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Fair question. Thank you. Here's how I see thing (may I be right or wrong about it, I'm not sufficiently informed to know for sure, but I don't have 2000 hours and the energy to research to topic enough to make sure). Misandrists in academia and adjacent fields make sure to maintain the presence of terminology that can be used through equivocation to oppress/attack men and confer privileges on women. Namely, mostly: "Patriarchy". Another big one is "Toxic Masculinity" but it gets complicated bec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 02:38 PM
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You're the one starting the lexical debate. I'm the one trying to bring it back to the real world. The mainstream understanding of the feminist message is exactly as what OP has presented, regardless of the words he chose to use to do so. It is what is reflected in institutional policies for calls for equal representation of men and women in high earning positions and positions of authority as well as well as the treatment of students accused of sexual misbehavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 01:37 PM
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Except that we do know that the choice of words, especially gendered words can have a massive impact on public perception and from there on institutional policy. And that's exactly what we're seeing. Public policy that severely disadvantages men and fails to accommodate their needs because academia (and I dare say) deliberately chooses to use verbiage that paints men as both the culprits and benefactors of the ills of society regardless of what they claim these words are supposed to mean. And yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 01:24 PM
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While I agree that the "claim that Patriarchy hurts men too" should be seen as a blatant attempt by misandrists to recruit men to contribute to their own oppression. It's not a rare tactic. In fact, it is always used. Here is a website that shows even Karl Marx claimed that capitalism ultimately hurts the capitalists themselves. Commanding Heights : Marx's Analysis of Capitalism | on PBS Commoditization As his profits shrink, each capitalist will redouble his efforts to put new laborsaving, cost…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 01:20 PM
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I wonder if a big source of the problem is academia. The democrats try to be very data and science driven and academia has been extremely biased on the gender question for the last few decades. But because academia is the left's means of forming a consensus they end up pushing an anti-male agenda. It's also a vicious cycle because academia will keep feeding them justification for why <anything> is more justification for more women focused intervention. AKA: Kamala losing is just more proof that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:35 AM
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That really sucks. I'm sorry that happened to you. I wasn't trying to make it seem like being a good judge of character was something that's easy to do. It's not. And even if you do get good at it, you're still not that good at it, you can be wrong a lot. What I'm trying to convey is that when you're in a situation where you have very little social power, you should look for practical and realistic ways to get some power back. Articles like these give you an illusion of power, but I feel like th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 02:22 AM
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If I was a black man in 1950s Alabama If you're a black man in 1950s Alabama, you gtfo. And if you can't, it sure is in your best interest to become a good judge of character and find yourself some white allies. I know from personal experience that there are some environment that are more "#metoo" than others. And if you're in one of those environments you should consider finding someplace else (if you can afford it). If you can't, being vindictive isn't going to protect you, being a good judge …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/21 11:55 PM
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Honestly, articles like these seem kinda vindictive to me. Two wrongs don't make a right. Most women aren't inclined to falsely accuse men or cause them harm in any way. It's is important to protect yourself from sociopaths of all kinds and this is only one of many ways people can get to you. Especially in the workplace. This is no different. Learn to be a good judge of character, be careful of who you can trust and protect yourself from those you can't. But don't punish people for your inabilit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/21 11:13 PM
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I'd recommend not posting this. Like other people say, it doesn't line up with your other posts. Also, I'm pretty sure that this is not the way to "attack" someone's identity. There are Christians who don't even believe that Jesus was a prophet, he was just some guy worth listening to. People will twist themselves into a pretzel in order not to lose their identity. People who are ready to let go of feminism will do it on their own when they're ready. There's plenty enough anti-feminist content o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/21 11:28 PM
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Ok, I'm sorry for putting you on the spot. I have this theory that in around the 10 years 2010-2020 feminists have been pushing very hard the messaging that feminism about equality for both men and women. So one could hypothesize that a new generation might just accept that message at face value, run with it, but create their own gender equal philosophical framework that runs counter to the older more mainstream feminism. If you'd like to elaborate please do. But until you do, I'll just have to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 10:48 PM
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Serious questions: Where did your feminist friends learn about feminism? Do your feminist friends believe that some, many or most countries in the world operate under a social system of patriarchy, where most women are oppressed to the benefit of most men? Do your feminist friends believe that, in the past (industrial age, renaissance, medieval age, antiquity) women have been far more oppressed than men? Do your feminist friends unironically use the term "toxic masculinity"? I'm really intereste…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 09:43 PM
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I don't understand CringeCaptain1's response to you. It seems, at least to me, that you understood the claims he's making. But he also included supporting evidence for his claim. And you just reject his claim without providing any evidence of your own or refuting any of his supporting evidence. And that's a little strange.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 05:36 PM
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First, that's almost entirely false. Second, it is enough for the social norm to be that both sexes be treated equally fairly for the law to be written without any sexual discrimination. You don't need to entirely do away with gender norms to make that happen. Which like I said, can't be done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/21 03:53 AM
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Dismantling gender roles in a social and interpersonal context is impossible. It's embedded in our genetics. Men and women will always be treated differently. Removing gender roles from the law and institutions aka, eliminating systemic gender based discrimination is what we're trying to achieve.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/21 01:32 AM
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Hey, how are you doing? I'm a bit worried that you haven't answered anyone. I don't think reddit is a good place at all for people to get help. Making good friends is the most important thing. Especially when the thing you feel like you need the most is a girlfriend, that's when you actually need friends the most. Work on finding good friends first, then find the girlfriend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/21 02:46 AM
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The reason that the feminist media attacked Cassie Jaye so hard is because of how effective this movie is. It approaches the topic from a perspective of empathy which practically no other men's rights platform has done. If neither logic based justice nor empathy works on her, then she's a sociopath and OP needs to get far far away from her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/21 04:19 PM
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I disagree. It's not hierarchy, it's meritocracy. At the extreme left, the philosophy is "from each according to ability to each according to need". The reality is that men are more productive than women. That philosophy turns men into slaves. Meritocracy is the opposite: "for each, fair return on their productivity". This is still anti-hierarchy, which has resources bubbling up the hierarchy so that those at the bottom produce far more than they consume and those at the top consume far more tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/21 03:48 PM
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men's lib has a thing that practically no other men's spaces seems to have: empathy. So I can understand wanting stay around there for that. And I whish there was more of it here. But I can't help because to be frank, I'm a bit empathy deficient. But I want to caution you about the feminist "misandry pipeline". Just the same as there is a men's rights alt-right pipeline. There is a "misandry pipeline" that works like this: First they teach you empathy. Humans are naturally inclined to have a lot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 02:22 PM
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I'm always suspicious of advocates that focus on soft issues. Like men being allowed to cry, show feminine emotions or express themselves in feminine ways. But people who raise them often seem to imply that male behaviors and attitudes are toxic. Like men's preference for competition, boisterous behavior and stoicism. When really the message should be, every man is unique and should be able to express themselves however they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. What's more, even that lat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 02:06 PM
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You can't have real men's advocacy without a base that has rejected feminism. People who still believe feminist lies and half truth will keep holding us back. Second, big organizations that truely support men are extremely hard to create because they opposed both the neo-lib and neo-con philosophical naratives. Big organizations require people to work full time on the topic and still earn a decent living. The neo-cons offer a platform for those who contribution to the "alt-right" pipeline (which…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 11:38 AM
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When UN Women makes a tweet about violence against women, when world wide, violence against men is a worse problem than violence against women, and there is no UN Men. Then we most certainly do have a legitimate claim for "what about men?". "What about men?" happens when there is an issue that affects women that gathers a lot of institutional support when there exist the same or similar issue that affects men even worse. "what about men?" is a legitimate complaint to make in many circumstances.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/20 01:10 AM
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Honestly, I think the real problem is that most men's rights advocacy platforms have been overtaken by right wing propaganda. It seeks to redirect efforts to achieve men's liberation into promoting "traditional masculinty" (traditional masculinity is in quote here because it is NOT in actuality traditional, it is a constructed neo-conservative form of masculinity intended to transform men into economic workforces of the capitalist class). And what you've noticed is the tactic they use to achieve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/20 12:25 AM
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What's shocking is how much of it is worthy of /r/selfawarewolf ​ We need to help young men from feeling disenfranchised and educate them As well, we need to deplatform far right people Seriously, back-to-back: Men feel disenfranchised. Also, let's disenfranchise them more. What really irritates me is that I almost didn't notice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 03:54 PM
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I don't remember the details. But Andrew Yang ran for democratic presidential nominee and got pretty far. I believe that in the beginning he spoke about young boys and men explicitly. But ended up whitewashing it, so there does seem to be political pressure to sweep it under the rug, but I don't know where that pressure comes from (interest groups, people's perception or both). Regardless, even after he stop referring explicitly to men and men's issues as men's issues. His arguments centered on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/20 11:24 AM
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Cis men can't fully understand what struggles cis men have. I am only one person, why would I necessarily understand another cis man better than you? Personally, I don't mind your use of the term ally. But MMDT's point makes sense to me. It is divisive, it seems to imply that your status is somehow lesser because of who you are. I whish I had a list to copy paste but here's several of the issues off the top of my head: - Unfair treatment at all levels of the law (everything BLM tells you about h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 12:37 PM
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They also both use rhetoric based on words. What's your point? Labeling feminism as Marxists is a tell tale of someone trying to shift a left wing gender rights egalitarian towards right wing ideology. They'll say look, this left wing feminism is clearly unjust and predatory, and it's because of all of this marxist stuff. So forget about all the oppression stuff and start worrying about these other things like people not wanting to conform to gender roles and other people who have it even worse …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/20 09:41 PM
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We're not at that point there. And when we're there, I assure you "they" won't be leaving population control up to a few people deciding that they're lgbtq. It's also important to understand that as much as "the 1%" like to exploit the rest of the 99% they worry about each other just as much as they worry about the 99%. If or when the robot armies come, they'll be too worried about the other guy's robot army to pay any attention to what's going with the 99%.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 05:28 PM
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Yes, it's a fad. Because in many social circles it is now cool to be queer. But all the population control conspiracy is completely unsubstantiated. There is no overpopulation problem in the west. In fact there is the risk of underpopulation as the demographics start to be top heavy with too few young people to support the old people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 04:11 PM
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Can't you just go vent in /r/mensrights? I do agree that venting should be kept to a minimum here. And it does seem like it is working, when you compare it to /r/mensrights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/20 06:25 PM
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Because elections are coming up and reddit is getting astroturfed to hell and back. Every upvote is probably worth $10, every comment worth $500.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/20 11:08 PM
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Meanwhile, the right started radicalizing all the youtubers didn't jump on the neo-lib bandwagon into racist bigots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/20 11:06 PM
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New Atheism? Is that what Atheism + turned into? Way back when anti-atheism was rising in popularity and people were starting to make sense. So the propaganda machines and think tanks swooped in, and the liberals invented Atheism + and the conservatives started funding and "helping" (by feeding them bigoted talking points) those who refused to join. And then nobody was talking any sense anymore, it was all bullshit and propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/20 11:05 PM
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I don't understand why people on this thread can't seem to tell difference between leftist philosophy and neo-liberalism. Leftism is anti-war, pro-male, pro-worker's rights, pro-civil rights. Neo-liberalism is pro-war, anti-male, anti-worker's rights and pretends to care about civil rights but diverts resources intended for it towards feminism and women. The right wing is pro-war, anti-male AND anti-female, anti-worker's rights and is proud to hate civil-rights. But people on this thread are try…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/20 11:01 PM
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No it's not. This is starting to feel like some rightwing poisoning of the well shit. Civil rights is men's rights. And the right, especially the american right are completely obliterating civil rights right now, and it's going to get banana republic scary with another term of trump. I am so damn glad not to be in the US anymore because it's getting scary as hell over there and if Trump wins they're f*cked. And they'll necessarily take Canada down with them. And the UK is eager to throw itself d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 10:21 PM
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Dude, what the hell are you talking about? You make all sorts of wild generalized claims with absolutely nothing to back it up. Then we swarm you with counter examples, and you pick one of them and say, well that one is a notable exception. Ignore everything else, and go right back to your original, flawed, sexist perspective. At this point, I'm going that have to ask that you backup your wild claims with hard facts. And I don't mean one off anecdotes, I mean comprehensive statistics, 'cause we'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 10:14 PM
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Guess my point is that you'll never find a real right wing MRA because right wing politicians trample on human rights, mens included. If you're looking for someone who treats men's and women's rights on equal terms, I guess Trump would be it, the closest thing to a right wing MRA you can have. Ok, so maybe I'm a bit facetious here. The best example of an MRA elected official I know of is Philip Davies of the UK parliament. And he is a conservative. I don't know much about him beyond that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 09:17 PM
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I must be old. Looks like it was repealed a couple of years ago: https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.html
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 07:20 PM
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I looked into that sub ages ago. I read the side bar rules. And among the rules was something about how words we use should be well defined so that we refer to the same concepts when using those words. So I looked into what was supposed to be the definition of patriarchy and oh boy was that a rabbit hole. It just kept linking to a maze of discussion threads. They couldn't come up with one because however they defined it, either feminists would have to obviously concede that the patriarchy does n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 07:13 PM
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Trudeau is spearheading efforts to convert almost all foreign aid to be geared only towards helping women. That means no more foreign aid for men. I honestly don't understand where you go the idea that male politicians aren't as feminists as women are. Right wing anything is the furthest thing from being benign to men. They kill men through work stress, work fatalities, foreign wars, bad healthcare, general lack of compassion. Men are still much better off with a left wing feminist than a right …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 07:04 PM
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Ok, I may have exaggerated a bit. But it was pretty bad. It led to academic kangaroo courts that made it so men would get kicked of university based on an accusation of sexual misconduct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 06:57 PM
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I'm anti-feminist and I think you'll find that most male politicians are super feminists and there are many female politicians that are on the right, so while they don't do much for men's rights, they're not doing much for female supremacy either. The Dear Colleague letter was an Obama invention and is one of the most harmful things to have happened to men in the US. I think presenting men's rights as an issue of men vs women is doing everyone a disservice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 06:47 PM
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That's what I said. Although "right wing ideology" is overly broad, it would be more like the ideology presented by right wing politicians and media. Basically, ideas that goes against the elite's ability to exploit workers don't get funding and get deplatformed. Places where ideas can spread without getting deplatformed get astroturfed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/20 08:54 PM
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Is one of my lesser substantiated theories. But yes, I do think so. Hypergamy means that women lookup only towards men how rank high both in economic and social status. Right wing ideology is designed to defuse the frustrations of those men with sub-par economic status. Feminist ideology is designed to defuse the frustrations of those men with sub-par social status. Both use the same tactic: they turn the blame inwards. Don't blame society for being in the bottom 80%, blame yourself. If men star…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/20 11:24 AM
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There are more fundamental forces at play that will always find a way to manifest themselves. Namely: hypergamy and the empathy gap. These are built into our DNA. Awareness of these facts leads to hyper competitiveness among men which destabilizes society. I think this last effect is why feminism gets so much funding. It helps keep society stable. I'm definitely veering into conspiracy theory here. But my expectation is that "they" will keep trying to slow down the raising of awareness of men's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/20 10:25 PM
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You expect women to heal you of your insecurities and this is a selfish burden that you are attempting to put on them To be fair, a therapist is best to solve those issues, not a partner. A partner isn't a therapist. To be really fair, I was strawmaning Men's Lib pretty hard there. They have their good moments. However I wan't clear about what I was accusing Men's Lib of generally doing. This portrayal of Men's Lib wasn't there to imply that the r/MensLib position that having a person expect the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/20 04:07 AM
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The anti-corporate message was obvious. But I hadn't made the link between cops and the sups. I really like the show. The thing I'm noticing now is how the power of a corporation can at the very least rival, if not overshadow, the godlike powers of Hollander. Almost anything Hollander can do, a corporation can do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/20 12:18 AM
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First, if you're working off the definition of feminism that goes something like "feminism is the radical belief that women and men should have equal rights" then we have a very different understanding of what feminism is and what it does. And for the purpose of us understanding each other it would be easier (even if not entirely accurate) for you to assume that when I mention feminism, I speak of "female supremacy ideology". it's anti-feminist to suggest women can be mindless super-human racial…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/20 11:23 PM
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You're absolutely right, male misandrists are just as big a problem as female misandrists. And I do think that there are some who lean more to the right that would like to believe that it isn't so, and that the problem is a male vs female problem. However, even on the /r/mensrights subreddit, the general attitude of nearly every MRA I see is that male misandrists being a thing is so obvious that it doesn't merit much discussion. Your long posts seem to imply more than that, not just that male mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/20 11:27 AM
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If you want to break the circle jerk you have to respond to Enzi42's response and explain how you can maintain your position in light of the damage that's being caused by such slogans. Because if you can't then you and the person you're responding to are the ones circle jerking eachother. Not us. We let people come here with alternative perspectives and we explain why they're wrong. We're not allowed in feminist spaces to explain our perspectives because it would break their circle jerk the unwa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/20 05:37 PM
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As for the economic part, the short answer is that no, it won't really increase prices because that's not how things have been setup. All well functioning economies have a central bank that manages the money supply. In the United States, that's the Federal Reserve. There's a few things in their toolbox they can use to increase or decrease the amount of money in circulation. If prices go up, they decrease the amount of money in circulations and the prices go back down. And vice versa. So if we us…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/20 02:08 PM
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A guy in his thirties should look for a girl in her mid to late twenties. A guy who starts looking in his forties has almost missed the boat. That's where I'm at. Don't do that. You have to get started in your twenties but don't set your expectations too high because you're at a disadvantage. But still try anyway, if you're exceptionally good looking/charismatic/charming/mature you'll do great. And even if you're not you can still get lucky. But having realistic expectations, and the knowledge t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/20 11:34 AM
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Women, generally, prefer older men. Women, generally, care less about age than men. Men, generally, prefer younger women. Men, generally, care more about age than women. So, at 23 is pretty much where it's at the worst. You're competing against men of all ages, for women who generally prefer men that are older than you. Add some hypergamy to that and you're screwed. You could go for older women, or become more tolerant of women who are hoping for someone better than you but "settle" for you. Bus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/20 08:57 AM
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Where are these funds coming from?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/20 05:36 PM
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We need to up our game. Because there are a lot of smart feminists out there. And if you're not ready for the strongest arguments, then you're never going to be able to leave the echochamber. Privileges that I imagine that feminists would claim that men have lost and "are the reason why men become MRA's": - Sexually harass women with impunity - Rape women with impunity - Get promoted to managerial position despite there being a more capable woman for the job - Social and intellectual encourageme…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/20 12:53 PM
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Props to you. This is badly needed. I've long been of the opinion that feminism is a diversion tactic of the bourgeoisie to make us forget about the economic aspects of the civil rights. Meanwhile the men's rights movement has been infiltrated by the "alt-right" pipeline trying to coerce us towards racism (e.g. Sargon of Akkad) or towards traditional gender roles (e.g. Jordan Peterson) which can be (depending on circumstances and the individual) very harmful to men. Either way, the bourgeoisie b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/20 11:59 AM
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That's because it's true. Conservative don't fight that hard against money spent on women. But they will fight tooth and nail to stop any money from getting to men who need it. So if there's a problem that affects almost only women, it's easy to find money for it. But if it affects everyone, or even worse, if it affects almost only men, then it's impossible to get government funding for it.
/r/MensRights18/08/20 08:09 PM
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Read this horror: https://postmeritocracy.org/ A couple years ago, pretty much all major open source projects were forced to adopt Code of Conducts based on that ideology. Conspiracy theorist me thinks that it is part of a widespread coup by big tech to grab and maintain control of open source projects with the help of feminist organisations.
/r/MensRights18/08/20 02:26 PM
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It's like conservatives and feminists got in a room and came to a compromise. You want to screw over men and we want to screw over the poor? Why not both!
/r/MensRights18/08/20 11:47 AM
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Not necessarily. The 'A' student, seeing that their talent in that field is getting recognized and valued, double their interest in the field. The 'C' student, seeing that they are hopelessly behind no matter how hard they try, give up, and start looking elsewhere where their talents are recognized.
/r/MensRights18/08/20 11:24 AM
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A private video showing identifiable information (the person's face) doesn't belong on reddit. One that portrays the person poorly without sufficient context makes it even worse. It's not rocket science. At this point people who can't figure it out, don't want to figure it out and are just as bad as #metoo lynch mobs.
/r/MensRights13/08/20 07:11 AM
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No I didn't. I'm saying we have no idea what's going on and there's an out of context video of someone who can't defend themselves on the front page of /r/mensrights being portrayed as an abuser with no real proof. And even if there was proof, it still doesn't justify showing her face on reddit like this. Reddit is not the forum for judging the guilt or innocence of abusers. We have courts of law for that.
/r/MensRights12/08/20 11:14 PM
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I am anti-feminist. Which part of why I am also anti-lynch mob. Why are you pro-lynch mob. What's wrong with you?
/r/MensRights12/08/20 10:46 PM
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She's in her room, she's asking him to leave. He refuses to leave and starts recording her. Abuse is more than just punching and kicking, it's a pattern of behavior. Amber Herd trying to knock down the bathroom door while he's hiding from her in there is pretty strong evidence of abuse. This video is not strong evidence of abuse, he's instigating the fight by being in her bedroom and refusing to leave. More context would be required. Is her request for him to leave unreasonable (e.g. it's his be…
/r/MensRights12/08/20 10:30 PM
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They haven't yet learned from american feminist sites that automatically block all comments on their propaganda pieces.
/r/MensRights12/08/20 05:23 PM
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I'm not going to go into detail. But this really doesn't look like strong evidence of her abusing you. Second, this is essentially doxing and needs to be taken down asap.
/r/MensRights12/08/20 04:18 PM
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I understand where you're coming. If you're in a heavily feminist environment merely trying (and failing) to understand men's issues is revolutionary. But contrapoints really does fail to present men's issues. Girlwriteswhat does an amazing job of explaining how here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d61ihk/karen_straughan_schools_contrapoints_on_mens/
/r/MensRights05/08/20 07:11 PM
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Here's many reasons why: Women like to believe that their attraction to men is based on something intrinsic. Those men were born that way. Attempting to appear as attractive when you weren't born that way is perceived as a sever kind of deception. TRP shows one effective way to woe women. There are other competing methods, some of these work better when there are no TRPers around to compete with. Those men strongly oppose TRPers and related philosophy and will work hard to poison the well (don't…
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:33 AM
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Companies are extremely inefficient in a wide variety of ways. So there's definitely room to be inefficient "wage gap" wise and still be competitive. I'm not saying that the wage gap is real. I'm just saying that your argument isn't that strong.
/r/MensRights03/08/20 08:20 AM
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They would have objected to it before "toxic masculinity" became mainstream. Now that toxic masculinity is mainstream. They will give lip service to support of the use of toxic femininity, knowing full well that it will never go mainstream. But this lets them keep the "high ground" and avoid the blatant double standard. And even then, where their interpretation of toxic masculinity is a long list of behaviors tend to empower men. They will try to present toxic femininity as behavior that empower…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/20 05:51 PM
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I like Vaush, but he is clearly severely biased when it comes to gender issues. Almost all of his other videos are heavily fact based. But his "toxic femininity" video is practically all opinion. And he basically shits on traditional femininity just the same as feminists and men's lib shit on traditional masculinity. Neither is inherently "toxic". I have seen him occasionally bring up men's issues. But there's something incoherent with the way he brings it up. It's not commensurate to the import…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/20 03:26 AM
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IMO, the whole point of this subreddit is to avoid war mentality. Gender rights is just one subset of human rights. Anti-male oppression in the western world is very small compared to the growing threat fascism. This whole gender war mentality is just going to race us straight to fascism and with fascism, we're all fucked. Men will be dead and women will be sex slaves. There is no victory there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/20 02:15 AM
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I agree that the vast majority of prominent MRAs are right wing. I don't understand everything involved. But it seems to me that to be properly prominent, you need a platform. And, I don't understand why, but it looks like you need the right or left political institution to support you in order to be platformed. Today, the left political institutions aren't actually leftists, they're actually quite authoritarian and anti egalitarian on many fronts. And they are actively fighting to deplatform MR…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/20 09:46 AM
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Social conservative ideology is inherently hierarchical for men and somewhat less so for women. This leaves off the vast majority of men as oppressed. I recently watched some very old video of american black civil rights activists explain it. The republicans are openly oppressive, while the democrats says they're your friend but they lie and still wind up oppressing you anyway. ​ But let's be clear here. Left wing ideology if implemented without hypocrisy will end all oppression against men, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/20 09:37 AM
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Unfortunately, if this subreddit gets big, I think we can't afford to be completely liberal with moderation policy. /r/mensrights has shown what happens when you do that. When the subreddit becomes big enough it becomes ground zero for astroturf campaigns.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/20 07:37 PM
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And yet tons of girls swoon over "Emo" guys. I think there is something to what you're saying but it is a hell of a lot more nuanced than you make it seem. Emotions as a sexually attractive characteristic has been completely ignored by "Red Pillers" it seems and as a result a lot of men seem to have forgotten how effective it is. Not all emotions are equal in terms of attractiveness and timing and manner of expression matters a lot too. A lot of women who are asking for men to "get in touch with…
/r/MensRights28/06/20 10:34 PM
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I agree with the sentiment but I think that a "school PUA" would be problematic for a couple of reasons. The first and more PC reason is that a lot of people are very dogmatic and fanatical about what the proper way to do romance and flirting is. Frankly, I'm pretty sure that this is one of the fundamental divides between conservatives and liberals, they just never mention it explicitly. So you're going to have a lot of difficulty getting a PUA that isn't going to enrage this or that parent. The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 05:36 PM
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Men's ability to flirt with and ultimately have sex with women is critical to the well-being of the majority of men. So I certainly think that the topic is relevant. The human mind is extremely flexible. Any adversity can be dealt with by just accepting it and getting over it. This is very important because all of us want things that are very important to us but can never have because of circumstances outside our control. And this is the real secret to happiness. Just appreciate what you have an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 05:31 PM
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It's a very special kind of documentary. Honestly, it's more of an art project than a documentary. With herself as the subject. But you did nail it on the head, I think. The main message of that art is to showcase empathy for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 09:36 PM
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I really like that the honey badgers exist but they are unwatchable. I'm not going to spend 3 hours to listen to them ramble on and on and on. Instead I spent 2 hours writing a wall of text almost nobody will read... Ok, I'm not much better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 09:33 PM
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The primary message of "The Red Pill" movie is this: Men deserve and need empathy. Feminists have no empathy for men. I (Cassie Jaye) now have empathy for men and therefore, I am no longer a feminist. There's a lot of secondary points, and one hidden message. The secondary points are all there to support the main message of the movie. The first part of the primary message (men deserve and need empathy) shouldn't even require supporting evidence but brainwashing from feminism has made it necessar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 09:25 PM
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It's a role reversal of the more common analogy: A women who has sex with a lot of men is like a lock that any key can unlock. A man who has sex with a lot of women is like a key that can unlock many locks.
/r/AntiFeminists15/06/20 11:45 AM
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Because the propaganda machine wants men's rights to be a radical right wing movement and feminism to be a radical left wing movement. And then, while we're fighting over who should or should not be allowed to go in which bathroom, everyone's rights and money gets stolen away.
/r/MensRights13/06/20 10:26 AM
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I never said that the majority of the userbase here is alt-right. It's impossible to tell. Too much astroturfing. But the context here is that we're in the middle of a national protest that happened in response to police officers murdering a black man in broad daylight (I assume that the police thought the man was probably not going to die, but it's still murder) while being filmed. And here, I see white supremacist talking points being promoted and upvoted and people like me trying to point tha…
/r/MensRights04/06/20 02:52 PM
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I'd like to warn you that you're falling down the alt-right rabbit hole. I believe you're arguing with genuine racists and risk having your world view warped. I suggest you come find us over at /r/leftwingmaleadvocates Unlike racists who are supported by right wing think tanks and feminists supported by neo-liberal think thanks, we need to come up with our own understanding of the situation and own ideas on how to move forwards. Progress is harder, people often don't seem as smart (it's easy to …
/r/MensRights03/06/20 10:27 PM
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The reality is that you have no compassion or empathy for black men. Exactly in the same way that feminists have no compassion or empathy for any man. That makes you just as bad as they are. ​ The "reality" that blacks commit more crime than whites is no way an excuse to accept the way they are being treated. And quite frankly I believe that you are reversing cause and effects. It's not Black -> therefore more criminal -> therefore more deaths by cops. It's Black -> therefore racism -> therefore…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 08:12 PM
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I have been thinking of this too. The truly deadly combination here is: Poor, Black, Man ​ Any other combination and you're likely to be fine: Poor, White, Man -> You'll likely be ok. Rich, Black, Man -> You'll likely be ok. Poor, Black, Woman -> You'll likely be ok. Which one of these is going to be easiest to get society to fix? You want to help poor, black, men? The best way to do it is to focus on fixing racism. Try to fix injustice against poor people? Not going to happen in a very long tim…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 08:00 PM
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I've never seen outright racism on /r/mensrights but it is also clear that it is used as part of the "alt-right pipeline". Once this sub and other communities like it start to grow, we should be equally able to use /r/mensrights as part of some kind of "alt-left pipeline. I'm still trying to find the truth behind some statistics on /r/mra that claim that white men are twice as likely as black men to be killed by police (this is pro capita). Seem very counter intuitive to me. Especially since I h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/20 01:21 PM
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I really liked her reference to "fragile women" which is something that I've only heard in the context of men e.g. fragile masculinity or even fragile machismo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 11:29 PM
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Content that help us move towards a more egalitarian society without leaving men out. At the same time, less right-wing reactionary content. Basically what I see is that the empathy gap is quite universal. Right wing MRAs try to fix it by decreasing empathy for women down to the level of society has towards men. Left wing MRAs want to fix it by increasing empathy for men to the same level that society has for women. Women earn less than men because they don't have to. This leads to less stress a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/20 02:23 AM
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/r/MensLib is controlled opposition. The purpose of their existence is to gaslight people into not understanding the very thing you've explained.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 08:54 AM
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It wasn't like that before Trump was elected. But the overtone window has shifted a lot to the alt-right on almost all the manosphere after Trump's election. This is why this subreddit is so badly needed. When it comes to actual progress it's hard to tell. Left wing men's rights movements is nothing new. They've exited for decades, even centuries. And no real progress ever seems to happen. There are some basic human instincts that stand in our way: women are wonderful effect, the empathy gap, ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 11:39 PM
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Islam, Russia and China are hell for the typical male. Upper class and middle upper class men have it much better (except in china). But there are much fewer of them. I can't speak to china because I don't understand it well enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 11:32 PM
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TLDR: Try to look at it from our perspective and from a misandrist's perspective, to see that "Toxic Masculinity" truly is a biggoted and pejorative expression. The concepts behind it are used to thwarts efforts to genuinely help men. Karen says you're a real feminist, but "real feminists" at best don't matter because they don't change anything and at worst provide material support to misandrists who have the power to change the world. ​ I disagree, I'm a feminist (and a men's right's advocate) …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 01:58 AM
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Feminists have taken credit for the tail end of a civil rights movement wave that started a hundred years ago. But in truth, all they really did is end progress for the civil rights of men and the working class in general. I'm pretty sure that everything "Feminism" is taking credit for was well under way under the banner of civil rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 11:14 PM
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>> but that's a conversation that I would be okay to have. But no feminist would ever tolerate such a conversation. And no one should tolerate a conversation framed in that way. You could frame a conversation about lazy mexicans and how harmful they are to their own countries and the united states as well when they manage to immigrate (legally or otherwise). But only a racist would originally come up with the idea of framing a conversation in that way, and only racists would actively promote thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 10:41 PM
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I've had a racist explain to me once that N-word doesn't means all black people: N-word is a culture, it's a way of life that embraces anti-intellectualism and criminality. And I accepted that position... for all of one minute. And while the argument still makes a lot of sense, the intent behind it is so blatantly obvious: normalize the denigration of a people. Legitimize the word so that you can keep using in its more mainstream bigoted sense. And that's exactly what "toxic masculinity" is. It …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 10:20 PM
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r/MensRights use to lean heavily left. Back in the day, think tanks and propaganda outfits hadn't yet figured out how to control opinion on the internet. So true perspectives were emerging and people really do lean left. But now, they've figured out the internet and they play it like a fiddle. I don't know what the proportion of shills there are on reddit, and even on a small subreddit like this one. But I bet it's pretty high. They've managed to completely shift the overtone window of r/MensRig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 08:19 AM
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Unions, homeless, work safety laws. These are all ways that the left has helped men. Men have been the primary benefactors of the civil rights movements that has transformed the lives of men from somewhere around 1920 to 1970. The civil rights movement also helped with women's rights issues, racial issues and lgbt issues. The civil rights movement was the true "intersectional feminism" movement. The right has always been opposed to the civil rights movement. When trump tries to take down Title I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 08:07 AM
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I'm not a mod, but I'd like to respond to your questions. can i make a post regarding gay men without being homophobic, i am tired of their attitudes and apathy to their own gender ? I think you should be allowed to make such a post, but I am doubtful that you can be sufficiently tactful to do it in a way that is not homophobic. You should be aware that your perception of gay men's attitudes and beliefs are based primarily on their portrayal in the media, which may not reflect the majority of ga…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/20 07:52 AM
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You are absolutely correct that you put a lot more effort into your posts than a lot of posters who simply link to others or parrot ideas that are already popular. However, your posts are still "low effort" compared to theirs because the content of their "low effort" posts is the result of a lot of other people's efforts. When you link to someone else's work, the content that's being presented to the community has had a lot of thought put into it. When you parrot a popular idea, you are presenti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/20 07:27 AM
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Suicide is an extreme case that you can't recover from, there is plenty evidence that suicide is caused by depression which is curable or treatable. But frankly, I think we should put our resources towards curing and treating depression and any other causes of suicide rather than just blindly making it illegal. Making drug use illegal has been a big fat failure and is quite absurd. And the real reasons it is illegal in the first place are racism, greed and small mindedness. But even then these t…
/r/MensRights01/05/20 11:40 AM
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