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Mate, George puts a lot of effort into this shit, you could at least credit him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 10:04 AM
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To the people who says he gave out good advice about cleaning your room...I'm sure your mum told you that too, it's up there with wipe your arse and wash your hands, it's hardly advice, it's setting quite a low bar. The guy promotes an extreme theistic weirdly judgemental view of the world, and he's clearly the darling of Google's YouTube algorithm. That he is considered an ally to any men is disappointing, even more so because he's a psychologist and should know better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 11:20 AM
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It's nice to hear someone from the USA aggressively make the case for a stronger Labour movement. It would probably be a good idea to incorporate a plan on how you are going to stop the fascists too, as they're currently destabilising the world from your country.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/25 07:06 PM
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I can't speak for others specifically, but for me, and the things I write here, it's essentially about linking capitalist neoliberalism (often united with feminist ideology) and the broad trend of ignoring actual data and evidence to the poor treatment of men. It's a space where people don't instantly react to male problems by prescribing a bit more freedom/guns/capitalism/conservatism/Americanism in an effort to address things. For me I'm economically left wing, not only because I think it woul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 08:50 AM
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Despite Facebook, like most US social media, being a sewer of rage bait I don't find these responses too surprising. Confronting people with information that directly conflicts with their beliefs, particularly when they consider those beliefs part of their identity, will often illicit an aggression response. Which of course increases engagement, and is precisely what Facebook wants.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 06:02 AM
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They are, that's why they are different words mate. One is the person, the other is the ideology. You can be doing feminism without actually being a feminist, and you can be a feminist without doing feminism. I know nuanced thinking has been less popular since Trump took over the hamburger kingdom, but it's not exactly a challenging concept. For example you are arguing against working class solidarity, you are doing capitalism, without necessarily being a capitalist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 06:52 AM
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Indeed, that's what I said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 09:08 PM
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Feminists don't cause men's issues, so they shouldn't take the blame. Their ideology does ignore them, misattribute them, or make them worse though. We definitely should concentrate on class solidarity and fighting capitalism, as they are actually things that could make life better, which makes it a bit rich for a feminist to request that, as their ideology prevents solidarity and blames patriarchy primarily.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 08:51 PM
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In the USA they had the choice between capitalist party A or capitalist party B, and they'll never have any other choice for as long as their empire persists. If they wanted an actual left wing alternative they would absolutely have to unite the working class, which would mean figuring out how to appeal to men again and dropping the habitual alienation, but honestly I think it's more likely that the USA would descend into a right wing capitalist Vs far right religious civil war than ever bother …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/25 10:41 PM
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George is (AFAIK) English center left, which in USA terms is a communist. He (can correct me if I'm wrong) supports healthcare free at the point of use, free tertiary education, keeping the death penalty illegal, and treating everyone with rights, dignity and respect, which puts him economically much further left than the current UK Labour government (nominally a left wing organisation).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:48 AM
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I'm genuinely curious as to where you're from,as in which culture or country? If you're a capitalist there are plenty of right wing spaces to discuss your ideology. I think that healthcare should be free at the point of use (socialism), like it is where I was born, but isn't now where I live. I believe education from preschool all the way to university should be free at the point of use (socialism), like it used to be in my country, but capitalists changed it to saddle is with debt. I think esse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:44 AM
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We don't want anyone to stop speaking out, claiming and cementing human rights is essential. We just don't want to be blamed for them not having those rights in the first place. There is a difference between wanting, as an example, access to birth control, and wanting access to birth control and claiming that it doesn't exist because of a secret conspiracy of men prevent it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:37 AM
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Feminist capitalism is the dominant paradigm in the west, it's not "barely organised", their way of framing things dominates the political and media landscape from Canberra to London. And the USA dragged us into invading Afghanistan because the Taliban asked for evidence Bin Laden masterminded the 9/11 highjackings from their country, and rather than provide it the USA occupied their country for 20 years and killed a shit load of people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 04:29 AM
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If it was to someone genuinely new, I'd tell them to default to Hanlon's razor if they want constructive dialogue. (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity). I'd just replace stupidity with ignorance, to be less offensive. Some feminists simply do not know about, and have never been exposed to the notion of men's problems. On a similar note I'd encourage them to look into the apex fallacy, which shapes the world views of many about men. There are other logical f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 10:53 PM
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You shouldn't pretend to be a thing you're not, it's incredibly psychologically unhealthy, but what is conservative in one culture isn't necessarily so in another, even across the anglophone world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 11:06 AM
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But weird to target a single small ethnic group from England. What do you know of the pre Christian peoples of my island? Edit: I'd wager you couldn't tell a Norman from an Anglo Saxon if your colony depended on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 11:03 AM
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Jessica Pfaffendorf and Terrence Hill, working collaboratively to publish in the Sex Roles journal. Its important when your views of what appropriate masculinity are have been shaped by a dominant feminist /capitalist narrative, to understand the actual impact of what happens to men under that paradigm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 11:34 PM
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You don't have to like Greek philosophy. But trying to imply a link to domestic violence is a stretch. I'd suggest respectfully that you don't know very much about stoicism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 11:25 PM
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Asking for a specific philosophical approach to be cast out is incredibly authoritarian, and you are doing precisely what you claim to want the left to not do. I was quoting the reasoning as laid out in the article I posted. There are those of us on the left who find that stoicism and assertiveness work for us. For me. That's why I stated, at the very beginning, "at a very personal level". You should practice what you preach. You claim to want an improvement in men's mental health because they'r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 11:23 PM
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Indeed, that's why I said personal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 11:12 PM
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"You are not everyone", yes, that's what personal was referring to. And at no point did I claim that stoicism was historically dominant. Edit: I'd also like to stress that there seems to be a distinct difference between what certain people understand stoic to mean and the actual practice and understanding of stoicism. Writing love poetry and living your life according to stoic principles are in no way mutually exclusive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 11:12 PM
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On a very personal level I'm not particularly surprised that people moving away from stoicism and assertiveness is bad for our health. Even if they're socially unpopular they've served me well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 08:22 PM
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We meet locally the third Thursday of every month at the Red Lion. Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps while we hatch next month's devious plot to keep the world taken over.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 10:55 AM
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The "women and children" narrative has been incredibly strong during the attacks on and invasion of Gaza. It implies that all males are combatants, even aid workers, medics, journalists, etc end up being seen as somehow not as worthy as "innocents". It is good that Israel is giving up some of it's hostages too, although they do hold considerably more of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 07:18 PM
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The most wealthy country to have ever existed, with the largest military and economic empire ever created, the USA, is run on right wing principles and is massively wealthy in monetary and resource terms. Yet because of their ideology they refuse to house, clothe, feed, educate or provide medical care to their population. If you can't see the fundamental problem with rightism you might be in the wrong place mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 09:45 PM
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That may be true in your country. To me left wing simply means against capitalism and for people, in favour of healthcare and education free at the point of use, in favour of the right to housing and food, and support for equality before the law. I personally go much further in wanting essential infrastructure and companies to be publicly owned, and for foreign militaries (the USA) to leave our countries so we can actually make left wing changes without the threat of violence hanging over us. Pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 09:36 PM
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The right literally work men to death and have kept generations of us in poverty based purely on ideological grounds. Also their newly developed transphobia has firm links to Feminism, and isn't"just" about not wanting penises in women's bathrooms, it's about scapegoating yet another minority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 09:30 PM
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Luckily one party in one country doesn't get to decide what left wing is. By comparison to a large amount of developed nations the democrats are centre right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 09:24 PM
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First I'd say be the change you want to see. If you genuinely want to be less lonely, or have men be less lonely in general trying and being proactive, create a club or society or group. From martial arts, to D&D, singing, retro video games, drinking tea, it's not impossible to find a hobby and others who share that interest, and honestly men tend towards being more comfortable in a shoulder to shoulder settings, engaging in some form of joint activity. On the non apolitical side wealth inequali…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 08:05 AM
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I'm an atheist, I don't believe in anything that doesn't have evidence to back it up. The patriarchy is a conspiracy theory based on the apex fallacy, and inspired by ideas such as anti Semitic conspiracy theories, and religious notions of original sin. I can even give you something simple to observe to make you question whether you think the patriarchy is real yourself. Find a local WW1 or WW2 memorial and read the names, they'll all have something in common.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 06:00 PM
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Rightists "conservatives" see men as economic units, cattle to be worked for the benefit of the wealthy few. They'll pay lip service to men's problems if it lines their pockets. The left seeks to liberate the working man from this servitude to the wealthy rightists. The trouble is the American "left", which sets the narrative for the American empire (the West) more broadly has also been taken over by rightists capitalist ideology, and now pretends to concentrate on identity politics rather than …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 07:33 PM
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"Cultural shifts, including feminist movements and the push for gender equality, have heightened societal sensitivity to harm against women. While addressing critical issues like workplace harassment, these changes have also perpetuated an imbalance in harm perception." Which is in itself a further shift away from gender equality. It's a difficult question, how do we convince people that male suffering is equally as bad as that of women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 09:43 PM
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If you openly state you believe in conspiracy theories it's going to be difficult to find common ground. If men genuinely held power there would be a system in place, that broadly benefitted us, but by almost all significant metrics men come in second. We work longer hours, we live shorter lives (naturally there are 105 males born for every 100 females, but we only make up 49% of the population), we make up 95% of the prison population, we make up 80% of the victims of stranger violence, male ge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 09:04 AM
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I'm egalitarian, which is fundamental to me being of the left. I'm married to a feminist, and we are able to find common ground politically, but I find quite fundamental parts of the ideology, even it's name to be deeply problematic. "Traditionally" gender roles (these vary wildly between cultures) didn't emerge in a vacuum, they formed over time through choices made by all genders, and while I don't think anyone should be forced to live in a way they don't want to, I also find it hard to imagin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 08:53 AM
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This is the quote from TheTinMan on why he left here..."I left because after bringing this sub back from its black out, and after being made moderator, and single handedly emptying the mod queue, responding to all the complaints, and cleaning up and rebranding the sub in general, I was immediately removed as mod when I was done. The mods sat back and watched me do all that, then got rid of me. I didn't appreciate how my time and effort, having returned this sub to what it was, was just dismissed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 12:30 PM
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Considering he's much much further left than some of the American democrats who consider themselves left wing I don't think that was the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 12:00 PM
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George's content is great, he used to be a mod here, not just post frequently, before the takeover.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 09:10 AM
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The "mainstream left", particularly in the USA, is a lot further right than a lot of people from the traditional left. There's also the issue that all identity politics based beliefs (which have largely emerged through the dominance of the USA particularly in the Anglosphere) are in direct conflict with working class solidarity, and I no longer think that's entirely an accident. If you have any political movement that is nominally left wing but they seek to exclude certain groups of the working …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 09:31 PM
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I'm left wing, in that I think capitalism is a failed and dangerous ideology, and I think that housing, education, medical care, basic utilities and food should be provided to everyone, regardless of how wealthy they are, and that for the most part these services should be publicly owned and run, not left up to old fashioned ideologies of the market. I also think that capitalism, and other right wing ideologies, ruthlessly exploit working class men, sending us to an early grave to furnish the we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/24 08:20 AM
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If you frame it as assault on a child and mutilation without consent then 100% of it is comparable. Baby boys can get infections or other complications from the procedure, resulting in full or partial loss of the penis, and sometimes death. Any unnecessary act that "sometimes" kills babies is absolutely unacceptable, you don't need to get drawn in to the dubious comparison of specific physiological components. It's purely a matter of equality, genital mutilation, of all children, should be illeg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 08:36 PM
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Just for clarity I'm not American, but they (the USA) does essentially dictate the political landscape for the rest of their empire, so I'm invested in their political outcomes. It strikes me as utterly bizarre that's it's taken this long for "left wing" politicians in the USA to realise that they're leaving men behind, and that might not be a good idea. It's why I hate identity politics, like feminism, because it effectively undermines any chance of working class solidarity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/24 11:31 AM
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It's really odd that you guys blame a "coloniser" for your current laws. The British empire hasn't existed for 80 years. If you had stayed part of Britain then not only would homosexually not be illegal, but gay marriage would also have been made legal. The current state of affairs of independent countries is their own choice, and can't be blamed on an empire long dead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 11:07 PM
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Considering Pakistan has been independent from the British empire for ~80 years I think it's time they took responsibility for their own laws.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 11:04 PM
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It's better than nothing, but it's sad to see that policies can't be just directed at men, for them to be seen as acceptable they have to be directed at (insert subgroup here) men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 07:28 PM
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The sample size is admittedly small, and the researchers scrabbling for hypothesis here is more than a little offensive. "The researchers speculated that men and women may have different norms and behaviors when it comes to phone use. For example, women may be more conscious of social etiquette, using their phones more selectively during conversations, which might mitigate the negative impact on social connectedness. Another possibility is that women might use their phones in more socially conne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/24 10:49 PM
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I've managed to slowly condition myself to replace the term "Western" with American Empire, as it makes more sense, and is less euphemistic. It's been standard practice since the second world war for foreigners from the USA to interfere with other countries and push their agenda, which often complies with their constitution, and their right wing capitalist ideology, not our human rights. They've been pushing male disposability incredibly hard, sought to normalise non religious male genital mutil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/24 11:57 PM
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Science doesn't generalise in the way you think it does, and if you think it does I'd argue you haven't fully understood what has been said (Misleading newspaper headlines covering scientific subject abound, and you shouldn't bloody trust them). Give an example and I'll try to illuminate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 12:18 AM
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Is there any actual proof of that claim? Even if true (my Mrs evidently didn't get the hypergamy memo) the best you could attempt to say is "women tend to be more hypergamous", but only Vs men, and without seriously solid cross cultural evidence and a supremely honed definition of what is meant by hypergamy I think you'd struggle t o claim your evidence had scientific merit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 12:16 AM
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I can't think of any actual examples. The closest is Jewish people (ethnicity), and Judaism (the religion). Just don't be sloppy, specify your point is against the ideology not the person due to immutable characteristics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 12:09 AM
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Let's try to keep things evidence based, and we'll all be ok.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/24 09:04 PM
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The notion of the draft (we call it conscription) is bizarre in the modern world, and I'd happily argue that forcing people of any gender into military service is against modern western values. The fact that it still exists is a product of a more general sense, pushed by both capitalists and feminists, of male disposability. It's why men are expected to step up and put themselves in harms way, both at home and abroad, why mens genitals aren't worth protecting from mutilation, why men are made to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/24 04:12 AM
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That headline is a lot like saying capitalism should have empathy for working class men. It's fundamentally opposed to what it's all about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 02:43 AM
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*Socially Darwinist, Darwin actually made it pretty clear that "fittest" included the ability to work together as a group, colony or society. Like many things right wingers who believe in survival of the fittest don't understand the fundamental science behind what they're saying, because they think they found an idea that backed up what they already believed and didn't think to take the time to check if they were correct or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:02 PM
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As a fellow older European I'm genuinely curious as to what leftist dogma you're referring to OP. The "dogma" of the Democrat party of the USA is fundamentally different to the "dogma" of the Labour party of England and Wales, and is again fundamentally different to the "dogma" or the Labor party of Australia, so assuming that the left is some homogeneous dogmatic blob is about as sensible as assuming all men are some homogeneous dogmatic blob. I'm personally further left than all the above ment…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 08:57 PM
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I'm European, and it's not weird because he's European. Leave the racism out mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 08:50 PM
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You're not alone, you're not going mad, you're not sexist for noticing that certain parts of modern life fuck men pretty hard too, and you're quite correct in noticing that there's a level of anti male rhetoric in modern society contributing to suicidal thoughts and feelings. Welcome brother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 08:55 PM
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I absolutely support you being here. This is a space for everyone who is a left wing male advocate. How others identified you when you were born, or how you identify now isn't particularly relevant, anyone can be left wing, anyone can advocate for men. I find the insights of trans people (including you OP) absolutely fascinating. Having insight into multiple personal perspectives of how people are treated because of how they present publicly is really useful to hear. It's so important to acknowl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 12:50 AM
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In brief, I think trans right are human rights and that TERFs should get in the bin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 11:16 PM
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Shoe can be okay, but has come out with some pretty openly racist shit against English people in her videos, which, as an Anglisc, I took rather personally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 05:39 AM
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Noone, apart from the Fascist commanders in Italy, Germany, Japan and the other Axis powers, truly "deserved" to die in the second world war. However I think that the impact of differing choices and tactics shouldn't be underestimated. Before I discuss raw numbers I admit heavy bias, the Japanese kept my uncle as a prisoner for 5 years, starving, torturing, and beating him. The Germans tried shooting and bombing my Grandmother, repeatedly. My home city still has to regularly deal with leftover G…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 06:33 AM
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Did you just refer to Animal Farm, a George Orwell novel, as "old cartoon"? Jesus man, go and have a read, learn some history.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 02:09 AM
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Thanks, in restrospect I should have included human rights generally. I wouldn't however include "civil liberties" as that's something of an Americanism, and I certainly wouldn't include the United Nations, as I agree with it in principle but functionally it serves to prop up the international capitalist hegemony, primary keeping countries like the USA and China in positions of disproportionate power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 02:06 AM
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By "Up Vs Down" are you referring to authoritarianism versus anarchism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 05:23 AM
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It's not a huge shock that in the developed world men are seeking refuge in right wing populism, as they offer easy answers to mens complicated problems, often blaming immigrants, like me, refugees, Muslims, etc. Conveniently never looking up and addressing the massive increase in wealth inequality. The left in many western countries have also dropped the ball somewhat by trying to bend over backwards to appease feminists, while essentially ignoring the very real problems every day working men f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 05:19 AM
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It's different depending on country and culture, but I'll explain what makes me left wing, and maybe that will help. I believe that capitalism as an ideology is inefficienct, deliberately cruel, and fundamentally unscientific. I believe in state funded and owned education, healthcare, military, police, essential infrastructure such as public transport, communications, and electricity. I think that everyone is entitled to a liveable minimum wage, paid holiday, sick pay, and weekends or their equi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/24 09:59 PM
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Doesn't unfettered capitalism tread on pretty much everyone that isn't rich?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/24 11:47 PM
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There is no patriarchy, it's a conspiracy theory created by feminists to ignore the parts of equality they don't want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 10:09 PM
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I say are you living in the 1950s? I'm 40, and was taught by both school and family to look after myself and my home, and equality was fundamental to our culture, so of course we are allies of queer folk. I also think it should be up to the individual if they are happier in a relationship or not. Sure encourage independence and resilience, but we have evolved to prefer bonded pairing, to develop close family units, and denying that may well be as harmful as being overly reliant on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 10:08 PM
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TLDR, Men (in the UK) get 2 weeks paternity leave, women get 39 weeks. Some Dads, unsurprisingly, would like more time to be able to bond with their children.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 06:56 PM
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Interesting, grim, and yet another little slice of evidence making the "males were privileged for all of history" narrative look like absolute nonsense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 05:35 PM
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Just an FYI, with a wider perspective, neoliberalism is right wing, as is bowing to corporate interests. If you don't like the democrats doing that it's because they're (by the standards of the rest of the west) at best a centre right party.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 01:08 AM
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I feel the same, I don't think anything short of a miracle will change my position on healthcare, housing and education being the right of everyone on the planet, but the left wing parties in both anglophone countries I've lived in spend much more time padering to feminist conspiracy theories and fear mongering than they do trying to reduce inequality or improving living standards. It feels like international socialism has been taken over by idpol obsessed idiots who broadly support capitalism p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 01:04 AM
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There are variations of certain therapeutic approaches that do exactly this. It's referred to as "shoulder to shoulder" therapy. Often involves a shared, easily accessible, activity, like walking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 08:13 AM
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Welcome brother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 09:46 PM
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Another small step in the right direction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/24 10:30 PM
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It's nearly impossible, as a minority, to get women to even acknowledge that domestic violence against men exists. Even harder still to obtain funding to protect us from it. In contrast there is nearly limitless resource allocation for women's needs in society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 01:10 PM
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As I said elsewhere, about fucking time. Small steps are better than no steps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 11:11 AM
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A solid and well reasoned argument. Sadly I'm not sure that a man would be permitted the freedom to make such a point on the ABC, but it's important it was made nonetheless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/24 02:28 AM
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I've had a few discussions with moderate feminists about how it feels an awful lot like feminism was almost designed to destroy left wing/working class solidarity. Combined with the fact that feminist capitalism now forces households to rely on two full time incomes to function as opposed to one, it does feel an awful lot like an organised opposition to the international workers movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/24 08:17 AM
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Before the recent change of Mods a large amount of content on here was multi platform.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 08:44 AM
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Helping prosecutions and civil action towards those involved with male genital mutilation. Holding religious organisations, governments, and parents to account for child abuse is the only way it will ever stop.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/24 05:59 AM
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Don't let others define what masculinity is, or define how "manly" you feel. They're gatekeeping something that doesn't belong to them. There is no shared masculinity in anglophone nations, let alone the west or the wider world. Anyone that tries to create a predefined man box is probably doing so out of a sense of deeper insecurity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/24 12:21 PM
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For context I teach martial arts, specifically geared towards self protection/self defense. My clients tend to be curious martial artists, or men who work in dangerous jobs, like teachers, mental health nurses, security personnel etc. I feel relatively safe around men, largely because of the extent of my experience and training. However to get that feeling of relative safety takes a huge amount of time, training, and ongoing threat assessment and situational awareness. Socially however I definit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/24 04:43 AM
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49%, they live longer than us, and as a consequence it turns us into a minority group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 09:33 PM
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Patriarchy is a conspiracy theory, with identical logic to the "Jews run the world" conspiracy theory. The whole idea is offensive, unhelpful, and historically revisionist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 09:51 PM
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While I despise the Daily Mail, this is quite a clear cut example of extreme pro female bias in the criminal justice system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/24 11:49 AM
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“There are dangers around devaluing girls’ wellbeing if ‘emotional’ girls are seen as unfairly advantaged and taking up time and support for mental health difficulties at the expense of boys, who are seen as particularly ‘at risk’ and a hidden problem.” Interesting, sad, and unsurprising that boys not recieving proper mental health support is portrayed in a way that explains the potential impact on girls. Also the sample size is a joke, and results should be taken with a heavy pinch of salt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/24 09:10 PM
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Note how they all also seem to believe men are not a minority, despite us making up 49% of the population, because we live shorter lives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/24 02:30 AM
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It's really interesting that a "rule" was created, socially I assume, to ask express permission. Of course physical care ntact should only be made with consent, but I don't grab people to hug them, or shake their hand, I offer open arms or an extended hand, they choose the contact, therefore giving consent. It's less awkward, particularly in social settings, than having to explicitly ask.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/24 11:27 PM
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I second this. I had to explain to a medical doctor (female GP), that "man spreading" wasn't a thing, I just happened to have testicles, and if my legs moved any closer together while sitting down my thighs would squish them. The spread wasn't about male dominance of physical space, it was about avoiding crushing my own nadgers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 08:34 PM
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The way you've been treated is absolutely shitty and entirely unacceptable. I (only one voice I know) assertively try and reclaim the left wing space alone that is inclusive, accepting and with the notion of solidarity at its core. Any ideology, particularly including identity politics, that deliberately excluded anyone, or which makes gross generalisations of entire groups of people based on immutable characteristics, does not belong in left wing spaces. We should retake or recreate them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 12:36 AM
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Or switch out man/men with Jew/Jews , and see if it passes the sniff test. If it sounds awfully anti Semitic then it's probably sexist in it's original form. Some kinds of bigotry have become socially acceptable, we should all work to stamp that shit right out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/24 10:22 PM
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Nothing says "I'm not taking this tribunal seriously" like using it as an extension of your performative art.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/24 09:05 AM
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I know it's "only" art, and it's "only" a little bit of the museum, but its pretty clear cut and unjustifiable discrimination right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/24 07:08 AM
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This study proves that we use that part of the brain for multiple tasks, like most parts of the brain. Anyone reading further into it than that is drawing conclusions it isn't possible to reasonably make. You could just as easily claim that men see tools like they do women, and that they womanify inanimate objects. Of course, that's why we give ships, boats and cars female names. My car is called Keith however, read from that what you will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 06:57 AM
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Again, a formerly left wing party manages to push away white working class men in spectacular fashion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 11:53 PM
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Shoe on head? She's repellantly racist when it comes to people from the UK, not really sure shes much of an advocate for me tbh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/24 09:56 PM
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I'd invite you to talk here, as an alternative to lonely bitterness. The banhammer is relatively infrequently used here afaik, you'll mostly get firm disagreement from users if you post something people find objectionable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/24 06:41 AM
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I literally couldn't afford to take that leave if I wanted to. It's pitifully low. Do you gents get any?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/24 08:30 AM
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On a fundamental level, my being left wing comes first, and that inclines me towards solidarity. Welcome brother. We might not have the same experiences, but that means we can learn from each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 08:31 AM
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It's a valid criticism. This study was limited to participants from the USA and the UK. Both multicultural societies. It would be absolutely valid to look at similar data from other countries, but all studies have to be limited in some way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 02:00 AM
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As with many people who believe in the partiarchy conspiracy theory, you're falling for the apex fallacy. Look at the total war dead by gender, prison population by gender, life expectancy, and rates of reproduction (who has children Vs those that don't) worldwide. Both historically and globally, men have suffered hugely, it's simply convenient for those that push the conspiracy to point at the few at the top and claim they represent the whole. It's the same evil and flawed reasoning used by ant…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 01:54 AM
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I think there could be other hypothesis worth testing to see if they fit better for this observation, however the fact that there doesn't seem to be an "in group" preference by men I find quite telling, and potentially quite a useful thing to bear in mind when dealing with others who may assume we have one. "Interestingly, the sex of the participant did not significantly alter the strength of this aversion. Both men and women exhibited similar levels of negative reactions to male-favoring findin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 07:12 PM
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I'm going to make an assumption, which may be well off the mark, but are you American? There is no homogeneous "white" race, the lives and experiences of an English man differ greatly from an Icelandic man, and a Greek man, but for some inexplicable reason we're all lumped in together, often by people who are ignorant of our different cultures and histories. As far as addressing disadvantages, in the UK "white" (read Anglo Saxon, but we're not really allowed to call ourselves that because the Br…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 12:05 AM
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I'm glad other people think along these lines, understanding the flaws of anti male reasoning provides a sound basis for arguing against these positions. You missed my favourite logical fallacy that they use, the "apex fallacy", this occurs when someone evaluates a group based on the performance of best group members, not a representative sample of the group members. It's also the same logical fallacy that those who assert white privilege exists are falling for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 09:38 PM
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It can be hard for people from the USA to comprehend, but speaking as someone who racists (often from the USA) label as white, and as someone who is also indigenous (Meon Wara) "anti-white racism", (also known as "racism" in my language) absolutely exists. Also having lived in a majority queer community, heterophobia also absolutely exists. It's one of the failings of the modern left, having been dominated in the Anglosphere by Americanised rhetoric, they (we) have left white, working class, in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 08:08 PM
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"White" people absolutely do get killed by the police. It's just not reported on as often because it doesn't function so well as rage bait. Even in the deeply racist USA white people are killed more by police than certain other ethnicities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 07:50 PM
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Andrew Tate is the bearer of a cancerous ideology, but he's a symptom, not the cause. Labour, who used to be a left wing party, are going to try addressing men's issues by...trying to create state funded influencers to educate boys about not being so misogynistic. Not addressing any of our issues, not improving outcomes, just teaching us to buy into feminism a little more. Smh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 02:27 PM
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I think it's important to highlight human rights abuses and suffering for all people. It does however appear that men and boys are often left out, which feeds into the general narrative of disposability. Just because you happen to be a male, or an adult male, in a combat zone, does not make you a combatant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 06:35 AM
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For me it's happened, multiple times in multiple jobs and social settings. The worst environments being, for me, working in retail and working nightclub security. Women seemingly felt absolutely entitled to grope me as they wished.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 10:06 PM
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It's not my country, or my legal system, and I think the overturning of Roe V Wade was measurably a bad thing for public health, but I don't agree with you OP that single gender abortion rights are fundamentally left wing. Access to healthcare, free at the point of use, equally, for all. That's left wing. I'll advocate for that, for men, women and non binary alike. For me that isn't a grey area. However giving women (and only women) the right to choose creates a fundamental power imbalance, part…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:37 AM
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Considering what the far right government has done to men for the past 14 years in the UK, I'm honestly pretty surprised by this. It shows how destructive the feminist narrative has become. Sadly they'll use information like this to confirm their existing prejudice, rather than try and regulate their conspiracy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 06:43 AM
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I am fully aware that people find me intimidating. I used to try to be more softly spoken, avert my gaze, and be less assertive to accomodate their fear and insecurity. But I got old and stopped giving a shit, and recognised that acting in a way that is true to myself is healthier, particularly for my mental health. If people cross the road to get away from me now, I look at them the same way I would if they did it because someone was black, the problem is their prejudice, not my existence. I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 10:55 PM
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In the UK (it's very consistent elsewhere) 80% of victims of stranger violence are men. But public discourse would have us all believe that life is only dangerous for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 10:47 PM
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I, (and I'm sure you) am massively in favour of clear, effective, consent education, for everyone. Sadly as with many things in Australia, there is a deep prejudice baked in to this approach, to the extent they even anticipate push back against their efforts, without realising that simply making things gender neutral, or equal, would eliminate much of it. Education about consent is extremely important and useful. Teaching boys that they are a problem from an early age is incredibly dangerous and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/24 05:43 PM
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No prison time. She betrayed her country, took advantage of her position of power and authority, laundered money for organised crime, and sent them information on ongoing investigations. The sentencing disparity between men and women is stark, I simply cannot imagine a man walking free from this situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/24 05:30 PM
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I'm rarely met with hostility in person, I often get befuddlement or an attempt to explain to me how I obviously don't understand the finer nuances of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/24 09:17 AM
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TLDR: Having a larger group of friends protects men's mental health. Having meals with friends and engaging in physical activity with friends was found to be of particular benefit. A quote from the tail end of the abstract: "Programs designed to strengthen men's investment in social networks are recommended to reduce men's depressive symptoms".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/24 10:30 PM
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"Professor Olga Jurasz, Professor of Law at The Open University and Director of the Observatory on Online Violence Against Women" There is your problem. If all you have is a hammer...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/24 04:02 AM
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It's hard to disagree with you, particularly looking at the ideology, the outcomes and its alliance with global capitalist forces. But there are many (perhaps most) feminists who describe themselves as left wing, so they identify as left while acting right. And I'm (personally) trying to figure out a way to unbake that cake, if at all possible. Ideally by convincing feminists to become egalitarian and rejoin actual left wing movements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/24 11:48 PM
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I first saw this posted on r/europe, the discussion there showed that these experiences were definitely not limited to Spain. There was also a strong indication that the response to this treatment is going to be a lurch to the right politically. The entirely predictable consequence of mainstreaming of feminist ideas taking over what used to be left wing egalitarian spaces. I'm personally very interested in developing an economically left wing alternative argument, which rejects feminism and iden…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/24 11:24 PM
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I understand those that advocate this as a solution are well meaning, but essentially telling boys they are so thick they need to be held back a year isn't going to help the situation. If girls were falling this far behind the education system would be redesigned to meet their needs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 11:41 PM
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Although it won't shift the hard core believers, this is the kind of evidence, in my opinion, best used to refute the patriarchy conspiracy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 07:07 PM
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I'm far (far) left. I get to decide what masculine is to me. I embrace the effects of testosterone. I like my size, my beard, my strength, my sex drive. I enjoy working out and martial arts. I think it's ok to be angry, aggressive, furious, wrathful, stoic, calm, loving, caring, kind, all where appropriate, they have their place. Idpol pretend lefties don't get to dictate shit to me about how I express my true nature. I advocate for human rights, male equality, free healthcare, education, improv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 08:56 AM
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I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I honestly fear that as more people that get into the profession who believe in the patriarchy conspiracy theory then it will put more of us at risk of harm. It's also yet another area of gainful employment where men are being pushed out, without so much as a whisper from the government. If the tables were turned there would be outcry at the unfairness and sexism of it all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/24 12:27 AM
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This is evidently a pretty consistent trend. I struggle to imagine this will be of any benefit to the sentencing and prison population disparity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 08:35 PM
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I call it (in my head) the Semitic switch sniff test. An academic probably has a more succinct term. If you switch out the outgroup for Jewish people, and parse the idea, or if you switch genders, or to a different skin colour, and the notion sounds dodgy, bigoted, or downright offensive, then it's a good indicator that something is up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 12:28 AM
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I think that largely depends on your culture mate. I've got plenty of friends at clubs that I meet up at the pub with, I've no particular interest in asking them about that aspect of their private life. If people want to tell me, that's fine, but who people want to romance isn't really any of my business.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 06:04 AM
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Often, yes, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. It does seem that all of the contenders or the oppression Olympics exist to justify thinly veiled discrimination towards white straight men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 04:02 AM
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If people refer to themselves or their friends as LGBTQ+ and you don't have the opportunity or inclination to find out specifically which part of the alphabet people belong to I think it's absolutely fair to continue using that label.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 11:30 PM
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Could you explain how you define or identify an "oppressed" group?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 11:24 PM
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Thanks, I was a bit confused by that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 04:57 AM
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One of the points I try to make to left wing friends that are well on the identity politics train, is that if you don't start listening to men, if you carry on painting then as a villain in a conspiracy theory, they become easy pickings for the right, who only have to pay lipservice to men's issues to get them to follow. I genuinely feel that feminism, critical race theory, and intersectionality theory generally serve only to divide the left, preventing any realistic chance of international work…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/24 04:41 AM
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It's half true...it definitely impacts public perception, skews the discussion, and creates an (even more) unfair legislative environment. However women are prosecuted for sexual assault instead, it's not that they get away with shit entirely. Also an FYI this applies only to England and Wales, so not the UK or "Britain", as Scotland and NI have different legal systems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/24 12:47 PM
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I mean, define conservative? The far right conservative party in my homeland treat everyone equally fucking terribly, unless you're rich, then they'll shower you with honours.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/23 04:12 AM
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Feminism, the belief that everyone should be equal, where everyone is defined as women, and equal is defined as having all of the perceived perks of being male with absolutely none of the risks or responsibilities. Oh, and a belief in a gendered conspiracy theory called "patriarchy" that borrows heavily from old fashioned anti semitism and catholic original sin dogma.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 09:27 AM
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Fair point, I think we're generally expected to express guilt, just for being male, particularly for being white and male. But you're right, we're encouraged so show sadness, to a masculine degree. Still I hold that guilt and sadness are the only really permissable emotions in our feminised society, you may get dumped for crying, but you're not going to get arrested. Raise your voice in frustration however, and state violence may be your reward.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/23 06:16 AM
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Everyone, where appropriate, should open up about their problems and show emotion. However people in general, not just feminists, seem reluctant to let men experience our full range of emotion, going so far as to criminalise those who lose the energy required for the emotional labour of self suppression. Hostility to a hostile environment is a valid reaction, rage, fury, anger, resentment, wrath, lust, hate, envy, these are all valid parts of the humen experience. The trouble is when people say …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/23 05:22 AM
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I'm glad it could help mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/23 05:07 AM
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It's important to be aware that although there is a problem with certain ideologies clouding research in psychology, it is not all pervasive. There is some solid work being done, and people are aware of the gaps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/23 08:33 PM
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One of the things that most gets up my nose about the feminist account of history is the absolute disservice it does to all the women. They had as much intelligence, strength of character, and perseverance as they do today. Claiming they were all universally oppressed robs the ordinary woman of her place in history. In my culture the women were warriors, witches (before Christians came from the east and made that a bad thing) farmers and homemakers, then in medieval society they ran businesses m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:43 PM
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TLDR: Attack the idea, not the person. I do have one gripe though, I don't think traditional views on, or roles of, gender, are inherently bad, or sexist (sexism is less loaded than misandry or misogyny, and also more widely understood). Not only are they extremely different between cultures, but there is a reason they have functioned well for thousands of years, the problem comes from changing roles based on arbitrary ideology, without an actual plan, evidence, or indeed care for any unintended…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:08 PM
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Happy to take part in research.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 10:54 PM
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Surprising precisely no-one here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 05:37 PM
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“Based on traditional gender ideologies, we would expect that sexual disagreements are associated with relationship instability more strongly among men than among women" Hell of an assumption to make there champ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/23 09:50 PM
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The study is clear about the limitations, particularly with sample matching, but it is interesting that there is more evidence that the "patriarchy" , or "healthcare benefits men" narratives are somewhat lacking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/23 09:44 PM
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Have never heard of, and still don't know, what AWDTSG even is brother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/23 07:14 PM
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I'm not sure which countries definition of "liberal" you're using, so I'll leave that. But it isn't "lefty" women. Women on the left believe in class solidarity, proper education and healthcare etc, rightist women believe in more capitalism, which kills an awful lot of men. The trouble is left wing spaces have been invaded by Tumblr types that push patriarchy conspiracy shite and ignore any attempts at actual solidarity. Men are lonely because of a combination of capitalism and feminism strippin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/23 09:05 AM
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*en masse. It's French brother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/23 11:20 AM
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*act promiscuously. Or act in a promiscuous way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/23 06:32 AM
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It's not a "wild take". The patriarchy doesn't exist. Are women disadvantaged in some aspects of life? Absolutely. But so are men. And both men and women are responsible for that. White privilege doesn't exist. Are ethnic minorities in white majority countries disadvantaged in some aspects of life? Absolutely. So are white people. Both Black and White people are responsible for that. My left wing beliefs are focused on everyone have free education, healthcare, housing, UBI and having their unive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 10:38 PM
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Being left wing is about solidarity, idpol organisations such as BLM frame the world as "Black Vs White", based upon the notion of white privilege, which is just the patriarchy but for race. It's a racist conspiracy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:42 PM
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I believe in free education, free healthcare, housing as a human right, UBI, the universality of human rights, which includes men. I also believe that the patriarchy is a dangerous sexist conspiracy theory, and that male genital mutilation and the generally accepted view of male disposability is disgusting and needs to be fought against. I'd happily argue that if you're right wing, and seek to ruthlessly exploit working class men, you can't really be a male advocate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:39 PM
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Today I learned about a new (to me) brand of sexism. So thanks, I guess. As an outsider it seems like black American men get a raw deal from all sides, I suppose it's too much to ask that black women support them. As part of the left it's important that we show, and offer, solidarity to everyone. Making behavioural assumptions based on race, ethnicity or culture is so twentieth century. Let's call out these extremist women for what they are, deeply sexist, and evidently deeply racist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/23 09:03 PM
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It's known as the "Apex fallacy".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 11:04 AM
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How you interact with your family, and what treatment you think is acceptable, is your business. I would however call out the commitment to the patriarchy conspiracy theory. Take a look at prison population figures, war deaths, work related deaths, or global average life expectancy. There is no secret plan to benefit males, it is a divisive sexist conspiracy theory used to justify the continuation of using men as disposable meat sacks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 08:49 PM
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To be honest I'm not even sure there are any traditional masculine aesthetics or behaviours. A huge amount of how American men behave, as an example, I would consider ungentlemanly, it's cultural, not really confined by gender alone. People should be free to dress and act how they please, and I don't think pigeon holing one thing as masculine and another feminine is terribly helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/23 08:20 PM
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Ava can be a fairly solid journalist, and is actually left leaning, however this exchange shows how toxic feminist ideology is, that calling for equality can be met with near open ridicule, even around topics such as suicide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 09:30 PM
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Although I think you make a solid argument for rape culture, in different forms and certain contexts, existing, I find the phrase to be supremely unhelpful, it's right up there with "toxic masculinity". It encourages a degree of collective guilt, and collective responsibility, that simply shouldn't exist, and runs the risk of alienating men from the outset, which can prevent action being taken to tackle fixable problems, like the rape kit backlog. It requires funding, and advocacy, which is best…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 03:35 PM
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Well that's incredibly unhelpful and extremely sexist. It's really not rocket science to offer genuine support in a gender neutral way, but it does require actually acknowledging the harassment, assault and rape can go both ways. It's awful this is what you're faced with when looking for a bit of support. For what it's worth we're here for you, we can't offer much but we can listen and let you know you're seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 03:34 AM
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Men'sLib is ideologically too restrictive IMO, it's either feminist orthodoxy or bust, which drastically limits the scope of any conversation to the point that it seems like a performative space more than a constructive one. As for your issues with feeling alienated from masculinity, I'd be interested to hear how you're defining masculinity, and what it is that is making you feel like it isn't a good fit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 05:01 PM
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While I agree that objectification is indeed a real thing, and can be problematic in many different contexts, I don't think that feminists either get to define or own it. Women shouldn't be treated as, for example, walking sex dolls, and men, as another example, shouldn't be treated like workhorses. We, collectively, should all agree that objectification can be a bad thing, and we should be aware of it happening, however it is neither owned by, nor defined by, feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/23 10:31 PM
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It's nice to see at least some people bringing this up, and pointing out the hypocrisy. The left has lost the notion of solidarity and traded it for the intensely American identity politics, we really need to reaffirm that fighting corporate oligopoly is for everyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/23 02:35 AM
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I've seen three different psychologists. They were all helpful, to varying degrees, at the very least providing me with some third party insight. However...too many of them are women, too many let their feminist ideology cloud their view of reality, and my god do they excel at creating middle class hippy style environments. Cushions, candles, pastel coloured fucking everything. As a working class man it was almost comical, they may as well have had a big sign up saying "this environment wasn't d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/23 08:54 AM
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I do two things, pretty much every day. I advocate for specific change that I think is important, in my case the banning of male genital mutilation, and I enter into discourse to deradicalise people, either showing feminists that we all deserve love, respect, and recognition of our humanity or showing hate filled young men that there is another way. I can't change the world by myself, but I can have conversations that slowly shift the balance of perception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/23 09:02 PM
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I'm moving further left as I get older, but that's because the far right have been fucking over men in my country for over a decade.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 09:18 AM
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The left (a broad church, but in my Anglospheres it's largely the Labour party or the Greens) doesn't really use traditional methods of connecting with, or even attempting to represent men, particularly white working class men. Which is a shame, considering who started the labour movement. The "left" should drop idpol, as a bare minimum survival tactic. We need solidarity, not division based on immutable characteristics, to make any meaningful progress in stamping out the world extremes of the l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 08:59 AM
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I'll continue to advocate for men's rights, human rights, and worker solidarity. I don't hate women, my favourite person is a woman, even though she does snore quite loudly. There are plenty here who could do with a public relations polish to not come off as women hating, we need to be better than feminists to make progress. More reasoned, more compassionate, more informed, and more patient. Feminists can be deradicalised.
/r/MensRights01/08/23 05:23 PM
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It's how capitalists control us. Constantly push identity politics to make sure we can never collectively organise and say "fuck this shit". They force genders, races, nationalities, immigrants gration status, sexual orientation, absolutely any way of dividing us into ever smaller groups fighting each other.
/r/MensRights01/08/23 05:04 PM
16

The left is foolish for embracing idpol and ignoring 49% of the population. The men who support the conservatives are going to sorely disappointed when they realise the right also don't give a flying fuck about them, and just see them as meat to be ruthlessly exploited for profit.
/r/MensRights01/08/23 10:21 AM
11

Sorry, which country?
/r/MensRights01/08/23 03:44 AM
1

Assuming this is asked in good faith, genuine attempts at deradicalisation have to come from a place of understanding, empathy, and mutual respect. It is possible, it does however take time, patience and persistence.
/r/MensRights31/07/23 11:53 AM
6

13 years of the same shitty government prioritising filling their pockets and harping on about how evil the (male) asylum seekers are,, while steadily increasing the amount of men sleeping rough, and having to visit food banks. The far right love making life more difficult for working class men.
/r/MensRights29/07/23 10:06 PM
13

I'd start my letter "Dear sexist, racist cunt..." and go from there.
/r/MensRights29/07/23 05:39 AM
1

You can use dating sites successfully, despite what the basement dwelling luddites assert. You have to be honest, know exactly what type of romantic situation you're looking for, and treat it like a mass marketing campaign. You'll get ignored or rejected 99% of the time, and that's fine, it's not personal, if you want to find a partner keep plugging away, just accept that success isn't necessarily guaranteed. The situation, like many others, is heavily weighted in women's favour, so you have to …
/r/MensRights27/07/23 10:54 PM
3

A lot of the third spaces where men and women would traditionally meet have been shut down/removed or people have been priced out of participation in the UK.
/r/MensRights27/07/23 10:46 PM
-5

I don't think you understand what trans is. Also it's a couple of the large religions and people from the USA that seem keen on male genital mutilation without consent.
/r/MensRights27/07/23 10:40 PM
2

I mean, that was my point. 12 years of the far right pushing their feminist policies and opinions.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 12:26 AM
4

12 years of far right government have pushed the sexist feminist agenda to new great heights.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 03:08 AM
-4

12 years of far right government, this is what it gets you.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 03:04 AM
2

As a "leftist" I'm not infiltrating anywhere. Imo the rightists, AKA capitalists are the ones who exploit men the world over. Force us to spend our lives doing shitty dangerous jobs for low pay, treat us as disposable meat for their profit machine. Both countries I've lived in have become increasingly feminised, increasingly capitalist, and have been ruled by the far right for years (9 years and 12 years). Rightists have brought in laws to surpress basic freedoms, like freedom of expression, see…
/r/MensRights09/07/22 08:50 PM
4

If you're an adult, and you chose to do it, then great, more power to you. If you're an adult and you choose to do it to a child, IMO that's genital mutilation, and should, in every civilised country, be considered child abuse.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:24 AM
16

This guy is, I would argue, the number one asset to the Men's rights movement. Well researched, thoughtful, and seemingly only motivated by fairness, not spite
/r/MensRights30/06/22 09:58 PM
5

Not sure her physical appearance is terribly relevant bud.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:15 AM
-2

I understand the idea, but in most developed countries people don't have to pay for healthcare.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 11:22 PM
2

The Daily Mail is bottom tier "journalism". I wouldn't take them too seriously, they did support the Nazis after all.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:53 AM
12

Child abuse should be a crime. Permanently disfiguring a child should be an aggravating factor.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 11:29 AM
5

And the conservative Americans.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 11:27 AM
51

I fully support our US brothers pushing for equal reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 11:22 AM
2

The reimbursement is for partners and dependents too, and to take one support person. So it's for us too. What the yanks should be questioning is why is basic medical care dependent on having a job with a certain company. Men and our families deserve medical care regardless of who they work for, and even if they're not working.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 09:07 AM
15

Leaving aside the fact you came to an open space for men's rights discussion to tell people to "shut the fuck up", tell me, what reproductive rights do men have beyond conception?
/r/MensRights25/06/22 08:50 AM
9

See order of the White feather, every female first minister, prime minister, president, queen and empress. If you think only men send men to their deaths then your history teacher failed you.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 11:56 PM
12

"Old white fucks" not sure why you're feeling the need to bring racism and ageism in here. Check yourself.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 11:52 PM
-1

Number one cause of death for children in the USA is gun violence.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 11:47 PM
-6

Actually the most dangerous place in the USA for a child is at school, thanks to all the ragey gunners.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 11:46 PM
4

I'm ok with my tax dollars going to fund healthcare. The Americans that don't understand it don't have to worry, their healthcare system is privatised.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 08:53 PM
7

I mean...define worse, really. History was unkind, to everyone. Everyone was forced into slavery (black, white, brown, yellow, male, female, adults and children) everyone was killed when wars kicked off, everyone was killed during pandemics and natural disasters. The current narrative would have us believe that men had a lovely time, and women were horribly oppressed, but a cursory glance through the history of literally anywhere will show that everyone suffered, just in different ways.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 05:40 AM
9

Right wing politician pushing hard for the right for men to die in war. Not a surprise.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 09:50 PM
1

I respectfully disagree. The culture of silence imposed on us regarding sex is not helpful. Men should be free to talk about sex, relationships, contraceptive issues, abortion, fatherhood, marriage, divorce, all of it. It all intersects with women, and asserting our right to equality. All of this is both part of society as a whole, ideologies like feminism, and our private lives. If it makes you uncomfortable, feel free to not take part.
/r/MensRights20/06/22 01:42 AM
1

This sub, although definitely largely American and a little ragey righty, is actually a good place for open discussion. I don't agree with half the people here, and I'm totally fine with that, it's how ideas and concepts make progress, open discussion between people with differing viewpoints. One of the major issues with spaces that discuss feminism, and other authoritarian isms, is that you must comply with how the majority think, or you'll get the boot. No room for nuance, healthy debate, or t…
/r/MensRights20/06/22 01:35 AM
3

We're having our local patriarchy meeting at the pub next Wednesday. I'll be sure to arrange a letter to be sent to save this poor soul from the evils of having a few too many.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 10:42 PM
3

I'm not from your nation.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 09:21 PM
2

I don't know about the media you're talking about. What I do know is that fertility rates in developed countries are lower than replacement rate, which isn't sustainable. There is also uncontrolled population growth in underdeveloped countries, which also isn't sustainable. Maybe look beyond media, reality is more nuanced than a headline.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 09:20 PM
10

It's an important observation, as the study shows that fear is getting in the way of men entering into romantic relationships. We really need the birth rate to increase, at least to replacement rate, and a culture of fear is impeding this.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 03:33 AM
7

In the UK the far right have been pushing feminism for 12 years. Feminism is definitely a right wing ideal.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 08:43 PM
4

The labour movement has had to fight against capitalists for hundreds of years so that men get to have things like weekends, 8 hour work days, breaks, paid time off, at least a modicum of work health and safety, and yet you'd like to give it all up and hand control of our lives over to the wealthy elite? Genius solution.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 08:41 PM
-2

I have my own opinion (and it is just that, an opinion) on being a "real man", and you should formulate your own, if you feel the need. For me it's the ability to admit I was wrong when necessary (it's ok to be incorrect, and everyone makes mistakes), the ability to admit ignorance (saying "I don't know" is an appropriate response, if, in fact, I don't), and that I take all reasonable measures to keep my promises (I'm only as good as my word).
/r/MensRights11/06/22 09:21 PM
4

12 years of the far right government pushing it's woke agenda bruv.
/r/MensRights08/06/22 10:05 PM
21

Animal farm was compulsory reading for GCSE English. George Orwell is a celebrated author in England. It's the USA you're thinking of, school districts average banning two books a day there.
/r/MensRights08/06/22 10:03 PM
6

12 years of a far right government pushing this woke nonsense. No-one can do anything about it untilthe next GE.
/r/MensRights08/06/22 10:01 PM
6

It depends where you're from. In America people are convinced it's the left pushing this shit, but in the UK and Australia it's been far right parties, and their supporters, pushing the agenda for over a decade. Also, I think it's important to note that it's only the left on most countries fighting for men's rights, safer working conditions, proper time off, liveable wages, a weekend (all the products of the labour movement), while the right are all about mass incarceration and continuing genita…
/r/MensRights07/06/22 08:28 PM
8

Stating that the patriarchy exists, in the modern day, is espousing a conspiracy theory. Sure you could argue that certain middle Eastern ideologies (like Christianity) were patriarchal, but even when they were totally dominant in a region it was still poor men doing the hard physical labour, poor men fighting and being killed in war, and poor men facing the vast majority of punishment from "justice". At no point has a "patriarchy" existed that actually benefits men.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 08:24 PM
5

There is a dominant narrative that pushes the patriarchy conspiracy theory, and ignores the needs, and struggles, of men. But I would like to point out, particularly to my American brothers, that this is not a "leftist" nor Marxist position. I'm far left, I believe that healthcare, education, police and military should be publicly funded and free at the point of use, and I think that essential infrastructure and industry should be owned collectively by everyone, not by private individuals, parti…
/r/MensRights01/06/22 11:09 AM
4

Mass shootings in the developed world are incredibly rare. They're a problem in the USA because no-one thought to amend the constitution to include the right to healthcare, but some nugget thought that everyone carrying weapons was a sound plan.
/r/MensRights28/05/22 08:23 PM
6

In my country men literally fought a civil war to get democracy. Then fought the first world war to get enough leverage for universal suffrage. While women patted themselves on the back for how successful they were because they protested a bit and got given the same rights.
/r/MensRights21/05/22 10:01 PM
1

I recently moved here, after a discussion my partner and I won't be using Uber ever again. Discrimination isn't ok.
/r/MensRights21/05/22 01:36 AM
12

You'll find Americans, Jews and Muslims continue to mutilate little boys even in countries with free healthcare. It's not specifically money related.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 06:37 AM
3

We make up, at least in the UK, Australia, and the USA approximately 95% of the prison population, but only 49% of the actual population. The imbalance isn't just in sentencing, it's also in the types of crimes that can carry custodial sentences combined with the pressure put on men to be the "breadwinner".
/r/MensRights03/05/22 12:48 AM
2

This is a stupid system, but Malta isn't considered progressive or liberal by European standards, they're heavily religious, corrupt, and currently have a huge amount of support for Russia politically.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 09:41 PM
-3

The far right will never want to be seen as against "traditional family values", it would be political suicide for them to enable men to step away from children financially, so sadly not going to happen in much of the Anglosphere.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:54 PM
9

I'm left wing and I support this idea. Considering the far right have controlled both countries I've lived in for a long time, they seem to support a spurious narrative of "traditional family values" which involves forcing men to pay for things they don't want in order to capture them as wage slaves for longer.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:48 PM
8

It's no surprise, it's been the USA along with some backwards religions pushing the mass male genital mutilation on the west for some time now.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 10:29 AM
1

Jordan Peterson being one of the few mainstream voices that oppose feminism is deeply depressing. He's pro Christian, pro capitalism, both ideologies that have been used to curb stomp men's rights for centuries, but because he takes a stand against the woke feminist nonsense he's celebrated as a fucking hero.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 09:23 PM
3

You guys have left leaning media? In the countries I've lived in almost all of the media is owned by far right corporations, pushing for men to be locked up/used as wage slaves.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 11:28 AM
2

I'm far left (publicly funded healthcare, education, military and police are a good thing), and I'm a men's rights advocate. I know the yanks can't understand it, but in the UK and Australia it's the far right that have been pushing the feminists agenda for the past decade.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 11:25 AM
5

AFAIK it's not a "leftist" thing. In the UK and Australia we've had right wing governments for a really long time (12 years and 9 years respectively) and they've been consistently pushing the "all women are oppressed victims, men should be locked up/impoverished/ignored" bit the entire time. The far right have been consistently shitting on men's rights while falling over themselves to accommodate women at every turn.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 11:21 AM
3

Excellent study, exposing issues that men have to deal with that Western society tries to sweep under the rug. Hopefully this is the first of many. Sadly I doubt the government in the UK will listen to the recommendations, the right wing love ignoring men's issues.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:26 PM
4

It sounds like you're having a problem that maybe a doctor or a sex therapist could help with. Genital mutilation isn't a solution.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 08:09 PM
1

Over a decade of the far right ruling the UK, passing laws criminalising things like whistling and looking at people.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 12:03 AM
5

You understand that the legislation behind this was created by the Tory party, not Labour right?
/r/MensRights07/04/22 12:01 AM
2

Just a quick FYI for Johnny foreigner. Criminal law isn't London specific, if staring is a crime in London, then it's a crime in the entirety of England and Wales. Also, despite the author's attempt to implicate Sadiq Khan for passing this law, he didn't, and can't. Mayor's don't pass criminal legislation, that is the job of parliament, controlled by the right wing Tory party, for over a decade.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 12:00 AM
-2

It's corporate America that's pushing this agenda on the rest of the world, literally the home of the right wing. The further right your employees are the more hours you will work, the less they will pay you. The international worker movement has had to fight tooth and nail for basic men's rights, while the right have just used us as disposable sources of profit
/r/MensRights04/04/22 08:29 PM
8

It's not a democrat/ republican thing. The USA has been pushing this nonsense on the rest of us regardless of who was in charge. It's a corporate capitalist "embrace gender studies and critical race theory" because it's profitable mindset.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 08:24 PM
10

Glad that the scales have fallen from their eyes, but then they blame it all on "white imperialism", they're still living in cloud cuckoo land. Smh.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 09:25 AM
5

Equality. Equal life expectancy, equal working hours, equal likelihood of going to prison, equal treatment in war, equality in genital mutilation, equality in child custody, equality in access to services and education, equality in public safety etc etc.
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:00 PM
2

I'm also in Australia, and although this country is prima fascie quite sexist, there are some institutions you can use to apply pressure regardless of the person or persons being discriminated against. The Australian human rights commission link would be a good option, particularly if your school doesn't respond to your concerns, and you have evidence (I'd suggest recruiting some friends and witnesses).
/r/MensRights25/03/22 08:18 PM
7

You can say cunt on the internet. Being able to speak freely is an integral part of male liberation. They control your thought by first trying to control your speech.
/r/MensRights24/03/22 08:28 PM
280

Also don't work unpaid overtime, or work too hard at your job. We don't live as long, and work more hours, so kick back and relax a little.
/r/MensRights24/03/22 08:23 PM
5

Twitter isn't "the free west" it's just an edgy American corporation.
/r/MensRights21/03/22 08:08 PM
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