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People without experience on something are the ones who are the most critical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:59 PM
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Feels over reals. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:46 PM
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Tbh I think it's a little bit of both. A person who's not intelligent or skilled at something can easily put in the work and effort to expand their knowledge and critical thinking. In this case, it's people who literally go on a debate subreddit and CHOOSE to be both intellectually lazy AND ignorant. I'd genuinely be okay if the government doubled all my taxes just so we can better fund public education. Cause this is a tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:14 AM
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They genuinely have zero self-awareness about how intellectually lazy they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:54 AM
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It's only an apt criticism for homophobic redpillers. For Redpillers who are neutral or positive about gay people, it's just Homophobia to say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 12:48 AM
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Casual Homophobia moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 11:42 PM
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You've also never interacted with a book. I ain't the one throwing rocks in a glass house.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 11:12 PM
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Honestly, I'm just accepting defeat because I'm accepting a lot of other men are schizophrenic about this whole subject and just hate women bringing this topic up. Agreed. It's totally schizophrenic to be upset at a trend in popular culture being blatantly misandrist and comparing men to violent beasts. Wonder if you'd say the same thing about racist white people bringing the topic of violent crime among African-Americans up? I guess it would also just be "Schizophrenic" to analyze violent crime…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 09:30 PM
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I know a lot of women that have been sexually assaulted and dudes in here just be like "I wouldn't do that, so women should assume I wouldn't". The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by a super-minority of offenders, so to act like there is even a substantial probability (1 in 5) that a man is going to sexually assault a woman in a forest is borderline schizophrenic and doesn't even fit the precautionary principle. It's just virtue signaling Well lots of dudes do do that and women sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 08:46 PM
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These people will never keep the same energy when they see mass approved content they disagree with. Using their logic, the hundreds of thousands of misogynistic or redpill memes and content with millions of likes that they deride isn't indicative of any trends or sentiments in culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:43 PM
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One of the most braindead takes on online media that continues to get repeated in this sub and popular psyche despite being on its face wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:41 PM
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Tbh I'm kinda glad the Bear vs Man discourse has gone mainstream. A lot of men are going to become more averse to feminism and redpilled. Liberal women just can't seem to stop jeopardizing their stance in society lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:02 AM
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I never claimed that aging doesn't reduce a woman's SMV. I said "IF" and provided conditions. The $7,000 per year of aging study controlled for attractiveness: "by randomly assigning age to dating profiles where the picture is held constant." Also you keep defaulting to marriage when I never brought that up. "Sexual Market Value" is a proxy for a value in a market for exchange in mates. That market is most born out in romantic relationships, which the majority are marriages or cohabitation. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:22 PM
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There are no talking points. I'm the only one who has brought up empirical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 11:34 AM
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There are ZERO women who can't get a relationship. Look at the fatties on "My 600# Life" lol. Any human being can theoretically get a romantic relationship. In application though it's not always realized. Women often don't want their options but there are tons of available men "The consequence for women of men's preference for youth is more often that they remain unmarried than that they end up married to much older or less educated men" Available men /=/ Men of optimal relationship quality (Qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:57 AM
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Yes, it's universal that people only get what they can get not prefer Nah, it's just universal that there is a casual effect of age on depreciating value in women's exchange. You acknowledge it pretty well considering how unwilling you are to actually engage with any of the articles. But my point remains. My options are better now than at 23. The men I date are RICHER and better looking. This is objectively untrue but hey, I know it's important for some people to cope so I let it happen. The men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:50 AM
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Holy yap
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:18 PM
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You can keep referencing men in their 40s, but this applies to men in their 20s and 30s. AKA, where it matters the most due to frequency of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:16 PM
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Also what men PREFER is irrelevant I mean you can look at the articles I posted and they talk about the applied consequences of male mating preferences on men's behavior and women's outcomes. Most men in their 40s cannot get a relationship with a woman in their 20s unless they are rich or go where women are poor. Who said we were talking about men in their 40s? These laws are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:15 PM
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Men only improve with age if they have money The association between increased age and increasing income is pretty universal The average age gap for marriage today is 2-3 years and not all people even want to marry! And that's an indication that assortive mating tracks with the fertility premium and the earnings premium of each respective sex. Also speaking in super-minorities isn't useful for any normative analysis So which womennin their 40s CAN'T get a relationship IF they want? It's easy. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:48 PM
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There really isn't if a woman stays fit and attractive "for every year a woman ages, she must earn $7,000 more annually to remain equally attractive to potential partners." "The available evidence suggests that heterosexual women tend to prefer men who are the same age or a bit older than themselves, but typically not more than 10 years older; while men tend to prefer women who are in their mid-20s, regardless of their own age" Because the prevailing standard of beauty favors young women, the ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:40 PM
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It doesn't infuriate them because it's just reality lol. Acting like there isn't a reverse aging premium for women is one of the biggest copes I've ever seen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:30 AM
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Somewhat ironic considering how dissident branches (Gender-Critical, Pro-Life, Maternal, Libertarian, Imperial-Nationalist) of feminism are derided as antithetical to feminism lmao. You don't see this at all to the same extent as other socio-political projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:18 PM
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The psuedo-mind reading is crazy ngl. You're the one in desperate need of critical thinking lmao. Not my fault you can't engage in straight-forward ethical discussions lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:34 PM
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As if that's a bad thing? Child support is based. It's just funny seeing the rusty cogs in your brain try to ignore logic lmaoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:50 PM
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I totally agree. Women also consented by letting that happen to themselves. Thankfully as more states and countries restrict abortion we're increasingly celebrating sexual equality!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:05 PM
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I'm pro choice. Interesting though that you're anti-choice when it comes to men's autonomy. But since men don't carry pregnancies They don't, but they do carry an 18+ year financial obligation to a person they may not consent to sustain. Sound familiar? their choice is made when they choose to deposit their sperm into a woman's vagina. True. Women's choice is also made when they choose to let a man deposit their sperm in their vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:03 PM
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Is your body not your property?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:01 PM
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Trueeeeeeeeee! That's why abortion is immoral! Glad to see another pro-lifer
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:33 AM
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Well I mean, people try. With sovereign citizens. That's kind of what men are trying to do here. You pay taxes because you are in a contract with the state to enforce the law and give you public benefits. You do not pay taxes on the assumption you get nothing in return. You receive the majesty of parenthood of course. Not a public benefit That money is going to a stranger who you don't consent to give your money to. If you had consensual sex... you entered into an agreement to perform an act tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:38 AM
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Except: I have not relinquished citizenship and have chosen to remain in the country with those taxes I directly receive public services in return Through representative democracy, I am in a mutual-consent based agreement with the government, not the individual My obligations relinquish my property to the state are separate to an obligation to relinquish my property to an individual with whom I have not committed a crime against and who I don't consent to entering agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:39 PM
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When I'm in a based competition and my opponent is -Shes-A-Carnival
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:20 PM
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Based pro-lifer argument?!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:16 PM
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As someone who is pro-life, I love the olympic levels of mental gymnastics many pro-choice people use to justify why property rights magically don't apply to any other circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:15 PM
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Thompson's Violinist argument: You are not morally required to support someone's welfare through an extreme surrender of your property rights (bodily autonomy = property rights over your own body) Thompson's Violinist argument applied to child support: You are not morally required to support someone's welfare through an extreme surrender of your property rights (your money is your property) Therefore, men have their property rights taken away through child support payment. Support for abortion b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:11 PM
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There needs to be a new rule on this sub where if you make a broad general claim, you have to use an actual study to back it up. It makes any good dialogue impossible when it's always feels vs reels
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:20 PM
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Which is why it's ironic when Blue Pill and Pink Pill women try to act like they don't have the same vitriol as the Redpillers they deride lmao. They don't even use empiricism either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:18 PM
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Pretty much all available data supports that partnered and particularly married women score highest on happiness so idk why mfs just wanna use anecdotal evidence about pretty easy to study phenomena. You are right though that better childcare policies would improve the mating market. Biden's expanded child tax credit was based af and should be restored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:15 PM
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I'd genuinely start tweaking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:24 AM
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Polygamous societies have terrible issues with co-wife rivalry and competition. It's part of the reason why it's civilizationally maladaptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 09:40 AM
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Holy based
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 09:37 AM
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My interpretation was that your original comment of "paying for everything" was non-literal, and therefore would encompass low-income people and therefore low-income = manchild.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 01:41 AM
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I'm sorry but are you broke or something? Because I don't know why you're so on the defense. How am I on the defense for bringing up U-3 unemployment. I just find classism weird. I was just saying men who don't want to bring in an income are lazy irresponsible if it's supposed to be a 50/50 relationship and he just wants to lay around all day while his gf/wife goes to work. And she wants him to get a job but he isn't trying hard enough. You didn't say that originally and that's why I commented. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 01:15 AM
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In a way, they are. In traditional gender roles a man’s values tied to his ability to secure resources through his labor or capital. Some men are born wealthy, others must toil. So if you're a bricklayer making $30,000 a year and you acquire inadequate capital you're the same as a hikkikomori? Got it. Saying "In a way, they are" is literally useless in the point I was making lmao. You are not a "man-child" for being inherently low-income. That's probably one of the most entropic comments I've se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:50 AM
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U-3 unemployment is at like 3% in America. "no-income" men being defined as NEET or NILF isn't even a sizable minority of the population to talk about in a normative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:43 AM
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Low-income men are man-children? Idk what to say at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:53 PM
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Just leaving this here so people can have actually empirical conversations instead of just talking past each other. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4411207
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:24 PM
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“Yeah, not gonna sift through pages of irrelevancy to find one snippet that helps you feel less out of touch.” You joined a subreddit about debating romance and refuse to engage in empirical conversation lmaooo 🤡 “It absolutely does, but doesn't change the fact that people who go out and have fun often don't share in your struggle.” Ooh but you wouldn’t know that though since you can’t read an abstract. “I have mushrooms at home and acid in the freezer” Checks out “they clearly haven't opened yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 05:17 PM
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What is with this pseudo-psychoanalysis ad hominems of people’s opinions on romance lmaooo Like I’m sorry that the sociological literature agrees with me lol: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0265407514525886 https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/items/43ece989-6976-4c57-ba19-0c21b31994a2 Damn all that alcohol killing your liver and your brain lol. Take some psychedelics instead to open your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 04:45 PM
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The current public policy revolving around alcohol and the nightlife economy is a major part of the reason why dating is difficult. The lack of genuinely meaningful socialization in a context of sobriety and working through insecurities to socialize is the cause for a large number of problems. The nightlife as it exists now is not conducive to a rooted appreciation of romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 07:49 AM
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Intelligence is undeniably the most important aspect in any partner tbh. People talk a lot about “emotional intelligence”, and “communication” in relationships, but that’s largely irrelevant if people don’t have the cognitive facilities to understand basic and complex ethics and motivations. For example let’s say you and your partner have a verbal disagreement over a pet peeve, lifestyle difference, or over communication styles and attachment. If your partner is either ignorant about how you fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:08 PM
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Human history is 100,000 years old. How old is marriage? Come on, man. The earliest marriage is 4,000 years old. Yes my apologies, in the last 2,000 years of human history. And none of these threads are about me or you, but I admit I’m fascinated by people with willfully erroneous ideas about science and history. Replying to me in multiple threads after losing an argument is crazy ngl. Keep coping though dawg, it won't change ignorance smh smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 01:34 AM
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Look up how many founding fathers had syphilis, illegate children of multiple races, how many past and present clergy had sex scandals, and how many “premature” births which “miraculously” survived for generations prior to the life saving measures available in the late 1980s. Das crazy dawg. None of that changes the fact that the majority of people were virgins before marriage throughout human history. I don't know why you're bringing up cosmopolitan sex scandals as an indication of the average …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 01:26 AM
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You went so far down the field the goalpost isn't even on the horizon lmao. My original comment was about sexual double standards and then you commented about historically orphanaged children being from promiscuous men, and now you're falling back to "premarital sex happened in history" lmaoooo. Nice one dawg, but just give yourself like 3 days and you won't feel as embarrassed. But you didn’t need articles which support your conservative ideology, common sense is sufficient. I mean the common s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 01:20 AM
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Is this "we" in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:13 AM
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Bait used to be believable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:59 PM
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Bro is scrambling in 4k for any rebuttal that doesn't deal with how his thesis was disproven lol. I'd like to ask you then. Since I'm apparently unfamiliar with brothels in twentienth century Western civilization, show me any historiographical evidence that shows they were frequented recreationally at the time by a majority of people. Otherwise this is pretty sad ngl. PPD mfs just be ignorant af.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:51 PM
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Look up "cultural evolutionary theory". Might help you grasp the concept of how behaviors change from complex system movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:45 PM
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Do you know how many brothels there were back then? I wouldn't trust you to tell me considering how you got sexual partner counts wrong lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:43 PM
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Curious, why can’t you do this research yourself? Well, I can actually. You were the one who suggested that orphanages = births from promiscuous men. That's a very specific claim. Or rather, where were you during discussions of colonialism, genetic inheritance, and sexually transmitted infections? This isn't the own you think it is lil bro. You posted an article about how to find out illegitimate ancestors from familysearch.org (lmfao), an article that only mentions how promiscuity was common un…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:29 PM
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You ignored what I posted, which makes sense because it would be a burn to your ego, but I'll put the main evidence here for intellectually honest people: "In 1900 almost no unmarried teenage girl engaged in premarital sex, only a paltry 6%—. By 2002 a large majority (roughly 75%) had experienced this."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:09 PM
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Lmao a study in medieval France is the substantive source for all human history in all cultures? I got papers on the Ottoman Empire, the Netherlands, England, Ireland, and India. If you actually looked at sexual historical literature cross-culturally you would not see male promiscuity as something that was something men did on the down low without reprecussions. You don’t even need to go to history. Right now you can go to Afghanistan and see for yourself how male/female promiscuity is treated. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:06 PM
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Unwanted children existing isn’t empirical or even substantial evidence that they were from non-marital and extra-marital relations. If you have any sources, send em.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:32 PM
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Damn das crazy. A subculture existed and therefore is empirical evidence. Nice try though http://pareto.uab.es/nguner/gg-ier.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:31 PM
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Lmaooo, the idea that male promiscuity (even secretive) wasn't frowned upon shows an immense historical illiteracy that's quite baffling even if predictable: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265950325_The_Opposite_of_the_Double_Standard_Gender_Marriage_and_Adultery_Prosecution_in_Late_Medieval_France The discourse and value of comments on this sub would increase exponentially if there was a rule that you had to actually put forth even the smallest bit of evidence to support the shit you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:12 PM
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This is abjectly wrong. Idk why people on this sub just say shit about history, economics, culture, and politics with 0 understanding of reality. If you genuinely think premarital and extramarital sex was as common as even the 1920s you're out of your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:58 PM
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In her defense, a lot of men that I’ve seen have made fun of petite women over a lack of “exaggerated femininity”, particularly for small breasts and butt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 06:45 AM
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So we've learned from your tacit admission that: 1) Gender relations are a zero-sum game and co-operation is impossible 2) Marriage markets, household formation, and family units are not things men or women desire, therefore men's interests are irrelevant 3). Women intentionally had consciousness of their oppression and decided to maintain it for some reason Ngl you could use some free college and take a intro sociology class lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:47 PM
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Actually it's more like: Women - "Why are modern men so broke, unambitious, uncommital, and lazy? Assortive hypogamous mating is so increasingly difficult nowadays. I will now complain about how men don't want to pay for dates and don't work" Men - "Have you ever thought of directing your attention to the root of the economic dislocation of men throughout the political economy?" You (Woman): "Idk what means, pragmatics compassion? Some type of fruit?" Funny how you proved my point in 4K lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:31 PM
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The unborn have no rights, full stop. Well, legally and morally you'd be wrong, as most pro-choicers support gestational restrictions on abortion after 12 weeks at the earliest and the vast majority support 24 week restrictions. You have no inherent right to occupy someone else’s body against their will. Well actually yeah, they kinda do. Parents have special responsibilities to children, and fetuses are children, and just as we press charges on parents who abandon their children and kick them o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:28 PM
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You “fundamentally disagreeing” with something is irrelevant Not really, when the issue at hand is philosophical, you can't appeal to a reproductive right to something that would be impermissible. the NSDAP “fundamentally disagreed” with the right of Jews to stay alive. Jewish people's unique right to life is not for debate by any serious philosophical school. It's why academic philosophers don't take Nazi "ethics" seriously. The entire existence of a widespread acknowledged, adhered, consistent…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:11 PM
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I mean what does "caring" do? Holding an opinion = normalization of the opinion on broader scale which can lead to electoral mobilization and public influence. Same way caring about the right for women to open bank accounts does a lot. Caring doesn't motivate men to go to college. Caring about solving the Opioid Epidemic, the school to prison pipeline, behavioral problems in children, mass incarceration, and family structure certainly would. Women are more likely to vote democratic and are in tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:05 PM
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You can use all the jargon and euphemisms you want Socology is jargon now? Oh no. taking reproductive and freedom of association rights away from an entire gender is still a totalitarian idea. I mean, I fundamentally disagree with the idea that there is a "reproductive right" to abortion. Also, since we infringe on people's association rights in family law all the time (spousal alimony and child support), doesn't seem to be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 10:53 PM
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…You literally just described bio politics and social control…which is a form of governance that literally every form of government uses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 10:46 PM
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Totalitarianism is when you improve the social ecology apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 09:45 PM
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Women aren’t going to willingly vote for things that disadvantage them. Actually, the introduction of unilateral and No-Fault Divorce, as well as sexual liberalism has disproportionately harmed women's economic and social standing. I can give articles if needed but the academic literature on their effects is pretty uniform across mating market and economic literature.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 09:44 PM
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I guess men shouldn't care about women's economic empowerment then as well? Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 09:42 PM
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Average women (just like average men) are not interested in public policy or the political economy. He’s referring to women taking active interest in actually sustaining the mating value of men (and the suitability of romantic relationships) through improving men’s economic mobility and human capital. Instead of what most women do now, which is use their sub-90 IQ and pop dating discourse to berate men for failing their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:58 PM
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The restriction on abortion rights in the United States will do a good job in returning the sexual marketplace back in the favor of committed relationships, as well as a decrease in non-marital fertility over the long-term. Hopefully the Republican Party can increasingly shift towards getting rid of unilateral and No-Fault Divorce in order to repair the damage done to the mating market. Increasing national labor productivity and securing the welfare regime would also do well to increase societal…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:53 PM
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Don’t put words in my mouth. You’ve moved the goalposts from finding a man to now finding a soulmate. This is literally what you said: "The women in this video aren’t the ones who will struggle in their 30’s." You specifically said young attractive women will not struggle with "dating" (which involves long-term romantic relationships). I wasn't talking about soulmates. This is obviously incorrect. But yes; even the high n count women have an easier time finding a soulmate. Any evidence that sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:21 PM
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So the bar is "finding men", and not having a successful, long-lasting, and flourishing relationship? By that definition, weird nerdy women won't "struggle" with dating if the bar is so low as to "finding a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 04:53 PM
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Have no idea what the relevance to the video is. You act as if hot and popular women can't also get into relationships with unreliable men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 04:27 PM
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The women in this video aren’t the ones who will struggle in their 30’s. These women are hot and popular. Tell me you don't know human behavior and legal institutions without telling me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 12:48 AM
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The men complaining about "the downfall of the west due to promiscuity" on the internet are not usually in the same social circles as these attractive young women who like to dance in public. I kinda respect how much the goalposts shift. You went from: "dudes commenting on the internet" to "men complaining about sexual degeneracy" lmao. The reality is that the men who either actively participate in the manosphere or are just lay-persons who see and agree with their content on Instagram and TikTo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 11:17 PM
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People of all walks of life complain about dating. If you see only videos of women complaining your probably seeking them out or your algorithm is skewed towards showing that content. The statistics on infidelity, cohabitation, and declining marriage should speak volumes in of itself. The dating woes people complain about now are of different nature, magnitude and popularity than previously. But are these girls specifically the ones you see complaining about dating or how they have hard time get…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 10:35 PM
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What do you mean by this? Do you think their peers like follow gen z males will refuse to date them or these girls will have hard time getting bfs? Considering the amount of self-reporting women give on their dating woes, it seems like it'll just be exacerbated. What do you mean by high status men? Sport stars, ceos, Hollywood stars etc, think would have strong opinion against these girls or something. High-status men are not just the 1%. They can be popular children at school, they can be manag…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 10:11 PM
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The manosphere does have an effect, just not on the relationship status of hot, white college girls. All these girls can get married if they want, probably to an attractive guy too. Hot, white, college girls are effected by the manosphere. The men they want to date will increasingly defer to either serial cohabitation or sexual promiscuity. Sociological literature since the early 2000s has been talking about the marginalization of female courtship preferences in the era of hookup culture. Also, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 10:06 PM
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You can have whatever personal standards you want but acting like these young, conventionally attractive white girls are going to be single because of this is just delusional. They won't just be "single", they'll just be increasingly marginalized in the mating market and socially degraded due to increasing normalization of cultural misogyny among men. Like, you can ignore this as much as you want, but the reality is that the cultural scripts have changed even from just 4 years ago. Either the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 09:24 PM
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“And look, women catch feelings sooner and their default position is to gravitate towards commitment. We all know that, you know that. Don't come here pretending you're surprised of this.” This is self-proclaimed “emotionally intelligent” sex btw
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 04:24 PM
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this kind of proves my point with the overthinking, imo. The reason we have overthinking, attachment issues, and playing games, is because we live in a social climate of sexual-romantic anarchy. Most people don't have the luxury of "going with the flow" when the structures of courtship have been increasingly gameified due to technological and cultural shifts. Maybe we could live in that world sometime in the future, but right now that's not really possible. I think standardizing dating in such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 01:34 AM
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Is 10 the magic number for satisfaction? Actually it's virginity first, then 3 sexual partners. You compared fiction novels to real life in a very subjective way. You’re not really offering solutions but a singular perspective of the right way. I wasn't talking about public policy, I was talking about metaphysics. If you wanna talk public policy, there's plenty of solutions. Whether or not people find them okay is another thing. Where did you read that less partners equals higher satisfaction? S…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 12:35 AM
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But this is real life, not fiction. You didn't read what I wrote By less partners, what do you mean? I haven’t had sex with 50-60 ppl lol!! You've had sex with more than 10 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 11:35 PM
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I also think it may come from a place of undeserved arrogance. I mean, less sexual partners is correlated (plausibly casual) with higher sexual and relationship satisfaction. That may be "undeserved", but romantic-sexual conservatism seems to be the maximally best way to satisfy human eros. It's more of a metaphysical position of mine, but the idea of lifelong romantic-sexual union between partners seems to be perverted by previous romantic and sexual liaisons, and weakens the fulfillment of spi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 11:01 PM
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I’ve probably been on 50-60 dates in my live, had 10 gfs for 6+ months Sometimes despite being a hopeless romantic idealist, I'm kinda happy that I'm not like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 10:26 PM
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Women lie. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:22 PM
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People aren't socializing because cheap leisure is often times more exciting than other people, or other people are famously unreliable. Other people just don't take responsibility for how boring they can be that there's a social withdrawal crisis lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:27 PM
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Real shit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:02 PM
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"The internet isn't real life" "The residents of PPD are the hegemony of cultural narratives"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:48 PM
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It gets worse for everyone else. It will be worse for your children until we reach the Transhumanist future that will naturally self-correct for the socially liberal hellscape we live in now. The societal trends are bleak for the marriage market in nearly every facet. Find quietism and build your own garden, because everyone else’s is dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 02:04 PM
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Oh my god, you people have no idea how objectification works. Honestly for as liberal feminist people are on this sub, they do not actually engage in feminist theory and it’s terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:31 AM
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Who said I would whine??? If the dating ecology incentivized playing games, that’s what you have to adapt to. Everyone’s been doing it for a while now. It’s not a moral prescription, it’s a description of fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:32 PM
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Except people do actively choose to play hard to get or to mask their desire. It’s widely documented that people play hot and cold and downplay reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:07 AM
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What if the dating ecology forces you to play your own games and entertain other peoples games?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:51 AM
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Both female and male sexual strategies (and therefore most men and women) revolve around “playing games”. It’s bargaining tactics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:46 AM
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The only actually good comment in this whole thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 01:36 PM
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Comments like this remind me of how amazing a life I live not acting like this lmao. Fascinating that people don't feel embarrassed doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:56 PM
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“Women generally care more about their own survival than the survival of the species.” Accidental patriarchy justification lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:31 AM
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The gamification of romance and it’s consequences https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/15274764211052660 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/02632764221078258
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:30 AM
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The institutions and social ecology that is favorable to monogamy is dying, much like our culture Watch out for these trends that will continue to accelerate The decline of marriage is a self-fulfilling cycle because a higher population of singles has an effect on the number of divorces The increasing normalization of infidelity, casual sex in popular culture, which causes higher intentions for infidelity The rise of A.I and sex robots in the coming years will lead to emotional infidelity toward…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:49 AM
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Because: https://bristoluniversitypressdigital.com/view/journals/emsoc/aop/article-10.1332-263169021X16740853641050/article-10.1332-263169021X16740853641050.xml The one who breaks last wins
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:01 PM
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“The world is unfair, therefore it is moral” Very insightful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:12 AM
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These people still genuinely think these attitudes men hold are a reaction to low mating value, when there’s literally no evidence for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:31 AM
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Is this “wife” in the room with us now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:05 AM
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So Reaganomics style “a rising tide floats all boats” philosophy? Yeah essentially, at least for the modern conservative movement (which is significantly different from conservatism of especially pre-war America) American conservatism is much different from conservative traditions globally, especially in the rest of the Anglo sphere. Europe is much more known for its tradition of Christian democracy. My understanding of conservativism and lassaize faire liberalism is that the central tenets are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:19 AM
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You literally didn’t ask me anything. You just responded to the other person. It’s not in my reply notifications. Take your meds lil bro
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:08 AM
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I literally did answer. Also it's not spam to simply tell someone they're obviously wrong about the motivations of someone's ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:52 AM
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I'm a traditionalist (paternalistic) conservative so I have little friendship with most on the American individualist right. However, while many conservatives are often not compassionate, literally so much of right-wing (especially libertarian) philosophy, rhetoric, and public policy is based on principles of lifting yourself up. Economic liberalism, entrepreneurialism, non-interventionism, personal responsibility, anti-welfare state. While a shitload of these attitudes are cringe and misguided,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:01 AM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:54 AM
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In France, affairs are considered a private matter. Maybe we should just accept affairs are apart of modern relationships considering how common it is instead of living in a make believe world of forever monogamy? And that it isn't the end of a relationship, but just an inevitable bump on the road? With all this tech and social media, having an affair is easier than it has ever been and its only going to get worse. It's far more better to destigmatise affairs, than overeact and breakup the famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:50 AM
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Huggggee oversimplication and bad-faith but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 06:21 AM
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No-fault and unilateral divorce and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the social ecology
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 10:28 AM
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Greek life is not the source of all parties. There are all kinds of off-campus parties that can be attended. Greek life is the party hegemony in higher education and predictor of alcohol use and facilitation. Irregardless, non-Greek off-campus parties are not immune to state, local, or federal changes in alcohol laws, which is what I argue for. ​ Hard disagree. If alcohol consumption were normalized, I think binge drinking would decrease. Daily casual drinking might increase, but I don't think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:50 PM
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It just doesn't lol. You sure about that? I'll be waiting patiently for you to give me a study that disproves years of research in supply-demand, alcohol/substance literautre, and common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 07:05 PM
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​ Colleges will never have control over off-campus parties. Well they did and it worked pretty well. They could easily control off-campus parties by controlling Greek Life, but the students wouldn't want what's best for them because they're dumb af and College has become about hedonistic partying rather than learning. ​ I suggest that the reason why there is craziness at parties is because of binge drinking culture due to young people rarely being able to get their hands on alcohol. They binge d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:45 PM
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The 21 age limit for buying alcohol isn’t the problem. It works and it works very well. The problem is that colleges had consistently reduced control over student and party culture as well as increasingly parties taking place outside the purveys of campus. Alcohol restrictions should remain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:12 PM
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Uhhh…yeah. There’s a very obvious casual link. And it’s also cancerous af.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:08 PM
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Google Scholar and Researchgate are your friend
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:57 PM
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I would say liberally that only 3% of the people on this subreddit actively read studies about the things they talk about regarding this sub (the marriage market, romance, sexual attraction, socio-cultural evolution, etc.) I do a lot of reading and it's very apparent that people who don't bring up studies at all haven't read any.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:35 PM
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Redditors love humble-bragging, lying, LARPing, or exaggerating shit online. Also reinforced my previous conclusions that people refuse to educate themselves on stuff they argue about and parade consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:25 PM
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Nice try but no cigar. That comment was specifically in reference to the topic at hand, which was births from single parents, not births in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:16 AM
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I'm sorry you were caught in religious nuts conservative ideas I'm an agnostic atheist honey, but go off ​ All that you did is too far away from reality and I feel sorry that you are so obsessed with other men's dicks lol Always beautiful to see another person from this sub lacking in the ability to respond to empiricism lmao. ​ Have fun with all this I do be chuckling a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:09 AM
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That's not true what are you on Reality lil bro ​ There's contraceptives, like you mentioned. ​ Damn. You got me there. It could never be the case that socially liberal sexual scripts and permissiveness could negate the positive effects of contraceptive access! Oh wait... ​ Also most single parents are people who divorced or broke up What are you on about lmaooo. The overwhelming majority of births to children are from never-married and unmarried women. Also the majority of abortions are from wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 11:09 PM
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Well…yeah lmao. Casual does lead to single-parenthood lol. Women who freely enjoy sex often get unplanned pregnancies and then drop out of school for a life of poverty. Obviously you wouldn’t care about those women because you’re more interested in “sexual liberation” rather than “women’s liberation” 🥱
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 09:36 PM
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Chadfishing would seem to prove you wrong lil bro lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:02 AM
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But if you think too optimistically, or if you go and look up videos of women explaining how to know if a woman's interested in you, it'll be 5% "here's how you'll know" and 95% "except when that's not true because it's 50 million other things with the same physical behaviours The problem with a lot of those videos is that they're based on when you've already made contact with the woman, such as during talking stages and such. Since they don't spend a lot of time on before you've met, they're no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:06 PM
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Fair. Good consistency
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:27 PM
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“Only sexual assault if it is unwanted.“ I uh, don’t think you know what sexual assault is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:43 PM
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“ Had 4 experiences where women walked right up to me at a bar and started making out with me without saying a word.” So you got sexually assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:26 PM
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“No, you cowardly wait around and hope that she is risking a rejection by sending clear signals that don't lead to your action of approaching her.“ Thank you for describing most women as cowards!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:37 PM
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Yes, yes they are. They don’t wanna give up any bargaining power.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:38 PM
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There’s a lot of good studies out there on Google Scholar and Researchgate about women’s indirect and nonverbal communication of interest if you’re curious about the phenomena. Essentially though, giving and receiving eye contact from across a room is hot and a good way to build attraction between two confederates. Either way, unfortunately most women will expect you to make the first move, and even when they make the first move, they expect you to carry the conversation, so be direct to not was…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:09 PM
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It's been a welcome trend seeing people recognize just how intellectually bankrupt many feminists/women are who subscribe to this sort of rationale. Unfortunately the cognitive dissonance remains for many, but it just harms them the longer they ignore their own incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:15 AM
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The responses by bluepillers in the comments are pretty hilarious because if this post was modified to center women as the victim and it was posted in TwoX, no one would say: “bad people exist, news at 11”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:58 PM
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First of all yes, and second of all that doesn't really matter. We're talking about women as a generality, not highly physically attractive and socially hegemonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:02 PM
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Don’t worry dawg, this is yet another common PPD women L. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2008-00466-005 Don’t forget that two of the best predictors for mate success as a man is being a father and muscularity lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:21 PM
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Someone should post that meme about the looksmaxx users looking like actual chads vs the inceltears users looking like Reddit neckbeards
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:26 AM
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Bro literally thinks beauty isn’t a depreciating asset.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:21 AM
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The “Sassy Man Epidemic” is literally just men asking to be respected and treated with dignity in the courtship process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:49 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5795598/ Prettty common
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:30 AM
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“And sex with randoms isn’t usually any good.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:18 AM
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“When I was younger I did cuz I thought it would make me happy. When I realized it didn’t, I stopped doing it.“ Ah yes I’m sure you stopped doing it after one bad experience lol. “Guess for some women it makes them happy“ Then don’t try to speak for all women when you say casual sex isn’t worth it. Clearly it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:12 AM
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It’s fun to not orgasm and be treated as a fleshlight? Lmao, to each their own. I guess we really shouldn’t expect too much of women’s behavioral capabilities, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:07 AM
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If sex with randos isn’t good for women, why are they doing it so much? And why are they doing it on repeat??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:55 AM
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All of that and yet women still have oodles of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:33 AM
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The stagnation comes “after” the booms. The booms could keep going for longer and the stagnations would be less painful if there was demographic sustainability loool. ​ And here we are in the stagnation Interesting how you switched from: "population decline lead to huge wage increases for the qualified and skilled workers. They use those wages to buy bigger homes, hire help and also have bigger families that they can afford to house and feed." to: "here we are in the stagnation" Why would there …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 05:35 PM
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40 years ago Chinas streets were full of bicycles- now it’s cars. Ahhh, good to see you ignored what you posted previously. Notice how you take China from 1980s (which benefitted from replacement fertility and a lopsided young population for the entirety of its economic boom) and compare it to a more developed China from now (who is now at a fertility rate of 1.1 and decreasing)? Seems like you're explicitly ignoring the very very obvious economic stagnation that is resulting from their demograp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 05:18 PM
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Lmaooo sure buddy. I’m waiting on that huge standard of living boost for Japan, China, and South Korea. Let me know when it comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:40 PM
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“arguments about population decline were designed to specifically be racist“ Ah yes, all evidence based reasons why demographic decline is a serious societal and economic issue is based on the great replacement conspiracy. It’s not like we should we worried about a decreased labor force and lopsided dependency ratio. It’s all literally racism. I swear you people can’t even process your own thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:38 PM
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You’re not an intellectual for parroting the same uncritical ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:33 PM
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No right to be that based
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 03:00 PM
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…It’s not being done because no one knows about it and because the ones advocating for some type of character education are also advocating for creationism in schools and mandated school prayer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:06 PM
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Uhhhh, probably because it wouldn't pass any constitutional test in this universe. Also because no one should care about Jesus's stories in a vacuum. Character education is much easier and applicable in a secular context where we're not using theology to teach the lessons.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 09:21 AM
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Physical attractiveness for women is associated with a lower body count
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:40 PM
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It’s not just bullying, it’s all anti-social behavior and practices that gets you popularity. Which is why I’m in favor of reintroducing a secular form of character education which we used to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:21 PM
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I’ve read some pretty good studies on male relationship initiation in the post MeToo era and that’s definitely a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:47 PM
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I discovered that there was a large percentage of single women, who were nearly impossible to meet, because they rarely went out, and when they did, they only went out with their girlfriends. This is the inherent problem with people who say to rely on dating apps and "sociability" including clubs, bars, and parties. You're limiting your pool of dating to those who nearly exclusively participate in the nightlife economy (who are often not relationship material).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:52 PM
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I'd be curious for testimony from other women about how often they get cold approached in general, and if it's declined post-COVID.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:48 PM
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What’s the difference with the Chad friends
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:35 AM
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When you see a video on Instagram about a far-right rally in Italy where all the comments are xenophobic and have 30,000+ likes, is your rational response to say they’re just trolling and fishing for likes and none of them actually believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 04:04 PM
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Because admitting that human beings who you see everyday are also the same people who are honest online is really really difficult for them to explain
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:13 PM
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Benevolent sexism is just a sociologically friendly way of saying gynocentrism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 05:23 AM
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Interracial dating is unironically based
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:01 AM
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To become a “man”, he must become an ubermensch. To become a woman, she must exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:52 AM
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“I have argued that late bloomer men are entitled to have sex outside of committed relationships while within committed relationships, up to and including extramarital sex.” I respect the shitpost soldier. Keep it going o7
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:52 PM
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Physical appearance isn’t the be all end all of attraction though. If you check the Scientific Blackpill for example, it explicitly mentions female mate preferences that can be learned and adapted, such as the Dark Triad. Confidence and is a meme for sure, but it does actually improve mate outcomes (part of the Dark Triad) as well as sociosexuality. It’s kind of like saying a civilization’s success is entirely reliant to the ecological environment, without taking into factor everything else that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:24 PM
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“One journal” lmao. This is a consistent reporting in female expectations of socio-emotional masculinity. Like how women’s sexual arousal is affected by their partner’s depression but not men’s lol. Men care about gender dichotomies because women care about them lol. Social constructivism really does destroy the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:17 PM
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Ummmmm…so you’re wrong lol: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Danielle-Zandbergen-2/publication/324787001_Female_Choice_and_Male_Stoicism/links/60369fc1a6fdcc37a84d9a11/Female-Choice-and-Male-Stoicism.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:12 PM
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Well yeah, but if the 5 has at least some of his looks under the locus of control, he can theoretically improve and go from an ugly 5 to an average 7. He can’t control his height for example, but muscularity is the most consistent measure for male reproductive success and he can control that. I do agree though that certain people across society seem to either deny or downplay lookism and chalk things up to lack of “personality” (which is actually a stand-in for moral character) Though my problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:03 PM
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Now can you tell me what happens when the 5 looksmaxxes to a 7? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:52 PM
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Nah, you can still “looksmaxx” as an ugly person and see results, but while I disagree with appearance-determinism, it is true that many traits of mate value are entirely out of peoples control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:43 PM
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This is something I don’t think people (especially on this sub) actually recognize. In the labor market, you need to work to sustain an independent lifestyle. There is no room for idealism in a pragmatic economic reality. You try to take the best job possible, but you’ll take any job over none. This is not the same with the mate market. You are not required to have a relationship to sustain yourself irregardless of gender (in most cases of the developed world). Because you are not economically p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:51 AM
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Receipts is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:04 AM
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Because a large percent of the labor force participation of women is not just because of reproductive liberty and of the removal of laws against female economic independence. The returns of marriage for women have dramatically declined since the institution of unilateral and no-fault divorce. Most of the female desire for education and career advancement isn’t entirely from a drive for independence. It’s an explicit response to unsavory marriage returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:32 AM
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The world is healing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:23 AM
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Me explaining to the people of this subreddit how putting security cameras on public and private property reduces the incidence of crime through deterrence:
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:13 AM
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Oh really? You’ve clearly never been to a corporate party… Ah yes, the famous corporate parties where Marilyn Monroe has spontaneous wild sex with the discord mod. ​ I’m not going to mate guard anyone when they are grown ass people who should be in a relationship and remain faithful because they want to Part of the reason people stay faithful is because they want to...but guess what? Place them in environments where alternative attractive partners exist, the other partner doesn't mate guard, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:11 AM
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If they want to cheat on you, then they will. Notice how you didn't address the point? Seems like you know I'm right lmao. A woman may cheat on her man with Henry Cavil but not the 250 pound neckbeard gamer. That's not "if they want to cheat on you, then they will". THEY CHEAT BECAUSE THE INCENTIVE AND SETTING IS TUNED. ​ Should women just never set foot outside because there are men everywhere? Should I change my career because it’s a male dominated field? Where does it end? Failed slippery-slo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:49 AM
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Just remember OP, you are in a monogamous relationship where you set boundaries over other peoples sexual behavior. If people have a problem with you setting boundaries over lifestyle behavior, they necessarily must have a problem with monogamy https://philpapers.org/rec/CHAIMM-2
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:39 AM
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Do you people genuinely just not understand how behavioral incentives work? Do you think I’m more likely to buy a soda at a restaurant or just spontaneously purchase one online? This is intra-relational bargaining 101. We have disagreements and we fight over them. Even people who are restricted in sociosexuality can cheat if primed with enough influence. That influence is maximized in a club setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:37 AM
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To be fair, the men on this subreddit are far more adjusted than the redpill men on Instagram. Those men are…wow
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:03 PM
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Uhhh…yeah. I agree men are assumed the responsibility and accountability which is often unfair. If it’s not worth it though…don’t do it lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:36 PM
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Men should just approach when and if they want to. Some women are asocial losers who never want human contact, and others are open to approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:54 PM
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Redpill: The restriction of legal abortion (besides just saving babies) will likely improve the mating market by incentivizing female reproductive responsibility as well as chipping away at cultural gynocentrism. Bluepill: A significant amount of the problems with modern dating is the direct effect of maladaptive politico-economic organization and the intergenerational consequences thereafter; rather than specifically just human nature and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:50 PM
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Assuming something has been lost in translation, but it appears you’re referring to social venues and social events which are designed expressly for… brace yourself: socializing. Oh cool! So you agree that cold approaching (night-game) is a function of the nightlife economy and is therefore a useful strategy for relational initiation! Took long enough. ​ Or, and hear me out, you could actually make friends and go out and do the work of networking and socializing instead of just reading about it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:33 AM
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If it were successful, cold approachers wouldn’t have such a dismal success rate. Can you show me any study or videos about cold approach effectiveness based on male solicitor physical attractiveness? If you can't then you're just going off reddit posts from men of unknown attractiveness line detail. ​ Strange how RP men hold so many competing ideas simultaneously. Oh brotherrrr the yap Empress is gonna read an edict lmao ​ Social proof is important to women, so why do loners spend entire days w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 02:17 AM
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It’s likely that a good looking man has a social sphere and knows that social events are more conducive to meeting people Notice how you have to pivot? Impossible for you to admit that approaching strangers as an attractive man can lead to results lol. ​ chasing down and cornering lone women. ?!?!? Lmaoooo you Reddit neurotic hermit mfs crack me up. I genuinely pray you never get called as a witness in a trial lmao. No one can have worse perception and social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:33 AM
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Couldn't answer the question? Seems like you know the answer then. ​ "beg strangers for attention." Lol. Lmao even. Dawg doesn't go outside
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 12:11 AM
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I agree 100%. I don’t think she was disagreeing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 11:53 PM
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You wrote all that yap just to be wrong lmao. Show me a 6’4 man with a V body shape and a six pack politely ask 100 single women on the street for their number, and if less than 20 accept and give follow ups, I’ll take your side. For some reason people on Reddit take pride in being so unabashedly wrong. It’s pretty sad tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 11:52 PM
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All she said was that you need to push conventional boundaries of interpersonal relations in order to maximize your success with women. A very refreshing take
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 11:46 PM
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Exactly. She’s a good person because she’s logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 11:07 PM
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Except that employers with those sorts of jobs to offer don't need to flail desperately about trolling around for suitors. Most cold approachers can just work within social circles. It's just an artificial barrier that precludes you making connections with the thousands of other people even in a given city. Employers who show up are different than employers who advertise. The ones who directly advertise to individuals will get more job acceptances. Also I like the language used: "flailing desper…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:33 PM
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If you were being sold an interview for a 6 figure paying job at exactly your skill set, would you entertain it? The answer is obviously yes you would. You may not want to entertain the Jehovah’s witnesses because most people are not interested in theology, but a potential romantic partner is something the vast majority of people would entertain, just like they would a job offer. It is insane how people don’t understand the difference between salesmen advertising unwanted vs wanted goods; Especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:05 PM
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You are a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:00 PM
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PPD women try to be intellectually honest challenge: (IMPOSSIBLE)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:24 AM
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“He paid with his looks” This is probably one of the most braindead and unaware comments I’ve seen on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:22 AM
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Object of Desire affirmation + masculine confidence = higher success rate. Unfortunately most of the communities based on cold approaching are cringe at best. Especially on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:20 PM
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Because people universally on the RP, BP, and PP debate (like most people) absolutely despise talking about public policy. To be entirely honest, reducing the obesity epidemic would probably noticeably improve the state of dating in the macro-scale even if everything else has and is getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:22 AM
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You’re trying to use social logic on an asocial. Doesn’t work unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:47 AM
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Dying Culture
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:36 AM
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Use sci-hub lil bro lmao. Or at least read this summary: https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-much-of-gen-z-will-be-unmarried-at-40
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:34 AM
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Mfs be like: “Touch grass” but can’t read lmao: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13524-020-00910-7
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:24 AM
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I would disagree that the social sciences are less accurate in their methodologies for study. For questions and claims such as: “Has MeToo changed courtship?” “Are looks most important for mate selection? In what ways?” “How important is economic organization is mate selection?” “What do men value most in a partner?” “Why are marriage rates declining?” Etc. These claims and arguments that have been rehashed constantly are incredibly easy to prove or disprove, it just takes even just cursory sear…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:35 AM
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This is really meta for this sub, but I genuinely think anytime a person makes a statement on this subreddit about anything broad and unspecific they should have to cite at least one (academic) source for why they came to that conclusion. Any response disagreeing should have to provide another academic source in response. The improvement to the discourse and intelligence of the people conducting it would be solved immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:57 AM
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“Just close your legs” reinvented
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:46 PM
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The sad part is that this person actually participates in democracy lmao. The person who cannot critically think is helping decide who shapes our lives lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:43 PM
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Property rights are bodily autonomy rights bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:39 PM
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The pro-choice bodily autonomy people on here are clowns lmao: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20502877.2018.1472853
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:36 PM
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The funny part is that it’s almost always either unattractive women, low-income women, terminally online narcissistic women, or women of high social aggression who do that. It’s just trying to artificially increase their bargaining power because it doesn’t speak for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 08:51 AM
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People trying to apply libertarian contractualism to what is supposed to be an institution of permanence will never not be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:37 PM
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Goat talk sister fr
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 11:08 PM
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Don’t worry dawg, you’re right: https://corinnelow.github.io/LowPBC.pdf The penalties to female aging makes premarital cohabitation much riskier and worse: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-87786-6_10
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 10:52 PM
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Honestly, there is a form of “affluenza” that afflicts highly attractive women. Not just in the form of conditional self-worth and classic objectification, but from female peer groups with intense hostility to them. You can look up the rich literature on hiring practices, female intrasexual competition, psychological acclamation etc. and see that at certain junctions being an attractive woman doesn’t give the social wages that people think. But also OP’s main arguments are pretty cringe. Beautif…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 03:53 AM
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People always give this pseudo-Luddite argument and it never works. The people 600 years ago who said the Printing Press would never replace handwritten books were wrong because most people universally value convenience and efficiency over unnecessary work. Humans want emotional connection, not necessarily connection with other “humans”. If you read any philosophy of A.I you’ll see constant debates about how an A.I or automation could be “humanized” with sufficient programming. If the internet a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:05 PM
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Bro just spedran losing a debate. I respect it tbh. There is no such thing as “forcing attraction” when much of attraction and respect is based on culture. Stop coping dawg
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:51 AM
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Most socially intelligent PPD user. It’s literally set up in a way more faithful to the verbatim words used. You’re trying too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:50 AM
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You think culture doesn’t affect the way we view ourselves and other ethno-national groups in positive and negative ways? Do you also not think culture plays a role in what people find attractive? You think it’s all biologically determined? Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:48 AM
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MFW someone points out my own ideological inconsistencies
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:44 AM
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“Why can’t black and colored people just cope with being disrespected instead of acting hostile and giving the emancipatory talk tho? Nothing you say or debate will ever make them epistemically respect you, least you can do is just accept shit for what it is.” Why do all these people become lolbertarian system justifiers when it comes to marriage markets but literally never anything else lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:43 AM
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Mfs can't even do on-the job training anymore without reddit losers pressed af lmaooo. I know some industries where you can actually be payed to make a fool of yourself though instead of doing it for free on this sub lol. Next clown showing in the next thread. See you there dawg.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:17 AM
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"While women may be attributed a relational orientation to sexuality (DeLamater, 1987), empirical studies have revealed that women often adopt an erotic self-focus, instead of a relational one, during sexual activities with a partner (for an overview: see Meana, 2010). This has led to the suggestion that female desire may be partly narcissistic in nature and that affirmation as an object of desire may be an important pathway to it for women" "In addition to self-evaluations, external affirmation…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:15 AM
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When I get back home, I’m gonna drop an article for people to read that proves you wrong and OP right. Idk why PPD women are the way they are but please…never change. I love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:17 PM
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Real
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 12:58 PM
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The crazy thing is, even if he was attractive, often times other female friends get envious of their companions romantic success and will try to derogate the love-interest. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29298627/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:34 AM
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Mfs be forgetting that women have group chats, private stories, and Snapchat lmao. The fear is absolutely justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:30 AM
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The White feather and cultural misandry in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:07 PM
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People will defend anti-social behavior if it means they can get some clout to their peers smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:20 AM
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Women shouldn’t fancy men who have a Madonna-whore complex and men shouldn’t fancy women who explicitly have a “beta-alpha complex”. It’s anti-dignitarian and it leads to dysfunctional ways people view each other. People don’t seem to understand this unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:02 AM
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Disclosing sexual orientation isn’t relevant to sexual decision making. Disclosing health related information like STDs is important for consent. Not sexual orientation lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:09 PM
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I mean...you're welcome to match my study with a study of your own, but right now you're just an anecodote supremacist and that doesn't bode well for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:26 PM
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Not sure why you'd assume my gender, but I'm just stating empirical facts. It's very very easy to tell when people are coping. It just so happens to be the case that women like to cope about being "so much happier" single. I don't care about revenge fantasies, I just enjoy letting people of all stripes know that I know they're lying, and I want other people to know that they're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:40 PM
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The whole “single women are so happy” meme is legitimately as pathetic and cringe. It’s just those single women trying to rationalize and cope. Being involuntarily single has bad effects on women. Most “voluntarily” single women…are not actually voluntarily single. They’re just trying to make an identity to not look like a loser. https://ntnuopen.ntnu.no/ntnu-xmlui/handle/11250/2981321
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:19 PM
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Bro has a P.h.D in yappology
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:15 PM
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Unironically, the social dynamics of women’s relationships and conceptions of themselves is one of the primary reasons they have worse happiness and contribute less notably to civilization than men. That’s not even a misogyny thing. It’s legitimately terrible how women engage in intra-sexual relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:13 PM
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No it wasn't. You had to make up stuff Tate never said, like liking assertive women. LMAO. I literally said Tate didn't like assertive women, which is a factual fact. ​ As I said, Tate can desire a trad wife all he wants. But you know he doesn't stop there. Gotcha. The Feminist man who is also okay with men parading in public that they find women with male friends, assertive women, and sexually confident to be icky. Thank you for the consistency!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:41 AM
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Hypotheticals are only as useful as they are reflective of reality. Yeah...and mine was. You just didn't like the implications of it, so you ignored it. Which is fine, I didn't expect you to be honest about it. ​ He does not frame this as just being attracted to traits xyz. If you want to make a comparison you have to actually compare like things. Oh, okay cool. So if he did only just frame this as just being attracted to traits xyz that I described, you wouldn't have a problem with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:21 AM
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Her place is subservient to men according to Tate Good to see you didn't engage with the hypothetical again. To liken that to not liking men drinking Starbucks is insane on your part. Women: "I don't find it attractive when men deviate from the norms of hegemonic masculinity that I set. I will now publically shame them for jumping on a trampoline, drinking a frappuchino, or drinking from a straw" You: "Oh my god so true!" Men: "I don't find it attractive when women deviate from the norms of hege…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:57 AM
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Describing her place in a relationship dynamic is different than not liking me drinking Starbucks by a vast margin. Her "place" in the relationship as defined by Andrew Tate is literally when she is assertive in her opinions, actions, and bargaining. By your very logic, which everyone can plainly see - you're okay with women applying hegemonic masculinity on men through shame, yet not when men do it to women? Crazy story. ​ Argue in good faith bro I mean hey, your inability to be intellectually …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:50 AM
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That's fine. He can like trad wives all he wants. Okay cool. Can he tell men and boys on his platform: "I think its an ick when a woman doesn't know her place in our relationship dynamic. When she tries to act assertive I think that's super icky." You think that's okay? Crazy. ​ He goes further than that though and you know it. Don't pretend otherwise. I don't. Andrew Tate is a moron and cringe. You seem very supportive of his existence though since you're okay tolerating the toxic things dumb w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 11:10 PM
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Tate doesn't say that though. He...literally does. He's said many times before he likes certain hegemonic forms of femininity. Also, even if that wasn't true, I just asked you a hypothetical and you were unable to answer it (because you would have to deal with your cognitive dissonance). You have a problem arguing in good faith? Are your ideas so weak you have to field these idiotic attacks rather than actual arguments? I mean, I have no problem arguing in good faith...except you are clearly una…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:56 PM
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Oh shit, so if Andrew Tate made another video saying that he's unattracted to women who are assertive rather than submissive, and that video got 500,000 likes, you wouldn't have a problem with it? Apparently cultural critique isn't your thing then huh? Might wanna read more feminist philosophy. ​ Least confused misogynistic male feminist lmfaooo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:31 PM
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Notice how you didn't respond to the point about women enforcing hegemonic masculinity? It's cause you realized you were embarrassingly wrong. It's fine if you don't have critical thinking skills, but damn it is pretty funny seeing ignorant people try and act like intellectuals. The show must go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:08 PM
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What an actual clown lmaooo. The men of PPD always surprise me with their thought processes. The actual comparison is: A woman heads to the public square and shouts "I am unattracted to men who trip in the shower" and 100,000 women smile and cheer for her. That is literally enforcing a hegemonic form of masculinity that you are pushing to the culture. Absolute male feminist moment lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:55 PM
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This is something you fundamentally have to understand about these people: They don't even perceive the world can get worse. They fundamentally live a cognitive perception of cruel optimism and try as much as they possibly can to escape from it. The amount of self-soothing people will do in order to ignore reality is genuinely insane, but you can see it everywhere. People are only sensitive to issues they've been primed to. I hate the term "blue-piller", but these people will existentially distr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:05 AM
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It's basically impossible to argue that most pro-social behaviors are based at least minimally on some type of psychological egoism. The thing thats ACTUALLY important is to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior. If you are neutral to good behavior and reward bad behavior, or promote bad behavior and punish good behavior, your society is sick and it needs to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:42 PM
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Imagine telling someone: "The incentive for voluntarily cleaning up the trash everyone leaves on the streets is to be a good person. If you're only cleaning the trash to get good stuff, you're a bad person". Like, what other motivation are you supposed to reasonably supposed to give lmao. People who do virtuous things to be virtuous are good people, but not everyone is virtuous and even most virtuous people will not sacrifice that much to be virtuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:38 PM
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PhD in Dunning-Kruger
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:35 PM
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Nah I'm agreeing with you. I'm just applying the "looks don't matter mane" to the labor market and how infantile that sounds to any rational human.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:29 PM
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...You don't think people adjust their behavior based on the rewards and penalties of their actions? Whaaat is bro on about. Apparently if you donate 1,000 to a charity for the homeless and refugees to virtue signal to your friends or fans, apparently you are a shitty person. You heard it here folks. Pack your bags if there is even a modicum of psychological egoism in your net-beneficial actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:28 PM
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Me when I straight-faced tell the low-income non-college educated African-American to give a firm handshake and have good conversation with your job interviewer. It totally has nothing to do with your race why you'll have a harder time in the labor market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:06 PM
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Why do so many people on this subreddit say this tired point and think they're smart lmao. Many many people will not do good acts if they don't get rewarded and ESPECIALLY if they get punished for it. Dawg above you was pointing out an objective fact of human behavior and you somehow took issue with that lol. If you punish or ignore altruism and reward selfishness in the immediate social ecology...that's the result you're going to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:02 PM
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Increase and promote job-training programs Tackle the Opioid Epidemic Raise federal alcohol and cigarette taxes, launch a federal sugar and red meat tax to get rid of negative externalities on public health. A federally guaranteed 4 week parental leave (2 weeks mandatory for father and mother to eliminate labor market discrimination between the sexes) Vastly reform child physical education Create a form of secular moral education in K-12 Abolish unilateral and no-fault divorce laws Get rid of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:55 PM
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The “Soulmate model of love” that gained traction at the same time there was a liberalization of divorce laws and attitudes has been one of the worst things to happen to American culture in the last 60 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:38 PM
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Well “romance” was always real for some people. Obviously it wasn’t sunshine and rainbows, but that wasn’t my argument. Soulmate love largely doesn’t exist, but it’s an ideal we should look up to. You can’t have genuine romantic love in a social and cultural context which is inherently hostile to that formation. I can elaborate if needed but the empirical results of socio-sexual liberalism seem to speak for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 04:42 PM
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I mean you can say that, but you can see the massive inequality between college graduates and working class relationships and see that there is a massive welfare incongruence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:27 AM
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I suppose it's very low social capital for liberal women to be pro prostitution legalization in the US when prostitutes really and truly appear as a distant intrasexual threat. Unfortunately the pro-prostitution feminist wing has had hegemony in part because of sex-positivity. I do think liberal women obviously are ideologically proponents of legalized prostitution based on ethical beliefs. Though depending on how strongly people hold their ideology, people are always willing to abandon them whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:43 AM
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FYI, this is what happens to romance when you take away all the controlled economic, social, and cultural structures that lead to happy relationships and people. Most people want romance and to be loved, but in their personal and political lives will behave and advocate against the very systems that would actually make them the most happy. Thank socio-sexual liberalism and economic dislocation for most of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:04 AM
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much is due to the very real threat of wage competition I don't think the "crowding-out" theory of immigration (illegal or otherwise) is really supported. The only thing I've seen is that native workers without high school diplomas are negatively impacted in wages, but they can be positively supported by redistribution. ​ Similarly with prostitutes - most women are not in direct competition with prostitutes, or at least don’t see themselves that way. Many may not see it that way, but it is the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 07:13 PM
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Because, the authors findings are completly different from what you state. They write that in the Nordic model (which outlaws prostitution to a great extent), socioeconomically disadvanted women marry more often (instead of choosing prostitution), as the conditions for prostitution are less attractive. That's the first half of the substitution premise the authors state. The second one is: ​ We expect the Nordic model to increase marriage rates (decrease divorce rates) for the following two reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:22 PM
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Actually so based and true wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:08 PM
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Actually so based and true wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:07 PM
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I disagree with you that there isn’t an intrasexual competition motivator (as women express anti-immigration attitudes for the same reason), but we stan Louise Perry over here. Respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 08:51 AM
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Yes, women in general don’t like legalized prostitution (https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll) Legalized prostitution also reduces the bargaining power of women in the marriage market: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4411207
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 08:48 AM
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This is probably one of the most milquetoast takes in human history yet people are still finding a way to disagree with the idea that just like men, women can do a poor job as parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:23 PM
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​ But the intent is NOT the same wrt the examples I listed above. Red herring. It's not even a Red herring. The only qualifying difference you gave was that one was romantic and happening in a venue you disapproved of, and the other one was assistance in a venue you approved of. In not a single comment did you elaborate as to why romantic courtship in unorthodox places was morally bad. ​ Clubs? No problem with that. Everything else you listed? Yes. Wait...so you can't ask out a woman you met mut…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:08 PM
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I mean shiiii, if PPD and Reddit men and women represented the common opinion of average people I would turn into a misanthrope, misandrist, and misogynist instantly. Though you may be right. To be certain though I’d need to find empirical evidence that showed broad lack of success and lack of desire of cold approaches for women. I’ll try to look into that but I’m not sure if there’s much academic literature on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:11 PM
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The intent is the same on dating apps. If the only meaningful moral difference is you're specifically seeking romantic courting on online dating rather than not, I'd assume you'd have a problem with romantic propositions in clubs, gyms, workplaces, peer-groups, schools, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:03 PM
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Girls scouts are selling. You’re buying. A woman running errands, isn’t selling. It's the other way around. The approacher is the one selling, the approache is the one who may or may not want to buy. I “literally don’t know that” but have enough experience and enough women friends that I can hazard a pretty good guess. Your female friends may have not liked the suitors, but you can't unilaterally say that the vast majority of women are not open to being approached in a respectful manner. People'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:55 PM
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That's completely fine if people feel that way. My efficiency argument was relating to the approacher rather than the approachee, but I do believe cold approaches benefit both parties in the current landscape. The reality is if marriage and romantic relationships are declining, the avenues for mate selection are more rigid and unstable than ever, people directly socialize less, third spaces are decreasing, and men still bare disproportionate weight on relationship initiation, naturally cold appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:48 PM
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Talking to a stranger vs. hitting on them are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS Asking for directions vs. hitting on them are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS. Asking somebody to help you reach something at the store vs. hitting on them are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS. They're different in substance, not in politeness. They're propositions. You have given no counter as to why one is okay and one is impolite. ​ Online dating vs. job searching are ... you guessed it, say it with me ... ENTIRELY D…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:16 PM
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You literally don't know that. Most men and women are open to romantic courting even if its in an unorthodox environment. Whether they accept it or not is based on their interest or if they're already taken. When girl scouts are selling thin mints in front of the CVS (the G.O.A.T cookies btw), I'm always open to buying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:11 PM
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This might be a miscommunication, but I'm like 75% sure that when PUA refer to warm approach, they are not talking about any approach in a third space; they are talking about romantically approaching an individual where there is some sort of familiarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:07 PM
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The definition of a cold approach is approaching a stranger and propositioning romance. Whether it happens in a third place or not has no baring on the generalized definition. If you want to call it a lukewarm approach that's fine, but if you approached a woman while she was shopping at Sephora, you are still far more likely to find a more high quality woman for a long-term relationship than at a nightclub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:37 PM
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​ Yes, do you not see the difference? I don't want to get to know man better who thinks that walking up to me in a parking lot is the way to get me to go on a date with him. It's rude. I don't want to date a rude person. That difference wasn't your initial contention. It was about practicality, not preference. If you don't want to accept an advance from any man doing a cold approach that's fine, but you're moralizing it in an incongruent manner. It is not "rude" to talk to a stranger. ​ The 70 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:33 PM
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True, it is different. It's still cold approaching though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:11 PM
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No. I don't care to get to know someone Lol, that's cool but notice how you went from "I can't exchange messages" to "I don't want to". invades my space uninvited and is judging me based on my looks alone. When the 70 year old lady wants me to help her reach something from the top shelf, I to think she is invading my space uninvited. What a horrible woman she is. Also lol at the idea that dating apps aren't literally the most looks-based way of courting available. Hardly. Explain your rationale …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:09 PM
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You can exchange messages with someone who cold approaches you for at least a few days as well. If you two are not interested in each other you can remove contacts. By its very nature, cold approaching is just advertising yourself in the same way as online dating. It’s up to both people how far they want to take it. The only difference though is that in the cold approach, you are interacting in a more intimate way than online, which is actually less objectifying. Also, it’s not about advantage, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:45 AM
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It's not your lack of understanding, it's that people who say you can't have boundaries regarding your other partner's behavior are literally saying that monogamous relationships are unethical. When people say policing your partner's behavior is "controlling", they're trying to describe coercion where there actually is none. If you own a business and say you won't serve someone because they aren't wearing any clothes, there is no "controlling" going on. Both parties are free agents. The nude per…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:26 AM
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When they say: "But you absolutely don’t get to place a fence around your neighbor’s property, and when they walk across it claim they broke your boundary." The accurate analogy is, me and my neighbor decide to buy a new house and move in together, but we heavily disagree over where to put the furniture in the shared space we have. No one would say you're insecure because you want the plant to the left of the couch rather than the right. It's just another way for promiscuous women to have their …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:20 AM
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38% online dating, 27% at a bar/restaurant. 65% through just these two avenues. Though it’s likely gotten even more polarized since the data set is from 2017. A graph and tables are at the bottom of the article. The other literature on the topic of relationship stability and satisfaction does not bode well for partnerships that form from bars/clubs or online dating. Is cold approaching infinitely better? Maybe not. However if you haven’t found a marital partner after higher education, the avenue…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:36 AM
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https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:56 AM
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Online dating and clubbing are literally the two most common ways people start dating now. Both of these would by definition be as objectifying or even more objectifying since you're removing personal contact. Considering how relationships which start in bars and online have some of the lowest relationship satisfaction and commitment, and the people in clubs are high in socio-sexuality, cold approaching is ironically one of the better strategies post-higher education to find a long-term monogamo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:52 AM
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Okay cool. Do you think enforcing monogamy is a boundary or an insecurity?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:24 AM
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Why do you people make the same boring and incoherent arguments. As if cold approaching is somehow more objectifying than online dating, or going to clubs, or parties. In fact it’s arguably more humanizing than online dating because in the interaction you have to personally interact with someone. Do you people even go outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:20 AM
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Many women say they want a mysterious loner who is also popular lmao. Women don’t know what they want, but the mysterious loner type can be enticing. If she’s not a homebody or doesn’t fit your more solitude based lifestyle, you should only go for a woman if she’s just that cute or you wanna risk it and try.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:03 AM
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Using biological determinism as a woman to defend the upholding of the male breadwinner model is quite hilarious. It was quite literally a "bullshit argument". I responded in kind by saying that people like you will do anything they possibly can to hold on to informal power systems that advantage them. I drew a comparison to how pro-choice feminists have barely ever advocated for extending bodily autonomy to ending child support payments for men. You then doubled down and proved my exact point t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:24 AM
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You can be pro-choice and defend child support if you deny fetal personhood. You can’t use bodily autonomy as an argument though. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/20502877.2018.1472853
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:59 PM
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That was a whole lotta yappanese dawg wtf. Are you able to admit that there are women who unfavorably view men as romantic prospects because on an initial date they would ask for a split bill due to their commitment to a male breadwinner model? You literally just complained about men viewing women who stray from the housewife caretaker model unfavorably, yet you don't see any hypocrisy? Lol. I don't know where this meme about the cult of domesticity being alive and well in the 21st century came …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:00 AM
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The genuinely terrifying part about this is that it’s not getting better. You and I have to live in a civilization where our fates and happiness is held by a thread because other people love gynocentrism that much. Women have spent so much time and effort complaining about men being pussies, irresponsible, and broke, but you will never EVER see these same women do any advocacy for improving the social annd economic standing of men. Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, K-12 reform, reducing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:42 AM
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It’s a behavioral and cognitive dissonance thing. Realizing that they’re wrong would necessarily mean that they’d have to change behavior. If they changed their behavior they’d have to reject gynocentrism. 90% of women seem fundamentally incapable of actually relinquishing any cultural or social power because they realize it’s literally the only thing they have. It’s why pro-choice feminists barely if ever argue against child support lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:30 AM
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Women demanding traditionalism from men while also demanding progressivism for themselves is one of the most bland and uncritical forms of thought that has arisen from the 20th century
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:24 AM
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Tell me why the sex industry fails to comply with OSHA standards, yet it’s completely ethical in our economy? The only state with legalized prostitution is Nevada and they have regulations. While prostitutes in brothels should fit OSHA regulations, (and in my view they absolutely can), just like they should non-discrimination law OSHA regulations don't apply to self-employed people and therefore if an independent prostitute wants to not be hygienic they'd have both legal and moral right to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:01 PM
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It's not radical or feminist to oppose the industry pitfalls in sex work. Those are not morally relevant to whether or not consuming the products is good. Literally every single enterprise and industry ever has unfavorable conditions or exploitation wrapped in it. The conclusion isn't to stop participating in the economy (unless you're a Marxist). You are aware of the massive pitfalls of the meat industry, and yet you still continue to purchase and eat meat and line the pockets of people who fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:50 PM
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What are you on about lol. If you don’t think women should be able to sell sex just say that. Punishing the consumers will literally hurt the pockets of the women in the sex industry. The Nordic models’ entire existence is non-egalitarian and gynocentric because it punishes male buyers but not female sellers. The porn industry having its own problems is completely irrelevant to the morality of the industry itself. If men stopped consuming porn, women would just be hurt by it financially lol. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:01 PM
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Women obviously don’t really care about romantic gestures at the beginning because it makes the man look needy. It’s a natural consequence of women having a clear preference for men who do not care about chivalry, because chivalry is a relic of sexual traditionalism that implies gynocentrism. It’s not about expectations because of that though. It’s specifically about a man giving a woman leverage in the context of the date. Women would’ve loved that effort in the 60s and 70s but now it’s viewed …
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/23 08:55 PM
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So a man showing commitment to the date is “putting too much pressure on it”? If women don’t want commitment that’s fine, they should just be honest about it.
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/23 07:34 PM
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Only in 2023 could you be viewed less attractive for displaying chivalry lmao
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/23 06:39 PM
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Did you just try to say that my orthodox understanding of "fun" might be reliant on intoxication and the alienation of the self?!?!? Who are you to criticize my own decisions and hold me responsible for them? What is this? Society?! ​ /s ofc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:25 PM
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Don't worry OP, I gotchu. https://philpapers.org/rec/DIRSTO Sometimes I wonder just how much some of the people on this sub actually use their brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:19 PM
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What kinda lives you mfs living lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:32 AM
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Egalitarianism between the sexes never seems to mean that both sexes can be boring. Apparently the average woman is literally a Parisian socialite who reads deep into Beauvoir and Kollontai
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 06:43 AM
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The problem with this thinking assumes that every other equalized woman is charismatic or fun. A lot of those women are also incredibly boring or want to be catered to the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:46 PM
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The only reason you’d question your self-worth is if you and other people view your status as unworthy. The only reason why people who are unvoluntarily unemployed or under-educated have low self worth is because other people and institutions do not value under education and unemployment. Naturally if women don’t perceive men who are lower earners as attractive, men will naturally be insecure about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:47 PM
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The only reason men care about if a woman earns more is literally because women are the ones who care the most lmao. That’s like observing a job seeker being insecure about their lackluster qualifications for a Fortune 500 company they’re trying to get a position for and saying: “Why are workers so insecure about being fired for a job where you don’t meet credential standards?” The standards for masculinity are unimaginably higher than the standards for femininity in the Western world. Women car…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:56 PM
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He isn’t actually wrong though. This is the most affluent and individualist humanity has ever been. Obviously if people have less familial, social, economic, and sexual pressures tying them down early in life and have access to more and more people, they’re going to try and maximize the results of their relationships. These relationships are and will increasingly be based on or oriented towards romantic love and physical attraction. If people are affluent and cautious/non-committed enough like m…
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 03:32 PM
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The traits women consistently found attractive in men however were historically much more likely to be satisfied when lifestyles were more standardized. On average men were more physically active and most men were taller than most women. The majority of male orientations however were primed towards the public role of the father (even if many didn’t uphold those roles faithfully) rather than as of current where there is basically no mainstream representation and sacred veneration of paternal role…
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 06:56 PM
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I would heavily disagree with the idea that women weren’t any more sexually attracted to average men historically than today. Culture does have an incredibly important effect on attraction, and what media and culturally hegemonic narratives demonstrate as attractive does influence attraction considerably. The problem is that now, the anti-social performative aspects of men and women have become dominant since the liberalization of sexual and social norms. That is the crux of the issue as pro-soc…
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 05:59 PM
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The funny thing is, dating, romance, and the sexual marketplace don’t necessarily have to be zero sum games. We as a society just choose to make it one. Instead of pursuing family law reform, economic distribution, tackling lifestyle diseases and addiction, increasing child nutrition, reinstating moral education, incentivizing homemaking, and increasing male labor force participation, affluent cultures just voluntarily choose to rot. It’s sad to realize, but the culmination of decades of cultura…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:49 PM
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I’ve lurked here for like a year and I’m commenting to say you’re not that guy lmao. Past the early thirties divorce rates for new marriages grow intensely every subsequent year. At his age he entitled to say he’s missed the boat on relationships. You’re not as smart as you think you are lil bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:58 AM
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