WalkOnPartInAWar Archive

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1	More men are raped in the US than women Nope, it says that 50 million is the number of lifetime rapes for women. Says it right on the table. I see what you're doing, you're comparing "Forced penetration" to "Completed rape", disregarding all attempted rape, rape via intoxication, and coercion, in which case you're throwing out all of the information that you wouldn't take into account because it doesn't fit with your beliefs. No, you're still lying. It says no such thing on the table and the figures I provided earlier include both att…	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 02:30 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Lol, what do you think the tables say? Women clearly have stronger numbers. As I have pointed out several times now, they say that rape figures for US men and women were roughly the same for 2009/2010 (1,270,000 vs. 1,267,000 - not properly accounting for prison, military and homeless populations). At no point do they say that 50 million US women were raped; a figure that you have persistently and hypocritically been lying about.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 02:09 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Can't tell if you're trolling, or you're just that ignorant. Anyone who reads the tables will see that you are a liar. I stopped thinking that your lies came form ignorance several comments ago.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:56 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Liar.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:40 PM
0	More men are raped in the US than women Nope, I'm speaking just of the ones categorized as "Rape", in addition to forcible envelopment, since it appears agreed-upon that such also qualifies as rape. Liar.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:41 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women I didn't say you misconstrued facts, I said you lied. You have been saying that 50 million women were raped according to tables 2.1 and 2.2 in this study. According to your own source, this is a lie. You are no better than the Daily Mail.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:38 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women On the table under the category of rape, lol. Only if you include leering and catcalls as rape. Liar.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:32 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women You can't quote a table. It's on page 28/29, or 18/19. Look at the numbers of lifetime rape, and forcible envelopment for each side. Add up the numbers. There's not much else I can do for you. Yes you can. Where in the table does it say 50 million women were raped? It doesn't. You are every bit as bad as the Daily Mail.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:27 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Just like you're biased against men and boys for manipulating the facts.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:25 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Biased against men and boys it would appear.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:23 AM
-1	More men are raped in the US than women Like, I've linked to a source, the numbers are there. I don't know how to go through to you. Quote it. You're telling porky pies.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 03:21 AM
3	attempted rape = rape, but only if a girl is the victim. (The White House Council on Women and Girls) [Pg. 1, Fn. 1] To be fair, they also appear to consider "made to penetrate" to include "attempted made to penetrate". Of course, they don't count "made to penetrate" as rape and they seem quite happy to let these victims pass without comment despite the first couple of lines from the executive summary: This report analyzes the most recent, reliable data about rape and sexual assault in our country. It identifies those most at risk of being victims of these crimes So, yeah, it looks like they set their definiti…	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 02:01 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women What's worse: A typo Deliberately lying about rape stats /u/PeterPorky and the DAILY MAIL are guilty of option 2.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:58 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women /u/PeterPorky is guilty of the same behaviour that he accuses the Daily email of. He started of with a good point about misuse of statistics and then spent the next few hours doing the same.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:52 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women If the numbers are insignificant then why would the report mention the "higher" and "much higher" rates to begin with? I guess that leaves us with a biased author. Not exactly surprising.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:41 AM
2	More men are raped in the US than women No, lifetime comparisons are 8.7M compared to 50M Wrong again. Stop lying.	/r/MensRights	09/02/14 01:38 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Yes, it is interesting. Why do you think this is?	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 12:22 PM
4	More men are raped in the US than women On the tables on page 28/29 (or 18/19) it clearly shows that more women were raped than men, even taking forcible envelopment into account. You mean 1,270,000 vs. 1,267,000? This is within a 0.25% margin of error and the report itself states that these statistics do not properly account for prison populations.	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 12:11 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women No, there are statistics that support my claim, rather than a feeling. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report statistics that you have been citing indicate the US males and females were raped in approximately equal numbers over the 12 month 2009/2010 period. It also states that these figures do not properly account for prison, military and homeless populations (where men might reasonably be assumed to comprise the majority of rape victims). It is a known fa…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 12:07 PM
2	More men are raped in the US than women No, there is nothing on those pages that says that 50 million US women have been raped. I have already pointed this out. Quote the part that says 50 million women were raped or stop lying. What those pages do say and what I have already pointed out repeatedly, is that without properly accounting for the rape of prison, military and homeless populations (where men might reasonably be assumed to make up the majority of rape victims), US men and women were raped in approximately equal numbers in ov…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 12:00 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Good catch and thanks again. Here is the relevant definition in the study: Being made to penetrate someone else includes times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Among women, this behavior ref…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 08:13 AM
1	"...the CDC considers attempted forced penetration to fall within the definition of 'rape'..." (The White House Council on Women and Girls) [Pg. 1, Fn. 1] To be fair, they also appear to consider "made to penetrate" to include "attempted made to penetrate". Of course, they don't count "made to penetrate" as rape and they seem quite happy to let these victims pass without comment despite the first couple of lines from the executive summary: This report analyzes the most recent, reliable data about rape and sexual assault in our country. It identifies those most at risk of being victims of these crimes So, yeah, it looks like they set their definiti…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 05:26 AM
1	More men are raped in the US than women Do you have any reason to believe that the potential differences are so drastic that they would skew the numbers to the point where more men are raped by women? Yes, I do have reason to believe that sex based differences in self-reporting could be statistically significant and the researchers you cited agree with me. In your first comment you made this unsourced point: It's estimated that only 16% rape cases are reported by women, so this will skew the numbers. So it would appear that you also a…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 04:00 AM
2	More men are raped in the US than women Thanks. edit: I should also point out that the 12 Month Rape Prevalence of Sexual Violence — US Women figure of 1,270,000 also includes 519,000 cases of "Attempted forced penetration". edit again: I should now point out that the 1,267,000 figure to males "made to penetrate" also includes "attempts". So we now have the following: 1,270,000 female rape victims + unknown number of female victims of "made to penetrate" - 519,000 female victims of attempted rape + x number of female rape victims in p…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 03:25 AM
2	More men are raped in the US than women The statistics I cited in my above reply were from the source that you provided. There is no table on page 28/29 which states that 50 million US women have been raped. Stop lying. If your point is that less men than women in the US are raped when you disregard cases of forced envelopment and don't properly account for homeless, military and prison populations, then there is no argument - but it is you who shifted the goal posts. You still haven't shown the title of this reddit submission to be w…	/r/MensRights	08/02/14 03:25 AM
3	More men are raped in the US than women However, prison sexual assault will rarely, if ever, be forcible envelopment from one inmate to another, so taking that factor into account here where it simply isn't happening is fallacious. "Men, on the other hand, reported higher rates than women of sexual misconduct by staff members (most of which is committed by staff of the opposite sex), and in juvenile detention, boys reported much higher rates of abuse by staff than girls did—most, again, committed by women." source: Tamen_'s link	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 06:28 PM
1	More men are raped in the US than women http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya#Legally_prescribed_rates	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 06:14 PM
3	More men are raped in the US than women I looked at your statistics. This is what I found: 12 Month Prevalence of Sexual Violence — U .S . Women Rape: 127,000 Made to penetrate: * (Statistically insignificant) 12 Month Prevalence of Sexual Violence — U .S . Men Rape: * (Statistically insignificant) Made to penetrate: 126,700 Additionally, "Completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration" accounts for another 781,000 female "rape" victims, so you may have a point. Having said that, I also found the following two items of interest under …	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 05:59 PM
2	More men are raped in the US than women I made no claim regarding differences in self-reporting of sexual assault between male and female inmates but it would not surprise me in the least if men were less likely to identify as victims. I merely pointed out that potential differences in self-reporting behaviour between men and women are as relevant to the interpretation of the statistics as the fact that US males are incarcerated in greater numbers, more often and for longer (i.e. the point you were making). "Made to penetrate" can wor…	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 04:33 PM
2	More men are raped in the US than women Differences in self-reporting behaviour between men ad women is another issue relevant to the validity of raw statistics garnered from a survey of male and female inmates who self-identify as victims of sexual assault. QUOTE: "Made to penetrate" can work both ways. A man can be made to penetrate a woman. A woman can be made to penetrate by a man.	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 04:05 PM
2	More men are raped in the US than women Yes, Rape != sexual assault. Yes, A survey indicating that a higher number (and proportion) of incarcerated US males (than females) self-identify as victims of sexual assault != More men are raped in the US than women. Also, US male victims of "made to penetrate" + "rape" > US female victims of "made to penetrate" + "rape" == More men are raped in the US than women; provided that you consider "made to penetrate" to be a form of rape i.e. that you are a reasonable person. The title of this reddit…	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 04:00 PM
8	More men are raped in the US than women You have a valid point regarding the false equivalency of the raw numbers of incarcerated males and females who self-identify as victims of sexual assault. It will come as no surprise to regular browsers of this subreddit that males are incarcerated for longer durations and in greater frequency than (otherwise equivalent) females. This is to say nothing of the potential differences in self-reporting behaviour between men and women. Having said that, your willingness to conflate the numbers of me…	/r/MensRights	07/02/14 03:31 PM