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0	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older?	Discussion	WanWhiteWolf	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 05:29 AM

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1	According to RedPill/MGTOW, are healthy long term relationships just not possible? It's called life experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/21 02:56 PM
1	According to RedPill/MGTOW, are healthy long term relationships just not possible? > Based on what? My life experience and all friends who have struggled and succeeded after. > And being "alpha" as most Red pill describe would immediately repel self respecting women. I am not an "alpha" so I cannot really comment comment on that. However, alphas - from what I've seen - tend to have a high success with women. That's from all spectrum of choices (attractive, intelligent, educated). I can tell you they are not kind, respectful or empathic. RP philosophy is quite terrible in my ey…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 09:19 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? That's probably for US and not for the whole world. There was an article that made the average all countries. Cannot find the article but you can take the source from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#:~:text=Age%20difference%20in%20heterosexual%20married%20couples%2C%202017%20US,%20%2011.2%20%209%20more%20rows%20 Countries with lower age discrepancy also seem to have the highest divorce rates: https://www.unifiedlawyers.com.au/blog/global-divorce-rates-st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 07:52 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? > You only get the larger average by adding in African countries where women don't have free choice. Cannot find the article but the average was worldwide. Probably they take into account all countries and not western country only. However, the country you mentioned have the highest divorce rates. For example, Spain has 65% divorce rate chance (!?!). https://www.unifiedlawyers.com.au/blog/global-divorce-rates-statistics/ So I am not sure the society found the proper balance in this regard. Obvio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 07:44 PM
2	According to RedPill/MGTOW, are healthy long term relationships just not possible? > With only a small percentage of women. I think it's right the opposite. Being kind, nice, openly expressing your feeling ...etc will leave you nowhere. To put it simple, I haven't met a SINGLE woman in 5-10+ years of dating that would be attracted to that. They THINK they are. They say they are. In reality it just doesn't happen. That's what get men confused. They act "accordingly" and the nice girl goes to the a-hole jackass in the end. And you are left with the "WTF?" in your mind. Once you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 05:37 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? > Maybe the guy can just try be attracted to the woman he actually likes instead of being attracted to an age. It's really weird to say he's giving up his preference by dating the woman he is attracted to. Of course, both men and women should be dating whoever they feel attracted to. Point that I was trying to make is that in a relationship, one of them can afford to be shallow; the other doesn't. Hence, as a man, if you want to be picked for other traits and not psychical looks, you should date…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 02:28 AM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? > Good romance isn't about socio-economic status or looks. You need an emotional connection which is significantly more likely with someone your own age. I didn't find any data saying that emotional connection is more or less likely outside your age. All information available has no reference to age. Example: https://medium.com/@clarecoxwriting/emotional-connection-how-to-tell-if-yours-is-real-with-tips-for-better-intimacy-a553b3b74a55#:~:text=In%20an%20emotionally%20intimate%20setting,growing%2…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 02:00 AM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? What does age matter when it comes to love? You are not more OR less likely to love outside your age. Age is irrelevant when it comes to that. Since it's irrelevant, you might as well look for the "best deal" otherwise. You are equally likely to love and be loved anyway. But that's not the topic in question - rather the shallow justification of each group. If a man dates within his own age, he gives up his physical attraction preference ( which is 20-22 years old). Exception of course when he is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/21 01:21 AM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? 30% of the women are single between 20 and 30. 51% of the men are single between 20 and 30. Men and women count roughly the same. The above is the statistics from 2020 if I remember right. Hence 20% of the women between 20-30 are in a relationship with someone 30+. > Attractive women date who they want and that's attractive guys. Absolutely. However, once they look to settle, finance, status, maturity becomes more relevant. And those things are usually higher on older men. On average, women marr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 11:58 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? Every year more women turn 20. Every year more women break off as well. The number probably remains constant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 11:27 PM
6	Not believing body count? My thoughts exactly. Most men I know had that body count at age of 25. And they were not religious. A few players racking 50+ but most men had 3 girlfriends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 09:09 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? The average woman in her 20' has more options than the average men in his 20'. At 30 y, you can say that despite her options, she didn't find anyone to settle win. For a man that's not the case as he may not have had much to choose from. If they are both 40+, I agree with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 05:44 PM
1	Are women dating in their age range more shallow than the ones who date older? > Yes but only til ca. end twenties. After then the gap slowly closes. So, no, women in their 30s who date age appropriate are not shallow. That might be true if we assume that the maturity age gap decreases within a few years. There is no source for that. Both sexes continue to gain life experiences. We could argue that the relative gap decreases (e.g. 4 years of life experience means more when you are 25 but much less when you are 50). And even if that's true, it's only valid for women in thei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 05:37 PM
1	How physically attracted to you does a man need to be? For some reason men consider this very important, and become extra salty if a woman 'spent' her youth on some other guy (or guys). I don't think spending her youth with other guys is the problem. It is spending the time with other guys in general. Option 1: Woman 25y old with 30+ sexual partners Option 2: Woman 30y old virgin Assuming all else equal, I am pretty sure the vast majority of men will pick option 2 for marriage. It's a promiscuity problem; not a youth problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 04:49 AM
2	Is the belief that currency bestows value to men inherently misandrist to you? It's not a belief. According to data, women will date/marry same on higher socio-economic level in 93% of the cases (on my phone can't find the exact article). That is the most strongest documented "preference" of a woman. I couldn't find the statistics for height (e.g. how many women would date/marry the same height or higher) but I imagine that would be the only stat that would have a chance compete. Admittedly, the question is about currency (economic) and the research is about socio-economic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/21 01:45 AM
5	According to RedPill/MGTOW, are healthy long term relationships just not possible? RP has pretty good tips when it comes to "hooking up". I don't like the tips but unfortunately they work. They are based on core attraction principles. However, for LTR you need something completely different. A healthy relationship is not going to last years without being honest, trustworthy, empathic, compassionate, similar values ... etc. Men joining RP and MGTOW are doing this as result of negative life experiences. They gave up on LTR but since biological need for sex is still there, they f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/21 12:38 AM
1	Should I marry? "Who do you marry" is considered the most important decision of your life. That said, I am not sure a forum is best to answer your question. However, I can give you some pointers. First, the younger you marry, the higher chance of divorce: https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/#:~:text=43.,25%20will%20end%20in%20divorce. Age: 48 percent of those who marry before the age of 18 are likely to divorce within 10 years, compared to 25 percent of those who marry after the age of 25. 6…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/21 10:05 AM
11	STDs reach all-time high for 6th consecutive year! That's actually similar with my experience. In University, 3rd year(22-23) I had a girlfriend (luckily). All my roommates were virgins. Half the friends in the campus were virgins as well. Meanwhile, Mr.Chad neighbor was bringing a new girl every evening. I remember we were making bets on whether he brings a blonde or brunette (he didn't seem to like red-haired). Everyone won/lost since he brought both at the same time. He said it's all about personality. He was pretty much a a-hole jackass so r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/21 09:24 AM
3	STDs reach all-time high for 6th consecutive year! I guess it depends how you read it. .1. The report is about men not having sex in the last year (2018) .2. The last year report (2018) is about men not having sex (ever) I browsed through the article. Can't figure exactly which one - I am not English native so maybe I am missing something. It seems people went with the 2nd interpretation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/21 07:41 AM
11	STDs reach all-time high for 6th consecutive year! Welcome to to the world of under average looking man! :D https://boingboing.net/2021/03/22/adult-male-virginity-soars.html " . About 27% of men under thirty report that they haven't had sex since turning 18 " That's more than 1/4 men are virgins. Do you really think the hypergamy and 80/20 rule discussions spawned out of thin air? If you didn't win the genetics lottery, you are in for a nice ride ...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/21 07:20 AM
24	STDs reach all-time high for 6th consecutive year! " Young People Aged 15–24 years Make up 61% of chlamydia cases. Make up 42% of gonorrhea cases." 30% of the men are virgins until they reach 30 so I am guessing chads and hypergamy enthusiasts have the front row. There is 20% that someone has STD and if he/she is attractive, then there is a higher chance of having it. Just ask for testing before relationship. Problem solved. At least until he/she cheats ...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/21 06:43 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege How do you figure that? For every woman with her "soulmate", there is equally a man with his soulmate too, right? My assumption that the reciprocation is not applicable. Same as ... loving someone. It can be in one direction but the reverse might not be applicable. Of course, it's theoretical only. I don't know any real life example so I cannot relate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 02:51 PM
2	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege I don't know if it works in reverse (someone is your soulmate then the reciprocity applies).For example, someone can be the love of your life but the reverse might not be applicable. It's probably a more philosophical question - as the term itself quite ideological to begin with. In my 35 years, I haven't met any couple that I would consider soulmates or that call themselves anything remotely to that. So we would be would arguing whether a group has slightly more chance to win the lottery. Even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 02:17 PM
2	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege Then you are doing something wrong. Are you fit / muscular ? If not hit the gym for 6 months Do you have a career ? If not, then look around your age or single moms. Can you hold interesting conversations? If not, pick Kindle and read a few books. I don't think anything else matter. I am 5'4'. Even with severely height disadvantage I can get dates on OLD. All women are taller than me (I live in a tall country). If I can do it, pretty sure most people should be able to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 05:43 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege Just because someone found a wife on Tinder doesn't mean it's a dating app. There are dedicated sites for dating. Tinder is mostly for hooking up. If it happens to be something more, then why not. But people don't have the mindset for long term relation when they go on tinder. If they would, they would go on an ACTUAL dating site where they take everything into account (e.g. education) and have a personality test that will hint whoever you are most likely compatible with. Who the hell writes the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 05:07 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege I think the mentality is to date younger because it has some benefits. If it doesn't work -> at least you have good sex and move to the next If it does work -> you might get married and have a younger wife There aren't that many downsides. Sure, you won't do 50/50 on bills but that's not really a problem for anyone who is mildly successful. Women in their 20' can do whatever they want. They can look for either casual sex or relationships. A good part of them choose casual sex - and that allows t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 04:54 AM
3	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege OLD (Tinder) is not for relationships. That's for hookup/sex. Yes, women can have easier sex in their 20'. For relationships it's equal. I mean, assuming men and women population is equal, who do you think gets in a relationship with a woman? A man. So simple deduction says that men and women have the same amount of relationships. If 1000 women get into a relationship -> 1000 men are in relationship. So the numbers are the same. You can argue that those 1000 men spent more effort "chasing" the w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 04:37 AM
3	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege You are correct. Women in their 20' have the upper hand. But life doesn't end on 29. Men will date more than women at later ages. Who do you think dates the almost 20% women gap in their 20? Over the lifetime men and women date the same amount. Yes, it's not distributed fairly. Men in their 30' are pretty much going for 20' women and women in their 30' complain with "where are all the good men gone?" articles. Tables turn. Overall you get the same opportunities but at different points in life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 04:27 AM
2	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege I cannot speak for everyone but in my experience, whoever is doing this is because of missed opportunities in their 20' or because they might desire children. Due to women hypergamy, average women in their 20' can have sex with better looking guys. Idea is to have fun while young and "cash-out on marriage" while closing on 30'. Average men on the other hand won't have a rich sexual life in their 20'. In fact, more than 1/4 men in US between 18-30 are virgins. Once men reach 30, work a bit on the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 04:19 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege That's not what I said. If you are discussing a topic that you are emotional affected, you may not be "discussing" but rather venting your frustration. The main difference is: Can you be objective and listen? If yes, then by all means. If no, then it will only do more harm. If you have objective discussions then you can point out studies, for example. Or general trends based on studies. It's also ok to be self conscious about how negative points of your past affect your current judgement. Saying…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 01:27 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege This happens on both sides (men and women). If we are talking about under 50 years old, the cheating is between 10-15% for both men and women. Men have slightly higher tendency but we are talking about few %. Older men tend to cheat more often than women. The main reason quoted is generally "lack of sex" as women after mesopause have low / no sex drive which tends to end up in imbalanced needs. Source: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 01:00 AM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege In my opinion it depends from which perspective you are arguing and how objective you are. For example, I can argue pro lesbian rights and highlight inequality as it's the logical / moral thing to do. I can be quite objective as I don't know anyone who a lesbian - it's just seems to human reason. But when I am arguing in men vs women generic topic, you have to pay attention. We are biased. According to studies, 98% of people are biased, 2% can be objective when they are discussing about a topic …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/21 12:18 AM
2	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege Women were disadvantaged in career. To some extent they might still be discriminated. It's really hard to asses but at least around me, I would say men and women are treated fairly equal (I know their salaries). - If you bring such discussion in a career context, I would see how you will project a negative image upon yourself. Women are not in advantage when it comes to career. - If the discussion comes into a relationship context, it's usually because you bring it up. I've yet to see any woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 10:25 PM
-3	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege Genders are not equal though out the history. We just happen to live in a time where, on average, a woman has more overall privilege than a man. Nothing that significant though - in my opinion. I don't see this as a "problem". Because I think someone should be comparing against his previous self, rather than others. Also, this is probably a first world problem. In some parts of the world men are still extremely dominant and being a woman is a life sentence for being sex slave.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 09:21 PM
5	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege Being attractive gives you many options in life. Same options won't be available to someone unattractive. It's valid for both sexes. Having options is better than not having them. Simple as that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 08:38 PM
1	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege You have a point but there are some things that you have to consider: There is little risk of a man choosing career. That is, on average, you are going to be financially set. The only difference is the extent; but regardless of that, there are no many ways you can generally "fail". That's not the case in reverse. Many women invest a lot of time in their relationships and they don't work out. If you are a woman in mid 30', no career, your general future might look more grim than a man on mid 30' …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 08:26 PM
26	If relationships are more valuable than wealth, then women have the most privilege It's a fair point. However, having the possibility of being in relationships increases your chance of finding "the one". So from a pure statistical point of view, women are more likely to find their soulmate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 08:03 PM
1	Would You Make The Trade? Would I trade to be a woman? I like being a man. From a pure pragmatic point of view, it would be much better for me to be a woman - assuming I can keep the same traits. I am in the top 20% earner and women colleagues doing similar work earn the same salary (I know their income). When it comes to sex, dating and personal life, I find it's much more easier on the other side. I don't see how I could "date higher" as a man. All of my female colleagues are married / have boyfriends at least one tier…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 05:07 PM
1	How much is love worth? Having only truly loved once, I can say : Probably everything that I can afford before starving. So if I would have to choose between a soul mate and being the richest man on the planet, the answer would be really simple. It's not even a fair comparison. I would probably give up the ability to live a double lifetime AND being the richest man on the planet in a trade of a soulmate. Realistically though, there are plenty ways to extend your life and make money. There is none that would bring you c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 04:26 PM
2	A balanced take on the 80/20 rule There is no need to "estimate", there are some numbers out there: https://ifstudies.org/blog/promiscuous-america-smart-secular-and-somewhat-less-happy " One percent of American women have had over 35 partners; the comparable figure for men is 150. " So the most promiscuous man had 4x more sexual partners than the most promiscuous woman. " he 5% of Americans who report having more sex partners than the other 95 percent " The numbers for women are more linear. The ones from men are exponential. Ob…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 03:38 PM
1	Do most men really prefer younger women to women in their age range? Yes, if all else equal, A man will find a woman between 20-22 the most physically attractive. A woman will find a man around her age (a bit older than her before 30, a bit younger than her after 30) the most physically attractive. There is even real life statistics on this topic: https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?r=DE&IR=T So if a couple is a similar age, means the woman is more physically satisfied and the man found something else at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 03:23 PM
2	What percent of men are opportunistically sexually predatory, if you had to guess? It depends on where you live. I would say 5-10% of men have done at least once in their lifetime one of those points.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 02:44 PM
3	Women aren't wrong or shallow for wanting a tall partner I never understood the shallow shamming thing. Yes, women can change every single aspect that makes them unattractive. Men cannot do that for height. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have that preference to begin with. Just because you cannot change it, doesn't mean it shouldn't affect attractiveness. I mean, IQ is mostly genetic. You don't see people complaining about being shallow wanting intelligent partners. And yes, height has a huge impact for men when it comes to dating. I am 5'4' and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 01:06 PM
2	Women shouldn't get angry about men lying about their job, body, height, or hobbies when women lie about those things as well in a similar fashion I find this a bit one sided. Each sex has "lying options" to advertise itself as being more attractive. If we try to make it equal and honest, fine by me. But let's apply it to both sides. I am not sure how the world will look like if the women didn't wear any makeup or be completely open and honest about their sexual history. And even if this is somehow implemented, how exactly do we get a proof so we don't end up in "he said, she said" scenarios. Are we supposed to come with a "Dating CV", whi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 12:29 PM
2	Do you think that young men under 30 will begin seeing sex workers more often due to "The Stats"? I absolutely agree. Even though I never used the service, I am happy that I am living in a location with an open mind. Not everyone has the genetics to compete for casual sex - just an option for those who want to experience sexual pleasure. It also makes dating a bit easier as whoever is purely sex oriented might be inclined to go for an easier route. Hence less "he used me just for sex" related issues. Not saying it's not happening but less than it would be otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 11:50 AM
6	Do you think that young men under 30 will begin seeing sex workers more often due to "The Stats"? I guess you go with a condom pack and hope they don't break. They are constantly tested - required by law - and I think they are not allowed to perform to any events unless they are healthy. I mean, it would be a risk for all her colleagues and I doubt the brothel owner wants to lose his/her business. Either way, I think something like 12% of the sex workers end up with HIV after a few years of practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 12:51 AM
3	Do you think that young men under 30 will begin seeing sex workers more often due to "The Stats"? But you have 2 times more prettier women. So it averages out in the end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/21 12:41 AM
2	Feminism Mega Thread I never really dived into either of those "ideologies" so going on a limb based on first impressions. I think the idea of targeting "top-tier" men, while abusing average/low caliber men expands on both sides. I think one example from feminists was to put up sexual harassment complaint at work UNLESS whoever was complimenting was attractive. For FDS it seems the same. Half of their "strategies" are about games and mental gymnastics that will make most sane men cringe. For example, one strategy is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 11:48 PM
7	Feminism Mega Thread Isn't FDS the feminism nowadays? Just scrolled a bit on that sub and saw similar mindset.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 11:26 PM
6	Do you think that young men under 30 will begin seeing sex workers more often due to "The Stats"? I live in Munich, Germany. A sex worker cost 50 Euro. A dinner in a nice place costs about the same. Food is really good. Can't really compare the experience as I was never interested in casual sex. I remember a former colleague went to a "all you can fuck" event for like 150 Euros. As in....you stay all night and sex with whoever you want. Example article: https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvb49p/a-visit-to-one-of-germanys-all-you-can-fuck-brothels-432 Germans brag about their beer. While definit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 11:20 PM
1	How far would you lower your standards to get laid? I generally increase my standards for sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 10:59 PM
17	Do you think that young men under 30 will begin seeing sex workers more often due to "The Stats"? "loneliness" is not something you fix with a sex worker. That one you fix by yourself. Lust for pure sex is what you can fix with a sex worker. However, I imagine that most inexperienced men in their 20' are looking for intimacy. Unfortunately, they won't find it with most women that are on the "market" or with a sex worker. I don't think money is generally an issue. Where I live, it costs less than dinner to have sex. Morals, stigma, STD risks, desire of sleeping with someone that doesn't desir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 10:36 PM
2	What exactly is "pump and dump" and how frequent is it? I never understood the whole "pump and dump" topic. You have a problem with it? Stop doing sex with everyone. Go into this ritual called "dating" and once you figure out that you both like each other, go into a relationship and fuck like rabbits if that's what you want. A girl said that I was probably a fuck boy because I am way to confident. I told her we can date without having sex for as long as she wants. After 2 months we got into a relationship. A guy who just wants to fuck won't bother da…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/21 10:27 PM
2	Why is Tinder and so on significant? Statistically it’s like 1% of women. Where did you get this number? I read a report that since 2018, OLD is the most common form of dating in US. Do you have any data? The only difference between men and women is that women have more options so they can get it done faster/easier This translates into having sex or not having sex. Let say someone wants to have sex tonight. Woman? Jump on Tinder -> Do 100 swipes -> Ask some dudes: Do you want to come at my place? Problem solved. Man? Jump on Tinder…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 07:46 PM
5	If men hate shallow women so much, why do they keep going on tinder? Tinder is not a dating app. It's a sex app. While it's not impossible to get into a relationship, it's generally not the place to look for. If you want to date, you look on other sites, where you actually put education, long term desires, religion, children, personality test ... etc General looks and fitness is the first test. You don't pass it, nobody cares about anything else. Of course, the threshold is different for each individual. There are obviously some rare exceptions but that's just be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 06:47 PM
4	Why is Tinder and so on significant? > “her own assessment” makes this irrelevant Why? I am not saying you can generalize but it doesn't make it irrelevant. Sure, attraction is different for different people but it's unlikely that a 9/10 would be considered a 4/10 by other women. Point is, she considered the match significantly more attractive than any other men and herself. I saw the 7/10 she ended up it. I agree he is better looking that her but I cannot judge by how much. > I know that it’s easier for women to get sex And that's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 01:13 PM
7	Why is Tinder and so on significant? Look, I have a woman friend who is average (5/10) looks and just ended a long term relationship. She stated on her profile that since she is out of a relationship, she doesn't look for anything serious but rather something fun and casual. She got 388 messages from 340 guys within one week. Guys ranging from 3/10 to 9/10 (her own assessment). Obviously, way less on high end and the vast majority of 4/10 - 7/10. She went with a 7/10 guy because she was interested in a FWB and was not confident tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 12:19 PM
1	Q4All: In your opinion, at what age is it still pathetic to be a virgin? I don't think the word "pathetic" can be applied to someone because of a life choice. For example, I know a 27y old woman virgin. I would date her. She is just not interested. Why judge others on how they want to live their lives? Of course, it does not mean you are compatible with that person. I think your question should have been more of "At which age, would you consider a virgin non-dateable". In this case, it would be about compatibility assessment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 12:07 PM
1	Thoughts on behavioral sink? > Yes, forced marriages is how the problem was tackled in the past to keep population stable, because natural human mating patterns are not conductive to raising taxes, armies and empires you can zerg rush barbarians with. I don't think forced marriages are the solution. But rather making known the consequences. For example, plenty women are not aware of the dynamics until they reach 30. Only then they see the predicament they are in and it's quite late in a lot of cases. We are studying differe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 11:45 AM
15	Why is Tinder and so on significant? She can do it in real life as well. The difference is, the opportunity doesn't present itself as they don't roam in the same circles. To take an extreme example: Imagine a guy who is extremely fit , drives a Lamborghini and spends most of time travelling and skiing. Do you think he will ever be in the same social circle as someone who is in university? Also, if an attractive guy just want to have sex, he won't bother going to clubs anymore - what people used to do. He can just swipe 100 women af…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 10:57 AM
1	Thoughts on behavioral sink? In terms of behavioral sink, new frontiers. The issue is that there are no (viable) frontiers left. Perhaps this is why black pillers have a doomsday wish - an apocalypse would inherently shake the status quo. Technology and society can also help with the situation. Imagine a personality test that would match you with high accuracy with the people you have a high chance of being your "soul mate". Or some new laws that would make the divorce equally painful for men and women. However, I think mos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 10:42 AM
5	Ironically, it’s men who have low opinions of short men and good men, not women. I don't think women hate short men. They just don't date them. It's a matter of preference. A man under 5'6 is going to have his dating pool very limited and be in heavy disadvantage. Just ask a sex worker. She encounters 3 times more short men than taller men. Just because the number of sexual partners is not so far different, it doesn't show anything relating on quality and what one has to go through to even get a date. Do a profile on tinder. Put 5'2' height as a man. Do 1000 swipes. Change i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 04:17 AM
2	How did your views about women with a history of casual sex change? History of casual sex only becomes relevant on marriage - in my opinion. I mean: Casual sex with her -> Perfect, she has more experience Relationship -> Better sex, Worse relationship overall Marriage -> Better sex, high chance of divorce rape A relationship with better sex at the cost of dealing with some extra problems is not the worse thing (depends on each case, of course). It's less than ideal but you can't really be picky in today's dynamic. Either stay single or learn to deal with promisc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 04:07 AM
1	Thoughts on behavioral sink? What exactly are you suggesting as compromise? Women to start having sex with less attractive men when they can do it with attractive men? Men to start marrying women that are 4x more promiscuous than them and have a high risk chance of getting divorce rapped in a few years? Because those are the core problems: .1. Women are gatekeepers of sex. They enjoy sex with overall more attractive counterparts. .2. Men are gatekeepers of marriage. There are little low-risk options so pragmatics decide to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 03:45 AM
1	Women and “Mission” I am not red pill but from what I've seen, the word used is "complement". So if a man is financially successful - let's assume CEO of a big company - , it's likely that the complement would be someone would support him during stressful times, spares more times with the kids, takes care of the house ... etc. It's not like her job would be any financial difference in the family income. In reverse, I think it should be no problem for a man to do the same. But let me ask you this: Would a CEO woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 03:29 AM
2	Q4All: When it comes to casual sex, why does it seem like people are living in two different worlds? I don’t know how woman act on dating apps. But that is not what I’m seeing in real life. Especially while I go grocery shopping I check out couples everyone is with their equal. Equal in looks. But what you see on grocery stores are usually couples. And on average the guy is a better earner (93% of the women date same level or higher on economics) To simplify: Casual Sex -> Same or better looks Relationship -> Same or better income The desire of what changes but not the "dating higher".	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 03:14 AM
3	For unattractive men who are financially successful, and use money to attract women, what is your happiness level? It's actually quite ironic. At least in my case. I am not attractive. I got by in my 20' - some long term relationships. I wanted a bit more but you take what you can get. I like to read so I learned a lot. Developed a career (Software Engineering Lead) , set up my finances (my own place, a sports car, some investments) and got fit. In my 20', I figured that once I reached to this point I would be dating happily. Problem is, I don't care that much anymore. I am quite happy being single overall. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 02:51 AM
11	My dad always says if a guy is single at 35+, there usually a reason, and it’s usually baggage. How true is this statement? From a pure rational perspective: Age gives you overall more experience. People assume it's a negative experience (a positive experience is more likely to have ended with marriage). So from a statistical point of view, he's probably right. Although experience can also mean more maturity, means less chance to fail in future relationships. I don't think it's a dominant characteristic. For example, plenty men tend to focus on careers and have little to no time to invest in relationships. A friend o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/21 02:25 AM
1	Dating women who have advanced degrees There is a difference between a man that is best fit for marriage or casual sex. The qualities that make a high value "husband' and a high value "Alpha" are different. The Red Pill doesn't address the requirement for a high quality husband. Most of them are against marriage to begin with. What they refer to as "HMV" refers to a man that is desired for women to be in sexual relationship with. Hence all the tips they provide (frame, assertiveness, behavior, body building ...etc) are meant to enhan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 11:02 PM
1	Dating women who have advanced degrees > I'm not sure what sort of man to look out for. I'm worried about unsubconsciously chasing a hvm with too many options (too many women want him!) who is way out of my league. The problem is not that an "HMV" has to many options. The problem is that you no option for him to begin with. If you are not sure what man you should look for, experiment. As a young woman, this should be within your grasp. Try different types and see what works for you (or stop at the type you want the most). Don't get t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:50 PM
2	Dating women who have advanced degrees Don't take a "Red Pill" man ideology as reference on who you want please. You don't want to end up there. "Red Pill" teaches men on how to get laid with younger and more attractive women. Granted, they have a few good core principles. Also some good lifelong suggestion. But unfortunately, the community was taken over by men who were not successful with women in their 20' and now they seek revenge. You don't need anyone to tell you that a women in her 30' with 0 career, promiscuous past and 2 chi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:35 AM
2	Dating women who have advanced degrees Most men who have this mindset (I know 2 in real life) are pretty much oriented on sex and not long term prospects. The reason why they are doing this is because they never felt true love. Because once you do, everything else fades in comparison. A moot point. In the lack of that comparison, they go for the next best thing -> satisfaction of their core instincts. Look for men that are more interested in your character, personality, kindness, compassion. Those are things that makes a woman worth …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 09:06 AM
1	Redpillers seem to partially get Hypergamy wrong > Well there is no real point in marrying a rich women, assuming she did not get rich through heritage. Marriage is a cold contract to create a family, so a women has at least a big career bump if she get's pregnent, but more likely she will reduce her hours afterwards at least if not stop work completely. I disagree. And I know several real life examples. Do you think a woman who is fit in her early 30' and she is the general surgeon of a hospital doesn't represent a good marriage option? She c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 08:38 AM
2	Dating women who have advanced degrees Those are their beliefs. You don't want to date a man with that mindset, so why to you care what they believe anyway? I have a master degree and established career. I don't see how a long-term relationship with a 24y' old would work for me. Sure, sex would be - probably - good. That's about it. That's 1-2h if you are generous with the foreplay. What about the other 20-30 hours we are together and not having sex? A 24y' old won't understand the work dynamic of a corporate world. How am I going to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 01:16 AM
1	Redpillers seem to partially get Hypergamy wrong Hypergamy USED to refer to marriage. Because there were no "hook-ups" in the older days. Nowadays, hypergamy refers to targeting a man of a higher "value" than herself. What "value" means depends on the relationship type: Looks for casual sex/hookups Personality and maturity for relationships Status and financials for marriage Based on statistics, they do it successfully for casual sex and marriage. No data available for relationships (it would be hard to determine anyway). And who could blame t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/21 12:29 AM
1	Has modern dating gotten worse? I didn't have any issues and I am average at best. You are correct that good looking guys will dominate but nowadays they simply use dating aps as it's less effort. 2 colleagues who used to be club boys, switched to full time Tinder. I mean, why bother spending the whole night chatting and paying for drinks when you can swipe on Tinder and get her on the door. Hence, better field for average guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/21 04:18 PM
1	Why do a lot of people only associate femininity with outward appearance? From what I've seen the number one reason is the justification of women on their own values. For example, feminine women are gentle, agreeable and not confrontational. A woman who adheres to a typical modern feminist approach would perceive the other woman as weak. On one hand she tries to justify her own way of life by undermining the alternative. It makes them feel good that "they picked the right way". Some maybe might do it out "willingness" to help the other women to see the "correct path".…	/r/RedPillWomen	02/04/21 11:43 AM
4	How to hypergamously date? Maybe I can give you the insight from the other side. I am in top 10% earner in my country. I also know a few people that are millionaires. Mind you, there is significant wealth difference between a top earner and generational wealth. Outside of hyper success, inheritance beats everything. If I want to date, I look for 2 types: .1. A few years under my age (I am mid 30). She needs to have a career, maturity, show kindness, compassion and be able to connect with me. Fit and somewhat attractive. .…	/r/RedPillWomen	02/04/21 10:25 AM
9	Has modern dating gotten worse? If you are physically attractive -> go online. It's super fast. If you average looking and have outgoing personality, go into social setups (bars , clubs, various events, classes ... etc) If you are under average, get better. Hit the gym for 3-6 months. If your communication skills are lacking, read some books or do some online chatting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/21 08:57 AM
3	If you hold that women are hypergamous, can you explain in detail what do you mean by that? What exact traits women as a group are seeking to what degree in men that makes them hypergamous? How is what men do is different than that? And it's only significantly narrower once you are very short. Dude, those sexual partners can be because they bought hookers. Where is the correlation with ATTRACTION. That's the point we are discussing. As far as we know, the short guys only got women 3x their weight because they couldn't get anything. There are plenty dudes that simply changed their height in their profile and got from 1 matches a month to 3 matches per day. To say height is not important you must be delusional. I've never hea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 06:22 PM
1	Do men want woman to just do what they say and be okay with whatever they want? Why? Men are not into women for sex and clean lady. If that's your view, then I am sorry that built up that mindset. I am guessing you had some terrible experiences. Do some screening and don't pick every 6pack class A asshole and you will see the difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 04:20 PM
3	If you hold that women are hypergamous, can you explain in detail what do you mean by that? What exact traits women as a group are seeking to what degree in men that makes them hypergamous? How is what men do is different than that? Height: You are not proving your premise. Most women will NOT date a man shorter than them. The fact that the short guys get laid doesn't prove that they have the same success. It means they had to settle to whatever they could get from a narrow pool (the pool gets narrower depending on their height). Income: Your link shows education. Where is the income correlation. Elon Musk doesn't have a diploma but he is loaded. You are telling me that is irrelevant for a woman? Looks: It just shows the ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 04:13 PM
7	If you hold that women are hypergamous, can you explain in detail what do you mean by that? What exact traits women as a group are seeking to what degree in men that makes them hypergamous? How is what men do is different than that? > It's not that women demand only the top 20% of men. It's simply that they don't want the bottom 5% of unkept weirdos that spent all day being bitter online. I don't know where you get this data from but more than 1/4 (27%) young men are virgins: https://www.joe.ie/life-style/amount-men-30-not-sex-nearly-tripled-past-decade-663846 For sure we are not talking about 5% here. > In reality women don't care about looks all that much, but as incels don't even know what humor, fun or personality are t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 03:28 PM
1	Do men want woman to just do what they say and be okay with whatever they want? I don't know where you got this prices from. I live in the most expensive city in Germany, Munich. I think Germany qualifies as "rich" country. It costs between 30-50 Euro to get laid here. I assumed 3 sessions per week. I never used a sex worker but some of my colleagues are frequent users. For 50 Euro you get a young woman with nice body. If you want something high end, I would guess you have to pay more. It costs 15 Euro / hour for a maid. A 3 hour cleanup per week for an apartment is more th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 02:28 PM
1	Most women hate bad boys. At best, they fantasize about FICTIONAL rich hot Sad Boys. Care to post some data to back it up? Tinder and cupid released matched statistics and unattractive guys get matched for 0.5%. https://paulvanderlaken.com/2019/07/31/two-tinder-experiments-an-unequal-economy/ Mind you, this is not a date. Just a match. Do you think the girl she is matched with (that is 1 in 200 of what he picked) doesn't have other options? 80+% of the men are viewed as unattractive: https://i.imgur.com/L9Vu4Zo.png There are plenty reports about the current trend (hypergamy); I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 11:29 AM
1	Most women hate bad boys. At best, they fantasize about FICTIONAL rich hot Sad Boys. Take any online date app. You will see that most women fuck 20% of the men. And those are not kind, compassionate and caring individuals. Bad boy looks wins.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 07:06 AM
1	Do men want woman to just do what they say and be okay with whatever they want? You know that you can get a sex slave for like 150 euro/week and a maid for like 50 euro/week. If you think that's all men want, that would be an easy fix. Any reasonable successful man can cover those costs without much problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 05:22 AM
0	Do men want woman to just do what they say and be okay with whatever they want? Women set the standards. If you are not doing it, then that's your choice. For example, a lot of men set standards for promiscuity when it comes to marriage. You are free to do the same. Marriage requires "Yes" from both sides.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 05:19 AM
2	Do men want woman to just do what they say and be okay with whatever they want? There is a difference though between dating someone with a child and getting tricked into it. You cannot expect someone to love someone's else's child as it is your own. Some might, but that's not the usual case. Or you do you think the love you have for another woman's child would be the same if it would be yours? If you do, then I can tell you never had children of your own. There are plenty people who conceived and later adopted children. Loving people. But in their own words, the love they h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 05:09 AM
2	Either men are more likely to forgive a woman for cheating instead of divorcing, or women don't cheat as often as men. There is no information that more women are catching men. As far as data shows, one could also speculate that that out of 59% infidelity reason it can be made entirely from MEN. Or WOMEN. We don't know the proportion on men/women who set that reason when divorcing. If we speculate, then each one will simply throw his/her 2 cents, which is typically a bias against opposite sex fueled by past experience. I don't see any reason for one sex to catch significantly more than the other. Both sexes have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 03:27 AM
1	Is cold approaching becoming more of a thing of the past? I didn't feel "bullied". Was just surprised. People told me that there are some awkward trends going on when it comes to dating nowadays. Since I am not doing it much, I didn't get to experience them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 02:50 AM
1	Is cold approaching becoming more of a thing of the past? She just recorded audio. Sure, I could have made the argument but why bother? I have better things to do with my time (and sanity). It's also a public place. I don't think there is any rule in recording what you do. As far as I know, consent is only required when it's a non-public setup (e.g. on the phone). I might be wrong but it's irrelevant anyway. It's not like I am going to pursue someone who does that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/21 02:41 AM
3	Is cold approaching becoming more of a thing of the past? It was in public transportation so I don't think safety applies. I have a "kind" look - I don't think a women would be threatened, Anyway, a woman colleague said it's a "think" to record and put on youtube or whatever to make some "comments" and get some views. I keep getting surprised by all this. It used to be so much different when I was in my 20'. Missing the old dating landscape. A bit said that the new generation(s) won't get to experience it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 07:27 PM
62	Either men are more likely to forgive a woman for cheating instead of divorcing, or women don't cheat as often as men. The data is inconclusive. The infidelity rate (50% for women and 55% for men) were anonymous. Not all cheaters are caught. For example, a woman can cheat, set a divorce for whatever reason (e.g. financial problems) and then go to her new man. Even though she cheated, she initiated the divorce. You can't extract your conclusion from the available data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 06:44 PM
4	Is cold approaching becoming more of a thing of the past? i don't think girls do that lmao I went and ask a girl out. She pulled her phone and started recording. I asked what she was doing. She said that she wants to have the conversation so she can share it later with her friends. I laughed and walked away. Mind you, I am in my 30' and the woman in question was in late 20' (by my guess). I can only imagine even more awkwardness with younger women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 06:30 PM
2	Are "post-wall off the CC" women forcing men to date them or something? What's with the hate against them? Women tend to experience promiscuity their 20'. Most men don't. The dynamic, though, ends up with lot of men resentful and hateful. It's not a fun feeling being rejected, ridiculed and undesired. The result feelings, while understandable, are truly unfortunate. I would equate the experience as the one of being bullied. Some men overcome the negative experience, focus on themselves and navigate through their 20'. 30' is much better if you played your cards right. Some men, however, won't be able …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 05:42 PM
1	Are "post-wall off the CC" women forcing men to date them or something? What's with the hate against them? There shouldn't be any difference in the relation dynamic. The only difference is financials - they are not merged. Hence the split is done easy. Also less "divorced" stigma. Basically, as a man you mitigate the risk by not getting married. She turns out to be cheater or cold snake in 5 years? You end it and move on. Everything is sunshine and she is there for you in your life? You put her on your will with everything she deserves. Problem solved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 05:01 PM
1	Are "post-wall off the CC" women forcing men to date them or something? What's with the hate against them? Good strategy for women imo, but guys here want sex on date 3 and would dump women if they wait, not caring if it creates the high n count in the first place. So they are hypocrites for hating high n counts yet causing them. Just don't sleep on date 3? Sure, plenty men will leave and those are not the ones you want anyway. Unless you are looking for a hookup in the first place. All long term relationships I had, the woman said in date 1-2 something in the lines of: "I want to know you better bef…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 04:30 PM
2	Are "post-wall off the CC" women forcing men to date them or something? What's with the hate against them? Don't take forums as representative. The happy ones are not here - they are busy doing what they like. Plenty guys can tell within a few dates your level of experience. Some things are pretty hard to fake. Also, if you have a career - which you hinted it might be the case due to your focus - then the marriage will be less of a concern for a man. The general "fear" of men is that they will end up with a promiscuous woman in a marriage that, because of her past, she will stray away and destroy it,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 04:00 PM
0	Are "post-wall off the CC" women forcing men to date them or something? What's with the hate against them? You are correct. However, it's not that fact that someone gets hooked up is a problem - because it really isn't. I am guessing a lot of men are doing it out of rejection resentment. While understandable, it's unhealthy and I like to believe that most men with their head on their shoulders are not acting from a resentment perspective. Whoever is into heavy hookups is likely not ideal for marriage. Plenty studies show correlation between promiscuity and fidelity, health, happiness, bonding ... etc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 03:30 PM
2	Are men inherently seen as disposable by society? Well that’s my point right? This disposablility comes from a dated biological construct, because for the vast majority of our species lifetimes, our survival as a species was contingent on this mentality. It's not only biological but it's also economical. For a city/country to be long term sustainable you need to have population growth. We are not accepting immigrants just out of the kindness of our hearts. Population growth requires both a man and a woman. While, yes, a man could impregnate 100…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 12:51 PM
2	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? In that case he wasn't your boyfriend for 8 months. I was just someone who liked you and you didn't have sex immediately after. I mean, I also had a crush in high school with whom I had sexual relationship 9 years later. That doesn't mean she was my girlfriend for 9 years and made me wait for this amount of time. I guess it's just semantics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/21 02:53 AM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? Where I live most women have that mindset. We prefer not to owe anything anyway. Maybe I relocate. Where do you live? :) I can get your exame of 35 vs 25, but also, if you're not doing anything physical, it's less transactional haha I was referring more of: I bring financials , she brings the energy of youth. I expect that physical is pleasurable for both of us; why would I add anything on top? I will take care of her. I am not sure I will do the same if I end up doing 43 v 33. I don't expect a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 09:16 PM
2	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? That's noble of you but I don't know many women who have your mindset. And there is to much so much stigma around first date check, that I can't be bothered to spend to much time thinking on this topic. Dating nowadays is not a fun experience; for the rare time I do it, I can pick the check and focus on other aspects. It also depends on who I am dating. If I ,35, date a young woman of 25, I tend to cover the costs. I earn in one day what she can do in weeks. Her youth beauty is likely higher tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 08:21 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? I see your point but it rather depends on how you set up the first date. Let's assume we meet online. We don't know each other. Maybe I am bad company for her. We just don't fit. At least I can cover the cost as "reward" for her taking the effort to prepare and putting up with me. It's a way for me saying that regardless of the meeting outcome, she got out with something for her time. Also, I like to pick the place for first date. It's unfair pass her the bill for I place I selected. Might be ou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 03:49 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? Your examples are not comparable to determining the relationship once you feel that you care enough if the other person would be dating other people. It's in a similar boat: it's a core value difference. Someone who has such view of sex is incompatible with me. What's the point of "vetting" someone if you are doing sex with random people anyway? Clearly our core values are different. someone who does date multiple people simply saying they had a nice night and not sharing additional information …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 03:36 PM
2	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? That's why the man picks first date and pays. Afterwards, I can propose and then she agrees (or reverse). That's not an excuse to not pay. You want to "decide" for months, that's fine. I also decide to wait with financials until we are committed. But that should not be a problem for a woman right? If it is, then at least men can filter some gold diggers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 03:10 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? You should not need to communicate this? Do you communicate that you don't like to be lied? Or that you don't like assholes ? Or that you don't like to be abused? It's common sense. What do you think the guy you are dating for one month will say when he asks you "how was your previous evening?" and you say "O well, I just fucked some random dude on Tinder. I was horny."? Dating other people while you are dating? That's ok. You want to asses the character of more people. See what clicks with you.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 03:03 PM
3	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? The solution is actually very simple. Pay for the first date. From the 2nd date, you share the costs until relationship establishes. Afterwards, you can decide depending on the financial situation. She wants to wait with sex? Perfectly acceptable. I am paying for my drinks and enjoying her company.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 01:46 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? True. But it shows the type of strategy they promote. I mean if you are really excited about someone, you are not going to sleep around with other people, right? Put yourself into that situation. You are dating someone you are really into. Would you keep them on hold and sleep around with other women? Also, communication and honesty - core values of a healthy relationship - directly to the garbage bin from day 1. It's not like you are going to communicate to your date about your hot sex you just…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 01:26 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? LMAO. 8 months? Did you find a masochists'? Any sane and healthy man would have moved on by then. You realize sex drive is natural, right? The point of "dating" is to evaluate the other person and see if you see if you click. If you cannot decide within a few months, means you are are playing him or not really into him. In both cases, a man should run away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 01:20 PM
2	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? It won't be. Especially since they also brag about fucking men on the side while making their marked target wait. Problem is you don't know. It's not like she will tell you she bangs other while dating you. I mean, you are not monogamous yet until you establish the relationship. That happens when dating ends (a.k.a when you decide to start your intimate life). Assuming LTR here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 01:03 PM
1	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? He should not be dating a FDS. Because her HMV is way lower. In the same way, as a HMV woman should not date a Red Pill man. Both sides advocate for their own benefit before taking care of their SO. A powerful relationship is one where you give without expecting transactional return. If it doesn't happen out of reciprocation ,eventually, you lick your wounds and end the relationship. Yes, it's a risk. Yes, it sucks. But if you put the condition of "I will trust you only if you trust me", then yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 12:58 PM
2	For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him? so once you land the guy you are looking for , you would reciprocate and equal amount of love and affection that is given to you? i feel like thats my main issue with fds, is the balance of reciprocation and effort in a relationship. But you will never make more than him. Because that's not a man you WANT. While you want to believe that you would reciprocate, the fact that a man has lower financial power than you, will make him husband unworthy. Fact is, 99.2% of the women are in LTR and marriag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/21 11:06 AM