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Look, I’ll meet you halfway. In both cases, it’s socially unacceptable. People will see you as a sucker if you “apply the pressure” to a woman who isn’t matching your energy, and people will see you co-signing bad behavior when you date men who are assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:39 PM
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No, men do not largely entertain “hard to get” anymore. If you don’t reciprocate the energy they will just leave you alone, thankfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:34 AM
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Men are less susceptible than women. It is mainly men that report increased levels of engagement from their romantic interests when they operate in that manipulative way. Everytime there’s something negative that applies mainly to women, it suddenly becomes “people”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:31 PM
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Women are more susceptible to it, for a variety of reasons. Namely, the need for most women to have a “dominant” and “confident” man, which can quickly present in more malevolent ways. Do they “like” it? No. But honestly what does it matter functionally, if they stay and endure it? They could be with someone who doesn’t do that, but they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:26 PM
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Are you propositioning me? (I know it was just a typo lol). I agree, that men can have deeply platonic relationships, but that comes with luck. They usually form in childhood and have to survive the multiple different phases of life. Friendships formed in adulthood are usually more surface level and form around interests or jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:09 PM
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Lmao, the amount of stories I heard of dudes who slept with a girl, discarded her, and then had to deal with the blowback (no pun intended) when she realizes that he used her. Those women definitely wanted them, but they didn’t like the eventual outcome (a one night stand with a guy who doesn’t care about your sexual satisfaction). And that’s besides my point that the manospherian shit happens in real life. It’s not fanfiction. It mostly happens in the younger crowds though, which are the crowds…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 PM
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Intersexual dynamics as stated by the previous poster. That’s what’s being discussed. Not what benefits or works the best for them personally. Plenty of red pillers on this subreddit are guilty of that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:02 PM
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This is just a product of societal decline
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:46 AM
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The shit I saw in undergrad heavily mirrored manospherian propaganda. The men I was close with, who often times adopted a gamified view of women and sex, also had women coming to their dorms and apartments all the time. I knew a guy, a student athlete, who bragged about being able to “pick whichever hoe he wanted” at parties after games. I was in a frat, and the shit I saw was crazy. Guys with horrible reputations and STD allegations who always seemed to bring a girl home after parties just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:21 AM
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Plenty of women everyday have casual sex! This past weekend I guarantee you lots of women got in bed with men they’ve only known for a short amount of time! It happens! Male sexuality isn’t inherently evil
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:10 AM
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Why are you arguing for your benefits rather than for what you think best represents reality? It’s not like this subreddit has any real world implications. Major legislation isn’t being written based on the outcome of arguments on this sub. Thanks for admitting you engage in discussions from a fundamentally bad faith stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:09 AM
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Yes average people get in relationships all the time. But for men who are focused on having casual encounters, that’s reserved for only the most attractive men, unless they want to be weirdos who hang around drunk women all day long. Why do you fight so hard to argue against that? When the women on this very sub say their looks requirement for casual sex is higher than for a relationship? A relationship requires more than just looks, and thusly looks take less of a center stage. You’re talking p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:03 AM
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It’s always so funny seeing you guys get on your bully pulpit about this shit because how a man views sex is in no way a determinant of whether or not he’ll be sexually successful. If he perfectly articulated himself in the exact, morally righteous, way you wanted him to it wouldn’t change a thing about his chances with women. It’s red herring you guys use to distract from the conversation. What he said is fundamentally true. Men who have low body counts, who aren’t religious or asexual, have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:56 AM
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Plenty of women have casual sex, and whether delusional or not, do not see themselves as being “used” during the period where they engage in it. It’s an entirely different question of whether the men who they’re doing it adopt a gamified “k/d ratio” outlook on it. Like you’re very much in the minority of women who are openly against casual sex. I think most women are very selective with who they have it with, but they are not openly against it or see it as a negative thing. Please don’t act like…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:50 AM
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I was unaware we’re talking about men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:49 AM
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You can have a laissez-faire approach to dating, that preserves women’s autonomy and freedom of choice, whilst providing fertile economic and social ground for men to put their best foot forward. We currently do not have this fertile ground, evidenced by the rise in loneliness, online dating, commodified/gamified third places, and economic hardship. This is why I always laughed at young alt-right guys growing up, because they were literally shooting themselves in the foot. They were swindled by …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:17 PM
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Some women literally get off to dominating and bossing “weak” men around. It’s entirely dependent on the woman. What matters most is that you’re attractive to her, and click with her personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:48 AM
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Totally man, that entertainment totally makes up for my rent doubling in 2 years/s. K-shaped economy, if you were doing good before, things are great and even amazing. If you were already struggling before you’re on the verge of drowning now. C’est la vie
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:58 PM
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Lol, your argument against societal decline is that entertainment is cheaper than it’s ever been. Cheap, fleeting entertainment that’s consumed and discarded like nothing. And wow! We have computers and Wikipedia! Jake Paul boxing matches! That will totally make me feel better about the fact I don’t have the money to pay to fix my rotting teeth/s. And the rise in social media has made us more lonely. You should know that. God you sound like such a boomer. Nobody who’s grown up with these things …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:39 PM
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Best you can do is reject this. Find a woman who isn’t an airhead and doesn’t expect cartoonish displays in order to be attracted to you. I get it, I was in that mindset for a while as well. That’s one of the benefits of dating more socially concious and liberal women. They give a lot more leeway in emotional displays.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:31 PM
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Social isolation comes from a confluence of many things. To reduce it to just a “choice” ignores many things like bullying, trauma, lack of opportunity, alienation, poverty etc. You should engage in this conversation with more of an open mind to these realities
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:27 PM
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Cite your studies, that’s interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:25 PM
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Thanks for the sensible response. And absolutely, incels and isolated men have had their PR destroyed for years now due to the crazy subreddits and forums they hang out in. But there are more than the psychos we see online. People are legitimately struggling and this is one theatre of the struggle. Women are struggling more than ever as well. It’s unfortunate that only a small section of society can look past all the partisan noise and online extremism to see this is a legitimate problem that st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:22 PM
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Get in line buddy, so am I
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:17 PM
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Yes societal and economic decline. The US is losing its standing globally, and there are economic ramifications from that. We’ve seen the mass layoffs, tepid job growth, predatory price gouging etc. Do you disagree? It would make sense then that that would also damage young men’s dating prospects. Women also report feeling more lonely than they ever have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:16 PM
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I’m more satisfied romantically and sexually than you will ever be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:43 AM
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What the hell do you mean this isn’t an issue for the left? Who are you to decide that? Plenty of YouTubers have provided left wing analysis of the “male loneliness epidemic” and their own takes on it. A lot of it is nuanced and considerate of multivariate causes. Again, who the hell are you to say that? What does that even mean? What’s a “left” issue and a “right” issue anyways? This is the sort of tribalistic partisan nonsense that has ruined so much about this country. Young men’s dating stru…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:29 AM
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Leftists shouldn’t adopt a materialist view of this problem, and should instead be reactionaries? They should treat this problem the same way Fox News treats income inequality? That’ll surely fix things. Great (stupid) idea! And congrats you quoted me. Care to copy the entirety of it? “Because that’s not even my point.” They do not have to be exactly the same in this case, to view it through a materialist lens. It would do good for any leftist to view this through a materialist lens because that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:46 AM
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Yes they should, a materialist analysis of such a major cultural/social issue like this is absolutely necessary. Do you believe in anything? Do you have any sort of ideological consistency?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:30 AM
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Who cares no women are going to willingly spend non-sexual time with them without getting something from it anyways. Better that than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:29 AM
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Of course, I put in the work. I learned through trial, and a lot of error. This post certainly isn’t an endorsement of men just giving up and doing nothing to improve themselves. I recommend men improve their looks as much as they possibly can first, and then learn social skills through trial and error. I met plenty of women through online dating, one of them is a dear friend of mine now. That doesn’t change the fact that structural issues are a major driver of young men’s difficulties in dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:25 AM
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What are you even talking about. They don’t have to be the exact same because that’s not even my point. My point is that leftists that will invoke structural issues to explain a wide host of problems refuse to do so in this particular case. When doing so could potentially help with finding a solution for it (I.E creating a society that is less gamified/commodified, more socially connected/wordly).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:20 AM
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Yes, which is why it’s such a notable contradiction to me. They call upon, tertiary, and even quaternary order effects to explain things like urban crime, or third world poverty (which I have no problem with). But they adopt the same Fox News braindead individualism for this topic and this topic alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:03 AM
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No, the world does not work in that baby-brained childish way. Some are simply unfortunate, due to problems beyond themselves. You have some growing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:57 AM
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LMAOOOO, I’m married, I’ve had multiple long term relationships, and I know I’m more socially well-adjusted and pleasant to be around than you. I have friends and family that love me, unlike you. Hilarious. Thanks for the laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:50 AM
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When did I explicitly say women are sharing men? I said attractive men have it much easier than they ever had, but I did not say they are fucking harems of women and whatever pornified nonsense you have in your sick head. Attractive men have it much EASIER than they ever had. That does not mean they are necessarily fucking all the women. Will you address my points now?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:37 AM
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I can tell you didn’t read my post, which makes sense. Everybody has the attention span of guppies nowadays. But I’ll make it easy for you. “This isn’t due to some insidious aspect of women’s nature. Women are simply living their lives, having experiences for good or bad, and aren’t consciously leading their lives in any of the ways traditional incel fan-fiction likes to portray it.” Read that? I never blamed women. I never said it’s their fault or that they should fuck these men. But these men …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:32 AM
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You realize how laughable it is to posit the 37% percent of respondents were all dating multiple women? What made you come to that conclusion? My conclusion takes thing at face value. 63% of young men are single, 34% of young women are single. Very easy conclusion to come to from that. Dating is materially harder for men. I added online dating being the primary form of dating, and the superficial nature of it to bolster my claim. You add in a highly improbable make-believe scenario where all 37%…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:28 AM
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So you made up fanfiction in your head. None of what you said actually critiqued the methodology or highlighted errors or flaws in their calculations. “If” means nothing to me. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:23 AM
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“Just pick yourself by your bootstraps” Sure thing boomer. Address what I said and stop it with the masturbatory self help nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:15 AM
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Back up your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:16 AM
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63% of young men reported being single in 2023. Have you been living under a rock? Online dating is heavily skewed towards *attractive men*. Draw the connections. Do BPers get off on living in a fantasy realm?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:11 AM
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I absolutely agree. Plenty of young men with right wing sympathies are literally shooting themselves in the foot in so many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:54 AM
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He probably has male-centric win conditions. I.E a one night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:41 PM
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I wouldn’t trust data from a societally damaging, predatory industry. Just saying
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:25 PM
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Aww is someone hurt:)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:21 PM
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I much prefer how I met my wife. Where we went on chill low stakes dates, gradually upping it to stuff like hiking/camping trips, kayaking, fine dining, etc. Definitely would not lead with that. That’s how you go broke in a recession economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:26 PM
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Nothing makes the heart flutter like a woman who treats dating like a business negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:51 PM
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Correlation≠Causation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:02 AM
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Well first you’d have to fund the productive parts of society. Too bad most of the money is in shitcoins, dubious startups and fraudulent tech companies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:49 PM
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A responsible, sensibly run government that utilizes tax dollars to their maximum effectiveness. I know you’ve probably never experienced that before, but it exists and a better world is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:03 PM
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Equity is “equality of outcomes” but insofar providing necessary resources to give all an equal shot. For example: Equity doesn’t mean that a homeless crackhead will be given disproportionately more resources than a functional white collar worker in order to affect an “equal outcome”. That’s wasteful and ineffective StateKraft. But the homeless crackhead will be given an opportunity to rehab from drugs, be given appropriate housing, and a shot to get their life on track.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:31 PM
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It’s safe to assume if you’re a young man early into your career, that gold diggers should be the least of your worries. That’s who I’m talking about anyways. Of course the calculus changes for an older man, especially if he’s dating a younger woman, but that’s not of my concern, and a relatively rare occurrence anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:53 PM
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The fact she was willing to have sex with you already means you pass a baseline level of attractiveness for her. Her satisfaction at that point is mainly dependent on your level of effort, experience and acumen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:44 PM
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Honestly I agree, because she’s likely gotten all of the adventurism and eye-wander out of her system. Especially so if you consistently get the job done for her. It’s the women who never got to be whores who’ll want a “new experience” just for the novelty of it, because they don’t know most men out here are pretty bad at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:39 PM
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This is why men need to have an abundance of experiences before finding a long-term partner. Because I promise you, it stops mattering once you have. Being on the other side as the hookup guy, you experience the mundanity of casual sex. The multitude of reasons a woman might sleep with you, that have nothing to do with you truly, and everything to do with how she’s feeling in that exact moment. Sometimes it’s as simple as being in the right place at the right time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:50 PM
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They want the most “reward” for the least amount of effort
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:18 AM
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How does a greedy company choosing profit over safety tie in with most men supposedly being bad partners
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:14 AM
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They resent the fact they have to do “more” (thusly making it conditional in their minds) in order to attract, court and then eventually be intimate. Many women, because they really do like the guy and are excited about him, make the lead up to sex a really big deal, which these guys see as a hassle. They want to be seen purely as a sexual being, a Casanova, a womanizer, a Chad. They want the sort of experience. That’s what makes or breaks their self esteem. Again, this is due to them not having…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:07 AM
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Debasing oneself is also an indication of low self worth and no boundaries. Why would you expect that behavior from women who have adequate amounts of self respect, operate in a self-interest manner, and know what they want? Y’know, the type of women that make mature, functional life partners? You seem to think there’s a level of hotness that will shut off the rational parts of a woman’s brain, woman-to-woman. I think you’re overselling that. Most women who would act like this, or acted like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:56 AM
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Yes he can and should. But “becoming attractive” helps to mitigate murky situations where you don’t know if you inspire visceral attraction in her, or attraction that requires more nurturing. The goal of these men is to inspire visceral attraction. They like the idea of a woman seeing them as a sexual object, as a sexual being, rather than for qualities unrelated to sex. It affirms their own feelings of self-worth. It’s usually men who are sexually inexperienced, or late bloomers who faced consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:38 AM
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You can be an absolute bore but if you’re hot someone will have fun with you. You can be incredibly interesting but if you’re hard to look at nobody will have fun with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:25 AM
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No, I’d think all those drivers need to go have their licenses reevaluated. If you’re consistently getting into accidents it’s not just a matter of bad luck at that point. Women have the luxury of dating being relatively easy and frictionless so there’s no impetus to think critically about different choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:19 AM
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I guess shame on us for thinking relationships were about loving the person rather than fulfilling a bucket list of sex positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:45 PM
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In the sea of childish shit RP guys try and argue, this is definitely up there. Why would you care what sexual escapades she was engaging in before you? Is the flavor and variety of bedroom activities to your liking right now? Does she satisfy you presently? That’s a legitimate basis for a workable conversation with your partner. Not some past shit that happened before you even knew she existed. God imagine how annoying it is to say no to something and get “but you did it with Joe!” as a respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:24 PM
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I think this is context-dependent. If you polled men and asked them if a husband should do more housework, you’d get a predictable answer. If you asked equal housework, or more under specific circumstances (pregnant/sick wife, working wife and sahd), that’d be more interesting. Some studies show that men’s share is increasing, and I’m sure that’ll accelerate with future generations who grow up in a society that encourages egalitarianism. And as a necessity since women increasingly work, and occa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:50 PM
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Cmon, we’re not all that bad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:04 AM
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Increasingly common with younger generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:15 PM
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It’s the politics of grievance. I can do, say, or think whatever I want, because people in my group were horrible oppressed and mistreated in the past. Even if my group has fully emancipated themselves from these past horrors, sometimes generations before myself, I can invoke those horrors to be as rude, nasty and selfish as I want. Don’t like it? That means you want to subject me to those same horrors that were done before. It allows for some of the most cynical and nihilistic political logic. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:12 PM
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“Men” haven’t written off fat women and single mothers, they get love too. The beauty standards for women are far more lax than they are for men. Men have to fit a narrow ideal in order to get a decent amount of attention. Otherwise they have to hope and pray they get lucky enough to find a woman whose niche they fit. And in the interim period they get little to no attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:07 PM
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What is your point exactly, that people say mean things to women sometimes? Women don’t have 100% positive experiences online all the time? The average woman doesn’t even have to worry about this from strangers, since they don’t have large followings. “Humbling” and shaming behavior is a lot more likely from close family members. The concept of someone trying to humble you, as if they see you as Queen Nefer-fucking-titi and want to knock you down a peg is also hilariously narcissistic and neurot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:28 PM
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And then they try to spin that into all men trying to “humble” them lol. Like girl you are not a global celeb most people do not care like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:22 PM
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Why focus on the “humbling” comments when there are men who show you love? Narcissism got yall expecting the entire world to worship the ground you walk on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:20 PM
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Lol cmon. It’s well known people focus on the negative far more than they do the positive. For every comment being rude and antisocial, there are tons of comment showing love
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:17 PM
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Nope, never
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:51 AM
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Of course, and any decent man will handle this contradiction with the grace and understanding it requires. Doesn’t mean we have to like it though😓
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:09 PM
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Well don’t try and make the rest of us feel like assholes for expecting their partners to do more than just exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:26 PM
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We get it, all men in Afghanistan are horrible misogynistic monsters that need to be put in their place. Perhaps another invasion is in order, to protect women of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:23 PM
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Women live in a quantum superposition between being just like men with no differences, and wanting their status as women acknowledged, with men treating them delicately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:21 PM
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Yea, it’s not like there are female janitors, agricultural and slaughterhouse workers etc. Women never work those jobs, particularly lower class/minority women. Nope never seen it, all women just work as realtors and HR reps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:18 PM
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You can feel love without sex, or having impaired sexual function
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:36 PM
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This post makes a lot of sense, and is probably the most grounded and realistic portrayal of how this shit works. Definitely better than the pornified “alpha fucks beta bucks” narrative. I just can’t shake the feeling that the “phases” that “coincide” with meeting a hot guy aren’t entirely entropic and random. There are cases, primarily with women with zero self worth, where they will put a hot guy on a pedestal and debase themselves for him, simply because he’s hot, or rich, or popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:49 PM
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BC/SSRIs do not make you “less able to feel love”. Most of the rest of what you said is true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:36 PM
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That’s a dumb question lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:33 PM
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The difficulty is directly related to how close your genetics are to the male beauty standard. Has nothing to do with any inherent skill, or having a “good personality”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:32 PM
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Yea if you’re married or in a serious relationship you have zero reason to engage with redpill/blackpill media. The dumbest shit ever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:29 PM
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You insinuated he’s below average and can’t compete, yet he’s married and seemingly has had no problems attracting women. Keep a straight story buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:26 PM
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Ditto to this. Real life experiences have informed every post I’ve ever made on this topic. The shit I saw in Greek life during undergrad was insane. Knew a dude that had literally no personality and talked in super slow motion, but he looked great and was tall so he had zero problems. Peak himbofication. Shit made redpill and blackpill look like child’s play. Dudes who did the most antisocial shit also slept with the most women. Dudes who treated the girls like pure sex objects to their face an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:25 PM
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Sounds like you have low standards
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:17 PM
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A lot of the benefits only come with maturity and long term thinking, something most young men don’t have. They just want to get laid oftentimes, so a FWB setup is ideal for them. They don’t want to do the work or have relationship responsibilities at like 20 years old. Hence the jealousy and resentment towards the small percentage of men women are willing to have that dynamic with. Or jealousy towards women, cause you can always blame women for just living their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:32 PM
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I was making fun of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:41 PM
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No, the effectiveness of your rhetoric. In this case, poorly effective, showcasing a complete lack of understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:25 PM
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Lol, my point being I doubt any long term relationship I’ve been in would’ve lasted if I thought like that. Don’t justify it and normalize it. That’s not okay. Men or women shouldn’t be expected to tolerate that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:01 PM
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Yes, and I had positive figures growing up who were calm and understanding. I would be horrified to respond like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:54 PM
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No my assumption was based on your post lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:35 PM
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Any man who reacts that way to a woman saying that would rightly be dragged and criticized by internet netizens if that ever came out. Tons of “you should break up with him he sounds horrible” comments for sure. Nobody should react the way you showed in your example. Therapy, CBT, or whatever should be in order. Horrible example and honestly verging on verbally abusive. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:34 PM
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Notice how money isn’t in the equation here? Privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:37 PM
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Anytime someone starts a comment with “so” you just know they haven’t comprehended a single thing you said, and are just talking at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:00 PM
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Insane levels of neuroticism in this example. Exhaustingly anxious and negative thinking on the right side’s part. I doubt many women would tolerate that sort of thinking from their partners on a consistent basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:59 AM
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You’re short and not good looking, you’ll likely have to get a high status, good paying job to be successful with women. There is a chance you could get lucky and find a good woman who “wants you for you”, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Use that as motivation, a fire under your ass, to do the best you can and succeed in your studies. You have hangups over sexual history. I suggest, in due time, getting necessary sexual experience to help you get over that hangup. Because if you don’t, you might turn …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:51 AM
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I said I don’t think it should be a problem. If you look pretty normal but only wanna date ultra hot people that’s your prerogative. When women do it and get pumped and dumped or men do it and get radio silence that’s none of our problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:22 PM
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I rejected your initial premise wholesale, you accused me of invoking OkCupid stats, which I didn’t. Not need to create a “Motte and Bailey” since I’m not engaging you on a fictitious premise you created to begin with. Women literally can’t help it due to their biology, they generally have less testosterone and less libido. Yes, I said doubly so, considering that women find a much lower proportion of men attractive than vice versa. And yes, it doesn’t compute in my head. The initial scenario you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:12 PM
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I disagree, the hardest part, especially if you’ve never really had experience with women beforehand, is actually attracting them. Again, maybe it’s cuz I’m a well-rounded socially adjusted guy, but keeping a woman is a whole lot easier than attracting her in the first place. That’s where the majority of work comes for men imo. The bar is definitely “in hell” when it comes to romantic gestures, day-to-day relationship upkeep and generally keeping her happy. Getting over that initial hurdle is da…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:43 PM
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Sure, but you still need to meet the base superficial characteristics, regardless of anything. And for a lot of women, that’s a pretty high bar to reach, especially on dating apps, which are also the main form relationships start in big ol ‘26. If I was a mid-to-unattractive man dating right now I’d feel pretty hopeless lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:17 PM
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I’m not talking about OkCupid, that study’s older than the Code of Hammurabi. The very women on this sub agree that they find most men unattractive, and I don’t blame them! You cant find most men unattractive and also claim you’re not shallow, that’s a contradiction that just doesn’t compute in my head. Everyone is shallow to some extent, and women definitely can’t help it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:14 PM
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Maybe I’m just a cynic. I was most successful dating when I had visible abs and a chiseled jawline. Coincidentally that period is when I met my wife as well, but I’m a pretty good guy so she continues to tolerate me in my current dad bod form.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:05 PM
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Oftentime those women dating obese men are obese themselves lol. I don’t necessarily agree with the “looksmatch” statement because women can punch above their weight in terms of the attractiveness of their partner all the time, and it’s a cardinal sin to tell those women to do otherwise, or want otherwise. I think men should have the freedom to feel that way as well, no matter how deluded that might be. I agree most people are a mixture. I always roll my eyes when I see someone try and portray t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:04 PM
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Most people are shallow, doubly so for the gender that only finds a small portion of men attractive. Coming from the gender that complains about “giving ugly men a chance”. It’s entirely unrealistic and frankly ridiculous to try and present that one-sided “I only date for personality” schtick. Date a burn victim and then we can have a real talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:50 PM
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Gen Z is way more online than previous generations. They’ve grown up, especially those who come of age during COVID, in a terminally online and socially isolated society for the large part. We can agree to disagree though. I choose to believe these kids are more curious and more online than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:40 PM
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An important part of “chemistry” is base physical attraction. We both know that. For some women that means a pretty face, for other big muscles and a tall frame, for other women it’s a combination of all of that and then some. No amount of confidence in the world can manufacture “chemistry” without first satisfying the base, superficial requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:36 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:33 PM
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Plenty of men who lost their jobs in 2008 experienced exactly this. There wasn’t a social crusade to defend those men and demonize the women that left them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:32 PM
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I mean coming from the gender that’s attracted to like 5% of men, you guys kinda already do that. Albeit it’s not “leaving” a partner, which is a horrible thing to do and an important distinction. But let’s not act like you guys don’t pick your partners for largely superficial reasons as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:30 PM
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Millions of people “pedant” on Reddit, TikTok, instagram, Facebook, twitter and YouTube daily. That’s not an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:42 PM
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You think that, but I think the average person can intuit the context behind where currently popular phrases come from. Maybe I’m optimistic about the curiosity of the average zoomer, but “mog”, “cortisol”, “maxxing” strike me as terms that only someone who’s spent too long on the internet would use. And with that comes going down various rabbit holes, granted, everyone spends too much time on the internet nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:10 PM
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It should go without saying that these weird, socially maladjusted, and antisocial terms originate and are primarily used in North America, a region of peak social alienation. I’m sure children and young adults in other countries are weird in their own ways, but this is definitely unique to the US and I hope it doesn’t get exported wide scale to other places.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:40 PM
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Your argument hinges on people not knowing the origin of these words. You think these kids are dumber than they actually are, they’re not. Kids can easily search up the origins of words and, in my experience growing up in the “age of information”, I did it all the time. These are not obscure terms. It is not arcane knowledge, a minimally curious kid can find out exactly what these terms mean and their origin quite easily. Doubly so for teens and young adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:31 PM
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Just be hot. If she finds you hot it’ll be a lot easier to manage these dynamics. If she finds you so-so it may or may not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:25 PM
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Men would just sleep with all of their options. In terms of sex and relationships, we’re talking about two fundamentally different architectures. Of course men think it’s easy, that’s their dream! However, I can’t see most women wanting the male experience instead. So when you complain understand the grass is not greener and you’re complaining to people who would take your place in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:06 PM
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You don’t get good girlfriend treatment from her either You’d be surprised how many silly women are out here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:08 PM
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I prefer to see women as fallible human beings. It makes perfect sense to sexualize yourself when appropriate (described as “convenient” in this post), and discourage sexual attention otherwise. Of course you’d want a hot guy to sexualize you if you’re attracted to him and want something with him. In any other case, sexual attention is unwanted and scary. I think that’s totally normal. Is it hypocritical? So what? The goal is to ensure you get what you want, and don’t get what you don’t want. Es…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 06:36 AM
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This rhetoric is from like 10 years. Men today (especially Gen Z) understand attractiveness trumps all. Not niceness, or moral behavior, or some other metaphysical qualities. Women are just as shallow as men, and thusly give the benefit of the doubt much more for attractive men, I.E pretty privilege. I do not advocate for women to date men they are not attracted to, but to understand the men they are attracted to usually have overlap with other women, thusly giving him more options. Whereas less…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:55 PM
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I’d rather some poor fella not end up with years of baggage and redirected resentment because a woman who is not attracted to him on a visceral level decided it’s time to get her act together. Sounds like a horrible situation for both. She deserves the men who she’s attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:49 PM
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If you’re in the top 10% in the UK you’re living comfortably there. Wealth is ultimately relative in local terms, not international. Sure life might be harder in the US, but you wouldn’t be top 10% in the US at that point. Plus, your colleagues live in the Bay Area, one of the most expensive parts of the US. Most people struggle financially there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:50 AM
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Because you’re his best shot at not dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:00 AM
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The second situation is such a rarity nowadays that it doesn’t warrant mentioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:05 PM
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The majority of relationships start online now. Still, the mainstream response to men complaining that they struggle dating is to insinuate it is personal flaws or failings that is the reason they struggle. Does that strike you as odd?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:32 PM
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Of course they’re not feelings, they didn’t know me personally enough to have concrete feelings until they actually met me and talked with me. But they knew of me, so already having social proof makes talking to a woman a whole lot easier. You’re already a member of the community, and don’t have the hindrance of being initially seen as a potential creep or weirdo. And with Gen Z being as socially isolated and atomized as we are, that’s very valuable. You’re essentially given the benefit of the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:29 AM
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Everytime a woman has known me before I knew her it was really easy to talk to her and eventually start something romantically. This is in the context of a college campus. Same goes for athletes, people popular on social media etc
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:50 AM
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Not a serious scenario to entertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:48 AM
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Beggars can’t be choosers. If men held women to the same behavioral standards women do to us, there’d be a whole lot more single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:27 PM
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I think humans aren’t 1 dimensional, and a woman can like a cold approach in one situation (cough when the guy is hot cough) and dislike it in other situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:10 PM
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A lot more societal pressure for a man dating to have his shit together, do you disagree? I think that that’s one of the core requirements to be a “man” in a patriarchal society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:10 PM
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Okay now incorporate working class and working poor fathers into your analysis, rather than being a stereotypical reddit woman and focusing on the most successful 20% of men only. Thoughtless of student loans, and other obligations that make this far from cut and dry. I think the government helping out with childcare would do a whole lot of good, but I think you guys just want to punish men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:02 PM
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This is the exact same argument white nationalist/alt right men make about single mothers. The politics of grievance and punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:00 PM
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A lot of these men can’t afford it though. Ostensibly left wing women become Thatcherite austerity nuts when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:57 PM
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Oh brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:46 PM
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Oh of course I forgot. Women aren’t expected to come onto the dating scene with their shit fully together. My mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:30 PM
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If possible Key words, not applicable to most men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:24 AM
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And a good part of those feelings about herself, stem from the quality of man she’s with. And the rest of that stuff is entirely arbitrary and subject to change, since most people aren’t principled paragons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:41 AM
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some men are getting a bad deal compared to others Not her problem
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:36 AM
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It means something, whether major or minor. Preferably as a man you don’t take any of it personally, but it all means something, and her actions are largely (barring logistics or extenuating circumstances) dependent on how she feels about you. And each woman is different, with some acting in the complete opposite that another woman would in the same situation. You will never be able to convince men otherwise, because to believe otherwise is to delude oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:34 AM
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You shouldn’t be dating at that point though. You’ve got bigger fish to fry. Or fully communicate the stressors so he knows what’s going on in your life and can form a full picture of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:26 AM
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Got a sensible chuckle outta me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:31 AM
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You wrote that whole novel, but it very much is her problem if her partner feels that way. That’s how relationships work. Same goes for if a woman felt that way. What the hell is with this trend where women assume zero responsibility in making their partner feel secure and loved? What type of backwards shit is that? She chose me, so what? Her work is done now? Makes so much sense why some of you are terminally single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:05 PM
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If a guy starts entertaining another woman after finding out you’re pregnant, leaving you in the dust, odds are there were plenty of signs beforehand he’d do you like that. Both sides hold a healthy amount of blame. You know who doesn’t? All the single guys out here getting radio silence, yet they’re still included in garden variety “men are trash/pigs” discourse. That’s my main problem, I’d be all for specifically shaming your (general) baby daddy, but what does the rizzless nerd got to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:44 PM
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Lol, so what’s with all the shaming rhetoric calling men who can only pay half of their rent “roomates.” Plenty of other examples of blatant economic shaming of men during a cost of living crisis. Women who make enough money to live comfortably in their own right aren’t any more likely to want to date a man who doesn’t make atleast the same as them. It’s deeper and far less principled than “trying to survive”. It’s often just a check on a wishlist of their dream man, and that’s okay, just accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:54 AM
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Yes, this argument is about women perpetuating the patriarchy. It never claims to be anything more than that. A brief view of my posting history will tell you that I am an opponent of the patriarchy. Personally, I believe feminism (and its hundreds of different iterations) does a bad job at its stated goal of “equality”. But I still much prefer it to chuddite misogynistic garbage. I think scialsm is a far more comprehensive approach to equality, rather than the most popular version of feminism (…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:45 AM
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Yup, that was exactly what I’m referencing. Single women buy homes at a higher rate than men, a truly enlightening stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:08 AM
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Gen Z women are so colorful in the language they use to shame men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 09:52 PM
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I too think oligarchy is a more apt term, but for the purposes of OPs post, I’ll keep saying patriarchy, as to have a common ground with the presumably feminist women I’m arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:48 PM
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Ok? Does wanting a dominant, competitive, “masculine” man contribute to the patriarchy or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:45 PM
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We have white nationalists placing Sonnerads front and center in political ads like the train has definitely gone off the rails
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:32 PM
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The original post was presumably about Gen Z men, and they are mostly progressive, as are Gen Z women. Yet, Gen Z women hold the contradictory dating positions that they do, the primary focus of OPs post. Let’s discuss that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:28 PM
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I’m a Gen Zer, I’m married, I have an advanced degree, I have friends and I’m going to a party tomorrow that a friend is hosting. I’m exactly what you’re describing, but I also see that things are absolutely fucked. And I can’t ignore it just because my life isn’t shit. You went through the Great Recession? Boohoo, the bubble we’re in right now is gonna make that look like child’s play.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:26 PM
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Lol and your just gender let it happen. How about instead of blaming individuals for their identities we focus on the structures in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:23 PM
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Most job seekers today understand intuitively that a masters degree is the new bachelors degree, much like consumers understand $50 is the new $20. Job seekers understand their best chance is to get a masters degree. The flippant way you said “they just won’t date them” as if they in of itself isn’t a reinforcement mechanism tells me you’re not capable of having a serious discussion on this topic. Men also intuitively understand that to get a woman they have to act “traditionally” I.E patriarcha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:22 PM
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Yes, and any man that subscribes to that destructive form of thinking is misguided, and should receive no pity if/when the costs of patriarchy becomes too large for them. Similarly, any woman who wants a “traditional” partner, demanding it from dating prospects, should understand that she’s directly contributing to the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:16 PM
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You see, I knew I shouldn’t have even responded to that hypothetical about “swinging half of his rent”, because it was a tripwire to dedicate more than half your post in response to. Atleast we both agree women contribute to the patriarchy, particularly in their insistence on holding men to “traditional” gendered standards, even in the midst of a cost of living crisis. Rent isn’t $300 anymore, neither are Big Macs $1. It’s also funny how you don’t even open the possibility for the woman to contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:14 PM
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I know, I was just spitballing and ironically using the same evopsyche nonsense conservatives love to use all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:09 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I hate gender based grievance slop. It distracts from the fact we’re all underpaid, and controlled by a small portion of people with assets (men and women).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:08 PM
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I don’t very much care to get into the nitty gritty about the Chinese fucking economy. The fact of the matter is economic conditions here are shit, and the jobs prospects for millions of young people are bleak. Yet, women still expect men to operate as if USSR has just fallen, Big Macs are a buck and rent is $300. Your “don’t worry be happy” boomer slop rhetoric just doesn’t hit the same as it did 30 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 08:03 PM
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How does anything you just said address my, or OP’s, central point that women hold contradictory positions on patriarchy? Of course women acknowledge the harms of patriarchy, but they also contribute to it unknowingly or knowingly! There’s a sea of difference between “wanting man who makes atleast as much as me” and “wanting a guy who can swing his half of rent” and you know that. You also know most women won’t accept the bare minimum of just being able to make half of rent. Let’s talk about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:48 PM
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She’s probably matched with men in her city who would have been international models 30 years ago. Leagues do not exist for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:39 PM
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It is not happening. In fact we’re seeing new evolutions in gendered based grievances, from both sides! Things are getting worse, not better. They will continue to get worse as economic conditions do as well. Your responses so far lead me to believe you’re not capable of having that conversation though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:37 PM
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Exactly, which is why it is imperative men abandon the scam that is the patriarchy. Women have largely abandoned their roles within it, but still expect men to be “traditional” in all the ways that benefits them. Hence OP’s post. And don’t get it twisted, men absolutely play a vital role in patriarchy, I mean it apparently benefits them on paper!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:34 PM
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I am too, I just happen to buck the trend and know a little about how politics (or anything else) works in other countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:31 PM
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That’s largely why most women ever go out in public. To bolster their social media pages.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:26 PM
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Lol, this post is largely talking about that demographic though! I don’t know many people “old enough not to care, young enough to understand (LOL like that’s a major feat) social media” who watch Hasan Piker. A lot of what he said in the post reflects my own experiences with female peers in highschool and college, as well as currently in the real world. You. Are. Out. Of. Touch. And that’s okay!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:24 PM
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It’s certainly not, but humans have largely been domesticating themselves, as well as many animals, for eons. Leading to smaller amygdala’s as well as other structures in the brain. A bigger amygdala, especially living in a relatively safe first-world nation, defies the surroundings you live in. It’s like bringing a cave man to manhattan, fear signals being pumped out like crazy. I think that’s why conservatives hate cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:21 PM
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Lol, you likely don’t even exist in the same reality that COVID’ized socially isolated Gen Zers have for the past few years. The world of even 2019 is not the same world of 2026. You’re out of touch, and thats okay!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:16 PM
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You’re likely not center left, atleast by international standards. Cynical of you to lie like that though, nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:14 PM
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Spare me that horseshit. Men before I was born created this shit. I and none of my peers had a hand in this. Nobody’s forcing you to follow shit, you want to because it benefits you. You lose nothing by admitting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:12 PM
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They’re just not dating those men Yea, jobs don’t require you have a masters degree, they just won’t hire you! That certainly won’t put pressure on job seekers to get a masters degree or stay poor! You’re rage-baiting so I won’t put too much effort into this reply. And no, that argument doesn’t work. It’s predicated on an imagined reality, sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:08 PM
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Exactly as how I said it does. Women acknowledge it, men don’t get all the flack for the patriarchy, legitimate conversations can be had, and hopefully a rapprochement between the genders. With that reconciliation, more energy can be focused on not blaming genders, but fixing society in such a way that many of the current contradictions can be addressed in a non-zero-sum way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:05 PM
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Dems are a center right party, so it doesn’t make sense to hold them up as progressive champions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:01 PM
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How does the patriarchy benefit working poor men whose women expect them to still provide in a cost of living crisis? Objectively, what benefit does a man have that isn’t outweighed by the costs? Progressive policies absolutely benefit men, as well as benefitting women and families.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:59 PM
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The patriarchy is not aligned with the vast majority of men. Ironically enough, the patriarchy would be better for men in a society that was more socioeconomically equal. In our current K-shaped economy, the burdens associated with the patriarchy benefit only the wealthiest, most attractive and socially dominant men. It is in the interests of most men to abandon their patriarchal roles and responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:57 PM
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K shaped economy. Each year a higher threshold of income is needed to live the same life you did the year before. Anybody who isn’t getting constant raises will eventually fall through the cracks and become working poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:53 PM
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Right wingers have bigger amygdala’s (I.E the lizard portion of the brain). Literally evolutionarily delayed, exhibiting feral and fear-based reasoning often times. Don’t feel too highly about yourself either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:50 PM
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Most people are on social media!! How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:49 PM
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You have to incorporate “late stage” (or crony/technofeudal/whatever) capitalism in your analysis of women’s behavior today though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:48 PM
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What a nonsensical reply
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:41 PM
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No, we want you to recognize your role in perpetuating the patriarchy. We want you to have a comprehensive view of the factors maintaining and propagating patriarchy today. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:40 PM
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If the majority of women expect a “traditional” partner, they are putting social pressure on men to act traditionally I.E patriarchal! The only argument I can see working in your favor right now is to try and convince me and the other guy that this is not what most women want. Which is a lie. Most women want a traditional partner, they want a man who makes more than them, is more socially dominant than them, taller than them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:39 PM
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There is no hypocrisy in arguing for gender equality while wanting something traditional in a partner There is no war is Ba Sing Se. Remarkable levels of cognitive dissonance, lying, and delusion. That is literally hypocrisy, contradictory thinking, and directly helps perpetuate the same patriarchy you (generally) claim makes your live such living hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:37 PM
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So do most women or not most women expect a man with his “shit together” who can afford all the associated costs of romance, whilst still keeping his head above water as we experience a cost of living crisis? I don’t see women internalizing any sort of expectation that they “provide” for men at all. I don’t see any societal pressure for women to have everything in order before they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:35 PM
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Why is it the responsibility of a man to “provide” for a woman in big old 26’. I thought we were all equal? This is why you’ll never get rid of the patriarchy, and why feminist appeals to such will never succeed. You exhibit a contradictory existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:31 PM
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There’s a lot less of an excuse to be an “antiwork neckbeard” in a country with a sizeable economy that isn’t predicated on meme coins, healthcare scams and mass layoffs. China is arguably more capitalist, and they sure as hell have a higher GDP rate than this country. We have recruiting executives telling Gen Z’ers with degrees to think about working hospitality and desk jobs. The economic prospects for young people in the US does not look good yet the female members of Gen Z still seem to larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:27 PM
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That’s why I constantly preach that women play a vital role in propagating the patriarchy. As they complain about being beholden to archaic gender roles and standards (that they’ve already largely emancipated themselves from) they simultaneously still largely hold men to their likewise gender standards. This contradiction perpetuates the patriarchy. You (as a collective) want men who are taller than you, make more money than you, have more social currency than you, more followers than you, is mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:06 PM
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he can wait a little bit Unless he’s hot, that might advance the calendar a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:02 PM
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Well obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:07 PM
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Grass is always greener.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:05 PM
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This is why it’s so important that if you’re an average guy, work to make yourself as attractive as possible. Reduces the chances of getting with a woman who’s uninspired by your looks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:46 PM
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Yea it’s totally normal. But I wouldn’t fault a guy who got no attention growing up for feeling insecure and needing extra effort from his partner to make him feel special and not just settled for, or a consolation prize. I think that thought disgusts most women though, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:43 PM
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They absolutely should and a lot of them do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:35 PM
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Subjected to longer wait times, higher costs Well yea, that’s her imposition onto you. If you were a more desirable man who’s had NSA sex before and had your fair share of experiences, being in that situation wouldn’t sting as much would it? It wouldn’t feel like an almost soft rejection if you’ve had women before that didn’t make you jump through hoops. It’s fascinating how being sexually unsuccessful subjects men to a heavy psychological burden. Neuroses form that wouldn’t be present if a drun…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:40 AM
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I’d bet my lemongrass house plant that there is a considerable portion of young men (particularly in suburban car-centric communities) who are systematically isolated, priced out of traditional dating venues like bars/clubs, and are not attractive enough to pop out in online dating. The way current social life is set up, it’s almost intentional how badly we’re screwing young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:19 AM
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The bar for casual sex for men is also damn near subterranean. Men in pre modern terms would romance their farm animals for Christ sake, not a particularly shining endorsement. Obviously the best situation to be in is dating a woman who would have NSA sex with you as well as a long term relationship. Which sucks for men who never got to experience that, since it would appear no woman would be or was willing to do that with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:14 AM
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But it is a privilege. Not just NSA sex (which women absolutely indulge in and only stop because of the selfishness of most sexually successful men) but the reduced mental load that dating has on you. You don’t have to approach, you don’t have to pay for dates, you don’t have to “have game”. Yes, you have to fear being harmed, you’re dealing with men after all. But you still have privilege. Privilege doesn’t mean it’s all sunshine and rainbows, it means you have a distinct structural (or in this…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:10 AM
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That’s why I said the scarcity comment, because there’s about to be a hell of a lot of men transitioning into their mid-20’s/early 30’s with piss poor experience with women. Due in part to the majority of dating taking place online, only the most attractive men get a meaningful amount of attention. And it takes a lot of attention to get even one date, due to bots, schedule conflicts and the like. So the current crop of young men are gonna need a lot of therapy to deal with insecurities stemming …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:01 AM
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I haven’t dated since I met my wife in my early 20’s, but I did briefly date a new mom who assumed that business like approach. She never gave me the time of day until she had that kid either. All I knew is the father didn’t get treated like a joint venture partner when they first hit it off, naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:58 AM
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Lmao, are you anywhere close to mid-20’s/early 30’s? Do you even have an idea what the current dating landscape looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:53 AM
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Nothing! There’s nothing to be done! It’s the natural order of dating. Only thing I’d say is it’d be better if more women acknowledged the absolute privilege they have in dating, rather than acting as if things are on a level playing field, or even crazier, oriented towards men. But even still, I doubt that’d change a single thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:51 AM
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It’s definitely projection, men settle far more than they’re willing to admit. Tons of guys get with a woman just to have something “regular” which is fucked up and usually shows in their effort in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:48 AM
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Have fun in the scarcity-fueled battle for this incredibly small cohort of men. You’ll be competing with women from across the country lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:45 AM
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And could you see how a man who never got attention in his teens and early 20’s, surrounded by optimistic attractive women, would become cynical about the intentions of women (who have nothing to do with his failures in youth)? He’s suddenly getting attention from single mothers who adopt an almost business-like approach to courting, or former sorority chicks who work front desk at a strip mall office? What gives? Is he actually attractive or have these women “reprioritized”? And no shade to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:38 AM
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I think the more cynical men among us might observe that these “crystallized preferences” usually emerge after a woman has already let herself go, or has a child, or is tired of just getting by financially by herself. It’s certainly a natural process that should be expected from any human being. When the process comes by force, I.E it takes an especially traumatizing experience, or the grips of financial destitution, or a child to make a woman change priorities, all the while letting herself go …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:26 AM
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Can yall stop with the “bare minimum” song and dance? That’s not realistic. Nor do the statistics reflect that. It’s just insulting for insults sake, and entirely based on girl power vibes nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:05 AM
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I think some men just value different things, and that doesn’t necessarily mean he only cares about sex. I meet a woman who expects me to wait an extended period of time before sleeping with me I assume she isn’t that attracted to me. Plus some men that you might think “don’t care about sex” are just sleeping with women on the side, albeit that’s a stretch to just assume. And insecurities aren’t inherently bad. Women have tons of insecurities that stem from a whole host of things. That shouldn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:43 AM
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No, that’s the dream for them. I’m talking about prospective partners. Having to wait 3 months to have sex with a woman who’s slept with guys the same day she’s met them sort of situation. Barring of course trauma or some sort of psychological complex like that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:35 AM
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This logic is soooo funny, exactly what a good portion of men fear, regardless of your reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:19 AM
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They don’t need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:53 AM
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Sensible advice. As long as you can eat the social consequences as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 06:04 AM
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Just doing this sets you apart as a man Yea, sets you apart as a creep and weirdo unless you’re hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:23 PM
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That totally explains on the women on tiktok that complain about their boring, emotionally unavailable boyfriends! They’re actually great with women, since being a good person is a prerequisite to having a relationship and sex/s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:50 PM
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Nobody is telling a woman with a 6ft standard that she’s too picky. People are very agnostic about making value statements on women’s standards, unless they’re wayyyyy out there. Like expecting a man who makes 500k or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:14 PM
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Victim blaming Lol Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:57 PM
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Misogyny is a catch-all term for anytime a guy expresses any degree of negative sentiment towards women or women-oriented things
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:56 PM
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Just be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:36 PM
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Part of the appeal of the looksmaxx (such a DUMB name) community, is that they’re brutally honest. They tell guys exactly what’s wrong with their face, compared to the conventionally attractive ideal, and give them tips to fix it. Is it toxic and harmful, sure! But they understand fundamentally that women are just as shallow as men and lay that truth out bare.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:52 PM
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Men are dating women they’re attracted to, wtf are you talking about. And the looks threshold is far more important when it comes to women, since they find the vast majority of men unattractive. I thought this was common knowledge at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:44 PM
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It’s not about maximum hotness, it’s about passing the looks threshold. Every girl that isn’t a prostitute or a sociopathic social climber is with a man that atleast passes her looks threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:37 PM
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Being kind respectful and gentle matters once you are already in the relationship. Those qualities will not edge out one guy over the other. Just complete red herrings. Just be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:38 PM
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“If you don’t apply to many jobs and follow up on them, you’re actually more likely to get them!” What leads someone to think like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:25 AM
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I’m not struggling, I’m married😂. And I had 3 long term relationships before meeting my wife. Your “advice” is just terrible. Do better or keep your mouth shut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 09:18 PM
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2017 called, it wants its dating advice back. This is conservative “pull yourself by your bootstraps” nonsense masquerading as dating advice. Ugly/average men have limited options, hand-waving aimless appeals like “grow” (whatever the fuck that millennial garbage means) are useless. I applaud men who take a front-footed approach, realize online dating sucks and do what’s in their best interest and try to meet women in real life. You actively want these men to hamstring themselves for your own co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:45 PM
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Your comment was contradictory. You simultaneously want to brow beat and judge men for joining hobbies to meet women, especially if they’re not “truly interested” in them, and also implore men to expand their horizons and “grow as people”. I think it’s perfectly fine for these men to join hobbies they might not be interested in, or have zero interest, for the express purpose of meeting women. I don’t understand the judgement and animosity at that notion. Especially from an objectively privileged…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:08 PM
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Because we live in a world that’s simultaneously over socialized and alienated/under socialized. That comes with a litany of contradictions that’s hard to wrap your mind around. The world your great grandpa lived in was a whole lot simpler, and for good reason. Now we’re comparing ourselves, our partners and our relationships to perfect curated experiences online that aren’t real. Nothing is real anymore, simply put. Tack on the fact the main way to meet is in dystopian online spaces where perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:34 PM
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A simple solution is to just be hot. Takes away all these complicated games, and you won’t immediately be labeled a creep!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:28 PM
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Then they’re not joining something they’re truly interested in. Whats not clicking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:25 PM
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My wife has compared me multiple times to her past partners, thankfully in a positive light. I was the first person who could make her finish consistently, and thusly she gave me praise for that. It happens more than you think, in fact some do it without even thinking or registering that they’re doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:20 PM
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Everyone is terminally online and addicted to social media, whatever form or specific niche it may be. The majority of society is reserved to decline and alienation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:19 PM
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No “he” (constituting millions of men) doesn’t. People partner up and marry for a multitude of reasons that can’t be properly explained by your childish comicbook explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:08 PM
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My statement was with regards to straight cis women, not to you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:09 AM
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Doesn’t exclude yall being cowards and chickenshit in the event you ever had to. Imagine the hubris to think you’d be able to something nerve wracking like that with no issues, having zero experience either. Poor bait
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:43 PM
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That doesn’t exclude them being cowards though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:40 PM
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Nah I’d rather ragebait when confronted with stupidity
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:37 AM
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Instead of simply flipping the script we should abolish this paradigm entirely. Much easier said than done sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:48 PM
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“Because they’re human”, the inside of your skull must resemble a gum ball machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:46 PM
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The “lonely” men in this so-called epidemic aren’t having sex with women in the first place. The type of guy who doesn’t care about satisfying women treats them as disposable and replaceable. Obviously, that means the type of men that don’t have to struggle much to find the next casual fling. Sure you left them and “went knocking at another door” but there’s another woman right there knocking on the door you just left. This is an example of women misplacing their anger in the men they have sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:35 PM
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That has not been the case in the casual encounters I’ve had. Only in committed relationships did I feel comfortable asking the woman exactly what she wanted. In the casual settings, especially when I was just starting out, I feared looking inexperienced and annoying by asking. Likewise, the relatively inexperienced women I slept with weren’t fully comfortable voicing what they wanted either. That’s something that comes with maturation imo, always room for other experiences though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:13 PM
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In a world where we’re bombarded with dopamine and half of us have ADHD, you’d be surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:24 PM
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Both can generally be true, but it would be ridiculous to say women wouldn’t like sex with a FWB they have good sexual chemistry with. Conversely, I think it would be reasonable to say they have an edge in singleness, knowing they can quickly alleviate any pangs of loneliness with a swipe of their phone screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:37 AM
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It’s a matter of security vs scarcity. When you know you can easily access something without much effort, generally when you want, you don’t want it as much. But you will occasionally indulge in it, depending on who you are, and the situation you’re in. Maybe you haven’t felt human touch in a while, it’s a long weekend, and you’re bored. When something is scarce and takes a lot of effort to get, you might want it all the time, especially when your endocrine system is pumping you full of hormones…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:33 AM
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Certainly, but this wasn’t meant to be taken as a literal one-to-one comparison. It was very lazy of you to take that route in your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:51 PM
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Women can scratch their sexual and intimate itch whenever they like. That’s more like couch surfing. So living under a roof of sorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:50 PM
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It was equating, it was drawing a parallel. Not meant to be seen as a one-to-one comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:37 AM
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“No one will force you to get a job if you don’t want to, but you’ll be homeless if you don’t” Negative freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:52 PM
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You’ve never been a man, so I don’t fault you for this misconception, but when guys do that they usually actually like you as a person too. He’s not just fantasizing about having sex with you constantly, he actually enjoys your company and wants a deeper level of intimacy. Sex can paradoxically be both a deep/romantic and surface-level/hedonistic form of intimacy depending on the context. In this case it’s safe to assume it’s the former. The ghosting afterwards is because professing your feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:46 PM
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It’s the responsibility of the men who orbit to ensure they don’t get used. No crying at the casino.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:22 PM
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And even if it was purely physical so what? He approached you, that doesn’t mean you need to be offended and aggrieved by that. It’s hilarious to try and assume some sort of moral high ground here when it’s obvious your levels of disgust and offense depends on the physical attractiveness of the guy approaching. In this hypothetical, all he’s done was ask you out. Just reject the guy, the time to be aggrieved is after he keeps trying. I’ve rejected plenty of gay men who’ve shot their shot at me, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:19 PM
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Do you think I made my replies to hurt you, and collectively women’s, feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:13 PM
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Who tf is befriending someone because of their bank account???
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:09 PM
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Well that’s why you choose a guy based on substantive traits like: whether he’s a good person, whether he treats his family well, his sense of integrity etc. Seems simple enough, until you realize more than 50% of relationships in 25’ happen through a medium that’s horrible for gleaning those traits, I.E online dating. Attractiveness is the primary metric that people select for on there. Hence, why I’m even saying all the stuff I am right now. Physical attractiveness is the end all be all, your …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:00 PM
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Lol, my “fluff”, which is me comprehensively detailing my position. You’re a wonderful conversationalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:51 PM
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The closer he is to male beauty standards in a given region/culture. Which you can vibe out if you’re not an A.I or neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:48 PM
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That historical context is not the current reality though. One thing I see a lot with “pink-pilled” and feminist women is an insistence on calling back to a past that no longer exists to justify their ideology. A refusal to acknowledge the vast progress that’s happened for women, even surpassing men in various aspects for younger generations. It’s almost like you need that horrible past to still exist for your ideology to have any meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:40 PM
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Yea there’s the component within this of “Beauty standards”, wherein the closer the men you like are to traditional or cultural male beauty standards, the more they’ll be attractive to a bigger portion of women. I think you’re pretty safe in liking 5’7 Asian men. Not so much for a black woman living in a predominantly black community who likes dreadheaded Nike-from-head-to-toe black men who drive scat packs. Or the sorority girl who likes 6 foot plus guys with tons of social clout and a finance …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:27 PM
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I never said that, what a ludicrous thing to say. It’s not something that should be at the forefront of your mind. Driving a car is lowkey dangerous, that doesn’t stop you from driving it. It’s not apparent in your mind the tens of thousands of people who die a year from accidents. Having an understanding of the risks makes you more vigilant and aware of how things can go bad and why they go bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:20 PM
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Obviously not, but women need to internalize the fact that the distribution of female attraction inevitably leads to them being attracted to guys who are already hot commodities with other women as well. This statement isn’t meant to blame them if they get cheated on (which plenty of bitter incels love to do) but to simply make them aware of the dynamics behind their collective dating choices. It’s like a job with strict requirements hiring a very qualified candidate, and then being surprised wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:35 PM
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Obviously not, but women need to internalize the fact that the distribution of female attraction inevitably leads to them being attracted to guys who are already hot commodities with other women as well. This statement isn’t meant to blame them if they get cheated on (which plenty of bitter incels love to do) but to simply make them aware of the dynamics behind their collective actions. It’s like a job with strict requirements hiring a very qualified candidate, and then being surprised when that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:31 PM
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If you’re attractive to one woman odds are you’re attractive to others. If a guy is attractive enough to catch your eye, odds are he’s caught the eye of other women. Hence the “has the most options” comment. If no women find you attractive (a good portion of Gen Z men experience this) then you get radio silence. I don’t think women truly understand what the concept of “radio silence” entails. You literally get nothing, it’s a desert. You’re in a romantic vacuum, akin to the most remote, distant …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:26 PM
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I do always have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of snide comments from lesbians about men come with ulterior motives. But I try and silence those thoughts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:11 AM
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Obviously, but that’s a small number of guys. An average guy can become hot to someone in a 10 mile radius if he makes a serious effort to increase his aesthetics. If you have a deformity/birth defect/burn scar/just butt fucking ugly then yea, it’ll be tough no matter what you do. The difference was night and day. I met my partner when I was the fittest, best looking version of myself. Then I relaxed a bit because you can’t maintain a relationship and also follow a stringent regimen. I’m still p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:20 PM
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Thank you Marcus Aurelius, that was beautifully said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:22 AM
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Politically I wish there weren’t homeless people, doesn’t mean becoming a Maoist is the appropriate action to take after that. That’s adolescent thinking, you have to contend with the real world. A world where movements like 4b will achieve nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:58 AM
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I don’t know what upside down world you live in, but guys are definitely hornier than women most of the time. Men also want a wider variety of women than vice versa, which directly ties in with my point. If men as a collective weren’t as horny, their physical standards wouldn’t be as lax. Guys will literally sleep with eldritch horrors just to get their dicks wet and satiate their sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:56 AM
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Exactly what it says, appear gayer. Wear earrings, don’t be afraid to wear “girly” colors. Have interest/knowledge in things geared towards women. Don’t take yourself too seriously, or your “masculinity”. Groom yourself very well and dress nicely. It goes a long way to signal safety, and you’ll literally look better. This works best for younger women in more liberal areas. For older folks, safety is usually signaled through wealth and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:46 AM
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This, an easy way to signal safety is to be a little bit queer. Be a little girly pop. Not too much, or she’ll think you’re actually gay, but don’t be afraid to signal you’re not just a basic dude with no personality that extends past typically male interests. Every guy who’s gone to a liberal arts college understands this, free game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:44 AM
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Key word: “In the right situations”. Men are hornier and don’t need special circumstances for their dicks to get hard. Not so much for women. Hence “lower libido”. Let’s use our critical thinking skills here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:41 AM
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Getting to 10% bodyfat is certainly realistic. It’ll involve lifestyle changes and consistent exercise, but if you’re pussyless and have tried everything else, why not try this? Getting some tail should be ample motivation to maintain a healthy regimen. No roids needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:38 PM
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They don’t understand that. They think all women are secret nymphos but only for Chadicus:(. They’re jumping his bones every night while they cry themselves to sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:54 AM
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It directly affects your aesthetics. Eating right so you don’t get bloated, ensuring you have the correct electrolyte balance so you don’t retain water in your face/body, proper nutrition for optimum muscle recovery etc. Eat your veggies, your future self will thank you ;). Oh, and obviously you want to lose as much body fat as healthily possible. High body fat is a major reason guys don’t attract women. Unless you’re a burly former offensive linemen having a lot of fat is detrimental
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:51 AM
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Low libido means a higher threshold to getting to the point of arousal. Even people with a high libido aren’t walking around horny all day. People with low libido are still capable of being horny. I don’t know why you felt like that point was ever in contention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:05 AM
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Increase your chances by working out and eating a balanced diet. Easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:01 AM
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I remember being 12 years old…thanks for reminding me(not)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:00 AM
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Women, on average, have a lower libido than men. There’s your answer right there. It ain’t rocket science people
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:49 AM
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This topic is so interesting to me because of the multi-faceted nature of it. The numerous layers and intersections that constitute the social/dating lives of hundreds of millions of people. We’re discussing this in the abstract. Generally women have it easier, but of course if you’re a woman who struggles, you won’t relate to that. Try and remove yourself from this conversation and look at it almost like an alien species just neutrally observing how we work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:00 PM
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Who’s “yall”? Can you read? I don’t support either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:39 PM
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It’s like a fandom. They’ll eat themselves alive long before they affect the real world in any meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:46 AM
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Everybody nowadays thrives on victimhood. Feminists in the 2010’s directly helped pioneer the victim-laden hellscape we live in now. They directly created the specific grievance-based oppositional relationship between man and woman we currently have, even as conditions for women got better, and for younger cohorts, even surpassed that of men. Those dumbasses who talk till they’re blue in the face about how men are perpetual victims don’t have any sympathy in my eyes. But they’re also on the peri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:44 AM
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Victimhood in politics is cheap and easily accessible. But it doesn’t have any staying power. Eventually more substantive policy has to take the forefront, or people are just gonna start rolling their eyes when you talk about oppression for the 150th time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:40 AM
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Like they’ve only recently, like post COVID started to get recognized. Oh my God do you remember the discourse surrounding gender pre-COVID? It was like double standards just didn’t exist in the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:38 AM
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And the mainstream feeling still is that men are privileged oppressors and women are perpetually oppressed, downtrodden victims. For as much as the chuds have tried to hijack the mainstream (Fresh and fit, Andrew Tate etc) those guys are still seen as freak shows and exist entirely in the periphery of mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:36 AM
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Lol, there will never be a critical mass of women who seriously adhere to the 4B movement’s stated principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:31 AM
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You don’t need empathy, and the world will not provide it to you. What will empathy do for you? Pity sex? Pipe dream. The realm of dating and sex in the western world is an entirely laissez-faire chaotic affair. Empathy will do nothing for you in that environment. And thank God there isn’t a major political/religious movement to change that, free will is good. However, it would feel nice for people to acknowledge that women have it easier, and not to gaslight us about this. But, you’re pushing y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:28 AM
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I don’t know, do I look clairvoyant? The fact of the matter is that when the topic does come up it’s completely ignored that women have it drastically easier when dating than men. And the OP posited a decent theory for why that is; a reluctance by society to ever recognize privileges/advantages/luxuries that women experience. Why? I don’t know, maybe it threatens the perpetual victimhood status that is an integral part of so many women’s psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:15 AM
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Plenty of women yet this notion has had zero penetration into mainstream dating discourse. In fact, it’s actively argued against and denied!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:07 PM
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And the special little assholes among them (Radfems) will use the vulnerability you displayed in making your interest in them known, to press further and label you a harasser, or a predator etc. For just showing interest mind you, simply approaching or non-explicitly flirting through text. All the while being stupefyingly promiscuous and ostensibly sex-positive. Just completely bastardizing real terms with horrible consequences to cash in on the only political currency they understand: victimhoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:31 PM
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Yea that guys an idiot. Toxicity doesn’t a play a vital role, either way, until the relationship is well on its way. I guess an argument could be made that toxicity could lend towards “excitement” early on into courting? But that’s still heavily dependent on how attractive you actually are, leading back to my point (no real bearing on success).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:27 PM
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There’s also r/nicegirls, does that sub describe how women act?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:13 AM
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You’ve never seen an older couple struggle for years for a child and it shows. It’s not a trivial matter. Trying for a child past a certain age is literally a roll of the dice, odds not being in your favor. Thank God for IVF but that’s expensive AF
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:06 AM
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Go back to the misc. it’s been 14 years now, let it go
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:03 AM
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Why the hell would I care about that. I’m not a politician responsible for statecraft. I’m not a business requiring a long term business outlook. Birth rates convos are gutter trash tier discussions online. They attract the biggest idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:02 AM
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Ah, the notorious “misogynist detector” all women have that suddenly stops working when they’re told to “choose better”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:59 AM
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That’s exactly how jobs work in ‘25 too. And I don’t need to tell you the gender that makes up most of HR and hiring managers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:55 AM
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And a lot of lonely men aren’t toxic. I, and many others, just don’t see toxicity as a defining factor in whether a guy will be successful or not in dating. And by successful, I mean successful by a typical man’s standards (I.E. just attracting a woman in the first place) Most guys don’t even show their toxicity until a few weeks/months into a relationship. When confronted with “choose better” arguments, women on this sub always remind us that shitty men are often good at first, and then become …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:51 AM
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I’ve been told women are not a monolith, and that the worst of them don’t define them. Same applies here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:42 AM
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Ahh I see what you mean. Shoulda thought of that sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:45 AM
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Counter-intuitively, people traumatized in a dating context are far more accommodating of the specific form of trauma vs someone who’s never experienced it before
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:33 AM
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The dynamics surrounding a relationship in a third world patriarchal society vs a first world country and an LGBT relationship are so fundamentally different that they might as well be two different planets
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:51 PM
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Your response depends on it being true he purposefully positioned himself like that. Do you have evidence he did? If not, sounds like victim blaming to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:41 AM
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Well put solution-based response. You wouldn’t tell a homeless man to start networking or fine/tuning his resume, he’s homeless. The first thing he needs to do is get a simple job, find a place and increase his skills gradually (get in the gym). Same here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:37 AM
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Maybe they think feminism doesn’t go far enough, and is too myopic in scope. Women out earn men, have more college degrees, and are increasingly owning homes more than men. Conservatives have definitely learned to counter it, with the rise in multi cultural “rainbow fascism”. Maybe something different is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:32 AM
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Putting a wet blanket over your emotions and ignoring them isn’t “regulation”, it’s “avoidance”. I’m thinking mainly of younger cohorts of men who are growing up right now who will increasingly have limited, fleeting sexual experiences, if any. Damn near half of Gen Z men are virgins right now. The scenario presented in the OP will definitely be the reality in the future for a lot of them. Most of them will not be mentally strong enough to simply will themselves out of the inevitable insecurity …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:27 AM
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Women shouldn’t be surprised by toxic masculinity when they expect men to stoically and quietly handle normal emotions like insecurity. I see you’re a redpill guy, so you certainly subscribe to that form of thinking. I’ve seen too many men crash and burn from that shit so it’s not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:13 AM
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Insecurity is a natural human emotion that requires effort to work through. It is not a mortal sin that you can’t come back from. Women experience insecurity from the most mundane things all the time, why couldn’t a man feel insecurity about this obviously complex and emotionally charged context?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:16 AM
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Yes, I already said counseling is needed. Not sure why you felt like reiterating it, and I get a sense it was said maliciously, but oh well. Counseling, reassurance from their partner, therapy and time. The feelings of retroactive jealousy are absolutely valid, and need to be addressed sensitively. This of course requires the man to have a requisite amount of emotional intelligence, which might be a tall order.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:57 AM
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Okay purrr, you get a pass girl
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:07 AM
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I’m talking about the explanations given in subs like this, when the issue is pressed. Keep up please
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:13 AM
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Lol, so it’s completely irrational to feel jealous in this situation? Because I can assure you women feel jealous for farrrrr less than this. This isn’t something that can just fixed with an “I love you”. Counseling, reassurance, communication all will be needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:06 AM
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If you expect brief appeals to “love” to be enough to assuage the feelings of jealousy and insecurity a man would experience in this scenario that’s pipe dream. Especially in an arrangement where he would probably lose a lot if it ended. “It’s okay that I had way more sexual chemistry and experienced mind blowing orgasms with the guy who abused me for years, I love you! Don’t feel jealous or have my mental hang ups about that!”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:01 PM
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Lol, get some standard brother. That’s unacceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:48 PM
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You still get to have it on tap, on command, at any point in your life when you want it. Surely that means something
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:41 PM
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Semantics, the main idea is women over-complicate their sexuality as to appear more moral and virtuous than men. Obfuscating the shallowness they readily exhibit in various scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:26 PM
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I certainly don’t think there’s a global cabal of women punishing average men by “denying them sex” or whatever. But I do think there’s an organized, gender-wide effort to obfuscate the more morally gray aspects of female sexuality, and to elevate that form of sexuality when compared to men. I.E women’s sexuality is inherently more virtuous, principled and moral. This veneer is further bolstered by women’s diminished libido compared to men. Women’s tastes are seen as more deliberate and thoughtf…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:16 PM
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Just be honest about it, provide ample reassurance to your partner, and help them process their feelings in an appropriate and mature way. It’ll probably be really hard and uncomfortable, but it’s much better than hyping up your gender’s sexuality as inherently more moral and principled than men. Thereby casting any man who has trouble with women as a “sinner” whose failure stems from an impious hatred for women and doing good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:10 PM
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Men openly joke about it. Women act all high and mighty to keep up the veneer of being the “better” sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:05 PM
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50% of marriages end in divorce, many bitterly. With the year leading up the divorce a depressing malaise of lost feelings. For atleast 50% of people, the supposed strong “love” they feel is functionally useless in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:58 PM
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We have to realize atleast a small part of the orgasm gap stems from this counter intuitive psyche
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:56 PM
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That’s a deeply fucked up psyche lol, good luck to whoever she ends up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:50 PM
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Ultimately it is your responsibility, and that responsibility extends from when you first pick a guy to sleep with and all the way to the act itself. You don’t get to have all the luxury of being approached and having your pick of men without a little bit of responsibility yourself. It would behoove the man you’re sleeping with to put on a good performance if he cares about you, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:47 PM
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Challenge accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:13 PM
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A cold reality that a good portion of the better gender will fight tooth and nail to argue against.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:11 PM
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It’s icky but no different from the power dynamics domestically. Just an increase in the intensity of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:54 PM
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But do you care about “looking like a slut”? That’s a big one
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:50 PM
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Lol you dedicated the vast majority of your post to the intricacies of demisexuality, as if there aren’t a litany of other rationalizations meant to make women look like wholesome angels. That was just one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:43 PM
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It’s not bad behavior, simply obfuscation and rationalization to try and make your sexuality look more moralistic and principled. The rationalization of impulses “Demisexual” is such a pompous label for actions that probably stem from far more shallow feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:34 PM
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It’s absolutely unhealthy, but that doesn’t address whether it’s valid or true. Kinda like conspiracy theories that end up having some credence. Preferably you don’t even go down that rabbit hole. But once you do you’re in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:27 PM
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This rationalization is funny. I just see it as the guy isn’t attractive enough to garner sexual attraction from the jump. Misogyny and looking like a slut go out the window if the guy is hot enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:14 PM
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The same person can be different in different periods of life, settings, times of day, weather seasons etc. People are dynamic, same coin, different sides
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:58 PM
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We do not, nobody is perfect. When some men get burned and go around saying all women are whores and sluts society correctly tell those guys to shove it with their generalizations. When the opposite happens there’s no pushback and often encouragement to incite hate against all men. The 6’3 college football player screws over 10 women and Charlie who’s trying to get a math degree gets lumped in with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:44 AM
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Life is nothing but a series of tough choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:31 AM
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Do not underestimate the neuroses young teenage boys and young adult men will experience if they don’t fuck. It’s quite literally an existential feeling. Like you could die tomorrow never having experienced a crumb of cooch. It’s stupid in hindsight, but like I said before, incredibly real while experiencing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:29 AM
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Wow, you’re so principled and virtuous. You’d even die a virgin before lying about your sexual experience to have sex! What a pious, amazing person you are. You wax poetic about a situation you will never have to face in your life. Talk is incredibly cheap, cheap bores me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:27 AM
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Yea because the stuff people say always aligns with their actions and motivations. I take an Occam’s razor approach, women don’t approach because they don’t have to, and also because approaching is scary and sucks. You give all the power to the other person to reject you, while letting them know you want them in atleast a deeply physical way. It’s awkward, and has potential social ramifications if the person you approached decides to be shitty and take full advantage of the vulnerability you dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:16 AM
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Lol you called OPs post AI slop and then went into a long winded tirade about why you want a globalized polycule
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:11 AM
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If you can’t understand it you never will. You’re not a man, you wouldn’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:07 AM
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Societal pressures mainly. Feeling you’re missing out on a transcendental experience that all of your peers have or are taking part in. Feeling rejected, unwanted and unfulfilled. Feeling a sense of arrested development in a seemingly important aspect of life that all your ancestors before you partook in. All of those feeling are usually resolved very easily upon losing it. And you realize your hangups around it were dumb, but before that it’s incredibly real. Much like driving a shitty car and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:04 AM
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Everyone is shallow, everyone judges based on first impression and appearance. The fact you don’t recognize that is scary. Much like a mentally ill person that doesn’t know they’re mentally ill. You’re moving through life ignorant of how your own mind works. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:58 AM
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No, I directly contended with his point. Personality matters, but beyond displaying neurotypicality its impact is negligible. And of course, you must pass the looks threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:50 AM
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We’re combatting the narrative that a man’s success in dating is tied to his virtuosity and inherent good qualities needed to be a good person. That’s manipulative, and even more insulting than just telling the guy he’s ugly to his face. It’s existentially insulting, and just plain wrong. A guys success in dating, atleast in the short term (which is incredibly important for a conversation around men who can’t have sex, thoughtless of a relationship), is tied to transient superficial qualities an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:48 AM
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It’s similar, but different. Most men aren’t looking for a woman who stands out socially in a room, and in fact many look for the opposite. Whether that be because they’re intimidated, or want less competition from other suitors or whatever, that’s a real difference. I never insinuated those factors weren’t incredibly important in day to day life. But the parent comment said “other qualities” as if the most superficial and shallow things aren’t those “qualities”. As if there’s some deeper mechan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:43 AM
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Everyone is shallow Mr. Perfect. Get off your high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:56 PM
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That’s been the world for centuries now and only when sex before marriage lost its taboo did we see massive increases in material conditions and living standards. Hmm, makes ya think
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:55 PM
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Lol we all know men will sleep with anything and everything. Don’t know what gave you any other impression
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:53 PM
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Personality can absolutely stop a guy from getting laid. But mostly it comes down to just being neurotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:51 PM
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“Other qualities” and it’s literally just their physical attractiveness, their social class, or the amount of clout they have in a given setting. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:50 PM
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Yea let’s model out society around a bunch of fucking monkeys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:53 PM
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I wasn’t peacocking? It was you who implied I don’t satisfy my partner? Lol. My point is, if you want to engage in the casual lifestyle, you’ll have to contend with the fact that the men you’re sleeping with have zero emotional attachment to you, and thusly have a diminished reason to care about your satisfaction. And your satisfaction is your responsibility anyways. Men have to go through the trouble of initiating, courting, maintaining contact, arranging dates, AND babying you to your orgasm? …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:41 PM
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Lol, my partner is very satisfied. I take my time and know what I’m doing, and put special effort in since she is my one and only, and not some random I met at the bar during the weekend. You seem to expect men who have no emotional attachment to you to put in the, admittedly tedious, effort it takes to learn a new woman, how she ticks etc. One thing that made one woman go crazy does nothing for another. Expecting that effort from a man you just met on an ostensibly casual basis is a recipe for …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:30 PM
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The only thing I can think of is financial leverage and social leverage (I.E career advancement and jobs), but how would that describe a man who’s older but isn’t in a typical “stage of life” for his age (increasingly common for gen z and millennials)? Is he a predator or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:27 PM
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You don’t need sex at all, you’ve got a vibrator. Wonderful! You further disproved your own assertion. Have a lovely Sunday
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:18 PM
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You are responsible for your own sexual satisfaction. You should not place that burden in the hands of the drunk fuckboys you have one night stands with. FwB and long term partners fix this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:12 PM
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Most of the dudes on 4chan are old men now lol. Kids are on tiktok and instagram reels. Keep up
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:05 PM
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There’s women in further “stages of life” that fall for the same dumb shit that younger women do. In fact one could argue they go for that shit even more than the younger gals. That “stages of life” shit isn’t gospel, we all progress at different rates depending on a variety of factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:04 PM
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Much like the economy is K shaped so is sex and dating lol. More and more extremes regarding promiscuity and celibacy will be observed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:00 PM
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Ah, I remember when I was in the anger phase. You’ll grow out of it trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:45 AM
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Calm down, they mainly just don’t have sex with unsuitable men. That’s the crux of your grievance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:56 PM
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Yes, those same double standards apply in life when it comes to wealth and influence. Welcome to the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:39 AM
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Exactly! Why date her? It most likely won’t end well!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:38 AM
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For you in whatever geographic location you are and whatever social class/social circles you’re in. In other cases being short has catastrophic effects on a guys ability to date. Especially if they don’t have a lot of money, which most young men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:14 AM
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Dating a woman who doesn’t think you’re hot first and foremost is a recipe for disaster lol. That takes a lot of maturity, effort and patience to maintain and most people do not have the requisite level of any of those characteristics. A lot easier for your personality and auxiliary traits to shine if she’s already enamored by your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:12 AM
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That sounds like the best reality. They don’t date, don’t get disappointed, and don’t hold weird resentment towards the women who might be willing to give them a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:05 AM
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This checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:14 PM
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As a rational adult, you should understand those are empty threats, and treat them accordingly. But through your ideology you actually benefit from constantly being a victim, so you use those nonsensical threats to your advantage. There is no scenario in the current world we live in, where any large scale male-specific uprising, on the basis on not getting pussy, wouldn’t immediately be stamped down. Yet you point to that dumb shit like it’s a serious scenario worth putting mental effort towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:05 PM
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Yea it is funny, not “haha funny” but funny. Kind of like how someone says “it’s funny how you did x and y” but not in an amusing way. Not to justify my tone, I don’t care how you see me. The fact of the matter is you guys failed. You were outmaneuvered by conservatives, and yet that never gave you any pause. It has lead to no broader reevaluations or critical analysis in the feminist circle. You guys just blame men and say we’re all evil. You say we’re all agents, or sleeper agents, for the pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:26 PM
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I think what you’re getting at here, especially with the point about enlightenment liberalism, is that feminism has no purchase in the actual material world. They hold ideas above all else, even in the face of tangible obstacles. I disagree with the “human nature” aspect because we are unique in the fact nurture can override most of nature when it comes to our behavior. Barring innate structural qualities person to person, like how psychopaths are psychopaths due to the literal structure of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:20 PM
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Abortion is a serious problem that needs to be fixed, no doubt. But isn’t it funny to you that the last decade, when pop feminism was at its height, they were unable to secure this critical right for women? Even with institutional backing, tons of dollars in funding, and a social climate that was far more open than the one we have today? What a monumental failure of a movement fourth wave feminism has been. Any feminist leaders that oversaw this catastrophic defeat should be ashamed of themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:01 PM
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Instead of focusing on substance you focus on semantics. A succinct encapsulation of you and your movement’s politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:58 PM
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Even though for years they’ve claimed feminism is actually about equality for men and women. Lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:57 PM
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Yea and the Democratic Party used to be the party of slave owners. Movements, labels, language etc change throughout the course of history. The current iteration of feminism has no juice, it’s like phase 5 marvel universe shit. Yes, it has a storied past that helped emancipate billions of women from under the boot of men, integrating them into the workforce and making them equal to men. It really was amazing, just like Endgame was. That is not what it is today. Much of what you see from those vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:48 PM
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Spite and jealousy are inherent and normal human emotions that make a functioning world of equally intelligent people impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:13 AM
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Everyone has high IQ and EQ. Those with anti-social personality traits quarantined and given appropriate treatment, turning them eventually into good members of society. Everyone from birth understands their lot in life attractiveness wise and acts accordingly, no unrealistic standards or coveting of others. A world where being a good down-to-earth person is the default, rather than exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:09 AM
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The only thing I can think of is if the guy was poor growing up and just recently gained some sort of financial independence. Makes sense for like a doctor, who’s been in school for over a decade making peanuts, and then finally lands a job at a hospital or starts their own practice. But that’s a small small portion of people already, thoughtless of the portion of that portion who are “late bloomer” men. Not a realistic scenario worth putting any mental energy towards
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 07:20 AM
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Yea, very few “late bloomers” will suddenly be in a position where they can date on their own terms and selectively choose younger women. This is winning the lottery/Silicon Valley dream job/crypto millionaire territory. The more likely scenario is guys who’ve already had their fair share of flings who simply want to date younger women, because they think they look better. It starts to get weird when you’re in your later 30s onwards and specifically seeking out young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 07:13 AM
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 03:34 PM
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Huh? Joking about beating your wife wouldn’t is going to get horrified looks, most people won’t find that funny or even slightly amusing like they would regarding sex with wife. What are you on?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:58 PM
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Beating your wife and having consensual sex aren’t the same thing, I shouldn’t have to say that. What environments are you in where you’re talking about sex? Is it with coworkers at the bar, or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:25 PM
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There’s a lot more socially acceptable jokes for having sex with one’s wife than there are for having sex with a random prostitute. Plenty of mainstream TV shows make those jokes. But yea, generally sex talk is taboo. Which just further proves my point. If talking about sex via marriage or dating is already taboo, why would sex as a business transaction not be even more taboo?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:06 PM
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But your perception on this is also skewed. I didn’t say you can’t contribute, just be mindful of the fact that a lot of people don’t have the luxury of being around others who are accepting of sex work. I know plenty of blue collar guys who pay for prostitutes, and joke about it all the time. But polite company don’t take too kindly to that sort of talk. Imagine a teacher telling their married coworkers that they do that, there’s a possibility of social penalties for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:03 PM
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Atleast from the social media posts I’ve seen, it’s guys walking the streets of Bangkok and throwing their T-bills around knowing that it stretches out a lot more in a poorer country. They’re not dating the white color class college educated women there, they’re there for sex and for as cheap as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:58 AM
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Moving to a different place, leveraging the higher buying power from your host nation’s currency, in order to get sex from women who are often times exploited and living in poverty isn’t a good look.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:56 AM
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That’s an extraordinary experience. Most people don’t have friends/coworkers who are sex workers. You said it’s unusual, even for the social circle you hang with, which I assume would be more accepting of that. I doubt that’d be a similar case for Joe who works at an insurance firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:47 AM
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It is a taboo to a lot of women to explicitly state you want to pay for sex. As much as social norms and customs are a hodgepodge of different standards nowadays, that’s a pretty good way to offends lots of women. The arrangement can happen, but usually under some degree of plausible deniability. There a various social arrangements that functionally are just paying for sex, but usually not explicitly stated. And for good reason, prostitution is illegal in a lot of places. Likewise, explicitly as…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:43 AM
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I think most people just don’t care. Like you said, bigger problems occupy their mind. Of course if a guy is dating a woman in a sexually charged occupation, like a stripper, the dynamics change. But most people don’t have that thought about a guy dating Sally the nurse who sucked 30 dicks from 18-27, that they would have no way of knowing to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:49 AM
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I won’t deny the asymmetries. Women can get sex a lot easier than men. Some women have a sufficient sex drive to fully take advantage of that. Unless you’re an Adonis, you’re probably at a disadvantage, makes no sense to try and fight that. Best you can do is improve yourself as much as possible. You won’t win, atleast anytime soon. Who knows, maybe in the near future we get a totalitarian state that takes a liking to truly oppressing women. With the way things are that will increasingly become …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:30 AM
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Like I said, I get it. It’s an ick. But just keep it at that. All that other shit about “low class behavior” and hoes being a certain type of person is just rationalization, the same shit many men claim women do so much. Rich people have sex, a lot more sex than poor people. There are tons of women who have lots of sex who are normal people. They’re not onlyfans thots, they’re not the town bicycle, they’re not wearing butt plugs in public. But again, if that’s not your taste that’s entirely your…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:25 AM
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So what’s the process here? You see your friend with his former hoe, and you’re functionally thinking about the dicks she’s taken before him? That’s not weird to you? We all have intrusive thoughts, but usually they’re just thoughts, and this thought definitely wouldn’t occupy another second in my head. It’s fine to think he’s settled, but you’re basing that on the fact she was a hoe? What if she treats him right, has a good job, and makes him happy? That doesn’t matter here? Unserious. If her h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:44 PM
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No, men do not talk like that. That guys probably like 14, grown adults in 2025 aren’t talking like that about the partners of people they know. Unless they were a porn star or something, which is an exceptional case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:23 AM
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Stop trying to be cute, a good number of men are gooning while in a relationship. Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:21 AM
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Who cares. We know entirely too much about each other in a lot of other aspects as well. Oversharing has exploded since social media became a thing. Are you thinking about other guys’ women like that? You see your friend with his girl and think about how many other dicks she’s had? That’s just a fundamentally unserious approach to life. People have sex, your future wife will have most likely had sex with other men, that’s life. We all take shits, all of our breaths smell like ass in the morning,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:17 AM
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Ethical sluts shouldn’t feel shame, virgins shouldn’t feel shame. It’s that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:06 AM
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Yea if that guy has a tendency to date women who lie, cheat and are abusive I think choosing better is a good actionable advice to give him. I wouldn’t tell a woman who had a one-off relationship with a piece of shit to choose better. Same with a man. But if you have a pattern of dating those types, you should definitely reflect on what qualities you look for in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:05 AM
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Yea, I take back my consent to this conversation. Your previous responses are now retroactively categorized as harassment/bullying towards me. I’ve already reported you so there’s no point in arguing your case
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:35 PM
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Low effort, nonsensical, must be trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:33 PM
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You really don’t. All you need is a tiktok account and it’ll come up at some point. Again, it’s 2025, everything is online. The gender war is mainstream and an extension of the broader culture war that’s gripped this country for decades now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:45 AM
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Lmao two mild responses and you’re already using all caps, totally not a femcel/s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:40 AM
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You have to be getting a rush from this. Rage baiting/trolling is kinda fun so I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:36 AM
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A large population of people being inundated with media telling them their partners aren’t good enough (on entirely aesthetic lines) will affect the behavior of some people in that population. You (generally) can blame it on individual behavior, but in terms of a society with millions of people that point of contention is meaningless. For example, in black online spaces, conversations about $200 dates (laughably irresponsible, unless you have a high paying job, good job security and a growing re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:23 AM
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Nobody under the age of 35 has ever visited the links you sent. They spend the majority of their time online on one of the like 9 major social media platforms Web3 has to offer. Most young people don’t say friends with benefits, they say situationship, a term that spawned on social media. I know it’s hard to keep up with the dizzying amount of new slang coming out but that’s just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:54 PM
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Oh yea let’s just hand wave this away and blame it on individual consumption. That definitely has worked with things like climate change, increasing fascism and income inequality. You’re totally not out of touch!/s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:50 PM
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The algorithms fucking with them, but you can see how impressionable women could actually internalize these thoughts as well, right? If video games and movies with misogynistic elements could make men internalize horrible feeling towards women, I think the reverse can also happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:38 PM
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I can assure you there’s a whole bloc of women out there that think most men hate them and want to strip them of their rights. Tons of women online use viral posts from psycho men to justify these fears. It’s only natural you’d see likewise behavior from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:34 PM
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Maybe you’re just a tad out of touch. There’s a whole world out there of young people saying these things on TikTok and other social media sites. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. A few replies under your post prove that too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:33 PM
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Everything is online now. Everyone is chronically online in one way or another. This isn’t 2005 anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:59 PM
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He’s ugly but he’s rich, with billions of fans and hundreds of rich famous “friends”. I think that’s a potent combination to leave some women starstruck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:06 PM
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You should show interest, but need EQ to “catch the vibe” in whatever social interaction is happening. Pick up on minute body language cues, signs of discomfort, signs of interest, personality etc. That’s why I feel bad for autistic bros because there are a lot of unspoken social rules from person to person that can make or break chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:03 PM
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Lol, thanks for letting me know how the group works? I don’t even know what warranted this response. I never said those women don’t see the warning signs. I think it’s great that groups like that expose shitty men. My main point was the big wall of text in that post. What are you even responding to here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:56 AM
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Sure, I won’t argue that. But both stem from the same, admittedly gendered, thought processes. If a man would lie in order to sleep with a woman he fears wouldn’t sleep with him otherwise, then it’s easy to understand why a woman would do the same to get into a relationship with a man. These are two related concepts, so the unwillingness to atleast understand why a woman would lie is where I start to disagree. If you can understand why a guy would do it, you can understand why a woman would do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:49 PM
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Ahh, you learn something new each day. I guess your last quote threw me off. That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:31 PM
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I disagree, if anything women’s increasing standards have been normalized with little pushback from society. Both men and women tell men who complain about unrealistic standards to “git gud”, or that it’s a “skill issue” way more than you see towards women. Complain that women expect young men unrealistic incomes in a fraught economic environment? Brokie. Complain that only the most attractive men get attention on dating apps? Incel. Complain that height standards can invalidate whole swathes of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:09 PM
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For the most part, yes, social media has created unrealistic expectations in women regarding the men they date. When you say that though, usually you get a lot of pushback for that, because you’re trying to “humble” women or whatever. When you’re talking to a woman she’s not only comparing you to other men in her social circle or local community, she’s comparing you to tinder matches 30 miles away, and influencers thousands of miles away. Social media has made people generally less happy, but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:03 PM
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Okay, but this topic largely revolves around people in the western world, which largely doesn’t punish (socially or legally) sexual exploration to the degree that it would deter large numbers of people from doing it. So for the purposes of this conversation, this is fact. And libido is a major factor in why younger people sleep around more. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:58 PM
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Say a man lied, said he slept with more women than he did, then his partner finds out a year later, sees it as a red flag, and dumps him. You wouldn’t have a problem with that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:56 PM
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So your problem isn’t the behavior as much as the rationalization after the fact? Why did you position lying as the big problem in your OP then? Have some self awareness and critically evaluate your own thoughts before you judge others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:54 PM
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The behavior can be cultural, but there are biological factors baked into that behavior. I can guarantee you a younger person in a sexually conservative country still has more libido than an older person. You’re not wrong to bring up the culture point, just that hormones do play a big role as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:46 PM
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“Prime years” just sounds predatory asf. I don’t know why these men insist on using that. You don’t have to explain to women why you find younger women (legal of course) more attractive anymore than any other preference. Like youth is usually when you’re at your healthiest and most physically able, but there’s no need to put down older women to make that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:38 PM
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How can you disagree it’s hormonal? What’s your reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:26 PM
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Yea, but between younger people and older people, which of these cohorts is more likely to want to date and explore different people? That’s why that behavior is attributed to young people, they do it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:24 PM
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I think where the majority of the debate on this topic stems from is the fact that younger men do not, and are largely unable to, date as many people as they’d like and sleep with as many people as they’d like. You call it younger behavior, but it’s behavior that only certain young men can partake in. Whether it be because they are extremely attractive, really well-off, well connected socially, whatever, that’s the reality. And this is contrasted with the majority of women who can largely sleep …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:22 PM
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First one isn’t an incentive, it’s a punishment. Second one isn’t an incentive, it’s negative reinforcement. Sounds like what a shitty job would say when you complain about not getting a raise even though you do more work than your colleagues. I.E “your reward is that you don’t get fired”. Not very encouraging.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:04 AM
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The only solution is to increase your attractiveness. Clearly none of that other shit matters. Find a specific niche/fandom/social circle, tailor your looks towards that audience. Hope that you find a girl with a good head on her shoulders, and then relax. Gain a few but not too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:50 PM
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That’s exactly what I think. If you’re a man, you have trouble dating, a concrete step you can take is looksmax. Get in the gym, make that jawline pop.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:49 PM
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Men gotta swallow the pill that if they’re not good looking, they gotta bring something else. Pretty privilege is a privilege for a reason. Don’t take it to heart, it just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:45 PM
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Lust, infatuation and short term flings are as human as thinking and breathing. You never having one doesn’t stop you from being able to understand the dynamics, sounds very closed minded. If you’re a man living in the suburbs, you’re not a looker, and you don’t have a car, you’re gonna have a hard time. Most people don’t like doing charity for men who don’t have their shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:41 PM
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I feel like that realization is one of the core things a man has to have to not become a jaded dick. Yea they have it easier, so what? What are you gonna do about it? Cry and complain? Shame them and get angry? Pointless. Accept reality for what it is and navigate it as healthily as you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:37 PM
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Well drug dealers also get fast and easy money, which helps them in maintain a fun laid-back disposition. They’re more in tune with popular culture, often at the leading edge of it, which helps in being exciting. All the drawbacks show up in due time, but a young girl with no life experiences and no critical thinking skills is food for them on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:33 PM
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They don’t knowingly date shitty men, but unless that man is just the greatest liar of all time, there should be warning signs. I think that facebook group lends credence to the thought that women have narrow standards of attractiveness, and men who fit those standards have a glut of options. By no means do they all find the same men attractive, but the more you fit the mold the disproportionately higher amount of options you have. Which should be common sense at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:30 PM
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It’s kind of like shitty jobs versus good ones. There’s always a shitty job out there you can take, and if you’re desperate you’ll take it. A good job takes time, effort and luck to get. And even then you might not get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:27 PM
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They’re only accepting that label now after years of pretty uniform denial, due to social pressures and a need to look like the more “moral” sex. Outright stating looks are the biggest determinant of dating success is still pretty taboo in most social circles, especially irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:24 PM
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Lol let’s be real here, it ain’t dream men we’re talking about. It’s short term flings and infatuations. If you don’t have a form of transportation and don’t live in a big walkable city you’re SOL for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:19 PM
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I mean just take a look at politics. You’ll have Ivy League educated upper-crusters, who will don a cowboy hat and say they have the working man’s best interests in mind. And people eat that shit right up and vote for them in droves. People are easily fooled. When you live in a society that values aesthetics over substance, you get people who take advantage of that for their own gain. And you’re right to blame people for falling for that, we have all the information in the world at our fingertip…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:17 PM
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Like I want these men to sit down for a second and think about it. Between being dogged out by an attractive guy, or being with you, she’d rather choose the former, than you! It’s a tough pill to swallow, and many of these guys just won’t swallow it. Now of course most women would rather be single instead of those two situations, but women also want to date and find love. Rather than contending with the fact they weren’t attractive enough, they create this false narrative where she apparently ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:07 PM
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And they’ll probably eventually wake up and take dating seriously. Probably due to a realization that they’re aging (I’m talking teenage/young adulthood to adulthood), and need to prioritize more important things like having a house to live in, food on the table, and a life that minimizes stress. You’re perfectly within your rights to judge them for that, and they’re perfectly within their rights to make that change for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:47 PM
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People “prefer” nice partners. Just like people “prefer” free healthcare and any other flavor of objectively positive good thing. Yet many people’s actions directly lead to the opposite happening. Somebody with a healthy mindset to dating can turn toxic after dealing with too many other toxic people. One traumatic experience can affect someone for life. I’m not saying women want shitty partners. Most people don’t want that, that’s insane. But there is no overlying incentive to not be a shitty pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:37 PM
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Yup, men do the exact same thing. The differences are easily explained by how society socializes each gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:34 PM
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I don’t know why the guys on here console themselves with the whole “she’s gonna end up single and unhappy” frame of thinking. Atleast women have a choice, many of these guys don’t, but it would be too distressing for them to recognize that. It’s ironic how they’ll recognize that there is no inherent moralistic structure to the world, granting those of higher moral character benefits. But also have this whole “the universe will sort out this power balance” stuff where whores will apparently end …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:22 PM
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Just pointing that there’s little incentive in being a good person in the dating realm. You should be a good person, but incentive structures are powerful. And we should want people to be good. With no incentives in place, you depend on people just wanting to do it, and that’s not reliable. I understand most women online who complain about shitty men aren’t sociologists, but right there is an answer, amongst many others. Instead, we just get broad strokes of “men are trash” takes with no critica…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:15 PM
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And tons of people are in them, how convenient!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 11:28 PM
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You’re overestimating the amount of detail the average man puts into this topic. Truthfully, you’d probably get weird looks in real life if you went into any amount of extensive detail about dating. Both societal pressure, and systemic indifference to critical analysis of social phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:48 AM
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And this can certainly breed insecurity, however it isn’t something done in a malicious manner. Women simply exercise their autonomy and take advantage of the fact men are easy hornballs. They’re operating entirely rationally, and you would do the same if you could. Don’t screw yourself over by getting angry about this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:51 AM
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You don’t get it, every woman who has ever rejected me at the club/dating apps is part of a global cabal of women, with the express goal of denying me sex and only sleeping with Chad/s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:48 AM
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A man can absolutely become more attractive with green flag traits. He still has to surpass the baseline level of attractiveness, and the more he surpasses it the easier the dating process will be for him. Conversely, the less compatible his personality is the less likely anything will come of it. And if it’s really bad she’ll probably want nothing to do with him, attractiveness be damned. Exceptions always exist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:36 AM
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Yea expecting women to respond in a technical manner when asked that question isn’t realistic, since most people don’t think like that. And there a lot of women in the world, meaning practically all types of guys will be attractive to some random woman out there. The question in it of itself is flawed. Why ask random women online what they find attractive? What are you even looking to achieve from that? It’s a futile exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:31 AM
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Shrugs that’s cool. Keep making your impotent arguments. You’ll smash the patriarchy one day and stop the downslide of democracy. I’ve been seeing arguments like yours for almost two decades now, they’ve definitely returned dividends for women’s rights. Like stopping conservative efforts to strip abortion rights. Keep doing exactly what you’re doing, it’ll work eventually!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:28 PM
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No, I provided context to your statement that “who we are before anything is our culture”. I stated that the material is the basis for culture. Thereby justifying my point that you should focus on material advantages that men have over women. If there are no material differences between men and women (I am not making that claim) your argument can easily be countered by conservatives who will just list their own cultural grievances, regardless of how valid they might be. They can point in anger t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:48 PM
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The material informs the culture. That’s how human progress has happened. You don’t get Stone Age Aurignacian culture in a tropical environment. The climate you live in is material, informing the types of foods you can grow, informing culinary staples in your culture. Technological improvements are material, freeing up member of society to assume more specialized roles. Without the technological advancements in the 20th century, do you think societies would be as open to progress as they were? T…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:19 PM
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Definitely, you make a great point. If I was socially and developmentally challenged and knew the only way I’d get a gf is if I looked like a stud I’d feel some type of way about that. Envy in that way makes total sense too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:04 PM
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Yes, and it’s incredibly important. But a lot of men on here are dishonest about the fact that’s all they care about. Just as women need to be honest that they value looks on the same level as men, men on here need to be honest about the fact they just want to get their dicks wet. The envy surrounding the pretty privilege attractive men are afforded makes sense if you hold sex in high regard. If you also hold relationships in high regard, then it’s a lot easier to cope with the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:58 PM
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Sorry, I wasn’t accusing you directly. I was referring generally to how people speak of men who struggle dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:55 PM
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You make valid points regarding how the clinical medicine is biased towards men. Those I don’t have a problem with. However your cultural grievances have no bearing on the material reality women face today, and how that contrasts with men. A woman’s ability to find her matrilineal history has no bearing on whether she can get a job. Neither does “penises being seen as standard” or “male terms being used as neutral”. This is the shit privileged college kids think is the most important shit in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:51 PM
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There’s plenty of sociopaths and psychopaths that do not want for women. Why then, is the first BP reaction always to accuse the man of not being a good person? Why not let that be confirmed before jumping to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:25 PM
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So why immediately jump to accusing a man he’s a piece of shit, if he can’t attract a partner? Obviously that isn’t true since these are “human things”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:23 PM
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This works in many other areas. People in the west always complain about their politicians, but they keep voting for the same types personalities that make poor politicians. You’re usually not going to win office being bookish, technical and reserved. And the same goes for corporations and businesses, the knowledgeable engineers/craftsman who value substance will always lose out to flashy charismatic MBAs who are more social. Guess who makes more money, gets a C-Suite and jet sets across the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:10 PM
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But they’re not typically initially attracted by those tendencies, unless the sociopath also has a high EQ. Or unless they are of similar mental frame and are pieces of shit themselves. They’re typically attracted in the scenario you put forth because the guy makes bank, or because the guy looks like a model. All of those qualities that make him a shit person eventually come out and the relationship usually fails. Lots of men on this sub only care about the dynamics surrounding the initial attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:59 PM
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It’s not that they are incapable, but that plenty of people on this sub immediately jump to that assumption. Imagine you’re an unattractive dude struggling with dating, and when you voice your frustration you’re immediately told it’s because you’re a piece of shit. Like how is that a reasonable way to approach the dating hellscape so many people are in right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:54 PM
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This specific area is where the BP argument dies. The RP argument dies for other reasons, but the BP notion that sexual success is tied to some moral aspect is not at all how the world works. That the first assumption to make when a man has trouble dating is that it must be tied to something about him personally is cruel. Naive at best, actively harmful and toxic at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:51 PM
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The insecurity lies in the fact that men rarely get validation on how physically attractive they are. In fact, women state very clearly that most men aren’t attractive to them, which is perfectly fine. But when you’re constantly facing rejection, it can definitely start to make you doubt yourself and breed insecurity. You can’t understand why a hypothetical guy would feel insecure over the fact that while he was on a multi-month/year long dry spell, rejections aplenty, his now-partner was having…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:26 PM
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Literally developmentally challenged men are being labeled incels for complaining about valid aspects of their dating lives lol. Unless the guy is a raging misogynist calling for state mandated girlfriends just let the guy vent lol the same way we let women vent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:43 AM
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I’ll go tell that to my 57 year old coworker currently going through divorce with his young Filipina wife. She tooootalllyyy wanted him for him and not for the benefits of his position in life. OP’s argument is predicated on the fact that most people meeting today are on far more equal ground than in the past. Leading to women exercising more freedom in who they choose, leading to unsuitable men remaining single. Look man at the end of the day I won’t knock you for adapting and making the most o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:04 AM
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Looks are the primary measure of attraction though. What a dishonest way of engaging in discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:03 AM
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Please explain how a population drop will lead to more women being willing to settle down? Barring an extreme shift in legal rights for women, the problem will just become worse as economic conditions worsen, ala South Korea. You live by individualism you die by it, I.E the worse things get the more people isolate, leaving no time for traditional methods of people meeting each other. More shallow and lifeless online dating where looks trumps all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:01 AM
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Self-improvement in the form of maximizing your physical attractiveness can improve your initial chances with women. Real, material changes like that help. Anything else is mostly useless drivel, particularly in our current moment where most people meet in some form of online medium. Social ties, mindset and “personality” matter less than they ever have, but still matter somewhat. The same way you can increase your income by getting a degree and making yourself a competitive applicant. You will …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:55 PM
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Sure you can frame this as a business transaction, but let’s not pretend it’s a transaction on equal footing. The first world passport these fellas hold affords them immense leverage in this transaction. And let’s not kid ourselves, these men aren’t pursuing mainly middle income women in these countries. Even if they were, they often target poorly developed countries with standards of living below what is typical in the western world. She’s probably getting with you because she wants some of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:49 PM
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As the standard of living increases in formerly poor countries, the desire for musty greasy hornballs from the 1st world conversely decreases. Passport bros’ strategy entirely relies on coercion, in the form of monetary compensation for women with no education or ability to transcend their own low class position in already impoverished nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:06 PM
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Looks, then stability are all you need. Pretty privilege has an even more pronounced effect for men, since most men never register on most womens’ radar. It’s not foolproof by any measure but you’ll sure as hell get your foot through a lot of doors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:02 PM
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It’s entitlement when men complain, a societal problem needing activism when women complain. I should care when fat women complain that men make them feel invisible or unwanted, and sneer with contempt when an autistic man says the same thing. This hypocritical frame of thinking surely won’t foster feelings of resentment with political ramifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:51 PM
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Men want to fuck them, it’s that simple. All that other shit you’re saying has no purchase. It’s not due to whatever intrinsic gender essentialist garbage you’re trying to sell. The fact you even feel comfortable saying something like this using pure conjecture should make you feel ashamed of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:46 PM
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Because you have to be tactful and diplomatic, lest you be labeled an incel and a misogynist. There’s levels to this shit, and I have respect for women generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:41 PM
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This form of content (along with pop the balloon videos and others), is worse than trash. Making society wide commentaries using shit like this as your basis just shows me you need to go outside and touch grass. Like the thought of someone watching this staged ass shit and legitimately getting mad is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:16 PM
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Debate deez nuts brochacho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:18 AM
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How is this post meant to elicit any debate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 09:50 AM
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That’s smart of you to prepare for downvotes cuz what you said added nothing to the conversation. You accused me of “projecting” and then just forgot to actually critique any of my points or prove how I’m “projecting”. Cuz you’re lazy lol. I provided ample reason, critique the points or cry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 03:04 AM
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Nothing in my post ever indicated that women also don’t experience this. Simply that the standards men are held to are more narrow standard. Work on reading comprehension skills please
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:13 PM
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Who cares if it’s natural or not. What does that even have to do with this? Blonde hair is absolutely Eurocentric. What other continent has them other than tiny pockets in like Micronesia? I feel like I’m talking to Jennifer Coolidge rn lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 02:11 PM
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Seeing how my girl-friends use dating apps, it’s like a menu lol. “Yes, no, no, yes, ehhh may-no”. That’s how most people use them! They don’t encourage you to take any deep meaningful deliberation. The most vapid surface level medium to date with! Do you seriously think the way you approach this is the way most other people approach these platforms? Is that what you’re arguing? Because otherwise I don’t really care, I didn’t ask for how you approach dating apps specifically. Like dude you’re li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 02:05 PM
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Anything can be a turn-off. I just doubt most women are rejecting a guy just because he has blonde hair, which is a Eurocentric feature a lot of people like
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 02:03 PM
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There’s no telling whether a guy will treat you right or wrong beyond what you can already glean from his character and personality. Specifically choosing a guy who you think will “treat you better” because his face might not be as “pretty” isn’t a fool-proof method lol. But hey, you’re unique in that sense. Most people date for looks first and then are kept by personality. I’ve seen women on this subreddit say they’d rather get burned by a hottie than by the ugly guy they gave a chance. I don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:56 PM
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Yup, a good face card can afford you insane amounts of pretty privilege. But if you’re too short for her, which can happen, there’s nothing to be done about that. Plenty of other fish in the sea. And there are women who still like their men to atleast be a certain height, do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:52 PM
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A tall blonde man is not having any problems dating. Anybody who’s been in a frat/sorority can tell you that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:50 PM
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It’s common sense! If you don’t find someone attractive, why would their personality matter in the context of dating? Dating is all about attraction! You can’t negotiate that and you shouldn’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:49 PM
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Men are held to narrower beauty standards (I.E tall, symmetrical Eurocentric features, good skin, functionally athletic etc). The further a man deviates from them, the harder dating will be. Nobody should say women are all attracted to the same men, but the sticking point is that most women have a very narrow range of men they find attractive, while most men have a wider range. This isn’t a bad thing, it isn’t a value statement, it’s just reality. Online dating has only exacerbated this since wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:47 PM
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I don’t know why they conveniently ignore how stifling male beauty standards can be. There are “ideal” looks to have that are more than just aesthetic choices like clothes. Not fitting that norm doesn’t mean you’ll die alone, but the further away you are, the harder it’ll be. Those standards, like you said, are not 1:1 between all women, but often shares similar characteristics. And those characteristics with regard to men, like you said, are narrower than for women. It’s really not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:36 PM
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Women like attractive men. Male beauty standards tend towards being taller, not average height, although average height doesn’t mean there won’t be women who find you attractive. If you’re short though, that might be a problem. Just like how female beauty standards at one point were to be stick thin, but the thick ladies were still getting love too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:33 PM
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Lol, a blonde tall guy is probably gonna do just fine. I doubt he’ll face any significant dating troubles due solely to the color of his hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:32 PM
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Looks, especially in big 25’, are the first filter in any dating situation. Women are the one’s filtering, they have the “power” in the sense men are expected to do the courting and also hornier and more desperate. Dating apps are the primary way young people meet now. Dating apps are also almost entirely predicated on looks. So there’s “more to looks”, but if your looks aren’t immediately what she wants none of that other shit matters. That’s the point being made here I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:30 PM
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Because the norm for the past like two decades in online discourse has been that women are less shallow than men. That personality matters more to them, simplistically, with no caveats other than condescending “brush your teeth and take a shower” advice. That the central reason a guy might struggle dating is because of his personality, rather than a more balanced realistic view. Notions that women are just as shallow as men, and in fact find a narrower proportion of men attractive were met with …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:13 PM
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Only one girl has ever asked me for my bodycount before we were already physical. Maybe shits changed though shit always changing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:03 AM
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Like most things, it’s somewhere in the middle. I remember a tweet I saw before along the lines of “people always want to make definitive statements on social topics, idk man I think it just depends”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:45 PM
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Pity and empathy accomplishes nothing when being asked for from those without the capacity or want to alleviate whatever troubles are being experienced. Especially when those troubles are about not getting sex or a relationship, a tiny air bubble in an ocean of bigger problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:42 PM
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Totally reasonable. Where we differ imo, and you’ll probably hate me saying this, is that I’d also assume that guy isn’t good looking enough to where his personality doesn’t matter. Because there absolutely are women out there, just like men, who give enormous amounts of grace to men if they’re attractive enough. Kind of like how a rich person can afford to make far more financial mistakes than a poor person. I think that’s a moot point but what do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:05 AM
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I dunno man I think it depends
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:58 AM
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I ain’t reading all that lol, be blessed brother
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:57 AM
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Great, I’m not one of those seething incel RPers that think women just want to be with “Chad”. But I also don’t believe the whole “Your personality is why you aren’t getting dates” jargon that’s been popular to push from BPers either. Sometimes mfers are just ugly or unlucky, or both. The whole metaphysical “personality trumps all” narrative seems to me a lot like “Pull yourself up by your bootstraps” rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:54 AM
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Which is? I’m not familiar with what happened between Stalin and Trotsky
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:44 AM
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Is it a commonly held belief that women are less shallow than men? Is it a commonly held belief that men are more shallow than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:43 AM
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Women care about looks just as much as men, particularly younger millenials and Gen Z. It presents itself in a different but similar way to men. Just be honest and admit that. Personality absolutely plays a role, probably a lot more for women than men, but you guys are just as initially shallow as us. It’s okay to admit that, the truth won’t hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:41 AM
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Absolutely, it’s impossible to know what will happen in the next 40 years, but you can damn sure use the past to make a reasonable assumption. It’s reasonable to assume that a significant drop in home and office prices will lead to significant economic damage. We have the 2008 recession as a case study for this. Investors get scared, they pull their money out, the economy collapses. Jobs that are lost aren’t easy to get back, and our economic rivals aren’t going to just let us get back on our fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:37 AM
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And then you hide behind “oh you were talking to different people” as if it isn’t perfectly acceptable to make blanket statement on men! It’s amazing how dishonest you are, it literally costs you nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:29 AM
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Nobody is shocked. We’re making a critique of the way people commonly talk about dating. That the popular reasons women would give in the past for why a man might not be successful were blatantly false and misleading. Nobody is “shocked”, in fact you guys called men incels for pointing this shit out just a few years ago! This constant misrepresenting shit is tiring. You just won’t confront the fact that BP people were simply talking out of their ass. Does it cause you distress?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:28 AM
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Yea, when they killed Árbenz it was done in the name of socialism right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:20 AM
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Depends on what you mean by “better” since home prices falling significantly will probably trigger another recession for God knows how long. And that’s assuming they actually drop, rather than a stagflation scenario where everything stays high, but people don’t have jobs and can’t afford food.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:09 AM
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Great answer, reasonable and moral goal! Which economic class do you think contributes the most to corruption? How can we fix this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:05 AM
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The state still controls the banks, dictates where investments go, and nationalizes all critical industries. They’re not Soviet by any means, for good reason. We saw what happened to those guys. However, their govt leverages far more power over the rich than yours does. And you see how they’re progressing. I’m not making any definitive statements here, just observing reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:54 AM
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There’s a country to the east of yours with a similar population that, also, employs a model similar to the one you addressed in your OP. They have less wealth inequality than yours, higher home ownership rates, higher national GDP, higher electrification rates, a currency stronger than yours, a better military on and on and on. Lol, I’m sure you can figure out what I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:48 AM
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No. What do you think the solution is to the current economic troubles? I’m sure you asked that question in good faith, and will presumably engage my question in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:46 AM
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What country are you from, if you feel comfortable sharing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:37 AM
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“The system” is ever evolving and ever changing. The economic conditions from even a decade ago are entirely different from now. Not happening lol. In fact, I’d wager that wealthy folks will consolidate even more wealth in the near future if trends continue (which they will cuz of people like you). I’m sure at some point we’ll reach a magical number, maybe 99% of wealth in the hands of the 1%, and then they’ll decide to reinvest in society. That is if there’s even a society left by then, rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:36 AM
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Low effort, false dichotomy. Should we give the rich more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:31 AM
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I mean you don’t need to have kids. Highly dubious about the 30% of men thing, in fact I’d say you’re dead wrong on that. House prices are cheap where you live for now and you better pray to God they keep rising or you’ll probably lose your job and your home. But totally man, we need to give the rich even more. The reason the economy’s so bad right now is because we haven’t given them enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:30 AM
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Poors do not have a better life today than they did 20 years ago lol. Not even 5 years ago lol. Take a look at the jobs report, inflation (including house prices, commodities, electricity etc), car insurance premium, healthcare, housing costs you name it. Join me in reality brother
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:25 AM
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Your children probably aren’t gonna be able to afford a house. You’ll probably blow through whatever paltry sum you can save for retirement on end of life care. But hey, atleast you can say you defended people richer than God. Good chap, let’s hope the next hospital visit you have isn’t in one owned by a private equity firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:21 AM
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Totally man, we should give the rich even more money. It’ll give us the extra kick in the ass to work even harder with less. You’re a real go getter, a real workhorse. Working 80 hours and barely affording anything really works up the libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:18 AM
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Lol, have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:14 AM
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Yes, I will disagree lol. The entire impetus for “NotAllMen” was for exactly that reason. Please join me in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:44 AM
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I agree, which is why I’m pointing out the hypocrisy. I certainly don’t paint women with a broad brush. Maybe you shouldn’t defend it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:55 PM
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You made that implication. A more constructive comment would’ve been “Men also want to have their cake and eat it too, don’t forget that” or something along those lines. I personally wouldn’t have found any problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 05:53 PM
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“So you hate waffles?” ass comment lol. Nobody said that, I’ll be the first dude to say tons of men hold contradictory and hypocritical views. It’s not a zero sum game, both sides working on each other helps each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 05:45 PM
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This, it largely comes down to luck. Expecting everyone to equally get a partner when you account for differences in attractiveness, readiness to date, mental state, financial status etc etc just isn’t possible. There are millions of “unattractive” men who find partners and are in loving relationships, largely because the stars aligned in that sense. I feel like our culture would benefit from eastern religions and their concept of “fortune”. Because a lot of this is purely entropic and chaotic, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:13 AM
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No I said it’s a distraction, and a waste of time. But what else are people gonna do? Critically examine the root causes? Not happening lol, people are gonna keep pointing fingers and blaming each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:04 PM
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I don’t think the barrier is that harsh when you consider all women. Like many women say on this sub, the proportion of men they find attractive may be narrow but it certainly differs woman to woman. Barring physical deformities or mental handicap, most men will lie somewhere in that attractiveness threshold for some number of women. It might take some time and a bit of luck, but imo it isn’t drastic enough to where you’d have some fabled incel revolt. Now of course it isn’t as simple as Boolean…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:22 AM
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Having that effect stripped directly threatens the moral superiority aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:36 AM
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It’s a pseudo Boolean dynamic. First logic gate: Are you attractive enough? If that’s 0 then nothing else matters, the rest of the code doesn’t execute, along with all of the ensuing variables. This should be common knowledge to everyone but apparently it isn’t. It’d make life a lot easier for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:33 AM
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The gender war is just an extension of the culture war which is entirely predicated on aesthetics and caricatures. It’s ultimately a distraction but yea, what the hell else are we gonna do with our time?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:30 AM
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Incredible defense, because the ideology is splintered amongst a million different flavors it entirely inoculates it from any criticism. Remarkable, I wish this worked when men stated we all aren’t rapists and chauvinists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:14 AM
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This, it takes a real special piece of shit to lay his hands on his partner. Most dudes just emotionally check out and fail their partner in an equally painful, but non-violent way. Great post
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:56 AM
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If your politics are hyper gender-partisan, you’re a reactionary. If you think anything and everything women-oriented is automatically good, you’re a reactionary. The right-wing has used that exact rhetoric to bomb foreign countries and dehumanize non-white males. Critical thinking skills are necessary to make sure you don’t become a reactionary, even for ostensibly left wing ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:57 PM
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Sure, you might not be a scold but you’re definitely reactionary. I don’t know how your first thought on this situation could be that it’s due to misogyny, rather than financial. The NBA has intensified their efforts to market the WNBA with the emergence of stars like Caitlyn Clark. Regular everyday men on social media have also been stepping up their efforts to give the league more attention. Yet it’s women who have never played organized sports and who barely watch sports in general who are at…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:50 PM
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I’m glad you picked up on the contempt in my tone. I’m not sure what that second paragraph means though, is not all men a sufficient argument in your eyes? For the past decade I’ve been told it doesn’t suffice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:59 AM
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I’m sorry Lilith but this is 2025. You need to updates your arguments and rhetoric to reflect how much the cultural landscape has changed. You seem perpetually stuck in 2012
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:32 AM
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Oh so I’m sure you’d accept the “not all men” argument as well, since you’re a measured unbiased person acting in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:58 PM
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But no you don’t get it, the patriarchy! It absolves feminists of all responsibility when it comes to accurately representing reality. They can tie you in with rapists and murderers, but god forbid you tie them in with hypocrites and cynical opportunists. You can never critique them unless you know all of them and every one of their niche positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:50 PM
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Lol, got it. So men have to know every single feminist to make generalized statements on them, but feminists do not because of the patriarchy. If I said everyone in bumfuck, Mississippi was a christofascist and you live in bumfuck Mississippi and aren’t one, you shouldn’t take offense because Christians currently hold immense power in congress and the Supreme Court. A hit dog is hollering! Except no, you’re still obligated to specify your statements if you expect the other party to specify their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:46 PM
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Not knowing every man on earth never stopped feminists from making blanket statements on us. Stop brow beating and argue the guy’s points on their merits. You know what you’re demanding is impossible, argue in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:32 PM
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Yea so you can randomly attribute anything bad men say or do against women automatically to misogyny/patriarchy, regardless of declared intent, but we need to be oh so super careful to make sure we’re critiquing the right flavor of feminism out of the like 50 different subgroups. I gotta make sure I’m critiquing Marxist feminism in this case, or radical liberal feminism in this case, or trans exclusive radical feminism in that case. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:26 PM
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Feminists themselves tie anything good that women do as evidence of feminisms success. Anytime protests happen anywhere with women as the forefront it is immediately tied to feminism, regardless of the political motives. Notable women from the past are automatically included in the feminist historical narrative. So why wouldn’t the reverse also happen? As if men as a collective aren’t also tied in with rabid incels, abusive husbands, sexual predators, manospherians and much more. Cry about it th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:19 PM
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It’s deeper than supply and demand but certainly not in the way these incurious reaction-prone scolds think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:17 PM
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There isn’t “an argument”, that’s the truth, that is reality. Thankfully they’re taking steps as a collective to get more from their ownership and have amazing stars like Caitlyn Clark, Angel Reese and Paige Bueckers, but if you think they’ll ever be paid anywhere near the men you’re really mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:06 PM
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“It’s not the same” it doesn’t have to be a one-to-one comparison tho. In that arrangement, assuming they’re married, the woman benefits tremendously from not having to have a fucking job. You know how bad jobs suck? Literally free from any financial obligations and stress. The man loses all “power” in the event of divorce or financial troubles anyways, providing balance somewhat. If you’re trying to argue that because they’re “not the same” that means one is “less bad” you need to look inwardly…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:56 PM
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You’re attempting to frame this conversation in a way to downplay the harm of women’s gendered expectations whilst accurately pointing out the harm of men’s expectations. Literally doing exactly what OP described. What do you mean “just existing as a tall person”? That’s not what’s happening. There’s intense pressure on men to meet this largely (pun intended) unrealistic gendered expectation, since most men aren’t tall. There’s a whole grotesque industry now preying on insecure men to break thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:16 PM
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You’re a hypocrite, that’s okay. Just own it tho
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:51 PM
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Women spend more frequently though. Our economy is structured quarter to quarter. If sales dip for two quarters they start to lose their minds. Meaning women are a valuable short-term (and most economic activity is considered in the short term nowadays) consumer base
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:48 PM
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It’s a losing argument to try and say women aren’t the ones who largely want to decorate and furnish apartments lol. That’s they’re not the ones who primarily make frequent small purchases for consumer goods. Just doesn’t reflect reality at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:44 PM
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Can you be more specific with what you mean by “shopping for families” atleast pertaining to people 35 and under, who largely aren’t starting families as often as older generations did. The original comment you replied to slightly stinks of loathing for women, but I also feel like you’re ignoring how companies do market overconsumption to women, particularly regarding clothing, and smaller price tag purchases. Many times in women spaces online you see “treating oneself” marketed towards women fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:38 PM
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I agree, this focus on “Men vs Women” with men as a cohesive block and women as a cohesive block doesn’t reflect reality. We are all in different circumstances financially and different regions, leading to different life experiences. Treating men or women as a monolith is lazy and a cop-out to actually analyzing gender relations on a real and material basis. The probable reality is that the current ever-evolving system we live in wants us to fight each other. It profits off us in numerous ways, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:32 PM
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Yes, misogyny creates more misandrists. It’s a doom cycle where gender relations in general deteriorate. That’s why some describe it as a “gender war”. Nobody really wins in war, except those that profit on the sidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:30 PM
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No serious institution is doing a comprehensive study on misandry. Who would fund that? You’d probably alienate yourself from your colleagues as well, given it’s a pretty taboo topic. I know you’re acting in bad faith and that’s cool and all so imma leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:27 PM
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This is how the majority of people operate. Anything else trying to describe most people is idealist nonsense or blackpill agitation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:15 AM
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You can’t just make a broad statement like “the unorganized rabble are not any more unorganized than different sub groups of other ideologies”. Im not even asking for examples because it’s such an impossible thing to say, you can’t measure that. I get where you’re coming from and honestly my criticism was childish and a reach, so I won’t complain. I’m not a misogynist, I’m just a crank who likes to argue online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:08 AM
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Projection. And you didn’t attack my position. Great discussion have a great day
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:41 PM
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You sound like a 40 year old manchild. Women are more complex than that, in fact, they are just as complex as you if even moreso. This black and white thinking doesn’t reflect reality, so you’ll continually be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:07 AM
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There’s more to life than sleeping with a bunch of women. You should support women’s liberation because it will help you materially. Your life will become easier with political reforms and cultural changes. Your life will not become better by being a bitter loser who’s resentful that women have it easier in one of the categories they collectively don’t even care about that much. You adopt zero-sum thinking which directly harms the “average man” through increased mistrust and anger from women. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:04 AM
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A lot of these guys are in it just to get laid at the end of the day. When you tell them that their one singular goal isn’t going to bring them satisfaction they predictably react in dumb ways. These guys need to get a grip, but a lot of them are lost causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:02 AM
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I haven’t by the way. I’ve maintained a principled position from the onset of this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:58 AM
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Okay, let’s all individually solve problems that have societal implications! That should surely go smoothly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:56 AM
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Feminism in 2025 is mostly online. We don’t have massive women’s marches, or huge legislative pushes for feminist goals. The democrats did drop the ball, but feminism eagerly got subsumed in the party rhetoric. It reflects poorly that they were easily assimilated like that, with no ability to affect any positive change from within the party framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:49 AM
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The warping and branching off into different sub units is a direct indictment on it. An unorganized rabble with no central plan or goal in mind. Capitalists largely hold one thing in mind, profits, and they have vast arrays of mechanisms to ensure that goal is reached. The same can be said for “democracy” although that is currently being challenged right now. Can the same be said for feminists? With none of that present they’re no different from a religion, like the one you referenced: Buddhism.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:42 AM
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Here’s what I think is a “realist” perspective on this: Women have a good reason to fear random men. Men present a threat to women through pure physical violence and that is more than enough to justify that. If I was a woman I would absolutely fear and loathe men to a reasonable extent. Women, as a collective, do not have the political or military capabilities to impose a reality onto men, as a collective. In 2025, men also do not have the ability to impose a reality onto women that resembles pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:31 AM
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I’m not even defending OP, that self righteous “We’ve been too nice to you” shit just sets me off ig. Who’s y’all? What women were being too nice? When did this happen? Do the past events mean that future reconciliation is impossible? If you wanna maintain a position that reconciliation between genders is impossible because men in the past overwhelmingly oppressed women, you close the door to a future where things can ever get better. You solidify yourself in a position of antagonism that’ll nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 05:48 AM
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Here you go with the nebulous “y’all”. You’re not referencing anything concrete, just vibes based nonsense you made up in your head
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:06 PM
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Oh you’re absolutely right, women almost never check their rabid counterparts on social media. Rhetoric that goes as far as “kill all men” and “abort male babies” gets little to no pushback. I guess they don’t understand how bad the counter reaction could be under the right (wrong) circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:01 PM
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A lot of the more extremist anti-male rhetoric you’ll see online comes from teenagers and young women. Both of which don’t have the fully developed mental faculties to understand how their actions online don’t happen in a vacuum
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:52 PM
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Moving on from feminism doesn’t mean abandoning everything about it that worked. It means optimizing, taking what worked and cutting the excess fat. Which for me is the constant agitation on gendered lines, lack of class analysis, and overly belligerent stance. The “something new” absolutely must keep the spirit of feminism within it, whilst focusing on a new, winning combination of rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:39 PM
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I know, I like talking like this though. Nobody truly knows what this shit means, niggas jus be sayin shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:34 PM
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McCarthy would label someone a communist if he got a sniff that they weren’t entirely loyal to the US. That’s what you’re doing, but for incels. My post made you angry or attacked, so you called me an incel. Oh wait I mean you said my post has “incel elements” or whatever. Anyways I’m done here, enjoy this block
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:16 PM
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Moving on from feminism does not mean taking women’s rights away. Read my reply to you and the OP again. You’re engaging with me holding a fundamental misunderstanding of my position
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:09 PM
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This is what is known as a “negative choice” and manipulative bastards like to ignore the distinction between negative choices and positive choices. A negative choice is akin to an ultimatum. Any rational party will likely acquiesce to the demands and “choose” to play their part. “You have the freedom to not work, you’ll just be homeless as a result. That’s your choice though”. No, that isn’t a choice for anybody who isn’t overtly suicidal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:28 AM
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They’re amorphous terms used flippantly by unserious and unacademic people. One of the pitfalls of mass communication is that any idiot that hears a new idea can parrot it however they like. Like the telephone game but digitally, with potentially massive political implications
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:22 AM
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My conjecture-laden theory is that the current administration is reversing women’s right in part because 4th wave liberal feminism has been an abject failure; atleast for anything other than integrating women into white collar work. More women billionaires, more women military officers, more women CEOs who will ultimately be insulated from any claw-backs of women’s rights. They had popular support for years and yet couldn’t stop the reversal of roe v wade? Women are dying right now from preventa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:16 AM
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The world is an object, wherein events and ideas do not happen in a vacuum. You can say women shouldn’t care about red pill men, but their ideas disperse into society and have real material effects. The same can be said for my critiques of feminism, and why I think it is important that they be combatted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:04 AM
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So you’re engaging in McCarthyism. I hope you realize that doesn’t make you look good. Accusing me of being an incel, even as I’ve made strenuous efforts to distance myself from that tells me you’re either unserious or you’re trolling. Get bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:01 AM
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I’m not sure whether you’re a rabid anti communist right now or a diehard tankie. You guys basically sound the same when it comes to China. China survived while the USSR died a slow sad death. Get over it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:28 AM
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If you EXPECT somebody else to pay for your food you are FREELOADING. You’re not cute, you’re not just a dainty little girl, you are a grown ass adult. Pay for your own shit or find somebody who does. All that other shit like applying moralistic garbage to your self-interested wants is not needed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:45 PM
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China would like a word with you. I’m not a Marxist but they’re eating our lunch right now. And they don’t have a rabid subset of feminists vying to gunk up everything with gender agitation. Our founding fathers never brushed their teeth, scratched their balls and their forehead in the same breath, and were primitive compared to how we are now. I doubt looking back to them will fix the problems of today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:41 PM
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Feminists are ideologically captured by the same forces they supposedly fight against. Doomed to perpetuate the same patriarchal capitalist system that supposedly chains them to the kitchen pregnant. Their inability to address the importance of class/wealth is proof of this. As if there aren’t women billionaires right now angling to force poorer women to birth children for the gig economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:40 PM
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Those are things that would cost feminists nothing to address, but their ideology forbids them to ever concede that men face challenges that are unique and different from women. The ideology demands that they frame even the most niche male problems under the lens of how it compares to women. Pointless thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:37 PM
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Women having equal rights absolutely does not take away from men. In fact your interests are directly aligned with women. You have woman colleagues, family members, community members etc that all contribute to the economy you depend on for the roof over your head and the food in your mouth. Failing to consider this is directly doing the exact same thing the rapid feminists you hate do. You are engaging in zero-sum thinking, crabs in a bucket. If you and everyone else does not adjust we’ll end up…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:35 PM
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The most important thing is to increase the general conditions for all. Increased material conditions in conjunction with a sympathetic yet firm directing of young men is far more effective than labeling them threats and forcing people to choose sides between man and woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:59 PM
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I see posts all the time about how we have to “deal” with the “problem” of young men. Establishing an adversarial relationship from the very beginning. Who is that for? Who is meant to be convinced and changed by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:58 PM
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I agree, and I don’t mean coddle little boys and young men and make excuses for them. But give them something to believe in, because things look bleak right now. Make them understand that women’s rights don’t come at the expense of their own happiness. The commenter below you is a prime example of what not to do. Pointlessly divisive nonsense with no clear motive other than anger and grievance. Reactionaries thrive in that exact sort of environment, so I just can’t understand why they do it. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:54 PM
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Completely unproductive rhetoric that has been politically toxic for more than a decade now. Shove your snide remarks up a dark place. Women are losing their rights right now and you offer no solutions. Just constant chastisement. You’ve been politically dominated by the dumbest slopfluencers and conservatives. You should feel ashamed at your uselessness
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:51 PM
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I dunno ask our default societal norms that men are largely still beholden to
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:46 PM
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It tackled some real problems with young men. The parallels/differences between the son and father were heartbreaking. We definitely need effective strategies to curb the radicalization of young men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:51 PM
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How the neurons in your brain connected to come to this conclusion, I will never understand. You know it’s just because you wanna freeload. No need to project intentions on to them that more accurately describes the men who wine and dine women often.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:47 PM
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The sexual comment was uncalled for and disgusting but Christ sake pay for your own food. And then they wanna be judgmental like they don’t have their hand out looking for freebies
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:43 PM
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WHITE BRITISH politicians are all friends with rapists and groomers. The child of the late queen was friends with one of the most prolific pedophiles in human history. Same for the president of the US. WHITE BRITISH nonces are charged every single day. The rich rape children right under your nose but you’d rather focus on poor brown people because you are a coward. You derisively state “religion of peace” as if Christianity didn’t lead to millions of people dying in India, the americas and every…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:00 PM
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I don’t agree with you, and I know you’re using this as a Trojan horse, but I’ll humor you. What is the solution in your eyes? What exactly do you want to be done? How should we modify our “attitudes” to make sure this doesn’t happen again? Don’t be shy. I’ve seen this song and dance a million times before. Hierarchy of oppression right? Some get to get away with rape? How do we fix that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:50 PM
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Yea and let’s paint entire groups of people, many fleeing from war torn countries that your country bombed into mayhem. Like there aren’t white British nonces being caught every single day. Conservative-media slopfluencers like Sargon have been pushing this shit for over 10 years. Give it a break
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:29 PM
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Ehh, he’s clearly angling towards migrant rape gangs or whatever. The dumbest 12 year old with a computer could point that out to you. I didn’t “agree with the premise” because the premise is based on conservative-media slop. I simply pointed out groups that weren’t predicated on racially-based fear mongering. Try again buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:19 AM
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True, humans aren’t robots that view life through only one ideological lens. But my post is directed towards those who, whether explicitly or implicitly, apply a feminist lens to political topics that pertain to gender and society writ large. And you’re also right that feminists currently aren’t very organized, which is another issue as well. But, that ties into my point that they haven’t brought the results they aimed to. Because even 10 years ago we had massive movements like women’s march, me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:16 AM
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You mean the politicians you vote for, right? Or the influencers that kids listen to? Could you expand on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:25 AM
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“Women cause patriarchy with their sexual choices” is a schizophrenic lie made in your own head. Enjoy arguing with yourself. If you’re not capable of understanding nuance I’m sure as hell not gonna teach it to you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:58 PM
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“Your initial claim is that men were bigger than women due to sexual selection” Wow, you completely made that up. You are arguing with yourself, incredible. My post is about social and political phenomena, nothing to do with “sexual selection” in any anthropological sense. Can’t have a discussion with you when you evidently misunderstood from the very beginning. Go back and read my post very slowly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:54 PM
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“Compared to all of our closest relatives” yea let’s compare ourselves to gorillas who fling shit and bonobos who eat shit. Evo-psych nonsense. Women’s dating choices genetically affecting “sexual dimorphism” is something you see over multiple generations. Imperceptible in one humans lifetime. My point: Picking a partner based on their masculine traits has the downstream effect of propping up the same patriarchy we all want to smash down. Don’t want to do it? That’s fine, just know it’s negative…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:27 PM
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Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:21 PM
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Your attraction (generally), based on masculine traits, directly helps to bolster the patriarchy whether you like it or not. Expecting men to fit a traditionally masculine mold whilst also expecting them to treat you as an equal is, in my eyes, a contradiction that should be interrogated. If you see what I’m saying, and take it as me, a married man, advocating for state mandated girlfriends (cannot believe I typed that out) you and I will never see eye to eye
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:17 PM
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Saying I “buried incel shit” in my post is tantamount to calling me an incel. Stand on business and own that. You called me an incel, I’m not, get bent (respectfully)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:09 PM
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In the real world, single moms and obese women do not want for romantic partners. Like it’s insane to me how desperate men are, but that’s the state of things and how it’s always been. This isn’t a value statement. Women get offers from men they wouldn’t date, with the occasional offer from a man they would date. You forgot that part. Men generally have to approach, women have more leeway and usually don’t as a result. Because approaching sucks. It isn’t fun if you’re not like a sociopath or som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:08 PM
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Completely immaterial to the fact women have most of the power in dating. Very few men have the ability to attract women without putting a measurable amount of effort into doing it. The women on the subreddit claim all the time how they are inundated with offers, why would any socially significant portion of them approach men with this being true?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:54 PM
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Yea, don’t do what you don’t want to do and find yourself single at 45 because you never took chances, and the opposite gender sure as hell didn’t approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:52 PM
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“Rise in autism”? Autism has always been there, it’s just rightfully being diagnosed now. Social media, in conjunction with rising prices and increased rentier behavior from all aspects of owning class has increased loneliness; along with a litany of other negative things that I’m not gonna get into. Blaming it on “laziness” tells me you’re not serious about figuring out what the real problem today are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:51 PM
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You couldn’t help but add the incel part lmao. My wife would like to have a word with you, she definitely never feels dissatisfied cuz I handle business. Like all men should
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:42 AM
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3rd and 4th wave feminism have the same directionless feeling Disney superhero movies do. Just making movies for movies sake, all of the most compelling narratives already exhausted. Propped up mainly by inertia rather than by a true conviction with clear ideological aims
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:31 AM
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I don’t think they have to show men what’s in it for them, but that it wouldn’t hurt to? It’s an icky idea I know, but lots of guys have a conception that feminism comes directly at their expense. It certainly doesn’t help dispel that misconception when fems act you’re asking them to cut off their leg when you’re asking to make overtures towards men. But yea, I agree with you. Popular feminism today is more about feeing virtuous than about making effective pushes towards equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:25 AM
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It doesn’t matter what label you smack in front of feminism if the fundamental lens you view most or all aspects of politics is through that of antagonism between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:17 AM
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I think we can do even better than feminism. I think it doesn’t go far enough
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:29 AM
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Because I like to argue online, been doing it since I got a computer. Debate team before that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:24 AM
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Attractive ≠ masculine
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:15 AM
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I think we’ve reached common ground here, ideology is necessary to properly understand what you’re seeing. I think ultimately feminism is redundant, in that there are more emancipatory ideologies that incorporate it as a given. If not redundant, than a well-meaning deviation. I don’t think it should be the primary thing that informs people’s world view the way many (admittedly young and stupid) people try to force it. We shouldn’t be applying a feminist lens for why blue collar men vote overwhel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:11 AM
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Did I say women are gatekeeping these things? I said they should think of ways to make the case men would benefit, with those things. You’re right reading is hard. You don’t think feminists can adequately argue those things? Great, we’re in the same boat then. Calling men misogynists doesn’t seem to work either so we need to find something else. I never stated I have all the answers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 09:04 AM
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No, fortunately the world doesn’t work in black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:54 AM
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LMAOOOOOOOOOO, you think my post is about sex? I’m married, I’m more than satisfied, my wife makes sure, and I do the same likewise. Take your bs somewhere else lol. Real material benefits, meaning community, job opportunities, MONEY, alleviation of stress, feeling of hope and progression and any other fucking thing you can think of. Such a lack of imagination from you, tsk tsk
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:52 AM
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Yea, make believe nonsense to inflate your own self importance. Darting your eyes at exits like you’re in a movie starred by Gerard Butler
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:49 AM
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I swear to God it’s like you guys don’t read my posts at all. Point to where in my comment I said the patriarchy doesn’t exist. Point to where I stated feminism has no use, point to where I stated sexual violence (SERIOUSLY??) shouldn’t have a gendered lense attached to it. My interpretations of feminism comes in part from how its proponents have acted in popular culture. “Girl/boy coded”, “boy moms”, “man spreading”, demonization of male sexuality with no clear political purpose beyond “because…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:43 AM
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Yes, but you understand this topic gets deeper right? Like how women express their sexually dimorphic dating preferences. Needing a tall man to “feel protected” when there are realistically very few cases where a man can “protect” or a rich man to feel “stable” even if their salary by itself could provide that stability. What an uncharitable reading of what I said. Now I feel sad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:34 AM
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And hopefully that trend continues, but like I said, feminism does not do enough to convince women to drop their gendered expectations. It does a good job of pressuring men to though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:31 AM
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Did you not read my preface? Are you trolling right now? Or are you just incapable of holding two thoughts in your head without one needing to dominate the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:28 AM
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This 2010’s amorphous conception of feminism as anything that progresses freedom of rights etc has to contend with feminism’s role in foreign wars. How many disastrous wars were in part justified by saying it would bring about freedom for the women in the countries being invaded? I’m not gonna get into a whole screed, but no I am not a feminist. I am something similar to it, that includes feminism but is not defined by it. It does not inform my worldview, it can’t, it isn’t sufficient enough to.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:14 AM
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Here’s a link to the book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33128290-philosophical-trends-in-the-feminist-movement It does a pretty good job of critiquing various forms of feminism from liberal to Marxist. There’s also a free PDF online
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:10 AM
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There is no law blatantly establishing gender norms, but we all know how powerful social norms are. How powerful peer pressure is, particularly for young men. And young men in 2025, more than any other group of men, have dropped a lot of their gendered expectations. My friends and I wash dishes and cook more than our wives. Modern relationships are getting more egalitarian, and that’s a good thing This probably contradicts my point about men falling into right wing rabbit holes, but that’s a pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:06 AM
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I get the majority of my critiques from Anuradha Ghandy’s text ‘Philosophical trends in the feminist movement’. Wherein she states “Radical feminists have treated historical development and historical facts lightly and imposed their own understanding of man-woman contradiction as the original contradiction and the principal contradiction which has determined the course of actual history. From this central point the radical feminist analysis abandons history altogether, ignores the political-econ…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:00 AM
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Did I read your comment wrong? Wasn’t the whole point of fighting for women’s rights to bring them to parity with men? Asking men to drop a lot of their gendered expectations like a stay at home baby making factory? Why then maintain your own expectations of men while shedding your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:51 AM
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I’m sorry, but if you’re a woman that claims all women are equal to men, but expects every guy you date to perform masculine duties like paying your bills, I’m just gonna assume it doesn’t mean that much to you. You can’t walk the walk, and that’s fine, just be real about it. You don’t want equality, you want benefits. Again, just be real about it. We can disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:45 AM
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“In times where it isn’t even obvious who’s got more struggles” This is exactly what I mean, it ISN’T obvious anymore. We’re a hairs breadth away from a recession, which will impact both genders. We need to be working together right now but some people still operate as if we’re in the 1970’s. As if women haven’t successfully penetrated every aspect of white collar work. Is there more work to be done? There is always more work to be done. But the primary (and often overwhelming) focus on women, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:42 AM
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There is no difference if both lead to women making choices in dating that further solidifies the current system that oppresses them. I don’t want my entire time in the comments to be about dating (ironic, I’m on purplepilldebate!), but if women, and society at large, are serious about making men and women equal, gendered preferences need to be discouraged. Particularly those revolving around societal expectations like the man having to make more. Or the man having to display performances of mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:27 AM
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It absolutely is an ideological framework, with deep academic text behind it. Feminist theory catapulted many a career like Bell Hooks and Gloria Steinem. Please do some research before you engage with a post denoted “debate”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:16 AM
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Not true, there’s plenty of dogshit women out there who lie cheat and steal. Get this women are wonderful dainty angels shit outta here, I’ve had my fair share of horrible relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:58 AM
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Hey, it’s not like women are a cake walk either. Imagine being a no pussy getting guy for most of your life and the first woman you get in a relationship with is a psycho. Added plus that you have barely any relationship experience to properly navigate what is happening, vital experience most women get in their teens and early 20’s. It’s shit, life is shit. Oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:55 AM
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Increasing material conditions won’t immediately increase socialization, but no investment immediately brings back a return unless it’s some sort of pyramid scheme. Increasing material conditions, making the case that neighbors have the same interest as their neighbors, allows people to have a common ground that extends past their identities or hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:46 AM
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No, leftism is not inherent anti-male. In fact leftism can be right wing at times. Ever heard of NazBols? They’re right wing freaks with leftist economic policy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:45 AM
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Couldn’t have said it better myself
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:42 AM
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Financially successful model that has downstream effects of giving the entire population mental illness and eating disorders. But let’s just leave it at that, no need to further inspect
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:36 AM
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Dating apps are like a ziggurat for black pill ideology. An entire online ecosystem built entirely around how you physically look, with minimal considerations for other aspects. And we wonder why everyone talks about physiognomy now and is looks obsessed. Little boys and girls getting bigorexia and anorexia respectively. Everything I dreamed our technologically advanced future would hold
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:33 AM
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Let’s be clear here, online dating is creating higher than normal expectations of the opposite sex. Going both ways. It’s also quickly becoming the only way people, mainly younger folk, are meeting
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:25 AM
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Nothing, men as individuals, don’t “protect” other than in extremely niche and rare cases like mass shootings or assault. It’s all make believe nonsense to make people feel more important than they are. Gendered nonsense to maintain a facade of a bygone era. Societies should protect, it is a societies job to provide for its people. All that other shit is childish dress up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:22 AM
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You’re still trying to draw parallels using a flawed analogy. Are you now against paternity tests?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:21 PM
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Deterrence, the bedrock of self defense, requires the threat of violence. A gun under a pillow is threatening violence, whether self defense or not. Your analogy doesn’t work. Although I do think all women should own guns, to protect themselves from shitty men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:20 PM
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Well when you put it like that…maybe I’m the one that’s needs a gun under the pillow
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:03 PM
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Cool, and thankfully I’m not in a relationship with you (no offense truly) because it isn’t that emotionally charged from my perspective. I feel like it’d lose the stigma attached to it if it was made a mandatory and mundane thing to do. And I agree that there needs to be a database and the father identified and legally obligated to care for the child. Our data, personal lives etc are already tracked and sold to the highest bidder, there’s no real privacy concerns with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:48 PM
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Okay, not gonna comment further on how many men agree or disagree with it. Scummy men will undoubtedly be against paternity tests, I think the same holds true for scummy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:38 PM
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“Men kill women, therefore I can make a half-assed analogy that doesn’t properly draw parallels with the topic of paternity tests.” There is absolutely a threat of violence in keeping a pistol under your pillow to be used against your partner. Especially if your partner has no history of ever harming you (which I pray is the case for you). Are you insane?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:33 PM
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Wrong, men show disgust towards unattractive women doing even mundane things, thoughtless of things specifically sexual in nature. It would take nothing from your post to concede that point, with the goal of finding common ground and critiquing problematic behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:25 PM
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If they’re respectful about it and it’s in a setting where it is appropriate, it’s not a problem. You’re directly proving the OP correct. If the man isn’t attractive to you, which he cannot possibly know without interacting with you since women almost never approach, he must cower his head and never try and make a move lest he make you uncomfortable. It almost feels elitist to me, except for the rare cases when men don’t take no for an answer, which probably informs your entire view of this disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:19 PM
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Nowhere near the same thing, there is no threat of violence through getting a paternity test. It’s a simple test, free yourself from your ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:15 PM
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“Most men seem to be against this idea” according to what? You really can’t just say that based on conjecture. I agree the fathers should be made responsible, and that otherwise it’s just suspicion and an almost humiliation ritual
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:13 PM
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If it leads to personal conflict and negatively affects your social life I’d say it’s bad. Otherwise, no different from any other personality quirk
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:09 PM
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Yup, alienation plays a key role in toxic masculinity. Hear it from radfems though and they’ll just tell you men are inherently predisposed to toxic masculinity. All of these pressure really break men’s brains, just like all the feminine pressures can break women’s brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:09 PM
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This is true, but it is because men are hornier. It’s not because men want to make women of all sizes feel beautiful, the horny lizard brain just takes over. That’s why we have the concept of “post nut clarity”. Women being more selective has no moral implications within it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:01 PM
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You’re on here arguing with them, might as well listen to somebody trying to be reasonable. What do I know tho, have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:21 AM
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Well, I’d say for younger people it’s more of the truth. Young people overwhelming meet through online dating, which heavily prioritizes looks (until you actually meet the person). Until you’ve actually experienced modern online dating as a man you’ll never fully grasp how impersonal, and agency-lacking dating through an app can be. An entire generation of people are having their dating lives determined by algorithms since nobody really goes out anymore just to go out and experience things. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:55 PM
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That’s because men are hornier and more desperate, that’s really it. If your libido was cut in half and there was no societal pressure (and in fact negative societal pressure) to have sex with lots of people you’d be a lot more selective too. The game is rigged for them, all you can do is put your best foot forward. And please get out of your anger phase, these “truths” you think are so revelatory are pretty mundane and obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:51 PM
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If you’re not good looking you kinda have to be outgoing and take initiative to be successful in dating. You’re not a man, you’ve never experienced dating as a man. Listen to men when they tell you this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:36 PM
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