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The most valuable thing you can learn for game is to fully realise, consciously and subconsciously, that all women are just normal, flawed people. The best way to do that is to learn how to initiate real conversations and pursue genuine connections. I’m not sure how it could be best to go to a place where women are pedestalized, paid to initiate and incentivised to be as fake as possible. It seems like a great way to develop mindsets and habits that will need to be unlearned to connect with wome…
/r/seduction16/06/26 02:40 AM
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You have to try to see it from their point of view: Most men go to clubs to meet women, but most women go to clubs to feel attractive, have fun and spend time with friends. The interaction feels important to you because it serves your goal, but her priorities are different. The time investment you see as progress toward connection might start to feel like pressure to her if you have different motivations. Women are generally more socially cautious in club settings, more concerned about appearanc…
/r/seduction10/05/26 11:57 PM
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Masculinity and femininity complement one another, and while men tend to be more masculine and women tend to be more feminine, there are millions of exceptions. If you want broad appeal, then it’s important. If you want one woman, it’s more important to be true to yourself and find someone who complements your energy.
/r/seduction08/05/26 02:39 AM
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Personal opinion: women aren’t actually built for casual sex. That’s why 99% of women’s dating advice groups are just repeats of the question “he said he only wanted FWB and I agreed, but how do I change his mind?” It’s why I stopped.
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:13 PM
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Depends what you want. If you want to sleep around, sure. If you want longevity and a genuine love connection - you gotta show some softness and vulnerability once in a while.
/r/seduction23/03/26 01:14 PM
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Guys get hurt by this because they think the answer is “she would do more if she found you more attractive”. But the answer isn’t that simple. She might be totally in love with you, and genuinely think you’re the most attractive man on earth - but she still won’t call you daddy if you don’t give off daddy vibes. That is to say, the masculine, animalistic, confident leader in sex gets the “pussy thrown at him”. The comforting but utterly edgeless guy gets a long wait for the missionary position. …
/r/seduction23/03/26 08:50 AM
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I don’t know if this will help, but it helped me. Once, a girl burst into tears while we were doing the dirty, because she wasn’t flexible enough for a position she wanted to do. She went on this big spiel about how much pressure women have to be good in bed, and how I’d never understand what that’s like. I was bewildered, because I thought it was just the universal perception that men have the pressure to perform, and that women set the standard for men to meet. Since then, I’ve asked a lot of …
/r/seduction22/03/26 02:59 PM
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Bro this is a wild take. You’ve presupposed way too much that just isn’t true and you’re looking at women like they’re one single organism. Looks matter a lot to some women, less to some and barely at all to others. Every woman is different, and every woman changes over time - you can’t pin them down to one motive. And you’ve presupposed a bunch of ideas that just aren’t reality. Modern men and women form bonds all the time. Plenty of people meet their spouses on dating apps (myself included, le…
/r/seduction19/03/26 11:38 PM
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As decal said - I didn’t mean “can” like “there’s a chance”, I meant it like “you have the ability”. And your directness isn’t the issue - it’s your disregard for other human beings. I shouldn’t have to say this, but it’s wrong to target someone’s self-esteem to manipulate them into sex. Be good to people.
/r/seduction15/03/26 11:24 PM
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There are dudes in their 70’s still shooting their shots - I know it feels rough, but you’ve got plenty of time.
/r/seduction15/03/26 03:52 PM
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That most seduction jargon is damaging to the men who use it. Using terms like “compliance,” “last minute resistance (LMR),” and “negging” creates a toxic distance between men and women. After thinking in these terms for long enough, conversations with women start to feel like predictable sequences of buttons to push to achieve outcomes. Instead of talking to a person, you’re always analysing a system. When you talk about women like they’re games to be conquered, it becomes harder and harder to …
/r/seduction15/03/26 03:49 PM
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“Sounds insane I know” Bro it’s just negging, a term coined like 25-30 years ago. It was sociopathic and terrible then, and it’s sociopathic and terrible now. You can be plenty seductive while still being a good dude.
/r/seduction15/03/26 03:19 PM
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If that’s what works for you man, all the power to you - but respectfully, I disagree. Make out heavy, don’t make out at all, have sex, don’t have sex - none of these are large deciding factors in whether she’ll want to keep seeing you. The issue with rules like these is that they assume women are assessing men consciously - like she’s tallying up your seduction points and calculating your worth. Don’t double-text. Don’t give too many compliments. Don’t kiss/fuck on the first date. Don’t say or …
/r/seduction11/03/26 12:59 AM
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You aren’t a photograph man, you’re a movie. The scene where you were killing it was just as real as the scene you’re in now, and neither can tell you what will happen next. Most fwb stuff doesn’t last long - that’s the nature of the game. Embrace the ebb and flow, and let yourself have rough patches without self-loathing.
/r/seduction10/03/26 07:33 AM
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I disagree with your premise. Seduction is the act of seducing - whether you seek external validation from being successful at it is irrelevant to the definition. And “game” is just another word for seduction. Physical attraction is a small slice of the pie for women, that’s why there are so many average dudes with baddies while plenty of handsome dudes are alone. Confidence doesn’t just build out attraction, it can create attraction where there was none. It IS, in itself, attractive. And my poi…
/r/seduction10/03/26 01:30 AM
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Every time I’ve ever succeeded solo approaching a group, it’s been when I took the time to engage the friend. So many dudes try to box her out, or think they NEED a wing to distract her, but many protectors will chill out if you just take some time to ingratiate yourself to her. Try to think of her as a person, not an obstacle. My favourite success story was with a protector who grabbed her friend by the shoulders and literally pushed her away from me while saying “go hit on someone else, she’s …
/r/seduction09/03/26 11:10 AM
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I’m just gonna respectfully disagree with the answers on this post telling you that confidence exists in proven results, because that is a very unstable foundation. All five of your questions point to the same issue: you’re calculating your value using external variables that you cannot control. You’re asking how someone can be confident without success, or love themselves if others react negatively. But that assumes your worth is determined by outcomes and other people’s reactions. You don’t co…
/r/seduction08/03/26 11:08 AM
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Whatever state you’re in, align with it. Don’t fight it. If your energy is low, be calm and chill. If your energy is high, go ahead and be excitable and intense. If you’re not feeling playful, lean into sincerity and depth. If you’re not feeling deep, keep it light and fun. The thing that really ruins a vibe is usually not your energy, but a mismatch between your energy and your genuine headspace. Even a nervous and frantic energy - the least seductive headspace a man can be in - is better paire…
/r/seduction02/03/26 09:16 AM
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It depends on many factors, but if you want a ballpark - even the absolute best pickup artists in the world miss the majority of the shots taken day to day. A 30-40% close rate would be very high - any higher and you’re talking about celebrities, or otherwise super-warm interactions in perfect situational circumstances. Even at a high level, it’s variable. A good week here, a dry spell there - you’ll get the variation even at the top of your game. If you’re just looking to get a gauge on how wel…
/r/seduction02/03/26 04:18 AM
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I don’t think I ever “meant” to - it was always unintentional - but the lines get blurred with casual sex, because we all know the likelihood of attachment is high. If you’re intent on pursuing casual sex, heartbreak is inevitable. You can be as honest and communicative as you like - but there will always be some who become emotionally invested in you, even without intending to. It’s one of the reasons I stopped.
/r/seduction25/02/26 06:46 AM
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The whole “don’t think about it so much, just go out and practise” idea is great in theory. In reality, it puts a lot of dudes behind. Practise won’t do shit for you if you don’t know how to learn - it’s as much about interpreting experiences as it is about having them. Plenty of guys try to brute-force the “just go out and talking to girls” approach and wind up reinforcing bad habits that keep their progress stalled. If you’re someone who improves a lot from practise alone, that’s great - keep …
/r/seduction29/01/26 08:28 AM
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A huge part of game is learning how to signal that you’re safe, precisely because many women are TERRIBLE at interpreting cues and will easily confuse well-meaning social awkwardness with being creepy or scary. Noticing ≠ Understanding
/r/seduction19/01/26 12:38 AM
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Looks help, but in nightclubs they mostly just get you noticed. And the bar is high, because most people there are already attractive. After that, how you come across does almost all the work. Most guys who struggle aren’t failing because they’re unattractive. They’re failing because they come off tense, flat, or emotionally hard to read, even if they’re confident enough to approach. Before anything else, focus on the basics: facial expression, tone of voice, body tension, and whether you actual…
/r/seduction03/01/26 10:08 AM
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Ghosting sucks, but there’s no need to let yourself get bitter. Plenty of good ones out there.
/r/seduction02/01/26 03:54 AM
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There’s nothing wrong with a bit of teasing and push-pull when it’s done in fun and she’s in on the joke, but that doesn’t mean you should give her actual negative feelings on purpose. It’s more about strength of character. If you are unwavering in your values and internally validated, you can be as nice and as boring as you like. The girls who say “we never fought” after a breakup likely aren’t upset that the guy was too nice - they’re disinterested because the guy seemed weak - like he had no …
/r/seduction16/12/25 06:41 PM
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Drunk game is fun, and definitely makes approaching easier, but you don’t improve as much from each interaction because you’re sort of borrowing social confidence instead of building it. Personally, I did the decreasing tactic and it worked well for me.
/r/seduction08/12/25 01:07 AM
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You said “most often when they’re really my type on the outside and inside”. You may be projecting an ideal onto the girl as soon as you meet her bro - it takes months to learn what someone is like on the inside, you don’t know anything about her after one cold approach.
/r/seduction05/12/25 10:38 PM
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Smallest possible thing you can do is make eye-contact with some strangers. Next, give a little nod. Say hello. Ask for the time. Ask for directions. Ask for an opinion on something. Compliment something about their style. Each step feels a little more imposing and requests more investment from the other person, which is exactly what your approach anxiety is telling you not to do. I’m sure you could copy-paste this comment into ChatGPT and get it to write you a list of progressively increasing c…
/r/seduction30/11/25 11:27 AM
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I know many dudes will disagree with this logic, but she’s a human being - not a fleshlight. Before I was married, I had a few FWB situations. I always treated them like friends, hung out with them, went to movies, dinner, etc. It just seems so backward to me to sleep together - the most intimate thing you can do with someone - while treating them like a stranger. If your sexual chemistry is fragile enough that a conversation ruins it, then the connection was made of microwaved cardboard to begi…
/r/seduction30/11/25 11:14 AM
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That’s a hard question to answer, there were so many. There’s a YouTube channel “Playing With Fire” that covers a lot of dating-app game - a little too much of a player for my style, but he covers a lot of different aspects. Todd V and Karisma King both did a few videos on the subject, Courtney Ryan Had a few videos with women reacting to profiles and discussing them. YouTube is absolutely full of videos on match statistics, optimisation, text-game and algorithm understanding - you can even find…
/r/seduction25/11/25 05:51 AM
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Spent most of my twenties trying to overcome social anxiety, become more masculine, learn skills, face fears, etc. Read lots of theory, had a few long-term relationships and a decent amount of casual sex, but I was still anxious and felt like an imposter. When I was 29, I read a full breakdown of how the dating apps actually work. Deleted all my accounts and waited 6 months to reset. In that time, followed a strict gym, diet and skin-care routine, booked a photoshoot with a photographer who spec…
/r/seduction20/11/25 03:45 AM
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Ironic that you’re throwing jabs at both women and autistic people while trying to categorise social cues you can’t rationalise. Facial expressions, vocal modulation, timing, rhythm, social intuition, active listening, physical confidence tells, posture, eye-contact, micro-calibrated responses to non-verbal feedback, being funny, fun, warm and calm without forcing it, making someone feel safe and seen while still having an edge, etc. These, and many more factors, contribute to your in-person vib…
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:12 AM
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It does contradict what you’re saying, because those things CANNOT be presented on the apps. The vibe and confidence you express in photos says nothing about how you’re going to be with her in person, and women intuitively know this. Cold approach cuts through because you give her the in-person vibe right off the bat. And I don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s extremely common for guys with great in-person presence to suck online. That’s why so many dudes who lament using the apps swear by…
/r/seduction19/11/25 02:34 AM
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I had way more success online than I ever did in person, so I’m not disagreeing entirely - but I don’t think your analysis is quite right. Most of the apprehension women have with men on dating apps is that you can only really show your personality through text, pictures and maybe a voice note or two if she bothers to play it - very little of the shit women actually respond to (tone, body language, social frame, confidence, vibe). This puts you in an uncertainty category most women place beneath…
/r/seduction19/11/25 12:38 AM
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Shit-tests are fundamentally about testing your frame. On the surface, she’s criticising your taste in music - but underneath, she’s trying to see if her criticism affects you. If you get upset, go quiet, downplay your interest or change your mind based on her criticism, she’ll subconsciously clock that as “okay, he’s got a weak frame.” If it were me, I’d maybe smile and go “well, you’re missing out. This track is a banger” and show her something. If she doesn’t like it, all the better, I’ll jok…
/r/seduction17/11/25 06:57 PM
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It’s not about whether the scarcity mindset is justified - it’s about whether it is helpful. It is justified - it is not helpful. It’s not easy to convince yourself you’re not desperate for something, while simultaneously pursuing that thing, but that is what the wholly inexperienced man must do.
/r/seduction13/11/25 09:22 AM
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Bro even if somebody here thinks you should do that, I’m pretty sure leaving a comment advising you to do it constitutes aiding and abetting a criminal offense. If 17 is underage in your country, just hold off until you’re old enough.
/r/seduction12/11/25 04:15 AM
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It’s alright bro, you’ll get there. And there will always be more chances.
/r/seduction11/11/25 01:46 PM
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That’s when you say “would I? You’ll have to teach me how it’s done” and get her to flirt with you. If she plays along, you can turn to the girl you’re with and say “would that work on you?”. Or you can elevate the joke, act like she’s trying to steal you away, or steal the girl away from you, etc. It’s teasing man, and it’s also a half-compliment - she’s saying you’re good looking while roasting your flirting skills. Learn to turn those little jabs into playful connection and your game will sky…
/r/seduction11/11/25 03:09 AM
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When I met my first long-term girlfriend, her friends warned her to watch out because I had a reputation for sleeping around. My body count at the time was only five, and I had never cheated on anyone, but they were so certain that I had and would. Take it as a compliment, I guess - you give off the vibe that you’re good with women. Not a bad place to start from when you’re learning seduction.
/r/seduction10/11/25 03:04 AM
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It’s not one way or the other, there’s heaps of nuance to this. On the one hand, cheesy lines are inherently inauthentic because they’re canned - on the other hand, you’re letting her know straight away that you’re interested and also not taking things too seriously. The authenticity is in the fact that both you and her know that it’s a canned line and that you’re just having fun. An argument can be made that the “normal conversation” approach is far less genuine if your real motivation is to hi…
/r/seduction04/11/25 04:38 AM
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Guys, you’re only hurting yourselves downvoting this dude in his responses. He’s 100% correct. In the right context, with the right delivery, these kinds of openers come across as fun and lighthearted and make it way easier to connect thereafter. It’s nothing revolutionary, they’re just goofy gag pickup lines, but that’s exactly why they work. They don’t take themselves too seriously, which makes the guy delivering them seem safe and fun if he has the right vibe to match. And for those of you sa…
/r/seduction03/11/25 02:35 PM
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As someone who spent a good chunk of his 20’s being a little hedonist and discovered traditional conservative values later, I feel like my life didn’t even start until the latter part. The rush of those experiences you missed are gone as quickly as they arrive, and they usually leave you wanting more. You’ve chosen the better path - now you can enter seduction and dating with intentionality and purpose.
/r/seduction01/11/25 06:02 AM
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You’d be surprised how many girls find it hot as hell that you wanna wait until marriage. I know, it’s weird, but it’s true. Being conservative isn’t a hindrance to seduction, it’s a boon. Half the battle with most awkward young dudes is getting them to establish some core values in life and realise there are more important things than chasing tail. As a traditional conservative, you’re already there. Stay true to yourself bro, put yourself out there and have faith. You’ll loosen up with time.
/r/seduction01/11/25 05:36 AM
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Every out-of-your-league girl is someone else’s pain in the ass. We’re all just people, with farts and flaws and fiddly bits. Nobody is out of your league unless you believe they are. Ask her out bro.
/r/seduction30/10/25 04:17 AM
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You’re throwing a lot of points at the wall, but most of them don’t actually disagree with what I said. I think you’re conflating manipulative niceness with genuine niceness though - these are not the same. I never said that low-confidence men are being manipulative in their niceness - just that signals of insecurity often appear similar to signals of dishonesty, which is unfortunate but often the cause of rejection. I’m not saying women ALWAYS like genuinely nice men. The main point is that the…
/r/seduction14/10/25 11:02 PM
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Women don’t hate genuinely nice men, it’s exactly the opposite. They hate disingenuously nice men who have ulterior motives. Unfortunately, the Venn diagram of traits that signal dishonesty and insecurity has a lot of overlap, so guys who lack confidence often come across as “creepy” or “weird” to women when they are actually coming from genuinely good intentions. The fix for this isn’t to become a bad guy, it’s to work on self-assurance and conviction. Again, you can be as nice as you like if y…
/r/seduction14/10/25 09:34 PM
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Be as nice as you like bro. The whole “don’t be a nice guy” thing is a misunderstanding of attraction triggers. There are love-bombers out there disproving the theory every day (though obviously you shouldn’t do that for other reasons). It’s as simple as this: If you seem like you’re coming from a weak, desperate or manipulative place, being nice will be unattractive. If you seem like you’re coming from a firm, confident and genuine place, being nice will be attractive.
/r/seduction14/10/25 10:24 AM
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Could be anxiety, insecurity, protecting her image, testing you to see if you’ll push, testing you to see if you react, or she could literally just be super-indecisive about what she likes and is changing her mind on a dime. Don’t try to follow her. Just be authentic and consistent, tell her what you like and what you want and allow her to either adapt to your frame and trust in your lead, or not. If she does, great. If she doesn’t, she was likely going to drive you nuts.
/r/seduction12/10/25 09:07 PM
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Mutual attraction is just the first layer, the bare minimum. You can both be attracted and truly love each other, but if you’re a traditional, family-oriented Christian and she’s a nontraditional atheist who doesn’t want kids, it’ll end in tears. Values, plans and goals must be aligned for anything to work long term.
/r/seduction06/10/25 03:42 AM
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If it doesn’t feel right, don’t do it.
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:21 AM
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Are you going to use your life experience to manipulate, dominate, or otherwise take advantage of her age to her detriment? No? Then you’re good bro. Don’t worry so much.
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:17 AM
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Haha not sharing that online, but few enough that it didn’t concern me.
/r/seduction05/10/25 10:55 PM
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I would say those people needed a little longer to figure it out. It’s true that we’re fluid beings, we can tick different boxes at different times, but we can definitely figure out what works and tick boxes. Christian? There’s a box ticked for me. Traditional? Another box tick. Effective communicator? Emotional maturity? Want to start a family? Tick, tick, tick. And even then, I dated a bunch of girls who ticked all those boxes before I met my wife, so it’s not to say “boxes ticked = soulmate” …
/r/seduction05/10/25 07:58 PM
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Take the time to figure yourself and your values out, that’s how you figure out which boxes are important.
/r/seduction05/10/25 07:14 PM
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For me, serious is with an aim for marriage and kids, while casual is intended to end and is essentially just for sex.
/r/seduction05/10/25 07:08 PM
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Story of my twenties too man, bunch of casual shit, relationship, heartbreak, bunch of casual shit, repeat. Then at 30, I went really hard on figuring out my true relationship goals, life plans and core values. I got serious about dating, stopped messing around casually and focused on filtering for a girl who met me on all the goals, plans and values. Met my wife, haven’t looked back. Don’t give up bro.
/r/seduction05/10/25 06:20 AM
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Man, I’m an introverted, calm, slow-speaking, Caucasian statue and my wife is an extroverted, forever-dancing, rapid-fire Latina. The differences are what first attracted us to each other. Be yourself, it’s the only plan with longevity. Try to put on a performance that isn’t you - it’ll bite you when fatigue brings the mask down.
/r/seduction04/10/25 08:20 PM
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Holy blackpill, Batman - your pain has curdled into something way beyond my armchair psychology. I mean this with no condescension, I just hope you heal, man.
/r/seduction04/10/25 12:25 PM
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There are some women who want to be approached for ego boosts and validation. Far MORE women would love to be approached just to make a genuine connection with a good man. And no, boosting her ego and validating her a little won’t make her think she’s above you and wish you were dead. That is a very specific, very toxic kind of woman. For most women, a little effort, comfort and validation from a man they really like just makes them appreciate him more - as long as it feels genuine. If your effo…
/r/seduction03/10/25 09:42 PM
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Jesus Christ dude, go outside a little.
/r/seduction03/10/25 02:28 AM
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Just reading through your comments here, it seems like you’re extremely defensive and bitter in your mindset bro. Why are you so afraid to give women anything for free? Boosting her ego a little isn’t going to hurt you, giving her validation doesn’t automatically invalidate you. You can show SOME interest.
/r/seduction02/10/25 09:53 PM
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Getting laid more easily isn’t a factor for women, even an average girl can stack hundreds of bodies with little effort. There are tens on OnlyFans and tens saving themselves for marriage, the only differences are their personal values.
/r/seduction01/10/25 06:26 AM
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This is spot on.
/r/seduction26/09/25 02:29 AM
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Man see hot lady = man happy. It also means he’s probably currently dating a short, thick brunette. Men like variety.
/r/seduction25/09/25 05:24 AM
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Aight well, tip for the future - don’t start with friendship if you only want a relationship. That kind of bait and switch that can make a girl never want to be friends with a guy again. Anyway, it can definitely be done - ask her out, see what happens.
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:25 AM
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Sure, but you’ll ruin the friendship and friendship circles you’re both in when you break up. It’s not worth it. I broke up like, six friendship circles in my 20’s by doing this because it took way too long for the lesson to sink in. There are billions of girls, just find another one.
/r/seduction23/09/25 11:19 PM
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For guys just looking to casually date or get laid, I’d say cold approach and dating apps both offer value if you know what you’re doing. For guys looking for long-term relationships and marriage, I 100% advocate for the apps above other methods. They have their share of issues and limitations, but no other medium allows you to filter so many candidates for likeminded goals and values.
/r/seduction22/09/25 01:03 AM
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Oh, I have a bunch that get me criticised by fellow dudes in the seduction space: Women deserve commitment just as much as men. There’s this idea in PUA circles that once you’re “high value,” women should be happy to share you. I see that as manipulation; women tricked into undervaluing themselves. If my wife ever suggested that, I’d worry for her self-worth. PUA lingo is toxic and unhelpful. Terms like compliance, resistance, IOIs, and DHVs try to gamify dating and calculate social dynamics, bu…
/r/seduction22/09/25 12:26 AM
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Of course my personality affects my seduction - but in my earlier years, my personality was the same, and I wasn’t seductive. What changed is my mindset - and how I actually presented my personality. The real question is: how can other guys present their personality in a way that’s genuinely attractive? I’d say it’s far more effective to focus on being genuine and masculine, rather than trying to reverse-engineer a universal blueprint. That’ll hurt your game more than it’ll help.
/r/seduction21/09/25 12:00 AM
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Man, please don’t take this the wrong way, but you sound like your brain’s running on a maze of if/then conditions based on some deeply over-analysed experiences with women. Women aren’t THAT complex, nor that predictable. If you think she’s cute, call her cute. Regardless of how she responds, making a habit of behaving authentically will take you further than wild, presumptuous scheming ever will.
/r/seduction20/09/25 12:51 PM
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Bro, you’ve twisted yourself into a very specific and weird kind of blackpill knot if you think you need a Vogue subscription to sincerely call a girl cute.
/r/seduction20/09/25 06:52 AM
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You can call her cute. You can say whatever you want, actually. You can telegraph your undying love from the moment you meet, if you feel like it. Most seduction advice telling you to use or avoid certain phrases are missing the most important underlying factor. It’s not what you say. It’s not even completely HOW you say it, though that does matter. The most important factor most dudes need to think about is WHY you say it. If you’re calling her cute as a declaration of your attraction, it’ll co…
/r/seduction19/09/25 10:18 PM
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There are so many things it can mean, dude. There are millions of little personality traits and micro-behaviours we all exhibit every day that can be incompatible with one another. You can’t get nitpicky with them either, because every woman is different and you’ll wind up chasing your tail. One girl might think your vocal cadence is sexy, another might find it off-putting, another might have no feeling about it one way or the other. The same goes for your body language, the way you laugh, wheth…
/r/seduction18/09/25 04:58 AM
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Nah, not at all. 30’s are your prime years as a man. In fact, if I could go back in time, I’d have tried way less to experience dating and excitement in my 20’s. I’d get my career and fitness sorted to reap the benefits of higher level dating and excitement in my 30’s.
/r/seduction06/09/25 03:00 AM
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Spot on.
/r/seduction05/09/25 02:11 AM
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It’s not about having no hope, but having no outcome-dependence. Be the MOST engaged, but the LEAST affected. There’s nothing wrong with trying as hard as you can - it’s desperation to succeed that sours the results.
/r/seduction04/09/25 10:33 PM
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I think it depends where you are. My wife is Colombian, she seems to think I’ll be stared at by women as I walk down the streets in her country (but that could just be jealousy talking) Here in Melbourne, Australia, it’s uncommon for women to make eye-contact in public - many of them have mental shields up. Maybe it’s just because I’m a bigger guy, but many times when I’ve seen a woman I know in public, it takes a few goes of saying their names before they’ll snap out of their trance and recogni…
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:22 PM
164

Exactly 30. Something about the transition from 29 to 30 did something to me - obviously it was all in my head but the results were real.
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:15 PM
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Since when are they mutually exclusive things? Of course you can ask. You can ask abruptly, you can ask bluntly, you can ask like a needy little pervert. Or, you can also ask seductively. You can ask with a deep voice and firm eye contact and massaging hands and masculine posture. You can ask with tact and skill and confidence, in a way that makes her not only say “yes”, but say it with passionate enthusiasm. Again, stop limiting seduction.
/r/seduction04/09/25 05:00 AM
-3

All seduction is communication. If I’m a little seductive, my wife will sleep with me. If I’m very seductive, she’ll go above and beyond, wear new outfits, try new things and make extra loud noises. Don’t limit seduction to “get em in the sack.”
/r/seduction04/09/25 04:53 AM
5

Lol bro don’t listen to this guy, there’s nothing wrong with asking for seduction advice on a seduction subreddit. Just relax man, feel it out, don’t overthink. Keep the conversation light and try to escalate when it feels right. If she’s not feeling it, be chill and respectful.
/r/seduction04/09/25 02:09 AM
-5

“How to get someone to do what you want in bed” is seduction, or seduction-adjacent at least.
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:54 AM
5

First off, literally just tell him that you want him to do it. Second, react very well when he does, even if he sounds a little awkward - just ramp it up with movement and moans. He’ll get better at it, your first priority is just getting it started without making him feel stupid. Some dudes (like myself) just don’t make sounds naturally during sex and need to consciously make the choice to express ourselves vocally. I started doing it girls asked me to do it and then encouraged me like crazy wh…
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:52 AM
34

Confidence does cause us to act in ways that are more attractive - we tend to hold firmer eye contact, better posture, calmer speaking tones, etc. But also, we perceive with a bias. It’s a bit like when you buy a car and then suddenly you notice that model every time it appears on the road. When you’re confident, you’re more likely to notice positive signals and ignore negative ones. When you’re not confident, you’re more likely to do the opposite. So not only are you behaving in a way that make…
/r/seduction03/09/25 04:34 AM
123

Naturally, we’ve evolved to exist in small tribes of about 50-150 people. In those tribes, social cohesion was everything. To upset the social order meant being ostracised by your tribe. In other words - if you’re awkward, you’re dead. That’s why people fumble over coins in the drive thru, hyperventilate before public speaking and lose their shit before talking to a pretty girl. We’re aware of our own place within the hierarchy, and we’re aware that challenging that place could mean social rejec…
/r/seduction02/09/25 07:40 PM
8

But why though? You don’t think there are hot, horny girls out there with low inhibitions?
/r/seduction02/09/25 05:57 AM
17

I had one night in particular where I slept with three girls at one house party - one in a car, one in a bedroom and one and the same bedroom later in the night. I also went to a club once and flirted with a girl in line who invited me to skip the club and just go straight to her place. These are two nights in the last ten years of nights, I’m not pretending this is normal for me - I was fucking bewildered haha. I’m just saying, while it’s rare, things like this DO happen and I see no reason not…
/r/seduction02/09/25 12:24 AM
104

The fact that guys here think this didn’t happen shows just how far behind they are. This is absolutely believable.
/r/seduction01/09/25 08:33 PM
2

I lived with a short guy who pulled some of the most beautiful women I’d ever seen. He wasn’t lacking in self-awareness, he admitted that there was a percentage of girls who would auto-reject him purely because of his height (I think he was about 5’2). But he was super fit, an incredible musician and he knew how to flirt, so he’d still pull 10s. With confidence and drive, it can be done.
/r/seduction31/08/25 11:31 AM
1

No worries, I responded to his comment above
/r/seduction30/08/25 03:14 AM
4

Swooning rn
/r/seduction30/08/25 03:14 AM
13

Dude, you’re way off on this. Women don’t tease guys they’re not into. They ignore them. Teasing is a form of investment, not disrespect. She’s not dancing with Jason Momoa, she’s up on some random dude she just met. She doesn’t know your value, and she wants to feel for it. But if she were dancing with a celebrity at a club, do you really think she wouldn’t throw a playful line or two just to see how he handles it? Confident women absolutely tease high-value men. They want to FEEL his frame. Th…
/r/seduction30/08/25 02:54 AM
66

Context is everything. She’s not randomly insulting you on the street, she’s dancing up on you and teasing. These are just cheeky shit-tests. Respond with unaffected humour. My favourite response is actually to flip between extremes. For example: “You should be paying for this.” “I did. There’s actually a huge diamond waiting at your house.” If she plays along, keep escalating. Tell her you’d sell your own kidneys for the chance to stand near her. It’s all a joke. Then, randomly, or when she exp…
/r/seduction29/08/25 11:42 PM
2

When you say “text game”, are you referring to dating apps? Or women you met and got phone numbers from? For apps, your pictures and profile description contribute massively to your staying power. Hot women are inundated with thousands of likes and matches. Dudes with killer text game but average profiles still get ghosted a lot. If it’s women you met out in the world, I would recommend sending voice notes, little videos or moving the conversation to social media. The excitement and attraction s…
/r/seduction28/08/25 08:29 PM
2

I never said it doesn’t happen, I just said how I feel about it when it does. I prefer to be the one to make a move. I’m not judging anyone who prefers it differently, and I certainly was never rude or judgemental toward any woman shooting their shot - I just know how I personally feel about directness. It’s not my thing, I’m more attracted to subtlety. I think many men share this opinion, but they aren’t the majority in seduction subreddits.
/r/seduction27/08/25 01:59 AM
246

Strong eye contact, smiling, proximity, being alone, not looking busy or distracted, etc. Most men don’t approach unless all the lights are green. Some men won’t even then. Best bet is to go somewhere the kind of men you want might go. If you DO want to be direct in a very feminine way, ask for help with something and turn it into a conversation. Guys want to feel useful, so allowing them to be useful and then showing gratitude it’s a super solid way to ingratiate yourself very quickly.
/r/seduction27/08/25 01:04 AM
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I would be pretty put-off by a woman approaching so directly. It would feel out-of-place and unfeminine to me. Not saying it’s a bad thing, I’m just saying how I would instinctively feel about it.
/r/seduction27/08/25 12:59 AM
5

Maybe some do, but that would be a tiny, tiny minority. Most women who do it are just anxious and a little selfish. My wife even said she nearly bailed on our first date at the last second. She said she was tired, nervous and couldn’t find anything to wear, so she was genuinely about to call it off. When I pressed her further, she said she assumed I’d just go out with someone else, one of the “other girls I was talking to”. In her world, dating is so easy that I wouldn’t be bothered at all by on…
/r/seduction26/08/25 12:23 AM
2

That’s the best possible mindset bro: self-worth in efforts and actions, not outcomes.
/r/seduction25/08/25 11:42 PM
19

This is a common thing man, and yeah it sucks. Immature girls get cold feet and make no apologies for bailing with little or no word. Any guy who has been on lots of dates has had it happen a few times. Just take it for what it is - a silly girl full of anxiety who isn’t mature or empathetic enough to consider your feelings. As a result, she missed out. Stay respectful, stay civil, but don’t give second-chances to that kind of bullshit. You don’t have to pretend to be unbothered, but you don’t h…
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:33 PM
2

I lived with a stripper once. The stories she told me made my skin crawl. There was almost nothing that girl wouldn’t do for money. Once you’ve already put a price on your dignity, i’s a slippery slope. Your girl might be sweet and cool and might insist that it’s just dancing, but when she’s already selling her soul and some old dude offers her obscene amounts of money to be a toy on his boat for him and all his mates, she might consider it. As long as that doesn’t bother you, go for it.
/r/seduction24/08/25 02:30 AM
1

He’s not wrong at all, sometimes it’s less than 5%. A mate of mine and I used to play a game where we took the awkward shit we heard other people say and tried to see how we could make it work when chatting up a girl. After a while it became clear to us that you can pretty much say anything if you say it in the right way. You don’t need a new LLM for seduction theory, ChatGPT is already well-versed in it. If you have a question and you prompt GPT4o to answer like Owen Cook or Todd Valentine usin…
/r/seduction22/08/25 03:57 AM
1

It’s a form of “no-reason boner”. There’s no conscious arousal initially, though most men can choose to be aroused pretty instantly if they want to make use of it. For those of us who have erectile dysfunction issues, morning wood with a partner nearby is a nice freebie.
/r/seduction20/08/25 01:07 AM
1

Make jokes about it, be unbothered. Tell ‘em they’ll love it when they find out what else that mouth can do.
/r/seduction19/08/25 05:30 AM
49

Less than 5% of the time, for sure. Most girls who really want it will still wait for the man to give the invitation.
/r/seduction19/08/25 05:26 AM
1

Boastfulness is neediness. There’s no humour in it, only desperation. Cockiness is confidence. It’s cheeky, self-aware and doesn’t beg for attention. Boastful people tell a joke that bombs and feel bad for themselves because they failed to get a laugh. Cocky people tell a joke that bombs and feel bad for the other person because they didn’t get to enjoy the joke.
/r/seduction19/08/25 05:03 AM
4

I’m saying if a college-age guy and a 30+ year old with similar looks and personality are both out approaching college-age women, I’m betting the older guy gets way better average results.
/r/seduction18/08/25 03:40 AM
6

You’re the one adding in “chasing”, I never said anything about young girls “chasing” anyone. But if an older guy and a younger guy with similar looks and personality both approach younger women, I’d bet on the older guy getting more results. Also, I said 30-35, you pushed the number up.
/r/seduction18/08/25 03:38 AM
6

Sorry man, I think you’re just a little out of touch. Most of them will wind up with younger guys due to opportunity factors (proximity in social circles, less older men interested than younger ones, etc) but that’s not necessarily indicative of preference. If you have two guys of similar looks and personality both making offers, the number of young women who’ll take the college student over the 30+ established man would be vanishingly small.
/r/seduction18/08/25 02:16 AM
23

I didn’t say whether or not it’s appropriate, I just said I think it’s the sweet spot for age-based attractiveness in men. 18 year old women like 30-35 year old guys just as much as 25 year old women, appropriate or not.
/r/seduction17/08/25 11:51 PM
25

Not true in my experience, I’d even go further and say 30-35 is the sweet spot for most girls aged 18-35.
/r/seduction17/08/25 09:41 PM
201

Bro, particularly on dating apps, I found my prospects tripled when I turned 30. My guess is that a bunch of the girls were filtering out any guys 29 or under. Older guys are preferred, across almost every culture, and they always have been. 30-35 year old guys is about the sweet spot for most 20-25 year old girls.
/r/seduction17/08/25 07:26 PM
8

Bro you gotta give people a chance. She could be lively as hell and just nervous in the first 11 minutes.
/r/seduction16/08/25 06:42 AM
1

The phrase “unequally yoked” comes to mind. It’s a painful thing, but it’s for the best.
/r/seduction15/08/25 11:13 PM
64

Biggest thing is to just start failing. Get on the apps and send out messages. Go to the club or cafe or out on the street and talk to women. Make moves, get rejected, reevaluate and try again. From the way you write, you seem sharp and self-aware - I’m sure you’ll get back into the swing of it once you start. Momentum is the key.
/r/seduction13/08/25 03:13 AM
3

Of course you aren’t flexing, texting girls isn’t a flex if it doesn’t lead to dates. You don’t have abundance, you have 100+ leads you haven’t closed. It’s boring because it’s pointless. Instead of the spray-and-pray method, maybe focus on 3-5 of your favourites and actually try to meet with them in person for dates?
/r/seduction11/08/25 09:18 AM
1

She likes you, you like her, what’s the issue?
/r/seduction07/08/25 10:53 PM
2

Look, when you tell her that you look younger, or when you ask her how young you look, you’re exhibiting validation-seeking behaviour. That’ll hurt you way more than the age gap. Don’t try to downplay your age, just own it like it’s no big deal.
/r/seduction07/08/25 12:19 AM
2

I’d just wait a day or so and go “hey cute drive thru girl, whatup?” Or “hey trouble”, or whatever suits your speaking style. If you do want to call attention to it, act like it’s no big deal. Say something like “hey trouble. Recovered from the age reveal yet?” If it’s a dealbreaker for her, she’ll let you know or she’ll ghost you again and you can just let it go, but there’s no harm in giving a little nudge.
/r/seduction07/08/25 12:15 AM
6

The trick with the age gap is to treat it like no big deal and make jokes. What you said validated to her that she should care. I always found it fun to flip it around and act like the girl is hunting for an older man. “I should be careful, you’re clearly after my life insurance.” “So when did you discover your obsession with older men?” But you don’t have to give up after one unanswered text, you should just start the conversation again as though nothing happened.
/r/seduction06/08/25 11:55 PM
4

I think it also comes down to how you interpret the experiences you have had. I would be willing to bet a lot of the times you’ve diagnosed a rejection as being attractiveness-based, it’s been more about behaviour and connection.
/r/seduction06/08/25 11:13 AM
20

I promise you, that’s not the case, and that belief kills results way more than physical unattractiveness.
/r/seduction06/08/25 04:14 AM
27

Plenty of physically unattractive men get laid regularly like it’s nothing. Plenty of attractive men struggle. Looks really don’t matter much for men.
/r/seduction06/08/25 04:01 AM
122

Most of the guys I’ve known who were insanely good with beautiful women were average looking dudes with a quick wit and balls of steel. One that stands out is a guy I knew in high school. He wasn’t just average, he was under-average, with early balding, a weak frame, a slight hunch and a nasally voice. He used to cheat on all his partners and it was well known, but they all just seemed to love him anyway. He always seemed to land the hottest girl in the room, and the girls always seemed to go “I…
/r/seduction06/08/25 12:11 AM
8

It was a mix of things. I became a lot more accepting of and in-tune with myself, my flaws, my skills, my values, my goals, etc. I had confidence in my ability to be fun on dates and competent in bed, so I didn’t feel the need to prove myself. Meeting women became more about one equal person extending a hand to see if they have a connection with another equal person, rather than one lesser person trying to win over the other as most man-to-woman interactions go. I think the biggest shift was my …
/r/seduction05/08/25 01:20 AM
13

I was muscular through all my 20’s. When I turned 30, I got fat and had the best year of dating in my life. Mindset is everything. If losing weight gives you more confidence, it’ll help your game. If it doesn’t, it won’t.
/r/seduction04/08/25 11:16 PM
7

Way too much focus on broad appeal to find sexual partners, nowhere near enough focus on finding a wife.
/r/seduction27/07/25 09:31 PM
1

Sorry mate, besides his RSD Free Tour stuff I haven’t seen any of his old videos in a long time.
/r/seduction26/07/25 10:07 AM
3

One of Owen Cook’s old videos addressed this exact dichotomy and he made it suddenly make perfect sense to me when he said this: “Be the least affected, but the most engaged.” I had also just seen an infield of a “natural” guy who did an approach where he literally desperately pleaded with a girl for her to marry him and have his children. She was way into it. The “trick” is that the guy wasn’t really being desperate, he was joking around and it was very clear in his demeanour. He was just havin…
/r/seduction25/07/25 09:19 PM
3

In general, yeah, uptalk and higher pitches are less attractive than downward inflections and deeper tones in men. If you’re going for broad appeal, work on it. On an individual level, it doesn’t matter so much. If you just want to find a girl to love, there are plenty who won’t care about this at all.
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:12 PM
0

It’s a difficult balance, maintaining frame while also being open, engaged and inviting. It’s possible that in some instances, your “grounded, nonreactive” responses are also coming across as disengaged or condescending. Of course, there are some women who aren’t going to respond well no matter what you do. They’re all different. I’d suggest shifting your mindset. It’s not about winning frame control or trying to boost attraction. It’s about holding your own with calm confidence and inviting her…
/r/seduction24/07/25 10:57 PM
1

Hello, weather, work - the three most boring ways to open. Then you starting accusing her and taking it super seriously. Sorry dude, this one’s all you, I’m surprised she responded at all. Just try to be a bit more interesting man. Instead of saying hi, make a flirty comment about something in her pictures. Don’t ask her how she’s handling the heatwave, ask her if she’s beach-ready and turn it into a date idea. Don’t ask her what she does for work, take a wild guess and when she corrects you, te…
/r/seduction24/07/25 02:13 AM
0

They are implicit in the meaning of the word, particularly within the context of sex. If you make a move and she reciprocates happily and willingly, she actively participated and accepted your proposal. There’s no need to frame that as “she yielded to my request or demand”, it just adds an unnecessary connotation that separates the two of you in a way that hurts your connection. It’s fine if you disagree man, do what you want, I’m just trying to help.
/r/seduction23/07/25 10:07 PM
0

Comply literally means to yield to a request or demand, it frames the interaction as conquest rather than mutual desire, and using it reinforces that distinction in your mindset. You do you man, but I promise you that the words you use affect how you behave, how you interpret signals, and how women feel around you, even if they never hear you using them.
/r/seduction23/07/25 09:42 PM
5

My tip would be to ditch the pickup lingo - not just to save you from reddit arguments, but also to change your mindset. PUA terminology tends to frame everything as hunter Vs prey, and it dehumanises dating in a way that can genuinely make it harder to succeed. For example, “complied” in this context is a PUA term, and I never liked it. It implies obligated obedience. What you really mean is that you want her to willingly follow your lead in mutual desire. It’s much like how PUA’s frame relucta…
/r/seduction23/07/25 08:57 PM
10

You used the words “pressed a little harder” which sounds a lot like “continued to ask for it after she said no”. Even if that’s not what you meant, you have to be able to see how it sounds that way. But I think I get where you’re coming from with your responses here, because there IS a difference between pressuring for sex and just keeping the door open. There’s a balance you can strike where you make it clear sex is still on the table, while also making it clear you’re totally fine with whatev…
/r/seduction23/07/25 08:06 PM
1

How about the reason she gave you? That she had a good time but just didn’t feel a romantic connection? That doesn’t say that you’re repulsive, it just says she didn’t feel a strong chemistry. Maybe she’s been on a couple of dates and is just slightly more into another guy over you. Maybe she’s a little nervous and just getting back into dating and has decided she’s not ready yet. Maybe her fuckin’ dad died after your date and she’s just not feeling like getting to know someone new anymore. Agai…
/r/seduction22/07/25 07:20 PM
1

You ever think your problem might be that you jump to the worst possible conclusions? There’s literally an endless number of reasons she could have said what she said, and you assume it’s that she finds you repulsive or wanted a free drink. Assume better, it’s often more accurate and it’ll help with your confidence.
/r/seduction22/07/25 01:51 AM
1

Always assume positive intent and playfully misinterpret things in a positive way. Absolutely game-changing.
/r/seduction22/07/25 01:38 AM
4

I know three guys (one ugly Indian dude, a short Vietnamese guy and a really short white guy) who all frequently date gorgeous white women in Melbourne because they honed in on their social competence and game. As a tall, good looking white guy, I used to be jealous because I wasn’t getting half of their results. Then later, I actually got a bit fat, but simultaneously had the best six months of dating in my life, because I’d finally broken down those mental barriers and become a lot more confid…
/r/seduction20/07/25 06:48 PM
1

Partner dancing. No other skills even come close.
/r/seduction16/07/25 04:33 AM
1

You want your profile to signal abundance, not baggage. Cheeky standards like “must have good banter” or “must pretend to like my band” signal that you are fun and take things lightly. Applying real standards doesn’t pan out so well. Whether it applies to them or not, the feeling it triggers is “who the hell is this guy to judge me?”
/r/seduction16/07/25 04:16 AM
48

I wouldn’t force it, man. Just focus on building a social circle that naturally includes more attractive women. Spend time building genuine friendships without trying to sleep with them. If you do it authentically, you’ll find a lot of them will show signs of interest. The hard part for a lot of guys is doing it authentically. If you’re only befriending women with the hopes of something more, or to boost your status or flex social proof, that subtle neediness will still come across and they’ll k…
/r/seduction16/07/25 03:54 AM
206

There’s a difference between looking like a man with options, and looking like a man who’s actively pursuing many options. Contrary to what the MPUA’s say to sell the harem fantasy they promise in their courses, not a lot of women want to share. The trick is to give the appearance that other girls like you, but can’t have you. Having female friends who flirt with you, exes who still want you, a social media presence with engagement from women, etc. Random girls texting while you’re with someone?…
/r/seduction16/07/25 02:51 AM
1

Social media is always the better option. It puts a face to the name, and it’s GOLDEN for your game if your social media page demonstrates value through exciting stories and well-taken pictures. Numbers force a girl to try to remember what you looked like after one interaction with you. Even if your game is absolutely solid, that’ll give you a higher baseline ghost-rate.
/r/seduction16/07/25 01:42 AM
4

Why are you rude to beggars?
/r/seduction15/07/25 11:27 PM
5

You try being small and fragile and eye-fucked by giants everywhere you go, you’d have a high guard with strangers too. Work on your empathy bro. You might seem nice and friendly, but so do serial killers at first. They don’t know which one you’ll be. This is why you give time constraints and choose your words carefully - it’s to show social grace and make it clear that it’s a conversation, not harassment.
/r/seduction15/07/25 11:22 PM
6

It was insanely high, and I wouldn’t actually recommend it. I was pretty much texting and talking and going out from the moment I woke up till the moment I went to bed. I got a huge number of rejections and ghostings too. I was caught up in the excitement of having this sudden momentum and wanted to see how far I could push it, but I was absolutely burning myself out and it was starting to not be fun anymore. My date with my now-wife was actually supposed to be the last one before I went hermit-…
/r/seduction11/07/25 01:22 AM
22

I was deep into theory through most of my 20’s, listening to heaps of talks and books and analysing infields, going out every week to practise, making money, working out, etc. I got middling results. When I turned 30, something in me clicked and I dropped most of the “game” side of game. I just did what felt natural, whether it was good game or not. I completely let go of outcome dependence and even let interactions tank on purpose if it felt there wasn’t natural chemistry. I became very clear a…
/r/seduction10/07/25 10:37 PM
1

You need to figure out your endgame bro. “Get good” is not the end, it’s the middle. Do you want to be married one day? Or something else? If you’re chasing the satisfaction of knowing you “made it” and that your dating life is “finally good”, I have a hard truth for you: you’ll absolutely never, ever feel that. The best pickup guys in the world are also the best at seeing their own flaws, and the hottest girls in the world still aren’t perfect. The better you get, the higher you’ll raise the st…
/r/seduction24/06/25 08:37 PM
1

Haha man I just know that when I was sleeping around, the girls who were new to casual sex always caught feelings and got hurt, and the girls who were chill with it always seemed somehow broken inside emotionally. I just don’t think non-monogamy is good for women from my experience, so I don’t think I could be a virtuous, honourable guy and still enable that behaviour. But hey if you just wanna fuck around while still acting chivalrous and classy, there’s nothing stopping you.
/r/seduction24/06/25 12:06 AM
1

Depends how you define the terms. To me, gentlemen are strictly monogamous.
/r/seduction23/06/25 10:47 PM
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