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I don't believe that is correct in the USA, can't speak for other countries. While it is true either parent may leave a child at a safe haven, safe haven laws don't let one party legally orphan the child from both parties.
/r/MensRights28/04/26 07:48 AM
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What reproductive rights are taken away from fathers? What would full reproductive rights for men look like?
/r/MensRights28/04/26 07:12 AM
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You can't force another party to have an abortion. After the child is born me n have all the same rights women do. Men too, if they have sole custody of a child, can give it up for adoption or surrender the child to the state. What you really are asking for is the ability to not pay child support when the other party wants to raise the child, but women don't have that right either
/r/MensRights28/04/26 07:11 AM
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I mean, if you say that having airtight integrity and virtue is the base level definition of "moral" then most people aren't moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:52 AM
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In my experience usually when the topic of "good men" comes up it means morally good, not good in the sense of appealing to women's tastes. Ex, a man complains about his dating struggles. He gets told it is due to his moral failures (misogyny etc), not because he is boring or short.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:46 AM
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Its amazing these men feel left out when they control leadership positions in both parties, make up the majority of staff for both political parties, lead most of the advocacy groups on both sides...I guess like they say when you're used to privilege equality feels like oppression or exclusion I don't get it. And I have tried to but I can't. These men, that is young men, feel left out because they aren't included in these organizations. Yes, men lead them, but the men who lead them are old men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:28 AM
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The scenario is: I mean, this still isn't equivalent to pregnancy. In the car crash the man does both 1 and 2, but in the pregnancy scenario he only does 1. sex (by man and woman) --- drunk driving (by man) birth (by woman) --- car crash (by man) Who is ethically responsible for the helpless person? In neither case do the rights of person at step 3 change or go away because you can imagine a counterfactual scenario in which steps 1 and 2 didn’t happen. No one is claiming that. Answer the questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:48 PM
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Your correct, I was in a rush and explained my position incorrectly. Here is what I am trying to get at: Look at the order of events: Pregnancy: Man and Woman have sex. Woman chooses to give birth. "Car Crash Analogy" Woman gives birth. Man crashes into victim. These are not equivalent situations. In the first case when the man makes his actions, it does not fully determine whether a helpless person exists. The woman must then make her choice. In the second scenario, once the man makes his choic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:30 PM
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Yes, but in pregnancy, the man's action (having sex with the woman) predates the existence of the helpless child, while in your analogy, the man's action (crashing the car) postdates the existence of the helpless child. And with your "pushed into pit" example both parties actions happens "at the same time". Neither of these are analogous to pregnancy. To run with your pit example, what if instead the pit has two levels. The first level has a staircase so the child can walk out. The deeper level …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:28 AM
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The analogy doesn't work because in real life the man's choice happens before the woman's choice and the final outcome is fully contingent on what the woman chooses to do after the man. If I put bullets in your gun, and you, knowing that your gun is loaded, shoot someone, to what extent should I be responsible the consequences of your actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:48 AM
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But even if those rights were perfectly equal, that still wouldn’t change the child’s right to parental care from every parent involved in bringing them into existence. Why do we stop at parents? Suppose a woman goes through a fertility clinic and a doctor fertilizes her egg with some sperm, then implants it in her. Has the doctor through his actions created an obligation to another person? What if the biological mother does not carry the baby, but a surrogate does? Does the surrogate have an ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:27 AM
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But oh my God I cannot stand this year amount of jumping through flaming hoops just to get a woman to like me. You shouldn't have to "get" a woman to like you. You should be initially dating to see if you like each other, if you don't, stop dating, if you do, continue. I have to make You shouldn't "have to" do this. You unironically, be yourself, and only do this if you want too. If you don't want to, don't date her. Your issue is your dating women you don't like, who don't like you, because you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:31 AM
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If this "oppression" is only caused by people in their own group, then it's not oppression based on their group. Nonsense. Imagine a culture that practiced foot binding of women. If this was enforced by other women (mother's binding the feet of the children etc, peers shaming each other for not binding their feet), would that mean women were not oppressed by it? it is definitely an issue that other men sabotage them by refusing to work in mental health care and ensure that mental healthcare has …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:44 PM
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I've realized now your the same poster who has posted repeatedly about this topic over the past few years. I'll tell you more or less the same thing I told you then. Women are not attracted to a number in your a bank account, your problem is your strategy and the fact that you are not using your money. If I recall you mostly online date and have a minimal social life centered around your work. You did better when you were younger and poorer because you were less boring and had a better social li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:30 PM
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It may not physically attract women, but it definitely helps, it buys opportunity, status, fashion etc... I think the point is that a guy who is a 5/10 who makes 750,000$ a year is not more appealing than a 8/10 super hot guy who makes 75,000$ a year. Especially when in the world, the first guy doesn't turn you on at all. Your missing the point. Who does better, the 5/10 guy making 750,000 or the 5/10 making 75000? Money does matter, more importantly, for some 5/10 guys, its easier to become the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:15 PM
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Men choose to become or not become a parent upfront when he is in control of his body and his sex gametes. When does a man choose to become a parent? Yes, they both have equal rights to their gametes, but gametes are not parenthood. If the baby is born both are required to care for it What about sperm donation? Ex, a single women goes to a fertility clinic and picks out sperm from an anonymous donor. Is this unethical? Does the donor have a moral responsibility he is avoiding? Or is it okay that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:44 PM
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Are women hypergamous for merely wanting "top men," or for partnering with our best option? Both unpartnered men and women will take the best option that they can get. This doesn't make them hypergamous. Sure. I'm just still a little unclear on what actually makes women hypergamous According to trp theory: Women are hypergamous because when a more attractive man comes along, she will want to dump their current man and date that man instead. They can choose not to, but they still desire to do so.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:45 AM
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If you were truly in a monogamous relationship? No. But suppose Alice and Bob were college friends, and and at the end of one school year they confessed to each other and decided to date when they came back after the summer break. They talked every day and made lots of plans for the future, and even visited each other twice, but they were never physically intimate. I would say that they were being very immature, in not setting boundaries and not deciding on whether they were actually in a commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:29 AM
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How long was your last relationship, and did you do more than kiss, with your ex? Have you ever had sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 03:10 AM
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This doesn't seem correct. There are numerous examples of men making lifestyle changes that don't seem directly correlated to whether or not they are abusive, and gaining a relationship as a result. For example an overweight ugly man, might hit the gym, and get a relationship after doing so. For your hypothesis to be true, it would suggest that either: He coincidentally also stopped being abusive, even if he reports no other lifestyle changes (self work, therapy, etc...) Some how hitting the gym…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:56 AM
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Yeah. I've had the same experience. Very rare to meet someone who has made a concerted effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:39 AM
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So, again, did I try hard enough for you? I mean, to be honest, that isn't that much, especially when you consider that cold approaching and speed dating have low success rates to begin with. As a former person who struggled with dating (I did not have my first relationship till my late 20s), you basically need to min-max your social life or your on line dating profile. Neither is easy. The short cut to the first is just to put your self in environments of high sociosexuality. I.E travel and par…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:38 AM
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I mean, we've been over this. It had minimal impact because your not putting your self in the same kinds of situations as you did in your 20s and your not using your money in anyway that would have an impact. Women don't literally care about a number in your bank account, you actually have to be doing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 06:45 AM
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Everyone wants the best they can get. That's not what hypergamy means in the red pill context. It's about the difference in men and women's sexual strategies and desires. Consider a high powered lawyer in a married relationship, and what they might desire in an extra-marital relationship. Typical beliefs about men and women would say that if the lawyer is a man he might desire to cheat on his wife with his secretary(even if his secretary was not as good looking as his wife), but would still desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:20 AM
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Those are extreme comparisons. Yes, they make the point obvious. If your going to claim that money is irrelevant, then you have to claim that those two men do exactly the same. Even so, the 8/10 guy making 60k/year is not going to be dating professional models or upper class women who "summer" in the hamptons (though he might hookup with them occasionally). The 8/10 executive making 600k/year can. Your not doing that, so now we both agree that money does matter, its just a question of how much. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 03:48 AM
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Iterating the point again doesn't make it more true. If the kinds of people women and men are interested in is exactly the same, why are they so different in media? Where are all the men consuming media about dating hotshot business women? Why are they so vastly out numbered by stories about men be/coming rich and powerful and having a harem of women? Why would women rather read stories about dating rich men, rather than becoming rich? The attractive man is attractive is attractive. Plus he can …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 03:03 AM
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Your just avoiding the argument. Iterating your point again doesn't make it any more true. Who does better with women? The 8/10 guy who owns the yacht and the nice apartment by the beach, or the 8/10 guy with a mattress on the floor in a shitty house?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 02:57 AM
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That doesn't explain the dominance of high status, wealthy men in romance stories for women. Why are they choosing to read stories about hot and wealthy men, as opposed to just hot men? What about the fictional men being wealthy is attractive to them? Why aren't the women in stories of romance for men similarly wealthy as often, if you claim women are the exact same as men? Can you answer that question in a way that squares with the idea that wealth does not make you more attractive to women? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:09 PM
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A guy in a book can't spoil the woman reading it, so why do women like to read about it? What is attractive about reading a romance novel where the male lead is a hotshot CEO?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 11:21 AM
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If career/money/status are irrelevant, why do romance novels and lifetime movies always feature guys who are of high status? You'd think that hot gas station attendants would be equally represented as hot-CEOs, but for some reason there are more of the second. Women can't make an ex-husband out of a guy in a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:53 AM
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You will be able to make epicycles for every example I give. The point is there are plenty of things that can "go away", even looks. Why does that mean the women aren't authentically attracted to you when you do have those things? It's well documented that women are attracted to status, power and personality (dark triad stuff, I don't mean being kind). Money plays a role in the first. Obviously this is a spectrum. If your a fifty year old fat wealthy man, dating 20 year old women, the women with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 09:00 AM
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if the money suddenly went away would these women stay? To be clear, I am not referring to explicitly transactional situations, but one where you use your money as a way to make your self more attractive. Lots of women are attracted to Adam Driver, many of these women would not be attracted to him if he was just a guy working at a gas station and not a movie star famous for playing brooding bad boy. Do you think that means women are not authentically attracted to Adam Driver?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:51 AM
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No. You are absolutely wrong. Men with more money absolutely do better in dating, because part of attracting women is status, and money buys status. All things equal, the man with more money does better. How can you disagree with this? If your dating prospects haven't changed then either you are not using your money correctly. will be immediately turned off by showing off wealth. Yes, don't be gauche. All the rich guys I know who have lots of pretty girls around, pay for them. Sugar daddies, esc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:35 AM
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being kind and stable is a good strategy to get one eventually. How can it be a called a good strategy when Henry who is plainly follow a different strategy does even better? If Henry does well, despite being a terrible person because of these other things to make himself attractive. Aren't those other things even more important than kindness and stability? That's the lie. Blue pill says, that if you want a relationship, you should be kind and stable. When the truth is you should pursue the "oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:47 PM
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It doesn't contradict anything I'm saying, good read though. If kindness and stability is how you get a relationship, why does broke, in and out of jail, abusive Henry see more success than the kind, but awkward and not masculine, white collar worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:21 AM
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OP Is claiming that to get a relationship is stability, kindness, and hygiene. How is that not downplaying looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:16 AM
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No, they just don't Your literally in a thread where OP is writing The blue pill says the standards for finding a relationship are simple and straightforward (stability, kindness, basic hygiene). So yes, the blue pill does downplay looks. It's happening in this very thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:52 PM
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THIS IS TRUE, for the vast, vast majority of men. Looking at pew research polls, around three percent of men older than 45 have never been in a relationship. And the vast majority of men complaining that the blue pill lied to them are not men 45 and older. You can't look at those men to figure out what young men now are going through. That if you are nice, take decent care of yourself, and have a stable job you will find a relationship if you try. This is a lie. You needn't look any further than…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:42 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:21 PM
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Absolutely not true. People are willing to invite women to spend time with them far more frequently than they will men. Ex, if your a woman at a youth hostel and start talking to a group of people (men or women) they are far, far more likely to invite you out with them later than if you are a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:33 AM
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Got a mirror? Link is down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:55 PM
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How about this guy? https://old.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/1853mql/having_no_luck_at_all_any_tips_are_appreciated/ Or https://old.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/1860o68/really_cant_tell_why_im_not_getting_likes/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:09 AM
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The issue is that it is baked into the analogy that when a man does find water, it is potable. Why are we assuming that is true? Maybe just like women, most options for men are bad, and unlike women, men get fewer options to pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:13 AM
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Okay your either in a really terrible location or your profile needs a lot of work. If your willing to share some photos (you can paint over any identifying info if you want), I can suggest what your doing wrong. 18th birthday (over 2 years ago Oh ok. That's good. Partly covid and your young enough that if you put it you could see a lot of success in the rest of your 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:55 PM
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So therefore its not as simple as "because there wouldn't be a child without his sperm". Suppose there was an alternate world where woman were not naturally fertile, rather, after sex, they had to take a pill to become pregnant. Would you hold that if a man and woman had sex, and a few days later the woman took the pill, and became pregnant (b.c the man's sperm was still in her body), that the man should be responsible for the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:11 AM
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Hypothetical question, if there was a big red button men could push, that would cancel the pregnancy, with no harm to the woman, would it be okay for the man to push it, even if the woman wanted to stay pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:35 PM
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That's also try if women use a sperm donor. In that case should a man be responsible for his child?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:24 PM
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With out more information I can't tell what your doing wrong. I could see how someone could do hundreds of cold approaches and get no where, that's understandable. Like if: Some I've known for over a decade Some I've interacted with over a few weeks Is ~five people, then that could just be chance. If its ~20 then your doing something wrong. Similarly w.r.t to online dating, if your able to have a conversation with in dating app it should be difficult to convert that to a simple date. So how many…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:38 PM
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Your doing something wrong. How are you asking people out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:07 PM
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You are just rationalizing an excuse to not take initiative because it makes you uncomfortable to do so. If you convince yourself that no woman would ever be interested then there is no reason to ask anyone out. The truth is there are women who are interested, but the vast majority of the time you need to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:57 AM
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Your problem then is not your height or your looks but that you don't ask people out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:55 PM
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So you've never actually asked a girl out on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:47 PM
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I even kinda asked a girl Have you ever actually asked a girl out?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:35 PM
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This is best post I've read on this. Nice work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:19 PM
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I mean yes, if you don't do anything then nothing can help that. It doesn't mean that all else the same a 6"2 man who approaches women will have a much better time of it than a 5"6 man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:22 AM
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It has made men think that going from 60 to 110k makes them chad magically Lol what men think this? I feel like your complaining about a straw man. Money is important, and every bit helps but you need like at least 2 to 3 times that much to see a change imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:20 AM
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Your social circle is not representative of gender norms at large. I used to live in the bay area. I knew plenty of women who dated non gender conforming men, but it would still be wrong to say that is universally true. And anyways, to get OP's point you need to look at something like lifts/hair system/shoulder pads. No one is okay with those.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:18 AM
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No, it still does, people love to say this, but they keep leaving out stuff. Women send so few messages to begin with that out comes are driven entirely by what men do and how women respond. Not by who women message first. Men send so many messages, that even if more messages go to more attractive women, less attractive women are still getting more messages from men, than less attractive men are getting from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 09:17 PM
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It is not "Only yourself and internalized patriarchal views" Holding men back from painting their nails, but the desires and gender normative expectations of most women. Only men who have some degree of masculinity to begin with can get away with flaunting gender norms (even in progressive cities) as demonstrated by your own post (You have to cite how your bf works in construction, so he isn't taken as a femboy). However more relevant to what the OP would be something like a man who wears lifts,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 08:21 PM
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I was confused, because when I looked at the data for that study, I expected more boys to have attempted suicide than girls. Then I realized that since it was a survey, the people who killed themselves weren't alive to answer the survey. So the data only reflects the people not depressed enough to commit suicide. The people with the worst mental health were not included.
/r/MensRights18/02/23 03:29 AM
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the menu The vast majority of people would never consider dumpster diving to be on the menu, but a broke person might. Abundance definitely plays a roll in what one might consider to be a remarkable. And in the other direction, remarkable is context sensetive. The small town high school basketball star might be remarkable, until he goes to the big city college where he can't even make the team. In the same manner the small town girl will change what she consider's to be her options when she move…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:17 PM
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Unless your attractive and put your self in social situations your not going to be asked out by women. From what you describe, your life is broken. Your problem isn't dating or women. It's mental health. You have severe social anxiety and are also likely clinically depressed. You need to put your life back together. It's possible, but difficult to do it on your own so I would suggest seeing a mental health specialis
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:56 PM
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This has to be bait right? On the off chance your serious, why would someone who ever "needed toxic men" be the best partner I could ask for? A better partner would be someone who learned and grew emotionally through a couple long term relationships than someone with no relationship experience than flings with toxic men. And anyways, you'd probably be feeling that I want to finally get into something serious and get married/have kids Regardless of whether you had a hoe phase or not. It's pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 06:16 PM
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because they always conveniently forget No, because it's irrelevant if you actually consider the context of the statistics. First, it was about messages, not swipes. Second it was only looking at proportions, not magnitudes. While it may be true that women are more equitable in their distribution of first messages, they send so few (comparitvely) that's it irrelevant. What drives outcomes is how women respond to men's initiation (as should be no surprise) and women do, in a sense respond disprop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:19 PM
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I mean my girlfriend literally did this to me. She put me in the "potential ltr bucket" and as such treated me differently than the men she hooked up with. As much as I don't like it, I don't see what's confusing about it. If you want to hookup with Chad what's the point in waiting? If you want a ltr why nor make him wait to see if he's really committed to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:38 PM
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It's the context. To quote from here: The closest analogy I can think of is those religious people who say “God is just another word for the order and beauty in the Universe” – and then later pray to God to smite their enemies. And if you criticize them for doing the latter, they say “But God just means there is order and beauty in the universe, surely you’re not objecting to that?” https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ If the role of the phrase was as you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:42 AM
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No, see I can play this game too (and I say this as a bi-racial person), I am not blaming black people for how they were born, I am merely referring to the norms of african american culture that harms them and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:25 AM
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If "toxic* is just an adjective to describe the the negative norms a culture inflicts upon itself and society why should whether or not that culture has been oppressed be relevant? A cursory search suggests "suppressing emotions" as an example of toxic masculinity. In a counterfactual world where men were oppressed, but still suppressed their emotions, would this no longer be toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:22 AM
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There is only confusion because the use of the term is plainly disingenuous. If your definition was all it meant social justice would have no problem using the the term elsewhere. But there isn't. There's a reason it's only masculinity that's toxic. You would never see anyone in sj describing, say the cultural norms of black culture that harms society and themselves as "toxic blackness" even though if it all meant was what you suggest that should be no big deal. But it would because "toxic mascu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 05:33 AM
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35 women still get a lot of attention and validation from men their age and older. Point being there is no wall. This entire dialogue is ridiculous, you say that the concept is inaccurate and weak, yet the only thing weak and inaccurate is the straw man you've constructed. All you've proven is not that the wall is inaccurate, but that your understanding of it is. No where does TRP claim that the wall means women become ugly at 35, or that they stop getting attention, it's about the change in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 07:59 PM
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You can't use the average age of marriage in the U.S.A to extrapolate out accurately what people in their 20s now. The average age of marriage in the u.s.a is samples from a very different, sure maybe the average women met their spouse at 25, but the average woman is also in her 50s. What the average person did their 20s doesn't necessarily tell us what the life is like for 20s now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:38 AM
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Men/Chads will always weigh their options to fuck the best girl out of an ocean of options No! No he won't! He will fuck the best girls and plenty others on the side when hes to lazy to do the work for the 9s/10s when the 7s will come over and bring beer. Men are not women. every one of you would have harem of freshest and hottest girls from all over the world Yes. Exactly. And thats polygamy not hypergamy. If you want to complain about a double standard w.r.t to each gender's reproductive strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:46 AM
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you woldnt call him hypergamous, its just natural and most logical move I wouldn't call him hypergamous because he would be polygamous. The 60yo man in south east asia will certainly be fucking more than one girl. Men want to be polygamous. Women want to be hypergamous. Its not as simple as "people want the best they can get" but rather reflects the the different priorities of men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:44 AM
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That's cultural. That seems like a conclusion that is difficult to justify so confidently. How do you know? Why wouldn't wouldn't we expect a evolutionary imperative towards securing paternity?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 12:48 PM
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They're not. They're triggered by sexually unsuccessful men who are obviously hateful and misogynistic. I think the OP is pointing towards some truth. Consider Scott Aaronson's comment about his struggles with sexual success. Nothing he said was anywhere near incel rhetoric, yet it still resulted in a crazy amount of drama, defended and summarized here).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 10:11 AM
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Your ignoring paternity. That would prioritize securing women when they were younger before they became sexually active. If you are the only man shes slept with, paternity is guaranteed. Women 20+ may be more likely to successfully give birth, but its probably harder to control the reproductive freedom of an adult woman than a teenage girl. I should hope its clear I'm not saying this is a good thing, or that it is necessarily true, it just seems to be a big part of the picture your leaving out. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 10:08 AM
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Because women choose to have children with those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 03:05 PM
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Your numbers are pointless, because while they may be true they reflect so little information that they don't convey an accurate understanding of your own likliehood. See my doctor example. Or for the same point consider your claim that its a .5% chance. Lets assume it is true that women have 20 hookups over the course of 10 years. So yes, on a given day a women has a .5% chance of having a hookup. But suppose that women are more far more likely to have hookups on on a Friday, suddenly we are pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 04:59 PM
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Your math is dumb. It doesn't have any semblance of a connection to reality. What is actually going on is you don't want to try, and so are trying to justify why its not worth it, to excuse your self from doing so. The point is that statistics don't determine truth, they reflect knowledge. When you say theres only a .5% chance, thats not the truth of the matter, thats the truth given all you know. EX: There are ~1 million doctors in the U.S.A, that doesn't mean saying that "your chance of becomi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 01:30 PM
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If you've never gotten a date your doing something wrong. Your getting ghosted so the women in question were at least somewhat interested, your just failing to convert that over to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 12:28 PM
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It's boys never becoming actualized men because they get consumed by a screen. Video games and porn provide false satisifcatiation towards ones desire for socialization/mastery and sex respectively. With these desires satisfied for the short term they have little interest in becoming the kind of men women desire... And as such struggle to find women who want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 12:22 PM
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Can you post a picture of what an average woman is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 02:00 AM
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First I wanted to say that I like your comment a lot. It's really well written and thought out. Thanks! For every woman in a relationship there's a man in a relationship, so it's more or less equal. While true, I don't think that necessarily speaks towards the attainability of a relationship. Men have higher standards for long term relationships than for casual ones. In our modern society most relationships start casually, often times with sex before any talk of "what are we?". So it can be diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 10:51 PM
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So no, being female isn’t life on easy mode. So, I don't think ease of casual sex is the sole motivation for this claim but rather the inate social value of women vs the invisibility of men. Both have their pros and cons. As for just casual sex, sure that alone may not be important, but the attainability of it is reflective of the attainability of getting a romantic relationship to begin with. Men want love and emotion too, and while you may feel it's just as hard to get it from the people you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 06:21 PM
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very similar to prom night rape. You know where a horny young guy constantly pressures his high school girlfriend into having sex even though she expresses that she dosen't want to. I'm suppose to hear no a thousand times from this little girl, so that eventually she can say yes and eat some dam broccoli, but I cant stop asking her, and I cant force her either. Uh, you do realize that in the case of prom night, you can and should stop asking her? Like, I guess they are similar sense that you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 04:40 PM
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You read all of what I said, never picking up any new perspective from the other side Your perspective doesn't matter. You may not have thought in the moment that you weren't raping her, but you were wrong. Did you even read the part about slut shaming? Irrelevant. She said no and you had to hold her down. It was rape. If she was both verbally and physically telling you no. So you should have stopped. Right my mistake, woman don't have any responsibility to adequately convey consent or the lack …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 05:44 AM
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Wtf? Baring prior discussion why the hell would you think you had her consent if you had to pin her down to stop her from stopping you? It also felt like we were playing at this almost role play esque dominance for power. Except it wasn't role play, you were actually doing this. She could have done more She shouldn't have had too. What you described was definitely rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 09:35 PM
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you've kicked off about how men have it harder. He didn't do that all. It was the other person who started it by saying it didn't happen to men at all. All OP did was suggest that one call cops on women who are abusive as well. The women he responded too then started in with the "who has it worse".
/r/MensRights09/10/19 11:03 PM
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I'm not sure how that # is relevant. My point is simply that the N count for men is not what I imagine it would be were the average man not locked out which of course depends on what "locked out" means. So I asked. If she means "a hook up or two between ltrs" I agree they are not locked out. If she means "Can go down to the bar on a random Friday night" they absolutely are, the numbers don't support most men getting laid that frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:31 AM
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IDK.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:35 AM
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average men are essentially locked out of hook up culture What does it mean to be locked out? The average 20-40 man has like something like 6 partners. If "average" men had consistent access to casual sex I would expect that to be much higher. So either men don't really care for casual hook ups, OR men, on average, don't do very well in hook up culture. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 02:25 AM
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If he's not giving us a hell yes, it's a hell no in terms of if he really likes us. ???? No. This is a rationalization on your part. Men don't, as a monolith work like this. I would agree if you said the kind of men you were attracted to did, but I'd not true of men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 02:04 PM
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If he would have found her attractive he would have gone for it based on her clear signals. I think you are underestimating how dumb men can be when it comes to this stuff. We can find women attractive band still miss a "clear" signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:57 PM
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Because experience has shown me that men don't like it. For all the men on here say they toooootally want women to hit on them, dude, most men in my experience are uncomfortable with a woman asking them out. It makes them feel awkward and unsure on their feet. I'm not going to keep donig something that obviously bothers the majority of people I do it to. All your describing the situation of asking anyone out. Would you similarly claim that women don't like it? I mean to some degree your correct.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 05:59 PM
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She is beautiful + dresses up like it's a black tie wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:26 AM
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27 years, i.e all my life. It's entirety my responsibility though. I would say I'm happy. I have a pretty kick ass life. I make good money and travel the world. I'm just lonely and want someone to share it with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:25 AM
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Muslims are not in any threat from Western culture. While Muslims have been victims of religious cleansing, it is not at the hands of the West, but by other third world countries. Finally, if you want to prevent another Holocaust it's Islam you should be pushing back against. The majority of Muslims hold views that are antithetical to the ones that would prevent a Holocaust. Many of the genocides (Bangladesh, Indonesia, timor, yazidi) of the late 20th century and 21st were at the hand of Islamic…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:22 AM
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It’s bizarre that people don’t get this. It's because if you want we don’t want people persecuted for their ethnicity or religion (or gender or sexuality etc ...) It seems strange one would ally with Islam when there hundreds of millions & state actors who have not made the moral progress the rest of the world has when it comes to tolerance of people of different religions/genders/sexualities etc... I'm not saying classical liberal culture is perfect when it comes to this, but the vast majority …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 02:55 PM
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People don't run to get autographs or photographs with beautiful women. I've literally seen this happen to my Cousin (20, student) by single men or women who want pics w/ of her with their kids. Men would ask for Insta. I presume they only didn't ask for her # because they mistook me for her BF.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 02:07 PM
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gross, old, fat, bums, or just trying to pump and dump even if they weren't those things You are either really ugly your self or badly out of touch if you think all the men who want to fuck you fall into one of these categories. We get NOTHING from ONS or casual/hookup sex. I mean obviously not it wouldn't happen to begin with. It may not be fulfilling but women engage it for the attention/validation/desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 12:20 AM
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Oh. Sorry! My mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:48 PM
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I love these posts, where guys deluded themselves that the chicks are totes into their raw masculinity I literally don't see that anywhere here. Though its not just wealth. A backpacker in Thailand or a English teacher in Japan are not comparatively wealth to the women around, yet can still do better because now their complexion server as a status marker just like say. I wouldn't say its "raw masculinity" but its a contribution not very different than say, Men's fashion (which is almost entirely…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:46 PM
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Women "approach" with indicators of interest, but I've never had an experience of a woman approaching me the way I/men approach women. If your claiming that average guys get eye contact & smiles I agree. But you claim: Some are somewhat above average lookwise and turn down women who approach them. But even my average friends have been approached/orbited by bottom tier women ....flattered but not interested. Which I would say describes a level of investment of above IoIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:26 PM
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average dudes still get approached by ugly/fat chicks Idk not in my experience. I've had some success initiating but I've never been approached by a woman attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 02:30 PM
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Here's an evolutionary anthropology student that explains that, in practice, polygynous societies are associated with almost NO female sexual freedom. They're usually very male-dominated and the women are sold and bought like cattle. https://areomagazine.com/2018/11/06/how-coercive-is-polygyny/ So what? We are talking about what drives polygyny now. You can't appeal to the situation in the past to disprove how it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:11 PM
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And anyone who wants, but doesn't have a six figure income is doing something wrong, as there is a straight forward path that makes such attainable to anyone. However the difficulty of doing so greatly varies depending on your life circumstances such that you can be doing everything right, and still not have made it. The same holds true for the S/R mp.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 07:19 AM
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This thread? Yeah it was ...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:07 PM
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Its how I was raised. I'm not sure how to make it anymore simple than that. I was taught, growing up, that "feminism" was the moral authority on how men and women should interact. If you believe that to be true then the natural consequence is to listen to what feminism has to say. Its kind of like asking why do (serious) Catholics worry about sin or what the pope says. That is the environment they were raised in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:07 PM
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People who are poor: have expectations out of line with their abilities, ie lack self awareness are fishing in the wrong pond want it to be easier and to get the same results regardless of how much effort they put in Y/N? Honestly its not hard to get an upper middle class income if your willing to do the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:22 PM
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Honestly keep living under your rock where attractive women don’t get more attention from men than ugly. Are you joking? Where did I say that? I just think your making shit because even ugly women do better than 3 responses a week, but I never claimed that they would do better than attracrive women. Chill. Really, you’re starting to get scary. Whats scary? That I'm suggesting to do the same thing you already said you did?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:08 PM
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I didn’t use the same IP address either. Sure. I think if you had known done that you would have mentioned that in the earlier comment instead of just talking about emails. And I'll bet if I say that you shouldn't use a VPN you'll claim you didn't and used Tor or something. Can you deny any harder? Can you provide any proof? How about this, give me pictures you think are ugly I'll demonstrate how you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 12:17 PM
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Email address is irrelevant. They track pics, ip etc... If your pics were not original to you it's possible they had records of them already. Anyways just saying it's not as simple as your making it out to be to so this kind of test. Want to share your pics? Because I'm confidant I can do much better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 11:01 AM
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The second account was probaly ghosted. If your creating multiple profiles dating sites know something fake is going on tend to hide you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 08:37 AM
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No one is suggesting circumcision should be banned. What should be banned is performing circusmcison on someone with out their consent. Anyone will still be able to choose to be circumcised, they just won't be able to make that choice for others.
/r/MensRights03/09/19 07:38 PM
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Sure, but the point is you need to demonstrate that logic or you don't have an explanation, just a soap bucket.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 04:52 PM
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I will explain how. You haven't. Saying "If you internalize Y, don't you see how it will result in X" is just an assertion baked in a rhetorical question. Obviously the people who disagree with you don't see it, if they did, you wouldn't be having this discussion. That is what you need to argue for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 04:38 PM
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Even if what you said was correct, its still not a motte and bailey. A motte and bailey tactic is where you have a more extravagant claim, that retreats to an less significant but easier to defend one. For example I may say something like "God Exists" but when you press on what it means for god to exist, what evidence and such I have, I say something like "God is all the beauty in the world". But then when you stop pressing on me on the question I go back to acting like I believe in a personifie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 03:21 AM
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I've tried the "affirmative consent" thing, and frankly, it was like having a threesome with a lawyer. The sense of intimacy was completely destroyed and the experience was so unpleasant I truly am happier not to engage in sex. The only dudes who would want to have sex under these conditions almost has to be a sex addict. It's just not worth it! This is ridiculous. Affirmative consent can absolutely be intimate and your in ability to do so in a way that women (and you) find appealing doesn't mea…
/r/MensRights24/08/19 09:41 PM
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Why do you think "toxic" is only applied to masculinity? Ex, whether toxic "femininity" exists is considered contentious, though it should be clear your definition could be generalized to it. Similarly, why is there no "toxic blackness"? For example consider the example of an african american kid who are good students, are told by other students that doing so is "acting white"? Why is that not considered blackness? If "toxic masculinity" was really about the good definition you suggest we would …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 12:24 PM
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People are allowed to have political and moral views. That people do, doesn't necessarily make the philosophies they espouse ones that have a political or moral point. Similarly that one can draw political or moral conclusions from a philosophy doesn't make it political. Take neuroscience. Neuroscience is apolitical and amoral, yet a neuro scientist may not be. He even may use his knowledge of neuroscience to inform his moral positions (for example taking a stance on the ethics of halal butcheri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 10:20 AM
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If anything, feminists complain about how damaging and unrealistic social media can be. They aren't falling for it the same way that TRP and incel-type men do. Feminists complain about it precisely because so many women are manipulated by it. If women weren't falling for it, as you suggest, feminists would have no reason to be concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 03:41 PM
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can you be a decent programmer when you have sub-par concentration skills? It depends on the degree to which you are able to understand code. That is, if you can read code and know what will do, and similarly, if you know what needs to be done, and don't have to think about how to code it, then yes. I also struggle with concentration and getting work done in a timely manner, but my work is simple enough for me that that I can work for a bit, get distracted, and come back to it with no loss in un…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 11:46 AM
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So, now that I've established some counter arguments against the "just be cute and dudes will pay you" comments Your "counter" argument is is that it is not as easy as you would like. Have you considered that this is because you are already living life on easy mode? Not because your a women but because your 18 and still living off your parents money. There is nothing wrong with that, just having not faced the reality of having to work to live your perspective on this, even if it is true that: It…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 07:46 AM
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when men in general are more in demand then women? I know which graph your referring too and thats not what that graph means. That graph is the % of the dating pool willing to date that age. At age 26 the percent of women interested in date a 26 year old is larger than the % of men interesting in dating a 26 year old. This does NOT mean that at age 26 men are more in demand than women. Just because men at age 26 have a wider range of women interested in them, does not mean the demand for those m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 05:01 AM
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Due to the nature of reproduction women have little interest in sleeping with both men above & below them. They can't have children from both men at the same time so sleeping with both is actually costly (in terms of evolutionary fitness, and just looking at this in a vacuum) because they could become pregnant from the lower man instead of the higher one. Men don't face this problem. Sleeping with additional women (in the absence of other constraints) is only a net benefit. Of course both sexes …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:37 AM
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If we are at to the point where we have sex bots that are more than a motorized doll society will either be in economic dystopia or economic utopia. They kind of jobs that are sufficient to provide a substance existence, your groceries, your rent, your electricity, will have little value in a world where we have sufficient technology for sex bots. Either society will be split in two, and those who can provide no value will be left to rot, or we will everyone's basic needs will be provided for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:11 PM
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I'm kind of sad I got beaten to the punch here by everyone here Despite TRPers insisting that this blog proves that women care much more about looks than men the actual conclusion is that it's men that are primarily pursuing the most attractive women and that looks matter less to women. TRP doesn't say that. As usual you are just constructing a straw man. The idea that according to TRP women care more about looks than men is completely inconsistent with everything else TRP says. Ex, the whole th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:00 PM
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we were there to find out was if I could get her into me. And I either succeed in being interesting and attractive, or I blow it. Of course I'm not going to be having fun in that situation, it's basically a job interview/audition, right? That is a terrible way to approach dating. I've taken a look at a bunch of your posts and I really suggest you read models by Mark Manson. It will fix a lot of the confusion you have about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:58 PM
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This kind of mentality: I was one step closer to having them like me Just try to be in a position for good things to happen Is the really, really wrong one to have. You don't get into relationships with women by trying to get them to "like" you or by waiting for stuff to happen. Instead you pursue women you like. my default was that guys don't get to be honest...no girl wants to hear how you jerked off to her last night or whatever. Sure, women (usually) don't want to hear that but you should ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 05:35 PM
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it did make sense to me that it was the woman's job to tell me when I had gotten there or not. Of course I was interested, we knew that, we were just waiting on her verdict. Did she? Were you ever explicit about your interest? Or were you engaging in the typical nerd/shy/cautious/ guy behavior of hanging out with her waiting for to make the first move?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 05:19 PM
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Your missing the point. I'm not here to argue the veracity of TRP, I'm explaining why others dislike it. You may not feel that the advice given by TRP constitutes pushing up against boundaries, but others do. If you take issue with that argue with them, not me. I'm not here to discuss the morality of TRP, I'm here to discuss why people find moral/immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:51 PM
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Its only taboo when the discussion is about pushing up against or past woman's boundaries. When the advice given is about respecting boundaries ("If she is wearing headphones, don't bother her",) it is not condemned. However advice given in the trp/manosphere is often coming at it from the opposite direction, i.e the discussion is about pushing towards boundaries rather than away. Since the bad experiences women have had are from men who did not respect their boundaries, the advice is seen as pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 09:39 PM
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And TRP and PUA don't do anything to teach that. What PUA and TRP texts have you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 08:10 PM
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Why should I do that? I came here to argue that the role of comfort and trust in attraction hasn't been missed by the manosphere. That is false. Since you evidently agree so, or else you wouldn't have retreated to the more defend-able point of arguing that they don't discuss it enough, rather than that they don't discuss it at all, my job is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 08:10 PM
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What does % discussed have to do with whether the point is missed or not? There are lots of reasons why something may make up the minority of discussion. For example maybe it is straight forward and people have little to say. Rather I would point that what you have retreated arguing is very different than what you started with. You started off arguing that the role of comfort in attraction has been missed by the manosphere. Now you've moved to arguing that it doesn't constitute a sufficient part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:51 PM
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but didn't show that this is what most men read or talk about I haven't done that because I want to know what would qualify as such before doing so. If I try to do that, you could simply raise the bar and assert that I haven't done so. I'm asking you to set the bar first so that I know what standards I need to meet to change your view and you can't simply raise it after the fact. So define explicitly what it would look like to show that the mansophere has not missed this point. If you can't do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:31 PM
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It seems to me that no many how many I provide you can just continually assert that most of them haven't read it or don't discuss to the level that qualifies it for you. It seems to me that no matter how many examples I provide you could just assert that it is not "many" or it is not "most" of the them. If it is not conceivable that I could even change your view, is this really a CMV or just a soap box? Comfort is a staple part of romance. It may not be emphasized to the same degree as others , …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:10 PM
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You suggest that the manosphere misses a point. I've brought forth an example of the manosphere addressing the point. Is that not what should change your view? If not, what would change your view? What would convince you that the manosphere does not miss what you suggest it does?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:44 PM
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Mark Manson writes about this in models. To the extent that you consider him (or his writings) part of the manosphere (I was introduced him to through trp) then they don't miss it: Ex, to quote briefly: “You want to have a drink at my place?” If she’s comfortable with you and attracted to you, she’ll follow your lead. These concepts hold true whether you just met her that night or you’re on a third date with her. The amount of time isn’t as relevant as much as how secure she feels around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:15 PM
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So the thing about a normal distribution is that it is an exponential drop off. What this mean is a small shift in the mean has a dramatic shift at the tails. So if the mean skill for two populations has a 1% difference, close to the average you see a 1-1 ratio. But as you get further out that ratio grows faster and faster. For example 3 standard deviations away (about 3 in 10000) you mights see a 1.5 ratio, while 4 deviations it (3 in hundred thousand) it might be 5:1. So how good is a top acto…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 06:07 PM
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Women are underrepresented at the top of the art world, but women are underrepresented at the top of everything (when men are allowed too). I'm not sure there is anything unique going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 02:09 PM
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Are women underrepresented in art? I was curious about he statistics so here As of 2012, in the U.S.A: Women makeup ~60% of art degrees (2 million), men make up ~54% of people who make a living via art (1.2 million). Of those who have degrees who make a living at, only (200,000), i.e the majority of working artists did not go to college for an art degree. The median pay being $30,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 01:50 PM
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This is why I always have to roll my eyes whenever someone says that this place is overrun with TBP users This network isn't inconsistent with this experience. It doesn't weigh by frequency. Ex: suppose 100 people who post on trp made 1 post here, and 10 tbp made 10000 posts here. One would be more likely to encounter a bper than a trpr but this code would show trp as closer. Obviously I'm not claiming these numbers, just demonstrating how it could be difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 08:07 AM
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Confident men can chose to be vegetarian without having to worry that someone is going to take away their man-card Like usual you continue to straw man TRP. No one is worried about their "man card". It is fact that vegetarians are less attractive than those who are not. If choosing not to be vegetarian because you want to be more attractive to women is an example of toxic masculinuty, then trp isn't wrong that it is beneficial for sleeping with, and encouraged by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 06:43 AM
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That doesn't have the "claims by angry bloggers". Still a straw man as far as I can see. Whether anecdotal evidence is empirical depends on your definition of "empirical evidence" but I would argue that a definition of empirical evidence that includes some kinds of anecdotal evidence is not as uncommon as you suggest. At least to me personally ancedotal is different than empirical. Anecdotal is a question of rigor and empiricism is a question of means. You seem to suggest that it is "empirical" …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 06:17 PM
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Like honestly, do you not see your self as constructing a straw man? Can you demonstrate a single example of a TRPer using "empirical evidence " to refer to: personal anecdotes and claims by angry bloggers If its not a straw man on your part this shouldn't be difficult. Surely you have some examples of such behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 05:38 PM
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How is what is typical relevant here? The discussion is whether a c.s order constitutes a violation of bodily autonomy. Just because most be comply doesn't change the fundamentals. You claim its more like taxes, but as I've demonstrate its not, because its based on earning capacity, not earnings. If I quit my job as a doctor to work as a painter, the government doesn't tax me on my would be doctor's salary. If I quit my job as a doctor to work as a painter, my child support payment is not reduce…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:43 PM
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Sorry if am not being clear or not understanding something. Please explain to me what i am missing: If you initially make a high income, get a child support order against you based on that income, then intentionally quit your job to pursue a lower income career, will the courts not view that as will full underemployment? If you then are unable to pay that court order, and unwilling to change your career to do so, will the courts not eventually send you to jail? Everything I've read suggests that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:13 PM
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Nothing you said argues against my point. Yes there are situations we're if your income changes the courts won't care. Such as of you can prove it's not intentional, or you have enough savings anyways. The typical case may not violate autonomy, but I'm not talking about the typical. That doesn't mean there aren't situations where the courts won't change the order and you will eventually be forced to work hard enough to support that income or go to jail. How is that not a violation of autonomy? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:00 PM
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Which cannot be applied policy wise to child support which is more akin to taxes. I don't think its that clear cut. Specifically that there are situations where it is clear to me child support is a violation of autonomy and not at all like taxes. Child support is based on what the courts think you should be able to earn, while taxes are based on what you actually earn. Since you will eventually go to jail if you are not able to convince the courts otherwise, I think there are pretty clearly situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:25 PM
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There is nothing biological about STEM. People vs things. Women have more social interests and men have more object oriented interests. This likely has a significant biological component because women with with a hormone profile closer that of men, also are more object oriented. The difference in interests has a cohen's d of ~1.1 which is pretty big. For comparison, the difference in performance on mental rotation is 0.75. Grip strength is 0.66. So a 1.1 that is a very big difference. This has e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 05:19 PM
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A couple points. First a big issue here is your comparing percentage graphs. Second, sometimes when people disagree on an issue it can simply be because they are talking past each other. To demonstrate both imagine this situation: Suppose we are studying how the wage gap intersects with gender and planet of origin. What we find is this: Men from mars earn 10 times as much as women from mars. Men from earth earn twice as much as women from earth. Clearly the wage gap is bigger for people from mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:44 PM
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Those aren't my conclusions, they are those from OkCupid themselves. Can you show me where okcupid said what you said? I understand the graphs are from okcupid but the graphs alone don't support the conclusions your making. The more plausible explanation is simply that TRPers do not care about facts at all. Not very charitable, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 03:49 PM
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but it doesn't influence their chances all that much. There are lots of other possible explanations for the data as it is than "men care more about looks than women". For example another explanation for the observation that women have a correlation between attractiveness and response rate than men could be that most of the men who are interested them messaged first, leaving the the women to be more likely to message first men who haven't messaged them, which could be more likely to be comprised …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 02:52 PM
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We agree on the data, and we agree on what men desire. I think this is really just an argument over semantics. Ex: With these numbers I wouldn't say average men are getting causel sex, to me that implies a higher frequency, like how I wouldn't say I've been feeding my cat, if I've only fed it once this week.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:31 PM
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That still suggests my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 07:14 PM
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What's "slaying"? Some incel porno fantasy of fucking a hot girl at the club every night you go out? Op was the one to use that terminology, get snippy with her, not me. What I would say is that the as average man (in the us) has an count of around 6. This suggests to me that either men greatly prefer ltr monogamy to casual relationships, or average men can't get the casual sex they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:41 PM
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This idea that normal men can't get fucked only exists on low-value-male internet communities. Is v anyone suggesting that? This seems like an argument over definitions. Can an average guy "slay" as op put it? I'd say no, but that is not the same as saying average men can't get relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:28 PM
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Like usual you are hard at work writing up how "TRP says X" and pointing how X is ridiculous with out actually doing the work of demonstrating that "TRP says X". If anything all you continue to demonstrate is that the only ignorance here is with you, of trp. The red push back against "dad bods" isn't what you suggest. Rather its that even if women profess to be attracted to 45 year old john ham, thats not an excuse or reason to not be more fit than that. What TRPers assume they are saying: "I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:13 AM
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'Hypergamy', or 'seeking out the best possible partner by one's standards for that', is not women's default, it's everyone's default. Anyone can learn to value their partner uniquely and work to not passively search for a trade-up, but the default set of behaviors applies to men in the same way it applies to women, with slightly different window dressing. Standard TRP theory would contest this point. That men's default behavior is polygamy, not seeking out and trading up, but simply adding on. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 11:16 PM
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Because averages don't represent individuals. The average man may be stronger than the average woman but not men or women are in relationships where that holds true and normalization of such violence harms them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:00 AM
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There are basically two major sets of dating advice. The first is on how to become a more attractive/higher status person. This makes it easier to get women to spend time with you. The second, is once a women is spending time with you, is on how to make it so that time spent leads to her sleeping with you. It is the second where I would be skeptical that you could find such advice free from claims of misogyny, for example it might often be seen as "Convincing women to have sex with people they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 02:09 PM
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If you fail and fail again at something, it still does not give you the right to believe that your failure is a mistake and the world should change for your benefit. That’s entitlement, period. Doesn’t matter how many times you fail, it’s still not yours. To what extent do you apply this same sentiment to poverty? If not, why not? What’s going on? Your confusing black pillers for rpers. OP is pretty clearly in the black pill camp, that is, he buys into what rp has to say about what women desire,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 10:22 PM
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No, that's not all the blue pill is. "Blue pill" was in use long before r/ thebluepill was a thing. The red vs blue pills are an analogy from the matrix. The red pill is the harsh truth, the blue pill is the comforting lie the rest of society believes. After trp came around r/tbp was made to mock it, but originally in these discussions blue pill means societies conventional thoughts of dating/sexuality/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 04:46 AM
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They may have both but would they love both? Yes. If a man feels the compulsion to find a new wife once the first one gets old (even if he still keeps the first one) this is clearly because the first one is no longer attractive. I have a couple of issues with this. First, I would say that when polygamy is allowed, men are always on the look out for new partners. The desire for a new partner is not motivated by falling out of attraction for their partner, that is the female perspective which you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:26 PM
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Chaos is the source of creation. It should be clear why this is tied to women. That said, its not that women are chaos. Its that chaos is represented by women/feminine. This is a pretty consistent narrative aspect. In harry potter some pretty obvious ones are: Tonks (Shapeshifting) Bellatrix (Insanity) Luna Veela There are some others you could stretch. Mcgonagall teaches transfiguration which is about changing the form of things. Trelawney teaches about understanding chaotic systems (tea leaves…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 01:23 PM
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I don't actually believe either side is incapable of love, but to make the argument: How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women. It is precisely because he is polygamous that his desire for other women doesn't impinge on his devotion to the women he already loves. Your looking at this from a woman's perspective, where yes, women won't commit to multiple men, so a new man means leaving the old one. But if your point is simply that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 01:19 PM
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lol. In the past I've written so many long comments to you, and you didn't respond. Literally to the extent that I reached a point where I assumed you had me blocked. Not saying your obligated to, but it hasn't made me particularly interested in investing effort to communicate with you anymore. You can figure it out for your self.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 06:44 AM
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Its not at all what he implied. Seriously, find me a single quote that implies that. Because he hasn't said anything of the sort, or anything that would imply that. That it is slightly hypocritical to complain of expression of sexuality in the workplace when engaging in them your self? Yes. That dressing/applying cosmetics sexually will make sexual interactions more likely? Yes. That women who wear make-up shouldn't complain about sexual harassment? Fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 03:19 AM
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These studies are not necessarily in contradiction. If you bothered to read the studies you would understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:26 AM
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If you go to church, a club, an activity, etc and you’re a woman who isn’t super attractive, you reasonably can assume that no one is going to pursue you. This probably depends on the gender balance. If your club or activity is anything like most churches (in which young women far out number young men) your not going to have much luck. Could you elaborate on what you consider: a good career path What is a good career path? At the peak the career path what kind if income should the man be making?…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:12 AM
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I have a good job How much money do you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 12:12 AM
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saying 'I just want to talk about how women wearing make-up could be contributing to sexual harassment, but noooo we're not allowed to do that because victim blaming No. He was raising make-up as an example of how sexuality is implicit in workplace even if we don't think of, for many of the reasons you cite, make-up or lip stick as explicitly sexual. 1) Women do not wear make-up solely to attract men. He was not speaking to the motivation behind make-up, but to the function behind make-up. Now y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:55 PM
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That is very different than saying that: says women who wear make-up shouldn’t complain about sexual harassment Which he didn't at all say. He never once said that and its really uncool to lie about what people said.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:38 PM
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I mean, theres also this, National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track so its not like the issue is clearly revealed by studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:31 AM
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His writings seem consistently concerned with the moral failings of sexually inexperienced men as a class. Even if I don't do those bad things my self, it hurts to read a work that profess to want to help then talks about how men like me are bad people. This work is an example of what I am talking about. Much of the advice in there is good. But then there is whole segue into a discussion on how sexually inexperienced men slut shame women and on why they do it (entitlement, toxic masculinity). I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:27 PM
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dr nerdlove is basically this, but I can't read it because it has an undercurrent to it that makes me sick. Fundamentally though I think much of the advice and contextual information for men who struggle at dating due to a lack of masculinity is at odds with bp/feminist ideology so they wouldn't tolerate it. In that a lot of what (internet) feminists are fighting back against is an over expression of masculinity, and for most people good dating advice comes in the form of "be more masculine". Go…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:36 PM
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I might be wrong here, but the impression I got from most incel banter is that they don't bother asking girls out. I don't remember where the posts are, but what I recall from asking was that the population was highly bi modal. A bunch have asked out a very limited number of women and gotten nowhere, a bunch have asked out hundreds of women and gotten nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 07:44 PM
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Full disclaimer, I find PUA shit pretty revolting It isn't. You should read models to get a sense of what it is. Walking up to a woman and saying 'You are fat but I like you anyway' You don't know much about pua if you think that is what it suggests. just talk to her as if she is a person on your level'. This is terrible dating advice. Which could have been more easily achieved with "Act like you're confident and don't act like her very presence if enough to make you pass out". Consider a child …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 12:16 PM
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Okay, so first I'm going to address whether or not gender differences in personality exist. I'm not yet attempting to argue whether they are genetic or social. Just that they exist, and some of them are large. Lets take that hyde paper that shows that personality differences between women are small: https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-606581.pdf Basically what this paper does it aggregates a whole bunch of studies and experiments on gender differences, mostly related to personality bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 02:42 PM
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No, its because its written in a very defensive manner that presuming to know what I and all other men will say in response to her post. Its very defensive, with the subtext being that the only reason men are in a bad spot is that we wont acknowledge the reality of the situation. So when I disagree with that,despite agreeing with the first half of every paragraph, I'm not going to up vote it. But it has nothing to do with her being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 12:15 AM
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Then she'd be in the position of the person above insisting the speech wasn't really about higher taxes, because the only reason someone could propose that would be because they secretly believed in lower taxes. That's exactly the position she's in. To run with your taxes analogy, she views damore as proposing a way to raise taxes that will fail precisley because he doesn't want taxes raised. She doesn't view the tax method proposed as functional, nor it's proposition as sincere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 06:59 PM
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I haven't gotten to men and women yet. I just want to know if you believe personality influences interest. That seems to me to be the question that needs to be settled first. At the moment it's not clear to me whether you think people's personality will influence what they are interested in because earlier you said: where is the evidence that personality mediates interest in STEM Again, I'm not talking about men or women, or nature vs socialization. I want to know if you agree that people's pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 06:55 PM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I agree with you on all (most?) points, I'm just trying to explain why you are talking past each other. From her perspective the truth of whether the memo is pro diversity and not male supremacist fundamentally rests on the truth of Damore's thesis. The content of the Damore memo literally doesn't matter to her, its thesis is sufficient to convince that it is male supremacist because she believes that male supremacy is the only reason to put forward that thesis, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 05:55 PM
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Why would that come first? If you don't believe that personality mediates interest then it doesn't matter whether its true or false that women men and have different personalities, as you won't believe that has anything to do with their interests. So do you agree that personality mediates interest? Just in general, not even about men and women specifically. If you do agree, then I can start discussing gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 05:46 PM
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Her position, if I understand it correctly, is that it doesn't matter that Damore didn't explicitly say anything anti-women or anti-diversity. His memo is still anti-women. That is: It is obviously false (or at least unsupported) that the representation of women in tech has anything to do with the interests or biological causes. Thus, the only reason one could be arguing that it is, is if one is a male supremacist and wants to justify keeping women out of tech. Therefore, from her perspective it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 05:19 PM
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I'll address this bit by bit, so instead of having multiple arguments it will be easier to focus on one idea at time. I understand what your saying, but where is the evidence that personality mediates interest in STEM So first of do you agree that personality mediates interests? Not even with respect to stem, just in general? Like if I'm high on conscientiousness I would be more interested a rigorous orderly job like an 9-5 office actuary or something, while if I am low on conscientiousness, I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 04:31 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 12:42 PM
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Huh? No. Its the opposite for me. My problem is that around women, I don't act differently. Like, when I am hanging out with my friends I don't hit on them. I don't flirt with them. I don't tease them sexually. I don't touch them (in a flirting manner). So because of my socially anxiety and such, it is a lot more comfortable for me to do the same around women. Its what I am used to. Flirting and such is going outside my boundaries. But obviously that isn't very conductive towards romance. My hab…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 12:24 PM
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Yes, to act as I would naturally, with out change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 12:11 PM
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being genuine. This I absolutely agree with. If I'm romantically interested in a woman, then I should act like it. Not repress or ignore it. But this doesn't feel like "being myself" to me because it doesn't come natural to me. Its uncomfortable and I have to consciously work towards it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 12:08 PM
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What does it mean to be myself? To me it means to do what comes naturally to me. To not make an effort to change what I would do. In this case since I am a shy introvert with serious social anxiety issues I would treat the women like I had no romantic interest in them, because this is what I am used to doing. For women I have no romantic interest in, this is not an issue. For women whom I do, it would be problematic. I'm sure some one will come along shortly and explain how being my self actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 11:56 AM
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Niether Damore or I are arguing that biases, sexism and prejudices do not exist, or that they don't play a role in the distribution of genders across professions, or that diversity initiatives aren't important. Your addressing an argument we haven't made. What we are arguing is that they aren't the only factor. You asked a question: Just ask yourself how women having slight personality differences is supposed to translate into differences in ability. I answered. Now you have pointed out that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 11:44 AM
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not just the hasty backtracking How is it back tracking? Its not like he wrote one thing, then at a later time wrote those other statements. This was published as one piece. Or you know, the actual dog whistles It's like everyone in the world can see what he's doing except conservatives/alt right. Make up your mind. How is it an "alt right dog whistle" if left wing people can understand it but conservatives can't. It would be a "left wing dog whistle" then. Or do you not understand the concept o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 11:11 PM
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Yes, dreaded alt right dog whistles such as: I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn’t try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority. So yes a guy who self identifies as liberal writes a essay containing "I'm not saying that diversity is bad", contains a whole section about ways to make google more diverse, and you conclude that what he really means to communicate …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 10:07 PM
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The ratio of men who have power vs women is still overwhelmingly in men's favor. I don't disagree. Almost all power in society is held by men. But most men don't hold power in society. Nor do most women. comparing poor men to poor women and rich men to rich women, men still come out with more power. What I would to this is that when you get to the class of people who don't hold significant power in society, that within in that class, determining who is better off "men" or "women" is difficult. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:19 PM
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I'm not contesting what Damore wrote. I'm contesting what Solnit wrote. What Solnit said of Damore: insisted that the deeply unequal landscape of Silicon Valley’s white-collar jobs is due to nothing more or less than men’s superior capacity. What Damore wrote, from your own quote: distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Do you no…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:58 PM
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You are misunderstanding what was refuted a now infamous screed, insisted that the deeply unequal landscape of Silicon Valley’s white-collar jobs is due to nothing more or less than men’s superior capacity. This was refuted. That is, Damore did not claim this. The veracity of what damore wrote may be in question, but what he wrote is not. The author is wrong when she claims that Damore insisted that the deeply unequal landscape of Silicon Valley’s white-collar jobs is due to nothing more or less…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:44 PM
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When he has a whole section devoted to ways google could hire more women... how can you claim he is anti diversity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:43 PM
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That guy thinks women are better off than men, despite men as a class having far more power and social status in society than women Men as a class having far more power and social status does not necessarily mean most men are better off than most women because power is not necessarily evenly distributed within men and as a class. A small segment of men could hold the majority of the power while most men hold very little, while what power men don't have as a class, could be more evenly distribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:37 PM
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You need to be honest with your self. From everything you've written it seems like what you really want to do is date her, but you consider her out of your league. In that case, attempting to be her friend, when what you really want to do is date her, would be creepy because she will be getting mixed signals about what you want. My advice to you would just be to ask her out. Who knows, maybe your a poor judge of whether she is truly "out of your league".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 11:35 AM
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Point. Like if the uncertainty is between good/neutral (does this hot guy find me attractive?) that isn't creepy. But if its neutral/bad or good/bad then it can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 11:31 AM
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I don't doubt that, but my town wasn't just any liberal area. Boston is liberal. Austin is liberal. Pretty much any city in the USA is liberal. Berkeley is more like it. (not that Berkeley is where I am from). Also, they weren't sex negative. They were very sex positive with lgbqt+ relationships. I'll also toss this out there if you haven't seen it, as she is writing about what I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:17 AM
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Creepiness is when you are uncertain about someones intentions. If you know some one has bad intentions then you aren't creeped out. Just scared (or ready to fight). But when you can't tell if its good or bad, then its creepy. When unattractive people do stuff, they are some times called creepy. Why? Because it shows they either don't understand or don't care that the women in question is not interested. That you don't understand her boundaries and that is bad news for further down the line. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 09:46 PM
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"women are only attracted to 20% of men". I don't believe that either. But rather the degree to which women find men is lopsided. Its more like women view 80% of men as below 50% attractive, while men view 50% of women as below 50%. It doesn't mean women don't find the bottom 50% attractive, its just they find them less attractive than men do of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 12:03 PM
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When i was an incel female, i was in two competitive sports teams, i was the top student of my school, i had rich parents, i was sociable and went to parties, i had a cool job, i was in many clubs, i volunteered, i had cool hobbies, and i traveled. Most of that doesn't matter for women (aside from being social). From your previous discussion you were in social groups with shy/beta men who all just orbited a few women. Your lack of romantic success had nothing to do with you being ugly. The ugly …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 11:43 AM
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From feminists. That particular example I only encountered in online communities but the rhetoric was the same in my real life communities. I've written before the kind of place I grew up it. It was really, really progressive. On top of that I am probably at least slightly autistic and ahead of the game intellectually (I was reading college texts when I was 10 yr old). I took what the adults around me said seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 11:03 AM
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Or it could be that women do more of the unpaid work, because they marry higher earning men, and when trying to decide who should cut back on hours and do the unpaid work, it makes more economic sense to cut back the lower earning income. So it ends being (mostly) women. How do you know which way the casual arrow goes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 09:39 PM
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Have you heard of Schrodinger's rapist? You see, when a woman is approached by a strange man she is always concerned that he might be a rapist. It is part of her every day experience to go through each day working to avoid being raped or murdered. While I know I am not a rapist, as a man I still have an obligation to conduct my self under the apprehension that I am, in order to make women okay with my presence. Why? Because I am a threat. This is the kind of messages I received as a teen. I inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 09:27 PM
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I'm also uncomfortable with BiggerD being a mod as I feel in his writing he has a lot of contempt for men lean red. I would be far more okay with /u/sublimemongrel or /u/ginsmokelies being mods. Hopefully it wont be issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 01:28 PM
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Okay, so give me an example? Explain what the kind of women you are into find attractive and how one could learn to be more attractive towards those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 09:05 AM
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I don’t see how that is bad advice Its like you telling someone that if they want to an instrument they need to pick it up and start playing it. Its true, but its not advice on how to learn an instrument. Advice would be like "Use a metronome to keep rhythm".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 04:15 AM
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There's also absolutely no reason for a romantically unsuccessful man to listen to TRP. Where else can I learn how to get a romantic relationship? Its clearly not as simple as Dress well, Be confident, Take a shower Because I already do all that. What would you suggest for someone in my position? Late 20s, financially well off, never even kissed a girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 04:08 AM
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we genuinely believe that this isn't what women in general are attracted to. So what are women genuinely attracted too? Please teach me or point me to where I can learn if not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 04:04 AM
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Secondly, too many Red Pillers... believe waaaaay too strongly in the Just World fallacy I think your confusing what people believe, coming to the red pill, with what TRP teaches. People at TRP write a lot of angry stuff about just world style things, because they used to believe the world was just and have learned it is not. Instead of teaching that "all women are just different levels of hypergamous sluts who only value men based on their dominance, resources, and frame because evo psych says …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 04:02 AM
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yet you shame more attractive women for finding you unattractive. No. Hes shaming them for talking shit about his height/size. Which is more reasonable. Finding some one unattractive is okay. Shit talking them for being so is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 07:32 PM
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Your thesis is that our society inundates young boys with the message that they need to be big, strong, and powerful. So your actually younger than me by a few years. I think the difference in our experiences was due to the communities we grew up (as I said was a possibility). We had spiderman, superman, iron man, x-men, thor, captain america, the hulk...... Mostly movies of the later half the 00s and still movies that reflect a different sort of masculinity than you would have found earlier in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 07:19 AM
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Validation is part of why men seek out relationships, but I wouldn't say it is the whole reason. Companionship and access to consistent sex are certainly large parts as well. Even if I accept that AI can never provide validation, its not clear to me that this doesn't mean it won't replace relationships for a large segment of the population. Simply because if it does provide easy access to sex and companionship, I don't think that the allure of validation is sufficient to motivate men to pursue i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 08:49 AM
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Tell me specifically how any women managed to outdo the total and unceasing programming you received as a boy - from the entire world - to be big, strong and powerful. Well, because: unceasing programming you received as a boy - from the entire world - to be big, strong and powerful. Was not the programming I received as a boy. I don't know what generation you belong or where you grew up (though that you reference doom & action moves makes me think you were born in the early 80s) but this was mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 08:12 AM
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But I don't think the solution is to approach the problem by minimizing victim involvement Neither do I. I'm really not sure how all that is relevant to I wrote. I still think you aren't understanding the discussion I was having with Jammerly. My whole issue with what she wrote is that she was minimizing victim involvement by making rape contingent on how the attacker felt rather than how the victim feels. That is what I was trying to explain to you in my reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 11:58 PM
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Everyone is always trying to finesse, beg, borrow, and steal from others. No. We really aren't. You/your circumstances have just led you to be consistently surrounded by such people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 10:57 PM
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Your missing my point. You've demonstrated that the average people where you live have a satisfying sexual and romantic life. Why should this apply to the average people else where? That "average", "nothing special" women is by my opinion, stupidly attractive. I'd say easily an 8, and the behaviors of such people are not necessarily going to hold in other demographics. Just like how the average family in marin county may own their own home, doesn't mean the average family elsewhere in the USA wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 09:49 PM
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Jammerly has there been anyone person you've had a good/positive relationship with? Or is everyone you know just terrible? Because there are betas who don't do have the downsides you pointed (though you were really describing omegas), and alphas who don't have these down sides. That the conclusion you've drawn after dating enough betas and alphas to generalize about them, is that they are a bad, simply makes me think that you have poor judgement and consistently make poor choices in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 09:04 PM
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Okay, so the average men and women are more attractive where you live (college towns in spain) than elsewhere. Why should the behavior of the average people where you live also apply to people of average attractiveness else where in the world? Your argument is like saying that because the average person some area has a college degree and 6 figure job and owns their own home, so do average people in other communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:55 PM
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Likewise. This whole idea is foreign to me. I've never once got shit for being a virgin. I saw a bit of in the media growing up mostly from older movies and shows. It more or less died out in the 00s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:28 PM
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his opinions expressed in the memo that disparaged his coworkers and attacked the company he worked for. None of his opinions expressed in the memo disparaged his coworkers. He was trying to explain why its hard for google to employ women. Everything he said about women was about the women who don't work at google, not those who do. If I say that there are less green basketball players than blue basketball players, because green people are on average shorter, I'm not saying that the green people…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 10:02 PM
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Its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 07:11 PM
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Men have been treating men like shit for two millennia. While the oppression men and women have faced may have varied in kind, they did not did not escape oppression by virtue of their gender. Yes, society may not have valued the contributions of most women, but the same is true of most men. That society valued inventors or scientists or doctors or what ever means jack shit to 99.99% of men who ever lived. The men who ruled society where not looking out for their interests of their fellow men, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 07:43 AM
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TRP or Incels when they blame women? W.R.T to dating advice, don't conflate the two. TRP does not blame women for a man's lack of sexual success. TRP may some time blame women/society for the current state of the game, but places a man's responsibility to succeed on that man. It does not attempt to change the game (enjoy the decline etc...).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 02:40 AM
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Incel is actually a more legitimate insult. they, not anyone else, are calling themselves incels If they are calling themselves incel, its not an insult. My point is that I am seeing the word "incel" being used around reddit to describe people whom the speaker has no reason to know if actually is an incel. I.E as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:39 AM
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In other words, not getting laid is a sign of moral deficiency for men! When I was younger (roughly from my teens to mid 20s) this is a belief that internalized from exposure to feminist writing/media/culture. I'm not sure if they intended this, but its certainly something I took away. It really fucked with my head. I spent my early 20s depressed and convinced I was a terrible person because I so astutely believed that my romantic failure was due to moral failure. I didn't understand what more I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:10 PM
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There are literally tens if not hundreds of places where you can find the advice you just listed which I will also quote here: Yes. However I needed TRP because I didn't realize that that advice was important. Like, I understood it would help, but I didn't realize I needed it. Largely because of two things: This kind of thought. So I didn't think that I needed to improve who I was, I thought I just needed to keep looking till I found someone who liked me as I was. That romantic failure was large…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 10:35 AM
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So make that argument instead of trying to argue that women need the time to analyze their vicitimizers sincerity. If anything your just teaching men that if they apologize and say it was a mistake they can gaslight women into thinking they did nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:06 AM
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Intent plays a role in just about every interpersonal crime. It’s how judges determine appropriate sentencing. He weighs the letter of the law, the damage done to the victim, and the intent and criminal history of the defendant. So what? Just because its done with most crimes doesn't mean its correct when it comes to the correct when it comes to the crime of rape. That's what the whole Brock turner thing was about. That fact that he was a respectable white boy with good prospects who got wasted …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:05 AM
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People can be dangerous with out being a sociopath. Again, this is just rape culture at work. The suggest that if someone has the veneer of being a good person, then he is probably a good person, and good people don't rape. So his rape must have been an accident or something. If a lady experiences something that is categorically rape (let's say, drunk-beyond-consent sex), but perceives no danger in the situation because she trusts her partner... Because rape isn't black and white, in great part …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 05:18 AM
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You haven't even started. All over the thread is just you asserting that you know what he meant, not explaining how you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:50 AM
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This is a really bad post. Your post is rape culture. And I mean that in the sense that the position you have taken is one stepped in it, as all in all, defending it rests on mitigating the harm of rape as an experience. Lets consider: Car Analogy If the car analogy is true, then it suggests that intent plays a large role it determining how serious a rape is. Is this really a position you want to be defending? If anything your post suggests that if a guy rapes a woman but he "meant well" then it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:45 AM
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They wouldn't have listened anyways; it's just "last minute resistance. It always boggles my mind how people can get something so basic so wrong. Like, I'm not saying you need to agree with TRP. I'm just saying you need to understand it before you can justly disagree with it. If you think saying "stop" during sex is LMR... then you display such an ignorance of what LMR is that you should consider whether you actually understand TRP at all. LMR happens before sex and all the advice about LMR alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:16 AM
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Your friend was treating you like... a (male) friend. That is what men often do to each other. They tease and stuff with escalating levels of mockery as the friendship deepens. This is what people say when they mean that women aren't used to being treated equally, and view being treated equally as sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:05 AM
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Its not a straw man, and not just autistic people who take it literally. Consider this post here which is very much "there is someone out there for everyone". It has 45k upvotes and was gilded 7 times. Why was this so endorsed if people don't believe it to be true? Are they all just lying? Is everyone up voting autistic? Or do people actually believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 10:39 AM
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You should read the actual report. The score reported is not a measure of oppression. It is a measure of gaps along various life metrics. You can't conclude that just because a country has a smaller gap (I.e a score closer to 1), that in that country women are better off than in a country with a larger gap. For example suppose you were just considering the gender pay gap. Lets say in one country, the gap is 9%, and in another country the gap is 2%. In which country are women better off? Well you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:03 AM
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I think failed expectations is the case for all men who are rejected. If they didn't to some degree expect something to come of it, they wouldn't have asked. Either way, it’s the lashing out part that makes it “bad”/niceguysih to me. Sure, its just most other people conclude from that: Oh, he got upset after I said I wasn't interested so he was never really interested in being my friend to begin with. And stuff like that, which I disagree with. If you don't take it further I think we are in agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:30 PM
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So you aren't look for sex to validate masculinity No. That would be part of it. But paying an escort to sleep with me certainly wouldn't validate that. If anything wouldn't an inability to get laid aside from paying someone to sleep with out invalidate ones masculinity? But yes, I would prefer a relationship over casual sex. But that would be nice too. I don't doubt that escorts are probably better at sex than most casual hookups but pleasure is not what I am after.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:26 PM
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What is the difference between a bad nice guy and legitimate nice guy aside from lashing out after getting rejected and such? Because colloquial use of the word suggests things like dishonesty/duplicity/ultierior motives and stuff. If your not assuming that lashing out == bad intentions then I would say your actually in agreement with me and the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:23 PM
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It was the advanced placement classes in high school. More girls get good grades therefore there were more girls. That's more reasonable.Definitely more girls than boys but even when I in high school (graduated 08) but not that extreme. I shared tents with teenage boys and they never made a move and they were all after the same Stacy. They would fight to put up her tent and help her with water and stoves and stuff. Okay if your social group was pretty much asexual/aromantic to begin with I could…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:21 PM
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When a guy lashes out at you for politely rejecting him you can assume he had expectations you failed to meet, you can assume he's taking out his frustration on you. I would agree with all of that, however thats not sufficient to conclude he is the "bad" kind of nice guy because the "bad" kind of nice guys are more than that. OP stated: The BP view is that nice guys are actually some kind of Proto-RPers from the start and try to use niceness as a tool to get into a woman's pants. Which he called…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:07 PM
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Oh about that the men were less numerous. What kind of nerdy social group were you part of where the men were less numerous? A bunch of yaoi fans? This is still inconceivable to me. The idea that there could be a social group that consists of more women then men, that spends their time getting drunk in the woods or whatever and ends up with all the men chasing a single women? Not pairing off into tents or what ever as the party winds down???? Presumably "Stacy" hooked up. Did the remaining men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 05:46 PM
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Okay, yes. In a situation like that I could see the men only being interested in the "stacy". But classmates != friends. What you described earlier: In high school I had a group of maybe 30 female friends We made friends but the guys kept chasing after the Stacy. A social group of 60 friends does not devolve into all the men chasing a single woman. My guess is that either you weren't actually friends with these men (just because your colleagues in a degree program doesn't mean your friends), or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 05:21 PM
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Secondly, an escort does indeed want you. She wants to please you, it's her job. That is precisely the problem. I don't want someone who wants me because its their job. I want some one who wants me for who I am because that is validation of my identity. When she wants everyone who pays her, its means it has nothing to do with who I am as a person. It seems incels are more lonely than wanting sex... In some sense yes. I have platonic friends. I want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 05:11 PM
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Yeah Here is what the study considered "housework" Participants rated their housework responsibility in five core tasks (cooking meals, cleaning the kitchen, grocery shopping, house cleaning, and laundry) So yeah. No surprise women do more house work when this is all they consider "housework" and ignore you stuff like lawn work or literal housework (woodwork, pipes etc...).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:52 PM
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There's just no reason a man will go for the less attractive woman. Men have no self-awareness and will always imagine themselves with the hottest women. They only move to plainer women once the attractive ones are taken. It's very predictable, especially with nerds. This is just so contrary to my experience. I am a huge nerd. I really struggle to hold a conversation unless its about math/physics/comp sci/anime/comics/video games or w.e so a woman who is also interested in that is far more inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:40 PM
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As an Incel who was in Thailand a few months ago and didn't visit an escort the reason its simple. Fundamentally its not sex I'm interested in, but the partnership & validation. An escort doesn't want me, she wants my money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:13 PM
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My issue when you claim someone is one of the bad "nice guys" as opposed to the genuine misled "nice guy" you are IMO, claiming more knowledge of their inner state of mind than you could justifiably have access too. Often times they are the same people. Why might one expect friendship to mean they have a chance? Because they've been misled. Why might they not state their exceptions? Because they've been misled into thinking that being upfront about their sexuality is wrong. Why might one lash ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:05 PM
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If someone in your company said you were inherently worse at your job because you're a man, you wouldn't be the least bit upset? Damore didn't say this. There are two things wrong with your statement. First, he was speaking of interest, not skill. Second, even though he did says women would be less interested at working at google he clearly wasn't speaking of the women AT google because he was trying to explain abscence of women, i.e his statements were about the women who don't work at google. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:42 AM
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Even if women are more neurotic than men there's no causal relationship between that and working in tech, other than Damores delusions. Women who work at google report higher levels of anxiety, than men. Do you think the level of anxiety in a work environment places no role in a persons decision to work there?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:38 AM
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Are you joking? Lukes only talent is piloting. Look how he struggles to pull the lightsaber from the snow. After training with yoda: Look how he fails to lift the X-Wing. Look how in his first fight vs vader he gets toyed with and crippled. Rey on the other hand: She resists Kylo's mind reading. Rey uses a mind trick with no training, and not just a plausible suggestion but straight up asking a guard to release a prisoner. Rey force pulls the light saber away from Kylo. She holds her own against…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:55 AM
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3) adored by the rest of the cast. Han Solo offers her a spot on the crew after barely knowing her. Finn is willing to great lengths to save after also knowing her for the same short amount of time and is distraught when she is captured. When Leia finds out Han Solo is dead, who does she commiserate with? The girl she's never met or the life partner of her husband? Don't forget the antagonist is into her as well. I'd say #3 qualifies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:20 AM
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You are justifying her abilities. I've explained before the justification for why she is so strong doesn't make her not a mary sue. some very crude abilities. "Crude" abilities that are far more than anything we saw Luke accomplish and he at least had training. So yes, she is powerful. She straight up demonstrates mind trick on a level beyond what we saw anyone else do. There is a far difference between suggesting that these are not the droids you are looking for and controlling a guard to relea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:24 AM
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Just because shes not more of a mary sue doesn't mean she isn't one at the moment. Luke does start teaching her, but then gets scared because she is SO POWERFUL and he had only seen that kind of power once before. She is talented enough with the force to hold her own vs kylo and the guards, to mind control a storm trooper (jedi have never demonstrated straight up mind control, only suggestion). She can pull the light saber from Kylo with no training (compare to Luke pulling the light saber from …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:10 AM
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That last line was kind of in jest. But no she beats Kylo, it doesn't matter why, she just does, then she also beats some of the elite guards. Both these require exceptional talent. Even mentally distraught Kylo should wipe the floor with Rey if she wasn't talented, like how he did Finn. Your not addressing the rest of my argument which is that whether her powers are explained has nothing to do with whether she is a mary sue. As I've said multiple times she is a mary sue because of the talents s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:49 AM
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She is not a Mary Sue because her “unexplained powers” make sense. I honestly don't know if you've been reading what I've been writing. As I've said multiple times, whether her powers make sense is a separate question from whether she is a mary sue. Her powers can be justified and she can still be a mary sue. What part of that don't you understand? What makes her a mary sue (among other things) is not that her talents are not justified its that she is so talented in multiple respects at all + th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:31 AM
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I understand what a Mary Sue is. What is your argument for why she is not a mary sue? In the post I responded to you seemed to be arguing that she is not a mary sue because her talents are explained. If that is what you think, then you don't understand what a mary sue is. The fact that you don’t see Rey on the hero’s journey just like Luke is where my frustration sets in. Not only is she on the same path as him, her’s makes more sense given the background we are shown about her. Yes. I agree she…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:09 AM
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Ah. Okay. You don't understand what a Mary Sue is. A justification for her talents and powers doesn't make her not a Mary Sue. I could write a fanfic about a witch who was: Dumbledore's apprentince and so a master witch. Trained by Nicholas Flamel and so a master of alchemy, and even knows how to make the philosophers stone. Trained by Voldemort and thus a master of the dark arts. Injected with the Captain America Serum and thus physically super human. Exposed to Gamma Radiation so has hulk powe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:05 AM
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Did you even read my post? I demonstrated how Luke is not a mary sue. He has to work to earn the companionship of Leia and Han. He isn't talented with the force. Even after training he still struggles (and fails) to do stuff. He gets crippled in his first serious fight. He is reckless and immature. The only fight he wins is against some one who doesn't even want to kill him! How do the same standards/logic make Luke a Mary Sue?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:42 AM
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The new trilogy is showing what the old movies refused to see: the Jedi are hypocrites and the Skywalkers are toxic. ???? You mean like the prequel trilogy did? If you are referring to the original films there is little in them to suggest the Jedi were hypocrites or the Skywalkers toxic. The first introduction to Rey is an extended montage of how she takes care of herself, all alone. It could justify her mechanical/fighting skills and to some degree her piloting skills Why is Rey a Mary Sue but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:30 AM
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I can see how people could interpret it as anti-male, because you shouldn't need to portray men in a bad light to fight against the stereotypes of women. When its just one or two men, its okay, but when you write all the men in the film that way I can see how some might take it as a statement about men as a class.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:16 AM
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Do you know what a mary sue is? Why would Luke be one? Why would luke be a mary sue? The only exceptional talent he has is piloting. Aside from that he starts out reckless and immature. He can use the force, but he has no talent with it. Even after knowing of it for one year its a struggle just for him to pull his light saber to him in E5. While training with Yoda he can lift a few rocks and fails to lift his x-wing. In his first serious fight, he spends his time getting toyed with and then crip…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:16 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:05 AM
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He is guided by the force in that one time, and would have died had Han Solo not saved him. Main character != Mary Sue. A common definition: She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing. Does that describe Luke or Rey?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:58 AM
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IMO The movie has significant aspects that read as if they could have been written with expressly feminist intentions. That said, I wasn't in the writers room. Its possible its all a coincidence. Some aspects that stick out to me: Leadership of the good guys are all women. Leadership of the bad guys are all men. This could just be a coincidence, or it could be because the writers wanted to portray how men can be bad leaders, and women can be good ones. In the same idea, the movie is largely abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:51 AM
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Rey at least is proficient with her staff, we see her fight with it before she leaves her planet. Luke fights with a lightsaber after swinging it at a little hoverball. How is that evidence that he is a mary sue? He does about as well as you would expect for someone with no training. I.E he gets toyed with then crippled. The only fight he wins is against someone who doesn't want to kill him, and thats only after giving into his Anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:50 AM
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So was I. I'm one of those nerds. Our issue isn't that we don't know how to make friends or have fun. It's just an easy way for you to write us off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:19 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:44 AM
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They should first learn how to make friends, how to have fun with people, how to hold conversations, how to be confident and how to get out of their comfort zone. Do you know any nerds irl? What do you think happens at our social events? At anime con or a larp event? That we all just stand their silently? That we don't make new friends and have conversations and fun? What do you think it takes if not confidence to dress up in a costume you fashioned your self in front of strangers? To rp (effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:44 AM
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To me, he's the one being disloyal and duplicitous He is. That doesn't mean you get to rape him. Is she supposed to wait until he's "ready" when she's 40 and can't get pregnant? No. She is supposed to be clear about what she wants and if the man won't provide, find someone who will. At what point is he obligated to uphold the promise he made? Never. No one is obligated to provide sex they no longer consent too. If a man wants to wait, he should set a deadline and stick to it. No. Instead the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:35 AM
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Tbh I'm pretty convinced your issue is location. Not looks. I think if you were in the bay area you'd have no trouble. That is, from what I understand you've been rejected a handful of times, and I'd say your issue lies more in the "handful" than "rejected". I know you said you've only had a few people message you on r4r or OkCupid, if you changed your profile location to the Bay area you'd get far more responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 05:36 AM
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Lastly, I was too incredibly shy to approach anyone so I didn’t experience outright rejection. But so many geeky beta guys could have asked me on a date in high school/ college and I would have eagerly said yes. Your shy geeky guys were in the same position. While they may have desired Stacy, it doesn't mean they didn't desire you too. They were shy so they didn't express in you around you, and if anything, showing desire to Stacy around you was a way to gauge your interest in them. Of course if…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:03 AM
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I think those numbers don't reflect the sexual dynamics of today's younger adults, the 40 year olds in the survey did not have tinder in their 20s, the 18 year olds have not had time etc.. I expect of the urban 20s to early 30s crowd the numbers would be much higher, with more women having more partners than men, but of the people with the most partners those will mostly be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 02:45 AM
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I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to move that timeline forward a bit by going off BC and letting nature take its course. I'm not saying it's GOOD, or honest, or moral. It's certainly not ideal. I just don't think it's...that bad. That's rape bro. At least by progressive standards. The implication here is one would not tell the man, as if he knew and continued to have sex there would be no question of it's morality. Women should be clear about when they want children and if the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 05:41 AM
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I can't speak for OP but it convinced me more or less that this was a lie or at best very misleading. If I had to define what I would see as the BP view on romance, is that there is someone for everybody, as long as that some one is a good person. And also that if you are having trouble dating, its not because you aren't hot enough, its because your a bad person. That your sexist or creepy or entitled and such. The poster with 45k votes and has been gilded 7 times says: Keep looking 'til you fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 09:09 AM
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The RP opinion is that ltr/marriage is redpill on "hard mode" that is a successful marriage is far more difficult than casual relationship. That "alpha" traits are not just necessary for quantity, but for quality. If betas can't even manage casual relationships (in which case in sounds like what you are really describing are omegas) then suggesting they instead work towards marriage is a terrible idea. They won't be able to maintain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 08:27 AM
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You guys are confusing what you are arguing about. DB605 is arguing about the prevalence of promiscuity while you are arguing about the strength of promiscuity. If men are more promiscuous in the sense that there are more high N count men then women, then women are more promiscuous in that more women are having sex than men. For an extreme example you could imagine two populations of 20 people. One where every one had 4 partners and one where 4 people had 20 partners. The first group would would…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:23 PM
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That is really uncharitable reading, and if that is what you took from it I advise you go re-read it and its parent. Largely the thesis, is that for men the movement of a relationship, whether forwards or backwards is to their actions. That in our society women largely do not take on an active role in the growth of a relationship. This is not to say that women do not put work into a relationship, as you do note rather it is to say: It means that what a woman feels as the ups and downs, the myste…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:07 PM
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I wish that for once, the men who think this way and feel hurt by this would maybe take a step back and ask themselves if this expectation is in any way realistic, fair or healthy. Healthy? No. Because it is also not realistic and it is not healthy to desire that which is mostly unattainable. Fair? Yes. I wish that for once, the men who think this way and feel hurt by this would maybe take a step back and ask themselves if this expectation is in any way realistic, fair or healthy. If this is wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 06:50 AM
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It is not plainly obvious to me. Keep in mind we have to be clear on what measure we are comparing the genders. Whom do you think the long end of the tail is higher for ? That is of the people with the most number of sexual partners would more of them be men or women? I think it would be men. Do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 06:33 AM
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Men desire casual sex more than women, but it could be sufficiently more attainable for women such that women have more casual sex. While obviously the average will be near the same (homosexuality will slightly offset it) I would expect the median for women to be higher than the median for men. I would only expect this to be true of more modern generations in a western culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 06:17 AM
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Red's hate to hear it because you are completely missing the point. Of course men care about the money a woman makes to the degree that they lack the money for the lifestyle they desire. Most men are not in a position to easily support another party so the income of women is of concern in a relationship. This is true of both men and women. The Red point is that women care about money in a way that men do not. Money doesn't make a woman any more sexually attractive (for a man). If this is not obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 04:44 PM
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What don't you understand? I'm explaining how your example would actually play out on the ground. You asked what would happen to "Joe" and "Beth" I told you. Obviously not all communities work like this, but if you come to the bay area and hang out with social justice oriented underachieving twenty somethings you will see plenty that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 04:27 PM
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In a sufficiently progressive community this is how it would play out. So Beth posts a story on facebook about how Joe sexually assaulted her. Others spread the story because they believe they have a moral duty to "signal boost" the story so other women can be protected from Joe, and so other women whom Joe has assaulted know its safe to come forth. No one steps in to defend Joe because to do so would be to admit to misogyny. After all, women structurally oppressed and false accusations are so r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 04:13 PM
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I never said or implied this. I know you didn't. I'm not saying you did, I'm saying other people do. You may not conflate an unwanted advance with sexual harassment, but other people do. Dave isn't saying that Space and Weinstein are harmless, he is stating his agreement with OP. That an unwanted advance is not sexual harassment and that the people conflating the two are being ridiculous. Hence why its not correct to say Dave is being disingeous. The points you two are making, while interesting,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/17 03:56 PM
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Even if he had been successful it wouldn't be "RP". Just because a relationship is successful doesn't make it RP. In this case messaging a girl off tinder then again five months later is an indication of oneitis. He shouldn't have pursued a girl who didn't swipe him back (as her not doing so is a clear soft rejection) and he shouldn't even have remembered her five months later because other women should occupy his thoughts. And yeah it was absolutely creepy. I'm not sure I would call it BP eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:56 PM
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you can't trust them with your vulnerabilities and if they're so predictable. You can as long as its done in the right place. You have to, in somesense have built up credibility with the woman before you do so. If in the first week of dating a woman and your mother dies, yeah... you break down crying and appeal to her emotionally, most woman will less want to date you. If your married for ten years in a strong relationship and your mother dies your wife would probably consider it wrong if you di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:49 PM
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Nick Robinson (gaming journalist) was suspended from polygon for what was in my opinion flirting badly1 with people in his community. The consensus was that since has was in a position of power in that community (both fans and developers) it was inappropriate for him to flirt with other people. This, IMO is ridiculous. I don't think flirting with your fans is wrong as long its done appropriately. At a book signing for your new novel? Probably not the right place. I also don't think flirting with…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:29 PM
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Shoup88 I don't think the idea that there is at least to some degree a culture in society that considers unwanted advancements to be sexual harassment far fetched. I've seen that kind of thought around, and even more extreme1. And to some extent I agree. I think there are some cultural norms and signals that make an advance unwanted so obviously clear to that asking anyways would be sexual harassment. And yeah this is ableist but it is ableist in the same way that "one shouldn't swear in public"…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:09 PM
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Asking for a date is a light sexual advance . The escalation that happens during a date is also a sexual advance and cultural norm absolutely involves touching people with out permission. My guess, is if there is any disagreement here its in the definitions involved and not the actual behaviors going on. When our heads drift close and the girl looks me in the eyes while licking her lips and touching in me my arms, I consider that a sign that she is okay with me kissing her. But I don't consider …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:42 PM
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and then they reject you, and you no longer wanted to be friends, it's the equivalent of saying "your only worth to me is sexually. Your personality is shit and if I can't fuck you, it's not worth putting up with". Nonsense, what is says is if I can't have a romantic relationship with then my time with you is more valued elsewhere. This does not mean your personality is shit or your only worth to me is sexually, because romance is about more than just sex, and there are other reasons why I am no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 03:17 PM
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The idea that there’s this slew of women everywhere who can’t lock a man down until they are late 20s-30s Uh what? You don't understand trp if you think this is what they are saying. Why would a woman getting older enable her to get a man to commit? Women are most attractive in their youth. That is when they are most capable of getting a man to commit. What TRP says is not that that they can't, its that they don't, because they choose not too. NYC or something ala sex and the city? Yes. For exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 03:00 PM
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Do I just try to kill it in some career as much as possible, establish myself, and marry way later on in life? Just try to build my wealth/SMV, wait things out, lurk in the shadows, and bide my time That's a bad idea. You should be as proactive as possible. Yes, later on in life you will have more SMV than you do now, but you won't also have the experience you currently lack, unless you start now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 03:51 PM
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No. Women rightly believe that you are a creep and honestly actually are dangerous to them because once you finally realize that the object of your affection, who is actually a real human being, isn't perfect, you will freak the fuck out. Nope. Women are creeped out by nice guys because nice guys are not upfront about their sexuality. Creepiness is due to uncertainty about a persons intentions. If women honestly believed that nice guys were dangerous to them then they wouldn't be creeped out. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 11:50 AM
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Yeah, no. You want to know what "Controlling women's sexuality looks like?" The incels who demand that the government should buy them prostitutes or that women should be legal to rape and stuff like that. That isn't TRP. TRP is about acknowledging that you can't control women's sexuality. Instead you have to change your self to be desirable with women. As trp says, you can't negotiate attraction. These guys come over here thinking they can spend their 20s as pencil necked pointdexters hitting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 11:02 AM
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Only a tiny elite of men are able to spin HIGH-QUALITY plates. To say otherwise is a TRP fantasy. Does TRP say otherwise? I think if you want to people to "CYV" you first need to justify your claim that that otherwise is a fantasy TRP holds. My understanding of the "eunuchs of red pill post" is that it just says until you live a very high status sexual lifestyle you will never understand the true nature of women. Forgetting for a second whether that is true or false, it doesn't seem to be making…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:15 PM
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When TRP says "blue pill" do they mean liberal? No. Would you rate TRP overall as more conservative than liberal, at least when it comes to gender roles? Yes. When TRP talks about the "blue pill" way of thinking, or "blue pill people" does it seem like they're mainly referring to liberals, SJWs, leftists? No. Its not a reference to liberals. The BP/TRP stance is small enough set of opinions that it shouldn't force anyone into one political alignment or another. Its just in our current culture th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 08:32 PM
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Uhg. You are so disingenuous. You have no response to my argument (If I was wrong you would be able to show so). So instead you rant about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 10:20 AM
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i don’t agree that all of those things point to her being fake. Individually? No. But together? Almost certainly. lots of people use all those sites for self promotion. Yes they do, that is not what makes it suspicious. I don't know how much you know about Chinese internet culture but they have a huge social media scene that is not facebook/twitter/reddit etc... Like, Weibo has more users than twitter. Its very strange that a 23 year gold woman who is part of a tech community in the west had no …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 02:19 PM
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I actually think the theory is correct. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that I can't find any history of her on chinese social media. For a 23 year maker girl from Shenzhen I would expect at least some posts in the chinese maker community. I can't find any. In fact, I can't find any history of her in western communities either. Instead she popped up fully formed slightly over a year go on western social media, reddit,pastebin, youtube, imgur, instagram, twitter... This all points to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 11:11 AM
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Dakru gave you a very good explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6xlwy8/wtf_does_alphabeta_even_mean/ What more are you confused about? I honestly don't understand you keep asking questions you should already know the answer too. They both claimed that it's literally impossible to be alpha if you are married. I don't believe this and if anything would guess that its you not understanding what they wrote, since that seems to be consistent behavior on your part. Got …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 10:36 AM
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If it brings you happiness I think this is sort of the end-state of TRP. Neophytes join because they want to improve themselves for women, but the ideal state is one you want to improve themselves for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 09:23 AM
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While I don't disagree that sexual attractiveness is positional. I disagree with conclusions you draw from it. You need to define what you mean by "inherently good". Ethics is really messy and complicated and this phrase is doing a lot of heavy lifting, and what you mean by "better person". What things are inherently good? What is a "better" person and what makes one better? All I am going to say is that a lot of the things you describe would make my life happier even if everyone else was doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 08:48 AM
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http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/iq-by-college-major-gender.png You can see engineer and comp sci are up high. I'm too lazy to find stats on the IQ of doctors/investment people, but its well known that high iq undergrads (physics,math etc...) get better mcat scores and investment bankers are largely mbas from top tier schools and so will also have a high iq. multiple studies show rich people have a super high chance of becoming richer or staying rich. Sure, but I'd argue that those …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:28 PM
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I agree jobs was an ass towards Woz, but I still think all evidence points to him being high IQ. Testing as a 10th grader when in 4th grade would put him pretty high up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:21 PM
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First of all, IQ alone does not at all guarantee survival or success in the modern world. Nothing alone guarantees success in the modern world, so that is not a strike against IQ. A lot of the highest earning potential jobs, Doctors, Investment Bankers, Software Engineers, etc. do not correlate with pure IQ. What do you mean "with pure IQ"? Only with IQ? Of course not. But such professions absolutely have a very strong correlation with IQ and high IQ people will be disproportionally represented …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 09:08 AM
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SMV is not about a person's value in a relationship. Just how sexually attractive they are. Intelligence is not itself sexually attractive, but can be used in a manner that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 08:52 AM
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I'm not making any other argument other than that your claim: the majority of men (at least men who went to college) have some casual sex is not supported by the studies you cite. Whether I concede that some other hypothesis is true or false has nothing to do with the fact that your claim is not supported by the studies you cite. And no, I don't doubt that most women don't have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 04:44 PM
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Your studies don't support your claim that: the majority of men (at least men who went to college) have some casual sex If you actually read the study it says this: This study investigated 832 college students’ experiences with hooking up, a term that refers to a range of physically intimate behavior (e.g., passionate kissing, oral sex, and intercourse) that occurs outside of a committed relationship. and it did not ask or distinguish between specific behaviors (e.g., kissing versus intercourse)…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 03:11 PM
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Its not wrong, it just leaves out that some demographics are smaller than others and if your only attractive to a very small group of people your probably going to have less success than if you were conventionally attractive. That's why Keep looking 'til you find someone who appreciates you for who you are. Is bad advice for the cases were the are few people who will appreciate you as you are, and its important to improve your self in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 05:46 AM
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Honestly what confused me the most is I don't understand why some of these women continue seeing guys who harass or assault them. Like if you look at the story about Sam Kriss, the author says that one the first two times he sent up all sorts of red flags. Yet she went out with him because she felt bad about wasting tickets. She also says that she had difficulty leaving the situation because she was afraid there might be repercussions since Kriss had power in the community. But she knew that bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 10:57 AM
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Absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:04 PM
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That is a really poor judge of whether an idea is "great". Historically lots of things that we consider to be great today would have be unpalatable in the past. Stuff like interacial marriage being okay, or the idea that a woman could transition to (or was always truly) a man. How fortuitous is it that today, in the modern era do we finally have a society where only bad ideas are unpalatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 04:20 PM
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The people who didn't take him seriously were the cops who his parents called on him. If you want to complain about people not taking him seriously, look to law enforcement. He was one person who wasn't even around when the subreddit was created. Even if we count him as part of the group, its still not representative of them as a whole, to put in perspective a random white man is just barely more likely to be a murder than an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 04:09 PM
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I mean, its funny. You clearly don't actually believe they are legitimately dangerous or else you wouldn't avoid making that argument. So its just because they disgust you (which is fine, they are). That said, I'd almost call you a bigot since your calls for their banning are rooted in disgust, rather than like a moral good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 07:14 AM
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You never fail to impress with your inability to support your arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:47 AM
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Could you elaborate on how they are dangerous? While they talk about violence I think its a very strong claim that this makes them sufficiently more likely to harm people that its worth shutting down the subreddit and denying them any value that found in it. And yes, I understand that they found value in rhetoric that would disgust other people, but reading it is purely voluntary. While they likely won't change, disbanding (most) of them is going to be useful in preventing even more men from fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:44 AM
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Do you think they are actually going to do it? If not then why does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:42 AM
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Nope. That would be oneitis. Leave her = leave her. If shes a complete cunt why spend time with her anyways? I don't know where you are reading up on trp but you are badly misinformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:09 AM
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Yes on all points.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 04:06 PM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. Its not that I didn't understand what was attractive. Its that it had been so impressed upon me that my sexuality was very likely to also be wrong/evil/creepy. This made it very difficult for me to express my self sexually. And yes, I did have peers that got laid. However I didn't understand how they could navigate, as what I saw as a very thin line between being a positive social interaction and a harmful one. And I sure as hell wasn't going to ask them that because I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 02:39 PM
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I guess were curious as to how all that could miss you. It had nothing to do with over parenting. If anything I would expect a more common factor would be single motherhood. Largely the feminist culture I was raised in convinced me that almost any sort of romantic interaction was likely to be harmful to women if I got it wrong. Not wanting to harm women and unable to be confidant that I wouldn't hurt someone I saw it as right to just not do so. since there are so many STEM majors and self-descri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 05:13 AM
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Are you a troll? They think, "OK, she's being a complete cunt, and it's my job to win her over by showing that I am a strong manly man No. According to TRP if shes being a complete cunt you leave her because you have other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 04:57 AM
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I think there is a bit of truth in the idea that if women desire powerful men, then men have an added motivation to be powerful that women do not, so more men will be in power. If that is a patriarchy, how do you get rid of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 04:51 AM
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And I mean actual examples Sure, here's one: https://captainawkward.com/2014/08/26/617-all-the-dating-advice-again/ And why would a man look for dating advice in feminism and not in men's magazines or books for men? Because I believed that feminists were the moral authority on how to interact with women and men's magazines and the like were sexist and following their advice would harm people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 08:58 AM
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You can have coordinated behavior rising through individual incentives with out any of the participants sitting down and explicitly working together. Quite often the individual parties may not intend to harm anyone, but their combined effort does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 08:06 AM
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that not only is their lack of success not really their fault (it's all biologically ordained!) Why do you think this? That is an incel's perspective. TRP is about changing your self so you get success. If it wasn't your fault how could changing your self work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 07:45 AM
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Your describing incel/blackpill. Not TRP. You don't understand RP and I'm not even sure where you got the impression that this is what RP is about. Then go on dates with them. But you should prob treat them like an actual human being instead of a vagina and boobs with legs. Women to like to be treated like they are actually a real human. TRP absolutely agrees with this. Now TRP certainly says that if you want to get laid, then don't treat them like men, but it still agrees that forming an emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/17 05:02 AM
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If you had an actual argument you wouldn't need to resort to insults. Maybe you consider working to understand TRP before you start writing arguments against it. Because: TRP claims that a woman's attraction only comes from her looks and that her personality doesn't matter. The only reason they think this is because for them they only care about how a girl looks. So long as she's thin they'll go be her boyfriend Is not anything TRP would claim. If your dating someone looks are far from the only …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 03:33 AM
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You continually demonstrate (as other posters here have already addressed) that you don't understand TRP. The more casual the relationship, the more physical attractiveness matters, of course when your talking about a LTR personality is far more important. TRP never said otherwise. I.e in terms of SMV it doesn't matter whether a woman likes dogs or camping. Yet you say: whether or not they like dogs and camping, and all kinds of other things. So it isn't true that only looks factor in to a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 02:53 AM
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I’ve got to say I am doubting the initial study, big time. here is the study. While the study was written in 1989, the data was collected in 1978 and 1982. It is closer to the 1960s than today. So even if true, I'm not sure how representative it would be of today. I also agree that a 50% success is surprising because I would expect a significant portion of people to already be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 03:25 AM
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straight A's, scored over 750 on the math SAT, and then went on to college to major in a non-STEM area Yep. Test scores for girls are more strongly correlated than for boys. If a girl has a high math score she is more likely than a boy to also have a high verbal score. End result is girls are more likely to have more options to pursue than boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 10:21 AM
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Overall they outperform boys, although in STEM subjects I think it's closer. This is an important point that is often missed. The top tier of girls consistently very good verbal & math scores. However the top tier of boys are less likely to have good verbal scores to go along with their math scores. So for for the top boys entering college stem is the only career path they can see themselves excelling that, while for the top women, they can choose say, stem or law which naturally dilutes the num…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 10:16 AM
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Sexism exists but sufficient sexism doesn't exist to explain the discrepancy in gender participation between computer science and other fields. In the 1900s we saw women enter into to many fields (law, doctors, biology etc...) that historically had great prejudice towards women, but in others (physics, computer science, mathematics...) less. If you want to claim that sexism is responsible for this, you have to explain this. What about these fields are different such that sexism held women back, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 10:07 AM
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Being one in this situation, and knowing others in it here are my thoughts. There are pretty much two types of people in this situation. The first are held back by anxiety over romance. They are simply alone because just don't ask people out. The second have asked a lot of people to no success. Like you look at posts like this or this or this That is the pattern I see. The first need to develop a healthy understanding that their anxiety is (probably) wrong and that they should care less. The sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:47 AM
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I would buy this if I saw similar logic expressed else where. However when they don't its hard to believe that they are being sincere or intellectually honest. What you are describing is gender policing. However you don't see similar issues portrayed as a "toxic X-ness". Like, when women gender police themselves no one calls it toxic femininity. When black people culturally police their peers (ex: accusations acting white) no one calls that toxic blackness. When a pejorative term is thrown out a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:17 AM
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I used to think that I was just weird like this and it was just me, but in the past few years, I've encountered others who had similar experiences. The big one being Scott Aaronson's comment "171" but also a few others on reddit as well as some women. That said, I don't think every person who has anxiety over romance & women does so for the same reasons. How is it y’all internalize this apparent “feminist messaging” more than me, a young woman growing up in the 90s? My first guess, would be, unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:10 AM
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you really think women are generally going to think that? I can speak to some of what angel says but yeah, I did. Though I was less worried about being called creepy than creeping women out. Why did I think this? Because I got so, so many messages from the feminist culture I grew up in that I needed to take great care with how I interact with women due to the patriarchal society we lived in and my inherent oppressive nature as a man. Why did I think this? Because the emphasis feminist writers ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 12:40 AM
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Depends on the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 11:13 PM
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Those who buy into the ideology trp disagrees with. Feminist aligned places. Two places that exemplify what I am talking about would be dr nerdlove or captain awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 11:10 PM
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Why is manipulation inherently wrong? Can you define what you mean by manipulation? Do you mean like, getting some one to act in a manner that isn't in their own self interest? Then yes, that is wrong. But then whether the techniques trp suggests are wrong depends on the context of the situation. To presume that they always constitute manipulation, would be puritanical misogyny, to think that it is can never be in a woman's interest to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 01:21 AM
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As a socially awkward on the spectrum guy, when I went to "blue" places for help with dating that was largely my experience. Of course they didn't literally say I should go die in a fire, but that I should largely not bother with women? Yea. Either in the form of telling me that the correct behavior was to hold my self to very high standards that made interacting with women impractical, or even just literally that. Like, I was once told that if I didn't know how to flirt, then I just shouldn't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 01:08 AM
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Of course men had it better, and had more freedom than women. That is not the same as arguing that men aren't often oppressed by virtue of their gender, which was your original point: I'm not saying it doesn't happen at all but generally men oppressed for being men isn't a common occurrence. If it affects women but not men then it's a gender issue Ah, okay. I misunderstood you. When you said: For example, when I've debated with many people on PPD about the fact that women were oppressed in the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 12:42 AM
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Sure. I'll grant that But even if we accept that, I still think that arguing that oppression men face is by virtue of their class, not their gender, because if they were of a higher class, they wouldn't face it, also invalidates (as being due to their gender) many forms of oppression people agree women face due to their gender. If your going to argue that for men, then the logical consequence would require you to hold it for women. Like, most would argue that if a state made abortion illegal, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 10:44 PM
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All rulers are pressured to marry. If a queen is being judged by for her sexual history it just means she is not powerful enough to intimidate her critics to do otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 10:29 PM
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How so? Its straight forward and lower risk/more accessible than trying to start your own business or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:35 AM
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You clearly don't understand TRP. repeatedly blame women for their own failures. Nonesense. TRP is clear that if you can't get laid, then you are to blame. Not women. Where do they say otherwise? Seriously, give me some examples of how TRP blames women for their failures. Being a fun person to be around, actually talking to and listening and understanding women, and actually caring about them. Yes guess what TRP is utterly wrong here. Okay, so then if "TRP is utterly wrong here" then give some e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:32 AM
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Yes, because its a text book ad hominem. Doing research on incest or the views of people who partook in incest does not in anyway invalidate his relationship with the mens right or feminist movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:51 AM
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Sufficient power can overcome forms of oppression one would face otherwise. Like, if you say that men are oppressed not for being men, but for being poor, because if they were rich, they would avoid it, how is not the same true for women? What forms of oppression do women (in modern times or middle ages) face that can't be avoided simply by being powerful enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:38 AM
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No, but they're way over represented in the population of men attempting a cold approach. What? A cold approach isn't nice guy behavior. The whole nice guy thing is where a guy is friends with a girl then eventually confess he likes her then gets made when she doesn't reciprocate. How is that a cold approach? A cold approach is with a stranger. Nice guys by definition aren't dealing with strangers. Yes, he makes it personal. How is it not personal? When the guy is rejected hes getting told that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 04:27 PM
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I agree. I would attribute this towards men as a group having few (really) close friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 02:14 AM
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There is socialization behind everything. So yes, I do think socialization is part of it. I also think biology is part of it. I also don't think most of the socialization behind the gender disparity takes the form of say, getting told that "computers are for boys". But lots of little stuff compounding such that fewer girls don't develop the interest that other boys have by the time they are in college. if we were to extend offers to women and train them up to speed, they would be able to perform…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 02:10 AM
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We don't hire them because of their gender. We hire them because we think they will bring value to our company. Its just, for women, a lack of programming experience isn't a problem as long as we think they are intelligent and capable enough to get up to speed. For men, well, would we bother with such men when there are plenty of other men who are just as qualified and already know how to program? Now of course, I agree that this is sexist and discriminatory. But management doesn't see it that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 08:41 PM
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I can't tell you how many times I was told to man up and that boys don't cry. 90s Kid. Never experienced this. Where/when did you grow up? I grew up in the metropolitan east coast. The only place I saw that kind of stuff was like movies from the 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:36 PM
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alleged social phenomena with some harder statistics that look at something bigger is rather suspect. I agree. I'm also hesitant to believe its "video games". Another hypothesis I've seen for the drop in enrollement of women starting in the 80s, is that there was a huge shortage of of computer science professors. As a result, universities only started accepting the very best students (because they didn't have enough professors to teach the rest) and most of these were men. Of course, that only p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:29 PM
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The reason why there's so few women is because as a woman, you are working against a bias and need to prove yourself. As a man, you don't have to work against a bias, if you can just demonstrate some basic ability, you will be accepted most likely. Not in my experience. The company I work for has literally hired women with no programming experience for software dev jobs (as long as we think they are smart enough to pick it up, generally we look for some other form of stem degree). That's how des…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 07:19 PM
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Link to the actual study. Interestingly though the news articles on the study report less rape in the intervention schools, I can't find anything in the study to support that. What the study mainly says is that boys in the intervention group were more likely to both observe, and intervene with gender based violence. That seems reasonable. If there were indeed less rapes I would attribute not to more boys knowing rape was wrong, but to more boys being willing to intervene when a girl was being ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 11:19 AM
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I think actually finding statistics regarding this is difficult. Does the fact that that Y% of men who contest custody, get it, prove that the courts are not biased towards men, if y > 50? No. Why? Because there is a literal cost to contesting custody. You could be in a situation where the courts were really biased against men, so that only men who bothered contesting custody were ones who had a really strong argument. Then you would end up with men who contested custody getting it, but only bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 09:30 AM
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If I understand you correctly, your part largely seems to be "The gender disparity in a interest is due to how society as a whole genders that interest". That I would, to some degree, agree with. What I disagree with is that the gender disparity in tech is due to sexist behaviors/interactions by the participants of people in tech. My points 1-5 are largely about refuting that. Going back to your point: we've come to see these jobs as more "feminine" and as a consequence, men are less likely to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:27 PM
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I went to an tech/engineering school; I'm a woman. Did you stay in the field? Where did you end up?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 01:13 PM
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It kinda kills the gender demographics are due to sexism hypothesis since 70% of stem students in Iran are women. And Iran, is presumably a more sexist country than western ones like the US or Sweden where the numbers are worse. So if you want to claim that sexism is keeping women out of stem, you have to explain Iran. Of course, this hypothesis can be flipped around. Its because Iran is so sexist, that so many of its women are in stem. When your society is very sexist, its important to take eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 01:10 PM
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where do you draw the line for what music is or isnt? By this logic hair, rocks etc... are still social constructs. All categories are fuzzy, some are just less fuzzy than others. like, we don't consider whales to be fish, but other cultures did. Even though time would be flowing without us humans existing it is a social construct because the way we decide what time it is has been decided by us humans. There are cultural differences in how the concept of time is socially constructed. Everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:35 AM
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The closest I've come to "Bro" culture in the tech community was a group of guys I met who were really into partying and drinking, except the parties consisted of getting drunk while playing board games. Pretty fun TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 05:07 AM
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Its good example of how BP thought pedestals women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:02 AM
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That's the least credible study ever Tell me about it. I'm really skeptical, they say: In addition, when performing poorly, players increased the number of positive and neutral statements With my years of gaming this isn't my experience at all. Players who perform poorly tend to rage and blame their teammates. Not be more likely to be positive. I wouldn't be surprised if much the "positive" comments were sarcasm that was missed out on since the comments were transcribed. Finally their conclusion…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:56 AM
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If you read his post he actually didn't say anything bad about his co-workers. His point about hiring practices, was not that they were bad, but that they were discriminatory. Some have accused him of saying that their hiring practices lowered the bar for women/minorities. Which I can understand since he didn't make his point very clear, and that is a common accusation towards diversity actions. Rather, what he was saying was that women/minorities go through a more intensive hiring practice, one…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:17 AM
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I completely disagree. "Be your self" is terrible advice, unless your self is already actualized. "Know your self" is great advice, because you can't fix until you know what is broken. This is something feminism has been trying to teach us for decades now. It's part of toxic masculinity. Do you want to know what made me know my self? Not feminism. Feminism completely fucked me up. Toxic masculinity the like convinced me that the I really, really needed to focus on being a moral person. That para…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 04:53 AM
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He shouldn't have put his own company on blast for their policies publically As a note, he didn't. He posted in an internal message board. Others leaked it. If the issue is putting the company publically on blast, then those who leaked it to the press should be held responsible. Not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 04:41 AM
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Biological determinism is bullshit. I think you'd be surprised. Have you looked into twin studies? Identical twins raised apart are very similar across most metrics. Not just physical ones, but things like income, or political ideology. And they are no less correlated than identical twins raised together. Similarly, non-related pairs of people (like an adopted sibling) raised together are no more similar than random pairs of strangers. For a quick idea see this Like, consider BMI, we often think…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:55 AM
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Because the people behind such studies are biased scientists who dismiss rather than study the effect of social class on names. Sure, of course "Emily" is going to do better than "Lakisha", but if you don't also compare "Emily" to "Krystal" and you can't claim its purely because of race. It could also be of social class. Also the republican/democrat bias in resumes is stronger than the racial one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 08:12 AM
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Of course looks are important. Whats not important is whining about things you can't change. If your a 5"2 with an ugly face, you just have to improve elsewhere. Not write long screens about how that justifies you giving up entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:40 AM
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No, the ability to have a selection to choose from still doesn't entail being able to have any guy they want, because not every guy is necessarily a choice. Women get free sex all the time and never work for it. Of course. If they had to work for it, it wouldn't be "free". But that still doesn't mean they can have any guy they want with no effort. Not all women want famous actors or even famous people. I didn't say they did. I'm just pointing out that if someone believes that women can have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:41 AM
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First of all, you didn't read the comments enough then. Nope. None of those are saying that a woman can get any guy they want with no effort. Its saying they can get a guy to have sex with them with no effort. Not any guy they want. If people though women could get any guy they wanted with no effort that would entail that a woman could say, get some famous actor or whatever with no effort. That is obviously not true, so obviously no one believes what you claim they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:58 AM
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TRP, at its core, is designed to appeal to romantically and sexually unsuccessful young men. Could you elaborate? I don't see this. Why would "your sexually unsuccessful because your not physically or mentally attractive and if you want to get laid your going to need to work to improve lots" be appealing to such men? When I think "designed to appeal to romantically and sexually unsuccessful young men." I think of stuff like anime where the protagonist is just super special with no work at all, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:44 AM
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Q4W: Most men here think women can get any guy they want with no effort, women, what are your views on this? /u/soccerstar77 This is a complete straw man. No one here thinks women can get any guy they want with no effort. No one in the thread you link is saying that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:19 AM
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They also refuse to better themselves in any way, instead asserting that they DESERVE it. WTF are you smoking? The whole point of TRP is to better your self. To hit the gym and such. No one on /trp ever claimed to deserve women just because Chad gets it. The whole point of trp is to put in the work to develop those characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 02:33 PM
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They are mocking fragile definitions of masculinity in order to free menus from that pressure. Most of the discourse around fragile masculinity is not like the examples you gave. Just google "fragile masculinity" and you will see what it is. They aren't laughing at fragile masculinity, they are laughing at masculinity for being fragile. There's a difference. I'm just going to quote princess bubblegum since she says it really well: While I agree with the concept, the presentation comes about as "…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 11:09 PM
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Sure, they say that, but their preferences are revealed by their behavior. If they honestly believed what they said then the dialogue around say, fragile masculinity would be completely different. It would be less one of mockery, and more one of sadness and empathy. I don't disagree that feminists have lots of kind words for men, but for few feminists does that seem to translate into kind actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 02:18 AM
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So first of all the gender disparity is not actually that bad, its just that the white girl with the degree in journalism is not particularly interested in dating the black plumber in the bronx. However for the middle/upper middle class I think it comes down to the jobs. NYC is Finance/Fashion/Publication. Of those, Finance is mostly men, but its also the far most competitive one. Fashion & publishing/journalism is more women, and more jobs. Also young women are more educated than young men in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 01:45 AM
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More women than men, especially tilted in the higher income millennial social class (think white collar jobs) and for the most part people want to date within their social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:18 AM
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Incredible that they even get more mentoring for having a male name. No. They don't actually. There were no real participants. Everything in the study was purely hypothetical and this was known to the people in the study. When you look at actual data regarding the preference of real women vs real men, women are vastly preferred in stem. One hypothesis that could explain this is that the people in the study answered the questions as to how they believed the stem community would in general, and si…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 07:47 PM
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A common concern among RPers regarding trans-people, trans-women in particular, is that they are out to trick men into having sex in them. Is this even a thing? I've been reading trp for years and I have never once seen anyone express any concern over trans-women trying to "trick" men. I mean, trp is certainly transphobic, but this is something I've never heard of from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 09:11 AM
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I don't think you truly understood what i wrote and just pattern matched it to what you thought it was. What you describe is about how other people treated you. That is not analogous to what my experience was, nor was I attempting to say it was. Nothing in my post was about how other people treated me. It was about how I treated my self based on the messages I received from society. Not how the rest of society treated me. The experiences you described suck, and I can see how you would disagree i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 08:34 AM
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~Same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 07:11 AM
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None of these things are socially threatening if you're not guilty of 'em. I'm not sure what you mean by "socially threatening" but they still hurt, and they messed me up socially. The dialogue around sex/dating I heard from feminists really fucked me up as a kid/teen/early adult (I'm in my late 20s now and am doing better). Basically I thought that any romantic/sexual forwardness on my part was likely to cause serious harm, that an unwanted or unfulfilling interaction was something tantamount t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 07:10 AM
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That seems more white-nationalist than NRX or Fascist. Though yeah, white nationalists are often fascist too. From what I've read of NRX they honestly don't seem to concerned with Islam. The real problem is democracy/liberalism. Like if you have a shoddy bridge it doesn't matter whether you drive a truck or a train over it, the problem is the bridge is broken. Its not "Islam is bad because its going to destroy western society" its "Islam is going to destroy modern society because (modern) wester…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 11:05 PM
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Or maybe it wasn't NRX propaganda but fascist propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:55 PM
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If they are neoreactionary then they wouldn't see fascism as an alternative because fascism is terrible according to NRX.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:16 PM
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You haven't made such an argument. How can NRX thought lead to fascism? NRX explicitly says fascism is wrong. The only argument I've seen you make is that NRX is crypto-nrx. Your support for this argument is that right wing terpers say that fascism is red pill. But that would make TRP Not nrx. Your other argument is that both NRX and TRP believe some of the same things about the downfall of society, but that doesn't make the same any more than the fact that both socialist democrats and hardcore …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:01 PM
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I'm not claiming they do. I'm just pointing out how showing that just because two veins of thought value a patriarchy, that does not mean they are the same, and thus demonstrating that TRP values a patriarchy is not sufficient to claim they are NRX.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:45 PM
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Obviously you have to cut off at somewhere, but where you choose still matters for the picture you give. The universal basic income/effective altruist/open border parts of those communities and to tar them as entirely NRX is wrong. Are there techno-futurists who like NRX? Certainly, but the techno futurist community as whole is not NRX.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:18 PM
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NRX says that fascism is already poisoned since from their perspective it is fundamentally a democratic phenomena and thus innately flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:17 PM
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Because NRX is more than just "civilization is collapsing because the patriarchy is getting undermined". From the NRX perspective the fundamental issue is that democracy is wrong. A patriarchal democracy might satisfy old white republicans, but to an NRX it wouldn't be a solution at all. While both regular conservatives and NRX would agree that we need a strong patriarchy, this doesn't make them the same. Your argument is like pointing to sweden and saying "look at all this communist propganda" …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:12 PM
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Not an NRX (I am very, very left wing), but I have a decent understanding of NRX since I actually took the time to read some of it and see what all the commotion was about. Anyways you are wrong. Can you deny that TRP is crypto-neoreactionary? You claim that TRP is crypto-nrx. At the same time you argue that it is fascist. Those are incompatible claims. NRX explicitly condemns fascism as being sort of poisoned to begin with since from the NRX perspective fascim arises from democracy. It is these…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:02 PM
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That chart seems kind of biased in that it only includes the right leaning communities and doesn't show their left wing connections which gives a distorted picture of their political alignment. I can only speak to the techno-commercialist/futurist, but I would expect it wouldn't be so different elsewhere. The techno-commercailist/futurist set should have connections the effective altruist movement, itself not very reactionary, and also connects to the open borders movement, and open borders is f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 07:46 PM
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Its good advice, but its difficult for me to follow through with it. It is hard for me to imagine that an average guy can't get a girlfriend this way. Part of what tripped me up as a young adult is I saw all sorts of things I could do to pursue romance, but doing those things were considered wrong. I had a lot of anxiety around wanting to be a good person, so I would refrain from doing things people were told me were wrong. Take your example of joining a dance class. If you look at what people s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 12:55 AM
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Commenting on anyone's appearance when it not solicited and off topic is rude, inappropriate, and a sign of poor social skills. This doesn't really seem accurate. I far more often see unsolicited comments on people's appearance, than of solicited ones, someone literally asking for an opinion. And in most circumstances no one has a problem with them. I don't think whether a comment is solicited or not has little bearing on whether it is appropriate. Rather its the context, who, why and where. A s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/17 07:45 PM
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While I don't think there is sufficient information in this survey to doxx anyone, people tend to underestimate the amount of information necessary to ID someone. There are ~320 million people in the us, which means if you ask the right yes/no questions you only need ~28 questions to get that down to a single person. The survey already has country, age, gender, ethnicity. If you know those for me you can knock down the set of possible people from ~320 million to a few million with 3 questions. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 07:58 PM
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I'm sure there are MRA's who are terpers, but that doesn't meant that TRP enages in political action. TRP isn't interested in political action, instead it is very much "enjoy the decline". If you want to argue other wise please show me some evidence of TRP attempting to organize some sort of political action. As far as I know there isn't any. That said, I certainly didn't say they were stoic. There is a lot of bitching about the current state of politics and gender relations and such, but having…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 05:49 PM
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Lol no. Identifying things that might might make attaining your goal difficult is not the same as making an excuse for not attaining your goal. While TRP may say that life would be better for men with out those things, it doesn't make any attempt to dismantle them. Rather it says, "This is the way it is, deal with it". TRP is not an excuse factory. Saying something is hard, is not the same as providing an excuse for doing it. That is actually a very BP mindset, and very much not the RP one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 09:10 PM
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Yeah but most villains are white men for example so does this mean you can claim that society has a negative view of white men based on that? If I tell you that fifty apples in my bag are red, does that mean most of the apples in my bag are red? No. I have to tell you how many green apples I have too. If most white men were villains, then yeah, I would say society had a negative view of white men. But thats not the case. I don't think you can glean much about what the societal view of certain gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 05:05 PM
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Sorry. I just thought that was so clear it didn't need mention. Its portrayals that reflect in a positive light. Obviously if say, all Jewish representation in media is that of miserly bankers ruining the world, that society doesn't think very well of Jews. "XYZ is represented in fiction" and "XYZ is accepted by society." $$$. Consider the roles people like Denzel Washington or Will Smith play. Do you think they could have banked similar roles in the 1940s or 1950s? You could only have african a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 04:52 PM
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That has nothing to do with my post. My point is that you if you examine fish out of water action stories with male protagonists they don't lack the agency that Diana does. So you can't excuse her behavior by saying "fish out of water". If you do you have to explain why male characters don't behave similary. So why do we tolerate it? Because it is what we expect of woman's role in society. This is a woman who left alone This is a god (or nearly so) amongst mortals. She has nothing to a person wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 04:47 PM
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She's a flawed being, yes, but I don't think that makes her anti-feminist. Taking action and ultimately failing, or realizing that the world is more complicated than you had thought, is not anti-feminist. Ah, shoot. I was really trying to avoid this. This wasn't what I was trying to say at all. Of course women can be flawed and feminist. Which is what I meant by: That is not to say she needed to be successful to be feminist. The mediocrity alone isn't what makes her anti-feminist. Its that we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 12:48 AM
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Why does it need to be on TV? It doesn't have to be on TV. Just media in general. Do people of a given descent not believe they can do anything for which they are qualified without seeing proof of it in fiction? No! Thats the explicit point I'm arguing against. If you read MLK's quote, he literally says the exact opposite. That black people already qualified in real life, and prescence in fiction means that society is starting to acknowledge it. The argument for representation is not "We need re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 09:01 PM
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Who cares why she did them before and won't do them now? Because despite what you might think, men aren't paragons of stocism. We care what other people think about us and how they treat us is reflective of that. This goes not just for sex but for nearly everything. If my boyfriend say, won't introduce me to his parents and keeps making excuses to avoid them, when I know he was quick to do so for his past partners I am going to be concerned. Does he think we aren't serious? Is he ashamed cause h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 08:02 PM
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I agree with you that WW as a film is "feminist" in the sense of increased work/representation for women. I also agree that WW the character is not feminist. But I would also go further to say that she is anti-feminist. Why? Because she sells a form of empowerment that isn't at all threatening to/liberation from the system, but instead compliance. Once she leaves the island she becomes subordinate to Trevor (fish out of water doesn't excuse this, you don't see male protagonists behaving like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 07:31 PM
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is that it says if Wonder Woman exists everyone can be her. Who says this? If something is so obviously wrong to to you, maybe consider that you don't actually understand what they are arguing. After all, if it was so obviously wrong then why would they believe. And no, when people talk about representation they aren't saying you can be a rocket scientist by virtue of sharing skin color or gender with the character. Its that when society accepts the fictional identity rocket scientist, its sugge…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:53 PM
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I think the point you raise about identification is a common one, and one I don't think most feminists do a good job of explaining. I mean, I would say the same. I don't identify with fictional characters by virtue of their gender or skin color. Similarly one would think that the super human aspects of most well, super heroes, would make it harder for one to identify. So why what is it about identification and representation that is important? Its not about the character. Its about societies ack…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:15 PM
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I agree. While I would say that wonder woman is, as a piece of consumerism is "feminist", its the first female super hero in the new wave of comic book movies to get a film, young girls now have a character they can identify with or look up to, it certainly isn't a feminist work. Instead it just hits a bunch of superficially feminist points. It wants to sell it self as feminist movie, but it isn't one. Capitalism isn't feminism. Capitalism co-opts feminism. The movie fails, as a feminist work be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 04:50 PM
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That is not high earning. I get thats higher than what a lot of people in the us make, but its not "high earning". Its typical white collar pay. Two people pulling that kind of income is enough to So yeah, I don't disagree. No one wants to marry someone who doesn't make enough money to live comfortably. But I don't think a high earnings partner is something men desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 08:46 PM
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Just because that is how society calls it, doesn't mean its something we should do. What your describing is gender policing. Cultural policing is a thing too. I'm mixed. I got plenty of shit as a kid for "acting white", yet I can recognize why it would be harmful to call that "toxic blackness". One of my best friends growing up was a Hasidic jew, and there was plenty of tension between him and his family over stuff like him not getting to go out on Halloween. It would be wrong to call this "toxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 09:06 PM
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Why do we need to prescribe a gender to do this? Both boys and girls will engage in this kind of behavior. Its a human trait, not a male one or a female one, so why call it toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 11:51 PM
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While I'd like to, it doesn't pay well (cause too many people want to be in it), and the hours can be hell. The hours can be tough at really serious software companies (where I am at currently is pretty laid back) but at least there you are paid stupid amounts. And I'd be more interested in designing/building my own game, than building something someone else has designed. If I do get involved in games it will be some small game I build myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 11:38 PM
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Have you read any posts by TRP authors on lmr or you are just making stuff up? Comments like: If you think she's playing coy, back off. If she wants to continue, she'll have to admit she wants it." It's a takeaway, sales 101. Are not the "fine print" they make up the bulk of the subject matter. With "pushing past" lmr being exactly what your not supposed to do. See But TRP calls this "pushing past last minute resistance," because they never miss an opportunity to sound like a villain. Where??? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 05:31 PM
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Clowning on incels. Naw. Rpers don't like to hit men when they are down. But for some reason anything short of kissing incel ass unconditionally is the height of cruelty. As an incel, people who identified as bp/feminist and such were consistently cruel to me when ever I expressed frustration with my lack of romantic success. There is a difference between between people and engaging in some sort of constructive criticism. Neither kisses anyone's ass, but one is mean and the other is kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 05:07 PM
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Terpers have explicitly disavowed morality, so there's no hypocrisy involved on their side. Its funny how the group that has disavowed morality has been consistently far kinder to me than the group that professes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 05:02 PM
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Spent pretty much all my time after school from the ages of 10-18 modding video games. Learned to code because of that Conservative estimate, 3hr avg, 7day wk -> ~9000 hrs experience. Went to college. Dropped out of college cause of depression and stuff. Moved to bay area got a job in software at 21 at 60k/yr (cause no degree) now I'm 28,160k (cause +7 yr experience overcomes no degree). 160k is my total compensation. Not my salary my salary is ~120.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 04:44 PM
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Ok. Cool. You are always interesting Atlas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:29 PM
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But in the end there's no such thing as an incel unless they have actual deformities or severe autism. When I did have an active social life I still didn't have any romantic relationships because I was mistaken and thought any expression of my sexuality was liable to be harmful, and I didn't understand how to safely express my sexuality. It wasn't autism or anything. I grew up in a really liberal town and was also exposed to a lot of feminist media online that convinced me I was really liable to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:28 PM
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So you think its better for women to date men who are more likely to not respect boundaries? except for the premise that it actually benefits women (or men) Thats the conclusion. Not the premise. The premises are: Women would prefer to date men who are more respectful of boundaries than those who are not. Men who are more likely to initiate are less likely to be respectful of boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 05:55 PM
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And how does it benefit women to date passive unattractive men Not all men who are don't initiate are unattractive, and I'm presuming women want men who are respectful of boundaries. If women want to date assholes then obviously this is of no benefit. This is pretty straight forward argument, please tell me which point is wrong and why. A man is more likely to initiate if he is less respectful of boundaries. If you only date men who initiate, you the % of men you encounter who don't respect boun…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 04:31 AM
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I make ~160k/yr with no degree. I'd be hard pressed to do that elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 04:21 AM
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Sounds like a difficult place for women who are not 'Stacy' too? No. Only challenging in the sense that most of the men in the bay area are not as idk, high quality, as men you might find in other centers of commerce or industry (ex, SF compared to NYC or London). So if you are a woman looking for a conventional top tier man then your going to have a harder time. If you don't mind pasty nerds or asian immigrants you will have a deluge of options. so I looked up dating there and found this from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 04:20 AM
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There is an argument like this: For people who care less about respecting boundaries, are more likely to initiate. on the other hand, for people who really care about respecting boundaries, they are less likely too. So therefore, if you only date people who initiate, you'll more likely come across some one who less respects boundaries i.e an asshole. So if women are interested in dating non-assholes, they will be more likely such people if they initiate. More in depth here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 04:08 AM
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As feminists would say, you don't get a cookie for being a decent human being. That said, I have seen feminists stand up for men, but this isn't what it looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:51 AM
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There is no 100% way to know if an advance is unwanted with out making that advance. So you can't have it both away, either all advances, wanted or not, are not tolerated at work, or you have to tolerate some unwanted advances because people will make mistakes. And honestly who is complaining about being unable to make unwanted advances? No one wants to make an unwanted advance, they just want to not be strung up when they get it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:44 AM
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Ah but see, if I try to make the jump from friendship to relationship, and she does not reciprocate, then I am a dreaded nice guy and have done great harm to some one I really care about. ~ or at least thats what I used to think
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:18 AM
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It depends how you come at it. Her perspective is seems to be, that since men are in a position of power "hate" towards men is just good fun and if there is any harm then its inconsequential. I don't believe she hates men, but that is only because I believe that most people don't hate groups of people. On the other hand I can understand how someone who believes that in general people often hate groups of people could read that article and thinks that "they hate men" is the only possible explanat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 09:49 PM
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You're just being asked not to tell other people what their ideas/experiences are. There is this common thing where a rule or term has an obvious statement few would be able to disagree with, but then is used much strongly else where. A sort of equivocation. Its sometimes called motte/bailey. That people that you shouldn't tell people what their ideas/experiences are is pretty unobjectionable. At the same time, this is used to defend far more than that. Like look at this. This is totally reasona…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 06:05 PM
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Because it is? OP is just describing a friend. Unless you believe that the source of the problem for men who struggle with getting a partner is that they are unable to be friends with women or they aren't "decent looking", then obviously there is more to than that. And that was my experience. All my life I've had plenty of good friends of all genders, yet I've never had a partner. Because the message I got growing up was very much as OP says that: But I think this is what most people are after. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:10 PM
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For us ignoring it would mean that the TRP conspiracy theories and sexism can thrive without ever being confronted by criticism. We can't just look away if we think that taking action is more helpful. No, your actions make the red pill thrive. This post about how terrible TRP is caused the largest single jump in subscribers for TRP. And TRP didn't kill me. If anything it saved my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:05 PM
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But it does demonstrate the knee jerk reaction red pill has to anything feminist, which is my larger point. Those goal posts. Look at them move! I don't disagree that TRP has a keejerk reaction to anything feminist. Thats a far cry from your earlier claim: Your earlier claim was: This thread is a perfect example of why red pill calling themselves "sexual strategy" is completely wrong. Do you concede that this thread does not demonstrate such? The failure of red posters in this thread to discuss …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 08:47 PM
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Way to not address anything I wrote. I was talking about the Dear Leaders who drive the sub. Make up your mind. Because earlier you were arguing in the context of this thread, not /theredpill. This thread is a perfect example of why red pill calling themselves "sexual strategy" is completely wrong. So which is it? I will address both possibilities: If you are speaking to the behavior of red posters in this thread: These Dear Leaders, if they actually have a shit about anything other than putting…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 09:36 PM
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I'm more sad if anything (sad that I know other men and women are in the same situation I was once, and I'm not sure how to help them). TRP fixed me. So I'm comfortable with where I am now. one is willing to parse the data Yeah. Sorry that is ableist. Not everyone can "parse the data". There are lots of non neurotypical people who get messages from feminist circles and it fucks them because feminist dialogue refuses to acknowledge its ableism. For example I once read an article that said somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 08:03 PM
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I contend that overt displays of sexuality from low SMV people to high SMV people is usually unpleasant, and that most guys are pretty turned off by it. It's not just women who have standards, and its disingenuous to extrapolate low SMV male's thirst onto other men. Who says otherwise? So, CMV I guess; I don't think all men are open to advances from all women. Of course. Who do you expect to argue otherwise? That said, I think it is well agreed here by both sides the men are thirstier than women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 04:03 PM
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It's a fucking incel factory pumped up with imptent rage. Its dialogue like the OP linked, stuff from feminist places that made me incel. Anyways you logic is poor. You claim that because TRPers are discussing feminism, instead of discussing the guys sexual strategy, TRP isn't about sexual strategy. The OP wants answers on the feminist perspective on hitting on strangers. To start discussing how to correctly approach strangers would be derailing. OP Wants to know whether it is even appropriate t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 03:53 PM
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The political is personal and the personal is (often) sexual so of course TRP is about politics as much as anything else. However nothing you've suggested makes TRP a cult. Are they cult like? In some respects, yes. I don't disagree. But plenty of things are cult like. Your later observations are just simply tautological. Yes, they believe that people who disagree with them are wrong, but so does everyone else. Yes, you believe their positions are have very little evidence, but of course you do,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 03:31 PM
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This article seems relevant. http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2007/06/19/when-you-have-feminist-guilt-you-dont-need-catholic-guilt/ Anyways my advice to you would be to not take what they say seriously. As long as you communicate clearly and respect what she says you aren't going to cause an harm to women. If she says "Go Away" and you persist, then we have issues. But as long as we don't we are fine. And yes, she did use non verbal language to suggest that the guy leave, but that she expects…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 05:55 PM
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There is no double standard. Its (more often) creepy when unattractive people do it because it shows a lack of social skills. Take his quote: I want to rip that dress off and fuck you If you are a 10/10 then the other person is more likely to find your attention attractive. So you have not transgressed any boundaries by doing that. If you are a 1/10 that is very unlikely. If you are a 1/10 and you say this to an attractive woman it shows you do not understand. That you are not able to consider h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 09:35 PM
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But somehow most TRPers were part of the bottom 10% that never knew those things Can you show me any evidence that TRPers didn't know that they would be more attractive if they got fit? If not stop making shit up. And no. That TRP emphasizes getting fit does not mean they didn't know that. There are other explanations for that emphasis. For example, I was well aware that that getting fit would make more physically attractive. I just thought that my problem with romance was that I was a bad perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 04:29 PM
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I live in San Francisco and what you describe is completely foreign to me. Baring formal events (weddings and such) all costs are split. Like last month I was invited to go sking with a bunch of people, there was absolutely no expectation that the guy organizing the trip would pay for everyones lodging or lift tickets and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 04:14 PM
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But sexually I am a huge failure and I think I always will be, because I'm 27 and my teens/20s were completely wasted. Why do you think that? I am in the same position as you (28, virgin etc..) but I feel far more optimistic about my future. What do you think is hold you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 03:44 AM
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Unlikely anyone, male or female, will have the same choices they did in college. Its not hard at all. Its just a trade off. I have far more free time now than I did in college precisely because I spent that time in college working very hard. And I certainly think that's the better trade considering college is 4 years. I work like maybe at most 15 hr a week. Thats less than the # of hours I had classes when I was in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 03:29 AM
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The people who complain about having had more freedom/time/fun in college than afterwards are those who didn't spend it wisely. I have far more free time now than I did in college, precisely because I worked very hard to get my self ahead. I figured working hard for four years would be worth it, if it could trade it for far more freedom later. To avoid that 9-5 drudgery that so many people fall into, and it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 03:26 AM
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Because I wanted to be a good person? It was drilled into me pretty hard as a kid that being feminist = being good. ISNT any mans FIRST impulse to ask men who are "good with women" I knew no men in real life who were good with women. All the fictional men who might have been role models for how to be successful with women, I was told were bad people for how they treated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:58 PM
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Because of this I have pretty much no idea how to proceed. What do you want? If you want to sleep with her you need to communicate sexual interest. If all you do is: I pretty much never touch them or even flirt, just have a nice conversation and because of that I don't get out of a platonic relationship. Then of course you won't get out of a platonic relationship. If you want something more you need to display interest in something more. Women aren't psychic, being the most awesome friend ever w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:35 PM
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Guess that means I should never ever talk to women at all under any circumstances Consider this quote Ask yourself, “If I were dangerous, would this woman be safe in this space with me?” If the answer is no, then it isn’t appropriate to approach her.) The problem is, if I am dangerous, then literally there is no place a woman would be safe with me. Not just a dark alley, but like even at a museum. Ergo, I I take her at her word, I should never approach women. but they understood it as "every man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:27 PM
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Yet again another example of people being shit at understanding how to interpret data. Study shows college men want LTRs more than casual sex Not all. Study shows college men want prefer opportunities to find LTR over chances for casual sex. That doesn't mean they want more LTR more than casual sex. Do you not understand that? I may prefer to be professional sports player over a white collar worker, but I would prefer an a job at google over joining the patriots because I have the skills for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:11 PM
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I know how to make friends. I just have few friends because I'm depressed and struggle to sleep and eat properly so I don't get out much. Not trying to be a dick, but in a broader sense you're essentially a worthless flesh and bone organism. You can go and kindly fuck your self. I give roughly 24,000$ a year in charity. On top of that I support both mother, my (now divorced) father, and my mothers new partner. I'm also paying to put his son (with his first wife, not my mom) through private schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:24 AM
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Lack of experience. Lack of a social life. I have a handful of friends but I don't really meet new people. I don't know how to flirt, date etc... its still stuff I'm learning. Sleep/eating disorder stuff. Its all things I'm working on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:33 AM
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I'm 28 and I have no desire to see an escort. I wan't a relationship. It may not necessarily cure you of shyness or social awkwardness, but it will demystify sex and hopefully get you on the right path and the right mindset where you can approach and interact with women without the mental roadblocks and hangups of being a virgin. This isn't clear to me. Why do you think having sex will do this? My mental roadblocks and hangups are the cause of my (continued) virginity. Not the other way around. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 02:09 AM
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But why is this so common among TeRPies? Well because the message is not: In most cases those losers are meant as bad examples. You are supposed to learn what not to do from them and what is unattractive But the opposite. I haven't seen a strong argument from you towards this (at least one media we have common knowledge on), you just seem to be claiming it in retrospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 08:09 PM
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I think that is a good point. that woman does not like them, they feel cheated because they did not get their "prize" that was promised by the covert contract they made with reality. I just wanted to say that there is another way this can go. As some one who failed to get any sort of romantic relationship, I never felt cheated. Why? I had bought into this so deeply, I concluded that this meant I was a terrible person. I ended up depressed, dropped out of school etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 07:33 PM
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That analogy is actually perfect That is why I chose it. I'm glad we have gotten this far, because you are closer to understanding my point. Just like with OP's post, the majority of TRP men are unattractive and that is all that is being claimed. Sure, and I haven't disagreed with this. That doesn't change somehow make the OP's question not disingenuous. OP is still asking "Why would women want a man who is unattractive". Its disingenuous because no one is arguing that women want men who are una…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:15 PM
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You are being incredibly uncharitable if that is the way you are reading my post. Suppose some one is making the argument that most ravens are black, and asks me to argue otherwise, but says that white ravens don't count. If I say that that is a bad argument, that does not mean that I am automatically taking the opposite side, that most ravens are white. There is a position in between, which is simply "I don't know". I have no fucking clue as to whether successful or unsuccessful men are more re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:06 PM
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That's why the title is "Why Would Women Want a TRP Man?" and not "Why Would Women Want a TRP Man Who Is Bad At Following TRP?". Hence why I say OP is being disingenuous. No. OP says: NOTE: In before "a woman would never know!" and "lots of TRP guys are successful!" Yes, exceptions to what I'm saying exist. But they're not the vast majority of TRP guys. OP is pretty clearly saying that the men she is talking about are not successful, that those who succeed are exceptions and not representative o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:42 PM
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Since you consider successful TRP men to be exceptions to not be representitive of TRP men, and successful TRP men, are men women want, you just seem to be asking in a very convoluted manner: Why would women want a man women don't want. Well I'm not sure who would argue that, or what it has to do with trp. Also, how do you know the vast majority of TRP are not successful? That kind of numbers seems like something we are lacking any information on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:36 PM
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No, I am red I think OP is spot on. OP is talking about TRP men who fail to be alpha, or alphas who about to being learned alphas, not natural. TRP theory agrees that women don't want either of these. That said, the OP is being kind of disengenous, the obvious implication of her post is that if women don't want TRP men, then TRP is not effective. But OP is only considering those who fail, not those who succeed. Thats almost tautological, of course women don't want those who fail, even TRP would …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:28 PM
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Where does TRP claim that these shows are sending BP messages?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 03:16 AM
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TeRPers are always shocked when they post a Chad Your literally making a straw man argument. If you want to claim that TRP post pictures of gay looking chads, you need to actually find pictures posted by TRP that people agree look gay. Not take a gay looking picture and simply assert that TRP posts pictures like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 02:28 AM
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I can't speak to this video, but an interesting book on this is called the "Two income trap" by Elizabeth Warren. Consider for example, that you want to send your kid to a good school. In order to live in a good school district you need to out compete the other families for property in the good district. If every family starts earning twice as much, nothing changes because your still competing for the same spots against the same people, just everyone has to spend twice as much. So everyone is wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 02:22 AM
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TRPers don't post pictures of men meant for a gay audience. Its just everytime TRPers post a picture of a man with muscles people say "Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" as a way to discredit them. Case in point. Pictures of Connor Murphy have floated around in previous threads with bpers and atlas calling those pictures as "looking gay" and now of all suddenly when directly asked, people agree that no, he doesn't actually look like hes embodying the gay aesthetic. The point of that picture was more about hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 01:54 AM
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Forever alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 11:06 PM
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What kind of things are a priority in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 03:53 AM
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when I say it's not unusual for men to get away with rape or assault I'm referring to cases like the Brock Turner case, the overwhelming support for someone like Roman Polanski in Hollywood Why don't you see this as a class issue rather than a gender issue? My main issue with the modern "social justice" culture is it seems to paint issues that are clearly class issues as race/sex/gender issues. My cynical view is that this is a way for the people in power to divide us. Get everyone fighting amon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 03:48 AM
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Your consistent objection seems to be that TRP does not understand what women like (physically) in men as evidenced by the fact that according to you we keep showing pictures of "gay" men. TRP doesn't give two shits what a man looks like in the male gaze, TRP cares about: how women would react to such men IRL If women react positively to such men, then it doesn't matter if you think they are "gay", TRP isn't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 06:34 PM
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Do you not have any gay friends? Twinks are just as much a part of the gay aesthetic. This idea that large muscles is a "gay" thing is ridiculous. There are tons of gay people who prefer the first two guys you link over more muscular men. If you consider the first two to be examples of what gay people, not women find attractive, then that is easily contradicted by the fact that the 2nd guy, connor murphy has tons of videos where women are all over him. So no. Clearly he is representing the gay a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 06:27 PM
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Second guy, connor murphy has tons of videos with women literally all over him. Like this. I think this would contradict your claim that he represents the gay aesthetic, or at least that the gay and straight androphillic aesthetic are not so far divorced. Maybe stop prescribing your preferences to the entire population of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 06:06 PM
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The just world strikes again! These people clearly have no sexual success, therefore they must be terrible people. I have friends of both genders. I work a sales job. I don't mean I'm some retail clerk. I do BtB stuff. Either I'm some incredible exception to the rule or that could be true if I had was "repellent". The truth is most incels are not terrible people. They just don't understand how to attract women because they've taken too literally the BP/feminist talk around dating and sex. See pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:42 PM
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Right, and part of a debate is making an argument that people can challenge. If you say "I pulled out somes marbles 10 were white" I can't challenge that on any other level other than telling you that with out knowing the number of black marbles one can't claim to know that the marbles are mostly white. You need to provide more information before we can justly engage in debate. And the difficulty of forming an actual argument to support your position does not some how mean less rigorous work mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 11:05 PM
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Sure, and that is a great argument to make against the unvalidity of TRP. But that they do it too, doesn't some how make it any more correct here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 10:29 PM
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You still don't understand. That isn't sufficient. Say we have a box of marbles, some black, some white. We don't know the ratio. I claim, "Most of the marbles are white". When you ask for my evidence, I say "I pulled out some marbles, 10 were white". That would still be insufficient for me to conclude that most of the marbles were white. I have to say white out of how many, I pulled out, in order to conclude that most of the marbles were white. If I pulled out only 10, and all 10 were white, my…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:19 PM
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Its hard to change your view when your not actually providing any links to what convinced you of your view. To be honest your post seems to be more written to people who agree with you, not to people who disagree with you, and thus can change your mind. For example you don't link to any of your sources, which makes hard to CYV. So instead I will make an argument on when we should believe stuff in general. I don't doubt that some of the people in the community do some of the things you say, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:02 PM
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Link? If it was lewis cross, well I agree he is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:41 PM
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Where has any trper called her 5? Its easy to mock people when you just make shit up about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:32 PM
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No other conscious motivation. You already knew the answer to the literal question before you asked. Hes your boyfriend, hes attracted to you, ergo, hes attracted to your twin. I suppose you could have self esteem issues and doubt whether your boyfriend is attracted to you, and thus, you ask about your twin, but that seems like important qualifying information to leave out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:26 PM
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Some of the most successful people I know in this profession are of (what I believe to be, anyway) average intelligence. Compared to who? Are you sure your just not doing a sort of class wide imposter syndrome? That your not over estimating the intelligence of everyone else? Like if you think rocket scientists or what ever aren't "smart" then either your poorly calibrated, or your definition of "smart" is weird. Between an average american, and a rocket scientist, working on problems they are bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 05:08 AM
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This is a good example of how shit tests can be unconscious. You say: Of course, at the time, I did not do this to specifically get a reaction to him, I was genuinely curious and I legitimately thought this would be an innocuous question. The thing is, you should already know the answer to this question before you even ask it. So your curiosity wasn't towards whether he found your sister attractive, but towards how he would he handle the question. It was a shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 04:50 AM
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all things considered he seems like an 'average' This what TRP means when they claim that women don't see the lower percentile of men... Frat boy + Handsome + Lead Singer of a band isn't "unremarkable". Nor is it the average man. And his negatives don't really matter. Nerd Hobbies can just be ignored if they are unattractive. Being broke matters a lot less in college, 5'8 is just a little below average etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 04:28 AM
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The thing is, TRP cannot at the same time claim most men have such low standards that they will fuck anyone, and claim that having a man desire sex with her is "validating" to a woman. For the record I am Red and think ChinChin is being ridiculous. Obviously the attention of most men is not validating. Whats would be validating is attention from men who have options. That ChinChin can't recognize this would be a good example of male solipsism. Many men are in a position where any attention at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:44 AM
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Whats bizzare to me, is you claiming that every single reply is like that, when there are so many posts not like that. Archwinger, Sandman, Alth etc... Are there people who are delusional like Lewis who can't even comprehend that some nerds might be attractive? Yeah. Absolutely. But acting like every terper in here is Lewis Cross is fucking hyperbolic as hell. But there are plenty of repleis in here that acknowledge that you can be both nerdy and attractive and that nerd doesn't have to mean a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 07:20 AM
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Got a mirror for that last link?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:54 PM
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No shit. But that doesn't change the fact that your "conclusions" aren't conclusions, but assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:53 PM
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I work in stats for a living and people engaging in shitty statistics is something that amuses me. Drawing accurate conclusions from statistics is difficult. If you think you've done sufficient work to justify your conclusions you vastly underestimate the ease and reliability of stats & surveys. Like take one of your conclusions: RPers tend to mark women down in an attempt to appear more alpha, so that fucks the marks up straight away. Even if we grant that RPers marked women, that doesn't mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:29 PM
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They are only called beta traits because they are the traits that betas almost solely express. I'm aware that there are many posts where comfort things are called beta, I don't disagree with that. What I would say you would struggle to find is that doing "comfort things" would mean someone was beta (as you accuse TRP of doing). Its a subtle distinction. Ex: There are lots of writings on comfort tests and people saying that you need to lean beta to handle, but no one would say: that is being beta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:41 PM
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Okay. So you have a bunch of issues with TRP/Its community. However your big issue is that you don't understand TRP and thus your complaints are nonsense. You have a lot of mistakes, but I'm just going to point the biggest thing that shows you don't understand TRP. That for me is what I'm most proud as a man, but for TRP that is being beta No its not. Now where does trp say that makes one beta. listening to her, to her problems, her darkest secrets and deepest fears, breaking through her walls o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 08:19 AM
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And they aren't leaders. Okay. Sure, I will agree that if you have a man in a ltr relationship he likely isn't alpha if he isn't taking the leading role. That said, you also said this man, calls his own shots. So hes not a leader, so no one is following him, but he calls his own shots, so he isn't following anyone else. I would still say that is alpha, it just doesn't sound like a guy who is LTR oriented. Sounds more like FWB or a MTGOW. How do you get stability and support when two people are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:20 AM
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Many high betas also count the happiness of those they care about as important, and run their relationships like a collaboration. Right, so they do the things that make an LTR work. That doesn't make them beta, so I don't see why you would call them beta. TRP's reaction to that kind of thing is to piss their pants in terror and insist that basic communication is a sign of weakness that turns women off. Nonsense. TRP doesn't say anything of the sort. Alphas are leaders and part of being a leader …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:31 PM
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Says who? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 07:38 AM
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Every incel or beta guy wishing the cute popular girl (better looking, more social capital, higher SMV) would notice him is hypergamous by redpill's definition. Uh. Not. Not at all. If you think that is how red pill defines hypergamy, then you don't understand how TRP defines hypergamy. hypergamy as used by TRP is meaningless, it's like a coping mechanism for being rejected. "She thinks shes too good for me, what a hypergamous bitch", but it is never in question whether or not he is good enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 07:15 AM
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From a couple discussions it seems to me that what BPers mean by "high beta" is just "Alpha who values LTRs and so does stuff that goods for LTRs". And that calling such a person a "high beta" is just a refusal to acknowledge that TRP might be right about something, even if they agree with TRP on this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 06:36 AM
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Emperors, presidents, heads of state are very polished. They're not acting as alphas. I didn't claim they were alpha. It was analogy to show what it looks like to me your doing. Because an actual alpha doesn't default to relationships. So what? Yes, saying some one is an Alpha doesn't signify whether they are interested in LTRs or not. But why are we using "High Beta" if it mean "Alpha who values LTRs"? A high beta defaults to a relationship, but still calls his own shots. So he is alpha. You ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 06:31 AM
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A high beta man is defined by support/kindness/stability. But why are we calling this man "high beta"? To me it just seems your just taking an Alpha man who values LTRs and thus does things that make long term relationships work, and calling him "high beta". It seems to me to be sophistry. Like, consider traits that make a good emperor. Some of those traits are also what makes a good legionary. For example loyalty. Its important for the legionary to be loyal to each other, and to their emperor, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 06:05 AM
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Why isn't that just an Alpha? Why does stability make some one Beta and not Alpha? If anything it seems to me that not having your shit together would be the anti-thesis of "Alpha".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 05:41 AM
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But in what sense are "high beta" men, beta? I've always understood "beta" in the TRP sense to fundamentally mean a submission out of fear/desperation. That betas are the kinds of guys who's support and kindness is motivated out of fear/neediness/desperation. Support/kindness/stability or what ever doesn't make a person beta. It just something beta people do a lot (which is why we call it a beta trait) because they want to supplicate to the person they put above them. To me at least its the moti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 05:39 AM
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/trp is trash right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 05:21 AM
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I honestly think people are just misinterpreting each other. Well your the one who said "Forcibly" ignores the freeze response, but if the freeze response only occurs under force ("making it clear your 'no' doesn't matter"), then "Forcibly" doesn't ignore the freeze response, which contradicts your earlier statement. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 04:15 AM
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TRP tells men to be stoic, to always be an infallible Captain and to "maintain frame". TRP says no such thing. The stoic and maintain frame parts I would agree with, but not the "be an infallible Captain". No where does TRP says one should be infallible. Furthermore if you think being stoic means being humorless, then you don't understand stoicism. A lot of RP men seem to react in a way that's somewhere between defensive and "amused mastery" (ugh) when faced with minimal criticism or even playfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 03:57 AM
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There was a recent post here where some one was arguing that the experience of women of being approached by they don't want is akin to the experience of straight men being approached by gay men. Just not at all an option. To answer your question, I would sort of flip this around. Attractive enough for sex = I can look at this person and not be repulsed or want to look at away. Consider the men around you whom you don't find physically repulsive. They are attractive enough for sex. Also, I would …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 03:43 AM
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Why can't we say that believing what the media says about a person ability to attain a certain career is a similar lack of social awareness? Everyones been to a hospital and seen female doctors and male nurses. And if you haven't, then what does the media matter? If your socially aware you'll understand the media doesn't reflect real life. I don't think you can have it both ways. Anyways as some one who struggled a lot with dating in high school in college, it was never that I didn't understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 01:55 AM
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All of that is irrelevant. Everyone agrees that women are 100% responsible for what to do with their pregnancy. The other side of that, is that it is unjust to hold someone responsible for the consequences of an action they have no power over. Regarding #1, If the issue is that women don't have sufficient access to abortions, the solution is not to hold men responsible for the children, the solution is to increase access to abortions. Regarding #2, This is irrelevant. Men have no say in whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 04:32 AM
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You mean to tell me that if you married a woman and she promised to give you children and then decided she didn't feel like it and sat on her ass and also decided not to work or do anything really, you wouldn't stop romantically loving her? Nope. Your pretty much demonstrating the solipsism of women, and that women don't love men the way men love women if you think a man's love would be contingent on providing children or staying employed. If I had certain life goals (children, high income lifes…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:50 PM
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So whats your point? That trpers sometimes engage in dialogue that is low value? Why do we need a post about this? What kind of outcome would you like to see in this discussion? BPers also engage in plenty of low value comments. I don't really see that changing on either side, just take it as part of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:21 PM
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Contesting the thought experiment misses the point. When your discussing say the transplant-trolley problem you don't say stuff like But the doctor might fuck up the surgery and now an extra person has died and no one was saved. That's missing the point. The purpose of the thought experiment is to illustrate a certain point. In my example, I was just illustrating how one can profess a desire for an outcome (having people not go hungry) and knowingly engage in a behavior that is sub-optimal for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 03:29 AM
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bullshit, i GOT the gay underwear models from trps and incels directly. So show it! You can claim bullshit all you want, but your not actually providing any examples to this claim. If its as common as you say it should be trivial to demonstrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 12:03 AM
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I think the distinction is whether the action they take are ones that are consistent with belief in that action, or the actions they take are consistent with the social rewards of that belief. For example you could take a lawyer who says he cares a lot about feeding the poor. So every Saturday he goes down to the soup kitchen and feeds the poor for 8 hours. On the other hand, the lawyer could probably just work extra hours at his firm on Saturday and bill his clients for 50 dollars/hr. He would …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 11:59 PM
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You summed up TBPs criticism of TRP perfectly on accident here. Sure, and just demonstrated that TBP doesn't understand TRP. No one on TRP has ever claimed that they literally tried to emulate what they saw on entertainment. Rather, its that entertainment reflects/reinforces our understanding of the culture we live in. But that kind of finesse seems to be beyond you. To move to the same idea but in a different topic that you might be more sympathetic too, consider the phenomena of "bury your gay…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 06:09 PM
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They think Alpha is being a gay body builder What nonsense is this? No. Seriously. Where did you ever come across any trp saying this? If you go to any discussion regarding what kind of aesthetics women (in general) like people are adamant that "body builder" is not it. But rather its the athetlic & fit brad pitt type. As archwinger says There's such a thing as being too jacked up. Girls tend to like fit, athletic builds, but not the freakishly huge strongman look. Depends on the girl, though. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 04:38 PM
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YMMV but in right wing communities seem far more open to debating opposing views. I've never had any trouble for my socialist views in right wing communities I think this is because right wing people don't get the opportunity to debate left wing ideas in left wing communities. So they don't ban what they perceive to be wrong think when it shows up in their communities, since they like to engage with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 04:22 PM
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I disagree with you on two levels here: Well good thing I didn't say 2 (of those 3) things. First, just because a relationship is monogamous, does not automatically make it "blue pill." I'm well aware of that. If you read my post you'll see that I didn't say that. My point was that the monogamy in these media is not a red pilled one, due to oneitis/true love. As for examples of "red pills" who are not shown as being villains Nor did I say that either. I didn't say red pills were villains, I said…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:44 PM
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if anything the media shows you that being the stereotypical omega or beta makes you fail and being a bad boy rebel is super cool. All the superhero shit we grew up on is badass vigilantes beating criminals up for example So there are a couple things at work here. I don't disagree that our media shows women as attracted to "alpha" type characters. The badass vigilantes or whatever. But what I think a lot of people seem to miss is that this is always portrayed as a mistake. There are two ways thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:19 PM
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I didn't say anything about throwing out the concept of trust. I said: you should extend the same basic trust to everyone regardless of their immutable characteristics. its still the individuals call to make and theirs alone. Absolutely. But that that its their call, doesn't make it valid. Immutable characteristics have no bearing on trustworthyness, so no such call would be valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 05:59 PM
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If your getting called a creep because you don't look like a GQ model that means you massively don't understand your place in the SMV. It is a failure to understand social norms. That is creepy. Its not fair, but thats the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 05:27 PM
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If this is creepiness, it almost seems to me like your making the argument that "creepy" is a form of ableism. A guy's hunchback and scarred face has no correlation with how trustworthy he is. To think otherwise is simply bigotry, even if one isn't conscious of it. At the same time though, everyone has the right to withhold or confer trust as they please. I'm not sure the social justice crowd would agree with this. Rather, they might say you should extend the same basic trust to everyone regardl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 05:17 PM
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Men do the exact same thing to us. I don't doubt some men do, but men as a whole don't. You can't have men and women doing this to each other in proportional numbers because then you wouldn't even have the phenomena to begin with. The only reason women getting off the carousel are settling for the "nice guys" is because there are not enough men on the carousel to go around. If men and women were both on the carousel in equal number then they could just pair off when they get off and no one would…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 11:22 PM
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That women can "sleep up" in SMV more easily than men, is a massively different claim than "all women can sleep with who ever they want". That is clearly not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:27 PM
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The reason RPers are on their sub right now is because they got rejected by a HOT WOMAN for being too nice. I found my way to TRP because there were lots of nerdy women in my life who I wanted to be in relationships with, but I didn't understand how to form relationships with them. Even when I was BP I didn't concern myself with Stacy, because I knew she was out of my league.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:52 AM
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from whoever they want. Red pill has never argued this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:44 AM
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A girl once told me she liked my smile. That made my fucking week. ~10 years later it still feels good. I don't think ever once been complemented on my appearance since then? Aside from like, my mother. I've certainly never been hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:43 AM
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Its not about how people fail to live up to fiction. Its about the message fiction sends about relationships. When the shows I grew up consistently sent the message that relationships with "Alpha" were wrong (by having them consistently end up with the Alpha character hurting the women they loved) the message that I internalized was that even if women are attracted to those kinds of people, that isn't the kind of person I should be. Opposite messages were sent about "beta" relationships. TV and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:33 AM
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I'm not sure I agree? TRP me tells me that in order to get laid I must become "Alpha". Non-TRP sources tell me that in order to get laid I must become a better (in a moral sense) person. My main focus, pre-trp, when interacting with women was focusing on not harming them. Of course I had wildly uninformed ideas as to how harmful I potentially was. Express romantic interest too early, and well, women hate getting hit on by guys they don't know. Express romantic interest too late and I would be "n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 06:13 AM
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I don't need to "No True Scotsman" you. You haven't made an argument. You've merely made an assertion. If you want to make an argument that RP is made up of some sort of people, your more than welcome to, but I expect you to show it. Not just pull numbers out of your ass. You can absolutely make an argument that it is likely I am a Nazi if I attend rallies with lots of Nazis. That said, you first have to show that those rallies actually contain Nazis. I don't need to go "No True Rallygoer is a N…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:41 AM
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I'm rather confused? You don't seem to be describing red pill. Red pill is all about: Accepting the market place for what it is. Building a better product. Which is also what you just wrote. So I'm not sure how you can say red pill has a fundamental misunderstanding. Now you see to be pointing to a group of people who don't accept #2, and saying that somehow is a slight against TRP? That doesn't follow. If Incels and the like don't accept #2, that doesn't make TRP wrong. It just means that Incel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:31 AM
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Absolutely not. People in the incel community don't accept responsibility for their situation and view their situation as unchangeable. Thats not RP. Incels say that society should change to fit them (ex: that the government should buy them escorts). RP (while it may certainly say there are things wrong about society) is about changing ones self to profit from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 07:10 PM
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TRP appealed to me because it was the one sex/dating/relationship advice community that didn't make me feel like shit for reading it. Places like dr. nerd love have this (sometimes blatant) undercurrent that a failure to date is fundamentally a failure of moral character, and that when interacting with people a large part of ones focus should be on being a virtuous person. As such even if there is good advice there, I couldn't take it. As some one who has never been in a sexual relationship, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:57 PM
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That it doesn't happen on reddit, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Took me a few seconds of googling to find these: http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q1568525/eeef9c03-46cf-4d43-a3b0-6c43bd8b6f49.jpg http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q1568525/3bc3cf86-abdb-4aa0-b78b-f5370fd376db.jpg http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q1568525/190ab5d4-a62f-4d7e-88c4-3d55154402db.jpg http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q1568525/465717a4-1e25-4a26-80c3-3f4aff98d73c.jpg http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q1568525/ea8a03bb-97d2-4066-bbc0-6d4e1cc6a9ce.jpg …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 03:38 PM
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Both your statements are consistent with each other. To give an example you could consider a school that was kindergarten through high school with the same # of students per grade. The average student would (hopefully i.e assuming kids before high school are for the most part not having sex) have an N count of near 0. On the other hand the average N count would not also have to be 0. The average man, can certainly have a very different N count than the average women depending on how your averagi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 02:53 PM
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Thanks. Stuff is getting better, albeit slowly. But that's okay. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 04:03 AM
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Spot on. Though I wouldn't say they are entitled. Their entitlement is a mask to their insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 03:50 AM
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Presuming you don't believe that one can be trans racial, then the arguments against that are a good argument against the coherency of the separation of sex from gender. I take it the other way, that one can in principle be trans-racial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 03:00 AM
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they think they can be more comfortable if they just swap roles. He sees how much attention girls get and thinks to himself how wonderful it would be to become a girl and have all that attention. Both of them just have crippling identity issues. They don't know who they actually are. They're not comfortable being themselves This was me. I considered with identifying as trans/going on the path to transition for several years before doing some introspection and realizing that this was my motivatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 02:45 AM
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RP says it doesn't expect anything Uh no. Your just proving my point that you guys don't know what your talking about. RP expects plenty of things. Ex: AWALT is a whole bundle of exceptions as to women. Given that, you don't think it's possible that these contradictions exist I don't see how thats a contradiction. You can expect stuff and still complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 08:20 PM
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Pointing out that lots of these conflict -- which is what OP is doing -- isn't a "misunderstanding" of TRP. OP Isn't pointing out conflicts. OP Just straight up doesn't know what hes talking about. I've already demonstrated that. OP thinks TRP expects women to live up to certain standards (i.e refrain from hypergamy) when the truth is anything but that. TRP doesn't expect women to refrain from hypergamy, TRP says women won't. How is that not a failure to understand TRP? The only conflict is due …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 04:34 PM
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Why does RP get to put that whole blame on women? Both OP and I said "certain" moral standards, not everything. Also note that I said that TRP doesn't live up to certain moral standards either. No one is putting everything on women. There is criticism on every single type of woman out there in TRP and that's what OP means by "expectations" Expect != Criticize. If I have a terrible student, I may criticize him for his poor grades, but I do not expect him to ace all his classes. You don't speak fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 04:29 PM
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I think you misunderstand red pill. I'm not going to address every point, since your completely wrong on all points, I'm just going to identify the one that I think demonstrates your largest failure to understand TRP. The point is the hypocrisy in how women are expected to live up to certain moral standards that men are excused from, while RP claims men are more moral/righteous. If you think that TRP expects women to be loyal, or to not engage in hypergamy, you don't understand TRP. TRP theory d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:57 PM
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I'd say being red pilled is the norm. Of course you do. You think crazy stupid love, a movie that ends with a speech on true love, grand romantic gestures, and the main character going back to the woman he has oneitis for is a red pilled movie. When you think thats red pill its not surprising to me you think red pill is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:39 PM
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some conspiracy of women out there all trying to control the actions of men collectively. If this is how you define "enforcing gender roles" then nor do men. But the truth is both men and women enforce gender roles, though it may manifest in different ways. Importantly enforcement of gender roles is almost never done with the intention of enforcing of gender roles, but because the patriarchy rewards those who support. When one boy calls another "fag" for wearing a pink shirt, hes not doing it wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:53 PM
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Some feminists have a bad habit of coding how the patriarchy hurts men, as an issue with men, and coding how the patriarchy hurts women, as an issue with society. When really both men and women are hurt by, and complicit in enforcing the patriarchy. Feminism acknowledges this, but again in practice the actions of many feminists seem to fail to reflect a true internalization of this belief. It irks me because its dialogue like this gets in the way of progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:07 PM
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In principle fragile masculinity is an attack on toxic-masculinity. In practice its an attack on (weak) men. If the talk surrounding fragile masculinity was about liberating men then the then the theme of the words would not be one of mockery, but one of sadness and empathy. One of supporting men, who struggle with the pressures of the patriarchy, and is attempting to stretch the boundaries of gender role, rather than mocking their actions. Finally, while mockery and laughter can be a good way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:38 PM
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I didn't say anything of the sort. My past self loathing was my fault, but so was thinking that my actions would be harmful towards other. Nor am I ignoring impulses, I no longer have those impulses because I understand that my actions are not nearly as harmful as I thought they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 12:19 AM
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I'm 28. I've never asked a women out. I've met plenty of people and had plenty of female friends. Yet I've never been in a romantic relationship. I've spent years not playing my gender role (because I thought my gender role was harmful to people), but at this point, what exactly am I supposed to do? The general response is that this clearly means I am a bad person. I believed that for some years, but not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:59 PM
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I think MRA's explicitly define them selves in opposition to feminism. Fundamentally their point of contention is that are oppressed by virtue of their gender. Things like this. I disagree with that. That yes, many men are oppressed, but not by virtue of their gender, by but virtue of their race/sexuality or class etc... I think thats the big one. Yeah, most work places deaths are men. But the problem isn't that most work places deaths are men, and thats not to be fixed by killing more women, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:56 PM
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team up with feminism rather than place themselves in the opposition Uh. Isn't this kind of unfair? Like, "yeah you can have your movement, but it needs to agree with ours?". Isn't the whole point of MRM that it disagrees with feminism? Like, yeah, you can have your islam, just don't place it in opposition to the bible. I'm kind of two issues with respect to MRM. I can understand why its there. I also think its entirely pointless because the MRM is both for and by weak men and no one cares about…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:31 PM
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We live in a democracy where we don't get jailed for protesting. So if someone doesn't protest it's because of natural human laziness and the fact that the issue at hand isn't big enough for them to motivate them to overcome that laziness. I feel like theres something wrong with this argument, but I'm having trouble putting into words. Like, it sort of suggests that any future "rights" movement, obviously isn't a big deal, because if it was they would have done something about it already (unless…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:53 PM
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The only reason I would be skeptical of a random woman on the street is because I don't think I'm attractive enough for that to legitimately happen, and thats all they have to go off. On the other hand if it was like at a bookstore or something and a woman was like "I see you like X, so do I. I gtg but can I have your number?" I would be thrilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:09 PM
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I'd expect she was trying to sell me something. Maybe not literally, but like a missionary or something. I'd give her my number anyways, cause meeting new people like that, regardless of their intentions tends to be a interesting experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:04 PM
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Thats what the studies say dude. Read them your self. As many men in 2010 were forced to penetrate as women were penetrated. You'd have to be willing to ignore everything we know about men, everything we know about women, everything we know about sexuality and everything we know about intercourse. Patriarchy at work.txt
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:42 PM
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And my point is that the BP strategy often leads into the friendzone or to getting cheated on. Give me an example. I don't see this happening. Unless the lesson is that when a BP guy is cheated on, he should get backtogether with his girlfriend. Thats still a BP message. But also with Ryan Gosling that gives some good information as well But the whole thing with Ryan Gosling's character is that he is a bad person for what he is done. He doesn't give good advice. He gives advice that causes Steve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:43 PM
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Again, I don't deny that RP characters, or RP strategies exist in media. My point is that the RP sexual strategy is portrayed as the wrong, and the BP strategy as the one that gets the girl. You've yet to demonstrate otherwise. When I asked you for an example otherwise you gave me crazy stupid love. A movie that ends with a speech about the importance of soul mates and grand romantic gestures, and the main character going back to the woman he oneitis for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:08 PM
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BP (in this context) is the Disney fantasy that you just have to be nice, give her presents That isn't the BP message. Now I understand why you think there is no blue pill messaging in media. You don't understand what the blue pill message is. Take Aladdin for example. He doesn't win her heart by giving her gifts (though he tries and fails). The BP message in that movie, contentiously reinforced, is that he needs to "be himself" if he wants to get the girl. That is the moral of the story. And ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 08:41 PM
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Seriously why on earth would you try the dating strategy of the character that's only there for slapstick humor Because its not just the butt monkeys who follow a BP Strategy. Its almost every character who gets the girl in the end. As I showed earlier the BP strategy literally gets called out for being shitty and unsuccesfull. Where? Because Robbie asks how Ryder got a date with out buying gifts? That is not the BP strategy. The BP strategy getting called out, would a guy being told to ditch hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 08:24 PM
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Your so close to getting it. So so close. Of course we want to be the cool strong masculine guy. Why do we want to be this? Because we aren't! If we were cool and strong masculine we would have no desire to be, because we simply would be. Now, take a look at which characters in our media are the ones that good, positive relationships. Its the weaker more beta characters. So the message that is sent, is that us, the viewers, those of us who aspire to be the red pilled characters, that we don't ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 07:45 PM
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Okay, so I watched that episode. So first of all. One of the girls early on says: Any dude that hot and that perfect has to be hiding something Then Robbie inquires how Ryder managed to ask out Tori with out giving her a present or money. That is a good lesson, but its not an anti-bp lesson. Blue pill sexual strategy doesn't suggest that the way to attract women is by giving them gifts. Robbie then express his desire to be like Ryder. That is good, but its portrayed as a joke. Next girl (the sis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 07:28 PM
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I don't think they are good examples. They aren't good examples, even if men did watch them. The lesson in all of them (even sex and the city occasionally, miranda and steve) is that women are mistaken when they are attracted to RP type characters and really want BP. And the guy who follows the BP strategy is the one who gets a succesful relationship, while the guy who is more PR doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:46 PM
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I think that is straw-manning a bit. Its not: one pop culture narrative where a weak, submissive bitch of a man is rewarded or glorified for being a weak submissive bitch. Its the that beta/BP sexual strategy is rewarded while the RP one is condemned. So the lesson is don't be RP, be BP. And being beta doesn't mean being a weak submissive bitch. If you want an example of this in pop culture, I think a good example is the works of Joss Whedon. Take buffy the vampire slayer for example. You have A…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:40 PM
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You can be nice, brilliant, funny, interesting, make her laugh. I would consider some one who is nice, brilliant, funny, interesting, and makes me laugh, to be my friend. someone who appears neutral sexually That's where I disagree. I don't think friendship should entail a lack of sexuality, and I think this idea is really unhealthy and anti-feminist. This is the whole "Men can't be friends with women they are attracted to thing". Edit: And I'm not saying I have to be her friend, I'm just saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:37 PM
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Dude, we've been over this. Your engaging in so much cognitive dissonance. The mere presence of RP characters or RP actions does not mean the shows aren't BP Programming. RP is about sexual strategy. The sexual strategy that is shown in these shows to be the moral, and effective one, is the BP one. You can cite that episode where Ryder, the hot guy, dates the girl via and RP strategy. But then she dumps him. So no. That is not a show promoting RP. Here is how literally every example you've liste…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:19 PM
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Sandralees, if I don't that then I am coercive nice guy, because I led her on thinking I was simply interested with friendship when I was interested in something more. Like this kind of message really fucked me when I was younger, because I thought I wasn't supposed to express any sexual interest in women until after I had made friends with them. But of course women really don't like that. Its deceitful. Its not about expecting them to sleep with me from the moment I meet them, its about being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:09 PM
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The only reason women are in this situation is because the burden of action lies entirely on men. When men are largely the only ones putting themselves forward, then women are faced with figuring out how to reject them. And I understand neither rejecting subtly, or rejecting blatantly is comfortable. But this could easily be avoided. How? By women being the ones to take the opposite role. If men are the ones who have to reject, then you won't face this decision, and the burden of rejection will …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 04:56 PM
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Everyone gambles when they are upfront. The only difference is that if men don't, then they (largely, there are always exceptions) don't get anywhere. Do you know why: called a whore who leads people on if I don't bring up a boyfriend right away and am being nice. This happens? Because its really rare for women to take the man's role in dating. If it was the norm for women to express their interest the same way men do, they no one would even bother to think that a woman simply being nice meant s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 04:42 PM
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Two things: It was hard, but a friend (not close) of mine had The Talk with me about my social awkwardness due to Aspergers and how it made women very, very uncomfortable. Get a second, or even third opinion, preferably from women. There are lots of possible reasons this could have happened with out you making women, in general, uncomfortable. Ex, you made one women upset, and she told a friend who told you that you make women in general uncomfortable. Or some guy who was really not a friend loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:30 AM
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It kind of annoys me how I continuously see that TRP needs to care about what neuro-atypical people draw from it but no one (well, literally a handful of people) from your side ever suggests that feminism might need to think about what neuro-atypical people draw from it, and instead the problem is on us for being broken. I don't think you can have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 03:49 AM
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I didn't find that post very convincing. https://archive.is/pkco4 That post seems to think that TRP is about emotionally abusing women. https://archive.is/BYCk1 This guy (if its even real, it reads like something out /thathappened) is about some kid "applying" TRP for few months and becoming an asshole. First of all, its not even possible to apply TRP successfully over the course of a few months. Second of all these kids aren't even doing what TRP theory would suggest. Ex: girlfriend: She tells …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 03:35 AM
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socialist redpill I've only been driven more to the left overtime as I saw center-left being complicit in undermining the very people they claimed to serve. I've also gone blue -> red.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:36 PM
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But the message that you shouldn't be BP is even louder I'm honestly not seeing that message. Like I can't speak to the examples you just cited, because I don't know the shows. So let me ask. Who wins in the end, the best friend's brother or the best friend? Does the girl hook up with the BFB only to discover that that relationship is not right for her, and eventually start a relationship with the best friend? (BP), or does the girl hook up with the BFB for good (RP)? Furthermore does the show p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 04:23 PM
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This was meant to challenge the "but no one ever told me that being attractive was attractive" Yes, and I am saying that RP doesn't say that. I am also challenging the claim that mainstream media is RP. Mainstream media is decidedly not RP because the message in mainstream media is that we shouldn't aspire to be RP. You seem to think that RP theory holds that society says RP/Alpha people aren't attractive. That isn't true. The "lie" if you will is that one shouldn't be alpha (and that women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 11:01 PM
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The whole point of TRP is that they think that society has been lying to them by telling them that pale, skinny, weak nerds are the cool ones and that attractive, muscular guys aren't. Uh. I think you seriously fail to understand TRP. TRP doesn't claim that society says skinny weak nerds are cool. Like honestly, I want to challenge you this. Find me a single post on /theredpill claiming this. The lie isn't "Skinny nerds are cool". The lie is "Alpha is bad". The lie is "Don't be alpha" (and that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 09:44 PM
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How could this message have been hidden if it has been literally everywhere? Lets take your big bang theory for example. Do you know the episode ends? Leonard says Penny is "perfect and that nothing is wrong with her". They kiss and make up. They start to go further but Leonard stops penny because she is drunk. Penny wishes all guys were like Leonard. The nerdy Indian guy gets laid because hes a "good listener". In the end it is the RP guy who remains the ex, while the BP guy "wins". So is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 09:33 PM
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the persistent beleif that women are gay men who want ripped bodies Where is red pill suggesting this? I don't think I've ever seen RP suggest that women are attracted to bodybuilders. When RP claims women are attracted to men with muscles they mean this and not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 09:01 PM
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I've been following http://freenortherner.com/omegas-guide/ more or less, though less rapidly than he suggests because I am hesitant to take on too much at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:42 AM
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Thats poor. Like, to me, the problem with cheating isn't that its inherently wrong. Its that its lying, and lying is wrong. If a man wants to no longer be exclusive, that is a perfectly fine decision but he should be upfront about it. Huh. You weren't kidding: Cheat at your whim and how you see fit. You are your own judge. Same words you used, but by a mod of MRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:46 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:41 PM
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"every man his own judge" stuff absolves the man who violates a formal commitment to exclusivity I don't think TRP suggests that? Almost every post on having multiple relationships is adamant that you should avoid making a formal commitment to exclusivity, and should in fact be upfront your intentions. I think the "every man has his own judge" is not about absolution, but rather suggesting that what ever it is you want, ltr, casual relationships, you should let other people decide for you whethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:33 PM
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My guess is that most left leaning trpers (like my self) see no reason to argue politics on trp. And even so I can understand the appeal of trump as a middle finger the establishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:16 PM
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Where are the statistics that average guys get casual sex? That isn't what I've seen at all. I can't get the raw data but per this if your 22 year old guy (~end of college) and have had eight partners, you've had more partners than 72% of other men 21-24. I don't consider 2 partners/year getting causal sex. Or are you simply saying that most men can get a few, essentially NSA, hookups over the course of many years? That I don't disagree with, but you seem to be suggesting that guys get laid more…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:11 PM
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And it's obvious that TRP has not been part of the normal social circles where men and women just hang out with each other, go to parties, drink a bit and hook up. I had a lot to say, but I wanted to just touch on this first. This isn't the normal social circle for most men (or women) for that matter. You should be hesitant to generalize from your personal experience. If all it it took to hook up was to hang out with the desired sex at parties and alcohol, well, why aren't all the men who strugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:02 PM
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I think its been easier for me to deal with, than most incels, because my life has been fortunate to be very easy. The lack of struggle/stress that other people commonly encounter meant I could devote time/energy/thought to coming to terms with my situation. I think if I had not had the luxury to do so I would have a far different perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/16 05:40 AM
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toxic thinking of incels later in life by enabling them to see women as human rather than sex slot machines? Not in my case, and I really dislike this idea that the problem with incels is they view women as "sex slot machines". I've had female friends my entire life. My problem was exactly the opposite. I essentially resigned myself towards behaving as if were asexual because I thought any expression of my sexuality would be wrong/harmful (especially towards my female friends, because that would…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/16 05:10 AM
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I don't post on those subs but I would fit the description of incel/fa. I'm in my late 20s and have never been in any sort of relationship. It wasn't cause I was (physically) unattractive, or a had a terrible personality or anything. My main issue was psychological. I didn't understand how to express my attraction to people, so I didn't. Naturally I got no where and then eventually just gave up for some years. It wasn't until recently I got my issues sorted out. As a result I am now doing more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 08:28 PM
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As an omega male, TRP has been nothing but beneficial for me as consequences of various posts I've read over there: It got me to read books like no more mr. nice guy & models. It got me working out. It got me eating better, I'm actually gaining weight. I've fixed my sleep schedule. I used to have terrible sleep behavior, staying up entire nights sometimes. It reduced the # of hours I spend on video games and such by making me realize I was using achievement in video games as a proxy/ way of sati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 06:57 AM
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I'm puzzled by the incels who won't even go to the prostitutes. TBH I'm more interested in a relationship than sex. Which is sexual deprivation and pain that comes with it. This is why I'm confused, see? They'd rather die than get something not quite ideal for them I don't feel in pain. Maybe its because I don't know what I am missing, or maybe you are talking about other incels but I don't feel like i'd rather die. Being incel eats away at your sanity and empathy. Not in my case. I've come to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:52 PM
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