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Supersede is correct. It comes from the word supersedere and is not spelled with a "c".
/r/MensRights03/11/15 11:43 PM
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You're the one that brought sophistry into the argument, you can take it with you when you shut the door. Bye!
/r/MensRights03/06/15 08:49 AM
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Did you miss the part where you made the completely retarded straw man in the first place? Allow me to educate you on the nature of appearing condescending: It is impossible to appear condescending unless there is an acknowledged relationship where one side is superior to the other. I certainly didn't think of myself that way initially, which means any appearance of condescension was acknowledged by you subconsciously, and therefore you attempted to justify your inferiority by accusing me of bei…
/r/MensRights07/05/15 08:13 AM
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I edited the former post for full clarity, since I realised I wasn't really talking to someone capable of connecting the dots. In any case, I foresee any further discussion is unlikely to be productive, so why continue? It's a waste of time for both of us.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 07:48 AM
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So you basically have no rebuttal. Thank you for proving my point. "The earth isn't 6000 years old because you're stupid" is completely ad hominem. It doesn't address the argument (Which wasn't even an argument because your straw man didn't have evidence to substantiate its proposition.) and the material of the rebuttal is entirely a personal attack. Allow me to reiterate, it's very difficult NOT to appear condescending when someone is being as belligerent and psychotic as you appear to be in yo…
/r/MensRights07/05/15 07:41 AM
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The entire point of civil debate is founded on the principles of mutual respect. If you have no respect for the person you disagree with, you can't expect them to have any respect for you. Sure, you can have a wonderful argument of back and forth gainsaying, theatrics and emotional bleeding, but please don't expect to be taken seriously. Please list which rational branch of society you come from which starts out by insulting the opposition with a wave of ad hominem. I'm absolutely dying to hear …
/r/MensRights07/05/15 07:17 AM
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Before we go any further - who are you trying to convince? Try thinking like your target market - you can't assume that they'll react the same way you will, otherwise they'd be on your side already. Also, I think Western culture can resonate with the psychotic girlfriend archetype quite easily, Fatal Attraction/Gone Girl are pretty popular, no? Edit: It actually goes back far earlier than that - I think MAD magaziine once did a parody of an Andy Capp cartoon (where the abusive wife with her hair…
/r/MensRights07/05/15 06:33 AM
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Now you've lost your temper and gone into personal attacks, so no further coherent discussion can be made. Let's continue when you're being rational again.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 06:29 AM
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Calm down and think strategically. You don't debate with your weakest rhetoric (rhetoric has nothing to do with right or wrong but how compelling an argument is).
/r/MensRights07/05/15 05:30 AM
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That's the entire point - the poster works off the misguided assumption that the picture will elicit sympathy and therefore garner attention. I think it's more effective to work on antipathy towards abusers than sympathy for a class which society isn't exactly conditioned to feel sympathetic to.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 05:29 AM
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Excuse me if I'm not particularly enthusiastic about men as a unified gender rushing towards claiming victimhood - I'd rather have a poster portraying abusers of both genders rather than go trawling for pity in a puddle.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 05:09 AM
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It's something people do to other people and not specifically a men's rights issue but rather a human rights one. You should see the statistics on domestic violence in homosexual (especially lesbian) relationships. Here: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/
/r/MensRights07/05/15 04:39 AM
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They can't, though. Women can bench over 300kg? Women can produce semen? Women can have genetically related offspring with another woman? Women can pee standing up without assistance? Women can hit the age of 50 without going through major hormonal changes? Women can get prostate cancer? This gender equivalence nonsense is bullshit. Equality is about being fair, not being identical.
/r/MensRights07/05/15 04:30 AM
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How about the 26 women in this report that were sexually harassed by other women? https://www.humanrights.gov.au/chapter-5-working-without-fear-results-sexual-harassment-national-telephone-survey-2012
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:27 AM
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This was actually covered in the Official Sexually Correct Dictionary under the entry "Yes means No". There was a huge outbreak of political correctness in the '90s, though nowhere as bad as now, and I believe it appeared under the infamous Antioch College's sexual assault policy. Might have been part of the "any sexual encounter a woman finds unsatisfactory is rape". That dictionary is full of rabid feminist gems and has quote sources, I should dig it up for references.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:10 AM
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Some loud feminists will always be angry that anything is not exclusively about women, just ignore them and focus on the ones that don't treat gender like a form of original sin. They want attention, don't oblige.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 06:19 AM
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Politely ask her what the term is when a woman gropes a man's genitals or ass unsolicited or steals his underwear.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 06:08 AM
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shrugs I don't really know. I don't try to educate him since I try not to give unsolicited opinions in real life. He's not exactly the most communicative of people.
/r/MensRights03/05/15 11:37 AM
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Um, what kind of future employment do you think you'll get as a male with that degree? Just curious.
/r/MensRights03/05/15 11:34 AM
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I think getting men interested in gender studies degrees will be about as effective as getting women interested in Engineering degrees. There will be a few, but generally most of the guys I know aren't too interested in the topic.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 04:41 PM
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I thought that was fatpeoplehate?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 04:38 PM
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I agree, I asked my brother what his perception of the MRM was and he said "they'r a bunch of bitter whiny men", which I didn't really agree with, but perhaps the moderates that don't actually resent women (and not rabid feminists) don't speak up enough.
/r/MensRights02/05/15 04:37 PM
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I'm not American and from an Eastern culture, so here's my outsider viewpoint: The problem with American politics is that it is partisan. One of the core Chinese beliefs is Daoism, which advocates natural order and that everything is abhorrent at extremes - the school of thought says that being liberal or being conservative all the time is silly and inflexible - just like there are times when you will need to wear a coat and times you will need to take it off, people should be liberal when it is…
/r/MensRights02/05/15 04:33 PM
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This might sound weird, but I wonder why single mothers in America don't band together to raise their children if 2 parents are necessary for the well-being of a kid, but a father specifically isn't. I believe a male presence is probably important for a human being to grow up being able to functionally relate to both genders, but I know some people disagree with that.
/r/MensRights30/04/15 10:28 AM
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She wasn't male. You got to go as long as you were a minority (ignore the fact women are actually a majority, facts are inconvenient things)
/r/MensRights27/04/15 11:33 PM
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I think this article is overall really good news, because there is no freaking way most people could read her Facebook description and think she was in any shape or form attached to reality. But why the heck is she in charge, is the question.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 11:47 AM
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“I am particularly interested in looking at the gendered body in Japanese pornographic anime and horror through a Foucauldian framework in order to analyse the West’s gaze upon a world it attempts to categorize,” Mustafa wrote. “My politics are intersectional, queer, feminist, anti-racist . . . I am a working class, Turkish Cypriot, queer, disabled woman and activist.” Translation: I expect to get tenure for watching Japanese tentacle fantasies.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 10:33 AM
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Likewise, I'm writing you off as a bitter idiot that gives MensRights a bad name.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 04:39 AM
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Did you read the advertisement? Clearly you didn't, because it SPECIFIES THE DIFFERENCES IN WEIGHTS ON THE BARBELL RACKS. FFS, if you're going to have an opinion, could you at least try to have a pertinent or informed one? We're not talking about all gyms here, we're talking about one gym. You can waffle on about all your personal experiences but that is completely irrelevant to whether this gym is being unjust or not.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 06:43 PM
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They came from the vendor's decision to expand his market by creating a new product, duh. Are you just going to throw insults around or are you going to acknowledge how bad your logic is? As if the woman is consuming double her entitlement of service by her gender alone. That isn't happening because she's only ONE woman. Do you understand? It's not difficult to count to one. It's not even an opportunity cost question, different genders have different requirements, live with it. Would it make you…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 05:49 PM
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Stereotypical, but funny. NAWALT, haha.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 03:05 PM
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Your analogy is bad. Here's the situation corrected: The man is given a hot dog. The woman is offered her choice of ONE of two hotdogs, one possibly with additional folate or calcium which she needs in her daily diet unlike the man. She gets to pick whichever one she wants. Your woman is probably not a ninja. She is not going to split into shadow copies and populate both sides of the gym at the same time. Do you get offended at the existence of Victoria's Secret boutiques?
/r/MensRights24/04/15 02:51 PM
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Here, read this. I'm all for men's rights, but that doesn't mean abandoning all manner of empathy for women nor assuming that they are equivalent physically. A women's section of the gym is a great idea if it helps them isolate what might be more beneficial to them. http://www.m.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/features/his-hers-fitness
/r/MensRights24/04/15 12:59 PM
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Except their bodies don't have the same properties men's do. It's biological fact. Why is it so strange that they might have different requirements for physical training? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683
/r/MensRights24/04/15 12:51 PM
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I'm not American nor white. I must live in a strange world where due consideration of all the facts is considered responsible before going on the warpath though. Do men cost the gym more money? Are women more likely to use different machines which might require different standards of maintenance? Is it helpful if a gym has equipment mainly tailored to chest and biceps muscles when women may have less interest in developing definition on those? Does the women's section have lighter weights that m…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 12:42 PM
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Can you stop misinterpreting me? I said I don't go to THAT GYM. The one in the pictures with the so-called offensive and discriminatory advertisement. Do you? Nice job of straw-manning my argument into something ludicrous. It's a shame you're posting here, you'd make a great radical feminist.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 07:29 AM
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They actually do want to be children. Children are a protected class of society with few responsibilities, people who will love them regardless of what they do, and get paid an allowance for breathing.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 06:38 AM
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Art does not protect slander.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 06:22 AM
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Sure, it would reduce the load even more if the whole gym was co-gendered and there wasn't equipment that was possibly sitting empty while paying customers were waiting. And you know that how? Do you go to the gym in question? The advertisement shows the quality of equipment for BOTH genders is EQUAL. Women just have more equipment to choose from. That is not a problem unless you can demonstrate to me that the gym has capacity problems - you do not know that unless you actually do have empirical…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 05:58 AM
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shrugs Do you use the gym? I don't, so I have no input on whether the co-gendered area is overcrowded. If women have their own separate area, that reduces load on the public area and farm more importantly isolates men from the kind of women that believe that men are unsafe to be around, which is a good thing (tm) as far as the gym, the men AND the women are concerned. Everyone wins. Furthermore, this is actually a religious issue when it comes to Islam. Muslim women cannot work out in the same a…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 03:43 AM
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This is a great point! Due to biological factors beyond their own control, they aren't physically capable (on average) of as much muscular effort as much as men - so there's absolutely no reason they shouldn't have a separate weight area with perhaps more appropriately scaled equipment.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 03:36 AM
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Turnabout is fair play. Calgary was disgustingly unprofessional (if they had an objection, they should at the very least have refunded the badgers.) and upholding the banning without an attempt to live up to their own responsibilities reeks of bad faith and a lack of due diligence either way, much less harassing them by calling the police on them while they were sitting in an unrelated public space. This lack of accountability is very bad for business in general. Edit: Apparently, it's not a new…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 03:10 AM
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Selectirsed? Selectorised? Those aren't words. That being said, I think you need to take off the victim goggles - there's nothing wrong with this because it clearly states "still" - which means that both gyms are equipped with what it considers to be "top of the line" equipment. If women need a separate space to work out, that's fine as long as both genders pay the same price - sometimes they need a bit of privacy since workouts probably don't put either gender in the most flattering of body pos…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 02:54 AM
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Excuse me? Get off your cross - Women have always historically and categorically in almost every single culture been treated as more valuable than Men - there is NO modern culture which has survived to this point by prioritising the welfare of men over women and children. Sure, that sometimes comes with a loss of agency, but that was entirely due to value. You lock up your valuables for a reason.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 02:38 AM
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My theory is that oppression isn't a contest and trying to say "X group is more oppressed than Y group" is a specious argument at best. Gender roles today are the byproduct of millennia of treating the lives of women and children as inherently more valuable than that of men (hence the lack of female participation in war - you don't hear about the rape of the Sabine men for a reason). Feminism is the project of bringing females up to parity with men in terms of agency and responsibility, and for …
/r/MensRights22/04/15 08:13 AM
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I have the caveat that men and women do need empathy for each other though - MensRights needs to understand the social implications of reaching sexual maturity earlier and having a far shorter fertility period (and a way more complicated hormone cycle - and btw from all I have studied as a Biologist - hormones absolutely do affect how we behave). Women absolutely need to understand that too and not use it as an excuse for poor behaviour just as much as Men should never use testosterone as an exc…
/r/MensRights22/04/15 04:23 AM
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Men totally attempt to police each other's masculinity, maybe as much as women police each other's feminity (watch women criticise other women on their fashion sense, etc or men criticise sports players). It doesn't mean that men, nor women, for that matter necessarily have to listen to every blowhard telling us to conform to their ideas of a gender norm. I don't think the concept of "masculine" or "feminine" are useful outside of describing primary and secondary sexual characteristics because d…
/r/MensRights22/04/15 04:12 AM
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I support rights for both genders, but I don't think they should be equal, just fair, because both sexes have different issues and are frankly not equal by nature (if they were, men and women wouldn't have different sports leagues, for example). That being said, I don't see the need for a "men's rights" wing of Feminism. I'm totally a feminist as long as you accept that I am also a masculist. They aren't mutually exclusive, dude.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 04:03 AM
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Full text: http://psychsocgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/04/06/geronb.gbv023.full Researchers: "Thus, husbands may have lower blood pressure when wives are less stressed because wives are better able to provide support in that circumstance, whereas wives may benefit when husbands are more stressed because they prefer to engage with husbands more openly about stress and relationships." Or maybe it's because there is less empathy for stress in males since males withdraw and don'…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:59 AM
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Link to the real meat (full journal report): http://www.bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004342.full Necessary because I'm innately distrustful of qualitative interview formats.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 04:37 AM
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TheRedPill, a sub that thinks the apotheosis of human interaction is sex and power and validates this by thinking of human beings as animals and life as a huge penis competition.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:23 AM
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At the risk of channeling TRP, the way you describe it sounds like a serial dieter's relationship with cake. What's the story behind "affirmative consent" anyway? The term is horribly redundant. Can consent be negatory?
/r/MensRights01/04/15 05:31 AM
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Eh, stigmatising it isn't the solution either. Spiked has another article on it by an old-school woman saying that there's absolutely nothing wrong with BDSM or wanting to be dominated and it has absolutely nothing to do with original feminism because it's personal, a product of free will and apolitical - I think it's pretty good. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/12501
/r/MensRights01/04/15 04:40 AM
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Even as someone disinterested in the entire gender war, I found this article funny - it reminds me of something I once read in "the sexually correct dictionary" (satirical book) quoting an activist that said (paraphrasing from memory) "All men are either guilty wimps or chauvinist jerks, the problem is you want to kill the latter and having sex with the former is less exciting than screwing a limp noodle"
/r/MensRights01/04/15 04:08 AM
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Well, I don't really know the American legal system well, but I think that already happens - it's a civil procedure and not a criminal one, so the judge or arbiter would have to go on a preponderance of the evidence instead of reasonable doubt. Based on that, it would still be difficult to defend her position without any evidence but hearsay. Just send it to Judge Judy or something, unless it's larger than a small claims suit.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 07:16 AM
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No. She didn't file official charges, nor make a false statement to the law, so she didn't commit perjury. She can be sued for slander or libel, but not perjury. The burden of proof is on her to show reasonable evidence that a crime occurred. The current evidence does not substantiate her account of the details, therefore she has failed to establish a crime occurred in the first place and any argument treating the alleged crime as a fait accompli is fallacious.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 06:50 AM
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This is how to fail Biology - by taking lessons from Andrea Dworkin. I really dislike people ruining my science - sorry for the ensuing long-winded explanation: Let me break things down: Gender in humans is determined by the presence of the Y chromosome, not the absence of an additional X chromosome. Females have two copies of the X chromosome, but in their cells, one of their chromosomes is rendered permanently useless by a process called X-inactivation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-inactivat…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 05:04 AM
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I'm not even a MRA, but you're quite stupid if you don't understand how the legal (and logical) burden of proof works. If someone makes an allegation, the onus is on the accuser to provide evidence that it is true, not on the accused to prove that it is untrue. If someone says "God is green and has three legs", he has to provide proof that it is true rather than swank around saying "since you cannot prove that god isn't green and does not have three legs, I must be correct".
/r/MensRights25/03/15 02:33 AM
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Sorry, neutral observer here, but isn't that FAQ a bit outdated esp. re the shelter bit? I was reading about Canada recently (I guess CAFE isn't really Men's Rights as much as egalitarian, but it keeps getting labeled as such): http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/28/earl-silverman-who-ran-mens-safe-house-dies-in-apparent-suicide/ If you're interested in donating to MR causes, you probably could have helped Mr Silverman out 2 years ago (before he decided to take his own life). I've also read abo…
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:32 AM
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If his opinion doesn't matter as much, then why does he feel the need to have it heard? Western culture is really weird.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 07:11 AM
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I suggest reading the actual police report linked in the article - she didn't actually pull the gun to coerce him into sex, it escalated from an argument after which she allegedly ran out into the driveway with the gun, and claimed to be the victim, telling the police that the man was the one who threatened to shoot her. Based on the Duluth model alone, the man would have been arrested - the only reason why he wasn't was because her testimony and accusations were found to be contradictory and in…
/r/MensRights17/02/15 10:05 AM
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Well, it's true that VD was such a taboo topic that when Ibsen wrote about the effects of incipient syphilis in his plays it was considered to be downright scandalous. The libertines (which were mostly quite definitely high status or in huge debt) were never very popular in the public eye though - De Sade wasn't hugely popular even amongst the aristocracy and neither was Wilde.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 08:53 AM
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That's a modern change, if you read up to Edwardian literature, there was a pretty common representation of Men as not being as interested in sex as Women, and needing to placate their demands for sex because they were viewed as more "flighty" (Hence all the horrible chastity belts with spikes). I'm not sure why the roles got reversed, but my theory is that it has to do with the death of gentility - I always get the impression that the early 1900s thought of sex as a low-class pastime unbecoming…
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:24 AM
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Not just "a feminist", but one of THE core feminists. Maybe the proto-radical feminist, even. Greer has lots of opinions you probably wouldn't like - she's famously said "English culture is basically homosexual in the sense that the men only really care about other men." and "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." (her view is that almost all modern society is founded on misogyny/the hatred of women).
/r/MensRights01/12/14 08:58 AM
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Hahaha, sorry. I did mean "why the woman who wrote this book is important", though (she's one of the most influential core feminists). To be fair, she did get blasted for making the book, though - but I think that's entirely another problem (I find society sometimes rather uncomfortable with the sexualisation of men - maybe it's homophobia?).
/r/MensRights01/12/14 08:54 AM
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I'll just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beautiful_Boy Bonus points if you actually know who the author is.
/r/MensRights01/12/14 05:14 AM
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