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Are you gonna pretend that you can't find selfish people who are in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:05 PM
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They're bad people because they are selfish, and they are not alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:01 PM
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Bad people are only good to themselves. That's why they're bad. You lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:58 PM
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I guess it can't be refuted if you ignore all the bad people who are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:55 PM
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produce something What is this even supposed to mean
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:40 PM
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The red pill would just say that he was a doormat and didn't hold masculine frame, his fault basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:13 PM
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Wrong. Men are more intimidating than bears, so I doubt most women will have the gall to make a scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:09 PM
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it will be criticized Sugar daddies get women transactionally and nobody really cares about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:32 AM
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Cool, so you just showed that society is fearmongering about nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:28 PM
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You have cited no evidence indicating that violent criminals are disproportionately lonely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:24 PM
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Can't really blame them when men with bachelor degrees are more unlikely to be unemployed than men with just a high school diploma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XZUe2T96h4&t=17s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:53 PM
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This is just toxic masculinity. Men are socialized to follow strict gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:43 PM
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There is no all else equal because there are so many factors you can't control for. You are presenting a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:29 PM
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You didn't say that those women are turned off by nontoxic men, you said that they're turned off by "weak men." And you didn't say that those women think that "safe" men are "weak."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:26 PM
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Toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:20 PM
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No, they said it's weird to join a hobby solely to meet women And that's just your opinion that nobody has to agree with because it's not based on anything factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 04:15 PM
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Red pill and the manosphere are just fringe minorities and most people date just fine yet they are now somehow ruining dating for women. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:09 PM
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There are cheat codes. Prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:22 PM
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so sometimes hard rules have to be made. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:46 PM
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I didn't realize that approaching women makes men desperate. So much for being confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:44 PM
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Justifying forced conscription is a bad look.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:40 PM
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The mere act of approaching may make someone uncomfortable, and people say that men shouldn't do that under any circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:16 PM
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You're not gonna learn anything about somebody until you approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:13 PM
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Men are complaining about approaching because they have been told to stop doing it unless they do it "the correct way," which is just someone's subjective opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:09 PM
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They don't unless they have children. Everybody living on their own already has bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:53 PM
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You're acting as if having a mortgage is still somehow achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:47 PM
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I guess if you're talking about vague traits like assertiveness and independence, but women who are assertive and independent don't want to be thought of as masculine in any way. All that's left are the disposable "masculine" traits, like being willing to work 80 hours a week or die in a war for no reason. You haven't explained what masculine traits are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:50 PM
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good means being good without expecting an award. Explain how you're going to incentive people to do this in a secular, individualistic society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:34 PM
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Your view is only consistent if you think that girls with behavioral problems should be told to "shut up and do the work." Otherwise, you are giving leeway to girls and not boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:43 PM
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Yes, and you are promoting toxic masculinity. Not even kids are safe from your wrath.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:25 PM
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They may not have anybody to raise them better. Why do you assume that they have a stable home life?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:09 PM
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So what? Prisoners behave way worse yet many people still believe that we should rehabilitate them, not punish. Dismissing boys as being inherently problematic and that they should be quiet is just punishment for being a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:01 PM
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Teach boys that they have to sit down and shut up too. There is no empathy in that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:50 PM
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I'm not sure that they do because they have done nothing to address the poor performance of boys in schools other than blaming the boys themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:38 PM
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Classic redpill is only dumbass shit. Stuff like "masculine frame" and "wait 4 hours before texting back to make it seem like you're busy."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:26 PM
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Your post doesn't give any reason for why a guy in the manosphere should leave. They only care about making money and getting women, so unless you have advice for that ...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:42 PM
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Because they form habits while they're young, and there is nothing incentivizing them to become emotionally mature as an adult. If you want the manosphere to stop, you need the young ones to stop going into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:34 PM
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I disagree because there are many young boys going into the manosphere. They won't have emotional maturity and there are also too few good role models for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:25 PM
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Extroversion is by far the largest multiplier of dating suscess. Then the people here should stop shaming men for cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:57 PM
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hair loss That's an adult man hairline. I guess you just don't like the way adult men look.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:22 PM
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So back then, were there less men who wouldn't take no for an answer? That's the reason women give for why they don't just say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:17 AM
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Don't people always talk about how dangerous men are and that it's very hard to identify a bad man (they say women can't identify an abuser and that's why they avoid many men)? Why would men who aren't dangerous seek out male friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:40 PM
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Do you think that lonely women are trash, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:00 PM
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Then why do liberal women get upset when conservative men hit on them? Incompatible lifestyle? I guess it's okay to disagree but only on things that don't affect anything, unlike politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:09 PM
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No, voicing your opinion is only okay if the other person agrees with you. Otherwise, that's when they think you're a control freak.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:00 PM
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Philosophically, we’re not. You can't think that unless you're religious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:48 PM
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Weird, my original comment was replying to the one person who was generalizing and here you are saying that I'm talking to "feminists." Get better gaslighting material next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:04 PM
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Saying that a specific demographic does something is saying that most or all people in that demographic do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:49 PM
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Maybe everyone (both men and women) could start by not making excuses for misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:35 PM
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Because people who say "X demographic does Y" are generalizing. Now share that energy when someone says, "I'm afraid we hold women responsible for X, Y, Z because they're the ones doing it."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:20 PM
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Just ignore the part where I said not even most.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:11 PM
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because women have it worse under patriarchy People can work on two issues at the same time. This pivot is no different from people who bring up "muh starving children in Africa."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:00 PM
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Not all men. Not even most.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:55 PM
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People who use the term loser back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:13 PM
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Do you think most men do not like being associated with masculinity? No, because it gives them mental health issues and they are not rewarded even when they achieve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:27 PM
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Then why does the red pill tell dudes to fuck around with different women and not settle down?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:28 PM
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Wow, a small group said something. He should listen to them because they somehow reflect the opinion of billions of humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:13 PM
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And you do? Enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:08 AM
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Lol. Do you think gang members in the hood are struggling to find women? Or do you think they're actually nice people?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:58 AM
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Post the evidence that bad people never get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:53 AM
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Yeah, men should just give greedy landlords more money because you got the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:25 PM
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What point are you trying to make other than that men should have kids as soon as possible? I'm not sure that there'll be many woman who are okay with men wanting to impulsively have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:46 PM
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It does matter because something that's considered off-putting to one woman may be attractive to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:22 PM
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I am giving an example of what I just said. there are subtle things that can cause someone to be rejected by some people and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:14 PM
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Very basic social skills like lack of eye contact and bad hygiene may be off-putting to most people, yes, but lacking a social media presence is something considered off-putting to only some groups of people. So no, there are subtle things that can cause someone to be rejected by some people and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:07 PM
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acting socially off-putting is genuinely a sexual turn off What's considered socially off-putting is not completely objective, it varies from culture to culture. It's subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:56 PM
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And those are?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:27 AM
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Do you think that every woman in the world is attracted to the same type of man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:22 AM
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Nothing inherently wrong, no. Two people could randomly meet while travelling and "naturally" develop a relationship and no one will complain. People just throw a fit when someone tries to apply a direct strategy to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:02 AM
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Who are you even talking about? So many men have low standards and will take the first woman that doesn't reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:14 AM
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Social pressure is irrelevant because society encourages individualism. Additionally, shame and social pressure are easily ignored by just meeting new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:49 PM
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It disproves that confidence and social skills are all that's needed to be attractive (personality wise). Anyone who says that is clearly wrong based on your comments. Unless you think that having social skills means that someone is not anti-fun, but that's subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:58 PM
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If being confident is attractive and interesting, then being "anti-fun" shouldn't matter. Your TLDR suggests that being "anti-fun" is a problem for getting short-term interest and attraction. Too bad for the idea that people "shouldn't care about what others think so much."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:43 PM
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If you don't do what I say, then you're anti-fun! Why should a confident and disagreeable person do these things just to appear "fun"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:27 PM
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Well, this means you can't believe that the wage gap is due to institutional barriers and sexism. If the wage gap is due to sexism, how are women freely able to "choose the kind of path they partake on"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:20 PM
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Shouldn't have labeled men as so dangerous. Guys who aren't dangerous can't identify men who are dangerous so who are they supposed to befriend? Women can't identify dangerous guys in advance either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:33 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:46 PM
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How dare men use their confidence to go after what they want!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:44 PM
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It's not always that simple. The social skills and confidence needed to approach average women consistently doesn't change when approaching very attractive women. At that point, it costs nothing to approach every woman you fancy. If some men have to fake an act each time, then they won't be able to approach any women at all, at least not consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:52 PM
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Men have no reason not to be highly confident in themselves, even if it makes them "delusional." What incentive is there for a man to worry about leagues?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:31 PM
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Why does it being voluntary make it any better? The fact that men dominate representation in dangerous jobs is listed as an example of male disposability despite those jobs being voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:47 PM
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They are until people figure out that men are going there just to hit on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:04 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:07 PM
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Sorry, but I don't understand the point you're trying to make in the last two paragraphs about whose job it is to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:56 PM
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First of all, "natural" doesn't mean anything in this context because hunter gatherers living in "natural" conditions don't have the strict gender roles that we do. Second, you're right that patriarchy wasn't just made for men to be evil to women, it was also made for men to be evil to other men. All of men's problems come from how men enforce rigid masculinity standards onto each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:23 PM
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If a guy is going around and constantly approaching women because he wants to hook up, who is he leading? The woman he attracts? At most, that's leadership in the bedroom and not leadership in a general social context. Such a guy may not care about leading other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:17 PM
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It's not important. If a confident and assertive guy is not automatically alpha, then it's a meaningless term. I suppose you can say alpha males are leaders and that's desirable, but most men can't be leaders and plenty of men don't want to be leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:10 PM
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a man must be contextual alpha Why would a man who's confident, assertive, and disagreeable worry if he's "alpha" or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:48 PM
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And why wouldn't being able to stand your ground not automatically prevent those mistakes? Nothing he'll do at that point will result in him putting her on a pedestal. So unless the mistakes you're talking about are basic social skills, why does he need to have anything more than a backbone and some confidence to make moves on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:01 AM
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Why do you need to learn game instead of just standing your ground?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:46 AM
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By this logic, it's okay for men to leave children behind by saying, "he can just pay child support."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:51 PM
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That doesn't mean that they want to be asked out by multiple men back to back, especially when they don't know what his intentions are. If they did, women wouldn't complain about dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:27 PM
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host dating related events Men will just ask every women out who goes to them and then those women will stop going.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:21 PM
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This is just an association unless you want to say that married men have an easier time running businesses or getting hired/promoted, which would also be blatant bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:25 AM
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A strong correlation still does not automatically imply causation. It could be reversed and better mental health is what leads men to marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:12 AM
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Correlation does not imply causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 12:03 AM
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Neither. A subset of violent men is having the children while others die or get thrown in jail while having no children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:51 PM
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One is incel, the other is in cell.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:35 PM
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emotional Antisocial and violent men do what they do because they can't control their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:28 PM
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Hunter gatherers don't have the strict gender roles that we currently do. Men in those societies don't worry about "stoicism" unlike modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:25 PM
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No. She also said this. Those who are more condescending than hateful, they like to lead, like to take charge and that’s attractive to some women Being condescending is socially awkward, nothing skillful about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:42 PM
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Actually, both are expensive, because you can't populate society with just a few men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:08 PM
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I think everything is a social construct and I don't have anything in my bio. What say you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:39 PM
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Is a woman masculine if she has muscles?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:01 PM
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There is no rule. If masculinity was biologically predetermined, then a group of people living in "natural" conditions wouldn't be able to go against it. Besides, you don't have a reason for men to be masculine other than for trying to get their pp touched, making masculinity nothing but a performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:58 PM
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Standards for men vary from culture to culture. Men in the Bodi tribe from Ethiopia are considered more attractive when they get fatter and have large stomachs. Here, they would be belittled as being "unmasculine."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:47 PM
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Cops and firefighters aren't masculine because women also do those jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:15 PM
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there’s also a positive assumption baked in: competence. Yes, men should just pretend that they know what they're doing. Fake it until you make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:27 AM
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Huh. Based on this thread, I guess all those people who were talking about how they know an ugly guy who gets all the women because he's funny and confident were lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:32 PM
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Wonderful. Now, with that out of the way and assuming that the Pew Research study about single men and women is accurate, I see no other possible explanation for it other than the women dating older men. If you have another one, I'd like to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:08 PM
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Men are more likely to overestimate their attractiveness. You cited this in response to the idea that women are delusional about their looks, instead claiming that men are delusional. The problem here is that there is nothing wrong with overestimating one's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:47 PM
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Seems like a median income isn't enough to attract more male teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:22 PM
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follow orders more easily Plenty of men are willing to follow orders in the military, and the military is way more strict than school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:59 PM
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LOL. Why are you asking this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:52 PM
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Because he's doing a high paid, essential job.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:47 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:33 PM
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I wouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:20 PM
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Men threaten and attack each other for minor things all the time. We have no way of knowing who is potentially dangerous or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:12 PM
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It's too dangerous to call out other men. Better to avoid and report them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:03 PM
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automatically socially conform and naturally understand how to navigate dating/romantic relationships Oversimplification. Neurotypical men struggle, too. So many women who are in the dating market are complaining now that men have these traits: Bad hygiene, rude, arrogant, not asking questions, no humor, no intelligence, no emotional intelligence, too pushy and sexual, misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:31 AM
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Men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:24 PM
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these men fully revolve their lives around how to attract women, how women perceive them Society told them to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:42 PM
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with an average job People always say that people just need a "normal" or "average" job. What even is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:38 PM
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So do you agree that men and women are only masculine and feminine respectively because society tells them to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:41 AM
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actually impress a person There is no need to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:14 PM
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I like how people flip flop from "rejection is normal" to "if you get rejected too much, then nature is saying something is wrong with you."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:14 PM
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You brought up those men as proof that men can care about status. Those specific men are into doing something morally wrong, so they're not a good example for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:46 PM
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Maybe they were getting off to her because they were doing something illegal. Isn't there a theory that men do immoral things to women because they enjoy having power over them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:25 PM
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in a good career or working towards it There aren't enough of these for everyone to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:40 PM
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The men will feel more important and they will be more confident as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:28 PM
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More males than females tend to be disagreeable and rebel against social cohesion Masculinity tells men to be disagreeable and that if you aren't constantly standing up for yourself, then you're a spineless pushover. It is not "evolutionarily baked."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:26 PM
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If they think that they'll be approched by too many random men, then it's not surprising at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:22 PM
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I think men getting in for free would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:13 PM
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Sure, and people will hear the advice that says "just get a decent job" and wonder what that even means now. There might be transition phase going on now and people are still figuring it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:06 PM
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good career trajectory I don't think average people have that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:50 PM
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very strong instagram women will love It would be easier to just have AI generate photos for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:34 PM
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How is your hypothesis supposed to work if a tall guy gets rejected but a short guy does not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:45 PM
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It's still helping people, though. https://gitnux.org/body-positivity-movement-statistics/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:58 PM
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True, but see what happens if you tell that to women who complain about unrealistic beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:45 PM
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I think the problem is that they feel that they can't get the woman to say yes to their plans, not that they need to have plans at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:32 PM
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Almost everyone cares about N-Counts, illustrated by how virgins of both genders are treated with suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 04:37 PM
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Why is the man a mentally ill asshole if he rejects the friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:29 PM
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The attraction could have came after he became friends with her. Men can be attracted to personality, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:11 PM
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Sure, but someone continuing to be friends with someone else when they don't want to only makes things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:03 PM
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What if he doesn't get mad but ends the friendship anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:57 PM
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You're right. They should stop looking and approach instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:13 PM
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It's not a problem because there is no solution that doesn't involve coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 10:01 PM
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Why is your post only targeted towards bitter men? Bitter women behave the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:09 PM
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You just agreed with what I said, that a guy who works hard at his low wage job and stays there won't ever be seen as an ambitious person. Working hard is only valuable in this society if it gives you money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:53 PM
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ambition is synonymous with masculinity Not true at all. A guy who is ambitious in a low status, low-paying job will be seen as a chump unless he is trying to get a better job.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:07 PM
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it becomes about winning a numbers game. It is a numbers game, because most people will reject you along with there being certain behaviors that almost guarantee rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:00 PM
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Why not teach? Women with education degress are less likely to be childless. Men who want kids should become teachers and date teachers. Men will be able to have kids and satisfy OP's demand for altruism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 01:49 PM
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Its fairly obvious that a lot, if not most, of the men on ppd are autistic. You have no evidence and you aren't qualified to diagnose anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:08 PM
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Surveys of incels (not that much of PPD are incels) found 18 – 32% had an official Autism diagnosis This is not a majority, and it only applies to a fringe minority. You have no evidence that the majority of struggling men are autistic. Armchair psychology isn't going to reveal anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:05 PM
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Are women who complain about a lack of physical intimacy allowed to say they're lonely? Or are they just whiny too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:52 PM
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Are very unlikable. Unlikable carries a negative connotation. Where is the evidence that all the lonely people are doing something wrong? You think there are two different groups, right? But you don't know which is which unless you know them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:16 PM
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Just because they give up early doesn't mean that they're happy. They can remain unhappy while choosing to remain single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 04:36 PM
0

That's not compatible with the idea that women are better at forming friendships than men. Women can't be just socially lonely as men if they have more friends. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1m9uhsn/women_manage_feelings_of_loneliness_better/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 03:04 PM
0

Then how is there a loneliness epidemic that affects both genders? Are people just socially lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:55 PM
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The comments on the tiktok are racially charged. It's just a group of men who think they've found one of the "good ones."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 08:33 PM
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How does this work when so many bad and abusive men have no problem with approaching women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:41 PM
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Are you saying men can't be romantically lonely? Why can't men feel what's described here? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1m9uhsn/comment/n5aewja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:07 AM
2

Then you should approach more women. You can use the fact that you've been rejected so much to motivate yourself more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:34 PM
2

Yes, and the factors that affect men encourage antisocial behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:29 PM
0

There are social factors that only affect men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:26 PM
4

Purely socioeconomic factors. We can fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:21 PM
3

male violence Which is due to socioeconomic factors. We need to raise the wages for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:57 PM
1

Takes them months to hire people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:49 PM
1

I don't think a guy who can't make difficult decisions or defend his family will be good at showing his intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:47 PM
6

They are also condemned for being pushovers and for not being assertive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:42 PM
5

The guys who are probably going to be happier with their marriages today are going to be a lot closer to a golden retriever. They would be bad at working a dangerous job, or defending their family, or making tough decisions in a difficult environment. It sounds like you're telling men that they should be kind and have no backbone, which is what nice guys are condemned for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:34 PM
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Yeah, but those altruistic jobs require college degrees. Are lower paying, essential jobs that don't require a degree or education viewed that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:52 PM
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instead of apply for jobs There are jobs to apply for? In this economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:51 PM
4

without you thinking that makes it ok to objectify her People in this post were talking about how it's okay to objectify people if they consent to it: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1mdzvrt/people_who_moralize_around_sexual_objectification/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:03 AM
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Why do you need to give in to the pressure? Disagreeable, confident, and assertive people don't give in to the demands of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:44 AM
-1

Yeah, and you can just refuse to cooperate with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:25 AM
0

But if those women don't care what men think, why would they feel pressure from beauty standards that were created by men? Is it because other women enforce those standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:15 AM
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The desire to actively moralize age gaps and justify the constant targeting of them. That’s why such men are called creepy. Shouldn't have said that men who justify age gaps are creepy then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:24 PM
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Sounds like you're admitting that it's okay to seek out age gap relationships if both people make both an affrimative and informative decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:20 PM
1

By that logic, "guys who actively blabber about age gaps" aren't doing anything wrong if the woman is enthusiastic about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:10 PM
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There's nothing wrong with some people intentionally seeking out age gap relationships, at least according to a society that says anything goes as long as there's consent. You're going to have to change societal moral standards because your creep shaming isn't going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:56 PM
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If age gap relationships are detrimental to the younger person, then that person can't make a reasonable and informed choice about being in that relationship. It's why we don't allow people under 21 to drink alcohol, because they can't make an informed decision to drink it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:27 PM
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Sounds like they can't consent then. Raise the age of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:13 PM
0

It would be if the socioeconomic factors were accounted for. Solve men's issues, raise their wages, and the crime rate will go down significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:57 PM
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women are objectively less dangerous No, it is not "objectively" true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:54 PM
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Because conservative women don't conserve anything other than demanding that the man pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:12 PM
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So what? He's not really going to find out anything about you until a date happens. Do you think men should talk to women for months before asking them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:36 PM
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Doing a masculine thing doesn’t make it toxic masculinity. Saying that any behavior is "masculine" is toxic masculinity. All attempts at defining "healthy masculinity" have thrown out the concept of gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:23 PM
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women run a huge risk of being used as a placeholder chick Men who do approach can just as easily use women as placeholder chicks. I will need a peer-reviewed study from a prestigious university to be convinced otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:00 PM
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There are all kinds of women complaining about men using and abusing them, and these are men who approached them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:47 PM
1

No. I never said anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:35 PM
4

If men treat women who approach them badly, wouldn't women who are approached by men also be treated badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:28 PM
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The point is men complain about “but but she got horny for Chad!!!” Well Chad made her feel horny. By that logic, fat and unattractive women can't complain about how their counterparts are treated better by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:04 PM
1

It's not a problem because men can just keep trying and approaching until they find that one woman that treats them like "Chad."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:28 PM
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Everyone. All dating advice tells men that they must approach. It's like saying that women don't need to follow unrealistic beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:15 PM
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Why do you claim what those guys are doing is toxic? Only men are expected to do that. Behavior that is encouraged for only one gender is something that people have been criticizing in recent years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:58 PM
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Women don't have to approach, which is toxic masculinity and it isn't going away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:30 PM
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They do have to, because otherwise they will be alone. It's like saying that no one has to work. Yeah, no one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to work, but you'll starve with no income.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:23 PM
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Do women have to be that way too?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:46 PM
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That's a big claim. What does a "real" man look like then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:37 PM
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So it's because women would struggle to get what they want from the approaching? That's the same excuse men who don't approach give and they aren't taken seriously. So why are some gender roles okay but not others?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:35 PM
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Why do men have to approach? Isn't that the toxic masculinity that you complain about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:15 PM
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Who would their niche be? Hookers? Who are these women that consistently say yes to men who catcall and ask them out right away?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:08 AM
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You need 4, or 3 very good ones, or 2 exceptional ones. There are men who are exceptionally confident and assertive yet they are creepy because of the awkwardness they generate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:02 AM
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There’s not a single person, male or female, who looks worse by being in better shape. People were saying that this guy looks worse: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1kasjon/q4m_why_dont_men_believe_the_women_who_express/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:39 PM
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Saying that most men are unattractive is a waste of time for the same reasons when incels say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:26 PM
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70% of guys aren’t holistically attractive No. Men can just find a different woman. Your attempt to find the number of attractive people at any given moment is wasting everyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:05 PM
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You very rarely see non looksmatched couples. Slavic couples don't worry about being "looksmatched". And there are plenty of these couples in America as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:36 PM
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They can’t all be settling. The ones who are worried about staying in their "league" are. There is no value in deny yourself opportunities. It can even hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:27 PM
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They probably hit on everyone, and don’t understand why it’s not working. It does work, it is the only strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:54 PM
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You can't force anyone to do anything. There is no solution that doesn't involve coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:32 PM
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Women are at least trying to find equals but are struggling. That's not a problem that needs to be solved, because nobody has time to worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:57 PM
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There's nothing wrong with overestimating your attractiveness as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:06 PM
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I dont know why do people seem to make this specific topic of attraction so complex. Because reddit always talks about how they know some short ugly dude who gets all the women because he's funny and confident. Men want to be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:47 PM
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Yet men still have to approach them. How are they going to dismantle patriarchy when they can't even approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:15 PM
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Or you can just vibe with them and see if there's chemistry Anti social shut ins won't be able to generate chemistry. Your advice only applies to people who are already successful at socializing in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:34 PM
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You can socialize online through social media, discord etc Sure, but the only strategies you can apply are messaging random women and messaging women after you participated in a post or discussion. I don't see how this is more efficient than approaching in real life and I've never heard of a guy who got a bunch of dates this way. Reddit has a bunch of dating subreddits that will almost always yield some female interests if you can write an ad This is the same as using a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:57 PM
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I can tell you from experience, it's definitely a hell of a lot easier to get female attention online than from normie beckies and stacies irl. Could you explain how? Only advice I've seen for online dating says to have a top-tier profile and game. If you know how to get successful dates without doing that, I think you should tell everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:37 PM
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Men who aren't confident and assertive are socially rejected by almost everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 08:40 PM
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Yes, and that means that you can't shame men into doing what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:08 PM
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Not really because many people in relationships don't meet any of the "growing standards." That's why it's not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:39 PM
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Why is it a lie? When men do things that they don't want to do because someone else told them to, they're called doormats and pushovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:18 PM
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but really they will in order to have sex with you if you say no I've never heard of this, I've only heard that men get mad after rejection and try to push or coerce the woman into doing what he wants. If you're referring to my use of the word "negotiate," then I am saying that men will try to get people to their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:57 PM
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Men are incentivized when you give them what they want. If you refuse to give them what they want, they may try to negotiate, but they won't cooperate with your demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:48 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "develop." Self improvement is neither necessary nor sufficient for getting women and many men will be left demoralized after trying and failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:41 PM
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Women: Calls out toxic masculinity "Healthy" masculinity is toxic too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:05 PM
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then they need to develop themselves in order to meet their growing standards This sounds like blackpill doomerism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:08 PM
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Reddit says that men struggle because they aren't kind and are bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:03 PM
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You are admitting that goodness isn't necessary for attraction, because relationships aren't as rare as good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:47 PM
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But they are rare. I want to know if you think that good women are rare too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:13 PM
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Unless you're introduced by someone else, you're a stranger no matter where you approach, meaning that the success rate will still be "low".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:34 PM
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build an acquaintanceship and then ask them out after a period of time One-way ticket to the friendzone unless you flirt with them in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:34 PM
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Yes, you can generate photorealistic ai photos of yourself in places you've never been to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:21 PM
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Guys who say that they have rich and high status lifestyles, usually by lying and using fake photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:12 PM
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I guess it is if you ignore the fact that tinder swindler types have the most success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:01 PM
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No time to worry about that since women don't approach men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:50 PM
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Plenty of men get women for free and want it to stay that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:36 PM
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They do have control since they're the only ones that approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:34 PM
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Please explain what healthy masculinity is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:01 PM
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Those dudes aren't grinding to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:37 AM
1

Plenty of poor and uneducated people have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:22 AM
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Nothing stopping a man from approaching anyway. Why should anyone listen to this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:32 PM
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Being pragmatic would mean approaching more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:54 PM
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Calls himself "White Pill Man" and posts defeatist shit like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:52 PM
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Getting doxxed on a shitty vibe-coded app is no big deal apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:15 PM
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Sounds like that dreaded toxic masculinity that you people complain about, since I don't see you telling women to approach men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:14 PM
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Plenty of immature people in relationships. It means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:45 PM
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Nah, average women have the same experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:43 PM
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You think just making small talk will make women attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:42 PM
5

Oh, really? What should they grow into?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:39 PM
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Most men want a top 20% woman yet so many women complain about their inbox being full.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:34 PM
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Why do men have to approach, miss blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:57 PM
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Men who say that they're lonely because they don't have a romantic relationship are told by redditors that they can solve their issue by seeking friendship with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:38 PM
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Women are just as lonely as men but they have better social connections at the same time? How can you say that you're lonely when you actually have good relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:29 PM
1

What does it mean to be in tact educationally and economically? Having a degree and job that the other person likes?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:00 PM
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How exactly does Tumblr encourage people to meet each other? How is it any better than a hobby group or a meetup event?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:00 AM
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It would if they were to show it too soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:14 PM
2

Someone can just dismiss these examples by saying that these men pretend to be good before they reveal their abusive nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:06 PM
6

Why should a man buy her a drink?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:48 PM
2

Wait, are we really criticizing job hopping now? Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:43 PM
5

What is a misogynist persona? Are you mean to women that you just met or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:27 PM
2

And they somehow still get relationships, which disproves the idea that you definitely need self love before having a relationship. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:57 PM
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By that logic, much of the US population clearly don't love themselves because of how obese they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:44 PM
2

How do you know that your standards aren't unrealistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:49 PM
1

No such thing as "dating market value."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:12 PM
3

And why is this bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:07 PM
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You sound like a blackpiller, and you completely contradict the idea that men will find more success if they are confident. Worrying about this stupid idea of a market will tank your confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:49 PM
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"I haven't seen them yet, so they don't exist."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:09 AM
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I'm saying if you believe one, then you must believe the other. You literally just said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:34 PM
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How exactly does someone thinking that women engage in similar rates of deviancy imply that they also think that women are a hivemind?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:26 PM
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Goomba fallacy. Two different groups of men are saying these things until you prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:17 PM
2

Nothing wrong with overrating your attractiveness since it makes you more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:41 PM
1

Men ignoring their urge to flirt with and hit on women will do more harm than good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:26 PM
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What's wrong with going to these places just to hit on women? It's a nonissue if you're sucessful and if you're unsucessful, just find new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:21 PM
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So how do you differentiate those people from the lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:51 PM
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Do you share that same attitude for women who give up on trying to date men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:33 PM
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Outside of approaching more, it's really unhealthy to go into the dating world with a "work ethic."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:17 PM
2

Liberal men don't do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:05 AM
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That because you were able to do it that means it's somehow easy to befriend complete strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:49 AM
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So? That doesn't refute anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:44 AM
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No. The OP suggested that you can just simply socialize and find success. It's noticeably harder to socialize when no one knows you at all. OP failed to mention that caveat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:50 PM
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Where are you getting the idea that there are all these social outlets that are eager to include men who are by themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:27 PM
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If left wing men know their place in life, then what is that place? How were they able to figure out what "true" masculinity is?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:44 PM
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The distinction between kindness and niceness is irrelevant, because you won't have a situation where you even can stand up for yourself most of the time. At least when you're meeting new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:37 PM
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No argument. Don't know what's hard to understand when most of the population is overweight, obese, and diabetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:22 PM
0

Why do people struggle with dating? Is it because they're too "negative?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:58 PM
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No, people have issues with dating and their mental health because they are malnourished from their diets. Not because they just happen to be "neurodivergent" and leave mean reddit comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:55 PM
1

And what exactly has this research revealed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:53 PM
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Armchair psychology. You have provided no evidence for any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:27 PM
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They still aren't respected even if they work a low-wage job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:56 PM
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Plenty of rich people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:48 PM
1

Are you going to give an example of what these "right things" to say are?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:27 PM
1

Yes, because being a slave for your boss is so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:11 PM
1

Man-made rules that vary from culture to culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:25 PM
2

Answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:42 PM
3

What do you mean by "grow up"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:10 PM
3

Politics don't matter because it's socially awkward to bring up politics unless you know the person very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:45 PM
1

Hitting on and flirting don't require any comments on their appearance. And you can flirt with her while getting to know to her at the same time. Why do you think men shouldn't hit on random women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:43 PM
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Sure they can discard what many women are saying and approach everywhere. There will just be an influx of even more women complaining about being hit on all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:33 PM
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A lot of women on this website are saying the complete opposite: that you should only approach in designated social places.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:27 PM
1

Yet not ever man with high T is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:04 PM
1

Men following their natural primal instincts would be completely direct about their intentions, they would not flirt or worry about asking women out on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 09:21 PM
1

"Primal hunter instincts" go against modern day dating rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 09:16 PM
2

What determines if someone deserves these things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:05 PM
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Money may not guarantee happiness, but it is still necessary to be happy in today's world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:29 PM
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Those are the things that will improve a man's mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:25 PM
3

I guess men are lonely because they don't want to starve to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:54 PM
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How is any of that going to help men make more money and have meaningful relationships with the opposite sex? Women already do what you mentioned and many of them still have issues with income and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:44 PM
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So what are these solutions for men's issues that you're speaking of?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:36 PM
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Therapy isn't going to help you make more money
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:50 PM
1

Maybe. But a lot of men who try to achieve these vague platitudes will just become bitter and entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:33 PM
1

So you think it's easier for men to seduce women now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:37 PM
2

Wait, why is having a graduate degree so important
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:18 PM
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These are all subjective, unless you can name the objective ways of becoming interesting, handsome, and cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:49 PM
5

What exactly are these traits
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:44 PM
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In what way is it getting easier? Elaborate please.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:34 PM
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This would only make sense if the vast majority of men in relationships had all these traits. Plenty of them don't. Also, why do you insist on shaming struggling men so much, op?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:32 PM
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How is therapy supposed to help a depressed broke dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:25 PM
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Yet not having any fear doesn't automatically mean that you'll have any success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 06:38 PM
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By this logic you should never ask women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 07:30 PM
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