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This guy gets it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 06:27 AM
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I personally don’t think you sound bitter but it does feel like you have a bit of residual fear in you. It’s fine for day to day interactions but definitely reads as a red flag for me too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 06:26 AM
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Not to make you read the analysis to me or anything, but was a survey confirming that there was a stated preference included? Male attractiveness groupings might be correlative to something else rather than men purposely seeking out looks matched friends. I’m trying to understand if your last statement was just your opinion on the piece or if that’s what the author concluded as well.
/r/BlackPillScience05/08/21 05:14 PM
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Interesting. I’m definitely curious about the sample size and the variety of the groups with such low r’s. While men have a tighter cluster, I wouldn’t consider .39 to be significant Does it attempt to prove cause or detail how the quantify attractiveness? My initial thought would be towards personal bias and what other things these groups have in common. A potentially interesting article but I’m not hearing anything particularly insightful based on your summary...
/r/BlackPillScience05/08/21 03:10 PM
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Sorry but I’m running into a paywall. Is this just saying that men tend to cluster in groups where they are physically similar (shared physical hobbies) and women have more variance (shared social hobbies)? Not sure if this is particularly surprising
/r/BlackPillScience05/08/21 12:28 PM
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Oh you’re right. My bad ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:08 PM
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My job isn’t to tell you what to do (I think it was you that said to never listen to women but I could be wrong. There have been a lot of comments). To put it yet another way I’m trying to understand if you a) value the idea of a mistress over best practice b) do not understand the concept of risk assessment c) incapable of critically reviewing your desires or d) have some yet to be revealed truth that you are just floundering with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:05 AM
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We’ll set aside you projecting your disdain for feminine energy for later. You had specifically stated that I was presenting as a woman which was antithetical to getting at the crux of your argument. In order to compensate for the gap in communication, I assisted by translating into commonly held beliefs you folks tend to hold. You haven’t been great at conveying your points clearly so I’m doing what I can to help because I’m genuinely curious about your position and would like to understand the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:50 AM
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You seem to be struggling to understand what I’m asking, so I’ll simplify. The question isn’t whether or not it works, it’s why choose a riskier method when a better one is available. I’m not trying to convince you to not pursue this course of action. I’m just trying to understand what makes it more efficient than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:56 PM
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It sounds like you are agreeing with me then. As mentioned men aren’t raised with the correct tools to maneuver the dating world effectively and media (movies, tv, etc) exacerbates the issue as it not only doesn’t help achieve the goal, but it also makes it harder to recognize a failed prospect early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:53 PM
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I’m thinking about it from a risk perspective. If you are going outside of your “closed” relationship then each of your hour long trists comes with the risk of your SO finding out about the other woman. Will it be the discrepancy with your schedule, a glimpse of a text, or an ill timed phone call? Maybe it’ll be a pregnancy scare, outright black mail from your SB, or just an unlucky bought of women’s intuition. You are unnecessarily increasing the probability of hiccups for no payoff. It’s like …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:59 PM
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I can assure you that my questions aren’t in bad faith. Your described situation simply seems unnecessarily laden with a failure point and I’m genuinely not grasping why a reasonable guy would choose it. I’d like to understand where you’re coming from, but on the face of it you seem to be making your decisions from an emotional place rather than a logical one. Allow me to restate what you’re saying and let me know if I’ve jumped to an incorrect conclusion somewhere. I apologize in advance for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:39 PM
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I didn’t claim that women and men were the same. My argument is that there is enough variance within both of those groups for your referenced arguments that it would be disingenuous to claim AMALT/AWALT Morality aside of course, why set yourself up to have to sneak around? I get that you are into non-monogamy but building a life with a person then purposely inserting failure points into the relationship is a blatant self sabotage. It feels almost like the trope of the BBEG putting a self destruc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:56 PM
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It sounds like you are looking to complicate your life. That’s a drama farm if I’ve ever seen one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:55 AM
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Sure. If a guy finds a partner that’s okay with an open relationship of that nature then go crazy. Who am I to stand in the way of the hypothetical happiness of this couple?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:12 AM
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It’s rather forward of you to ascribe thoughts/feelings to me when I’m explicitly advising otherwise. I don’t find women or their parts sexually attractive and sex with them is not something I would enjoy. Andrea sounds great but extrapolating her thoughts to the thoughts of all women us a fallacy. Very similar to assuming that all men share your disgust with the male form. I don’t want to discredit your experiences or feelings, but people of either gender aren’t a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:08 AM
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If you’re in America being in shape and having a modicum of emotional intelligence puts you in the top 30%. Guys that choose to wallow rather than improve can’t be saved anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:29 AM
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Maybe not. I was focusing on the attitude rather than the technique. I apologize for being unclear. The best partners are those that have settled down and you generally don’t start seeing that until men hit their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:26 AM
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That’s a weird jump. What makes you think that I’m not attracted to my partner? Do you honestly think women are incapable of doing more than laying back so that sex can be done to them? I’m also dubious of the getting off on being vulnerable statement. I’m sure some women do but I personally have a button on me that provides free oxytocin if someone I love presses it. Be careful about making sweeping generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 01:22 AM
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I think it depends on the person. If you can find someone that’s willing to take time to learn your body it’s better than the best damn massage you’ll ever get at a salon. The hard body, hair, and musk are just bonuses. I personally don’t get why a guy would want to stick his dick in the mucous filled hole of a stranger but to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:38 PM
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No worries. It was my bad. I won’t say that all women are built the same so there’s no global technique to getting them off, but in my experience it takes guys quite a bit of time to realize that porn isn’t reality and that they should feel comfortable communicating openly with their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:34 PM
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Absolute kek Idk about you but I think dudes can be pretty damn hot if they want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:28 PM
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A fair point and a valuable contribution. Self development does not replace the need for romantic agency. Very few things will just fall into your lap even if you’ve worked for them. Getting out and approaching women is still necessary but I would imagine the failure rate decreases as you glow-up
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:27 PM
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Didn’t mean to offend. I probably could have worded it differently. What I meant is men need practice to be good partners. They need it to get good at sex and be good roommates. I believe it’s the reason women aren’t clamoring for low n-count dudes. No one wants to be the one to mother a fuckboy into being a suitable SO. I’d much rather that software come preinstalled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:21 PM
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Not really. It sounds like an ineffective use of resources. Why pay two women to do the job of one? If you have the money to support an SB and a wife then you have the money to afford a hotter wife. It sounds like you’re just trying to complicate your life tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:13 PM
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There’s definitely wiggle room but I wouldn’t say they are entirely changeable. Some sort of underlying attraction must be present for her to be converted. And even if it is possible, the time and effort is hardly worth it. Why not just look for someone that actually wants you rather than chasing someone that needs to be convinced to love you? Sounds like a bad time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:10 PM
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But my homies are people... I don’t wanna diddle my homies But seriously, you are entirely right but the issue is they are playing a numbers game. They view shotgun approaches to be the best bang for their buck. It sucks but I kind of get it. Taking the time to get to know/love each and every girl you approach sounds emotionally draining and it’s prone to failure anyway. In fact, the attachments formed this way are probably what leads them to continue pursuit even after getting a ‘no’.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:02 PM
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Everything’s a race if you have a need for speed. But seriously, understanding the degree to which people are affected helps prioritize and direct corrections. The reason it’s important to recognize that guys are worse off in this case is that effort should be redirected from tempering women’s romcom based expectations to teaching guys that is okay to move on if a girls says no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:34 PM
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Don’t break the illusion. You’ll just upset him
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:24 PM
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It wasn’t always that way. Before r/incels shut down there were a lot of guys showing off new hobbies, chilling in undecorated living rooms, and sharing photos from their travels. Post purge it’s guys obsessing over women that resemble their ex’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:23 PM
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Exactly. There’s no reason to shit on other guys. We’re here to try to better the community. Is super petty to belittle people that are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:14 PM
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Everyone can have preferences. I wish you luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:02 PM
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Always a good role of thumb
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:59 PM
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I think the takeaway is that while it’s okay to pursue love, you are not entitled to it from a specific person. I haven’t watched the film, but if the main character was willing to not fixate on a specific girl would he have avoided heartbreak?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:59 PM
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Thread
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:55 PM
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It’s natural to not want to own up to an internal failure. I’m sure they’ll mature out of it. It’ll just take time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:53 PM
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Who let this emotionally mature, well adjusted guy onto my internets?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:51 PM
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Be wholesome, sweet, patient, and have self respect. It’s okay/natural to want love. You just have to be willing to work on yourself and be willing to hold out for the right guy. Learn to be comfortable in your own company until someone worthwhile comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:48 PM
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lol You are entirely right. I didn’t realize action movies were just romance movies for men by men. Very sneaky
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:44 PM
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Maybe. The Notebook gets away with playing up revolting behavior under the guise of courting because Gosling’s a QT. IRL threatening to kill yourself to get a date is a redder flag than the communist manifesto.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:36 PM
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The man spits facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:32 PM
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If guys actually knew this, then why are there so many orbiters? I agree there is an understanding that they are not as attractive as your mentioned actors, but the disconnect lies in the fact that they aren’t given any other tools to use. Men are conditioned to pursue by their peers and parents, but aren’t really told what to do. It’s not unreasonable or their fault that they absorb the examples given to them; it just means that they have to unlearn the behavior. Becky the bridesmaid can have f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:31 PM
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A little off topic but I’ll bite. How high the bar is is entirely relative to the person trying to reach for it. I, personally, expect my husband to maintain himself to the same degree that I maintain myself. Does this mean a guy has to be the Rock or Jesse (weird choice but ok) to find love? Absolutely not. But I won’t pretend to be surprised when a man with dirty nails, a wrinkled shirt, and no hobbies gets rejected by the love of his life. I agree that the blame shouldn’t be laid at the feet …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:15 PM
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Very will put. This disillusionment feels very similar to the attitudes towards not being able to achieve the American Dream. Folks are finding out that even if you do everything right you aren’t entitled to success to any degree. The 21st century is a total bummer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:41 PM
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Good point. I appreciate the clarification on my behalf.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:16 PM
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I didn’t claim that at all. I just said that different men want different things and have different goals. Women get horny, but very few are ‘I’m willing to ruin my life for dick’ horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:14 PM
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Exactly. The whole flavor changed when those folks were disenfranchised. The old world boys club subreddits were just guys reminding each other that they have value, deserve respect, and should have standards. Now it’s just a bunch of spurned lovers and AWALT memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:11 PM
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I’m with you but please be wary of tropes and standards set by social media. Your referenced IG girl is a small, vocal minority and the comment section is her echo chamber. Women may set the bar, but it’s guys that are clawing at the opportunity to compete at that level. If more men were to willing to pass on a girl that hasn’t expressed clear, enthusiastic consent the market would be able to level itself out. If you view behavior as bad, so engaging with it. Stay strong king
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:04 PM
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Not disagreeing with you. The foundational principles are good, but RP tends to attract people that are in a bad place emotionally and the guys that want to profit off of their vulnerability. Unfortunately both sour the perception of the group. There’s nothing wrong with realizing that the dating game is not a ‘come as you area’ sort of situation. If a guy is unwilling to recognize that they need to work on themselves before they can get a girl, then he’s going to continue to struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:57 PM
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Fair. It was inappropriate to extend the premise before proven. I’ll refer back to my previous examples. Marijuana increased in price to accommodate taxes and a GFE is still hiring a person for an extended period of time. A good hour long, above board massage always costs a bit more than $100. Adding enthusiastic sex just drives out the price from there. Sugar babies are a much cheaper option by $$ per hour but the buy in is still prohibitively high. That’s why I included it as a a baseline to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:42 PM
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Fair point and a needed clarification. The middle 60% of men are entirely capable of building to attract a partner, but they would be best served by putting themselves out there at the same time. There’s no need to wait as developing these social skills is a must, but there has to be the understanding that early efforts can and will fail with the success rate increasing as the better themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:14 PM
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Fair and balanced. It’s entirely possible to want one without the other, but is that what all guys are looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:08 PM
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A bit tangential to the thread, but I’ll bite. Good lies all have a grain of truth. Within the context of dating I’m not advising you to take what anyone says as gospel, but you would be doing yourself a disservice by not being mindful of what your partner is saying. Even in her misdirection, she’s telling you the cards she’s holding. This in conjunction with a good foundation of core principles puts you in a favorable position to act from. Within the context of the prompt, telling guys to not l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:06 PM
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Not sure where you’re going with this. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:40 PM
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I don’t know, but adding a Rocky montage would definitely make some of these movies more watchable 🤔 Jokes aside, women have a ton of ‘glow-up’ romcoms. A male version could be just as entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:38 PM
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That’s... actually a really good point. It’s on my watch list. Thanks for the recommendation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:32 PM
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I don’t take issue with the fact that actions speak louder than words, however disregarding a viewpoint wholesale is a bit silly. Past behavior is always the best indicator of future behavior, but what comes out of a person’s mouth provides additional insight as to what makes them tick. It doesn’t make sense to set yourself up to make things harder. It’s like putting together a puzzle but refusing to use certain pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:30 PM
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The biggest insult of all: Agreeing with a woman I hope you have a better day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:22 PM
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I agree but I don’t think they’re left in as bad of a position. They get the option to settle into dissatisfaction while men have to struggle to meet that bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:20 PM
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I agree. We are in dire need of more positive, male glow-up stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:17 PM
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I’ve already responded to what you said. You haven’t presented any additional points to argue. I reminded you that we agree and you seemed to take that personally. If you have anything else to add to the topic of this post then feel free to do so, but as it stands you seem to just enjoy the quipping so I’ll indulge. The intent was not to yell you down and I apologize if you felt attacked. Unfortunately, that doesn’t change the fact that you’ve brought nothing besides an affirmative position to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:51 PM
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Big oof. I agree in principle, but just calling these guys dumb doesn’t help them improve and we gain nothing by making fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:41 PM
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Lol you made me reread my entire thread. No one said anything about tenderness. In fact, I specifically hold my tongue on advice like that since good, global recommendations about women are hard to vet. Ladies aren’t a monolith after all. Maybe you should stop using copypasta talking points or wait until later in the day when you’re less sleepy to respond to posts. Being unnecessarily contrarian isn’t a great way to champion your cause. It makes you seem petulant and undermines your message. Be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:21 PM
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Fair point. I do think social attitudes have outpaced movies though. Until this is fixed, you’re going to continue to have a bunch of guys that aren’t properly prepared for seeking a partner. Unfortunately writers aren’t incentivized to change what they produce since it sells, so men just have to unlearn and be patient. Very much like the porn problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:05 PM
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It sounds like your expectations match what’s available to you so you’re in a good place. If it wasn’t clear, I agree with you. The concern would be raised if you expected a guy you denied to run through the airport to beg you to change your mind or something if that nature. This behavior isn’t something that I or anyone I know of would desire or expect of a suitor. Women on the whole are just in a better headspace for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:49 PM
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This man preaches facts
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:39 PM
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What a long way of saying that you don’t understand how people can offer alternative framing to a person with a problematic initial premise. You used 4 points to tell folks to develop themselves and to not let a relationship be the measure of their success. Literally the conclusion of my post. Your time would be better served hitting up CMVs that you actually disagree with rather than just taking the time to remind people of your disregard for women. Hydrate, moisturize, and stay in your lane u/…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:27 PM
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Agree with the exception of the CC or settle options for women. They can also just wait out a guy’s fuckboy phase or shop for a guy in his mid-late 30s. This gives them a relatively established guy that has been tempered/trained by the other women he’s been with. Objectively this is a great scenario. Unless guys make a concerted effort to be emotionally mature, vulnerable, willing to accept rejection, well in both mind and body (hydration check), social, open, financially stable, and humble from…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:16 PM
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I won’t argue because I can see where you’re coming from, but they have a better chance of experiencing a top tier man due to how demand is structured. This not only doesn’t change the fact that guys are the ones harmed, it emphasizes the point since they aren’t being recommended the proper tools to achieve their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:03 PM
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Thanks mom. I’ll do better
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:58 PM
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lol or anything with Seth Rogen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:58 PM
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Does it feel weird to tell people to never listen to women then parrot the advice a woman gave with your next breath? Don’t get caught up in the RP talking points, sweetheart. Good principles should be applied critically. As stated, getting the girl should never be the end goal. Self improvement, self satisfaction, and self fulfillment are what every man should focus on. The rest is just window dressing. If (since it’s applicable to so many men) he absolutely cannot recenter his focus, I’m just …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:51 PM
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Whoa. This guy. Tone aside, I agree with you. It’s much healthier to focus on personal development rather than fixating on getting a girl. Companionship shouldn’t be the end-all-be-all. It should be an enhancement to an already thriving lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:26 PM
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Definitely, but would you assume that we’re all responsible consumers? That’s incredibly generous of you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:23 PM
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There’s definitely a distinct vibe difference between the romcoms written by women and those written by men. The former seems to pivot around a ‘male savior’ type character with thick hair and well fitted jeans. The latter is either a goofball in sandals scoring above his league or a pretty guy going to unhealthy lengths to get his reluctant dream girl. It’s weird how stark the divide is 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:22 PM
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Women are given the ideal early on, but are consistently told to manage their expectations. I think this gives them better perspective on what they can and can’t reasonably obtain. Guys don’t really have this check unless they are way off the deep end. If they’re not demanding a big titty goth GF as a bang maid, a virgin waifu, or a 8+/10 there’s not a ton of feedback to properly level set
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:11 PM
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Destigmatization doesn’t dictate price, the market does. Just look at prices for sex in countries that it’s legal or marijuana in states where it’s legal. This will just boost demand which would increase prices or flood the market with inferior product for the same price. The only people you are helping are the sex workers who would have more protections under the law and government who will happily collect taxes on the trade. I’m totally in favor of legalization, but it’s not going to solve the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:53 AM
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I didn’t say that it’d be easy. I’m just telling you what would satisfy them. The fact that it’s difficult to obtain is the reason they find themselves in this situation in the first place. In fact, legalization of sex work will more than likely end up radicalizing them further. Men of this mindset are already very vocally against being stuck in a betabux situation. What makes you think that they will suddenly have a change of heart when women start explicitly asking for cash in exchange for aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:41 AM
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Literally describing an existing service. If your average incel can’t afford a SB now, he’s not going to be able to afford one once prostitution is legalized. These guys need legitimate, unconditional companionship. If they could attract a partner with money and be satisfied with that they’d have already done so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:26 AM
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Yes and no? Both exist on a spectrum. Practically, women care most about relative heights (e.g. how tall is he compared to me, compared to the friends he hangs with, etc) and how functional you are. If you are shorter than 5’7” then you have access to a smaller fraction of the pool, but you still have options. Shorter options. For autism your ability to obtain/retain a relationship is based on functionality. You’ll have the best luck with women with a mirrored disability or strong mothering inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:02 AM
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Maybe if men were more open to being kind to each other they wouldn’t need emotional validation from women? I get ribbing your friends but if a guy asking for advice doesn’t get the answer he is wanting to hear, there’s no reason to lash out. We understand that this topic is sensitive and the people that are most affected are in a place of pain. What u/try_reasonable was getting at was that if you are unable to obtain what you considered to be happiness, redefine happiness. You are recommending …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:08 AM
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Good article though it’s a well known fact that married men live longer, happier lives. I’d be interested to know if it’s causative or correlative. Are these men happier because of the relationship or do happier/fulfilled men have an easier time of attracting an SO? It seems that physically attractive guys with a support network, self confidence, and fulfilling hobbies get the girls. Maybe being happy predicates marriage rather than the other way around? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:56 PM
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Bitterness aside you definitely have a point. Single women have an easier time building support networks and finding validation outside of sex. Maybe if these bottom 20-30% were able to refocus on those types of connections rather than being solely date oriented they’d be able to have a less isolated existence. If at the end of the day they are unable (or unwilling) to make changes to attract an SO, then the only other options are to move the goal post or just wallow in misery. The latter isn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:41 PM
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I don’t think you are addressing his response... Are your complaints valid? Sure, but the whole idea behind MGTOW was to move beyond women and move away from letting them occupy your headspace. This should be a place where men learn and develop themselves. Share successes, hobbies, gains, skills, etc Venting about terrible women is best in r/mtgow r/entitledbitch r/pussypassdenied and the like. For a forum dedicated to living life without females, this sub spends a lot of time obsessing about fe…
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 08:48 PM
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Besides the above and smell? His clothes have to look taken care of. He doesn’t need to spend a ton on what he wears, but he’s got to know not to wear holey, stained, washed out, or stretched out stuff. I don’t have time to teach you how to take care of yourself. You’ve already got a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 08:32 PM
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Then wear them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:51 AM
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I don’t know about it being deliberately hurtful, but I do agree that it’s a bit thoughtless and unhelpful. As stated, I do think is on women to be better communicator if the goal is to have men live up to their expectations. I find it to be a common issue on ppd which is concerning...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:14 AM
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Somewhat agree. I don’t think men are savage beats that can’t control their thirst and I don’t think sex is a primal need to the same degree as hunger, so hypothetically it can be kept in check. If the overarching complaints is that they have no leverage then it is the individual’s responsibility to exhibit control. Semi related note: my head canon is that a part of this whole desperation for women has it’s roots in societal expectations. If you don’t make concerted efforts to accumulate wealth …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:41 AM
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I’m just giving you facts, dear. Even if it’s artificial or temporary, makeup does increase the confidence and beauty of a woman. If you refuse to account for this in your dating life and only consider women at their baseline/without alteration you are just further restricting your prospects. Ladies aren’t going to all the sudden stop using makeup to accommodate you not wanting to adjust. Again, it’s nothing personal, but I really don’t see how arguing the Webster definition actually helps you I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:03 AM
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A good point you have here and I can appreciate that you’ve drawn a much needed distinction. I feel that women will assume the folks here mean partnership with a side of sex rather than viewing them as separate/equal. Keeping this in mind, it is no surprise that there is such a disconnect when discussing the value or need for a partner. Generally, women will be unsympathetic to men who view sex as a need. From our perspective, a man needs to lower a woman’s worth to fulfill this craving (increas…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:56 PM
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Then I apologize as I misunderstood your comment. Based on your response it sounds like you would agree with OP that abusive guys are not worthy of dating? The framing of your post was confusing so forgive me😔
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:07 PM
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I won’t say that is to the same degree for women, but the dating struggle is real for POC. It sucks but not being in line with traditional beauty standards makes it an uphill battle. Since neither heigh nor race are changeable it’s imperative that you cast your net wider and more often. The girls you mentioned sound incredibly rude and like a terrible relationship prospect so consider it a bullet dodged. Who would want to be with someone that shallow/tactless long term?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:29 PM
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Only valid answer in the thread. OP seems to be of the opinion that obtaining a certain number of ‘good boy tokens’ will guarantee a catch. You can increase your odds with work, but you won’t always (or ever in some cases) get a payout. It’s up to the person to determine if the effort is worth it. I also think that if you aren’t utterly committed to self improvement it’s a bit disingenuous to say that the expectation is not possible to hit. Is this unfair? Yes, but I’m not sure that changes anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:19 PM
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On the macro level I’d honestly agree that it’s a guy problem. The value men place on having an SO is so incredibly skewed that women have been given almost all the power in short term/sexual relationships. Because of this, we can pretty consistently shoot above our looksmatch. The bar you face for entry is high and in current state the market is not incentivized to change. I don’t mean to sound unsympathetic because I completely get how unjust this is. Everyone is deserving of love compassion, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:59 PM
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I can appreciate your optimism but the fact of the matter is getting initial dating interest is easier for women. Ignoring this may help you feel better, however it’s not practically useful if the goal is to get a partner. OP’s saying that while everyone is deserving of love, it takes self improvement to attract it. Focus on softmaxxing, stop tying your worth to whether you have a partner, and stay mindful of your mental health. Be the person you want your SO to want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:46 PM
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I agree but I feel that the fixes are easier to hit then some realize. Basics aside (on track with your society’s goal posts based on your age group) you don’t have to spend a ton on clothing or cars to fix the topical things. Take up thrifting to update your wardrobe and put away the stuff that doesn’t fit you well. Take care of your body (exercise, eating, sleep, and sunblock) and mental health. Be mindful of the things women have to do to be considered attractive and try to make similar adjus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:40 PM
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Not to be that person, but I think it’d be more precise to say that the guys in question are below the median. The simple fact is that men on the whole struggle to hit the average woman’s expectations, so those that can are flooded with options. It’s a bit disingenuous to say that most guys are hitting the mark and aren’t struggling when in actuality a lot of guys just don’t realize where the bar is or know how to hit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:27 PM
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You are absolutely right and I agree. I just want to point out the difference in how women generally use the term to describe what they are wanting in a partner. The word ‘hygiene’ is tossed out in almost every one of these threads but it’s clear that folks aren’t actually talking about the same thing. To men, unhygienic is an unwashed, 400lb basement dweller (or something of the sort). To women, unhygienic is someone that does not present themselves as performing sufficient self-care practices.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:19 PM
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This is kind of what I figured...I do think the onus is on OP to use clear descriptors to ensure everyone is on the same page and this user failed to clarify the terms she (I assume) was using. While I agree that by the strictest definition of hygiene you are right (maintenance of your meat suit) and that poor communication is the fault of the poster, it is important to understand that pedantry doesn’t actually help you out in the field. Now to address your points... All else being equal, what c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:09 PM
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My comment wasn’t meant as a value judgement, just clarifying what I view as a discrepancy in terms used. If you are frustrated because you are showering and shampooing, but aren’t getting the attention you feel you deserve then it’s important to realign on the basics to ensure everyone’s on the same page. Women are expected to look nice (showered, shaved, makeup’d, dressed, etc) as a baseline, so I’m struggling to understand male resistance to adhering to the same self-care standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:50 PM
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I think this falls under the personal deficiency/would you date a genderswapped version of yourself portion of their premise. Your response feels like it was made in bad faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:40 PM
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Not to play Devil’s advocate but maybe we are using the term ‘hygiene’ differently? I find that when men think of problematic hygiene they just think unclean, greasy, or stinky, but from my perspective it goes a bit farther. Are his clothes wrinkled? Is the color washed out? Are they tailored to him? He doesn’t have to be trendy, but does he have some fashion sense? Are his hands/nails clean and taken care of? Does he take care of his face (up your sunblock game fellas)? Is his hair well groomed…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:08 PM
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Interesting point, but by your logic men are the ones engaging with these posts. I definitely agree that guys would benefit from not tearing each other down though. In looking at r/niceguys specifically, it looks like the top posts are generated by women however comments sound like they are coming from men. I would assume the vote distribution would follow similar lines, but can’t be sure...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 09:51 PM
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I think you’re being a bit nitpicky on the wording of the last statement. When taken into consideration alongside the rest of the assertions I’d say that OP is on point. As mentioned, women aren’t a monolith and therefore individual preferences have to be accounted for. The claim isn’t that there is a method that will guarantee success with ANY person. The takeaway should be that on the whole, the main things that would mark a person as a HV or LV partner (attractiveness, income, personality, et…
/r/seduction04/06/21 07:50 PM
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Agree here. Women simply aren’t criticized for the same things. Rather than using r/niceguys to contrast r/nicegirls a more apt comparison would be to add r/entitledbitch and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:17 PM
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I disagree here. In the above scenario the woman is at fault for not communicating, but stopping to explain, coach, and redirect can make the experience tedious. Definitely not worth the effort for a one-off. If it isn’t going well it’s generally less work to fake an O, take the L, and stick to long term partners going forward lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:29 PM
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Being creepy and believing in community connectedness are not mutually exclusive. If he’s able to take a ‘no’ in stride 99% of the time, the woman that’s the 1% will consider him a potentially dangerous loser. Not sure where the confusion is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 05:06 PM
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Please correct me if I’m reading you incorrectly, but it seems like you’ve only been on one side of the scenario. I’ve been blessed to have been both a hiring manager and Midwest 5 in the past and I can tell you that being in the position to have to wait to be approached can be rough. Guys have the anxiety associated with the approach, but there’s a reason that subs like FDS have started to preach the ‘be comfortable being alone’ gospel. No one is arguing with the fact that attractive people hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:19 PM
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It sounds like you might have been objectifying/pedestaling women. If you want a literal trophy wife instead of a partner then women able to sniff it out (and don’t have complimenting relationship goals) are going to be understandably turned off. I like to think of the initial meeting as something similar to applying for a job. You don’t stop applying if one company says ‘no’ and a bad interview doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. If you two are a bad fit, move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:38 PM
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If your hypothetical white guy has so much, then a rejection from some random lady shouldn’t matter. Message stays the same: If you take every rejection personally you’re gonna have a bad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:11 PM
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I guess I didn’t make a good enough distinction between being friendly and orbiting. I apologize for that. From my perspective, you have two objectives to accomplish in the initial interaction phases. First you must establish to her that you are a safe, sane person able to recognize and interpret standard social queues. Start a conversation, maintain the conversation, and know when to leave the conversation. I won’t dwell on the first two pieces since I’m sure you’ve had your fill elsewhere here…
/r/seduction29/11/20 11:19 PM
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It’s an empathy flavored paradigm shift and it can be a hard thing to swallow. Congrats on your successful upgrade
/r/seduction27/11/20 03:51 PM
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That... is absolutely fair. I guess in keeping with the theme of the sub I was looking at this in terms of end goal. But you are right in that it is by nature manipulative. I assume if I’m being cold-approached it is the result of some level of attraction and what I described above is the general playbook I can expect from the other party. Is it the level of manipulation that’s indicative of a problematic partner? To me, not really. Without this step, I would find it hard if not impossible to ga…
/r/seduction27/11/20 03:37 PM
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I agree, but I also make it a point to avoid people that would only see me as a meat machine. TBH I think that some of these guys pedestal so hard and so long that objectification just becomes the natural next step. When you focus on one goal for an extended period of time it becomes hard to enjoy the journey. Non-sexual relationships with people outside of your gender are valuable and make you a better, more well rounded person. However, if you can’t enjoy them and find yourself growing angry a…
/r/seduction27/11/20 03:10 PM
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I disagree on this point. I wholeheartedly believe that it’s best to initially present as a friend rather than a sexual partner 99% of the time. Granted this is heavily anecdotal, but going full throttle right out of the gate is how your text chain ends up on cringe subreddits. Be fun, connect on shared interests, and direct the relationship where you’d like to see it go. If your queues aren’t well received, then it’s time to evaluate what you want out of this connection. It’s fine to stay as fr…
/r/seduction27/11/20 12:50 PM
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It doesn’t just warp how you view the opposite sex; after a while it can mold how you turn out. It’s an easy trap to fall into and works both ways. I pretended to love Disturbed for over a decade whilst simping over dudes.
/r/seduction27/11/20 12:39 PM
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I couldn’t agree more and I’m not sure that these are mutually exclusive. The best way to get better at interacting with women is to interact with us more. Since we’re people too, you may be surprised to find that some of us are genuinely enjoyable to be around even if the end goal isn’t to stir our macaroni. Conversely, if you find yourself growing bitter or frustrated because you want to smash, but your friend doesn’t there’s no shame in ejecting. She doesn’t want to hang out with a sourpuss a…
/r/seduction27/11/20 12:35 PM
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So much this. Just as a you are not entitled to sex after X number of validation tasks, women are not entitled to your friendship if you don’t want the same things. Move on, move up Kings.
/r/seduction26/11/20 10:33 PM
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I think it depends where your priorities are in the relationship itself. As I’m scrolling through the top comments, it’s obvious that sexual fulfillment seems to be what these people are trying to achieve. For those that hold the value of their SO’s emotional support, humor, or familiarity in higher esteem I don’t think it’s as big of a deal. Everyone involved just needs to be on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:01 PM
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