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Hate to break it to ya but those "loser men" are humans too. Sounds like you're the one that's dehumanizing people and justifying it behind some revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:01 PM
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This isn't a gender thing. I work and interview with plenty of women who are stuck themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:37 PM
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You're projecting and avoiding the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:03 AM
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Practice doesn’t make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:27 AM
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Only if you're referring to the legal usage of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:09 AM
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I absolutely do choose who i feel empathetic about Then you're not an empathetic person. They explained this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 10:54 AM
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Preferences are a form of discrimination. You haven't made the case for why it's not, instead you simply demonstrated how it is discriminatory. The problem is that you treat the term discrimination as being bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:07 PM
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How did you so easily misunderstand what they were saying? You're coming across very combative, which makes me believe you're here more to vent and seek either validation or to fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:56 PM
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I never said or implied that people are owed anything. incredibly entitled and a bit whiney, both of which are unattractive qualities. That's a rude statement but those are qualities that rarely prevent privileged people from finding dates. So I see this as more of a personal attack against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:40 PM
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It might not rise to the level of a human rights issue, but it is still a human experience they will likely never have. In that sense, I’d argue that those who do experience dating are privileged. This privilege is largely rooted in societal values and expectations, often high if not unrealistic, that are shaped and reinforced by those who already hold privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:09 PM
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It's a bit of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:40 PM
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This says a lot about how you view even those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:17 PM
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The problem isn't with knowing this. The problem is believing pregnancy can be cheated. Which is why sex should be avoided unless they're ready for parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:33 PM
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They should do what the NBA does for WNBA, and have the women OF's subsidize men who work OF's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:34 PM
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The irony of a man saying I don't want kids but I'm having sex shows how bad society is right now. The same thing could be said for women and abortions. You don't want kids, then don't have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 11:12 AM
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if your standards change, and you find a person who meets those new standards, then it’s not settling, is it? The comparison is between unrealistic standards, which are often seen as high, and more realistic standards, which tend to be lower in comparison. Because of this, a person moving from unrealistic to realistic standards is still considered a form of settling or compromising.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 07:52 PM
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People in general, both men and women, act and feel more entitled to dating/sex than they realize. For example, pro-choice arguments fundamentally rest on a belief that individuals have a right or at least an implied entitlement, to engage in sex without being compelled to choose celibacy as the sole method of preventing unwanted pregnancies. My point is that entitlement, in and of itself, isn't something exclusive to one gender. Both men and women can exhibit entitled attitudes or behaviors, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:33 PM
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I'm gonna try and help simplify their point. You essentially presented a formula. Which would look like this: person + misogyny = lonely person If changing the person in the formula leads to different outcomes, specifically ones that don’t result in loneliness, then your reasoning is either flawed or incomplete. It suggests that there are other variables at play that haven’t been accounted for in your logic. So, they're not moving any goal post when they test your formula by using someone like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 10:25 PM
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Or 3. It's feminist who are responsible for calling out other feminist and the lack of doing so is why people feel the need/want to disassociate from feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:33 AM
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That's called projecting and it sounds like what you're saying reflects more about your own perspective since they never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:33 PM
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And yet, when it came time to decide on having sex, none of those issues were taken into account. It’s as if people feel entitled to having sex and it’s that very entitlement that leads to these dilemmas.
/r/MensRights19/05/25 08:00 PM
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Oh yeah. I've noticed that myself. There's definitely a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:32 PM
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Yes women are at an advantage, we have to be becuse we know theres lots of men who will just lie to get what they want then discard after. Again nothing you can do about that. It's the way we have to be because of the way men are. So it's men's fault for the way women go about filtering out men? For me, I'm responsible for the way I conduct myself. Blaming men sounds like nothing more than an excuse to justify terrible behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:59 PM
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Never in history has a woman in the name of misandry gone on a killing spree, raped, mutilated or otherwise. Misogyny on the other hand... Not exactly true. You would be better off arguing that such crimes make up the minority. For example, there's Aileen Wuornos, who murdered seven men where court docs and psychological evaluations suggest a broader hatred and fear of men. There's a few more, all based in the US. But again, such women exist and were motivated by such hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 10:31 PM
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It’s bizarre to think that the majority of women view men as “things”. The first thing that comes to mind is the bear vs man. Men are not being treated as humans but as potential threats or inconveniences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:37 AM
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I brought this up in a similar post, but when men say that, they’re typically talking about women who seem drawn to problematic partners. Encouraging them to 'choose better' means understanding why this attraction exists, which often requires therapy to unlearn certain behaviors and beliefs that initially made these men appealing. Edited for clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:04 AM
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There are several aspects to consider, so I will address what I can. Well yeah I oversimplified, I'm not really trying to write an essay on him Yeah, however you're asserting claims without giving any real context. I think that it takes work and smarts to con on the level he is doing it and he is successful at it (even though alot of it is illegal and I find it morally wrong). Could you please specify the nature of his illegal activities, and explain how these actions have contributed to the gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:40 PM
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That's sad and depressing. I'm guessing the person you're describing at the end was blue pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:09 AM
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It's fair to scrutinize powerful figures, but calling Trump a “con man” oversimplifies a much more complex reality. Yes, he was born rich but so were many people who lost everything or faded into obscurity. Trump leveraged his brand, survived high-stakes business cycles, and stayed culturally and financially relevant for decades. That takes more than luck. As for "carrying out favors for the super rich” that’s a vague claim. Lobbying, influence, and deal-making are unfortunately common across al…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:26 PM
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So far, no American citizens have been deported. The same cannot be said for other administrations, such as Obama's. As I mentioned earlier, Garcia was an immigrant striving for citizenship and not an American citizen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:35 AM
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I would argue that the root of the problem lies in society's extremely unhealthy and unrealistic standards/expectations for what's considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:26 AM
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He was born rich. Then why is he worth more now than when he started? These kinds of arguments often overlook or downplay the effort and hard work required to sustain and grow wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:01 AM
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American citizens getting detained without due process? What scenarios/cases are you reffering to here? If you're referring to the US children whose parents have been deported then this type of situation is nothing new. There's the case of Guadalupe García de Rayos, an undocumented mother who was deported from Arizona in 2017. Although her two children were U.S. citizens and legally allowed to stay, they chose to travel with their mother to Mexico for family unity. With the more recent events. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:49 AM
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The word vast implies and emphasizes the immensity or enormity of something. So, you would be better off saying it's done by the majority or a large majority. That is if your goal is to clearly and precisely convey your point to others. Here's what Google Gemini says about it: "Vast majority" refers to a portion of something that is much greater than a simple majority. It implies that the number or amount is so large that any alternatives are insignificant in comparison. Think of it as more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:42 PM
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No it's not. 65%: large majority 90%: vast majority One could argue that a vast majority could be as high as 85% but not 75%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:50 AM
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I'm only familiar with the data from the U.S., but it's inaccurate to claim that the vast majority of adults are currently dating, having sex, or getting married. Dating: A large portion of adults, especially the unmarried, have never been in a committed relationship (around 35%). Many others are single and not actively dating. Sexual Activity: About 25% of adults haven’t had sex in the past year, and nearly 6% have never had sex at all. Among young men aged 18–24, nearly one-third report no sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:26 PM
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That procedure would not be considered an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:19 PM
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if the woman only knows creepy men, she’s a creep too. Applying your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:24 PM
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It isn’t fighting with more toxicity, it’s responding in kind. If you're addressing something you believe is hateful, horseshit, or toxic, and respond in kind, then you are contributing to the problem. To clarify, that doesn't mean you have to stay silent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:02 PM
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Thank you. Thats exactly what i was getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:55 PM
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Or you could just avoid engaging with them. However, it sounds like you're contributing to the problem and using them as an excuse to justify your own toxic behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:08 PM
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Men often resort to fighting because they lack the social manipulation skills and protections that women often have, to navigate these spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:05 AM
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She's making some sort of investment in the relationship. Putting in some type of work. Hence the emotional support. Gold diggers are manipulative people who only truly care and prioritize themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:42 AM
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You realize black women make up the largest demographic of Christians in the US, right? Why is it always assumed to be a white person religion...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:36 AM
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Yet, 99% of abortions are performed as a result of the person wanting the "right to not be a parent"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:27 PM
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Well, they're simply no longer allowing the stranger or woman the power to dictate what they do or how they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:53 PM
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So that answers the question. Women have options. Men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:46 PM
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It's still an option though. Something men are not afforded.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 11:36 AM
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I find that hard to believe since appearances play a crucial role in sexual attraction due to several psychological and biological factors. Also, while traits like personality and intelligence are vital for long-term relationships, physical attractiveness tends to dominate initial dating decisions. This is evident in both online dating and speed dating scenarios, where individuals often prioritize looks over other qualities. While it’s true that beauty standards can vary and evolve, the fundamen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:27 PM
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So are the men who struggle with women. A small minority represents 10-20%. Last I looked, 51% to 60% of men under the age of 30 are single. However, around 27% of men at the age of 40 are single, and within this age group, a quarter have never been married. So, I think it's more accurate to say they represent a minority, just not a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:56 PM
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True and it's intriguing they refuse to provide clarification, leading me to suspect their argument may also be based on a false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:45 PM
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Let’s take this a step further. And why are they not likable? When I mentioned skills and tools, I was clearly referring to things like coping mechanisms, emotional intelligence, and similar abilities, qualities that men are often taught to suppress or discouraged from expressing. No offense intended, but it seems you might be approaching this from a place of privilege, perhaps unaware of the challenges faced by those with fewer advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:21 AM
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So, are you just intimate with all your friends or do you just avoid intimacy altogether? I’m just struggling to understand why the distinction between to the types of relationships is being minimized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:09 AM
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Men, like people in general, are likely to struggle or fail when addressing problems that require skills and tools they were never taught. It’s akin to attempting to build something without a blueprint or knowing which tools to use. While some may eventually figure it out through trial and error, others may become discouraged by repeated failures and ultimately give up. However, this isn’t a matter of laziness or a lack of desire for improvement. It’s more indicative of a systemic failure that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:29 PM
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If your claim is correct that men are responsible for their own struggles, then the fault still lies with society for failing to provide them with the tools and skills needed to navigate those challenges. I understand that it’s much simpler to attribute this to laziness or bad intentions, but that perspective serves more as a coping mechanism to reinforce your own negative beliefs and feelings about men. And I would recommend challenging those feelings and not just blaming only men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:54 PM
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When discussing an increase in something, percentages are often misleading. For example, if there was only 1 death this year and now there's 2, that's a 100% increase. However, the increase appears to be a problem with health insurance providers. Not misguided morals or bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:03 PM
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I've already explained this. Them not validating your feelings and opinions is not the same as them seeking your attention and validation. It only feels that way because as women, we're the ones often conditioned to require the attention and validation of others and when we don't receive it, it's easy to feel like the persons seeking attention/validation. However, that's a projection. They're just sharing an opinion and providing explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:53 PM
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How are they seeking your attention and validation and are you implying that they themselves do not respect women? Or are you speaking in generalities? Attention and validation is interesting because women are typically conditioned to be on the receiving end, seeking and expecting it while men are conditioned to be on the providing end. So when men don’t validate women’s opinions, it’s often incorrectly assumed and taken as men misbehaving and or seeking attention and validation, when they’re no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:35 PM
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In Texas, treatments for ectopic pregnancies are still legal under the state's abortion ban. Meaning, they will treat those pregnancies prior to them becoming serious. Again, the stats are really low when talking about probability and risk
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:40 PM
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No, I’m not trolling. I believe that’s just projection. Anyway, yes, the risk of ectopic is 1-2% but the risk of it rupturing and dying is 2.7%. All states with bans have exceptions and that qualifies as being one. Maybe you could provide a link of where a state has banned any help or intervention with ectopic pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:17 PM
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It seems like you’re struggling with feelings of entitlement towards sex. When that’s the foundation, the premise, it’s extremely easy to end up blaming others, such as men, simply because caution and discipline are now necessary considerations before deciding to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:45 AM
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Oh ok. That makes sense. I think the confusion on my part is that woman/women is generally used to refer to gender and female used for sex. Either way, I pretty much agree with ya. Thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 12:59 AM
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Would you consider yourself a TERF? A trans excluding radical feminist. I ask because most feminists would disagree with your definition and would either consider you a TERF or not a real feminist. Either way, I appreciate you taking the time to clarify. It’s sparked an interest and I hope it’s ok that I’m asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 05:08 PM
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So, do you consider yourself a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 05:05 PM
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Are you saying women can't have a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:51 AM
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I believe you’re making the choice to frame this as being denied something simply because society in general has this toxic, childish, and entitled mindset over having sex. However, if we remove this entitlement from the equation then we would see a decrease in unwanted pregnancies and abortions and they wouldn’t make up the overwhelming amount (99%) of abortion cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:47 PM
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Question, what is it that men can do that women cant?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:19 PM
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You can believe in equality without subscribing to feminism. Feminism doesn’t have a monopoly on equality. There’s also Egalitarianism, which is just another label/approach with the end goal of equality. Essentially, equality is a belief and feminism and egalitarianism are just labels and frameworks in which you utilize to analyze and address issues of inequality. Additionally, I think your post highlights the, possibly unintended, consequences of feminist claiming that anyone who believes in eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:54 PM
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So, a child has no worth because there's a 6-8% chance of dangerous pregnancy? I think I can see why you were defocusing on the man rather than your own opinion. But thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:01 PM
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Could you clarify or quote where they say that? Either way, it wouldn’t make their main point about entitlement wrong. I’m simply addressing their main post. Also, guilt by association is a shitty tactic and would appreciate it if you wouldn’t jump to conclusions or make false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:39 AM
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That wasn’t the question. The question was asking you, not the men who you’re attacking for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:37 AM
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Makes sense to me. People generally speaking feel entitled to sex. Abortions, unwanted pregnancies, etc are all symptoms of this entitlement. In fact, 99% of abortions are due to reckless and irresponsible decisions and it wouldn’t be that high if that weren’t the case. Unfortunately, most people are in denial over this and believe only incels struggle with entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:32 AM
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So you believe men dictate and control what has value or worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:22 AM
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Sexual violence happens to include acts such as being shown pornography without consent, or being exposed to sexual behavior in a non-consensual setting. So, I’m not surprised by that number.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:29 PM
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Only further validating my point. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:31 PM
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What I said was factually true otherwise women could just identify as men and get abortions. Unlike your response where you made childish sounds. See the difference, I’m adding to the discussion, you’re just trying to end the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:58 PM
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Not a valid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:05 PM
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There’s nothing you could say or prove that would change their minds unfortunately. After reading through their comments, I get the impression they’re simply here to be combative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 12:59 AM
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Men can not legally get abortions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 12:53 AM
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It's should be self explanatory. I've reread the thread and it makes sense. What do you need help understanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:36 PM
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But but but men have been calling marriage a ball and chain for decades, like since the 80s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 12:25 AM
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It could be Then why treat the issue as if it's mutually exclusive? But they'd do it regardless Maybe. But is there any data to back this up or is it an assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:44 PM
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Why can't it be both? It seems that these conclusions might be drawn from what's most convenient to believe, as it demands minimal effort and serves to reinforce or validate one's existing stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:49 PM
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I hate the men who make them If you were truly against hypocrisy and double standards then you wouldn’t hold men responsible for the decisions woman make. Not unless you also hold women responsible for the decisions men make.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:06 PM
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A healthy relationship naturally faces challenges that test your trust and commitment, and a paternity test is no different. It’s a way to seek validation, gain confirmation, and reinforce trust. It’s something, if I were asked, wouldn’t take personal or as an attack. So, It’s unfortunate and disappointing that some interpret this request as an accusation rather than a means of confirmation. It gives the impression that people have become very self-centered, placing their emotions and feelings a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:15 AM
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Yes, you are free to interpret what it means to you when your partner goes out of their way to request an unusual test like that while you are dealing with pregnancy. It seems you're intentionally choosing to frame this as women being victims and men as villain, maybe vampire. However, relationships are not in a binary or static state, rather they are dynamic with our faith and trust continuously tested with every opportunity. Which is why I see it as another attempt to validate and reinforce tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:18 PM
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but that doesn’t change the fact that actively requesting the non-standard test implies an insult to someone’s moral character, and it doesn’t change the fact that the father never had to do / sacrifice anything for that outcome. If the paternity is legitimate, nothing has changed. So, I don’t see it as an insult and believe it’s simply a choice to interpret it that way. I also believe it’s an opportunity to validate and reinforce trust. So the statement that nothing changes when paternity is le…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:22 PM
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Some of the most cruel things I have had to endure were by the men close to me. Sounds like you should be more guarded around the men you know and or close to and not necessarily men who are strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:18 AM
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I take I have struck a nerve. So I’m done with this conversation and have reported your comment. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:19 PM
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Sex is the natural biological outcome to having sex? lol That’s not even grammatically correct, so how could it be true? I was obviously referring to pregnancy. It’s not BECAUSE women have bodily autonomy, it’s that the debate from the woman’s POV centers around bodily autonomy in a really fundamental way while the male POV doesn’t. At their core they’re different arguments. I see you’ve chosen to double down, but it doesn’t change the fact that telling men to “keep it in their pants” is still a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:45 AM
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I know. But that wasn’t what I said. Yeah, because It’s a rebuttal to what you said. You can avoid abortions by avoiding sex. Really simple. No. I didnt. Read the question again. Yes you did. I’ve read and explained this multiple times already. Ive given you reasoning. I’m not sure what else you require. Abortion should be available because its needed. There doesn’t need to be any other reason. No, at most you’ve given vague responses. This one being no different. But because it’s needed? That’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:21 AM
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and the point I was making is you typed that sex is the natural biological outcome to having sex. You need to read more, and type less. And what I said is true. Perhaps it's time to stop projecting and follow your own advice. and I keep explaining they're not the same. One is personal autonomy in regards to medical procedures and the other is personal autonomy in regards to SOMEONE ELSE's medical procedures. However, this does not dispute or contradict the point I am making. I'll explain below. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:30 PM
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Forcing women to continue a pregnancy they don't want to for some weird morality nonsense is definitely a punishment. No one is forcing women to get pregnant No. I didnt. I answered a question about pants v open legs with sure. Read the question I answered again. At no point did I mention men not having sex. Yes, you did. What do you think "should have kept it in his pants" means? In case it's not obvious for whatever reason, it means you agreed that men should practice self-control and avoid se…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:53 PM
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I don't think that's the argument. The point I was making in my original comment was to highlight the similarities shared between the user's comment/position and those made by pro-life/anti-abortion. I'll quote it below for reference. So "He should have kept it in his pants" is okay, but not "She should have kept her legs closed"? The user I'm referring to responded by saying "sure." That position, arguing that men should avoid sex in order to avoid risking child support, is what I'm addressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:54 PM
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Yes it is. This is an assertion without reasoning. How or why do you view pregnancy as a form of punishment? Where did I do that? here You responded to their comment about men keeping it in their pants with “sure” Unfortunately, this is all validating my initial concerns that you’re simply being argumentative and have no intentions of having a productive conversation. This is not a valid argument. Again, an assertion without reasoning. There’s two points of contention here. You’re arguing that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:42 PM
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Women shouldn’t have to be punished to satisfy your weird morality around sex. Pregnancy or the inability to get an abortion is not a form of punishment. No. I dont agree with your statement. Yet, you’ve demonstrated otherwise but believe your conditions make it special. So, when you tell men to avoid sex in order to avoid the risk of child support, you are relying on pro-life, anti-abortion argument that argues both sexes should avoid sex if parenthood is not an option. Pregnancy is a risk of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:13 PM
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Pregnancy is a risk of having sex yes. Then, you agree with my initial statement. You're just adding on conditions. But women can have an abortion. This is extremely vague but are you suggesting that just because something is possible, it should be considered acceptable or a valid option? Because I would argue that mere option of something, is not enough for it to be consider acceptable or valid. For example, murder is an option. People can resort to that. It solves problems. But murder is wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:09 PM
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The argument is that sex is a natural biological outcome to having sex. For the overwhelming majority of people, it’s a choice being made. Thus, both individuals are responsible for their decisions and should avoid sex if they’re not ready to be a parent. So yes, when someone argues that men should avoid sex in order to avoid the idea of having to pay child, then they are making a pro-life, anti-abortion argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:54 AM
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Please explain because it seems you’re adding a condition, that since abortion exist, then it should be available as an option. A sort of entitlement. Obviously, it the state makes it illegal, then it’s no longer an option and therefor doesn’t exist in that state.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:47 AM
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Yet, this is the same logic that underpins anti-abortion and pro-life arguments. Basically, when it comes to pregnancy and not being able to get an abortion, then that’s the risk women take whenever they choose to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:56 AM
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Or tubal ligation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:23 AM
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you just said they don't, that patterns and intentions also matter That's an inaccurate statement. You might argue that what I've provided could imply or suggest something different, but it's highly misleading to claim that I said something I didn't. cite one then But why? What exactly are you trying to convey? I'm asking because you initially claimed that experts say mutual abuse doesn't exist. And by asking me to provide a citation, it seems like you're suggesting that ALL experts agree with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:33 PM
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reposting because of an issue with link i guess i think someone can get mad and yell from time to time without being an abuser. Ok, but if it's a pattern and your intentions rely on intimidating, hurting, degrading, controlling, or belittling someone, then it's very likely a form of subtle verbal/emotional abuse. If not, then it's not abuse. But all those behaviors described above fall into the abusive category. well experts on abuse say mutual abuse doesn't exist Experts on abuse also say mutua…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:19 PM
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i guess i think someone can get mad and yell from time to time without being an abuser. Ok, but if it's a pattern and your intentions rely on intimidating, hurting, degrading, controlling, or belittling someone, then it's very likely a form of subtle verbal/emotional abuse. If not, then it's not abuse. But all those behaviors described above fall into the abusive category. well experts on abuse say mutual abuse doesn't exist Experts on abuse also say mutual abuse does exist. But are you suggesti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:08 PM
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I would say most but not all. There are exceptions such as mutual banter and forms of constructive criticism. But verbal mistreatment generally falls under the category of abuse, especially if it involves a pattern of harmful behavior intended to hurt, control, degrade or belittle someone by resorting to insults, threats, persistent criticism, humiliation, and other forms of verbal aggression. But I do agree that there could be a case of mutual abuse. I would still characterize their behavior as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:33 PM
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you're saying yes all immoral behavior is abuse? No, I'm saying the behaviors listed above are examples of subtle emotional abuse. I chose not to address the point that "not all immoral or bad behavior is abuse" because it does not pertain to my argument, and I am not suggesting otherwise. However, this may have led to some confusion and i apologize for that. So, with that clarification, could you please address my earlier comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:10 PM
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Yes they are. Abuse involves the misuse or mistreatment of a person or object, often with the intention of gaining an unfair advantage. It can manifest in various forms, including physical or verbal mistreatment, injury, assault, violation, rape, unjust practices, crimes, or other aggressive actions. The grey rock method, on the other hand, involves making yourself as uninteresting and unresponsive as possible to the abuser, aiming to reduce their interest in you and limit their attempts at prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:17 PM
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Put downs, undermining, negative reinforcement, cold shoulder, just a general constant picking away at the sense of self, never being able to do anything right, being criticized for the smallest mistakes No, these behaviors are still considered abusive regardless of the relationship's status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:47 PM
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Abuse is defined by the intention behind the actions, not the relationship's status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:04 PM
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And it reads as though you're presenting your own perspective, or at least one that you consider valid. And that wasn't an ad hominem. You're being neurotic. Everything isn't an attack. That's not true. Both of your statements, the "Go be neurotic somewhere else", and "You're being neurotic", constitute ad hominem attacks. To elaborate, an ad hominem fallacy happens when attention is shifted from the argument to the person making it. This approach is commonly employed to weaken the person's cred…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:48 PM
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I remain unconvinced. Resorting to ad hominem isn’t helpful. There’s better ways to deal with your anger than to take them out on strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:53 PM
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when you want to insult a man the best thing to come for is his dick size because of how much value men place on it So, applying the same logic.... "when you want to insult a woman the best thing to come for is her weight because of how much value women place on it" or "when you want to insult a woman gaming online the best thing to come for is her gender because of how much value women place on it" I'm curious if you will remain consistent and still consider those to be reasonable or justifiabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:58 PM
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lol. No. I just thought I was dealing with someone who was here in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 02:05 PM
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When you start dating someone are you punishing every person you decided not to date Choosing one above all others does imply a failure on their part, be it a matter of timing, not meeting your standards/preferences, etc. Basically, people have value, and the person you choose to date will be fortunate/rewarded, while those not chosen will miss out on that reward. If you hold the door for a stranger The individual who holds the door open is rewarded with a sense of satisfaction for performing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:43 PM
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If you steal whenever you come to my house me not allowing you to my house is not me punishing you. It's simply me not allowing you to steal for me anymore. How is that not a form of you punishing them though? For example: not allowing you to steal for me anymore. Is the consequence. They can no longer visit and steal. If you convince me you've changed I may allow you back into my house Thats still a reward. The reward being that they are maybe allowed to come back into your house. Look, I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:20 PM
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Great comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:49 AM
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Interestingly, the sense of entitlement to sex isn’t limited to just those who lack the experience. This mindset is also evident among a majority of those who support abortion rights, where the absence of this option is perceived as an infringement on their entitlement/right to sex. But like you argued, no one has ever died from not having sex but that won’t stop the tantrums from being thrown.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:36 AM
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The peace time draft which came around 1940 was implemented during their time to vote. Also, majority women were against having the right to vote simply because they didn't want to be included in the draft.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 01:02 PM
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Men forcefully drafting was done by men so women aren't at fault These men in power are representatives, elected officials, who have been voted into office by both men and women. As such, both genders share responsibility and blame since these representatives are acting on behalf of all constituents. Additionally, the issue is not the gender of the representatives, but rather the system or the necessity to protect/defend oneself. Therefore, replacing these men in power with women would lead to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/24 11:18 PM
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Majority of these cases involve somebody the victim already knows and as a result they go unreported due to the victim not wanting the perpetrator getting in trouble. That needs to change or be addressed as there should be no need to protect these people. Part of living with and getting past trauma is having to confront it. Failing to do so is why we have such takes as choosing bear over a stranger/man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:12 AM
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Majority of those violent crimes are committed by a minority of men. Most people don’t understand that and assume these stats must mean most men are violent/dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:25 PM
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Why would I give a fuck about how a bunch of women who don’t know me feel about men? Because you are those men. Im assuming you go out in public. And when you do, If you don't care how women perceive you, then that plays right into their point. So the problem becomes one that has a negative impact on men who feel the constant need to be considerate of women's feelings and to prove they are one of the good guys. They as strangers, are told they are a threat and have internalized this fear to mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:01 PM
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I sure as hell don’t because I know that the women in my life, that matter to me, wouldn’t be referring to me when they pick bear. Well, the meme isn't about who women know. So, because it's impossible to know every woman, which makes you a stranger to majority of them, then they're still choosing bear over you. It’s delusional for any man to actually believe that there is a team men. The problem is generalizations and this generalizes all men as I explained above.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:02 PM
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Well, you didn’t offer any context or reasoning beyond sharing a link accompanied by the phrase ‘sure jan.’ And according to them, the link leads directly to another comment promoting a ‘blue pill’ perspective. But, In the end you eventually clarified though you could have easily provided that context in your original comment is all. Not trying to combative or hostile. Just making an attempt to provide a helpful suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:29 PM
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Not everyone wants to risk clicking on links ya know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:23 PM
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Now you're being offensive by choosing to invalidate a lifetime of repeated traumatic experiences. Im not invalidating the experiences but I am focusing on the fears associated with it. I would sit here and type out all of the traumatic experiences with strange men I've had dating from age 8 - 37, but I don't have the time. I'd be here all damn day. I could do the same. Doesn't make it any more justified. Those experiences only speak of those individual men and not men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:24 PM
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There's no pig.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:21 PM
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I've had therapy and it helped. The fear is irrational and disproportionate. Most fear is. Also it's no more offensive saying that then it is saying they choose bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:16 PM
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Great comment btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:15 AM
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I find it wrong, if not offensive, as a woman. I suppose I shouldn’t find it odd that there’s a rather convenient assumption that only men could perceive this as wrong or offensive. It fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:52 AM
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It’s manbearpig silly. So, it’s a widely circulated meme in which a woman is presented with the choice to be alone in the woods with either a bear or a man. Surprisingly, or maybe not, she opts for the bear, considering it the safer and more predictable option. For some reason, those who defend/support this meme believe that it resonates with all women and garners their support/agreement. Additionally, there’s an assumption, one that’s rather convenient, that only men perceive the meme as offens…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:44 AM
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Knowing this how some women feel, I don’t blame men for wanting to choose bear as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:19 AM
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I don’t understand why it’s assumed that it’s only men who take issue with this meme. There’s plenty of women, including myself, who feel these women and their fears are extreme and if they’re being truthful, then they likely need therapy/help.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:12 AM
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It’s more accurate to say that I’m not convinced. Look, I’ve remained in this conversation to demonstrate my interest and I’ve provided plenty of opportunities, but none of it seems to matter. I honestly want to understand your perspective and believe you but you have such a hostile and defensive wall up that you’re not doing yourself any favors. So, I’m here if anything changes or you want to chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:37 PM
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It’s my opinion, based on evidence which is already provided. Your interpretations or paraphrases is not evidence. You want me to take you at your word but have consistently shown to have a bias or can’t be trusted. Which is why quotes or links are important. It helps remove bias from the equation. You don’t have to share or investigate it if you don’t want to. True, but it doesn’t help or support your judgmental position you claim to be true. You’re the one that attacked my position claiming it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:19 PM
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That’s not how science and claims work. The person making the claim is responsible for providing the evidence. The availability of said evidence does not have any influence over your responsibility to provide it. So again, it’s on you. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:41 PM
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Those are just excuses. What’s bad faith is making claims but then blaming someone else for your inability to provide evidence. Which seems to be a pattern for you when dealing with anyone asking for evidence. So I’m not taking this personal. Anyway, I’ll be here and waiting. It’s all on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:27 PM
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Im still here and me providing you chances would say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:59 PM
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You did exactly as a I predicted. Again. You are putting way more effort into not providing an example. So I find it challenging to believe anything you say. Look, if it’s so easy, then you can do it. I’ll be here waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:35 PM
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Anyone can move their thumb and read, and you’ve done so already and declared it unconvincing, so I don’t need to No, i also said I couldn't find what you were describing. It would help if you could quote or link to something. The offer remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:01 PM
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As predicted, you end resorting to the exact behaviors I described above. Lol. Anyway, I never requested eight comment links. That interpretation seems rather dramatic and highlights why I can’t solely rely on your interpretations/explanations. However, all I asked for was a quote or link to substantiate your position. Despite scrolling, I haven’t come across the content you’re describing. So, if you’re willing, the offer still stands. Something to consider: substantiating your claim isn’t solel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:59 AM
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Then it shouldn’t be hard to find and provide a link. Especially if it’s so easily/readily available. You’re the one making the claim. So it’s on you to provide the evidence. The balls in your court. Look, I suspect you won’t even try and instead resort to the option thats most convenient and requires the least amount of effort. Which is to blame someone other than yourself for not trying. I’m holding out hope though. Let’s see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:12 AM
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If a man called you delusional, entitled, deceitful, etc, you’d think he was cool? Ok That in no way implies that he believes all women are any of those things you listed. So If that were said to me, I would view it more as them having a personal issue against me. Not a generalized one. So I believe you don’t want to be convinced or have your mind changed This sounds more like an attempt to weasel out of having to back up and support your claims. Not very convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 12:49 AM
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Well, unless you can show otherwise, all I've seen is him objecting to certain behaviors and not women in general. Maybe you could provide examples or links to comments that demonstrate what you're describing. I'm open to having my mind changed. That’s enough for me to conclude that he doesn’t like women That's fine. But it still means it's a calculated assumption backed by evidence that's mostly circumstantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 12:30 AM
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Because you edited you comment I'll address this part. based on things he never said That's the logic you're using. He never said he hated women. You are making that assumption with evidence that suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:50 PM
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Yeah, your overall reasoning is ridiculous and leads to faulty conclusions. Thanks for making it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:44 PM
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You already provided a perfect example for why it would be wrong to assume that white doesn't exist, even if all you've seen is black. Which I'm counting as progress. I know you won't see in that way. But it gives me hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:19 PM
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There’s evidence of hostility Right, which supports the claim they are focused on discussing behaviors they object to and nothing else. and no evidence of neutrality or amity. The absence of evidence isn't supporting evidence that they hate women. To believe otherwise is an assumption. I don’t see why anyone would draw conclusions based on things that aren’t there rather than things that are Well, your example with colors perfectly demonstrates the flaw within your reasoning. That would definite…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:05 PM
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It is if you make general unsubstantiated negative and hostile claims of only one gender You could, as you have, make the assumption that it must mean he hates women but that doesn't mean it's true. Omission in the face of exclusively hostile and negative comments is evidence, not an assumption. The assumption is believing this must mean he hates women. I honestly don't understand why this is so difficult or confusing for you to understand. Is there a language barrier or something? If all I see …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:43 PM
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The evidence is the thousands of comments hating women Disapproving of certain behaviors exhibited by women does not equate to hating women. and none speaking neutrally or positively about women This is the part where you're making an assumption about what it must mean. As we've already discussed. Employing guilt by omission does not constitute evidence of hatred towards women. In essence, you are desperately hoping for it to be something more than what the evidence suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:21 PM
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I've been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to take anything they say seriously, especially after seeing this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:14 PM
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evidence, not assumptions Guilt by omission is not evidece that they hate women. So you are making assumptions. This is not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:04 PM
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I believe what people show me. If that were the case, you would recognize that they have only expressed an interest in discussing behaviors they find objectionable. To believe they hate women is to make an assumption on your part. I don’t believe what people don’t show me This again proves you have expectations for individuals to balance any negative statements about women with positive ones. Even though you won't acknowledge it. If we conducted science, created policies and made decisions based…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 09:37 PM
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It would be disrespectful and presumptuous not to Not true, in fact, I would argue that this better describes how you're treating them and the situation as a result of you making an assumption. Why should I assume something with no evidence? I don’t expect balance, and I don’t assume it either Again, guilt by omission is not evidence that they hate women and therefore means you're making an assumption. I don’t expect balance, and I don’t assume it either You've consistently shown otherwise. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:01 PM
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lol. I know what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:27 PM
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You're welcome. Some individuals are deeply entrenched in their views and prefer to respond negatively rather than confront them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:26 PM
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Again, I’m not going to fill a void with conjecture; that’s on him You are though. You're the one making speculations and assumptions. How many times does this need to be explained? You saying "its on him", proves you have expectations for individuals to balance any negative statements with positive ones. Even though you wont acknoledge it. Why do you expect people to prove a negative? It appears you're committed to maintaining this stance, and I'm skeptical that you're considering what's being …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:22 PM
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Sorry, if we ignored a thousand misogynist comment No one is arguing for it to be ignored. posts vs 0 positive or neutral ones So, what you’re doing is also known as inductive reasoning and is prone to confirmation bias. There's various conclusions one can arrive at when examining this part. For example, it's more likely they have an interest in only discussing the behaviors that they dislike. But to assume it must mean they hate women, would be guessing and speculative. Things you said you were…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 06:01 PM
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I prefer to work with evidence Evidence that doesn't prove your claim. Again, evidence would be having proof of him saying he hates women. And that's not what you have. Instead your only evidence is speculating/assuming that because they don't balance negative statements with positive ones, that it must mean they hate women. Which is leap in logic and not evidence. Seems more responsible Employing logic that flat earthers rely on is not being more responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 03:40 PM
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He’s never said anything positive, or even neutral, about women in all of his posts, comments and accounts That's absence of evidence. Evidence would be him saying he hates or dislikes women in general. Why would I assume something that has never happened? This is what I meant by asking if you had expectations for individuals to balance negative statements with positive ones. It would appear that you do even though you said you don't. Yet, he’s still trying to date them. That would indicate he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:36 PM
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Yeah, a lot of people fail to understand how systemic issues begin with hatred/discrimination on an individual level becoming normalized and acceptable on a societal level. Which is why it’s important to call this bs out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:02 AM
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But hating/disliking something, such as behaviors, doesn't imply they hate an entire gender. Again, your argument relies on the absence of evidence to support a conclusion. I’m merely highlighting this flaw and bringing it to your attention. I'll demonstrate what I mean below. Many men do So do many women. This isn't unique to any one gender. But based on your reasoning, and since you omit women from that statement, it could be interpreted as implying that you dislike men. To clarify, I don’t pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 08:50 PM
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But thats what you said. So when i asked: why is that even a requirement if their primary focus or purpose is disccusing the issues they perceive as negative? and you replied with: Because women are useful, of course This means you have an expectation for individuals to make a special effort to balance any negative statements about women with positive ones because women are useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:24 PM
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So because women are useful, you believe individuals should make special efforts to balance any negative statements about women with positive ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:05 AM
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He’s never admitted any are good, only bad. Nor any success with these bad women, only rejection Sounds very circumstantial. Like, why is that even a requirement if their primary focus or purpose is disccusing the issues they perceive as negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:53 PM
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You can’t be a woman on the internet without men harassing you or calling you a whore and for the streets, so we both have our burden to bear. I must be doing something wrong or different because I've never had this experience online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:22 AM
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Men or people in general will often advise others, both men and women, to carry or have weapons. The reason why people might be more likely to suggest for a woman to carry, is because of the physical differences between men and women. Also, the suggestion to carry is not an implication that you're somehow at fault for being attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:20 AM
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Those are merely symptoms. Selective ones at that. But woman play a role. We all do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:37 PM
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This sounds like a 'women are wonderful' perspective where you believe woman are somehow above such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:59 AM
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This type of framing of blame makes It seem you're suggesting that these outcomes would change or be different if women occupied those positions of power. However, the unfortunate truth is that even if you were to replace majority of the men in power with women, we would very likely still encounter the same systemic issues. Simply because the root of the problem lies within the system itself and not the person in power's gender. But this is the problem with oversimplifying complex things down to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:45 AM
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Statistically speaking, in the United States: Nearly 47% of the population (which translates to just over 117 million people) are currently single Three in 10 Americans are single About half (51%) of Americans are open to either a committed relationship or casual dates Additionally, here’s a breakdown of relationship statuses: There are approximately 9.9 million cohabiting couples and 61.4 million married couples living together in the U.S. In total, there are 71.3 million couples in the U.S., w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:26 AM
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Im rude to people who are rude to me 👍 Sounds a bit toxic and unhelpful since this type of attitude is likely contributing to the problem. Look, the individuals I mentioned above would agree and express the same sentiment. But their concept of rudeness, unknowingly, often surpasses the conventional boundaries of what is considered impolite. Consequently, whenever they interpret someone’s behavior as rude, it frequently stems from the person not wanting to entertain them with special treatment. D…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:26 PM
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No, this is nothing more than a projection/excuse to justify rudeness. A real lack of self control and inability to hold themselves accountable. From my experience, and I say this as a woman myself, but the women who believe this are often raised to believe they were special and deserve special treatment. The problem is that It's not society's role to reinforce that delusion. Also, what you're describing happens to innocent, civil, non rude individuals. And, even if what you're describing is tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 02:48 PM
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These things make life worth living. Talk to any genuinely happy person, and they're not going to talk about things or activities - they'll talk about people. That's a good and interesting point. Though what makes it all challenging is that most ideas/solutions resort to what's essentially an attempt to reverse engineer happiness or success. Where it's assumed that by participating in those activities, or having relationships, it will make you happy or lead to happiness, when in reality, it's be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:48 AM
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I assume you agree that these individuals are making an effort to address their own issues before placing blame on others. Which unrealistic values? Are you implying or suggesting that there isn't any? To clairify, i'm reffering to what we as indiviuals grow up to value and expect from others. I feel this should be rather obvious but if not, just ask and i will provide examples. Men of all values are in relationships. Not true but I'm talking about romantic relationships or even platonic relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:02 PM
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So, this comes with a rather convenient assumption that they haven't tried blaming/improving themselves first. Most people I've talked to use themselves as a starting point but once that runs its course and there's nothing else to improve. They then move on to understand and accept the reality for why they're being rejected. There's nothing wrong with them blaming the societal standards that reinforce unrealistic values and expectations. Along with the people who contribute and reinforce that ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:02 PM
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I believe that unrealistic values, standards, and expectations are ingrained in people at large, and not limited to any specific gender. However, the ways in which these ideals manifest differ between men and women. For instance, men often struggle to meet or uphold the unrealistic standards that tend to attract women. On the other hand, many women remain unaware that these standards are indeed unrealistic and do not necessarily lead to happiness or a fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:20 PM
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It does, I have no idea how you've come to those conclusions. I've been in these conversations for awhile and this is one of the discussions that are commonly brought up when discussing equality. As in equal effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 01:48 PM
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That's ok. Let's use 'splitting the bill' as an example. This is an attempt or desire to make dating fair and is an example of what I'm referring to. The advice is centered around the desire to make dating fair, at least for those who aren't excluded from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:52 AM
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Yeah, I'm talking about advice offered by feminist, liberal, left leaning people. It's driven by the desire for fairness. Which would explain why there's an implication that dating should be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:20 AM
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Its really not. Also, thats an assertion and not an arguement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:40 PM
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The motivation behind most dating advice or tips is the pursuit of fairness. Therefore, the actual fairness of the dating game is irrelevant, as people care more about the perception of fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:48 PM
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No, its not about distribitng women to men. Its about addressing the societal issues that have gotten us to this point. Many people struggle because they feel pressured to conform to standards that are not aligned with their true selves. Our society often imposes norms, expectations, and values that are based on superficial or arbitrary criteria, such as appearance, wealth, status, or popularity. These norms can create a sense of inadequacy, insecurity, or shame in those who do not fit in or mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:59 PM
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No, I'm a woman myself and have always taken issue with the way it's presented. ​ So, the opposite of asking for women to be treated special or different. See, there's an implied assumption that men are seen as human beings and that this is a positive or desirable thing. However, this is not true, as there are many situations where they are viewed as a threat or a danger. Therefore, the request is for something that is not common or available to others. This is why it is called special treatment…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:39 PM
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The problem is that we as a society, have unfair/unrealistic values and expectations. Which means there will always be a group of people who fall below the line and are excluded from dating due to a lack of privileges. So, It won't matter what they change or do. No self help or dating advice will help in that area. Unfortunately, all that can be done is for them to find better ways to cope with it. With that being said, I believe they have every right to be upset about it. I think it's understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:53 PM
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Yeah, this always comes across as just another way of saying women need to be treated special or different. It's telling because it's not asking for women to be treated like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:40 PM
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I think my mind was a little cluttered and wasn't considering ways to improve or condense my language. But i'll try and remember that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:07 PM
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It's funny you had to change your statement because your previous comment was calling me one personally. I don't think you know what a naturalistic fallacy is or have even taken the time to really understand my position. I already explained where I would make an exception which means it's not a fallacy. It's also not a naturalistic fallacy to say abortion rights are people in peoples entitlement to sex. Seriously, I don't believe you fully grasp any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 12:37 PM
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Damn, that's pretty much it. At the end of the day, they still want to be approached, they just want to control the who by also controlling the when and where.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:25 AM
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Yeah, as a woman I do feel like men are approaching a lot less and I'm not convinced that's necessarily a good thing. From the men I've talked with, they just want to be respectful and not cross boundaries. So it ends with them not approaching and the women not knowing any different. Maybe this is what the vocal minority want. A false sense of control along with anti social environments. It makes me think these vocal minorities are either jealous of the attention other women get or it's an attem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:10 AM
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Hey, more personal attacks. So by reasonable, you mean me having to validate your arguments and agree with you. Sorry but you failed to counter my main argument and instead focused on an issue that had no influence over how arrived at my conclusion. So I seriously doubt you thought I had anything reasonable to offer. Im willing to bet i struck a nerve instead. I was literally hoping you had something to offer. But I'm left disappointed. Oh well. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 11:17 PM
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That's not an argument. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:36 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. I presented you with some serious flaws within your reasoning and instead of you confronting them, I guess it's easier to just blame/attack me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:36 PM
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No permission is needed for impregnation At last, we have reached a consensus. Permission, or at least an unwillingness to risk death, IS required for gestation, especially healthy gestation No, that's not permission. It might indicate reluctance due to the situation. However, the probability of dying from pregnancy is only 0.032%. Therefore, I believe you are referring to the anxiety/fear that someone may experience, rather than the actual danger. And anxiety can be unreasonable. but it’s far f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:35 PM
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The builder is the one who feels entitled to build. The cars and safety are irrelevant. You might not like the end result but that doesn't make me wrong or misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 01:38 PM
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I understand what you’re trying to say and? but you’re still saying that safety is not necessary to discuss wrt building car Because I am addressing the entitled people who are building cars, not the cars themselves or their safety. Your argument is like saying that we cannot prioritize breast cancer and have to focus on all cancers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 01:47 PM
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Great thing about being human is that we’re able to overcome our biology pretty easily with our brains The word overcome implies that no permission is needed for life to start. What you're beginning to explain are the building blocks that lead to the entitlement I'm talking about. Nothing lost in translation. In fact, most pro choice people were against it because they felt it humanized the fetus and would pressure women into keeping their baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:48 PM
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No, because if that were literally true, then there would be no unwanted pregnancies. But biology does not require permission. If not allowing something to use your body and organs as a life support machine is ‘murder,’ then we’re all murderers and the word is meaningless. Nope. If I remember correctly, this is how it's handled and viewed in Germany. You can access abortions but it's still viewed as a (legal) murder. That doesn't make the word somehow meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:49 AM
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The topic isn't about rape though. The topic is abortion and majority of abortions are done to abort parenthood. You have decided to narrowly focus on rape because you have no real arguments and or feel the need to make this personal. It's essentially a form of whataboutism and an appeal to extremes which means it's a logical fallacy. You haven't been able to present anything that actually challenges my position that abortion rights are rooted in peoples entitlement to sex. I've explained this m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:32 AM
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It is. But I doubt whether or not it is murder would change your stance at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:34 PM
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Actually, I do care. You're making the assumption that I don't because I won't make an exception for abortion. Again, you don't seem to understand what general statements mean. They don't imply all. You're doing the 'not all man' thing but for women instead. I find that interesting since you're probably one who's ok with 'teach men not to rape' as a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:30 PM
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Why should humans get special rights to life if we don’t acknowledge that human dignity and human living are special? Its not mutually exclusive. Both should be special and have rights to life and live. But not the right to murder. But, regardless, if you don’t think that rape victims should have a right to remove a rapist’s offspring, then you shouldn’t be mentioning sex at all in your reasoning, because it doesn’t actually matter to you. What? This reasoning makes absolutely no sense. Are you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:26 AM
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Right, but my overall position would still hold even if I were to make exceptions. I would still believe abortion rights is rooted in the entitlement to sex. Of course, that doesn't mean to imply all abortion rights fall into that category. To be upfront, rape is an extremely difficult topic and not one I'm 100% certain on. My position has changed multiple times throughout the years. Right now, I find myself placing more value and support into the idea that life starts at conception. Irregardles…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:48 PM
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I don’t agree with you that a woman in a dependent relationship is ‘choosing to get pregnant,’ but regardless Using dependency as an excuse is just that, an excuse. I've been in similar situations but made the hard choice to leave and it was worth it. if you don’t make exceptions even for the minority who were raped, then it’s not about the woman’s choice. Having sex is a choice, except in cases of rape. My general statements do not apply to all, but to most situations. But, I don't understand w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:27 PM
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Tbh, you're not being very clear. With your examples, except for rape, the woman is choosing to get pregnant. Whether its staying with the husband sacrificing sex for dependency/stability or having an IVF. They are making a choice. then you need to stop pretending that it is Again, you’re resorting to an appeal of extremes by using extreme/minority cases to justify your overall position. You’re implying or making the case that since a minority of cases (1%) result in a lack of choice, then it mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:45 PM
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Look, you're taking a fallacious position by focusing on the most extreme or minority scenarios. I doubt that you really grasp the main point of my arguement, because if you did, you would see that these more rare/minority cases don't affect my general stance. But I'll respond anyway. If abortions for rape are such a tiny percentage, that means you’re ok with allowing them, right? No, like I stated in my first comment, plenty of women feel abortion is not a right or something we're entitled to. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:33 PM
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If your problem is the sex, The problem isn't with sex but with people's entitlement to sex. As if exercising self control and discipline are some how impossible or unrealistic expectations. This goes for both women and men. So, what you're asking about comes across as an appeal to extremes. For example, abortions that come from rape don't represent the majority of cases. In fact, they represent only 1% while health reasons make up 12%. So I believe my position still holds since what I'm referri…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:44 PM
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Statistically speaking, majority of abortions are the result of a person wanting to abort parenthood. That by definition is a form of birth control. There's nothing I've said that's wrong. Including the part about people feeling entitled to sex. I get the impression your position/argument relies on what I've described to be false. Or that you can't handle the fact that some women don't view abortion as a right. It's not bad faith to say this. What is bad faith, is you accusing of me of bad faith…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:38 PM
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But it is. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:51 PM
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If that was true they wouldn't be having sex. To clarify, your position is rooted in the entitlement to sex or consequence free sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:42 PM
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And maybe ask the women in the states that make abortion illegal, even for medical reasons / risk to the woman's life, how favored they feel. Doesn't bother me. Not all women view abortion as a right. Most abortions are done as a form or birth control. People feel abortion is a right because deep down they feel entitled to sex. Edit: clarity and grammer
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:30 PM
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The popular belief is that practice makes perfect. However, this is not entirely true. Perfect practice makes perfect. If you are unsure about how or what to do, trial and error may not always lead to the same or right results.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:33 AM
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Well, if something happens behind your back, you never know about it and it never hurts your feelings. You're making the assumption that it will never get back to the person and hurt their feelings. There's social consequences you're ignoring. My context from the previous comments explain all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:58 PM
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But you're implying a hierarchy of wrongness by contrasting the two actions. However, they are equally unacceptable as they both violate the same principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:11 PM
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This is going to sound like I'm repeating myself but you ignored the context that already provides an explanation to your response. The outcomes whether done directly at the person or behind their back have consequences especially if it's within a shared community and the man socially disadvantaged. Those consequences, the end result, are the same with the man still feeling shamed and mocked. So it doesn't matter if the shaming happens directly or indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:43 PM
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But women are not as likely to go out of their way to pick on and shame fat men for existing. That depends. From my experience, I've seen women do just that. I've also seen it done with a more subtle approach but what's even more likely to happen is it being done(mocked/shamed) behind the guys back, when he's not around. Which, might not be an issue for someone living within a large city, but there's social consequences for the man if it's a small community and he's at a social disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:50 AM
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First, toxic femininity is considered an anti-feminist term, used by anti-feminist, and something you claimed would not be used in anti-feminist echo chambers. Care to address this and maybe clarify? Because it doesn't make any sense and as a result comes across as nothing more than just a cheap/failed attempt to mock me or something. Toxic femininity may very well be rejected by some feminists but I can assure you it is a concept that is alive and well, even within academia. Not some. You're mi…
/r/MensRights09/07/23 10:40 PM
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Well, I spend majority of my time lurking in pro feminist spaces where the term toxic femininity is outright rejected as a concept or idea. That's why my comment specifically referred to any comparable terms accepted by either academia or the general population. Toxic femininity is not and is only accepted and said here in places like this. So I find your comment about echo chambers and why I wouldn't see it discussed, both ironic and not accurate. This post, in my opinion, is pointing out a bli…
/r/MensRights09/07/23 06:20 PM
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Did you not see where I brought up toxic masculinity? I still don't think you're fully grasping what I'm arguing. I'm not saying men can't be influenced and fragile as a result, what I'm saying is that societies expectations and values keep us from wanting to recognize when it happens to women. Hence, the reason why there's no comparable term to toxic masculinity for women. At least not one that's academically recognized or socially accepted.
/r/MensRights09/07/23 12:47 PM
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Societal values and expectations "bothers" more than just some. It influences everyone. Even those who rebel against it. Edit to add The problem is that these values and expectations lead us down a path of wanting to protect and shield women. Even if it means denying the beauty standard or denying they might have undeveloped coping skills. Compare that with the term toxic masculinity used to describe those behaviors of men with nothing comparable for women and you can see how these issues are tr…
/r/MensRights08/07/23 12:29 PM
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They're not saying it's innate but that societal values and expectations, for example beauty standards, prevent girls/women from developing the proper skills and tools to handle such criticism/rejections. If you're constantly being told your whole life that you're pretty or beautiful and someone comes along and says the opposite, its going to be a problem.
/r/MensRights06/07/23 02:14 AM
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So, I do understand the ethical concerns but the selfish side of me doesn't want you to step down or leave. This sub would be losing a great mod/contributor and though my overall confidence with the sub isn't lost, it does leave me a little nervous. Anyway, best of luck to ya and I'll come by the other site when I get chance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/23 01:40 AM
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guys are usually not as vulnerable as girls are at that age. It doesn't matter. they're still vulnerable and being exploited. Their ability, or lack of, to handle the trauma/vulnerability shouldn't have any influence over whether something is right or wrong. So the context matters very little. What matters is whether or not the person was able to legally consent.
/r/MensRights17/04/23 12:12 AM
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I've had similar conversations. Here's my position. Incels and people who struggle are symptoms of a broken society that feature unrealistic/poor values and expectations. These people are essentially victims. Which is why it's wrong to blame them, and not society's values, for their current situation. The people who do blame incels, generally have the cause and effect backwards. They believe these men are the cause of all their own problems. They believe this because they also benefit from privi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/23 12:50 PM
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Oh damn, you're right. Sorry about that. Damn mobile.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:35 PM
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Are you suggesting that today's climate is comparable to the Holocaust/WW2?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:13 PM
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No, I understand. They believe the problem lies with others and not themselves. What I'm saying is that they're (unknowingly) attracted to those people who have the problems. But they don't have to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:17 AM
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Let me try and put it another way, you are attracted to people who you end up breaking up with. Same thing as I was describing. Whether it's them bailing or you breaking up with them. There's something there that you're unknowingly attracted to. I'm not saying you to have to vet 100. My argument is about finding middle ground and gaining a better idea about the person before commiting to a relationship and better understanding who and why you're attracted to them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:00 AM
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Well, you don't have to date someone in order to get to know them or sense for who they are. And, the scenarios you're describing sounds like you're attracted to characteristics/flaws in a partner that results in them bailing or you breaking up with them after however many months. I struggled with this problem myself, as many do, and had to get therapy. I learned that I was attracted to people who weren't relationship material. Now I know about this and can do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 09:23 PM
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Even though I'm not a man, my response to your question would be first therapy to help me better understand why I'm attracted to such terrible guys. To provide some context. When people grow up around abuse and violence, it's not hard for it all to become normalized. Seen as acceptable ways to love someone. Aka tough love. So, coming from that experience myself, it's not hard to see how people are attracted to other people who can replicate that experience/feeling. If you don't know and understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:53 PM
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Thanks. Some people are either in denial, don't care, or they fail to realize to what extent they negatively contribute to things in general. I find it odd and interesting at the same time. Like, part of the problem here i think is that people have internalized this idea that they are truly powerless. That what they say and do won't have any effect on others, especially those with power. And this is obviously not true or not to that extreme extent. Anyway, I'm rambling, sorry about that. It was …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:12 PM
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If it were as simple as you washing your hands of them, then I don't think we would be here having this exchange. At this point, I would maybe characterize it as you washing your hands, advertising it, while contributing to the ongoing conversation that follows this topic. Whether it's being insensitive, or misrepresenting something, or being unwilling to listen or believe. All these various things add up and contribute. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:55 PM
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You do you. But I'm unable to relate or understand even as a woman myself to what you're trying to say. If you are being harmed or made to suffer, then the obvious solution is to call the cops. If you mean something different by it, then you're just doing the us vs them mentality and i find that to be extreme and only making shit worse. I'm not saying that you can't defend or protect yourself. But you can do those things all without contributing to the problem itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:45 PM
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Yup, it's really sad situation and you make a great point. It's easier for society to just change who's considered socially acceptable targets to hate then it is to actually address the underlying hatred. It's unfortunate and something I worry about since it seems we're only heading further into these extreme polarized conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:27 PM
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You have done nothing but make assumptions about me. Including my gender. You obviously need help. This is my last reply to you. It's not worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:32 PM
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I'm not sure what else I can say if you don't know or understand how this applies to relationships or the lack of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:20 PM
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No, it's seems you all want me to argue against a position you think I have that i don't. Your comment is a great example of just that. You present the issue as being one or the other. Us vs them mentality. And that's unhelpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:19 PM
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It's not that difficult to even imagine. People are generally not nice to those who are different. They mock, tease, bully, etc. People who were bullied become the bully dynamic. If you can understand and accept the idea that people/society has a bias against women. Then what makes you think we can't have one towards those who are disadvantaged and less privileged? Privileged in the sense of appearances, health, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:26 PM
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Oh, you don't have to if you don't want to. It all boils down to your end goal. Look, my end goal or idea isn't for women to be dating these men. It would be that society no longer rejects or mocks them their lack of privileges that so many others have. Thats what this all comes down to. They lack the skills, tools, and privileges. Society obviously doesn't want to change, so the only path forward is to get them those skills and tools so that they can better adapt and accept the situation for wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:12 PM
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The implication is these men aren't willing to just leave women alone that makes more sense. They feel they were outcasted and shunned by society, therefore they're justified in venting and in worse cases attacking as a response back to what they received. TBH, my goal here was to try and point out that we're all human and suffering. That these people are just misguided and not the enemy even though we've contributed to they're suffering (I'm not exactly blaming society and its individuals, beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:51 PM
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but about hoping for women like me to suffer As a result of their own suffering and the lack of people helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:42 PM
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You don't really have to misrepresent or strawman these groups, But people are. when they're doing a great job creating the worst image for themselves. Then quote from them or something because paraphrasing what you think they believe isn't helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:40 PM
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Do you believe in the idea that people become products of their own environment? These people were not born this way but instead shaped and pushed into it. They are the end result to how society mistreats and dehumanizes people who don't fit or follow the standard. One could argue they lack a lot of privileges others take for granted. Making them societies outcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:36 PM
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But don't pretend that's the case. Why do you believe they secretly want to help you? Because that's what your comment implies. Are you trying to imply that they still want something from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:29 PM
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I've seen vocal support. They are suffering, so they celebrate people getting a taste of it. Like a, "welcome to my world" mentality. Do i agree with it? No. But i feel like people misrepresent, fail to understand or just strawman these groups to justify crazy positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:24 PM
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It's more like, "because I have to suffer then why should I do anything to help your situation." Maybe that's a distinction without a difference. But people often forget these lonely/incel men are victims too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:44 PM
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No, they've been mocked and dehumanized their entire lives so there's obviously going to be trust issues with anyone randomly showing up and pretending to care about their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:19 PM
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Ditto. My response was literally a question. And yet you insult me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:45 PM
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So? What's wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:42 PM
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You got to be joking. Getting cancer from smoking cigs is not an accident or considered accidental. It's a known risk and consequence. Can you show me something, anything, where it's labeled as such? An accident is an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. When you know the risk and consequences it is no longer unexpected. It's denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:34 PM
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Are you not able to understand what that implies?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:11 PM
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To some extent? Doctors treat it because it's their job. It has nothing to do with whether or not something was unintended or accidental. So the point still stands. Getting cancer from smoking is not an accident. It's a known risk and consequence that stems from their choices. Whether or not everybody gets cancer from smoking has no bearing on this. So your explanation makes little to no sense and wonder if you could maybe try again and explain it differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:07 PM
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That doesn't mean it was accidental though. It just means you were unable to cheat the system. There is however, a guarantee about the woman having to do the pregnancy, birth, and generally breastfeeding. Which is why sex should be avoided if parenthood is not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:09 PM
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You make a good point. By their logic, getting cancer from smoking cigarettes or liver damage from drinking is considered an accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:02 PM
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So is getting cancer from smoking cigs an accident too?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:00 PM
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Not true at all. A lot of the mockery is due to the vile shit they post about women, wanting to bring back sexual slavery, that sort of thing. That's circular logic or for them, a circular experience of mockery. They are victims of a society with shitty values that dehumanizes them and treats them like outcast. And this all takes place before they even start to rebel against it. And now as outcast, disconnected from any sense of normalcy, and labeled incels, you, in a general sense, still find r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:55 PM
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If this is real, a vet isn't gonna just put a healthy cat down. They would if the person dropping them off claims the cats were drop offs and not actually theirs. I've seen this happen a lot especially in areas that are out in the country and are overpopulated with cats.
/r/AntiFeminists10/06/22 04:42 PM
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Hey, could you summarize this differently because I'm not sure what you're trying to say. So, after some thinking, I think I get what your saying. That men and women who suffer from this problem should then be treated by society equally the same. Is that right? If so, I agree, but I would rather want society to not shame, and instead sympathize with both. But I know that's a rather liberal idea and maybe not all that realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 10:30 PM
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I didn't see that. From what I can tell, the thread starts out with a comment by nvkr_ and they weren't advocating for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 08:44 PM
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Criminalized for being poor? Not really. I feel that's rather extreme take since there's a large gap between people penalized for being poor and people being entitled to whatever they want. Being poor just means having less options and opportunities but that doesn't necessarily mean going without. It just means compromising and finding alternative solutions. Or are you advocating for socialist policies? I'm not against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 08:20 PM
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There's save haven laws and adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 07:48 PM
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The starting line would be whether or not you could afford the monthly cost of providing for the child which I think is $1,500 month. If you cant afford that, then the responsible thing to do is abortion or adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:46 PM
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I think you might be overlooking something and it's what makes these situations different for men and women. Basically, it's become normalized for society to not care about these men. Individuals might care but as a society, as a whole, we simply do not. The same can't be said for women and that's why you see people reacting/protesting and its simply because this is not normal for women. It's hard to get people to care about something once it enters that state(normalized.) Which means we have to…
/r/MensRights13/05/22 12:43 PM
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They are comparable since they both provide options for aborting parenthood. If the women can't afford the child, or the child will be in need, then she needs to abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:00 PM
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To be fair, they support women aborting the child if they, themselves, can't afford to financially provide for it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 02:50 PM
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Unfortunately, statistictly speaking, we're more likely to be raped/assaulted by somebody we do know versus not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 01:23 AM
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But that assumes a-hole people are the only ones treating them poorly in the first place. But i understand what you're getting at. Unfortunately, unattractive (physically/socially) people are facing a different and more complex problem dealing with societal values. Meaning, these individuals can change and improve everything about themselves and it still won't matter because they still fall under the values we as a society find acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 02:48 PM
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Here's a comment I wrote to someone else but same thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/t71clx/women_are_never_really_alone_the_way_men_are/hzitvuc?context=3 Reply to that comment though if you have any questions or thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:56 AM
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There are at least two approaches I'm aware of. One being societal that addresses the root and the other being individual while treating the symptoms. Treating the root cause: We obviously have a problem within our societal values. We judge, shame, discriminate, etc. against those we consider to be 'other'. Other being anything from race, gender, class, identity, age, appearances (pretty/ugly/unattractive), etc. Which means we have to, on a societal level, not do that in order for things to chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:32 AM
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If you think what i said is not on topic, then i don't know what to tell you because I've already answered your questions. But let me summarize it another way. These particular issues are symptoms to a much larger problem. You are framing it as an individual problem only so you can vent and take your frustrations out on those who disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:40 AM
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The issue is that women are still capable of having strong platonic relationships with the opposite sex, regardless of their looks/class/etc. The same can't be said for men because we, as a society, shun and shame them as creeps' before we even get to know their name.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:24 AM
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I already answered that "Change will have to come from society becoming more accepting and caring for these men."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:16 AM
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Your comment feels more like an attempt to vent than it does a rebuttal against what I'm, as an individual, saying and only said. Anyway, what you're describing is similar to choice-feminism where you frame the problem and solution on an individual level. That can work to some degree but choice feminism is largely rejected because you need to have outside influence on a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:14 AM
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The problem: nobody cares about single men Solution: make men fix it. This doesn't make sense. The problem is that society in general doesn't care about single lonely men. Those men, in those positions, are mostly powerless over this. Change will have to come from society becoming more accepting and caring for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 04:47 AM
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Since you seem to be against the victim mentality then why does it seem like you're only pointing the finger at men who are unsuccessful dating and blaming their addiction/depression as the cause. Shouldn't the finger be pointed at much larger issues like I previously suggested that are placing addicts in positions where they feel the need to use drugs and alcohol over being healthy and contributing to society? Edit to add: I think you might be unintentionally inferring/projecting way more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 08:24 PM
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I think you're working with a lot of incorrect assumptions about my position so let's start simple. So you want a woman to take a man with an insane amount of emotional baggage and to fix him? Where did I say this or how did you arrive at this conclusion? Just to further clarify, my initial comment was working within their context. In that I agreed but took it further to suggest that neither gender should be blamed. Not that one gender deserves blame and the other not. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:26 PM
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I'm guessing I stuck a nerve maybe as I find your rebuttal mostly illogical. For example: Fatherless children are not just a result of whether she chose to get an abortion or not. Right, but the context was about women choosing to keep a child even after knowing there wouldn't be a father. In such scenarios, women might be better off having an abortion or putting the child up for adoption. Abortion, aka having body autonomy rights means that women are ultimately responsible for this since it can…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 03:53 AM
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No, I'm not absolving men. I'm holding those women, under certain conditions and parameters, responsible for their choices to not abort their child even though they knew about the father or the lack of having one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 03:11 AM
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responsibility of being a parent ON MOTHERS. That's because its the logical conclusion one reaches when it comes to having abortion rights. Women have the last chance option/responsibility to avoid putting a child through a shitty experience without a father and abort. Edit to add: This doesn't imply that the father is blameless though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:31 AM
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I understand that maybe you're not but it's implied with what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 02:06 PM
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Well then you can't blame the men who are depressed and alcoholic as well. The problem can't be fixed by simply telling men not to be depressed and or alcoholics. They are the victims/symptoms to a much larger problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:02 AM
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Yeah, that's why I view dating and sex as a privilege. A privilege not afforded to everybody. Its interesting to think about and sucks to be a part of because society places a lot of pressure and judgement on those without. Especially if there's nothing else you can change/improve about yourself as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:39 PM
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However in this whole thread mine and other women’s experiences have constantly been minimized, scrutinized, and mocked. It has put me in a combative position. I understand . I'm sorry that you have to go through that. Hope you have a good day
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 11:11 AM
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See, you could have made your case without minimizing the experience men go through. Doing that weakens your position because you are now making it a competition of who has it worse. When in reality, both situations are something that should be considered unacceptable behaviors (the act of rape or making false accusations). Whether or not you believe they happen or not. People in either situation need support, not someone minimizing their experience and telling them it can't/won't happen. Basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 02:07 AM
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That's a great comparison. I can definitely relate. At the start of my working career I was probably considered one of those 'nice guy' employees. Fortunately, that's no longer the case. It was a rough ride and I had to come to terms and accept some hard truths. But my life and work experiences are way healthier now. Anyways, great comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:54 AM
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Minimizing what they said down to something said on Twitter demonstrates a real lack of perspective on your part for what men do go through. That or you feel it's justified and that they deserve it. Either way, you should be focusing on those who created the oppression. Not those who are innocently born into this shit hole of a world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:59 AM
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Can you link me to that comment then? Cause I'm not seeing it. Maybe its because I'm on mobile? True. But doesn't that mean they can be both causal and courting? Either way though this feels semantic to the overall point. Which is that he's only responsible for himself and what he thinks and feels. Bringing up courting behavior to describe his behavior is just another way to imply manipulation through, what you called, natural psychological responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 05:17 PM
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So don't assume I've been able to read every comment. I didn't see it. But paying for dates is what's considered socially acceptable behavior. Aka casual behavior. Is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:59 PM
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They are blaming the man and his behaviors in that link. You calling this courting behavior doesn't make it so. I start with saying “she should have nexted him the moment he said he wanted nothing serious upfront.” I know you saw that because you’re in this thread. Not in our thread and I would appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about my position. You're hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:42 PM
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And I've asked you to explain your position multiple times now because you saying it's courting behavior within this context blames the man and his behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:32 PM
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I'm asking you to explain because you're essentially victim blaming. What about the behaviors do you consider to be courting? Does this not also imply misleading somebody?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:15 PM
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I'm asking you to explain because you're essentially victim blaming. What about the behaviors do you consider to be courting? Does this not also imply misleading somebody?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:15 PM
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From what perspective is it not considered casual behavior within dating? For example Its considered casual behavior for those who are privileged enough to date and get sex. Maybe it's not for those who struggle or only want LTRs. But the guys intent in the link, unless I'm missing something, wasn't misleading or lying. Not in the sense that most relationships start at a casual state. Anyway, curious to hear your opinion because I sense I might be missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 03:23 PM
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In a way it is, one can consent to some actions but not others, defining how far you can go in a sexual encounter That's not describing a 'scale' though. You either consent or you don't. You can't kinda consent. Basically, consent is binary. What you consider to be acceptable for consent is on a scale. Sure, and the public opinion should be formed based on nuance such as HOW drunk someone was And the public opinion is that being drunk (at the minimum level) crosses the line for what's already co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:05 AM
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I get the impression you also view consent as being on a 'scale' then right? The correct question is how drunk someone is, not a yes or no question The 2nd part of my initial comment addresses this and even explains what you're attempting to do here. Your only rebuttal so far has been to point at judges but our conversation, or this type of conversation, doesn't just take place in a court room. Judgements are made any and everywhere. Public opinion is a thing. Basically your using nuance to just…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:49 AM
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So to clarify, when you said '"real world" you were actually referring to the legal system then right? Also yes you can in regards to the alcohol. Is some one drunk? Yes or no. Its binary. Edit to add. Your doing what the 2nd part of what my initial comment said. Also there's more that make up the 'real world' than just judges/legal system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 11:55 PM
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FYI, Degrees would be a better term as opposed to 'scale'. But please, explain your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 10:41 PM
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In this context being drunk is binary much like consent is. They're mutually exclusive. You either are/agree or you're not/disagree. Using "scale" is just a clever way of shifting and assigning blame elsewhere. Turning it into a competition of "who has it worse" and what not. There might be justifications for entertaining this lens, but it seems to serve no other purpose than to distract from the main issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 10:33 PM
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Many women/men don’t report even when rape did occur, because they’re told it’s impossible to prove If i remember correctly, statistically speaking, victims are more worried about getting the suspect in trouble than they are worried about it being provable. This is because you're more likely to be raped by someone you know verses not knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 10:13 PM
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