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I dunno. I learned PUA from free youtube videos and free forum posts and it helped me enormously. Never paid a dime for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:26 PM
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This prevents me, and many other people who are sexually active, from donating blood. I have had a very degenerate past. My N-count is probably around 25+. And still I have donated blood within those constraints, at the limit of four times per year. That amounts to around 50 donations. I can think of only three or four times that I could not donate because I had a new partner in the past 6 months. So it doesn't really prevent "sexually active" people. It prevents a small minority of people with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:25 AM
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I am aware that you're a nanny, and I stand by what I said. Whatever you contribute in taxes (the rest is not contribution, it's for yourself) is a fraction of what you get in return. You are, as I said, a net loss for society. The issue is, you don't see it. You think it's the default. You flush your toilet, and the shit goes away. You open a faucet, clean water comes. You spew some bullshit online, and it appears in the screens of people thousands of miles away. So no, "I already have a job, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:45 AM
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You didn't give me an example of what society has done, but rather what my parents have done. You are so, so close. Did your parents kill the animals? Skin them? Remove the sinew? Test whether they were infected or parasite ridden? Did they pick the cotton, or deflesh the leather? Did they separate the threads, process the fabric, cut it? Did they fabricate the implements for doing those tasks? You're close, but you don't get it. as an adult I have to work to earn the money to access anything I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:39 AM
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Let's put it like this: You don't stop owing your friend money because you cannot afford to pay him without starving. So while not selfish, I still think the debt is there. It's better that you don't pay it. But not because you don't owe it, but because you can't. Such a person still benefits from a society they aren't going to pay forward. So, to recap: Yes, it's owed. Yes, it's selfish if you don't do it when you can reasonably do it. And it is massively entitled if you try to justify your "I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:42 PM
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It’s not really entitlement to acknowledge that we can do better for parents tho. No it isn't. I never said it was. I said it's brutally entitled to overlook the massive benefits society gives us. It's entitled to assume that the baseline is western living, when the baseline is starvation and frostbite. I am not advocating against making society better. My entire point is that it already gives a lot. And that saying "nah I'm not paying back because it's not good enough" is entitled. Just curious…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:22 PM
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In that case let me rephrase: I am not saying "a woman". I am saying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:14 PM
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It’s mostly men and conservative men complaining about this. I sincerely would want to see what would happen if "mostly men" didn't put their lives in danger to protect women from the consequences of this particular decision. (Hint: their whole right to decide if they have children would go away)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:11 PM
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I am not saying "a woman". I am saying you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:09 PM
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I am not saying we should shame. I am saying we have a duty to upkeep the society that upkeeps us. We were given the gift of society, and that creates the duty to pay it forward. And that while it's okay to say "I have good reasons to be selfish", it's still being selfish. The same way there are a million reasons to want to pirate software, but it is still stealing, and trying to justify yourself is pathetic. It's doubly pathetic to say "I don't do it, unlike the generations that did it, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:08 PM
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Pregnancy and having a baby does limit women’s agency and independence So does economic collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:19 PM
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Society has kept you fed, clothed. You're using the technology and infrastructure provided by society to complain about how little it does for you. It makes it possible for someone with zero interest in physical work to sustain themselves and not starve or die of hypothermia. "But I work" Yeah. You can have a cozy job because of the society you insist you owe nothing to. Tell a person -man or woman- two hundred years ago that they could not only survive, but have the amenities that kings couldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:48 PM
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Society has done enormous things to "help women have children". The average quality of life of a single mother today is an order of magnitude better than that of a queen three hundred years ago. It's fine to say "I don't give a fuck about the society that's keeping me alive and giving me literally everything, as long as I get my shit, I don't care about what happens to it in three decades". So...just do that. Let's not make stupid excuses for selfish behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:43 PM
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Lady, "I work to pay for some of my stuff" isn't "I have given enough to society". You don't give your labor for anyone but yourself, and still you're not contributing to society anywhere near what society is contributing to you. "I am not going to give back, because it's not appealing to me" is peak entitlement as well. And the fact you don't understand that it's not the grocery store you're improving if you do something as basic as returning your shopping cart shows that you're just one more b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:41 PM
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Are you being deliberately obtuse, or you're like that naturally? When I say "children aren't baggage", I am PRECISELY saying that I'm not referring to children as baggage, and immediately after I specified what I meant by it. What part did you not understand? Yes All Men - AWALT "Yes all men [are evil predators]" is not "All Women Are Like That [Attracted to looks, confidence, dominance, charisma and confidence]" As for the other two, that's projection. Not something one in ten red pillers say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:56 PM
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It's not the male version of those women in anything that approaches reality. The red pill doesn't try to change how the world operates. Children aren't "baggage". I am referring to the emotional baggage that most often comes with single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:48 PM
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"Wooden chairs are amoral" "YOU'RE NOT AN AMORAL PERSON YOU DON'T GET TO SAY THE WORD" ...sigh. You didn't engage with his point, because you don't like it. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:44 PM
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PUA in general is a way to give a framework to socially challenged people other than "just feel the vibes".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:43 PM
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Than blue haired feminists, or that christians, or bikers, or literally any collective. All collectives have individuals and all individuals have morality. This is pretty basic. As for your second "point" (and I am being generous), not wanting to deal with baggage isn't particularly immoral. Or do you think individuals have a moral obligation to give a chance to other individuals, for any reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:41 PM
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You do owe it to society. You owe a lot to society. You're not forced to do it. The same way you're not forced to return a shopping cart, or to not litter if no one is watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:39 PM
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An unwillingness to debate in good faith may be inferred from one or several of the following: Ignoring the main point of a comment, especially to point out some minor inconsistency
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:36 PM
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I mean that PUAs are completely active. They have just gotten better, and less obvious. Not everything needs to be Mystery and peacocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:35 PM
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Obviously, when they say that the red pill is amoral they mean “don’t judge me as an asshole” but when women do something they don’t like, then suddenly insulting women is OK. You can say the same about feminism. Christianity, islam, atheism. Most collectives have assholes. Specially whenever a collective allows you to feel morally superior to others. Take a look at r/atheism for instance. However, when a woman doesn’t want to sleep with a guy within 30 days of knowing him….. “she doesnt desire …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:34 PM
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It's not a mystery that PUA disappeared. They either became good and left the movement, or became angry redpillers. But they didn't. They just learned that they can get the same success with a tenth of the whining if they framed themselves slightly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:30 PM
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Can confirm. Also, shit tests being ways to weed people that only pretend confidence and charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:29 PM
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You haven't answered, though. Does your rule apply to any social group? Are all feminists as unhinged as the most unhinged member they don't all push back against? Or does it only apply to the groups you dislike?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:30 PM
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...I will spell it out for you, because you seem to need it. You said: Until you all push back against something it is your stance. Which means that you hold the stance: "Until everyone in a collective pushes against the most unhinged stances of the most unhinged person that identifies himself as part of that collective, then the entirety of the people who identify by that group hold that stance." I wasn't changing topic. I was testing whether you were internally consistent in your belief system…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:23 PM
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So, let me get this straight: Unless all muslims push back on an issue, then that issue is the stance of all muslims? Unless all feminists push back against the most unhinged, all their stances are to be taken like that unhingedness? That's the hill you want to die on?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:09 PM
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While I might not disagree with the substance of your post, please don't use "Males". Male is an adjective, not a noun. And if you use it as a noun, you're being deliberately imprecise about the race.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:48 PM
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Hm. Other than the suit thing, I am inclined to agree with literally everything you said. I'd change "being nice is not good enough" to "being nice is a nonfactor at best", but yeah, pretty much spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:30 PM
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Can you please tell me the difference between risk and potential for a bad thing happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:15 PM
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It's not about how it sounds like. Just that which one is mentioned doesn't really change the fact, which is that there is a constant degree of mentioning inequality against men. I would not say denouncing -see my original post- but yeah, the fact the statement doesn't mention women doesn't really prove much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:14 PM
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But that's because the dude phrased it like that. It's not something you cannot flip: TRP says men start gaining the upper hand in their 30s. But until then, only the Chads have the upper hand, and average men are utterly disadvantaged. TRP says women start being limited in who they choose around their thirties, but until then, they can have sex with extremely attractive men, and only those. It's saying the same thing. Ish, because I cannot be assed to word the difference between age they have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:05 PM
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First, the usual: "The manosphere" is as big or as small as its convenient for whoever's attacking it. Boring, predictible, and just not grounds for a debate. Define it appropriately or seek a better term. First of all, the first villains in Disney Princess movies were women. And the first protagonists. And the first saviors. And the first extremely powerful beings. Your bias shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:02 PM
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"Every year we treat one cow amazingly, but we horribly torture all the others. This favours cows" See, that's a less political example of the apex fallacy. You focusing on very few men at the top to claim "it favours men". It's like saying sex work doesn't damage women because the top 10 onlyfans models are powerful and rich beyond belief, going back to the flipside of a political statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:49 PM
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"Here's the truth, this is what you should do if you want X". Completely different from "This is the truth, this is how it should be".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:47 PM
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There really isn't any increased risk to women just because they are able to get more matches and dates. It's fear mongering, propaganda. It's not because. It's a completely different issue. Can you share the statistics you have found regarding violence incidents on first dates or the first few encounters a woman has with a man? "SOURCE? SOURCE?" Dude. Fucking common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:46 PM
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In this person's defense, he was congruent with his statement and partially agreed, getting the comment immediately removed by reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:33 PM
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No, the implication exists because RP men actively push their ‘shoulds’ Not really, no. “women aren’t attached to virtue” I never said that. I said women aren't attracted to virtue. “women are into assholes” Only a tiny minority of the red pillers believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:31 PM
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No, it wouldn't. My entire point, edit included, is that when the red pill says "Women are attracted to men based mostly on looks", it's not complaining about it. It's not that we want that to change. When we say "Women aren't attracted to virtue", we aren't implying they should be. That implication is added only because people are too deep into the progressive mindset where pointing out unequal results inherently implies wanting to make them equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:24 PM
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I did make an edit conceding precisely that. Reading, for fuck's sake, won't kill you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:21 PM
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Not to the point of nitpicking "Your observations are wrong". It's actually fairly common as a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:58 PM
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I don't disagree. I just would like to avoid contributing to this shitty PPD tendency where everything needs a million disclaimers due to bad faith interpretations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:52 PM
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Now you've managed to copy something you don't understand to support the claim it says what you believed it says, mostly because you either weren't willing to, or couldn't bother following the argument. Hint: nothing in those two paragraphs has anything to do with "progressives ignore men issues". I now understand why you only copy-paste and talk about a single topic. Thanks for that particular piece of understanding =) You've had your chances to debate. Five, so far. Feel free to get in the las…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:48 PM
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Let's not be fallacious, it's quite clear that she refers from "the conclusions drawn from observations"...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:43 PM
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You literally tried to blame the whole thing on “progressives”ignoring men’s issues. Again not what I said by a wide margin. Four for four. Better luck next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:41 PM
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And it is: you are trying to make TRP something it’s not. It was never “a solution to a society issue” Not only I didn't say it was, I said it's certainly not that. Three for three so far in missing all points. Keep playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:38 PM
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Hats off for at least some degree of consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:32 PM
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It's twenty words. Sorry if it gave you a headache. Like your memorized response, your memorized comment just isn't actually addressing anything said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:31 PM
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As for Christianity, yeah. Yeah... I see. So you do consider islam inherently pedophilic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:29 PM
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Women inherently have something men want, and that many are willing to take by force, while at the same time being generally speaking weaker than the majority of them. Let's not pretend that doesn't entail a lot of risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:27 PM
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They do not see the part where it also comes with more risks for women to date. Risks most men will never experience. So there is an inequality as well. And overall you could argue it is balanced because of that, so there isnt actually any inequality. So why do we still argue about it? Because we put more weight on inequality that effects us personally. The personal bias always plays a role with this. Don't disagree at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:26 PM
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I'm not engaging with your copypaste comment as a nonresponse to whatever you assume I'm saying. Make your own post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:24 PM
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by saying you’re observing reality, you’re then saying what you’re saying is true and are actively justifying your beliefs/behaviour. You might be. That doesn't mean your observation carries the connotation that reality should be any other way. I did make an edit conceding precisely that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:23 PM
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Because RP argues from a stance of inequality in dating in women's favour while completely denouncing the inequality in men's favour. Elaborate? And the third issue is how we define inequality. It is an issue. Issues should be fixed. We see inequality that has an inherent call for action. If there is no action following a statement about inequality it doesnt really make sense to even bring it up. There is certain inequalities in life we kind of just accept and dont really mention it. Because we …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:50 AM
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the infighting in the RP space is almost as harsh as the infighting in feminist spaces. No it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:41 AM
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I am going to say I'm not misogynistic enough to say there are many women that go "any man will do" when approaching dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:41 AM
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You know what? You're right. I'll make an edit to the main post. There is conditional prescription in the red pill. Generally assuming the person hearing it wants to get success at dating. That said, it's individual prescription of how to adapt to a situation, not specific prescription about how the situation should change. The progressive projection is "Describe situation -> situation should change", which is the essence of my post. You do make a fair point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:36 AM
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Possible here is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Let me see if I get you right: You're saying that a description even for the sake of adaptation inherently prescribes behavior. Am I wrong here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:29 AM
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Your statement is odd. The fact that most people get a job doesn't mean most jobs hire most people. Most people are the top 20% of the candidates for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:26 AM
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I'm not doing any no true scotsman. Your statement is "i can't count how many times i saw here statement like "women should date in their league" and so on." My response is: That statement comes from a minority of people that are red pillers. And even this community isn't a good representative slice of red pillers. Nothing to do with no true scotsman nor erasing what we discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:24 AM
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Do you disagree with the statement "Out of a hundred applicants, companies tend to only go for the top 20% for any given role"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:19 AM
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And I've seen a lot of "men are worthless scum". But we all have a bias towards remembering the most out there statement. I am fairly sure that if you pick, say, a dozen people that consider themselves red-pill at random, you will struggle to find that kind of statement in more than two or three. Try it if you don't believe me. And this is a sub that already has a bias that filters out the most non-combative, live-and-let-live red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:18 AM
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And I'm fairly sure that's roughly the percentage of men that have never had a job, but I'm sure that you agree that the overwhelming majority of the companies only try to recruit the top 20% of the candidates they get a CV for any particular position.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:12 AM
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It's not going to be me the one to convince you those are windmills.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:08 AM
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I'm sure it's all that in your mind. I'm... not unpacking that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:03 AM
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See? That's precisely the point I'm making. That for a progressive mind, a statement of something not equitable is a complaint without any further qualifier. I'll answer though: a complaint needs to be something more than just describing something that happens. "Women aren't attracted to virtue" is a statement. "Women aren't attracted to virtue, that means a lot of morally great guys aren't given a chance" is still not a complaint. "Women should give unattractive, but morally virtuous guys a cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:01 AM
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Well, here you're making a fallacious statement. A person that gets a descriptive statement and makes a prescriptive one based on it doesn't "go against the statement". They just add to it. Edit, I'll give you an example: "Overwatering kills plants" is a descriptive statement. Someone can read it, agree with it, and say "we should never overwater plants". That's prescriptive, and still agrees with the original one. Someone else can read it and say "We should ban watering plants at all". That per…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:55 AM
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That's not nearly my experience. I see a lot of red pillers saying it's the case, doesn't mean they say it shouldn't. But feel free to give me some examples, because it's exactly the point I'm making. Misinterpretation of statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:53 AM
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I'm just summarizing for the sake of brevity. Women are attracted to looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and power. And they try to get the man with the most of those traits. Given those traits don't accumulate linearly, there's a truth to the 80/20 rule, even if it's not mathematically exact. Heuristics, and very observable ones at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:52 AM
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The fact you don't make that mistake doesn't mean that it's not made here, often. Not a day ago a post was made that said, and I quote: Isn’t one of the major complaints from red‑pilled men that women only sleep with the “top men” and don’t give average guys a chance? Complaint. And no, it isn't. The overwhelming majority of red pillers here do claim that women only try to sleep with the top men, and they don't generally give average guys a chance, but it's not a complaint. That'd be like saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:50 AM
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"Anything that I'm not comfortable with must be a lie"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:43 AM
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So, for example, if he has food, and she doesn't, would that be witholding?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:05 PM
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Define "withold"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:17 PM
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So let me get this straight: The fact that there's a woman nearby that needs something means I have the obligation to dedicate time, effort and energy to provide for her, because...? What's the reasoning there?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:49 PM
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Do you? Force or the threat of force. "Not do free stuff because you need it" isn't coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:44 PM
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Again: Unless you believe that you're entitled to a man's labor, the man putting ANY price to it is morally completely OK. The only way to consider the man evil in this situation is from the deeply held belief he has an obligation to work for you. Which is your belief. Probably because you weren't told "no" enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:23 PM
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That just proves that Austria courts agree with the female entitlement you spew. Except, not as bad, because on that guy's case, the court did argue -and had a point- that by agreeing to go climbing with her, he was giving her an unwritten agreement of supporting her. So yeah, if you get a woman to a dangerous situation, that creates an obligation to get her out of it. Because you got her there. That doesn't entitle you to the labor of anyone just because you're in a shitty situation. Your entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:19 PM
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I'm not saying it's a horrible situation. Just that it's only "rape" if you feel you are entitled to the other person's work. You betrayed that entittlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:30 AM
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Yep. You've got men to thank for that. Must suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:25 AM
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"Not giving me what I need is coercion"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:12 AM
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This was an attempt to catch red pill man as "evil" and ended up being a huge display of brutal entitlement by every woman who thinks that the second scenario is "rape".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:20 AM
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I actually love it. It makes the entitlement clear every time someone even hints at "it's rape!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:00 AM
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This is a great post that shows the inherent level of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:59 AM
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Two months later, she realises she no longer wants to live like that. Again, the only way where you can claim rape is if you feel you're entitled to the man's labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:58 AM
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Coercion involves use or threat of force. "Not giving you free labor" isn't coercion, regardless of how much you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:24 AM
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Again, beautiful response. You keep framing it as an inevitability. "Basic needs" isn't "Basic deserves". In this scenario, the man is a blessing, not a rapist. You can literally ignore him like he isn't there. For him to be "a rapist" you need to argue that he's taking something from you. Something you deserve. Your words betray your entitlement. Alone in an island -> No one is evil Alone in an island, but there's a man that can make your life a lot better -> That man is evil if he doesn't, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:23 AM
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I love this comment. It gives brutal insight over the mind of some women. This one in particular. I'll go as far as saying this comment is the most enlightening thing of the entire post. Think about what she said about the situation: being coercively raped. This betrays her mind: "I need something. You can provide something. So if you put a price to that something, is the same as you taking whatever you ask by force" The only way to get that line of thinking is adding one last connection: "Becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:01 AM
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Men have it harder than women in dating, though. Men have as high standards for a partner as women do. We, however, have lower standards for a date. Men have it hard in dating, not only for casual sex. Even the act of casually chatting with a woman is an order of magnitude harder than for a woman to strike a casual conversation with a man. Talking is harder, going on a date is harder, everything up to "getting commitment" is harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:00 AM
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Shit testing is a way to check integrity in a situation where faking is common. Negging doesn't try to check integrity. Different goal completely. So no. Drop the victimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:44 AM
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That's very binary thinking. It's not 1 or 0
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:12 PM
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The first mistake is thinking that standards can only be higher or lower. The issue has never been "too high standards", it's been "standards not aligned with rational needs". As a very wise man once said, "Be very careful with your priorities, more often than not they're the only thing you'll achieve."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:46 AM
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There is, as usual, a lot of lost nuance here. PUA advice had a massive range, from "absolutely solid advice" to "what the fuck". So, to begin with, there was a bit of a legitimate attack on some of the pieces of advice PUAs gave (negging comes to mind). Second, and this is the meat of the issue, PUA advice paints women in very poor light. It shows that the "personality" they insist they are attracted to runs very shallowly. If what PUAs say is right, women are shallow, so what PUAs say has to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:03 AM
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On this sub you can often hear a sentiment that unless men are guaranteed a wife and children, then why should they protect “your” country. “See how it is without us.” Unless you have a wife and children to protect, why the fuck would you risk your life for a stranger, and a stranger that considers you worthless to boot? That framing already says a lot to me. Because you feel entitled and you consider everything men do for you the default. This “protection” is not a value, not a principle, not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:03 PM
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So... let's take a bit of a deeper look at what you're saying. Rephrase it a bit. You are asking if it's a good idea to spend time, emotional energy, ETC, on the kind of men that only see you as a potential sexual partner when you dress slutty and you signal you're easy -whether you are or not- Morally, you're in the clear. Now, whether that's a good idea... Again. You are aiming for the men whose decision hinges on "how easy she looks". Then you add on top of it that you use it to be "more choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:34 AM
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You're putting an awful lot in my mouth. You're jumping to conclusions just because you realized that your previous "point" wasn't sustained by anything I said. "Kind of sounds to me" Sigh Anyways, I'll ask you the same: if a community didn't need doctors because they got great health due to medical advances, vaccines, ETC done by doctors, would you say "doctors bring nothing to health" just because an individual doctor is no longer required?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:19 PM
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OP entire post is replying to a comment I made on a different post. But that clarification aside: Let's make a thought experiment: Would you say "Doctors don't bring anything to my health" if you didn't need to go to the doctor due to medical advances, vaccines, ETC done by doctors?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:16 PM
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Usually a woman will say "men bring nothing to relationships", overlooking that she doesn't need security or stability because other men are bringing it. Or she says "women no longer need men", and again, sorely wrong. The fact women need men isn't often -or at all- brought against the argument "I don't need to date a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:07 PM
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As I also said, this post is a direct reply to a comment I made yesterday. It's a direct misinterpretation, as well. A woman can perfectly say she doesn't need to date a man. What's wrong is saying "Men don't bring anything to relationships" just because everything a potential partner naturally brings is brought by men that you're not dating. My issue isn't with "I don't need to date a man in my life to survive", it is "I don't need men", or "women don't need men", or any of the many expressions…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:04 PM
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Please, do look at everything I wrote and find where I said or implied that gratefulness means sexual favors. That said, I would not be "Nah I don't need plumbers" just because my house's plumbing isn't broken. That'd be ignorant and entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:57 PM
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"I am healthy! I don't need doctors!" You are healthy because of the work of doctors. You need doctors. You're just so entitled that you assume their contribution as the baseline, as something by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:48 PM
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And before that women were sitting on their asses doing nothing? No. They were taking care of a relatively safe household. Taking care of children, cooking, ETC. Relatively in comparison to all the jobs that happened before women wanted to join the workforce. Still today I don't see an equal representation push in oil rigging, miners, tree falling, electric line work... So yeah. When the majority of jobs were like that, and not cozy offices and coffee breaks with AC and central heating, women we…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:46 PM
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It doesn't, I agree. OP is replying to her own misinterpretation to my response. This whole post is OP's small tantrum about a comment I made on another post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:27 PM
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First, let me have a laugh at the fact my comment got to you that bad. Second, saying "men don't contribute anything inherently to a relationship" just because men made it so good for women that they are safe, fed, and don't need to lift their asses from a desk (funny how women became interested in equal representation at work only when work stop being deadly and offices started having AC) is like saying "doctors don't contribute anything inherently to my health" just because you have gotten all…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:44 PM
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I have. I married her. Of course, I was the ONS, then the FWB...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:17 PM
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"Modern men have made sure everything I could need is already provided, so men have nothing to bring to a relationship" is peak entitlement, and as disingenuous as anything else I could say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:14 PM
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A society where western men have been benevolent and dedicated enough to create a situation where women don't need the relationship benefits men inherently provide doesn't mean men don't provide inherent relationship benefits, and it certainly isn't a dunk on western men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:32 PM
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Why aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:06 PM
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"Men don't bring anything to the table", she concluded. She hit 'send' in her phone, designed by a man. Built from materials collected by men (and slave children). Her data package went to a signal tower built by men, using a protocol designed by men. From that signal tower, it was sent to a communications node built by men, through optic fibers designed, manufactured, and installed by men in underground channels dug by men. That message, basically boiled down to 'men don't bring anything to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:17 AM
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But most adult men have standards both for what they will drink and what they will fuck. And you keep confusing instinct with action.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:20 PM
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Yeah. And my point is that an acceptably looking, acceptably young woman trying to fuck a guy will get said guy hard in the overwhelming majority of the cases. If you don't think so, I don't know what to tell you, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:03 PM
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Only in the "don't complain" sense. It doesn't say how to do anything you "should" do. And it is quite slimy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:35 AM
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So, let me get this right, the solution is to not to speak, to not marry, and to pay for prostitutes? That's your... solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:34 AM
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It is, but a lot of it will be trial and error.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:03 AM
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But we don't "disprove the blue pill" as much as we do what the red pill originally intended, which is to state the truth about the sexual attraction part of intersexual dynamics. That bothers a lot of people, because it paints women as people. And people suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:38 AM
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You're confusing attraction with action. I don't do drugs. I would like to, I have an impulse to try them, but I don't, because it's a shitty idea. The impulse to do something doesn't equate to the willingness to do it. I love my wife. I am aware she's the best woman I've ever met. Not just the best I've been able to get. Yet if an acceptably good looking woman was trying to fuck me, I'd get the impulse, the sexual instinct, to fuck her. I wouldn't, for a million of reasons. But the instinct is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:34 AM
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But when a guy says it… crickets. See the contradiction? What? Try telling your current partner that she's not the best you've dated. See how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:48 PM
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But when you point out that by *that* definition of hypergamy, us men would be hypergamous too… They’ll shift the goal post to pretend that they only meant “hypergamy” by its original socioeconomic definition (aka hypergamous in the sense of being attracted to money, status, etc. “) Men are attracted to pretty much any woman past a rather low looks threshold. According to that theory, women **cannot be genuinely aroused or attracted to a man based on money or status alone**. AF/BB basically make…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:20 PM
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Going for the first kiss necessitates pushing boundaries, unless you ask for permission first. I dunno man. I think there are better ways to go for a kiss that involve asking for permission nonverbally. I think I am yet to give a kiss she didn't see coming from a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:49 PM
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Again you are so ignorant of the attraction/want division that you use them indistinctly. What people are attracted to sexually is not the same as what they want to see in the people they are already attracted to. As a rule of thumb, to identify what attracts someone, ask yourself: 1- A person with 0 of this trait and average in all others, will have 0 sexual successs? 2- If a person with 0 of this trait moves up significatively, will their sexual success move up significatively? In women, these…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:32 PM
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Yeah fam you're not gonna get a sincere answer with this one. Too on the nose. Hypocrites have at least some idea of where the next hit is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:12 PM
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Or, or, alternatively, interact with women freely and if some of them are bothered by it they'll remove themselves from the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:08 PM
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I admit it was a very informative time, back then. Not for the better, but informative regardless. I see it a bit like the Power Balance fever in the 90s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:06 PM
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I cannot see the "agree under here" comment. So I'll just post here: Yeah. If a woman says "no", the right thing to do is to just walk away. the best thing you can get if you push a woman that is saying "no" is that she meant "yes". Then you get involved with an idiot that plays games. And that's the best case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:05 PM
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Not many men are proponents of cold approach. I am. 1- It is extremely useful to practice social skills with very low stakes. You can cold approach 20 people in a day, nothing gets you anywhere near that level of practice. 2- It is not done often. It sets you apart -positively or negatively-. Women have a completely different behavior when scrolling through hundreds of thirsty men in a dating app, or when behind 3mm of makeup in a club. 3- It has a very good rate of success. One in twenty or thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:40 PM
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Women absolutely are driven by instinct, that "more emotional" trend we have observed is tied to their evolutionary psychology I am going to push back here. Women are as driven by their instincts as men are. Not more, not less. The issue is that while men are generally more accepting of this about themselves -and the world does seem men like we are- women have enjoyed a long time of "women are wonderful" effect, where truths about their nature (the same nature men have, not worse) have been sile…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:42 AM
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But that just happens when you oversimplify complex issues to bite sized talking points that can be memorized. I'll take your first one. Should security forces be able to detain US citizens that are suspected of committing a crime? Probably. There's a lot of nuance going into there. A lot of abuse prevention. A lot of checks and balances. And the background of weighting crime prevention vs individual freedom. A lot goes into deciding where that particular line is. Should they be allowed to be ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:17 AM
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Can you define "Across the aisle"? Because if you mean "radically against everything you believe", I agree. But it sounds like you're saying there are only two camps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:26 PM
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Yes many people in the world think that violating the human rights of others should be untouchable Those people have zero idea about what laws are. The first thing you learn in law school after human rights is that they have limits. And the discussion is always about where those limits are. What happens when my right of religion conflicts with your right of free speech? What happens when my right of movement conflicts with your right to bodily integrity? The collective right to protect themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:50 PM
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No. You're oversimplifying a massively complex problem into "bad guy" and "good guy" like a toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:26 PM
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Thank you for so succinctly illustrating my point. Politics have always been about human rights. The only difference is that now people are extremely radicalized and try to imply that because something is about human rights, it's untouchable, and the answer to it is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:21 PM
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The fact you're crying "bad guy" like some toddler is already indication enough of radicalization. But unpacking that a little more: Arresting (not convicting) someone is already possible with witness statements. For any crime. The entire "But americans are being arrested" is... again, dumb. Immigration is a massive problem. Crying about the current measures without an idea of the solution doesn't make you better. It makes you just sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:18 PM
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I am claiming that reducing a problem as horrifyingly complex as immigration cannot be boiled down to "warehouse where people are being held without due process, human rights! Current president evil" That's precisely the radicalization I'm calling out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:04 PM
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It's true though. Every single law "is about human rights". To be concise, about where those rights end, the priorities, and the order of them. Crying "IT'S ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS" like something isn't is disingenuous. And that's not a "radicalized" take. It's just one of someone that has studied even the faintest sliver of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:49 PM
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I am. I don't think people that disagree with me politically are hateful. I believe most people agree on the destination, we just disagree on how to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:41 PM
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I don't think those that disagree with me do so out of hatred
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:37 PM
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Political differences have always -and I fucking mean always- been equally important. The only difference today is extreme radicalization and the very moronic push to say that anything other than economic is "about human rights".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:28 PM
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There are no lies. There are two reddit posts and the reactions. Where they are posted is irrelevant. You can disregard, not even read the text. Grab both images, verify they aren't edited, and draw the conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:23 PM
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"I don't like the observers, so the facts are wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:16 PM
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And don't get me wrong. There are answers. "I don't give you blowjobs because if feels like performing oral on a mannequin" Won't make him happy but will assuage a lot of fears about different treatment, "Dude, sorry to put it this way, but you drink more monster than water and your semen tastes like battery acid. I like giving blowjobs but not if I get hypercaffeinated from it" "Look, yeah, I enjoy anal, but your dick is more curved than a fucking scimitar and you're going to either break it or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:53 AM
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It does. And I feel like you do. I once dated a woman that I consider the closest to necrophilia I've ever been, and it killed my libido and initiative. But you also see my point. It's often (again, there are idiots) not "You did this once, now you gotta keep doing it". It's often "why was this enjoyable with him and not with me?" or, worse, "Why did you care enough about him to do something that takes work, and you refuse to do it for me?" Those are reasonable insecurities. Hell, I still keep s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:40 AM
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Okay. I can play your game. Do you agree that all the behaviours I described women doing are dehumanizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:18 AM
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You aren't answering though. Do you agree that all the behaviours I described women doing are "misandry"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:17 AM
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That's one of the questions. And none of the answers are good. Under that pressumption, there are things we only enjoy when we're truly horny and that don't really work otherwise. You can probably see how that is likely to bother someone. "I was horny enough with my ex to do this, but now I am not horny enough" The other option is that it's one of those things you don't truly enjoy, but you do for the other person because they enjoy it a lot, and you like making someone enjoy. Most oral sex fall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:16 AM
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It's not "treating women as whores". It's categorizing them as not good enough for a long term commitment, but good enough for casual sex. And I am not defending it. Do you agree that all the behaviours I described women doing are "misandry"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:05 AM
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I don't disagree with you. But it's a bit of a strawman. The problem isn't (usually) "You did this once, now you gotta do it with me". Again, usually. There are idiots everywhere. The moment a guy gets upset, bothered, is generally when he figures out not a once-off occasion, but an entire different sexual dynamic. When his partner that's never done a blowjob because "ew" turns out to have done hundreds to their ex "because he loved it", for example. That's not a "you did it once, now you gotta …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:04 AM
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Everyone makes snap judgements when dating. Woman meets a guy that's great looking but jobless at 30 and clearly not on her socioeconomic level, bam, snap judgement. Guy is nice, but dresses like shit and isn't fit? Snap judgement. Guy is 35, says he lives with his ex, immediate snap judgement. Is that misandry? I don't think so. Neither is making a snap judgement when you barely know someone. We judge based on superficial criteria because it makes it quick and we cannot form a deep connection w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:53 AM
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so between 18-21 or so she kinda just did whatever. had some casual sex, situationships, nothing really stuck. This is where the trick happens. You glide through it, keep it short and concise, but what you're describing isn't "casual" at all. It's not normal either. Between 18 and 21 people might have two or three short relationships, but the notion that it's anywhere near normal to have "casual sex" and "situationships" and end up fucking, say, more than 6-7 different people is just not aligned…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:46 AM
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You start off good, and then lose yourself in absolutes. There is a division between relationship material and "just for the time being" material. And there's the "yeah, no" material as well. But jumping from there to "misogyny" requires you to elaborate. It seems fairly reasonable to me, and certainly not based on hatred or disdain. Women do a very similar thing, sorting guys between relationship material or just for hook ups. I don't think that's misandry, just selection. Your second fallacy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:14 AM
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Generally speaking, conservative women have two parents that have been successful enough to stay together, to have a child, and to raise that child. Again, generally speaking, their wishes include the happiness of said child. Maybe, just maybe, they know something you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:44 AM
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Cheating is horrible. Being slutty makes cheating more likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:41 AM
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You're proving his point. An analogy isn't saying A is related to B It is A is to B what C is to D. It means that the relationship between A and B is analogous to that between C and D. I'll make a non-leftist-adjacent example; that might help clarify. "Finding John in California is like finding a needle in a haystack" I am not saying John is anyhow similar to a needle, and I am not saying California has any of the qualities of a haystack. I am not implying I can get John using a powerful magnet,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:40 AM
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"I love [person that's likely to do something horrible], as long as they [don't do something horrible], what's the problem?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:33 PM
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I love cheap cars bought from shady unofficial retailers. As long as they don't break down and they don't explode out of the blue, what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:26 PM
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Please, by all means explain to me where I have said that "nice" is actually "evil"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:05 PM
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But to me, redpill stuff comes across as ONLY caring about the interview. I am not going to lie to you. It is. But not because being a good partner doesn't matter. It's because it's out of scope. The red pill is (originally, and should be) about how women experience attraction. Not about life advice, not about how to hold a good relationship. How to create attraction. That's the scope. It's no different from a course that tells you how to get good at interviews. It sucks at telling you to be a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:56 PM
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...women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:24 PM
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I’ll make a deal with ya’ll. I’ll be in support of fair dating for men The objective of dating is for it not to be fair. It's inherent to selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:18 PM
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I agree I am using extremes. But those extremes are used to show how those two sets of traits aren't strongly coupled. You don't need to be a model to be make your looks improve enough to be attractive. You don't need chiseled abs. You don't need to "hold power over other men". Wholeheartedly agree. And the reason why you don't group all women together is because exactly where they fall on that scale is different. Again I agree. They fall different in that scale, but they are guided by the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:09 PM
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I think part of the problem with all of this is that there's a difference between casual sex and long term relationships. And different people will want different things, and sometimes that will change throughout their lives. But both require initial attraction. Both require a guy to work on the attractive traits, not only on the "good for long term" traits. Women that are looking for a long term relationship, and want a "Kind, giving, respectful man" only look for those traits in men they alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:06 PM
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good adjective (MORALLY RIGHT)... I know, it's B1 instead of A1, but my man... []()
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:49 PM
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Good, or even kind, is a moral character trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:38 PM
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I'm... not unpacking that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:31 PM
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So we do agree that being nice isn't being morally positive (Aka good)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:29 PM
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I'll clarify, because we're closer to understanding each other. The core problem of the "blue pill", the mainstream communication, isn't about "being yourself". The core dissonance point is something on this line: According to mainstream belief, "blue pill", women are attracted by the traits that make men good long term partners. The broadcast message is "If you want to be attractive to women, you need to signal the traits that make you a good partner". For a moment let's forget niceness. Respec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:29 PM
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Ill ask the same to you than to the other person: Friend of yours gets some expensive outfit. It looks like shit. The nice thing to do is to not tell him. The kind thing to do is to tell him. Can you think of a single way to be evil, in a nice way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:18 PM
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And I disagree. Focusing on "Nice" is going to make you really unattractive, really fast, and the overwhelming majority of the shit-tests are there to filter out "nice". Focusing on "nice" over "good" is one of the ways most clueless men fail. "Nice" is how you fall into the friendzone, "nice" is how you end up being the choreboy, "nice" is how some men turn themselves into simps. You could argue that "good" is difficult to prove, but fucking hell "nice" will make you fail fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:17 PM
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There's no magical line that someone can cross that takes them from "not good" to good. I don't disagree. But you can prioritize good or prioritize nice. And those who prioritize nice, and then get rejected, often insist women want assholes. It's not uncommon for "nice" guys to consider anyone "not nice" as an asshole, and then follow up with claiming women want to be treated poorly. That's where the distinction between good and nice becomes critical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:12 PM
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There are ways to differentiate the two. And there are too many ways a guy can throw himself into the latter by acting too nice, too early. Classic example is agreeing to invite a stranger to drinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:08 PM
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Eh. I'll say that there's nuance, but my core point is good vs nice. Still, do answer my question, because I am fairly sure we agree: Is the nice thing to say the same as the kind thing to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:06 PM
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It's not even my definition. It's also yours. Your friend is going to a party. She picked a dress that quite honestly, looks horrible. You know she cares about making a good impression. Is the nice thing to say the same as the kind thing to say? (Edit) As for the dictionary, while I agree that "kind" is a bit in the middle, "nice" has no definition that goes with "good". "Polite, kind, pleasing, agreeable". Eh. Again kind is a bit of the outlier, but the other three clearly line with my original…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:59 PM
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So you see someone being pickpocketed. Not your problem, not your duty. But you intervene, you tell pickpocketer to "fuck off you fucking wanker, piece of thrash". You've done a good action, in a rude way. Your friend is going to a party. He dresses like a clown, but he thinks he looks great. You tell him "you look like a clown". Again rude, again good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:57 PM
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Anyone told to "just be nice" is being really screwed over, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:55 PM
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No, he isn't. He can be, however, bothered by asymmetry between how he's treated and how his gf's exes were treated, the same way he can be bothered by his GF refusing to drive him anywhere after finding out she used to drive her ex for hours, or how a woman can be bothered by discovering that her boyfriend, who would talk to his ex for hours a day, refuses to talk to her for more than a few minutes "because he's busy". Now my questions: 1- Which twenty red pilled men (ten? five?) said that in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:58 AM
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I have addressed your original post. You haven't answered a question. Make one, I'll answer, and then you answer mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:42 AM
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You're not replying. You're not debating. You're repeating a point like a parrot. A point that isn't a rebuttal or even a response to anything I said. You entered "repeat prerecorded message" mode as a way to distract from the fact that you have no response. Answer the questions, or just admit you have no answer for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:38 AM
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Yeah no fam. No. This is a pile of bullshit to justify cheating. If your relationship is dead, first be man enough to call a spade a spade, to break up, and then go fuck whoever you want to. Solution to the problem is NOT communication, it's to cheat with hotter younger woman as a first resort. That's neither right, nor good, nor smart. That's pathetic. That's sub-human behavior. That way wife loses all the power over him The moment your relationship is about who holds how much power against who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:35 AM
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No, no. You said twenty red pilled men saying that a relationship a woman is trading sex for commitment. I asked for five. You claimed twenty. The one example you gave me doesn't say that. I said that a relationship without sex is a friendship, not that it's a woman trading sex for commitment. Either give me five examples (a quarter of what you claimed) or admit you're pulling numbers out of your ass. These men clearly care more about having kinky sex than even about the relationship itself. Aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:32 AM
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You're not responding to anything I said tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:25 AM
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That's where poop comes out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:06 AM
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LOL you are literally making the argument that relationship makes him entitled to prior sex acts after denying it. I don't think he is. He's calling your hypocrisy out. Having sex is a choice. No one can blame you if you don't want to do A, B or C. So are relationships. No one can blame you for ending a relationship over A, B or C. His point isn't "relationships entitle you to sex". His point is "There's no moral wrongdoing in someone who leaves a relationship for any reason, including lack of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:04 AM
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Context: About 20 Red pillers replied to my last post saying in a relationship the woman is trading sex for commitment. Challenge for you: You said "about 20". Give me the example of... let's say, five. Go on, find that. These men seem to think women are trading sex for commitment and seem to think the primary purpose of a relationship is that they would then be entitled to the same kinky sex she has had before. These 20 (five?) (two?) men have said that or is it a stretch you're pulling out for…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:59 AM
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Again. Look at it from a global scale, and you will see that the lower cultural level, the more...all of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:57 AM
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All of those can be easily explained with "lower socioeconomical status". Poor people fuck more. Again, using that very same data you'd come to the conclusion women are more attracted to starving africans that cannot even read, because those also are more likely of all those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:52 AM
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Pasting a comment with a link is a royal pain in the ass. Look up here for a post called "Bieng a jerk helps a lot", couple weeks ago. Look at the red pill responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:13 AM
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I have no idea. But if we don't buy the bullshit self reporting when women insist they are attracted to virtue, then we need to be intellectually consistent and disregard self-reporting by men talking about how much they fuck as any sort of believable truth. That's before even pointing out that men that are willing to admit to forcing a woman sexually are also more willing to lie about their degree of success, for a myriad of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:00 AM
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I am going to push back against stupid studies as much as when they come from women: Studies based on what people declare about themselves are worse than nothing. They are bias incarnate. Without even going into methodology, of fucking course the men that self-declare to fuck more are more likely to self-declare to pressure more. That has absolutely nothing to do with assholes being more liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:45 AM
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But... most... don't. Check the posts where someone redpill adjacent says women are attracted to assholes. Count the red pill responses saying that's not it. We're fairly aware of what works. Being an asshole doesn't. At most, the byproducts of it help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:42 AM
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Most of the red pill understands that there are naturals that don't really need theory, and that already signal confidence, assertiveness, charisma and competence. They may face other problems. And, as an extra layer of separation, the core message is "women are attracted to looks, confidence, assertiveness, charisma and competence". You already having that doesn't stop you from finding solutions to problems not related to the lack of those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:58 PM
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I have issues with work interviews. I come unprepared for them, and my attire could use some tuning. I am always underdressed. I didn't notice. I read it somewhere, though, and I got a number of tips, like investigating the company and asking good questions. I also get nervous, and I got the advice to go to many interviews, push through the panic, and pretend Im calm and collected until I actually get calm and collected. It landed me a number of good jobs, and eventually a great job. I know a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:07 PM
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That's a completely reasonable thing to say. And having a submissive man guarantees those don't happen. It just has the issue of guaranteeing other issues that also matter to women do happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:21 PM
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You are aware you come off as speaking from very intense emotions yourself, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:42 AM
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I mean, I am here because I like debate. I am really happily married to an amazing woman. As for "life without men", not... really. The fact that you can make your thought public and read by anyone not within earshot of you depends on hundreds of men. You can say "life without a partner is DIVINE", but that's a completely different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:41 AM
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Every civilization stole. Every civilization owned slaves. The US thrived over all other civilizations that slow and owned slaves, because of a mentality of hard work, capitalism ideas, and very clear limits to the social contract. Your hatred for the US is simple, boring propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:55 AM
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perhaps instead of submissive do you mean non-combative? easy going? patient? calm? why submissive specifically? This is not far from reality. It has several layers to it, and I will use both submissive women and dominant men as examples, because both are wanted. The first layer to wanting a submissive woman or a dominant men isn't what they are, but what they aren't. I don't want a woman whose ego leads. I don't want a fight at home, I don't want someone who sees my initiatives and achievements…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:49 AM
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The average person is averagely charismatic and average looking. Which is enough to every now and then get in a relationship with a decent degree of effort. "Average" isn't 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:04 AM
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Holy fuck the dude doesn't know you, isn't fucking you, hasn't even talked to you and you're already nagging. I guess thank you for making the point so clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:55 AM
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Fucking hell I'm going to make a post about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:56 PM
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Women avoid nice guys because "nice" is a horrible trait to have. And it's not the opposite of "being mistreated". Good is the opposite of evil. Not nice. Women don't avoid good men, they avoid nice ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:41 PM
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Again. "want", "like", doesn't mean "are sexually attracted to". "Treat me good enough and I'll want you" is male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:28 PM
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It's not efficient. It's not even a matter of justification. It's one of the stupid filters. This only works in the kind of people that will make your life worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:26 PM
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Women like being put on a pedestal. They are just not attracted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:05 PM
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Which is another reason NOT to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:03 PM
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It's not, though. You want to test for consistency and stability. Women are only presented facades, and they need tools to know if actions match words, and if character matches presentation. Shit tests ascertain that, whether consciously or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:00 PM
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That's why I said you don't deny it. I agree. Observation isn't flawless, and "the truth" cannot be ascertained from mere observation. But. A lot of truths can be, specially when you have some degree of control over the variables. I am myself. My looks and my monetarily status didn't significantly differ when I was 23 from when I was 19. Now, when I was 19 I did get 0 success. 0 out of maybe 50 women. And I don't even mean "not winning", but "not getting to play at all". Entire years of being ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:56 PM
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Negging is moronic. It doesn't work, and the little bit it may seem to work is either because there's something else going along it (showing a spine, a spur of confidence) or because you're targeting the type of mental instability you don't want in your life. Either way, there are better ways. (Edit) Way too often people with an inflated sense of self over-represent "negging". Sometimes he just doesn't like you and isn't into you, and is just rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:49 PM
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So, I've read through the comments and your deflections. Let me see if I get this right: - You don't claim observation is useless - You don't deny observation is superior to asking or believing what women say - You only state that observation is prone to bias, as any other method. Am I wrong here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:47 PM
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You called and they appeared.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:43 PM
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First, you don't need to be autistic to overshare about a hobby. Second, that's not at all what I said. I said that having a passion and talking about it doesn't constitute "having charisma and confidence" Which you know is true, but you're way too in to admit you said something moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:02 PM
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Why would it not be the case that people have something more than what OP wrote down?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:56 PM
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I am not saying hyperfocusing will make your dating impossible. I am pointing out that it's overwhelmingly not enough. And you've just confirmed this by saying "maybe some autistic woman (so the minority) won't find it a negative trait" PLUS, just to make this right: the fact women can relate to something doesn't mean they can be turned off by it. Hence the obese women not dating obese men, or the fact that if you allow weakness like the kind women show you're very likely going to have a really …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:42 PM
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The red pill came as a defiance to what in that moment was the mainstream belief. So the blue pill is, mostly, the mainstream belief. Which of course has a lot of different facets to it, and only becomes clear about what it isn't. But that's a commonality of every ideology. It can, however, be boiled down to "the belief that the traits that make a man interesting as a long term partner align with what make a man sexually desirable" The red pill is pretty much the observation of that not being th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:34 PM
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Confidence and charisma aren't "Being excited about the things you like" You have to be a bit confident, but a person autisticly going on and on over WH40K lore won't get laid. Charisma is more than being excited about things. Confidence is a lot more than being confident enough to talk about your hobbies. It also involves showing sexual and romantic interest, being able to flirt, not being overly respectful, having that "edge" or "spark". Being "social" and being assertive have very little to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:59 PM
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Yeah, nowhere near good enough. Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. If you lack those, your list is completely useless to "find love".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:24 PM
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Number of thoughts. First, "social skills" are like "Science skills". You can be great at math and utterly suck at chemistry. You are great at making "friends" but you suck at flirting. Second, you're squarely on the "You need to be more sexually aggressive" square. You come off as harmless, you're too scared to come off as creepy, and you consistently hide your sexual and romantic interest. You really need to show your sexual interest, even if that risks "making her uncomfortable" Third (or sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:14 PM
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It is fairly frequent, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:23 PM
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You're once again confusing "attracted to" with "want". No matter how much adoration, agreeableness and lack of opinion voicing an obese woman has, she won't become more attractive. No matter how little adoration, agreeableness, and surplus of opinion voicing a hot woman that wants to fuck you has, she won't be less attractive. Those only matter for relationships, not for attraction. Different stages. As a mental experiment: A Sydney Sweeney who is horny for a guy and has 0 adoration, 0 agreeabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:05 PM
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Good looks, willingness. There.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:58 PM
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What traits are you sexually attracted to in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:34 PM
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and won't lie about what we are attracted to. For fucks sake reading comprehension. I didn't say "Won't lie in dating advice".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:34 PM
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You're mixing attraction with dating with long term commitment. You're also mixing dating with finding a good man. Would you say attraction is 100% subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:33 PM
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oof
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:54 PM
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Men will be off or lie when talking about what they want in a relationship, but be completely sincere of what attracts them in the first place. Women will lie through their teeth about what gets them attracted, but be sincere about how to keep them in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:51 PM
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I'm going to suck my own dick and link to my own comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1qwfhqb/whats_the_difference_between_the_red_pill_and/o3p8b57/ Men don't have a motivation to lie because men don't need to select, nor they benefit from lying to women about what men are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:27 PM
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Sorry but are you having a stroke?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:25 PM
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There isnt really much advice to give for women in the first place. A man's chance to approach a woman follow a simple formula: (Physical attractiveness - Minimum threshold for attraction) \ Perceived chances to score* So as long as you're a 5 or above in looks, the easiest way to get a guy to chase you is to make him think he has a good chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:23 PM
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The issue is not the matter of agreement. The issue is the matter of communication. When you ask a woman what she's attracted to, her most likely response is a much more flattering "what she wants in someone she's already attracted to". Fewer women will answer "Tall, fit, assertive, confident and cheeky", they will answer something like "Respectful, listens to me, patient, takes care of himself" Ask a man, and the overwhelming majority will say precisely what attracts them. Again, because early …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:20 PM
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I am fairly sure you will have a considerably tough time finding a handful of men that insist they aren't primarily turned on by looks. Same goes with finding five men that insist that attraction is purely subjective (which it's not) But I needn't go that far. In your previous post, you yourself made the statement: "because attraction is fundamentally subjective." This isn't a "slight" difference. Ask a man what he's attracted to and odds are he'll give you an answer that you can actually enact …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:13 PM
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No. Men are more monolithic in their communication of their preferences. Women are equally monolithic but that's unflattering, so they go with the "attraction is subjective" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:06 PM
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Women give inconsistent advice because their in group bias prevents them from saying the unflattering truth about women. Women aren't more different. They just claim to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:05 PM
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and this suggests the opposite. This suggests exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:04 PM
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Women are going to get much better advice about how to get men's commitment and interest from women, no doubt. That said Men have way less interest in keeping a facade, and won't lie about what we are attracted to. We have very little issue admitting we're shallow in our dating preferences, and we generally don't try to go with any virtue signaling. So yeah, women will give better advice about how to get men where you want them, 100%, but men at least won't lie to you. Doesn't mean we'll be accu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:03 PM
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Step 1: Look at a comment about semantic definition Step 2: Say "This is all semantics!" Step 3: Feel like you've contributed something or made a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:23 PM
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Being good, truly good, takes courage and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:26 PM
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Making a new account? That's against the rules. I would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:27 PM
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Reddit. Funny way to prove my point. I upset a trans woman in the sub when I mentioned imposing your belief and forcing people to play along isn't how social constructs work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:24 PM
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It's important semantics though. Your friend gets a new attire. He looks like a clown. What's the nice thing to do, vs the kind thing to do? I'm bringing up that niceness is considered a moral trait, and that's a very dangerous poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:22 PM
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Sorry for the disappearance. I made the mistake of pointing out that "social constructs" are socially negotiated, not imposed, and that saying "I think I am X, so you should be forced to play along" is narcissistic behavior, and that trans people aren't what they insist they are. Of course that got me banned immediately =D
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:21 PM
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Being kind or good isn't a negative. Being nice is. Kindness and goodness are moral traits. Niceness is lack of assertiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:18 PM
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But in the end the redpill won i guess. No it did not. Nothing in the red pill says "be a jerk". Morality has nothing to do with attraction. Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness, competence, roughly in that order. Your friend lacked in several of them. He was overly careful. He was "nice", which signaled lack of assertiveness and confidence. He didn't realize that he could have turned things more physical, flirty, and interesting, which means he lacked charisma. The guy she ended up with M…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:17 PM
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If you don't know a person is a scammer you're going to treat them as a trustworthy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:11 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:09 PM
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Yeah. The difference is that society and I agree that I am a man. Again, if I said "I am a woman" and I demanded everyone treat me like a woman, is the same as if I said "I am a trustworthy person" and demanded everyone treats me like a trustworthy person. Both are social constructs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:00 PM
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Because gender is a social construct. Like, say, being a good person. So if I say I am a good person, and that's who I believe I am, society ought to treat me like one, right? Or, say, another social construct. Like "old". If an old man insists he's young, he should be treated as such, right? Get grants for young adults. Go to a speed dating place and women have to pretend not to notice he's 80. Because that's what social constructs are, right? Something you say about yourself and everyone has t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:56 AM
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Developing an internal self esteem starts by acknowledging where you're lacking. You love yourself despite your unattractiveness, instead of outright deluding yourself into thinking it's not unattractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:48 AM
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We have a body positivity movement. When a man loves his body, he treats his body right. Eats right. Stops storing fat in places where fat damages the body. When we love ourselves, we don't overload our joints. We don't harm our backs, our hearts, and pretty much our entire body. Saying "I love my body" and not keeping it cared for is like saying "I love my cat" and letting it die of obesity. Where is the short king pride movement? (I only ever see this from trans men). Where is the “bald men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:42 AM
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Not when you're easier to vault over than to walk around
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:37 AM
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It's not that I would show my wife my posts. I have already.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:00 AM
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And the chances for that one to find you attractive are the same if you're morbidly obese, stink, and dress like shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:25 PM
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There is one approach that works for most situations. No one size fits all, but one size fits most.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:14 PM
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You, lady, are fucking spot on. The resistance you found is one of the most difficult things to overcome. A lot of conditioning and fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:13 PM
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Personally, instead of passing them i would just not engage with them. That's 90% of how you pass them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:08 PM
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It's... not hard to see it as a checklist. I'll reframe the guy's question: The five pieces of advice that, if followed, would increase the chance of a random woman being attracted to you the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:07 PM
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Is your stance that because it's subjective, you're as likely to get romantic interest by looking fit, having good hygiene and dressing nice, as you are by being morbidly obese, stinking, and dressing with old clothes that don't fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 09:03 PM
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Do you disagree with OP's statement? Then say why you disagree. Do you not disagree with the statement? Then move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:00 PM
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"Maybe men that want to date and have sex cannot get close to attractive women without wanting to date and/or fuck them" Duh. It's dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:59 PM
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I am consistently whined to whenever I say you should make your sexual and romantic interest known from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:56 PM
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Women don't usually give advice that people need to hear. They give socially acceptable advice that they want to be heard saying. Oof.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:55 PM
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I didn't say "It's okay to hurt people against their will" But okay, I'll be fair. I will ask you: Do you consider it morally wrong to willingly give your partner an STD? To slap a woman across her face if she disrespects you? Is your answer "yes" or "It depends"?
/r/ExRedPill28/02/26 08:57 PM
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Look, if you want to embrace moral relativism to that extent, I won't try to stop you. But then you need to look at some consequences. If what you say is true, then slapping a woman across the face for disrespecting you isn't morally wrong. Because somewhere, someone is into it. Again, from your point of view, willfully giving your partner an STD isn't morally wrong. Because, again, someone finds it, as you say, "titillating". I personally prefer to acknowledge that if a behavior makes the world…
/r/ExRedPill28/02/26 08:38 PM
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If attractive men use women as disposable with all that entails simply because they have options, then logically any man who will have options will behave like that, and others will just quietly want to, what makes a man a desirable to have in woman's life? This is an example of stacking a number of fallacies to get to a stupid point. Some attractive men use women as disposable because they have much better options. So the follow up "any man that..." doesn't really track.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:32 PM
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It's not a matter of projecting. The message you're sending is "I want other people to be sexually aroused by me, and I will take steps to make that happen". That's not something okay to say. And it's not even a men vs women thing. Most women would absolutely be hurt if their husband went out of the way to get other women wanting him.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/26 07:37 PM
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I can boil this down to a formula. (How attractive she is - what's the minimum I would tolerate) * How likely I am to score
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:34 PM
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They seemingly cannot fathom how a woman may want to look hot and enjoy feeling wanted by other men while at the same time having no intention whatsoever to cheat on or leave her current partner because he's a great, awesome and kind guy. It's not hard to fathom a woman that doesn't intend to cheat but enjoys the attention. Everyone likes feeling desired. It's not that people don't do it out of not wanting to. Those -men and women- that don't do it, avoid it because it's wrong. Wanting sexual at…
/r/ExRedPill28/02/26 07:20 PM
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Again, no need for increased success chances, if women are better, your dating life improves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:07 PM
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...I have no idea... never claimed that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:26 PM
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Culture, priorities, looks. Of course there's more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:10 PM
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Why on earth would that be the only difference? Are men on average the same quality of partners in Iran than in Ghana than in Denmark? Would you blame a woman in Iran that moves to Denmark to find a husband in a place where men are on average better?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:18 AM
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A good chunk of passport bros just want to go where women are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:56 PM
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If the stronger has a duty to protect, the weaker has a duty to obey. If I have a duty to take a knife or a bullet for you, I also have the authority to say which places we don't go through. There cannot be one without the other. That's pure entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:28 PM
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Ah, the child like entitlement. "You have no authority to tell me how to act or where to go, but you need to protect me from drawing danger to myself and going to dangerous places"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:17 PM
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Anything, literally anything but accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:59 PM
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In the overwhelming majority of relationships, neither is "more trained". So, again, the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:59 PM
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Obviously not. My wife is brilliant. As I am the person better suited for safety, I am the person in charge of safety. This is not something we spoke about: it's assumed in most relationships. As the person in charge of it, I am the one constantly assessing the risks. I do it so she doesn't have to. Again, that's unspoken. So it's not that she cannot calculate them. It is that she delegates that on me. She doesn't consider safety when deciding plans, because I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:58 PM
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The partner trained to fight more physically, which is more often the man due to parents not teaching their daughters fighting in mostly in order to uphold gender norms, you mean. You can't seriously talk about science and studies and the like and then say physical force difference is only -or primarily- due to "gender norms"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:38 PM
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It's not a matter of stats. Every single time physical force is needed, the man has the responsibility to protect his partner. So take that "shared" and add "except when it comes to physical force", and you will see where my "most" comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:19 PM
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It's not about necessary. It's about who has the last say. My wife likes planning trips. She dedicates way more time to looking at flights and hotels, and she makes most of the decisions. But I have the ultimate say about where we go, because if something dangerous happens, it's on me to protect her. So no matter how much she wants to go to Egypt, we aren't going. In a traditional marriage, sure, the husband can delegate most of the decision making to the wife. But if, say, she wants to buy a ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:07 PM
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which means it is not a neutral dataset of preferences. It's as influenced and biased as self-reporting, minus the bias for looking good and appearing virtuous. People also consume media within constraints. If most available narratives are skewed in certain ways, consumption does not necessarily imply full endorsement of those dynamics. That makes media a filtered and potentially distorted proxy for underlying preferences. Within those constraints (which are, by the way, massively broad), consum…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:51 PM
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True. And in that domain, the woman has authority. The household is expected to work, that's the woman's responsibility, and if the husband tries to say which brand of whatever is bought, he's out of place and doesn't have the final say. As the flipside, because the finances fall squarely on the man's shoulder, it's his authority to determine how much can the woman spend, and wether splurges are acceptable or not. Because if there's an economic crisis, an accident, an extra cost, ETC, it's on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:49 PM
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First, the idea that responsibility always requires singular authority is debatable. In many real-world dynamics, people share responsibility without one person having final decision-making power. Yes. Indeed, if responsibility is shared, so is authority. If responsibility isn't shared, then neither is authority. If I cannot tell a junior employee what to do, and potentially replace him I cannot be held responsible for the results of his work. Second, the claim that most consequences fall on men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:46 PM
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Just those based on reporting. You can make extremely accurate observations by checking behavior. Marketing exists on that very premise. In this particular case, for instance, if I was to check what women are attracted to in relationships, I'd start by seeing which romantic media is actually consumed by women and what attributes male romantic interests have in that media.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:07 PM
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I am going to go on another angle. Responsibility unavoidably requires authority. In a relationship, any decision that has consequences that will end up on the man's shoulders has to be the man's authority. Any decision with consequences that lie on the woman's, the woman has the final say. Now, the former are much more frequent than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:58 PM
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Second, the idea that women avoid responsibility is not strongly supported by research. Not really going to argue one way or another, but the "science" on motivations, preferences and behavior is often (almost always) extremely biased, based mostly on self-reporting, and as such heavily inclined to whatever makes the group feel better. For example, multiple reviews in behavioral science and economics find that women often report Good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:53 PM
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He did try to help himself though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:53 PM
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This is the first time you're getting near actionable advice. I teach for a living. In theory I'm an engineer but that's just the title. You don't assume people know what you know. Never.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:37 PM
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Agree sans the daddy thing. Please let's let that particular aspect of modernity die.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:24 PM
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No. You do determine whether you want to spend any amount of time at all, or if your time is better invested elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:16 PM
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"Will this person make for a good relationship?" is the core question early dating aims to answer. But you know what? Yes. You need to reject people. Say that they aren't good enough for you. That's quite lacking in humanity. Fairly sure you would never tell women to date someone they aren't attracted to because it's the kind thing to do, though...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:54 AM
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It's not about corporate. Both a potential date and an employer are trying to ascertain deeper qualities based on shallow traits that can be displayed within thirty minutes. Both need to be extremely selective. Both need to rely on a number of "biases". I can keep going. Has nothing to do with corporate and a lot to do with the nature of interpersonal dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:47 AM
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But that's again an empty platitude. "Best" can be a number of things. You're optimizing for attraction. So yeah, if your advice is "Be the most attractive version of yourself", the immediate follow up question is "how".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:40 AM
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Why not both? I agree that the person you're arguing with here is giving accurate but extremely incomplete advice. I wouldn't call it non-actionable as much as "not specific enough".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:39 AM
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That's not bad. It's however very shallow, and will not help with the more in-detail issues. Good advice goes beyond the general direction. It swoops down to very actionable things (which yours lacks) and ideally hovers up to more general causes. I'll take one as an example. "Approach woman" said to someone without social skills. - How do I approach them? - What do I say? - What do I do when they inevitably answer one word answers? - How do I pivot from asking questions? - What do I do with my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:37 AM
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I mean, it's not rocket science to set relatively straight win conditions and measure yourself by them. Stay in the conversation for over a minute. Get a number Get into a long conversation...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:31 AM
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I mean, approaching women is a way to work on your social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:27 AM
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I assume RP is mostly for neurodiverse folks. Not really. There are a lot of people that just haven't had good examples growing up and as such their only way to understand a topic that feels really dangerous is self-interested "advice". ND people dont do well with the unactionable advice. This is a bit of a feeble attempt at saying "well they're different". Actionable advice is better than non-actionable one. Almost by fucking definition. Saying "autistic people do better with the actionable one…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:24 AM
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But there's a false dichotomy there. "Be yourself" vs "Pretend to be someone else". You're ignoring the most important aspect: change. A struggling person, say, unemployed, doesn't pay attention to his looks, his only hobby is videogames, still living with his parents, zero practiced social skills, introverted in behavior, is all those things. "Be yourself" won't help this person. This person needs to become someone else. When you clean up your looks, and get fit, you're changing how you are. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:06 AM
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Both come from the same source: Both work when you already are attractive. "Be yourself" when you already naturally know how to behave with women, or when you're good looking enough not to need it, is akin to "just buy lottery" from a lottery winner. A person that's already attractive sincerely only needs not to overthink it and to relax. And relaxing helps a lot. Signals a lot of confidence and, again, in someone that already is attractive, will boost their attractiveness. All the remaining adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:57 AM
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I think you're mixing two quite separate things here. The be yourself problem and the "I tell you what you need to do to keep a woman that's already attracted to you" problem. Both come from the same source, but they are different issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:44 AM
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Nope, worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:55 AM
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Ah, subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:17 AM
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Bro tried to cold approach once and now he's going to make it everyone's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:17 AM
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It screams more India than Iran to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:16 AM
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There are some things that should be shamed. One is weakness trying to paint itself as virtue. How does it feel to be left behind by society? If empty virtue signaling made to cover for your insecurities is "forward", I am fine being left "behind".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:14 AM
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Cold approaching has a bad rep because people that are bad at doing it are very cringy. Cold approaching isn't saying "I saw you from across the place, you look great, can I have your number?" When done well it starts by making a quick noncommital comment and seeing if the person wants to talk more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:53 AM
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"I'll get physically violent with any man that approaches a family member of mine, but I'm all for arranged marriages" Sigh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:50 AM
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Any man approaching a woman from my family for whatever reason would give me a motive for violence and for a fight. If you feel the same ...Most people don't feel the need to get physical over a man talking to someone in their family. Also, as you well mentioned: First, you're pathetic because you act upon your lowest desires and instincts. Sooo let me get this straight: striking up a random conversation with a family member of yours makes me "pathetic" for acting upon my lowest instincts, but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:40 AM
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That's a lot, lot of words to say "I am terrified of women and I feel bad when other men aren't, so I do a lot of rationalization". I'll break this down with more detail in a moment, just wanted this out first.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:29 AM
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Oh, a statement about a gender as a whole should never be scrutinized, it's there to see people react. And then women get their panties in a knot when someone says AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:44 PM
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I don't disagree. But we can agree women are ALSO treating men as predators in less instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:41 PM
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So your statement here is that not a single time has a woman treated men as predators instead of potential predators? Is that what you want to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:37 PM
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And you are not seeing the nuance between a potential criminal and a criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 02:34 PM
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I took that comment literally. "men get offended if women treat him as a sexual predator" Not a potential threat. Not with caution. As a sexual predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:28 PM
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I have no issue with distrust. There is a significant difference between treating someone as a potential predator -being careful- and treating them as predators. The latter is less common, but it happens. Has happened to me. Has happened to pretty much everyone I know. And there's a constant message to push for that particular form of divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:22 PM
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Again. You can say "I don't know enough to decide if a ban is the best idea" I hold that opinion over a number of topics. You don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:17 PM
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Do you have an opinion about literally every possible legal combination? Isn't there at least one topic where you can say "I don't know nearly enough to know if it should be legal or illegal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:09 PM
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Why do you say "it's not how it works"? I perfectly understand and respect "I don't have a specific opinion on whether abortion should be legal"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:54 AM
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I can agree with that. It's stupid, its moronic, it's ego based, but it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:23 AM
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Let's delve there because OP doesn't seem to like nuance. Do you really think that there's no difference between a potential threat and an active threat? You'd treat a man that could be a predator the same way you treat one that's confirmed to be one?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:07 AM
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Oh no, it's not a compliment. Too reasonable, get out. Just kidding. Smart people tends towards nuance as time passes. Specially if you don't remain clinically online.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:04 AM
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You're too reasonable for this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:52 AM
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"Please stop saying your opinion in public. SPECIALLY stop replying to the women who say their opinion "I prefer the bear" in public. They can say their opinion. You can't."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:48 AM
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If she's keeping a persona, she's kept it up for months now. I am yet to see anything even marginally reasonable from her. It is, however, amusing to just see her get into stupid and stupider situations, and then try to get out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:33 AM
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Stop trying to tell women what you think, we don’t care. Again: you're in a debate sub. Literally for telling other people what you think. You're walking in a book club and screaming "WHO CARES WHAT BOOK YOU'RE READING!" it’s up to the individual to decide how she treats people, and how she jets herself get treated. The notion that that decision should be 100% uninformed is just silly. You are basically claiming that one cannot ascertain anything about others by listening to others, and that eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:18 AM
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Again. There's a difference between treating everyone as a potential threat and as an active threat. That’s another point, men get offended if women treat him as a sexual predator I don't get offended if a stranger woman treats me as a potential sexual predator. But that's not what you said, was it, lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:07 AM
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I gave you an example. I'll spell it out again: I don't give a fuck about how I dress. For me, clothes are literally a way to avoid cold in winter and prison time for exhibitionism in summer. I'd throw anything on top of me and call it a day. I was struggling with dating. I realized women really cared about how you dressed, I struggled less. This is specially important when there is someone encouraging you to do the opposite, or deceiving you about how things really work. So, while it wasn't the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:05 AM
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To me, most people wanting to do business are strangers. I treat them with the caution I use with strangers. I don't assume they are evil scammers out to get me. You seem to be under the fallacious impression that "protecting yourself" means treating everyone as a criminal because they could potentially be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:49 AM
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I operate under the condition that people want to be liked and find the best partner(s) they can. That said, I still fail to see how that forces anyone to do anything. I'm going to take your example. Saying I (or most men, actually) are attracted to women that have had less sexual partners doesn't force anyone to do anything. I'll translate it: This is an attribute I both care about and seen other people care about. If you want to improve your chances with that particular collective, then you sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:47 AM
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And, pray tell, how am I forcing my preferences onto anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:39 AM
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Yeah that's outright disingenuous. You can be upset at being treated like a scammer for no fucking reason and at the same time telling people to stop replying to African princes with a fortune they need moved for a fee.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:38 AM
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How dare you make claims about dating dynamics in a forum whose explicit porpoise is to debate about dating dynamics! Ew! Keep that to your dating profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:35 AM
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First, sardines are fucking delicious. Second, it's a completely different statement. "The bar is in hell for men" -> Women have very low expectations of men "The bar is in hell for men I am attracted to" -> Women cannot control their impulses and let themselves be treated like shit by any man that's good looking enough. Massive difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:27 PM
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You got it right. When a woman brings that comment up during the first date (or second, or third) you should not point the truth out. You should have enough social skills to understand that a woman doing that is at least one of three thing, probably the three. 1- Ideologically driven to the extreme 2- Socially inept 3- Intellectually challenged Bringing up the truth of the whole thing is pointless in the three cases. So you nod, smile, end the date as soon as possible, and then text her "I had a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:48 PM
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Any statement the average woman makes can be translated from virtuesignal to English with one single trick: add "for the men that I'm already attracted to" at the end of it. The bar is in hell... for the men she's already attracted to. She wants kindness and respect... in the men she's already attracted to. Men [she's already attracted to] put no effort in dating or even casual sex. Women have a very hard time noticing men that aren't attractive or dangerous. That's the source of "I prefer the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:42 PM
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The Red pill doesn't account for the women who stay with their sick husbands A relationship isn't only the initial attraction. A person who acts only on primitive impulse is barely even human. The red pill explains what attracts women. A person, man or woman, can show love and care and keep a relationship going despite not feeling attraction temporarily. Attraction is a requirement for the relationship to start. it doesn't account for the women who treat their partners well even when they lose f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:54 PM
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I'll give you a more specific answer. AWALT isn't a belief or a cornerstone. It's a response. It's a very very specific response that works as a potent heuristic for the very specific case of a still inexperienced person drinking the kool-aid and insisting "she's not like that". It has never meant "all women are the same". It's never meant "all women think and behave the same". In fact, it really lines up with the not-RP often parroted expression "women cannot choose who they are attracted to". …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:43 PM
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But now your point dwindles to "some people ignore objectively bad things". Same with a cigarette smoker, I pass my own judgements on these people (they are careless about their health) and would not pursue a romantic relationship with them, but this preference is not universal. True. And the same with a meth user (it's a matter of degree, right?) So now you're saying that drug use "never matters objectively" and is "akin to eye color". See how it's getting a bit thin?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:45 AM
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I'm going to push back on this a little. Imagine you meet a guy that, by 19, has had sex with three hundred and fifty two women. Would you consider this as irrelevant, akin to eye color, or you'd say that such behavior is probably indicating dysregulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:13 PM
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Because despite what the unhinged say, men and women behave different in society, have different roles, are judged by different measures, and as such if you're to have a role model (someone who models your role, someone to imitate), the gender of the person matters a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:38 PM
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Neither creepy nor mean in this case, pinky promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:59 PM
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My anger isn't impotent either. I thought I was the only guy who called his penis anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:52 AM
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I am aware that your confidence is inherent and unshakable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:46 AM
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You certainly have uncontested levels of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:41 AM
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You're right. I don't know what overcame me. I guess I pulled that label out of thin air. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:40 AM
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Fair. We do agree it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:16 AM
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Approaching wherever worked fine enough for me. Got rejected a bunch of times, got sex a bunch of times, met the woman that would end up becoming my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:03 AM
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Not a minute ago a "patriarchy smasher" insisted that, and I quote, "the woman needs to be asking to be hit on" Argue with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:32 AM
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Thank you for proving my point. Go forth and keep smashing the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:24 AM
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Admittedly at work it's a bad idea. Bad if it fails, horrible if it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:09 AM
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Yeah. Blue pill has the "approach* women" *: But not in the gym, or in the street, or in public transport, or in any public space that isn't clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:53 PM
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Not a bad question. But a slightly skewed framework. You are trying to frame the red pill from the angle of the blue pill/mainstream advice. "Do X and you eventually will be liked by someone" "Be a nice guy and someone will fall for you" "Be respectful and clean and you'll find someone special" I can keep going. Notice that all of them are passive. Be good enough and someone will come to you. Mostly because the mainstream advice is geared to benefit (and ego up) women. Makes their life very easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:41 PM
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So you're telling me that you're living a miserable life, but that it's fine, because you go out of your way -and endure more miserable time- just to do more harm. Not only that, you're telling me this has happened enough for you to develop a method. I don't know why I am thinking about my ex who insisted all the guys she dated were toxic and crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:07 PM
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Seems like a very miserable way to live your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:31 PM
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Holding someone accountable for the words they said is 100% legit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:26 PM
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No, no, this one the overlap is massive. I don't deny most complaints are about two kinds of people. This ain't that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:25 PM
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Again: I'm not saying that you are bad. Your argument is that media depicts men as evil by representing them as evil. While you yourself depict men as fucking evil. It's not an ad hominem. I'm calling you out in your hypocrisy. And then there's the second layer of hypocrisy. When called out on that, you say "it's just memes and kinks in appropriate places, they don't say anything about me". But then you immediately align your worldview with the porn you consume by saying things like "women need …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 12:08 PM
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That lines up with other people I know with aspergers. Just testing some correlations, do you like dogs? Also, there are a couple things I wanted to share privately, if you don't mind a DM. Yours are blocked
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:40 AM
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I mean in all your comments. Too reasonable, too sincere, not agenda driven. It's refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:32 AM
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Again: you want to call it "just a kink" or "memes", and pretend that's separate from your quality as a human being. But out of your own mouth: Women do need to get kicked down a notch, they know it too, why else would their be so many women who enjoy men degrading then in miso roleplay subs? while at the same time you say: men are portrayed as evil, irresponsible, careless, stupid, or liars who appear good at first but actually are bad. You post vile shit, then play stupid saying "it's just mem…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:23 AM
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You're way too reasonable for this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:19 AM
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Look; I'll be direct: Unless you call anyone not morbidly obese "chad", I'm not chad. But yes. You do need to stop being morbidly obese to even get a chance. So get to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:12 AM
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Counterpoint: “Anger is just anger. It isn't good. It isn't bad. It just is. What you do with it is what matters. It's like anything else. You can use it to build or to destroy. You just have to make the choice." Constructive anger," the demon said, her voice dripping sarcasm. Also known as passion," I said quietly. "Passion has overthrown tyrants and freed prisoners and slaves. Passion has brought justice where there was savagery. Passion has created freedom where there was nothing but fear. Pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:04 AM
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As a red pill man, I concur. Get out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:01 AM
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I'm going to push back on that. You are a man complaining about the poor image men have, because of the evil media, while at the same time posting, and I quote: "Just another obedient yellow slut who needs her vanilla protein shake" and "Just a good little asian fucktoy waiting for her meal" "Finally finding her place" "Cocksleeve" "Small holes need to be enslaved" No one is shaming you for your kinks. It's your hypocrisy. Any person -man or woman- seeing what you actively post will invariably w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:01 AM
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What a horrible day to have eyes. What the fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:57 AM
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Considering you want to be logic, according to your flair, I will give you a counterpoint: Hostility is way more prone to create wariness when every individual hostile to is stronger and can severely harm you if they so want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:53 AM
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I dunno man. I'm poor as fuck, my looks aren't outside the thick of the bell curve, and I've got a loving, amazing wife. And that's after being way too much of a man whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:45 AM
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If every woman you encounter in your life is opportunistic and predatory, you need to ask yourself what are you doing to filter out those that aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:44 AM
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But OP isn't applying it to older women, just to those that insist that the only reason to prefer someone younger is predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:42 PM
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First, I'm sorry you are suffering. It sounds... tough. Second, I don't deny that there are pretty morally fucked things you can do using red pill knowledge. I sincerely don't. But the things you described don't... sound red pilled. They aren't. First, the scope of the red pill is to create attraction. You apply like 85% of it on the period of time between meeting someone and fucking them. And yeah, a lot of manipulation can happen there, and there's a conversation to be had about what's moral a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:01 PM
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We can agree that guidelines to get what you want and fantasies of being someone that gets what you want can converge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:16 PM
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And that's generally the behavior outside debate and sharing forums. But the analogy only stretches so far, because the core issue is that many of the statements of the red pill are unflattering or inconvenient to women, hence the pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:49 AM
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If you need to play games to get a woman, the best you get is a woman that plays games. If you're interested, show it and show it earlier. No need to push it, but show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:55 AM
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There are some misconceptions here, and it's important to set them right. I'll address your first paragraph about indifference. This is an understanding that lacks nuance; and the consequence of applying specific approaching advice to life. Not only it's horrible life advice, it's bad dating advice. I noticed quickly that red pill tactics focused on cultivating a certain kind of indifference. Indifference to outcomes, indifference to whether or not a woman wants to be with you or whether she dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:49 AM
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What a horrible day to have the gift of literacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:08 AM
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Not exactly power fantasies as much as guidelines on how to behave, though. Both a liiiittle skewed and out of place, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:07 AM
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Literally every woman says that. It's like a dude saying "marketing doesn't work on me"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:06 AM
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To that, I reply, "If a sizeable amount of the population really made an effort to keep telling you there's not such a traffic jam, and that traveling by car at 8:40 was perfect, and that you're making it up, you PROBABLY would make it more of a deal than it is" If people stopped lying about sexual dynamics, then red pillers would not have to reassert obvious shit every three posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:46 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:28 PM
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By all means, elaborate on what I said that was "irrational"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:23 PM
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Don't really ... agree... with anything. Sorry. Dividing people in oppressors and oppressed is just leftist mind rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:39 PM
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Sincerely don't waste your time. This dude has one topic, one. And nothing he sees will ever suffice. Anyone that doesn't agree with him is a "lying grifter" and I've written him down as an absolute waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:38 PM
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Don't disagree. But if you look at the original thing you replied to, I didn't say it was bad to try to fix global issues. I said it was bad to try to do it without first fixing local ones. It's the case of the jobless unproductive person in their parent's basement, that lives in a filthy room, but still makes protests to tell the government how to organize the country. Walk before you run. You cannot fix the dating market if you don't have enough understanding to get a single date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:35 PM
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Oh, you were trying to imply that it's morally negative? Okay, I'll give you a real answer of how I've used that information: Women are attracted to confidence. A critical part of showing confidence (and something you can confirm I've said repeatedly here) is to show your real intentions soon. Thus, it's a really really bad idea to hide your romantic or sexual interest; it doesn't work, it makes you fall face first into the friendzone, and there's no need for it, as women like being wanted as lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:27 PM
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... I love how some people, instead of reading and responding to what they read, quickly look through the post, ask themselves "what is the box this closest fits into, that I have a preprogrammed, memorized response to", and then they spew that response like a poorly trained parrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:25 PM
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So, we did changes that were within our capacity to make life better for us and our immediate circle, instead of trying to fix the entire situation globally? Yeah, my point, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:17 PM
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Yep. When we faced horrible winters, we just made the world warmer. And the dangerous animals? We made them friendlier. Nothing about sharp sticks. Who's heard of antibiotics? We just willed germs into nothingness. Vaccines? Nah, just make it so viruses don't exist. I can keep going.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:06 PM
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So answer. The Ukrainian family that doesn't protest the war, and just keeps trying to defend themselves in the countryside, they are enjoying it? A muslim girl that has fled rape, abuse and death, if she's not protesting, she's enjoying it? A rape victim that now carries pepper spray but doesn't do activism, enjoys rape? According to your words, the answer in those three is "yes", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:48 PM
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No, no, you don't get to take a step back and generalize. The Ukrainian family that doesn't protest the war, and just keeps trying to defend themselves in the countryside, they are enjoying it? A muslim girl that has fled rape, abuse and death, if she's not protesting, she's enjoying it? A rape victim that now carries pepper spray but doesn't do activism, enjoys rape? Answer the questions. At the very least be congruent with your own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:44 PM
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So, let's make this clear: The Ukrainian family that doesn't protest the war, and just keeps trying to defend themselves in the countryside, they are enjoying it? A muslim girl that has fled rape, abuse and death, if she's not protesting, she's enjoying it? A rape victim that now carries pepper spray but doesn't do activism, enjoys rape? That's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:38 PM
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Notice that to make your own point make sense, you had to shrink problems down to something a person can fix by themselves. Your analogies don't extend past individual power. I'll show you: "If you are Ukrainian and just try to protect your family from looters and criminals, but are doing nothing to end the war, you are content with it and thus want it to stay that way" "If you're a parent and teach your child what to do in the event of a school shooting, but aren't doing activism to stop gun ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:26 PM
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the core issue here is that you are doing precisely what I made this post for. As activism is more and more used as a coping method, and as polarization deepens, people see everything through the lens of activism. And not everything is about activism. Hell, not even all help comes in the form of activism. I'd go as far as to say that most real help is not activism. I'll give you an example: When I wrote a job about how to do well in job interviews, I did mention how shallow interviewers are. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:04 PM
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If you need to see how the information is used to answer in what way the information has morality, then it's not the information having morality, but the way it's used.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:37 PM
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Figuring out what "attracts women" is far, far, far from neutral information. Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:17 PM
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Many of these people are raised on movies with sociopathic anti-heroes, and they live in a culture which praises and excuses these values. Bold thing to say when you basically admitted you're fine with financing child slavery because "everyone else is". Talk about sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:58 PM
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"Evil", "Gross", "low-key scary", "villain" Did I say any lie? All you're doing is tone policing. If what I said is wrong, or fallacious, point out where.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:44 PM
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I AM NOT A THIRD OF A PERSON! Sorry, couldn't resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:39 PM
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Not an unfair way of summarizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:36 PM
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So are you. If your family member dies, you're devastated. If the friend of a friend dies, you're worried and concerned (mostly about your friend, that should tell you something) If someone in your neighborhood dies, you get upset. Someone in the country? That's pure statistics, you need to either see it happening or have a lot of them. Someone over in Congo? It doesn't even register in your day to day life. Can barely spare a thought. Your reaction isn't "You're wrong". It's "I don't like what …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:34 PM
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It's easier. Not necessarily good. In fact, it's bad. Try not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:25 PM
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My OP is that the red pill doesn't point out "unfair" things to change them, just to act in accordance to them. Doesn't mean sexual strategies cannot be morally ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:23 PM
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You can't solve supply-side issues by focusing on demand. That's literally how every single supply side issue has been solved. You are basically saying "Well, hundreds of thousands of people rape, so I might as well". You don't like it, but you are giving money to companies that use child slaves, when you could get almost the same results from giving it to a company that doesn't. You don't give a fuck about funding child slavery, because you want your phone to be slightly more convenient. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:16 PM
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Sexual strategy isn't amoral and anyone saying it is is completely and utterly moronic. And if you're claiming that the majority of TRP thinks that rape carries no moral component, then you're either too dumb to continue this discussion or arguing in bad faith. "I didn't say rape..." Rape is a sexual strategy. It's a strategy that leads to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:14 PM
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I find it particularly telling when people try to change the world before changing their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:12 PM
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I use a lot of em...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:58 PM
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The problem here is that the examples you're giving aren't knowledge. They are strategies -most morally wrong, one misunderstood- weaved from the knowledge. You can, as you well pointed, say "dread game is morally fucked". And you can make a push for avoiding that. But, what kind of moral disclaimer can you make if you say, "Women aren't attracted to neediness?" Sure, you can derive "spinning plates" from that, but also "have a hobby so you're not thinking about her all the time".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:56 PM
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Look, man: You own a cell phone that uses child slave labor. You didn't give a fuck about it. You still got it. And when you read that last paragraph, you probably thought "capitalism demands I use a phone" or some other self assuring bullshit But there are companies of cellphones that actively fight against child slave labor. They exist, but you didn't even give enough of a fuck to do the 3 minute google search to find them. Again, because you don't give a fuck about child slaves coughing out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:48 PM
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I can answer: "But that's all just reworded common sense and has been said a million times before by non red pillers"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:40 PM
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No that's for the frontflip.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:30 PM
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To jump high, aiming up, not front, tuck the knees into the chest, and only untuck them at the very end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:28 PM
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True. "If you want to attract a woman, you need"-> truth "To not break your neck during a frontflip, do..." -> truth
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:25 PM
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Or, if you're not a cynical, eroded person, "It's easier to empathize on a much higher level when it's a pain I've experienced already" Every minute, a child dies for completely preventable causes. You don't give a fuck. You will read this, and not give a fuck. Empathy is local, let's not pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:23 PM
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True. It's mostly projection, but also not understanding the difference between correlation and causation. Might edit, but at this stage it feels a tad nitpicky.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:14 PM
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The thing is, the entire "evopsych" is... Entertaining, fun, amusing, and I believe there's a lot of truth to it. But ultimately irrelevant. I don't need to understand my own biophys to do a frontflip. I only need to understand the steps I need to take, not why it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:12 PM
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Which is the same issue feminism has, "adscribers" that don't really follow the core of it, and the issue of self-determination. I don't hesitate to call out people that say stupid shit and consider themselves red pilled. But again, unlike feminism, this isn't a social movement, so I have no intention of "cleaning" it. I'll help the dudes I can, set things straight because I like debate and procrastinate work, but that's pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:10 PM
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And if you ask a person that's both a feminist and pro-palestine, they will actively believe they are the same values.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:07 PM
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Do you need a study of starch reaction to heat, the inner working of yeast, and chemical structure of sugar at different temperatures to follow a "bake for 30 minutes at 160ºC" instruction?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:06 PM
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Thank you for so succinctly illustrating the point I was trying to make about projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:04 PM
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There are a LOT of men, even here, that keep the "do the work" advice. I am one of them, but if you actually look at posts, you'll see plenty of agreement. I am not going to "no true scotsman" you. But for exactly the same reason I say the red pill isn't a social movement, self-identifying as red pilled doesn't make you one. Those that see the red pill as a social movement to change how attraction works are just not getting the core point of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:02 PM
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I am going to push back a little bit. With a tad of nuance and flexibility, the core idea of the red pill can apply perfectly well to any moment in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:59 AM
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You point out the overlap between people that agree with the red pill observations and conservatives. And... I don't disagree. People who agree with the RP often also hold conservative viewpoints that do want to change society. But that says very little about the movement. In the west, there are a lot of feminist people that are also pro-islam, for instance. So you will say that there's a considerable overlap between, say, opinions for palestine and feminist values. That doesn't mean that femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:57 AM
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"These are my principles, and if you don't like them, I've got other" or something like that. Anyways, I fully want to understand your argument, so correct me if I'm wrong: is it that the understanding of what attracts women leads to overwhelmingly predatory behavior? If it's so, is that enough to suppress the knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:53 AM
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It also sounds like any single manual of anything. Yesterday I had to connect a controller to a linux system. Downloaded a book (the instructions manual), put some effort into doing what it said I had to do (Holding S + B together for three seconds), it didn't work, so I discarded the manual. Got another book. Read up that linux only works with X-Input. Put some effort into it (borrowed an x-input controller), it did work. I just followed the doctrine, saw what worked. Now when someone asks me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:48 AM
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I'd go as far as to say it's not really criticism, just an observation of a trait considered negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:35 AM
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Your argument is a completely valid reply, but to a point I didn't make. I am not saying that RP advice is moral or not. I can get there if you want, but I need to clarify this first. My entire argument is that RP doesn't try to change the world. That when it says "X works this way", it's not criticism of how it works. Saying "women do A, B and C" and "They prefer A, B and C" doesn't mean we want that to stop happening. Or that we know why. That's the misinterpretation I see often. So, to sum it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:34 AM
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My analogy is not about RP observations being "truth" or not. Just about the fact that stating something without either trying to fix nor explain it isn't "cult" behavior, and that it happens all the time. People share information about issues all the time without needing to pinpoint the cause nor attempting to change it at all. But you know what? If analogies make you feel sad I'll address your comment directly: Accept the divine truth that only the true members get Not really. Most people with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:18 AM
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Not at all. Even in this zoo of a subreddit, you can see a considerable agreement about what it is and what it isn't. There are outliers, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:58 AM
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"I don't know why there's a traffic jam at 8:40, nor I care about trying to solve it, but don't take the car at that time or you'll spend three hours in traffic" "CULT!" ...sigh.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:57 AM
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I don't even believe it's a decline. It's the current manifestation of a number of needs. But a "red pill" that doesn't focus on adapting to what is, isn't a red pill. It can be conservatives, it can be whatever, but it's like saying "modern feminism doesn't want to improve women's situations where it's unequal".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:55 AM
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The thing is, "This is the natural order" is again a "cause". It's fun to ponder about it, but ultimately irrelevant. And no, there's no "changing it would lead to worse things", because changing it has never been a part of the red pill scope. Sure, someone can say that if pressed with "why don't you want to change it". But ultimately, red pill is adapting to what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:46 AM
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"Please don't jump into the crocodile pond" "It seems you should be against crocodiles" At this step you are projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:00 AM
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I'll help out. "Genuine attraction" is used as opposition to "settling". Genuine attraction means that the drive behind the relationship is attraction and not convenience. "Unconditional love" is bullshit. Get a dog if you want it. And not even then. "Agreeable" is used in opposition to "unpleasant", with a heavy connotation on the amount of opposition a person consistently generates. This, I admit, is the one that can be somewhat vague. "Frame" is used in "to hold frame", and it's mostly short …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:46 PM
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Funny bit is, there is an answer. Stop having sex outside a public and committed relationship. There. That should solve like 80% of the issues of modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:32 PM
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The fact you immediately consider traditional family structure with "bad" says enough about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:23 PM
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You didn't ASK a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:01 PM
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Explain why as soon as a guy mentioned he wont date women that other men find ugly, men immediately basically called him an insecure bitch that needs to grow up. What? That doesn't even make grammatical sense. Again, all I said is that COMPETING and wanting ATTRACTIVE, GOOD women can and often go together. Except you guys hyper focus on wanting women who have casual sex and are extremely impressed by good looks to the point they'll be totally fine if the guy is a felon like Jeremy Meeks, a man t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:06 AM
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"Choose better," is only earnest advice if it comes from men who hold one another accountable, take accusations of harm seriously, and encourage warning women about problem men. Why? I can tell a person to not risk their money at a casino without having to join a social movement against gambling. They must also be against the messaging that women need to lower their standards "Choose better" is exactly in line with the standards issue. It's the same thing. And it's not about lowering them, but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 10:52 AM
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Yes. Because women that grow up without a father figure turn out to be much more stable and self loving than those raised in a traditional family structure, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 10:28 AM
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That's because the manosphere centers it around competing with other men (Chad) rather than finding a woman they'd actually like. It doesn't take a genius to understand that you are competing with other men for women. Trying to paint both as "either-or" is disingenuous. Not a surprise from you, but still is. Also, the redpill and their ilk hyper focus on noncommittal women and pretend AWALT as to not admit they like noncommittal easy women, because they'd be no different than sluts. The red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 10:27 AM
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I elaborated on it: Woman keeps picking guys based on looks, assertiveness and confidence. Keeps going with the best looking, baddest boy she can hook up with. Then gets treated like shit. And complains about all men being shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:02 PM
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Give them more honest advice, although this needs them to be asking for that advice. Yeah. How does that "honest advice" looks like? How much will you need to water down this reply to say it's not going to be called misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:29 PM
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Would you apply the same to addicts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:18 PM
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The fulfillment they get out of an OF model acting like she has some sort of personal connection to them is both real and poisonous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:18 PM
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If you did the first you'd still be called at the very least "insecure". And probably still misogynistic. But tell me, how would you go about telling a woman that consistently prioritizes looks and dominance, consistently gets hurt, and consistently complains about men not being loyal and good, that her priorities are sideways, in a way that you're not called misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:35 PM
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I would say that if a business model is based on providing a fake sense of "good" to people that are so desperate they will pay money for it, that business model is evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:30 PM
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Whales in the context of videogames is adults who have psychological issues to the point that they end up spending hundreds of dollars monthly in predatory games that sell them a semblance of status or success or belonging. They are what sustain "free" games. And as OF users, they seek it. But giving someone something they seek doesn't make it moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:23 PM
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Ah bullshit. "Men, don't sleep with women with a high body count" -> Misogyny "Women, don't sleep with men with a high body count" -> Also misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:00 PM
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That doesn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:54 PM
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Again, explain to me why telling women not to fuck players that will make their lives miserable is misogyny But it is also misogyny to tell men not to fuck sluts that will make their lives miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:49 PM
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A key difference between porn actresses and most only fans creators is that the OF creators lean heavily on making their clients feel like they are liked and seen. If OF was just a paid porn gallery, that'd be... sad, but equal to porn. But it isn't. There's a deliberate effort to target loneliness and desperation and to milk it for profit. It's not dissimilar to predatory videogames milking "whales". So it's disliked for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:38 PM
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I'll point at the flipside: Telling a woman to choose better is seen as misogynistic. But when we tell men to choose better, it's also misogynistic. Tell a woman to avoid players that fuck around a lot? Misogyny Tell a man to avoid slutty women with high n-count? Believe it or not, also misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:06 PM
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Are you not satisfied because you cannot punch people that annoy you? Is not eating food that's not yours making you not want to commit to society? Nah. Bad cop out. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:32 PM
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> borderline impossible for them You consider fighting your basic instincts, the one action that separates animals from humans, "borderline impossible".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:17 PM
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I am again really hoping I am dealing with either a troll or someone just arguing in bad faith. This is worrying. Do you understand the concept of the division between impulses and morally and intellectually and morally informed actions? Do you really need "norms" to regulate your behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:10 PM
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No, you aren't. You're acting like impulse and decision are "borderline" the same. It seems like men’s need for novelty, sexual variety, and attraction to much younger women makes it borderline impossible for them to stay genuinely committed to one woman and still feel satisfied. Imagine if women said "yes, the baby crying for hours really, really makes me irritated" and the conclusion was "it's borderline impossible for women to take care of a baby that cries too much". You'd call me fucking cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:59 AM
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I have a question for you. Do you act on every impulse you have? If you feel grumpy and bitter, do you lash out at your partner? Kick your dog when it's really annoying you? If you're hungry and go past a couple eating a pizza, do you just grab the plate and run? Because saying "Men are attracted to youth and fertility" just means that. An impulse. It happens before all the higher brain functions, before morality, before empathy. Saying you're scared to end up with a husband that will leave you …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:53 AM
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Holy fuck this again. You fucking understand male sexuality. You're just being deliberately dense about it. I hope. What you have a biological impulse to do isn't what you intend to do. We're not just our instincts. So someone that says they can't understand how men can remain loyal and monogamous when having instinct- driven impulses to fuck different and young, is one of two things: 1- Being deliberately obtuse and lying 2- Incapable of comprehending that you don't need to surrender to your ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:49 AM
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This is top notch and captures a surprisingly good number of things in a shortish answer. I am shit at summarizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:23 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:40 PM
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No we don't
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:35 PM
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We don’t have a concept of “temporary commitment until we find something better,” because we don’t actually value the “commitment” part (as “commitment” just means that we give and you take). That doesn't line up with reality, specially if you're a bit careful in choosing. The chances that any woman is dating a guy who is “stringing her along” for access to sex are slim. This works off the binary of "Zero appeal" vs "Great hooking up chances left and right". That's a minority of the population. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:37 AM
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I'm sorry but that's wildly idealistic and doesn't really match with...reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:46 AM
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Taken correctly there's no prescriptive "no-go". Red pill can give some insight about how women operate based on what women are attracted to, and you could see that there's a tendency towards "settling" past 26 that means that some of the women you encounter might be following a pattern that leads to misery for the guys dating her. Notice how wobbly it all is. Certainly not a rule, and not even a heuristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:49 AM
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No I don’t believe you were mister rainbows and sunshine when you turned to RP. I am now, and way, way more redpilled than I was then (as it worked) Yes blue pill talks about all of that, they just don’t get all weirdly angry at women for being human beings who are attracted to the same things men are. I am happy that you acknowledge all those. Now go find three blue pillers that agree with you without adding a "but" behind those statements. I’m just discussing this with you. I am aware most men…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:34 AM
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Actually, for someone just getting into RP, I think there are some critical things you need to keep in mind. First and foremost, RP is mostly heuristics. It has a bit of an awkward definition, but it boils down to "Rules that might not be 100% accurate but if you follow them you get results". When it says anything about... anything, really, it's not to be taken as an imperative or a definition. "Always look both ways before crossing the street" is a useful heuristic. "But man, I am in an empty s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:20 AM
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Be very careful with the entire thing. The red pill is useful in its intended scope, but quite thrash at informing life decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:53 AM
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I am not asking that. I am asking you what does "biologically driven" entail. Do you think men are biologically driven to seek different fertile partners, for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:02 PM
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What do you mean "biologically driven"? What does that entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:57 PM
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Let's explore this, because I think it merits some detail. What do you understand by "Being hypergamous"? What's the definition you've understood here? Because I feel like there's a good chance message sent and message received aren't even in the same ballpark. (Also, because I like debating with fellow vegetables)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:32 PM
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Why the fuck would I tell then when it was first stated? It doesn't matter. All that matters is that it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:22 PM
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As I mentioned to another person, there are about 45.000 people at any time worldwide that eat their own shit. The fact a few hundred people do anything doesn't prove a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:10 PM
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Looks are extremely important, but they have decreasing yield. Sure, be fit, sure, lift, but powering through lack of the other traits by looks alone is impossible without extreme genetic luck. Hypergamy/“female nature” I said it. Women are as shallow as men. They will say they select based on virtue and fuck the hottest guy. Hottest here being the combination of looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. Societal “malice”, aka society “lying” to men I said it. Women are as shall…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:07 PM
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Look, you want to believe that looks, charisma, confidence, assertiveness and competence don't get you laid, because most women reaaaaally need long term goals compatibility like children, you can go ahead. That's precisely why the red pill needs to exist. I can guarantee you that a fat, unkept, jobless, insecure, boring, passive guy will not get dates, nor sex, regardless of how much his future goals aligned with those of the women he likes. You want to deny that? Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:01 PM
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But tate isn't popular with the red pill. It's popular with those who hate the red pill. The same way Solana is popular with those that dislike feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:57 PM
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But that's not the red pill's scope. It's completely useless to tell someone that cannot get a date, much less a kiss, to look for "meaningful relationships".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:56 PM
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That's my entire point. Tate is no less fringe than Solana.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:41 PM
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I am not going to disagree with any of your "a lot" statements. They are unfalsifiable. Look, I'll give you an example: "There are a lot of women that eat their own poop" See how it's both true and useless? As for modern dating, no, it isn't. Modern RELATIONSHIPS are complicated. The dating stage? Show looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. It doesn't matter that "all women are different". The extremely overwhelming majority of women are attracted to that. The same way that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:40 PM
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Let's say you're right. Let's say it's basic, critical advice everyone was supposed to get growing up. Let's say only 2-3% of people didn't get it for some reason. Well, I'll gladly help that small percentage. I don't need it to be novel. I don't need it to be fresh, I don't need it to be unique. I only need it to work. And it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:29 PM
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Everything ever said has been said at some point in the past. The fact it can be found doesn't overwrite the fact there's an enormous current against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:08 PM
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But isn’t feminism meant to be only taken seriously very selectively? You’re not supposed to take anything Valerie Solanas says seriously or are you? Is the advice that women should erradicate men, who are walking abortions, incomplete females that should be exterminated part of the canon, that needs to be studied and taken seriously by feminism members, or can you skip those topics in the text book? It looks to me that if you’d actually take all the stuff seriously feminism says, you’d be prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:06 PM
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Nor I harbor anything against women, despite there being -both in my life and out- enormous examples of the absolute worst stereotypes attributed to them. And it wasn't only media. That is a bit of a collective cop out. Women are more than happy with the status quo. And it's fine, it's not an accusation. People get in my throat, but I hold no anger towards people doing what's best for them. It's just useful to point it out. It's incredibly convenient for women to have a situation where men belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:59 PM
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I am... not angry, not bitter, and certainly neither horned up nor frustrated. And I defend these pieces of advice often here, and a lot of blue pilled people get really really upset at me for a number of reasons. But hey, if you insist that the blue pill acknowledges that there's a specific skill for flirting, that it can be learned, that it can generate attraction for the overwhelming majority of women (no bullshit about "everyone is different so no single skill can work for a majority"), that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:49 PM
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Both can be true and important. "Who is doing it more" isn't necessarily the end all be all of it. "Who is targeted more" matters. In fact, unless you're a fucking bigot, "who is doing it more" is completely irrelevant to the "who is suffering more from it". It is relevant when addressing measures to stop it. But I am not less of a victim because the criminal shares traits with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:53 PM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:47 PM
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I did answer though: No, men knowing what women filter for makes those filters less useful for women. The filters are a shallow way to test for deeper traits. For instance, a man that's assertive is a man that's in a position of social power. A man that's confidently assertive with women means that he's socially adapted enough to be wanted by other women, which rules out a weirdo or a loser. But if men learn that, then the man might be acting assertively not because his life experience, but beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:04 AM
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Look dude, arguing in good faith is rare enough here. It's true that I summarized a lot in a paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:47 AM
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No, men knowing what women filter for makes those filters less useful for women. The filters are a shallow way to test for deeper traits. For instance, a man that's assertive is a man that's in a position of social power. A man that's confidently assertive with women means that he's socially adapted enough to be wanted by other women, which rules out a weirdo or a loser. But if men learn that, then the man might be acting assertively not because his life experience, but because he read it in a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:38 AM
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I don't get the question. Are you asking me if the red pill would have a reason to exist if every man knew what women were attracted to in truth? If that's the case, no. The same way marketing degrees wouldn't exist if every person knew what really drove people to buy stuff. If you were meaning to ask a different question, I'll ask you to clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:18 AM
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This is both completely unrelated to red pill, and suspiciously specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:10 AM
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Don't much care about down or upvotes, just happy to clarify. I appreciate you giving this chance, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:07 AM
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I'll tell you what I told you then: You did not provide a definition of "deserve", so your entire post was pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:08 AM
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Happy to answer. The trick with this post -whether you wanted to do it or you're just confused- is that you've both generalized the advice to the point it's almost saying nothing, and that you've left out a good chunk of it. It's like saying that, say, everyone knows all it needs to be known about marketing, because all the degree teaches is "how to make people like a product". So, I'll thread a little more carefully and highlight some concepts of red pill that aren't either "general knowledge" …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:06 AM
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Elaborate on why picking the best person to commit to is unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:12 PM
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Then those are wrong. Better looking people aren't better or worse. But it's telling that out of everything I said that's the most you have a reply to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:59 PM
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Your entire premise is flawed. The problem isn't men that have options. It's men that have much better options than you. And no one is telling anyone to date men with no options. Date men that consider you one of their best options. At this stage I don't understand how this is anyhow complicated to anyone. Or they say that women pay attention to looks and then are surprised when they end up with shallow men, subtly equaling good looks with shallowness in a person. So the better you look the more…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:33 PM
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Some experienced men might give better advice than women about what women prefer. And surely some women might give better advice than men about what men actually prefer. I agree. That's why the person is asking women indirectly. But because it's against the sub rules for her to do so, she's doing it in a roundabout way, asking men something that by definition they can't answer, but opening the comments for women to answer about men. I don't disagree with you; you just lacked context. Yes, the OP…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:01 PM
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Isn't this a shitty, stupid way to bypass the restriction of a women asking women things? By definition, if men over or understimate something, they aren't aware. You're just asking women with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:30 PM
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I don't really care about the stupid hair splitting you're doing. You can reliably predict someone's behavior by their past, whether it's defined or because they choose it. A woman that has cheated every single previous partner is more likely to cheat on you than one that's never cheated. A man who has six children with six different women is less likely to stay for the seventh than someone who has consistently always been a responsible father. A person who has 40 prior crimes is more likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:57 PM
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I sincerely don't get your sentence. It doesn't matter who remembers it. "The past" defines the personality of the present. "The past" is always, always relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:49 PM
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Anyone can change who they are. It just takes time and repetition. But it's very stupid to think that a person's personality doesn't depend on the sum of their past experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:30 PM
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The recesses of your mind are one of the three pillars of who you are. The biggest one, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:36 AM
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She? Wasn't he a dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:22 PM
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Yeah that's not going to happen as long as it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:56 AM
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Literally no reason for her to lie to me, but hey, sour grapes and that ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:51 AM
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It might not be the women's cause but it's the women's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:46 AM
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Fell for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:45 AM
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For brevity let's say 27
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:58 PM
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I was my wife's first. We married at 33
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:18 PM
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Anything over 3-4 partners per year in active is concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:48 PM
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That's not what I asked though. Not "to a hypothetical someone". Subjectivity doesn't invalidate overwhelming trends. The fact there's at least one person who absolutely loves eating human feces doesn't invalidate that eating human feces is worse than eating a pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 09:00 AM
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Oh, absolutely. The biggest reason women might feel that they can get in a relationship with the kind of man that absolutely won't, is because when she's hooking up with those men, they will keep her on the string. They will make her think that she's this close to a relationship. They will say things like "I don't even know where I will be next week!" (Yes, they do), or "I'm not looking for a relationship right now, even though you're perfect" (Yes they are, just not with you) Yep, that's part o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:35 AM
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Common sense would dictate to at the very least wait until she has a public and committed relationship before fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:28 AM
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That's the part women don't get intuitively. Thank you for so succintly illustrating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:26 AM
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So, following your premise, an obese (400 lbs), jobless, uncharismatic, greasy, unwashed guy with stinky breath and visible cavities, wearing a t-shirt that doesn't fit, has grease stains and hasn't been changed in over a week Is as likely to be attractive to any particular woman as a 6'3 clean shaven, well groomed, hard working professional guy that's fit and charismatic? If there's no objectivity, the former and the latter should find roughly equal level of interest. Is that your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:03 AM
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Leagues are just an abstraction of average perceived relationship. Certainly they aren't air tight, but they do exist. Let's not pretend it all boils down to "it's subjective".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:20 PM
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Whenever I ask the dudes who complain about women not “staying in their league” how leagues are determined, the answer I get is “your league is determined by whoever you can get to date you.” I understand the confusion; so I will make it a little more clear. Let's drop "leagues" for a minute. Let's just go with percentages. Now, this percentage will represent overall desirability. If you took a thousand people and asked them to give a desirability score from 0 to 100, let's say the percentage re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:13 PM
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Again; for you to make any valid point you need to articulate a working definition of the word "deserve".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:24 PM
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You're going to need a good definition of "deserve", man. Else the entire post is smoke.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:09 PM
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I can guarantee you most guys don't give a fuck about the first date being at her place or his. In fact, they see it as a pro. That's my entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:43 PM
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I get your point. I just disagree with you. Averages work. And I'll give you one example of really solid advice that hinges on it: "Women are way more stranger-wary than men, and way more worried about safety than men, and as such, when you think about the first few dates, specially if she doesn't know you, you must pick a place that's safe, public, during the day, and which she could leave if things got awkward. If you don't, you are likely going to be told no just on the basis of self-preserva…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:38 PM
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The thing is, you do agree with me. Does that make you sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:35 PM
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I can answer for you. It isn't. Women have completely different requirements, and most of them you won't be able to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:28 PM
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Not gay men, no. And you get my point. "Getting sexually explicit material from a stranger of the sex you're attracted to" gets WILDLY different reactions. It's only one of many differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:26 PM
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Not necessarily. I consider it understanding how women feel attraction in different ways than men do, and knowing those ways. Then you can translate those into actionable advice. Now, you'll call the original knowledge "sexist" and "evil" and whatever, because it generally paints women in a very unflattering light. But it works, and it's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:18 PM
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A single woman sends a picture of herself, naked, to 20 single almost stranger guys. A single guy sends a picture of himself, nakes, to 20 single almost stranger women. By your own "not fundamentally different from men in terms of personality" statement, the result would be roughly the same, right? Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:16 PM
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You're the one who started with slogans. What is your criticism? OP only pointed out what to do to better your chances. It doesn't matter that women don't need to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:13 PM
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Why are you playing the comparison game? Don't get me wrong, I probably could. But even if she just had to exist, so what? The price to get on the ride is fixed. You can either pay it or not. Why jump at the guy that tells you how to get in?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:08 PM
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Or you can get the advice and ignore the "why it works" and everyone that cries about it. I did, and I'm happy. So did this guy, apparently, and he's happy. Are you happy? By your comments, you don't sound happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:06 PM
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Women are different. Their behavior, specially around dating is different, and approaching women (many, as it happens when you're looking for a relationship) with the mindset that they operate like you is very, VERY likely to go poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:57 PM
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Again: Any individual item OP wrote about that you consider wrong? Or are you just saying "Everything you say makes absolute sense and is good advice but you should not write a book giving advice because you don't have a degree"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:50 PM
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The squeeze has always been a squeeze. What's your point? Life is how life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:46 PM
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Depends enormously on how fast and how you move in general. The quicker you move things, the more shit tests you might face.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:45 PM
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I'm curious. Is there something actually in his post that you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:39 PM
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You... know... you can look at stuff that was in the past, right? I mean... it's... Well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:37 PM
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I'll give you a bit more of an autistic red pilled edge to that one: Women are very wary of deceit, and PARTICULARLY of lack of solidity. If your actions aren't consistent, or if your actions and your words don't paint a homogeneous picture, you will feel "off" and put her off. If you're not bossy, but act bossy because bossy attracts, you're BOUND to eventually be inconsistent. If you act like a social butterfly but aren't, you're bound to sooner or later betray that somehow. Very few things ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:36 PM
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Did it? Where did I say it's never happened? Please feel free to copy it and paste it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:06 AM
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Go ahead and show me one of those from today. And one from yesterday, and the day before. The person I'm replying to says it's a daily thing. You know what? I'll be less strict. Show me three from the past month. It's not "every day" but should be a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:16 PM
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Notice that even here you use the "manosphere" flexibly. I'll quote you, because it's very telling: You are all for the redpill when it benefits you and makes you feel better about your experience dating. You are all of a sudden not a part of the manosphere or “never see anything bad!” When it is rightfully criticized. Notice how even in this case you only apply "manosphere" when using criticism. No, you're misrepresenting the entire thing. I adscribe by the statements of the red pill. Always ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:14 PM
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I didn't say there weren't men that aren't misogynistic, though. I said I am yet to see a single comment expressing what you said is expressed on the daily: That they want to hurt women. But, by all means, you claim this happens every day, find me one written today. Or even yesterday. I'll concede. I’ve seen you draw conclusions about women repeatedly literally saying AWALT today. This is again ironic. My only "AWALT" comment was in fact correcting someone who used it in the wrong way, in the wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:10 PM
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And I'd kept quiet and not consider myself included. But, well: If you’re choosing a good man, it won’t be one in the manosphere. Because they tell us every day they want to hurt women Focus your sights on having good reciprocal connections with men who hate the manosphere So it's a bit of what I've called out in the past before. The "manosphere" expands and shrinks in very convenient ways. It's all encompassing and absolutely includes anyone that agrees with the red pill, when it's convenient, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:47 PM
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I'll counter with this: Every day the “lonely men” come online and say they are jealous of men who mistreat women because they want to do the same thing. I've spent a bit of time here. Probably over a year, commenting and posting quite frequently. I am yet to see a single man saying he wants to mistreat or hurt women. Maybe one that literally everyone, red pill or not, called out. So unless you mean "anywhere online", you are pulling that out of thin air. And if by "come online" you mean "at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:15 PM
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I'm not saying it's a bad strategy. I am saying it's very easy to be reasonably upset when you discover you're being treated much worse than anyone else in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:40 PM
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I don't misrepresent what most men complain about. I just don't nitpick the few extremely unreasonable ones. It's normal to be weary of baggage. It's normal to feel bad about a woman making you go through hoops because "you're for a relationship, not a hook up". It's normal to stay the fuck away from women that had a "slutty phase" and then decided to "settle down". And as you say, all those happen too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:39 PM
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You don't see anything wrong with treating people you consider better, worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:37 PM
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From the bottom of your heart. You start dating a guy that's on the stingy side with you. Hell, he insists you split the bill, goes to the cheapest possible restaurants, gives you nothing but a hand written note on your birthday, you know he makes a lot of money. You then discover that in his past dates he spent hundreds of dollars. And he tells you "no, I am not inviting you to anything because I'm done with casual dating, and I need to find someone to settle with" Tell me that wouldn't bother …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:32 PM
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Why would you do that with someone you just started dating? Precisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:18 PM
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There's an ongoing fallacy on this comment. It's a bit subtle, but it's there: Your husband was reasonable. And the consequences of his past are mild. Let's make it a little less reasonable, and a bit more of a true counterpart. Because for now you're equating "painful anal and unwanted threesomes" with "reasonably trusting a girlfriend". If your husband had a fuckboy period where he fucked a dozen women carelessly, without protection or asking about contraception, and ended up trapped by three …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:03 PM
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Awalt is grossly misunderstood. It has its place, just not here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:49 PM
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Yes. It's not a good situation. The options are to do it right from the beginning or to understand that the consequences are well earned criticism. But it's not that men are asking for the impossible. Either be willing to fuck with every attractive guy you meet and drop the "make them wait", and eat the consequences of bad partners or Be careful from the get go, resist the allures of validation, don't fall into the "sexual liberation" bullshit and demand commitment from the very first guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:48 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree. If your priorities are boobs and thighs, you only guarantee boobs and thighs. If your priorities are kindness and reliability, be prepared to stop selecting by boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:43 PM
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Every woman I started seeing got fancy restaurants and 5 star hotel rooms and thousands of dollars in trips and gifts from me. Even shitty women, as long as they were hot, got all that. And I would end up in debt and with a broken heart, over and over and over. So now I learned. And last woman I met -she was incredible, treated me great, was nothing like the selfish bitches of before- got nothing. We went to McDonalds, the birthday gift was under $15, and I am not spending another dime on her un…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:41 PM
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Your point is that you are only allowed shallow traits to choose early on. But that's not entirely true. There are a lot of ways to screen for "better criterias" that aren't being immediately used. To begin with, as the lowest hanging fruit, aiming for the most shallowly attractive person you can fuck is almost a guarantee that you won't find commitment. But there's more, even at an individual level. Women are already good at screening for some traits, and it's very disingenuous to say that you …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:33 PM
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And the solution to this is not to have sex until you have a committed, public relationship. But that means giving up a massive amount of social power, validation, and attention, and to narrow your "dating" options to the men that actually will pick you over anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:26 PM
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Sorry to interrupt but I'm fairly sure you two should agree on what "feminist" is before going on a beautiful tennis match from different courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:19 PM
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It is. That's why 95% of the responses are here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:18 PM
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I love the "quotes". They betray the core difference between left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:17 PM
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It's a clear circle jerk. It is not going the way OP expected tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:16 PM
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Even today there are extremely horrible beliefs in the left. It's not "owning the libs". Trump is the consequence of a very fucked mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:15 PM
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I am pointing out that your metric for "unethical manipulation" is "make someone act based on instinctual desire" and that is basically... attraction. In another comment, you said: Being in your right mind means being able to clearly visualize what you're really getting into, and being able to clearly evaluate whether or not that's okay with you instead of making rushed decisions, emotional decisions, or decisions based on pure principle with no critical thinking involved whatsoever. You don't n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:14 PM
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Red pill isn't obsessed with hierarchy at all. There's... pretty much nothing except "if you're successful you're more desired" That's not even "human nature". That's... the entirety of the alive species that reproduce sexually. Nor, to be honest, we "use the amoral to get what we want" any more than a woman wearing make up and appealing clothes. As for hostile, you literally go to a debate sub to measure the hostility. That's right by the dictionary definition of "bias".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:09 PM
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In 2016 Trump represented a fight against another really ugly kind of totalitarism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:07 PM
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Everything is anything if you nitpick the frame. Hell, look at this: MAGA is trying to reduce the number of people from cultures that think women are objects and pedophilia is right, and red pillers insist on how wrong it is to pretend to want to be a friend when all you want is to fuck, so both are for consent. American left wingers are trying to KEEP people from misogynistic, pedophilic cultures and consistently say that it's inappropriate for a man to show his sexual intent when it's there. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:05 PM
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By that metric, so is make up. So is anything that helps you become more attractive. You're framing things in "instinctual attraction vs carefully planned analysis".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:02 PM
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Sorry, where exactly did I go wrong? Because you did say women dress up and put on makeup and dye their hair and all the beauty and attractiveness things "for themselves". Is it just a coincidence that women feel good about themselves when looking as desirable as possible to men? That would be fucked, wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:57 AM
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See, that's the funny bit. You accuse me of misogyny, but you spew the kind of things that denigrate women the most. Your ideology is made of disconnected, half-thought-out points that paint the saddest, most pathetic picture of women. Let's put them side by side: My evil, red-pilled, misogynistic view of women: Women are just people. People like fucking. People like being desired, people like being in relationships and strive to get in good ones. Both men and women. Women, like men, consider th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:45 AM
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So, let me see if I am getting your point: Are you saying it's not most women's life purpose, or that most women don't care about it enough to try and be attractive? Because they aren't the same thing. I can agree with the former, but the latter is... out of touch with reality. If women didn't want to be attractive to men, there would not be several billion-dollar industries about precisely that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:19 AM
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who gives a fuck whether a man finds them attractive or not ...I am going to go on a limb and say most women care about being attractive to men. Most women want, as you say, to meet (attract, date, potentially marry) a decent guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:51 AM
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You know what? I'm going to go against the grain again. I quite agree with the premise. The fact that a lot of people are doing it doesn't really help, for two reasons: One, this message is directed to those who can't. There are plenty of tutorials about the simplest things. "How come there are tutorials about how to download an app when 99% of the population knows how to" Well... it's for the remaining 1% Two, a lot of people are having relationship and fucking. A lot of people are also getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:17 PM
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The redpill is about male superiority over women. Not really. In fact, it pretty much states that women experience attraction in a way as shallow as men. Yeah it gives men some self help about keeping fit (which I agree with) but it avoids dealing with deep emotions and encourages men not to depend emotionally on a women nor show any emotions to their partners. Partly true, but that's not about superiority; it's about practicality. It's extremely risky to show real vulnerability to a partner, up…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:54 PM
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One could argue that there's absolutely zero need to be harsh with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:32 PM
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I neither hate women nor hate myself, and I'd say that if understanding women leads you to hate them, maybe the misogyny isn't in the understanding part of the sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:31 PM
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​The "Red Pill" is essentially just an understanding of what men need to do to maintain attraction in a long-term relationship. No. It's about understanding what generates attraction, with a main focus on the early stages of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:27 PM
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You are operating under a really stupid premise, sorry. You are basically stating that if a man can sleep with a 10/10 woman, and lock her down, and keep dating her, he won't. That's... just not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:18 PM
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She's not unique in anything she talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:12 PM
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I'm going to go against the usual red pill image a bit and... show nuance. The answer is yes, in effect, but not by intention. When women go past puberty, they suddenly find a surge of attention, validation, and interest that goes from extremely flattering to outright creepy. They get a lot of power, and a lot of predators. Now, to use that power well -to pick someone that will make them happy, to only have sex with someone that means them well, to avoid "fuckboys"- they need a combination of sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:10 PM
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Okay. I've read your post, and your comments. I'm going to try and give you a good faith answer. (1) Why do you associate niceness/kindness with these negative traits? If you think these are positive traits, why? First, you're doing an association that's not in the rest of your post, and that isn't true. "Kind" and "Nice" isn't the same thing. It's not even in the same neighborhood. "Nice" is synonymous with "agreeable" and "pleasant". When applied to a person, it means someone who is easy to in…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:39 PM
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Almost 100% right. It wasn't purity culture though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:18 PM
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I picked the example deliberately. Maybe God does exist, in which case I would be wrong by claiming he doesn't. Wrong. Not hateful, not discriminatory. And yeah, telling someone that what they believe firmly isn't true is rude. But rude isn't discriminatory. It isn't telling them they "don't exist". It's not violence or abuse. Neither is acting like there's no god. Nor treating a trans woman like a man. I will play along, because it's the nice thing to do (nice, not kind), but I am certainly not…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:34 PM
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They... exist. Like Christians exist. They are just wrong about what they believe to be the truth. Like Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:34 PM
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Them existing doesn't mean they are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:33 AM
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You are one more person under the entitled delusion that disagreement equals discrimination. I can say trans women are men, and that their notion of being a woman is just wrong. Doesn't mean discrimination, the same way that saying christians are wrong about god existing isn't discrimination. If acting like a trans woman is a man is discrimination, then you have to concede that acting like god doesn't exist is also discrimination. If a trans person has the moral (or worse, legal) right to demand…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:33 AM
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What challenge? "All men" something? It's not even fucking accurate to say "all men alive breathe". It's not about gender. It's about the fact 8 billion people leads to an almost infinite number of exceptions. So I can say something moronic like "all men exist" or "all men are men", a purely semantic statement that while mostly true contributes nothing, informs nothing, and is utterly useless, or I can tell you that outside an insignificant number of exceptions, some things apply to all men. Whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:15 AM
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It is impossible to accurately say "all". We can't even say "all people dislike having human feces shoved in their mouths". That said, we can go with "the overwhelming majority", which can safely mean 99% or more. The overwhelming majority of men have the vast majority (75%+?) of their attraction for women based on their looks and their willingness to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:58 AM
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You know? I can get behind that. With some caveats, but not a bad idea to turbofocus on stabilizing your life and getting into the dating market as a 20-something year old with a lot of stability and zero baggage. Of course, that's not what's happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:43 PM
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Now I've seen the survey, small pointer: you vastly overestimate the importance of "influencers".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:15 AM
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I think it's overall worse for the majority of people, yes, and that the only way to believe otherwise is to fail to see just how much suffering is connected to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:10 AM
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I am not saying it doesn't happen. I am just making sure it's what your comment said people should do. I asked to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting you or making a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:06 AM
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Following the previous system just isn't possible anymore. Why would a man wait for serious commitment before sex if he can just fuck one of the many women that are willing to after a date? It barely exists in very religious pockets. And I didn't say the previous way was all flowers. Hell, I did mention some aspects were horrible. Yet the consequences of removing the public relationship requirement for sex has lead to a very dysfunctional state of matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:04 AM
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My respect for at least trying to define it. I don't think it will catch many people tho
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:57 AM
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Then we fundamentally disagree. I think that the sexual liberation happened because some aspects of the previous framework seriously sucked, but that the dating structure it upheld was, if not objectively less harmful, at the very least less harmful in many key aspects. And you can see much of its effects. Very often women complain about lack of commitment. The entire "what are we" heartbreak, the situationships, the apparent constant cheating. Not saying those problems didn't exist back when se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:49 AM
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Let me get this straight: Your message boils down to: "When you have the best tools to build something both good and long lasting, it's best to use them to fuck around, and only when those tools aren't at their best, you should use them to build what truly matters" Did I get that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:43 AM
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I'm not completely sure women on average are happier with the current dating paradigm than they were with the previous one. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:40 AM
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The moment you call it one side and the other you are already losing sight of reality. Then you claim your "side" is logical, and the other "side" is illogical. That's... sorry, but frankly basic. In several levels. First, there isn't "sides". Not only individuals can ascribe to ideas outside of a block, but each idea has their own merit depending on circumstances. In the "pill" thing, different individuals with different situations and challenges will find different philosophies useful at diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:32 AM
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Holy mother of projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:27 PM
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That's because you're just not very bright. Having a job doesn’t damage you but a job absolutely CAN. Having a short relationship/hookup doesn't damage you but they absolutely CAN. Something in excess can be bad without that thing being bad on itself. Something in excess can indicate issues, even if that something is not damaging. The entirety of your argument is "Red pill sees women who have a lot of promiscuous sex as not good partners, hence, having sex lowers the value". And it's either seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:43 PM
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Yes. It's somewhat different in form but identical in principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:32 PM
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The past matters because it's indicative of traits. A man that slept with his sister can possibly change? Maybe. But he has to be already pretty fucked in the head to do that. It's not only the action changing the man. It's also the action signaling that there was something wrong to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:59 AM
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Your flawed premise is that you believe that promiscuous sexual behavior is seen as negative because sexual behavior lessens the person. It's not. Eating doesn't damage a person, but compulsive overeating does. Drinking water doesn't damage you. You need it to live. Overdrinking water can kill you. Having relationships won't lessen you. Having sex doesn't lessen you. Having sex with too many people, too fast, both lessens you and is indicative of a dysfunctional framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:56 AM
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Having many short term relationships, or hook ups, is both a consequence and a cause of damage. It's a consequence, because it's a series of impulsive decisions taken by the most basic instinct, and it signals a dysfunctional need for validation, a serious lack of self restraint, or both. It's a cause like any other indulgence on base needs can be. It reinforces the behavior, it shifts self esteem, and unless you're already pretty fucking unfit to be a partner, it will cause emotional scars.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:52 AM
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Okay, I'm going to make it a work analogy. We can agree that having a job doesn't "damage" you. And if you are a company, you seriously don't mind that your potential 30 year old employee has had three or four jobs. Because jobs don't make him any worse. But if your 30 year old employee has had six or seven jobs... you might want to ask why. Is there a reason for that level of job-hopping? And if your 30 year old employee has had twenty different jobs, you better have a great explanation for why…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:48 AM
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That's why I said extreme prejudice and not outright denial. But you know what? I'll roll with the example. "They start talking about the artstyle". They don't silence my number crunching, but they do ask, say, not for a hobby change, but for a tool to simplify the number crunching. (And this is assuming more good will than ever, see fromsoft games) Now with number crunching not being a barrier to entry, more people that don't really like number crunching but like the art style join the game. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:48 AM
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Most women interact in a different way than most men. That's what makes hobbies that are mostly male. I am at a loss to find a single confrontation hobby that's female-dominated. Women can join those hobbies. But they should not be among those who can shape the direction of it, and in general should face extreme opposition to presenting any idea for change, specially towards something more palatable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:23 PM
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While I agree theres no non sexist reason to hate women for sleeping with men, that dodges the core of the point, which isn't about hatred but about preference when selecting a partner. And there's plenty of reason to prefer people with fewer sexual partners. But both this conversation and the entire post is a piss poor way to circumvent the megathread made precisely for this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:26 PM
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Keyword: Partner. Edit; for the overzealous mod that cannot truly read subtext and some other people that might need a little extra help: People are overwhelmingly called simps for being all of those things to people that aren't their partner. The bigger amount of those cases are "being kind to someone that doesn't even sleep with you", but it can rarely happen that someone's officially dating, but the simpee isn't really acting like a partner. Sigh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:39 PM
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I'm not saying that you can't. You don't inherently, because you've not lived it. But that's why I explained the differences. The same way men need to understand that part of "feeling unsafe" is knowing that there's a part of you you can't hide that everyone might want. That's something we men don't naturally know, because for us, unless we're flaunting a lot of money, there's no reason to, say, pretend to be friendly to then take advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:49 PM
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It's not that I will write you off for not agreeing. I very rarely go "you are not A, so you can't talk about A", but you're not a man, so you don't understand the qualitative difference. You simply cannot relate with what "loneliness" means for a man with underdeveloped social skills. It's similar to how men don't understand "feeling unsafe" like a small woman would, and say things like "why did you run? The guy didn't do anything violent or dangerous". You understand "loneliness" as lack of fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:41 PM
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I don't deny there's some good debate to be had here. That's why I am still here. But both red pillers and blue ones will often -very often- aggressively shoehorn your comment into one of the ¿five? boxes they have a memorized response to. As for your example, and because it's something that particularly irritates me, saying there's a "general loneliness crisis" is... disingenuous. Male loneliness is different from female loneliness. It is objectively, measurably worse. So while it's true that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:02 PM
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I think here you're misrepresenting conservativism. Conservativism is a preference for the things that are proven to work, even if imperfectly, over new ideas that sound good on paper but often disregard core aspects of reality. While progressivism focuses on "what could be better", conservativism focuses on "how much worse it can get". Progressivism is the engine of a car, and conservativism is the brakes. Times change, and we need to adapt society to them, that's completely needed. But we need…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:55 PM
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You're wonderfully naive if you think anyone here debates in good faith. For every statement I make I need to make five safeguards against being strawmanned. And I still get strawmanned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:29 PM
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The red pill generally appeared with the dawn of pick up artists. A core tenet of what they taught was that if you fail, it's because you're doing things wrong. The red pill kept this. Women are what they are. They behave how they behave (and not how they say they behave). "It is what it is". You either adapt to it or you don't. Blaming women for their attraction being shallow is like blaming the climate for being cold
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:26 PM
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Wikipedia has a really piss poor article. It's sad the quality has gone down so fucking much, and that it's moved from objective to extremely ideological. (And it's not only me saying it, co-creator of wikipedia itself says exactly the same thing)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:17 PM
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It ain't. The problem is that you have less bite than a bread sandwich. You're harmless. You're respectful. You're nice. That's the opposite of flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:52 PM
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Yeah, I agree with the best paragraph, but the second is shite.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:51 PM
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"How come my massively biased, tiny, personal anecdotes contradict studies and statistics" Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:56 PM
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And that's completely fine. But then it's not binary. It's a scale with a threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:44 PM
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I am being demanded, by threat of force, to pay for the cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:02 AM
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Yeah, my bad. Same question tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 11:40 PM
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Would you say that out of all women you consider attractive enough for "yes", they are all equally attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 10:13 PM
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Let's change "attractive" with "tall" and "Good morals" with "Doctor". "If you want to date an attractive man with good morals a tall doctor, your chances are bad if you just pick the most attractive tallest person you know and pray they have good morals are a doctor. Instead, you should pick the most attractive tallest among those you already know have good morals are doctors." Does this (which is the core of my statement) imply that taller people are less likely to be doctors? Simple yes or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:24 PM
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I did. Where does it say -or remotely imply- that attractive people are "pieces of shit"? Hell, I'll make it easier to you: where does it say or imply that better looking people are worse morally in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:03 PM
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And why, pray tell, do you bring up that particular grievance under my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:53 PM
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No. Not at all. You say your attraction is binary, that it's either a yes or a no. Well, hard to swallow, but I can work under that premise: Stick to the ones who are "yes". But do keep in mind your perception is exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:29 PM
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If your attraction has always been binary then you probably have a handful of men that want to fuck you and that you consider "yes" on the binary. Same thing applies. You stop spending any time, energy and fucks in those who aren't willing to commit, and who lack the right values. How does that look? You refuse to fuck someone if you're not in a public committed relationship. That will make your options waaaay narrower but if you're good enough it will at least have a couple individuals in your …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:20 PM
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Attraction isn't a choice. But it's also not binary. Not in men, and certainly not in women. And attraction grows if you feed it (and withers if you don't, by the way) Now, where you have a choice is where you invest your time and attention, and which attractions you feed. You can let attraction dictate your actions. Always put time and effort into the most attractive person you can fuck. And then you will fuck the most attractive person you can. Now, if you do that, you're rolling dice (with sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:13 PM
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There are a few oddballs but the complainers are a minority. those describing uncomfortable realities can be mistaken for complainers, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:39 PM
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We are past discussing whether you can. You failed that one. Now the only discussion that remains is how sad that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:50 PM
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That makes it even more sad that you cannot spot shittily disguised dopamine traps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:44 PM
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Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness, competence. you need four, three very high, or two supremely high. You're going for the two that take the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:18 PM
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. . . Attracting a woman is a social skill. So is befriending one. They are different social skills. Very fucking different. You seem under the impression that "befriending a woman while having money and status" is the same as flirting with one. It isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:15 PM
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We call it "banking jobs" or "job in finance". I know euphemisms suck, but please do use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:08 PM
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I'm going to go on a limb and say "not all. there's a good bunch of games that really respect the players time".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:07 PM
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If you think this isn't a dopamine trap you are way way under equipped to protect anyone from dopamine traps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:04 PM
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It's not about "expired", it's about being a predatory creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:54 PM
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Social skills is like saying "physical skills". You being great at distance runner might help a bit with boxing but nothing short of practicing boxing will get you good at boxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:52 PM
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We told men to stop cheating, we told men to be active fathers, we told men to stop raping, we told men to stop playing games. The rate of cheating and rape is at an all point low. Those have been issues for the entirety of human history. It's outright disingenuous to say they are the cause at the dating woes of today. Same goes for playing games, and active fatherhood. They are, if not better, certainly not worse than in the past 8000 years. So stop the masturbatory revenge fantasies. If you lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:19 PM
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I'm like 95% sure this is a massive amount of bullshit to make people dislike RP. But if it isn't: Fucking ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:12 PM
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...No Sorry dude, but it doesn't work like that. Status and money are at best add-ons. Most is practice and social skills. It's very easy to fall into the shitty trap of delaying working on flirting skills because "I'm not ready yet".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:10 PM
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I would have guessed that the majority of those who disliked the red pill were people that didn't need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:07 PM
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This post has become so fucking enlightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:37 PM
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Ah, the immediate volunteer to prove the guy's point. Predictable yet so sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:37 PM
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I agree both genders do it. Don't fully agree with your example, but it's, as you put it, level 3 autistic nitpicking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:03 PM
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I still don't understand why I would need or want luck with women. I think you might be assuming a little too much of me. Which fits the stupid as a brick thing. Nevertheless, thanks for the laughs, from both me and my wife. We had a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 10:19 AM
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Thank you! I work very hard on being off-putting to people who argue in bad faith and get offended by their own ignorance. I don't work hard on being off-putting to people that are stupid as a brick but it's a welcome boon nevertheless. So, a comment like that from someone in one of those two camps is welcome news indeed. Good luck about what, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:16 AM
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I am sure that when you talk to "those men", you are talking to those you can identify. Would you say that on itself is already a pretty heavy bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:12 AM
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I don't expect women who are incapable of understanding a comparison (A is to B what C is to D) isn't the same as saying A is C to empathize. Quite honestly, I don't expect those women to empathize (emphasize is a different thing, not that I expected you to know) with anyone at all. Mostly because those women fall in one of two camps: Either they are stupid as a brick, or they argue in bad faith. Empathy is difficult for either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:51 AM
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You've got it backwards. Society needs men regardless of whether they make themselves useful. Society needs men to make themselves useful. And men need to have something to care about to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:40 AM
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Here you're playing with the ambiguity of "being into". If by "being into" you mean "tolerate being with if I don't have any better option", then you are 100% right. You can say you are into Moses. But to me, "being into" is "having a significant preference for" And that's... simply not the case. You said so yourself, you see a lot of average to below average couples. But if you asked the man of that below average relationship and he said "yes, I am into triple chins and fat rolls and crooked te…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:27 AM
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And here's what I will respond: When a minority behavior makes us look better, PARTICULARLY morally, you always, always observe the same phenomenon: A vast majority of people claim to be in that category, even if it's known it's a minority. Quick example: around a third (or more) of women that are obese are going to claim to be the 2-3% that medically cannot lose weight. Another example: if a cop catches you speeding, even if the ticket is already unavoidable, a majority of people will claim "th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:15 AM
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...I am fairly sure "those men" is a lot of men, and each one of them is doing or has done more or less to better their situation. Don't know how to respond to this, honestly. If you asked me about a specific man, sure, but you are asking me about a bunch of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:05 AM
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I... I don't know how to say this to you... "Hidden comments" in reddit aren't really hidden. Just open the profile and tap the looking glass. No rocket science. It's... It's one more tap than before. One. Also I am like 85% sure I'm not an incel. More, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:03 AM
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Again, your profile is public. I didn't need to go into Google. It's literally two taps. Now, it would be petty to point out that the person calling me triggered immediately follows it with... Telling me how good of a uni student you are? Or how much you made? I'm sure you need to say your life is perfect right after insisting I'm triggered. I am, admittedly, a fairly petty person. But I also found it funny. The thing is... I don't even say what you are doing or living is wrong. I don't know why…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:00 AM
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not really. There is a lot (a lot lot) of women that refer to the moral quality when whining about there being no good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:51 PM
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I am going to go on a tangent here, because I think it's important for you, OP, and because I'd say the same to a blue pilled woman: The majority of the women you interact with is NOT the majority of women. Your behaviors, whether you notice them or not, generate a filter. This filter will push aside a significant percentage of the population, and pull in people with similar traits. Your experience only shows you the women that are both let through the filter, and that gravitate towards it. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:50 PM
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Keep in mind that you're talking to someone that is a stripper, hates sex and gets turned on by "being bitchy to men that are nice in return" So probably not the middle of the bell curve on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:46 PM
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Funny, financially stable, fun to be with. You can be good, even extremely good, without any of those three.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:44 PM
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Lady, half your comments are in r/stripper. It's not like I had to go full Sherlock. As for not finding a girlfriend anytime soon, you are absolutely spot on. I will give you that. I am likely to go the rest of my life without finding a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:43 PM
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And here you're moving the goalpost from "good man" to "good partner". It's like if I was complaining about the lack of "good women" and then I added "well of course I need her to be submissive, that's what a good partner is!" One, not necessarily Two, my initial whining was about good women, not women that to my preference made good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:41 PM
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I want people to sympathize with male loneliness for a number of reasons. Society needs men. Men only give a fuck about society if they have something worth protecting. That something is a significant other and/or children. It's also an act of human empathy. Plus intellectual honesty. Now, why do I want women in particular to do so: because women have enormous issues empathizing with it. Most women will never experience loneliness to the same degree as a socially inept man. Not even close. So th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:38 PM
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Hard workers -notice, your bar there is "financially stable and generous-, honest, caring, supportive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:32 PM
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I am commenting for the guys that might think that you're a normal woman. A woman that fingers herself on camera for an evening for $25 certainly has an opinion on desire and intersexual dynamics, but it isn't going to be one representative of even an insignificant portion of the population. But if that wasn't enough, I'll point this out to other onlookers: A woman that hates sex is telling you how the average woman experiences attraction. Maybe that's not a particularly unbiased source.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:30 PM
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Lots to unpack. First off, no, we don't say that women whining about lack of good men actually whine about a lack of chads. We say that they whine about the lack of good men while only even registering the ones that are incredibly attractive initially. And it's true. If a man isn't attractive or dangerous, said man doesn't even fucking register. That's, for instance, why women insist in how men have it better at the workplace. All the men they see have it better at the workplace. That means the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:26 PM
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Maybe my definition of "Selling sexual acts" is too wide. You can replace "prostitute" with "woman who does sexual things for money" in your head if it makes you feel better. My comment wasn't for you tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:19 PM
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One: Other than absolutely past menopause, those women complain about the specific men they want rejecting them. If they open a tinder, pose in some spicy clothes and write "Down to fuck and not ask questions" I guarantee you they can fuck with a different guy each night. I don't imply shit. I said it outright. Again you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. Hell, I didn't even fucking say what you claimed I implied. Game and gifts are opposed, yes. Game and jokes are just unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:13 PM
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I don't mean this as a gotcha, but you will have to understand that I take the opinion of a prostitute about men and attraction with a handful of salt. Not because it's less insightful, but because it's clearly a massive deviation from the average woman I'll find in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:05 PM
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Notice that even if she grazed it, wit is not exactly equal to jokes and clever comebacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:59 PM
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One: game is directly against gifts, rides, and "being a good person". It has almost nothing to do with jokes or being funny. So yeah. Of course game doesn't work if you haven't got the faintest of what game is. Two: Game doesn't work on women. "Game" for women (as a way to bypass looks limitations) is simply being willing to fuck soon. Almost no guy will say no to no strings attached sex. As for your final quite honestly low effort statement, no one says women don't get rejected by their one cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:57 PM
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Yes and no We don't "get an opportunity to reject" a woman. Women generally speaking don't open themselves to that. And we don't need to "reject" them. We just need to not open that door.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 10:00 PM
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They should at the very least disclose if they watch porn and if they intend to keep watching it. People should be able to choose not to date someone who watches porn, and certainly have a right to avoid those who do while in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:05 PM
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Just because "a lot of people do" doesn't mean one should be more tolerant towards it. It's no different from saying "everyone cheats nowadays" to justify cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:02 PM
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flair checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:00 PM
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People in the US have equal rights. The issue with the left is that they start from the assumption that uneven outcome necessarily implies oppression. But feel free to prove me wrong. State a single right men have that women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:02 PM
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No one has absolute right about what to do with their own body. The fact that for a tiny amount of time trans people had the "privilege" of self mutilation doesn't mean they are losing a right everyone else has. Same goes with the "right" to end a human life. Let's not sugarcoat it. Men are at less risk of losing out on personal freedoms because they don't have any preferential treatment to lose in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:00 PM
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Conservatives don't need to address men. They just need to treat everyone the same, and that is enough for men to vote for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:55 PM
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Most means more than half. That's something you can grab onto, and that can be defended or attacked. All is... stupidly easy to defeat. All it takes is a single example to the contrary. A significant amount is the only one that's okay. That implies that it might not be "most", but it's not negligible. Percentage wise, can be anything over, dunno, one in ten or twenty. "A lot" doesn't say anything because it's not percentual. It doesn't make a reference to the ratio, while the others do. "A lot" …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:38 PM
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Why? Waiting to have a committed relationship before fucking seems a fairly logical path to avoid the most common landmines.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:23 PM
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Yes, they benefit in a way from the false security of being white. Do they benefit or is it false? If they actually benefit, it isn't false.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:45 PM
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Not here, though. Most mods here are chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:28 PM
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Conservative and right-wing movements are actively shaping policies that affect women’s bodily autonomy, healthcare access, economic security, and legal protections. You fail to elaborate which policies, and how that harms women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:10 PM
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So let me get this straight: Conservative women are too ignorant to realize conservativism hurts them, but it doesn't, because they benefit from it? Make up your mind. You both said that "Conservativism harms conservative women, but they are too ignorant to realize" and "Conservativism benefits white women, and most conservative women are white" So it harms or it benefits? You cannot have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:09 PM
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Yadda yadda excuses galore. Again, do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:12 PM
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Again: Eliminating a hindrance isn't the same as adding a positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:12 PM
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And I'm fully aware you might find the one deranged that actually writes those things online, offline. But never approaching because of those statistical outliers is like never going on a rollercoaster because of a few freak accidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:20 PM
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Even if you initiate conversation very politely, there is always the risk that she will make a scene and publicly humiliate or designate you a creep and scream for attempting politely to talk to her. This is unlikely as fuck. To the point that in probably over 500 approaches (probably twice that) it's not happened to me once. Women have made it very clear through their social media messaging and through supporting societal norms that unknown men making conversation is unwanted and creepy. A very…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:42 PM
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Yeah... no. You're defining the requirements for a hook up. Not a long term life entanglement. That's... sad. Sorry, but that's massively sad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:09 PM
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See, again, obscuring bullshit. If men started saying that men get soooo turned on by women making them lunch and getting all ready so they can play videogames, you'd call them out on that. It can be "fantastic" but no, it's not arousing. And if you really wanted to argue, keep in mind that if that was the case, there would be no need to do it naked to make it OF content. So not even your example supports your statement. Again; this is why no one takes women's advice seriously. Because you say b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:07 PM
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"A lot" is a dumb initial statement. It makes for zero debate, it's the coward's choice, because it's completely unfalsifiable. "A lot" of people like being shat in their mouths. "A lot" of people have eleven fingers. "A lot" can be anything from "more than ten" to "more than half". Make a proper statement, or get lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:04 PM
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Sigh. You give an inch, they take a mile. No, the fact being generally immature and not pulling your weight being a turn off doesn't mean house cleaning is foreplay. It's not, and making people believe so is both manipulative and one of the reasons no one takes women's advice seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:01 PM
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On that line, I have absolutely no problem talking to you or him. I believe there are some things he'll hear better from me. Tried DMing you but you have them locked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:34 PM
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What makes you believe "women don't like me"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:36 AM
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I'm not defensive. I'm pointing out that it's both unnecesary as a concept and wrong as a motivation. I don't want to "generate dread". Nor do I aim for it, nor my behavior does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:36 AM
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Ah yes man made horrors beyond my comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:00 AM
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And both are moronic and unnecessary. I stay fit because I have asked my wife to not be with anyone else ever again, so it would be a dick move not to be at least as attractive as I was when I met her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:58 AM
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What's funny about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:57 AM
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Except for a restraining order
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:56 AM
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Okay imma jump in here: One: by definition 99% of 15YOs are incels. We are all horny at 15 and almost no one fucks at 15. But the word incel is quite fucking useless until intersexual dynamics solidify. Your nephew is shooting himself on the foot and putting undue pressure onto himself. Calling himself an incel at 15 (and delving into a community like that) is like saying he's failed financially at 15. Black pill ideology loosely applies to one in a hundred men. And even then it's not particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:55 AM
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When women use sex as a bargaining chip, it's already past the stages of the relationship where red pill applies to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:51 PM
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Notice that MRAs being part of "the manosphere" depends on whether you want to shit on them and say the manosphere gets dangerous things done (then they are), or you want to say the manosphere does nothing practical ever and only whines (then they aren't) The manosphere is useful as a term, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:59 PM
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If you're properly red pilled you understand that women are constantly bombarded with a number of undesirable requests. That they have become selective and use a number of screening methods to test for integrity and congruence. That their initial aloofness is mostly self preservation, and that there's no malice on screening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:52 PM
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Self worth without any external input is called "delusion".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:46 PM
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It's just a useful term taken too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:27 PM
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I'm talking about the feeling when you realize. When the person drops "btw I have three children". It's not disgust. It's not intimidation. It's... a "bleh", a "meh". Almost an "ick"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:24 PM
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It's hard to find a single word that defines the sudden loss of interest and perceived value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:21 PM
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That's... a long ass question. Basically women are sexually attracted to looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. You can zoom in or out and see more or less categories, but I found this the most useful. You need to make an effort in each one, with particular focus on what you can relatively easily improve. You must also go through your behavior and ask yourself if things you do are sinking you on any of those categories. Next point is that flirting is a skill. It's the main wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:16 PM
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I honestly cannot tell if you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said or if you're just that dense. Let me explain it with a simile, just in case you're actually that dense. Bunch of men get together to teach people to ride a bike. The goal: to teach how to ride a bike. Many of its members agree that cardiovascular health is important. And when prompted -or unprompted- they indeed communicate the importance of cardiovascular health. Then someone asks them "If those who teach people how to ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:08 PM
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Look, if you want to consider the red pill some holistic soul growth thing, go ahead. But it ain't. It's about getting laid. And what works, and what doesn't. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:51 PM
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So we can agree that single mothers whose self worth is low are there due to the lack of men interested in them, not due to society saying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:44 PM
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Videos online, a shitton of practicing, being laughed at, more shittons of practicing, two years and a lot of willpower. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:36 PM
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Quick question: If society is telling you that you're not worth much, but eligible men are consistently trying to date you, do you think "society" would actually impact your self worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:31 PM
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This is one of the most obvious. I'll bite, because I'm procrastinating, but this is one of the most egregious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:23 PM
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Single mothers should not have to settle for less They don't have to. Women should not feel like they have to settle for less just because they have children from a relationship. They don't have to. That doesn't decrease their worth and they are still deserving of love. Define "deserve". Besides, a real man wouldn't be intimidated by her circumstance anyway. They aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:22 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:18 PM
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You actually don’t want a Black American woman to answer those questions do you? Thank you. Good hook. How would you feel if I said that police brutality against blacks is seen as more important because blacks are more likely to burn down cities when it happens than whites? Wouldn't you say "no, it's because it's just worse"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:13 PM
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Again. Telling someone that struggles with relationships that "you shouldn't change because you want one" is like telling someone who needs a job "you shouldn't do it for the money". It's moronic. As for "Chad", it's just a term that became useful to save a bunch of words, so it's used.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:53 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:51 PM
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They... do. Entire communities span about this particular issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:49 PM
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Oh for fuck's sake let's stop pretending people can just "stop wanting".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:48 PM
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I needed a praxeology to understand what I needed to do to create attraction. I didn't need that to get married, but it certainly came in handy to get her number within a tiny random interaction, to get her to like me and make out during the first date, to get her to come to my house, etc. The part between having sex and ending up married has nothing to do with the red pill, though. I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:47 PM
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Almost. About being sexually attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:45 PM
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because their lives don’t seem to build community with other men in the way that women build community with other women, and because males are biologically hornier than females and thus more bothered when sexless. Men experience isolation more acutely because they are treated as predators by default. More than half of that is the behavior of women. What you're doing is a cop-out. A woman that hasn't built community at all will get treated an order of magnitude better than a man that hasn't eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:44 PM
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You know? You're fucking spot on. We teach how to be laughed at, and how to get rejected as well. I've been laughed at a hundred times. And rejected easily a thousand. I've been in awkward situations. I've created them. I've made a fool out of myself. My methods -those I learned from the red pill- are pathetic. By following them, and only after over a year of suffering and being laughed at, you might end up getting laid one time out of twenty. I wasn't laughed at before I took them up. I wasn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:33 PM
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I can -and have- show you MRA groups that do A LOT to help men. You will then argue "that's not the manosphere", because "the manosphere" is whatever's most convenient for you to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:23 PM
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Wee bit predatory if you apply that to fucking women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:21 PM
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Why aren’t men going to other men for help? They... do. Often. I took men's help to get out of my shitty situation, and have since helped many men out of theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:20 PM
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You can create them, but you still can't touch them. =D
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:14 PM
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"I am an automation engineer that has been in IT for over twenty years, yet twice I ask what is this “state based random number generator” WTF is a “state based random number generator” ? then I get upset when someone answers" I am asking why a person is referring to a HUMAN as “state based number generator” No you weren't. You were asking what it was. But even then, I was kind enough to explain the simile to you. It's right there, sixth paragraph. Not half a page of text. Stopped reading after …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:11 PM
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And I responded to it. Society doesn't treat men's loneliness as more serious because men are more violent. It does because it is a more serious issue. Edit, because you made me read your post again: On top of that completely wrong premise, you seem to indicate that men react to it "worse than women" because of some inherent quality on men, and not because the problem is an order of magnitude worse. Hell, your entire post is about how men and women react different to the same problem. But it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:01 PM
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That's a completely different question. Actually, two of them. 1- Why doesn't the manosphere do it? Because the manosphere is a completely loose, undefined term that grows and shrinks in scope and power as it's the most convenient for whoever's mentioning it. Because it's the living embodiment of moving goalposts, as evil as the most evil member. Because when something is defined as "whatever is convenient for my current argument", it will unavoidably shrink and grow to the convenience of the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:59 PM
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"We teach you how to ride a bike" "But a lot of bike riders do so for health, why don't you do cardiovascular health awareness marches?" "Because we teach how to ride bikes"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:37 PM
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I'll explain this dude real simple, to save you 3 seconds of googling and smoke coming out of your ears: A state based number generator is a system that turns an initial seed, or state, into a random number, through a series of elaborate formulas. It's called "state based" because there's an original source -or state- from which the random number generates. Two identical sources would generate two identical numbers. To give an oversimplified example, imagine a system that takes the current time …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:33 PM
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Dumb take. Dating apps thrive on desperation, the model is working beautifully. AI will only make it work better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:23 PM
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Ah. I see where you went wrong. You asked women about how to attract women. It's a common beginner mistake. Don't do that. Doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:22 PM
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Despite your relentless effort to the contrary, yes, we know women are normal humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:20 PM
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OP is saying that the problem is seen as different because of men's reaction to it. I'm opposing that core idea. The problem is seen as worse because it's worse. It's not that men "react to it differently" or that men "are more likely to be violent". It is literally a more serious problem. Group A is being pickpocketed. Group B is being stabbed a dozen times. Society cares more about group B not because group B "reacts to it different", but because "it" is objectively worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:15 PM
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The same reason you don't see D&D TTRPG communities organize Tekken videogame tournaments. Yes, a lot of the people that are into D&D are also into videogames. But that's not what D&D communities are for. The fact that individuals that share A also often have B doesn't mean that A is somehow connected to B. The red pill is about teaching people how to be more sexually attractive and to understand how attraction dynamics work. That's it. It's the same bullshit as equating red pill with traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:12 PM
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That's surprising. Not a month ago you posted a bunch of nudes and got dozens of thirsty messages. Funny how quickly you forgot. Edit: you understand that blocking me doesn't stop anyone from reading this, or verifying it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:17 PM
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I generally, sincerely hate the "you can't talk about ABC issues if you're not ABC" But in this case, it applies, sorry. OP, you don't understand what it is to be lonely. You haven't experienced it, and you won't. Very few women do. Sure, you get your "lonely moments" where you struggle to make personal bonds. And you call that lonely. And because all studies are based on self perception, you can say there's the same number of lonely men as there are lonely women. But that's not lonely. Again, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:10 PM
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Yeah, no. You will get validation as long as you're not bottom 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:49 PM
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I am not saying that you should. I am asking why you feel entitled to it as a "right"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:02 PM
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What? The core of our experience is that women are sexually attracted to looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence, and that bettering ourselves in those aspects is the way to go. That has nothing to do with hating, nothing to do with extrapolation, and nothing to do with gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:00 PM
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You say you deserve a man who will actually like you. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:56 PM
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Sugar daddies generally have access to attractive women tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:56 PM
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Here lies the issue: You want to be treated like an extremely attractive, fit woman, without actually putting in the effort to become an attractive, fit woman. Now, other women that aren't extremely attractive or fit, still get what they want, via being less entitled. But you don't want to act your looks and weight. So you tell all women that they should act entitled. That way, maybe you at least don't feel this alone in your misery. You know, misery loves company. Right now, if you were a guy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:55 PM
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Confidence isn't saying you're a catch. Confidence is acting in a manner in which your mental limitations align with your material ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:16 PM
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Dude, you're actively advocating for just finding a random woman and fuck up her life. You cannot seriously claim you "advocate for women".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:32 AM
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Why would you require a woman to advocate for men more than you require men to advocate for women? Women face a number of women specific issues. Do you suggest women should sabotage men that have nothing to do with those issues, merely because they aren't advocating against them? That sounds very much like the "feminazi" word you like throwing around so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:55 PM
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Oh, yes, let's call a person that just goes about their lives in the world's most egalitarian society in the history of mankind a "nazi".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:45 PM
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Most women I've talked to just want to go on with their lives. The same way most men I talk to just want to go on with their lives, and aren't a part of the "patriarchal oppression". Are you telling me you cannot find a single woman that doesn't actively want to oppress men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:36 PM
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Let me get this straight: Because of some significant but mild gender disparities, that relatively impact men, you're going as far as calling it "analogous to the nazi regime" Then, despite the fact most women aren't actively pushing to keep those mild issues like that, you're going to just... pick women randomly, assign them guilt based on trait association, and try to make their life miserable by deceit? Did I get it right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:22 PM
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...I'm gonna go on a limb and say no one, fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:17 PM
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We don't usually agree but you made me laugh out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:16 PM
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There is a lot more to relationships than sexuality. But I want to push back and say that "managing female sexuality" after the main point of it -becoming desirable- has been achieved is at best an offshoot and involves a lot of guesstimation. The red pill is not equipped to inform behavior in long, committed relationships. Yes, understanding how attraction works still remains a useful tool, but it certainly cannot be the cornerstone of any actionable "managing".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:45 PM
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I don't understand your question
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:48 PM
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The red pill's only real scope is the part of relationships that goes from "Unknown" to "Initial stages of dating and sex". And this is specific. The red pill's scope is not how to get from casually seeing someone to a serious, committed long term relationship. If it was applied to jobs instead of women, the scope would be the steps from unemployed to just employed, but it would not be how to be a good employee, or a moral one. It would not even be about how to screen the jobs or how to pick a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:07 PM
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Flair checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:19 AM
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The red pill isn't an ideology. It doesn't have a "dream" or a goal. Your question is akin to asking "what is the utopia for the scientific method?" The red pill says: "If you want to attract women, for whatever goal, do this" The goal can be to stop being a virgin. The goal can be to get in a marriage. The goal can be to have a fucking harem. The red pill doesn't get there at all. Red pillers are people, though. So it's very easy to see red pillers taking the knowledge and saying "Well, now we …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:30 AM
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Actually quite close to the truth. Also applies to most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:01 PM
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I am not saying there aren't women in america that avoid those negative traits. There are sexist men in Sweden, and not sexist men in Afghanistan, but if you want to find a man that's not sexist, you're going to have better luck statistically in Sweden. This covers your criticisms in both promiscuity and obesity. I don't think you argue that the average of sexual partners before marriage in the US is an order of magnitude higher than in, say, Japan or Russia. Not every woman subscribes to these …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:51 PM
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It's not basic logic. It's hubris. They found women that are better than western women. They talk about the traits they like Because they like those traits. Thinking they do it to "throw shade" on those lacking those traits is pure conceit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:24 PM
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Yeah. It's absolutely always sex tourism and about fucking children. It can't be because of the entitlement. It has to be predatory. Cannot be because of the obesity, no, it's about children. It absolutely isn't about loudness and obnoxiousness. They all must be pedophiles. (thank you for so eagerly proving exactly the point I was making)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:22 PM
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Well, your statement is lacking one little bit of nuance. It's not necessarily about SHARING cultural traits. You can be raised in a culture and despise the behavior of said culture. The fact you're raised in a culture doesn't mean you necessarily like everything about it. Even if Afghan women are raised in Afghan cultures, even if they don't share the Swedish values, they are allowed to say "sorry, this fucking sucks, my culture regarding this fucking sucks", and travel to Sweden. (Well, they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:22 PM
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We're not talking about men that engage in sex tourism. That's not what passport bros are. Again, it's like if you started talking about trans people, I told you they are sexual predators, you called me out in the generalization, and I said "well everyone saying they are trans to sexually expose themselves to girls are predators" Yeah. But that's a minority I would have pulled out of my ass. The same way you pulled sex tourists out of your ass in a topic about passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:57 PM
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I'm fairly sure that taking pictures with deceitful background to generate social clout and to seem more popular than you are to get attention is not a uniquely "passport bro" trait. Nor a uniquely (or particularly) male one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:52 PM
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"How dare they not pick western women"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:50 PM
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Holy fuck the hubris. "They talk good about women from elsewhere, that is clearly about the US and our little ego" You sound like a jealous ex saying that his ex talking about how happy she is now does so to make him suffer. Unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:49 PM
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But you'd understand that an Afghan woman who doesn't want to marry into someone with Afghan cultural standards would want to travel somewhere where those cultural standards don't involve beating and raping your wife, right? It's not such a difficult thing to understand that every culture has some really ugly drawbacks, that those ugly drawbacks affect the personality ("quality") of the people of that culture, and that it's perfectly reasonable to go where the culture is more likely to generate …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:46 PM
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Sorry, do you extend the same behavior to everyone? If, say, there's a number of trans people that commit sexual crimes, do you call all trans people predators? Are all black people criminals because some of them commit violent crimes? If the answer to both is "no", I don't see why you'd insist that the fact some "passport bros" have sex with underage women is enough to brand them all as predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:37 PM
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So, you would not say that finding a good husband in Afghanistan is much much harder than finding one in, say, Sweden? (Edit, to respond to your other point): You are also under the impression that you need for no one to be a valid partner to want to move. I am sure that there is at least one man in Saudi Arabia that isn't sexist and possessive. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to try to find a husband in a place where that's one in a hundred, instead of finding one where the chances are closer to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:29 PM
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Yeah. Every single one of them. They are all pedophiles. It can't be because of the entitlement. It has to be predatory. Cannot be because of the obesity, no, it's about children. It absolutely isn't about loudness and obnoxiousness. They all must be pedophiles. The same way that an incel insists on how they are all whores that chase assholes. It cannot be a shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:27 PM
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I am going to challenge you in a particular point you base most of your argument: You say that men who travel abroad to find a partner couldn't find one in the US who likes him. Why is that? If a female friend of yours says she can't find a boyfriend, do you immediately jump to the conclusion of "not a single man in the city wants her"? I'm not jumping at your throat, don't get me wrong. I think you however do have a blind spot, and that is the fact that men might want to travel, not because no …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:17 PM
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You will see many men saying that women hate it because they want the attention, or the resources, or for men to be miserable. They are all, generally speaking, wrong. The truth is a bit more complex. First, you need to understand most women that have an opinion on this truly believe it's exploitative and predatory. They aren't lying, they aren't trolling, they truly believe it. Second, there's the truth that there's a non-negligible overlap both conceptually and practically between passport bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:07 PM
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"I have decided to entwine my entire life with a person" isn't "I have a friend".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:22 AM
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I am as red pill as red pill gets. I don't hate women; I'm actually married to a woman. An amazing woman that makes me enormously happy. The red pill's scope is not about relationships. It's -in its majority- uniquely about what works and doesn't to get to the "sleeping together" stage. Now, it is true that some really stupid people, both inside the red pill and outside of it, can feel that in drawing conclusions of what actually creates attraction, one paints women in poor light, and that is ak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:50 PM
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All those collectives have completely different ideas regarding your point, and the majority of men ascribing to each one of them can be defined by completely different drivers. Your statement doesn't hold up, as you're not talking about a stance commonly held by a collective of ideas that have pretty much zero overlap with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:15 PM
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Define "the manosphere", or your entire argument is completely undebatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:07 PM
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Its absolutely insane to me when women tell introverted single dudes to build a rich social circle but even in that social circle he shouldn't hit on his female friends - but build another one that overlaps with the primary one, and in that secondary social circle he should meet people who will take him to the third social space removed just far enough for things not to get awkward if rejections happens and close enough for it to count as a warm approach. You're taking a mishmash of opinions fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:17 PM
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Kind and good are the qualities to seek. But my definition isn't weird. A friend of yours introduces you to his partner. She's awful. He asks "what do you think?" The nice answer isn't at all the same as the kind or the good answer. "How does this dress look on me?" - Looks horrible The nice thing to do is to say "you look great" The kind thing to do is to say "Not the best fit to be honest".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:19 PM
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First -and not saying it's on you- nice/asshole is neither the only two options or even incompatible. Nice is a bad trait to have. Nice implies lack of confidence. Nice means soft and pleasant and unwilling to risk offense. It's shallow. It's a quality of the how you interact, not the what you do. We all know at least one nice asshole. Kind and good are the qualities to seek. But doing the kind thing is not doing the nice thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:37 PM
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According to terp logic, I should have a horde of thirsty women in my DMs; even though as a married man I’m doing nothing to court their attention. Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness, competence. You've talked about two. And, you still need to put you out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:59 PM
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No one is free from the burden of supporting women and their bad choices. If it's not a single man, it's the collective of men through taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:58 PM
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I think it’s just also worth bearing in mind that if you’re a white cishet guy there’s a chance you resemble her abuser, so every time a guy approaches her even if he’s respectful, it’s reminding her of the abuse she experienced. Sorry, but there's no way on earth this doesn't warrant an immediate touch grass diagnostic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:59 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 06:37 PM
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You really need to either find someone really unhinged or push it far as fuck. And honestly, oh no, you're now outside of the bar. Unlikely + not catastrophic + enormous benefit if it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:15 PM
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That's among the most cronically reddit takes I've seen in my life. Stop letting women this far gone dictate your behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:05 PM
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And she's right...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:03 PM
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No dude. She's right on that one. You need to be willing to make some people a bit uncomfortable. Just fucking don't do it at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:03 PM
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What i have learned is to be ok if something i did made a person uncomfotable - just apologise and step back. We don't know what will make a person uncomfortable as different thing will make different people uncomfortable. Top notch nuance. Listen to this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:02 PM
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You certainly deny it in yourself, no? Do you subscribe to male hypergamy? I absolutely don't deny going for the absolute best woman I can get. That's precisely how I ended up with my wife, which is the best woman I've ever met. Shouldn’t RP consider male hypergamy a bad thing if female hypergamy is bad? 🤔 Neither is inherently bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:35 AM
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We can discuss that, sure, but that has nothing to do with "male hipergamy"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:48 PM
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Loyalty, and in general doing the right thing despite what your instincts want is not the same as what your instincts want. We aren't only our cravings. Feeling sexual attraction towards someone doesn't mean I intend, or try, to fuck that someone. Cheating and disloyal behavior require both the desire and the lack of character to resist it. When people say men are more loyal, they refer to the second. It's not "they don't feel the impulse to", but "they don't act on it".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:32 PM
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I've never seen rp discuss male hypergamy (wanting younger attractive women no matter how the guy looks or his age) and male polygamy (wanting to sleep with different women, as many as he possibly can). What...exactly... would we discuss about? Men don't deny this. Specially not redpillers. The only reason women hypergamy is ever discussed is because many women deny it and obscure it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:57 PM
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I don't disagree. And it's okay to fail, it's okay to ascribe failure to different types, once you've already done all you needed to do. You cannot tell an insecure, boring, jobless, fat slob "Attraction is random, there's no cheat code, she rejected you because chance". Poker is random, but if you don't know how to play poker, you will never win. It's disingenuous to tell someone that's losing and losing at poker "don't worry, you'll win eventually, it's a matter of time before you're dealt a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:40 PM
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There's an underlying fallacy here. I'll try to draw it out: "Down to the individual level, when already within a set of parameters, there is a degree of randomness to what specifically works." That's your basis. And it's true. But then you draw conclusions. For most people I know who're in relationships, or who're sexually active, attraction is usually arbitrary. There is no set of strict rules There is no mathematical analysis of human emotions, you can't game your way into love. You're giving…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:50 PM
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Holy fuck I went to there and my respect for humanity died a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:40 PM
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Still a stupidly overwhelming amount of women that insist that to get a date men should be "nice", and "emotionally mature" and "supportive". Still a stupidly overwhelming amount of women insisting that they "don't care about looks at all". Hell, in this very post there's a handful of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:32 PM
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Both. Lie about not fucking -been that guy- and lie about what attracts them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:28 PM
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Again, you cannot even imagine someone bothered by problems other men face. But you're wrong. I know what I'm saying is true precisely because I had to change. And it worked. I wasn't a better person at 25 than I was at 20. In fact if anything my moral quality has gone down considerably. At 20 I couldn't get a single woman to even go out on a date with me. Despite me being supportive, or a good listener, or a good person. At 25 I was fucking women left and right. One night stands, women in relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:27 PM
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The thing is, you write that, and you believe it's some sort of gotcha. But not only it doesn't say anything about me, it does say two things about you. First, that the only unit of value you understand is sex. This is... sad. Understandable, but sad. Second, that you cannot even fathom the notion of someone thinking -much less talking- about an issue that doesn't affect them personally. That's the depth of your emotional and rational intelligence. That's... tough. I am sad for you; and if your …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:09 PM
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Men lie on the regular as well. We just don't lie about what we are sexually attracted to. Every single time a man says "I'm not looking for something serious", he's lying, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:14 PM
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Your entire point is that I can't pinpoint which women are lying about it? I can. Any woman that insists on being sexually attracted to virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:11 PM
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The only thing I'm calling a lie is the lie. "I am attracted to kindness, emotional intelligence and commitment, but I will consistently filter people by looks, assertiveness and charisma" is a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:45 PM
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"plenty" "a lot of the" Those are useless, shitty, obscuring terms. Plenty of women like eating literal shit. A lot of men like being kicked in the balls. That's not good faith arguing. The problem is a lot of the nerdy guys who think they are “nice” are also deeply misogynistic. This is another layer of bullshitting and deliberate obscuring. No, you're not values detectors. Women are as shitty as men at telling apart good character from bad. The nerdy socially awkward guys don't get fucked beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:30 PM
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"Lots" is not information. My statement is that there's a significant amount (Say, half) of women that insist they would not fuck a hot charismatic guy without commitment, moreover, that they are not even attracted to that, and then go on and fuck the guy when given the chance. That is lying. And it is frequent. An overwhelming majority of women insist that they are attracted to kindness, emotional intelligence and dedication. And the most sold book of the past decade is horny erotic literature …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:27 PM
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The thing is, at this stage you're trying to keep things obscure. You're telling men not to draw conclusions from our observations. "She feels like it" when a number of things happen. Those things form a pattern. Stop trying to make people ignore the pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:21 PM
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Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness, competence. Roughly in that order.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:19 PM
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Let's drop the bullshitting. You ask 100 men if they would fuck a hot model with shitty morals if she was already down to fuck, and the overwhelming majority will say "yes". Then the overwhelming majority would actually do it. You ask 100 women if they would fuck a hot, charismatic guy with shitty morals and the overwhelming majority would say "no". Then given the chance the overwhelming majority would fuck the guy. That's lying. The fact there's one woman out of like five that admits "yeah I'll…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:18 PM
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There's one critical difference: Men don't lie about what gets us going.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:39 AM
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You don't seem to want an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:33 AM
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Nah man. That's a cop out. Women could bullshit the same bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:30 AM
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Dude that's not what he said. He said that being nice and being an asshole doesn't correspond with the part of "personality" that creates attraction; namely confidence, assertiveness and charisma. FFS.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:22 PM
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Great example of take it serious but don't take it literal. Show your intentions early: Don't hide your intentions. You don't need to sperg them the first minute, but don't go full friendzone and wait six months to tell her you're into her. For fuck's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:33 PM
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I always found the pink ones to be the most unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:29 PM
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The anger towards women that the red pill embraces is irrational, unreasonable and outright dangerous. Anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:42 PM
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Good looking, confident, charismatic, assertive and competent. That works. It's not "be yourself" empty platitudes. It's not "just be nice" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:47 PM
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The issue here is that you're trying to discuss the pills in term of "what they tell you to do". They don't. The red pill specifically tells you what women are attracted to. Both of them can "tell men" to do the same thing for completely different reasons and they only fundamentally disagree on what works and what doesn't for attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:38 PM
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Of course the red pill focuses on women. It's literally just a series of observations around the stage between not knowing a woman and fucking her. And it's absolutely useless and unnecessary if you already are having success with that particular stage. So, again, let me repeat it: the red pill is useless if you already have no issues attracting women. Of course, if you don't have success there, you need to change. And of course if you have success, the goal is to "be yourself and be comfortable…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:30 PM
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It's not a division of whore and wife. Men have just different standards for someone we are willing to fuck, and someone we are willing to commit to forever
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:41 PM
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My marriage is great, and so is my bedroom life, pretty much alive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:45 PM
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Few points here: First, it's wrong to seek sex outside a committed relationship. For both men and women. Second, women are "punished" (find difficulties to get into a committed relationship) because their behavior changes, while men's doesn't. It's easier with a couple examples. I'll do it from the POV of both a woman and a man, both meeting a partner that's fucked a lot and now wants to settle down. Scenario one: You're a woman. You meet a man that used to fuck other women casually, and... You …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:52 AM
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I'll try to explain this in an extremely simple way: I don't mind fucking a serial cheater. I would not date a serial cheater. I don't mind fucking a woman with a gambling addiction. I would not commit to one. Same thing for high maintenance. I don't mind it for a week, I wouldn't commit to it for life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:49 PM
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Even looking past the false dichotomy (15 hours a week vs not showering in three days), you still don't get it Men like (Lust for) women with that amount of time put into their looks. Men don't like (don't want to commit to) women that demand extreme amounts of time, energy or money. So men will want to fuck, or fuck women that spend that amount of time in their looks, but will not want to commit to them. I am fine with "my girl" with sweatpants, no make up, hair in a bun, and not perfectly shav…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:42 PM
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If a woman says "yeah I'd hook up with a heavy drinker but I'd never marry one", would you say "cause you can't withstand it"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:54 PM
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Your first issue is the misconception of "high maintenance" You think we mean "that puts effort into her looks". What we mean is "she demands a high amount of resources". Resources here being money, or time, or emotional effort, or attention, or problem solving, or... Those two CAN be loosely correlated: a woman that spends a lot on her looks tends to care a lot about her looks, and be difficult in things like time needed or skewed priorities. But it's a loose correlation at best. Second misconc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:42 PM
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And they sometimes overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:35 PM
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Worst take I've seen in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:33 PM
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Pretty much, yes. I did fuck a few very high maintenance women. I just would never make it to a point where their high maintenance costs affected me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:32 PM
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I do understand the post. I am asking you to describe, precisely, where is OP saying anything about double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:23 PM
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It's universally agreed on that pretending to be a friend to have sex with someone is wrong. The fact one is wrong doesn't mean actively keeping those guys around cannot also be wrong. Men being able to post pictures online doesn't mean women seeking validation from hundreds of men is either okay or beyond reasonable judgement. Same for exes. Your boundary comment is a bit moronic. Men are called jealous and controlling if they have the boundary of "I don't want to be with someone that seeks val…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:22 PM
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What exactly is the double standard here? Or are you just using a canned response like a sweet little NPC?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:53 PM
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It seems you have hit a sensitive spot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:52 PM
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You know what? You're right. That too is a factor. Finding out that those who keep crying about unrealistic standards and sexist anime masturbate to giant buffed bull dong stretching their moaning soaked self insert does feel a bit like a slap to the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:41 PM
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I'll take your number. Ten percent. Now, marrying has no requirements. You don't need to take a class. You don't need to pass an exam. You don't need to be mature or wise. You don't even need to be particularly committed to learning or developing or wising up. Out of a hundred couples, you say only ten are loving and stable and happy. But how many of them have a psicoemotional development that's sufficient? Let's be kind and say half. Out of those, how many reach the necessary conclusion that lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:18 PM
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Men should not judge women about their fetishes. To each their own, god knows men have some fucked up things. What men can do, is pay attention. The only thing that's wrong is the preaching of "noooo women aren't attracted to power and dominance and violence, stop looking at what we do and go back to looking at what we say" That's the true ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:44 AM
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You could argue rape, but the problem is that the pattern is shitty, shittied by two shitty people. The woman consistently shows guilt-based initial cold feet, followed by getting drunk and taking sexual initiative. The dude is overall a scumbag. But he has been rewarded in every "forceful" step he's taken. Then he gets invited to basically fuck. Yeah, he should have double checked that her reluctance this time was "real". (as opposed to literally every enjoyed action so far) so you could say it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:21 AM
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Have you read women smut? The bear is at least somehow anthropomorphic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:07 AM
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So we agree: when it matters, in really bad moments, men should not share their feelings with their female partners, and instead deal with them through other self-reliant ways. Did I get you right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:32 PM
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According to who in this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:17 PM
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Men don't say they want to be vulnerable. No man fucking asked for that. It was women insisting men open up. It was feminist insisting "they also help men", it was again women considering the much needed stoicism "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:15 PM
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The cost of opening up is absolutely too high for too many men to encourage it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:07 PM
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"A healthy way" is an extremely narrow line that boils down to "Enough to make me feel important and validated, but not as much as to make me feel uncomfortable or show weakness" It's simply not worth trying to walk it. One woman in like five have the emotional maturity to actually be of any help, and you won't know if yours is one of those until you're in a truly bad moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:06 PM
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Sorry to hear that man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:03 PM
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It's not men telling other men to be emotionally open. Every man that's been emotionally open with their partner will tell their friends not to show their feelings. It's simply not fucking worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:02 PM
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And friends. And ways to deal with it by ourselves. It's not men telling other men to "show their emotions". It's women. Generally driven by emotional voyeurism and need for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:00 PM
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Men CAN be vulnerable and show their feelings. It's just that there are some unwritten rules about it: It has to be about specific feelings. Ideally love or sadness. Show frustration or anger and then you're violent and scary and dangerous. It has to be a specific duration. Too long and it becomes, as OP said, "wallowing" and emotional labor. It has to have a specific cause. Too little and you're a crybaby, too much and it's -again- emotional labor. If there's a source, it also needs to be speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:58 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:50 PM
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I had to read twice to double check where she wrote girls and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:48 PM
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Dinner dates as a first date is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons. Only a few of them being red pill related. 1- You are locking yourself with a person you don't know for at least 90 minutes, with no easy way out should it turn awkward. 2- You are having a first date at night with no noncommittal second location if it goes good and you want to spend more time. 3- This one is red pilled, but you are starting the relationship by agreeing to give money to a stranger. That is already signaling…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:31 PM
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I haven't. Certainly not widespread. The red pill is about what works. It's true that we discourage being overly giving to someone undeserving, but that's more on the line of not being a doormat and not exuding desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:09 PM
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Not at all, not when getting dates and certainly not in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:58 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:55 PM
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Because it would be wildly inappropriate, considering my marital status..
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:44 PM
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Not that different; I too am done chasing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:25 PM
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I never said you had an issue with it. Some women lead a life that's such a wreck that any good man will curve them before they even become a blip in said women's radar. Those women insist there are no good men. You insist there are no women that add any value other than sex. It works off the same principle. As for the personal jabs, they are fine. It's true that I'm not rich. I'm an underpaid senior programmer, actively working on fixing it. But if you were so comfortable in your own situation,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:10 PM
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Your statement means that you have arranged your life in a way that ensures those women who have a lot to offer avoid you even before you register their existence. Which is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:35 PM
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OP didn't use that term. He said bear minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:29 PM
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That's... very sad to hear. Makes sense, you know, but that says very meh things about your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:28 PM
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The problem is an extreme lack of nuance. There's a massive difference between effort and simping. And even if you saw it all like the same thing, there's a massive difference between effort and what's perceived as effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:27 PM
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Why are you wasting your time in something so... sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:25 PM
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This is the equivalent of telling the obese fatty "you're a ten, act like it"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:24 PM
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No, admittedly, this is bottom tier advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:23 PM
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Almost all men want commitment. Almost all women want sex. When a man says "I don't want something serious", we mean "I don't want something serious with you". A woman who believes men don't want commitment is the same kind of sad as the men who believe women don't like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:49 PM
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Unless the threshold is stupid high or the woman just isn't good, there will be people in that pool. Less, less attractive, but there will. And if the woman has some good things going for her in dating, that pool can be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:36 PM
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"I disagree with you because I don't hate women" "Why are you jumping to me saying you hate women?" Done with the bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:32 PM
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I don't hate women. I am sorry I don't fit your preprogramming. The fact women are attracted to dominance and power is pretty much self evident. Helps that their wet fantasies are always about powerful, dominant men. You trying to read more into it to say "actually it is about..." is just some fucked up rationalization. It isn't. Women like looks, confidence, charisma, dominance and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:22 PM
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I don't understand why you have such a dichotomous outlook. I didn't sacrifice shit. I just limited my effort to women I considered great values-wise and then got the hottest one in that collective. Which happens to be the one I really want. You need to be a really basic human being to equate "the sexually most attractive" and "the only one you want"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:20 PM
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Same would go with a good looking social isolation weak slob. You are really sold in the "women are amazing" bullshit. How is it so hard for you to understand that they are attracted to power and dominance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:17 PM
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It's not about attractive or not attractive. By all means go for attractive. But choose among those already willing to commit, and already with heavy indicators of good values. Of course that means sacrificing a lot of cheap but oh so craved validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 05:13 PM
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Absolutely not. If anything, to make a very small exception. But even if the goal was to change it, it STILL is the reason they are attractive in the first place. Changing men for the better could go with a fat slob wanking to hentai, but that changing doesn't make women horny. Because those aren't attractive traits. Power, violence and dominance are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:51 PM
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Look man; if you want to argue that reading her profile is actually counterproductive, we can have that conversation. But that wasn't the point you were making. It was that it was a ton of work. And it fucking isn't. It's less than two minutes per day for 90% of the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:47 PM
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I'm fairly more worried about AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:05 PM
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Sorry dude she's got you dead to rights. Matches aren't that common and the effort is minimal
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:03 PM
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If you don't have the looks, dating apps are shooting you in the foot. You need to play your strengths and find environments where charisma can reign supreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:02 PM
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We are aware of the "woman turns out supremely alpha extremely attractive man through the power of her love" trope. The problem comes when we are also told that the traits that make that supremely attractive man "aren't what makes a man attractive at all", often adding a "it actually turns women off". Fifty shades of grey, that weird new bestiality book, ETC, selling worldwide and beating records based on how horny they get women prove that women are sexually attracted to power, dominance, dange…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:20 PM
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Two core issues. The biggest one is not actually the one you raise, but the layering of standards. Generally women want attractive men (Good looking, charismatic, confident, assertive, competent). And they also want committed and kind partners. Now, out of the men that pay attention to her (want to fuck her), she can either give her chances to the most attractive, get involved with them, and then try to get them to commit (and pray he's kind), or she can pick the most attractive among those who …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:06 PM
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Admittedly, all your advice is useless if you can't get to the first date stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:54 PM
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I did. And I disagree. Those topics aren't debated because they aren't the main focus. When you bring up, they aren't debated, not because men don't care, but because they aren't the main focus. When they bring it up, they aren't debated, not because they "just want to blame women", but because they aren't the main focus. For all it seems, you are really trying to avoid answering What is the manosphere? What actions constitute "being good"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:37 AM
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Or, maybe, again, because suicide, circumcision, etc aren't about dating. And this is a sub where people interested in dating dynamics come to talk about dating. And no, you haven't. You haven't defined what "being good" is and how the "manosphere" (also not defined) insists on not doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:01 AM
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And those that bring it up often find there's not a big conversation about either. Again, because it's a sub about dating. I did read it. Again, define it. Give examples. Say what you mean by "the manosphere", say what you mean by "being a good person for the sake of being good" What actions are you talking about? Stop being fuzzy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:56 AM
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And I insist. The difficult part for men is getting to the sex. After that you have quite a lot of leeway and as long as you're not an absolute moron or evil, you'll do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:15 AM
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Shallow... isn't the word. He values personality, he's just very (very) picky about looks. Manipulative... he does have the charisma and practice. Depends a lot on your definition of manipulation. He is almost incapable of telling a lie, though. To the point of me often saying "father, too much, no need to share those things" Convincing people of his appeal, yes. And he has plenty. And yes, he keeps benefitting from it. But it's a good example of how it's not particularly hard to go from fuckboy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:58 AM
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You got ignored when you brought up circumcision to a post about dating? Must be the lack of empathy! Your entire argument operates because you keep definitions fuzzy. What precisely is the "manosphere"? define it. What do you mean by "being good"? What constitutes "being good for the sake of being good"? Give some examples of what you consider should be done by men towards women "because it's good". This post is mostly you giving yourself a lot of room to move goalposts. Be more precise. My que…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:47 AM
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Look, I'm not one of those RPs. I am in my early 30s and I'm married to an amazing woman. But my father is. He has no idea of the red pill, but he was living by it since the fucking 80s. When he divorced my mother, around his mid forties, he became a casual fuck boy. Slept with around fifty women per year for years. And when age begun to catch up with him, at around 55, he settled down with a woman ten years younger, and they are happy together now. Turns out that if you are high value and have …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:40 AM
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Dunno man, those two feel pretty avoidable. Why not get your weight under control and then your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:34 AM
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I don't know how you can so diametrically oppose op's views while bringing the exact same energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:28 AM
0

This fucker knows dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:21 AM
3

But you made a statement. Let's take me out of the equation. How does the red pill "see women"? And why would the relationship be based on lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:05 PM
3

And how, pray tell, do I see women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:02 PM
3

How come?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:59 PM
1

I'd still want millions in investments to be totally fair but I can't complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:36 PM
2

High standards about moral values and integrity are great. High standards about looks and money are... a choice. Standards are filters. If you consistently filter for looks, you'll get great looks. If you consistently filter for morals, you'll get great morals. The better you are, the more strict filters you can apply without ending up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:31 PM
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It's never about higher or lower. It's about how your priorities are layered. Find the most attractive man within those who are willing to commit and morally good, and you guarantee willingness to commit and good morals. Try to find the most willing to commit and morally good one among the hottest and most attractive and you guarantee hotness and attractiveness. I married the most attractive woman I could find among those that were already good and strong. I didn't start dating the hottest one a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:29 PM
2

Thing is, if a man that consistently goes for the hottest women keeps whining about all of them being bad partners, I'll tell that man (and have in the past) "if your priority is hot, then you cannot complain about personality. If you want a good personality, prioritize it" As a wise man once said: pick your priorities carefully. More often than not they are the only things you'll achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:25 PM
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I'm very sorry you ended up miserable. That sucks. For me, I'm not wealthy, but generally speaking life has smiled at me in relationships. Did all I could possibly have imagined, and now I'm married to an absolutely amazing woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:22 PM
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So, how is that working out for you? Are you rich enough to sit back and do nothing? And are you okay with women wanting you for your money alone? If so, congratulations, do what makes you happy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:05 PM
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To be fairly honest it's never happened to me. It's not like you need to push extreme boundaries, whip out your penis and slap them over the head with it. And if someone gets offended by their date saying "wow, you're hot", or by obviously checking them out smiling, then the person is not for me. Again, never happened, but I would quickly remove myself from that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:03 PM
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You know? Let's ask you to substantiate a single statement. We cannot talk about majorities because neither you nor I know how many red pill people there are, so you pulled that one out of your ass. But you followed with "even you". What makes you say that? Where are you drawing that statement from?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:00 PM
2

Doesn't help that the most spewed term alongside "personality" is "nice". Nice is not a good trait. I'll die on this hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:55 AM
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You just said it was the entire premise. The moment you're called out on that you move the goalpost and say "well some people that ascribe to it act that way". Now you make another unsubstantiated claim. I don't have the energy nor the will to go on where the fuck you arrived to the conclusion that demeaning, demoralizing or ignoring is adviced. Certainly what I've learned from the red pill is that if you need to play games to fuck a woman, the best you can possibly get is a woman who plays game…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:52 AM
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Nothing in the red pill says you should treat women poorly, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:41 AM
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I don't get offended. People use the generic "nice" accurately, and they use it instead of "good" or "kind" because it has a different meaning. It's not on me that you went completely unhinged over improperly understanding your own language. And... by the rest of your reply, it is clear you don't understand the difference. The "catchphrase" you mention and the interpretation you give it means that you still don't understand the difference between being good and being nice. So... at this stage, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:21 AM
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My wife isn't nice. And I'm not nice to her. It baffles me to see there're still people insisting on nice My wife is a good woman. And she's kind to me. Kindness includes moments where you're not nice, and without those moments a relationship won't survive past the first honeymoon period. Kindness includes saying the difficult things. The small difficult things like "that dress doesn't look good on you" or "we are gaining weight, let's put a stop to it" to more serious not nice moments. If you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:51 AM
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Also to stop hiding my sexual interest in fear of rejection. Also drop being overly respectful and start assuming women like sex, like being desired, and won't be offended because you show your interest. But yeah the doormat thing was a problem. The moment you bend yourself backwards to please a woman you barely know is the moment you signal you're utterly desperate. And desperation is a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:27 AM
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Spot on. And the second group of traits are important. Just not attractive. You first need to be desired (confidence, competence, assertiveness, charisma). Then kindness and goodness and respect take you from fuck buddy to good partner. Trying investment, goodness, kindness, respect, attention, without first being desired takes you to the friend zone "I see you like a brother". Also spot on showing that NICENESS doesn't belong in either. Nice is a negative trait for securing attraction and a neu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:24 AM
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I'm sure you can spot unsuccessful red pilled men. But those that actually learn? Yeah, not gonna happen. But hey, if someone in the past treating you poorly makes you treat those you dislike like shit, I'm glad you at least are open about it. Thank you for outing yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:20 AM
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I didn't become an asshole. "Nice" isn't a good trait. "Nice" conveys a lot of undesirable things. You can be nice and still be an asshole. The personality crowd are not wrong about the importance of personality, they are just wrong in which aspects of personality matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:58 AM
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I did. I stopped being nice. And it worked wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:55 AM
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Ah drop the autistic screeching. Looks help, even if someone hideous got a girlfriend Money helps, even if someone poor once got a girlfriend Health helps, even if someone obese once got a girlfriend Your anecdotal story means absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:44 PM
1

Social skills are extremely beneficial in dating. The right social skills. Charisma helps. But it also needs confidence. And humor and wit can be detrimental if used wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:40 PM
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Red pill ideology insists on how critically important social skills are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:44 AM
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You have an issue understanding the concept of skills. Skills can be taken as tools. They aren't good or bad. You are asking if a hammer is universally considered a good tool. But are you shoving a nail in a plank or cutting a wire? Being witty and funny as you say you are (even if you took those as absolute and not contextual and nuanced) are good social skills for a wide number of contexts. But they might not be the best tool for other situations. And depending on circumstances, you can get yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:37 AM
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Scandinavian countries have a foundation of unified nation and work ethics that are without par. They also have the most draconian anti immigration legislation ever to be written since WWII. That's not a coincidence. Socialism works as long as there aren't leeches taking advantage of it. So yeah, do your own math.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:45 PM
1

Why don't you go to a country that... oh, nevermind, they all failed. The government adds no value. UBI means less people work, less value to redistribute, country does worse. This is why we shouldn't let anyone on government help vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:38 PM
1

Let's find the middle ground and say less in general to all welfares
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:34 PM
1

The byproduct of selecting for kindness and commitment before looks and charisma is that instances of abuse are less. Less. Not zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:32 PM
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'Pick better" is not about reading minds or "not picking abusers", it's about layering your priorities to filter for character and commitment, then looks and charisma, and not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:28 PM
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I'm yet to meet such a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 08:50 AM
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Not really. Learning how to socialize and generally approach women in your day to day gives you both a better success ratio and way more practice for the dates you potentially get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 08:47 AM
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"Has anyone told you you're hot as fuck?" is a bit more direct. Also works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:38 PM
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Doesn't need to be something massive. Or constant. It only has to be clear and early. With the woman that ended up being my wife, it was looking at her from head to toes obviously and smiling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:36 PM
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It's literally what I went through, just ten years later. Do you think he will tell you "yeah, you cannot be rich, better wait sitting on your thumbs until then"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:32 PM
2

Stop making excuses for yourself. You need to develop flirting skills. And those are only developed flirting. You keep saying you're waiting for money. That's a cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:28 PM
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Being kind, supportive, respectful, dedicated, listening and being emotionally available are the minimum requirements for a partner of either gender. They aren't at all requirements to get laid, to have a ONS, to get dates, ETC. Niceness is not unattractive. Kindness is not unattractive. Niceness is, as it's unavoidably linked with lack of character. The people selling this shit just want you to be an nihilist asshole who does nothing to make their community better so they don't have to compete …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:26 PM
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I'm going to reveal a male secret here: "Looking for something serious" is a lie by omission. When a guy tells you "I'm not looking for something serious", he means "I'm not looking for something serious [with you]" Or, taken in a bit more cynical way: I am looking for something serious, but you will do for now. Yes, all men (Yeah, maybe one or three aren't like that, but one or three also like being punched in the nuts, so exception just confirms the rule)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:52 PM
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Sounds like a latter version of what I did. I took it a bit further tho. (Polite way of saying I was a fucking slut)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:43 PM
1

Yeah, none of that is red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:41 PM
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I insist. The blue pill makes perfect sense when you naturally know how to be attractive to women to the point you don't understand what you're doing. Then being yourself is useful. Then being kind and pleasant and interested in them works wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:38 PM
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It did. I got as many experiences as I could possibly want, from relationships to one night stands, and ended up marrying an absolutely amazing woman that makes my life enormously happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:31 PM
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We met a few times, we talked every day, we had sex many times, and eventually she moved to where I live, and I asked her out. After a while of living together, I asked her to marry me, and she said yes. Had I not read PUA books, had I not practice, had I not known what TRP was about, and applied everything I knew, then we would now be strangers that once travelled in the same car.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:30 PM
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I made up a stupid excuse ("If you want a guide of the city, I'm free this week"). No one cares about the excuse, both she and I knew it was an excuse. It doesn't need to be tricky or elaborate. Also, you need to give your number, because if you ASK for the number you're more likely to trigger some defenses. So you give your number and let her decide. Finally, I knew the occasion wasn't ideal (Traffic, cars, language barrier) but a lot of practice again helped. When she texted, I proposed a very…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:28 PM
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Sure. Hell, I'll tell you how I got my wife. I was travelling, blablacar (a shared ride company). I was a passenger. Hadn't slept that night, so I was completely zombie. On the front seat was a good looking woman. Roughly my age (I was 25 at the time). When we made a pit stop to have a coffee and the like, I struck some casual conversation. I can strike up a casual conversation because during my teenage years (well closer to 20s) I practiced and practiced and practiced, got rejected so many fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:23 PM
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Biggest changes were two. I had to teach myself to flirt, which meant crossing lines I didn't think was respectful to cross. It also meant a lot of practicing, a lot of cold approaching, a lot of being rejected (And by a lot I mean it probably approached the upper half of triple digits in two years). The other big one was to make it very clear when I met a woman that I had sexual and/or romantic interest. Hiding that (out of fear of rejection, shame, or niceness) was one of my biggest chains.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:20 PM
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The first step to getting a wife is getting a girlfriend. The first step to getting a girlfriend is being attractive to women. That's what the red pill teaches. How to attract women. You can use it to "spin plates" or you can use it to get a wife. You don't need TRP to actually learn to be a good long term partner. Women are quite sincere about what they want as long as you understand it like "What I want in someone I already am attracted enough to".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:10 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:06 PM
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I was a kissless virgin that saw everyone around me in relationships, and making out, and having sex. I knew I was broken. It wasn't that I was bad at the game, I couldn't even play it at all. It was like my peers talked in a language I didn't understand. I had the certainty that something essential about me was irreparably broken. That I wasn't good enough. I did all the things I thought I had to do. I was funny, I was supportive, I was kind. I had a lot of friends -women- that called me amazin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:03 PM
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But that's a mischaracterization of what I said, and what the guy you were talking to said. It's not going from "it's my fault" to "it's not my fault". It's going from "it's my fault for some moral failing essential lack of worth" to "it's my fault because I lack the skills and the looks". Not gonna say the guy you're talking to isn't coping and trying to excuse himself, but... basically the change is positive. In fact, your second point, "that doesn't lead to anything good", applies to the "bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:01 PM
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THANK YOU.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:55 PM
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I am surprised at someone being so wrong in so little text. Sigh. Okay, I'll address it: You’ve been told by the redpill that’s it’s not your personality, it’s your looks/height/status that woman go for because they are shallow etc No. "Personality" is important. Personality includes things like charisma, assertiveness, confidence and competence, all critically important traits when trying to be attractive. What doesn't impact attractiveness is being kind, supportive, respectful, dedicated, list…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:54 PM
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It's much less painful to understand you don't get dates because you don't look or act one way than to think you're alone because you're broken and morally ruined. I don't see how this can be complicated to understand. Being rejected by beings that see the "true soul" hits harder than being rejected by horny shallow people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:48 PM
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That's the creepy bit. That no matter how much I show it, you seem intellectually incapable of distinguishing between feeling an impulse and acting on it. THAT is concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:47 PM
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I've seen my brother, who was back then an overweight jobless bum, who is rather short (5'5?), date with fucking international models, just off his personal charisma and assertiveness. I myself have been with women orders of magnitude better looking than me, just off a lot of practice and being funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:46 PM
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So, let me get this straight: You first dated based on who was most attractive to you, got severely burned, and learned to go for the person that, being less attractive, had the better long term qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:43 PM
3

You can offset below par looks with suprememacy in other attributes. Yes, there's a looks threshold below which nothing can be done, but it's a threshold 99% of men can get through.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:40 PM
2

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:34 PM
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You're not really catching it. Confidence and charisma create attraction. They don't come "after" it. They are a part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:14 PM
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I wasn't better looking at 23 (when I was having plenty of success) than at 20 (when I was a kissless virgin). Charisma and confidence got me there, not looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:12 PM
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Alternative take: Both women and overwhelmingly media insist on messages like "Women are attracted to kindness" or "If she doesn't like you you're not as nice as you think". There's a lot of messaging that conveys, directly or indirectly, that kindness, respect, support, ETC either create attraction or are needed for it to happen. There is still today enormous pushback for that notion, even in this sub. So let's drop the gaslighting about "well it was always said and it's obvious", because there…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:08 PM
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No. It's not the opposite. It's just different areas, unless you really want to nitpick. Women are attracted to looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. Women say they want (and they do want, but only in someone they're already attracted to) kindness, respect, dedication, emotional openness (with a lot of clauses), support, stability...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:52 PM
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None of these are groundbreaking revelations that us BluePill normies don't know. There's a disagreement on the focus. It's not that "blue pillers" deny the importance of physical attraction, but their insistence in the lie that attributes that make you a more desirable long term partner make you more attractive. Things like kindness, respect, dedication, emotional availability, energy and time investment. All those are very important traits only once attraction exists. So telling someone strugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:43 PM
2

Thank you for your contribution in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:35 PM
4

My moral code is that grown adults shouldn't find youth young enough to be their kids attractive. Notice how utterly moronic that mentality is. "If this situation angers you, you're morally evil regardless of whether you act on it or not"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:34 PM
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Yeah no, that's objectively wrong. You can consent to something you don't want. You can still harm someone and be enormously immoral with full consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:31 PM
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"I really hate my boss" "So you intend to kill him?" You're... weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:30 PM
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That person doesn't want an equal partner. They want someone they can have a power imbalance with. I know not everyone is... past this phase, so I will ask. Do you understand that you can feel something (Being attracted to someone younger) and not want to do it, right? Like, this is a distinction that most people past the age of 7 or 8 have mastered. And yet here you are, equating the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:28 PM
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See, this is part of the moral high horse that frustrates the general population. "Oh no, you're morally ruined for being attracted to someone attractive". It's the second version of the fucking original sin. Of fucking course if you see someone as a child and raise them, you're not going to feel attraction towards them. But notice the disgusting goalpost shifting: "I am not sexually aroused by people I've seen growing, and you're morally evil because you say you can be attracted to someone you …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:26 PM
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Essential and celebrated isn't the same. OP looked at a universal problem that affects everyone, ignored the vast majority of the male population, and made it about a tiny subsection of the entire problem. Motherhood is important. So is water piping maintenance. So is truck driving. All of them much more than playing soccer good or playing a role in a Marvel movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:41 AM
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And I'm calling out OP's hypocrisy and selective blindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:29 AM
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The whole thing irks me. Being a mother isn't particularly celebrated, but neither is the work of 99.999% of the people on earth. It screams entitlement when you only see the top 0.001%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:11 AM
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First, nobody in history has been remembered for being a mother. Following a traditional feminine role leaves you as a side character, you are not celebrated as men are. I like this. I know I'm touching a tangential topic but, it's an important one. When women air their gender grievances, they don't compare themselves to men. They compare themselves to the men they see. Which is a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction. Same happened with the whole man vs bear thing. I'll use an example. To post this …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:07 AM
0

She’s basically just telling women what red pillers tell men. Not really, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:30 PM
5

It seems extremely common sense to go where women are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:36 PM
3

First: Nice is a bad trait Second: Goodness or kindness isn't a factor in women's attraction. Third: That doesn't mean that women want to be treated poorly or that they don't want a good man. They just aren't attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:36 PM
2

Nice flex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:04 AM
5

95% of the hobbies are completely okay for 95% of men. Very few people would take issue with tennis. Or diving. Or old music. Or... Women can do pretty much everything without being judged by any significant amount of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:22 PM
3

There seems to be consensus among men online that "Horse girls" are a red flag to be avoided. Similarly blue hair, nose rings, etc. Basically women can't do anything without being judged. There's like a handful of warning signs, nowhere near consensus, and certainly not "anything".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:16 PM
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Yeah, no, fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:32 AM
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I have no idea about punching down, and I don't even know who the guy is. I just know there's one mod that just deletes shit he doesn't like even if it's okay with the rules. The exception, not the rule, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:34 AM
1

I am trying to make the point that your behavior is shallow and transactional and we see through that. As opposed to the early stages in dating apps and clubs, you mean? How are those any less transactional or shallow? Your persistence in approaching complete strangers to fuck you until you get a yes is beyond strange. Again, how are dating apps or clubs any different? When you just keep asking any random woman to go out with you, it makes us feel like you just see us walking sex objects and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:06 PM
1

Shaming inappropriate social behavior is how we change social norms over time. Throwing a tantrum because someone strikes up a conversation isn't really something that will ever catch on, fortunately. The problem is men like you just approach anyone with a vagina for one hundred times until one person says yes. Not really a problem, as one does say yes. We know you are basically playing the same numbers game and using the same techniques as cold calling telemarketers. Indeed. As are those in clu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:52 PM
2

About seven years ago, both 25ish, both out of college
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:39 PM
1

You also called my opinion shitty simply because you don't like it. It's shitty because it doesn't work. I think strangers shouldn't randomly approach women at inappropriate settings like the grocery store I know. You've already said it. Again, you have a grossly aggrandized idea of how much your opinion matters or should matter. Since you clearly don't care what a woman might want and your overdriving need to approach is more important than anything the woman might be doing in that moment, yes …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:11 PM
2

I would never want to be approached by a man in a setting that wasn't explicitly social, especially a busy stressful environment like an airport. Okay, then the opinion you have about that doesn't really matter to me. Glad it worked for you but I think your approach is shitty. "I don't like it so it's shitty" Peak entitlement. If you had tried to approach me I would have shamed you and cursed you out and there are a lot of women like me. There aren't too many completely screeching bitter entitle…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:46 PM
3

There are a number of very convenient lies society tells men about dating dynamics. As long as those lies are being pushed; things like the red pill will thrive, even if they also push some shitty stuff. If society was sincere about how women's attraction works and stopped the pedestalization and deliberate obfuscation, the red pill would lose its core engine and fall flat on the face. But alas, that doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:54 AM
1

Gotta say, nitpicky, but other than one weird guy here that has his head up his own ass, the mods of PPD are the chillest in the entirety of reddit and if you're not a fucking asshat you can say pretty much everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:39 AM
3

"How can I afford a car" "Just walk" ...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:36 AM
4

Lots of really dumb people here insist that "women aren't a monolith" Today I shall join them. when you start talking to a woman, say, sitting by you on the plane, or at the beach, or in the gym, or... You should not give a fuck about the opinion of feminist TikTok content creator #3835 insisting it's "creepy" or "women just want to be left alone". You only care if the woman you're talking to is interested enough in you or not, and how to get her interested enough. And if she considers you a cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:28 AM
2

yeah that's a shitty mentality. Dating apps and clubs are the places where you're least likely to get any interest. I've had more successes in fucking airports than in clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:20 AM
3

I quite literally met my wife after giving her my number during a shared car ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:19 AM
34

"How about taxpayer funded..." No.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:51 PM
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It's now "who is it on". In a society where casual sex is condemned, having sex is conditioned to having a public, committed, exclusive relationship. Which men that men, while still wanting casual sex, don't go after women they'd not be OK with committing to. Which means women don't get loads of attention and validation from men out of their league. Which means entitlement goes down a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:58 AM
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Yes. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:34 AM
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Any culture where casual sex is at the very least not encouraged will have much healthier dating dynamics. Leads to considerably less entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:59 PM
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but general RP advice seems to be focused on individual improvement or avoidance, not the root of the issue. Because RP is about how to succeed with the current circumstances. I know RP and passport-bros have a decent amount of overlap, Because "going where women are better" is a way to succeed with the current circumstances. What is the ideal world for a RedPiller? The red pill isn't a political movement. It's not even a sociological one. It's just some knowledge. Different people will tell you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:29 PM
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You cannot "remove the misogyny" in a society where something being true doesn't stop it from being considered bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 08:29 AM
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I'm not offended by it. It's cringy, and it's used wrong. "Vehicles have four wheels and a gearbox" has the same issue. As for the red pilled part, it's in line with everything else red pill. I like women. The red pill exists to help men get closer to women, and understand them better. That means dropping the "women are perfect angels that only feel aroused by virtue and respect", but also avoiding demonization. Women are roughly as morally shitty as men are. That's bad enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:02 AM
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I'll correct it: A minority of women say what works to attract an overwhelming majority of women. An overwhelming majority of women give advice that doesn't work. And even in this conversation you keep trying to muddy the waters. I am not saying women don't WANT a sweet sensitive man. I am saying they are not attracted to a man because he's sweet and sensitive. But because he's good looking, charismatic, confident, assertive and competent. I'll throw a question your way: What percentage of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:12 PM
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I dismiss the opinions that go against the actions of the people stating said opinions. Men acknowledge we are attracted by curves, low-ish body fat ratio, youth, hips, boobs, good skin. If you look at what men pay to see, it is curves, youth, low-ish body fat ration, hips, boobs, good skin. What women consume, and what they go for is looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness and competence. So those that say women are attracted to kindness, respect, "a good person", listening to her, emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:02 PM
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You can safely dismiss the opinion of anyone that has a good reason to lie. This is a well known fact in market research. There's bias and underdeclaring. Women, generally speaking, will tell you what they want in men they are already attracted to when asked "what are you attracted to". As a byproduct, their advice is how to be a great partner to someone already attracted to you. Not how to get that attraction in the first place. There will be only a few women that say "To attract someone like m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:54 PM
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Now please look at my response and tell me where did I mention anything about women's feelings. You're throwing out memorized responses to nonexistent arguments. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:47 PM
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You got it backwards. If you pretend to only want to be a friend, you will not create any attraction unless you're extremely, extremely good looking. Easiest thing is to show your sexual interest early.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:26 PM
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First, the constant use of "females" is both inaccurate and cringy. You're talking about women, not mares, lionesses, cows or ewes. Second, you're wrong in the one sidedness of it. The less civilized a person is, the more they will let their base attraction decide who they go for. This applies to both women that fuck "bad boys" and men that chase worthless but good looking women We all like attractiveness. How much of other important traits we're willing to sacrifice in order to maximize that on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:22 PM
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It's not devaluing women's opinions. It's devaluing (to its correct value) women's advice on something they have many reasons to lie about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:15 PM
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I'm married and can vouch for a lot of pick up artist knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:08 PM
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We compare all the time. Analogies don't say "A resembles B" Stop taking everything personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:06 PM
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Because you're not unlike me before I made a considerable effort to fight that idea that anything sexual is "unwelcome" and "disrespectful". And it's what got me from "a great friend" and "I could never see you like that" to a considerable degree of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:26 AM
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Looks, confidence, charisma, assertiveness, competence. You need four of those at an acceptable level, three at a very high one, or (sometimes) two at a supreme point. You have a part of charisma (humor). Improvable looks, low confidence, low assertiveness, no idea about competence. You have no edge. You're big, funny, and kind. Very close to what you need, but your insistence on being too respectful and never crossing a line makes you the kind of loveable goofball that will not get laid. You ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:42 AM
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Do you not think a man can defend your interests? You said so yourself. The interests are reflective of the population. Not the genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 05:21 PM
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And do you feel this extends to all fields? Should the taxpayers (the government) keep pouring resources until half the nurses are male? Should companies be pushed to modify their hiring practices until all fields are 50/50?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 03:45 PM
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I'm fine with that. The follow up question is, "Should the government create legislation to offset the difference in percentages in an industry/position that happen due personal preference or should it just address those based on discrimination?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 03:23 PM
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Fair. Do you agree, however, that those things factor into personal preferences? As in, "there are very few male nurses because they choose not to go that path"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 02:32 PM
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Do you truly believe that the only cause for, say, parliament not being 50/50 is unavoidably inequality of opportunities?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 01:26 PM
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