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Give me a timestamp or something, I'm not going to sit through some AI video just so I can gather the evidence to make your point for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 03:58 PM
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My favorite is when they feel proud of themselves for claiming to want "dad bods" instead of guys with a 6-pack and the example is a pro bodybuilder who is on a bunch of steroids, but in his offseason bulk so he doesn't have a 6-pack right this instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 01:09 AM
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But that's my point: YOU are the one equating dating being hard for men with those men having literally no options. Why is it unreasonable for fit men to want fit partners? Why would it not be considered hard for men to date if those fit men do not have any options to date similarly fit women? Which brings me back to my original point: the insistence that fit men should date fat women is just incel rhetoric for women, but because this sub is run by a misandrist moderation team, it is not similar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 08:03 PM
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I know before the mods requested not to be tagged directly in the daily for complaints about moderation but have asked for us to just send them a message in mod mail. Of course they prefer that, that way the bad actors can review complaints about themselves before any other mods get a chance to look at it. I've had a mod's comments removed for incivility / personal attacks towards me, but only after making a comment in the daily thread about it. The initial mod mail / report was hidden away by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 05:12 PM
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Cool, I'm glad you agree with me that fit men should be able to date fit women, since there's mathematically such an excess of fat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:47 PM
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Why do you think it's unreasonable for a man to claim he has no options that are similar to himself? This feels like the very definition of a strawman: twisting what men say to something else, then criticizing the claim only you made for something that is not true of the claims the men themselves are actually making. Also, there is a huge difference between fat and IG model, with plenty of room for normal builds. I know plenty of women through the rec leagues I'm part of that don't look like IG …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 02:19 PM
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Then he just goes around trying to twist definitions to believe he’s being a reasonable when he’s not. The average young man is also fat, so the fat people can date each other. The twisting definitions come from fat women who want a fit partner and need to come up with some explanation for why they are justified in having a standard they themselves do not meet. The idea that fit men should date fat women is just incel rhetoric for women, but because the mods of this sub are misandrist that versi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 12:43 PM
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Life is full of asymmetry, that's why men have lower life expectancy than women. Maybe the half of the population that is more privileged when it comes to health outcomes shouldn't be the one complaining about asymmetry of health outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 07:37 PM
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Another area I think men have much more leeway is what is considered groomed and hygienic. Men just have different standards. Men are considered frail and sickly if they don't work out enough to build a baseline level of muscle. I know a lot of friends through an adult rec sports league, and it amazes me how many women who are generally considered athletic don't lift weights while the men who are just average do so 2-3 times per week, year after year. Also, men are considered unkempt based on bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:23 AM
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Some people just aren't very smart, and pretend to be even dumber than they are to avoid arguments they don't know how to counter. I've had someone on this sub claim an opinion piece from a news aggregation site was actually from a medical research clinic because they both had the name of a city in their title.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:31 PM
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If living with a man, by default, is an incredibly bad deal and likely to get you screwed over, it's only logical to look for traits that indicate that you'll be less likely to be screwed over. So, the behavior of modern women makes sense, but only if we take an incredibly misandrist view of men in general. Even then, what is it about liking tall men with pretty faces that makes women "less likely to be screwed over"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:04 AM
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So how does this math work out? Do fat men who are taller than average get to date fit women? Do older women need to date short, fat young men? Inevitably I see this argument devolve into the idea that there are desirable and undesirable traits for both men and women, but since there's more categories for men that means a larger share of men are undesirable, and it's justification from fat women that men who are desirable in all the traits she cares about need to date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:51 AM
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Why are so many people on this sub upset that fit men don't want to date fat women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:02 PM
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I've seen worse on this sub in public comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:33 AM
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That's not what I said. I'm sorry, I took your vague reference to an un-provided source and assumed you meant something relevant to the discussion. I won't make that mistake again. Why don't you explain clearly what data you're referencing and why it means sexlessness in the past year jumping from 15% of young men to 25% of young men isn't cause for concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:05 PM
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When did they do the study and how has that percentage changed in the last couple of years? Sexlessness in the past year jumped from around 15% in 2018 to around 25% in 2022 for men. If the 50% number came after 2022, then for all of these newly-sexless men to be voluntarily so, you would need that voluntary number from 2018 to be only 1 in 6. If the percentage of single men not looking for a relationship went from 1 in 6 to 1 in 2 in 4 years, that's a pretty drastic shift for there to be no evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:03 AM
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If a husband and wife team up to rape and murder a dozen people, should they avoid jail time if they have a kid? You're acting like this is some unusual situation when it's not, it's the same as any other crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:55 AM
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Yeah, if you limit your sample to only the men who make headlines for committing sexual assault, then all lonely men commit sexual assault! Luckily, we have other data: https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex From 2018 to 2022 there's a huge jump for both men and women for sexlessness in the past 3 months, but for men there is a similar jump in sexlessness in the past year, while for women that stat is mostly flat. Scrolling down, we see by numbers of partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:36 AM
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If the problem was personality and attitude, the men I know who struggle the most wouldn't have so many female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:20 PM
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We understand that a balanced diet needs some amount of carbs, protein, and fat, but when it comes to social interactions for some reason we assume it's all the same thing? I think to be socially healthy, most people need close friendships / family relationships, a wider community to interact with, and a romantic partner. It's really hard and not usually healthy to ignore any one of those and just substitute with the others. If you have a partner and a couple close friends but always interact wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:15 PM
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But you are not going to go to jail or be socially damaged or whatever by approaching respectfully. This is simply not true, at least for asking out women in your larger social circle. If you get rejected by 2 or 3 women who are just socially connected enough to know each other, you will be rejected by every other woman who knows those women. You can tell, just ask women in stable, long-term relationships how many women that they know rejected their boyfriend/husband before he asked her out. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:39 AM
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Who is "they"? The manosphere types, or the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:35 AM
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Or the assumption is that's a different audience. I went rafting once and they gave us a safety demo beforehand, but never talked about cleaning and storing guns. Are they stupid, do they not know guns are dangerous? No, they just know we are rafting, not using guns. Being wary of men with too many casual partners is advice for women, not men, and the men receiving manosphere advice are not the ones with a bunch of casual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:45 PM
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If men had an app to post about whether women they've dated hit them sometimes it would quickly become useless because it would just be a list of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:34 PM
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The real difference between mainstream sentiment and real life is the idea that looks matter more to men than to women. Maybe that used to be true, but post-pandemic women's looks standards are so narrow they have much more of an effect than men's looks standards for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:07 AM
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It's an emoji and a belittling comment that does nothing to address the argument at hand, because you know you have no solid argument to stand on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:12 PM
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So angry... sorry if something I said hit too close to home.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:11 PM
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In reality B will have more success, because most women are B, while the only women who are A are severely obese / well below average in physical attractiveness themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:05 AM
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The normal makeup women wear will rarely be a deal breaker for a man. When did I say anything different? I said men care more about A than B, and you disagree because B is not a dealbreaker? You're agreeing with me...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:04 PM
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If a woman can wear form fitting clothes that make her waste look small and her face movie star beautiful, she may not be the most beautiful woman at the bar but she can get attention like she is by selling the look. That's the problem, she cannot do that. That's why I said: Women upgrade their appearance when they can go to the doctor for a yearly check-up and not hear about the dangers of being overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:02 PM
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The mods have to pick and choose because plenty of the mods are guilty of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:18 AM
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Stated vs revealed preferences, the men don't care enough for it to change which women they pursue. For example, I could tell you that I would prefer a partner who doesn't snore. I'm not trying to make myself look good with this preference or signal how good and moral I am, and it honestly would make my life better to have a partner who doesn't snore. But, it's not something that changes who I swipe on with dating apps, it doesn't change who I flirt with in my expanded social circle, it doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:25 PM
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They don't dislike it but don't care enough for it to change which women they choose. Men aren't lining up to date the obese cheerleader instead of the fit girl next door wearing little to no makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:20 PM
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become able to get jobs and make their own money The problem is these are two very different things for modern women. It's amazing how many 30 year old women have a negative net worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:11 PM
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Women upgrade their appearance when they can go to the doctor for a yearly check-up and not hear about the dangers of being overweight. Hair and makeup are how women signal beauty to each other, they have very little impact on dating. It's akin to men saying they need to spend a bunch of time learning fantasy football strategies because women say they want an intelligent partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:03 PM
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Solid vetting technique by that 37 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:16 PM
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Women's choices account for like 120% of the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:14 PM
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I posted about the stuff you linked to, that's not bad faith. Your contention is "this totally exists, just trust me bro, I don't need to show anything to back it up." If you think that's fine to post in a debate sub, you should probably educate yourself better on how debate works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:07 PM
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You claimed they had these follow ups, then didn't post any. That's your claim. I'm not finding the evidence for your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:58 PM
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If you think there's a follow-up that disproves my initial statement, feel free to post it. I don't want to log in and pollute my IG algorithm with grifter dating coaches. I'm not doing your research for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:16 AM
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Yes, you said something, provided no evidence, and claim it's my responsibility to come up with evidence to prove your point. Perhaps debate subs aren't really for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:28 PM
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And yet you don't want to post any as evidence... Why do PPD women and white knights think it's my responsibility to research their arguments for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:07 PM
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I'm so glad we have the weekly threads to avoid people spamming the same post every day with slightly different words.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:20 PM
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If those "tangible improvements" were enough to lead to happy, healthy relationships, why don't they show that? You never answered this point. Probably because there is no good answer, that the work these men put in doesn't lead to the relationships they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:17 PM
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I said your replies come off like you’re hating to hate. And the only reasoning you gave for that assessment is... nothing. Maybe because you seem incapable of actually addressing the point I made. The sub has "debate" in the name, don't get mad at me if you cannot engage in honest debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:46 PM
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It's funny how all the women and white knights on this sub constantly complaining about misogyny are nowhere to be found in the post saying women are stupid and cannot be expected to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:29 PM
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If those "tangible improvements" were enough to lead to happy, healthy relationships, why don't they show that? It's a grift because you don't need to spend money to buy a fitted shirt and suit jacket and find a decent diet and workout program online. Like I said. I think you’re just hating to hate I'm talking about the post, you're talking about me. Why is it PPD women are absolutely incapable of having a debate without making things personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:47 AM
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He also, in the above linked posts, talks about their immediate tangible dating app results (more matches). Exactly my point. Showing the men in a happy relationship with an attractive woman would be the best advertising for his business. Instead, he's talking about the number of matches they have. People who can spot grifters know what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:43 PM
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Because I do not have a statistically perfect view of the world at large, I'm not a researcher, and certainly not a researcher with groundbreaking studies across multiple questions in the realm of dating. What I do know is my larger social circle and the people I interact with. What I see, largely, are single men who are interested in the women that they know and talk to and spend time with, and women who are waiting for some Prince Charming who is more attractive than all the men they know and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:29 AM
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I know you meant this as hyperbole, but that is a looksmatched couple according to PPD women who say your looksmatch is who you can attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:00 AM
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I'm sure somewhere there are women or blue pill men who can do math, just not on this sub I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:56 AM
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Go read the comparison again. Go slow, focus on which things I was actually comparing and what my message was.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:55 AM
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There are certainly things that men can do, just don't be surprised if the men who look like the "after" versions of these transformations don't want women who are overweight, single mothers, highly in debt, or significantly older than them. Notice how none of those videos show any of the men with a girlfriend. Imagine: a guy posting on social media about how his coaching can help men get relationships, and yet no posting of his success stories in relationships. Shouldn't that be the easiest way…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:54 AM
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Damn, I didn't realize OP was all men, my bad. It's getting the most attention because grifters figured out And plenty of people make millions off programs for the homeless in California, that doesn't mean homelessness isn't a problem. Grifters way more often push things that don't solve real problems than convince people of problems that don't exist. The former is way easier to do. You can go an entire lifetime without sex and not die. Religious people do it all the time. Is acute fatality the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:10 AM
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Yes, messing with someone's birth control is sexual assault and you're making a joke about it. I know you've been told elsewhere in your life that so long as the underlying punch line is "men bad", a joke cannot be offensive, but those aren't the rules I play by.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:44 PM
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Sure but again, you'll notice these red and black pillers are focused on only one of those things. Are you sure? What I see are young men who want long term relationships focused on the part of the process they're failing at. Or in the case of black pill, trying to conversion therapy themselves into being asexual, but that's a different issue. if you have social supports but no romance or sex, you'll have arguably the least low quality of life out of the 3 options Sure, but that's becoming the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:37 PM
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Nope, young women are more likely to hold negative views of young men than vice versa. Women weren't "desperate enough to need a man" in the 2010s either, but things have horribly degraded since then. Young women today are as privileged and sexist as their fathers and grandfathers, while young men are as discriminated against as their mothers and grandmothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:29 PM
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Calories don't only come in the form of fat, but if you eat a diet without enough fat you will see negative health impacts. Healthy adults need friendships, romantic connection, and sex. You cannot force anyone else to provide you with any of those three, but you will have a lower quality of life if any of them are missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:19 PM
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I think you have the causation backwards. We're raising a generation of young men that hate women the way trans people hate republicans.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:59 PM
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I don't follow this point. Of course you don't, because it disproves your other points. Attractive women on dating apps easily get 30 matches per week. I agree there are many women who could, not necessarily many who do. If the woman is attractive and can be selective, only liking 1-2% of men, she would need to swipe thousands of times per week even if 100% of the men like her back, all to get more matches in a week than she has time to meet with. Why would she do that? It's a lot of work just t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:52 PM
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I think you're overestimating the number of matches those women have, and how many of those matches are men with 30 matches per week. We know from dating app data that the number of men overall getting consistent matches is smaller than the number of women getting consistent matches. If you have a group of people engaging in this sort of dating but it's 3-4 women for every 1 man, you could never get a scenario where all those women enter long term committed relationships with those sorts of men,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:26 PM
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This is the difference in perspective though. From your perspective you might have dated any of them in a long term relationship, but if your numbers are correct that's ~30 women per week, or 1500 women per year. You can only marry 1 person, so the chances of any of these women who matched with you marrying you round to 0%, less than 1 in 1000, and that's just looking over the course of a single year.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:13 PM
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Sorry, I don't engage with users whose flair is a joke about sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:01 PM
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Do feminine people mostly hang out and socialize with other feminine people? Why do you think you needed to intentionally ignore half my comment to respond to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:00 PM
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It's because whatever this new black pill / red pill movement has become is less about trying to succeed in dating and more akin to trying to overcome an addiction. It's men looking at how dating and relationships have impacted their lives as a whole and concluding the whole thing is negative, like smoking or being addicted to gambling. They're attempting to overwrite their natural sexuality with a feeling of disgust for women. Think akin to conversion therapy, but trying to turn themselves asex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:04 PM
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If this sub changed the rules such that advocating for fit men to date fat women was considered incel rhetoric, half the sub's power users would be banned within a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:59 PM
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The easy answer that women hate is just look around at who you interact with. It doesn't need to be someone who's in like your 5 closest friends, but for the most part people date within their larger social group. If you want an athletic partner, you should be an athlete yourself doing athletic hobbies with your athletic friends. If you want an artsy partner, same thing. If you want a partner into clubbing and partying, same thing. Maybe occasionally there will be someone super unattractive whom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:58 PM
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OF has definitely been the target of male ire in a way that other porn never was. I'm not sure that's hypocrisy though, I would say the vast majority of men have watched porn but have not subscribed to any OF models. It's akin to saying women who shame men that lie about wanting long term commitment but ghost after sex hate all men who date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:46 PM
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Understanding that nuance can exist, but you can still make broad generalizations based on population-level trends is not compatible with the trolls on here who like to pretend to not understand things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:21 PM
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I love how you can tell which users abuse the rule against blocking by replying, blocking, and then unblocking so their replies don't show up as notifications but you also can't see that someone has blocked you. They think they're slick but then you realize the "glitch" only happens with one user so....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:12 PM
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the irony though is that the pill people are the ones who are fixated on women This is a fundamental misunderstanding of red pill. If this were true it would morph to become things that are actually useful in dating. Red pill is about men looking inward at their own lives, feeling dissatisfied, and throwing every change they possibly could make at the wall to see what sticks. It doesn't matter whether the changes work, it's the idea that if they want to feel different they cannot just do the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:48 AM
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They sound a little different, but in practical terms "if they wanted to, they would", and "my failure to communicate is their fault" are the same sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:43 AM
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Does making a caricature of red pill influencers that emphasizes unchangeable genetic traits count as black pill content? Like, it sucks knowing that while there are things about myself I can work on, I cannot change that I share a couple of what you and women consider the most ridicule-worthy traits of Andrew Fucking Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:40 AM
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If it was a debate sub users with like 20+ infractions of breaking the civility rule would be banned. Just more evidence that this sub is fundamentally a hate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:04 PM
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Forget never used before: millennials who did successfully use online dating like pre-2016 are so out of touch with how things work today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:54 PM
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For all the rules about what you can't talk about on this sub, I like how the premise that if men struggle with dating, they must be developmentally disabled is totally reasonable and fine to say. Just more evidence that this sub is fundamentally a hate sub rather than a debate sub about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:49 PM
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I never said they worked or made people's lives better, just that they give women something that those women don't want to give up. I think women would be happier in loving relationships than waiting for some mythical Prince Charming, but I don't have power to force women into those relationships. Women are free to live less happy lives if that's their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:26 PM
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The problem with getting rid of dating apps is that women would be limited to dating the men they actually interact with. Dating in 2026 is generally men who would be happy to date the women they know and talk to, and women who are waiting for Prince Charming to enter into their lives. Dating apps bridge the gap, they allow women to interact with men who make more money, are more active, have more vibrant social lives, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:38 AM
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It's more about men growing up thinking looks only matter to women as much as they do to men. Men think that since they find almost all fit, well-put-together women at least generally attractive, that women feel the same about men. They cannot wrap their minds around the idea that women go through daily life seeing hundreds of men over a month or two and only find 1 or 2 attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:25 AM
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Makes sense. It's like how neurodivergent women who lack social skills are more drawn to reality TV shows that are similarly over the top and played up for the sake of the show.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:49 PM
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My comments are all pretty empathetic. No, they aren't, and I'm sorry if you lack the social skills to understand that. Your suggestion (which is a type of request), is that since other options do not seem viable, that men should ignore a fundamental human emotion and desire. Empathy doesn't mean you need to advocation for some other solution, but it does mean you need to understand that fundamental emotion and understand that it is not easily given up. It requires that you understand giving up …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:18 AM
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I think something people miss about stated vs revealed preferences is that the difference isn't just whether someone is lying about what they want, but also whether someone is actually using that as a criterion to pursue or break up with someone. For example, I would like for my partner not to snore. I'm not virtue signaling my desire for someone who doesn't snore, I'm not lying to myself about it, I honestly would prefer it. But I'm not really using it as a filter. It doesn't change who I swipe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:10 AM
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But ironically those same guys tend to shift towards red pill bros and then get even more whiny. Why is that ironic? Guys aren't getting the outcome they want, therefore they change strategies, and then it still doesn't work. We would empathize with anyone running into that result in anything other than dating. I think because they're still focused on one goal, and when I suggest figuring something else out I mean maybe widening your life focus instead of doubling down harder. I'm not sure this …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:53 AM
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But yeah, if at a certain point what you're trying isn't working, you have to figure something else out. I mean, this thought is exactly why red pill / manosphere grifters exist. Their stuff doesn't work, but they do a good job at identifying the type of men who have the least success in dating and telling them to change everything about themselves that they could possibly change.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:14 AM
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I'll ask again: are you unable or unwilling to read and understand my comments? The amount of healthy infants whose parents are willing to give up custody that go into foster care is virtually zero in the US. There are way more people looking to adopt than infants up for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:40 PM
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This rant just proves my point: Men want equality, women want the power to oppress.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:54 PM
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Men wanting financial abortions isn't about "dumping responsibilities on women," it's about having equal control over whether to accept those responsibilities himself to what women have. Women already have the opportunity to avoid a lifetime commitment AND give the child a loving home AND help parents who cannot conceive to have a family. You want to avoid helping the child and the adoptive parents in favor of hurting the man. Men want equality, women want the power to oppress. No wonder there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:29 AM
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Lol, that is some advanced misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:06 AM
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There is a massive shortage of healthy infants available for adoption. So much so, that there are black markets that essentially steal infants from poorer countries in order to sell them to couples looking to adopt. Were you unable to understand this part or just unwilling to engage with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:12 PM
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Women also want to have the right to a financial/ paper abortion. Women already have this. The issues with the foster care system are mostly with older children who are not eligible for adoption because they may be returned to their bio parents if those parents meet certain criteria. There is a massive shortage of healthy infants available for adoption. So much so, that there are black markets that essentially steal infants from poorer countries in order to sell them to couples looking to adopt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:11 PM
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80% of organ donors are women Not in the US, where organ donation is consistently higher from men than from women. Your numbers are only true for India.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:41 PM
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https://genius.com/Tinashe-no-broke-boys-lyrics https://genius.com/Tlc-no-scrubs-lyrics What's the most popular song by a male artist calling out women he isn't attracted to? Misandry is so normalized it doesn't even register to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:08 AM
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I've said this in other comments and I think it's relevant here: If there's a problem between me and all women, it probably isn't an issue with all women, it's probably an issue with me. But the other side is also true: If there's a dating issue between all of the single women I know and all of the single men I know, the problem isn't just me. My experience with dating the last half decade is that the women I think would be good matches aren't dating anyone. There are couples who met pre-2020 wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:26 AM
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It's mostly who you hang out with and spend time with. There's obviously some variability within groups, but for the most part people match up. The fit athletic people do fit athletic people things with other fit athletic people. The obese people who can only sit and watch stuff sit and watch with other obese people. If there's some mythical group with all women who are 6-8 out of 10 and all men who are only 3-5 out of 10, that needs to somehow be matched by an opposite group of attractive men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:09 AM
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There are no ugly women, only fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:22 AM
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If one person tells me "I caught fish this way in this river 15 years ago", and another tells me "I went there yesterday, all the fish are dead because they put in a factory that dumps chemicals in that river", I'm not going to fish there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:16 AM
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I assume that when someone feels the need to change from debating about dating in general to talking about me specifically, they either aren't very smart or don't have any meaningful argument they can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:28 PM
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take a casual glance outside to see the men and women meeting, coupling up and being happy. This is sort of the problem. Looking around in my own life and from what I can see in survey data, this isn't so much something that's currently happening as something that used to happen. I know a lot of couples who met before 2020 in all sorts of different ways. I know a few couples who met since then while in college. And... that's sort of it. Looking at how the last 6 years have gone, if you get to ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:52 AM
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The personal insults are the goal of this sub, so long as they're directed at struggling men. That's why it's against the rules for me to block a user who has had like 20 comments removed for rule 2 violations directed at me. And I know I'm not the only one targeted by that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:13 PM
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Is it trusting men less or trusting situations less? This is the man vs bear debate in a nutshell: it's stupid and sexist to say the man is worse than the bear, but it's just stupid to hike alone in the woods. Modern feminism is the idea that women cannot make stupid choices because there should always be a man or the government to bail her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:55 PM
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Some men do pay child support for kids they were forced to have. Male rape victims can be forced to pay child support to their rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:40 PM
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I mean, your debate style seems to be saying "nu uh" to what I say and giving no reason as to why you disagree, so we're bound to go in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:44 PM
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It's because they don't see men as people, more like machines. If my printer doesn't work properly and I don't know of an easy fix, I throw it out and get a new printer. The printer hasn't chosen to break, it's not a morally bad printer, but because its value is entirely in its utility to me, a broken printer is worthless. Women have been taught to view men solely based on what they can provide to others and what they can do for others, so a man not providing some benefit is just like a broken p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:30 PM
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I agree, you can be agreeable by being agreeable. I'm not sure how that means women find it attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:22 PM
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That's effectively what black pill is. Straight men effectively are chemically addicted to sex with women, black pill is men attempting to conversion therapy themselves into being asexual. It's about as ineffective and harmful as any other instance of conversion therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:14 AM
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I'll change my theory when the evidence changes. As I said, being disagreeable by itself isn't enough, there are plenty of other characteristics you need to have that we consider morally good. But I don't think just being agreeable by itself is a virtue, you can get there just by avoiding conflict and hiding any opinions that might make people upset. If "nice" isn't a virtue, is it so hard to believe that women find the extreme of it unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:11 AM
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Imagine explaining that being pleasant is a negative. I know. I can't give you an explanation for why, I just see the 'what' of the trend. Considering you're explaining that being pleasant is a bag thing in dating, I doubt I'd have the same opinion if I actually met them. Why do you think you'd disagree with the women I know? These men are generally well thought of by the women, just as friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:44 AM
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Sure, could happen. But what I see is who these men are, the positive qualities they have, and the lack of success they have in dating. I also see the women that struggle, and their primary issue is that they are not interested in anyone they talk to in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:40 AM
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Yes, having that trait with everyone, not just the woman in question, is seen as a net negative by women in dating. The common behavioral trait among the men I know with the least dating success is that they are the most agreeable men I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:27 AM
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Height, hair thinning/balding, facial features.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:23 AM
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Had a thought based on a conversation in another thread that didn't fit that thread's topic... The single men I know, almost exclusively, know and talk with women they would be willing to date. Not necessarily all of the women they know, but they have defined crushes they can name. The single women, if they were asked out by every single guy they've talked with in person in the last 3 months, wouldn't say yes to any of them. Occasionally there will be some guy in the group all of them flirt with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:22 AM
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Who said I wanted YOUR definition? It's a debate sub, you implied my definition was wrong by saying I was misunderstanding, then asked me to go find evidence to prove you correct. I don't know what you disagree with about my definition, just that you disagree and want me to do the work of arguing your position. Sorry, I'm not doing your mental load. But somehow they can't find any woman to like them? Well, first things first, are they trying to go out and meet people? How are their social skills…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:57 AM
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Evil gerrymandering is when republicans in TN split up Memphis the same way democrats in IL and MA split up Chicago and Boston.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:37 PM
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I gave you my definition already: Agreeable people try to avoid conflict, even if it means sacrificing their goals; disagreeable people tend to prioritize their own goals and do not care if that creates conflict. You apparently disagree, but won't give a clear answer on how or why. Or if you do agree with that definition, why say: You guys aren’t understanding what women like me are telling you. And how does saying that men do know good women they have things in common with not relate to you say…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:09 PM
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the projected florida map slaps together communities with very different needs. That's sort of the problem: the Democratic party needs that in order to have representatives anywhere close to their popular vote totals. Urban areas are more blue and rural/suburban areas more red, but the urban areas are more blue than the rural/suburban areas are red. The easiest way for republicans to gerrymander is to create geographically-small, population-dense districts in large cities that will be nearly 100…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:44 PM
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I don't appreciate feigning ignorance as a way to avoid debate, if that's your play here, I'm done responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:26 PM
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What objectively makes a district "heavily gerrymandered"? Because the projected Florida map looks a lot more reasonable than the Virginia map.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:21 PM
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You guys aren’t understanding what women like me are telling you. A guy who thinks like that is deeply unappealing, personality wise. If you were walking down the street with your boyfriend and someone walking the other way shoulder checked you, would you want your boyfriend to say anything? You seem to have your own definition of agreeable which both doesn't match the common definition and that you are unwilling to state directly. Because how is it that they only know awful women that have noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:14 PM
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Agreeableness means to be pleasant and agreeable, socially. Part of being agreeable socially is to care about harmony. Agreeable and agreeableness are positives. Sure, harmony is great if you also get the outcomes you want. The question is what happens when those outcomes would mean conflict with other people? If you want a raise at work, are you willing to go up to your boss and say, "I deserve a raise"? That will somewhat break harmony, your boss doesn't want to pay you more for the work you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:54 PM
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I agree that individual instances of rejection aren't that bad, with the caveat that it comes from asking out someone well outside of your social circle. The problem with being rejected by a woman you know is that you become basically undatable to any other woman who knows she rejected you. You can test this pretty easily: ask women in marriages or stable, long-term relationships how many of them knew of a woman who rejected her boyfriend/husband before she started dating him. Not like, did he a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:45 PM
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How would you know? Because they claimed to be? No, because as I said I see how they interact with other people they aren't interested in dating. It's literally the second half of the sentence you partially quoted. Agreeableness is one of the Big 5 personality traits, it's pretty consistent across interactions with different people. Agreeable people try to avoid conflict, even if it means sacrificing their goals; disagreeable people tend to prioritize their own goals and do not care if that crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:29 PM
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A common problem I see with men complaining they have no options is that they don’t see the value of being agreeable unless it guarantees them sex or romance. A woman who cares more about character is not interested in a guy with that type of attitude. They typically want a man who is pleasant, considerate, and respectful as a default, not part of a transaction. This is hilariously wrong. The men who have little to no options are way more likely to be agreeable, including with other men, older w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:10 PM
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Either one is a red flag. I wouldn't hire someone for a career position if they had left 12 jobs in the last 9 years looking for better opportunities. Especially if I have no way of knowing if they actually left on their own or were fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:45 PM
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The height thing is women having anxiety about how they compare to other women. The heights of their male partners are just an easy and visible things to compare. If every man had his IQ stamped on his forehead, IQ would be more important than height.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:43 PM
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You had to mock because you knew the data you provided did not back up your argument. You still can't, so you do more mocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:41 PM
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You said I was catastrophizing for thinking 24 is nearly double 13. But 24 is nearly double 13, that's just math. Why does math make you so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:34 PM
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You gave me the data, it matched my argument, then you got mad and tried saying 24% and 13% were the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:07 PM
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Your answer was the same change in methodology I called out in my question and that 24 minus 13 is 11. Neither of those answer the question. Just more mocking and name calling and deflection. Answer the question or admit defeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:04 AM
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More comments, no answer to my question. Here it is again, from the very beginning: I dare you to find any data that says sexlessness is a "similar percentage" between young men and young women that isn't from before the pandemic. The only one I've seen had a massive change in methodology for the only data point that supported this claim. I still don't have an answer, just excuses about how nearly double should count as "similar" for [no reason given].
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:51 AM
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Two people both get really silent and resort to personal attacks when asked why the difference is important and not the quotient. No answer yet on why the "difference" means something isn't significant. No answer yet on any other stat where 24% and 13% doesn't represent a significant difference. Just our resident troll resorting to mocking because he lost a debate on a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:40 AM
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Funniest feature with Instagram is you can see which reels your friends like. It's a good way to learn that your female friends are way more sexist than your male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:32 AM
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This sub is primarily a hate sub for people who want to antagonize men on the autism spectrum. Once you understand that, the behavior of the moderators and power users will start to make more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:28 AM
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Yeah, women have been really quiet about the Stefon Diggs case. It is funny what details about the JP Morgan case are keeping our normal White Knights from bringing it up...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:25 AM
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You cannot debate the argument, except this strange idea that nearly double isn't significant, so you attack me directly. It's painfully obvious. That's why you've had dozens of comments just directed at me removed for breaking the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:23 AM
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My response is whether something is significant or not. You started with the name calling, as always.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:38 AM
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Cool. Why does "difference" matter and not "quotient"? The response was about whether nearly double was significant or not. Do you honestly believe there is no significant difference between 24% and 13%, in anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:34 AM
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24 / 13 = 1.84
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:34 PM
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This is the difference between "natural selection" and "sexual selection". https://thisvsthat.io/natural-selection-vs-sexual-selection Women being more dependent on men shifted things more towards natural selection, women's rights and stronger welfare systems shift them more towards sexual selection. This isn't to say either is like morally good or bad, just that we are undergoing a change from more one way to more the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:18 PM
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The problem is how you got to 11%. Is a 65 lb dumbbell 11% more than a 45 lb dumbbell? One is 25% of my body weight, the other is 36%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:12 PM
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The original question was whether percentages should be compared by how different they are relative to each other, or how different they are relative to the whole. Does 3% vs 1% matter because it's 3x as high, or not matter because it's "only 2% different"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:48 PM
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If 3% of women died due to intimate partner violence and 1% of men did, is that a significant difference because it's 3X as high for women or basically the same because it's only 2% different?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:35 PM
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That is how percentages work. 13% x 1.84 = 24%, so 24% is 84% higher than 13%. Let's say I weigh 180 lbs and can do bicep curls with 45 lb dumbbells in each hand, so 25% of my body weight. If I work out a lot and get to the point that I can curl 90 lb dumbbells in each hand, am I moving 25% more weight or 100% more weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:32 PM
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But the difference wasn't between 24 and 26, it was between 24 and 13. 24 is 84% higher than 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:17 PM
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That's worse, you think it's ok for a 24 year old to date a 13 year old? Gross man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:57 PM
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Q4W: would you date a man twice as old as you? I've been told it's catastrophizing to think a number being double another number is a significant difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:50 PM
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If double means basically the same, why doesn't your meme picture show double? It's not "catastrophizing", it's having a basic understanding of how numbers work. And there's no "ebb and flow" if the only data for one side is from a single instance where they changed data collection methods, and nothing else has been able to replicate the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:44 PM
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I don't think that rate is delusional for republican men. Trump is old, but is a big dude if he's fighting other grandpas. I do think that rate is delusional for democratic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:14 PM
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I asked if you had any data to support your claim. You gave one link that stated, in the link itself, that it should not be used to support that claim. The second straight up said something different than you said. The third I agreed with... because it also does not support your claim. Anyways, here's male virginity and sexlessness in the past year being roughly 50% higher than the rate for women: https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex Why do you think you we…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:11 PM
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From your first link: We shouldn’t declare the sex recession over based on just a single year of data—especially a single year that relied on new survey methods—and a fairly small sub-sample of 229 respondents. So as I said: The only one I've seen had a massive change in methodology for the only data point that supported this claim. For your second link, nowhere does it separate sexlessness between young men and young women, just that the combined rate is 25%. The 2/3rds single poll makes sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:01 PM
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It's 25% of republican men that picked Trump to win the fight. I'd guess a third of republican men are grandpas. The better question is how many of the democratic women who cannot do a pushup or run a 40 yard dash without stopping to walk are accurate in their assessment that they could beat Trump in a fight?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:55 PM
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I dare you to find any data that says sexlessness is a "similar percentage" between young men and young women that isn't from before the pandemic. The only one I've seen had a massive change in methodology for the only data point that supported this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:57 PM
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They don't want a wife, or they haven't found a woman who meets their non-physical requirements? Or is this like podcast guys talking about what other men view as wife material?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:23 PM
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Men want sex with women they are physically attracted to and relationships with women they are physically, emotionally, and intellectually attracted to. The difference between men and women is that every woman a guy considers wife material is also hookup material, for women there are some men who are only one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:54 PM
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To be clear I was asking for dating app data specifically, I thought that was clear. This feels like goalpost shifting. You're the one saying anything that disagrees with your conclusions doesn't count, and offering no data to the contrary. When you're moving your own goalposts it will feel like the ones on the other side are getting further away... The guy you're quoting say "no women (at all)" so he's losing a ton of credibility in this single sentence What do you mean "the guy you're quoting"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:51 PM
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I mean, as I said earlier in the thread: Now, I don't think all women fit this meme, but there are enough that do for it to impact the overall dating market. And: So from 2018 to 2022, 10% of the population in their 20s and 30s went from being in committed relationships with each other, to the men not having sex at all and the women occasionally having sex with an imperceptibly small percentage of men. I'm not sure what to say if you think data that doesn't fit your conclusions is made up or you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:02 AM
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Here's some background: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/03/scott-galloway-masculinity-crisis-notes-on-being-a-man Here's the clip: https://www.instagram.com/p/DKATfCOi-nz/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:31 AM
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This is a thing I always see in discussion of ugly women dating average guys or chads Where do you see these discussions? I only see them on here from people who for some reason are upset that fit men want to date fit women, not fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:46 PM
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I have yet to see any dating app data that doesn't support this. Latest is the claim from Scott Galloway that the average man needs to swipe / like 1000 times for every first date he actually goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:38 PM
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There's a bunch of dating app data, and of course the testimonials from women themselves about how rarely they encounter a man they are actually attracted to. But maybe you think women are, at a population level, too stupid to use dating apps optimally for their own benefit and absolute liars when it comes to recounting how attraction works for them in real life. In that case, the biggest piece of evidence is just how strong of a shift we've seen in sexlessness since the pandemic. https://ifstud…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:04 PM
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Peer reviewed, scientific evidence about how women behave is misoginystic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:47 PM
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But they don't dress exactly the same, they dress broadly the same. As I said, culture is in the subtlety and nuance. You see it in things you encounter often and know a lot about, but miss it in things you don't understand as well. You're labeling your own ignorance as them lacking cultural intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:43 AM
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Perhaps this is where male invisibility comes from: I cannot tell a bunch of short-haired, bearded, white men in polos and khakis apart. I mean, isn't this just an example of lacking cultural intelligence? There is a huge difference between any old polo you can get from the Gap, a corporate branded polo from some white collar conference, certain brands of cotton polos that are more punk/skater aesthetic, and the "performance" polos that advertise with youtube golf brands and fit with a more laid…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:26 PM
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The idea behind 80-20 isn't that each individual woman likes the same 20% of men. Rather that an individual woman might only like 1% of men, but across many different women their individual 1%'s will combine to about 20% of men, with 80% of men being none of the women's type. Small overlap in what women are attracted to, strong overlap in what they aren't attracted to. Now, I don't think all women fit this meme, but there are enough that do for it to impact the overall dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:30 PM
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Yeah, here's a link to the actual study, relevant table on page 34: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-12-699.pdf The data is only for people aged 50+, as far as I can tell does not include child support or alimony payments, looks at household income so will be different for people who remarry vs those who stay single, and looks at all years after the divorce happens, so a man still working into his 70s to pay alimony to a retired ex-wife would count as positive income for him, but no income for her…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:47 PM
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Divorced men are more likely to remarry compared to women Yes, because they need the economic help of split rent. Divorced women don't, because their bills are being paid by the ex husband. they also fair better financially than divorced women Got a source on this? The last time I saw this sourced it excluded any alimony or child support payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:25 PM
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Divorce for women means you get a fresh start with someone else paying your rent. Divorce for men means you need to pay double rent. Our legal system prioritizes women first, children second, men last.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:10 PM
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What exactly were you expecting? Why does changing style not count as changing style because it's just changing style?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:39 AM
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I have a great test case for this with style because I meet a bunch of people through a rec sports league that I'm in. For most of those, you don't have much choice on style, everyone wears athletic shorts/pants and the team shirts the city running the league hands out. But then occasionally I will meet with the same people for other events, like a concert or improv club or somebody's birthday, where I'm able to choose my own style which is more mature and refined than athletic t-shirt. That's w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:45 AM
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As I said above: I've certainly had women compliment me on different outfits that didn't want to date me. That's the other side of a bunch of these debates: women and blue-pillers arguing something hypothetically might work against men who have actually tried the thing saying it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:05 AM
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Most men will never be lucky enough to have a woman like me. Easy bar to clear. If you never hit your partner most men will never be lucky enough to have a partner like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:38 AM
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This happens with a lot of advice on this forum: something hypothetically works on women, but if you ask women to put their hand up if it worked on them, you get crickets.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:36 AM
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How many men have you dated who you originally turned down after he changed his style or haircut? Doesn't count if he also got in shape or made other changes. This happens with a lot of advice on this forum: something hypothetically works on women, but if you ask women to put their hand up if it worked on them, you get crickets. There's a huge gap between how women want other women to behave in dating, and how an individual woman wants to behave herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:22 AM
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Wearing designer clothes would certainly attract a different type of woman than wearing good fitting basic stuff. Again, I don't think "attract" is the right word here. Women might appreciate guys with a certain style, but it's not changing their decision on whether or not to date him. I've certainly had women compliment me on different outfits that didn't want to date me. If I see someone out wearing a jersey from my university sports team I might give them a "go team!", I will like seeing them…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:41 PM
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I can't control women's behavior. I know which things they objectify men based on, and it's not clothes and haircuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:29 PM
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Maybe this is the confusion between bad hurting and good helping: I think being very bad in either of these things can hurt, but once you get the very basics down anything additional doesn't really help. If you go and get a bowl cut or a bad combover or something that hurts, but a normal haircut vs something fancy and expensive isn't changing anyone's mind. Similar with style: sweatpants and cheap super hero t-shirts are bad, but fitted designer fashion vs buying the right sized shirt from what …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:27 PM
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and they’d appreciate it in men That's the problem, they only appreciate it in men they were already attracted to. Or they appreciate it, but not in a way that changes whether they would date those men. Any effort above very basic hygiene has as much benefit in dating as whether or not I won my fantasy football league last year: basically nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:20 PM
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Because it doesn't help. For any woman you're interested in, if you're in the small percentage of men she finds attractive, you just need to meet basic minimums of style and grooming. If she doesn't find you attractive, going all out on style and grooming won't change that. This also isn't like unique to women, men work mostly the same way with women they're interested in. The work and effort women put into style and grooming is almost exclusively for other women. Men's standards for other men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:44 PM
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Their argument is that (some) women choose to overlook asshole behavior cause the guy is hot, and then tell the uggos he can’t get laid because of the same asshole behavior. I'd say not just this, there's also an issue of survivorship bias. There are both nice hot men and asshole hot men, both of whom will have a lot of dating options. Women tend to stay with the nice ones if they can keep them, and will be more likely to break up with the assholes. So the older you get, the more likely a single…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:00 AM
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A lot of women got into relationships pre-2020. I don't know if it's dating app usage or social media or smut books or what, but all the women I know dating intelligent guys have been in those relationships for years now. The women who were single in 2020 are mostly still single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:44 PM
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Red pill guys are mostly mad that women DO behave like a predictable single entity...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:41 PM
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A higher percentage of women borrow federal student loans than men, borrow higher amounts, and pay them back at a lower amount per month than men as well. Men have paid off a significant portion of their student loans since 2009. Women have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:38 PM
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There's varying degrees of financial irresponsibility. I know plenty of men who are broke, in that they don't really have savings and spend all the money they bring in. I also know men who spend pretty heavily but have solid savings because they make enough to cover their spending. Most of the people I know who are completely screwed are women, since they are more likely to have large student loan balances they cannot afford to pay down, so the balance just grows month to month. I'm in my mid 30…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:21 PM
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Intervene how? I'm not at Weshaun's house when he invites the massage therapist over and exposes himself. This is just more examples of women not wanting to do math: when the number of men committing these acts are so small, it's much easier for other men to never have seen it from their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:11 PM
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I'm not math-ing my way out of people's experiences, I'm saying that math provides undeniable evidence that you shouldn't judge all men based on those experiences. Men have this problem where they assume women are morally good and cannot be incredibly sexist, so they assume that if they eliminate the misunderstanding women will stop acting incredibly sexist. But the reality is that women are naturally sexist, and you cannot logic them out of a position they did not logic their way into.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:07 AM
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and yall still find ways to minimize the behaviour Anyone who can do math will minimize the behavior. I totally get that a lot of women are on the receiving end of these behaviors, but that doesn't mean that a lot of men are committing these behaviors. It's a small fraction of men doing these things many times over. Say you have a sample population of 100 men and 100 women. One of those men, we'll call him Weshaun Datson, (allegedly) sexually assaults 27 women, chosen at random. Another, Ren Boe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:57 AM
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Good spending habits and financial literacy is a net negative for men in dating. Sure some women want that, but there are way more financially responsible men than women who want financially responsible men, and more women who want men to spend recklessly than men who are fine spending recklessly. It's like a 6' tall man lying on dating apps and saying he's 5'3".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:35 PM
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The sooner you realize this sub is not a debate sub about dating, but rather a hate sub for hating men on the autism spectrum, the sooner you understand the behavior of the mods and power users.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:24 PM
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I feel like if you want to criticize "just say no" you should use examples where they speak English. I will 100% agree that dating trends will vary across different continents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:26 AM
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Going out to any large-scale event just really drives home how there are no ugly women, only fat women. Like, I don't get the men saying they thought looks didn't matter to women, but I didn't realize growing up just how looks-focused women are. If women only cared about looks as much as men care about looks, 90% of single women out there would be jumping at the opportunity to pay for the whole date to take me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:42 AM
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Watch Modern Family and pay attention to how Phil is treated by the other characters, especially his wife Claire. This idea that him being incompetent is the punch line of a repeating joke, except for rare cases where the other adult characters realize he is just as capable as they are, and then promptly forget at the start of the next episode. As far as his actions go, Phil is a great role model, the world would be a better place if more men acted like Phil. But for young men watching, the mora…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:55 AM
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This doesn't contradict my point at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:31 AM
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Red pill guys like Tate don't gain a following for what they are, they gain a following for what they aren't. Young men watch their mothers openly disrespect and mock their fathers, then go online looking for any influencer who acts the opposite of their dad. Tate acts the opposite of their dad, so they follow him. The worst sort of male role model a young man can have is a guy who does everything right and sees no benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:41 AM
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It is amazing how many people on this sub get mad that some fit men don't want to date fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:45 PM
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That's essentially what black pill is: Men trying to conversion therapy themselves into being asexual. With results roughly as bad as any other style of conversion therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:35 AM
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Yes, if you refuse to even try and understand what lagging indicators are, there can be no debate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:12 AM
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When you stop looking at this sub as a debate sub about dating and instead view it as a hate sub about hating men on the autism spectrum, the behavior of the mods and power users will start to make more sense. If you notice, the arguments aren't just about what is more effective in dating, advice about dating is basically against the rules here. It's about telling men who struggle that they are morally bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:06 AM
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Most people in relationships do have sex but not everyone stays in a relationship all the time. And what does it mean about the ability for people to enter into relationships if way more people in a given age range are leaving than entering? Or as the good Dr already explained Causation is backwards. It's like arguing people will grow taller if you buy them bigger shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:54 AM
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Most people having sex are doing so in long term relationships. Most long term relationships are, amazingly, long term. People in long term relationships often entered those relationships years ago. So asking how many people are in relationships now doesn't say how easy it is to start a relationship today, it shows how easy it used to be to start a relationship years ago when the people surveyed started those relationships. Again, every comment of yours is just a louder and louder declaration th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:17 PM
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The problem is the things you think are "current indicators" mostly measure how many people got into relationships 5 years before the data was collected 3 years ago. That and you equate a metric doubling in 4 years as not being a drastic change.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:20 PM
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Just another comment proving you don't understand how lagging indicators work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:28 PM
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I feel like I kind of have the opposite: my social circle is relatively fit, but very male dominated, so there aren't enough single women for the single men. I don't know if this is just a regional thing, but I've dated women from dating apps who would have been the least athletic person among my friend group, and the gap between them and the 2nd least athletic person would be greater than the gap between that person and the most athletic person. I can't imagine what that culture shock would hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:11 AM
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I don't think black pill is really trying to convince anyone but themselves. It's essentially conversion therapy where men try to turn themselves asexual because they've observed that dating and relationships have only had negative impacts on the rest of their lives. It's like talking about alcohol with members of an AA group: it's not going to give you an accurate picture of alcohol in general, but should give you some real insights into how alcohol affects those people specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:10 AM
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We've already had this discussion, you obviously do not understand lagging indicators and resorted to personal attacks, I'm not going to start that back up until you can show me you're willing to engage constructively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:00 AM
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Yes, a sudden change in behavior won't show up in a lagging indicator until many years into the future. Unless you have data from 2035 about the average number of partners between men and women, obviously impossible, you aren't going to see this change appear in that metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:51 PM
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I've sent you this link before, you should really try to understand what a "lagging indicator" is: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laggingindicator.asp Notice in the sexlessness graph the gap between men and women is very small up through 2018 data and most people are old enough to have dated before 2018. And I’m willing to guess you didn’t even click on the YouTube link did you? I saw enough to know that I'm not disbelieving the CDC based on the word of some youtube influencer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:15 PM
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Don't confuse the article with the survey. The survey, the data the article is based on, came from the CDC. And where are you getting 6%? Male sexlessness in the last year rises from about 15% in 2018 to about 25% in 2022. Why do you trust grifters on youtube over the CDC?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:36 PM
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That just means women have lower standards for women than men have for women, not lower than women have for men. You do understand the difference between those two things, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:27 PM
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Why is it we have scientific surveys showing the rate of sexlessness in the last year for men is increasing but for women it's basically unchanged, yet the evidence for women not only going after a few men is just grifters on youtube?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:00 PM
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Younger teens aren't redpilled by girls their own age, but rather by how the women in their lives treat the male role models they have. The only reason grifters online have an audience is because young men are looking for any example they can find of a man who acts the opposite of their dads, because they don't want to end up with a woman who treats them the way their mom treats their dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:12 PM
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Men when other men do something bad: "He's a bad person, I'm going to not have him in my life." Men when women do something bad: "She's a bad person, I'm not going to have her in my life." Women: "This is misogyny, you're being too easy on men and too hard on women!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:38 PM
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Sexlessness in the past year rose from 10% of young men to 25% of young men in 6 years. That's not 6%. A single data point from a survey that changed its methods for the only data point that supports your side doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:03 PM
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But it's not "what's happening in the real world" because if it were there wouldn't be such a massive increase in sexlessness which is a lagging indicator of whether relationships are forming. All the data and everyone actually dating is saying one thing, and you're out here saying another. And the only way you can justify it is by making something up about how I must be acting and calling me scared for something I'm not even doing. If your side is so in the right, how come you can only argue wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:57 AM
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Did you not see how far the chart went back. You literally took the lowest level and are using that as as baseline. What are you talking about? I can't look at how dating changed between 2008 and 2010 and use that as evidence for how it is now, of course I have to use the recent data. Just what’s already been identified I think you have your causation backwards, it's like arguing buying kids bigger shoes will make them grow taller. So again- why are you all so afraid of trying? Who is afraid of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:10 AM
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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laggingindicator.asp Dating in 2026 doesn't look so bad if you exclusively look at metrics that measure how dating worked in 2016 and earlier... The overall rate of sexlessness mostly measures how many people entered long term relationships years ago. The rate of change in that sexlessness rate tells you more about how dating is working right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:44 PM
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Nobody is complaining about women liking the body on the left because there are 2-3X as many men with the body on the left as there are women who prefer that body type. The complaint is more that women (and apparently you) don't realize the guy on the right only looks like that fasted, dehydrated, with a pump, and flexing. They're like men who think their girlfriends should look like made up hollywood actresses without wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:35 PM
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From your link: We shouldn’t declare the sex recession over based on just a single year of data—especially a single year that relied on new survey methods—and a fairly small sub-sample of 229 respondents. If the only data to support your claim is a single survey that changed methods for the one year that supports your claim, your claim is probably not true. Also- just for clarity: on average married couples gave sex around once a week. Yes, so well within the "at least once in the last 3 months"…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:18 PM
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I guess hypothetically they could, but in reality they post male body types that are only achievable for the man they're posting after steroid/peptide use and a period of dehydration to prepare for that particular shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:42 PM
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How does that mean only single people were polled?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:33 PM
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And you’re adding married men into an equation that was literally polling single men. It is not polling single men, it's polling all men aged 22-34. How is it you have 5 different 15+ minute videos to send me in another comment about red pill influencers but you cannot read an article that only takes like 3 minutes to read from top to bottom?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:51 AM
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This is the same statistic as saying 59% of men are single: it's measuring age gaps in relationships. The highest rate of female breadwinners is in relationships with women aged 55-65. It's just women whose older husbands have already retired.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:39 PM
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The point is you cannot assume every guy has a 75% chance. The guys who are married have a close to 100% chance of having a partner the next year, because most of them will stay married. Same thing for the men who aren't married but are in other committed long term relationships. Your math only works if 25% of married men will have no sexual partners in the next year. If calling that a bad assumption is "moving the goalposts", that just means wherever you set up those goal posts initially made z…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:36 PM
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Lol, you think accurate math is moving goalposts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:45 AM
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If you're married, is there a 25% chance every year that your wife leaves you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:06 AM
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Are you honestly this bad at math, or just trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:44 AM
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The problem for women is that post-me-too, most men aren't explicitly asking women out as their first approach. They will start up a conversation, flirt a little, send indications of interest, but if the woman doesn't respond, they move on. So you end up with a bunch of women who get approached multiple times per week, but because they're too socially inept to recognize any of them they just complain that men don't approach anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:42 AM
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The 10% being virgin is an issue, but not nearly as much as 25% not having sex in the last year. "Getting better" doesn't mean having sex once and then never again, for almost all men it would mean getting into a healthy, long-term relationship. That rising gap between no sex in the last year and no sex ever means more and more men are effectively leaving the dating market, that they are getting worse. But of course you cannot understand that, numbers and data didn't get you to the beliefs you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:25 AM
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They don't lie, but you either lie or cannot understand them. You say men get better, the numbers say it's getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:54 AM
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I read it, so I know what they're saying. You list them, then give the opposite conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:42 PM
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The real red pill about women's standards is just how rare men like this are. A bunch of men in relationships, a bunch of men who can't seem to get a first date, and a small number of men who have casual relationships by choice. Hardly any men get rejected for their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:41 PM
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Sexlessness in the past year is virtually flat for women. And the data is just looking at within the last year, none of the 2022 data includes time during lockdowns. I would be open to seeing any more recent data, but I haven't been able to find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:04 PM
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But we have numbers to quantify it. Somehow it's gotten 2.5X harder for men, but is roughly the same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:00 PM
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You randomly saying numbers doesn't make them mean the opposite of what they're actually showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:59 PM
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I was going to respond to your claims in order but your last point is the thing giving you the most problems understanding the data: The number of men with a high amount of sexual partners has not risen at all. It has stayed the same. Yes, I'm not saying the number of men with a high amount of partners has gone up, I'm saying the number of partners among those men has gone up. Simplify the data for men down a representative 10 men: In 2018, 1 would've had 0 partners, 7 had 1 partner, 1 had 2 par…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:55 PM
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So what part of my statement is inaccurate? When you said "getting" instead of "had gotten". Yes, 10% of men in 2022 were virgins but 25% hadn't had sex in the last year. That gap, men who had been somewhat successful in dating at least once before, but now are not, is growing. You said above: It’s hard, you get better. Or you don’t. Most do. The data says the opposite. An increasing share of men were successful in the past, but now are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:17 PM
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How is that possible if every women has insane standards and only dates a top 1% bodybuilder Chad model 6’6’6 guy? Who said it was every woman? If 10% of workers get laid off in the next year due to AI, most people will still have jobs, but the economy as a whole will be in a massive recession. According to your data, female sexlessness and virginity is rising as well, so I am not sure how you concluded that this rise is driven by female standards? Sexlessness among women in the past 3 months is…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:12 PM
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Are you the majority of young women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:01 PM
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Social media has been horrible for women's mental health. You see it with increased anti-depressant prescriptions. You see it with increased therapy usage. You see it with increased credit card debt and inability to pay off student loans. You see it with increases in obesity not being uniform between men and women but rather increasing in women at higher rates. It would be silly to think these mental health effects would hit so many areas of young women's lives, yet have zero effect on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:44 PM
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We literally have the data: https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex Based on sexlessness in the past year, it is 2.5X the struggle in 2022 that it was in 2016.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:40 PM
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Most men dated women before 2026. https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex In 2016, roughly 5% of men 22-34 were virgins, and roughly 10% hadn't had sex in the last year. For the same age range of men in 2022, virginity is up to 10% and no sex in the last year up to 25%. Keep in mind, that's a 6 year difference in a data set that spans a 13 year age range. Over half the people from 2016 are still in the 2022 data. So a better question is: why did women in 2016 …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:35 PM
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This is the sad little secret of this sub: anyone who has actually put themselves out there and asked someone out in person within the last couple years thinks dating is broken. The only people who disagree are those who haven't had to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:37 PM
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If one buyer doesn't like any products, there's a problem with the buyer. If one product isn't being bought by any buyers, there's a problem with the product. If a bunch of products aren't being bought and a bunch of buyers aren't buying anything, there's a problem with the market. Importantly for this sub, the last one can be true even if you bought a product 10+ years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:14 AM
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Often it's women who lack basic social skills when it comes to flirting. Almost none of men's approaches involve explicitly asking a woman out in the first conversation. You flirt, you see if she responds, if not you move on, if yes you escalate to asking for a date. So many women have guys flirt with them, they don't flirt back with the men, and therefore no men ask her out on dates. That's fine if the women aren't interested in any men, but if you're a woman who thinks men don't approach you p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:48 AM
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Different people are interested in different things. If someone is interested in things you find boring, and just wants to talk about those things, they obviously lack social skills. Anyone with good social skills would know to curate an interest in topics that you, the main character of the universe, find interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:29 PM
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Yes, as a decreasing percentage of women value long term relationships, the women who do will become more valuable. The women who just want occasional casual sex will be seen as less valuable because they're fine having sex less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:17 PM
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Most women have sex in relationship. Most, but there has been a significant shift in the last few years. From 2018 to 2022, the number of men not having sex in the last 3 months and not having sex in the last year went up by about 10% of the overall population of 22-34 year olds. For women, the total rates were lower (likely due to age gap relationships), but women saw a similar roughly 10% jump of no sex in the last 3 months. The difference is the rate of no sex in the last year only rose margi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:42 AM
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Can the guy not respect that she has sex when shes comfortable though? Regardless of when or who’s that’s with? She’s with him now, what does it matter if she did it sooner beforehand This is great advice if women were incapable of lying, but that simply isn't the world we live in. It's a red flag to be cautious of. It's like if you were dating a guy and found out he was arrested and went to jail for domestic violence, but eventually the DA decided not to pursue charges. Maybe he just had a craz…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:30 PM
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It isn't fair. I don't understand why liberal women are so adamant about both-sides-ing culture war issues by being just as discriminatory against men as Trump and MAGA are against women. I would much rather support the non-discriminatory side, but if none exists, I'd be stupid to support the one that hates me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:23 PM
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If she reciprocates my flirting / signs of interest. That's the hardest part of courtship for women: you can't be socially retarded. If a guy is showing interest in you and you want to date him, you need to show interest back. If you just shut down and don't engage with him, he'll move on, unless he's also socially retarded and pushy / doesn't respect boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:10 AM
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The problem is you need to live somewhere, do you think you aren't paying property taxes if you rent? There are a lot of things I don't like paying for, but none of them are made better by still paying for them but also giving a middle-man a cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:00 AM
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Really? What does "other dudes getting pussy" have to do with hiring and promotion quotas for women? What does it have to do with boys receiving higher grades when names are removed from tests and homework in schools?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:55 PM
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It's a sad commentary on our society that a strong sense of fairness is a good predictor of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:44 AM
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"Are" or "were"? Sexlessness in the last year among men 22-34 basically doubled from 2018 to 2022, with about 1 in 4 young men in this category. That's a huge jump for a poll where 75% of the population from the 2018 are also in the 2022 data. Matches what I see anecdotally: lots of couples who started dating pre-2020, very few couples who have met since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:49 AM
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It mostly comes down to what you want as a woman. If you're ok with a man who only loves you like a worker loves their employer (not a lot), go ahead and act like the HR department.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:04 AM
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First order vs second order effects: this sort of thinking is why we're about to enter a global oil crisis. The US has the military might to destroy almost all of Iran's conventional military, but that doesn't mean Iran is going to be willing to surrender or make a deal with the US after. Similarly, a company with a lot of power in a labor market can exert that power and push difficulties onto the applicant, but it changes how that applicant sees the company going forward. So with dating, women …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:20 AM
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My favorite bit of trolling on this sub is when women post the absolutely deranged behavior men can have and still get initial dates or interest, so long as they pass the looks threshold. To say that and think it somehow means looks don't matter is just the cherry on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:41 PM
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I'd argue there's probably negative correlation, at least once you get to n-counts above like 3-5. The people who have the most sex are going to be those in long term relationships. Having sex twice a week is relatively low for younger couples, finding a new partner twice a week would take up virtually all of your free time. If you're having casual sex, you basically need to devote your life to matching the amount of sex couples have on autopilot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:55 AM
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Calling women romantic is like saying someone's a good actor because they watch a lot of movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:53 AM
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As a guy, if my partner is violent with me there's a better chance I go to prison than I get any sort of help if I try to involve law enforcement. Like, we could make the statistics on rape go way if we took every woman who made an accusation and threw her in prison if the guy wasn't found guilty. We don't do that, but we still recognize reporting is tough for women. Imagine how fucked up it would be if we treated women the way we treat men...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:48 AM
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If you want a man looking for a partner, act like a partner. If you want a man looking for a prostitute, act like a prostitute. I don't understand why women think having the demands of a prostitute will select for men looking for a partner. I refuse to believe women in general are this stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:13 AM
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Lol, I'm glad it's not just my comments you can't read.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:00 PM
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This part of the study is just finding that men are the ones expected to message first. Men messaged all women they found attractive, women messaged men who messaged them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:44 AM
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Damn, did I miss a rule where only red pill was allowed on this sub? Of course not, there are many different theories around dating. I made a comment that wasn't red pill, that you obviously cannot refute, and you keep telling me how people laugh at red pill people as though I should care or feel bad. I don't, because that's not me. I'm afraid of losing hours of my life to learn that an ideology I don't believe in is bad, and therefore I need to make no changes other than find some way to get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:33 AM
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Again, go back and look at what I actually wrote. None of it is red pill. It feels like I found someone on the internet who wants to talk about hours worth of video of their pet conspiracy theory at me when I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:00 AM
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I accept your surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:31 AM
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Dude, you posted more time's worth of pill videos than I've watched in the last 4 years in a single comment, and claim I'm the one in the echo chamber? You need to pay more attention to people you meet out in the world than those you see online.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:16 AM
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Why should I watch those videos when you clearly didn't, you just googled titles that fit your narrative. And what exactly of what I said are you arguing against? You seem very anti-red-pill, but nothing I said was exactly pro-red-pill. My point was that a similar style of grift is being aimed at young women and is effectively distorting their perception of young men. Nothing you've said is any sort of counter to that. Like, who is "laughing at me" for saying most men don't walk around all year …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:49 AM
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It is funny how the go-to evidence to say there aren't problems with dating in 2026 is that dating was fine in 2015. A good third of this sub is equivalent to me telling Gen Z there's no housing crisis because my mortgage from 2018 that I refinanced in 2020 has a low monthly payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:32 AM
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If the user posting is an alt of one (or more) of the mods, the post doesn't need to be approved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:29 AM
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This sub is totally fine with blackpill views so long as they are presented as shitting on men. The idea that someone will never have dating success because of a genetic trait they have no control over is not allowed when it's a man complaining about being short or bald or having a certain facial structure. The idea that someone will never have dating success because of a genetic trait they have no control over is encouraged when it's women telling men on the spectrum that not everyone is meant …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:27 AM
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This is all Lies told to you by podcasters begging for money Again, why should I believe you, someone on social media who I've never met in real life, over the women I do know in real life just because I also see how they act on social media? And what’s sad is dudes can’t even use real life experiences. I gave you real life experiences: I know women think a year-round visible 6-pack is normal because they tell me. I know women don't realize every NFL athlete and super hero actor is juicing becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:22 AM
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Anyone who is around people in real life knows how women love to tell on themselves. I know women think a year-round visible 6-pack is normal because they tell me. I know that women like thirst-traps and misandrist content on social media because their likes show up in my feed (I also know my guy friends are smart enough to not like obvious thirst traps or sexist content). I know women don't realize every NFL athlete and super hero actor is juicing because they tell me. Why should I believe some…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:41 PM
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Most voters don't care about things until they show up in their lives. They don't care about war in Iran until the price of gas goes up or the people they know in the military start being injured or killed. They don't care about tariffs and trade wars until the price of groceries goes up. They don't care about the Epstein stuff because it never shows up in their everyday lives. And they don't care about nepo hires in government positions, but they absolutely do care when the company they work fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 04:28 AM
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Any dude in shape already has an advantage over the 87 percent of men that aren’t. You would think, but social media and dating apps mean men aren't competing against the reality of other men around them, they're competing against a false perception of reality in women's heads. As a guy, it doesn't matter if I'm in better shape than 90% of other guys if I'm in worse shape than 90% of the guys on her phone, in her mind that makes me bottom 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:33 AM
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The acute pain of rejection and the chronic pain of not being chosen are two very different things. Being rejected hurts like a little paper cut: you feel it right away but you can move past it pretty quickly. Chronically not being chosen hurts like starvation. For a little while it's not so bad, if you're coming out of a relationship it can even feel nice to be by yourself for a bit. But if you've gone months or years without someone being interested, it's like going days without food. It becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:28 AM
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Women spend so much time getting ready and money and entire industries are built by Men's preferences Most of this work isn't for men's preferences, it's to get respect and jealousy from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:22 AM
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Weird observation from both my own dating experiences and the couples I know: The men who have the temperament and character to be the best fathers aren't being chosen by women who want to have kids, but rather by women who want to essentially be kids in their adult relationships. They want partners who are financially and emotionally supportive without expecting any similar level of support back. On the other hand, the women who seem most nervous about the men being non-committal are most likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:18 AM
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This sort of sexism is prevalent in like 80% of women, unless you're in the very top percentage of men with a lot of options in dating you basically can either choose to date women like this or not date anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:35 AM
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There's something uniquely satisfying about how PPD women will completely ignore your argument and downvote you to let you know they have no way of arguing against what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:20 AM
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Just part of being a man in 2026. I know better than to speak up at work when they announce explicit gender quotas for promotions. I know better than to speak up at the rec league sports I play to ask for equal playing for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:02 AM
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Too young to be any of the blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:12 AM
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Read the wording carefully. Men are able to get some custody, but usually not primary custody, if they pursue it. The problem comes with families struggling to afford a single primary residence before the divorce now needing to afford two residences with enough space for the kids, and child support arrangements where that housing cost would mean the father, with custody less than half the time, cannot afford to consistently have food on the table. Mom gets the house and the kids at least half th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 11:31 PM
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Yeah, it's not an accident you see a lot of stories like this. Men seem much more willing to split custody when they have enough income to support 2 houses with enough room for kids, or if they have essentially free housing with extended family. Women want to blame men not pursuing custody on them being men, but if it only really happens to men in certain economic conditions, it's probably more an issue of economic conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:32 PM
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They are choosing to not parent. Read the rest of the post. High housing costs means unless men can get primary custody, they are forced to choose between having housing with enough room for the kids and having enough food to eat. It's simple math: a married couple lives together and spends half of their after-tax income on housing. They get divorced, how much after-tax income do they have if both parents need to spend 50% on housing? That's right, 0%! The system forces men to not fight for cust…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:28 PM
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Now, did you not read the rest of the post because it was too difficult or because you just don't care? Men can fight for some custody, but sexism prevents them from getting primary custody. And if they don't get primary custody, paying for enough housing to have space for the kids means they don't have enough money left over to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:21 PM
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Such a tired myth that women take everything in a divorce. It never works like that. Women don't necessarily gain everything, but if there's kids men do often lose everything. It's a simple math problem: most households don't have a bunch of extra money at the end of every month, and divorce doubles their largest expense in their primary residence. A household that spends 95% of what they bring in every month and 35% of that goes to housing cannot afford 2 houses. So with women still getting the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:44 AM
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You can absolutely improve social skills if your goal is to make friends, if your goal is dating you're kind of fucked. Women tend to value extroversion more than actual "skill" in reading social situations, and you cannot become extroverted any more than you can change your height or the shape of your face. I know plenty of extroverts who do well in dating despite needing to have people pull them aside and explicitly ask them to change behavior that is making others uncomfortable. I also know p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:32 AM
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International politics is weird, the number 1 goal for the US in this war with Iran is to prevent China from invading Taiwan because Taiwan is a single point of failure for the supply chain of computer chips we need to keep the modern internet functioning. In that respect, it's been an amazing success.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:08 AM
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There are a lot of misogynistic takes on this sub, but none of them get the women here as upset as the idea that women are not children and can be held to the same standards as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:10 PM
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You asked why, my second sentence explains why. Men aren't going to conform to an expectation of their behavior that is much stricter than expectations of women's behavior. Why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:05 PM
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Read the second sentence of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:53 PM
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You can make a tight budget work, and if you're smart, you can make a hard life work. This feels like cheating the question, saying that you're ok with financial instability as long as it's really just a low income and you're still willing to make choices to be financially stable. Like, I would also give up attraction if it meant they weren't super attractive but were still attractive to me. I would also give up emotional connection if it meant there weren't immediate sparks but I could still gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 03:01 AM
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If you can get 100% of women to put in their profiles whether or not they want men to pay for dates, then sure, men should be equally as explicit. But this idea that it is ok for women to communicate covertly or by using social stigmas but men need to be clear and explicit in all their communication is unrealistic and rather sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:38 AM
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This is just a math problem: the important numbers for women are based on the percentage of interactions with men, not the overall population of men. Let's say you have 5 men who fit into this very attractive category. Four of them aren't really interested in casual, they only have sex in committed relationships and end up marrying the first or second woman they date in college. So, 2 of them have sex with only 1 woman in their lives, the other 2 have sex with 2 women each. The final guy of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:54 PM
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Remember everyone: Talking about fit people dating obese people is not allowed in the daily thread, because body fat is a "looks" thing. But talking about partners being "ugly" or whether someone "mogs" their partner is not looks related at all, and totally fine. Or the mods just have favorite users for whom the rules don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:39 AM
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It's a supply and demand issue but also a game theory issue. The imbalance of demand in the dating market means women can treat most men like one of many options. But the other side of the coin is those men are going to treat women like someone who treats them like one of many options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:22 AM
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https://youtu.be/XOS3qL3Wadw?si=rG_Id-Z8x6xelLCV&t=101
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:43 AM
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There are two big things going on here: First, the cutoff for what society generally considers an attractive woman is like 40% of women, while for men it's like 5% of men. If those are your stats, you're going to get a bunch of unattractive men dating and marrying attractive women, that's just math. Second, I'd say most women today aren't willing to date within their social circle in a way that would allow men to fall in love with her character. If men don't have enough options where they get to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:28 PM
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You're really exposing your own biases here. I said going bald young can be indicative of underlying hormonal issues. That if you went bald at 18 and think as a women you'd magically be problem free, you're probably mistaken because you'd probably have a female variant of hormonal issues. Where did the user you responded to say anything about going bald at 18? I think you're massively overestimating the amount of men who go bald for any reason other than genetics. Be honest, do you think it's ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:54 AM
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I understand what you're saying, I just disagree and you're acting like I couldn't possibly understand and disagree. You said balding and PCOS were comparable. Balding is a natural genetic thing that happens to men as they age. PCOS is a side effect of hormonal issues in women that can have both genetic and behavioral causes. ED in men is a side effect of hormonal issues that can have both genetic and behavioral causes, so I believe ED is the much better equivalent to PCOS. The trouble is, there…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:27 AM
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Remember everyone: ignoring the text of someone's comment and calling them selfish or low IQ is a personal attack and against the rules of this sub. Unless you do so with a meme, then it's fine. The sidebar really should just get a list of the special users for whom the rules don't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:36 PM
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Having curly hair has a genetic component, that doesn't mean everyone with curly hair has hormone issues. My point was that you're equating something that for most people is purely genetic with no negative health effects (balding) with something that is partially genetic with a bunch of negative health effects (PCOS) despite there being a much better match that also has partial genetic causes and is linked to a bunch of other health effects (ED).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:31 PM
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I would love to see a source, everything I'm seeing says even balding in the late teens and early 20s has a mostly genetic component. But overall my point was OP lists signs of hormonal issues as a man. As a woman, he would have female hormonal issues not none. But that's my point: balding by itself does not mean a man is having hormonal issues. Very much the opposite, hormonal issues are a side effect of trying to treat or prevent balding. I get that both men and women have hormonal issues, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:57 PM
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Not really, balding in men is almost exclusively genetic, and basically has no other negative side effects. The negative side effects women see from PCOS are more similar to the negative side effects men experience from treatments for hair loss, not the hair loss itself. PCOS in women is a better parallel with ED in men, since it has both a genetic component but also lifestyle risk factors, and a bunch of related symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:56 AM
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How is that different than stating any other negative stereotype? If I go up to a Jewish person in the US and say, "From the river to the sea!", is that ok because I'm just seeing if it gets a reaction out of them? Is that me doing a good thing because they could use the discomfort to wonder internally about their feelings towards Israel and Palestine? Or is it just bigoted making them uncomfortable due to their Jewish faith? I'd argue the latter. And a bunch of men had that thought about "why a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 10:39 PM
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You're arguing that it's a good idea, not that it's not bigoted. Statistically, an overwhelming majority of the commercial airline deaths in the US this century came due to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It would still be bigoted to be worried on a flight just because there are Arab or Muslim passengers onboard. Either way, why would this potentially justifiable fear mean that the woman should intentionally rage bait the man to try and upset him? The man vs bear thing isn't something women say to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 10:27 PM
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This makes sense when you understand the goal of the modern manosphere. It's not about having success in dating, they've basically given up on that. It's essentially conversion therapy to try and turn themselves asexual and aromantic. They have a strong, chemical, hormonal drive to have sex and relationships, but an increasing number of men don't have any positive romantic interactions with women. The word for something you have a chemical desire for but that only makes your life worse is "addic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:20 AM
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You called it rage baiting. You don't think rage baiting is treating someone in a negative manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:09 AM
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Bigotry isn't believing everyone of some demographic group is bad, it is treating everyone of some demographic group in a negative manner due to the actions of a small subset of that group. It is not bigoted to disagree with the actions of the state of Israel. It is bigoted to act in a hateful manner towards all Jewish people based on the actions of the state of Israel. You're essentially arguing in favor of the second, but towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:15 AM
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You called it rage bait in your post. They symbolically signal they feel unsafe because they had bad experiences. This is the definition of bigotry. When bigotry is expressed against men, that's called misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:01 PM
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Why would any man want to pass a test when that test is whether he's willing to excuse misandry for a better chance at getting laid? Can you imagine the opposite, teaching your daughter to not react to misogyny because if she gets upset the misogynists might not sleep with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:18 PM
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Not great. Might have been lies to avoid hurting my feelings, but if they are to be believed women today prefer dating apps over men they know in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 02:12 AM
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It's kinda strange knowing that it's only February and I've already asked out more people this year than 90% of this sub has in the last 10 years. Then those same people claim I'm the one without relevant experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:28 AM
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This whole thing sounds a lot like the issue men bring up about paternity tests. Yeah, statistically this is a risk, but understand that accusing your partner of this horrible thing might end the relationship because it is a horrible accusation to make. So if you want men to take these safety concerns seriously without getting defensive, maybe we need women to meet them halfway and get paternity tests when they're pregnant without getting defensive. Either men and women are morally similar and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:04 AM
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Men say dating is easier for women because men face all the same challenges women face, they just aren't the biggest challenges men face. It's like the quote about finding drinking water in a desert vs in the ocean, that men face a lack of quantity in interest from women while women face a lack of quality in interest from men. The trouble is, men face that same quality issue when they do get interest from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:34 PM
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This isn't about looks and isn't incel rhetoric. If there are rules not listed on the sidebar you should update the sidebar to include those rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:06 AM
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Why would they have to change their minds? I don't know, ask the women who think men should change their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:27 PM
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You honestly think: These people I'm attracted to who don't want to date me should change their minds is a guy is dating who they want ???
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:25 PM
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Remember everyone: posting passive aggressive gifs rather than actual debate isn't trolling. I mean, it totally is, but the secret part of the sub's rules is that they only apply to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:11 PM
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That's two ways of saying the same thing with a different amount of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:09 PM
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Great example of what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:08 PM
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It all boils down to: "These people I'm attracted to who don't want to date me should change their minds and date me (or at least people like me)". When men say it, incel rhetoric. When women say it, no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:07 PM
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Imagine thinking "should" and "can't refuse" mean the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:03 PM
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The mods on here do an excellent job proving that women cannot be incels. If they could, arguing that fit men should date obese women would be considered incel rhetoric, and 95% of the women on this sub would be banned within a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:59 PM
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If you're upset that men want an equal partner, I'm going to think you're a bad person. There is a difference between having a right to do something or feel something and being justified in that action or belief. So far a lot of them claim that the only thing important is looks Honestly, I think the only reason so many claim "looks" as the most important is because it's the most subjective. I can pretty objectively tell how much income a person has, how fit they are, how social they are, how sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:27 PM
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I just don't understand the "so what" of your post. Men want a partner who is roughly their equal. They spend years trying and get nearly zero options. But because they want an equal partner, not just any partner, they shouldn't be upset that they have no options? So who women are supposed to pair with to be hypergamous? That's sort of the point: women can't be hypergamous in a society with gender equality. If the "match" for a man is a woman with less income / fitness / social circle / educatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:04 PM
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The difference is that the men here will talk about women in general, while the women will focus on insulting the individual man they are responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:59 AM
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On here, I don’t remember a single person resorting to personal insults. If every user on here who had comments removed for insulting me was permanently banned, the average daily comments on this sub would be cut in half. And they'd need a couple new mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:42 AM
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When you realize this is not a debate sub about dating but rather a hate sub focused on insulting men on the autism spectrum, the behavior of the mods and power users will start to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:39 AM
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Whether a father is a good male role model isn't just about what the father does, it's also about how he is treated by the world around him. If my father was a teacher, did an amazing job, really showed he cared about the kids he taught, but we grew up poor and he always seemed exhausted coming home from school, I'm probably not going to want a career in teaching. Similarly, if boys grow up with great fathers, but with mothers who treat those fathers like crap, they are going to seek out male ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:16 PM
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They wanna believe women mature by 35 The average 25 year old single woman is more mature than the average 35 year old single woman. Women maturing as they age doesn't happen fast enough to overcome the survivorship bias of which women stay single longer, and the ones who are more mature at 25 tend to not be single by 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:26 AM
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The biggest thing for me is whether she can engage in deeper conversation than just trading icebreaker questions back and forth. If you're talking with someone new you are going to need to start with high level icebreaker questions, but based on those answers you should be able to flow to normal conversation. What are your hobbies? I like [activity] and I'm looking forward to [event related to activity] Oh, that's cool, I can relate to [some aspect of event or activity] or I'm interested in lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:45 AM
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You're the one simultaneously claiming the comment was just a joke and also is a real thing. When did I say I thought I was being told to do something? That's what YOU said, because you jumped immediately to making things personal. You really ought to read the rules of this sub sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:13 AM
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If only the "don't make things personal" rule applied to mods the same way it does for everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:53 PM
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I would love to see any real science that supports this. For example, I've seen statistics that there are more MtF transgender people than FtM, at least among those who have officially transitioned. That doesn't mean there's a bunch of women who are secretly trans men but refuse to transition because they see men generally have it worse in society, it might just be that whatever causes someone to be transgender is more common in the MtF direction than in the FtM direction. Also, very strange to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:09 PM
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Imagine thinking being gay is a choice in 2026...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:57 PM
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That line only works if the data backs you up. In reality, the data say women in their 20s and 30s today choose male breadwinners at the same rate as women in their 50s and 60s. All this despite the wage gap between men and women closing since those women in their 50s and 60s were dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:59 PM
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Correlation isn't causation. I literally stated why correlation is expected. Exactly, you argued causation but referenced an article where the data and the conclusions from the authors only referenced correlation. Generations in which marriage was more a mandate of survival than an actual relationship. Naw, none of this vague bullshit, answer the question. Name a generation. Here we see the perceived evidentiary value of what women say when asked directly. If they don't say the right thing, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:06 AM
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I said that the ppl we're choosing are increasingly in our own brackets No, you didn't. I quoted you: We're increasingly looking for ppl in our own economic bracket. Looking for is a preference, choosing is a result. You can very easily end up choosing someone who doesn't fit a preference if there aren't enough people who fit that preference to go around. Even going by choosing, when you say "increasingly", what are you comparing to? Because the data says that women in their 20s and 30s today ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:06 AM
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Again, it's a good example because people will point to the research to misrepresent and expand the scope of the conclusions, or often researchers themselves will argue for conclusions that aren't supported by their work. In this example, someone might show global temperatures increasing and conclude we will get warmer weather. In reality, warmer global temps can also mean more severe weather, such that individually cold days in normally warmer climates can become more common. Disagreeing with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 10:50 PM
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Actually a great example, because it is cold where I live today, and no matter how much great evidence for climate change there is, I'm still taking a jacket when I go outside today. You saying something true doesn't make what I'm saying false.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:55 PM
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"There's the patch of blue sky" Meanwhile I'm still getting rained on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:37 PM
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Why would I change my hypothesis when the data collected by these researchers supports it? I'm telling you it's raining outside, you post research with the conclusion that there is blue sky visible. Then we walk outside, you point out the blue sky off in the distance, and we both get rained on, because directly over us it's raining. I'm not going to change my mind and say that it's not raining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:41 PM
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Disability is taxed income. This would be very relevant if the data in your initial link came from tax records. It doesn't, it comes from survey results. And higher numbers of egalitarian marriages. Side effect of a lessening wage gap. The income gap between husbands and wives, by your own source, remains higher than the income gap between men and women. Women, in general, do not want to date and marry a man who is their equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:59 PM
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If they're making enough to be breadwinners - $30+ per hr Why is this a requirement? You could be making minimum wage working 20 hours a week, if your partner isn't working and is on disability, you're the breadwinner! The fact that they chose men with more egalitarian views than prior generations is a change. If that's the cause of female breadwinners then the last couple generations are women consistently choosing men with less and less egalitarian views, because each new generation has fewer …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:46 AM
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Jfc. According to the BLS there were just under 50 million workers between the 20-24 and 25-34 age brackets in the labor market in 2024. Software publishing was 84k. Data processing, hosting, and related services another 90k. Those high earning fields are less than 1% of the population. That can skew an average, but won't move a cutoff of top 20% by very much. “Women with newly minted bachelor's degrees earn an average of $52,266, compared to $64,022 earned by men” This would matter a lot more i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:19 PM
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Older women who've been in traditional SAH roles have significant difficulty in being hired. Therefore, I would expect fewer female breadwinners in older age brackets. according to the BLS, the avg income for working women over 65 is almost $1200/week. For full-time hrs, that's $30 an hr Therefore, I would expect fewer female breadwinners in older age brackets. Among wives aged 25-34, 11% are primary or sole breadwinners. 35-44, 15%. 45-54, 18%, and 55-64, 22%. In actuality, female breadwinners …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:07 PM
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Stem bros aren't 20% of the male population. Especially given how many more women are earning advanced degrees than men, I don't see why that top 20% cutoff for women should be lower than men for people in their 20s and 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:51 PM
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You're making a very good argument for why the rate of female breadwinners should be lowest in the oldest age groups. Yet the actual data says the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:34 PM
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Why would 2019-2023 be lower than 2019?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:32 PM
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So if we were looking at just 2019, and women getting married between 25 and 30 on average, and assuming the chance a woman gets married is the same for all income groups, we'd expect that 20% cutoff to be between $55k and $67.5k, and the $62.5k cutoff would make sense. But, as you said, we're looking at 2019-2023, and top incomes have inflated, so it should be higher. And women are getting married later, so it should be higher. And higher earning women should be overrepresented among those gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:44 PM
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If higher earning women are more likely to get married, then the top 20% of women by income should be more than 20% of marriages, which would mean that cutoff for top 20% of income among marriages would be even higher. If women are getting married later on average, the cutoff should be closer to the 30 and 35 year old cutoff, not the 25 year old cutoff. Everything you've said in this comment basically means your original source is garbage because their cutoff for top 20% is way lower than it oug…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:18 PM
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Among wives aged 25-34, 11% are primary or sole breadwinners. 35-44, 15%. 45-54, 18%, and 55-64, 22%. This is my point. If this were about women's dating preferences changing over time to be less strict on income, you would expect the highest rates of female breadwinners to be in the youngest age group. Instead, it increases with age. This isn't about women's preferences, it is measuring how over time an increasing percentage of men either make enough to retire or become disabled and unable to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:10 PM
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There's a significant survivorship bias with this data, in that it's only looking at women who actually got married. If a significant number of high earning women are only interested in even higher earning men, they just won't marry anyone in large numbers, because there aren't enough of those men to go around. Further, if any appreciable number of women were fine dating and marrying men who made less, I would assume there would be a larger gap in the upper quintile in favor of women. Say you we…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:44 AM
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The fact that the number of women making more than their husbands is increasing as well Do you have a source on this? From what I can remember this statistic is similar to the one where like 30% of women in their 20s were single while 60% of men were: it mostly just measures age gaps. The number of women being sole or primary breadwinners has increased, but the largest share of those female breadwinners isn't with younger people in their 20s and 30s, it's with women in their 60s. Women being bre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:03 PM
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That awfully misogynistic to claim women in their 30s don't want men with decent jobs, in decent shape, who try to meet people in person and see if the vibes match.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:44 PM
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I did date in the 2010s, even a bit in the late 00s, and the difference was that all the advice blue pill people on here give actually worked back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:22 PM
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That's diet, not workout.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:42 AM
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The former group is great at identifying themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:38 AM
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For full context I’m under the age of 25 In my experience that matters a lot. Women are not a monolith but there is some survivorship bias, the women who are single in their late 20s even and certainly into their 30s are not the same as the women who are single in their early 20s. Eh it sometimes can just work out like that. I first met my gf about three months before I started dating her through a hiking group, went on a couple hikes with her, and then we started dating after a larger group tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:36 AM
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Yeah, you don't need to undo 60 years of change to solve a problem that's only happened in like the last 6 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:19 AM
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Maybe, we kind of don't have a large enough sample to know. Men who have casual sex with lots of women are like 2% of the population, and even then only if you define "lots" as 5 per year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:19 AM
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So much of this sub is people who haven't dated since the early 2010s arguing with people who wish dating could go back to how it was in the early 2010s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:29 AM
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I mean, most of the change in the dating market has been since covid. https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex We didn't spend 8 years under Obama with women being unable to have their own bank accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:28 AM
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That's sort of the point of asking the question though: I don't know of any couples who met like this where the woman knew other women who had rejected the guy. Maybe 1, but I can't think of an example of 2 and certainly not 3. And I haven't gotten any responses from women say they are the counter-example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:12 AM
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Not what I meant. I mean like asking your mutual friend if she's into you or not. I mean light flirting and giving room to reciprocate without feeling pressure. Taking advantage of the fact that you don't need to convince them in 60 seconds. Of course, but this is by no means a perfect science. I've been told unprompted on multiple occasions that I should ask a woman out or that she was flirting with me, only to later be rejected. Might just be the women I know are particularly socially inept, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:45 AM
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Whenever I ask the dudes who complain about women not “staying in their league” how leagues are determined, the answer I get is “your league is determined by whoever you can get to date you.” Is it "date you" or "commit to you"? Because the difference in those two definitions creates a math problem. If it's just dating, you don't need to have equal numbers of men and women in the group. You might have 3 times as many women, but that just means the men date more often. If it's committing to a lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:42 PM
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Would there necessarily be a ton of overlap? I mean, that's sort of the catch-22. I think my 20 people per week is a pretty high-end estimate for how many people you're interacting with socially beyond like work, family, and just passing by people doing errands or something. I think most people would be less than that for who they've had like a full conversation with in a week. That's 520 interactions per 6 months, but you're almost certainly seeing some people more than just twice a year. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:19 PM
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It's pretty easy to tell that it's the same mod replying and locking when the lock happens immediately after their reply. I reported it, but I guess that also went to the same mod since the report didn't result in anything. This particular mod I've reported in the past, but not had their comments removed until talking about it in the daily thread, since they were obviously the mod reviewing the reports of their own comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:58 PM
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Only mods are allowed to block mid debate to get the last word, by getting a last comment in and then locking the thread. Very ethical mod behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:56 PM
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I meant what I wrote. You seem unwilling to engage with that and just focused on arguing over the definition of a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:54 PM
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Well, that's the beauty of clarifying statements: you can have your very narrow definition of "friend" and still understand what I mean, and engage with the idea. Or not, if you aren't here in good faith or lack the ability to understand what you read.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:51 PM
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I mean, "a lot" is relative. Once every year or two might not be a lot, two or three times in a row might be, but those aren't mutually exclusive. And as I've said in other comments, this isn't necessarily bad advice, but it's different from the advice people normally give on here, which is that men aren't approaching enough or are too focused on apps and cold approaches instead of warm approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:47 PM
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Dialog only works if you respond to the logic and ideas I put forth. You can only do that if you can read and understand what I wrote. Based on your comments, you and I cannot have a dialog.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:42 PM
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Yeah, this is why I don't understand why women aren't more upset about modern dating. I wouldn't want to be with someone who just viewed me as one of hundreds of options, so I don't want a system where women need to face hundreds of rejections for every success. Why would women be ok with that rejection rate for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:34 PM
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Well, if only I had clarified I meant more that larger "friends and acquaintances" group. And I don't mean like your 5 closest friends, I mean like all the women you're friends with on social media. Oh wait, I did. So have you been in a long term relationship with a man who was rejected by 3 or more of your acquaintances?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:31 PM
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What do you mean by "made a confrontation"? Like, as a guy, you don't have to go 0 to 100 and ask someone on a date out of nowhere, but at some point you will officially ask them. There is a lot of back and forth before that, and you can be polite about how you ask, but I wouldn't want to situationship my way into dating a friend without ever actually asking them on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:27 PM
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Again, that's fine advice, but it isn't the advice that is normally given on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:21 PM
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If you think those statements are equivalent, I cannot help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:18 PM
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And I don't mean like your 5 closest friends, I mean like all the women you're friends with on social media. If only I had clarified this in my original comment... It's amazing how many people on here cannot read.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:15 PM
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I think that's fine advice, it just doesn't seem to be the advice given here about how men aren't approaching outside of the apps and that's why they're struggling. If the answer is "wait until you get a clear signal", you can't fault guys for just waiting because they aren't getting those signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:12 PM
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That's fine, but that's very different advice than what others say on here about men needing to shoot their shot or how bad it is that men don't approach anymore and that's why they're unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:10 PM
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Imagine thinking "going for numbers" means 3 out of a social circle of a couple hundred people... This is kind of my point: it's good to have a social circle to interact with just to have friends, not even in a dating context. But that circle is only going to be so big and going to have a lot of overlap if you're spending considerable time with those people. If I interact with 20 people per week, over half a year that's 520ish interactions, but it won't be 520 people unless I only see those peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:08 PM
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Do you only have 6 friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:47 PM
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Q4W who are married or otherwise in committed long term relationships: How many of you are with a man who was rejected by 3 or more of your friends? And I don't mean like your 5 closest friends, I mean like all the women you're friends with on social media. There's a lot of talk on here about how men should try to meet people in person rather than on apps, and how rejection isn't that bad and has no long term negative effects so long as you're polite when asking, but I legit know of zero couples…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:32 PM
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If drinking coffee while pregnant reduced the chance of your child getting into college by 33%, we'd treat women drinking coffee while pregnant the same way we treat pregnant women drinking alcohol. Being born male reduces your chance of getting into college by 33%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:09 PM
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It is so odd to me that some of y’all think that having sex with another person is a biological need for survival. Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:24 PM
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Right, it's on the same tier as bodily autonomy. Your brain is programmed from millions of years of evolution to think it's a need, but strictly speaking it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:00 PM
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Lol, trolls get so mad when you point out how they're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:43 PM
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If that were truly the case you would have asked a real question to get clarification. I mean, it would be against the rules of this sub for me to claim that you don't understand the things you're claiming to not understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:38 PM
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I'm sorry you got so angry that I plainly spelled out what you were doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:32 PM
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I do not believe you lack the social skills to understand that your "Congratulations?" and "Good for you?" are catty and dismissive. If you want to make comments like that, fine, but own that shit. Don't pretend like you don't know what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:28 PM
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There's a subset of users on here to insult and demean rather than debate, so if you try to debate them they just say something rude and condescending.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:28 PM
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Men tell women to choose better, women get mad. Men tell men to choose better, women get really mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:14 PM
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Remember guys: women want you to care about their personality, not just how they look, but also if you like how they look you must ask them out before getting to know them because otherwise you're just faking being friends with them. Refer to rules 1 and 2...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:48 AM
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How can you have 250 close friends? I don't, it's a turn of phrase. What I mean is the people in my larger social circle: some close friends, but also people I know from hobby or shared interest groups, friends of friends, people from meet ups or volunteering or when you go out to bars and their group and yours meet and spend time together because you both happened to pick the same bar that night. Basically all the people over the course of a couple months or years that I'll introduce myself to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:11 AM
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My hypothetical partner would say we are the counter-example to my claim that nobody in my 250-ish closest friends have started dating after meeting in person post-covid, without the woman being young enough to still be in school. Unfortunately, she is only hypothetical, so the streak remains: I know zero couples who met in person post-covid, without the woman being young enough to still be in college. Good thing I have 40 year olds on PPD to tell me that there's no issues with modern dating, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:17 AM
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I think it's true now, but not so much then. I think the biggest reason now that men want kids, and especially want sons, is that we've made misandry more of a standard in society, so men expect that their only positive, loving relationships in adulthood will be with their sons. This is sort of why I cringe a bit when people bring up Phil Dunphy as an example of how we need more positive male role models. I think that style character is very much in the zeitgeist, but the lesson for young men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:40 AM
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The desire for kids by both men and women was higher when children were essentially your retirement plan, and still is higher today in communities where it is more common to expect children to take care of their parents. The desire for children being lower in some communities is an example of the tragedy of the commons: social security, pensions, and 401k's give everyone a share of the future income of all the children in society, so people with solid retirement accounts would rather let other p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:20 PM
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This sub isn't really a debate sub, it's a hate sub for people who want to insult and demean men on the autism spectrum. The n-count thread is great for that, since they can tell these men they are morally bad for not having sex or caring about a potential partner's count. The looks thread was started with the thought that it could work similarly, shaming men for having looks preferences, but the discussion has been how undeniable it is that women have stricter looks preferences. That thread no …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:03 PM
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These are all great examples of how different men get filtered out at different stages of dating. I know plenty of men who would never do weird things like this, but their problem is getting first dates at all, not getting ghosted after first dates. Just know for every first date like this a woman goes on, there are 10 guys she rejected / didn't match his flirting who is perfectly normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 02:01 AM
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When you stop thinking of this sub as a debate sub about dating and instead view it as a hate sub aimed at insulting men on the autism spectrum, the behavior of the mods and power users will start to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:20 PM
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I saw that, the code of conduct is pretty narrow though. There is nothing in it about mods needing to follow the rules of their own subs, much less to say that they need to enforce those rules fairly with the members of their subs. If a mod is breaking PPD rules, but not site-wide rules, the only recourse posters have is shaming them in the daily thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 12:59 AM
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If someone wants to end a conversation, they're free to just not reply. I don't think someone who lacks the maturity to do that, but feels the need to reply and then lock the thread to get the last word in, should be allowed to moderate this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:22 PM
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So I make a comment about a mod abusing their mod powers, then a user who isn't a mod replies as if I'm talking about them? Who is it that's using alts? Also I have never DM'd anyone on this sub other than mod mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:05 PM
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Remember everyone: Blocking users is against the rules of this sub, unless you're a mod, then you can make a comment to get the last word in and lock the thread so the other person cannot respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 07:31 PM
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Yes, men 100% rag on each other if one of them is dating a girl who is just pretty but is stupid or mean/bitchy. And they will criticize each other if a guy has too high of standards, like if he's overweight and doesn't take care of himself but only wants to date women who look like models. And men will definitely make fun of another man for dating someone much younger. The fact that you think men wouldn't do these things just shows how different women are from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:34 PM
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As I said: I just love how black pill content is totally fine on this sub, but only if it's phrased in a way to blame men for their own struggles. Blackpill content is claiming dating success is entirely determined by unchangeable genetic traits. You are arguing that such content is fine, so long as it's not "woe-is-me", which would mean my comment that using black pill content to insult or demean men is totally fine. You're agreeing with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:31 PM
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More like 2012, but same idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:28 PM
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So the things men can't change are their genetics but the things women can't change are their previous choices? Just more evidence that the central claim of modern feminism is that women are essentially children and should never face any responsibility for their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:27 PM
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Incel Content will not be tolerated. Incels may be banned on sight at mod discretion. Incel Content is mainly determined by 3 factors; 1) Woe-is-me whining and fatalism (this includes the plight of groups) 2) Lookism/Blackpill 3) Using Incel jargon or history on incel forums. So it's against the rules for someone to say "I'm doomed in dating because of a genetic factor I can't control", but totally fine to say "You're doomed in dating because of a genetic factor you can't control"? That sounds l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:25 PM
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Here's the important part of OP's title: and criticize women for doing same thing The point is that men don't criticize women for having standards about things men can control, they criticize women for having standards regarding genetic factors men have no control over. Men don't have the same genetic standards for women. Men and women are not doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:01 PM
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If you voted for Obama more recently than your last first date, you probably don't know how dating works in 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:55 PM
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So, are all black pill takes fine so long as they're "true", at least in the opinion of the person making them? Or should the rule be amended to clarify that it only applies to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:04 AM
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I just love how black pill content is totally fine on this sub, but only if it's phrased in a way to blame men for their own struggles. Extroversion vs introversion is just as genetically determined as height or face shape, but we're totally fine with a mod of this sub saying in the comments that it is the number one determining factor of if a man will struggle in dating or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:38 AM
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Bait used to be believable...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:07 PM
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There are social cues for a lot more than dating and attraction. If the only problem with social cues a man has is that he doesn't ask women out because he doesn't think they're flirting... the problem isn't the social cues. Also, I love how discussions go from talking about dating in general to being specifically about the man posting when PPD women get involved. If PPD mods enforced the "no personal attacks" rule consistently this sub would become an incel space within a week because everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:58 AM
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Men's ability to pick up social cues can only be as good as women's ability to put them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:52 AM
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And if you don't have the social awareness to pick up on social cues For the most part this isn't the problem. The problem for most men who struggle is that they honestly get zero of these social cues from the women in their wider social circles. This is why we simultaneously have record low rates of men asking women out on dates and high rates of women complaining that men will ask them out just because she treated him like a normal human. It's not that men can't gauge interest, it's that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:32 AM
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So in almost all cases men work a little bit more, except one very specific case where the man is non-disabled and not working but the woman is. Did they check the ages of these respondents? Among wives overall, Black women, those with a four-year college degree, those ages 55 to 64 and those with no children are among the most likely to be the breadwinner in their marriage. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:29 AM
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My point is that the violence committed by women in emotional outbursts is more common, they just don't hit as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:47 AM
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Yes, I think the side that is more likely to commit DV is more emotional, even if they aren't physically as strong. You don't have a solid counter argument, so you're pretending that my point doesn't count for reasons you cannot describe. Which, funnily enough, also helps prove my point that women are more emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:27 AM
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You should read the link in the OP then: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father In cases where the respondent works for pay and so does the respondent’s spouse, dads do 62 hours worth of total work each week to moms’ 59.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:22 AM
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Sure, but this is sort of the definition of sexism: punishing some men for things they don't do but other men do. Like, I don't know any cases among my friends or larger social circle where a man has killed his wife or girlfriend. But I know plenty of male friends who have had their wives and girlfriends hit them. I've had girlfriends who hit me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:17 AM
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Feminists either don't actually want that or are very stupid. I have a few married lesbian friends who are having kids. Do you know which partner takes time away from their career to take care of young kids? The partner with the lower income. If feminists wanted partners to take care of kids, they would choose men with lower incomes than them when it comes to dating. But they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:09 PM
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Plenty of men choose not to be violent at all with their partners, but those partners do choose to be violent with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:39 PM
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look up a dictionary, you'll be surprised to find "punch" and "kill" are two different words with different meanings!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:23 PM
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women determined that punching men isn't being "emotional" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:38 PM
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Remember everyone: telling men they should just give up in dating is black pill rhetoric and against the rules of this sub. Unless you're insulting them or tell them to give up in a condescending way, then it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:34 AM
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When 50% copy the worst 5% it brings the average down quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:35 PM
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Starting a conversation with the intent of asking them out on a date and then following through. By your own words, if a man doesn't follow through on asking her out, regardless of whether or not she reciprocates the flirting, it doesn't count as an approach. Quit lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:18 PM
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But it's a much higher percentage of women who act disgusting. That's the unequal part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:13 PM
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So why do some of you want girlfriends so badly? Sexual orientation is something you're born with, I can't just choose to change it. Nor can I choose to change how women behave, that's up to them. You’re talking like women are failing some hidden dating checklist, when you’re literally describing how everyone dates. You talk to someone, you see if the vibe is there, and if it feels mutual, you push things a bit further. That’s not some rare talent. Yeah, that's my point. YOU made it seem like me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:12 PM
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And as long as i see comments of "what was she wearing?" I will also comment "what was he wearing?" I love how like 50% of women will find the behavior of the most deplorable 5% of men, and choose to copy it, then claim that is equality. It's not all women, but like half of all women out there act like the worst men I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:55 PM
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Starting a conversation with the intent of asking them out on a date and then following through. More and more proof that women have zero social skills when it comes to dating. Outside of a very small number of cold approaches, you don't start out 100% bought into the idea of "I absolutely will ask out this woman" when starting a conversation with her. If you talk to couples who are dating long term or got married, I'd guess 98% of them didn't start out with these sorts of cold approaches. It st…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:47 PM
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Many of them don’t approach women. What defines an approach? Is it starting a conversation with somebody or explicitly asking them out on a date? Because if it's the latter, men not approaching isn't measuring an aspect of their character, it's measuring the degree to which women do or do not flirt with them. If it's the former, you're full of shit if you think men don't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:58 PM
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That data set is young people, not young men. Why do you think you're unable to find any source that actually backs up what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:40 PM
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Imagine thinking a paper published in 2011 based on data collected from 2006-2008 is relevant to this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:00 PM
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Some of it isn't just age, it's also how recently you've been single. I see so many blue pill comments from men relatively close to me in age (mid 30s) talking about how dating works but they've been married partners for 10+ years. I was single in 2012 too, I know how it used to work, and it doesn't ork like that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:17 PM
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It seems like men want to appeal to all women. How does it seem like that? Look at how many men get into weightlifting to a bodybuilder-style physique: we know from what women say and how women act that it's only a small percentage of women who are interested in guys like that. So why do so many men pursue it? Because even if it's a small number of women, it's something the men can control instead of a genetic thing they have no control over. Maybe it seems like men are more desperate, but that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:15 AM
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I guess that's my mistake for thinking you were on a debate sub to debate in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:36 AM
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California doesn't count? I guess only women in the US have more rights than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:23 PM
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You need to look up what the laws actually are vs what you think they are. US law generally says killing a clump of cells inside a woman's womb is murder, it is killing a person, unless it is the expectant mother doing so through abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:02 PM
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The unborn are not a person, killing them is like killing a tapeworm. If the unborn was not a person, uber-leftist California would only consider it a single murder to kill a pregnant mother, not a double murder. In all cases except abortion, US law considers the unborn a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:06 PM
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With how we handle bodily autonomy in every other case, women already have complete bodily autonomy when it comes to pregnancy. Nobody can force me to donate a kidney, but once I do I cannot kill the recipient and take my kidney back. Nobody can force a woman to have sex, but once she does in some places she cannot kill the unborn to take her choice back. Even further, if someone steals my kidney they will be held criminally responsible, but it does not grant me recourse to kill the recipient an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:42 AM
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Some lesbians dress with a more masculine style, but all the ones I know are very well put together. Also, the lesbians I know are in way better shape than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:37 AM
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Yes, I know, I saw it when it came out. None of that invalidates what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:49 AM
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Because when you ask people what is most important they don't tell you what is most important, they tell you what is at least somewhat important and most difficult. People who are healthy won't say being healthy is most important, but those dealing with chronic diseases definitely will. The healthy people ought to say that their health is most important, but they don't because it doesn't take up a lot of their time and effort. What this survey shows is that dating for young men has become more d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:39 AM
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Bait used to be believable...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:58 AM
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Having a good job, being relatively fit, and having good social skills doesn't mean you won't struggle as a guy, especially if you expect a partner who also has those three things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:37 AM
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The lack of social acuity of men on here is very much exaggerated by women and older men as an excuse to ignore the realities of modern dating. As with most advice from women, this advice isn't really advice, it's an insult. The idea that the only way a man could possibly struggle is if he has huge deficiencies in social skills or hygiene, rather than acknowledging how women behave in dating post-pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:00 PM
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The income gap between men and women in general is women making like $0.88 for every dollar a man makes, and among unmarried young people it shrinks to basically nothing. However, over 50% of marriages still have the man as the sole or primary breadwinner, bringing in over 60% of the combined income. That would mean a median income gap between husbands and wives with wives only making $0.66 per dollar made by their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:55 PM
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I don't really like this advice for dating. As a guy who has made a concerted effort to do this, it has been great for my social life and mental health, and I have more friends now and get along with people more easily, but that doesn't really matter for dating. Women like it when the guys they are already interested in are more flirty, but being more flirty doesn't make a man more attractive. The women who weren't interested in you before still won't be interested, they just will be more inclin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:21 AM
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This comment does a great job of coming up with a definition of confidence and then talking about a version of confidence with a different definition. I'm going to separate them here as "self-confidence" being an expectation of positive external outcomes and "self-assuredness" being not letting negative outcomes lower how a person views themself and their abilities. So self-confidence means: If I play this I game will likely win If I apply for this job, I will likely get it If I ask out this per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:17 AM
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But who wants a partner that sees you as less than? That's sort of the point, men don't understand why women want this. I want someone who can see me as a partner, that's why I don't limit myself to someone fitter than me and higher income than me and more social than me and smarter than me and with a more attractive face than me and kinder than me and better educated than me and on and on for every category I could think of. I want someone similar to me in those categories, and would settle for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:13 PM
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Societies where women have a large degree of choice and societies where men have a large degree of choice are not necessarily the same. The problem is that women can take on traditionally masculine roles simply through egalitarian legal structures, while men need a willing partner to take on traditionally feminine roles. If I have a sister and she wants to grow up to be a doctor or lawyer or scientist and be career-focused, she can so long as the legal system and education system allows her to. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:58 PM
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Still China. There's an agreement for it to be sold in the future, but that transfer hasn't happened yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:11 PM
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Depending on where you look it up, average / median lifetime sexual partners for women are around 5. So if the average guy only ever asked out 5 women his whole life, the experience would be the same. In reality, men experience rejection hundreds or thousands of times more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:50 PM
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This makes sense, it's sort of like how money has absolutely no bearing on people's lives because everyone has money, just different amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:42 AM
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Between the OP and the top level comment you replied to, which one do you think makes heaps of negative assumptions about women? The main point of the OP, at its core, is that surely the main positive outcome of dating is finding a loving partner who cares about you. Therefore, women ought to be perfectly happy to end up with a loving partner who is relatively similar in terms of fitness and income and grooming and intelligence and facial structure and whatever else you want to go into overall a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:59 AM
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Once you realize the point of this sub is not to debate about dating, but rather to make fun of men who struggle in dating, the posts, rules, and mod behavior will start to make a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:33 AM
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So between the completely facetious response in another thread to avoid actually responding to someone else's point, and your response to me of "uh huh, sure bud", which of those paints you as debating in good faith? You aren't making counter arguments, you're just levying insults and trolling. The idea that people act very differently in person with their friends and anonymously online seems to me to be pretty obvious. If that's all it takes to counter your post, and you have no real counter to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:27 AM
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Sorry, I made this comment before seeing your other comment telling men to pretend they're trans and go on hormone therapies with massive side effects. I thought you were here in good faith, that's my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:18 AM
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The men you know offline who just deal with it and the men online who complain anonymously are the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:09 AM
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So your source is exclusively for Germany, does not account for alimony or child support in the income calculations, and goes on to say that income differences go away in the medium term? You wouldn't know the answer of course, since you read the article not the actual paper. Men don't try because they know they cannot afford the housing required for joint custody along with still paying child support due to women quitting jobs to lower their income.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:16 PM
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Statistically, most men aren’t “financially ruined” after a divorce, they’re better off than her. I would love to see the stats on this and how this conclusion is determined. In reality, divorce with children ruins both partners for all but the richest households. Most couples are struggling to get by while paying for one primary residence, and now they need two primary residences. This is a large part of why men don't pursue custody as much. They won't get primary custody because the courts are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:03 PM
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They only guys I know dating someone they met in person after the pandemic Yes, dating was different before the pandemic. I blame dating apps, I think lockdowns really increased the number of women who have ever used apps, even if those women aren't active on them all the time. If you're a guy who doesn't do well on dating apps you're not going to do well in person with women who have ever used dating apps, and for women out of college that's like 98% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:41 PM
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How long ago and how old were you both? Most of the couples I know met in person. But none of them met after covid with the woman being out of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:08 PM
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People are doing just fine offline, so no Only if they're still in college, or at least young enough to date women still in college. They only guys I know dating someone they met in person after the pandemic are cases where the woman was still in school when they met. The only women I know dating someone they met after the pandemic are the women mentioned above, and the women dating other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:42 AM
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I think there's a difference between saying social media is giving the "what" of the problem vs social media giving the "why" of the problem. Because I don't know for sure why, but I know almost everyone in my social circle who was single after college is still single. For the ones that aren't, the ways they meet their partners are my male friends meeting people through OLD, one guy having a woman at work initiate things, and another guy dating a woman who another guy in the group got a restrain…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:19 PM
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Having ventures and interests isn't the same as growing from them. She has interests but no investment because if things ever get hard Daddy-boyfriend will come in and fix it or fund her doing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:27 PM
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If those standards were for a parent raising a child, we would criticize them as spoiling the child and limiting the child's growth. They are more in line with the upkeep you would expect a person to do for a car or boat, some object that cannot act for itself and cannot grow in its capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:35 AM
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I think that's fine, if we allow men to learn to live single. But we don't, we tell men they need to learn to live single AND they need to do so on our terms. There are plenty of sexist women on this sub who will disagree with me, but hormones are a hell of a drug and not just when women have them. Telling men to learn to be single is equivalent to telling them to overcome an addiction they biologically had no choice but to fall into. Now, there's a dirty little secret about how we as humans ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:10 PM
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I love how blatantly sexist women on this sub are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:40 PM
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Why are women bragging about being as bad as the worst characterization women make of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:14 PM
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Trouble is hormones are a hell of a drug. Men should be more picky in the same way women should not be cranky on their periods and should just choose to never get postpartum depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:04 PM
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No wonder dating is so much harder for Gen Z men than previous generations then, like 75% of Gen Z women are neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:57 PM
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A good general rule is to insult the thing you dislike. If you dislike a politician for being a lying fascist, call him a lying fascist. If you instead call him short and bald, what you're really saying to all the short or bald men who aren't lying fascists is that you view them being short and/or bald as worse than being a lying fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:54 PM
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I know it was two full sentences, and that can be a lot, but you came so close to reading all of what I wrote instead of just picking out keywords and disagreeing. Here's the part you missed: Telling men they should be ok with It's not that this is something that happens, but we go one step further and tell men they need to accept this and they shouldn't be upset by it. College is different levels of unaffordable depending on which school you choose and where you live, and people view that as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:55 PM
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Cool, same problem then. Telling men they should be ok with something on par with not graduating from school or not being able to retire.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:34 PM
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So do we have equally large and important gatherings to celebrate someone choosing to become vegan, or deciding to support a sports team? If the important thing about marriage was the commitment, it wouldn't be the only commitment celebrated in this manner. The important thing about marriage isn't that people are making a commitment, it's that people are becoming family and family is important. The problem with recognizing this is that you cannot in the same breath turn around and tell men that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:07 PM
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I think you and a bunch of other women on this sub are overestimating the percentage of men you're attracted to. It probably isn't close to 20%, it's probably closer to 2%. Your 2% might not overlap much with your sister's 2%, and maybe neither of you overlap much with someone else's 2%, but you don't get 80/20 from the overlap among what you find attractive, but rather from the overlap of what you find unattractive. So the same 80% of men are in the 98% you don't like, and the 98% your sister d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:30 PM
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Nobody's gonna remember come tomorrow Yeah, it's not like everyone has a camera in their pocket and ability to post things for anybody to see. Again, have you ever met any women in real life? At least, any comfortable enough to talk openly around you? This sort of gossip happens. Again, why would she do that to some random who she'll never see again? Again, most wouldn't. But some like the sympathy they get from being the victim, especially if they don't have to actually be the victim of anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:01 AM
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whats autistic about OP’s alternative timeline? Nothing. This sub has a rule against personal attacks, but since the mods care more about shitting on autistic men than they care about talking about dating, calling someone autistic isn't considered a personal attack, and isn't enforced as being against the rules. It isn't an insult that fits, but it's the insult that's allowed on this sub, so it's the insult the previous poster went with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 10:48 PM
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And I know my fair share of women who, while they didn't do anything aggressive at the time to the guy, did trash the guy to me and others in our social group later. I've heard men insulted without even asking a woman out, just sitting nearby in the bar we were in. And I've heard false assault allegations made up. Again, it's not all women, it's not even most women, but women do 100% tell on themselves in how they treat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 10:39 PM
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Lol, you're going to be in for a big surprise when you first meet women in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:01 PM
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Because she doesn't need most men to be willing to do this, she just needs one man to be willing to do this. I personally wouldn't go for this because it sounds like a scam, but the reason it sounds like a scam is because it would work some of the time. If she can go on tinder and get 50 matches and only 10% of guys would go for this sort of deal, she has on average 5 guys to choose from. By the way, this is the same reason I don't cold approach random women, it's too likely to end in some false…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:45 PM
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What i meant is you should find women you want to attract and then ask then questions about what would attract them. What's stopping them from being attracted to you. Have you ever interacted with women? Nobody with an ounce of social awareness would explicitly ask this. So again, I watch what they do instead of what they say, and their actions say there are no men that are attractive to them. Not any real men they know of at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:43 PM
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Find men who are successful in a way you want to be and follow their advice. This is sort of my problem, there aren't any men I know who are successful in the way I want to be. I have plenty of friends in happy relationships, but all of them started when the woman was either in college or just out of college, before she turned 25. Now that I'm into my mid 30s, I just don't want to date women that young. Find women who you want to attract and listen to what they say. They say there are no good me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:27 PM
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I did, that's how I know you didn't understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:38 PM
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Treating women like they're people is generally considered misogyny. The internet has proven this. There are plenty of places on the internet where people are basically anonymous, you cannot tell whether someone is man or woman. These platforms skew heavily male, and the platforms that skew heavily female are those where such anonymity does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:16 PM
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I love when people post articles they obviously didn't read, since even a quick glance shows that the article in question completely disproves whatever point they were trying to make. Shouldn't surprise me though, you didn't bother to read my comments either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:07 PM
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How come you always hear men complain about their wives if they value good women? They don't value good women, they have very little choice so the only value they act on is which women say yes to them. This is why I don't understand how women can be happy with the current dating dynamic. I wouldn't want to spend my life with a partner who didn't find anything special about me other than my willingness to date them, but unless you're marrying a top 10% man that's what you get as a woman today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 09:29 PM
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Lots of them just accept this requirement from women, and some just don’t have enough options to be picky. How is this a counter to OP's argument? OP posts that women act a certain way, and your argument is that women don't act that way because they do act that way, because some men accept that women act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:59 AM
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But you said she didn’t say anything to you - she said it to her peers later. I said I don't know what was said about me, just what was said to me about others. Gossip holds utility. Based on what? You've said this like it's scientific fact and bring up neither proof nor even plausible explanation. You’re switching it up now by claiming she laughed at you. Does that happen to you often? That you’re laughed at when you try to approach women out of your league? And here's the part where you realiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:53 PM
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I challenge you to find any academic paper that shows laughing at people being rejected when asking for dates has "proven community utility". Also, where did I say no men are hostile? If any man I knew attempted to shit on some woman for asking him out when he rejected her I would consider that shitty and hostile behavior. But I've never had that happen. In my experience only women do that. Personally, I also think it's shitty and hostile when women do it. But I understand we live in a sexist so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:15 PM
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Yes. I know women don't really think of average men as human, but trashing somebody's reputation to others in the social circle is very hostile. It isn't physically hostile, but it is hostile. A couple years ago I was asked out by a woman I worked with. I turned her down, in part I didn't find her attractive, in part I don't date coworkers. You know which of our mutual friends I told about it? Nobody. You know which of my other friends and family I told about it? Absolutely nobody. It isn't thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:53 AM
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It's not what they say to you, it's what they say to everyone else afterwards. I don't know what they say about me, but I do know what they say about all the other guys they've rejected, because they tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:44 PM
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Those 5% of women are great. The other 95% are the ones men have a problem with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:29 AM
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Decent looking = attractive enough that she at least wants to kiss him This statement means nothing. Their standard for attractiveness is men who meet their standard for attractiveness. This could be all men, it could be half of all men, it could be 2% of men, it could be zero actual living men, only men in pictures after taking steroids for years, dehydrating themselves, and then being photoshopped. We have a rule against "contentless rhetoric" on this sub which really just means opinions the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 02:57 AM
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I would think if it was pretty common then I would have seen some examples of it, but I haven't. I have seen examples of women who are physically abusive. I have seen examples of women who use marriage (without children) as an excuse to stop working to stay in shape. I have seen examples of women using dating and marriage as an excuse to stop working and live off their partner (again, sometimes without kids). I have seen examples of false sexual assault allegations in response to a guy rejecting…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:35 PM
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Honestly, the only couple I can think of where the woman makes more is where they started off in similar jobs at the same company but she went into management because the company literally announced they were tying executive compensation to increasing the percentage of women managers. In my experience it's more common for the man to contribute >80% of the combined household income than for the woman to contribute >50%. I just don't know any couples like that. I know a bunch where the woman has g…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:37 AM
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Among my 100 closest friends, only a single couple started dating in high school. In that case the two work similar jobs and the husband is in significantly better physical shape, probably better shape than 90% of men his age. I know as many couples where the woman had a restraining order filed for being physically abusive with a former partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:01 AM
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Oof, you should probably delete your other comment then, since it doesn't make sense without this equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:42 PM
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Exactly, it's like women keeping a bag packed or a separate bank account, she's accusing her partner of being abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:38 PM
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If the people on this sub were as ignorant as their comments would lead you to believe, we'd see half of them dying off every couple of years from walking into traffic or forgetting to breathe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:01 PM
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Ah, I was hoping the "different things" women had to offer was more than just a hole. How is your relationship with your mother knowing that she didn't want you and only had children as a gift to your father, since you view offspring as something women "offer" to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:00 PM
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Why is having sex the same thing as marrying? I'm fine picking up dog poop in a bag when I go for a walk with my dog, but I wouldn't want to step in it or eat it, to continue the analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:49 PM
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Oh don't worry, they know, people on this sub just like being intentionally dumb to shit on men who struggle with dating. The sooner you realize this sub isn't about debates about dating but rather a hate sub aimed at insulting men who are unsuccessful, the more all the behavior of the mods and most active users makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:41 PM
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Men and women are different, and have different things to offer one another. Which of loyalty, attention, intimacy, and companionship do you not expect a male partner to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:18 PM
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In this thread: OP: Don't be a hypocrite. Responses: But what if I only do part of things you're talking about and am not a hypocrite? Other responses: Being a hypocrite isn't illegal! OP: Facepalm...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:11 PM
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For the most part We're not talking about "for the most part". We're talking about a single example of someone doing something very atypical, and claiming that is relevant for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:04 PM
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And men's opinions of "looksmatches" remain irrelevant, because they'll rate themselves just as highly as the women they want and then call that "matched" But the passage you quoted said exactly the opposite of that. It says the men who inflate their own rating also inflate the ratings of others, both men and women. So the man who is average but rates himself as above average wouldn't consider himself "matched" with an actually-above-average woman. He would inflate her rating to well above avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:13 PM
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But men aren't adapting. They've fallen out of education, the workforce, socializing, dating... That's a strong indication that women don't actually value or reward those things anymore. On the other hand, you do see young men today spending more time and money on clothes and haircuts, they are more likely to use steroids, they are more likely to develop eating disorders, they spend more money on jewelry and watches and other signs of wealth. Supply responds to demand, it just turns out women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:05 PM
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My crux is wrt the ones who have a superiority about their sTem-ness, but are inferior in other integral ways. But it's not "ways", it's only one "way". There's all this talk of STEM guys or autism spectrum guys that they have good intelligence for school but struggle in other areas... except they kind of don't. Like we have societal problems with people being able to make friends as adults, but those aren't necessarily higher among these struggling men. They have hobbies and interests, maybe mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:28 AM
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That's because these studies don't have a consistent definition for what "approaching" means. Unless your social skills never developed past elementary school, you don't go from 0 interaction to immediately asking someone out on a date in most of your interactions. So the studies say fewer men are explicitly asking women out on dates, but that doesn't mean they aren't "approaching". It's just that these approaches are more normal conversation, asking someone how they're doing, and then depending…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:51 PM
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It's the way a parent with no backbone treats their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:24 PM
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You don't need to further explain yourself. What you said in the previous comment was very clear and understandable. This sub has a lot of trolls who enjoy playing dumb, they pretend to not understand so they can ignore and misrepresent ideas they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:42 AM
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You see that all the time on this sub. There's a post on the front page here about how men need to remember they're competing against women being happy alone, not just competing against other men. What's the point of that post? That men need to remember that women are picky? You're not going to find any guy here that disagrees with that. The point is to justify why women can have standards the women themselves cannot meet. That as a guy you need to be ok dating a fat woman despite being fit your…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:07 AM
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It's basically the same as how women defend "feminists" and act like they don't know what men are talking about when they use "feminist" as a buzzword for misandrist, verbally abusive women. People tend to cling to the actual definition of a term even if others attempt to redefine that term as a pejorative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:16 AM
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Within a few weeks it became clear to me that multiple girls in the office knew about what happened. It was obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:18 AM
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Did you read the OP? OP was fine with the rejection. He was not fine with the reputation destruction that happened afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 08:11 PM
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I'd say roughly a quarter of the time it is rude right away, around another quarter it is cordial in the moment but the woman will mock you to her friends behind your back. Another quarter of the time it is cordial but she will lie in some way about her reasoning, and the final quarter is actually truthful and cordial the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 07:44 PM
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Women that put a lot into their appearance are not going to be interesting in the average joe off the street that can’t even bother to put any effort into their attire. Nobody, men or women, cares that much about the effort someone puts into their appearance. If they did, there would be fit, educated, well-earning women dating obese, broke, uneducated men just because those men put more effort into the clothes they wear or get expensive haircuts or wear nice colognes. The effort women put in jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:11 AM
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Everyone is having more trouble making friends, but it's almost exclusively men who are having more trouble with dating and relationships. There aren't any societal fixes for these dating issues that don't involve women changing their behaviors, and most people in society find it immoral to make women change these behaviors. Therefore, we pretend men's problems are with making friends, not with dating, so we can avoid the uncomfortable conversations around not wanting to solve the problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:17 AM
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The "epidemic" that people are complaining about is loneliness in general, not specifically a lack of marriage and family Depends on who you ask. The ones who claim to be direct victims of the epidemic claim it is more about romantic relationships, the people who are not themselves victims of it claim it is about friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:33 AM
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The “loneliness epidemic” is less about men being single. It’s more that 1 in 5 men have no friends. Says who? In my experience the men who have a romantic partner but no close friends are few and far between but don't have the same problem with "loneliness" as men with plenty of close platonic friends but no romantic prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:30 AM
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How come absolutely none of the dating advice that gets posted to this sub comes from straight men who have gone on a first date with a woman this decade? The advice comes from everyone else: from women, from gay/bi/pan men, from men whose last first date was in 2015, and from people who have never had a successful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:50 PM
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You're arguing that therapy is good in general because it's good at treat anxiety disorders, ignoring that not everyone has an anxiety disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:37 PM
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it's not like antibiotics that just work when you "swallow it" I didn't say it was, I said it's like antibiotics in the sense that if you have a viral infection, it doesn't matter how much effort you put into it, you're not going to see any positive results. You touted therapy as "making someone a better person" but the only example is "treating a specific disorder". Being lonely and unhappy because you don't have a partner is not a disorder. Being stressed because you don't have enough income t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:36 PM
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It's not that reddit's population is hugely different, it's that the people discounting the 80-20 rule cannot understand perspectives outside their own. They know what they find attractive, and know it isn't the same thing as their friends, so the 80-20 rule must not be true! But the rule is really more about which men women find unattractive, and how much crossover there is in this group. An individual woman might only find 5% or 2% of men attractive, and might not overlap much with any of her …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:17 PM
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What is your basis to claim that therapy doesn't make peoplel a better person? That it didn't work for me, hasn't made a noticeable change in anyone I know, and that the most toxic people I know are the ones who most use therapy speak to bully others. I have friends who enjoy therapy, but I also have friends who enjoy smoking weed or playing golf or playing computer games. That doesn't mean those things make them a better person. At best, I'd say therapy is like antibiotics: it can treat a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:02 PM
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The men here hate women the same way trans people hate republicans.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:50 PM
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Aren't women going to therapy to become better people No, therapy doesn't make you a better person, at least not therapy in the form it exists as today. Almost all therapy is just a way to consume attention in exchange for money. Women desire attention more than men, so women are the main consumers of therapy. Men value purpose and camaraderie more, that's why hobby groups tend to be male dominated. It's also why grifters on the internet more often prey on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:00 PM
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You could have just answered "no" instead of giving an example of how you don't understand how they work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:44 PM
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Men don't love women unconditionally because that love is conditional on being loved in return. Men are somehow evil for having this expectation, and should die alone and be shunned from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 04:37 AM
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This is really a good example of my point. If I was a guy struggling with dating and posted this as a reason for why I would always struggle due to genetics I cannot control, it would be removed for being blackpill rhetoric. But when the same idea is used to mock or demean men on the spectrum, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:42 AM
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Trying to find a non-misandrist sub on an explicitly misandrist website is a fool's errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:25 AM
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When you realize this sub isn't about discussing dating dynamics, but rather is a hate sub aimed at insulting and demeaning men on the autism spectrum, the behavior of the mods and power users starts to make much more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:23 AM
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Do you understand at a base level what the concept of an insult is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:53 PM
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Some people just can't help themselves but prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:13 AM
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The people who brag about only coming here to troll are still here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:03 PM
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If the only advice being given is to not do an obviously bad thing that the struggling men aren't doing, it's not actually advice. It's an insult claiming their struggles must be due to them doing some similarly bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:49 PM
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I think some of the response to this on the guy side is that we have all of those problems too, AND can go weeks / months / years without a first date. Like, it's hard to find a needle in a haystack, but at least you have a haystack to search through. If you spend years looking just to find the haystack, the first piece of hay you pick up might start looking close enough to a needle... I just don't understand why women don't want to change the system. Why would you want a system where the men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:12 AM
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The point is to have a warm outer layer for people who are wheelchair-bound. The marketing to people not in wheelchairs is to help with economies of scale so the unit cost is lower for the people in wheelchairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:38 AM
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It's women saying that women aren't picky, it's all men's fault because the fit men don't want to date fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:34 AM
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Look, there's the dog whistle! You see, women on here don't tell fit men they need to date fat women, because they do but it's ok because it's good advice for fit men to date fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:17 AM
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If you're not fat. Sure. That's a fair expectation to have and want to date someone who isn't. It might be fair, but it's not realistic for maybe 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 fit men. i mean as in this person you meet. Just meet. Match with what have you. And you attach date, sex, romance all this stuff before you even like talk. And how to get to the outcome before even seeing is this a person you want an outcome with. So in the instance they unmatch stop replying. It's not a soul crushing rejection before…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:25 AM
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As I said, it's a dog whistle. Usually said as something like "men aren't really struggling, they are just only going after the most attractive women." Then you press on what "most attractive women" means, and it means absolutely all women who aren't fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:14 AM
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Pro tip: they are, women just can't tell because they're horny for one and not the other. It's like when guys think the cute blonde with a bunch of cleavage is funnier than the average looking woman, even if they tell the same jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:27 AM
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Where did I say fit men should date fat women? Here: Managing your expectations. It's basically the only expectation these men have. Unless you meant it as "just don't ask someone out right away", in which case all the advice you gave is garbage and doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:25 AM
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Where did I say all? You can talk about women "in general" or "on average", and that doesn't mean the thing is true of all women. Women in general can understand statements about the group don't apply to everyone in the group, but that doesn't mean all women understand this. And if you've been on this sub more than like a week and don't understand how many comments are dog whistles telling fit men they need to date fat women, you really aren't reading with the intent to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:22 AM
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If the vibes are off it's because the looks are off. Guys will give off the exact same vibes and be best friends and women will act like they're completely different because one is better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:16 PM
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Where did I say it was all of it? I see 10x as many couples with fat women and fit men than I do with fit women and fat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:14 PM
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So you actually don't have to make actionable changes on things you can fix. Your style. Your grooming. Your weight. How you talk to people. Managing your expectations. Basically the only one of those that works is the last one. If this sub changed its rules such that advocating for fit men to date fat women was considered black pill content, within a week the only women left on this sub would be the ones who post constantly in the daily and never talk about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:11 PM
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You have the correlation right but the causation wrong. Halo effect means your vibes will be seen as better if you look better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:03 PM
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Then why did you equate being fat and looks in your initial comment on this thread? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1kdwb5a/looks_weekly_discussion_thread/mqemwvu/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:00 PM
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I can't go by personal experience because I'm not fat. But we have lots of data that shows women are more selective based on looks than men are. I don't need to rely on personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:20 PM
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Based on your interpretation of your experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:14 PM
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Women aren't a monolith. Just because something is or isn't true of you personally doesn't mean it is or isn't true of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:03 PM
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Women on here think saying the looksmatches for fat women are fat men is bashing fat women. Women hate fat men more than men hate fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:46 PM
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For most of it I think "well-intentioned" is a good term, as opposed to calling it "effective" advice. A lot of the advice on this sub is more things that the people giving it wished worked rather than things that actually work. Almost all of the advice comes from women or from men who haven't gone on a first date in the last 5 years, and often not in the last 10 years. I'm somewhat different from most men on here because I'm older, in my mid 30s, and have had dating success in the past. I was w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:42 PM
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Why do you think data from 1999-2002 or 2015-2019 shows that lifetime sexless rates haven't risen from 2018 to 2022?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:14 AM
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As I said: The lifetime sexless rate is obviously going to be a lagging indicator, even if all women everywhere, in a relationship or not, stopped having sex with men for a year it would hardly change the number of lifetime sexless men. We know that lifetime rate is ticking up a bit, but cannot predict for sure whether that means people first having sex later or more people not having sex at all. You're saying OP is wrong when we can't know one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:11 AM
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And I can’t teach you how to tell if a study might have a bias. Yeah, because you yourself don't know. You judge it not by whether or not a study has consistent methods but rather by whether or not the results match your expectations. But all things considered, fact is majority still pulling, majority still getting some. So you're arguing that a stat can't be going up if it's not the case for the majority? If the number of women who died in childbirth was 10 times higher in 2025 than it was in 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:19 AM
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Well, I guess I can't teach you how to read a chart.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 12:58 AM
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So you're saying sexlessness isn't going up, because it is going up but there's a reason for why it's going up? I 100% agree with you, and the numbers in my source back it up. The increase is sexlessness over the last year mirrors the increase in sexlessness over the last 3 months, so it doesn't seem to be the case that men engaging in casual sex are doing so less frequently, but rather that men who only have sex in the context of long term relationships are less likely to be in those relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 11:36 PM
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Then why does the same source have the rate for 22-34 year old men at roughly double in a different article? https://ifstudies.org/blog/sexless-america-young-adults-are-having-less-sex So, the study that changed methods says the rate of sexlessness is down, but the study that didn't change methods says the rate is increasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:54 PM
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The question was whether men with typical hormone levels have a different libido than women with typical hormone levels. How does the libido of men with atypical hormone levels from doing amateur injections to boost their own testosterone answer that question? The person I responded to said something true, but not relevant. I pointed out it wasn't relevant, and now you're accusing me of saying it was untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:45 PM
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So we should ignore the evidence of science-based hormone treatments meant to mimic biological males because of data from amateurs injecting themselves with whatever they feel like? Maybe you should quit guessing about how hormones work if you don't know...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:56 PM
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You've basically described my strategy, I'm 35 and have been single for the past 10 years. There have been some dates, but never enough to have a talk about exclusivity or being boyfriend/girlfriend. The only cases where I've rejected women are where the woman was obese, showed a lack of interest by ghosting for over a week in the talking stage or standing me up on a date, or was >5 years younger than me since I find that age gap uncomfortable. Your advice is good in the sense of avoiding bad re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:36 PM
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As far as “population decline.” Eh. There are 8 billion people on the planet contributing to unsustainable amounts of feckless consumption and producing enormous amounts of toxic waste. A decline in some of these high-consumption areas will give the earth some room to breathe and heal. We should treat her better. She’s all we got. Space travel hasn’t identified a replacement yet lol The problem with population decline isn't that the population is getting smaller, it's that the population is gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:05 AM
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Most pet owners don't spend enough time playing with their pets, especially cats since they're not as used to being pack animals. I'd bet 95% of cat ownership and maybe 60% of dog ownership could reasonably be considered animal abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:43 AM
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That’s why men want the Madonna and the whore to exist simultaneously in women. That's what I said, and fundamentally different from dual mating strategy in women to get both from two different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:03 AM
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As I said before: I don't think the part of red pill that does also claims men want the "Madonna" long term partner. Where in that post are you seeing the Madonna portion of attraction? The only spot I can see this secondary attraction argued for is that "beautiful" and "hot" are two different things? I don't think that is a great explanation, especially when a better explanation is that the Madonna side is just acquiescing to the female mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:07 AM
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That's one anonymous post, and not from one of their special tagged users. By that logic blue pill theory is that love doesn't matter in relationships and you can just leave them on a whim even if you still love the other person. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1ifgnzw/cmv_its_ok_to_break_up_or_divorce_even_if_nothing/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:40 AM
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I don't think it's all red pill that claims that, and I don't think the part of red pill that does also claims men want the "Madonna" long term partner. The dual mating strategy for women is arguing that the same woman will want the AF and the BB. I think sources you're talking about on the men's side are different between those claiming men want the Madonna and those claiming men want the whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:16 AM
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Everyone craves variety in sex, just like everyone craves variety in what they have for dinner. That doesn't mean they crave different partners, you can do different things with the same partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:10 AM
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"Most men" both don't want that and don't do that. I would guess the n-count for the median man outside of a committed relationship is 0. What men want, and want I've seen them say on here, is a long term partner with genuine attraction for him. But they agree with red pill, and honestly blue pill as well, that the strategy for obtaining that genuine attraction is the same as the strategy for obtaining casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:07 AM
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just that they engage in a dual mating strategy just as women do. That was my point with the first comment: it's not dual mating strategy because they don't want two different women, they want a single woman who acts differently in different situations. The red pill justification for this is that men’s dual mating strategy is to 1) sow his seed in as many females as possible to increase his genetic lineage (mating with whores), and 2) to commit to one or a few women in his lifetime to ensure to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 12:44 AM
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But that is flirting. We live in a society with certain social norms and are judged by how well we fit with them, even if we don't personally agree with them. I've had this conversation with some female friends. We had a group of about 25 of us on a trip to another city for an event over the weekend, and were out at a bar Saturday evening with other people from other cities also there for the event. I wore a nice but still pretty casual button up shirt with only the very top button unbuttoned. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 12:22 AM
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The word you're looking for is "flirting". Men are attracted to women who flirt with them, but then become less attracted if they find out she flirts with everyone. They want a partner who values and prioritizes them over other men. The only thing I don't understand is why women don't want the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:37 PM
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Men do shoot their shot, the difference is that we're not in elementary school anymore and we don't shoot our shot the same we did as children. "Approaching" is almost always just starting a conversation, not immediately asking someone out on a date when you don't even know their name. I know because I do it, I did it earlier today, funnily enough while we were both physically standing on grass. I met someone new through a hobby group I'm in, so I'll introduce myself, make conversation, try to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:31 PM
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Right, this is the sort of slippery slope natural differences argument. If there is such a widespread personality difference between most women and most men, are there other personality differences? Maybe similar to how women are more conscientious men are more comfortable taking risks, or more comfortable in leadership positions, or more comfortable engaging in competition, and that's why CEOs and political leaders are more often men. This would mean much of what we thought was sexism is really…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:17 PM
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So the point I was responding to isn't true because it is true but it's a good thing that it's true? Strange argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:11 PM
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Women are picker about personality traits that impact presentation. This only makes sense if you have unscientific views about what makes people fat. Men have been known to attempt reproduction with animals and inanimate objects. Oh boy, do I have news for you about the prevalence of sex toys for women...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:09 PM
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Women are pickier about looks than men are. Men consider a higher percentage of women physically attractive than women find men physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:26 PM
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Not sure about girls being more privileged. Being 50% more likely to go to and graduate from college is a huge amount of evidence. Either this is natural differences, or there is a huge difference in societal treatment of boys vs girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 07:24 PM
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Meanwhile the brilliant, geeky Valedictorian is stuck with a passel of morons because the CS majors and D&D guys ignore the smart students because they trained their dicks to respond to porn cues??? This would be a great argument, but it's simply not what happens in reality. The geeky, nerdy women basically get to take their pick of the geeky, nerdy men. The only exception is when the woman in question is obese and only wants men who are not obese, but even then she will only sometimes have prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 02:43 AM
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Well that's sort of the difficult discussion we're not having. Either this disparity means that there are significant differences in intellectual capabilities between the sexes, and not just at the extremes but in the middle, or we need to acknowledge that some combination of things in our culture and education system is as sexist against boys as it used to be against girls. I think it's more the latter. That men and boys today face similar discrimination to what their mothers and grandmothers f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 02:22 AM
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Having a boy instead of having a girl. Like I said in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:55 AM
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Easily choose to be a woman in today's society. If for no other reason than the bias in education: if there was a parenting practice that people could choose to do that would lower your child's chances of going to college by 33% we would consider it child abuse and make it illegal. That was the difference 20 years ago between having a boy vs having a girl, and the gap is widening.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:47 AM
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Yes, those aren't the only sorts of things these women are picky about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:57 PM
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If you think violence, or a threat of violence, is an appropriate response to this sort of mild inconvenience you should seek professional help.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:10 AM
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Don't hate the player, hate the game. Women's actions, both individually and as a group, have consequences. One of them is that men will act rationally within the rules of dating. If you want that to change, you need to change the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:00 AM
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Men think women who are nice/friendly want to sleep with them, because most men are only nice to women they deem attractive and want to fuck. No, they don't. Men know that they have the responsibility to initiate when it comes to dating and flirting. So if a guy is only going to ask out 1 woman this year, he's going to ask out the 1 woman who comes closest to flirting with him. The problem for these men is that women in general are so cold and hostile to him that if one treats him with common de…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 03:39 AM
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You're treating women as a monolith when they aren't. As I said: Some women are totally fine dating men who are roughly their equals and dating within their social circles. These women, almost exclusively, are not single past the age of 25. They aren't necessarily married at 25, but they are dating the person they will marry by age 25. These are the women you are describing, I am friends with a bunch of them, your description of them is correct. But plenty of women are not like that. It's this o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 09:10 PM
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Some women are totally fine dating men who are roughly their equals and dating within their social circles. These women, almost exclusively, are not single past the age of 25. They aren't necessarily married at 25, but they are dating the person they will marry by age 25. These men are attractive... to some women. That's my point, and those are the women who will straight up ask a guy how he's still single. The problem is those women asking this aren't single themselves, they found a partner fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:46 AM
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It is funny to see how much effort women on here take to reduce women's attractiveness to a binary thing. There are more women out there than just obese single mothers in their 30s or instagram models in their early 20s. But women on here as if whenever a man claims he doesn't want the former he must be delusional in thinking he can get the latter. If the mods of this sub decided advocating for fit men to date fat women counted as a blackpill topic 80% of the women on here would be banned within…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:24 AM
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The difference is I gave a "why" and the closest you came was just claiming "men bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:52 AM
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Right, the problem is some women want long term relationships, but not with hardly any of the men she knows or might even interact with. The women where if you could put the 100 men closest to her social circle through hobbies, friends of friends, school, work, and whatever other connections you could find, she'd only be willing to date like 3 of them. This is the 80-20 rule: it's not that women all have the same tastes, but where each individual woman only likes 3% of men almost all those sets …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:51 AM
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You make a good point. If we ignore all evidence and everything both men and women say and assume that the opposite is really true, then there's no evidence against your claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:44 AM
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Men cheat more because women are more willing to have sex with a man already in a relationship. Men aren't violent more, they're just stronger so violence from them more often results in injury. Violence in relationships by women against men is more common than violence by men against women. Gambling and drug use are more symptoms of living in oppressive conditions. Men gamble and use drugs more for the same reason they commit suicide more and are less likely to go to college. I'm somewhat defer…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:07 PM
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Hot and nice>hot and mean>ugly and nice>ugly and mean Right, but the OP is talking about which spot in that scale do men start struggling to find partners. Redpill thinks the cutoff is that "hot and mean" do ok while "ugly and nice" struggle. Most women and blue pill on here argue that either "ugly and nice" doesn't exist, or that the cutoff for struggling is between "ugly and nice" and "ugly and mean", that only "ugly and mean" men struggle. That's the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:18 PM
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That has not been my experience at all. There's a subset of women who are fine marriage material, they'd be good potential partners, they just aren't willing to date anyone realistic. On the men's side, there are guys who would be good potential partners who cannot find anyone interested. You just don't really hear about it due to the stigma around being an incel. It's sort of like if you're a guy who says, "women don't really have much trouble with or fear of sexual assault in 2025, they feel p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:13 PM
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The stats that show this would be the same stats showing that wearing helmets in war increases head injuries. There's a survivorship bias that you're ignoring. Some women are totally fine dating men who are roughly their equals and dating within their social circles. These women, almost exclusively, are not single past the age of 25. They aren't necessarily married at 25, but they are dating the person they will marry by age 25. The problem for men is that there aren't enough of these women to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:42 AM
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For starters, for it to be advice it needs to be more actionable than just "work on this thing". If you're applying for jobs and I tell you to work on your resume, that doesn't give you anything to do. Do you need to make it more concise, go into more detail, add new skills, get a degree or certification, include better keywords? We don't know, we're just saying resumes are important. The only thing you know is to try changing something. Well, for many guys who struggle their whole personality w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 05:33 AM
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You're on a debate sub, made a post flagged as "debate", and are unwilling to debate. I know the intent: to blame dating struggles on extreme levels of problems socializing, as a covert way to claim that anyone struggling with dating must have those extreme social deficiencies. If I'm "triggered", it's because I view that assumption as incorrect. That's why I've said what I've said. You got called out for a bad take, and are choosing to insult rather than back up your take or admit it is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:36 PM
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Most women under a certain age have tried them Yeah, and that age is like 35. A woman can be single, ready to settle, and still have zero interest in them Any woman ready to "settle" for a man who is her equal can find a partner in like 2 weeks. Dating apps are there for the women who find 95% of their own expanded social circles to be unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:31 PM
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Why do you think you're unable to answer my questions? Seems like you know if you did you would prove my earlier statement correct...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:24 PM
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Dating apps are only mostly men due to more men than women being single. Somehow dating apps are majority men but also every single woman is or has at some point been on dating apps. If women stopped sharing men and were ok dating men who are their equals the gap in dating app usage would disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:25 AM
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Do you count "you're so triggered" as a personal attack? I'd assume not, otherwise 90% of the women on here would be banned by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:07 AM
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So your OP was only aimed at a minority of men who struggle with dating? You recognize that most are just fine at making friends and don't struggle as you describe?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:02 AM
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Have fun. It's not like you responded to my point anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:45 AM
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The OP is not a criticism of men either, it is advice The advice is "stop doing this thing I'm criticizing you for doing" If you're going to keep accusing me of lying I'm just going to put you on ignore PPD women love bragging about breaking the sub's rules. Disagreeing with you isn't "feigning" fucking shit But you haven't disagreed with me, that's my point. You keep pretending you cannot understand my point so you don't have to argue against it. People are allowed to have different opinions an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:15 AM
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Yes, the OP is a criticism of men and your comment agreeing with it is also a criticism of men. Funny how that works. I understood your point: that an action that fails in its main goal but has positive side effects cannot be criticized for not completing its main goal because of the positive side effects. I didn't "feel triggered", I called that out as stupid bullshit because if we apply it to any other situation we would all agree it's stupid bullshit. That's why you're feigning misunderstandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:54 PM
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Just pointing out how your criticism of men doesn't hold true in any other area of life. But you understood that. You'd just rather pretend not to understand since you can't make a counter argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:37 PM
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Exactly, this is why we are all consistent about not complaining about anything in life unless absolutely everything is going wrong. Like if you're applying for a job, go to the interview, and don't get it, you would never complain about not having a job because you had the positive of growing your network and having a good conversation with the recruiter for that business.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:35 PM
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No, they're suggesting that any man who struggles with dating must be a horrible person who are only single because of their own horrible choices and generally hating people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:31 PM
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Yeah, men who are not considered attractive tend to be excluded from mixed friend groups. Conversely, there are plenty of men, especially those with more nerdy interests, have extremely strong friend groups but struggle mightily with dating. The guys who play D&D and MtG multiple times per week at the local game store probably spend way more time with friends than the average man. You need mixed friend groups, and the ones I'm a part of tend to have women who don't want to invite any unattractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:29 PM
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Rich is preferable, but the worst case scenario are women who are poor with high incomes. Plenty of high income people just increase their spending to match and can never really save, women like this will be the biggest drain on your money, even though they make plenty of money themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:25 AM
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189 lbs
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:21 AM
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You don't really need a scale if you know your height and can measure around your waist. I know my weight, but also know my waist to height ratio is 0.46.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:14 AM
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So if the young people think you're wrong and the old people think you're wrong, what does that say about your advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:11 AM
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I don't know if I count as young, I'm 35, and I feel uniquely positioned on this sub to say: yeah, it is different now. For all the people who are married and older and haven't asked someone out on a first date in 15+ years and think you have all this wisdom, yeah, your advice worked for me 15 years ago. And it doesn't work now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 01:56 AM
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Somewhere around average to fit, depending on if he's sucking in his gut in the picture. If he is, he's average, if that's him relaxed, he's fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:50 PM
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Men can have belly fat like that at body fat percentages in the upper teens. Not much, but certainly not visible abs. Women can start losing their periods below about 20% body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:35 AM
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New rule: if a man's bodyfat percentage is low enough that a woman at that same percentage would be at risk of losing her period, we can't say he has a dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:52 AM
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College campuses are a biased sample, and they still have more fat women than fat men. I guess being in my 30s I consider mid 20s to still be young, but know women who put on 50 lbs between 20 and 25. How many of those roided up gym guys are dating women under 23? I think a significant number of roided up gym guys somehow find a larger % or types of women attractive. How would that work if you only see them dating the two types? If you saw them dating all different types of women that would make…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:30 AM
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Yeah, it's almost like being attractive to women is about more than just things you can control like muscles... Like, what sort of answer are you expecting? "I know black pill content is banned on this sub I mod, but can anyone explain this phenomenon that fits with black pill narrative but has no real alternative explanation?" Especially when young, there are way more slim girls than fat ones. You might need to touch grass more, that has not been my experience at all with Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:49 PM
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There are a lot of fat chicks out there, and a lot of fit women who are not interested in any realistic options. You see buff gym guys with fat chicks for the same reason you see skinny nerdy guys with fat chicks for the same reason you see fit, soccer-player style men with fat chicks. Regardless of body type, men generally want women with similar hobbies and lifestyles to themselves. But there aren't enough of those women to go around, and there are a lot of fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:37 PM
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Can't say the name or it's witch hunting. But I'd challenge the user to have any opinion or take other than: "if a man is unsuccessful in dating, it must be because he is a morally bad person."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:52 AM
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You're making my point. There's a bunch of very good arguments about why we cannot just force women into relationships so everyone has a partner. That's very different than claiming men should or even can be ok without having a partner, or that this won't have negative consequences for society at large. You're arguing that climate change isn't a problem because you don't want to give up hamburgers and air travel. A problem can exist even if the most basic and crude solution is untenable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:30 AM
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It's about young men wanting a loving, supportive partner and a family. The trouble is you cannot "therapy" those desires away unless you make the therapy something evil, since those are normal, healthy desires for men to have. You cannot "male spaces" those desires away because finding male friends really isn't that difficult for single men (it can be tough for married men because of how many women are overbearing in relationships, but that's a separate problem). In a sense, male loneliness is …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:19 PM
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You replied to the gist of “asking questions isn’t good conversation.” I certainly said it wasn't the best, especially if those questions are just icebreakers and not follow-ups based on what someone else said. But I went one step further of what better conversation should look like, and how if only one side is doing that better method, it will seem like that person is dominating the conversation. Your example is of someone not asking questions, but also not engaging in the manner I went into in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:48 PM
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You keep posting as if you disagree with me, without saying anything that disagrees with what I actually said. So again, if you disagree, why lie about what you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:08 PM
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So... Men shouldn’t be expected to ask questions I was very clear in my first comment, people will ask some icebreaker-type questions on a first date, but ideally you should move to more natural conversation flow. If only one person is doing that and the other is just queuing up more icebreaker questions, the person with the more natural conversation flow will end up doing most of the talking. You keep posting as if you disagree with me, without saying anything that disagrees with what I actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:34 PM
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Funny how you have to avoid quoting me to show where I said something...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:59 PM
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I think this is less of a redpill issue and more of a men's rights issue, and even then the idea of making abortion illegal or that pregnancy should be a punishment is mostly a strawman. There are pro-life people, but they are just as, if not more, likely to be blue pill boomer women as red pill men. What the men's rights people recognized is that men and women have very different rights/recourse in cases of unexpected pregnancy. Women have choice, men have none. They would like that to be close…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:42 PM
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Where did I say men should ask zero questions? Do you ever wonder if you're on the wrong side of a debate when the only way you can argue your side is by intentionally misrepresenting the other side? Like, if you're right, why would you need to lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:41 PM
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Cool, so you have an example of someone also talking a lot, but not in the same manner that I posted about. How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:28 PM
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You can’t talk “about something they have in common” until you’ve done the work to figure out what you have in common! Yeah, that's why you need to give more than just surface level answers to questions. If one person is going in depth to serve up possibilities to find connection while the other is just going surface level then asking another icebreaker, the first person will do way more talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:26 PM
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In my experience the reports only work if you also post about it in the daily thread, since the ones making the insults are usually mods themselves or on the mods' list of special users who never face any consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:21 AM
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Exactly, it's like an alcoholic telling people that we make alcohol advertising too prominent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:12 AM
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It's amazing how the guy with the least charisma on a 5 person show about Starcraft 2 managed to keep any sort of celebrity, even if it is just internet celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:05 AM
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It's kind of a running joke that men just talk about themselves on dates and don't ask any questions. I've experienced this. That's because men have real social skills and are trying to build a social connection, not conduct a job interview. Think about, when you're hanging out with one of your friends and conversation flows naturally, how much of it is because one of you is asking the other direct questions? Almost none of it, right? People will talk about themselves, or something they learned,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:00 AM
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Imagine thinking you need "evidence" to claim that a pregnant woman knows the baby she is pregnant with is hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:42 AM
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So men are not more responsible than women because in some cases men argue that we should not hold men responsible in situations that we also don't hold women responsible? Some of your list is situations that women cannot find themselves in regarding paternity fraud, some are situations where men do in fact take responsibility but men think there should also be responsibility on the women's side, and some are just flat out lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 06:56 PM
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Self-improvement is fool's gold for men looking to gain success in dating. As a man, you will increase your standards faster than you increase your options, because most men want partners with similar values and behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:52 AM
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The distinction matters in terms of what percentage of people do you consider attractive enough to read the bio on. If person A reads the bios of 50% of people and person B only reads the bios of 5% of people, I think it's fair to say A cares more about personality and B cares more about looks, even if neither of them read the bios of people they find unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:49 AM
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Is that supposed to be evidence of male privilege? The poor commit more violent crime than the rich, are we supposed to believe we live in a society controlled by the poor that keeps down the rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:41 AM
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If you're comparing two groups talking about the relative differences between the groups is not "whataboutism". You're smart enough to know that, so why pretend otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:37 AM
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That's my point. The extent to which a woman needs to be naturally curvy to be considered attractive is pretty minimal. The men who claim women need an hourglass figure to be considered "conventionally attractive" will also claim all these celebrities with rectangular figures have hourglass figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:29 AM
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But these self-assessed options are no longer heavily influenced by reality. This is why you get a minority but still sizable portion of women unwilling to date anyone in their expanded social circles. She wants the average of the guys that she interacts with, but if most of those guys are on TV shows, movies, or social media influencers, nobody in her actual life can hit that average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:59 AM
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Yes, our legal system is biased to record incidents by men against women more often than by women against men. Some of that is reasonable due to differences in level of force, but some of it is just sexism. But the simple fact is that more women than men are physically abusive towards their partners. The women don't hit as hard as the men who hit, but they hit harder than the equivalent men who don't hit at all. It is important to actually read and understand your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:42 AM
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Remember when I said: Because your whole post is arguing that behaviors are not misandrist because they are legal. I agree with you about what is legal and what is not, but that doesn't mean the behaviors and social structures are not misandrist. Apply this again to your whole post. That's the whole point of the OP here: the combination of laws and social norms make marriage idiotic for higher earning spouses, and I'll go further and say these norms and biases are especially unbalanced against h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:37 AM
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I guess against it. I only have one friend who's had any new dating success since covid, it would suck if his GF was forbidden from marrying anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:25 PM
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Because some things are possible to test for / protect against, and some things aren't. We don't ask women to blindly trust that their husband will leave them with no income after years of marriage as a stay at home parent, we make laws such that he cannot do that without alimony / child support. In cases where we cannot prevent men from doing bad things, we make laws such that he would face prison sentences if he did them. Paternity testing isn't some impossible thing, and would cost far less t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:05 PM
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Supporting misogynistic legal structures is misogynistic, supporting misandrist legal structures is misandrist. You've only argued that your positions aren't misandrist because they're legal. Did you choose not to read this line, or did you fail to understand it? Because your whole post is arguing that behaviors are not misandrist because they are legal. I agree with you about what is legal and what is not, but that doesn't mean the behaviors and social structures are not misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:16 PM
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Among violent relationships, nearly half (49.7%) were characterized as reciprocally violent. Women reported a significantly greater proportion of violent relationships that were reciprocal versus nonreciprocal than did men (women=51.5%; men=46.9%; P<.03). Among relationships with nonreciprocal violence, women were reported to be the perpetrator in a majority of cases (70.7%), as reported by both women (67.7%) and men (74.9%). https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:12 PM
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You are presenting scenarios that are unrealistic because they would not and could not happen in the world. Yes, there is no situation in the real world where women are expected to trust men the same way men are expected to trust women. That's the point, and that illustrates the unconscious bias you continue to be unaware of. The amount of trust expected of men and the risk men undertake in marriage has no equivalence with anything women ever do. I gave you a hypothetical that was close and your…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 05:17 PM
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Why is it false equivalency? One side is expected to trust, the other is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:45 PM
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Nope. Most cases of domestic violence is mutual, but in cases where only one party is violent it is more likely to be the woman. We've just decided women being violent is ok, so it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:44 PM
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I wouldn't. That's why I don't understand women's position on paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:43 PM
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Once again you are assuming to know my position on paternity testing. You are even assuming to know my position on prenups. I can only go based on what you write. You are welcome at any time to say how there should be equal expectations of trust between partners. Instead, you've chosen to not say that but also say I'm wrong for assuming you don't believe in this thing you're unwilling to say. Calling me misandrist is a personal attack, just so you know. I guess I should have said how you act ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 05:25 AM
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I just love how misandrist the women on this sub are. Anytime you can get to the question of trust between partners it is misdirection, feign ignorance, that-comparison-isn't-100%-equivalent, any excuse that can come to mind about why men trusting women should be expected but women trusting men is moronic. That is the social norm at the heart of marriage: that men are women are not equal and should not be treated equally under the law. Since we cannot write laws to be too sexist, we need social …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 05:09 AM
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Where did I say "forbade", I just said he asked? Would you similarly find him moronic and without a functioning brain if he signs a birth certificate without knowing for sure if he is the father? Why do you think trust is expected in one case but moronic in another?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:43 AM
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Huh, that's strange that our legal system is totally fine holding people to some legal documents if they sign them without verifying but not others...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:44 AM
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If he said he wanted a prenup, but he didn't want you to look at what was in it, would you sign it? If not, why would you be fine marrying someone you don't feel like you can trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 02:21 AM
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The telling part is that demand from men is pushing for advancements until the female robots become almost indistinguishable from a real person. The demand from women for male robots ended when we could make a vibrating dick, because that's all women need in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 02:03 AM
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I have a feeling that it will soon shift as the women now get older, and are unable to lock down the partner they want. They might feel that, but being unable to lock down the partner they want doesn't mean they aren't able to lock down any partner who is available. If the only partner she would accept is imaginary, advice on meeting real men won't fix her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:27 PM
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Do they? I have no idea what the BMI is for any women I meet in real life. I can sort of guess how tall they are but I don't carry around a scale for them to stand on. The thing men actually care about regarding whether they're interested in dating a certain woman or not is probably more like waist to height ratio, which is a much better health metric. Waist circumference and height are both first order measurements, so they vary proportionally to each other, and there is some research out sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:20 AM
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I love how this sub basically only has two types of people: red pill men and people trying to convince fit men to date fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:01 AM
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That's sort of a catch-22: putting on 10 lbs of muscle is easy if you start with so little muscle that adding 10 lbs will still leave you looking skinny. Before steroids got so rampant in Hollywood and with influencers, this is what was considered an amazing athletic physique you could get after years in the gym. Now women call that a dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:47 AM
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Where did I say women should be forced to date men they don't find attractive? I just agreed with the start of this thread that in general, the physique men find attractive in women takes way less work than the physique women find attractive in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:40 AM
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BMI is a flawed metric. It measures weight per height squared, but since humans are three dimensional our weight actually varies proportional to our height cubed. The 5'4" 170 lb woman will look chubbier than a 5'9" 200 lb man because she's proportional to a 5'9" 213 lb man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:17 AM
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Anyone who says you can put on more than 5-6 lbs of muscle in a year, without some extra pharmaceutical help, betrays how little they know on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:11 PM
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And yet I see 10X as many couples with fit men and fat women as with fit women and fat men...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:10 PM
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at least enough of one to be considered attractive Important point. When men say hourglass figure, they're talking about something achievable for 99.9% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:09 PM
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I love how blackpill content is ok on this sub, but only if a woman says it as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:07 PM
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It has nothing to do with height and everything to do with weight. Women like the look of fit men, but don't want to be the heavier person in the couple. That means some 5'7" women can only date men 6'3" or taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:30 AM
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Nobody's genes make them fat. Said it on a different post: if this sub made a rule against arguing that fit men should date fat women we could get all the women banned within a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:26 AM
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... because of how women treat them. So it's most women who view normal guys as undesirable and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:43 AM
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Why do you think normal looking guys are undesirable and unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:31 AM
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And I know most of my friends through a rec sports league I'm in, I know how much they work out, and how athletic they are, and that they don't really have visible abs. But sure, I guess some men having good genetics means fuck all the guys who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:30 AM
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I disagree, I think both can work if you put effort into it. I think it's more luck than effort, and it cannot work for all of them. It's a numbers game: the apps can't work for all men because there are way more men than women on them. Even if all the men make great profiles, you'll run out of women before you run out of men. Same thing for meeting in person. This is what you ignored in my previous posts, that in-person social groups across basically all different categories are male dominated.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:24 AM
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I think that PhD is a great comparison, they take roughly the same amount of work. I don't have visible abs but I've spent more time and effort on my physique than on my masters degree. Sorry to be the one to break it to you that your guy friends lied to you about how much work they put into their physiques. They just know women tend to get the ick when they learn positive qualities in men take work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:52 AM
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The match for fat women is fat men, not fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:31 AM
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I've known multiple men with PhDs. Doesn't mean it doesn't take work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:30 AM
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The percentage of women who don't have an hourglass figure, at least enough of one to be considered attractive, is vanishingly small among women at a healthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:28 AM
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If you have visible abs and some arm definition, you're good. This is akin to saying you don't need much money, just be a millionaire and you're fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:17 AM
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Yeah, I think that's a negligibly small proportion of men. Like, these men aren't hoping women's cats get sick, they aren't resentful if these women have a good time at a Taylor Swift concert. It's just about dating. Angry and bitter women claiming men are not well-adjusted because those men have a dating preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:11 AM
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Yes, women do think that men dating their match is male hypergamy. I swear, if this sub made a rule against arguing that fit men should date fat women we could get all the women banned within a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:35 AM
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I believe I addressed all 3 of those points. I would love to see where. From what I see you've disagreed with those points, but have not presented any real argument why you disagree. For the rest of it, you're basically arguing that a certain strategy is effective, despite someone following that strategy not having success, because other people who don't have success don't follow the strategy. So like if I told you cutting off your dick cures cancer, because most people who die of cancer haven't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:33 AM
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It depends on what you mean by "holding on to grudges". I think well-adjusted men will learn from how women treated them and adjust their behavior and expectations of women. I think angry and bitter women will label that behavior a grudge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:24 AM
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So you're just going to ignore my point to say something misandrist, cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:20 AM
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His plight is being rejected for things he cannot control. Someone rejected for things she can control does not and cannot understand his plight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:51 PM
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Forgiving and forgetting are two very different things. Women tend to hate men who can forgive but don't forget because it means there are still consequences for her actions. Modern feminism is the belief that women are too stupid and powerless to face any consequences for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:47 PM
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I understand life can get busy but if you're going to respond for a second time without addressing or acknowledging anything I stated in my post, I'm not sure what we're doing here. My point is that yes, apps weren't around, but he also was likely 10x more socially active than you. Except if you read my post, there isn't enough time in the day for that. My grandfather was not out socializing with women 13 hours a day every day, which is what he would need to be 10X what I am. I guess the real po…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:36 PM
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A woman by definition takes on greater risk when she pairs up with a man, biologically, due to pregnancy and reproductive health. And men take on far more financial risk because they have zero decision making power. A woman must also exert caution with new dating prospects in a way that men don’t generally have to think about. Again, not really. While the violence might come from other men rather than women, men are just as much at risk of violence when seeking to date. Maybe more so because mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:10 PM
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But there are other aspects of dating that women have it more difficult than men. I haven't heard any good argument for this. Women's biggest problems in dating are quality, while men's biggest problems are quantity, but that doesn't mean the quality for men is any better than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:55 AM
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I think using "women" in place of "most women" is much more reasonable than using "some women" in place of "most women".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:02 AM
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Well your source of "trust me bro" is very enlightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:36 AM
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That sort of answers your question though: the men who choose end up not really dating anyone until they stop choosing and just hit on anyone in their vicinity. If you brought together 100 single men and 100 single women and then asked them how many people did they choose to flirt with, the average number for the men would be like 10X higher than the average for the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:49 PM
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This is a good summation of modern feminism: You have to think of women as stupid because otherwise you would likely think of them as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:42 PM
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The gap is somewhat lessening, but still have 55% of households with the man earning >60% of the combined household income. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:38 PM
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Plenty of couples both work, but a majority of households still have the man making more than 50% more than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 05:59 PM
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That's how male hormones work. So many guys act like they're drug addicts or something because male hormones act like a chemical addiction to them. I'm about as close as you're going to find to someone "waiting for the right woman". I dated in high school and college, would've married my girlfriend of 4+ years from college if we could find work / grad school in the same city. I've dated but not to the point of being boyfriend/girlfriend in the 10 years since that relationship ended. If there was…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:27 AM
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For myself, I would rather be the safe choice. But I've seen how women treat men. You talk about the higher highs and lower lows with the risky choice, that's not how men experience it. The lowest low is fighting with your partner about why any old average person on the street treats me with more respect than she does. Why is it my friends, family, coworkers, and new people I just met treat me like a capable adult but in her mind I can't do anything right? Men on here love to tell women to "choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:58 AM
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The point the OP was making was that as women earn more, more of them should be bread winners. That wasn't the point of the OP. It wasn't looking at the extremes, it was looking at the bulk of the population. It is way more relevant to the OP that the median income gap between a husband and wife is still greater than the median income gap between men and women. You're arguing that because you said something true, that was close but not ultimately relevant, the more relevant data doesn't matter. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:48 AM
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What about the math is wrong? The parts I addressed in my comment, which you obviously didn't read since you don't address any of it. So from what you posted, among the 18-29 group we have 43% overall and 50% of women in relationships being friends first. Well, if there were an even number of men and women in relationships in that group, that would mean the friends first rate for men was only 36%, to get the average to 43%. But, we know from other data that being in a relationship is more common…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:20 AM
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Ah, ok. I assumed you were making a point relevant to the OP in line with the rules of this sub, and not just stating some related but not relevant fact. I brought up the wage gap because it is in the very first sentence of the OP, and is the focus of the OP. I suggest you take a closer look at the sub's rules regarding top level comments to "debate" tagged posts, since you seem to have broken them in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:38 AM
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Yes, you made a claim based more on your own biases and assumptions than based on the data. My claim was: as women earn more, there are more women breadwinners. If that were true, the rate of women breadwinners would be highest in the youngest age group. It isn't. It's highest in the 55-64 age range where some people are retired and some are not. Maybe this is due to age gaps in the relationships, maybe due to age constraints being higher in male-dominated jobs, but I would say it's very likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:46 PM
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"Today's young adults, especially young women, are increasingly finding romance in their friend groups. In our survey, 43% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 said they were in a relationship with someone who was first a friend, including an astonishing 50% of women in that cohort." I love today's version of blue-pill-can't-do-math! So if it's 50% of young women, but only 43% of young people, how low does the rate need to be for young men to bring that average down to 43%? The other issue he…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:28 PM
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You should move to that world where biology works differently. I'd love to move there with you, but it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:12 PM
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"About" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence about couples earning "about" the same. I doubt many women would claim their husbands do "about the same" amount of household chores if the wife did 50% more than the husband. Also of note, those cases of female breadwinners aren't being led by young couples with more egalitarian customs: Among wives overall, Black women, those with a four-year college degree, those ages 55 to 64 and those with no children are among the most likely to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:10 PM
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I want to live in a world where you don't pretend to not understand things just to be combative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:51 PM
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Yes, that's how male hormones work. We cannot choose this anymore than women can choose whether or not to have period cramps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:59 PM
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It doesn't help that a lot of men for some reason don't focus on the emotional aspect that they are missing. They don't say "I wish I mattered to someone" or " I want to be in a loving relationship". This says more about the behavior they see from men and women in relationships, they don't believe they can find those things from a woman. When men talk about those things, they're usually talking about a potential relationship with their children. There's a lot of talk about the need for better ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:41 AM
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In my experience it only works if the man dates a different woman after they become friends who is more traditionally attractive than the woman friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:34 AM
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Women already understand. A key part of modern feminism is pretending women are stupid so we don't view them as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:28 PM
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No, but that's sort of what I mean. Looking it up I wouldn't have believed she weighed the same as me despite being 7 inches shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:45 PM
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While it's inspiring to see weight loss progress pics, the side effect is I realize just how much I underestimate how obese some women are. Like I know we joke about 19-21 BMI on here, but I've realized my own impression of "healthy" is really anything below 30 BMI. Guess I've fallen for the fat acceptance propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:29 PM
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Claiming women in general like men who bully others isn't exactly refuting the allegations...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:21 PM
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That's mostly my experience too, which is why I think those "my nerd and me" or whatever the latest name for saying the woman dated down are most often wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:37 PM
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if a couple is going to be mismatched in looks, its more likely The woman will be more physically attractive. That's not how averages work, again unless the people not in couples are extremely attractive men and extremely unattractive women. When you think 80% of men are below average and only 50% of women are, you're going to get a lot of couples with "below average" men and above average women, because there aren't enough above average men to go around. What I’m saying is that the majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:26 PM
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The argument is that couples being looksmatched only works if you think women are on average more attractive than men. If there were so many couples with above average women and below average men, that must mean that on average the men who cannot find partners are way more attractive than the women who cannot find partners. Instead, people argue the opposite: that single women in their mid to late 30s are attractive and successful and above average, while the men still single at that age are way…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:16 PM
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Having sons and putting in the work to actually raise sons are very different things. It's a pretty safe bet that none of the women who post here regularly will raise sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:29 PM
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Based on my friend group, when it comes to meeting people after covid there are a couple things you need: Have hobbies that bring you into contact with a bunch of new people Be super extroverted, probably in the top 2-3% of people in terms of extroversion Be willing to overlook women with a history of domestic violence, where previous partners had to get a restraining order due to physical violence If you have these three things, you can find a partner!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:23 AM
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Yes, this is the advice that is effectively "fuck you, shut up". It is based on two main assumptions: the only thing wrong with being lonely is that it makes people feel bad people can choose whether or not to feel bad about being alone Neither of those assumptions are backed up with any sort of argument, and I do not see any reason why they should be taken at face value. I disagree with these assumptions, and throughout this comment section you have done absolutely nothing to back up why those …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:10 AM
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Why hasn’t being miserable when alone actually helped these guys get girlfriends? For the same reason being increasingly frail and weak hasn't helped my grandmother cure her cancer: having a symptom of a disease is not the cure for the disease. You've effectively found a piece of advice that boils down to "fuck you, shut up" and have convinced yourself that it is profound. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:58 AM
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Women don't shoot up schools for the same reason billionaires don't: they have the state willing to engage in violence on their behalf. Why would women commit violence themselves which would result in their own death or imprisonment when they can just lie about being sexually assaulted and have power over another with zero repercussions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:09 AM
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Probably not gay since I don't know many male gay people (hobbies tend more towards lesbian friends), and wouldn't assume any better romantic success if I were gay. I would 100% take a pill to become asexual/aromantic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:41 AM
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If you think those looks, especially the one on the right, aren't "huge muscles", you need to spend way less time on social media. It would take less work, in terms of time and effort, to get a PhD than to get that level of muscle growth. Also, need to make sure the man has the hair of a 15 year old. Great example of how even women's "reasonable" standards are just going for the top 5% of men instead of the top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:35 AM
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I think the problem with this advice is that it treats self confidence as a singular thing, when it is better expressed as two different characteristics. I'll call them self confidence and self assuredness, I don't know if those terms are correct, but it lets us differentiate them. Self confidence will be the degree to which someone believes they will achieve external success: "I will win this game" "I will get this job" "if I ask out this woman she will say yes" Self assuredness, by contrast, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:30 AM
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Peak British attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:15 PM
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Why do you think women don't view the love and companionship of a relationship as a value-add?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:03 PM
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If your reading comprehension is such that you think this is an honest assessment of what I wrote, and a reasonable rebuttal to it, I cannot help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:39 AM
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22 years as an adult? Or are you just counting since birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:38 AM
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That's the problem, you are not looking for the one, for your soulmate. Where did you get that from? That's like saying people are just looking for a job instead of a career because employers use AI to check resumes for certain keywords and post fake job openings to gather data from applicants. Men can only control one half of the equation, you seem to be blaming me for my description of the half I cannot control. You just want to have a relationship, any relationship, just for the sake of not b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:46 PM
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You've made some excellent points on why women ought to behave differently, but zero criticism of the behaviors I've been doing. I'm just telling you that a guy following your advice might very well never find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:33 PM
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It's so heartless if it's like a job for you. Yes, women have made dating very heartless. It doesn't sound like you are looking for genuine emotional connection, just for a list for requirements similar to a job How do you figure that? My comment was based on what I'm finding and how women act, not what I'm looking for. It's all well and good to say hypothetically men should have high standards and look for emotional connection, but the result is you get someone like me who has been single for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:15 PM
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People, both men and women, do this at shitty jobs with shitty employers. What does that say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:18 PM
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It's like applying for jobs. For most people, it's fine, they have a job. They got it a while ago, maybe through their contact network when graduating from college, or knew the right person to introduce them years ago. Some people seem to hop around pretty frequently, but each job they have seems sort of sketchy. Finding one was probably easier for Boomers back in the day. But if you're not one of the few highly sought after individuals, the prospect of looking for a job probably fills you with …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:41 AM
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Which ones exactly? Maybe you don't understand the sort of edgy leftist makes up most of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:22 AM
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He's only alt-right if you think r/politics and r/antiwork are alt-right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:42 AM
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The core belief of modern feminism is that women have zero agency and should not be held responsible for any decision they make, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:26 AM
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The baseline from which they start is that kids’ best interests involve spending lots of time with both parents, unless there is a compelling reason to prevent it. Yeah, the compelling reason is most families cannot afford food and healthcare if they need to pay for a second primary residence that has enough room for the kids. It's different for the like 5% of households in this situation where the mother is the primary breadwinner, and in households rich enough to be in the top 5-10% of income …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:25 AM
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Yes, for the rare cases where a family has a mother as the sole provider and a stay at home father the roles would be switched. The issue is that while the family in total needs to take a lifestyle downgrade, most families only have so far down to go. Easier on the kids if that downgrade is the cost of a studio apartment or renting a room with housemates, and if that means no overnight stays with one of the parents... well our legal system says it favors helping the kids, not the parents. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:51 AM
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Sorry, the blue pillers won't accept any comments on real life unless you can link an example from somewhere online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:11 PM
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And the father can get 50/50 custody if he asks for it. Most don’t though, which should tell you something about how divorced dads view parenthood. Not really. For all but the richest couples divorce has a massively negative financial aspect: the family in total now needs two primary residences instead of just one. If custody is split 50-50, both those residences need space for the kids. While some families can survive on a single income with a stay at home parent, almost none can do so while pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:05 PM
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I can't give a good answer, I've never met a woman who had game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:34 PM
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Overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:47 PM
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Creative writing exercise. The only real part is that in general men don't want women bigger than them and women don't want men smaller than them. I think that's why so many on here think women have strong height preferences: those preferences are stronger among chubby women who want a partner who is both fit and heavier than them. But 5'9" and 160 is rather thin for almost all types of body composition in women, this is poorly researched creative writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:15 AM
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That sounds like an excellent answer to that particular post, but does not mean the person who asked it think being unattracted to someone is the same as hating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 10:28 PM
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Yes, more feminine looking lesbians aren't adhering to male beauty standards, it's just that many lesbians prefer feminine looking women. And even those feminine looking lesbians are way more accepting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:31 PM
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I'd assume it's more about the second half of the question, that lesbians tend not to adhere to male beauty standards. That said, in my experience lesbians are on average way nicer and more accepting of men than straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:07 PM
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I'm just counting the time doing the transfer and folding, not the time watching football or whatever while they run.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:16 AM
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Around 1 hr / week on laundry, maybe 5 hrs total / week on cooking and dishes, 3 hrs /week on other cleaning, and 1-2 hrs / week on yard work in the warmer months.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:29 AM
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I believe that women uphold toxic masculinity (ie rigid expectations of masculinity) as much as men do. It's not even close to the same, 80% or more of toxic masculinity is enforced by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:23 AM
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Men improving themselves will change their situation personally but not as a group. Even then, self improvement for men can often just increase your standards faster than it increases your options. If a guy goes on a self improvement kick and starts eating healthy and working out regularly, he's most likely going to want a partner who shares those behaviors. Problem is there just aren't as many women with those behaviors as men with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:59 AM
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It's easier for a woman to get sex than for a woman to get a relationship, but it's also easier for a woman to get a relationship than for a man to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:09 AM
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When did I say women are bad for not wanting casual sex? My point is that taking 2 seconds every so often to dismiss one of these messages is a very small price to pay for finding a partner to spend your life with. Women get accosted for sex everywhere, if anything dating apps give them the best recourse for rejecting those requests. It's not like women are all refusing to go out to nightclubs, where the requests are just as frequent but the rejection is more difficult. What is a much better exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:57 PM
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So it's annoying, but other intrusive ads aren't? Or it's gross despite just being a text?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:32 PM
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Misogyny is thinking women are so weak that a text message you can delete in 2 seconds is too much for them to handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:21 PM
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They both can be dismissed with a single click/swipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:06 PM
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get accosted for casual sex, get disgusted, and leave If the problem was spam then every woman would've deleted Instagram off her phone years ago for all the ads it throws at her. The problem with the apps for women is that they allow her to be rejected. Whether that's swiping and not matching, sending a like and not getting a response, or hooking up with a guy and getting ghosted, she cannot just sit passively with plausible deniability. That's how you get 3-4 men for every woman on the apps, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:22 PM
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Go find any mixed social group of adults in their 20s and 30s. Within that group, 90% of the men would be open to dating 90% of the women. For women, finding a partner requires you to not be in the bottom 10% least attractive among your peers, and to have standards that aren't so strict only the top 10% of guys in your peer group can match them. For men, it's the opposite. Either be ok dating a bottom 10% woman, or be in the top 10% yourself. This is why dating apps have become so popular with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:58 PM
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Did you take the SAT or ACT? If so, just use your percentile from that. They certainly aren't perfect IQ tests, but it's the closest most people get. Now, if you have real special needs like dyslexia and don't get accommodations, or game the system like rich people and don't have those needs but get them anyways, then it won't really be accurate. But if you're sort of average middle class public school educated and take those tests your percentile in those results will pretty much equal your IQ …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:30 AM
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There are so many memes on here about women only going for 20% of men, but we ignore that men have preferences like "I hope she doesn't think I'm an evil monster" that disqualify 80% of women. So which gender is really the picky one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 03:46 AM
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The men here hate women like trans people hate republicans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 05:39 AM
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I can only respond to what I see, and I see much more anger and personal attacks from women on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:42 PM
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Maybe don't use the clown emoji then, it sure seems like a personal attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:23 PM
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You think calling someone a clown isn't a personal attack so long as you do it short hand with an emoji?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:16 PM
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Again, there is no link to any study in the original link you posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:48 PM
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Lol, it definitely is not. It's a random ass "news" agglomeration site for the Cleveland area. clevelandclinic.org is the web address for the medical facility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:43 PM
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There is no link to any Cleveland Clinic study or survey in the first link you posted. Nor is there any comment on only 13% of men being fit in this new link you've posted. Again, 100% on brand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:15 PM
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Yes, I agree many men tend to downplay the extent to which women value facial harmony, since it's not something men can change or improve and those men would prefer to not start down a blackpill path.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:12 PM
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I said you were unwilling to state these things plainly because you know they are unpopular. I guess I do have my confirmation when I reply with what you said, which was not stating these things plainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:10 PM
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So you posted a link to random ass website with no link to the survey or study that produced the number and no information on how that number was determined or what "in shape" means in this context. That's my favorite thing about you lift, every comment you make is consistent and 100% on brand for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:08 PM
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Answer. My. Questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:24 PM
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You did not, and I've linked to where you said you intentionally were not going to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:25 AM
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On the other hand, being fit or overweight is one of the only aspects of how a person looks that can tell you about their behaviors and values. Personally, I don't like women who wear heavy makeup or are overly tan or have obvious plastic surgery because I don't like spending my own time and money on changing the way I look. I wouldn't want to date someone who travels internationally every couple months because I don't have that lifestyle, I prefer to spend more time with friends and family who …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:24 AM
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Answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:30 AM
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You're not, and I've linked to where you said you aren't going to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:26 AM
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Answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:24 AM
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Yes, this is the argument trying to rationalize why fat women only wanting fit men is fine but fit men not wanting fat women is those men being too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:11 AM
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No, you're not. And you've shown why you won't answer directly, you don't want to be quoted or shown as having those beliefs. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1gp0p8g/men_who_continue_to_raise_the_kid_after_realizing/lx0tl43/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:09 AM
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No, it doesn't. Like prioritizing the child's well-being by having them live with someone for whom they are a constant reminder of years of lying and cheating by a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:47 PM
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Answer my questions, with all the added context you like, then I'll answer yours. Only fair since I asked first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:45 PM
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I've answered in every comment. Now answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:11 PM
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I think 80% of the posts/comments on looks boil down to fit men not wanting to date fat women, and women claiming there's some inherent superiority in women's looks that mean fit men should be fine dating fat women because the pair would then be "matched".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:28 PM
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Not wanting to vote for people who hate you is a fine conviction to hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:20 PM
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You said kids come first, then refused to clarify which situations that applied to. So I take you at your word, kids come first, sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:18 PM
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No, I think it's a silly concept used to shame men in cases of paternity fraud. Mostly wanted to show how a certain very active user here would never respond to this question, despite claiming to believe that children always come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:17 PM
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If your point only makes sense without context, it's not a very good point. Notice how every time you ask I answer, but since I provide the context you won't accept the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:35 PM
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When talking about paternity fraud, you said the kids come first. Any other situation is "my crap", so I guess the kids don't come first there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:29 PM
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Yeah, the pro life movement is probably better named the anti-murder movement. They seem to be the only side upset at the doctors who effectively murdered their patients.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:28 PM
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When talking about paternity fraud, you said the kids come first. When asked whether the kids come first in other cases, you said "go ahead and show them where I said that". https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1gp0p8g/men_who_continue_to_raise_the_kid_after_realizing/lx0tl43/ Every comment is more evidence of the narrow limits you place on where the kids come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:27 PM
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You said that any question about whether kids came first that didn't center around paternity fraud was whataboutism and changing the topic. So I assumed your claim did not apply to those cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:18 PM
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I ask if you agree with something, you refuse to answer, pretty strong evidence you don't agree. You could prove me wrong with one comment, yet are unwilling to do so, pretty strong evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:10 PM
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Always have been. We have plenty of laws already on the books about medical malpractice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:07 PM
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Q4A: It is wrong for people to be held in prison when they are accused or convicted of violent crimes if they have children? I've been told by a user on this sub that the priority is the child, so does that apply in all cases? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/shooting-that-wounded-broncos-josh-reynolds-was-coordinated-attack-with-30-rounds-fired-into-suv-da-says/ar-AA1uiUg1?ocid=BingNewsSerp
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:06 PM
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Again, evidence vs proof. Is it too hard for you to understand, or are you just pretending you don't understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:02 PM
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Truth isn’t a debate. Correct. You've said something true that has no impact on whether the thing I said is true. I 100% believe you when you say you believe kids come first in cases of paternity fraud. What I've said is that you do not put kids above women in other situations, to which you have said nothing meaningful in retort. You failing to read what I wrote, be it through unwillingness or inability, does not make me a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:54 PM
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It's telling you cannot make a coherent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:47 PM
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That's not at all how our courts work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:46 PM
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Maybe these doctors should stop acting like uneducated, violent members of a hate group willing to let people die to further their pet political causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:36 PM
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If I haven't donated my kidney yet, my bodily autonomy is not lost yet. The equivalent here would be saying women are free to have abortions so long as they aren't pregnant, which is obviously useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:04 PM
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Intentionally misunderstanding is not a good look.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:02 PM
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The problem is the right sees these doctors the same way most people see violent incels. It doesn't draw anyone to their side, just makes them believe the other side is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:01 PM
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Criticizing a law for something the law doesn't actually state, but rather something that only exists in an extreme interpretation of the law, is normally reserved for the most wacko red-scare right wingers. I guess chalk this up to a win for the horseshoe theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:11 AM
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You ignored the hypothetical by the way: The government cannot make me donate a kidney to a child in need, but if that child's mother drugs me and has a morally questionable surgeon take out my kidney and give it to the child, I cannot just walk up to the child on the street and shoot him to get my kidney back. In your view, could I murder the child in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:08 AM
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You can’t even take and use the organs of dead people without consent. Only live women are public property. You cannot make a woman pregnant without consent either. That's the equivalent to all other types of bodily autonomy: it is illegal to take it (having sex with a woman against her will), but once taken there is no recourse to regain it. People don't even legally have the right to take their own life, why would they have the right to take someone else's? The only consistent argument is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:07 AM
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If I’m hooked up to your internal organs, you can disconnect me whenever you like. Can I? Probably not if I'm the one that hooked us up. And while we have laws preventing people from being forced organ donors, we don't necessarily have recourse for someone if they are forced against their will. The government cannot make me donate a kidney to a child in need, but if that child's mother drugs me and has a morally questionable surgeon take out my kidney and give it to the child, I cannot just walk…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:40 AM
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Yes, bad doctors do often mean death for their patients. Especially bad if these doctors are letting women die to try and prove a political point. Funny how you have stories of women dying but no stories of doctors being thrown in prison, so the bad behavior from the pro-life side is only theoretical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:23 AM
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Every single disease also carries a risk of death, can I shoot you if I see you coughing near me? We should train certain members of the population to be very knowledgeable about pregnancies so they can tell when they're going wrong and have a high enough risk of death that something needs to be done. Oh wait, we do, they're called doctors. I swear the pro-life side hires bots to make absolutely silly bad faith arguments just to make their side look better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:13 AM
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Abortion in order to save the life of the mother is legal in all 50 states. This argument is in as bad faith as claiming anyone voting Democrats should be expected to starve to death under a USSR-style famine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:03 AM
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Proof and evidence are not the same thing. I have plenty of evidence, and no evidence against. You could provide evidence against but continue to choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:00 AM
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But my claim is that you don't believe something. It's like if I claim there's no such thing as Bigfoot, most of my evidence is going to be the lack of any credible sign of Bigfoot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 08:27 PM
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Proof and evidence are not the same thing. There's evidence with every comment, and zero evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:55 PM
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Show me where I said you said it. I said you believe this, which I can tell both by what you say and what you don't say. Every comment shows what you don't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:29 PM
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Yet another comment where you don't actually deny it. How many days have you spent claiming you would say something but refusing to actually say the thing? If children always come first, but any example that isn't paternity fraud is changing the subject, then "always" means "only in cases of paternity fraud". Every comment of yours makes that perfectly clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:19 PM
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It's incredibly easy to comprehend. You think children comes before men when it comes to paternity fraud, but they do not come before women in other situations. Every comment of yours makes that perfectly clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:11 PM
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You know how people say it's hard to be funny in a foreign language, even if you know that language well enough to speak it normally? It's kind of like that. Certain accounts will post sort of trolling comments, but it becomes very obvious based on how they troll that they do not match their flair gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:10 PM
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So it was an attack on people who ask why young men struggle? How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:03 PM
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First word in your post is "You're". Like if I say: "You're not being nearly as clever as you think you're being." I'm clearly talking about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:15 PM
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For all the obvious men larping as women on this sub, I'm glad we also have at least one woman larping as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:58 PM
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Of course there's the personal attack. Talk about deflecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:56 PM
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So you didn't look up what that word means and still don't understand it, nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:57 PM
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Exactly, you didn't say those things because you don't believe those things, even though they are all examples of putting the children first. Because you don't believe in putting the children first in general, only in cases of paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:14 AM
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And I want people to read and see you saying that women who are rape victims should count it as "a win" if that rape results in pregnancy. I want people to see that you believe there should be no penalty for killing a person by driving drunk, or really any other crime, if the perpetrator has kids. You know people wouldn't agree with these stances. You know that you yourself don't agree with these stances. But you want to pretend that "the kids' needs come first" isn't only used in cases of pater…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:13 AM
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my conclusion was that female mating choice tends to favor men higher in beta traits, even if this preference is slight. I think part of the problem when it comes to dating is that "preference" and "choice" don't always line up, since some attributes are much more quickly and easily determined. For example, as a man I would "prefer" that my eventual wife be a good and safe driver. Not overly aggressive on the road but not overly passive either, able to tell what's going on around her, not textin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:09 AM
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Why don't you look up what that term means. Because when you say something is always true, and someone brings up a specific scenario as a test case, that's not WhatAboutIsm. Unless of course the idea that children come first only matters in cases of paternity fraud, and not other cases. But you said I was gaslighting for claiming you think that...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:41 AM
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Yes, you have repeatedly said something that isn't an answer to the question. Why won't you answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:06 AM
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Point to where you answered
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:47 AM
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"The child should always take priority." "What about in this case." "I'm not answering that, stop deflecting." Sounds like the "always" really means only in cases of paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:26 AM
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Where are men using slut as an insult in 2024?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:24 AM
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I just see you not answering any questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:04 AM
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So if a drunk driver hit and killed your wife and kids, would you advocate for no prison time for that drunk driver if they also had a child who would no longer be able to see them as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:48 PM
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Nobody's arguing that men leaving is good, they're arguing it is understandable given the trauma of the lie and the cheating. Thus, the comparison to a traumatic experience for women. The difference is that, in general, women are not expected to deal with trauma for the sake of their children, and certainly not for the sake of children in general. Much less should they see this trauma as "a win" because it might lead to love from the child, otherwise we would view a woman being raped as a blessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:56 PM
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But you're the only one arguing over that point. I totally agree you think children come before men. But I don't think you believe children come before women, because you refuse to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:32 PM
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I keep saying you won't actually say the thing, you keep not actually saying the thing. Every comment you make proves me right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:26 PM
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When did I say you didn't say that? You said X, got asked if you support Y, then responded by saying Z. And continued to say Z every time you've been asked if you agree with Y. So I'm saying you don't actually agree with Y, and your only comeback is to ask for an example of you not saying Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:24 PM
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I swear a majority of "The Patriarchy" comes from people who view the patriarchy as a bad thing. https://np.reddit.com/r/WitchesVsPatriarchy/comments/1gqa31b/gomez_addams/ Common talk of needing better male role models, like Gomez Addams or Aragorn. But what behavior do these characters model? How do they deal with rejection? Loneliness? Attempting something outside their comfort zone and failing at it? How do they deal with being bullied, or just ignored? The behavior here is the same toxic mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:21 PM
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You got asked if you would say something, and in like 20 different comments have not said the thing. There's an easy way to end this, for you to say the thing. But you won't, so it's clear you don't actually agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:43 PM
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You've typed how many comments now claiming you would totally say X, without actually saying X? Why do you feel the need to lie like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:29 PM
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If you're willing to say the kid comes first in situation X but unwilling to say the kid comes first in situation Y, you cannot claim you're saying the kid comes first. The only thing you're exposing is yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:24 PM
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But you're also only saying "the kid comes before the man". When asked specifically whether "the kid comes first" is true for cases of the kid vs the woman, you respond by saying the kid comes before the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 10:34 PM
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You care, just not enough to actually say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 09:12 PM
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There's two scenarios, thus two kids. Yet you only care about one of the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:32 PM
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Right. Only advice to the man, never to the woman. You cannot bring yourself to actually type out the equivalent advice, because our society would view that advice to women is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:25 PM
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You didn't. And I know you didn't because you cannot point to where you answered the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:04 PM
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Then why can't you just state it plainly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:53 PM
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Where is the answer? Why won't you state it plainly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:45 PM
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That you refuse to answer the question speaks volumes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:31 AM
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I'd love to see the data there, what I could find had no data for the Dakotas or West Virginia. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 11:35 PM
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I guess that's why Utah is such a Democratic stronghold... The predictor isn't politics, it's racial demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 09:57 PM
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That's every group...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:00 AM
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I love the insinuation that men are unreasonable for wanting women close to their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 04:34 AM
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270 gets you a majority, if you have 270 the other side cannot get to 270.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:07 AM
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You think he wouldn't stop a coup? Do you think Biden has less integrity than Mike Pence?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:06 PM
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National guard, and state level leaders calling on active military stationed in their states. I'd imagine some of the generals would also see this as a coup, even if they don't exactly like Trump personally. Sort of like Mike Pence breaking from Trump in trying to reverse the 2020 election, you would see members of the Biden administration break away from Democratic state level leaders if they tried this end-around to subvert election results.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:04 PM
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The benefit is to not be labeled as too wrong or biased regardless of who wins. The pollsters don't want to be wrong like 2016 or like 2022, which they missed in either direction. Also, once some polls start doing this the others don't want to be labeled as biased for being too different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:01 PM
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I don't know if it's so much favoring republicans, more favoring being close to 50-50. The basic idea is that too many recent polls have come out from different sources and looking at different states while all being really close to 50-50, while we would expect some natural variation or even individual polls to skew one way or another. Think of it like if I asked you to flip a coin 100 times: the average result is 50-50, but getting exactly 50 heads and 50 tails is relatively uncommon. So if I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:00 PM
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Election prediction: get ready for turbulent times ahead. If you're a Harris supporter, the good news is I think she wins by a pretty considerable margin, maybe dropping 1 or 2 swing states but winning the rest and winning the popular vote something like 51%-46%. The bad news is the pollsters have all been too cowardly to post their real predictions, basically fudging their numbers to say it's 50-50. Trump and his camp will take an election result that is outside the polls margin of error as evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:38 PM
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It's not technically legal, it's theoretically legal since it hasn't been done yet and hasn't been ruled on. It's a coup and would be 100% viewed as a coup and there would be a military response befitting a coup to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:32 PM
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The question here would be if those Democratic dominated legislatures believe the military forces within their states are willing to fight and kill other Americans defending this operation. Because Republican states would 100% call this a coup and mobilize their military forces to stop it. Like, at its core, Jan 6th was a dog chasing cars, there's nothing to back up or sustain any decertification or whatever a couple hundred rioters could achieve in an afternoon. This plan by Democrats would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:20 PM
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Men: it would be nice if she wasn't well on her way to type 2 diabetes by the time she turns 30. PPD women: here's why you're a bad person...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:22 PM
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You really think defining a term as itself provides clarification?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:00 PM
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This definition? Incel: promotion of incel or black pill ideology e.g. saying black pill or incel is correct unwillingness to change or improve oneself or saying game is not important "as Chad/physically attractive men would not have to" or claiming that doing so is "cucked" or makes one a "dancing monkey" (blue pill challenging of game is allowed still e.g. saying that game is manipulating women or unethical) It defines incel as incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 05:44 AM
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MGTOW or WGTOW is giving up on dating, not that you can't have friends of a given gender, at least not in any case where I've seen them. Maybe you should meet with the other mods and be sure about what sort of content they label as "incel". Pretty sure I've seen such content removed, even without the explicit "I hate them" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 05:31 AM
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It's not personal, but it is rather hateful. "Sorry to offend you, you're one of the good ones, but I hate your kind." Somehow a sentiment that we view as inherently wrong when talking about any unchangeable trait, except men. We should really change the sub rules to clarify that incel rhetoric is fine so long as it's aimed at men...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:40 AM
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If that’s not your thing then don’t do it. It's fine to have standards and boundaries, but the extent to which a person, man or woman, will be upset at needing to enforce their standards and boundaries is based on how much time and effort it takes to get another opportunity. Let's say a woman wants a relationship, but doesn't want to jump to having sex right away. So she goes swiping on the apps every day, going out on weekends trying to meet people, engaging in her hobbies to meet people throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 09:13 PM
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People who experience more stress show more signs of aging, who could have guessed?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:25 PM
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You're so close to understanding. Women love to talk about how sex is not a need, but then in the same breath act upset that so many men independently act as if it is a need. I'm not a woman, I've never been a woman, I've never gone through the hormones women experience with pregnancy or with their periods. If I say, "women can always choose to not act on those emotions," I would be judged for my ignorance. I hope someday women achieve equality in this judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:20 PM
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Social skills are a net negative for men. Being able to accurately tell if a woman is or is not interested in you is a good way for most guys to end up perpetually single, they need to get it wrong every so often and think a woman is flirting when in reality she has zero thought as to whether she likes him in a romantic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:56 AM
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This is basically the equivalent of the mid woman who sleeps with a super attractive guy, and thinks if she bends over backwards she’ll get a commitment. I've been told over and over again on here that this behavior by men is bad and exploitive, and that even if I don't engage in it myself I'm complicit because I don't hold other men accountable for it. So why are you doing the same for the equivalent women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 08:07 PM
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Gaps in education are widening. Women outnumber men in college by a greater margin than men outnumbered women when Title IX was passed, and the margin is increasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:18 AM
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I have seen plenty of content removed for being black pill rhetoric that didn't say dating was impossible, just that people with certain genetic looks-based traits would have a harder time or not be able to have as high of standards. That's the disconnect I see, sometimes "fail" means "is more difficult or cannot have the same results", sometimes "fail" means "is utterly impossible in all circumstances".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 12:20 AM
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The mod team needs to do a much better job defining and being consistent with what it means to "fail" then. Facial structure (if not overweight) and being on the autism spectrum are both genetic, but for some reason the moderation team is way harder on saying the former makes dating way harder than saying those with the latter should just give up. I don't understand why you're engaging in such an obvious lie about how this sub is moderated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 12:07 AM
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The proposed new sub rules are really "mask off" about what the moderation team believes. Saying that dating struggles might be based on some genetic or un-changeable trait is generally banned, unless that trait is being on the spectrum, then it's totally fine. This isn't a debate sub, it's a hate sub aimed at telling people with certain neurodivergent traits that they should die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 10:19 PM
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I feel like it's more the opposite: Men will claim that even though they personally don't do/want/believe something, it's true that most men do. Women will say that something cannot be true for most women (or it doesn't matter that it's true for most women) because it's not true for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:06 AM
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The trouble for guys is to be slightly above average you just need to be slightly above average in like 6 different things that are all mostly independent. So only 1 in 64 men is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:05 AM
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PPD women vs Reddit's rule against claiming homosexuality is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:00 AM
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How about you go back and read what I wrote very carefully until you understand why your question makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:00 PM
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You think there was a stigma against hospitals reporting suicide attempts in the 2000s? Living in denial. Why are you so against mitigating societal factors that cause anxiety among women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:05 PM
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That would be a good point IF we didn't also have more objective data on suicide attempts and self-harm. If the rates of medication go up in lockstep with the rates of objective harm, it's not an issue of stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:53 PM
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Most women would say Bezos is financially stable, that doesn't mean men need to be billionaires for women to consider them financially stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:47 PM
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Why does option 4 only get discussed as ways of taking away women's rights? We know that there are societal factors at play that have massively increased the rate of suicide attempts and self-harm for women, we know there has also been a massive increase in women who need medication for their mental health. Why assume that wanting a guy who's perfect in every possible category isn't also a symptom of anxiety in women? If anything, this would explain why these "high standards" only apply to some …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:26 PM
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Since when did we start calling nursing homes and other long term care facilities "millennials"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:37 PM
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OK, fat women who want to date fit men have it way easier instead of only slightly easier than fit men who want to date fit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:49 PM
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And yet in real life I see almost exclusively the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:48 PM
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Fat women who are fine dating fat men have a way easier time in dating than all but model-tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:09 AM
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Fat women who want to date fit men have it almost as hard as fit men who want to date fit women. Still sounds like privilege to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:03 AM
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Depends on how you calculate it. BMI handles height poorly, it measures weight per height squared but since humans are 3-dimensional and roughly proportional our weight actually varies proportional to our height cubed. My BMI at 6'1" and 185 is about 24.5. With the same proportions scaled down to 5'4", the average woman's height in the US, my BMI would only be 21.5. You see this play out with severe obesity, a BMI of 40 or higher. At that level it's nearly impossible to add enough height or musc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:58 AM
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It's not most men, it's just most dates. Most men are looking for a long term partner, but want someone they view as an actual match to partner with. The few who are looking for just casual sex are the ones most willing to date someone less attractive in order to get that easy sex, so those men become the most attractive option for women. It's not even necessarily the most attractive men doing this, a bunch of them also want long term partners, they just don't stay on the dating market very long…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:06 PM
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Reddit will ban any sub related to dating that doesn't have enough bad faith actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:40 PM
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Why can't that be why I'm here? I get to say my piece, and have convenient props that will chime in to prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:36 PM
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If you want to argue Z is a consequence of X, go ahead. I have very rarely seen the word "because" in women's posts on here...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:32 PM
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To point out the hypocrisy to any other men who read the sub. The female posters on here aren't competitors, they're props.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:29 PM
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If I just assumed every woman on here was acting in bad faith I wouldn't have been wrong yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:26 PM
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Who said it's you? Who said it's even just one person?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:21 PM
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You are very obviously not trying to understand, just to twist what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:04 PM
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Average PPD interaction: Men: I believe X because A, B, and C. Women: You're wrong, I believe Y. Men: Why do you believe Y? Why do you think Y contradicts X? Women: So you believe Z? Men: I never said that, I said I believe X. Why do you believe Y? Women: When did I say I believed Y? I don't understand why you believe Z. You're a bad person for believing Z. Men: Ok, I'm done if you're just going to play dumb. Mod: No personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:02 PM
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I'm done responding if you can't answer in good faith and keep ignoring what I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:48 PM
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Well the two options are relationship material vs. casual sex material. This is the comment I disagreed with. Why do you think all relationship material is the same? I certainly don't, there are different types of relationships where the men are treated very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:42 PM
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You were the one who said there were only two options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:37 PM
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Yes, that's because you view all relationships as the same. My question was why you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:20 PM
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I quoted a common refrain I've heard from women on this sub. you still can win a person with your personality Only if you can interact with them enough for them to get to know you. The single women in my larger social circle don't seem interested in any of the men. Like, I'd get it if I stayed single but a bunch of them paired up, that would be a me problem, but the women aren't dating any of the men. if you are objectively aren’t that pretty Objectively I'm fine, I'm in good shape, take care of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:19 PM
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When you said there were only two options, lumping all relationships into the same option.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:38 PM
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I can see how a woman viewing you as a meal ticket isn’t in any way enticing, but I wonder how often does it really happen. Most of the time. For some guys all of the time. Well that just means you're going after the wrong women because most women aren't like that... Yeah, it's not most women, it's most of the interest. Most women care about a guy being attractive, but that's why most of the interest goes to the same 20% of guys. So what do the rest of us do? Try really hard to vet for whether w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:37 PM
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No, I think there are more than two options because not all relationships are the same. Why do you feel differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:24 PM
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So if your own mother told you “You’re going to be a wonderful mom", you would find it gross and like she was coming on to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:23 PM
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What makes you think all relationships are the same? Women seem smart enough to acknowledge that not all relationships are built on mutual love and trust, so why act like they are all equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:19 PM
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Do men not want to be loved or cherished anymore? ... those aren't the feelings men associate with being viewed as a safe option or husband material. Please try to read comments before you respond to them, it will save you the embarrassment that comes from asking a question that is clearly answered in the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:52 AM
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I think you replied to the wrong comment, I never said "I'd rather pump and dump you" was a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:49 AM
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I wouldn’t count interactions with service workers as flirting to start with. That's why I put "flirting" in quotes, it's not really the same and most guys can tell, even with very little experience of genuine attraction. Problem is those interactions with service workers do feel very similar to interactions with women who view you as "husband material". “You’re going to be a wonderful mom” sounds kinda nice depending on the context. It's a fine complement, but I'd say a more platonic one, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:48 AM
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loved and cherished This is the difference. It might not be fair to individual women, but those aren't the feelings men associate with being viewed as a safe option or husband material. There are similar issues but the other way when it comes to being potential parents. Most men would be fine being told they'd be a good father, but tell a woman you view her as "mom material" and watch her attraction for you dry up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:46 AM
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Even without much dating experience, men will experience the "flirting" that comes from waitresses and bartenders and other service sector workers. Being desired for your resources feels different for all but the least experienced men, and from all but the most skilled workers at seeming more natural. You can see the same thing with women, just with slightly different wording because we still have gendered expectations around providing resources between husbands and wives. Start telling a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:39 AM
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So many posts on this sub go something along the lines of "how do we fix dating?" but ignore that half the population do not want to fix it. Dating works exactly the way women want it to work. The only changes they want would be locking up some innocent men to ensure we lock up all predatory men, and changing their own attractiveness relative to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:37 AM
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Your tongue is all muscle, that's how hard other muscles will be when you're not flexing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 12:01 AM
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If defined by the studies that say 1/4 women experience sexual assault in college or some similar claim then I have been sexually assaulted by women multiple times but never by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 11:56 PM
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That's a significant part of why women want taller men. They want to be the smaller one in the relationship, but don't like how fat guys look, so they want extra height difference so they can still be the smaller one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 11:54 PM
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At 35? It's amazing how many people nowadays make this sort of transformation between 22 and 26.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 10:29 PM
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Well, I guess we can never question any policy choices that we "had" to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:21 AM
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I don't understand this line of thinking. "Our Keynesian policies cannot have caused our economic problems because other nations that adopted similar Keynesian policies have similar economic problems."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 12:53 AM
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I think you're looking at the population in general, not specifically the women who are single at each of those ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 12:44 AM
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young women in particular are much more responsive to superficial traits coupled with a level of toxicity than they would be to a plain guy with high EQ. I don't think this is true if you limit your criteria to single women. Some women are less picky about superficial traits, but those women tend to be more likely to enter long term relationships as they get older, while those with more delusional standards are more likely to stay single. The average 23 year old might be more superficial than th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:20 PM
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No, that's not how any of this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:34 PM
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Kind of, but you still have the discomfort. Like, would you rather wake up with a hangover every day, but you can take tylenol for it, or just not have the hangover to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:27 AM
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Worse than insufficient. Would you rather have a loving and supportive friendship or a loving and supportive friendship but also with blue balls?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:27 PM
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Easily woman B. As others have said, woman A is just a friendship. If there's no sex could even be man A instead, it's all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:58 PM
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Excellent ways to try and justify your bias against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:44 AM
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Sure, but there's still roughly as many men as there are women. If a guy is more attractive than 90% of other men his "match" should be a woman more attractive than about 90% of other women. Some people have different tastes so nobody would have an exact ranking, but across a large group of people those differences should even out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 12:33 AM
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That's just bias of thinking women in general look better. If everyone basically ended up with their looksmatch, then the people who are still single later in life would also be matched up. Are all the women in their mid to upper 30s who can't find a partner to match them just on par looks-wise with the men that age who also can't find a partner? I have yet to find anyone who would agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 11:01 PM
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This sounds like someone wanted to play D&D and get the school to help fund it, so they added the right wording to make it seem like a social program.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 08:14 PM
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Well that's the fun of a debate sub: I can write an argument for why I believe what I do and you can just say you disagree and provide no further argument. Women just aren't used to carrying the same mental load as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 05:27 PM
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No, they don't. It's just that the ones who do want casual sex are more likely to pay, more likely to date women below their own league, and spend more time trying to pick up women so they get better and more natural at it. These men are most of the dates women go on, but that's just because women keep selecting the same 10% of men over and over. We really should rename this sub to r/WomenTellingOnThemselves...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 04:43 PM
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Quite a bit of the height obsession is just wanting a guy who's bigger but not liking the way fat guys look. If a fat woman gets a fit boyfriend who is only a little taller than her she runs into this problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:57 PM
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That's my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:46 PM
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Very few men have casual sex with any sort of regularity. Men understand that marrying a gold digger is way more expensive than having a couple dates with one then dumping her after sex. Expecting equal investment is way more important when looking for a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:45 PM
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If girlfriend and boyfriend struggle with the same shit, and she’s bouncing back quicker than him, she might get irked. I agree with this, but I don't think it's because women "have thicker skin". Women are more privileged in receiving help with emotional issues, so any single emotional issue isn't as harsh for them to deal with. Skipping a meal is going to be more punishing for a person who also didn't get enough to eat yesterday, but that doesn't mean the more well fed person has "thicker skin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:42 PM
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Any woman stupid enough to think the men looking a quick hookup are the men less likely to pay for the date are bound to get used by men constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:31 PM
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For sure. With climate change we're past the point where we can just cut emissions and avoid problems, there's too much CO2 in the air already. We need innovation and excess energy to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere to reverse the process. The problem here is that we don't develop technology by sitting alone and thinking about it, so the rate of technological development is probably proportional to the number of educated, upper middle class people squared. We're declining in population in exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:42 AM
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She's thinks men are selfish for making their love contingent on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 01:50 AM
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Why do you hate trans women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:19 PM
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You're proving my point...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:05 AM
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That's because you don't have any real argument, you just dislike men so you try to find whatever little thing you can in my comments to disagree with. I couldn't read your mind about the special definition of "push" you have, so I restated my argument from before you derailed the conversation, but you can't get back on because you had no real point to get back to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:53 AM
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Prayer of the Bluepill: Men's dating problems don't exist. And if they do, they're not that bad. And if they are, it's all the men's fault anyways. And if it's not, then we can't do anything about it. We should add these as flairs and pick which line goes with which bluepill post, would save everyone so much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:46 AM
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Ok, I don't agree with that definition, but we can use it: Attractive guys dates a woman for a bit, he's out of her league so she pushes for initiates sex early on, then he cuts things off when he decides her personality isn't a good match for him. Then she calls him an evil, manipulative man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:43 AM
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Not by itself, smh. Initiating and pushing mean the same thing, you can certainly push for something without going full rapist and refusing to accept a "no". If you want to use your definition, then I've never had any woman "push" for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:27 AM
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Initiating kissing, being more physical with touching when we were making out, initiating taking clothes off, stuff like that. For all the comments on here about men not being able to read social cues, it's not that hard for almost all women and almost all men. Only a few socially underdeveloped women who can't give obvious signs, and the men who "miss" them most often just don't actually receive them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:19 PM
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Nor do you see gross fat femcels pairing with high social status men. What's the cutoff for high social status? I'd say I see this fairly often.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:08 PM
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Really? I've had women push for it in basically every relationship I've been in that lasted more than like 3 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:06 PM
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If not that, what behavior is it that women call out chads for?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 09:52 PM
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Sure you have. Attractive guys dates a woman for a bit, he's out of her league so she pushes for sex early on, then he cuts things off when he decides her personality isn't a good match for him. Then she calls him an evil, manipulative man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:50 PM
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That's because the only behavior of "Chad" women want to call out is which women he finds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:31 PM
2

Cool, glad you agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:26 PM
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What is "the best"? If the best is a happy marriage, why would you want to provide a financial incentive to not have that outcome? If the person I love most is trying to exercise more, and I tell them "I'll give you $50 if you don't work out today," does that mean I want the best for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:45 AM
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Prudish attitudes around sex outside of marriage, basically the opposite of modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:26 AM
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enforcing monogamy to demonize the men who would engage in polygamy or have harems. It's almost as if I wrote exactly that in my comment...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:18 AM
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Do women think that men don't know about the posing they do for pictures? One leg forward with only the toe touching the ground, tilt the torso forward and slightly suck in the gut, then push the chest forward. Goodbye fupa, goodbye jelly rolls, goodbye gut! Best is you push your face forward and can lose that second chin as well. Of course, anyone with a healthy physique does this and we look awful because our rib cage is sticking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:29 AM
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It's a good example of how differently we treat men and women. Women have anxieties while men are insecure. Negative traits are external things that women are victims of, but for men they are inherent shortcomings caused by the man himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:15 AM
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Because you're just on here to troll and make personal attacks. Why do you think so many of your comments get removed for rule violations?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:03 AM
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Keep lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:33 AM
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Lol, of course you can't answer the questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:20 AM
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It mostly showed that you are unwilling to engage in good faith. Can you answer the question? Do you think men need to lower their standards, if those standards aren't "I only date models"? Additionally, does "going around living my life, spending time with my friends, meeting new people, and asking out women I find attractive" not count as "enjoying the process"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:10 AM
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Sure they do. That's the definition of the "patriarchy": enforcing monogamy to demonize the men who would engage in polygamy or have harems. Feminism is primarily a movement aimed at preventing men from restricting "chad's behavior".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:07 AM
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Here's the comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1g1fa8t/the_reason_most_people_dont_enjoy_dating_is/lrlm1ep/ I only asked afterwards to clarify what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:00 AM
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Yes. Look at fashion, makeup, decorating houses and apartments just in general and specifically for holidays. Women have higher visual standards in all aspects of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 11:59 PM
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You'll have to ask the person who originally said their standards were models.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 11:55 PM
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Who said they only want models?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:58 PM
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It doesn't matter to me if others are physically attracted to her, but I certainly do care if she has friends and is well liked by others. Men just tend to value personality a little more than women, who care more about physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:40 PM
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So the real meaning of "enjoy the process" is "lower your standards"? I guess just going around living my life, spending time with my friends, meeting new people, and asking out women I find attractive doesn't count as "enjoying the process"...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:35 PM
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I don't know man, socializing in general and having friends is easy enough. Maybe I'm just incredibly ugly, but that doesn't explain why none of the other guys in my extended social circle have had any luck the past couple years. I know some of them have asked, but the women just don't seem to be interested. In fact, the single women I know aren't really dating anyone off and on either, they aren't interested in the men they hang out with and if they date anyone it certainly doesn't get far enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:16 PM
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None of what you said contradicts anything that I said. Yes, you can't force attraction, and if women are only attracted to the top men then you can't force them to change. But attraction is more than just physical, and you can't force the respect and admiration good relationships are built on any more than you can force physical attraction. If women's standards mean the only attractive aspect of a woman an average man can get is her holes, then he's going to treat her like a set of holes. I'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:00 PM
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My point is for a lot of guys there is no process. The reason I didn't win the Superbowl last year isn't because I was too focused on the result and didn't trust the process week by week, the reason is that I'm not in the NFL.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 05:52 PM
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Men would have no trouble dating if they went for women that were just as desirable as them. The problem with this line of thinking is how it leads to sexist views of women. If a guy is fit, has a good job, owns his own house, has interesting hobbies, and spends time with a wide group of friends, but his "match" in a woman has none of these traits, that man is going to view women in general as less capable and successful than men. Or said the other way, if a man has been taught equality and beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:30 AM
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The ones that actually enjoy the process? That like to meet new people, go out and try new places find different ways to have fun, see if they vibe and if becomes more: or doesn’t but that means meeting some more new people? Those people have a great time dating. Those people have a great time dating if they're women or very attractive men. For a lot of guys, whether they desire that sort of dating or desire a "future wife" or desire just having casual sex doesn't make much of a difference, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:15 AM
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You think all or even most criminals, junkies and serial killers have girlfriends? Yes. Also to have such conclusions you’d have to ignore the millions of men who aren’t any of those things who also date women and get married etc.. Only if you think all women are dysfunctional, which is not a claim I've ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:54 PM
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From the OP: For example, the whining that assholes, criminals, junkies, and serial killers have girlfriends/admirers. And you think guys who are shy and awkward are on this same level?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:36 PM
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My favorite is when people post a link that directly disproves the point they were trying to make. Like saying women with autism mask better than men, then posting a link that says autistic women's behavior isn't masked, it's just more widely accepted, and that even then autistic women do worse socializing with other women than autistic men do socializing with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:35 AM
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That's sort of a strange argument given the overall thread. "Feminists don't dehumanize men, because men are treated as guilty until proven innocent in feminist-heavy colleges, but men were always treated that way." Why is it that every argument on this sub that isn't explicitly red pill ends up sounding like some variation of the Narcissist's Prayer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:25 AM
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Here's one: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/yale-student-who-reported-rape-can-be-sued-for-defamation-due-to-schools-procedures-court-says/3055786/ Justices said Doe was not immune because Yale's sexual assault disciplinary proceedings are not “quasi-judicial,” meaning they don't have standards analogous to traditional courts. As in many U.S. universities, Yale's procedures do not subject accusers to cross-examination and do not require witnesses to testify under oath. If proceedings w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 09:35 PM
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How does that relate to what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 09:26 PM
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I know more dysfunctional women dating dysfunctional men than I know dysfunctional men in total.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 09:25 PM
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It was a moral panic, and like any other moral panic it resulted in a lot of misdirected anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 09:23 PM
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Why do you think jail is the only possible consequence? What sort of punishment is acceptable for an innocent man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:22 PM
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Whoosh, look at those moving goalposts! You said: Please point me to a serious argument made by feminists to strip defendants in sex-crime cases of that presumption. Now that's not good enough, it now needs to be cases where feminists change the standard from "no assumption either way" to "assumed guilty until proven innocent". Oh, and it has to be in court, not in the cases that actually have a presumption of guilt. If you're mad about universities holding too much sway over their students or f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:19 PM
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Probably the side with an argument to back up what they say. I've given my reason why, but I haven't heard any argument to the contrary, just that people believe the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:12 PM
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The idea that men should pursue "enlightenment" instead of a family with a loving partner is very clear evidence that the person giving the advice is nowhere near enlightened.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:10 PM
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I would assume so, given how consistently those dysfunctional men have partners. It's like the dating app problem but reversed: more women than men on dating apps means women on the apps always have dates, more dysfunctional women than men means those men always have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:03 PM
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Please point me to a serious argument made by feminists to strip defendants in sex-crime cases of that presumption. That would be the focus on civil cases instead of criminal ones for sex crimes, which don't have the same presumption of innocence. Especially the focus on universities where there is effectively a presumption of guilt, and those accused must prove their innocence rather than the simple "more likely than not" standard of civil courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:00 PM
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Men: "I wish there weren't so many dysfunctional women." PPD Women: "Ugh, why do you want dysfunctional women to date you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:54 PM
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The problem is we need an actual solution, not just window dressing to make ourselves feel better. Stopping climate change is this generation's version of the space race and going to the moon. But all we get from politicians are policies to build a taller tower and claim that's gotten us closer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:58 AM
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Unless he’s unconscious from alcohol in which case it’s rape. Are you really saying the only way someone can get too drunk to consent is if they become fully unconscious?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:52 AM
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Cool, so the best way to deal with a physically abusive woman is to just not have the woman be physically abusive, got it. If we just pretend the problem could never exist, there's no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:52 AM
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No one is arresting you for locking yourself in your room and saying my girlfriend won’t let me leave How do you get away from her into your room? Did you shove her? Slam the door in her face? I can't believe you condone such violence against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:15 PM
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There are some people who make these excuses for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:13 PM
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Are you sure you're not like an AI or something? Because the buzzwords are all there but there's no coherent point. You're arguing against a point that only you yourself are making, or making a point with zero support by claiming something is true but asking the other person to provide data to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:02 PM
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