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Pick an exercise regimen and a diet that you will adhere and make a permanent part of your life. This won't result in the fastest weight loss, but you want to lose the weight AND keep it off. Slow and steady wins the race. Don't go for the ballbuster exercise routine or the deprivation diet; you'll soon grow tired of it and quit.
/r/MGTOW18/03/16 09:50 PM
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I'll amend the CICO by saying that carbs tend to not satisfy one's appetite as well as proteins and fats. I can sit and chow down 500 calories of chips and another 400 on soda without even trying if I'm not paying attention. So CICO might win purely based on thermodynamics, but it's important to eat calories that will actually satisfy your hunger, otherwise you won't adhere to your calorie limit. I'm not anti-carb, but moderation just like everything else.
/r/MGTOW18/03/16 09:47 PM
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No, it is absolutely not too early. Even at 15, you can do things that will permanently fuck your life up. The biggest hazard you probably need to watch out for is getting a girl pregnant. Just take what you read with a grain of salt. Except the not getting a girl pregnant part, seriously don't ever do this.
/r/MGTOW18/03/16 09:39 PM
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attempted murder Given how trigger happy the police have become, I believe that attempted murder is a completely appropriate charge. Or 1st degree murder if this results in a fatality of either the victim or a responding law enforcement agent. The felony murder rule has been applied for lesser offenses.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 06:57 PM
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Freeze sperm (this step is purely optional) + vasectomy. Men really need to start taking complete control over their fertility, as this is truly a matter of life and non-life. An accidental pregnancy can destroy your future. Until vasalgel or other low user-interaction (read: foolproof and tamper-proof) is made available, this is the best we've got. Adapt to the laws as they are now, as I don't see it changing in any reasonable time span.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 06:49 PM
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FI is a huge psychological benefit. I will likely continue to work for a few years after reaching FI to improve my standard of living or simply make my FI more secure, but knowing that I can pack it up at any time would be amazing. I like to have options, even if I don't actually exercise them. The feeling of being trapped is one of the worst feelings, yet most of us are born into being trapped in the rat race.
/r/MGTOW18/03/16 03:26 PM
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Condoms aren't strictly the same, because there are other forms of contraception Really? I mean, I've had a vasectomy so I get there are other forms of contraceptives for men. But our current options are rather shitty, and vasectomies are definitely not for everyone. Condoms are pretty damn important. And they are also the only contraceptive that can prevent STD transmission. That's like saying that tampons shouldn't be covered because women could use pads as an alternative.
/r/MensRights04/03/16 08:01 PM
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I agree with you: tough luck, until artificial wombs. The woman should not have to use her body as an incubator unless she consents to it. To force her to carry the baby that she doesn't want, against her will, is slavery. At the other end of the spectrum, a man should not be forced to use his body for labor to earn money for a child he doesn't want either. There are no good solutions to any of this right now. What is really needed are artificial wombs to ease the former, and better contraceptiv…
/r/MensRights04/03/16 07:57 PM
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Or get a vasectomy so you don't have to go to such great lengths (note: I am absolutely not faulting you for taking this level of precaution). If you do want children someday, which I think is a bad idea given our social and political climate, freeze some samples before getting snipped.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 08:38 PM
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Well if it's that fucked up, wouldn't getting a one-way ticket to <insert foreign nation of choice> be a scoche less extreme way of handling it?
/r/MensRights03/03/16 08:33 PM
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I cannot emphasize strongly enough the importance of vasectomy. It is one of the most important steps you can take to protect your future and is literally a matter of life or non-life.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 06:47 PM
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Fucking white-knighting pieces of shit straight up murdered this man. As someone who has read up into the legality of what does and does not constitute self-defense and defense of others, you MUST stop your action when the threat has ended. You must also contact emergency personnel immediately after the situation is under control, not just leave the scene for someone to find the body. Granted, I have researched U.S. law, which is probably far more lenient than UK law. These sub-human fuckstains …
/r/MensRights03/03/16 06:44 PM
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I would imagine that suicides do not top automobile collisions in the U.S.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:32 PM
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Yeah, $1M for 39 years of your life is a fucking insult. $25K/year to waste a year of your life in prison?
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:30 PM
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These types of stories are infuriating. No matter what get a paternity test! I don't know how child support works if you are in college. Presumably, it would be best to finish school and THEN start paying (yes, you'd have to back pay). It would expect that you could arrange this, because it would be better in the long run if you could finish school and get a higher paying job. Barring that, one-way ticket another country.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 05:28 PM
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Vasectomies are absolutely critical for men to protect themselves and their freedom. I think so many men are afraid of getting it done because of propaganda.
/r/MGTOW02/03/16 06:07 AM
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Given approximately equal population, a man who refuses to marry will mean that there is a woman out there somewhere who cannot find a man to marry. If this happens enough times (i.e. marriagestrike en masse), this could be a way to force change. But it does require a critical mass of strikers.
/r/MGTOW29/02/16 08:24 AM
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Who is Demi Lovato, and who appointed her to be an expert on this subject?
/r/MensRights23/02/16 07:11 AM
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Maybe so, but it has become incredibly self-destructive. I'm fortunate that I'm childfree and have ZERO interest in parenting, thus my self-preservation does not come at the expense of deprivation in this regard.
/r/MensRights16/02/16 04:54 PM
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Yeah, it saves a lot of trouble when they just leave on their own because they "got bored" (i.e. hypergamy kicked in, there's always someone better) or some other b.s. reason.
/r/MGTOW16/02/16 03:25 PM
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There is no "or at least make her sign a pre-nup." Just stick to the first part of the advice: never get married. And to that, I'll add: never have children.
/r/MGTOW15/02/16 10:37 PM
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There are many reasons to buy a house, and many reasons to simply rent. Extremely dependent on lifestyle choices, future goals, and the specific market you are looking at. But one thing I will say: choose what is right for YOU, not what is right for someone else. There are many reasons to buy a house, and many reasons to simply rent. Extremely dependent on lifestyle choices, future goals, and the specific market you are looking at. Renting is simpler in terms of dealing with maintenance repairs,…
/r/MGTOW15/02/16 10:33 PM
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This certainly follows Occam's razor. It slices, it dices, it cuts through the bullshit.
/r/MGTOW15/02/16 10:26 PM
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I'm heavily interested in /r/financialindependence , and I've done a fair bit of research on salaries vs cost of living. What it seems to me is that the high-COL areas have higher potential salaries for people who are truly at the top of their field, but for your average working stiff the slightly higher salaries in these areas don't make up for the higher costs. Taking a 10% pay increase isn't worthwhile when your costs go up 35%. This seems to be a good place to look: http://swz.salary.com/Cos…
/r/MGTOW15/02/16 06:06 PM
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Ah yes, give the "nice guy" a chance when they can no longer attract what they really want. After they've already shit out 3 kids by 3 different fathers, they're willing to give the nice guy a little of what's left. To nice guys everywhere: stop rewarding bad behavior and stop being a safety net. Stop being enablers.
/r/MGTOW14/02/16 08:45 PM
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This is why I encourage all men to boycott marriage and reproduction until the laws become a scoche less fucked up. Marrying or reproducing is signing yourself up for slavery. Even if the laws don't change, you can at least save yourself and protect your freedoms.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 07:36 PM
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Disagree, there is a power differential between adults and minors, even if there is no direct coercion. Consider this, had the offender gotten pregnant from the boy, he would be on the hook for child support. This isn't a low-consequence action.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 06:59 PM
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That's a rarity with modern console games nowadays. I too was shocked when my buddy told me that his newest racing game for the PS4 has no split screen and that this has been normal for a few years already. The irony is that we have much bigger TVs now, and with high definition. Splitscreen would be so much better now than in the days of the N64 or original XBox. Some of my absolute best videogame memories are having a bunch of friends over and battling it out for glory. There are still a few ti…
/r/MGTOW10/02/16 04:56 AM
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Meth, not even once.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:19 AM
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There is no need for a console unless you specifically want the exclusive games. Or local multiplayer. Or games that use 2 axes of analog (i.e. analog look and analog movement). I know you can have controllers with 2 axes of analog on a PC, but I'm not sure how many PC games actually support it. Usually the analog stick used for movement gets mapped back to WASD.
/r/MGTOW10/02/16 04:01 AM
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Antinatalism, which also paves the way for some measure of "controlled hedonism" since it's given me a bit of a nihilistic outlook on life. My only real philosophical guideline is "do no harm."
/r/MGTOW09/02/16 11:17 PM
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Gaming while walking on a treadmill? I saw a recent post somewhere about a really overweight guy that set up his gaming area so that he walked on a treadmill while gaming. He lost some serious poundage by incorporating physical activity into something that he loved. So...why not both?
/r/MGTOW09/02/16 11:11 PM
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I know a lot of people on here saying PC, but there are some good reasons to get consoles (e.g. local multiplayer). If you want a console, I'd go with the PS4.
/r/MGTOW09/02/16 11:08 PM
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Condom failure rate: 2% perfect use/technical, typical use 18%, use by someone who isn't a dipshit will probably be closer to 2% but still more than 2% because no one is perfect all the time Vasectomy failure rate: 0.1%. I'd imagine periodic re-testing can lower this even further since it's based on most people never rechecking once cleared. I wouldn't call vasectomy redundant.
/r/MGTOW09/02/16 06:10 AM
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I have definite regrets. I regret waiting so fucking long to get one. It's the greatest thing I've ever done in my life.
/r/MGTOW09/02/16 02:58 AM
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Someone needs to start running anti paternity fraud PSAs.
/r/MensRights08/02/16 05:17 AM
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Just imagine your son being on the receiving end of the "shhh" scene in Saving Private Ryan. But hey, it was just a son. /s
/r/MensRights08/02/16 05:04 AM
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So what do you suggest for these "military-aged males" who need refuge? Should they get a sex change operation or should they develop a sudden case of progeria? What is your suggested "out" for them?
/r/MensRights07/02/16 07:02 PM
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San Francisco protests trees because they don't cater to women.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 06:55 PM
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Physically fit men with no children can't find good women. Here, "good women" is defined as physically fit and without children.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 04:15 PM
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They don't even try to hide it anymore. Scary to think that it can be displayed so openly.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 03:38 PM
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That gave me quite a schadenboner.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 02:16 AM
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By that logic, your best bet is to say that it's OK And so that it opens the doors for you to "explore," as it were in the OP's situation. It's the sort of thing where asking permission is almost as bad as the act itself. It shows intent... I operate under the assumption that if they ask, they already have a dick(s) lined up.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 02:13 AM
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Worse yet, you could probably get married in another state and get hosed by this if you move to Florida. IANAL, but I think the state you get divorced in, not the state you get married in, is the one that matters. Marriage = a contract in which the terms can change simply by moving to another state.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 02:03 AM
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The amount of delusion in that is painful. Yeah, men expected to adhere to traditional "masculine" roles while women have free-reign and are not restricted only to "feminine" roles because society hates women. Men get harsher punishments for the same crime because society hates women. Women and children first because society hates women. Different treatment under the law (VAWA and rape laws) because society hates women. /s I bet this guy also believes that "women have always been the primary vic…
/r/MensRights07/02/16 01:54 AM
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declined the invitation Good on you. Men cannot be "friend-zoned," they choose to be in the friend-zone by their refusal to walk away. When you aren't willing to walk away, you are giving up a huge chunk of your bargaining power.
/r/MGTOW07/02/16 12:39 AM
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Why does it seem that these articles consider all women to be eligible in the dating pool, yet only some men are worthy of dating? Can we write an article proclaiming a shortage of women? We can count all unmarried men as eligible bachelors, but exclude women who are: obese, single mothers, unemployed, etc. Voila, there's a shortage of datable (and certainly of marriageable) women. I have no sympathy.
/r/MGTOW06/02/16 11:33 PM
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Yeah, she ain't getting my vote, that's for sure.
/r/MensRights06/02/16 06:39 AM
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There shouldn't be allowed to be such a large differential in penalties for plea-deal vs losing a trial. It amounts to our corrupt justice legal system attempting to extort a confession. I can understand some difference in sentencing to encourage guilty parties to take the deal, but when the risk of losing a trial is so great compared to the deal that innocent people are seriously considering it, that is a sign that the system is utterly fucked. It also seems to be a convenient way to abridge th…
/r/MensRights06/02/16 06:14 AM
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What the fuck did I just read‽ The CDC is basically suggesting, based upon scientific evidence of damage caused by early alcohol exposure: use contraceptives, abstain from sex, or abstain from alcohol. Society already shames men who become accidental fathers that they should have worn a condom, even if they did wear one (and it failed) or if the woman was using a (far more effective) contraceptive. Oh, but apparently telling women to protect a developing fetus or take precautions to prevent the …
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 05:57 PM
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I thought the average in the U.S. was about 25 minutes each way. Turns out I'm actually below average if the chart is to be believed, even before taking into account the times I get to telecommute. Kind of puts things into perspective.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 01:37 PM
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I frequent that sub, and I absolutely cringed when I read this comment and many of the comments defending this.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 12:40 PM
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I'd rather die on my terms doing something of my choice than something of someone else's choice. And besides, I was talking broken arms/legs. A foot injury? Let's not get dramatic, a lot of injuries are quite survivable and have really low mortality rate with modern medicine. But yes, a broken neck, spine, or skull fracture would be an ender.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 02:08 AM
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Not all men are cut out for warfare either. I'll be the first to admit that I would make an absolutely terrible soldier, and yet because I have a penis I could potentially be drafted enslaved. If a nation needs to enslave its own people, is it really worth fighting for?
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 10:43 PM
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The second paragraph in my comment adequately expresses my opinion in the evident that we do not have enough volunteers. Choosing to enlist, or not enlist, for military service is a form of vote. If you can't enough votes/volunteers, you shouldn't get slaves to fight for you. You deserve to get lose.
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 10:08 PM
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She's going to ride the cock carousel until she gets unceremoniously thrown off straight into the wall. Fucking textbook example.
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 08:55 PM
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OP isn't suggesting its use to press charges or get someone convicted, rather exculpatory evidence to get yourself exonerated. IANAL, but prosecution and defense play by different rules.
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 08:51 PM
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Yeah, I go onto /r/financialindependence and see people posting incomes of 150K and such. Unless they are counting dual-income (it's not always clear) , only a very small percentage of people make that kind of money. According to http://www.whatsmypercent.com/, $100K is 96th percentile and $150K is 98th percentile.
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 08:44 PM
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In the event of actual national defense (i.e. enemies on our soil pushing our shit in), I don't see there being a shortage of volunteers. Regardless, if enough people aren't willing to fight, enough people don't consider it worthwhile to put their asses on the line, maybe we deserve to lose.
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 08:27 PM
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Aren't men just one extreme sport and a broken bone away from dodging a draft?
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 08:17 PM
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I'd never heard of archive.is until this post. I'll have to check it out, thanks.
/r/MGTOW01/02/16 03:09 AM
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It feels good. Physical pleasure, it's a sensory thing.
/r/MGTOW31/01/16 12:43 AM
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Indeed, women don't friend-zone men, men allow themselves to be friend-zoned by being spineless and not walking away.
/r/MGTOW30/01/16 07:28 PM
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There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
/r/MensRights30/01/16 07:02 AM
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Well, they are sharks. There is a reason that people used the word "sharks" as a metaphor.
/r/MGTOW30/01/16 01:51 AM
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By avoiding entire sections of the legal system Winner! Not getting married and not having kids is an excellent start. I have also observed that personal vehicles are one of the big ways that government inserts itself into our lives in an adversarial manner. I would love to go car-free, for many reasons including this. Though it isn't possible for me at this time, it is something I would aspire to in the future. Cars aren't a symbol of freedom, they are a symbol of dependence when a place is des…
/r/MGTOW29/01/16 04:36 PM
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Yeah, sorry. This whole thread pretty much doesn't make sense now. I didn't expect this cross-post to prompt the mods to remove a 4-month old post. A few of the comments have been removed/deleted as well, but you can use "uneddit" to view them. There's the typical "time to man the fuck up" bullshit in the mix. Long story short; dude gets married, has kids, and bought a house. He has a long commute to a job he hates in order to pay for house and support his family. He feel's like he has gone back…
/r/MGTOW26/01/16 09:25 PM
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Yeah, I really think the title of the post put the emphasis in the wrong place. I generally advise against homeownership because of the loss of mobility (moving across town if you change jobs is a pain), but it clearly isn't in the same realm as marriage and reproduction.
/r/MGTOW26/01/16 05:27 PM
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Yes folks, the post is a few months old. Also, the title is "buying a house..." It really should have been "Tying myself down with house, wife, and kids..." The American dream is a lie. Minimize your liabilities and obligations. Maximize your mobility and freedom. I imagine that few feelings are worse than the feeling of being trapped. Don't be this guy.
/r/MGTOW26/01/16 04:27 PM
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Outside of this article/thread, I've never seen "snip" refer to circumcision. What I have seen "snip" refer to is vasectomies. Substitute "vasectomy" in for the parent post, and it makes perfect sense.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:27 PM
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If, like vaccinations, it offered life-saving benefits only if administered to a baby, then I would have to support it. That's a really well-reasoned arguments. It addresses the consent issue while also acknowledging that sometimes parents need to act on behalf of their children.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:25 PM
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I've never heard anyone refer to a circumcision as "getting snipped." That term, as I have seen it, is used to refer to vasectomies. Oddly enough, while a circumcision is done without consent of (or even informing) the recipient, vasectomies can be an absolute pain for an adult man to get even while signing consent documentation that lists side effects and emphasizes the permanency of the procedure. ninja edit: I'm American
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:22 PM
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. As a man of approximately average male height (and women don't let me forget that average = SHORT), I have no issue with women's preference for taller men. However, they must respect my preference for women of healthy body mass. And although preference for height is just an aesthetic decision, weight influences a lengthy set of health issues. Women's preference is for aesthetically pleasing, my preference is for physical health. And yet I'm the o…
/r/MGTOW25/01/16 04:03 PM
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Revolution or Exodus Or extinction, as we see with their fertility rates being well-below replacement levels.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:56 AM
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Sounds like a really good reason to never get married. Especially because even if you get married in one state, the laws of another state could take effect if you relocate. Marriage = contract that does not have fixed terms, can change after signing = scam
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:52 AM
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Well, I'd say that men need to start caring about other men. It'd be a good start. These politicians (who are mostly men) who are selling out their own kind fucking disgust me. Betrayers!
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:45 AM
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STDs?
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:42 AM
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Most of the ones I see are overweight single mothers, often with children from multiple fathers. Of course they always say that they aren't looking for a father for their children.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:39 AM
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In a huge majority of games, the vast majority of human(oid) enemies who you kill are male. Where's the outrage? Why is she still relevant? Why is she getting any attention at all? She would disappear from the headlines if people would simply ignore her.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:36 AM
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I've said it on r/childfree and I'll say it here: I cannot think of one single aspect of my life that would be improved by having children. However, many aspects of my life would decline.
/r/MGTOW25/01/16 04:46 AM
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Nothing wrong here. Equality.
/r/MensRights23/01/16 06:48 PM
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So ... Briffault's Law?
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 06:45 PM
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How many meters of cock does she have to choose from?
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 10:25 PM
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Why is it that the women with the least to offer tend to also have the shittiest attitudes on top of everything else.
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 10:22 PM
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bitch better loose her job The word you are looking for is "lose."
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 10:15 PM
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So you're ok with someone using the "I'm a mommy" defense when attacking someone with a deadly weapon? Scary
/r/MensRights22/01/16 08:49 PM
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As women start to make more money, and wives are increasingly outearning their husbands, I can expect that women will want to reform the alimony/divorce laws to make them equitable once they start finding themselves on the wrong side of judgements.
/r/MensRights22/01/16 08:40 PM
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"Boycotting" society via marriagestrike and birthstrike is one of the few ways to affect change. Given the lack of male solidarity and the (slight) majority of vote that women have, I don't see voting ourselves a solution to be in the cards.
/r/MensRights22/01/16 07:46 PM
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I don't see much changing on a systemic level any time in the near future. The best that men can do is watch out for themselves. Don't give up the rights that you have right now; getting married and/or having kids gives the government an open invitation to fuck up your life. The best we can do is build up solidarity among men. So long as men squabble among themselves and step on other men to gain favor with women, nothing will improve. I have huge contempt for those who betray their own kind, fo…
/r/MensRights22/01/16 07:40 PM
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This is why I absolutely refuse to marry and refuse to have children. Marriagefree and childfree
/r/MensRights22/01/16 07:28 PM
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I'm fairly heavy into /r/financialindependence and someone recently posted an essay called Life is Short. The very last sentence really struck a chord with me: "Relentlessly prune bullshit, don't wait to do things that matter, and savor the time you have. That's what you do when life is short."
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 04:01 PM
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Yeah, I'd be afraid of a "bait and switch" if there was some type of rollback in anti-male laws and social norms.
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 03:57 PM
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Yeah, I'm always confused about people wanting to increase their libido. That's like an alcoholic wanting to find a way to increase their addiction to alcohol. It seems like madness.
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 03:52 PM
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My life has taken a distinct turn for the better since turning 30 (I'm 32 now). The only particular advice I have is to make sure you stay in shape. It has required a bit more effort.
/r/MGTOW22/01/16 03:50 PM
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I don't want children AT ALL. I sure as fuck don't want someone else's.
/r/MGTOW21/01/16 02:06 AM
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I can't think of a reason they'd be single moms which isn't a huge red flag. Widowed. But yeah, that's really not how most single mothers ended up in their situation.
/r/MGTOW21/01/16 02:05 AM
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i just want my genes to one day be spread That mindset is extremely dangerous to one's well-being. I'd strongly recommend you think twice.
/r/MGTOW21/01/16 02:02 AM
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That's childFREE to this shitlord. There is a difference between childless and childfree, and the people on /r/childfree tend to get upset when you confuse the terminology.
/r/MGTOW21/01/16 01:59 AM
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I encourage ALL men to get a vasectomy. To those who DO wish to be fathers some day (which I advise against), they should freeze sperm before getting the snip. Before someone says that freezing sperm is expensive, consider: This should be thought of the same way as one thinks of insurance; paying a small cost to avoid the chance of a very high cost. The cost of freezing sperm is a few orders of magnitude cheaper than getting bitch slapped by a child support payment. (chance of accidental or "acc…
/r/MensRights18/01/16 01:24 AM
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It's about our police agents being afraid of their own fucking shadows. If you cannot handle the job, no one is forcing you to remain in that line of work. Unlike the military, we do not have conscription for police agents.
/r/MensRights17/01/16 11:02 PM
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Robin Hadley, 55, has completed a PhD entitled Life Without Fatherhood: A Qualitative Study of Older Involuntarily Childless Men. And he knows better than many how a man can mourn the child he has never had. Better to mourn the child you never had than the child support you do have for a child you don't get to see, the child who has been conditioned to hate you by the mother.
/r/MGTOW15/01/16 03:30 AM
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Or they want one because they already cucked the husband and have one brewing.
/r/MGTOW15/01/16 03:22 AM
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Her last name is actually "Bux." This is not a joke.
/r/MGTOW13/01/16 11:10 PM
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There's a reason that I can come off as an avaricious prick: because I realize that there is no safety net for me. I am expected to help others out (I'm ok with this, IF it's reciprocated), but I'm shit out of luck if I'm the one in need. It behooves me to plan accordingly.
/r/MensRights13/01/16 07:21 AM
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Top Reason why some people never get married: They use their brains. Very first comment and it's gold. Numbers 2 and 4 are direct contradictions. Shitty article is shitty. Oh, and fuck being a workaholic. You're damn right I want maximum benefit for minimal effort. Why wouldn't I want to get maximum efficiency out of my time and effort?
/r/MGTOW13/01/16 06:08 AM
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Yeah, I'm not optimistic about Trump, but at least he wasn't the one with the fucking gall to say that women are the primary victims of war (that is a Clinton quote, btw).
/r/MensRights13/01/16 06:00 AM
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Concealed carry is legal where I live. They can protect themselves the same as anyone.
/r/MGTOW13/01/16 04:52 AM
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We deserve Fuck you, the world doesn't owe you anything just because you were born with a vagina. If you want one of those programming jobs, go get one the same way that all these male programmers do. If you have the credentials and aptitude, you will get hired just the same.
/r/MGTOW13/01/16 04:51 AM
6

Translation: college educated women aren't able to find "eligible" men to marry because women are graduating in larger numbers than men.
/r/MensRights13/01/16 04:45 AM
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Most likely: none of them. But if one of them: Trump maybe? Definitely not Clinton.
/r/MensRights13/01/16 04:43 AM
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Don't treat like criminals, help them get jobs, and don't impose punitive payments so that they can get ahead and save for future payments. -139 characters
/r/MensRights13/01/16 04:39 AM
1

Yes, women hold the cards for sex. I agree.
/r/MensRights13/01/16 03:21 AM
2

Well if you want to get really technical, which seems to be your intent, present tense is still applicable. Since the law just changed, there are retired women who are younger than the male retirement age. Therefore these women do presently have a lower retirement age (unless they made it retroactive, which is highly doubtful).
/r/MensRights13/01/16 03:17 AM
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They do NOW, but look at the rows for "before".
/r/MensRights13/01/16 01:21 AM
1

And why the fuck are female contraceptives covered 100% (no co-pay, no deductible), but I had to pay a co-pay and the deductible on my insurance for my vasectomy?
/r/MensRights12/01/16 11:57 PM
3

Women not only have longer (on average) lifespans but ALSO a lower retirement age‽ What is the justification for this? If anything, it should be the opposite with men having a lower retirement age in order to even out years of retirement.
/r/MensRights12/01/16 11:40 PM
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For fuck's sake, vasalgel needs to be put on the fast track to get to market ASAP. This should have been developed decades ago. It's a sick sad world where: men have shitty contraceptive options, men's post-conception options are all terrible and severely life-altering, child support awards are often punitive because they are scaled with income and can go well above what it costs to raise a child. You can't "outrun" child support and get ahead of the 8-ball by increasing your income because they…
/r/MensRights12/01/16 11:27 PM
1

It's the same for women. Women can't practice hypergamy if men won't "marry down" either, it just so happens that men do marry down as the societal norm. Hypergamy may be a female instinct, but it is enabled by men.
/r/MensRights12/01/16 11:23 PM
1

dating and sexual relationships and how women hold all the cards in that area Women hold the cards for sex, but men hold the cards for commitment/marriage.
/r/MensRights12/01/16 11:21 PM
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I don't care if men choose MGTOW because sex/relationships/family/marriage fails the risk vs. reward analysis, or if they are choosing MGTOW as a coping mechanism for not being able to attract the quality of women that they want. Barring some type of medical problem or life situation that prevents you from interacting with eligible women, I'm not convinced that an incel is really an incel. It may be a matter of not wanting to put in the effort (including self-improvement) or having standards tha…
/r/MGTOW12/01/16 09:18 PM
2

And a lot of that blame falls squarely on the shoulders of men. We are roughly 50% of the population. If men are being ignored when they speak up, that means they are being ignored by their fellow men.
/r/MGTOW12/01/16 09:12 PM
2

men are getting away with having children without getting married Um, the ones having children are still putting themselves in an extremely hazardous situation. To GYOW, you want to avoid both marriage and having kids.
/r/MGTOW12/01/16 09:10 PM
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That smile on his face says it all. The dude with the "expecting" is in a world of shit, he just doesn't know it yet.
/r/MGTOW12/01/16 09:06 PM
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These terms are useless because they are terms that label men based upon female perspective. They are not applicable to other metrics, ones that actually matter. I don't allow other people to categorize me as "alpha, " "beta," or any other Greek letter. I know that I am above average in certain metrics and below average in others, just like everyone else. I live my life in such a way that capitalizes on my strengths while minimalizing the effects of my weaknesses. Why would one specific category…
/r/MGTOW11/01/16 05:07 PM
2

Marriage and fatherhood have been effectively criminalized. In order to remain in compliance with the laws, men should neither marry nor father children until the laws change to decriminalize these activities.
/r/MensRights11/01/16 06:23 AM
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Women aren't the problem, the justice legal system that ruins men's lives for divorce and the crime of fatherhood is the problem.
/r/MensRights10/01/16 08:39 PM
6

And? We're talking about processing power on a phone I'll take my massive battery life and removable SD card for expandable storage. I'll grant that Apple's hardware is top-notch in some ways, but they miss intentionally omit some really basic industry standards.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 01:34 AM
1

I wouldn't expect such a tax to be tied directly to marriage status, as such a law would almost certainly be written as gender-neutral. I don't see them writing a law reading as "Unmarried men ages xx-yy ...". Most likely, I would see them using a proxy for gender, such as dependent children. Regardless, it's still largely irrelevant as a bachelor tax wouldn't be financially worse than getting married and having children. The boys over at /r/MGTOW don't seem to be losing any sleep over the spect…
/r/MensRights08/01/16 09:14 PM
1

A bachelor tax would motivate me even more to not reproduce, as I would not want to perpetuate such an imposition onto my children. It would also make me inclined to produce even less. I would also expect a bachelor tax to generate a lot of backlash from the women who can't find spouses due to men's marriagestrike. If the tax was aimed at children (or lack of children), I would expect it to get backlash from homosexuals and childfree/childless women. If one wanders over to /r/childfree , that su…
/r/MensRights08/01/16 08:34 PM
1

How about passive, non-violent resistance? Something like a combined marriagestrike and birthstrike? Sit back and watch as the marriage and birth rates simultaneously drop straight into the shitter. Best of all, it requires us to do nothing. It is completely passive; no resistance, no debate, no conflict, no majority vote to overcome.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 07:48 PM
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We don't have "debtor's prison" for things like consumer debt. If you can't make payment on your mortgage, car, or credit card, they don't throw you in jail. Child support debt is special, as in a special kind of hell. It cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, you can be put in jail for it (technically, you are being jailed for failure to follow a court order, as opposed to being jailed for debt), and the debt continues to accumulate with interest while you are in jail. If you get a high paying job…
/r/MensRights08/01/16 07:35 AM
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To me, the whole premise of MGTOW is to NOT advertise, to just silently do your own thing without feeling the need to announce it.
/r/MGTOW08/01/16 07:20 AM
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Aww...sour grapes. More shaming bullshit.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 09:48 PM
4

Leave the man alone. If he wants to date 20-25 year old women, that's his choice. And since he can obviously get these women, that also means that they are choosing him. Good for him. Women think nothing of only dating 6' tall + men, or men making a certain income. They have that right as well. No one owes anyone a date or a relationship.
/r/MensRights07/01/16 05:56 PM
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I encourage ALL men to boycott marriage and reproduction until family law is more fair. So long as men continue to get married and have children, they have no reason to try and change anything. I won't return to the plantation, even if things are made more equitable, but I understand that many men do want marriage and children. Fatherhood has been criminalized. The image in the OP is a wonderful PSA that should be broadcast far and wide.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 05:46 PM
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You do understand that some men choose to have kids because they want to be fathers? The point of the OP is that fatherhood has been criminalized and that child support is very often punitive.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 05:44 PM
1

While we're at it: have you tried the heat method? /s I'll stick to my vasectomy, thank you very much. Oh, and it's a cheap procedure. My most recent car repair cost more than a lifetime of contraception.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 05:41 PM
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You better get a vasectomy if you have ANY plans for unprotected heterosexual intercourse. Do not, under any circumstances, put contraception entirely in a woman's hands. EVER! Take control of your own fertility.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 04:46 PM
1

Rather, we will give our nations/societies over to other societies that move in to replace us. Be the change that you want to see; I cannot force others to follow the example that I have set. My conscious will be at peace, for I have done all that I can. I will also take comfort in knowing that at least it won't be my children who are suffering at the hands of oppression, for I have fully insulated them from such. I would rather go extinct than to be a disposable slave.
/r/MGTOW07/01/16 03:36 PM
1

When marriage rates hit rock bottom, when women can't find enough suitable males to satiate their hypergamous demands, and when relations between the sexes becomes too acrimonious - only then will change occur To this, I couldn't agree with you more. I think dropping birth rates are also integral to effecting any type of improvement. A combination marriagestrike / birthstrike is men's best chance for getting change.
/r/MensRights07/01/16 03:31 PM
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Fuck this noise. The best way to prevent divorce is by not getting married in the first place. You don't need adultery to "save" a marriage that doesn't exist.
/r/MGTOW06/01/16 09:27 PM
5

My sperm are firmly stuck in the "OFF" position, and I'd like to make damn sure it stays that way. The less user-interaction and tampering susceptibility a method has, the better.
/r/MGTOW06/01/16 09:25 PM
21

Accuses of boycotting And? Even if it happens to be true, so fucking what! Boycotting is, in my opinion, the most legitimate form of protest. It's called putting your money where your mouth is and should be commended. It sure beats the hell out of holding up signs on the corner and drawing unwanted attention from armed government agents.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 09:21 PM
1

There is nothing wrong with the majority getting their way You really believe that? What if all <racial majority> people decide to pass a new tax on <racial minority> people. Since they are the majority, they could do this. Is a group truly being represented if the majority can silence their voice for no other reason than being the majority? In this case, it's <gender majority> people passing all kinds of oppressive laws on <gender minority> people. What disgusts me the most are the male politic…
/r/MensRights06/01/16 08:07 PM
1

Police don't discipline, they punish, so this seems to be an inappropriate solution. Police, or at least American police, seem to specialize in escalating situations, not de-escalating them, and violence seems to be the only tool they know. Using armed government agents to deal with unruly children is a bit excessive.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 05:58 PM
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Um...some of us like the permanence offered by vasectomy. Puts a quick end to questions like "so when are you going to have kids." or any type of coercion tactics. I don't want an "on" switch for my fertility. It is firmly in the "off" position, and I'd like to keep it that way.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 05:54 PM
1

AND he will have to child support if she gets pregnant.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 05:51 PM
1

Since women comprise a (narrow) majority of the vote, our democratic republic is displaying a tyranny of the majority.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 05:50 PM
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With the way our family courts and justice legal system operate, I would love to see men forgo fatherhood en masse. I want to see men get vasalgel by the 10s of millions once it is available. So long as men continue to have kids, nothing will change.
/r/MGTOW06/01/16 05:18 PM
2

Alternately, they could wait for the child to be born before killing it via microwave. Holy shit...
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 06:57 PM
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I'm pro "get a vasectomy so this shit doesn't come up in the first place." The pro-life/pro-choice argument doesn't pertain to us. The law says we get no choice either way, and in real life I refuse to voice a stance on this divisive topic when it comes up. Either answer you give can make you a shitlord, depending on the audience. Realistically, I'm pro-choice because I think forcing parenthood on anyone (man or woman) is deplorable. I do not consider abortion to be murder because they are not d…
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 06:55 PM
2

What about men that refuse to have children because of the way that fatherhood is essentially criminalized? The financial penalties for becoming a father of fucking horrid. This, no doubt, has an effect on the economy.
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 06:46 PM
2

The people of /r/financialindependence would like a word with you. Sure, it might take 20-30 years, but you can save up enough on a middle-class income to buy your escape from the working world. A few hundred K/year should make it no trouble, especially if you are willing to relocate after you've saved up to take advantage of geographic arbitrage. Interestingly enough, all this is much easier as a MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 06:31 PM
1

Headline could be reworded as: "grandma whores out her grand-daughters."
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 06:27 PM
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People are pissing and moaning that he only paid $500/month in child support, which due to inflation is about $1600/month in today's dollars. $1600/month is a lot of child support for 1 child. $1600/month * 12 months * 18 years * 2 (both parents should have to pay) = $691K. The usual figure I've seen thrown out for raising a child is $250K. So $1600/month inflation-adjusted seems quite generous. Child support should not exceed what it costs to reasonably raise a child. It doesn't matter if the f…
/r/MGTOW05/01/16 05:20 PM
2

Whenever I see "femen", I can't help but read it as "semen". They really should have gone with "femin"
/r/MGTOW04/01/16 09:55 PM
2

Never catch a falling knife.
/r/MGTOW04/01/16 08:58 PM
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Virginity and celibacy are benign. Promiscuity is not benign: it can lead to incurable (and even deadly) diseases and unwanted pregnancy. Virginity is shamed because they want to create an addiction, a dependence that can be exploited.
/r/MGTOW04/01/16 08:54 PM
2

I've always thought of "vocations" as professions, as in "vocational schools" teach you to do a specific profession. You have made me rethink this word, and the dictionary seems to agree with your definition. While it can simply describe one's profession, it can be more than that. I agree that a true vocation would add inherent value to one's life, a sense of personal gratification.
/r/MGTOW04/01/16 08:48 PM
1

Yes, it's called tyranny of the majority. This is why I do not waste time with MRA, trying to get legislation to improve the situation. Passive non-participation; the only winning move is to not play.
/r/MGTOW28/12/15 03:50 AM
1

Beards have become popular? I guess I must have missed the memo.
/r/MGTOW27/12/15 11:35 PM
1

There's no place like home. I personally believe that traveling is overrated, given the expense and general amount of hassle that one must deal with. However, I also understand that people have very different interests and personal tastes. For many people, I'm sure they would consider gaming to be overrated. I say "to each their own."
/r/MGTOW27/12/15 07:07 AM
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No, the problem is that the legal system backs them. Hypergamy wouldn't be the big deal that it is if divorce didn't mean financial assassination, if child support wasn't 18 years of slavery, if regret-sex didn't lead to false rape accusation charges w/guilty until proven innocent.
/r/MGTOW24/12/15 06:19 AM
1

Close enough, with several variations: http://www.zazzle.com/we_screw_we_nut_we_bolt_shirt-235644866874788800
/r/MGTOW24/12/15 06:15 AM
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I did not post the original thread, but it seems relevant here. I'll post the same comment I left over there. My real thoughts are a little stronger though, replace "fencesitter men" in the first sentence with "all men". This is why I tell even fencesitter men to at least consider getting a vasectomy, even if this is preceded by freezing sperm. Any man that is not certain that he wants to be a father should think about it and weigh the risks of accidental pregnancy (single point of failure) vs b…
/r/MGTOW17/12/15 07:24 PM
2

Next story: winter is sexist! This is insane. This is bitching because you like to hear yourself bitch. If you're too cold, do what a reasonable person would do: put on more clothes. Dress for the environment you are going to be in.
/r/MGTOW17/12/15 07:21 PM
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Effective, long-acting, low user-interaction contraceptive for men are ESSENTIAL to men's rights. Control over reproduction is one of the biggest issues men face, in my opinion. Vasalgel will change the world.
/r/MensRights15/12/15 07:53 PM
1

Being in a committed relationship might protect you from STDs, but it offers ZERO protection against pregnancy unless it is a homosexual relationship.
/r/MensRights15/12/15 07:51 PM
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Consensual sex is more offensive than non-sexual forms of violence. Just look at what is censored on television and what is allowed to be shown.
/r/MGTOW15/12/15 06:56 PM
4

So right they're left, or so left they're right? Cartoon
/r/MGTOW15/12/15 06:53 PM
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higher household income lower likelihood of marriage Seems like an all-around win to me.
/r/MGTOW15/12/15 06:47 PM
1

I'd rather be called a pussy (or whatever bullshit they feel like hurling my direction) than be in jail.
/r/MensRights14/12/15 05:03 PM
2

White middle aged men kill themselves at very high rates; but then again, 98% of CEOs are white males so what are they complaining about? Ah yes, the alpha fallacy strikes again.
/r/MensRights14/12/15 04:54 PM
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This is the same bullshit tripe as the "woman have always been the primary victims of war." How anyone can say that with a straight face is beyond me.
/r/MensRights14/12/15 04:51 PM
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Don't have babies. Don't get married and have kids. This is sound advice, regardless of the source.
/r/MGTOW14/12/15 08:16 AM
3

(NSFW language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XHMfedYtI Note the time!
/r/MGTOW28/11/15 06:51 AM
1

Better go doggystyle so she can sign through that stack of consent forms.
/r/MGTOW28/11/15 06:46 AM
4

Evolutionary pressures are certainly higher on men than on women. What percentage of men ever become fathers? What percentage of women ever become mothers? Men have to compete with other men to reproduce, but women just have to make themselves available. For most traits, there is more variability among men than among women, with men occupying more of the top and more of the bottom of the bell curve.
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 09:33 PM
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If my choices are to fight and die, or to run away and live, guess which one I'll choose? If that makes me a coward, fuck it. I never signed up to be a hero. If I didn't cause/start the shit, why should I be responsible for giving my life to clean it up?
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 04:08 AM
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Does it even matter? If one has been unsuccessful with women and uses MGTOW as a coping mechanism, MGTOW has still been beneficial. If you can remove the desire instead of fulfilling it, that is still a win.
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 04:00 AM
1

Why do men still marry so young? So young? Better question: why do men still marry at ALL? And why do men still have children at all? I don't know which one is actually worse for one's future, but I know that either one can be devastating.
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 06:54 PM
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I'm definitely more of a cat person, but your point stands as valid. Good on you for getting (and suggesting) adoption from a shelter. A staggering number of pets are killed for want of homes, while people still run out and buy animals from breeders.
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 06:48 PM
2

The case for antinatalism is strong.
/r/MGTOW18/11/15 10:45 PM
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"Traditional gender roles, including marriage and being stuck at home raising children, are oppressive to women. I don't want to be oppressive to women, therefore I will not marry or have children."
/r/MGTOW18/11/15 07:34 PM
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So instead of discriminating against men, wouldn't it make more sense to assist people on a 1st come, 1st served basis?
/r/MensRights17/11/15 09:38 PM
1

Sometimes the best course of action is to do nothing. Just live your life as you would. Don't get married and don't produce the next generation of cogs for the machine. Be quiet and don't draw attention to yourself. Fade into obscurity.
/r/MGTOW13/11/15 08:09 PM
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Everybody wants to be in with the girls don’t they? Because they are the progenitor of life, they are the magic creatures, they are the heart of the civilization, they have twice the DNA a man has. I'm an antinatalist, so I sure as fuck don't want to be any kind of "progenitor of life." Life is the root of all suffering. Creating life creates suffering. men are here to die and build for women To hell with that. I don't define myself by women. I don't let other people define my purpose. Quite hon…
/r/MGTOW13/11/15 07:50 PM
12

Thank goodness he actually had a vasectomy in the first place!
/r/MGTOW11/11/15 05:59 PM
2

Oh fuck, I think you spotted the next bubble.
/r/MGTOW03/11/15 04:59 AM
7

Yeah, that assclown doesn't speak for me and doesn't represent me. Aside from opting out of reproduction and marriage, and being less materialistic/consumerist than most people, I sort of just blend in with my surroundings. The point of MGTOW is to do it quietly and fly under the radar.
/r/MGTOW01/11/15 10:23 PM
3

If the government cannot get enough people to fight its war, it deserves to lose that war. It shouldn't get to enslave people to fight its behalf if the populace doesn't deem it "worth fighting for." Fuck slavery and fuck the draft.
/r/MGTOW01/11/15 07:32 PM
4

Better sleep? When I can't fall asleep, I find that jerking one out real quick often fixes the problem. It's like nature's sleeping pill.
/r/MGTOW23/10/15 10:32 PM
10

Tl;dr - Men need safe men-only spaces. Constant sexual competition (due to lack of male safe spaces) is harmful.
/r/MGTOW21/10/15 08:15 PM
7

I'm not convinced that living alone is the best / healthiest situation for everyone. Humans are social creatures, and even someone who is very introverted such as myself still finds comfort in some human contact. But that doesn't mean that getting married is the answer.
/r/MGTOW20/10/15 06:07 PM
3

Banning critics = censorship. Censorship is the hallmark of an oppressive regime. Next up, book burnings.
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 10:10 PM
2

There most definitely should be a cap on divorce and also on child support. I don't know exactly what those caps ought to be, but $10M is way high, most people don't make anywhere near that in a lifetime.
/r/MGTOW14/10/15 08:12 PM
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I need to have kids No, what you really need is to learn how to tell the difference between wants and needs. This is lesson that will help you in many other areas of life. No one needs to have kids. My life is just fine without kids. My vasectomy didn't change my life, it helped maintain the life that I have now.
/r/MGTOW11/10/15 07:50 PM
1

That image is a death knell for that man's future freedom and financial security.
/r/MGTOW10/10/15 01:14 AM
2

The biggest advantage of vasalgel is that because it isn't permanent, younger men should have a much easier time getting it than a vasectomy.
/r/MGTOW08/10/15 06:30 PM
2

I personally don't see the logic behind MGTOW That's quite an understatement, based on your post. Some real gems here: like most movements So we're a movement now? This is about individualism and self-determination, not some collective political movement You basically unplugged yourself from society's group think, and plugged into MGTOW group think. WTF? Looks like I'm plugged into a group think either way, might as well choose the one that puts the priority on my self interests it's only your o…
/r/MGTOW08/10/15 01:43 PM
2

and to warp it into a POLITICAL/COLLECTIVE movement to that end: in essence the DESTRUCTION (not the correction or reform) of marriage & gender roles. From where I sit, MGTOW is apolitical. To the MGTOW, it shouldn't matter what other men do: if someone else chooses to get married or have children, that is their problem. MGTOW is about self-determination and preserving one's own freedom. Whether that leads to bigger change or not isn't really the point. Marriagestrike and birthstrike would be po…
/r/MGTOW08/10/15 01:28 PM
1

You will be working all the time because no girl wants to be around you Really? More like: I'll be retired while I'm still young enough to enjoy it because I was able to save a fuckton of money.
/r/MGTOW02/10/15 05:10 PM
3

Um... being MGTOW and being childfree go hand in hand quite nicely. The sub itself is mostly female, but men in the U.S. would do well to remain childfree given the way family courts work.
/r/MGTOW01/10/15 01:58 AM
2

Relying on exponential growth is doomed to failure. If the system cannot survive on stable/stagnant population or even a slowly declining population, growing the population to satisfy the Ponzi scheme is only going to up the ante and make the crash that much harder.
/r/MGTOW30/09/15 08:04 PM
1

AND, the environmental impact of one person in a 1st world nation is much higher than the environmental impact of one person in a 3rd world nation.
/r/MGTOW30/09/15 08:02 PM
4

Use the money that I saved by not having children, not having a spendthrift wife, and not getting raked over the coals in divorce. Use that money to hire help to take care of me. I will also say that MGTOW seems to understand better than other men that investing in your health, for the sake of being healthy (not "big muscles to attract women"), is really important. Without your health, you have nothing. Effort spent investing in your health is never wasted. he will leave them a nice estate Since…
/r/MGTOW30/09/15 02:26 PM
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Why aren't you married? I don't like to involve the government in my personal, and sexual, relationships. Why don't you have kids? Why WOULD I have kids? I don't see how this would improve my life in any way.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 10:53 PM
5

So that's why so many gay men in America. From the comments
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 08:41 PM
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Considering that a woman basically just needs to not be fat (and even then...), while a man needs to fulfill a fairly lengthy list of arbitrary requirements, I'd say that men as a group get the short end of the stick. Yes, I think the rituals, rules, and bullshit for game are arbitrary. Unless you actual enjoy it, it's just a means to an end and involves spending a bunch of time on something that you don't even like to get the "prize." Some men, of course, will do quite well. If you are one of t…
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 04:14 PM
1

The simple willingness to walk away and intrepidly venture on alone gives you a lot of power in many situations.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 03:29 PM
6

If someone (male or female) is suggesting polyamory or an open relationship, they already have someone lined up to fuck. For the partner that does not suggest/initiate polyamory, men are at a real disadvantage since even passably attractive women can find partners easily. If a woman initiates polyamory, the scenario in the OP is a very likely outcome for the man.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 03:25 PM
4

There is something fundamentally broken about a woman who doesn't have children by 30. How do you figure? There are MANY reasons to not have children: shitty genetics or health problems, overpopulation, antinatalism, negative world view (i.e. the world is going to shit), simple lack of interest, expense, time commitment, stress, and yes some even hate children. My worldview is such that I wish fewer women were having children. Even if fatherhood wasn't criminalized in this nation with our malign…
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 05:16 PM
5

I don't see MGTOW as being against having babies in principle I'm not sure. Even if toxic family courts and criminalization of fatherhood were removed from the equation, having kids still severely limits one's personal freedom if they are going to be any kind of responsible parent. These wouldn't be government or society-imposed restrictions, but rather natural restrictions inherent to raising children. Whether this violates the principles of MGTOW or not is hard to say.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 04:19 PM
1

MGTOW and antinatalism (AN) have completely different motivations, but they sure do work well together. I learned about AN on another MGTOW forum, and it all makes perfect sense to me. Since MGTOW is about opening one's eyes and confronting reality, it might make someone more receptive to AN instead of simply dismissing it as overly pessimistic.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 04:16 PM
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Low-cost non-physical activities. There may be some repeats of what others have mentioned, so just consider it as me "seconding" it: Reading. Whether reading just fiction novels or something to expand your knowledge. Writing. I don't know what kind of writing skills you have, but either some type of blogging, fanfic, or stories. Learning new skills is always a good investment in yourself. Learn a foreign language, programming, or how to play a musical instrument. How are your cooking skills? Lea…
/r/MGTOW25/09/15 04:52 PM
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I'm assuming he doesn't have much in the way of assets if he is considering suicide due to the finances. He doesn't seem like the responsible sort that has actually saved up for retirement. Even then, retirement accounts (I don't know about pensions, but those are not common anymore) can be accessed although they incur a nasty tax penalty. I think the only thing they would get would be the survivor benefits from Social Security. I wouldn't assume that he is threatening suicide out of some sort o…
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 11:11 PM
3

I salivate imagining how things will play out once men have easy access to some real birth control options. My schadenboner is ready for Vasalgel to hit the streets.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 10:01 PM
2

How about a resounding "NO"
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 09:52 PM
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I don't think it's controversial at all to say that men absolutely do commit suicide over divorces and child support. Calling his bluff may produce unexpected results. Opting out of marriage and opting out of reproduction could very well save your life. I encourage all men to do both.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 09:50 PM
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1 out of 5 admitted backup man was a friend of their partner I wouldn't consider these men to be friends.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 09:38 PM
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It disgusts me that there is little/no solidarity amongst men. Most men will gladly sell out their best friend for a piece of ass. White knights make me want to vomit.
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 08:07 PM
1

A stash of $1M, in today's dollars, would allow $35K per annum using an SWR of 3.5%. This isn't the lap of luxury, but is quite doable with a paid-off mortgage. This is assuming remaining in the U.S. in a lower COL area. Check out /r/financialindependence if you're interested in this topic.
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 08:05 PM
2

I would say that a relationship without cohabitation is OK (yes, I know some here will disagree) but I would consider cohabitation, marriage, and having children as off-limits and probably in that order of increasingly harmful transgressions. For me, the distinction is clear: escape route. Can you part ways and walk away? In a relationship without cohabitation, you can just break up. Marriage is explicitly a contract with the government, and it's going to take the government to end this contract…
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 03:20 PM
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said we couldn't have sex as she doesn't believe in sex before marriage So she's a virgin then? /s
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 02:50 PM
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Yeah, people need to remember that you aren't just sharing assets (that can be taken in a divorce), but you are also sharing debts and liabilities.
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 02:48 PM
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Yeah, I had to re-read the captions to make sure it was actually the same woman.
/r/MGTOW21/09/15 08:41 PM
2

Yeah, figured out a long time ago that sassy is codeword for "bitch." Fiesty is codeword for "crazy." Even the dictionary says to stay away from feisty, especially if you go past the first definition.
/r/MGTOW21/09/15 05:00 PM
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The most effective exercise routine is the one that you'll actually stick with. An exercise that you hate is unlikely to be sustained over a long period of time. Sports and competitions are probably among the best, as it introduces a social element and actually makes a game out of the exercise. Actually, work that involves physical labor might be better yet (unless it leads over-exertion or injury ... which it often does) because it's already built into your day and is your source of income. How…
/r/MGTOW21/09/15 04:51 PM
2

I don't think 8 hours of work per day is inherently bad for you. However, it can lead to being too sedentary (desk job) or lead to repetitive stress injuries. It really depends on what the 8 hours is. It has been well noted in studies that long commutes are bad for you in a way that is different than work hours.
/r/MGTOW19/09/15 07:56 PM
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The goal here is self-preservation. It has become dangerous for men to reproduce due to the legal sanctions imposed on fathers. and allow for the end of the human race? There are ~7 billion people, I don't think we are in any danger of extinction. If things got to some point where this was even a remote concern, I believe laws and society would change so that men weren't putting their heads on the chopping block for the act of becoming a father. or are you just advocating the creation of more ma…
/r/MGTOW18/09/15 10:28 PM
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Fatherhood isn't a direct criminal act, but it is a precursor that might set you up for non-compliance with the law. If you are unable to pay your child support, you are no longer complying with the law. As a general rule, it is wise to avoid situations where you may find yourself unable to follow the law. Also, remember that child support is awarded based on your income (and can be imputed), not on actual expenses. Thus it takes away your right to live frugally, as the courts will dictate how m…
/r/MGTOW18/09/15 06:06 PM
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Men are already starting to refuse marriage in ever-increasing numbers. Once a critical mass of men start to wake up and realize how dangerous fatherhood is, how fatherhood is basically a criminal act, there will be a lot more squirming.
/r/MGTOW18/09/15 03:24 PM
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Yes, I have adopted 2 cats. I suppose they do inhibit my freedom, ever so slightly, but it isn't an issue in my daily life. Cats are really low maintenance and make good companions. It's not like having a dog, where you have to plan your day around its shitting schedule.
/r/MGTOW18/09/15 06:20 AM
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Decline of marriage is a form of self-defense against a disgusting family law system. When a behavior is disincentivized or outright punished, don't act surprised when said behavior diminishes in frequency. This is psychology 101
/r/MGTOW18/09/15 12:25 AM
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It should be illegal to withhold this information, as it amounts to falsifying medical records. It is improper to frame this as a privacy issue because the people who would be informed are already directly involved and directly affected. You are not entitled to privacy on a specific information when that information is being used to commit fraud. Father's rights aside (which apparently don't mean fuck-all), there are medical reasons why children would need to know their genetic ancestry. Things …
/r/MGTOW17/09/15 05:05 PM
2

If you can learn vicariously from the hard lessons of others, you are ahead of the game. Others have warned you to not get married. Just as (or even more) importantly, don't have kids either. ALWAYS use your own contraception regardless of what they say they are using. You have zero rights if their contraception fails, even if it was malicious.
/r/MGTOW17/09/15 05:00 PM
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As the average young single childless woman now makes more than a similar man But wait! Isn't there a wage gap where women only make ~78% as much as men?
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 06:08 PM
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Buying is NOT necessarily smarter than renting. What if your job relocates? What if you change jobs? You then either have to sell, deal with a shitty commute, or try and rent the place out. What if you want to change to a better job but skip the opportunity because you are anchored by a house? If you don't need mobility, buying usually comes out ahead. If you do need mobility, renting almost always comes out ahead (barring having big annual % appreciation). The problem is that you don't always k…
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 06:06 PM
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I understand that the CS is for child, and not the rapist. This seems like one of those cases where victim's compensation funds, or some type of insurance (if you have, say an umbrella policy to cover various liabilities) should kick in to pay for the man's half of the child-raising costs in the event of a rape conviction. Barring all that, the state should cover it in the same way that the state covers the expenses of keeping someone in prison. Positive paternity test + woman convicted of rape …
/r/MGTOW15/09/15 03:31 PM
1

Things I do now: follow several series on Netflix, games (both video games and tabletop games), reading, cosplay, RC airplanes, going to the gym (not as much as I need to!), rafting, pool, archery Things I'd do if I had time to actually dedicate to do properly: volunteering, learn another language(s), learn how to program, martial arts/MMA, grow my own food, learn wilderness/survival skills Things I'd do if I wasn't frugal: travel. Money isn't holding me back from much, though travel is a huge c…
/r/MGTOW14/09/15 09:56 PM
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There has never been a previous time in history where the average person has had more entertainment options and hobbies available at an affordable cost. The options we have open to us are simply mind-boggling compared to previous generations, a virtually unlimited smorgasbord. I have the opposite problem: not enough time in the day to do everything I'd like.
/r/MGTOW14/09/15 09:20 PM
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I thought the exact same thing. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. -Tyler Durden
/r/MGTOW14/09/15 09:17 PM
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Even /r/financialindependence comes down hard on people who dare question getting married. A sub specifically about living below your means, saving a stack of cash, managing risk, and having the option to retire early will then call you callous for viewing marriage for what it is ... a business transaction. It seems to be the one blind spot they have over there. Even having children, they tend to view objectively. But don't question marriage.
/r/MGTOW14/09/15 09:14 PM
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Where is that true? Maybe I've been living in a cave, but I have male friends over all the time and have never had issues with this. We're just hanging out, watching movies, playing games. There is no big homosexual orgy going on once the door shuts.
/r/MGTOW10/09/15 07:37 PM
1

The "nuclear" family unit itself is a modern trend. Until recently (and even today, in other nations), the focus is on the extended family. This provided greater strength of numbers, better pooling of resources, and more adults to help with parenting. Children don't come with instruction manuals, but the wisdom of adults who have already raised children would be a great asset. Even ignoring all the legal / family court issues and inflated costs of everything, modern parenting sucks. The nuclear …
/r/MGTOW09/09/15 04:37 PM
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THE issue is to avoid marriage and fatherhood like your fucking life depends on it.
/r/MGTOW09/09/15 07:51 AM
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You're goddamn right gay men can be MGTOW. Just because you don't have to deal with some of the issues directly related to female interaction doesn't mean that other aspects don't apply to you. You're men just the same and still have to face much of the bullshit that straight men face.
/r/MGTOW08/09/15 07:10 AM
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It's because of the social conditioning that basically demands men to step up to the plate when shit gets real, and shaming when men don't just lay down their lives for someone because that someone happens to have a vagina. The white feather campaign during World War I was despicable. The whole mentality is completely fucked. Our lives are not worth any less, death sucks just the same for us.
/r/MGTOW08/09/15 06:44 AM
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A month letter she writes me a bomb saying that I was the 4th guy she's ever had sex with. The sad thing is, 4 isn't even that high of a "body count." That could easily be a month in college. It's shitty how low-count (or even virginal) men are shamed if they expect the same in a partner. "You just can't handle a real woman!" I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who didn't sleep around to want a partner who also didn't sleep around. "He's just a friend!" she exclaims. He's either: gay, no…
/r/MGTOW01/09/15 03:02 PM
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Wow, I saw the top picture in the first link of the OP. I thought that was the mother. She looks like she could be in her 30s.
/r/MGTOW30/08/15 02:46 PM
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The only reproductive rights men have is to get a vasectomy or to pay a shitload of money every month with the threat of imprisonment if they fail to pay for any reason. This applies even if the man did not consent to sex or if contraceptives were outright sabotaged.
/r/MGTOW29/08/15 10:38 PM
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Only YOU can prevent friend-zoning. While the dialogue in the OP was a bit...awkward, I do respect the OP for his willingness to walk away. I have no patience for guys that piss and moan about being friend-zoned. They allowed it to happen by choosing to not walk away. If you don't want to stay as just friends, hanging around in hopes that they'll eventually fuck you is a sad sight to witness. Being friends with someone for an ulterior motive is disrespectful.
/r/MGTOW28/08/15 06:22 PM
1

Not just the lips, but those eyebrows. This should be tagged NSFL.
/r/MGTOW27/08/15 05:26 PM
1

Wait? There are/were actual real women on Ashley Madison? The women weren't all just bots and fake profiles? TIL
/r/MGTOW27/08/15 05:19 PM
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I'm still bitter that I had to pay for my vasectomy (it was covered, but still deduction + copay), but many/all female contraceptives are covered completely free with no deduction or copay. No, the few hundred $$ for the chop job didn't break the bank, but it feels like a slap in the face. And men who can't afford the cost of vasectomy sure as hell can't afford an accidental pregnancy. Men charged more for auto insurance or life insurance: that's ok. Men are statistically higher risk. Women char…
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 05:23 PM
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Bachelor tax would have to be greater than the penalties of marriage to actually do much. Also, such a tax would have to, at face value, be written as gender-neutral. Tax assessments are hard numbers and can't be "fudged" by a biased judge the way criminal sentencing can; the IRS is a very cold and calculating entity. A straight tax for unmarried people would hurt women as well. Thus such a tax would most likely be written to punish those without dependent children, so childless/childfree women …
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 04:53 PM
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I would rather the money BURN than to have the people who robbed it from me benefiting from it.
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 04:25 PM
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Run like hell. Without weapons or some other strong tactical advantage (e.g. doorway as a chokepoint), you are not going to be able to fight off 3 people. I would be willing to wager that 3 average able-bodied men with any sense of tactics could beat up a lone MMA fighter. It isn't like the movies where they conveniently come at you one at a time, you'd likely be flanked and hit from all sides.
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 02:25 PM
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Fucking disgraceful. Sad that men basically have to either avoid women or get invasive surgery to protect themselves. If men are going to be treated like criminals for sex and reproduction (often due to sabotage, like this case), then men need to band together and go on a massive /r/birthstrike . As long as men keep on playing the game, business will continue as usual and nothing will ever change.
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 06:08 AM
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Good. The downward trend in marriage should fuel even more downward trending as social pressure to marry decreases. As more people are forgoing marriage, it will be easier for others to skip it as well.
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 05:56 AM
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And God forbid that stud gets one of the women pregnant. He instantly goes from "hero" (if he ever was one) to zero. These studs are one positive pregnancy test away from a world of pain.
/r/MGTOW26/08/15 05:47 AM
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When the sexes are reversed, can the man's lawyer point to this case to establish precedence? I know these laws are by state, but you can probably find similar cases in most/all states. Laws must be written as gender neutral, and any non-equal law or non-equal treatment under the law must be challenged. The only exception I can think of is things directly related to pregnancy (e.g. laws governing abortion).
/r/MGTOW23/08/15 03:42 PM
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And yet I wouldn't blame women for this one bit. Men are the ones who are enabling this. Men could say "no" to the obvious gold diggers instead of welcoming them into their lives with open arms. If a man is going to make a woman's life easy and pay her way through life, why exactly should she decline the offer? I don't see the problem as long as the money is flowing freely, and not taken through deception, divorce court, or outright stolen.
/r/MGTOW23/08/15 03:37 PM
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Facebook is still a thing? Well past its prime. Regarding the draft: either everyone needs to register or no one does. I don't understand how requiring men, but not requiring women, is Constitutional. Of course I consider the draft to be bullshit anyway. If you can't get enough people to volunteer to fight, then you need to reconsider the war. The draft circumvents people's ability to vote by choosing to serve (or not serve) in the military and seems to be another form of slavery.
/r/MGTOW23/08/15 08:00 AM
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
/r/MGTOW16/08/15 06:31 PM
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Don't get married. Don't have children. Live below your means and save/invest so that you're not beholden to a job for the rest of your life. Only you can make you happy.
/r/MGTOW16/08/15 06:30 PM
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I don't know if a virtual experience can truly compare, but you do get a lot more bang for your buck. For the price of a single travel experience, you can experience multiple virtual tours. You also get to skip many of the unpleasant aspects of travel: no airports, navigating an unfamiliar location, etc. Is the incremental increase in immersion worth the exponentially greater cost? That's going to vary from individual to individual and also for the specific experience. Sightseeing is more easily…
/r/MGTOW15/08/15 10:22 PM
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And don't forget to punch in your PIN number.
/r/MGTOW15/08/15 06:12 PM
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Anything can be harmful if taken to the level of addiction or used in an extreme form,even things that are normally considered healthful (e.g. exercise). I would say that moderate / normal use of porn is GOOD for you. Providing an easy, safe outlet for sexual appetite is a good thing. Porn is not an STD vector, does not lead to pregnancy, and can help avoid making poor/risky decisions out of sexual frustration.
/r/MGTOW15/08/15 06:09 PM
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How to protect yourself from child support: get a vasectomy
/r/MGTOW15/08/15 01:31 AM
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Managing one's liabilities, obligations, and responsibilities are all an important part of being an adult. People often think of this in terms of controlling debt, but the concept absolutely applies to opting out of marriage and reproduction! I would also say that this crosses into risk management. Life is plenty difficult all on its own and doesn't need any extra help.
/r/MGTOW15/08/15 01:30 AM
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The arguments in favor of getting married generally fall into 1 of 3 categories: 1- They are only beneficial to the lower-earning and/or longer-lived partner. Things like health insurance benefits, social security options, survivor's benefits, inheritances, so on. Wives are often (but not always) the lower earner, and wives generally outlive their husbands due to the combination of longer female life expectancy and the norm being that the wife is younger than the husband. 2- Dubious in terms of …
/r/MGTOW14/08/15 05:03 PM
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Compared to Idaho or Missouri rents here are anywhere from 3 to 4 times the price. While the money you make working for other people is not anywhere near that ratio. I've always wondered about how COLA and salaries interact. I'm active on /r/financialindependence, and some people advocate living in a high COLA area to get the higher salaries. Anecdotally, however, people I know who have lived in expensive areas say that the increased wages don't make up for the higher expenses. Expenses go up mu…
/r/MGTOW14/08/15 04:35 PM
2

War, war never changes.
/r/MGTOW14/08/15 04:14 PM
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I don't think having a gf, in and of itself, makes you non-MGTOW. Fatherhood and marriage, on the other hand, pose a huge threat to personal freedom. Having a gf does not mean that you will get married or become a father. As long as you retain the freedom to walk away and live life as you would choose, I would say you are still MGTOW. The main point is to manage your risks and liabilities.
/r/MGTOW09/08/15 08:09 PM
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I know that there are some hard legal sanctions that are entailed by the sex offender registry. However, the "public shaming" and social penalty aspect is out of the government's hands and squarely in the hands of the general public. Are stories like this teenage boy from Alabama really what we want as a society? The general public needs to band together and have a gentleman's agreement to ignore the "official" sex offender list, given that it has been watered down into the realm of meaninglessn…
/r/MGTOW09/08/15 05:43 PM
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Indeed, I have 2 friends who served who chose to stay with their cheating whore wives because of how nasty a divorce would have been. If you are in the military, do not get married. Correction: if you have a penis, do not get married and do not have children.
/r/MGTOW01/08/15 06:51 PM
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IMHO, there are no good reasons to have children. Most of the "reasons" are just rationalizations to justify a decision. Reproduction is an extremely damaging act, especially for men in America. The legal system treats fathers as criminals and reproduction as a criminal act. I cannot think of any non-felony that is met with such severe legal sanctions.
/r/MGTOW01/08/15 06:45 PM
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My father is not MGTOW and did not say anything to warn me of marriage and parenthood, but he pounded most of what you have said into my head while I was still in college. I learned about the dangers of marriage and parenthood from observing friends and reading on forums like this. Though my father is not MGTOW, he seems to have a silent respect for my decisions and has never pestered me about "when" I will get married and have children.
/r/MGTOW06/07/15 07:11 PM
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I hate the rat race and want to attain financial independence (FI) so that I can retire early. I also want to minimize the influence that government has on my life Marriage and reproduction are both major obstacles to FI and are also open invitations to the government.
/r/MGTOW06/07/15 03:40 PM
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If they were smart, they would try to do both. Have sugar daddy, work, and save your money for when you age out of being a sugar baby. I don't blame the women at all either.
/r/MGTOW05/07/15 09:09 PM
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Wined and dined: From Michelin star restaurants to holidays in Spain, the Sugar Baby lifestyle is enviable Don't get too used to it. Once you lose your looks, this will go out the window.
/r/MGTOW05/07/15 08:56 PM
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No good deed goes unpunished. The best tool you have at your disposal is your cell phone. Take cover, pull out the phone, click the video recorder, and dial 911. I'd rather be a living and uninjured "coward" (bullshit meaningless shaming term) than a dead hero.
/r/MGTOW05/07/15 08:52 PM
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Repeating post from another thread, but this thread is basically a repeat as well: While I am paying taxes NOW, I am not having children. By opting out of reproduction, I am doing 3 things: 1- I am immediately reducing my consumption. Because I do not have children to support, I am consuming less. This also means that I don't need to produce as much to support my lifestyle. This reduces my tax burden on both the consumption and production sides of the equation. 2- I'm depriving the system of fut…
/r/MGTOW03/07/15 09:46 PM
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Indeed, why should a man have to get up. I'm sure there are non-pregnant women who can get up and give their seat. Typical shaming bullshit.
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 11:43 PM
2

while decent people stop having children at all. Considering that parenthood (fatherhood, especially) has been disincentivized to the point where it is almost a criminal act, this should come as no surprise. The easiest and most effective way to comply with the myriad of laws pertaining to child support, discipline, "neglect" (i.e. allowing your kids to walk to/from school or play outside in your own yard), etc is to simply not have kids. If one wants to keep the government out of their life as …
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 02:09 AM
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While I am paying taxes NOW, I am not having children. By opting out of reproduction, I am doing 3 things: 1- I am immediately reducing my consumption. Because I do not have children to support, I am consuming less. This also means that I don't need to produce as much to support my lifestyle. This reduces my tax burden on both the consumption and production sides of the equation. 2- I'm depriving the system of future taxpayers. Yes, they will get their taxes from me. However I am not signing up …
/r/MGTOW02/07/15 01:59 AM
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I would have rather seen the equality of marriage issue solved by getting the government OUT of marriage rather than expanding it to homosexuals. No government marriage = government treating people equally with respect to personal relationships (or lack there of).
/r/MGTOW27/06/15 11:06 PM
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"Positive" discrimination for one group of people necessarily means "negative" discrimination for another group. If one group is given an advantage, people not in that group are disadvantaged simply by virtue of not having that advantage.
/r/MGTOW12/06/15 06:12 PM
1

Esther Vilar - The Manipulated Man. Mentioned right on the sidebar.
/r/MGTOW04/06/15 03:55 PM
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No, they should be taxed at a really high rate in order to discourage the practice.
/r/MGTOW29/05/15 10:39 PM
5

If you want love, go to an animal shelter and adopt a pet. If you want compassion, drag your ass to church.
/r/MGTOW28/05/15 07:46 PM
1

I like to think of myself paying property tax as paying back for the education that I got for free. My parents paid property tax, and that was for the educations that they got for free. Thus each of us have already utilized the service that we are now paying for. Sort of like starting out with government-mandated student loans, but based on your property (rough proxy for income %) instead of a fixed amount. That could be highly objectionable in its own right. I'll admit, it is a bit of a rationa…
/r/MGTOW27/05/15 07:47 PM
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Not only that, but a bachelor tax might steel someone's resolve to not have children. By having children, they would be trapping their children in the same bullshit cycle they were finding themselves in. I don't lose any sleep over the specter of a bachelor's tax. Homosexuals are a protected class in the U.S., and anything too aggressive against bachelors would likely be challenged as discriminatory against homosexuals.
/r/MGTOW27/05/15 07:14 PM
1

Parents have to pay taxes the same as non-parents, so it's really a "general" tax that parents benefit from. Having children won't lessen your property tax burden. If anything, you might do better as unmarried/childless because you can make do with a smaller house and thus incur less tax.
/r/MGTOW27/05/15 07:10 PM
2

Why should I risk injury (death even) for someone that I don't even know, someone who would not return the favor? Why, exactly, should I put my ass on the line and bear the brunt of some situation that I had no part in making? I'll help someone if I can, in a way that does not expose myself to undue peril. This man would have been better off calling 911 and snapping a few photos from a safe distance instead of trying to play hero. That's a good way to get injured, or worse.
/r/MGTOW27/05/15 07:00 PM
1

Honest question, which is more detrimental: marriage or fatherhood? I know that it is critical to avoid both like the plague, but I've tended to view fatherhood as the greater transgression when it comes to preserving personal freedom.
/r/MGTOW22/05/15 06:38 AM
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Vasectomy is probably the single best decision I've ever made. My only regret is waiting so long to get one.
/r/MGTOW09/05/15 07:30 AM
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I do not mean this as any disrespect whatsoever to military personnel, but it seem like a raw deal. Single = treated like second class citizen compared to married in terms of benefits, basic housing allowance, assignments, etc Married = subject to getting cheated on and cleaned out
/r/MGTOW08/05/15 03:32 PM
3

I don't understand it either. She isn't the husbands mother. Do husbands get their wives stuff even if they don't have children?
/r/MGTOW08/05/15 03:24 PM
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Its almost like she doesnt have to try as hard anymore. That's because she doesn't have to try as hard anymore. The ability for the man to simply walk away keeps a lot of these behaviors in check. Once he gives up that ability, he has little recourse.
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 05:26 PM
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The inability for the man to leave without facing serious financial and legal consequences allows women to exhibit some terrible behavior. He either has to deal with it or walk away and take the big hit in divorce. The threat of divorce is used to beat the husband into submission. The idea of accepting financial responsibility for someone else's decisions seems insane to me. The idea of voluntarily giving up so much control over your own life also seems insane to me. Another difference between m…
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 05:23 PM
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Life is plenty difficult all on its own. No need to help it along.
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 05:11 PM
1

Mgtow: good for the environment and good for you. Winners all around.
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 12:03 AM
3

Any bachelor tax legislation would presumably be written gender-neutral and would thus affect unmarried women as well as unmarried men. Considering that % of unmarried adults is right nearly 50% (and rising), I don't see this as too much of a threat above and beyond what is already in place. Also, bachelor taxes could be seen to be discriminatory against homosexuals. They are a legally-protected class.
/r/MGTOW04/05/15 05:57 PM
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The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek. No thank you. If this is the attitude they bring into the workplace, consider the attitude they will bring into a marriage. What about the balanced life that I seek? I do not want to involve the government in a personal relationship, especially when it is to my detriment. Therefore I have opted out of marriage and fatherhood.
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 02:48 PM
1

Yes, it is an oversimplification. I do this for 3 reasons: 1-I am not a doctor. I am a layman when it comes to nutrition and the functions of the human body. 2-The "advice" changes constantly, oftentimes in directly conflicting ways. "Eat more protein." "Protein destroys your kidneys." "Fats are BAD!" "Carbs are BAD!" I get the sense that even the experts don't know what they are talking about. 3-Humans have survived for millennia without carefully micromanaging their diets. I don't know if this…
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 02:36 PM
0

I think all these ever-changing, often conflicting diet recommendations are missing the most important point: If calories in > calories out, you will gain weight If calories out > calories in, you will lose weight I choose to control my weight by managing calorie intake vs my caloric needs. I don't bother with worrying about which "bucket" these calories fall into. Common sense will dictate that eating a lot of non-satisfying calories will make it difficult to limit one's caloric intake. Thus I …
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 07:01 PM
3

Despite all the (justifiable) criticism of the U.S., it still comes in at #17 of 85 ranked nations. That would put it in the top 20% of nations that were ranked, and I suspect that including ALL nations would push the U.S. to an even higher percentile. A quick search for Ethiopia or Somalia (for example) show that these are not included in the 85 ranked nations. The U.S. definitely has its flaws, and it is important to acknowledge these flaws instead of chanting in blind patriotism "USA USA USA!…
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 06:55 PM
2

"In a row?" Wow, I wonder how many STDs were exchanged.
/r/MGTOW21/04/15 06:49 PM
13

I will agree that it isn't JUST women. Manginas, whiteknights, and pussy beggars are an even BIGGER problem as they enable and even encourage women's worst behaviors. The biggest whiteknight is the government. One of the most egregious examples is family court, but examples can be seen in other areas as well.
/r/MGTOW21/04/15 04:04 AM
2

Aside from not inflicting harm upon others, I don't owe anyone shit other than what I have actually agreed to. I did not consent to the "life script" where I must get married, have children, or buy so much shit that I'll be paying for it the rest of my natural life. They can take their expectations and stick them straight up their ass.
/r/MGTOW19/04/15 02:03 AM
6

Limit your expenses and save/invest as much as you comfortably can when you are young. Compounding interest and returns are your friend. You can reach /r/financialindependence and get out of the rat race while you are fairly young. Then, you have the option to work or not work, choose a job that you like irrespective of the pay, work on your own schedule, etc. Time is your most valuable commodity, and no amount of money will buy you extra time when it's your turn to punch out. Your limited time …
/r/MGTOW19/04/15 01:57 AM
4

Inspirational, and completely true! Choices you make now can severely limit your future options. Limit your obligations, limit your liabilities. Less is more!
/r/MGTOW19/04/15 01:44 AM
9

Be the change that you want to see. I won't stick my neck out for other men, especially those who would seek to denigrate me for the choices I have made. However, I will set an example and have no problem openly speaking out against marriage and against having children. By no means is this a "cure all," but simply avoiding these 2 traps will help men avoid some of the most egregious assaults on our freedoms.
/r/MGTOW16/04/15 02:33 AM
2

"disregard females, acquire currency"
/r/MGTOW14/04/15 12:14 AM
1

True, but anything you've saved up prior to moving will stretch a bit further. If you are already financially independent and living off savings, low COL is a huge benefit.
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 05:58 AM
7

Looks like it's time to renew my passport.
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 05:54 AM
1

Agreed, FAR too many specific factors that will vary from person to person to simply say "this is the place!" What type of climate do you like? Urban/small town/rural? Is finding a job important, or do you have a location-independent job, or are you financially independent? How important is cost of living? The list goes on and on.
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 02:38 AM
7

The past doesn't matter! / That was in the past!
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 02:26 AM
2

Corollary: man up!
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 02:25 AM
11

Let this serve as a warning! This woman will defile herself (her own words) to get rid of these incriminating photos. She will cheat on her boyfriend, give this other man her best, better than she gives to her boyfriend.
/r/MGTOW11/04/15 10:25 PM
5

Holy fuck! It's that "maintain xyz standard of living" shit that scares me. Why must the man maintain the wife's (and children, if there are any) standard of living when his own standard of living drops in the shitter. Alimony and child support awards are insane. Given the state-imposed penalties, it would be reasonable to say that having children and getting divorced are criminal acts.
/r/MGTOW05/04/15 05:10 AM
3

Homosexuals are a legally protected class, therefore they will have to tread lightly on attacks against the unmarried and against the childless.
/r/MGTOW02/04/15 07:07 PM
3

I'd say 1,2, and 3. I don't care if you own your business, work for someone, or are independently wealthy, as long as you are leeching off others. Entrepreneurs absolutely do work for others: they work for and answer to their customers. In some ways, a business-owner is LESS free than an employee. It's much harder to walk away and quit when your name is hanging over the front door.
/r/MGTOW02/04/15 06:59 PM
4

It found that almost a fifth of the young women surveyed had contracted a sexually transmitted disease while 21 per cent had been persuaded by a man not to use a condom when they wanted to. Sounds a bit like Russian roulette?
/r/MGTOW02/04/15 06:53 PM
3

I am salivating in anticipation to see what happens to these numbers once Vasalgel becomes available. Schadenboner at the ready.
/r/MGTOW02/04/15 06:47 PM
3

In first world countries, women can steal $10,000 by marrying and divorcing the man. Only $10,000? He's getting off easy.
/r/MGTOW30/03/15 03:43 AM
1

Once the system has its hooks in you, it's difficult to get free of it. An ounce of prevention is worth a metric ton of cure.
/r/MGTOW25/03/15 06:27 PM
13

life changing event Life wrecking event is more like it.
/r/MGTOW24/03/15 07:40 PM
1

Not only do men need to avoid marriage, but avoiding getting these women pregnant is also critically important. I'll cheer when not only are marriage rates down but birth rates as well.
/r/MGTOW23/03/15 04:09 PM
2

Or perhaps they'll see birth rates (read: future taxpayer creation rates) plummet as sex becomes so dangerous that even blue-pill men steer clear.
/r/MGTOW23/03/15 04:02 PM
3

It's true that you might not leave a biological legacy, but there are other ways to leave a legacy. The names of great scientists, inventors, artists, and leaders that have endured history are not known for their offspring (if they even reproduced) but for their accomplishments in their life. Likewise, you could probably attain a legacy by donating to some cause, charitable organization, or university. You could donate your entire life savings upon death because you will not have a spouse or hei…
/r/MGTOW21/03/15 05:57 PM
15

MGTOW is a natural path for me. Even when I was a naive idealist about relationships and marriage, I never wanted to have children and was iffy about marriage due to how much people change over a lifetime in modern society. I'm very strongly introverted and require a LOT of personal space, which contraindicates marriage and parenthood. Instead of romantic relationships being the cornerstone of my social life, it has been based on male friendships. The downside to this is loss of friends, indirec…
/r/MGTOW21/03/15 06:26 AM
5

Political correctness is used as a form of censorship to stifle legitimate discourse on controversial subjects. In some regards, it seems like an attempt to circumvent protected First Amendment rights.
/r/MGTOW20/03/15 03:04 PM
5

I don't view MGTOW as a group that can be infiltrated, it's an ideology. People can choose to adopt the ideologies in part or whole and to varying degrees, but there is no membership so to speak.
/r/MGTOW18/03/15 06:08 PM
1

I also agree that the question itself is flawed: result of fathers who did a horrible job raising their daughters. They basically spoiled them and never gave them a male perspective on the world. A lot of fathers were forced out of their children's lives by a corrupt family court system and vindictive mothers. A lot of men were forced into fatherhood despite their wishes, and some of these men may not be prepared or equipped for parenting.
/r/MGTOW18/03/15 06:04 PM
7

I was with you until #4. Improving one's physical fitness via improved diet and exercise is something everyone can benefit from. Good health might be the most important asset one can have and thus should be a high priority for everyone regardless of other life goals. I also agree with spending less and saving / investing more. I consider reducing consumerism to be important to my own goals. Consumerism leads to dependence.
/r/MGTOW17/03/15 02:52 PM
3

It's true that the shit you own ends up owning you instead. I like to have a few nice things and haven't gone completely minimalist, but I live a fairly spartan lifestyle. Forgoing marriage and fatherhood makes frugal living easier. Controlling/minimizing obligations and responsibilities helps maintain a greater level of freedom. I know I don't want the usual work til retirement route, but the society we live in demands we work to live even if we hate it. You work until retirement by definition,…
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 07:16 PM
2

I donate to Parsemus Foundation to help develop vasalgel and get it to market. I also give to a local animal rescue group.
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 04:49 PM
1

Not only that, but child support strips you of the ability to live frugally. Even if you live a minimalist lifestyle and save most of your income, your CS obligation will be based on what they think you should be spending. If you are married or otherwise have custody, you can raise your children frugally so long as basic living standards are met. Child support obligations break /r/financialindependence . Getting a woman pregnant is tantamount to a criminal act and carries severe financial penalt…
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 12:28 AM
2

One of the best decisions I've ever made in my life. In terms of effort vs. benefit, nothing else even comes close.
/r/MGTOW15/03/15 12:18 AM
5

At least they had enough sense to not charge him with murder, like this guy, which screams double standard. If she wants the baby, it's murder. If she doesn't want it, it's a perfectly legal abortion. That is completely insane. Either the fetus is a person, and a woman getting an abortion is also murder. Or the fetus is not a person, and the charges against the man are related to drugging the woman (I guess this would be battery?).
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 06:18 AM
8

The lengths one has to go to stay in the clear makes me think of a certain Dave Chappelle skit.
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 04:56 AM
6

I think cutting funding (or alternately: providing funding to show approval) to the machine is the truest form of vote that we have available to us. More effective than the ballot box. More effective than written letters or petitions to our representatives. More effective than standing on the corner with a sign in your hand. Vote with your money, vote with your feet. Opting out of marriage, reproduction, and consumerism is safe, non-confrontational, legal, and directly beneficial to one's well-b…
/r/MGTOW12/03/15 07:31 PM
1

Very true observation, although I think of this as a separate issue. An unmarried, childfree career woman is going to have same issues as an unmarried man. I would argue that having children is a huge penalty in and of itself, separate from the financial aspects. Were someone to fully subsidize the costs, and were I to have 100% uncontested custody, I would still refuse to have children.
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 05:51 PM
2

Unmarried women have to pay these too. As women start to earn more (ignore the wage gap myth), this bachelor tax will hit them harder. This means a few things: amount of tax penalty for being unmarried will likely remain capped, women could get more desperate for marriage.
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 05:09 PM
14

Unless you are in the top 10% of men that women fight over, there is no "win" condition for you. Express your sexuality = get labeled as creepy Hide / suppress / eliminate you sexuality = loser who can't get any, must be creepy
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 04:59 PM
7

The best revenge is living well. Don't think about what you DON'T have, rather embrace what you do have. The average citizen in a first world nation has luxuries that kings in previous centuries couldn't have at any price. We live longer and better lives than at any previous point in history. True that we have certain problems that didn't exist before modern times (e.g. surveillance and lack of privacy), but we have virtually unlimited entertainment options, many of which don't even require leav…
/r/MGTOW11/03/15 12:21 AM
17

Yes, but that requires common sense and proper parenting. NOPE, straight for the nuclear option.
/r/MGTOW10/03/15 05:55 PM
2

The numbers are even more against men for a few reasons: 1 - Some men get multiple women, leaving fewer for the rest. Women will share a man if that man is high enough status. 2 - If you are a younger man (say in your 20s), you will not only have to compete against other men around your age, but you will also have to compete against older men. Not all women will date men who are significantly older, but enough will to skew the numbers.
/r/MGTOW09/03/15 10:41 PM
4

YES! Why do I have to learn how to "talk to girls?" I have no trouble conveying information to my (male) friends and coworkers. I did actually have a woman explain to me that my style of communication is such that I deal with things on a factual / informational level rather than on a personal level. I think "personal level" is code word for emotional level. Weird that men don't take issue with my communication style.
/r/MGTOW09/03/15 06:19 PM
2

Ability/inability to get a girlfriend is a terrible metric for loser status. Plenty of non-losers are unsuccessful with women, and plenty of losers seem to have no trouble getting women. In any event, even if a man struggles in the world of dating and decides to just throw in the towel, there is nothing wrong with that. It's called playing to your strengths and making the best of your situation.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 01:39 AM
2

Yes, excellent point. Especially if vasalgel is absent the side effects (I think side effects are not yet fully known). Despite its non-permanence, it may prove to be a real alternative for men who are concerned about the side effects of vasectomies.
/r/MGTOW04/03/15 07:27 PM
2

I want this for the next generation of young men. For men who are too young for vasectomies and for men who simply wish to delay fatherhood instead of permanently closing the door. For those who have need for contraceptives now, it is too far off in the future to just wait it out. Vasectomy IS the only way out.
/r/MGTOW04/03/15 07:18 PM
5

Put your own interests first, because no one else will. Also, don't take on extra responsibilities (e.g. marriage, fatherhood) for the sake of demonstrating that you are responsible. Controlling your obligations and liabilities is a form of responsibility unto itself.
/r/MGTOW04/03/15 07:09 PM
2

Anything that says "man up", "real men", or otherwise tries to emasculate me gets instantly filed as trash. It says more about the person saying it than it does their intended audience. My response is simple: I have gone to great lengths, up to and including a vasectomy, to prevent getting a woman pregnant. I will not pay for someone else's decisions.
/r/MGTOW04/03/15 07:04 PM
1

I find the concept of death penalty to be acceptable in principle, however I do not find it acceptable in practice. Aside from the obvious issue of murdering the innocent, I have a few other objections: *Allowing the government to execute people makes it too easy to dispose of undesirables, political prisoners, etc. While this may not be an issue in the American legal system, it has been a big problem in the context of history. More people have been murdered by their own governments than by fore…
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 07:03 PM
1

How about giving men the means to avoid fatherhood by giving us some real options in contraceptives. RISUG / vasalgel would be a good start. Vasectomies are great for some of us, but they are not a solution for men who are too young or are unsure of them due to their permanency.
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 06:53 PM
3

The system is corrupt and is an utter failure at this point. I have zero faith and zero confidence in it. Long ago I chose to cast my vote of no confidence: legally reducing my tax burden as much as feasible, minimizing consumption, and opting out of reproduction. I withdraw my consent and don't want to support the system beyond what I am legally compelled to. The largest components of this are abstaining from marriage and reproduction. Preventing the former is as simple as refusing, while my va…
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 06:44 PM
3

Ok, that is NOT true. Condoms are more effective than pulling out and have about half the failure rate with "perfect use." Refer to this chart, and note that they're both shitty methods when looked at as a long-term solution: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html?_r=0
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 06:41 PM
3

Not only the weight gain, but a few of these before/after show women getting tattoos plastered on them during the unprogress. I haven't seen it so much in these pictures, but it seems rampant in real life. I'm most decidedly not a fan of ink, and it can easily cross the line into revolting.
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 05:16 PM
2

Be the change that you want to see. Be an exemplar to others, that they may choose to follow the same path. Offer any advice if they seek it out, but unsolicited advice (particularly on such a sensitive subject) is a quick way to alienate and lose friends.
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 04:55 PM
6

Marriage is obsolete. With the social climate as it is, marriage is completely unnecessary and offers no real benefit. With the legal climate as it is, marriage is outright dangerous for men. Any woman could wield the law as a weapon and have full social support for her actions. Abstaining from marriage (and fatherhood) is an act of self-defense.
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 04:52 PM
1

Indeed, my understanding of marriage is that it was put into place to ensure a more even distribution of women amongst men. Beta males would be given a shot at sex (and fatherhood), and this was used to help keep these men toiling away for society's benefit. They would have a vested interest in society as well as new responsibilities to take care of. Marriage has always been a harness to extract productivity from men. Society has reneged on its side of the bargain, yet men are still expected to …
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 04:46 PM
1

What the hell else is there to live for? I’m unmarried and have no children, and I have no plans for either. Should I just kill myself now since there is nothing else to live for? Would I sacrifice myself if it meant saving multiple family members? Almost certainly. And I would expect the wife to make the same choice to save me and the kids if that was the situation. Now let’s simplify: would you feel obligated to sacrifice yourself for your wife, sans children? And would you feel that your wife…
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 04:50 PM
2

And why, exactly, should he simply "choose" to sacrifice himself? Is his life somehow less valuable? I completely reject male disposability. Equality for all. I may choose to risk / sacrifice my life to save someone, but I feel in no way obligated to do such.
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 07:31 AM
1

Rhetorical question: why is it that they MUST be in a relationship? They can't stand being single to the point that they keep someone on the backburner.
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 07:23 AM
4

"In the end, we're all just chalk lines on the concrete" I don't believe there's any "higher" purpose to life. We are each given a limited amount of time on this planet, and it is up to each of us to find our own meaning. Whether it be achieving some great accomplishment or simply fulfilling hedonistic desires. It doesn't really matter in the end. I don't believe perpetuating the species, in and of itself, is meaningful. Having children so that they can have children, so that they can have child…
/r/MGTOW27/02/15 07:12 AM
6

I'm very interested in /r/financialindependence and have seen a lot of articles on how marriage is beneficial to one's finances, from pooling resources to insurance and social security benefits. On paper, marriage could be a great benefit. However this is ignoring the "human" element of the equation. They make 2 very, very bad assumptions: that the marriage won’t end in divorce, and that both partners will work and make enough income to be net contributors. Marriage benefits the lower earner (us…
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 07:13 PM
1

Because -- absent some major windfall or other lucky "lottery" style win in business (or inheritance, etc | or alternately some "home" you are allowed to live in "rent free") -- it is incredibly difficult to save up 100% (of the average "going" price of a home when you are bidding against others who are willing to "max out" their credit) while at the SAME TIME paying "rent" for your own housing. Yep, you still have to pay rent while saving up 100% of the price of a house. Unless you're living at…
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 06:55 PM
1

I would say that having a child, even in the absence of having to deal with custody or family court issues, is a severe complication in achieving my goals. There is a still a great loss of personal freedom when one has a child, and not all of these issues would be solved by surrogacy or an artificial womb (read: removing the mother from the equation).
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 06:42 PM
4

Overdoing ANYTHING can be bad. Even drinking too much water can kill you. Moderation, even in things that are classically considered to be healthful.
/r/MGTOW06/02/15 01:57 AM
2

Get into better shape, make some new friends, and step up my efforts to save as I work towards early retirement. I want out of the rat race at earliest convenience.
/r/MGTOW06/02/15 01:55 AM
16

The one that strikes me is the "per capita discretionary income." They always try to sell marriage as benefiting a man because he'll make more money and have more money to spend. Yet this graphic shows that singletons have over 20% more discretionary income than even married couples without children.
/r/MGTOW31/01/15 06:47 PM
10

Don't talk about it, just do it. There are a few trusted people who I will disclose that I am childfree and anti-marriage to, though I never use terms like MGTOW even with this select group. Everyone else gets a nebulous BS answer that avoids addressing the question.
/r/MGTOW31/01/15 06:41 PM
1

Make them uncomfortable to be around you. It doesn't have to mean being outright rude or hostile. You could constantly change the subject to talk about one of your nerd hobbies (whether you have one or not). Or at the opposite end, you could always change the subject to strictly work-related topics. The point is, don't talk about what they want to talk about unless it is actually pertinent to work.
/r/MGTOW31/01/15 06:30 PM
16

A better one would be "name something a married man kisses goodbye."
/r/MGTOW31/01/15 01:52 AM
1

Sorry, I sort of orphaned your post there. I wanted to expand it, should have just used the edit instead of deleting and re-writing. Mea culpa. The deleted post: "Oh, and I really, really hate all this DH, DD, DS crap."
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 07:41 PM
9

Sometimes cars really aren't worth getting full coverage on. If your car is worth barely more than the deductible, buy liability insurance and move on with your life. Oh, and I really, really hate all this DH, DD, DS crap.
/r/MGTOW30/01/15 07:40 PM
8

Actually, she likely wants one man to have sex with her and a different man to commit (read: provide) to her.
/r/MGTOW29/01/15 07:02 PM
3

Like with many, many other metrics, men deviate from the average more than women. They occupy both ends of the bell curve in greater numbers, whereas women tend to be more average. An example can be seen with intelligence: men are more likely to have learning / cognitive disabilities, but men are also more likely to be geniuses. I would believe that this stratification exists in terms of "neediness" as well. Some men are perfectly content flying solo and simply don't seem to care. On the other h…
/r/MGTOW29/01/15 04:21 PM
3

I don't want fatherhood or marriage. Even if the laws changed overnight to make these not self-destructive and financially suicidal, they still inhibit my personal freedom to live my life as I wish. Would I like to see society change to be more equitable? Most definitely. However, I am going to live my life according to what "is," and not what "should be." I didn't GMOW with the intent to change anything outside of my own life. My decisions are based on self-preservation and advancing my persona…
/r/MGTOW29/01/15 01:46 AM
7

Trying to put someone away for 41 years to LIFE, and then offering 5 years if they'll just confess is tantamount to extorting a confession out of someone. As long as plea deals can be offered that are a tiny fraction of the trial sentencing, these sorts of blatant attempts at extorting confessions will persist. In reality, a plea deal shouldn't be able to be less than some % (say 50% or 75%) of what trial sentencing would be to avoid this type of clearly abusive scenario.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 08:56 PM
6

IANAL, but I'm going to say that claiming a non-bio child could almost certainly make you liable for CS in the future. They will use almost any excuse they can to pin a man with liability, and backtracking once that liability is established is a nightmare.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 07:04 PM
5

How stacked does the deck have to be before these types of men will wake the fuck up? How many stories soul-crushing marriages and suicide-inducing divorces will it take? I can understand men in previous generations getting married. But with the constantly increasing stakes, and the freedom of information that the internet grants us, excuses are running thin.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 06:08 AM
1

At .04% failure, you are probably about as likely to die in any given year as you are to experience a contraceptive failure.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 05:54 AM
1

You have to weigh the risks. Which would be more devastating to you: an unplanned pregnancy and the accompanying child support, or being unable to have children later on? I wouldn't get a vasectomy if you are certain you want children, but unless you are committed to the idea you might want to give an honest look into the costs and success rates of freezing sperm, surgical reversal, and testicular sperm extraction. They each have their own limitations and are useful in different situations.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 05:50 AM
5

If Japan is anything like the U.S., getting a woman pregnant is basically a criminal offense. Look at any child support calculator. I defy you to name any non-felony crime that has a higher penalty. Even IF a handsome tax was put into place that was equal to child support, I'd rather just pay the tax and spare any sons that I may have had from having to deal with it this bullshit in future years.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 05:41 AM
4

Saw another thread on this. I'll give the same response I did there: Jury nullification. That is all. This kid is nothing but a political prisoner. He is not a real criminal in the way that a murderer, rapist, assaulter, fraudster, etc is. If I was sitting in the jury box, I would refuse to convict a political prisoner such as this.
/r/MGTOW27/01/15 05:35 AM
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