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Have experience in the industry. This is bullshit, men get free physicals as well
/r/MensRights01/08/20 05:20 PM
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of course they can I was just pointing out it's not just me, some "armchair" legal analyst, with the opinion. dudes got 40+ years of experience. i actually carry pepper spray a lot and the kind I have is not even that directed/precise kind of stream, so no I dont think that. the reason is the pepper spray I carry is 2% tear gas as well as 2% OC, so that directed stream would not be as effective as the one I have because it wouldn't be breathed in as much since the particles are just going in one…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/11/16 02:42 AM
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it's also how the original poster meant it, he said at one point before even saying the word civil: If he hits those people with that mace it's assault. He has no legal defense for macing bystanders. lol i'd expect nothing less than such a disclaimer from a lawyer. yes you are probably right, but either way that's a risk I'd be scared shitless of taking because of potential ramifications on employment and I imagine most others would be as well. that's why I felt compelled to comment
/r/PussyPassDenied07/11/16 02:25 AM
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I see what you're saying. for whatever it's worth though I emailed the author of the book (highly qualified individual) about it, and got this response: "As to civil liability, there would probably be immunity on the civil side for an accidental shooting of a bystander in a lawful self defense case. I just could not find any case law, and wrote on a cautionary side if negligence were involved, although if immunity was found -- I assume it would also cover even negligence, but possibly not gross …
/r/PussyPassDenied07/11/16 02:20 AM
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so you know, I emailed the author of the book about it, and got this response: "As to civil liability, there would probably be immunity on the civil side for an accidental shooting of a bystander in a lawful self defense case. I just could not find any case law, and wrote on a cautionary side if negligence were involved, although if immunity was found -- I assume it would also cover even negligence, but possibly not gross negligence, and recklessness."
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 11:44 PM
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that's interesting, I'll be honest I'm very skeptical of the lack of direct applicability of the precedent of the state supreme court to civil cases because they explicit said it was "excusable or justifiable" is there precedent to establish such a drastic action can be excusable or justifiable and also negligent? Think of it this way: there are many things you can be civilly liable for that are not crimes. It's easier to commit a tort than to commit a crime. The levels of intent (and proof) req…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 10:06 PM
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I definitely read the original post to be talking about civil liability. Granted redditors generally don't use the most precise language around legal issues and he did say "everyone that got hit with that pepper spray can file a charge of assault against the man who sprayed it" I don't think using the word "charge" is enough of a deviation to change the fact that he's talking about the bystanders themselves taking legal action, not a prosecutor, which puts us firmly in the realm of civil liabili…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:55 PM
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I would argue he did by having the most precise and directed form of pepper spray available for civilian purchase
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:47 PM
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Thank you for that! What do you make of this, cited in that case https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1622421/nelson-v-state/: Under the facts of this case, appellant should have been entitled to transfer his theory of self-defense to defend against the transferred intent crime. In Brown v. State, 84 Fla. 660, 94 So. 874, 874 (1922), the Florida Supreme Court held that "[i]f the killing of the party intended to be killed would, under all the circumstances, have been excusable or justifiable hom…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:39 PM
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He did later say he was talking about civil responsibility, but his original post is implying a criminal charge. That is what I really have a problem with, that is untrue fear mongering and putting peoples lives at risk. And as I explained to you, I am relying on the Tucker v. State case, not that specific law for his later evolved argument of civil liability. And with that assuming that using pepper spray as a defense against non-deadly force is not negligent and using pepper spray around other…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:20 PM
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Dude, it clearly states in that link that if there is ANY NEGLIGENCE involved. Shooting your weapon and hitting a bystander is negligence. You can think that, but that is not established by legal precedent here in Florida. If you are legally defending yourself with a reasonable matching of force, that is not negligent. If you use some type of bullet specially designed to have huge penetration, you might have an argument. But under normal circumstances you are just professing your belief.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:12 PM
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That includes you firing on someone and hitting the person behind them. That includes spraying mace in a crowd of people and hitting bystanders. That isn't in and of itself necessarily negligence if you did it with the reasonable belief that it was necessary to defend yourself from imminent harm. For instance, if the guy with the mace says, "Go ahead and hit me and see what happens" then they've invited more violence. If he said, "Stop or I will defend myself" then that can give him immunity for…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 09:07 PM
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My first instinct on seeing the video was that pepper spraying her was a complete overreaction and unjustified response unless she was doing much worse immediately before the gif starts. Does someone who just illegally assaulted you not provoke reasonable fear of an imminent commission of a physical attack that is at least a misdemeanor? If somebody hit you once what could reasonably make one think they wouldn't hit you again? And what if he's an old man? Or has some medical condition?
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:58 PM
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That is true, but the implication of the "commentary" of the Tucker v. State case is that unless negligence is involved you are not civilly liable even by an injured/killed bystander. And this particular type of pepper spray is highly directed, I can't remember the name of the spray type off the top of my head but it is the most precise form of pepper spray one can have. Highly unlikely to be negligent. Highly unlikely you just lose the right to use pepper spray to defend yourself while around o…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:50 PM
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a jury may think differently. Of course anything can happen, but it's highly unlikely since the person was in the process of legally defending themselves. It just gives you an explanation of your actions in court. It also gives you immunity from damages/charges in court in some states. But clearly, if people were hit with splatter from pepper spray then that's negligence. lmao you just said it's up to a jury but now you're appointing yourself the jury If you shoot someone and the bullet misses a…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:38 PM
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If you swing a bat and hit a little kid on the follow through on accident you can be charged with assault. lmao of course you can be charged with anything but nobody would be convicted for swinging a bat and a little kid walking in their way of swinging and getting hit. that is just outrageous
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:24 PM
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If you fire your weapon at someone and you don't notice or don't care that someone is behind them and the bullet passes through them and hits that person then that is negligence. You are civilly responsible. omg lmao you are unbelievably arrogant i feel like im getting trolled. you do not know the definition of negligence in 50 states, let alone that negligence alone is even part of the legal requirements to being charged. in my state it's culpable negligence, which i'd explain myself but I know…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:23 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/zuzDJ Florida
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:09 PM
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macing a 15 year old girl in a crowd of people is also excessive. Using non-deadly force to defend against non-deadly force is not excessive. If the guy sat there spraying her for 5 more seconds as she's walking away or on the ground you'd have a point, but that's not what happened. In fact, in most states they require you to first walk away to avoid danger. Unless it's a "stand your ground" state like Florida, he is required to retreat. lmao 29 states have stand your ground laws (source), aka t…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 08:08 PM
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However, if you fire off 15 rounds at him and 10 rounds miss and hit other people you will be charged with a crime. Such a ridiculous example. Shooting at somebody 15 times is almost certainly called excessive force (unless you're a cop or you're dealing with somebody who's higher than the stratosphere), which would subject you to be charged with manslaughter in my state. In my other response to you I gave you legal references to show that in my state if you do legally defend yourself with a fir…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 07:38 PM
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I understood you fine in your original post, thank you for your analysis though. I assure you I have shit to do, I'm not here to find somebody to argue with you are just giving advice that you are clearly unqualified to give that could put somebodies life at risk. Here are 2 pictures to explain to you what I did but in a more formal fashion. Unfortunately the Tucker. v. State case referenced is only available to people with access to expensive law databases but I assure you this book comes from …
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 07:34 PM
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i can tell you in my state there is no language in the law about suddenly being legally liable if you're in a large crowd of people, so in my state while of course it would be case by case (as every case is) i can definitively say the man spraying wouldn't be convicted (assuming the video shows all of the spray discharge and she did actually hit him and he did not assault her first)
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 07:19 PM
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lol yes if they are in the process of legally defending themselves using said mace and they accidentally hit you in the process of legally defending themselves. just because you dont believe it doesnt make it not true. you are giving advice to people that could make them not defend themselves and get seriously hurt as a result, you really shouldn't take that lightly. it's one thing to say you think it's wrong but to claim knowledge of self-defense law in 50 states is just absurd. in my state, ev…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 06:11 PM
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That's not the case in every state. It's not in my state.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/11/16 05:56 PM
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