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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 04:15 PM
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CMVValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:25 PM
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Question for BluePillValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 03:30 PM
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ScienceValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 02:53 AM
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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:12 PM
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Question for BluePillValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:02 AM
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DebateValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:11 PM
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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 05:42 PM
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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 04:16 AM
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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:52 AM
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DiscussionValleyFever101/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 05:34 PM
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I think it may have to do with the type of toilet paper. The women I've known always insisted on the super soft and fluffy brands of toilet paper which seemed to go quickly. I would buy Scott brand which lasted longer but wasn't soft enough for them. And then there's the age old argument regarding toilet paper: Over or under? These kinds of disputes end marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 08:47 PM
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Really? Can you show me this? I'm not sure you understand how hard women had to fight for the right to study and enter into a profession or career. While there weren't many, there were women scientists, doctors, teachers, etc. before feminism, proving that it was at least possible for women to do these things. And as I was just reminded in another thread, women were granted equal rights in the Soviet Union, which required a Marxist revolution, but not "feminism" as such. They were more class-ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 08:30 PM
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What's your take? I think your analysis makes a great deal of sense, although I've also noticed that there's also a wide variance in regards to geographic location and what social class one is from. Someone working in a feed store in a small Texas town is going to see the world much differently than someone working in the financial sector in NYC. I've noticed a lot of blue pillers say that they reside in a liberal area. People who come from different cultures or countries might also see things d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 05:14 PM
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Feminism is built upon the concept of women being people. I daresay that most human societies were aware of this long before feminism came on the scene. No one can take away or deny this history and confirmation. You can't sink it. It's unsinkable. I'm not denying anything. Sure, women are capable of becoming doctors, scientists, or whatever else they want to be. They didn't even need feminism to become those things, as history also shows. But as far as the politics of feminism, that all rests o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 04:32 PM
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Which is worse, pretty boy? Neither, as long as both operate within the law and are non-violent. They cancel each other out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 01:29 AM
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What if she were 17 and he 35+? That would be illegal in my state, so the question is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 01:23 AM
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Thank you. I just checked it out, and apparently, they say "Only approved users may post in this community." So, I guess that takes care of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 01:19 AM
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The point is, why does anyone have to "do research" in order to find out that women are decrying the portrayal of men as incompetent? We certainly know how women feel about "slut shaming" and "rape culture," since feminists don't rely on men reading women's magazines to spread the word on those issues. By comparison, their purported "activism" on other issues (such as raised by the OP) seems quite obscure and practically a secret only known to a few key feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 01:14 AM
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A question that comes to mind is that, if women are against the portrayal of men as incompetent, why would one have to find evidence of such in obscure women's magazines?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 12:04 AM
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You do know there is a separate subreddit for Feminist/MRA debates, right? Is there? I don't think I've seen any mention of it here. Besides, it's all really the same arguments anyway, despite any protestations to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 11:02 PM
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Anyone who thinks that feminism can sink doesn't understand what feminism is and what it's built upon Perhaps you could enlighten me? What is feminism built upon? Besides, anything can sink. Nothing lasts forever. Any serious student of history would understand this. We would have to bring in an ISIS-like regime to destroy feminism. If something as weak as ISIS can destroy feminism, then that alone is confirmation that it's not really built on a strong foundation. Fact is, feminism has relied so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 10:53 PM
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If I, as an ideological enemy, and completely free from blame for their situation, can have empathy for male feminists, why can't their own allies? I don't think it was always this way. Back when feminism was still struggling to gain more widespread acceptance, they welcomed any and all male support. But once they reached a point where their political viability and overall position in society became stronger, they likely felt they could go it alone and do without male support, other than the sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 05:42 PM
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Unfortunately it is over $40 on amazon, but maybe it is cheaper in UK, since it was written there. There's some irony about someone charging over $40 for a book to tell us something that many of us already knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 02:15 PM
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I have to admit this one totally blindsided me. I have never heard (nor would I even conceive of such a thing) that a lack of attraction to short hair on women is associated with a desire to commit rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 05:16 PM
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“In a bar, six guys just crowded round me and started shouting at me, calling me a rapist, a misogynist, and threatening me. I had to get out of there. I don’t want to play the victim card, but afterwards I cried.” This is totally fucked up. The West has its hands full with the Muslims and a possible war between NATO and Russia, and yet, we want to alienate large segments of our homeland's male population and turn other males against each other...just because a bunch of feminists got upset about…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:11 PM
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In regards to the anger that you mention, I think there's a larger picture to consider in that we already live in a somewhat nasty, dog-eat-dog society anyway. It's not really just about this issue. As far as trigger warnings and safe spaces are concerned, people have the choice to refrain from reading or participating in any forum where the subject matter is too upsetting for them. You are always well within your rights to proclaim that women have the mental capacity of children, just as PETA h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 10:22 PM
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Can you really blame women for thinking this, if this is what men are saying? I guess not, no more than women who blame TRP for what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 06:03 PM
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But she hasn't seen it before and she thinks "he is really complicated." I've heard this one before myself. Fact is, human beings really are complicated, and this includes men. However, I've observed that women, when discussing men, tend to reduce the entire gender to the lowest common denominator, using such pithy phrases as "Men have only one thing on their minds." (TRP aren't the only ones guilty of using generalizations of "all ___ are like that." Women have been doing it for generations.) S…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:33 PM
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They believe that patriarchy oppressed and exploited women for the benefit of men. I know that's what they believe, and I've observed that no amount of logic or historical fact will ever sway them from this belief in the slightest. That's part of the reason why I don't lose any sleep over the payback they're getting in the form of "misogyny." The feminists are the ones who set the tone for the debate a long time ago, and now they're crying because they get a taste of their own medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:07 PM
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The "the other side did bad things so I don't mind if my side throws it back at them" just means both sides will keep throwing it back at each other, both thinking the other side started it. Yeah, I know, but that's the bed that our society has made. However, I don't think the feminist reaction to patriarchy is analogous to the manosphere's reaction to feminism. After all, at least patriarchy took into consideration the needs of all of society as a whole, both men and women. Feminists only consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:03 PM
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Well, as I've observed, feminists have been generalizing men for the past several decades now, so if they get a bit of payback from the manosphere, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. That they use the same generalizations against TRP is no surprise, as it's been part and parcel of feminist rhetoric since the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:09 AM
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It would make no difference to me if a woman chose not to have kids. No skin off me. most of the people being negative or vitriolic were men (except for 2 women) I'm not sure who these men are or why they would even care, but it is a curiosity, to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:05 AM
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Of course, we're talking about a woman whose husband was quite the womanizer and accused of having affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:15 PM
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When you belong to a group, once someone from the same group does something bad, you will be painted with the same brush as him This is only true among those who already have a negative opinion of that group, and they'll only look at those who reinforce that opinion. And what does it mean to actually "belong" to a group? A lot of the tarring of the same brush occurs merely over a person's place of birth, or who their parents were, or what nationality, race, or gender they are. A lot of times, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:15 PM
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To say that it's all "imaginary" does not address anything. Not that you really have to address anything, but I just find it interesting that the same merry-go-around of a discussion takes place here. What it reveals to me is that BPers really don't know why they oppose RP, just that they do. They're programmed that way, and they can't really explain why in a way that doesn't involve outright denial of reality (as noted in the list above) or excessive emotionalism (such as when they use the word…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:52 PM
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Yes, but everyone has the option to leave, especially when "membership" only amounts to participation on a message board. That's hardly comparable to those who sell all their worldly possessions and go live on a compound somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:38 PM
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Not everyone is curious or similarly curious. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't even know anyone who believes the world is flat, although I have come across people who believe in UFOs and that aliens are among us. I used to find them interesting a long time ago, but not so much anymore. But I do see those who waste their time trying to "debunk" UFO stories. Of course, it's their time to waste and they have every right, but I often wonder: Why do these people even bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:35 PM
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I'm a little confused as to what you were hoping for in answer to that question. Do you feel that I speak for all subscribers to /r/thebluepill[1] ? Well, you seemed to be implying that above: Except we're not. No, we don't spend much time condemning the bogey(wo)men invented by TRP. Why should we? a better use of our time to point out that they're not real Who is this "we" that you claim to be representing? Are you using the royal "we"? Do you understand now how your response did not follow fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:14 PM
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One thing that you said in your previous post was: It's scary to me because if someone's inexperienced enough it can look like it has all the answers. The best way to avoid this is to at least expose one to various opinions and ideas, in order that one would be aware of it when one stumbles across it on the internet or in real life. I don't really think it's that huge a deal anyway, since what constitutes the "manosphere" is really only a collection of blogs and message boards in an internet whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:06 PM
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Except we're not. TBP is pretty vocal about "the female behaviors being addressed" by TRP. Specifically, how these behaviors are imaginary. Except they're not imaginary. Most BPers seem to point out that TRP is wrong for saying that "all women are like that," but that's really the only thing. If we can get past that tiny hurdle, then we're left with the question of what percentage of women are like that, if it's the majority or some tiny minority not worth mentioning. But it seems that you're ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:44 PM
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I find the idea that my 13 year old brother could stumble upon a community which teaches him that me, our mother and his female classmates are inferior to him, manipulative and out to get him and men like him terrifying. Any time he enters a church, chances are he'll get some form of that belief. Or once he starts entering the business world or starts interacting with people from other nations and cultures. Do you want your little brother to be sheltered so much that he won't be prepared for wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:20 PM
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Just as a point of order, the OP also added Bonus question to everybody: why do you spend time on a debate forum? In a situation like this, would everyone be allowed to answer this question at least?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:14 PM
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Um, because we have empathy and care about our fellow human beings? I have difficulty believing this one. One thing that I've said over and over since I got here is that if feminists believed in a consistent set of principles, much of what constitutes the Red Pill would be practically non-existent. The blue pillers and feminists constantly focus on the red pillers, yet they're conspicuously silent about the female behaviors being addressed. The most blue pillers might say is "not all women are l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:08 PM
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imagine there was an active subreddit full of people that really thought the world was flat. wouldn't you find that interesting? Actually, no I wouldn't, and frankly, I would wonder about those who would find such a thing interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:57 PM
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I got out thanks to someone who opened my eyes online. What do you mean when you say you "got out"? You make it sound like some kind of cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:55 PM
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BOTH sexes can manipulate the other into real shitty situations. All people may be vulnerable to such manipulation by people they feel attraction and affection for. But the ones who really end up suffering the most are the children. It's one thing for adults to make bad choices where only they have to face the consequences. But when the consequences are visited upon the children, that's quite a different thing. Sure, everyone's situation is different, and we all know that there are a lot of shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:34 PM
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That's why they have sewing circles and social clubs. My grandmother was on the Altar Society. A lot of wealthy wives do volunteer work for charities. My boss' wife did a lot of work for a children's charity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:12 PM
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And very often it is her choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:03 PM
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well, we all know that's a choice they made and had complete control over, conceiving and giving birth to a boy instead of a girl. they should have seen it coming, right? i mean, they're just getting what they deserve, doing something like that. Oh come on, this is ridiculous. Obviously, she can't choose whether it's a boy or a girl, but she can choose whether or not to have sex, whether to use birth control, whether to carry through with the pregnancy, and (most important) whether to stay with …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:39 PM
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I am the author of the article, by the way. It was an interesting article. My parents were divorced when I was six, and my brother and I originally lived with our mother. While we moved back with our father a few years later, there was a great deal of damage that would still continue for many years. I could relate with a lot of what you wrote. But to a large extent, there were a lot of "bad insufficient men around" which made a bad situation 10x worse. My mother was a total abuser, yet I couldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:21 PM
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ALL single mothers need to be hated regardless of the circumstances? Maybe not all of them, although the article you linked was interesting. But even the author didn't say "all" single mothers, only single mothers of boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:04 PM
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how is shouting like this and attacking people supposed to help with discussion, at all? I tend to think there'd be less shouting if people were more honest and answered questions directly, rather than obfuscating over pedantic minutia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 02:25 PM
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I don't think Alpha males care lol Yeah, that's probably true. Why should someone care about what others think? Is "alpha male" a comment on group behavioral dynamics or is it some kind of street gang or high school clique? Sometimes it's hard to tell, the way the term keeps getting tossed around like it does. I never did relate much to the whole idea of "alpha," "beta," "omega." Human societies are far too complex for such broad groupings. Although, it would still be easier to divide people up …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:05 PM
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I think it varies from individual to individual. I've noticed a difference of opinion among MGTOW - some of whom believe it means "no women at all" while others believe it's okay to still have sex with women but still eschew relationships. Even throughout history, there have been plenty of men who went off on their own - sailors, pioneers, explorers, mountain men. I can say that my uncle was a lifelong bachelor who lived well into his 80s, while my father was married three times and died in his …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:06 PM
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I also find political correctness to be counterproductive and somewhat stifling, but this thing at Dartmouth is just plain ridiculous. From what the article was saying, public opinion was against them, recognizing that they had gone way too far. Political correctness, if practiced according to a consistent and solid set of principles, would not sanction this sort of thing. Someone who says they're against racism going around violently attacking people because of their race is someone who is seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:42 PM
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If he grew a mustache and a goatee, he might look similar to Trotsky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:33 PM
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Assume that feminism has created a rape culture paranoia on campus and sexual harassment charges go around willy nilly for anyone women find creepy or unattractive. How does a man ask a woman out in this environment? Well, I suppose a man could always find off-campus activities and socialize with and date women who aren't students.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 02:29 AM
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But if someone is just saying "I hate Americans all Americans are dumb," because they just didn't like America and knew 1 American who was dumb, I would not really engage. That argument clearly isn't a factual one no matter whether or not that individual seems to believe it is. True, although I don't think one can assume what the motive might be for holding such a view. As you say, it's necessary to verify the source and find out from each individual why they hold the views they hold. But that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:11 PM
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And going back to my original post, it's more than being emotional, it's having an opinion that is strongly tied to said emotions. Because emotions influence conclusions. Not always. I've known many people who have a very keen ability to separate their personal feelings from their business decisions or their perceptions of objective reality. That doesn't mean they don't express some wild ass opinions from time to time, but just because someone is an outspoken loudmouth doesn't automatically nega…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:55 PM
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I would argue that the tone in an argument reflects the personal emotions of the arguer. In this case, really angry, resentful or misogynistic tone reflects anger, resent and misogyny, which are irrational and negative emotions. But couldn't that just as easily be applied to the person who is perceiving the "arguer" as being emotional? I've seen it happen more often where someone might be attempting to ascribe an emotional reason for a person's statement, rather than dealing with the statement a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:51 PM
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Actually, the tone very much matters and invalidates TRP ideology. How? The tone reflects emotional influence in the ideas, very irrational emotion as a matter of fact, which means that the ideas are not based in reality or fact but rather the perceptions of people who are irrationally emotional when it comes to women. As such, the ideas may be accurate but are most likely the product of biases and resentment. I think that can be just as easily turned around and applied to just about anything. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:48 PM
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No, when I registered and made up this handle, I had just finished reading an article about valley fever. But regarding the forums, I was also referring to forums where there might be a lot of women overall, although the political sub-sections tend to have more male posters. It's kind of the same thing with sports as well, as sports forums tend to have more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:42 PM
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And I believe you, too, but that doesn't necessarily mean women aren't interested or capable. I never said they weren't capable. Girls and women often aren't encouraged to learn or discuss these topics the same way boys and men are, or as accepted when they choose to. 40-50 years ago, this might have been true. Not anymore. All that's really required is an interest in the subject matter. If there aren't that many women interested in the topic, then they're just not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:38 PM
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I can't speak for other women, but I personally don't spend any time at all on political or history forums. Why would I? I've got co-workers and other peers that I can discuss these issues with. I trust their judgment and knowledge a lot more than I trust random internet strangers. Yeah, but you're on this forum. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:18 PM
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I believe you, although my observation is that, in the political and history forums I've frequented, the vast majority of participants are male. Women are few and far between in forums like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 02:57 PM
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I would define "misogyny" as "hatred of women," but that would necessitate defining "hatred." "Hatred" implies something active and consciously embraced, with an attitude of malice and intense dislike. Things like "benevolent sexism" and/or prejudicial "generalizations" don't really count as "misogyny" unless accompanied by active malice towards ALL women, which seems to occur exceedingly rare, even on TRP. Even saying that "single mothers are scum" doesn't count as "misogyny," since it only add…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 02:39 PM
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No, the BP definition is synonymous with sexism. Yes, I've noticed this as well. Basically, anything that's politically incorrect is derided as "misogyny" from the BP point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 10:08 PM
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I see. So feminists differentiate and identify various kinds of assholes? Do they view all assholes with equal disdain, or is it only certain kinds of assholes who are viewed badly, while other kinds of assholes are given a pass?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 08:46 PM
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Then why don't they just call them "assholes"? Why tar all nice guys with the same brush?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 08:05 PM
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"I'm so nice! Why won't any of these dumb sluts date me?!" Isn't actually something nice people say. So, in other words, the feminist idea of a "nice guy" is nothing more than a straw man and a caricature? I would agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 07:30 PM
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If those are the standards of men when it comes to LTRs , it's no wonder that many of them end up marrying untrustworthy women. Possibly, although being untrustworthy wouldn't be a matter of personality. That's more a matter of morality and character.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 12:22 PM
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If there is such a thing as "rape culture," it might be because there is a larger sub-culture in America which has glorified criminality, violence, and other amoral behaviors which haven't really been addressed. The focus on "rape culture" seems to miss the forest through the trees. You want to seriously put a dent in the crime of rape and significantly reduce violence against women? Then it would mean having to take the gloves off and deal with all crime in the harshest possible manner. The tro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:24 AM
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I never said it would be your fault. I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:33 AM
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I understand, although it's generally a good idea to be careful about these things, since there's always a risk of rapid escalation. You suggested it doesn't matter what you say to them, but legally, that's not really true. It does matter what you say to them and how you say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:23 AM
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My question for all the males in the audience: What would you have done were you this kid? Specifically, if you knew you couldn't take the other male in a straight fight. I don't know. I've heard that Chinese are far more racist and xenophobic than Westerners realize, although it's hard to say. There will always be a certain number of men who will rail against foreigners coming in to "take their women." That's what this seemed to be about. But I've also talked to Chinese guys from Hong Kong who …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:16 AM
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It depends. In some cases, those who use "fighting words" might be considered instigators.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 09:55 AM
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When I think of "blaming," I think of an active attempt to find a scapegoat for something that goes wrong. It doesn't necessarily have to be related to moral culpability. Someone could be blamed for losing a ballgame because they dropped the ball, but that wouldn't imply that they did anything morally wrong. "Blaming" can often be considered irrational, since it may involve looking at only a few surface-level factors and lead someone to conclude "It's all your fault!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 03:43 PM
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If I enter into a relationship clean and so is my partner (even if we both had wild casual sex beforehand), if he has sex outside of the relationship he's putting me at risk because I entered the relationship clean and with no STDs. That's assuming that he would be having sex with partners who have STDs. That need not be the case, as one can take measures and practice sex responsibly. And he disrespected the relationship because he devalued me , he embarrassed me, etc.... None of these reasoning…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 03:02 PM
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It's possible they put the partner who was cheated on at risk for an STD. It's possible they risked getting someone pregnant. But these could be cited as risks for casual sex in general. I think what the OP may be addressing are certain duplicitous views about sex in general at a societal level. On the one hand, the sexual revolution told everyone that casual sex is okay, that "everyone is doing it," and that it's generally just a fun recreational activity like bowling or playing a round of golf…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 12:47 PM
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This is why I couldn't see it before. I was only looking for moral blame like in the second sense, Just out of curiosity, why were you "looking" for blame? The reason I ask is that I've noticed a tendency to ascribe some sort of emotionally-based "motive" behind TRP, even if someone is just stating generalized observations which may not affect him/her personally. What is the reason for this? If someone says "rain is wet," why not just deal with the statement at face value? Why try to seek out so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 12:15 PM
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Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 08:58 PM
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I suppose both sides have their own levels of quirkiness. I don't know that I would call either of them "nonsense" or "ridiculous," since they're arguing many of the same issues men and women have argued about already for decades. However, I think the technology of the internet may have had an effect on the nature and scope of the overall discussion. Theoretically, there shouldn't be any "echo chambers" since people on an internet forum all have access to the same media, the same books, articles…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 01:05 PM
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I don't know that feminism is "inherently" flawed. Theoretically, feminism could work if it practiced what it preached and supported a consistent ideal of absolute equality across the board. I've been saying all along that if feminists were true to their stated principles and followed them consistently, most of what they complain about today (such as RP, "misogyny," pick-up artists, "nice guys," etc.) wouldn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:42 PM
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If sexism/gender is a social construct, why didn't society become female dominated? I suppose it could have worked that way, in societies that existed in isolated conditions with no other clans or tribes to compete with. But if the protection of your society becomes your top priority, then those who are the best fighters/warriors will invariably end up with the most wealth and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 01:18 PM
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That refers to sexism, not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:53 PM
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He's allowed to say it, people are allowed to call him a fucking idiot, they're allowed to say they want him off the air, and the people he works for are allowed to suspend him if they want (which they did). Freedom all around! True enough, although would the same thing work in reverse if the listeners of this program liked what he said and demanded that he be put back on the air? I've never heard of this guy, so I have no idea if he had any popularity or fanbase prior to this incident. There's …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:50 PM
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As long as the government isn't involved, your free speech is alive and well. I thought BBC was owned by the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:38 PM
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others think a strong and independent woman means she should be able to defend and protect herself I don't think it would necessarily entail physical strength. I think the question can be looked at from the viewpoint of what standard society would judge a man to be strong and independent. This standard could even apply if the man might be physically weaker or less able to defend himself, yet they might still be mentally strong or at least able to size up situations and protect himself in other w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:30 PM
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Don't you want to feel real love? Or do you want to manipulate people forever? Doesn't that make you a shitty person? I suppose one can say it's a shitty situation that caused the perceptions, ideas, and thought processes which led to the conception of the "red pill" and its variations. One might also say that we live in a shitty society where people are manipulated all the time. If society has a track record of accepting, rewarding, and even praising such behaviors from those at the very top, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:24 PM
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You're assuming women have the same access to wealth that men do. That's a pretty gigantic unfounded assumption you're making there. Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:08 PM
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Chivalry and being "nice to women" isn't the opposite of misogyny. It's part of it. It's a sexist idea that follows traditional gender roles. They're not being "shamed" because they don't follow gender roles. They're being "shamed" because they act like entitled (women should like me) and egoistical (because I'm nice). You don't deserve special treatment for having basic manners. Fuck you. Just out of curiosity, do you have sources for these claims? You need to back this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:52 PM
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Rape is a matter for law enforcement and the criminal justice system. If there is such a thing as "rape culture," it's only because of an overall attitude of permissiveness towards criminality and lawlessness. It can also be discerned in certain sub-cultures and even glorified in the entertainment media. Not just rape, but murder, robbery, organized crime, terrorism, tyranny, etc. I don't think "rape culture" can be eliminated unless the overall problem is attacked at its source. I also strongly…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 04:54 PM
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No we don't care. At all. Who is "we"? Are you claiming to represent all women here? Should this statement be interpreted as a tacit acknowledgment of "AWALT"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 01:19 PM
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I've noticed a lot of people here tend to overstate the issues of "anger" and "hatred." Basically, a "misogynist" is any male who disagrees with feminism, as it's thrown around rather casually. I don't think women are the enemy. Most of them (just like most men) are just misguided and misled. In my opinion, what you may be seeing is the political consequences and fallout from feminism. It's a backlash effect. It's to be expected. Some people presume that it's all about "sour grapes," that these …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 04:20 PM
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The British Male has spoken. I now expect my due.... Chop chop colonials. I haven't got all day. Show me your gratitude! Well, I'm grateful that your countrymen created the United States of America. ;) Still, I can sort of understand the OP's argument here, as I've seen rhetoric which tends to place collective blame on men for all the bad things, yet ignoring all the good things (or merely acknowledging them as individual exceptions). I've seen the same kind of rhetoric leveled at both the Unite…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:27 PM
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So you think an average girl in their 20's doesn't feel alone ? Any more than an average guy in his 20s? Hard to say. Again, I think it would depend on what they had grown accustomed to up until that point. There might also be family and social pressures which might make people feel more alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:41 PM
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Of course, perhaps that's what you meant when you wrote "RP" instead of "TRP", there's a difference between beliving in "RP" theories ( much of which predates RP or collected from many fields, like evopsych ) and being a practicting TRPer, identifying as alpha or trying to become one. Perhaps, although when I look at the different acronyms in the "manosphere" - whether RP, TRP, MGTOW, PUA, MRA - I also try to look at what they have in common. The criticisms of all of them seem to come from the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:24 PM
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I think it depends more on what one is used to. If one has lived a life of relative solitude, then it's far easier to be alone than someone who has been accustomed to an active social calendar and a lot of dates. It's just like with parents who spend decades raising kids, then are suddenly faced with "empty nest syndrome." Those who never had kids won't experience that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:55 PM
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Should accusations of being a "neckbeard" even be deflected? I suppose there are ways of dealing with this kind of invective. For one thing, anyone who would use such a term and consider it a putdown must have the maturity of an eighth-grader. Also, it should be noted that this kind of tactic nullifies whatever "moral imperative" blue pillers might have felt they had regarding their judgments of RP. Their entire position rests on their belief that they hold the moral high ground, but by calling …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:12 PM
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This one is on your fellow man. Not really, no. It's on the women who choose to reward these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:25 PM
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Indeed. "Misogyny" is just a loaded term used mostly by political hacks and parroted by mindless followers. It's not to be taken any more seriously than when Muslims call America the "Great Satan." Basically, a "misogynist" is any male who publicly disagrees with feminism. Anyone who uses the term should never taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:32 PM
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It might be that when he's made decisions in the past, his partners may have endlessly complained about it. Or he may have offered several options which were all shot down. I've heard women say that they want a decisive man, but when the rubber actually meets the road, they won't actually let him be decisive. What they actually want is to be relieved of any responsibility, because if they have a bad time at whatever place they went, the woman can just say "Well, it wasn't my fault; I didn't pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 04:18 PM
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BP isn't trying to say that at all. They're against RP because RP makes observations about female behaviors - even if not all women are like that. For example, if RP says that "women are hypergamous," a more credible response from feminists would be to condemn the behavior of hypergamy, rather than denying it or blaming the messenger. Even if they don't believe women to be hypergamous, they should at least condemn the behavior, even if they don't believe any woman actually does that. But they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:56 AM
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Are you actually retarded? No, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:45 AM
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I don't see what your complaint is here. Those who take up the anti-RP position are as much as saying that all women are saints and simply refuse to believe anything that would suggest otherwise. They're far more focused on toeing the party line and condemning anyone else who does not toe that line. When you speak of what children do, one thing associated with children is the practice of covering one's ears and saying "La! La! La! La! - I can't hear you!" That sums up the anti-RP crowd, in a nut…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 02:49 PM
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People who want to be taken seriously. Taken seriously by whom? By you? People who are actively trying to be an adult. Some of us don't need to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 02:38 PM
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Which differs from the feminised Western mindset that feel the necessity to convince others around them. RP opts to see other groups for how they perceive the world and adapt accordingly on their own. I would agree with this. At least when looking over the past 30-40 years of how the debate over gender issues has manifested itself, what I've noticed is a wanton intransigence on the part of feminists. They will not negotiate, they will not compromise, and they won't even bother to try to understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 02:20 PM
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Hence the issue is not female hypergamy but male insecurity. How is this to be remedied? It might depend on your politics. A left-wing solution might propose a classless society in which everyone is equal and no one has any higher status than another. Theoretically, there would not be any hypergamy because there would be no change in status. A right-wing solution might retain capitalism and the class hierarchy, albeit accompanied by traditionalist, religious-based policies which would actively d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 01:02 PM
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Ppl IRL don't typically see that much bitterness in one place. Such ragey. It depends on whether it's politically correct rage or not. I don't think mainstream society is any stranger to bitterness, rage, or hatred, but it just depends on what is media approved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 12:34 PM
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Do you not get that point of my argument? Yes, although I disagree with your claim that RP "creates the shysters." The "shysters" were created long before RP was a twinkle in anyone's eye. RP is not the cause; it's a symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 04:31 PM
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so it's a victim mentality? ok. nothing more than 3rd wave feminism. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's obvious that you can't just have a discussion without constant rejoinders and counter-punching. I have a feeling that you couldn't even have a discussion about the weather without starting an argument about it. In any case, I don't see any point in continuing with you on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 03:14 AM
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Easy, we change how society, which is not so easy. Supposedly, the RP is working to make "better men," but they seem to produce more shysters. This is a problem. I agree that it's difficult to change society, but it's been done before. I think RP's philosophy is more about trying to survive in a society replete with shysters. It doesn't mean you have to become a shyster yourself, but it doesn't hurt to at least understand the ways and means of shysters. If you are of the belief that the only way…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:25 PM
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So in this case, why are we trying to put the onus on the person who can't say no rather than working with the shyster to not be a shyster? they call that victim-blaming. How do you work with the shyster to not be a shyster? You've already said that you're against changing the law in this regard, so what are you proposing? What do we do, just ask really really nicely and he might stop? Do you think that would work? I'm not sure which "they" you're referring to when you say "they call that victim…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 09:35 PM
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I never saw Notebook, but I did see Titanic. One point that was mentioned in Titanic was that Rose's mother squandered their family fortune and they were essentially broke. Rose was being pressured by her mother to marry Cal so that they could still keep riding the gravy train. Rose was partly rejecting Cal, since it was probably never her idea to marry him in the first place; but it was also a wholesale rejection and rebellion against her mother and the society of which she was part. If Rose ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 09:08 PM
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I don't say I want the law to protect them. Very well, but if that's the case, I'm not sure of the relevance of your earlier statement that the "law is unfair to everyone." What did you mean by that, if you weren't advocating for changing the law? Is high-pressure salesmen now a euphemism for rapist? You tell me. How about just not be a shitty fast-talking huckster? Like, why do you want to be one of those? I didn't say that I wanted to be one of those, but I was just noting that these kinds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:25 PM
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Did the last 5 paragraph post you read on here "sell" itself to you before took the time to read it? How is it any different? I set up the premise of the video in the first few paragraphs, then asked people to give it a chance. One thing I might say on this point is that, at least in the context of debates and discussions about an issue, I'd prefer to read something rather than watch a video. I can read five paragraphs much faster than it would take to listen to someone speaking the same five pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:08 PM
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Well, we may be getting a bit off track here. If we say that we want the law to protect these alleged women who are too afraid to say "no" when they really want to say "no," then how far does society actually go in advancing this principle? What about high-pressure salesmen who "won't take no for an answer"? What about fast-talking pitchmen, hucksters, and shysters who con people into signing contracts with all that fine print? Should adults be protected from them as well? There are all kinds of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 07:51 PM
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welcome to real life. men and women are different, the law is unfair no matter what it says. Now you're finally getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 06:50 PM
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It depends on which sub-culture you're referring to and what exactly a red piller (or anyone, for that matter) would not understand. There are regional sub-cultures, ethnic sub-cultures, religious sub-cultures, political sub-cultures. There are also urban, suburban, and rural sub-cultures which can vary greatly. I don't think a sub-culture is analogous to a clique or a personality type, which might be more of what you're thinking about. Introverts may have a tough time relating to extroverts, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 06:45 PM
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Yeah, and creeps shouldn't be trying to take advantage of them because of this, right? Sounds good, although many things considered "sacred cows" by capitalists would also have to be done away with. As long as it's consistent, then maybe it might work. But if it's the kind of thing where the rules are different for men than they are for women, then it will probably be fraught with problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 05:32 PM
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So IMO, the so-called feminine indifference to masculine needs blamed for some men's cluelessness, when the real culprit is the indifference of the Apollonian rules-based structure of society to the individual's Dionysian life. So, society is to blame? That may be so, although in our democratic society, if the majority of the electorate is like Dionysus, then they're the ones who are making the rules and applying them in the Apollonian rules-based structure. In RP one often hears justification o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:13 AM
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I disagree. I frequently hear men blame other external circumstances and others for the unsatisfactory outcomes they have in life. Depending on what it is, although in this context, I was speaking more about choices, not outcomes. And as for the disconnect for what women say and what they do well, sometimes telling other people what you think they want to hear is a survival mechanism, a matter of pragmatism. Makes sense, although I've noticed that what people think others want to hear may not al…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 05:07 PM
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I'm denying that all girls want a wealthy man or that they place a high value on money. Of course it doesn't apply to "all," but you were implying that the concept doesn't even exist at all, suggesting that it comes from "another world" that you don't live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 03:33 PM
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sometimes women make not great choices and this is used as "proof" that women cannot think for themselves which avoids the discussion of the poor choices men make The main difference here is that men have always known this and have never denied it. If men make poor choices, they'll readily admit that they were thinking only in terms of lust. Other men understand this, and there isn't a great deal of denial over it. When women make bad choices in men, their typical knee-jerk reaction is to blame …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 03:25 PM
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Maybe in your world where showing off your expensive car and watch is the go to way to attract girls. In my world women will laugh at guys as pathetic as this and wonder who they even want to impress. Maybe so, but would you laugh just as much at the women who fall for these kinds of men? Would you consider them just as pathetic as the men in this example? A lot of people like to flaunt their wealth in this country; it's an integral part of our culture and fully embraced by large segments of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 02:45 PM
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So, my question to american men: what ails you? Whenever mass shootings occur, most of the public debate in the aftermath tends to center around the availability of guns and the deficiencies of the mental health system. The main trouble with the gun control argument is that it's a dead end unless the Second Amendment can be repealed. That isn't likely to happen any time soon. It would probably be politically easier to focus on improving the mental health system and making it more accessible to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 04:05 PM
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a complete social retard. a social fuck-up Well guess what, moron, sometimes you suck. These don't sound like very scientific or objective statements. Those who criticize RP constantly crow about having the complete backing of science, yet this is their idea of "science"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:33 PM
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I'd like to know why redpillers are using SJ concepts like "shaming" in the first place. Shouldn't a true alpha be immune to such "shaming"? Actually, this is a good point. They probably should be immune to "shaming," although I think it might also address an observation and commentary regarding the methods used by society to condition and influence how people think and act. Some people might criticize "political correctness" as a form of shaming. So, there's shaming on top of shaming. Where peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:36 PM
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Do all Red Pillers REALLY believe in this "Triggerpocalypse" of the future where society as we know it entirely demolishes and is replaced with a New World Order, including slaves and forcing men to be gay? I don't put much stock in this "New World Order" talk. It's just the same world order with more advanced weapons with each generation. Perhaps in the long run, the West may still decline, albeit slowly and incrementally. I suppose anything is possible, but there are so many random events at w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:16 PM
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I'm telling you that this is how RP is perceived by the majority of people What people? I don't even believe that the majority of people have even heard of "RP." That's just something that's part of the reddit sub-culture which most people in society probably wouldn't be aware of. I'm not viewing RP from the inside. I'm not RP, and up until about 4 or 5 months ago, I was barely even aware of the "manosphere." I'm viewing it from the outside as well - but from the real outside, not from the insul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:48 PM
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To be fair, TRP has a similar inconsistency. Trp uses "blue pill" to refer both to their self appointed antagonists at the TBP subreddit, and the feminized world at large. I suppose so, although when I look at other sites and subreddits - not just TRP, but also MRA and MGTOW, most of their posts are looking outward - at society at large. They're raising issues that might be worthy of discussion and debate. Personally, I don't really give two shits about all these acronyms, specialized terminolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:38 PM
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RP is not the creator of that phrase I'm just talking about what RP is in general, the idea that "men are men, and women are women." It doesn't matter if RP invented the idea or not; it's the basic underlying principle that I'm looking at here. it's not manliness, it's about hatred of women I don't see it as about "hatred of women." RP continues to be defined in the public's eye As far as I can tell, RP has no definition in the public's eye, since most people have probably never heard of it. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:13 PM
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But do that many people actually pay for this stuff? I can see someone wasting a few bucks on a cheap book, but this guy was talking about courses where people can spend thousands of dollars. That just seems so ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:56 PM
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RP opinions are not held for most people Yes, that's what a lot of people say, but there's too much evidence from popular culture which would indicate that people still largely gravitate towards and identify with traditional sex roles. The RP view is basically the philosophy from any typical Western movie or Mills & Boon romance - which seem to be quite popular. Maybe not the majority, but hardly anything viewed as "extremist." Any time someone says "man up," that's a validation of "RP opinion,"…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:44 PM
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In general, that may be so, although in the context of the debates I see on the topic (here and elsewhere), the view does commonly come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:27 PM
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Feminists believe that society is biased in favor of men (the patriarchy), TRP believes that society is biased in favor of women (pussy pass). Possibly, although my observation has been that feminists tend to look at what society was before they were born. RP looks at society as it is today and how feminism has changed it over the past half-century. The "pussy pass" is related to the idea commonly held by women today in which they insinuate that "because women were oppressed long before most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 06:25 PM
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Are you saying that these three positions are held by blue pillers or red pillers? Are they consistent with these positions? What I'm addressing here are the apparent contradictions and conflicts between viewpoints, specifically questions regarding perceptions of public opinion and public policy. Either women are oppressed or they're not. Either the RP view is completely unpopular, misogynistic, and wrong - or it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:59 PM
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Patriarchy theory is literally a conspiracy theory. Maybe so, but it gets thrown into the overall debate on a regular basis. If that's the ideological basis for their opposition to RP, then perhaps it might be worth looking at.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:42 PM
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I can see that there might be some changes in marriage in the decades to come. I've seen more and more people argue that the State should get out of the marriage business and that marriages should be viewed no differently than any business contract in the eyes of the law. Another thing that might change is the idea that marriage is (or should be) a lifelong commitment. Perhaps temporary marriage contracts might be a thing in the future. As an institution, marriage may not die out, but the idea o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:38 PM
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It was a well-reasoned argument, not built of straw. If it was, you'd be able to quickly dispose of it, but since you haven't, then I guess your accusations here are without merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:59 PM
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I linked to two comments. Which comment are you referring to? EDIT: And I wasn't misrepresenting anything. My point here is that the feminists are misrepresenting their own position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:53 PM
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Alas, where downunderit really goes wrong is when she says that all people apart from those who subscribe to TRP are bluepill. There are lots of countries over the world where the societal mainstream leans far more red than blue. I realize that, although I don't think very many blue pillers understand this. They think the whole world is either feminist or sexist depending on what they're arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:33 PM
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If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky. Maybe so. I've observed that women are a lot more picky when they're younger, when they're at an age when most men desire them. Whether they're libido is high or not may not make any difference, since they can afford to be picky either way. When they get older, it seems to change. Men's sex drive starts to slowly diminish. I heard a comedian once say that "at the age when women's sex drive starts to increase, that's the age when men are dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:36 PM
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When you say "feminists," you're picking a few bad apples and treating it as an entire movement. This is wrong. And yet, it's okay to pick a few bad apples among men and then say "men created this system"? Right...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:13 PM
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How do you know it makes men feel like the superior gender? Where does that come from? Fact is, most men are in the same boat as most women - without power. There are a few men and women at the top who hold most of the political and economic power in this country. The point is, the tide turned because the center of power and public opinion shifted in that direction. Your whole contention here is that women hold no power because men hold all the key positions in society (as if all these men agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 06:17 PM
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I think there are many different facets which make up a person's life. I don't think that one's success or failure can hinge on just one or two factors. I can see some similarities between the idea that "nice guys finish last" and the Problem of Evil (aka "when bad things happen to good people") as a theological concept. If one believes in God, then one might see it as a moral obligation to be "nice" no matter what, since the true "reward" presumably comes in the next life, so one should not exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 05:46 PM
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Most men are not in positions of power either. Most male politicians structure and implement public policies to please women voters, so women are ultimately in power. The current system in the context of the OP and the points made about modern men is almost completely under the control of women. (Even if you wanted to say that men control politics, that still would not cover the culture or social world, which are mostly under female control.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 04:37 PM
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LOL, how do you figure that? Because women have been in power ever since, right? Yeah, no. Actually, yes, they have been in power, since they comprise the majority of the electorate. The government has implemented programs which feminists demanded. The media have been extremely pro-feminist for all this time. You may be in denial, but if you haven't looked at public policy in recent decades, then perhaps maybe you should.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:22 PM
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But women cannot be blamed for a system that was created by men. Then we won't blame women for anything that existed prior to 1960. For everything since then, women have to take the blame. Does that sound fair enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:14 PM
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For me it's just another job. I don't judge people by how they earn money. However, if it's an illegal job (as prostitution is), then it's understandable that some might have misgivings about entering into a relationship. As for your comparisons to being a cook or a hairdresser, I asked a similar question a while back as to whether sex has any real meaning in our culture nowadays. Some people seem to view it as just another recreational activity, just like bowling - at least in terms of how men …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 01:44 PM
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Those ideas can be rejected by non-feminists and feminists alike, often for very different reasons. I can see that RP would be opposed from a religious viewpoint, as well as a feminist viewpoint. However, I have not noticed any Blue Pillers arguing from a religious or traditionalist point of view. But as far as what I can see regarding the BP reaction to RP, it's quite clear that their thought processes have been conditioned and programmed by the feminist ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 06:22 PM
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Can the Blue Pill consider itself the dominant ideology given the massive disparity in subscribers compared to TRP? The Blue Pill ideology is the feminist ideology (regardless of whether they accept the label or not), and I seriously doubt that's the dominant ideology in the world today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 02:19 PM
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6 billion people compared to 120,000 So you're saying 6 billion people in the world are Western feminists? I seriously doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 02:18 PM
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Perhaps, although if your parents stayed together the whole time, that would still be a stabler model than those whose parents broke up and/or married multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:31 PM
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Yes, but there's always going to be slight shades of variation from judge to judge. However, their scores would still be close to each other, just as it might be with attraction. That is, if you took the same women and had different guys rate their SMV, their scores would probably be within a point or two. I doubt that one guy would rate a woman a 9 and some other guy would rate the same woman a 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 04:44 PM
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I don't think there's anything scientific about it. It might be comparable to judges at a diving or gymnastics event. You might see judges with varying scores, "9.1," "9.3," "9.7," but who can say why the scores would be different?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 03:15 PM
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I'd say the bitterness towards marriage comes from insecurity they can't get the girl they want and maintain a healthy relationship like so many others do. You might also consider that, over the past 40-50 years, there have been a lot of children of divorce whose views on marriage may have been colored by their own parents' experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 03:09 PM
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Are insecure women better than secure women? I suppose it depends on what you mean by "better." From what you describe, insecure women would definitely be higher maintenance. Insecure women could also be more susceptible to manipulation by others, which could possibly make them a higher risk for cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 02:56 PM
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What does CMV even mean? Cytomegalovirus
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 05:09 PM
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Jewish people in the US generally vote Democrat. Historically, that may have been true, although that's been changing somewhat in recent decades. There are a lot of Jewish Republicans. It also used to be the case that Catholics generally voted Democratic while Protestants voted Republican, but that's no longer as true as it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 11:06 AM
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Bluepill identifying men, have been raised naturally alpha and therefore have come into sex and healthy relationships much more easily. Hence an inability to understand why people would need Red Pill, or sexual strategy. I suppose it's possible, although I've noticed that the various subreddits in question seem to place a lot of emphasis on whether someone is an alpha or a beta or their relative success in relationships as "reasons" for their respective positions on these issues. What seems more…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 11:00 AM
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So will BP and RP ever come to an understanding? More importantly, will men and women ever come to one? I don't think it's really that bad, not between men and women anyway. RP and BP are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. It's the feminists and their fellow travelers (i.e. women who say they're not feminists) who keep decrying the so-called "war on women" and go on endlessly about "misogyny," "rape culture," "slut shaming," "sexual harassment," and a whole host of other things. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:08 AM
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This made me think of this old Far Side cartoon:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:46 AM
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I think we've hashed out each other's position well enough. We may still disagree in spots, but we seem to agree on a lot of things. Good discussion. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:39 AM
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why do these women get ignored by the men of their desires when it comes to relationships? It could be that the men in question may not want any relationships at all. At least in that sense, if he's not offering a relationship to any woman, then the individual woman doesn't have to feel singled out or denied something that's freely offered to other women. why do men just want to fuck them? Just one of those things, I guess. is it lack of qualities, if so what do they lack? I can't say what's tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:13 AM
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I think as more and more single people make up a larger percentage of the population, it might not be seen so odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 11:30 PM
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Am I a BPer? What does that imply? I didn't say you were a BPer; I just observed something I've seen them do a lot. And you didn't answer my question: How do you know that it's like that in any of these "nice guy" scenarios that keep getting characterized? How do you know the "definition" you've proffered is realistic? On what basis do you make these judgments and outline scenarios which have absolutely nothing to do with any reality I've ever seen or even heard of? I refuse to believe those are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 11:16 PM
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But women do too. Only if they know about it. If they just see some random guy out somewhere and don't know that he's a brilliant scientist or a great musician, then all they'll see is what they'll see. But to illustrate what I mean here, more often than not, I have encountered women who seem to assume that single men must be "lonely" or that they "need a woman" to complete their lives. Men don't typically do this with other men, at least in my experience. But women seem to have this view that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:12 PM
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"Nice guys" and "Beta orbiters" have approached women in a bizarre way, agreeing with everything they say and doing whatever in the hopes of getting laid. Can you say this with absolute certainty in all cases? In fact, how do you know it's like this in any of the cases of "nice guys"? I know it seems to fit the caricature, but it seems so far out of touch with actual reality as to be unbelievable. BPers always accuse RP of unfair generalizations, but I see it from their side all the time. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:45 PM
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Actually, if we're talking about real life experiences - not internet behavior or perceptions fostered by the media - then I would say that men are probably far more sympathetic towards other men than you would give them credit for. At least when it comes to having bad luck with women or a lack of sexual prowess (unless they make no effort at all). They might tease or rib other men in that department, but I don't think it automatically means anything malicious or outright disrespectful. Of cours…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:28 PM
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Basically, TRP says "You're not wrong. Society is a terrible place, here's how you manage this terrible place." I think it's more a matter of looking at certain realities of how nature and society operate. Also, people do get manipulated by this society in numerous ways, and it's not just TRP that says this. The same notion is expressed from both the left and the right. Even feminists talk about how women are manipulated by society (which is why they push issues like "fat acceptance" and "slut s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 08:56 PM
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zion was a part of the matrix I leaned towards that theory as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 07:39 PM
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I meant that most people in this day and age don't agree with TRP views/wouldn't agree with TRP views. When you say "most people," are you just referring to people in America or the world as a whole? As someone else noted in another thread, TRP seems more a reaction against feminism in the Anglosphere and doesn't really apply on a global scale. I've noticed even in this forum that it becomes complicated due to a clash of cultures, such as the men from India or East Asia talking about their diffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 07:06 PM
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I'm saying the ideas of the cock carosel and extreme hypergamy in particular have an appeal because they allow people to rationalize their own lack of success. I think there might be any number of reasons cited for one's lack of success from a RP point of view. Instead of thinking "Maybe I've been going for the wrong women/scared to make a move/bad at reading signals", these concepts allow men to delude themselves that they in fact share this lack of success with 80% of men in existence. Well, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 06:24 PM
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No...? I don't think any Blue Pillers think that, BP is a satire sub, not actual rebuttals to TRP. I think Red Pillers have a warped view of reality and don't have much common sense, but I don't think BP is the actual red pill. I see your point, although if you say Red Pillers have a warped view of reality, doesn't that imply that you believe that your view of reality is the correct one?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:16 PM
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Can you provide some examples of remaining strong male role models in society, and how we might formulate these for the future generation? I'm not sure if there are any remaining, but I think if you compare the ideals of manhood from previous eras with today, there would be noticeable differences. The easiest examples might be from popular culture - compare leading men of the 1950s with leading men of today. Or perhaps a more illustrative example might be to compare William Shatner's portrayal o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:12 PM
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I agree, but I see it quite a bit. Some people base their life around their favorite rock band. Or their favorite book. I encounter a lot of people who try to push some book saying that "it changed their life."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:30 AM
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I see that these various factions have similar perceptions about society, men, and feminism, yet they also seem sharply divided over what they see as the "solution" to the problem. I see a lot of infighting and back-biting going on. They seem disorganized, raw, and full of angst. Men have a need to be men, and sometimes men roar. Men understand this. Women don't. That's what all the arguing is about. I'm somewhat new to the "manosphere" myself, although despite its obvious problems, there might …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:12 AM
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Are women really that obsessed with men's money? I think obsession with money is part of the larger culture in which we live, and it's affected men and women equally. It may not be about the "money" per se, but more about "status symbols" and "keeping up with the Joneses." Naturally, this phenomenon will spill over into the world of dating and relationships, although it wouldn't mean that everyone has the same view. Whether it affects "most" people or whether only the outliers are the ones who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 03:30 AM
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I think this especially applies to TRP, which is clearly inspired by the PUA community. Yes, I've since learned that there are differences among various groups, TRP, PUA, MRA, MGTOW. It seems like a rather complicated bowl of alphabet soup, although they all seem to relate vicariously to the same basic perceptions and worldview. I think that "pick up artists" have existed forever, in one form or another. They've been a mainstay in popular culture since before "Fonzie" was invented. His view was …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 02:54 AM
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Thanks for the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 01:10 AM
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I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but I notice that you haven't disagreed with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 01:01 AM
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I'm not exactly sure if there's a point you're trying to make here, but I don't think that a lack of knowledge regarding Mary P. Koss should be interpreted as a sign of severe neurological damage or laziness on par with most lichen. Just because someone didn't major in women's studies doesn't make them completely ignorant about feminism or its impact on society overall. We live here for Pete's sake; do you think we can't see what's going on around us? If there are feminists protesting war crimes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 09:04 PM
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Yes, I can see your point and accept it on a surface level. I was just wondering if anyone saw anything more in it. One might view "reality" as encompassing everything, yet in this context, it only covers a few key aspects of human existence, not everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 08:07 PM
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people who learned all they know about feminism from anti-feminist circlejerks, That's a bit hard to swallow, though, since anyone born after 1960 would have gotten full exposure to feminism in their schools, in their jobs, in the mainstream media. One would have to live in some truly isolated backwater to not have a sufficient exposure to the feminist ideology to make reasonable judgments. Of course, I've noticed some blue pillers who like to pitch their women's studies degree and impress us wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:53 PM
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I don't care for the terminology myself, since I think it makes it rife for misunderstanding and misuse, but whatever, here we are. Yes, I'm kind of thinking along the same lines, although I don't really have a huge problem with it either. It is kind of interesting that Red Pill is being applied to a philosophical position about dating, relationships, and gender issues, although I suppose it could conceivably apply to just about anything, as you say. In some ways, I'm kind of surprised that soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 07:41 PM
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There are many who do care, yes. There are also many who don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trashing the system entirely, and I do give a lot of credit and praise to those who truly care and bust their butts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:40 PM
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That's certainly overstating it. Well, at least in the context of the film, it shows the Zion freedom fighters in a death struggle for their lives, taking enormous risks, suffering hardships, and even making the ultimate sacrifice to free humanity from bondage. Taking the Blue Pill is, by far, the much easier life. What's really sad about blue pillers is that so few of them are able to explain themselves without empty sarcasm or trolling. Yes, I've definitely noticed that aspect of the blue pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:05 PM
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Already have, thank you. What are your thoughts on the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:58 PM
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Eh, TRP clearly is a tiny minority though. Less than a quarter of a percent of men, and that is being generous, are followers of TRP. It's hard to say what the percentage is, depending on how one defines a "follower of TRP." One can still believe in the basic principles without using the terminology or subscribing to a particular subreddit. Still, even if it was just a tiny minority, I don't see how it constitutes any sort of argument against principle. It just makes it look like BPers are going…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:57 PM
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Back in the day, The Who was also a popular band whose songs often depicted the struggles of young men, and they seem to lean more Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:46 PM
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It's an acquired taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:35 PM
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Perhaps, although I get the sense TBP tends to view itself as the view of the establishment or the voice of authority, whereas TRP seems more dissident and maverick. TBP constantly paints TRP as being "unpopular" or just a tiny minority, which makes it look like TBP only takes the position they do because they see theirs as the view of the majority and society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:33 PM
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no we don't. even if you're homeless, you're not living in a jungle, or by jungle law. You're taking it too literally. how so? Because the OP is in regard to women despising weak or low status males, and a lot of people respond that it's just "nature at work" and that we all just have to accept it. The only trouble with that, if we see how "nature takes its course" in the form of RP or similar perceptions, those same people suddenly abandon those principles of natural law and say that it's horri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:22 PM
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Narcissism 1.3 Machiavellianism 2.6 Psychopathy 1.6 Whenever I see this "Dark Triad" talk, it makes me think of Darth Vader and the Evil Emperor - "You don't know the POWER of the Dark Side."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:12 PM
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So yeah, grinds my gears when women talk about emotional abuse and even go as far to say it's as bad as physical. Both can be bad, though. I wouldn't underestimate the emotional aspects, though. Physical injury is bad, but if it was physical injury due to an accident or some mishap not due to anyone's intention or malice, then that may be different than if someone maliciously and intentionally tried to hurt you. In both cases, the physical pain might be identical, but the emotional pain of the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:55 PM
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I think abuse can come in different forms, whether it's physical abuse, verbal abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, or just an abuse of power - which seems to be the underlying element in all abuse. Abuse can also be associated with neglect. If the parent is a drunk or a druggie and there's no food in the house, the place is unsanitary, or they're just not able to handle life, then the kids are going to suffer even if they aren't beaten or raped. I suppose it's a judgment call and it might larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:49 PM
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Another one I forgot which is more RP is the Grateful Dead's "Hell in a Bucket": https://youtu.be/cH7I6ibA-SM Another song that might be RP is also on that same album by the Dead, "Throwing Stones" - although it's probably more political in its scope. Lyrics https://youtu.be/NFSSqCxXpGg *Shipping powders back and forth, singing black goes south and white comes north. In a whole world full of petty wars, singing I got mine and you got yours.* I suppose the BP counterpart to "Throwing Stones" woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:04 PM
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RP = Like a Rolling Stone by Bob Dylan One of my favorite tunes, and I agree that it definitely has a certain RP viewpoint. "Positively 4th Street" is another one along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 02:47 PM
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"Travellin' Man" That song title reminded me of another song by Bob Seger, which is a story about a guy who moves around a lot and doesn't really stick around in relationships for very long. Women have come, women have gone, Everyone tryin' to cage me. Some were so sweet, I barely got free, Others, they only enraged me. Sometimes at night, I see their faces, I feel the traces they left on my soul. Those are the memories that made me a wealthy soul. It's interesting that this song is paired up wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 02:34 PM
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if we lived in a jungle that would be the law I would conform to. In some ways, we still do. But the laws of nature also involve cause and effect - and there's no such thing as "morality" or "human rights" when it comes to how cruel nature can actually be. I just thought there was a bit of irony in what you said, especially in the context of this thread and the overall subject matter of this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 01:58 PM
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this is a dating site with a large majority of the users being men That seems to be true for most dating sites I've seen, but that in and of itself is quite telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:58 PM
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Nature sure is cruel, innit? Yes, in more ways than one. Are you saying that you support the law of the jungle?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:20 PM
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do you really think that they manage to keep up these kinds of jobs while being repulsed by half (or often more than half) of the people they help? Actually, you might be surprised at the number of people in social services who are judgmental, cynical, or otherwise burned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:06 PM
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So moderate Red Pillers, what is your motivation for being here? I'm just a regular guy who was born and raised in this country, and I believe that men have a right to state their point of view. For the longest time, I didn't really take much of an interest in gender-related issues. My interest was rekindled when I started seeing feminists bashing "nice guys" and even coming up with their own creatively bizarre definitions for such. Most of the time I would generally just roll my eyes at a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 02:27 PM
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does this shit sound healthy to you? Do these quotes constitute a "view of humanity" or are they just a bunch of one-liners out of context?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 10:08 PM
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I got a 67/100
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:49 AM
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I don't know if it's a matter of a strong sex drive as much as it has to do with being able to conform to society's norms and peer pressures to find "acceptance." It's just that the culture has been highly oversexualized for decades while leaving certain segments of the population feeling excluded. Add to that further cultural pressures to have casual sex (or else be seen as some "loser," "incel," "virgin," etc.), as well as potential family pressures to get married and have kids, along with soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 11:33 AM
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What you're describing is probably something analogous to the Mongol Empire, which quickly grew and formed the most powerful fighting force on the planet. It imploded because the Khan's sons and grandsons couldn't share and fought over their inheritance to the point where the whole empire collapsed in a relatively short time. Another thing to consider is that there have been plenty of tough alpha leaders/kings in history who had rather sickly, weak, and/or wimpy offspring. The fall of the Romano…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:55 AM
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It's unfair how men are constantly getting accused of sexual harassment for saying things women easily get away with. What I've noticed is that women don't like it if a man just casually calls them "honey" or "sweetie," yet I hear women use that with men quite a lot. I honestly think it's a bit of an overreaction for women to go ballistic just because someone calls them "honey." Things like that always struck me as unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:36 PM
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The word "cuckold" derives from the same root as "cuckoo" - from Old French cucuault, from cucu ‘cuckoo’ (from the cuckoo's habit of laying its egg in another bird's nest). (source: Google) If that's the case, then if we call the male in such a relationship a "cuckold," does that mean the female is a "cuckoo"? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:26 PM
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I'm pretty shocked that everyone is accusing me of being a troll. I don't know why people are being so hostile. I thought this was important to share, but I guess not. It doesn't matter to me. It's your story, and only you know whether it's really true or not. Other people will believe whatever they want to believe. If your story is true, it wouldn't surprise me that much. A lot of what people identify as "vile" and "hateful" is the kind of stuff one would see in a 1950s cowboy movie. In fact, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 08:20 PM
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Well maybe it's a different type of "respect." I can see what you're getting at. You might be seeing her as presumptuous to view you in that way; or that she may be misjudging your character to think that you would fulfill some role of "confessor" in her life. I can see where it can be viewed as disrespectful in that sense. It's hard to say without knowing more about the individual in question. Was she seeking absolution? Was she asking for advice on how to deal with a personal problem? .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:01 PM
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Still, even then, there are other things she could probably do, like part-time clerical work with a higher hourly wage but fewer hours. It does seem like a waste of educational resources. Someone else could have taken her seat in law school and might have actually done something with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:37 PM
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Who is attracted by confidence? Everybody! Everybody? I tend to doubt that. Maybe it's true for women, but a lot of men have more variable standards. Personally, I find that many people (both men and women) are more overconfident and far too arrogant for their own good - a trait which I find to be extremely irritating and off-putting. If there are people who find that attractive, then that says more about them than it does about anyone perceived as "confident." What's money for in our society? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:25 PM
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Is "respect" the word you're looking for here? A woman might view a man in the same sense as she views a confessor or a priest. She'll confide in someone because she needs to tell someone, yet it has to be someone who isn't going to blab or maliciously use the secret against her later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:33 PM
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/r/badhistory[1] is calling. For me, it's not "history." I lived through it. Seriously though, women, in the past, were relegated to being 2nd class citizens. Not this again. They were never "second class citizens," unless you want to cite the exact phrase in the US Constitution which says this. Talk about "bad history." Sheesh! This was never about dating, but about simple things, such as the right to vote, or, for example, the right to not have your husband be in entire control of your life. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:16 PM
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Why is it acceptable for TBP to talk about how disposable and pathetic sperm are but the TRP equivalent is hate speech? Because TBP is filled with hypocrites. Any objective observer could see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:50 PM
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Feminism isn't a dating strategy. Feminism came about because women had trouble with men, just as you say about young men who have trouble with women. Feminism started off as a plea from women to men, so that men would understand, feel empathy for the women in their lives, and do all that they could to make them equal in this society. Purely out of love and compassion, men heard their plea and helped women to flourish and succeed. Yet now that men need the help of women, women are saying "fuck o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:42 PM
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The cartoon in your link seems to emphasize shame and guilt as primary reasons for women feeling reluctant to report these crimes. Where do you think that shame and guilt comes from? I'll bet you think it's all the men's fault. However, considering the behavior of BPers, other feminist types, and women in general, it's not difficult to figure out where a lot of this shame and guilt comes from. They constantly make fun of people and mock them saying things like "Did I hurt your widdle fee-fees?" …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:33 PM
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The only part of your view that I'll challenge is your use of the word "forgetting." Western men have not forgotten, especially since we're the only group in the world that people can claim we "suck" without any repercussions. We're reminded just how bad we are on a daily basis - and this has been going on for as long as I can remember. This is the main reason why I consider most criticisms against TRP to be disingenuous, because it's same political establishment which has been propagating anti-…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:13 PM
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young men who have trouble with women If feminism was truthful and worth its salt, there would be far fewer "young men who have trouble with women." Women have to take some responsibility here; they can't just pin it all on the men (unless you're making some tacit admission that women don't really want equality).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:01 PM
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Women don't dictate behavior to men. Remember that males are the dominant gender in our species. They dictate how society is run. That's not been true since the 1950s. But even then, women are the ones who choose which man they're going to be with. Except in criminal cases of rape, women are not forced to accept any man they don't want, nor is there any such thing as arranged marriages anymore. Therefore, women are the ones making the choices to reward bad behavior in men while punishing good be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:48 PM
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It depends on what aspect of society you're talking about. From a more traditional societal viewpoint, the female "slut" would probably be of lower status. The "incel" always has the hope and the option of changing his situation for the better, whereas some might see the "slut" as past the point of no return.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:32 AM
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This is why men hide their emotions. They can't "open up" because women will crucify them for it. Yeah, but as I recall from the series, Gannicus was crucified for his role in the rebellion. I actually preferred the original with Kirk Douglas to this monstrosity. It was kind of interesting in the later parts where the slaves were in revolt under Spartacus' command, and the women were trying to size up which of the men had higher status in the pecking order. It's been a while since I've seen it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:17 AM
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If he's making a long-term commitment to bowl with her and no one else, then he's no longer bowling with other people, only her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:04 AM
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Do you think that there are a lot of women in society with low self esteem and mental health issues that would fit the profile outlined by TRP? That is, would it be a high enough number for a reasonable observer to regard as "widespread"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:28 AM
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I think it would largely depend on the reasoning. Setting aside any religious views on fornication or promiscuity, is such a man making a moral judgment that "promiscuity is wrong" in general? Or is it that he just doesn't want a long-term partner who is promiscuous without necessarily passing any overt "moral judgment"? If a man is an avid bowler, yet decides that he wants a long-term relationship with a woman who is a non-bowler, does that make him a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:10 AM
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I still think that it's hypocritical, and a longstanding societal ideal, that it's okay for men to be promiscuous and attractive for women to be chaste. I don't think it was ever really "okay" for men to be promiscuous, not on a societal level. It was just that men were more easily forgiven of such transgressions. Just as women who hit men are more easily forgiven. But that doesn't make it "okay."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:00 AM
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she's pissed at him that she has to work for minimum wage in a liquor store Just out of idle curiosity, why is she working for a minimum wage in a liquor store when she has a law degree and passed the bar?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:34 AM
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Did I say that it surprised me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:21 AM
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I suppose what I was getting at was whether these women would be viewed just as negatively or vehemently as TRP is viewed from the BP perspective. Even if you don't interact with them. I'm assuming most BPers don't socialize with or interact with RPers, yet BPers still have strong opinions about RPers nonetheless. I'm just wondering if those strong opinions would extend to the women who fit the particular profile outlined by RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:53 PM
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The "source" in this case would probably be something more obvious and more visible to the average person throughout society - not just something that could only be found on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:46 PM
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For example, better to go after drug dealers than drug users. Yes, but even then, if you go after the small time street dealers, it's still only at the surface level. It's the big-time suppliers and cartels that would need to be addressed. If you arrest one dealer, there's ten others waiting in the wings to take his place, along with a ready-made market.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:57 PM
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not from the rational perspective that one vote never or rarely changed an election. only if your voting or not voting would influence enough people to change things, would your not voting be irrational. Why should it matter if one vote changes an election? I've seen this idea expressed a lot, and it seems to be reflective of the aforementioned narcissism we were discussing. It's like people feel that their single vote is so special and so important that if it doesn't change the election, they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:44 PM
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You don't think that those who reward bed behavior contribute to said behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:29 PM
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Well, of course, I wasn't referring to criminal behavior or something more insidious - nothing would cross the line like that. But the kind of things like you said earlier, "falling for something so transparent." In that type of scenario, we're talking about a woman who did not consent to sex initially, but somehow, the douchebro says or does something that leads the woman to consent to sex. This may be something transparent or some subtle form of manipulation that BPers commonly criticize TRP f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:28 PM
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i agree depending on exactly what you mean by widespread. most people are neither doormats nor sociopaths. By "widespread," I don't necessarily mean "most people." I think it can be generally observed that there is a great deal of narcissism throughout society. Social media has clearly fed into this phenomenon and made quite a healthy profit from the public's own narcissism and vanity. As far as people being "sociopaths," that's a judgment call, depending on how you define it. If you're simply e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:33 PM
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my knee jerk reaction is annoyance that they would fall for something so transparent. Mixed with an equal amount of annoyance at the guy for being a douchebro. Understandable, although I get the strong sense that the BP anger and wrath would be mostly directed at the douchebro, while they might consider the woman who fell for his line more as a "victim." To be consistent with their viewpoint and stated principles, they should be just as angry and wrathful at the women in such scenarios, not vent…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:12 PM
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I criticize people who behave badly. Is that what you are looking for? Not exactly. I was referring more to those who reward, idolize, or otherwise respond positively to bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 04:32 PM
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Well, then, as long as you're consistent about it, then I would say that you're standing by your principles. Of course, I don't think that it would be equitable or consistent to single out TRP as having a monopoly on narcissistic or sociopathic behavior, since such behavior is pretty widespread throughout society. TRP is merely a product of its own environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 04:28 PM
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I'm not talking about direct confrontations, if that's all you're concerned about. But would you criticize the behavior in general if it's the kind of behavior or attitude which would reward or give validation to the TRP position?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 04:06 PM
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I'm not just talking about on Reddit. There is a whole world out there outside of Reddit, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 03:50 PM
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What difference does that make?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 03:35 PM
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but the women themselves are about the same But society itself has changed. Moreover, many of these changes were insisted upon and demanded by these very same women - who, according to you, have not changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 03:09 PM
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When is it useful to prioritize utility over truth? I suppose we can always go back to the ancient question asked by Pilate: "What is truth?" That seems to be the ultimate question. I think TRP has a point in that a lot of people have been raised with a lot of lies and misinformation. One might well ask why TRP even exists at all, rather than fret over whether it's 100% "accurate" or not. Did TRP exist back in the old days "when men were men and women were women"? If not, why not? And if it did,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 11:15 PM
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One way to think of it is, capitalism is more of a complicated system than socialism. Not really. Capitalism came first, and socialism was mainly formulated and developed as a reaction to capitalism. Capitalism in its raw, laissez-faire state didn't actually work out too well, since the workers organized and revolted against it, such as the Revolutions of 1848 and similar revolts, uprisings, and strikes throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. Governments had to make concessions and impleme…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 12:49 AM
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The company's only concern is with the quality of their employees' work. Whatever problems the employee is having at home should stay at home and not interfere with work. If there's a family medical problem, she has the right to take a leave of absence (FMLA). On the other hand, if this company is allowing employees to work from home as a benefit, then there'd have to be something written into their policies. If that's the case, then they're not asking for an "entitlement," but merely requesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:07 PM
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Whether you're making 40K or 80K...would you be interested in dating a woman who made $150K? Would you see her only as a meal ticket, or would you be interested in an actual partnership? It wouldn't be an issue for me, although I can see where it might be a problem for guys in terms of how it might look to their families or peers. That may be a societal thing that has yet to be overcome, since some people might say it looks bad for a man if his wife earns more than he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:58 PM
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You didn't answer the question. Are you saying that it's a reasonable expectation in this day and age for a woman to believe that she will gain commitment from a man if she agrees to casual sex? For the sake of argument, we can define "casual sex" as any sex in which there is no expressed verbal or written promise of commitment. In terms of commitment, wouldn't "yes mean yes"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:58 PM
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But black flairs here don't really align with that. I only picked the black flair because I didn't really seem to align with any of the other available pills here. Since we're approaching Christmas season, maybe they can have candy cane pills. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:48 PM
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Apples to oranges. So, to get back on track: Are you saying that it's a reasonable expectation in this day and age for a woman to believe that she will gain commitment from a man if she agrees to casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:26 PM
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I get what you're saying. As to your workplace example, I'm not sure if that's Machiavellian. I'm no expert on Machiavelli, but a key thing about politics is to make others trust you. The rat at your workplace set himself up so that now, no one will trust him, not even the boss (if he's smart). Of course, there might be exceptions, if he was actually reporting a safety violation or something that could be dangerous to human life. You can't screw around with something like that, even if it means …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:23 PM
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it that were true partner counts would be way higher than even the lie adjust figures that currently exist. you are trying to reframe reality to suit your argument. I wasn't talking about partner counts. I was talking about a phenomenon which exists in our culture and which most adults are aware of. That doesn't mean that most people participate in it (although the stats will invariably be rather fuzzy either way). Many people are very strongly and vocally against the hook-up culture in America,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:01 PM
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if women value commitment more and men value sex more, than if a man gets sex and women does not get commitment, than that's not really equitable. Does that make it wrong or selfish, though? If the man is making an expressed promise of commitment in return for sex (which he has no intention of keeping), then I could see where it's wrong. Still, I can't see how it wouldn't be equitable, unless you're claiming that men want sex more and that sex is of greater value to men than to women. red piller…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 04:34 PM
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The profit motive in the current system is designed for the selfish person who wants more compensation than the actual value of whatever good or service they've provided. For the most part, people have no other choice but to be selfish. In the context of the red pill and how this might apply in the dating world, then one should also ask whether the women are being selfish or selfless in this process. If we're talking about a typical RP scenario where a man picks up a woman and has sex, then both…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 03:35 PM
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It's better to come from a broken home than to live in one. Having come from a broken home myself, I would have much rather lived in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 03:19 PM
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I don't think that answers the point. You're saying that RPers are selfish and use confirmation bias in assuming (wrongly, according to you) that other people are selfish too. But in this society, most people ARE selfish. Very few people actually do anything for free, and our society is structured that it's extremely impractical for anyone to do anything for free. As a result, people have no other real choice: They MUST be selfish or starve.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 03:13 PM
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If you think that most people aren't selfish, then try going to grocery store and tell the manager that you have no money but would like some groceries anyway. See if he/she allows it. Or you could try going to a restaurant and asking for the Free Lunch. Then you'll see whether they're selfish or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:50 PM
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According to the pill identifier, there are 626 different types of red pill, 1534 types of blue pill, 457 types of purple pill, and 19 types of black pill. I sometimes wonder if anyone has ever come into "red pill" thinking that "red" referred to "communism."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 04:06 AM
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has it been 20 years since you've bought a cup of coffee? Why? $1.50 is what it costs for a cup of coffee at QT. I think it's $1.39 at Circle K, although it's been a while since I last checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:08 AM
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If a woman treats all men as potentially dangerous, the way red pillers treat all women as potential cheaters/manipulaters, etc, is that okay with you? Yeah, it's no problem for me. I think women have already been doing that for quite some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:07 AM
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I don't know that women actually have to "be men," but I think it's fair to say that if someone can compete and succeed on an equal, level playing field, then they will have earned respect. Some women might complain that the playing field isn't level - even though the government has tried to make it level. I've seen recent statistics which show that there are far more women in college than men, and there have been programs to actively encourage more female interest in STEM fields. If a woman fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 08:36 PM
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why exactly don't you think women were second class citizens historically? It's because such a position carries the presumption that women are/were a "class," which has never been the case. Just as with men (many of whom were also property and could be thought of as second-class citizens), the status of women has varied widely throughout history and in different nations and cultures. I will agree that in some times and places in history, it has been absolutely horrific for women. But if we're go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 07:52 PM
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What exactly are the criteria? Well, that's the key question, isn't it? I'm wondering if there actually is a criteria - or if it's more a matter of operating on gut instinct. Let's say that someone told a male doctor that I would love to get together with someone in his profession and that man decides to approach me. I reject him and he asks why. I tell him I'm not attracted to him whether he is a doctor or not. He gets mad at me. Why get mad at me? I didn't tell him that I wanted a doctor! Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 07:09 PM
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Okay fair enough. To be honest, in the time I've been in this forum, I've heard "blue pill" and "red pill" used so much, yet I've always been a fan of The Matrix. In that trilogy, the "red pills" were the good guys. But I also believe that if one takes a political stance on something, it probably involves a great deal more than just "taking a pill." That's where this whole "pill" analogy kind of breaks down for me. I can get the symbolism behind it, although I don't take it too literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 06:21 PM
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Do you sympathize with the beta men in their 20s who can't get any female attention? Or, do you sympathize with the "high achieving" women in their 30s who can't hook a man with suitable status? Both? Neither? As a human being, if someone is sad, lonely, or otherwise having a hard time in life, then sure, I'll sympathize. But my sympathy and $1.50 will only buy you a cup of coffee. I suppose it depends largely on what people actually want. Some people (both men and women) might actually prefer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 05:48 PM
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Are there female oriented versions of this? If not, why do you think that is? I suppose if there are female oriented versions, they would be found in the daytime talk shows, magazines with predominantly female readership, along with other media primarily directed at women audiences. Fashion news, entertainment news, celebrity gossip - if they're looking for role models and lifestyles they wish to emulate and aspire to. Just about every fad diet and celebrity-endorsed "beauty secret" that comes o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 04:09 PM
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False equivalency man. No one owes anyone sex or a relationship. That's clear. Whether one owes others honesty and treating them with respect is not so clear. Legally, no. Morally, yes. I think it depends, although using the example of the free market and applying similar laissez faire principles to the "sexual market," there might be some basis for analogy. Although unlike the conventional "free market," the "sexual market" doesn't have any consumer protection laws, no truth-in-advertising, no …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:46 PM
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A bper above advised that as a strategy. I have seen posts which may suggest that men can see a paid escort. But I think the example here was referring to men who just offer money to random women over the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:29 PM
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To me, it doesn't really matter all that much if people mock each other. It seems that it's an eternal constant in political rhetoric and life in general. But I guess the real question is whether there's anything of substance in one's position - beyond just the snark, mocking, etc. Of course, I'll abide by the rules of this subreddit, but when the Blue Pills say that the entire basis for their existence is to mock the Red Pills, then what is the actual "debate" here about, overall?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:16 PM
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I guess the most simplistic moral argument against TRP would be "it's wrong to hurt other people in order to get what you want." As you say, people might disagree on what constitutes "hurt," but as long as one follows the law and obeys the Constitution, then that should satisfy most legal and political concerns. Nobody can 'prove' either of those statements and people are going to agree or disagree with them based on what they believe to be the correct moral belief system. I think it should also…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 02:21 PM
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But yes, other people people might mock you for any beliefs you hold. That's life. Weren't you just complaining about my not being civil? And yet, you're lecturing someone else and saying "that's life"? You like to mock others, but if somebody mocks you, that's a whole different thing. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 01:30 PM
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NAMALT. I defy any straight man to watch a Miss America pageant and point out which of the contestants he thinks is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 01:23 PM
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There has been many times when I rejected a man, he try to convince me with "logic" on why I should be attracted to him. Why do many men do this if they think attraction is just something that is there or not? Well, again, the problem you're pointing out is exactly what I'm addressing in my OP (which you claim is "delusional"). These men probably don't think that attraction is either there or not. TRP might say that, but mainstream society and the conditioning that men go through specifically te…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 01:09 PM
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So you're taking offense at my tone? No, not at all. I'm just saying: Make up your fucking mind. Either this subreddit allows for a snarky tone, in which case it's no holds barred and the let the fur fly. Or you want to invoke rules about "no personal attacks." Either way is fine with me, just pick one and be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:29 PM
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That was actually a serious question followed up by a helpful suggestion. I didn't interpret it as a serious question. Your implication that I knew nothing about history was a deliberate insult, and you know it. There was nothing "helpful" about any of your "suggestions," and your coy attitude about it now is hardly convincing. I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm not TheChemist158. I don't know if you've noticed, but I did not say that you were TheChemist158. She's pretty polite and well-inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 06:33 AM
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For one, your assumption than a man in a room with ten ‘attractive’ women will be attracted to all of them and will want to fuck them. Personal experience says otherwise. I don't recall expressing it as an "absolute blanket statement." Your assumption that women have no logic in who they are attracted to. I don't recall expressing it as an "absolute blanket statement." Your assumption that all NiceGuys are logical in their interactions with women. I don't recall expressing it as an "absolute bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 06:20 AM
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And you're saying that women won't/don't do those things? Many of them don't, and society doesn't really expect them to. That's also related to the anger I see directed at TRP (lots of anger on both sides, despite all the protestations to the contrary). They're angry at TRP because they see TRP as manipulating women, but even if that was the case, it's still somewhat misguided since they seem to be unable or unwilling to recognize and prevent this alleged manipulation when it actually happens. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 05:47 AM
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I don't find your absolute blanket statements at all useful. Which "absolute blanket statements" are you referring to? But it's also nice when people don't take the choices you made in good faith and slap you constantly with them as if it's your fault for making them. Yes, I suppose that would be nice, but you can't have it both ways. This is the internet; people get slapped constantly for all kinds of shit. It's just the culture that we, as a society, have created for ourselves. The problem wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 04:49 AM
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Do you know any history at all? Maybe it's time to crack open a textbook. Look, TheChemist158 (in another thread) just asked me to try to be more civil since personal attacks are against the rules here. I will do my best to follow this rule, but I'm certainly not going to put up with this kind of this supercilious bullshit. If this is the best you can do, then I see no reason to waste any further time on you. I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 04:27 AM
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I would say the issue is that the NiceGuy is faulty in believing that these factors are the only reason a woman would or should go for a guy. Like a woman's attraction is a checklist and if you have each item on the list, of course women would fall all over you. As has been established, attraction isn't logical. If you try and make it a science, you're going to fail. Well, yes, exactly. That's my entire point here. But the entire caricature and contrivance known as the "nice guy" is an attempt t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 04:13 AM
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And the problem is the ones with the most charisma, usually the con artists, are going to be the ones to set the overall tone. Yeah, that's how it goes. We'll be seeing quite a bit more of that over the next year. I suppose the Democrats and Republicans would have more charisma than the average "manosphere" guy, so they're the ones I would be more worried about. Especially in the arena of Youtube, which is ripe for cultures of personality to form. You don't have to do much to gather a following,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 04:07 AM
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Please be a bit more civil. Personal attacks aren't allowed on this sub for good reason. I've seen quite a bit of snark and barb in here from all sides. It's nothing too severe, but I took that to mean that the accepted tone here is slightly feisty. You took some shots at me, and it just seems to be part of the general culture of this subreddit. But I agree, let's start again. So, trying to translate your post into a neutral tone, your argument seems to be that women are completely illogical in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:48 AM
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No. Except when they think just being nice to a woman entitles them to sex with that woman. Sexual attraction doesn't work that way. That seems to be the standard argument, and I accept the truth of the above statements. But where I take issue is in the assumption that they think being nice entitles them to sex. I think it's demeaning to men and makes men seem somewhat monolithic by implying that "even the nice guys have only one thing on their minds." Men are not one-dimensional beings, yet thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 02:30 AM
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if red pill was so normal/typical, red pillers would not have to hide their association with it in public. I wasn't aware that anyone really had to hide. Of course, on any internet forum, most people use screen names or pseudonyms, even if it's just to discuss sports or movies. I wouldn't read too much into it, though. If the government wants to find out who anybody is, I'm sure they have the means to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 01:22 AM
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Debating skills are skills. And like any skill, you need to work to improve it. And if you keep working at it, you might even develop the skills to debate someday. I'm just saying that your writing style (and a common writing style of many reds) bugs me. Are your own personal feelings of any relevance in a debate? Too grandiose, making mountains out of mold hills. It's more to do with your writing style than your topic. Lots of people have their own particular writing style. I don't think your s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:51 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:25 AM
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Well, given that most of them have handled living in a society where they were second class citizens, I think they'll be able to handle living in a society of total equality, y'know? Kind of like how, if you can handle the deep end at a pool, you can probably handle the kiddie end. You have that reversed (again). They were never actually "second class citizens" (at least not the white women and certainly not the aristocratic women), but they've been in the kiddie pool all along. The real questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:17 AM
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The point is, you'll see that they're attractive just the same, even if they may not be your type or you narrow it down to one or two among the group. But in different circumstances, if any one of those women was the only young woman in a group of 80-year-old ladies, then you'd probably choose the younger woman - even if you didn't choose her in the previous scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 10:59 PM
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i said i've never heard red pill level anger/bitterness. To me, I just see it as just another way of saying "Women, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em." Men have been saying stuff like that since time immemorial. TRP may be a bit on the edgy and raucous side, but it's still pretty much the same basic idea and thought process at work. Of course, it doesn't get the Good Feminist Seal of Approval, but who cares what they think anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 10:50 PM
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So if a guy gets really offended,annoyed, or angry because I turn him down for sex, I'm projecting that onto him? Is he explicitly asking for sex and you're turning him down? I tend to reject the notion that a man would react that way, if all he's really looking for is sex. He can get sex anywhere. His anger may be due to feeling some level of emotional investment in a woman, not necessarily being rejected for just sex, but it feel like a deeper rejection in his mind. How is it not logical for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 10:44 PM
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No, see, equality is a right. People deserve that by just existing. It's like the freedom of speech. No, I think you're confused here. Equality is more of a state of being. Freedom of speech is a right. The concept you're searching for has to do with "equality before the law," which I'm not arguing here. So I don't really know what you mean by "deserving", they don't need to "deserve equality" (that would be a privilege), they are, by definition, entitled to it. Okay, but that being the case, ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 09:46 PM
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Yes, I have read some of the articles of which you speak, although I immediately recognized the feminist spiel about "nice guys" as being a load of horse manure right off the bat. It was really when the idea was discussed in another forum I frequent that I read a few of the articles and led me to other issues along the same lines. Feminists are spewing out this "nice guy" doctrine all over the place. But yeah, it's pretty transparent what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 08:28 PM
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I think you're making some extreme generalizations here . Generalizations, perhaps, but not extreme. I don't agree entirely with the premise that "all women are like that," nor am I entirely convinced that it's biological in nature. I think this phenomenon is more cultural and political than it has to do with evolution or nature. How do you know if the nice guy is logical and not creepy ? When I say to someone""I'm not attracted to you" and he becomes angry and insults me, then that's not very r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 08:11 PM
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i'm male. i've worked in blue collar and white collar jobs (construction, industrial sector, i.t., academia). Wait. You've worked in all-male environments and you're saying that you've never heard guys talk negatively about their wives or girlfriends from time to time? You've never heard guys talk about "women's lib" and make politically incorrect jokes about women? Sure, most conversations among men might involve a lot of different subjects - sports, politics, cars...and women. A lot of guys ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 07:05 PM
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You might have noticed that this thread, despite being directed towards blues/feminists, have not gotten any replies from us. It is thus far only a circle jerk of people who agree with you. Your post poorly portrays what we think. That's what I would say about BPers portrayal of TRP or anything else that might disagree with the Holy Grail of feminism. I may come back and respond to these points one by one, but just a few things: If your boyfriend is offended by anything I wrote, then he's free t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 06:34 PM
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Besides your bizarre assumptions being presented as fact (What ideal is feminism supposedly promoting?) They claim to be promoting the ideal of gender equality. Is that some sort of "bizarre assumption" on my part? If feminists (which is not the same thing as women) aren't capable of cooperation and rational thought because they are often anti-TRP, then red pillers (which is not the same thing as men) aren't capable, either, because they are almost exclusively anti-feminist. If TRP is anti-femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 06:09 PM
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Agreed. However, there is something wrong with someone acting irrationally butthurt because I don't want to fuck them. I would suggest the possibility that there might be some other reason such an individual might be "butthurt," not because you don't want to fuck them. That's just something you're projecting on your own based on your own perceptions of men and popular culture. That may not have anything to do with what's going on in the man's mind or the reasons why he's "butthurt." And maybe he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 05:25 PM
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I've seen a lot of BPers in PPD admit that they aren't being logical when they like some dude, but yea it seems feminists in general do hold that position for some reason. The women who act logically when they choose men do exist tho, they are called golddiggers There's no actual rule that says that people must be logical in every choice they make. I just don't get why there has to be any pretense about it, as if people try to justify and pretend that there's some high-level, cerebral "logic" at…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:24 PM
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If women were really as rational and understood cooperation as you say they do, then the feminist response to TRP would be totally different. All TRP is doing is noting observations of women who do not behave according to the ideal propagated by feminists. Instead of going out of their way to defend these "bad women," feminists should be attacking them as well for undermining their ideals and the status of women in society. If feminism was a labor union, then feminists today (in their attacks on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:46 PM
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It's not reflective of how men talk. How would you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 02:32 PM
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Well, the answer is because BP isn't a movement. The movement is actually feminism. BPers are just adherents to that movement. It's clear that TBP is politically motivated and their excuse that it's just a "satire" is a disingenuous smokescreen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 01:38 PM
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I see it similar to inciting a riot or using incendiary propaganda. Inciting a riot is actually a crime under US law. You can actually be sued if your words lead others to commit violence, as what happened to Tom Metzger. If I give a pal a few beers, it's not my fault if he later drives and drives. Bars have been sued when someone drinks and drives and causes an accident. There was a case here where a drunk woman hit a kid on a bicycle. It was determined that she was 60% at fault, the bar was 35…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 01:14 PM
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The bigger point I want to make is that no, I an not responsible for their actions. They are responsible for their actions. No one else. The world is a harsh place. If you do bad don't pin it on anyone but yourself. I'm sorry, but you need to take more responsibility for your actions and the consequences of such. If you deliberately taunt people and they do something violent, then you are just as responsible as they are. If you don't understand that, then you have no understanding of morality or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 01:09 AM
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Call it unfunny or butthurt if you want, fact is the founding of each was very different, and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges. If you're deliberating taunting people who you think are "butthurt," then you're just as responsible for the consequences if something...escalates to an unpleasant level. I'm sure you think it's all a good laugh and a girly-giggle, but you have to take the responsibility for the consequences when they occur. You can't play with fire and not expect that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 12:12 AM
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Why are you getting all worked up about this? I don't really have a huge problem with it; I was just making a clarification. It's not my intention to argue over a dictionary definition. A dictionary doesn't prove that anything is "unnatural" any more than a quote from the Bible proves the existence of God. Please don't throw the fucking dictionary at me. I'll throw it right back at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 08:01 PM
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Have you watched talkshows? They're Garbage. Same with advice columns. They should come with a sign that says "for entertainment purposes only". I know they're garbage, but they're still part of the overall package of propaganda and misinformation that people are fed day in and day out. And then it keeps getting churned around and regurgitated in the magazine articles, blogs, wherever. Just as the song goes: "Rewind the tape and play it again and again and again and again - until your mind is lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 07:51 PM
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Well, I suppose it depends on the genre of movie we're talking about, but it's also from public discussions, talk shows, lectures, advice columns like "Dear Abby." Such views don't derive solely from fiction, but from all around society. Still, if we're talking about the influence of movies, then some might argue that it's the glorification of criminality and violence in movies and video games that might be a factor here. I don't entirely agree with that view, although I wouldn't deny the validi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 07:34 PM
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I don't think I have seen anyone say society of feminism are perfect. Society has plenty of issues. Plenty of things that could be better. But I don't believe it has some overarching agenda to mislead and ruin men. And I don't believe it needs a hard reset. The problem with feminism is that it seemingly operated on the assumption that "patriarchy" had an overarching agenda to mislead and ruin women, when the reality was that society operated better and more efficiently that way. So, feminism was…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 07:18 PM
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I think everyone needs a healthy dose of understanding that their own life experiences do not necessarily line up with everyone else's. Yes, I think this is very true. Just because we haven't seen it in person doesn't mean that it hasn't happened or that it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 07:01 PM
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Some mothers care about their sons; others don't. And if you're a son who resembles an ex-husband your mother hates, then you're probably not in for happy times.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 06:40 PM
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what percentage of the average date rape is a girls fault? what percentage of the average red piller's failure/problems (or this shooter's failure/problems) in life is their fault? what percentage of this shooters crime, or any terrorists crime is their fault? I don't know what the percentage might be. Finding out "whose fault" it is may be one issue (and an important one), but also identify what the problem is and what might be wrong overall may also be important to look at as well. Too often, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 06:34 PM
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The former is natural, the later we call artificial. "Artificial" or "man-made" are common terms, yes. "Unnatural" seems to have a slightly different connotation. It suggests the idea that "man" and "nature" are separate and distinct entities and creates dichotomies such as "man vs. nature." Some might use phrases like "go against nature" or "it violates the laws of nature." What "laws of nature"? Who is defining it religiously except you ? BY DEFINITION any religious viewpoint is "supernatural"…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 04:37 PM
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she was telling me ants building an ant hill, natural, humans building a city, unnatural. That was the day I learned buildings were constructed by demonic entities. Yeah, I know. I've encountered this view quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 01:36 PM
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Is what natural is usually take to mean (thats from the google using the word "natural"). That's an illogical definition, unless one believes that humans are not products of nature. If one believes in God and that humans are spiritual beings which exist above the plants and animals of nature, then I could see it. But since I don't believe in God, I don't agree with a religious definition of "natural."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 01:26 PM
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Maybe their parents should be sent to a camp instead, to teach them proper parenting skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 01:02 PM
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I don't think there's anything that is truly "unnatural." If it's physically possible to do it, then it is natural. With your vaccine example, humans (which are a product of nature) used various natural substances to formulate the vaccine, so therefore the vaccine also becomes "natural." If some supernatural being conjured up a vaccine out of thin air, that would be "unnatural." As far as what is "moral," that's whatever human beings agree it to be - and not everyone agrees, so the question is p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 12:56 PM
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Can RP be applied in a moral manner? Knowledge can be applied either morally or immorally. If a person who knows the stock market well makes more money than a person who knows very little about the stock market, would that be immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 12:30 PM
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The only difference is if you have kids. Then you're basically chained to the person for life. That could also be written into the contract, so even if the marriage contract ends, their obligations to the children would still be spelled out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 05:33 PM
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Perhaps we would rework marriage to be non-monogamous in expectation, or we would make marriages more temporary in expectation I actually think this is probably the way it's going to go. Marriage is pretty much optional anyway. Nobody makes any real commitments for life anymore. Making marriage a temporary contract for a limited time seems to make sense, with all the contingencies written in beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:20 PM
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What is your pill and what is your opinion on sex work? Black pill; sympathetic to red pill but probably more anti blue pill than anything else. I have no problem with sex work in theory, but its reputation for having associations with organized crime seems to give a certain taint to the industry. As businesses go, I don't think their standards and practices would qualify them for the Better Business Bureau. Even where it's legal, there always seems to be a certain veneer of "sleaze" attached to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:01 PM
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Fortunately , we live in a relatively peaceful era compared to the past and hopefully things could improve even more . Most periods in history are "relatively peaceful." The only thing that's kept most powers relatively restrained is the fact that we have nuclear weapons now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:05 PM
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I don't do it myself, although I have known a few guys (when I was much younger) who did it - and they honestly believed that women enjoyed being cat-called. They thought that women would take it as a compliment and feel good about themselves. I'm not sure how they reached that conclusion, although to be sure, there's always been somewhat mixed messages on this. I remember last year there was a video of some woman walking down the street getting "cat-called," but some guys were just saying "good…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:53 PM
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you must be an american? Yes, I live in Arizona.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 02:21 PM
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Like that they're egomaniacs who think they're superior to others No, that's just the women. The men are humble and selfless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:41 AM
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I don't know if it's just because of porn though. From what I understand, a lot of kinks have been practiced for centuries, if not millennia. Perhaps it's also due to various religious inhibitions no longer being as prevalent as they once were, coupled with a more affluent and educated populace with a lot more leisure time and luxury than previous generations enjoyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 02:39 AM
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Nobody cares or thinks about it now Well, I would imagine there are bigger things to worry about these days. It's kind of interesting that it would become the norm. Does every married couple do that? If a couple decided to do it traditionally, with the wife taking the husband's name, would that be considered weird or out of place?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:59 AM
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How long ago? Did it occur gradually, or did women just suddenly stop taking their husband's name all at once?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:49 AM
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So, was it ever a custom in Greece for women to take their husband's name? Or was it always the case where women kept their own name? I think the thing in the US is that it's always been traditional for women to take the surname of the husband, but in recent decades, some feminists have expressed opposition to this practice. So, some keep their own surnames, some hyphenate. I don't see how it would have anything to do with the divorce rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:40 AM
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Not necessarily slobs, but just a different set of priorities. Just not as picky over some things. I get your point about cigars being unhealthy, but I have to admit it was kind of funny to hear the story about having to go to a freezing garage at 1am to smoke cigars. I can easily see something like that. But that's the thing, it's an accommodation he was more than willing to make without a second thought. The perception here (at least from this excerpt from this comedian) seems to be that men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:18 AM
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Do you know men and women in these situations? I could relate a bit to his story about going to his friend's house and having to smoke cigars at 1am in a freezing garage because his wife wouldn't let him smoke cigars in the house. Sometimes I might visit a man's house, and you can always tell if his wife is in charge - usually there's some set of rules and "everything in its place" kind of thing going on. When a guy is single, the only real "rule" for his guests is "you break it, you pay for it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 12:51 AM
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In addition, men are unwilling to fill this role. They don't want it. They want to play video games and watch football. When they come home from work, they don't want to play leader. They want to relax. Well, men have to relax sometime, especially after work. They may not be able to "play leader" in a specific way. Or maybe they were never really taught. A lot of men these days are conditioned to think in terms of "equal partners" and often get a lot of mixed messages and a wide variety of role …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:50 PM
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I still stand by assertion that TRP is a poor way to solve problems. terrible way, actually. Well, again I think it's a matter of one's point of view. I don't think that one should view TRP as one's sole source of information. The internet is a big place, and there's lots of free advice (which is the only advice most people can afford these days). On that subject, it should be noted that Alcoholics Anonymous is also free, as are other 12-step programs. Alcoholics can also get treatment through t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:21 PM
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MRAs are saying the system needs to be fixed. TRP is trying to use the status quo to get laid. Perhaps I should rephrase it then. MRAs say the system needs to be fixed, which means that they still have hope that the system can be fixed. TRP seems to be of the view that the system is beyond hope or that it won't be fixed in our lifetime. So, their view might be that the system is screwed up, but "fuck it, I'm going to get mine anyway." Both might look at the system and see the same thing, yet the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:19 PM
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I agree, although I would think that they would have to do so in the belief that they hold the moral high ground over their "opponent." Since BPers come from a "rainbows and lollipops" view of the world, they seem more likely to engage in doing good that makes them have the feel good "glow" so BPers do the most moral licensing. Strictly speaking, when viewed in the light of day, they wouldn't have that much moral licensing. I'm sure there would be plenty of people in other forums who would call …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 09:54 PM
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Yes, this makes sense, although it's sometimes hard to tell where the "normal" ends and the "radical" begins. I will admit that I am somewhat new to the "manosphere." I've known of its existence, but it's only been in the past few months that I've actually taken time to look through it and gain knowledge of the various points of view. While I've always had a general interest in politics, gender issues were just among many other issues related to foreign and domestic politics. But on some of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 09:15 PM
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Who does the most moral licensing, BP or RP? I'm not sure that either side holds any real moral high ground. I think RP has a more realistic (albeit somewhat more cynical) view in that in this society, it's kind of a dog-eat-dog, take-no-prisoners world out there - and a man's gotta be tough and take charge. BP seems to come more from a "rainbows and lollipops" view of the world, along with a great deal of overbearing self-righteousness and arrogance. There is a certain level of condescension an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 08:51 PM
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I guess what I was getting at was whether this is a new anti-establishment view, with feminism being the current "establishment" as it stands today. Given that it seems to have a lot of appeal among younger men, is this an idea that could pick up steam in the years to come? It was different back in the day when most of the power was held by older men who could grant feminism as an "indulgence" since it really didn't impact on their own personal lives or that of their families. The younger guys w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 08:18 PM
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Most TRP's are usually also MRA's, while most MRA's are not considered red pillers In a lot of ways, I've noticed some tendency to overlap, especially when they criticize and react to feminism as it is commonly manifested nowadays. They also have in common that they're all men trying to navigate the gender political system, although a key difference might be that MRAs are still trying to work within that system, while TRPs are saying "fuck the system."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:46 PM
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Yes, the Hegelian dialectic is always playing itself over and over again. What's your point? I was wondering if TRP was just a rehashing of "the same old idea" or if it's a new and different reaction to the prevailing establishment view. Did you have any thoughts on that topic, or did you just post to say that you have no thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:35 PM
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most people don't equate "not getting laid" with "alcoholic." Oh come on, you're being ridiculous. You know full well that the issues discussed at TRP go way beyond "not getting laid." It was a shit analogy, but if you weren't comparing, which is how I read it, we'll drop it. Well, you were the one who was comparing, and that's part of the problem I see with the entire shtick against TRP in the first place. I drew an analogy which seemed fitting. There are people who might be "socially awkward" …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:00 PM
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my point is that if you're comparing being an alcoholic to being socially awkward with women when you really want to bang them, you're wrong in the head, son. If someone has a problem, then they might seek others for help. I was just using AA as an analogy, I wasn't "comparing" which problem is worse, and neither should you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:03 PM
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TRP is not IRL. The person who MODS AA meetings is fundamentally held accountable by a system that's in place to protect these people who attend AA meetings. Only a person who has never attended an AA meeting would dare use that comparison. "Dare"? They don't have "MODS" at AA meetings. AA's Second Tradition states: "For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern." …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:02 PM
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I thought it was because you were a valley girl. Ah, okay. Different valley. Valley Fever originally came from the San Joaquin Valley, while the "Valley Girl" came from the San Fernando Valley - one of the most vacuous wastelands on the face of the earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:39 PM
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That's because I was reading an article on valley fever just before coming up with this name. What is Valley Fever? 4 million people live in areas where the Valley Fever fungus is prevalent (or "endemic") in the soils. About 80 percent of these people live in southern Arizona, which includes the Phoenix and Tucson metropolitan areas. If you live in an endemic area, you may have had Valley Fever without even knowing it. In some endemic areas, it estimated that as much as half the population has b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:30 PM
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Is Feminism so weak of an ideology that they must control dissent? Yes. But in this case, I think they're talking more about e-mail threats and stalking - not actual disagreement. I don't know what the UN is going to do to help, though. There are already laws against harassment, threats, and stalking. I'm all for free speech and open, public debates where there are no holds barred and everything comes out in the open. But anything beyond that goes in the realm of harassment, threats, stalking - …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:17 PM
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If a man doesn't believe in equal rights and that I am just as strong, smart and capable as him then no I do not want to date him. Does he also have to believe that 2+2=5?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:47 PM
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The first interesting response from a female in this thread I'm not female. I'm sorry, I thought it was an open discussion, not just a question for females. My apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:42 PM
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why do you fundamentally think it's normal or healthy to be asking other frustrated men on the Internet for advice in the very department that has you frustrated to begin with? Why do alcoholics go to AA meetings where they can hear advice from other alcoholics? Maybe they should get their advice from teetotalers. So again, why do you even think it's a good idea in the first place to apply RP philosophy to your life? Why not get advice from the people in YOUR life, like, real people who have had…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:38 PM
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I despise what you are as a female. Am I wrong? I can see where you're coming from to some degree. After all, feminists have expressed their hatred of men and "patriarchy" for the past several decades, so they have to expect some hatred to come back to them eventually. But that may be part of the problem here. I would suggest that you may not despise them simply for being female, but because feminism has built up these unrealistic expectations of women as "strong," "independent," "self-sufficien…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:47 PM
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I do think women do the bulk of the emotional labour in many relationships. I think it's expected of us. Hmmm...Well, the general consensus I see around here is that women hate "male tears" and are repulsed by a man who needs emotional support from a woman. Most of the time, it's the man who has to comfort and support an emotional woman, not the other way around. Even if women do provide emotional support for the men in their lives, then it's only up to those individual men to "pay" for it. It s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:12 PM
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But right/left wing DO NOT DENOTE internationalism or anything else. I would say that nationalism tends to be associated with the right-wing, whereas internationalism tends to be associated with the left-wing. This isn't a hard-and-fast definition - more an observation of how it has panned out over history. Although I'll admit that perceptions on this have changed somewhat since the Cold War and the advent of globalism. They denote whether you are representing the interests of the masses of soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 04:06 PM
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Thats leads to all kinds of weird results... Like saying Stalin was right wing... Or that Barack Obama is a Socialist... Many of the same people you're referring to also say that Hitler was a socialist. At least within the mini-spectrum of the CPSU itself, Stalin was considered on the "right wing" of the party, while Trotsky was on the "left wing." Stalin could be said to be a quasi-nationalist, whereas Trotsky was more of an internationalist. So, it's not completely off the mark to say Stalin w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:32 PM
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Everyone will have their own particular political views, although when one looks at TRP philosophy in its basic form, I don't see any specific political view. That is, I think it's possible for someone to adopt TRP principles in their life without it affecting their overall view on politics. Even men who might be arch enemies and on the opposite ends of the political spectrum might still tend to view the women in their lives in a similar fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 11:22 PM
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You make it sound like a man should always sleep with one eye open. Or be just like Kurt Russell's character in The Thing, when they thought he was a Thing and had him cornered with a bundle of dynamite and a blow torch: "Anyone messes with me and the whole camp goes!" He couldn't let down his guard for a second. It might be kind of stressful to have to go through an entire relationship like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 11:02 PM
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I personally don't think that alphas are necessarily leaders or that betas are necessarily followers. For example , Obama could be considered a beta. We also have to keep in mind that what we see and know about the president is only what he and his handlers want us to see. His public image has to be pleasing to his audience and the electorate, while he may be a different person behind the scenes. Of course, the political reality in American politics is that money is the oil which keeps our polit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 06:25 PM
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Curious about what drives someone to become a red piller while another will never stumble onto a PUA/manosphere community. I think a lot of the basic ideas and principles existed long before the internet or manosphere community. So, it stands to reason that there would be plenty of men who might not ever stumble onto the manosphere community but still be aware of the general concepts. When men talk to other men about women, the same ideas might come up. I don't think it's really a matter of "tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 06:10 PM
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"Beta men are rational and cooperative, alpha men usually act on instincts"/do you agree with this point of view? Not entirely. Alpha men also have to be rational and cooperative in order to function and lead others. I think men in general tend to understand the concept of teamwork and everyone doing their part. In some ways, the alpha may even have to be more rational and cooperative than the betas under his command.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 04:31 PM
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that thing has been nothing but trouble since day 1. yes, torch the fucker than let idiots hide behind it. There is some merit to this view. After all, Abraham Lincoln and many Abolitionists believed the Constitution should be torn up because it allowed for slavery. But it just goes to show that there's nothing all that "new" about many contemporary ideals or political positions. TR and FDR would take one look at a smartphone and shit. they would take one long look at the middle east and cry. bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 03:56 PM
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It's not very feminist if you ask me. Yeah, although I occasionally hear feminists complain that women's sports aren't given as much attention as men's sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 12:50 AM
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Because by paying attention to body language and tone we are better at guessing someones real intention behind what they are saying? The problem with guessing is that most of the time, people guess wrong, and one might have to objectively ask whether this is a truly reliable method of evaluating the merit and veracity of whatever someone is saying. Especially since there are people who are quite adept at lying with their body language and tone just as easily as they can lie with their words. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 06:33 PM
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but we now live in the 21st century. Yes, although I'm not sure how pointing out the obvious is particularly relevant to what I said. Are you saying that because TR and FDR are from the last century, their ideas are no good anymore? The Constitution was written in the 18th century. Should we throw that out, too? Think anyone is going to Stump the Trump? Too soon to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 06:02 PM
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I tend to consider myself a progressive in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt, although FDR also had a lot of strong points and was far more well-versed on geopolitics and economics than any of his successors were. It's probably a bit too early to call the US election, which is still over a year away. We'll have a better idea of which candidates are left standing during next year's primary season.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 03:46 PM
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A lot of people are boring and humorless. I actually think "boring" is in the eye of the beholder. Some people just have different interests. Some think opera is boring, while others find it exciting. Same for a football game - or just about anything for that matter. As for "humorless," I think some people have different styles of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 03:41 AM
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I just take the term "nice guy" as is, while some feminists seem to have created some bizarre definition out of left field which is totally off the wall. I would just consider a nice guy as generally honest, law-abiding, a good citizen, easy-going personality. They may not necessarily be the most socially adept people on earth, and this somehow makes them "creepy" in the eyes of feminists. But the fault of feminists is in taking their own internalized discomfort along with their programming towa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 02:55 AM
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Another faulty assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 09:47 PM
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And those generalizations are built upon faulty assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:59 PM
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The point is to teach you to stop generalizing, stop looking at females as objects that can be wrapped up in boxes of stereotypes with a pretty ribbon on top, not to tell every female individually she is wonderful because no, not every female is wonderful or a good person. But in doing so, entire groups of men also end up being generalized and looked upon as objects (e.g. "nice guys"). There are generalizations which are made from both sides. That doesn't make it right, although I do find it a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 06:47 PM
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I suppose at a basic level, sex is the power to create life, so the quote is not entirely off the mark. On the subject of sex and power, I've been watching "The Tudors" on Netflix recently, and it's somewhat interesting to examine the idea of sex and power by following the story of Henry VIII. Here's a guy who was born into power, yet had to grab even more power by snubbing and defying an even greater power (the Church of Rome) - just because he wanted to divorce his wife and marry someone else.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 06:23 PM
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Where TRP loses me and most people is the women bashing. I think it might be justified as a compensation for the excessive praising of women in mainstream society at large. You can't criticize a woman without being accused of "misogyny," and this creates a heavily skewed picture which creates the image of women being these infinitely wise saints who are capable of doing no wrong whatsoever. The whole feminist shtick on "nice guys" is clearly a propagandistic attempt to create this false image in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 04:19 PM
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explain why SMV should not be correlated with actual value as a human being All human beings have value. All human beings have rights. This is guaranteed by our Constitution and various UN declarations on human rights. Apart from that, any person's "value" is strictly a matter of opinion. But not everyone would view SMV as the sole determinant of a person's intrinsic value. It also depends on the culture and values which create the standard. A culture which values intellect would likely place in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:54 PM
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Yes, I see what you mean, although realistically, it's probably a lot more difficult to go off into the woods now than it was in the 19th century. I know a few people who do that, with some property out in the sticks and wanting to live off the grid. I've seen some MGTOW forums where they try to put forth a more positive, proactive approach, but they still seem outnumbered by those who incessantly snipe and carp, as you say. But it still looks like a work in progress, so maybe in time they'll sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:41 PM
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Do you feel like "that person isn't interested in debating with me" implies that "that person is unable to debate me"? If you're posting at all, then obviously you're "interested" in doing something, if not debating then perhaps just trolling. But if someone expresses opposition to something without really wanting to discuss it or elaborate on their views, that would make me question whether they have the ability to do so. Wait, does that mean that you, too, believe there is a Pussy Cartel? Nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:13 PM
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Do you feel that my disagreeing with your assessment of feminism justifies the claim that I'm just here to attack people? It is when all you do is attack while refusing to discuss any issues in earnest. Though it is interesting how quickly followers of TRP jump to my username as a reason to dismiss me. Might be another case of over-categorical thinking backfiring on them. Well, just as you said in a previous thread, it's sometimes necessary to put it into context - your user name along with your…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:38 PM
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MGTOW is problematic in many ways (not least of which being that it is basically a group of guys who can't hack it in the current SMP), but it certainly isn't any kind of male feminism. I initially thought MGTOW was something akin to going off and being a mountain man and/or "one with nature" kind of thing, just like the movie Jeremiah Johnson. I suppose it could be somewhat related to feminism in the sense that MGTOW are less likely to engage in behaviors which upset or outrage feminists. They'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:18 PM
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If so, could you please help me figure out how to phrase that concern better in the future, so that I can express concern for someone who is clearly delusional and suffering without that concern being interpreted as "shaming"? It is when you've made it clear your only purpose is to attack those who disagree with you (as you did with me a while back). Your user name indicates that you self-identify as a troll and that your attempts at showing "concern" should not be taken as genuine. I seriously …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:51 PM
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This reminds me back when the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal broke and there was a public discussion whether getting a blow job counted as sex. I think most people said that it did, so I think oral would have to be added to the N-count as well. As far as fingering or hand jobs go, I suppose it would depend on whether a cigar was used.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 09:19 PM
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No, I think he's right. I remember that year when people were losing their virginity left and right. I think it was due to an executive order from the Reagan Administration: Everyone gets fucked. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 08:05 PM
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I can see both views. I'm 6'4" and have a pretty big frame, so I've rarely had much reason to feel threatened in most everyday situations (although I live in a state where there's always a chance someone is armed, so always need to keep that in mind). But when I was a kid and much smaller, I would foolishly start fights with the bigger kids who would pummel me. And nobody had any sympathy for me, since I was dumb enough to tangle with them in the first place. I think it's the same with adult men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:50 PM
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Women, on the other hand, don't seem to express the same insecurity. Not anywhere as often. Women might be insecure about other things, though. A lot of women go to plastic surgeons, get breast implants, liposuction and things like that. I've read quite a few horror stories about when some of these procedures go wrong. Yet so many women put themselves at risk because they think it will make them more attractive. Men may be insecure about their penis size, but I don't think they really go to such…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:31 PM
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He probably would have been his era's equivalent of "The Most Interesting Man In The World."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 04:58 PM
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If anything Hypergamy is reduced by modern first world societies, and in pre-industrial societies it tends to be even higher. More is at stake. Interesting point that I agree with. I think the industrial revolution changed the game to quite a degree, as well as other movements which led to governments implementing social programs for the poor and aged, better working conditions, more egalitarianism - moderate reforms to appease the restless masses prone to revolt. Marxists advocated a classless …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 04:39 PM
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OMG Ben Franklin was fuqqqqinnn????!?!?! I've heard Ben Franklin would have been quite the PUA for his time. He spent some time in Paris, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:40 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 02:20 PM
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Are most feminists misogynistic? I don't know that I would call them "misogynistic," although it does seem that if women actually practiced what feminists preached, most of the issues they bring up today would be non-existent. PUA wouldn't exist because women would be too smart and strong-willed to fall for it. TRP wouldn't exist because feminism would have taught them to be more sensible and rational in choosing a mate, not relying on feelings or "tingles." Likewise, whenever men observe a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 02:06 PM
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It's not coincidence that there has been a few posts on TRP about men who have been accused of rape or assault. What I've seen more on this subject is when men are falsely accused of rape or railroaded by the justice system. If a man is proven guilty in a court of law, then he should pay for his crime. But he still has a right to a fair trial and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Sometimes, I think feminists forget this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:59 PM
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Would TRPillers look down on that person's decisions? I had a cousin who was in his mid-20s when he married a 30-year-old woman who had three children from a previous marriage. Of course, it's his business so I never felt like prying or asking the reasons why he married her. She wasn't really attractive either. I can't say I looked down on it, and I assumed that he must have had his reasons and left it at that. I do know that in some branches of my extended family, there is stronger pressure for…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:23 PM
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I think many people might express opinions which would seem unfairly judgmental, although this could be said for just about any group. Sometimes, I think that terms like "real man" get tossed around rather casually and can be fraught with caricatures and extreme oversimplifications. Everyone seems to have their own ideas as to what a "real man" should be. Some people try to dress up their personal judgments and make them seem more clinical, rephrasing "real man" into "normal man," implying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 04:45 PM
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What if anecdotal evidence is at the core of the debate? With the nature of this sub, it's not odd for that to be the case. I think any evidence can be taken into consideration, depending on the actual claim being made. I don't think anecdotal evidence should be rejected outright, but it may only be one piece of evidence and may not be enough to support a given claim. The underlying debate that I see here is more of a philosophical one - a clash of social, political, and cultural values. Because…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:38 PM
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Is TRP filled with a bunch of beta nerds trying to live an "alpha" lifestyle? I can't really say for certain, although why should it even matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 02:23 PM
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Do any of you actually believe any of the Tumblr type stuff that keeps getting associated with TBP? Not necessarily, although I would tend to associate TBP with political feminism as it has been expressed over the past 40-50 years, as well as the US government, political/business establishment and mainstream media which have supported feminist ideals during the same time frame. The typical posturing from TBP and their attacks on TRP look like they're lifted directly from a propaganda script. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 02:16 PM
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how you do deal with the anecdotal evidence on here? I think anecdotal evidence can be valid, depending on what's being claimed. I think it's more a matter of how something is asserted than anything else. This is how conspiracy theorists routinely get into trouble, since they often express their views as absolute truths. They might say "The CIA killed JFK" rather than saying "The CIA may have killed JFK." Just a simple rewording or rephrasing can make all the difference. What's your approach to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 01:39 PM
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I'm on the older side myself. I've been around the block a few times, and I know that things are not always so black-and-white as either BP or RP would portray it. But as a man, I can understand where a lot of the red pill is coming from, and as someone who has been around long enough to see how the debate over feminism and gender has developed over the past several decades, I can understand quite a bit about where the blue pill is coming from. Personally, I think liberals and progressives took …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 09:21 PM
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True, although the impression I got was that the problem at hand went a lot deeper than the rejection of one blow job. I really don't believe that he was upset over just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:23 PM
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Maybe she didn't care, does she have to care everytime her husband wants a blowjob? No, I guess not, but then if she doesn't care, does she have room to talk if he stops caring? Would anyone have any room to talk in criticizing his reaction to a wife that no longer cares for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:11 PM
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if you take the line "Women are inherently less intelligent, less logical, less empathic, more selfish, more sexually driven and less loyal" and replace "Women" with literally any racial or religious demographic, nobody would argue whatsoever that the sentence is tantamount to hate speech. No, hate speech would have to be much stronger than that. I'm reluctant to cite actual examples, but it should suffice to say that hate speech can be really, really bad. I've never been convinced by the idea t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:08 PM
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I know what this is like AND the first day of a period. So don't say women aren't capable of empathy because one woman didn't want to give her husband a blowjob after working HER butt off taking care of his children while on her period. So, they both worked their butts off and were both deserving of a break and some fun time. But as I said, I don't think it was really because of her not wanting to give a blowjob, but he seemed more upset about her attitude - like she just didn't care. And why do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:53 PM
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I don't think this at all. That's why TRP is so bizarre to me - to me, men and woman are both human and consequently have a capacity for shitty behaviour. I think both men and women realize this. The issues discussed in TRP, TBP, or anywhere else for that matter are not exactly new. The perceptions regarding a lack of empathy among women were around long before TRP ever came into existence. An oft-posted video to illustrate the point is a scene from a TV show called "The Talk" where a whole audi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:40 PM
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It's important to be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Isn't it possible that TRP can be defended on the same basis using this exact same argument? Do you think women would actually enjoy the reality of being raped by a 'high value man', as opposed to her own fantasy? Women might fantasise about being 'ravished' - that doesn't actually mean that she wants some dude, no matter his SMV, to force himself on her against her will. If she wills it, it's not rape - but by definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:53 PM
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I hate this argument. Just because they're not literal nazis doesn't mean they arent assholes who have come together to form a hate group. While you may hate the argument, I think it's important to make such distinctions when making casual judgments about what constitutes a "hate group." If anyone wants to make that charge and make it stick, I don't think this should be taken as any small matter. I'll quote the lovely matt mcgorry "when people say save the rain forests, they're not saying fuck a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:10 PM
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Well, that's just silly. There are men all over this community and The Blue Pill and the rest of the real world who think it's hateful. But the fact that such sentiment only matters if men agree says something about how you see the world. Did you know, things can be true even if yucky women think them? The thing is, if someone calls it "hate," they're just stating an opinion. It doesn't become true just because somebody thinks it's true. It's just like when people refer to relatively moderate le…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:34 PM
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What is a mans dilemma? If you have to ask, you'll never understand. Apparently men are incapable of having empathy for women. Possibly, but it's not because men haven't tried. Men have been asking, pleading, begging for eons to be able to understand women and what makes their minds tick. In the absence of any truthful, straight answer from women, men will seek elsewhere for the answers. Being upset that your wife doesn't want to blow you for once on the first day of her period when she has 3 ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:38 PM
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Househusbands are now OK, in the UK at least. Not in the US. Legal political minefield, what a load of manosphere rubbish! get off your MRA high-horse! How over sensitive. Well, whatever, but it still doesn't answer the point. Breathtaking inconsistencies and double standards are what make RP a laughing stock. Actually, what I see are gross mischaracterizations of TRP which are totally off the mark. If you really look at what they're saying and understand it from a male point of view, it's compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:52 PM
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Since I have no idea what a "JAQ attack" is supposed to mean, I don't see how I've resorted to that. I will say that common feminist insinuations that the struggle for women's equality is anywhere near the same ballpark as the struggle against racism and nationalism are totally dishonest, disingenuous, and just flat out wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:42 PM
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People don't think like that at all. The point of TRP is that it is designed to do two things. Make men into dicks and make women who are naive fall for these pretences of "men". Then if this is true, then those who oppose TRP would have to propose one of two possible solutions: Force men to stop being dicks. (close to impossible) Teach women not to be so naive. (possible and doable, if only women would put some effort into it)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:39 PM
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Well, see, my position is that claims of TRP's supposed "inherent misogyny" is overblown. Worst case scenario: TRP brings us back to the 1950s or some other form of "patriarchy." Feminists deride and condemn the past few centuries of Western history, but I honestly can't see how any of the former policies related to "patriarchy" could be seen as "inherently misogynist" or otherwise hateful towards women. It's nowhere near the same ballpark as racism or nationalism, as some dishonest feminists tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:34 PM
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I honestly don't understand how anyone could think TRP is not a hate sub. Then I would suggest that one possible way you could increase your understanding is to study the history and rhetoric of real hate groups which have brought about war, genocide, and terror throughout the world. Do that, and then come back and tell me that TRP is a "hate group."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:27 PM
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Myself and frankly most other people in the world don't share TRP's views about women being inherently 'less' than men - because there's no solid, objective evidence for this claim. It's a belief system which appears to be perched upon some very shaky foundations, so there must be something else holding it all together, right? One thing that you're missing here is that women can't or won't be empathetic enough to try to see the world from a man's point of view. What I see in RP is a lot of men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:23 PM
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You are one of those people who think saying 'I am not racist but...' makes you not racist, aren't you? No. But does this mean that you're one of those people who equate racism and sexism? You think that a white plantation owner's wife was more oppressed than a male black slave was?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:59 PM
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'All women want to be raped by a high value man.' Doesn't sound all too jolly to me. Isn't that the message implied in every Mills and Boon romance novel? Talk about double standards. If TRP says it, it's "misogyny," but if Mills and Boon say it, women think it's wonderful. Do you think that men don't notice these little "discrepancies" in the feminist position?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:55 PM
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Sorry, no. TRP is all about making grand derogatory pronouncements on women as a whole. Or is AWALT not repeated every 5 seconds over there? It's the typical locker room banter which every man has been exposed to at some point in their lives. Men understand it and can grasp the meaning, but women freak out over it and assume the worst. I don't actually believe you can be quite sincere in saying that TRP isn't hateful toward women as a group if you've spent any time on the sub. AWALT. End of disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:53 PM
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Another blue piller linked that thread as well. I think if women were capable of empathy, they'd probably understand the OP's position there a little better. But the fact that women can't or won't understand a man's dilemma is a large part of the reason why red pill exists in the first place. If blue pillers honestly believe that the woman in that relationship is totally blameless and should not bear some measure of responsibility here, then maybe this points up a large part of the problem at ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:49 PM
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-The other ideas can be changed, and have been for the most part. I or anyone I know don't care about earning more than the man. The tall thing will always be there because men tend to be taller so by chance it will remain the norm. Some ideas still have not changed, such as women's expectations of male income (housewives okay, househusbands not okay), women's expectations of men to be the pursuer/initiator in dating, sex, and romance (even though women have turned that process into a legal/poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:38 PM
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spreads harmful ideas about women and dating. Possibly, although I think that can be said of both sides. Obviously, all those "pre-red pill" types who are in their anger phase must have gotten their ideas from somewhere else besides the red pill. Those who say "just be yourself" and give other pithy advice might be just as harmful towards women and dating as anything you could accuse of the red pill, since they're the ones creating all the anger that leads people to the red pill in the first pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:25 PM
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Rather, I don't want to provide for him. Why not? Men have provided for women for countless generations. Are you saying that women can't or won't do the things that men have done without question? If this is true for the majority of women today, doesn't this indicate that feminism has been a failure?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:20 PM
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let us not forget: these ladies have their own money and wouldn't need a so-called beta bucks True, they don't need a "beta bucks," but it seems this study would indicate that that's what they desire just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:22 AM
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He thinks it's that easy for a woman with a newborn or small children to just pack up and leave? I didn't say it was easy. Far from it, but the bottom line is that every adult still has rights and has the freedom to leave. And if they have a newborn or small children, that's all the more reason to leave and get them out of an abusive situation. No, it's not "that easy" to just pack up and leave, but to stay in an abusive relationship doesn't sound like it would be a piece of cake either. If they…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:48 AM
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Sometimes these ideas are said in very extreme language, and frequently it's said that women are inherently/biologically like this. Not everyone on the subreddit has these views, but they're common. Even if they're wrong about women being inherently/biologically like this, that in itself would imply the meaning that "they can't help it" which may sound demeaning, but not necessarily hateful. All that it really means is that they believe women are not equal to men, but that by itself doesn't impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:28 AM
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So, TRP calls itself a "hate group" and TBP is merely reposting that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:12 AM
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But are they actively hurting anything but feelings? Not really. Their advice is being given in a forum that anyone is free not to look at and they aren't forcing women to have relationships with them. That's kind of how I feel about it. If it's in a certain forum or venue and not really going out of their way to harass people, I don't really see what the problem is. As long as it stays within the law - no force, coercion, violence - or anything that might be seen as a "clear and present danger,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:10 AM
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Nobody should ever feel stuck in an abusive relationship. People are always free to leave, file for divorce, or whatever is necessary to protect themselves from abusers. People are always free to make the choices as to who they want to be with and whether or not they want to stay with that person. I don't condone violence or abuse of any kind, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator or victim. I feel the main difference between the red pill and other hate groups is it isn't public. Some hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:06 AM
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It's not as black-and-white as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:28 AM
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I was just curious if his views about women are mostly formed on his relationship with this one woman in particular. I can't speak for BenGunnSilver here, although I think over time, one starts to discern patterns of behavior in enough women to at least influence one's view to some extent. It may not apply to all women, but one might note certain behavior patterns as "red flags," as it were. I would also suggest the possibility that some people may be attracted to certain personality types which…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:25 AM
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To be honest, this was also one of the things that made me turn to the manosphere. It was pretty much the same with me. While they may claim to be "satirizing" TRP, many of the things they say can be considered disparaging towards a significant percentage of the male population, no matter if they're red pill or not. What's ironic is that criticisms of "nice guys," "neckbeard virgins," etc. are all related to personality types which TRP advises men not to be, yet the blue pillers, feminists, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 12:26 AM
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I'm curious, is this woman the primary reason you believe women will always leave/cheat on their partner for a "better" man? I've known women like BenGunnSilver described. They're probably far more prevalent than some people would like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 11:15 PM
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Have you ever known an obese man that was successful with women? Yes, if they're relatively well-off financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 10:54 PM
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The quote could equally be about height- as a woman's height increases, her pool decreases, and vice versa for men. It's just about societies' inground ideas about what a 'normal' couple looks like, ie man is taller, man earns more. It's not to say its what the women actually want for the!selves, just the impression they get from the culture we grew up in. True enough, although at one time in our culture, it was said that, for "normal" couples, a woman's place was in the home, not out having a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 10:35 PM
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So then the statement "women will go for the most attractive men they can" isn't really conveying the message of hypergamy, and how it applies to women and not men? So the statement that I replied to its, as people are pointing out, misleading? I'm not sure that I understand your questions here. I was taking the statement at face value and agreeing with the view that both men and women will pick the one they're most attracted to. But what seems evident is that men and women have different criter…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 10:22 PM
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I really hate how everyone pretends as if they don't know what I'm talking about, and also deliberately deflecting Oh, I know it can be rather annoying, since this kind of "feigned ignorance" is actually a common tactic I've seen. It's like, if you say that "rain is wet," they act like they've never heard of rain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 09:03 PM
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And men wouldn't do this just as much? Sure, men do it as well, but then, few men would actually deny it. I think the difference here is that men don't really care much about status, position, wealth, or the type of car they drive when deciding which women they're most attracted to. Those are much more important deciding factors for women than for men. This seems so patently obvious that I can't believe all these BPers are going out of their way to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:25 PM
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Does PPD accept the basic principle of female Hypergamy? Well, I accept this principle, and I think it's pretty obvious that it exists. Although the study cited seems a bit dated, I can't believe that things have changed that much since then. I suppose the only real question is why. Culturally and politically, both women and men have been conditioned and socialized according to the ideals of egalitarianism, feminism, and gender equality. There is no cultural or political explanation for female h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 07:52 PM
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I've noticed the same hypocrisy as you do. Some might justify these double standards in the sense that oppressed groups commonly seek "solidarity" in which members of these groups are inhibited and discouraged from any public criticism of anyone else within the same oppressed group. They risk ostracism from their own group if they're seen "pissing in their own tent."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:17 PM
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No one's stopping you from doing this. I can't promise it's going to be super successful, but no is stopping you. Also I don't understand what 'rationality' has to do with this. Can you explain? I don't see what needs to be explained. I think the OP's point is pretty clear. If the Red Pill is so offensive to feminists/women/blue pillers, then it seems that the perfect solution is for women to refrain from playing silly games and outmoded rituals (which originated from the patriarchy they despise…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:50 PM
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Women are punished for speaking directly in our society. How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:36 PM
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An overwhelming majority of human beings face heartbreak and adversity without turning to a sexual strategy or toxic life philosophy. Some people turn to drugs or alcohol - or any number of other unhealthy behaviors. At least I would give RP some credit for emphasizing the importance of one's physical health and well-being. Another thing I would note is that I think a lot of the "anger phase" and excessive venting may be partly a delayed reaction and also due to having to suppress and bottle it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:37 AM
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If you're fucked up to begin with, Red Pill isn't the only solution. There's therapy, but as far as I can see that is actively discouraged by various RP subs. Therapy is a crapshoot, even when it's available, affordable, and part of one's insurance plan. And therapy can only deal with an individual's problems, not the underlying societal problems which are at the root. But I take your general point that there are other options available besides Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:57 AM
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I suppose it might depend on what defines "physical attractiveness." I've read somewhere that the first thing someone notices about a person is how they're dressed. At least when I was younger, that was more the thing, where a nerd could be transformed into a stud simply by changing clothes, hairstyle, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 12:47 AM
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Yeah, my mom told me pretty much my entire life (and still insists upon it) that "good men" don't care about looks Perhaps, although when you look at the big picture and society at large, I think it's pretty obvious that men care about looks. Sex sells. More people want to see female beauty pageants than male. More people want to see female cheerleaders than male. Playboy outsells Playgirl by several times. If you look at ratings, viewership, consumer sales, it would indicate that men must care …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 12:28 AM
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the root cause of TRP's anger has to do with being told a lie and believing it's universally true , then finding out it's not like how you thought it was What I've also noticed over the course of my life is that even from non-RP viewpoints (whether feminist, conservative, religious, or whatever), the advice is always stated as a universal truth applying to all. "This is what women like." "This is what women don't like." While they chastise RP for saying "AWALT," it's often the same when people g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 12:11 AM
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Yeah, I meant that she said that at first when she had the miscarriage and left the idea that she might change her mind, yet it's been going on for years. But she hasn't definitively said that she doesn't want a child, so she can't make up her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 04:12 PM
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PS Why do we care about Red Pill, OP? Because you're fucking yourselves and the men and women you meet up ROYALLY. Actually, I think even blue pillers would have to admit that these "fucked up people" (whoever they may be) were likely fucked up before they ever heard of the red pill. There's a lot of things about society which are fucked up, with or without the red pill. I can see where some people would disagree or find it offensive, but seriously, some of this talk about the red pill seems to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 04:07 PM
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I think it may be this thread from a couple days ago What I took from that was that the woman who had the miscarriage said that she didn't want try to have a baby again right away, but she left the idea open that she may want to try again later. So, she's been indecisive and vacillating for years, yet this guy is in his late 30s and getting impatient.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:48 PM
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It's not a question of what I prefer, although since you ask, I do prefer a more civilized peaceful world (if we can keep it). I'm not sure what you mean by "dark enlightenment" either. It's just that the earlier point about alpha males being prone to violence and anger can be observed even in "civilized western society." We in the West might try to shield or insulate ourselves from it and accept the amounts of political spin and justification for what our governments do. But it is what it is. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:31 PM
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Interesting food for thought, but I don't think this even comes close to supporting your supposition about "civilized western society." There's far too much history that can't be mitigated simply by observing a minor lull.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 01:41 PM
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If you were in a new relationship with someone, found out they had slept with almost every other one of their partners with little delay, but wanted to make you wait much longer... knowing little to nothing else about their sexual past/reasoning... would you be ok with that? I've seen scenarios like this before, but I guess the important thing to know is what may be different in this person's life between the "wild phase" and now. At one time, she ostensibly just viewed sex as some casual thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 01:32 PM
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maybe in the criminal world, and prison, not in civilized western society which is the dominant culture. You mean the same civilized society responsible for colonialism, slavery, imperialism, two world wars, and nuclear weapons? You mean that society? You think they're not angry or violent?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:04 PM
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Of course, we'd like both, but pure alphas are really unappealing to us. I might take issue with the way this is written, when you say "we" and "us" as if to suggest your own opinions and feelings apply to all women and suggest that all women have the same desires. This is a common criticism leveled against TRP and the concept of AWALT, yet I see women and feminists do it so often from the opposite viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 11:46 AM
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why would it be dangerous? Because it could make more and more people disconnected from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 08:50 PM
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Do you have any idea how humorless you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:42 PM
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Another way to look at it is that if the AI technology gets good enough, it could totally backfire. There could be a robot revolt and all the sex robots could turn on their owners. Or they could go the other way and become so insanely jealous of any real woman who even talks to their owner. Could be like dealing with the T-X (female Terminator). A sex robot could ultimately be the girlfriend from hell, since it would be a computer which could conceivably tap into your phone, text messages, e-mai…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:35 PM
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the kind of people who now go to sex doll conventions There are sex doll conventions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:55 PM
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Robots will replace human workers in a majority of job positions. This will be mayhem. This will likely be the much bigger problem in the long run. The only human workers may be the engineers and technicians needed to build, program, and service the machines doing most of the other work of society. Of course, this trend will likely see a lot of manufacturing come back to the United States, since companies won't need low-wage overseas workers for much longer. Factories with robot workers would on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:45 PM
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It may not just be sex robots. It's conceivable that VR technology could also get more elaborate, and people might be able to greater immerse themselves in some kind of virtual "world." People would be able to appear however they wish, interacting with other participants, not computers or robots. A lot of people do that already, but the technology could be a lot more elaborate in the future. That could possibly be even more dangerous and threatening than sex robots, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:14 PM
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There was an article linked in the OP's article about that: Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys Dr Richardson, a robot ethicist at De Montfort University in Leicester, wants to raise awareness of the issue and persuade those developing sex robots to rethink how their technology is used. She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical. "We think that the creation of such robots wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:01 PM
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Nobody owes anything to anybody. But one thing to consider is that, whenever women say "you're not entitled," it's almost always in response to something where someone specifically did not ask for any "entitlement." It's such an irrelevant non-sequitur that it makes one wonder if feminists just use a random response generator without even looking at what it is they're addressing. Another thing to consider, at least as far as "entitlements" go, no one is entitled to anything from you either. Apar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:01 PM
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I don't think there's any biological differences when it comes to morality. It's probably more a matter of culture, upbringing, and what society will allow. One could also look at it from a bigger picture, understanding cause-and-effect and how the long-term consequences of one's actions can be deemed moral or immoral. Men might take on a more global perspective, looking at actions objectively and their effect on society, whereas women might look at things on a more personal level - how it affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 12:34 PM
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Any history-making women? Quite a few, but most of them were very well-behaved, contrary to popular feminist notions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 12:07 PM
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Except for Santa Claus. They like Santa Claus, yet he's fat. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:10 PM
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I'm not sure if it's a matter of feminist "hypocrisy," although the examples you cite might be indications that some aspects of gender equality may not resonate entirely across the board as much as feminists might like it to. Despite whatever feminist message and teachings which have inundated society for generations, it seems that significant portions of the female population still gravitates towards symbols and imagery that are hated by feminists (at least those posting to this thread). I supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:57 PM
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I would concede that men were stronger during World War II. Maybe the war itself made men and women tougher, but I've heard it questioned whether today's generations could really muster up the courage and strength that was needed during WW2. I suppose the question could be asked from the opposite view, whether feminism has made women any stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:14 PM
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Yeah, well, the only other person who responded thanked me and said it was a joy to read, while nobody else really gave a shit. I don't even think you even bothered to read it, if you can jump to these kinds of conclusions. You assume too much and rush to hasty judgments, while clearly overestimating your own intelligence and knowledge of current events.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:02 PM
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someone who believes feminism is a man-hating cult hell-bent on ruining society Well, when you find someone who believes that, then have at it. Since this aforementioned "someone" isn't me, I'm not sure what you're on about. But you should at least be honest about where you're coming from. I am being honest. You're the one who clearly has a problem with honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:51 PM
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I'm not sure how any of this has any relevance to this topic or anything that I've said. If you're telling me that it's your practice to disingenuously mischaracterize other people's positions and post about it randomly to go off-topic or hijack threads, then I would say you're showing bad form here. It might be best to just return to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:44 PM
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Aren't you the guy who was telling me a couple days ago that feminism is centrally about hatred of men? No, that's not what I said, but I thought you were bored with that discussion anyway. You want to bring it up again?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:29 PM
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Guys , they are just movies, why take them so seriously ? If you ever have a chance, you might want to browse some of the boards over at the Internet Movie Database IMDb Message Boards Depending on which individual movie you wish to discuss, there are some movies which might generate discussions of gender issues. For example, a relatively minor and unimportant scene in the movie Revenge of the Nerds where one of the nerds deceives a sorority woman into having sex with him is probably the most di…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:26 PM
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If you looked like that growing up then there's no way you would have found TRP. The only problem with this assumption is that just because a man is good-looking, it doesn't automatically mean he would understand female psychology. That's where TRP might be especially instrumental for men regardless of their SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 02:32 PM
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is feminism making women weak? I'm not sure if feminism is the cause, but I would observe that women are generally weaker today than my grandmother's generation was during the Depression or WW2. It's clear that feminism didn't make women any stronger or tougher. When feminists complain of slut-shaming and go on their diatribes against nice guys, they're defending female weakness, which seems counterintuitive to the basic ideals of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 02:10 PM
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I'm not sure if there's any ethical concerns at the moment. But at some point in the future, if AI gets more and more sophisticated and reaches a level of sentience, then it might get to be problematic. I suppose if they made sex robots to be completely realistic, then the AI would act and react just like a typical woman would. And then it might be back to square one for guys that even sex robots turn them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:33 PM
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The way she tried to scam those margaritas "on the house" wasn't cool, and the way they treated that poor waiter was also out of line. Was this like some kind of high school drama class?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:21 PM
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When I first found these forums, I quickly realized that the blue pill was for satirizing the red pill, although my understanding was that this subreddit (PPD) was for the purpose of debate between the pills. So, at least in that context, it would seem a reasonable expectation that there would be some sort of alternative view to counter whatever it is one is opposing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:03 PM
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It's true that a lot of men are confused, but there are also indications that a lot of women are confused about what a "good father" is supposed to be. They're the ones making the choices and then complaining about the "deadbeat dads." If men are supposed to respect a woman's judgment as being so infinitely wise and reliably intuitive, why would they keep making these mistakes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:41 PM
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Still, throwing away pills like that isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstance. She might have her wrongdoings as well, but that was over the line. The fact that he was offended that she later refused to have unprotected sex just speaks more to his bad mindset. Yeah, this type of behavior would indicate that there's definitely trouble in paradise. I agree that they need to sit down and have a serious discussion. It looks like she doesn't really want kids, yet he does, so they may just have …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:33 PM
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What does it say about feminism/social justice, that they have picked up the weapons of their oppressors right after convincing us to throw them down? I recall back in the 1970s when a lot of people were complaining about Affirmative Action being a hypocritical double-standard, the usual counter argument was that the "privileged" group (i.e. "whites" or males) had it so good for so long that there was a need to compensate for that. Back in those days, it might have made sense - with the understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:24 PM
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However, in the studies I listed above, men felt that they shouldn't have to work as hard to get good grades or money in some cases, so they are still expressing the entitled attitude you are describing despite their competitiveness. That may be a growing cultural phenomenon, as there are some who lament the diminishing of the work ethic. People want more money for doing less. Maybe it's generational. Also, in many cases, competition results in one person getting the prize at the expense of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:15 AM
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If gender roles are biological, why do men need to be taught how to engage in courtship? Actually, men are/were taught in how to engage in courtship and following the rules of civilized society. They've been conditioned along those lines for centuries. What men may not have realized was that, as the rules of civilized society have been more and more flouted, many women and men have reverted to a more "biological" pre-civilization state of being. This might be confusing to civilized men who may n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:29 AM
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Should they have kids? Why or why not? Who should be the decider and why? I would think they should decide mutually, but I note that one problem here is that she keeps saying she's not ready to have a child yet but leaves the idea that she might want to try again. But it's been going on for years, and this guy is getting understandably impatient. She either has to shit or get off the pot. Was OP justified to throw out her pills? Was it an "alpha" thing to do? Was her response of refusing sex unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:03 AM
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How? How could "women are incapable of logic, loyalty or empathy" be expressed in such a way to be acceptable to TBP? If you mean by saying something like "SOME women do not demonstrate an ability to think logically and/or do not exhibit loyalty or empathy" then, sure, that's acceptable (at least to me, personally). But that's not just expressed differently; it's an entirely different thing, no? It's close to the same thing, not entirely different. If all it takes is adding the word "some," then…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 08:00 PM
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TBP disagrees with TRP for many other reasons. Like TRP's beliefs that women are incapable of logic, loyalty, empathy, etc. Or that women not only need to be kept in line by a strong "alpha" male, but they actually desire it. The same ideas can be expressed in a different way that would make it acceptable to TBP. The only point of contention might be over the phrase "all women are like that," but TBP should at least admit that some women are like that. Once you get past that, then it's simply a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:44 PM
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I know a few myself, and I know they do exist. But they're quite rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 04:11 PM
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I think TRP cares about personality too. But I think it's fair to say that there are women looking for casual sex with a hot guy without actually wanting to hang out with him at the DMV. And I've seen plenty of TRP men saying that they're interested in relationships or are already in long-term relationships. As far as who dislikes the opposite gender - well, there's enough sin to go around on both sides to cancel each other out. This is what the argument progression looks like, in a nutshell: TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:59 PM
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There's another subreddit called "nice guys" that they constantly make reference to. I don't have a link handy, but perhaps you can search for it. I don't see them make fun of abusive men, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:45 PM
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There are men who visit professional dominatrices and pay for such services. So, sure, there are plenty of men who enjoy it, but there aren't that many women who are into it - other than the professionals. And even for the professionals, it's just a job. Most of them are submissives in their real life relationships. I think the biggest complaint that submissive men have is that there just aren't any real dominant women out there. Either they're solely in it for the money or they're just so ugly/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:41 PM
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The underlying idea is that because men are the oppressor class and women are the oppressed class Yeah, I get that, although this was involving the same observed behavior. It's like this: BP: 2+2 = 4 <--- Acceptable RP: 1+1+1+1 = 4 <---- Misogynist Even as the oppressed class, if women wanted to say "Well, now it's our turn to be shallow and sexist," then even that would be fine as long as they admitted it (even if their "turn" at that ended in the 1980s). But the fact that they adamantly deny i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:31 PM
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If you take the blue pill notion that "women will have sex with men they're attracted to," then yes. If you're making an active effort to make her feel attracted to you, then that would confirm the same basic idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:25 PM
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Blue pill doesn't like abusive men Except when they're attractive. It's the unattractive "nice guy" who is on the blue pill's shit list. They constantly reference another subreddit which specifically makes fun of nice guys, but I've never seen them make fun of or criticize abusive men nearly as much as that. I wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:22 PM
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"Women good, men bad." Then, as no feminist or blue piller has stepped forward to deny this, we'll make this their permanent official position. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:56 AM
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unlimited internet porn I'm sure that "nice guys" existed before the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:24 AM
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Yeah, I kind of got that part, although I was wondering if Blue Pill or Jezebel had any kind of feminist-approved "official" explanation for this blatant inconsistency in their thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 12:08 AM
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Is it BP? Wouldn't this article be a costly admission for BP/feminists to make? If RP says women are shallow and are only attracted to hot guys, they get lambasted as "misogynists." Yet, this article says exactly the same thing and might be considered BP approved? If there's a difference here, perhaps someone would care to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:36 PM
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I agree with what you're saying, except that in the past, it was usually a man outlining the criteria which must be fulfilled if someone wants to marry his daughter. Putting her on a pedestal may be part of that, but as far as what was said/promised by the girl's father, it could be taken literally since no one had any reason not to believe it. But with women setting the criteria with some of the old rules in place while others discarded, it goes into all different directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:21 PM
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As we all know, spewing hate for people on internet forums is pathetic and not particularly cool or Alpha. Why do extremely hate fuelled rants get so many votes on your sub? A lot of threads on hate lately, but again, I think it all has to do with how "hate" is defined. If it's something that advocates illegal or violent activity or otherwise creates a clear and present danger, that would cross the line, in my opinion. But just as they say "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 03:25 PM
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Men have always been up against that notorious Wall. So they assume that money is the panacea. I don't think men really have a "Wall" in the same sense as it's described for women. The male equivalent, I think, might be "the Abyss" that Nietzsche was referring to. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 02:22 PM
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Where is the toxicity in that thread? I didn't see any toxicity in the thread either. Perhaps PPD might have some posts which cross the threshold of toxicity, but this didn't seem like one of those posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 02:14 PM
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I suppose if the "manosphere" can be deemed "misogynistic," then it's only fair that women be held to the same standard. I don't think it really matters either way, although feminism has made a point of calling out "misogynists" as if they think they're doing something important. So, if they want to play that game (rather than discuss issues), then it's only fair that they get called "misandrists." So, rather than a discussion involving any kind of logic or reasoned analysis, it turns into an ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 02:03 PM
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I agree that the "nice guy" as portrayed by feminists is nothing more than a caricature. It was reading some of these ridiculously contrived perceptions about "nice guys" which first got me interested in the "manosphere" to begin with. These "nice guy" articles were so far off base, I started to wonder what other things feminists are wrong about. It's these feminist diatribes against "nice guys" which prove TRP to be correct, and what's really funny is that they don't even realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 01:48 PM
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I've never seen this in real life outside of YouTube videos. I've never seen it in real life either, although I have seen some of those YouTube videos. In fact, I came across quite a few videos which made me wonder if there was some kind of epidemic of violent women out there. Not just violence against men, but women vs. women. Some of it is pretty nasty, at least when women fight other women. Even that seems to be getting more and more common these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 11:01 PM
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We don't "hate" men. Come on now. In this context, I don't think it's necessarily "hatred" in the literal sense, but I think some women might lump all men together just as TRP is often accused of lumping all women together. I think both sides do it to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 10:47 PM
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I think it depends on how 'hate' is defined in this context. There is some rhetoric out there which might seem hateful towards men, although on a personal, individual level, hatred might be more on a case-by-case basis. It may be more of a symbolic or abstract hatred, not necessarily something that literally applies to each and every individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 09:56 PM
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Well I'm a female, so its not like I can really understand all the highly intellectual things you guys say right? Try and keep it simple for me please, so my emotions don't take over and make me cry. I'm just a lonely plate looking for my alfafa... Well, okay, but I thought you were criticizing those "windbags" and "lameos" for not being here for a discussion. What are you here for, may I ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 09:28 PM
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they aren't here for discussion, they are here for vindication Or maybe we're just laughing and making fun, just as the blue pillers claim that's all they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 09:19 PM
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Um, ok? So do you hang out and speak with feminists regularly then? All my life. I was raised by a very staunch feminist, as a matter of fact. (Both my birth mother and step-mother were radical second-wave feminists. My dad knew how to pick 'em.) I'm a true child of the 60s and have always been around feminists and speak to them quite regularly. Oh wait, nevermind. Do you feel like you know what feminism is better than most feminists? Can you at least concede that I probably know as much about f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 07:39 PM
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Unlike you, I am directly exposed to feminist memes, feminist facebook posts, etc. So unlike you, I have "a lifetime of experience" with the things feminists actually say, and can contrast it with the things anti-feminists claim feminists say. "Memes"? "Facebook"? I had a lifetime of experience before those things even existed. But I've also been reading a bit of Facebook and some of these blogs myself. It's not some great secret that only you can know about. I think anyone who has lived in this…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:13 PM
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One could contend that, if ones information about society and feminism came entirely from MRA blogs. How about those who actually live in that society and have a lifetime of experience? Does that count for anything? I'm a feminist. Does that mean I hate men? Not necessarily. But I could just as easily find pro-feminist rhetoric from the past 50 years which is just as hateful towards men as anything you could find in TRP. I'm not really interested in playing tit-for-tat, but it should suffice to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:17 PM
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that all that is somehow not hateful, but that laughing at TRP for saying all that is hateful I think it depends on what one considers "hateful," although to be honest, I see plenty of hate on both sides. Of course, one might consider that men have had to contend with over a half-century of unmitigated hatred from feminism. One might suggest that a backlash was inevitable. The way the blue pillers present their arguments, they make it seem like red pill "hatred" just popped out of nowhere. And n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:33 PM
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You realize that's fiction right? Escapist fantasy? Seriously, that's like me watching a guy get pegged in a porn movie, then loudly yelling from the rooftops "See, girls, it's TRUE!! All men are secretly butt-pirates!! Let's strap 'em on and get to pegging!! They all WANT it!" Of course it's fiction, but there's an entire genre out there which falls into the same basic pattern. Even in mainstream genres, one can find examples all over the place. Even most porn overwhelmingly portrays males in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:08 PM
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TRP is irrelevant. It only exists, with any success, on the internet. Even the redpillers themselves have had posts about "don't talk about redpill IRL" because they know it has no legitimacy outside the echo chamber. It's really just the terminology of the red pill which may give them away, but the same basic principles have been around for generations. The popularity of "50 Shades of Grey" and other such stories showing men in more dominant roles while women favor more submissive roles is proo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:43 PM
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Lithuania. I didn't mention the same because most people on Reddit wouldn't recognize it. I've heard of Lithuania. I suppose it reflects badly on "most people on Reddit" that they can use obscure acronyms, memes and pop culture references and expect everyone to know what it is, while simple questions of basic geography elude them (along with questions of history and politics, for that matter). I did study Russian and Soviet history, and I understand that during the Soviet period, there was a pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 11:54 AM
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Complains about sluts. Tries to fuck everything with a vagina. I don't get this logic. Shouldn't we improve issuesp instead of making them worst What's ironic is that, if feminism was rooted in a consistent set of principles which were practiced judiciously and fairly, then TRP would be completely irrelevant. Thing is, if women were really as strong, smart, and independent as feminism claims, then not only would TRP not work, but much of the entire basis of the manosphere's existence would no lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 11:36 AM
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In my country I can never understand why people say "in my country" without actually saying which country it is. I see this a lot, and it makes me wonder if some people are ashamed of where they come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 11:04 AM
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I think you're exaggerating when you say "subhuman filth," but how is the Red Pill any different towards women than feminism has been towards men or the past 50 years? Don't you think the past 50 years of unanswered feminism finally deserves a response?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 10:45 AM
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I've learned that you can't really expect much intelligent "debate" over the internet. So, it's not surprising that the two "pills" cancel each other out. I suppose the "purple pill" might seek to forge some sort of middle-ground position between the red and blue pills. I don't think the red pill or blue pill positions really are that much different from each other. On some general questions, I've noticed that they just say the same things in different ways. I think the blue pills are just offen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 06:01 PM
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I don't think you actually read any feminist stuff. That is huge. You think wrong. You do realize that the terms "men" and "the patriarchy" are not interchangeable, right? Note my usage of the conjunction "or" in the sentence you quoted. You seem to have an affinity for dodging and deflecting. Have you ever actually answered an argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:33 PM
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In summary: People tend to pursue partners of similar physical attractiveness with men more likely to pursue those out of their league. How would somebody objectively know what "league" they're in? Guys are more likely to request dates, period. Sure, a lot of guys will request dates from seemingly unattainable women since "the worst thing that can happen is that she'll say no" (a common aphorism).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:27 PM
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They don't. Most of the issues that feminists bring up are not blamed on any specific individuals or political factions. They're simply blamed on men in general or on the "patriarchy." And apart from those feminists who also identify as Marxists, I've never heard a feminist ever mention class as a factor in any of these disparities between men and women. It's always just about "men," not specifically the rich men or powerful men who rightfully deserve the blame for all the things feminists compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:12 PM
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It was not "men" who developed STEM. It was the intelligent bunch of men with an aptitude for STEM who were not the at the low or middle end. In other words, they weren't most men. Most of the rest of you were just ordinary workers. Quit claiming what isn't yours to claim. I see. So it's okay for feminists to blame all men for the bad things done by a few men (such as "patriarchy"), but when it comes to good things, suddenly it's only a few men who did it. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 12:40 PM
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I think there's a difference between the victim mentality and sour grapes, which usually doesn't involve others. In contrast victim mentality invariably involves a play for sympathy from others, which is usually successful. The same people who consider it a cardinal sin to "blame the victim" are also purveyors of the victim mentality. The shaming of people who "blame the victim" is an integral component of the victim mentality. I don't see that TRP embraces that particular doctrine. Sour grapes,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:19 PM
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Maybe not, but if they're looking for an LTR, then sooner or later they're going to meet with family or friends eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 06:02 PM
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It may not mean that they're racist themselves. It's possible they might have friends or family members who would make it uncomfortable for them if they dated or married outside their race.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 04:22 PM
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What are some of these western viewpoints and how do they approach it? Mostly from a geopolitical standpoint, I think many of our Cold War policies were incoherent, provocative, and naive. Reagan called the USSR the "evil empire" and practically turned them into some kind of comic book villain. No one denies the atrocities or the brutality of the Soviet regime, but a more logical perception of geopolitics might have worked wonders at shortening the Cold War by decades. The West's view of itself …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 03:28 PM
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I think the media tend to manipulate society in general, not just men. There have been plenty of movies where villains have had a change of heart and become good guys. Darth Vader, the Grinch, Scrooge - it's a common theme throughout movies, TV, literature. Likewise, many people also change in real life, like those who used to be in gangs but have since reformed and work to help the youngsters in their neighborhood stay away from gangs. People grow up, they start to mature and see life from a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 02:27 PM
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Why do most women give bad dating advice? such as: Just be yourself. I think a lot of this kind of homespun "wisdom" comes from a kind of Readers Digest, Dear Abby mentality which has pervaded popular culture and left an indelible mark on the way people approach certain things. It's the kind of advice one would hear on a vacuous TV show like The Brady Bunch, so people hear this stuff and regurgitate it like a mindless parrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 01:45 PM
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In this respect I've always found women to be completely truthful. I'm I alone in this? Is my experience really unusual? Possibly unusual, although I've met women who are frank and truthful. But by and large, women tend to be more vague and non-committal about stating their preferences, but not always deceptive. I've known women who are truthful enough that they'll admit that it's common for women to deceive about things like this. I recall seeing a car commercial a few years back, where it show…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 01:23 PM
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It may be a case of flooding the market. This has been going on for over 20 years, so it's something they would be aware of, familiar with, and understand what's going on. I visited Russia back when it was still the Soviet Union. I'm fluent in the language and understand their history and culture to some degree. They really don't see the world in the same way as the average Westerner, although as I began to understand their point of view better, the typical Western viewpoint became more and more…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 12:49 PM
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Have you ever met, been friends with, or known a man who is a player, or playboy? If so, what do you think made him so attractive to women? Looks? Charm? Charisma? Yeah, I've known quite a few guys that would fall into this category. While their looks would probably be classified as average, one thing they had in common was a certain intuitive insight into how women's minds worked. They somehow knew that all the feminist propaganda was bullshit and disregarded most of the conventional "advice" t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 12:00 PM
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And you consider yourself the final word on history, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 03:35 AM
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Some might argue that we are the products of nature. It isn't anyone's fault that human biology turned out as it did. But I think you're exaggerating this idea that men think/thought that women are only good for sex and that they were disregarded as human beings. Men have always thought highly of women, and that too is part of our history, art, and culture. Countless works of art, statues, love poems/plays from Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece. The point is that women were not disregarded as huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 09:46 PM
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Their mindset is all the same when they go to TRP. Perhaps, although when all these different men from different walks of life all end up angry about the same exact phenomena (which feminists claim are non-existent), then it should tell you something, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 09:04 PM
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Realistically, though, most of these jobs you list would be inaccessible to the majority of the population, male or female. Some crafts and trades might be taught from childhood, so if one's parent was a craftsperson, then that would be one's way into the field. Most people couldn't even read; and going to any kind of school at all was a luxury few people had. Even doctors back then weren't really as thoroughly trained or spent as many years in school as they do now. Just seeing some of the movi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:58 PM
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Because women have never done this to men on a systemized, cruel, inhuman level. Men don't have the history of this ever having happened to them, and in all likelihood, never will. Fair enough, although to be sure, most of these things you mention happened a very, very long time ago. To conflate normal human male urges and desires for sex with ancient historical examples of cruel, inhuman barbarism doesn't really seem to make the case. At least in US history, I don't think there's ever been a ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:35 PM
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What are the hidden truths that only TRP people are seeing? I don't know that they're so much "hidden truths," although what strikes me is how there seems to be an exerted effort to condemn and debunk that which you describe as "relationships 101." To some extent, I think TRP has a point in that society has fed a lot of misinformation to young men that the manosphere may be seeking to correct. I've noticed a lot of their posts talk about lessons learned, to watch out for red flags, and end with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:10 PM
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Can you expound on what kind of jobs are available then, aside from farmhands, merchants and house/kids carer? If I understand the premise of the question, it's 1800 but no patriarchal rules or gender roles. I would take that to mean that women could theoretically do anything that men were doing at the time. They could join a crew of a ship, become a soldier, pirate, pioneer, explorer, settle distant lands, hunt buffalo, get into duels, be a fur trapper, lumberjack - any number of things. Assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:36 PM
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Is that rhetorical? Women in general or feminists? I have no issue with women leading if they are egalitarian and see the stupidity and danger of radicals. There might be a few women who fall into that category, at least as far as being true egalitarians and reject radicalism. They're the unicorns, but they don't seem very well-liked by feminists, since they're seen as traitors. And even the women who identify as non-feminists won't really support them either, since the non-feminist women aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 01:38 PM
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Well, that's all cool, and I commend you for your good works. However, with all due respect, I would suggest that you likely could have accomplished these same things without feminism - as many women did in the time before feminism. They didn't need feminism - all they needed was their own drive, ambition, and initiative, whether it was to help their community, write a book, start a hospital, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 01:08 PM
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The mattress girl, for this example, I think this is a perfect example. Too often, I've seen women refusing to criticize the bad behavior of other women because feminism promotes this idea of "solidarity" among women so that no matter what women do, they're always right. Unless women can muster up the courage to break ranks and actually come out and criticize one of their own, then they don't have what it takes to lead. Not only do they not criticize their own, but they go out of their way to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 12:59 PM
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Without feminism, I'd have ended up marrying a small town guy, having a bunch of babies and relying on said guy for my support, a profoundly losing prospect. Okay, so feminism has helped you personally, but how does it benefit society as a whole? That's what I've noticed in that feminism always looks at things on a personal level but not on a societal level. While I agree that feminism has helped innumerable individual women find themselves and gain greater opportunity (for themselves), I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 12:05 PM
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I just believe people should be free to make their own choices and have equal legal rights. And for the most part, women have had all of these things since my grandmother was a little girl. No woman born in the West after World War II can truthfully claim that they've been "oppressed."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 11:53 AM
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Ah, you see here is where your not understanding something. Feminism supports additive equality, not balancing equality. Meaning, equality is achieved when women gain the benefits that men have, women = men + women, rather than women having the SAME benefits as men, women = men. Is there any way that you can elaborate on this or rephrase what you're trying to say? Feminism might have been more effective if it taught women how to survive in a man's world, not demand the same benefits as men - jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 11:43 AM
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The goal of feminism is not to teach and pass on skills, it's to have the same opportunities. And considering how long women have had these opportunities, they're not doing so badly. But they won't have the opportunities if they don't have the skills. Keep in mind that we're talking leadership capacity, not intellect. Women have had these opportunities for quite some time. They've had the right to vote, the right to own property/business, the right to an education - since at least the 1920s. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 11:37 AM
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Are single mothers subhuman scum 99.99 of the time? No, I wouldn't call them "subhuman scum." Why don't men who don't want children anytime soon either freeze their sperm and have a vasectomy or always use condoms (and wash the contents of the condoms down the sink before disposing of them/wrap condoms and take them with them)? That's a good question. Men have to take some responsibility for their own actions here. I've been hearing a little about that male birth control pill, so maybe that migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:49 AM
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Who taught men what to do with the power that they have always had? And have men really done a good job with the power that they have had? Trial and error. Doing a good job just means survival and continuation. I guess we've done pretty well here in America so far. At least, we're still here after 239 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:04 AM
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If you remove all of that, then I'm pro-TRP. Regarding some of these examples, they may be blurted out in the heat of discussion or if someone is just venting - but they may not literally mean it. Some people just say stuff for shock value, just to provoke a reaction. But I get what you're saying, and I think that some of it may be symptomatic of deeper issues at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 12:04 AM
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What I don't think "works" or matters at all, is all the stuff about how women are children, women are dogs, women are shit, any woman who has slept with more than 2 people is a whore, women over 23 are disgusting (literally no man I know IRL has problems dating women their own age)- like, think that way if you want, but I have no idea why this would actually help you do better with women. Just see them as flawed human beings, like men. I'm not sure that I read TRP the same way. Sure, there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 11:32 PM
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They also say that appearing needy or weak is unattractive, yet some of these musicians pour out their souls, with lamenting ballads where they're lovesick or deeply sad over a broken love affair. Yet, the women just love that stuff. With musicians, it works, yet with the average Joe, it doesn't have the same effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 10:24 PM
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Well, if we're talking about something analogous to a "nice guy" scenario, then the overweight, unattractive, older single mom might have already known the young, attractive man in some capacity. The woman may have cooked him some homemade meals, brought over pies, helped him with his work, listened to him talk about all his problems with other women who screwed him over. Meanwhile, he barely thanks her and doesn't really do anything nice in return. He might have even said something to her like …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:17 PM
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I think it can be the same with either gender, if you're just looking at whoever happens to be in a room at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 03:37 PM
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As a man, I would at least be willing to acknowledge that there are risks out there. Some men are outright dangerous, not just to women but also to other men. Men know all too well about the dangers posed by other men, which is why we built up armies, police forces, and justice systems. And it's also why men kept women sequestered and protected - because men knew the danger out there, even as women angrily protested that "they can take care of themselves!" You don't really see the opposite of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 03:24 PM
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What pisses people off is the systematic approach TRP takes on short-term mating. This is where it goes against common morality. Here is a bunch of dudes that are no natural womanizers that are trying to game the system. Wait, so let me see if I have this straight. The reason why people are pissed off at TRP is because they're not "natural womanizers" and that they're "gaming the system"? And this goes against "common morality"? Whose common morality, the Church? If we're going by their morality…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:25 PM
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When cows get scared, they have a stampede.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:22 PM
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Mark my words, this is the main Achilles' Heel of modern feminism. It's become the exclusive domain of upper class urban white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:48 PM
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Bourgeois feminists have no credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:04 PM
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Compare genders within class strata. Makes more sense mate. Well, that makes it rather convenient and presents a skewed version of history. Anything to avoid criticizing the sacred cows in the upper classes, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:03 PM
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Why/How does the existence of other forms of discrimination negate the oppression of women? I didn't say that it did, but the earlier poster I was responding to suggested that men had "never" been discriminated against, which is patently false.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 02:50 PM
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Men cheat because of a dead bedroom, which is indirectly attributable to female hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 02:47 PM
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It happened when discrimination based on race, religion, ethnicity, and class were legal and more widely accepted. American history has many dark pages which few of us are proud of, but the idea that "men had everything/women had nothing" is so convoluted and inaccurate that it's always been a major flaw in the overall feminist perspective. Feminists fall all over themselves to try to prove that women have been victims all throughout history, yet they have to deny huge chunks of history in order…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:41 AM
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We're talking all women having access to things such as education, employment, property etc and all men not. And upper class women had better access to those things than lower class men. So it's a class issue, not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:35 AM
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Men have never lived under the control of women. They were never denied education, jobs, bank accounts, voting, property, bank loans etc etc Actually, that's happened quite a bit to men over the course of history. The primary issue of contention has always been class, not gender. Feminists always forget this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:27 AM
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how can women continue to live their lives and be motivated to succeed in life if it is in expense of other people and civilization in general ? I don't think they'll look at it that way. What they'll probably do is see the signs of civilization's decline and wonder "What's going wrong with this world?" But they'll never have a clue as to why or what's causing it. They might be like Tsarina Alexandra after the Revolution. After falling from power and facing execution, she wondered aloud: "I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 11:39 PM
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Also , some feminists seem to look down on you even if you say that you want to make your boyfriend a sandwich! Yeah, they do seem down on sandwiches. Maybe they don't like sandwiches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:07 PM
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I'm not Xemnas81, although my view is that I would have no reason to believe or disbelieve a woman who says that. I suppose such a statement might carry a certain loophole in the term "someone special." If there's a new "someone special" coming along every few weeks, then there might be a bit of gray area there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:03 PM
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Will most people in the future prefer their virtual reality, sex bots , artificial wombs and casual sex or will they try to "save" marriage by promoting some traditional values ? I suppose people will do whatever floats their boat. I suppose promoting traditional values might also involve promoting and encouraging marriage. I think what's going on is a lingering fallout which comes from a transitioning from the old "traditional values" to the more modern and "progressive" values of today. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:34 PM
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I don't know you or what you look like, but if there were 3 male classmates who liked you at first, then there must have been something about you that initially attracted them. You also say there was another guy who was interested in you, but then some other girl told him to date someone else? As for the Western idea of what's attractive, even Westerners can't even seem to figure that one out, as fashions and standards keep changing all the time. Do you have any idea what these other girls are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:23 PM
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Yeah, I also wondered how guys could be that easily dissuaded from even talking to another girl. They would have to be some pretty severe rumors.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:00 PM
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I thought the OP's concerns in that thread were valid. Nobody (male or female) wants to feel as if their partner is just "settling" for them. Anyone with an ounce of humanity would understand this and give an honest response, whereas others feel the need to toe the party line no matter what. My sense is that you're correct, a lot of the comments were taking the side of the woman by default, possibly for some unspoken personal reason. Or they could just be toeing the party line without having any…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:37 PM
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It depends on which lies we're talking about. Governments and politicians lie all the time, making empty promises which rarely come to fruition. Most of the time, they're able to get away with it as long as the basic functions of society are still in place. The problems come into play when observations of society itself don't really match the rhetoric. When you see unemployed and homeless on the street, the notion that "America is better off" doesn't really hold true. When there's a world of war…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:29 PM
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I wasn't trolling or anything. It was just a mild rebuke, nothing abusive or inflammatory. I was commenting on some of the infighting I had been seeing, and their rhetoric seemed like it came out of a teenage locker room. So, I wrote something to that effect and then found I was blocked the next time I tried to post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:06 AM
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Return of Kings a fair site to use as an example of red pill thinking? I don't know, but they blocked me after I only posted there once. They appear to be extremely sensitive to even the slightest criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 02:46 AM
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I can definitely see that the male would acquire traits for the continuation of his genes. I can also see that males would kill or drive off competing males, but the male who loses out might still be able to survive and pass on his genes elsewhere. On the other hand, females seem to be more amenable to coexisting with other females where there is only one male. I once saw a documentary covering a particular lion pride in Africa. The male lion would get into fights with other male lions to keep t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 10:00 PM
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The Red Pill itself may be more of a symptom - or maybe a backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 09:11 PM
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Yeah, although I can also understand the view of those who say that it's difficult to prevent it from being emotional at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 08:52 PM
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My step-sister and other women I've known have had problems with excessive online shopping, charging up thousands of dollars on their credit cards. Some people are addicted to the cable shopping channels. Just like some men are porn addicts, there are women who are shop-a-holics, trying to fill some emotional void somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 08:42 PM
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Okay, in that case, I pick B.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 08:18 PM
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Which one is the better cook? Scenario A might work if the man has the right to have a few flings of his own based purely on sex and raw physical attraction. Scenario B could work if the man just enjoys the sex and can find other ways of finding emotional release.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 08:14 PM
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I have not offered, let alone "pushed," any definition. And yes, emotional damages do exist, depending on the circumstances. I don't think that happens much in the business world though, so that's where your analogy breaks down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 07:28 PM
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The difference is, in the business world, there would be provable monetary damages from the breach of contract. It's always a good idea to carefully read over any contract before signing anyway, or have it reviewed by a competent attorney, if necessary. I realize that sex is special to a lot of people, and I'm not judging them. That's why virginity is so prized in a new bride, because our culture has made it that way. But such ideas are being openly challenged and flouted, and all the previous t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 06:58 PM
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Sure, I get all that. I'm just wondering why making such an agreement is even important at all. If a couples commonly made agreements to only to eat pizza with each other and no one else, then a cultural observer might find it curious - especially if eating pizza was normally considered no big deal. "If we get into a relationship, you can sleep with as many guys as you want, but you can only eat pizza with me."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 06:29 PM
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I can understand all this from a biological point of view, but assuming that humans are operating solely on instinctive and biological urges, then promiscuity would be just as natural as anything. There would be no "cheating," per se, but there would be intense competition which would drive males towards fighting/killing other males. The whole idea of "cheating" is more contrived and artificial, since it seems more rooted in our understanding of marriages and contracts. A lot of society's mores …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 06:05 PM
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What if a man decides to go out bowling with a co-worker after work? Would it matter if it's a male or female co-worker? Would it be cheating if he was engaging in any kind of recreational activity with someone other than his wife? Or, if his wife is out of town and he invites some friends over to play Yahtzee, would he be remiss if he forgot to tell his wife about that? Or is it only sex which is the one recreational activity which is put into its own special category?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 04:37 PM
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Money is really just a tool. I can see how it can be linked to freedom, as having more money means having more options and opportunity. But having more money doesn't mean one has more love. One might be able to buy the illusion of love with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 04:22 PM
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Elaboration?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 03:56 PM
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Ashley Madison disagrees. That's only a symptom, not the root problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 02:36 PM
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It depends on who you ask. I'm reasonably certain that medical science would confirm that women are biologically human. But some might take a less scientific approach when it comes to species identification.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 03:27 PM
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I think each state has its own legal guidelines as to what constitutes abuse. I don't think PUA or game would break that barrier, though. Even if it might be deemed "creepy," that's not the same thing as abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 03:12 PM
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Is it really wrong to dislike women in general given the circumstances? I suppose it might be wrong from a humanist point of view, since women are generally considered to be human. I can see it from a dating perspective, at least as a way of being careful. But in general, I might come across any number of women in everyday situations - cashiers, waitresses, etc. I see no reason to dislike them just because they're women, unless they're rude or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 02:27 PM
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I think men and women can be platonic friends with each other, although problems might erupt if one of them wants it to be more than just friends. I think it's a bit of a myth that it's just something that affects "nice guys," since unrequited love can happen to anyone. It's been a major theme in song and story for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 01:47 PM
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Clearly, none of those attributes would be as problematic if your partner does not have the tendencies of a vulture. I think this pretty much says it all. We all understand that the real world is a rough place and that it's necessary to have a certain hardened toughness to be able to handle the streets and day-to-day life. People will take advantage of someone they see as a doormat or otherwise vulnerable. Some people are just plain malicious and devious. But the conventional advice is to not as…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 01:11 PM
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I don't know anyone who says that except for some idealistic teenagers maybe. Actually, these are the kinds of things that jaded adults generally say to teenagers asking for advice. It's the usual "Dear Abby" type stuff that's been trotted out for generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 12:26 PM
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Then you have a very strange concept of "morality," even if you think it's "whatever you want it to be."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 02:07 AM
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Great convo Then you agree that you are causing more problems than you're solving.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 01:59 AM
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Wtf, in what world can anyone possibly justify the statement "you can't blame XXX for being immoral". I'll blame people for their immoral actions all I want. Of course you can. You can do whatever you want. But if you blame the symptom and not the cause, then you're causing more problems than you're solving.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 12:28 AM
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I hate TRP because it's immoral (and because I think it's an over-simplified theory that's trying to dumb down incredibly complex human relationships). Not because "oh no, they've figured out my female schemes!" Some women might admit to having schemes. Thing is, actions speak louder than words. When men have to contend with female double-talk and other unexplained mysteries - and not really getting much of a straight answer from women - then they're going to seek elsewhere to find out. You can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 12:18 AM
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And because it's just straight up incorrect. The whole "deep down you know it's all true" bit is just red pill interjection. I'm not sure why you guys do that. I'm a relative newcomer to this whole "manosphere" myself, but I've been around the block enough times to realize that a lot of these RP ideas are not all that new. They may use a different terminology and so forth - and it may go against the grain of what's supposed to be politically correct in this country. I can see why it would be opp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 12:04 AM
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It's easy to just say he is one of those 'arrogant assholes women love', you don't actually know this guy, you have no idea what his experiences are, what his woman sees in him or if he really is as nasty as you think. Who actually says something like this under these circumstances? More often than not, it's the women themselves who declare the men in their lives to be assholes. With some, it's a recurring pattern of asshole after asshole after asshole. It would be different if these women were …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 11:15 PM
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Oh well, I'll just keep it and use it in the next thread. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 06:41 PM
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I've noticed a general trend over the past few decades where anyone is attacked if they don't follow a certain political orthodoxy (sometimes known as "political correctness"). Anyone who doesn't toe the party line is subject to the tactics of ridicule, shaming - very old but effective political tactics. I can see where someone might oppose the Red Pill on religious grounds, although from what I can tell in the short time I've been here, most Blue Pillers tend to oppose RP from a completely diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 06:37 PM
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What do people of both pills think of these developents? Positive for women, for men, for both, for neither? I don't think it's anything too surprising. I'm not sure why there are more women in college than men, but there are alternatives to college where one can still earn a decent living. I've heard some even question if the traditional four-year college is becoming a thing of the past. For what it's worth, both of my grandmothers were better educated than my grandfathers, neither of whom got …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 05:52 PM
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"If you work for a man, in heaven's name work for him. If he pays you wages which supply you bread and butter, work for him; speak well of him; stand by him, and stand by the institution he represents. If put to a pinch, an ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness. If you must vilify, condemn, and eternally disparage, resign your position, and when you are outside, damn to your heart's content, but as long as you are part of the institution do not condemn it. If you do that, you are loose…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 03:02 PM
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It would seem likely, yes. White feminists are in a somewhat difficult position, since they're part of the oppressor class for being white and privileged, while still trying to pass themselves off as "oppressed" because they're women. It works only when directed against white males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 01:44 PM
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And what they have in common with. A lot of the women Nice Guys want they have nothing in common with. But they wouldn't know that unless they actually got to know the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 05:49 PM
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It's interesting to see how the "nice guy" is portrayed, and yet, in another post on this same subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3iid4u/this_article_shows_redpill_works_pretty/), it links to an article which says pretty much the same thing that the "nice guy" might say. The basic answer is this: Women are not capable of rational, logical thought when choosing a partner. They rely solely on emotion, get burned, and then complain about it afterwards. The "nice guy" does…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 05:38 PM
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Could you expand on this a little? What is this 'idealogical corner?' Well, at least in the United States, a lot of liberal and progressive ideals were formulated within the framework of white middle class morality. Even if the movement was working to tear down the old institution, it still depended on that institution just the same. I think you also touched on it when you noted an ideological conflict between feminism and multiculturalism. Many cultures have strictly-defined gender roles and wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 05:22 PM
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If gender roles should be abolished, why do the same people who want to do that, often argue for the protection of different cultures? Ie, multiculturalism, fighting against 'cultural appropriation,' etc. How are the two concepts different? I think the simplest answer is that a lot of social liberals didn't really give enough thoughtful examination and study to the ideals they supported - and ended up painting themselves into an ideological corner. But strictly speaking, the law provides for equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 03:44 PM
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Not entirely meaningless, but it just needs to come with an explanation - which it does. I'm relatively new to the "manosphere" myself, so I had to read the glossary and list of acronyms, since a lot of it didn't make much sense at first. But me, I've always been somewhat old school in that I prefer to have words written out in plain English. I'll admit that all these acronyms and newspeak are a bit disheartening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 02:34 PM
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I think a general piece of advice - which can apply in other situations, not just relationships - is that humans are capable of just about anything. You can never really be 100% totally certain about anyone or anything. It doesn't mean that you stop living or that you stop taking risks - but it just means that sometimes you have to be careful. I look at AWALT in the same way one might look at State Department bulletins which give warnings to US tourists visiting foreign destinations. They might …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 02:13 PM
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Yeah, but that's just rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 01:57 PM
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Say that and people scream HYPERGAMYBITCHESGUCCI But if it's true, why not just come out and admit it? Why do so many people come out of the woodwork to condemn the Red Pill when everyone seems to agree that "women like really hot men"? Both sides are saying essentially the same thing, so what's the big deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 01:16 PM
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Well, they do have a point about the excess of unhealthy food out there. If this helps encourage people to eat better quality and more healthy food, then it sounds good to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 09:02 PM
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I think it's really just a clash of cultures. If someone is raised in an environment where being bold and assertive with their sexuality was not appropriate, then that's how they will be socialized. I think many people forget that it wasn't that long ago that people weren't really supposed to be having sex out of wedlock (including any kind of kissing or touching), so people in some sub-cultures may not be quite as hep as the urban sophisticates and the Sex and the City crowd. So, the "nice guy"…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 01:00 AM
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Some men might even think of it as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 12:46 AM
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Yeah, it's so hard to understand why someone might be too upset to continue after reading a post about how it should be OK to rape your wife, or how getting a girl drunk to fuck her is OK. People are just so emotional! Sarcasm aside, I don't see how it's really possible to oppose something if one can't even face it. In order for a problem to be solved, it requires open communication in society, but that's not possible if one party falls to pieces because the subject matter is too upsetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 12:37 AM
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Go to a different establishment? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:33 PM
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So I assume you hate how white people have it so easy in America and how they get a "whitey-pass" for everything and how the Whites are Wonderful effect is pervasive in the media, right? Actually, many people across society have made this very argument, and it's also worthy of consideration. America has made some progress in that area; it's not like it was in the old days. But many would still argue that there's a long way to go. Still, it's a problem that's acknowledged and recognized, and soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:31 PM
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Sexist to dress up and not look like a slob at a fine establishment? I'm not talking about looking like a slob, but surely there can be more options for a man to be able to dress up and look nice without having to wear a leash tie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:09 PM
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I try to look at both sides of the argument, although I have to admit that I'm a man and will tend to look at things from a male point of view. I'm not sure which "pill" I would take, but as an ordinary average guy living in America, I sense that there are a lot of people worried about the future and what direction the country will take. I think that the analogy of the "red pill" (as it was in The Matrix) could apply to anyone who recognizes various lies and deceptions which have been propagated…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:02 PM
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Many women see suits as sexy. That's only because the top leaders in the world all wear suits. If all the national leaders, CEOs, and others in the executive class started wearing clown costumes, then women would start thinking that clown costumes are sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 05:36 PM
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The first step would be not to throw a tantrum when something negative is written about women as a collective. This is an excellent point. I've noticed this quite a bit, whenever anyone says anything critical of the feminist party line, there's the usual knee-jerk cries of "misogyny!" That kind of crap has to stop. If women can't even handle the slightest constructive criticism without blowing a fuse over it, then there may not be any solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 05:13 PM
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Do women love children, or do women regard children as utilities? Some women do, although it's not something that should be assumed (even if it's regarded as "natural"). My own mother was quite a piece of work - negligent, alcoholic, abusive and mentally unstable. And then there was my step-mother who was an abusive rage-a-holic. My dad sure knew how to pick 'em.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 04:20 PM
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No, but they still think women can never change. Do they think that? At this point, women have no reason to change, so why would they?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 03:56 PM
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I thought the movie Conquest of the Planet of the Apes was cool the way they approached it. All the top-level men didn't wear ties. They wore nice jackets with turtlenecks. No ties! It would have been nice if that was truly predictive of the future - apart from the apes taking over... "But how? HOW??!? They don't have the INTELLIGENCE to use such tools!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 03:39 PM
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I understand how it goes. My view is that as long as I can keep doing for myself, I'll keep doing. I live on my own dime and never ask anyone for anything. That's how I live with myself and I'll keep on living for as long as my body allows. It might be something worth considering. As the song goes: "If you don't like the way I'm livin', you just leave this long-haired country boy alone." ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 03:01 AM
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If so, does it mean that men are expected to act stoic and unemotional? Is the lack of emotions genuine or an act? What if a man is genuinely sad or upset, what is he supposed to do? Some men become chain smokers, heavy drinkers - or they'll just keep it bottled in until they can't take it anymore and blow their brains out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 02:01 AM
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That's sad. Not even being able to assume that your own mother has your best interests in mind. It depends. A lot of seriously damaged people got that way because of their parents. So, one can't really assume much of anything anymore. And, yes, it is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 10:53 PM
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It seems like there's more to this story. The link in the OP was from an article in March, although this article (http://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/20150824/NEWS/150829729/-1/breaking_ajax) was from today. Her lawyer claims that she was "brainwashed" into helping him. She was apparently at a psychiatric facility when all this texting took place. They initially planned to commit suicide together. A sad story, all the way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 10:25 PM
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There are social issues such as racism, sexism, homophobia, so why is it wrong to make correcting these a part of your life? I suppose it depends on who you're talking about, although I don't think it's all that bad to fight for social justice. The way I see it, if someone wants to take a stand on something, then take a stand. Don't be wishy-washy about it. Be firm, consistent, and resolute. Have a set of principles and stick by them. I think most people would respect that, even if they disagree…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:42 PM
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I can sort of understand where the guy is coming from. I had a father like his. Concerning society. I honestly don't give a fuck about society. It wouldn't bother me if western society went down tomorrow. I'm not going to get laid, so what do I care about what happens to other people? This sounds a bit defeatist and over the top. Although I guess it's one of the consequences of various cultural and political changes we've seen in recent decades, particularly in the realm of consumerism, hyper-in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:24 PM
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Again, I did in this thread. If you're referring to your point about "nurture vs. nature," I probably lean towards the "nurture" side myself, although that doesn't totally negate "nature." I don't see it as an "either/or" question. Still, the opposition here and those who declare it to be "wrong" seem to be coming more from a political and philosophical mindset, not a scientific one. That's what I was getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:52 PM
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Because there are some elements of TRP that are considered extremist . So because of "some elements," they want to throw out the baby with the bathwater?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:36 PM
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And alot of us have, often. I did in this thread. More often than not, such explanations amount to "why I don't like it," not why it should be considered objectively "wrong."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:21 PM
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Well, they're right in a way . Being awkward and having bad social skills doesn't help at all . Isn't that exactly what the Red Pill is designed to improve when they talk about "game"? Why would blue pillers/feminists/women criticize that when they ostensibly want awkward men to acquire better social skills, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:49 PM
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We don't have to provide an alternative explaination in order to believe it is wrong Perhaps not, although it might be expected that someone would explain why they think it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:44 PM
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Rather than make the change necessary to become attractive, they demand that other parties drop their standards for them. Movements like HAES and Slutwalk are less about acceptance, and more about gaining the perception of attractiveness by eliminating others' standards. I agree, although I'm not sure that any kind of campaign to eliminate standards would succeed. Even those who seek to eliminate double standards face an uphill battle. The best anyone can expect is a policy of non-discrimination…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:28 PM
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Go and tell that to TRPillers who think "game" is more important than looks. Actually, maybe someone should tell this to the blue pillers and feminists who think that being awkward and having low social skills is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:53 PM
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Actually, I think men do appreciate sluts. More often than not, it's the women who are the most zealous when it comes to slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 03:42 PM
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Why should anyone care if women want to be promiscuous? There's no reason that I can think of. As far as I know, it's not illegal to be promiscuous. If one doesn't have any religious beliefs or any reason to believe that promiscuity is immoral, then there's no particular reason to feel "shamed" by it, is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 12:46 AM
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You're being very thick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 09:44 PM
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I did read it. My point stands, whether you wish to answer it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 08:31 PM
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You're arguing a straw man. I don't think anyone in the history of our planet has said that. That's what is implied by the label. Just because you don't understand the meaning of words and their connotation is not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 08:20 PM
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I'm not asking about whether life is fair, but it's ironic that you mention that, since you're the one who was complaining about "blaming the shamer" and saying that it's "delusional." What's "delusional" here? To believe that someone who merely has low social skills is the same thing as a sex offender? You don't think that your own position here is delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 08:08 PM
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There are definitely lots of men in the mental health system. Some may be under court order to get "anger counseling" or something along those lines. That may not be seen as weak, although anger is one of the few emotions that men can express publicly and not be seen as weak. That's the real tragedy of these rage killings, since some men would rather be remembered as a homicidal maniac than as a weak, depressed man who needed psychological help. "It's better to burn out than fade away."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 04:28 PM
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I'm not so sure I would agree with that. I think if I went to a Western European country like Germany, even if I couldn't speak the language, it might still feel culturally closer to the US or UK than Japan. English is a Germanic language, so it shares many of the same root words. Foods, traditional clothing, and styles of living would be similar. Nearly all of Europe was Christianized, and were influenced by the cultural legacy of the Greco-Roman civilizations. Our Western cultures also intermi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 03:02 PM
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Maybe his grandfather was, although even he was just a Stalinist puppet. Stalin, on the other hand...maybe he was an alpha. He would send out those sultry, sexy Russian spy women to seduce James Bond, but their true loyalty was always with the General Secretary.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 02:12 PM
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Some might say that Japan is Westernized, but that doesn't make them "Western." Geopolitically, they're closely aligned with the West, but there are significant cultural differences which would make them distinct from the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:15 PM
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Well, I just figured most of them would find ugly women, have ugly kids - after all, they must be coming from somewhere...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:08 PM
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Now look at this guy [2] . No matter how much he improves himself, no matter how good his "personality" is, no matter how good his "game" is, he'll still have ugly facial structure and be rejected by all women 5+. Holy crap! That must have been some kind of troll video. If not, then this guy has some major problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 12:46 PM
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I'm reminded of this scene from Animal House: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 11:56 AM
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I suppose one can find horror stories and anecdotes from both ends of the spectrum. In the end, people will want whatever they want. I don't pay much attention to reality shows, and I don't know much about this particular situation described in this article. But it sounds like whoever wrote it is lamenting the fact that Anna Duggar was given bad advice while growing up. That also seems to be a common theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 11:46 AM
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I don't agree at all. Creep shaming is shaming people with low social skill when they mess up and come off as creepy. The way you put it pretty much blames the shamer, it's a bit delusional. Blame the creep for his ineptitude. How is it "delusional"? Even if what you're saying is true, that the "creep" is inept and has low social skill, how does that justify labeling him as a "creep"? That's tantamount to labeling them as borderline criminals and sex offenders when nothing could be further from …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 11:26 AM
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What about Chuck Norris? Or The Most Interesting Man In The World?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 11:12 AM
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Some might say that Humanism would be a good alternative. It would cover both men's and women's rights, since both men and women are human.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 10:53 AM
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Btw some unattractive guy whose parents are filthy rich gave us $800 to gamble with just like that. We didn't even kiss the guy. It just boggles my mind why men do this shit. Did you take the $800, and if so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 10:42 AM
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I'm an atheist, so I don't care. Then why should anyone care about "slut shaming"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 10:32 AM
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What do you think? Is Western civilization doomed? I don't even know why the idea bothers me since Greece is already doomed anyway(even though Greece's problems right now have nothing to do with feminism specifically) . If Western Civilization is doomed, the beginning of the end probably started around World War I. Some might argue that a nation, empire, or civilization can't survive unless it displays qualities similar to that of an alpha male. Of course, a state is collectivist by nature, so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 10:24 AM
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I believe that women are capable of accepting responsibility, but whether they actually do so is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:26 PM
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It's not giving women freedom that does that. It's absolving them of any responsibility which causes the problem. With freedom and power come responsibility, and if women are taught that they can abuse their freedom and power without having to take any responsibility, then that's where it can threaten civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:31 PM
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He is examining sexuality through a moral lens while his female counterparts are just being free and wild with their sexuality. This is basically what creates nice guys, teaching men that women are still attracted to the same things they were 100s of years ago. This is a good point. It's almost like a classic tale, where the farm boy goes out to the big city and gets taken in by all the nightlife and fast women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 08:15 PM
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can you go into detail about how it is regressive? Back in the 1960s and 70s, feminism was also aligned with the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, the labor movement/unions. I recall when feminism was more consistent in their views on gender equality, not expecting any special treatment or supporting any double standards. But at some point after women started being admitted into the military academies, their support of a more progressive cause like peace started to evaporate. When th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 03:23 PM
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Add how she stayed single until she died Actually, Rose got married and had children and at least one granddaughter (who was taking care of her).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 07:44 AM
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No, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:43 PM
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They may not have been Aztecs or descended from Aztecs or from Mexico. It was Miami, so they could be of Cuban, Dominican, Central American ancestry. Hard to say. Two of them could be classified as Latino and the other two were African-American. The victim was Latino.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:20 PM
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I think one should also look at the woman in question in this particular case: Strickland, of Miami Gardens, refused to cooperate with Miami-Dade detectives when detained on Wednesday. According to police, she shoved an investigator, head-butted his chest and flailed about before she was shackled in an interview room. She also used screws from an electrical outlet to try and pick her handcuffs, then scrawled “MPD Go to Hell” on a table, the report said. Strickland also was charged with resisting…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:12 PM
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Yes, I looked at the Miami Herald article which said that the DOL operates 125 such schools around the country. It's for job training for at-risk youth age 16-24.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:08 PM
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Horrifying. The article said they were "students at Homestead Job Corps, a live-in school and vocational training program run by the US Department of Labor." Not sure what kind of school that is, if it's just a euphemism for what used to be known as "reform school."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:21 PM
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No, it's Horrendo. Horrendo Revolver. You've heard of me?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 03:36 PM
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What the fuck are grown people doing here Well, I only started posting on reddit in the past few months. I mainly use the internet for news and information; I sometimes post on the message boards at the Internet Movie Database (IMDb). Occasionally, I post on some political and religious boards. I just sort of found this forum by accident, although I thought the discussions here looked rather interesting. Much of it doesn't really apply to me personally, but it's still interesting to see the wide…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 03:33 PM
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No, but I did work as a security guard at an upscale hotel in the early 80s. I think a few porn stars stayed there, along with the occasional hit man or rock star. The coke smugglers were the worst. It was kind of a sleaze pit, actually - even if it looked "upscale" on the outside. I went into the funeral business after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 02:56 PM
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Thanks, I grew it myself. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 02:37 PM
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Not sure if it has anything to do with TRP, although perhaps technology and the internet might have changed a few things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 01:43 PM
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50, Male, Social Worker, USA, Single, No Pill (leaning towards Red) http://imgur.com/zRjslDI
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 01:18 PM
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I wrote this in the other thread on this same topic: I grew up during 2nd wave feminism. One can see enormous differences between the 1950s and 1980s in terms of gender politics and culture, and these changes can be attributed in part to 2nd wave feminism. Most of the main achievements and milestones of feminism had already taken place. Compare that to the period from the 1980s to the present decade, and there's little to no difference in terms of gender politics. If anything, third wave feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:59 PM
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I grew up during 2nd wave feminism. One can see enormous differences between the 1950s and 1980s in terms of gender politics and culture, and these changes can be attributed in part to 2nd wave feminism. Most of the main achievements and milestones of feminism had already taken place. Compare that to the period from the 1980s to the present decade, and there's little to no difference in terms of gender politics. If anything, third wave feminism may even be regressive to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:45 PM
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does anyone else thing that TheRedPill has a lot of good ideas, but is always crazy nutty in a lot of areas. I try to look at it from a more big picture point of view while realizing that any school of thought or philosophy might have its share of "crazy nutty." As a point of comparison, one might look at the environmental movement and find sane conservationists with moderate views, and then there are those who are more radical and might be considered "crazy nutty." It doesn't mean that environm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:30 PM
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Well , TRP believes that all women are irrational , irresponsible and incapable of change , so.... Perhaps. I think feminists believe that as well, except they're against anyone shaming women for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:11 PM
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And do you believe that TRP's claims about gender essentialism, women being incapable of higher cognition, etc are backed by tangible facts and evidence? I'd have to see what their exact arguments are. But I don't believe everything that they claim. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say. Just like with anything else, I can only read what they have to say and try to separate the wheat from the chaff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:02 PM
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A "sexual strategy" which is built on an inaccurate assessment of reality is unlikely to be successful for most of the people using it. It might be overgeneralized, but I'm not sure if it's entirely inaccurate. One thing is certain is that TRP didn't descend in from outer space; it's a product of this culture. The underlying issue I see is that we live in a culture which has heavily promoted the need to formulate a "sexual strategy," and TRP is merely one of many attempts to meet that particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:14 PM
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CMV: You can't be a true RedPiller and a liberal . TRPillers believe that left-wing politics have ruined society, that's an important part of the ideology. I'm not sure that I agree with this. Left-wing ideologies tend to promote economic equality. What liberals did instead (in the 60s and 70s) was focus on social equality while putting economic equality on the back burner. The Democrats changed from being the "party of the working man" to the "party of the non-working woman." But I think the De…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:17 PM
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There aren't simple, universal answers for how to be happy. I know that TRP offers that, and that that's a large part of its draw, but simple answers to complex questions are more harmful than not having an answer at all. If that's true, then why are some people so certain that TRP won't work or won't bring happiness? Happiness is subjective anyway. Some people would just be happy if they're told the truth. I'd rather deal with harsh, bleak truths than be "happy" in ignorant bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:24 PM
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Trp ruins another marriage? I don't see how. Apparently, the whole thing started when the OP's girlfriend read an article on "abusive men." Unless it was a TRP article (which I doubt it was), then I can't see how it can be blamed on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:16 PM
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This is going to be my last thread. But I am so sick and tired of men who continue to discredit my personal experiences when they are a. NOT a woman b. NOT a black woman I know. It sucks when people make assumptions about what another person is feeling or thinking when they're not that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 02:51 PM
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I was never entirely sold on this whole "being an Alpha" idea. I think it makes a certain level of sense on a basic and "natural" level, but human societies and hierarchies are far more complex than that of animals. If I understand The Red Pill as a reference to The Matrix, then it seems that it would be more of a reaction to a great lie which has been revealed. I would think that the Alpha male existed long before "the lie" was ever propagated - before "The Matrix" was ever constructed. So, yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:01 AM
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And he is told to FUCK OFF for that? Really? It says a lot that the Blue Pillers never address the fact that he has a point-- they aren't going out there and swooning over the "loser nice guys". Isn't this post a big overreaction? If not, how do you justify the "Fuck You's" in this post? It's possible that the OP had not intended to have a debate or entertain any opposing views. So, the "fuck you" may not have been addressing the actual post, but just the fact that an unsolicited opposing view w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 02:14 AM
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Male, USA, 6-7/10 No pill; experience is the best teacher; although I'm probably more Red Pill when it comes to society in general. I've always had a rebellious streak and a feeling that society is screwed up in more ways than one. I eventually came to the view that gender politics is a bit of a put on. Society has fostered a view which has encouraged narcissism, hyper-individualism, selfishness, greed, myopia - most likely due to a variety of contradictory influences. I think human politics are…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:21 AM
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When it's suggested as being "dishonest," it implies that they're doing so consciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 08:12 PM
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It sounds like it could be both mental health issues and the influence of popular culture and often reflected in the entertainment media. It could also be a result of growing up in dysfunctional households and having adult role models in dysfunctional and/or abusive relationships. There could be any number of explanations, just as the so-called "nice guy" might also have mental health issues, at least with some of these cases which I've seen described here. I don't know what the solution is, nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:46 PM
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I don't know any of the type that would fit all the criteria in the profile, but there might be a few similarities in some people I know. But it's because that I know them personally that I know that they're not so one-dimensional as to fit into a caricature. I'll take a look at the article you mention. I'll admit that some men might go through a period of "temporary insanity" which might cause them to exhibit the behaviors you describe here. I would question the assertion that they're putting p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:21 PM
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Why are we doing that? For the sake of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 06:51 PM
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A Nice guytm relationship to the girl is based around him immediately submitting him self to the girl, doing every thing, and breaking their back for her. But see, this is what I mean by a caricature. It's a hypothetical which may be intended to imitate real life, but it seems so skewed and unrealistic. Humans are very complicated organisms; there are any number of possible reasons which can motivate what anyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:53 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't follow. Upthread, you wrote that "nice guys are not nice." If we assume that those who are not "nice guys" are also not nice, then that would lead to the conclusion that "there are no nice guys" at all. Not even the "nice guys" are nice. They're described as the obsequious drooling pervs and creeps who are only pretending to be nice just because they want sex. We know that that's what all men want; they're just looking for an opportunity to get into a girl's pants. Because men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:36 PM
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My best friend is this way. I love the gal to death, but she's an idiot when it comes to men. She's exclusively dated douchebags and is now married to the biggest prick on the planet; meanwhile, we have several mutual acquaintances who are genuinely nice guys who would have killed for the chance to go out with her (she's a very pretty and cool person), but she wasn't interested. She's one of these girls who thinks that unless a relationship is dramatic, it's not "passionate." It's very frustrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:27 PM
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Its OK, the joy of being nice makes up for being underpaid. It only works for a while, then diminishing returns set in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:57 PM
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"Nice" guys are not all men. They are a minority of men. Most men are just, you know, dudes. Yes, but to maintain the fiction that "there are no nice guys," it still reduces all men to the lowest common denominator.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:55 PM
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Women can't find nice guys and men cant find nice girls because everybody is an asshole. I think there are degrees of asshole behavior. I'd like to think that there are some people with some measure of principle and lines they would never cross.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:53 PM
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"Nice guys" are not nice, But this is where I take issue, since it seems to reduce all men to the lowest common denominator. Sure, there are some men who behave in the manner you describe, although I have difficulty believing that they're all so monolithic and one-dimensional. The common feminist perception of the "nice guy" is more of a caricature than anything that seems remotely believable. What we're really talking about is a perception and a judgment call, which is what I see as a common co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:35 PM
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Maybe, but they weren't paid near enough. Although a Maoist would already know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:22 PM
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Women want nice guys.... in alpha skins. They don't like assholes imo, they tolerate him because of his other SMV. This makes sense. I think what's both funny and sad though is that women are extremely reluctant to admit to something like this. I've found that it's extremely sensitive territory for women if they're asked to explain the reasoning for their sexual choices. In order to avoid being "slut-shamed" or accept the notion that women might be responsible for their own choices, they go into…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:20 PM
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There are no nice guys. "Nice guys" are just pussies. So, women can't find any nice guys because they're aren't any? Is that something that would be true in every era of history? I look around at our advanced, modern society, our technology, our infrastructure and think "Well, at least some guys must have been nice to build all that for us."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:09 PM
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I can find tons of guys with good personalities who are willing to be kind, supportive partners. I would say only one of my past partners was a bad person, and he didn't become one over night, but a little bit at a time over 6 years. So, would that imply that the women who complain about not finding nice guys aren't really looking hard enough? Or maybe they're not being truthful? I'm a feminist, I've never believed all men are scum. There seems to be an equal number of non-feminists as feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:03 PM
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I think marriage might be viewed as a kind of trade off. I think that men might feel a certain amount of pressure from their families and from society in general to get married. As others mentioned here, unmarried men are viewed with suspicion in certain circles, so there may be a certain society level benefit that comes from marriage. But I don't think marriage is essential for a man to live a happy, successful, and prosperous life. It could help in certain circles, but it's not essential overa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:42 PM
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Are there any Red Pillers who view the sexual revolution as a positive thing? I think the sexual revolution has had both positive and negative effects on society, but I think the problem comes in when people dismiss the negatives, pretend like they don't exist, or suggest that they're caused by something else. Why do TRPillers think that the only solution is to restrict natural human behavior ? I don't think TRP is about restricting natural human behavior. The general thrust of TRP is to say "th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 02:52 PM
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Do these BPers all of a sudden care about the male experience? I don't think very many people really "care" that much about others in general, other than family or close friends. Whether or not they're trying to help men out is hard to say. I see a lot self-help books out there, although I'm never sure if the author is actually trying to help people or just sell books. I'm just as skeptical about people on the internet who offer advice. I contend the reasoning is twofold: The woman doesn't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 09:12 PM
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The problem is that the 1st world is having less children and shitholes are having litters. True, although I wouldn't say that's the fault of The Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 04:36 PM
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Do you think all "humans" are fungible? If we replaced all of Sweden with yanomamo Indians from Brazil, would Sweden stay Sweden? Probably not, although nations and cultures can be just as transitory. If you look at a map of the world from 1000 years ago, it would look totally different than what it does now (just as the languages/cultures would be different). Likewise, a map of the world 1000 years from now will be unrecognizable to those of us today. There's already a population decrease in We…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 04:26 PM
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With a population of over 7 billion, I don't think the world will run out of humans anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 12:45 AM
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People want the freedom of choice and having many choices and never taking responsibility for anything they do. It's a natural instinct, I get it. It's the road to happiness. Sounds more like a recipe for disaster than a road to happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 06:12 PM
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Humans suck whether they bear an oversized clit and descended ovaries or not. Welcome to equality. Wouldn't this make you a "humanist" instead? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 05:25 PM
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Yes, but a lot of that has to be taught. It's not something that someone would know instinctively or automatically. Even the idea of being socially and romantically "inept" is merely an observation of how well someone conforms to the culture, how well they've been taught, what kind of role models they had growing up. So, to judge a man's intrinsic worth on something rather superficial comes across as rather shallow, narrow, and indicative of mindless conformity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 04:58 PM
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Do TRPers at least admit that this is what happens when the male imperative gains total control? Do any of them actually think they want to live in that world? ISIS is a religious dictatorship - and it's not even really an official country at this point. Part of the reason for all the fighting is that there isn't any single male with "total control" - even if there may be many who want it. Men fight other men for power. Throughout history, that's how it's generally been. Men fighting over territ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 08:23 AM
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There's a difference between genuinely seeking advice when it comes to socializing (along with being self-aware of one's own flaws) and feeling entitled to sex for being a "nice guy". This notion of the "nice guy" feeling entitled to sex never really made much sense to me. If a guy, nice or not, wanted sex, it would be pretty easy to get, one way or another. In these "nice guy" situations, it seems quite clear that they're interested in only one particular person. It's obvious that there are dee…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 06:13 AM
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My grandmother once told me that a man should never hit a lady, but a woman who hits a man is no lady.
/r/MGTOW08/07/15 07:45 AM
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I've been looking into MGTOW the past month, and what baffles me is why anyone would really care all that much anyway. Regardless of what the reasons might be, how does it affect you? I saw an article the other day on Return of Kings which was quite critical of MGTOW, yet they blocked me after only one post. I've observed that the critics of MGTOW make hit-and-run attacks, yet are too afraid and too sensitive to listen to any response or opposing views. What does that say about them?
/r/MGTOW03/07/15 01:26 AM
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I'm not sure how things are in England, but in America, the attitude you describe also might depend on where you are, whether it's in a big city, a small town, or a middle class suburb. In lower-income areas, life is rougher, the people are meaner, and most people just adopt a certain "attitude." Race doesn't make much of a difference, since lower-income whites can become meaner than junkyard dogs. And unlike England, a significant portion of our population goes around armed, so that can always …
/r/MGTOW29/06/15 09:24 PM
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You can tell from the posts here that a huge amount of this sub is written by teenagers eaten by anger and frustration/hate towards women. They don't admit it directly, but you can feel it. I can sense that, too, but the key is understanding why one angry on a certain logical and rational level. "Being a man" can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. Mick Jagger once wrote "He can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me." I heard a quote from a famous general that nobody co…
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 11:42 PM
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That makes it all the more puzzling then.
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 06:58 PM
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the slut displays that she has no discernment in her selection of a mate I think that pretty much echoes the same point I was making. As for why women shame sluts, that's for the women to worry about. They're the ones constantly harping about "slut shaming," so that's something they need to deal with internally within their own gender. It's not a man's problem, since men have very logical and rational reasons for shaming a slut - and, contrary to the false perceptions of feminists, those reasons…
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 06:40 PM
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It depends. Some men might be raised with more traditional or provincial notions about prostitution, whether it's religious/moral concerns or the idea that a man can't be a "real man" if he has to pay for it. It's much the same mentality about male virgins, that they can't be "real men." So, it might be seen as a lose-lose proposition either way.
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 06:16 PM
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This is a link to the actual video: http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/06/24/japan-middle-aged-virgins-ripley-pkg.cnn
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 04:50 PM
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I understand what you mean. Voting does seem like an exercise in futility, but it doesn't cost anything and doesn't really take up that much time. It doesn't mean that you actually have to make any selections. You can write "fuck you" all over the ballot and make your displeasure known. If every person refusing to vote actually did that, then it would send a much stronger message than not showing up at all.
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 04:31 PM
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There was an interesting comment following the article which suggests that "slut shaming" is the reason that women feel inhibited in expressing their desires for a man. However, I think the person commenting may have misinterpreted the concept of "slut": There's this idea that women should be allowed to seduce and actively seek out sexual experience as much as men do without scrutiny. However, due to our gender norms, the woman with a reputation to sleep around a lot is shamed, often called a "s…
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 04:10 PM
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I grew up with an avid interest in politics, although I leaned more towards the Democrats in my younger days. My maternal grandfather was a lifelong Democrat going back before FDR, and he always said that the Democrats were the party of the working man. But they're not really that anymore. My father and pretty much his entire side of the family were staunch Republicans from the upper Midwest. Very conservative and devoutly religious. But they shared quite a bit in common with the Democrats of th…
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 05:12 AM
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There was a follow-up to this article also in Forbes where she mentions some of the comments to the OP's article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2014/09/15/how-sex-in-the-city-ruined-the-lives-of-professional-millennial-women/ Now, she's saying that Sex and the City ruined women's lives.
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 01:49 AM
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You know what? The only point of this post is to say that you guys are delusional, beta losers. Nothing about the term MGTOW offends me, but almost everyone who follows it does. Idiots. Why would it offend you?
/r/MGTOW25/06/15 01:04 AM
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Another thing struck me is that at the beginning, she was saying that she was in the office of her apartment complex and they refused to give her some form. I was just thinking that whoever the apartment manager is, that person must go through a living hell with this crazy tenant living there.
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 09:18 PM
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Possibly a reference to the creation of the Federal Reserve or the ratification of the 16th Amendment which established the Federal income tax. Both occurred in 1913.
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 06:14 PM
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Wow. Just wow. I was a bit curious about where/who this was, and I found this woman's blog. http://lenakochman.blogspot.com/ I have an appointment at this building this morning. How many people who had no reason to know that, such as the U.S. Postal Service worker who had his truck parked in the parking lot when I got to this address, knew, and created this situation? How many people have my phone hacked and are listening to all of my conversations, reading my email, looking at my bank account, …
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 05:41 PM
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They banned me over there, too, only after a single comment. I disagreed with the article, but I didn't think my post was that bad as to warrant a ban. They must be really sensitive to criticism.
/r/MGTOW24/06/15 05:59 AM
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There's a scene at the end of "The Valachi Papers" where Valachi tries to kill himself after testifying before Congress about the Mob. He learns that Vito Genovese had a $100,000 contract out on him, and that if he had succeeded in killing himself, Genovese wouldn't have had to pay out a dime. The FBI guy assigned to protect him said to Valachi "I'm going to keep you alive just to spite him" (Genovese). Then Valachi replies: "Hey, that's not a bad reason to live - sheer, goddamn spite."
/r/MGTOW22/06/15 08:53 AM
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"Is it possible to be a feminist and a mgtow at the same time?" I suppose it's possible for a MGTOW to be whatever he wants to be, but why be a feminist? What would be the point? Even if one wants to stop the moral decay destroying our society, being a feminist seems counterproductive towards such a high-minded goal. As far as moral decay goes, we're probably past the point of no return anyway. There comes a time when one has to just let go and let the Empire fall.
/r/MGTOW19/06/15 07:49 PM
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