have to include below average women considering below average men too. Remember that “most people being in relationships” is not the way it’s trending anymore so it isn’t a counter point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:29 PM
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Ok so for the bi women they are still women and still will be looking for the best guy in the type she likes, never considering anything less than the top half of average. It isn’t a straight woman trait to only consider the best but a woman trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:23 PM
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Talking to/observing women offline is exactly how to come to the conclusion that women will never consider a guy that isn’t above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:13 PM
3

How does a man date someone who doesn’t like men??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:06 PM
1

it must cost 20 pts for “is attracted to me”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:13 AM
1

I get that you want to do that but at the end of the day finding a guy that doesn’t just want sex is as easy as simply not having sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:50 AM
2

With that logic every single female that ended up with a husband that wasn’t first her friend is a god/extremely lucky but neither of those are possible. What it comes down to is that having the ability to have options to filter out will ALWAYS be a privilege especially over having none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:51 AM
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But the reason this falls on deaf ears to men is women have the privilege to weed out their options while most men get no such thing. So for women you can filter down your options down as much as you want and realistically find that guy out of that massive group while if a man wants a certain type he’d be lucky to get a choice at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:13 AM
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I could see it haha. I didn’t say she was undesirable!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:10 AM
1

Then don’t have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:19 PM
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The facts are that in this instance she has a low estimate of 250+ men wanting a serious relationship. And that is a whole lot more options than a man will likely have his whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:19 PM
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Yeah it’s pretty evident that you aren’t going to understand much thought past “I think this so it must be right”. Hope it works out for you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:56 PM
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That’s a whole lot more than the woman that would even give a guy a chance. It doesn’t matter the ratio only what’s left at the end, which is still 250 men. Think about that she is complaining that she has likely more than 250 men seriously interested in her. Now I’m not saying choice fatigue or filtering isn’t absolutely nothing but posing this as an issue when compared to what men have to go through, is like comparing a pebble to a mountain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:50 PM
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Ok fair, so how many do you think weren’t lying? 50%, 30%, 25%? Even a low estimate of 25% not lying is still 250 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:40 PM
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I wasn’t doing that anyway. People are made fun of far worse for reasons out of their control unlike obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:29 PM
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Nobody deserves to be treated as they are better than they are or are better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:32 PM
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These baseless assumptions say a lot about the type of men you are attracted to. It’s the easiest thing in the world to find men who aren’t just there for sex. Just don’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:09 PM
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So from 2,800 different guys over half of them wanted casual sex…… you realize that that still leaves about 1,000 men that didn’t right? If only having 1,000 men to choose from is ruining modern dating for women than modern dating for men has been hung, buried, left to rot, dug back up and thrown into the sun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:29 PM
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The reality of the situation is that what women have to deal with in men is that we are too varied, most of the men women encounter will be very apart from each other in both personality and looks and even further apart from they type that women want. So that’s the problem with men: we are too varied for our own good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:22 PM
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If you were talking about being physically attractive vs having above average personality and charisma then I would say the latter, but at the level you propose I would say being physically attractive is better because just having a “normal” personality isn’t good enough anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:10 PM
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I think they SHOULD face that type of criticism especially as opposed to the constant stream of ego boosting language they receive today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:04 PM
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Not my fault you don’t understand analogies. If you don’t want to be treated like an achievement then don’t act like one sweetie “💅🏿💅🏿🤷🏿‍♀️🤷🏿‍♀️🙏🏿”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:59 PM
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It might FEEL like that since everywhere else bends over backwards for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:11 AM
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This doesn’t even make sense. Your analogy basically agrees with me by saying women can’t help but view themselves as achievements like cows can’t control what they taste like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:08 AM
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Karen is an older woman thing only. No I specifically don’t want sex, women have got the path of being as negative as they possibly can with men so they deserve nothing but the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:07 PM
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Her legacy will be that she fulfilled her biological and successfully removed a line of genetics that isn’t above average, forcing that man out of his essentially
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:03 PM
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Ali seems to be the least desirable on this list easily. My choice would be Karlie as I am a Christian so that comes as priority 1. Other than those points the others don’t seem that much different to me at least not in a meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:00 PM
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I mean what do you expect when they never get the chance to even try? How many things are you good at without ever doing before?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:53 PM
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This isn’t even close you’d have to choose female, the minuscule risk is completely outweighed by the advantages and massively higher change of having a fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:52 PM
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Men need to stop being nice, accommodating, respectful, etc to women in general they do not repay the favor and should be treated as such unless they show you such things FIRST.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:48 PM
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The difference is that while men as a group can be attracted to literally every woman, women as a group can only be attracted to few men, always leaving some men out regardless what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:45 PM
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Because it’s all about villainizing males and enforcing females.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:42 PM
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I think no matter we’re it is online or reality, women will always say something different than what they actually do/desire because at the end of the day what they truly do/desire makes themselves look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:40 PM
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When women say the bar is on the floor they mean for the guys she’s attracted to, who have already passed her actual bar that is somewhere in orbit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:37 PM
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It’s like insisting a lottery winner is the average experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:35 PM
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Because the more opportunities they have to better themselves the more they can justify wanting a man many, many times superior than themselves. It isn’t linear either they continue to want multiplicatively more than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:34 PM
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It doesn’t work 100% flawlessly that’s why “bad”genes aren’t gone, it’s more of a progressive slow process. Women also needed a man for most of history so their need, as a group, to filter out men didn’t get out of control. Men being simps with no standards is certainly a factor don’t get me wrong there are many factors that make the dating market many times harder for men. Women’s interest in men as groups will always be much lower than vice versa though that’s why in order to be anywhere near …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:26 PM
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No men do this with all as a group women but women do the opposite and actually try to weed out genetics even if it means the individual women doesn’t reproduce. The reason is that if the human population were all like men you’d end up with too many bad genes but if they were all like women humans wouldn’t be around past a couple generations. Men making sure humanity continues while women trying to make human genetics as “good” as possible. So the reason women’s desire for men is so much lower i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:44 AM
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With women? I’m not sure where you are trying to go with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:36 AM
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Most of the time they have such high standards, regardless of their true desirability, that no guy CAN even date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:34 AM
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I think if women didn’t view themselves as achievements needing to be achieved by men then this wouldn’t happen at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:32 AM
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Men are biologically tasked with keeping the human race going. Women are tasked with only letting the best genes continue. That’s why this difference emerges.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:30 AM
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This IS probably good for mental health but the first thing a man would have to do is accept that he will never partner that’s the hard part then the rest of that is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:28 AM
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It’s very simple, single moms get a bad rap because they could have chosen to partner with whoever they wanted, a guy who would easily have stayed for example, yet still chose the wrong guy (and it was obvious).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:26 AM
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All of these are very desirable in their own right but as a Christian I’d have to choose Mary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:23 AM
2

I think men do literally biologically need to partner more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:20 AM
1

Ahh yes, just save a woman’s life it’s that easy guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:18 AM
1

Yeah that’s true, although I think this can still be considered “standards insanely above her desirability.”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:09 PM
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If a woman hasn’t gotten the type of relationship she wants by 30 either her standards were insanely above her desirability or she lives on a deserted island with a population of 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:31 AM
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Disadvantages for dating in cities: women have very high standards. Disadvantages for dating in the country: women have very high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:28 AM
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Because it’s so easy for them to get into a relationship/have a partner that they will feel more entitled to it. If you get something about as easily as you breathe then you are bound to feel entitled to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:22 AM
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As opposed to an environment where all men rise their standards and now only a tiny fraction of men get to ever participate in any form of romance? Yeah it sucks that men are biologically forced to do these things in order to partner but if not nobody would be here today.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:15 PM
4

Makes you wonder if it needs to be that way in order to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:10 PM
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If you yourself were a “piece of shit” then yeah it would. The average man isn’t statistically any different than the average woman the only reason women are more desirable is because men are more attracted to women. So the correct comparison would be “if someone gave you an average meal made of affordable ingredients and asked you to eat it. Are your standards high if you refuse.” It is objectively incorrect to believe the average man is as detrimental to you as a “piece of shit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:04 AM
0

Maybe but that’s not really a risk they can take they were already able to partner at all and if they let that slip it will become 0 sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:54 AM
1

Why would they? That’s all they can hope to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:34 AM
2

For men it’s because women “types” aren’t varied enough for all men like men’s types are so it sucks to be the type of man that is left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:31 AM
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So basically women have always had extremely high, exclusive, homogeneous, and unrealistic standards it’s just that in recent times they’ve been able to keep them? Could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:29 AM
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Yeah I agree, it’s basically a poorly disguised excuse to unfairly bash men. But if the choice was that both will be trying to attack you I can see an argument for the bear (unless it was like you have to fight it or something) but if it was just regular random man then obviously men is an entirely better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:56 AM
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Is it said with the assumption that both the man and the bear will be after you? Or with the assumption it’s a random man or random bear? Because the former an argument can be made for the bear but the latter is no contest favoring the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:43 AM
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Women get most of their advantages from their homogeneity and with that comes always covering for each other and, falsely or not, boosting each other as a group. So I can’t really see this ever changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:40 AM
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Being desired as a guy is a very difficult thing to come by especially without having to constantly chase/win her over (even wile in the relationship) I hope you are able to find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:27 AM
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I’m sure some will be able to, but you have to make more than you used to in order to have this type of situation when before it was an achievable option for nearly every man. Now obviously this happened because more women needed that and obviously we can’t go back but it results in the type of men who only had that option throughout history now no longer have access to, or at least as much access to, because now even the most undesirable women would rather just make their own money and be alone…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 09:20 PM
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I’ve only seen it the other way around. Women ALWAYS want “more” than themselves and that’s more likely to find in a guy that’s 30 than 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:41 PM
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The difference is that for men friends are MUCH easier to gain than relationships which results in men seeking relationships with women they wouldn’t want to be friends with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:52 AM
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Logically it makes sense as these men would have more leverage, like what most women use over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:48 AM
2

Because men don’t exclusively date up. It’s really that simple. Money isn’t really a thing guys go out there looking for when it comes to a partner they are far more concerned with who the woman actually is. (yes your looks are also a part of who you are)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:47 AM
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The real reason is that most of these women, for whatever reason be it looks or personality, are not very desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:44 AM
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It’ll go down when women increase the variety of men they can be attracted to so it isn’t limited to a smaller portion of men. So in other words never. Women will die alone before they ever consider men that aren’t at least top half of average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:42 AM
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I believe it is entirely better to be in a “beta bux” situation than to not have an option to partner at all. Having a partner I’d like would be second to being able to have one at all easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:08 AM
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I think you’d have to consider anything women could even see men on because any time women can see better they will try to do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:59 PM
2

It depends, do you mean just the dating apps or do you mean all social media and basically all online social outlets because anything that gives women a wider range of men is contributing significantly. But hypothetically if this happened then yeah it could help men after a few generations of it going away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:50 PM
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No this is wrong when women have more options they collectively rise their standards and it inversely effects men in other words when women have more options men have less and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:34 PM
0

It’s better to take what you can get to at least be able to experience it or else “never to have loved before.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:32 PM
3

They don’t. It just stands out when one does, enough that it’s remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:30 PM
2

Online or offline doesn’t matter none of them would last with what men are stuck with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:29 PM
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Any time where the selectors (women) have more access to different options they will become more selective and today they have more options than ever before, so for men it can only possibly be harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:26 PM
2

I think it not only makes sense but goes even further than this, since men desire women more in nearly all aspects (including relationships) and women leverage this in order to be as selective as possible with their partners so in order for this to work for all women they would all need to adhere to the same, or at least very similar, standards hence the need to pressure other women to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:12 PM
1

As with all other traits you’ll still find men who are into it or ok with it but on the other side women’s standards won’t allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:58 PM
2

It’s only going to get bigger and more widespread as the number of men who are unable to partner continues to grow. The problem for women that aren’t ok with, for the most part, is that it conflicts with number 1 relationship objective which is partnering up with a comparatively more desirable guy than themselves but if they do get that guy he will need to sub out that physical attraction some how. So in the end it is a symptom of men being disenfranchised in the realm dating and relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:56 PM
2

It is certainly harder to meet the physical standards women have for casual hookups. But in this context it makes no difference to differentiate between the two because both standards filter out anyone but the upper half of average and above anyway. No matter what the category physical or emotional women as a groups standards for both are incredibly exclusive and homogeneous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:19 PM
1

I’m sure it could be all sorts of reasons, a big one for sure is looks, or they just have a personality that most women just don’t feel comfortable around despite doing nothing wrong. Making women feel comfortable is just 1 thing out of many though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:52 PM
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I’m sure there are many men that find it hard to make people feel comfortable despite their best attempts. The degree at which you can alter these traits, while possible, is limited. And in order to have a good enough personality to be desirable enough for either you’d need a combination of these traits evening out to above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:13 PM
0

Someone with extreme natural charisma is simply very good at talking to people in all aspects and have a better personality type than most, they are better than most at, making people laugh, entertaining people, making them feel comfortable, convincing people, etc just overall charming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:07 PM
3

It’s entirely possible, but for the most part if I guy struggles he’ll be struggling at both and is he is successful he’ll be successful at both. Most of the time the guy that CAN do casual hook-ups is the guy that women want to date anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:58 PM
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The thing is that the men who struggle to get either overlap, for instance if you struggle to do casual you will struggle with relationships too and vice versa, the standards men have to meet for either is very high and not that different from each other so while the hook-up guy and the relationship guy may be a little different both are above average desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:54 PM
1

I’m not saying their standards are 100% the same for both but most of the time the complaints being made applies to both. Maybe the biggest difference is the empathy given but it’s usually little to none either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:45 PM
1

If you saw 4/10 men hooping up with 10/10 women then those men had extremely high natural charisma therefore making them very desirable and actually more similar to those 10/10s. The facts are that yes personally is a factor but that just makes it more difficult for men NOT less because it is just another homogeneous restrictive standard men have to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:44 PM
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To a degree, but it is a struggle for men to get either for the same reasons most women have the same high requirements for both whether it’s a hook-up or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:52 PM
2

Im the guy you asked for my definition. Did you want me not to tell you???
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:32 AM
1

I’m not giving someone that advice. I’m not debating the advantage of that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:31 AM
1

Me. You asked me what I meant by decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:02 PM
1

Most people still have requirements to their love though, it isn’t just that you can love literally anyone you still need an exchange to get and keep that love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:00 PM
1

Transactional means their is or was an exchange whether that’s a woman leveraging her innate desirability in exchange for commitment from a very desirable man in all categories or a man essentially buying a partner with money both are transactional. You can argue which ones are more morally correct but that doesn’t change the transactional nature of relationships. Transactional is also not inherently bad. The only way a non transactional relationship could look would be if neither party required…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:40 PM
1

Men treat them as if they are “for sale” because so many women treat themselves as such, whether you have to buy them with money, looks or charm. Women always act as the premium thing to buy or the elusive prize to win if women didn’t maybe these guys wouldn’t treat them as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:11 PM
1

It’s easier for a man to be attracted to a woman for any reason than the other way around. An average woman is an attractive woman as far as a large portion of men are concerned that’s just how varied men’s attraction is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:06 PM
2

Than no relationship can be based on love. As long as there are any conditions, requirements or standards of any sort, currently or in the beginning, it is transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:03 PM
0

It’s hard to turn away from something that is so high on men’s biological priority in life, no matter how difficult it may be for most the desire to be partnered can be second only to the desire to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:00 PM
1

I can see how women have this misconception but it really is just the top or insane desirability gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 05:02 AM
1

While I agree what’s morally wrong and what can be morally enforceable are 2 separate things, it can be morally wrong but you can still have every right to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:05 AM
2

No, certainly not more than blacks under Jim Crow at least overall, but people need to understand how high being able to partner is as a priority for men, I’d throw away my right to vote in a heartbeat if it meant I’d have a chance to be partnered especially if it meant the options even below average women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:01 AM
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Because if that isn’t what they want to do and you make them do it is by definition forced. We already have laws to prevent meaningfully bad things from happening to people and to not take away too many rights. Everyone should have the right to say what they want or look at what they want in public but nobody has the right not to be offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:56 PM
3

It doesn’t matter how it impacts people what matters is that everyone has the right to say what they want and look at what they want in public while nobody has the right to not be offended. Again it doesn’t matter how it impacts people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:13 PM
3

For me personally? I don’t really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:07 PM
2

You always have to face consequences for your actions you can’t just take away the ones you don’t like and force more on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:00 PM
3

Everything has consequences wanting to selectively do away with ones that you don’t like is what’s happening here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:57 PM
2

It doesn’t matter how it affects people only if it affects people. So if the woman wants to do something that affects men and face no consequences men should have the same freedom. (In the context of your scenario)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:53 PM
5

Because if women get to do what they want without consequences then so should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:53 PM
1

I don’t think they do block well meaning female friends I think what you are describing is essentially that since relationships for men have become so scarce and option less men are absolutely willing to be in a relationship with a woman they do not like but when it comes to being just friends someone they at least like as a person is still required.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:52 PM
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Some of this is definitely true, but at the same time unfortunately women have gotten increasingly fat and attracted to the same men(causing the single motherhood).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:48 PM
1

Im going to die alone without ever experiencing a romantic interaction “damn I wish I could control my wife.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:45 PM
0

Most of this comes from the fact that in the past you just needed to be an average guy with a couple redeemable traits and you could find a partner but that is no longer the case so people end up stuck in that mentality of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:43 PM
1

It only makes sense that in a time where men are more disenfranchised and unable to find relationships than in recent history there would be escalated levels of anger at the cause of it, justified or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:40 PM
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If that’s the case then men should be able to look and say what they want regardless of the feeling women have about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:36 PM
1

A lot of times women just think they get abused in male activities but they really are just getting treated the same as the others. Yeah, that’s why this is specifically addressing the same hobbies advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:27 PM
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Yeah your correct typo
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:36 AM
0

It’s the top men that only want sex. Or men that are many times more desirable than the women in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:00 AM
1

Its more about sharing a hobby that is more dominated my the opposite gender. And to what degree that advantages men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:25 AM
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The situations: last 2 people on earth, stranded on a deserted island for the rest of their lives, dude wins the lottery etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:04 AM
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Nothing men’s attraction as a whole is far too broad and inclusive for there to be such a wide scale turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:01 AM
1

Simply make her attracted to me as that is already the rarest trait the average guy could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:59 AM
1

I would be elated just to be settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:55 AM
0

I think men need relationships as well, I believe more so than women biologically, so as long either are increasingly difficult for men to achieve men will only continue to suffer more and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:54 AM
1

Good point, although I think that it isn’t as much that women feel indifferent just that they have so many more requirements that any single one is much less impactful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:34 AM
2

Yeah I’m technically qualified to teach. Kicks are always cool. Haha not going to happen for me but I honestly appreciate the sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:41 AM
1

I don’t expect you to admit it obviously or even to realize it happens at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:06 AM
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That why I included that little “if you can.” I wasn’t saying women that struggle to get a relationship MUST do that they certainly do not just that it’d make them automatically desirable. Me personally? I did martial arts for 10 years and that is very male dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:45 AM
0

Idk ask the people that say “find someone with similar/same hobbies.” That is advice that is repeated quite often.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:27 AM
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Some abuse and bitterness comes with competition that’s just how it goes. What i mean was that hot guys are the guys women consider average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:25 AM
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Because it makes them automatically more desirable. No it makes said woman desirable enough that she will only consider the best, most desirable men that share that hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:14 AM
1

So you think men read less because they think it will make them look feminine? They can’t just naturally be less inclined?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:04 AM
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Because it makes women compatibility more desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:56 PM
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It isn’t the same because it isn’t a competitive hobby so it is not equivalent. I’d also bet most of the women there would be completely turned off of him for just being there. The irony is the men women think are average are the desirable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:55 PM
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Maybe when it is fairly even numbers but that certainly isn’t true currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:47 PM
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I think similar hobbies disproportionately advantages normie women just as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:46 PM
1

? I don’t understand the point you are attempting to make. Are you saying because women are more likely than men to read that men are uncurious and uninteresting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:44 PM
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The reason is because men as a whole cannot all increase their desirability in a way that matters, in percentile, because that that standard will just increase top percentage is always the top percentage. If men could be born much more similar I would advocate for that but that’s not possible. You can’t change what you like to do, you can only try them to see what you like, but at the end of the day you can just as easily still be left with only a couple hobbies you like. They certainly don’t pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:40 PM
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Sure more common hobbies would definitely help but as it stands the fewer women with shared hobbies with men the more desirable they become and the more desirable women become the harder it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:32 PM
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I don’t doubt there are some hobbies that help men’s desirability it just pales in comparison to the desirability it gives women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:31 PM
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Yeah, that’s why you should avoid not having hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:23 PM
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But imagine literally putting in LESS effort and being top 1% effortless wouldn’t even be a strong enough word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:22 PM
2

Yup, this doesn’t oppose what I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:20 PM
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This would be ignoring that women are more likely than the reverse to have male dominated hobbies. And the desirability that is comes with it automatically for women as opposed to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:12 PM
1

I’m arguing that women having a male leaning/overlapping hobby gives her much more desirability than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:01 PM
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I’ll consider it an exception as not to be insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:56 PM
1

? Are you arguing less men in women leaning hobbies than vice versa? Because if so I talked about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:55 PM
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The big difference is the automatic desirability it brings to women as compared to men. And less men in woman dominated hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:52 PM
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Probably not in the same way but there will always be some regardless. And like I said it comes from desirability and for men it doesn’t bring any desirability like it does with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:50 PM
1

Is that what you think “women are more likely to read” means?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:42 PM
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I mean yeah? But this can go both ways, men are more likely to be physically active so women should try to be more like men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:41 PM
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Well as a counter point if she were going for hardcore gamers I’d imagine she would be a hardcore gamer as well and have the same issues to go along with it. But with that being said you are probably right as even if this woman had the same social or personality issues she’d likely still sort through men until she found one that didn’t, since she won’t find a guy at her equivalent attractive, thus the scarcity of women in such hobbies enable her to be as picky as she wants realistically and maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:37 PM
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Ok, that’s cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:51 PM
1

Yeah, you guys would be an example of a couple that doesn’t have very aligned hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:50 PM
1

This still applies to most media that has catered demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:38 PM
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I’m not saying a woman would date a guy simply because of a shared hobby like I said it would only be a tiny portion of what men would need to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:33 PM
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My point isn’t that you shouldn’t find someone with similar hobbies or overlap though…. Gender skewed hobbies or overlapping interests making things easier for women therefore harder for men is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:43 PM
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Yes. None of this contradicts my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:39 PM
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How young? Maybe it was too young to matter but ultimately it would have let you take your pick essentially. And there can always be outliers like hobbies that don’t follow this rule or exceptionally undesirable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:36 PM
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But their chance of meeting someone changes depending on how “weighted” that hobby is to the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:28 PM
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Yeah, less men in female dominated hobbies was one of my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:16 PM
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About as much as a man would get from doing a female dominated hobby. A lot of times, even if you don’t think so, this is a result of that automatic desirability that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:13 PM
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None of this goes against what I said in fact all of this goes along fine with the issues I outlined.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:10 PM
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It’s definitely way easier to talk to someone with shared interests but for the reasons I talked about in the post it’s harder for men to do that in a lot of cases because most of the time a woman with the same interests is so rare that she’s automatically very desirable within that bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:07 PM
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No? But women are more likely to read. Yeah, that’s why I’m not saying you should have zero hobbies. I also talked about hobbies gotten into because of a partner or gotten into together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:03 PM
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I don’t think I even disagree. My whole point was that having the same hobbies is not as big of an advantage to men as it is to women for the reasons I gave above.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:50 PM
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There probably are some people are some people that can only like those things. If those things never exist who knows what this persons hobbies would be maybe nothing maybe things completely different but in reality they do exist. This is getting pretty off topic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:46 PM
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A valid response, this is just for people who use the “find someone with the same/similar hobbies.” Advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:30 AM
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That’s why I included the “if you can” part as in if you like one of the male tilting hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:27 AM
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? No, it’s about how using hobbies, as many suggest, is a lot more difficult for men compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:25 AM
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You certainly can but at the end of the day trying new things is literally finding out what like, you cannot just decide what you like after the fact. Just think of anything you dislike you can’t just decide to like it now. That’s not to say some guys don’t go and tolerate a hobby in hopes of getting a date I’m sure that happens a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:49 AM
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I didn’t realize I was talking about myself? None of this seems to pertain to the post, at this point you might as well just say “Why are we all wasting time on this sub?” Again never mentioned having no hobbies as being better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:44 AM
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But this would be assuming men and women have the exact same chance to have any given hobby which isn’t the case. While granted there are plenty of hobbies that are close to even on gender ratio there are still plenty that aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:41 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately you can’t just choose what you like to do, although it’d be cool if we could.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:33 AM
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Remember that it doesn’t NEED to be a “girl hobby” or a “boy hobby” only hobbies with skewed ratios even slightly. Things like: cars, gaming(taking away mobile games), nearly any sport, etc would all be male tilting hobbies while things like: gardening, sewing, art, reading, etc would be more female, this isn’t even considering genre differences. So men want to control women more yet have far fewer requirements for them to be their serious partners? Yeah I specifically mentioned how I’m not talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:29 AM
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This would be a good example of it being tougher for men still since the pool for those types of hobbies is much smaller and contains much less women compared to if it were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:16 AM
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Yes I’m sure it would be. I think where you misunderstood is that I’m not saying “find someone with the same hobbies.”is tougher compared to having no hobbies but tougher for men compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:13 AM
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Ok…..now I’m even more confused sorry….
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:10 AM
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That’s cool. But I don’t see how your situation opposes my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:08 AM
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Yeah, I’m sure it does to some degree. I didn’t argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:04 AM
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When I say women doing body building I mean full on extremely muscular women, like steroids required, not just in shape women. I’m sure bodybuilders are with in shape women, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 09:59 AM
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What you argue would just be more of an example of getting more exposure compared to what I’m talking about though, the “just get out there” or “expand your social circle”. I also don’t even argue that it doesn’t help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 09:55 AM
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That doesn’t really pertain to “find someone with a similar hobby.” Advice though as in they may have liked it but how many of those women shared that hobby. And even then there will always be some exceptions I’m sure if a woman’s hobby was bodybuilding then that would turn off a decent portion of the men that do bodybuilding.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 09:49 AM
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Yeah that’s why I said only the ones who did. I think there aren’t that many that want polygyny ,either at least willingly, the only reason it’s like that now is because it’s unknowingly happening but the further this goes the more apparent it will become even to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 09:44 AM
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Unfortunately men’s standards will always adjust based on availability so in the end women can be as picky, undesirable, overconfident and hypergamous as they want and it will never make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:34 AM
1

The future is just nobody gets together in true relationships while the women, that want them, have multiple very desirable fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:29 AM
4

But we do know you cannot create mass from nothing. That is all the knowledge needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:26 AM
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Imagine all you have to do is literally just not stuff your face 24/7 and avoid having kids as a teen and by default being top 1% in desirability. It’s actually impressive how someone could mess up a position so mind numbingly easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:22 AM
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You just don’t understand she deserved better than the best. At this point women couldn’t be happy with a guy if she customized everything about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:01 PM
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It does make a little more sense logistically since women find so fewer men attractive making her chances better but unfortunately this wouldn’t really change that much as women’s preferences are so homogeneous that they are going to run out of men they can be attracted to instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:02 PM
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When top guys aren’t enough anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:59 PM
0

Sure. Anything’s better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:42 AM
2

For most men women show interest first so little that interest from any would be considered an incredible compliment by most. As long as it isn’t an incredibly below average woman showing interest to an incredibly desirable top percentage man he will not consider it insulting, far from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:41 AM
2

Because the average man is well average and lives an average life and is averagely attractive, since most people are average by definition the average man would be decent. Exceptions would be very desirable outliers could have a different definition for example what a billionaire would consider a decent income would probably be different than the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:43 AM
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I mean if a woman is even attracted to a man that makes him more desirable than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 05:52 PM
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Everyone saying “the bar is on the ground for people she’s attracted to.” If she is attracted to him then he already passed the bar so this doesn’t actually make sense. Initial attraction is part of that bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 06:10 AM
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First you’d have to address that in the extremely rare case a woman makes a first move she will exclusively do it to men that are many times her desirability in all conceivable ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 06:07 AM
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Yes no man is entitled to get a relationship that is a privilege reserved for women. Entitled to doesn’t mean “should be able to”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:17 AM
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Pretty much the average guy, a guy that treats people reasonably and has reasonable traits based on what he was born with on a desirability level, pretty much the statistically average guy right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:16 AM
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They really are one of the reasons is because of scarcity, men will adjust their preferences based on availability and since it is harder that ever before men have adjusted as such. The only way it would be possible for men to rise their standards would be if it were easier to partner first, because men desire to partner at all akin to women desiring to partner with only someone desirable. There are a lot more men than you think that are in relationships just like that, although it likely won’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:26 PM
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Because it is biologically ingrained in men to need women. This would be fine if women had reasons to still need men but if they do not then the balance shifts way too far. And just for context I don’t mean attractive, cute, submissive or women to take care of them just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:45 PM
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Maybe the guys on here don’t want that maybe they do. But the truth is average men just want average women not cute, not alternatively attractive, and most will be absolutely fine settling for not even attracted to them. But it isn’t men who are way off in their self estimations this is a myth (at least compared to women) the reality is that 94% of women think they are above average compared to around 70% of men and on top of that men that rate themselves higher rate EVERYONE higher in other wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:41 PM
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I’m not arguing that women have ONLY looks, height, and money preferences they absolutely have strict standards for similarly every aspect. I agree I wish men didn’t have to be what they aren’t in order to partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:35 PM
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The sentiment that the bar is low for men is absolutely untruthful and even further intentionally insulting. But men wanting average women is certainly not even most men that are married to objectively average women think their partner is average they just can’t tell her that obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:56 PM
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That’s what women seem to not understand the reason men need women wasn’t social or survival it is biological so no matter what happens or how dating or society changes men would still need women and asking them not to would be like asking a woman not to have a period.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:53 PM
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All that sounds good until you realize that women can only be attracted to a narrow range of those traits causing men to HAVE to act more similar or lie about who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:48 PM
3

So essentially we are in a place where men still need women just as much while women have lost the vast majority of their need for men until only the best men get a chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:37 PM
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*the amount of women equating decent to very desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:35 PM
3

No man automatically earns a relationship. This is about the bare minimum a guy has to be to possibly have a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:28 PM
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Couple things here one is that the common sentiment especially from women is that the bar is so low all you need to be is not abusive etc, which is disingenuous and ill intentioned. Another is that the vast majority of men only require (for committed relationships and marriage) women to be, what the vast majority of them are, average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:26 PM
5

You don’t think an average guy should be able to have a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:16 PM
2

Everything is held to a higher standard that men have to live up to popularity and social standing is just part of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:00 PM
7

Being a decent guy isn’t good enough anymore that’s the problem. Unless your definition of decent is upper percentile of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:58 PM
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All good points. That 1 in 5 women is likely an overestimate due much too broad definitions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:10 AM
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The problem is that women’s attraction isn’t based on options/abundance like men’s is, their attraction is nearly identical across the desirability spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:54 AM
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You greatly underestimate what it takes for a man to even find a willing partner (if he even can). In the time and effort it would take an average man to find a woman who would have sex with him. A woman could find 50-100 men who would be more than willing to please her in any way she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:52 AM
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No because men don’t have good quality either. So if your argument is that women of color have a lot of options that are bad (not true) than the men would have to be better than most just to have nearly no options that aren’t good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:40 AM
2

At this point it’s probably more likely that a man will end up alone than a woman will be abused so even that isn’t really a trade off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:36 AM
8

Harder in comparison to other races of women? Sure. But still INCREDIBLY easy compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:34 AM
1

The men women want do these things but that’s only a small portion of men. If a woman did nothing at all to appeal to men she’d still have her pick of average men. The reason guys are complaining now is that women as a whole only entertain the thought of above average desirable men, as shown when women complain about men not showing bare minimum effort, because those desirable men don’t need to put in effort for average women they already all want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:19 AM
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There is a difference between insecurity and being secure in your undesirability. Just because someone acknowledges their undesirability doesn’t make them insecure that would only be true if they weren’t actually undesirable. The term insecure is more true for women as very very few of them CAN be undesirable as opposed to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:15 AM
1

Yeah, which is why most men want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:47 PM
8

Except the difference is many of the men genuinely don’t have other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:43 PM
1

Because men as a whole have a much wider range of attraction so an individual man may see a woman much differently than the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:38 PM
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Men can only be born desirable enough to have that many options and on top of that even if he somehow completely changes every aspect of his natural self in order to become desirable enough after partnering up he still hasn’t lived the spoiled life that the desirable man from birth has so he’d be much less likely to leave. Just based on numbers women can’t all have commitment from the same few guys it isn’t possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 06:22 PM
0

Men have a vastly wider rage of attraction than women so who knows what an individual man wants to be desired by.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 06:16 PM
3

Let’s be a little more realistic here now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:59 AM
4

Good way to face rejection 100 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:46 AM
1

Attracted to me would be a very desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:45 AM
2

I don’t think it really matters much. For most men to limit their chances at all doesn’t make much sense anymore and women will date who and at what age they want regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:43 AM
1

The key part here is “man I like” so yeah very desirable guys are not going to be very likely to commit as they have all women to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:39 AM
7

The type of man you claim to want is extremely common and very easy to find. Most men’s fantasy is to simply feel desired but for most that’s now unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:34 AM
5

This is just incredibly untrue, every trait you listed still has many men wishing they had a partner SPECIFICALLY with those traits and that’s not even including the men that genuinely aren’t picky at all. If a bellow average woman did nothing at all to try to appeal to men she’d still have 20x more men that would see her as a genuinely good option.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:53 AM
1

It’s only mutual because the woman has to agree to be “dated” by the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:36 AM
3

That’s because women spend their whole life’s trying to appeal to men that are at the pinnacle of desirability, many leagues out of their own, if women were trying to appeal to their equal than they’d only need to be who she naturally it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 09:21 PM
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Yes most men don’t win the lottery but it isn’t mutually exclusive is it. That’s because most men will never find that likeminded women who will ever put in the effort they do. So saying to just wait for that woman is akin to asking men to die alone and while yes that is a valid choice I don’t think most people, man or woman, want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:40 PM
6

Dating is something done to women. So asking a woman dating advice would essentially be asking her what is done to/for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:30 PM
3

Attractive to women: “6’5” Attractive to men: “ “
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:27 PM
8

No, I am suggesting that the relationship you propose, where a man finds a suitable like minded woman who puts in the effort he does, is like winning the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:24 PM
5

Why would an average guy want dating advice from anyone that doesn’t have to do anything and has dating happen to them? Maybe if the guy was in the absolute pinnacle of desirability but even then it likely wouldn’t help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:21 PM
1

Maybe for a top guy but for an average, likely equivalent, guy all it takes is not to be horribly disfigured and maybe not be incredibly mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:18 PM
16

You might as well say “you don’t like working? Just win the lottery. You have agency in your own life.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:08 PM
2

True for attractiveness for women but for men you’d also have to include natural charisma otherwise it will be just as useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:55 PM
2

I think it is more that they will sometimes settle for more emotional traits, that are no less restrictive and high.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:52 PM
3

If this is true then so are the women that refuse to date their equivalent man, and there are a whole lot more of those than men that are desirable enough to marry but refuse to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:49 PM
1

The problem is the men who use wealth as their only option to attract a partner don’t have any other options they are only possibly able to be selected for their wealth. What else is a guy that had already been excluded supposed to do? Wealth is the only thing an undesirable guy can increase to attempt to find some form of partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:37 PM
2

No because the vast majority of women’s fantasy IS getting commitment from that absolute top desirable guy. But the rare ones that don’t involve exclusively getting the chad than sure they can easily have that, but that’s like 2 women out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:28 PM
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I would say that they may be just as important but let’s not pretend that that isn’t just as restricting and exclusive of a standard as looks, status or wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:23 PM
1

Many more women would be promiscuous as very few men even have the option to be so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:17 AM
4

That’s like saying “Those who don’t play the lottery: how do you know you wouldn’t win?”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:14 AM
1

That’s my whole argument that all women really need to be physically attractive, considering men’s extremely wide range of attraction, is to not over eat and even then there is STILL a not so small portion of men that will be attracted to that. While for men that is far from all you need. That’s my whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:19 AM
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My argument is it is not equivalent to ask why men are fat as it doesn’t carry the same weight in their desirability as it’s nearly the only thing a woman needs to be considered above average in desirability. While for men it is simply one of the great many things he would need to even be considered an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:14 AM
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What isn’t true? The fact that men have to be more than simply not fat? Because they do. Compared to women who are automatically desirable when simply not fat. (Maybe not by the best guys out there but by the majority of men)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:05 AM
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The point is just not being fat doesn’t make a guy desirable like it does for women, that’s why it isn’t equivalent to ask “why aren’t men fat?” As for women all it takes is to not over eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:07 AM
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Yes but already we are talking about a comparatively tiny portion of men (very desirable men) who can have nearly any woman they want so it only really makes sense that they will be a bit spoiled for choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:17 PM
2

Then those very desirable guys wanted to feel desired and wanted traditional roles, and them being very desirable guys can find whatever they want realistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:09 PM
4

That’s what I’m saying the guys you dated were very desirable guys so they had to keep up appearances. But since they are very desirable guys the novelty of women approaching first will still easily get you the relationship but not necessarily ensure you keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:00 PM
2

Women showing interest first is very rare even for desirable guys so it’s possible that they wanted the new experience of such a thing. But my point was that it usually isn’t the desirable guys that want women to initiate it’s the average guys that usually bring up that complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:50 PM
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Were these exs the ones whining about women not expressing interest? Most of the time it is separate men and the ones you dating being desirable men might be more prone to being emasculated that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:40 PM
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Again just look at any form of survey on what body type women are attracted to. Being skinny as a guy isn’t anywhere near as advantageous as it is for a woman that’s the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:03 PM
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Just look at anywhere that looks at what women find attractive and they will usually say skinny men (obviously just above morbidly obese) and if they don’t dislike them it’s usually because they imagine skinny to be lean and ripped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:45 PM
1

I’m sure there are a few that are very tall and charismatic that do I don’t doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:12 PM
1

Women unfortunately seem to consider both to be undesirable to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:11 PM
1

Most women consider skinny men undesirable as well so he would just be going from undesirable fat guy to undesirable skinny guy. But I’ll give it to you maybe he would be a bit better off as skinny but nowhere close to the same level as a women that goes through the same transformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:10 PM
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Yeah I agree? Putting on muscle can require eating more unless you already have the fat to turn into muscle. Sure, non of this changes my point that simply not eating too much for women makes them above average to men as a whole while for men you wouldn’t even pass any more women’s standards as I’m not talking about working out I’m just talking about simply eating less than you expend.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:56 PM
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Nothing is easier than simply not eating as much it takes literally less effort. Yeah I agree but that doesn’t make a thin woman the least attractive body type, my point was that the benefits women get for simply not eating as much is monumental compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:48 PM
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But he would have to turn the fat into muscle not just lose it like a woman would that’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:40 PM
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Maybe it would to some degree sure but becoming the least desirable body type for men isn’t in any way comparable to what just not being overweight does for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:33 PM
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A point to add would be that all it takes for a woman to be seen as attractive, or at the very least above average, is just not to be fat but for men this doesn’t help nearly as much if a fat man were to just lose the fat he wouldn’t be better off (especially since skinny is the least liked body type for men among women) he would have to turn it into muscle which is a lot harder than just not overeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:26 PM
0

I genuinely don’t understand women that want men to keep trying after they reject him treating themselves as a prize and trying to play hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:17 PM
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The actual real reason being a “pick me” doesn’t work is that only a very undesirable woman would even think to try to appeal to men in a way that gives them what they want, essentially it comes from desperation and the only woman that can be desperate for men are extremely undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:13 PM
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A lot of men don’t end up with who they are attracted to simply because they have so few options in the first place. I never said that their aren’t exceptions or even that it’s the majority of black woman/asian men that have unattractive features but all it takes is a higher percentage of people with unattractive traits in order to make a group statistically less desirable. For example Asian men are typically shorter and smaller than other races and that is near universally less desirable to wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:44 AM
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Unfortunately it IS true that there are traits that are less attractive about some groups over others, of course not all of them but enough to make a difference, and listen I get it I’m an Asian guy we have it even worse as the least partnered group in the U.S. but you can’t change the reality of what people are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:05 AM
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Unfortunately there are just traits about some races that can (generally) hurt or help them black women and Asian men are the 2 least liked by all other races including their own. they simply possess traits that are just not very desirable compared to other races. It sucks but you can’t change that different people’s have different traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:34 AM
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No not really, maybe it’s even a good thing that they won’t since my genes are no longer good enough to pass on anyway, it would just be a curse to any of my male next of kin.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:17 AM
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Women’s body counts would decrease and they would be in “situationships” less but men would only be slightly better off since I don’t think that is enough for women to stop exclusively being open to top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:12 AM
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I think it only really contributes if you were to show pictures of both you and your matches. (I think you shouldn’t do this but I’m just saying that it’s only applicable if you were to)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:43 AM
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When something is objectively true it is objectively true I don’t know what else to tell you. It’s also important to remember that things do change and the pendulum has been pushed much too far in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 06:47 AM
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The difference is there isn’t a group as privileged as women are. Because it’s talking about ACTUAL inequality not just suggesting victim hood in order appeal to a group that is actually privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:14 PM
1

Probably going to be hard to find because any male that does this will find it to be easier…..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:20 AM
0

When a group is as privileged as women are any semblance of equal treatment will feel like oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:15 AM
3

Therapy may work for women because the vast majority of problems they could have in dating comes from their own attitude/mentality but for men this isn’t the case the problems men face are mostly external and out of his control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:08 PM
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“Prospects of long term commitment being slim to none” isn’t true for women though men have less access to casual AND serious long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:51 AM
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Just think of any negative trait physical or emotional and it won’t disqualify a woman from serious relationships but there are many that completely exclude men. If your “real world” is different than you must be in one nice alternate reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:40 AM
1

Just take what you got and be happy you got someone to choose you whatever the reason you may be chosen for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:36 AM
1

Is it possible? Sure, But I think it’s MUCH more likely she just is a rare exception that considers a different type of guy as more desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:18 PM
1

An exception doesn’t mean very much at all. It doesn’t mean that there are a couple women out there that consider different men more desirable as opposed to the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:15 PM
0

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:54 PM
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Take sex away completely and men will still find a wider range of women they would marry both emotionally and physically. While women have very restrictive and similar base standards for personality and physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:52 PM
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I don’t think women ever date down and maybe rarely date across. Not limited to looks, if you see a pairing with a less physically attractive guy he has something other that looks that makes him more desirable than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:42 PM
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Not in the context of “in dating”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:39 PM
1

Unless that gender caused the decay in social norms and morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:24 PM
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Men would treat women as rewards if women didn’t treat themselves as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:21 PM
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I’m not sure they would rather KNOWINGLY do so (they certainly do so unknowingly) but I think rather if they knew that the much more desirable guy than them was just stringing them along they’d just choose to be alone over being with her equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:04 PM
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The difference is most women have the same or VERY similar standards while men as a whole have such a wide variety that it includes all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:59 PM
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The only things that matter are options, ability to get a date and ability to keep a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:55 PM
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Indiscrimination sure but indiscretion is wrong that would mean that men would be actively seeking any and all women at the same time which is not only incorrect but only a tiny portion of men COULD even do that. Food and drink? Generally people see picky eaters as worse than people that’ll eat anything. Spending? Again indiscretion is wrong so the correct comparison is someone who is only happy buying the best for someone happy with a wide variety of expenses. Music, art, literature and media? …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:12 AM
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Exactly so that means you consider men having a much wider range of women they can be attracted to both emotionally and physically morally reprehensible? Remember I’m not talking about casual sex I’m talking about even relationships and yes marriage. And those “sluts” will still have no problem finding someone seriously interested at the end of the day especially compared to a man of similar low desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:08 PM
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Not when women as a whole’s standards exclude men towards the bottom of desirability and men’s do not it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:42 PM
1

So if you have an unattainable standard, be it an undesirable guy wanting his equal or somebody wanting an unreasonably rare person, this does actually condemn them to a life of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:25 PM
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So your argument is that men’s only variance is for dating in a morally responsible way? Men’s variance in preference includes all women as a group both physically and emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:21 PM
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That isn’t the point. The point is that not all standards are healthy and result in being less single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:17 PM
1

The evidence of men being attracted to more women is simply that there are virtually no women that cannot attract any men while the reverse is far from true that is all that is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:51 PM
1

Not the same just much more similar than men are at the very least in their relationship preferences. That’s the issue men’s wide verity ensures every woman, except extreme exceptions, are included but the same cannot be said for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:44 PM
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Certainly not a monolith but objectively more similar than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:40 PM
2

So if a man’s standards were that he wanted a girlfriend that was a 7ft tall+ supermodel and he held firm on them his whole life would he be healthier and less single? (And yes the less single part is of great importance) This only works if you have the ability to attain those standards otherwise holding firm to impossibility’s is much more lonely and unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:39 PM
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While anyone can be as picky as they want the only woman that have reasonable standards are the top percentage attractive ones (20-30%) as they are the only women asking for men within their realm of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:18 PM
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I try not to say “too picky” as anyone can be as picky as they want, but it’s true that women are much pickier than men both physically and emotionally. It’s measured by women having a much smaller more similar range of men they can be attracted to as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:52 PM
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Men who can be attractive bald are compensating with other traits that are very desirable and maybe some are insecure and I agree that women certainly won’t tolerate insecurity. But on the other hand men don’t have the same intolerance for insecurity and most won’t mind at all in fact I’d argue insecurity > overconfidence in most men’s eyes. Not only that but anyone would be less likely to be insecure if there is more people attracted to their traits compared to someone who has a trait that is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:24 AM
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No because there are enough men that find small/flat chests an attractive feature but there are comparatively no women who find baldness in men and attractive feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:07 AM
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Because women want to ensure they lock in more a more desirable man, at least make it more difficult for him to leave in a way that doesn’t benefit her. The conflict is that the men women want to deal with are ones who don’t need commitment to get what they want so they will be less enticed to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:00 PM
1

If only.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:44 PM
1

And in my comment the “you” was referring to women as a whole. Women do reject men for more like personality preferences that are just as restrictive as genetic preferences. If you could consider things past your biased experiences you’d know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 10:10 AM
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Yes I think women’s taste does change, becoming even more restrictive with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:08 AM
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Unfortunately neither can be happy and fulfilled at the same time as their relationship goals are not able to coexist as a whole as men’s goal is to partner up while women’s goal is to partner up with a desirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:05 AM
2

Yeah you can only have any average to slightly above average guy you want. I’m sorry that must be tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:51 AM
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No but logically it means that men at the lower end of desirability will have to have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:49 AM
2

Who hold more power the employer (women) or the employee (men) the employees need to go to apply does that make them the ones in a position of power? If nobody worked for the employer they’d go out of business sure but that doesn’t put them in any less of a position of power. What it ultimately comes down to is the one who makes the final decision on accepting the other or not is objectively in a higher position of power than the other and last time I checked it isn’t usually men choosing to acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:46 AM
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2/10 guys are not complaining they can’t have 5/10 women they are complaining that they can’t have ANY women at all. If a guy is complaining this he isn’t a 2/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:34 AM
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Most of this just comes down to the fact that men are much more attracted to, and forgiving of much more traits than women are so being different/unique doesn’t hurt their chances the same way it does for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:25 AM
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You wouldn’t give a second glance to the guy that would want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:21 AM
0

I know it’s probably hard for you to believe but it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 05:08 PM
1

Exactly I think this gets glossed over as people show examples of men with a less desirable trait that is compensating with a very desirable trait or traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:08 AM
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Sure age can be one more experienced by women, partially due to men’s skin aging slower, but think about any other trait: short? 99% of women don’t like while most men don’t care, small penis/flat chested? 99% of women dislike while men would be split pretty evenly, small farm as a man/large frame as a woman? 99% of women won’t like that a guy has a small frame while there are a LOT of guys that would love a larger framed girl (contrary to what you probably think) etc, Even going into personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:23 PM
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The difference is that men as a whole have much more diversity in the women they are attracted to compared to women who are MUCH more similar while men are also expected not to be insecure and always be confident, so imagine how much worse it must be for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:30 PM
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As it continues to become increasingly difficult for men to date more and more will give up. This isn’t surprising at all because surprise when you collectively exclude more men from the dating pool every generation this is the only outcome and it will only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:26 PM
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Men would sadly have better luck staying with women if he were physically abusive than showing any sort of vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:49 PM
2

The problem is that it works. These are the things men have to do to attract women unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:46 PM
1

When you have an environment where men can never be enough more will just give up creating a vicious cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:53 AM
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If all men improved themselves women would just rise their standards to exclude the same number of men again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:35 AM
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The only possible reasons are reclusive, extremely unlucky (only because anything is technically possible), or unfortunately bottom fraction of desirability (I don’t mean this as an insult I am also very undesirable).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:51 PM
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But you don’t need constant approaches 24/7 to still get a relationship for nothing and almost all women will receive a moderate amount of male attention, save for maybe if they literally never leave their house ever and have no social media/online presence. Men are attracted to a MUCH wider range of women than the reverse and many more men would date any woman at all so what women have to be is simply a women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:24 PM
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Yeah I was just making a point that this isn’t the case for the vast majority of women. Being low in desirability for a woman MIGHT mean you have to make a move at some point but the equivalent man in that level of desirability doesn’t get anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:31 PM
1

Your male equivalent wouldn’t even be able to experience a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:47 AM
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Yeah that’s the point. Even the bottom of those women they have access to they have to conform to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:30 PM
2

<image> Here’s one from the same data set but from 2010 as you can see it has already surpassed all other categories and continues to trend upwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:33 PM
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Likely just removed the ones that are redundant or too small of a percentage to make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:23 PM
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They’ll commit to a relationship to less sure but that’s still many times more than women. Even if you were extremely low balling it and assume half the women that men are attracted to they’d commit to that’s still many times more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:58 PM
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I mean if you want to break it down that far LIFE is about conformity. But the fact of the matter is that men as a whole have a wider variety of women they can be attracted to compared to women both emotionally and physically combine that with men are also more varied than women and men would have to conform more at least if he wants to date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:32 PM
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Because it’s adjusted for the overlap of people that include bar/restaurant when they met online first.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:22 PM
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Women’s standards have risen so high that they can’t even find any men good enough for them on apps anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:27 AM
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I’m not sure about some sort of collapse but what is going to happen is less and less people will partner at all because women won’t be able to find men good enough for them and most men won’t be able to be good enough for them so both groups will largely give up with the few men that are able to improve to the degree needed will be the only ones in relationships along with the women that were able to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:23 AM
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I would go further and say men just want a girl that isn’t actively hostile towards them as most women are against the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:13 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:40 AM
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Only for very desirable men yes. The difference is men have to do it for all women including very undesirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:36 AM
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And you don’t recognize average men as options at all so they don’t count to you. Average women are often swamped with men, just look at any woman’s social media she will have many many men in her DMs yes real life will be a few less but still PLENTY enough to get a relationship for existing. Men are more likely to be interested in their equal women than women are. Men rate themselves above average at a 72% rate while women rate themselves above average at 90% rate, and the men that do rate them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:25 AM
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Short women desire men of the same height as tall and average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:14 AM
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If only this were the case. Women are mostly only interested in men that are taller than other men not just men taller than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:30 PM
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The only ways a woman won’t get a partner with 0 effort is 1: she is actively avoiding all interaction with men. 2: she is only considering very desirable men. Or 3: she is in the very bottom fraction of desirability. Men are plain, boring, unappealing and weird at the same rate women are and are much more likely to be interested in their match so there are more than enough men interested in these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:28 PM
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The only reason a woman would need to be more than just exist is if she wants a very desirable man. This is where this misconception comes from since most women only consider very desirable men they will think they need to be or do more but her true equal would absolutely take her for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:42 PM
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Whichever one was more interested in me and usually women like option B would be much more judgmental and think herself better than her equal man but if she didn’t I’d choose option B.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:24 PM
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The problem isn’t that tall women like tall men it’s that all women, including very short women, are mostly only interested in tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:20 PM
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The vast majority of women get into relationships for just existing including the undesirable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:55 PM
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This would be the experience of less than 1% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:41 AM
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Arranged marriages were likely better for society as a whole but we obviously can’t go back because women will never be ok with any situation that doesn’t let them chase men far more desirable than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:34 AM
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Just like anything else you would see a lot more women getting off scot-free compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:30 AM
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This would be the effect not the cause which is that women decided to first refuse to date their equivalent men therefore men proceed to get desperate and it feeds back in so women would have to no longer refuse their percentile equivalent man in order to fix the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:07 PM
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There is really no version of this that could work because in reality if you had all/a majority of women with more social power than men the human race just ends because no women would want to pair up anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:57 PM
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And the more options women have the more true this becomes as women just have the ability to jump to the next guy, even below average women can take their pick from average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:30 AM
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Would they still only desire the top portion of those men? For instance in this new world would women now be interested in only the top portion of nerds along with the athletes or would it be more evenly distributed? If more evenly than yeah I would certainly prefer this proposed world, a chance to be partnered or even have a family sounds great! Otherwise there isn’t much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:35 AM
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When better than 99% of men isn’t enough anymore…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 08:13 PM
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They probably think this guy is average compared to them somehow it’s insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:50 PM
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It’s no secret that women target men that are successful or potentially successful so I think the answer to this is pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:49 PM
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Improving is much more limited than that and there are unfortunately many uncontrollable traits that WILL disqualify you that cannot be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:07 AM
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The vast majority of traits women like in men are unfortunately mostly determined at birth (including personality traits) so there is only so much you can do for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:54 AM
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No not just appearance, the only time a less attractive man ends up with a very attractive women is if he has many traits that more than make up for a desirability gap. Men are worse off if women do as it’s that much harder to be more desirable than them. Women’s standards can’t rise to infinity but they do always stay only including a top percentage meaning if all men improve we’d just be in the same place as the beginning. Women and men may exist in a similar ratio but never before have women …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 01:58 AM
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Just based on those stats: 6’2, 24, over 100k and fit is less than .1 percent in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 01:14 AM
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I’m not saying top 20% like dating apps suggest when I say top percentage I mean more like top 40%. The facts are is that women only date men that are a higher percentage of desirability than them so the more desirable people become and the more options women have as a whole less men get a chance. The important talk is great for the top half of men who are able to improve to women’s acceptable desirability but there is still that bottom 50 or even being generous 40% of men that won’t be able get…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 10:18 PM
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Sure he could probably dumpster dive and find someone he’s desirable enough for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 10:10 PM
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Women that are very significantly below him on a desirability level if his claims are true. Remember we are talking about a guy that is in statistically top less than 1% desirability here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:32 PM
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It literally doesn’t matter as men have a vastly wider range of attraction, you can be whatever you are as long as you are female your are guaranteed to easily find a guy attracted to your body type (or even personality type) regardless unlike men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:39 PM
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Because you can have everything and still not be enough for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:32 PM
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Regardless of the reason women have lost most of their desire/need for men in recent times so they will act however they want with men as it doesn’t matter anymore that was my point. Women aren’t shrinking their pools they are expanding them and by doing so become more selective and reduce men’s options. You make a good point men cannot improve to infinity and we are at a point where men are no longer, as a group, able to be that much more desirable then women in order to be seen as an option. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:28 PM
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It’s certainly a good thing for women. Natural would be if women still needed men for protection or at least attention that way they would still have some desire for men outside the top, so while women have their need for men subsidized men don’t get to have their need for women subsidized. Women have always naturally been the selectors but when the selectors get more of a selection they in turn become more selective and only a few of the selected ever get to be so. It doesn’t matter what a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:48 AM
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Nothing would really change if it were just dating apps because as long as women have a larger range of men they can see, whether it’s social media or apps, they will remain extremely selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:56 AM
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The reason is simply that women can get away with it now as men no longer have any leverage in the dating market. So with women being able to act/do whatever they want unchecked there will be a lot more selfish, unhealthy or abusive mindsets from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:52 AM
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Depends on what the empathy is for? There are a lot of things that are experienced the same or very similar so of course but things like dating and relationships the average woman wouldn’t be able to as their experience is in an entirely different dimension.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:50 AM
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Confidence might have mattered back when men didn’t need to be above average or at least more desirable comparatively to have a chance but unfortunately things have changed significantly since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:46 AM
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Hopefully the loneliness will lessen for the growing number of men who have no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:40 AM
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Men are open to women not seen as conventionally attractive as they have a much wider variance in attraction. Who women message is largely irrelevant as they are still only able to message the ones that you “like” and they like the same desirable few. All this means is if a man is in the top 20% a lot of average women will still think she is equal to better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:35 AM
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Hopefully it gets very convincing to help some of us undesirable guys have at least a chance at something however sad it may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:06 AM
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At birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:13 PM
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You can’t impose standards on nothing…..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:59 PM
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The only box she needs to check is “is female”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:23 PM
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What is required is for the man to be a very desirable guy many times more so than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:22 PM
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The difference is men will want sex from what they find undesirable or the easier option and now days even dating is very difficult and men will take what they can get. Her desirability level would be the men that would stay with her long term and marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:21 AM
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You seem to be mistakenly believing women’s options it tied to her desirability more strongly than it actually is. A woman no matter what is going to have a lot of options and will be very picky regardless of her true desirability, unless she’s some high level combination of deformed or disabled. In fact being a single mother can be a very good example of expecting more than her own desirability. A picky woman ≠ a desirable one not like it does with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:35 PM
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The good thing is you are basically guaranteed to find a man that will find you attractive for whatever traits you want since men have both more varied attraction and a lower threshold. Just imagine how “disenchanting” it must be as a guy to realize you have to be the same combination of confident, social and charismatic intrinsically in order to stand a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:43 AM
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The fact that men don’t REQUIRE that out of women decreases your interest? I’m sure a few men out there do appreciate it they just don’t require it like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 01:55 AM
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“Women push men to be great.” By requiring them to be that much greater than women just to have a chance. This isn’t the good thing you seem to think it is. If men did the same women would not be able to handle that to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:19 PM
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Yeah, and since men not needing this is so far detached from how women operate the immediate assumption is exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:25 AM
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Men just don’t really require that much at all from their partners comparatively. I think women can’t understand that men don’t need their partners to have these traits, as women would never partner with men that have them, so women just think that he must somehow be exploiting her making this the default assumption for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:54 AM
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First you’d have to fix the problem of people being less partnered than ever before in the long term and that is essentially unfixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:43 AM
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Yeah, men simply don’t need their partners to be much more confident, social and have no insecurities like what women feel their partners need to be so it’s hard for them to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:31 AM
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It applies FAR less to men. And even if it did it would just make women more alike anyway therefore more “hive mind” like as hive mind refers to similarity in a group in this instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:35 PM
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The outcome is the same walk away or not. But at least you don’t have to waste time and effort for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:03 PM
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There is a difference between having self esteem and thinking you deserve a “good man”. Because most women’s definition of “good man” IS a guy they don’t deserve or are equal to. So most women that want their definition of a “good man” have self esteem that is too high and they are arrogant not “good self esteem”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:01 PM
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“Consideration of and for others” that only applies to other women would just be an example of women being less varied and having an extreme in group bias. Hive mind is obviously extreme but it mostly just comes from women being much more similar in all regards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:51 PM
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It all comes from how difficult it’s gotten for men to date, and because of this most men will often be dating down to some degree. So while it’s certainly better to date down then be alone a lot of men would probably be apprehensive to marrying that far down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:16 AM
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It speaks volumes that the rare times a woman tries to put in effort to get along with men/partner with them that it is looked at by other women in a negative light.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:09 AM
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Men are required to have a lot of things at quite a higher level than women to date, social skills being one of the many.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:03 AM
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It would just waste money and make no difference as women are doing the same thing naturally right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:44 PM
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Women should pay for the first date because being attractive to a woman takes many times more effort than reverse. I don’t think women should actually pay just pointing out the flaw in logic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:42 PM
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Ahh yes most men should narrow down their selection from their 1 options to their 0 options. Only top desirable men have more than 1 option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:37 PM
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No, as most of the time they feel entitled/equal to the “too good to be true” guy so unless it was a wildly desire gab relationship (like a 3 woman with an 8-9 man) then they wouldn’t feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:21 PM
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It would only really help men if this was the case but unfortunately both groups will never be happy at the same time as men want to be partnered and women, as a group, only want to be partnered with a few men. Women aren’t going to change what they can be attracted to and men aren’t going to be happy never being able to partner but you can’t fix both of these as they directly oppose each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:52 PM
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Men still want to marry and start family’s but the very top desirable ones aren’t going to until much later unless they partner up with a woman at their level of desirability or higher, but since most men have to date down in order to date at all most women will see the men not wanting to do those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:32 AM
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Probably because not only is it another way to feign victim hood but also most women don’t just want providers they want men who are entirely more desirable than them so it’s going to cause a perceived power difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:28 AM
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Because it literally doesn’t matter what a woman is like she can still “finish” in any way she wants. There is no similar struggle as there is no struggle at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:46 PM
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Makes sense why men are giving up on making more money but I don’t think it’s just sexual it’s because men have less access to having serious relationships, marriages and families of their own then before. So the many men that are motivated by these things in life won’t even be able to find that motivation and will just give up. This is basically I fixable unless women somehow impossibly do what men did when they made more money and date/marry down in overall desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:44 PM
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I think it will just continue to grow rampant and unchecked until something breaks and then people will wonder “what is wrong with men?” All while they ignored it for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:47 AM
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That’s just women in general!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:47 AM
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If men did as you say then basically no men would be able to date anymore as most men would be attracted to at least their equal and women only except dating up in desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:30 AM
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Generally no there has to be some attraction. What you described is a man and a woman who are both equally undesirable where the man would likely still have some attraction to the woman since men’s attraction is opportunistic to some degree as opposed to women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:25 AM
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Yeah I don’t believe any of that. The reason women do this is because they like men that are the top percentage desirability wise and they likely do like a bit of a chase. If a women made the first (or any) move on an average guy or one at her desirability level (probably even one a bit above her level just not incredibly above) then he would be elated and more then excepting of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:09 AM
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I definitely believe it, as it’s a proven thing, but it helps to realize especially for a guy who will be single for life that it isn’t anything I did wrong or even could be doing better and while it sucks I wasn’t born as one of those few men women can be attracted to at least I know not to waste time trying to be someone I could never be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:57 AM
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Just like you said to me how “it’s very easy for you to say that, with there being no chance of being offered that deal.” As if to say I couldn’t understand the situation because I will never be in it, I responded with the same thing, a situation you couldn’t understand since you won’t ever be in it. Unless I mistook your comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:47 PM
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Same to you, whose only chance at being alone at all is by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:02 PM
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Some were forced to be and some genuinely were but that’s why I included partnering as well. If you couldn’t be desired at least you could still partner, much better than being alone objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:59 PM
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Women are just the same men just don’t need them to be anything more than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:56 PM
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Yeah what a “good thing”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:47 PM
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There are a lot of men that would take that deal over dying alone. Dependency isn’t slavery and men are already biologically forced to desire women so if women lose the reason to be with men then men will suffer for it so still not a good thing neutral at absolute best.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:46 PM
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Just because it’s a good thing for women doesn’t make it a bad thing for men. So if with each woman it’s a good thing for it’s a bad thing for a man then it isn’t a net positive it’s just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:41 AM
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No, it is that most women as a whole deem the vast majority men as a whole undesirable to partner with. I’m sure they truly don’t desire them I agree with that part. I can’t see how any of that is good for men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:23 AM
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A few men may be able to be desired more by more women but the rest can’t even partner at all or won’t be able to in the future much less be desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:09 AM
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You tend to develop a taste for something after trying a verity of things and since men are unable to try as many things as women it only makes sense. Men’s attraction to women is also far more varied as a whole and on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:04 AM
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They out themselves as only trying to date men way outside their desirability level when they say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:01 AM
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Ahhh yes a good thing many more men will never be able to partner and never know what it’s like to be desired. What an amazing thing that men can forever try to improve to the maximum possible degree only to realize he wasted his effort and never had a chance to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:59 AM
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As long as women continue to only try to date way up, and the top fraction of men continue to multi date them it never will stop. Because men will continue to be upset that they are no longer able to partner and women will think they are only ever used by men since they only entertain the fraction that can/do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:29 PM
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More options as a whole will always result in dating becoming better for the picker (women) and worse for the picked (men).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:30 AM
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Unfortunately no. Older women would just want even less to do with younger men (if it’s even possible to want them less).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:08 AM
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A man will marry the option he is MOST attracted to. So the problem becomes if you are attracted to him so are the rest of the women around him, so you’d have to be the one he’s MOST attracted to, both physically and emotionally better then the vast majority of women around him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:20 PM
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Not the kind of attraction that makes a man get married though is it. You would have to be some literal goblin looking woman to not have men, yes even from different leagues, show attraction to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:07 PM
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Not true if it were there wouldn’t be double the single men despite most wanting to partner. Women being attracted only to a top portion of men doesn’t make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 08:07 AM
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Most men are not unwashed and wearing dirty clothes. Women’s standards are anything but low almost all of them are genetic and exclusive to a small number of men. So most men can’t even meaningfully improve his looks. If you showed up unkempt and unwashed there will still be men that would desire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 08:05 AM
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In reality most want to date and marry you. Sure but most people still want to date and marry. I’m not so sure more then 30% of men under 30 are virgins (yes I know that doesn’t mean they are alone but it is likely and an indicative stat), and that will me incredibly underrepresented for obvious reasons, and it’s rising faster then ever before which is actually close to the amount of women who have ever experienced violence or sexual violence at the hand of a partner. I don’t expect you to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:49 AM
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Spoken like someone who’s never been truly undesirable. You don’t actually have to see something as a privilege in order for it to be one. This isn’t true anymore while these men are not the majority it is a group that is growing very fast over the last few years in line with the dating environment changes. The magnitude of the harm done is that you will be much more likely to commit suicide or you will suffer your whole life. Save for the few men that can completely shut off their desire like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:32 AM
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Being a woman isn’t one of these things that are more disadvantageous. The chance of being alone forever as a man is greater then being abused for your desirability as a woman, (given you take minimal precautions like not dating criminals) Heck I’d take actively BEING abused over being alone without a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:11 AM
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Richer than the women are. I agree being the oh well does suck, albeit less than never having anyone, and that’s a man’s only option (if he has one) far too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:05 AM
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I’m not proposing it comes from greater chance of casual sex although that will help. I’m saying women just have better chances for it all at a base level. This is greatly underrepresented, almost 70% of men still want to marry so it’s more like if she is single she has 70 guys wanting to marry her compared with the man who if single has 0 because if he had 1 he’d be dating her. I don’t disagree with your last point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:02 AM
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Yeah, I don’t believe 99% of woman would prefer being a man given the ACTUAL experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:55 AM
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Not enough of them actually but yeah there would be a few. Remember that men always have to make it seem that way to even have a chance. It isn’t just me it is a growing portion of men unfortunately soon to be most men within a few years. And it’s still the average or above guys pursuing at all any man below that doesn’t get the chance to even chase anyone anymore. But none of this will get through to you not until the vast majority of men are unable to have relationships will it even be noticed…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:53 AM
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When you are in a position of power you will likely also have more risk this is women. Of course but the risk of being alone forever as a man is greater. So sure if you are born without the desire to ever have a relationship or family of your own then you might be able to make a case for it being easier in this sense as a man. But most are not born without that desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:43 AM
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Most men and women won’t be treated like “Stacie’s or Chads” so this just goes both ways. Maybe but being treated as either is better than a life of loneliness and it’s a lot harder to be rich enough to be an ATM.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:36 AM
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Yeah I knew why. It’s crazy how vehemently they try to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:06 AM
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If it’s an easy choice for you to never once date and never have a relationship then great that’s cool. If men decided to only do that the human race ends because nobody would ever partner again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:04 AM
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Why are you so obsessed with fucking people? This post is explicitly talking about how that isn’t true. I would go so far as to say there are many men out there that would date without EVER fucking them but women just don’t like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:58 AM
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So a man not ever having a chance = “not fucking everything with (or without) a pulse”? Can’t say I agree with that sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:54 AM
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Yes, but it’s hard to shut off all desire to have a relationship or family living alone your whole life and never desired. I wish I could just turn that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:48 AM
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Starving men of their equal and only letting them date down is the way they cause this. Now I’m not saying it’s maliciously or even consciously being done it’s just a result of women’s standards. I’m not even arguing it should change just be acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:47 AM
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She was explaining how her husband is much more attracted to her than she is to him and I was saying that’s a great advantage to have. I saw no issue with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:44 AM
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Sure liking someone for looks is still superficial just less so than for money. I’d rather be desired for anything at all even money but it’s not the same because you only need to pass men(as a whole)s very low looks threshold but being rich is much harder. Conventional beauty applies much more to men since women’s looks standard are much more similar and homogeneous then men’s. And on top of that the personality standards are no less high.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:42 AM
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I’m sure there are some rich people that don’t value money either but it’s still no less an advantage. If you have a fancy car it’ll be more likely to be broken into or stolen etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:35 AM
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Yes, nothing to get her equal but if she wants more than that yeah she’ll have to work some more for it. It’s not just sexual though that’s the point women are pretty much desired in every way more than their equal man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:32 AM
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I didn’t mean individually but as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:29 AM
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Yeah I’d take the advantage of someone guaranteed to be attracted to me over…. Being able to walk alone at night….. really….
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:19 AM
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I can’t tell you why 1 guy did anything but remember men always have to pursue regardless of how attracted they are to the specific woman. Looks are much less superficial than money actually because they are still a part of you the money isn’t and there aren’t many people in the world that look exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:17 AM
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But I believe women, if they could experience being a man, at least the vast majority would realize how good they actually have it. I disagree it would be as good as dead only if she coupled way up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:12 AM
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But it isn’t even limited to erotic desires but all relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:10 AM
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This study was older and even then showed it getting worse as the years go by. Notice the age of marriage going up that’s the dating environment getting worse and worse so for the men under 30 right now most of them might have a chance when they are 60? 70? Maybe not at all we will have to wait and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:08 AM
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If only we could choose or even just shut off the desire. Nothing worse than being forced so strongly to desire something you can never have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:03 AM
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Your looks are no less part of you then your personality. Now imagine nobody is interested in you for anything at all and the only chance you have is to be better in every way compared to most women around you and that’s only achievable if you have the right genetics. Now sure you can hope to make enough money for someone to settle for wanting your money but that isn’t also guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:43 AM
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I would take the small chance of danger any day over a large chance of being alone without a chance. This post is specifically calling out women that downplay it to just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:36 AM
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I don’t disagree im sure most women do believe that. But it wouldn’t mean they’d be attracted to other things they just wouldn’t be attracted at all. I’d take a, ridiculously higher than reality, 5% chance at dating a rapist any day instantly than the chances of a man having nobody. Men overate themselves too but less at about 70% it’s also very important to not that there is a correlation between men that rate themselves high and men who rate EVERYONE men and women high and this correlation doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:34 AM
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I’m assuming you mean since most women only find a small number of men attractive that you mean there is more competition to lock down one of those men? If we assume this is true then a woman would have a chance while men that aren’t the top wouldn’t since men have a wider range of attraction and women’s attraction to men will be mostly genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:24 AM
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Ahh only according to outdated statistics that include an older dating environment I went over this in the post. Nobody is entitled to anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:20 AM
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The men that marry and barely tolerate their wives are the men that for whatever reason (likely scarcity) married significantly down then yeah that’s likely to happen at some point. A woman that only wants a man for money is the only option a lot of guys have while the scenario you described was not her only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:17 AM
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Some men won’t have a runway at all it’s more like a chance to have a runway or a short timeframe where it’s mind numbingly easy then it’s just easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:03 AM
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But that doesn’t make it any less easy for them it just means they choose to not have it. Like if someone denies a large inheritance that doesn’t make it any less a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:00 AM
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Were you a man you wouldn’t be half as desirable that is essentially the whole post. Friends are great but not really the same (even though women have advantages over men here to) as a romantic relationship as it’s a separate fundamental desire all together. To even believe 5% of men are rapists would be an incredibly insane mindset so if that qualifies to you as a “world full” of them then I don’t know what to tell you other then you are wrong. I do not believe you know what your equal is thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:44 AM
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This would be an example of a woman that was able to date a higher desirability guy instead of him just using her for casual. It can definitely happen otherwise women would keep trying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:28 AM
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I’m sorry you had those experiences. You won’t want to hear this but the fact that you had those bad experiences is actually proof of your desirability. People only want to steal from you if you have something to steal. And you can’t know what it’s like to not have anyone want anything from you abusive or not to not even be good enough for someone to use. Either way just keep to men in the same desirability percentage as you (not by your own definition) and you’ll be able to cash in on it just f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:24 AM
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Oh yeah definitely I was just trying to keep it to relationships but those are all good points.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:09 AM
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The follow up would then be would you want to compete for a chance or not ever get one?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:08 AM
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Yes, but it also makes it easier at all levels including men she’s attracted to, its relative. There are quite a few men that would be happy if any woman were attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:53 AM
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The verity of men’s attraction knows no bounds in that sense it is men’s fault for being attracted to so many more women than they are to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:51 AM
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But then the top percentage of men would have to do the same for it to work and I don’t really see that happening. I wouldn’t say one is more to “blame” than the other there is just a lot more women causing it is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:41 AM
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Yeah they point themselves out when they say things like this really.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:40 AM
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I mean yeah just another advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:39 AM
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This is exactly what I’m talking about in the post. The desire gap includes the desire to date, marry and even have a family with women not just libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:13 AM
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But most of those men who can’t have anyone attracted to them at all if they were women would have someone now let’s even assume that they wouldn’t be attracted to those options (which isn’t true for all) that is still better then nothing. Either way it’s not just the men at the bottom there are men in the average range that have far fewer chances for a meaningful relationship then if they simply were women. That is easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:04 AM
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Sorry you cant wrap your head around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:59 AM
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I’m not upset that “women are one step higher” I’m not even saying women need to change they can and will do whatever they want. What I am saying is women don’t have stairs they have an escalator and some men don’t even have a ladder.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:41 AM
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But there are DEFINITELY more men without anyone at all attracted to them than women so even if this is all it was my point still stands. And sure there likely is a tiny fraction of heavily disabled or disfigured women who can’t have anyone at all but I’d put my life on it that there are many times more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:35 AM
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Not sure how this relates to my post really…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:27 AM
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Come on really “summon one” I’m saying comparatively easy not summon one… The average woman does have the ability to seriously date practically any average (single) guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:17 AM
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Only if the lottery basically guarantees you break even. As most women have access to their equal (not their own perceived equal though).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:13 AM
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For me I like to see into their thought process and use it to better understand how they think taken with a grain of salt though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:09 AM
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Probably is pointless to be honest but at least it helps me to better debate how they think and gain insight on their thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:06 AM
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Yup anyone at all. All women not only are guaranteed someone but their equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:03 AM
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For some men yes. “Chad” has options to date his equivalent percentile woman something the rest of us don’t have. No I don’t. Well men are more likely to acutely judge men and women’s desirability given they rate both men and women on a bell curve compared to women who rate men on a downward slope and women on an upward but this isn’t for sure just more likely. For the unattractive men it is so rare for a woman to be attracted to you at all that they are likely to treat a less desirable in compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:00 AM
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…..I was quoting that as something women say I don’t consider it that way……
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:50 PM
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But even if that was all that IS a privilege not given to men. So regardless it’s still easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:46 PM
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How can you be so sure? I don’t see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:43 PM
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The brain is the biggest sexual organ if you don’t desire your partner to the same degree as he does then… well yeah I’d expect you’d probably finish less…not only that but men will easily finish themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:42 PM
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I believe that likely the top half of men can maybe even top 60 or 70% the amount is debatable. But even if most men can ALL women can and that is by definition still easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:40 PM
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Just sounds like you agree to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:38 PM
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You sound kinda judgmental.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:37 PM
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Which is a result of women not desiring men to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:37 PM
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No I actually just said this was an option should she choose. And as such an option you choose to decline is better than one you don’t have since in this case it is given to all women and one may not think or choose the same as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:35 PM
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You were explaining how a high desirable man could have casual sex downwards as such giving women a false sense of what men want since those are the only guys they are open to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:32 PM
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No it’s men will have casual sex down (and with that treat them worse comparatively) this is some men’s version of rejecting someone in a lower desirability level. Same as the above but just less desirable men and even less desirable women. The reason why some men want to be a chad is because they get a choice. I actually believe if women were attracted to a larger group of men then less would want to be that narrow group women can be attracted to we call “Chad”. These men weren’t able to be Cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:30 PM
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But that is exactly the point a women still has a much easier time with her equal percentile man then the other way around for all things relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:15 PM
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I’m sure they do use even less desirable women for sex yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:13 PM
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You asked what it does for you and I listed some of the options it provides for you. Basically any women can easily partner with her equal who will treat her well and one who would if she is willing start a family with her now these guys may not be who she can even possibly be attracted to but most will be her equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:09 PM
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Statistically most men still want to partner up and even marry. Maybe you hang around very desirable men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:06 PM
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Can’t argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:04 PM
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It gives you the chance to date, have a partner who is attracted to you or even have your own family who loves you. Now these are easy options for you whether you choose them or not is up to you but forgoing them doesn’t make them any less easy or a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:03 PM
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I’m not saying it will change but I am saying that maybe if we at least acknowledge it then maybe these men will be less harshly judged and maybe even less pressured to chasing something unattainable. But yeah maybe it’s just wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:59 PM
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….this is by definition a desire gap…..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:57 PM
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I think even if casual sex stopped tomorrow it would still be easier for women to pair up there only thing that would change is more women would give up because all the top men would be coupled.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:56 PM
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And men are sick of not having attraction from anyone ever. But one of these things certainly gives many more opportunities for serious relationships than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:54 PM
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This is exactly what I refer to in the post women only see guys that use them for sex because they are only open to men that are above them in desirability and yes a lot of men will have casual sex downwards. But the reality is that most men do still want to be in LTRs and still want to be married. But if women can only possibly be attracted to more desirable men then they won’t see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:52 PM
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Nope! Most men your equal wanting a relationship with women does though!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:48 PM
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What belief? The belief, I vehemently deny, that men only want to “stick their dick” in most women while in reality the vast majority want LTRs and even marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:47 PM
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Yes the ones that are super desirable won’t treat you the same as you treat them that’s for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:45 PM
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Is it? I know plenty of men who want to be in an LTR and even start families. Last time I checked the majority of men still wanted marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:44 PM
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Wrap it up boys we’re done here! haha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:42 PM
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The few top percentage of men have the power to change it not the rest of us 95% men and yes I would agree that the absolute top percentage of men do have more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:41 PM
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Oh for sure. I was just trying to keep it in the realm of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:39 PM
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Not all women are 10/10 but they all do have at the very least some men attracted to them which is a privilege men don’t receive. I think it has a bit more to do with a pity party and actually has increasingly terrible consequences for men rising suicide rates for an extreme example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:38 PM
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Sure I don’t even disagree but that is still easier than having to acquire a skill that not even every man is able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:34 PM
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Choosing not to use an advantage ≠ not having one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:32 PM
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Most likely evidence is that men rate both men and women on a bell curve, while women rate men on a downward slope and women on an upward one. Even if you just think of traits of an undesirable guy (short, balding, unambitious etc.) 99.9% of women wouldn’t associate with but on the other side traits in women that men typically don’t like (overweight, entitled, hairy etc.) you will always find a decent amount of men even still specifically attracted to that trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:31 PM
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You’d have a point if she wasn’t saying the exact same example i described as downplaying in my post….
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:25 PM
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Come on don’t be dishonest women don’t only attract “incredibly horny” men. The ability of a women to attract her male version is incredibly higher then the reverse and this is the ease that I talk about, sure I understand most women do not want nor feel attracted to their equal but it is still always there as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:24 PM
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That obese woman can likely still be attracted to the man and even have a family with if they so choose that is still a better option then to be alone forever if he is so unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:21 PM
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Men do not “just want to fuck” women most still want to date, marry or even start a family. The difference is women overwhelmingly reciprocate to the guys who don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:07 PM
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I’m very sure that if us men could just turn off any and all desire to be coupled, desired or even have a family that a lot probably would choose to do that but unfortunately that isn’t a feature we are born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:05 PM
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But she literally is exemplifying what I say in the post? Maybe she didn’t read it but it’s specifically about women that think incorrectly they only get the advantage of men that “just want to stick their dick in”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:01 PM
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The difference is that even if you don’t like your options they are still options and should you choose you can still date, have someone attracted to you, marry and even have a family. But the guys in the desert, unless lucky or good enough to find that oasis, are going to go thirsty for as long as they have left.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:58 PM
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The gay men comparison is not an equal comparison just because women are incapable of attraction towards men on the lower end of desirability. Because attracting the opposite sex is still a part of it regardless of attraction. So maybe you could say women they aren’t attracted to but then we run into the problem of there really being no women that are completely unattractive to all men, leading back to the attraction gap I talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:53 PM
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Ahh proving my point I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:48 PM
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This is true. But most men not bothering is practically what they seem to want anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:46 PM
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How so? Men are much more realistic with how attractive they think both women and men are by rating them both on a very likely to be true bell curve while women rate men on a downward slope and women on an upward one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:28 AM
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Yes this isn’t contrary to what I said at all. It’s also becoming less and less true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:24 AM
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Only top desirable men choose who they date the rest that can are not choosing who they date but TO date or be alone and most men want to experience relationships at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:01 AM
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So is your argument that men are perfectly capable of turning off any and all of the desire they feel for women, relationships or even family? I wish that were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:41 AM
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But as long as the context is dating and relationships, aside from physical force an obvious crime, attraction is a MUCH stronger and more common reason for a power imbalance and men are biologically forced to desire women (just regular average women) while the reverse is far from true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:24 AM
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The only time a power imbalance favoring the man can happen in a relationship is when the woman is dating or attempting to date WAY outside of her desirability level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:06 AM
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In dating/relationships women are the ones in positions of overwhelming power so it just seemed ironic to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:45 AM
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“There is a reason people in power tend to be sociopaths” The irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:41 AM
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Only because of proximity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:31 AM
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The men that like the “chase” are the ones that can catch what they are chasing us average or below guys are not catching anything anymore. So yeah it’d make most men a lot happier but likely most women less happy and maybe not even accomplish anything since most require men to chase them to even feel even a tiny degree of affinity for a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:28 AM
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Yeah men are forced to biologically all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:23 AM
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If a guy is lucky he can choose TO date not WHO to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 06:40 PM
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They are called women and rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:31 AM
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No because this only really happens when women date insanely out of their desirability level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:26 AM
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Because that relationship, at least for most men, has a pretty good chance of being your last.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:17 AM
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And why would men need to be accountable for anything they do? The reason women are told to be accountable for choosing is because women and top percent men are the only ones who get a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 09:37 PM
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Men aren’t “low effort” women just expect extra special high effort treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:47 AM
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Women aren’t held accountable for anything at all much less the advantages they have in dating and partnering so why should men be held accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:46 AM
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Men are the only ones who can do all these things and still never be enough if they weren’t born a certain desirability level so i don’t see that as an advantage. Also the only ones who have to deal with competition since it’s a fight to fit and stay in the narrow percentage of men that women can be attracted to not much advantage there either. The only advantage you can have is if you are born both top desirable and then improve even more to be at the pinnacle of male desirability then are able…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:42 AM
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The only data that matters is newer data that is indicative of a new trend in dating so including older people is actually a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:36 AM
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Bi women would also be a tiny portion (.5% of men vs 1% of women)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:51 PM
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I can’t be sure why a relatively tiny portion of men do something but my best guess’s are: social pressure to be straight, desire to have children, just is bisexual or as a cover up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:24 PM
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“So many” is most definitely an overestimation but that also doesn’t really do anything to discredit what I said because maybe they see men on the side for the very reason I said, im not arguing that but that’s just as likely, but it’s probably more likely that bi men try to only date women publicly because social pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:07 PM
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Sorry I’m not really sure what you are trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:04 PM
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Which she will GREATLY prefer over dating her ND equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:24 PM
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Men don’t “pick” unless they are absolute top desirability that’s like saying the employee is picking the job they are going to have by putting in their application. The reality is the employer is the one picking from the applicants NOT the applicants picking the employer, just because they put in their application doesn’t mean they picked that job.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:09 PM
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Dating especially sucks for anyone who has to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:04 PM
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Definitely not interested in casual sex in fact would love to wait for marriage but neither are an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:25 AM
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So imagine you are an average guy and being an average guy you never had very much luck with romance or maybe even been able to experience it at all, then you see this video of a woman who could have easily been married and had everything you could have wanted, crying about it despite how easy she still has it and then rubbing it in afterwards. An angry, insulting or even hateful response is pretty natural especially with her exemplifying the exact behavior that currently forces men to be romant…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:23 AM
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