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The high amount of risk aversion with ya'll is troubling Or maybe you are just expert at gaslighting. Who are we to say what level of risk tolerance he should accept? Everything you've said in this post is to make the OP doubt his gut instinct. I'm glad the OP is having none of it. When you trust your own gut instinct, you don't let some rando from the internet talk you out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 08:10 PM
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There's this thinking that I am entitled to ask any question, no matter how provocative. Which is very disrespectful. If a man asked a woman "how many dates before you typically have sex?" You could say the same thing about the woman turning around and leaving - that she couldn't handle the questions, so she ended up alone on her own terms. But if I was a woman I'd do exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:45 PM
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No, the woman took the adversarial approach by the question she asked. One never truly knows how the alternative choice would have worked out, but my money is on the OP making the right call for his interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:41 PM
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we will ask the hard questions. There's a delicate balance which takes social acumen. I swear it's amazing people think Donald Trump is a great deal maker because he demands the best deals. Great deal makers are nothing of the sort. If I go to a car dealership and ask the salesman in the first 5 minutes "You know, my time is valuable and I don't want to waste my time with slimy car salesmen that don't want to sell a car. What is the dealer's profit margin on this car?" I probably will piss off t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:36 PM
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Asking questions is a subtle interrogation, hell a first date is a subtle interrogation. Yeah it's about gathering information. In a market, you ideally divulge nothing and gather information about your counterparty. The person in the OP's story used a strategy which did not work due to how the OP responded. She played a bad move and the OP recognized it. Asking about porn is either "I'm going to gain asymmetric information advantage by throwing this out there, or I'm just negging him for my own…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:29 PM
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I grew up with a feminist single mom, so I understand where you are coming from. Yeah, check out when you get a whiff of any FDS shit tests... These types have no self esteem. When you develop your own healthy sense of self, you will attract, rather than be intimidated by, women with high self esteem. They have boundaries of their own and respect you setting yours. They celebrate the masculine and respect themselves as women. Life is too short to not be with a woman possessing high self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:19 PM
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not led by other people cause it help mask an insecurity That's the main concern I have... Going your own way does not necessarily mean becoming a sheeple to 2A propaganda about what masculinity means and how owning a firearm makes you more masculine. You're still buying in to the propaganda, just fashioned by Colt and H&K instead of Cartier and Ralph Lauren. But perhaps this is more of a r/menslib mentality than r/MGTOW2.
/r/MGTOW230/06/21 03:28 AM
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I'm with you on the odds. Cholesterol is waay more likely to be the end of you than a bad guy with a gun... Unless you live in Compton, in which case you should seriously consider moving if you can. I like the freedom of not carrying a gun around everywhere.
/r/MGTOW230/06/21 12:03 AM
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I think you have it figured out. Meet you at the funny farm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:53 PM
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Even when the interest rate is low or zero, I just don't understand why people, especially men, are comfortable being in debt. I get it if you are starting out and need transportation, sure get a car loan you can pay off in a couple years. But nobody will bail you out when you are a man. Every additional monthly bill makes your anxiety about, and dependence on, employment for a steady paycheck. Living debt free is a good foundation for life happiness.
/r/MGTOW229/06/21 11:20 AM
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Disc golf. I found regular golf expensive to get into and very frustrating, but somehow I feel more satisfaction with disc golf. Plus it is very cheap or free to play. It is a great hobby to share with other men... a couple hours in the woods with the guys is good for the mind. Some of my closest friendships have been melded over playing 18 and hanging out afterwards. Maybe the game itself was just an excuse to spend time together.
/r/MGTOW229/06/21 11:13 AM
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Having found the bots in my OLD days, this was exactly my thought. The chat all starts off nice and then she goes "I'd love to talk more... call me on my 1-800 number so we can get to know each other".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:35 AM
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Best answer yet. There is no TLDR; for questions such as these.
/r/MGTOW229/06/21 12:27 AM
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You are probably over-analyzing, which is good to an extent... the unexamined life is not worth living The patterns we use to attract and identify potential friends (and romantic partners) rarely change without self examination and introspection. It is often hard to identify what patterns govern our behavior in the social situations we find ourselves in- because it's like your own nose that you don't even see when it is there in plain sight. And yet, without change, you will either be surrounded…
/r/MGTOW229/06/21 12:09 AM
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One thing you will learn with doctors is that they have an incentive to follow the consensus... and if your height is within three standard deviations from normal, then none of them are going to recommend HGH. I'm not shorter than average, but I had a friend at uni who was 5'2 or 3... He had a lot of self image doubt that the rest of us could not understand. But he focused on his education and what he could change. He was a really smart guy... and he met a wonderful short woman and swept her off…
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 03:51 PM
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I mean it's a fun hobby and all. Many of us grew up learning to shoot guns in boy scouts. It's just that due to Hollywood messaging some men learn 'toxic masculinity' from pop culture about guns. Some men are poorly skilled at navigating adult life conflicts and have a fear of being harassed or demeaned. Instead of addressing those fears and learning how to manage conflict, they take the shortcut of carrying a gun, or using steroids to put on 25 kilos. It's a cheap substitute for masculinity, pr…
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 03:14 PM
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I would tell you to get a gun and a concealed carry license. You need to get training to learn how to use a gun properly. You will probably never need or use it, but if you do, you have it. Use technology to overcome the size difference. WTH? The OP lives in Europe.
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 10:36 AM
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Good thing you're being rational about HRT... If you don't have a legitimate medical condition, then don't mess with it. Some guys try to evangelize about getting other men to take it, but you will get all the physical and emotional benefit from just doing regular exercise.
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 10:33 AM
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Good point - I read somewhere that there is power in just writing down a goal on paper. Then if you look at it every day and hold yourself accountable. You don't have to be perfect, you just need to check in from time to time and truthfully ask yourself if you are working to reach them. It's also kind of like the graduation speech where the speaker basically says "if you want to change the world, start by making your bed every day".
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 10:29 AM
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I am all for getting as much exercise as possible. It is a healthy lifestyle. What you are describing is that you feel inadequate in regards to the pitch of your voice and your muscle mass. This is what in women we call "body dysmorphic disorder". Men don't get a label in psychology for this because... well because men's emotional health isn't a priority in this country because feminism has cast mental health as a scarce resource and would therefore take away resources from these vulnerable wome…
/r/MGTOW224/06/21 12:40 PM
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Yep, people make a statement about their preference in qualitative terms and everybody gets mad. It's like one person walks in the bar and says something, next minute it's a brawl and everyone is at fisticuffs, yet most of it is getting angry about nothing that really matters. Making mountains of molehills to feel like we matter or we can change the world. Making a CMV post with qualitative terms like most or low, or usually... them's prelude to a brawl words. I'm with you on preferring a low n …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:45 AM
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Nice, I think I'd read that once before... and yet some of us, like Sisyphus, keep pushing that rock up the hill precisely because it is there.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 09:24 PM
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Well we're disagreeing about the specific points on the shape of the unknowable distribution, which is kind of an exercise in futility... but I'm saying my gut says there's a 20% of females that are having sex with 60% of the men too. Just reference the anecdotal responses on the other thread today about "how much casual sex...".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 09:14 PM
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Your homies are on it, my friend. You basically know. You don't know for sure, but you know the odds based on what you observe. Sure, there are exceptions, but the correlation coefficient is there. I'm no conservative bible thumper, but I'd add: 5) more than two earrings and 6) wears all those damn rings on her fingers (and not the engagement kind). Less certain is that butterfly sticker on their windshield. Hell if I know why. I think it's something to do with the transformation from ugly worm …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 09:09 PM
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I'm sure this sounds weird to people in the US of A, but well wouldn't it be nice if you have a mom that sends you off to college with a box of condoms and says "Take your time, don't get anyone pregnant, and don't mislead a young woman". Kind of the same advice she'd give her daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:17 PM
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Then apparently I got stupider a couple of years ago, and here I am commenting. Yep, I'm guilty as charged... commenting on PPD of all places..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:12 PM
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At least we have gotten past the mathematical fallacy that men are "more promiscuous than women". But I would also submit that the 80/20 rule is somewhat true for both genders... Each gender has a distribution plot of sexual frequency or n count, whatever. So for every Chad, there's the proverbial village bicycle... and then there's everyone else in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:09 PM
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Seems like you or other posters like you tend to use that term as a dog whistle or something, but it might not be suitable cause if it's getting wet, doesn't that mean there's some mutual enjoyment going on? Just sayin'
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:03 PM
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My solutions are split into categories for ease of understanding: Wow, I guess life isn't that complicated when you look at it that way. Thanks for the quick Ted talk!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:52 PM
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Some men realize this eventually - that they have maybe 80 years to fashion the world in their own image, and then they are gone forever. Once that realization happens, he can chose to give less attention to gratification and pleasure for something more transcendent.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 12:18 PM
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Sound advice for any young man. Video games are fun and if that's your leisure, make time for it... but at 16, you have SO much potential to affect the course of your life for good or ill. By the time you are my age, your path is largely set and unchangeable, for better or worse. Study, get good grades, learn to earn and manage money, prepare for a career that you enjoy and allows you to have the good things in life. Form healthy friendships too, because being well socialized is a major contribu…
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 12:14 PM
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Good advice, but not always easy to accept. There's a line of young men growing up and leaving 'the church'... so just as people like the guy in the original post become a man they are having to let go of this idea that God is going to reward them for being chaste vessels of Jesus. I suspect letting go of this self concept and just going all Dionysian is simultaneously exciting, and yet filled with existential angst. It was for me.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 12:02 PM
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Have you heard of "the seven stages of grief" ? Anger is a normal feeling. When we are hurt by someone, we feel angry. We feel angry that it happened to us, we feel angry at the other person. It feels unfair. Unfortunately, emotionally wounded humans hurt other humans. In romantic relationships, a common response is feeling angry at the other gender as a whole. Especially when we don't want to look at how our own actions sometimes contribute to getting into these hurtful situations. But if we st…
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 03:32 PM
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not all men are haters, just the people on this subreddit, Provocative thread title with a loaded question, and painting with broad strokes there. I've been in this forum a while and there are a number of men who are past the hate stage and try to offer a man's perspective that is beyond hate. Just like on forums for femcel, FDS, WGTOW, everyone is at a different stage in their life experiences.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:54 AM
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I'm glad you posted this on FOMO. My SO and I met later in life, so we had the advantage of experiencing the online dating world, being single, and meeting a bunch of losers. It was a blessing for both of us to know that just finding someone who is just basically functional and is able to laugh with you from time to time can be pretty rare to find. Sounds like the wife is a good person, with some incompatibilities that are small enough to just live with or try to bring up together.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:48 AM
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Good way to say what I was trying to get at too... It's like the comment is "but these men earned a BILLION dollars and his woman STILL wasn't happy. It's just so impossible for men.".. which is selling both men and women short.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 10:45 AM
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I missed that point earlier, but I still think what I am saying is valid on a continuum of non-verbal micro behaviors to direct verbal communication. So the guy knows that she is at a cooking class with him. That may be enough for the guy to want to initiate something, or he may decide in his mind "She's here for the cooking class. I don't want to talk to her because it might make her feel uncomfortable when she just wants to learn cooking." Likewise, either Pen or her male counterpart might hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 07:39 PM
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base on whatever he finds sufficient to pursue me Which at that point, is just your body, because they have no other information to evaluate you on. SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 06:44 PM
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When man is not approaching me he cannot prove anything of that. So if you don't talk to him, how will he know if you are worth pursuing? Or do you just want him to pursue you based on your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:54 PM
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You gotta listen to what the husband says or doesn't say. I had a friend's wife try to bring up her single woman friend as a date prospect and my buddy just flat out asked "is she going to close up her legs with the other guys she's dating? Her ___ is like a landing strip for men. " . It was fucking hilarious.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 12:42 PM
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Thanks to the OP for sharing. The 'nothing' idea really explains it well. Everyone's going to have different emotional state and mental energy when they come home from work. There's a time to talk, get stuff done, and make decisions. It has to be done at some point, but having your 'nothing' time when you need it is not really up for negotiation.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 12:36 PM
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Pitt, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos Well to be fair, all three were cheating on their wife at least once or twice. Pretty foolish to be a billionaire and start fooling around if you ask me. But it happens, frequently.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 12:20 PM
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I hope you're being tongue in cheek here. People look at collapsed currencies and use it as a mental excuse to not save money. Inflation has been around for millennia, but so has compounding returns from investment. There's 500+ years of western history to draw wisdom from. Putting all your money in gold, not saving at all, or not investing in stocks and bonds is going to hurt you a lot worse than following the conventional wisdom.
/r/MGTOW219/06/21 12:25 PM
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Even better for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:37 PM
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Yeah, the OP is in a world of pain. I sort of remember being there myself. The fallacious thinking protects him from getting hurt, but it keeps him alone. Unfortunately for him, while he's safe, angry, and alone, other people are out there taking risks and living life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:18 PM
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You will know who the plates are if you give them time to show their colors before you get smitten. In our day, it was called "baggage". You don't need to carry it. I dare you to go out with a funny, brainy 5/10 woman who has a great career. You might just find an amazing woman with a respectable n count to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:50 AM
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Have you met most women? Touche!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:43 AM
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You could apply to either gender and it is still excellent advice- "NONE OF IT MATTERS!!" The first step to personal growth is realizing this. You don't need to manipulate people into either adopting or rejecting your outlook. Seriously, just go about finding innovative healthy ways to meet the wants and needs you have as a human. It might just end up changing your own outlook on the way the world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:41 AM
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Some women posted mean things This confirmation bias goes both ways. The toxic forum for gender X submits Exhibit A about gender Y and everyone piles on in a circle jerk (or jill) about how bad, evil, horrible gender Y is. Then somebody in the forum inevitably says "but not all Y are like that". The toxic men's forums eat up these exhibits too as prima facia evidence that their counterpart is evil. Not to make a political comparison, but the D and R parties both love to exploit shocking behavior…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:27 AM
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What other options are there? A long time ago back in 2019, like minded people would form groups and do things. They had corporate softball leagues, 'young professionals' groups, volleyball teams, even a thing called Hash Hound Harriers.
/r/MGTOW218/06/21 01:37 AM
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Or they were both just young and immature. Shit happens and assigning blame is for victims. Either way, it sucks but doesn't change what you have to do to grow up and be a man.
/r/MGTOW218/06/21 01:28 AM
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Congrats man! Staying fit benefits not only your body and overall health, but more importantly improves your mental state and self image. Keep up the good work!
/r/MGTOW218/06/21 01:25 AM
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In the long run, overpopulation will be solved. Just like rising CO2 levels are not a problem. There will just be some odd changes in the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:09 AM
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Yeah, we get them to drink the Suzie Ormand Kool-Aid and their birth rate drops to that of a normal white yuppie couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:07 AM
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believe a similar thing is happening in America, but immigrants kind of cover it up. All of it is true. The fundamentalists (of all stripes - Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Mormon, etc) are all popping out kids as if the end of the world is coming. To the south, the birth rate in developing word America is still 8 children in some countries... Thus the net migration from the south to north as middle class America is too busy paying off graduate school or worried about their 401-k balance to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 11:04 AM
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What's the saying "youth is wasted on the young" and "there is nothing new under the sun". For generations in the secular post-pill world, young attractive women don't all know how to wield their advantage wisely. On social media or real life, you observe the experiences of women at different ages or points in the pipeline of life. The faces change but the narrative arc stays the same. Many will squander their advantage, some will use it wisely, and others will be unlucky and get betrayed. Only …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:45 AM
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Sure that happens, but that’s the minority of the casual sex havers. Definitely the case! There are also separate dimension from looks. The women he gets are a 2-3 in having their shit together. Or they put his safety at risk after being scorned... Or actually did have STIs. I guess I've known maybe one guy who was conventionally 'successful' in life that had casual sex with attractive, emotionally mature women before he settled down. The rest of the guys all made short sighted compromises to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 10:32 AM
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These are a little older, but some of my favorite inspirational movies about men going their own way with passion would be: Fitzcarraldo, The Mission, and Zorba the Greek.
/r/MGTOW216/06/21 08:46 PM
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While they're wasting half of Saturday sleeping in, hung over and alone, just get the last laugh by heading out the door bright and early to go do something adventurous or self enhancing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:28 PM
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Well the anthropology of pairing off is surely multi-faceted, but to add another factor, we always hear that the older man ostensibly has more resources to provide for the woman's reproductive success. So it is that resource advantage that attracts the woman, assuming this theory has any validity. The pool boy provides enhanced fertility, but not the resources. Each role uses different strategies for success. ...and women do this mate-guard thing you speak of too! Ever seen a cat fight unfold?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:22 PM
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The lack of ability to get laid has made men more likely to play video games Bingo! Cause, meet effect. There's this stereotype that any man half way decent can get lucky (or find love) at the bar... so if they are home playing video games they must be a stereotypical nerd... Guys who are interesting, attractive, or fit do stay home on Friday nights too... whether they are playing video games or any other unique reasons. Maybe they are staying in because they need to study on the weekend, or get…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 05:52 PM
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quite a few women are being completely turned off by the opposite sex. That's okay, there are still quite a few women who are having positive fulfilling relationships with men... Making these men even BETTER people than they were before! My wife somehow just got lucky and never experienced the kind of heartache that would turn a woman to spending her Friday nights liberated from the patriarchy and posting on FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 05:32 PM
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why they arent more mad at their male elders who try to dip into their mate-pool When you're a 20 year old male, sure, be angry... but if you are a 35 year old male that is still single... enjoy the rewards! I mean, if 20 year old women turned 35 year old men away, they might just have to date... 20 year old men. I didn't set up the rules, but due to evolution trying to date a 20 something woman when you are a 20 something man is like being 5'6" tall trying to play basketball with people standin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 05:24 PM
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What you are describing sounds a lot like test taking anxiety. It is not an uncommon thing. When you are young, every test or challenge is posed as having enormous potency in determining your life success. So the anxiety comes from thinking "if I don't ace this I will die poor, hungry, and alone" or any variation of this. So the way to deal with this anxiety is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). You probably will not have a therapist to help here, so get a book on it. The general idea is to rep…
/r/MGTOW216/06/21 11:53 AM
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I haven't lifted in years, but my arms are still bigger than a friend who powerlifts a few hundred pounds more than I ever could. My theory is if you have a preponderance of slow twitch muscle or you are predisposed to gain that type, then you will pick up mass by doing 12 rep sets or spending a few hours swimming freestyle every week. Seemed to work for me. But either way, if you are the hardgainer type, you won't gain mass if you don't significantly increase your daily calories and protein- li…
/r/MGTOW215/06/21 12:26 PM
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Definitely! To me a high value woman is confident enough in what she wants to make a first date happen. She's further a high value woman if she is confident with her boundaries to go on a date without worrying romantic feelings will make her do things she regrets.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 09:23 PM
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Not trying to be pedantic over the other person's point, but if you are intoxicated, you cannot give consent. At least by the definition on some college campuses, you were a victim of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 09:13 PM
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Get as much education in areas that pay off! Finance being absolutely crucial. LifeProTip there. Learn the math behind TVM calculations backwards and forwards.
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 02:29 PM
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You sound pretty angry at the assessment you have come to believe. I remember feeling that anger in my 20's and 30's... I can empathize and am sorry you are going through it, but you have some choices: don't date at all, go monk, go for porn, go for an escort, hook up with some of these women (using protection, of course), or wait till you find a unicorn. Except for the escort part, I've done all of those things. Just please, please don't stew in your anger... it is poison for your soul. I canno…
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 01:08 PM
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I think of it like a little sniggering demon sitting invisible in the corner of my room, waiting for me to fuck up That's an accurate description of it. It never totally goes away, but it does get further and further from playing a central role in our life.
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 12:55 PM
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I'm late 40's and grew up with a single mother who was angry at men. I've made many mistakes and yet worked hard along the way to feel pretty fortunate and satisfied at this point in life. In hindsight, the biggest obstacle in life turned out to be myself. I grew up getting some pretty toxic beliefs and trauma that made ne develop toxic habits and thinking patterns. So in a way, our family background sowed the seeds of inadequacy, which led to more trials and mistakes than boys growing up in a h…
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 12:36 PM
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Why hasn’t every company just hired Indian code monkeys to replace their developers Offshoring software happens like any other job where you get the same quality product for less.. However, there are still software jobs in the US (and always will be, IMHO) because despite having a surfeit of idiots here, we still actually produce a lot of smart scientists and engineers. Also, hiring a top quality software engineer in India is not cheap. You get what you pay for even if there's a small wage arbit…
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 12:18 PM
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That is a fair point and I'll never really know. Possibly the more attractive ones had their wild days, but being wild is separate from being a toxic man hater and I don't think any of them had that quality. They're not the complicated type. The other thing they have in common is they all settled down with their one and only husband before they turned 30.
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 12:07 PM
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Not King Yautja, but to me it means not giving up your own needs, interests, and emotional health. Relationships always involve compromise, but going your own way (to me) means only making compromises that are a win-win situation in the long run. Men can get married and lose the sense of their own self worth by sacrificing everything for family or marriage. Some women purposefully use shame and guilt to manipulate men into this situation.
/r/MGTOW213/06/21 01:55 PM
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Go spend 5 minutes lurking. In my 20's I used to believe all women were like the ones on FDS - needing to be institutionalized. Now I have female friends who are emotionally mature and positive. It is quite refreshing to know some good normal women as a reference point for what should be acceptable in your life.
/r/MGTOW213/06/21 01:50 PM
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Reddit has a policy of no hate on the subs. It is also addressed in rule #1 here. There's a difference between being frustrated with the status quo or venting about the way things are and spewing misogyny. I think the mods on this forum do a good job of keeping MGTOW2 from becoming a MGTOW. At that point, who cares what "they" are calling it.
/r/MGTOW213/06/21 01:44 PM
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Cooking meat is definitely a learned skill that I am still learning. The heat and cook time really depend on the cut. Grilling can be trickier to control the heat compared to just using the oven. With fillet mignon it's usually too chewy for my taste if it isn't cooked hot enough. The heat actually breaks down the connective tissue and make it easier to chew, so I aim for like 190+ degrees in the center of the fillet. You can basically slice it with a fork at that point.
/r/MGTOW213/06/21 01:36 PM
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Agreed there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:52 PM
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To each his or her own. I guess it depends on what kind of "reasonable time" we are talking about. You can tell if it's likely the case just using your intuition and other clues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:39 PM
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Hate the game not the player. Best advise ever. Glad I'm off the market, thank god!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:53 PM
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unless you're a virgin you can't say that don't have sex on the second date if you already did it Well that's not a fair standard. I dated women who were not virgins, had a low n count (as did I), and wanted to wait. Many of us, men and women, lose our virginity in an awkward and unromantic way because of our f-d up Puritan heritage meeting a modern world. Like most of the people here, I just think parity in sexual experience and attitudes is a fair standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:41 PM
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But I have yet to encounter guys who really think like she says. A lot of these PPD cmv posts are basically : "Most men (or women) are like X. Disprove my assertion". You will never disprove anything like this. There are 6 billion people on the earth... all unique and different, defying stereotypes daily. But you will never change the view of the 1 person who is the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:30 PM
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Men also benefit by waiting at least a couple months. Everyone hides their character flaws early in dating. Just for me, I'd rather date a woman for a few months before sleeping with them so I know what I am getting involved with before it got more serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:23 PM
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Best of luck to you! It can be really hard dating when so many are deceptive about their intentions, But like attracts like, so embody the traits in yourself that you want in a partner, You may have to get comfortable with being alone for a season and going on a lot of first dates, but eventually you will find a man who has been looking for someone like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:04 PM
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Thanks! I found my unicorn after a long time! Our IoIs early on were more cerebral than sensual, either because my wife and I were late 30's when we met or that's just more of who we were. But the cerebral connection created a strong mutual attraction precisely because we kept our physical boundaries. In the phase of initial contact to first date - good verbal IoI is asking follow up questions over IM, or on the first date that just show you are engaged and listening. Not that the convo is all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:11 PM
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No, if she has her ___ together, not at all. The difference is in how she handles boundaries. Asking a man out is attractive. Touching his hand or shoulder or too many non verbal IoIs on the first date is desperate and forward. Making out at the end of the first date is forward. If the first date is more like a job interview, then sign me up for date #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:36 AM
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Men in their 30's with dating experience usually have come to realize (as I did), that asking women out like in the rom-coms is a fools errand. If a man just wants to score, he does all the pursuing. Reserved men that want a LTR just go about their business because pursuing yields misery. My wife and I met by chance and she gave verbal IoIs whenever we got to talk - but none of the flirty touchy IoIs. The forum we were in allowed us several chances to interact over time. By that time I was sick …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:29 AM
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When I was single and dating, I always had the question in the back of my head about what my date was doing when I wasn't around. The more attractive, the more I'd get paralyzed and consumed by visions of the real life "girls gone wild" stuff I'd witnessed in bars and heard about 2nd hand. I'm sure these women thought I lost interest, which I had. I might have misjudged more than a few women, but women also underestimate how much men put at risk falling in love... and how the good men are going …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:09 AM
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Without also considering treasury rates and other macro factors, no. I lost out on a lot of gains waiting for it to revert.
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 10:51 AM
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as women probably wipe on far fewer profiles Dang, I mean if you don't like the guy, just swipe left. No need to get scatological on the dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 01:31 AM
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You've been through some real suffering, as has every man that finds his way to MGTOW. While the details are different, your story is similar to mine. I think the Youtube link here I saw the other day about loneliness being a manifestation of horniness really hit home. In your 20's... the T just is so powerful. It gives you the highest of highs and can also ruin your life. It sounds like you are a survivor seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Keep up with health friends and family, and fol…
/r/MGTOW208/06/21 12:24 PM
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I totally get and agree with your view on MGTOW, but i also get how age, divorce and child custody, and our individual stories affect how each man defines MGTOW. I am closer to your age than being a young buck now. Twenty years ago I felt the same intensity of the OP, which has the characteristic attitude of rigid orthodoxy and ideological purity on how you see the brotherhood's role in relation to femdom. Probably driven from a place of hurt, anger, and more intense hormones. I guess us elder M…
/r/MGTOW208/06/21 11:51 AM
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I guess I'd have to be there and see it. Maybe they are used to simps and since you had a mixed party they figured they couldn't work you.. Or they are just so full of themselves they forget to turn off that attitude when they punch in the clock.
/r/MGTOW208/06/21 01:17 AM
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Did you just fall off the turnip truck? LOL, no offense, but the joke is on you kid. Don't go to a breastaurant or bar like the one you are talking about without a wad of 20's to toss on the table. I realized this at Hooters- the service is terrible unless you are a regular that likes giving $100 tips. The regular customers there that tip well are all sad sacks.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 11:52 AM
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Don't mistake r/MGTOW2 with the rest of MGTOW. This is the reason I stay on MGTOW2. The banned subreddit is just as toxic as the FDS forums. The users are just as full of hate and twisted pretzel logic as the batshit crazy ones on FDS. Agree that it is the mods who steer the ship and I think MGTOW2 has a pretty healthy dialogue as a result. Kudos to them.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 11:48 AM
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Ghosting is a weak-willed chick thing - you ghost when you can’t trust yourself to not answer. What you said there was an "aha" moment for me. I've had exes where their brain was in control and we could talk like adults for the denouement, and exes who were driven by their gonads that ghosted me. I had a ton more respect for the former.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 12:32 AM
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Let's not kid ourselves... Porn is better and more accessible today, sure., But even in the 80's a young man could find sufficiently erotic material in the department store advertisements of the Sunday paper to find release. It doesn't take much when you are an 18 year old male without other options. CentralAdmin has an accurate assessment of the current situation: Hypergamy and online porn are competing for which is the causal factor in the other. Marriage and healthy committed LTRs is the vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:51 PM
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The save point being where you are critically low on health points and ammo. Cornered by a new enemy you haven't figured out how to slay.
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 12:19 PM
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When we are younger, I think we all tend to fall hard for a woman we find attractive and start pursuing. We think it's only natural that they would be just as attracted to us because our own feelings are so strong. Later on, you realize how self sabotaging that is. You only get someone you have to pursue indefinitely just hoping they don't start monkey branching. Just go out in the world and be your best self. Don't chase- let the women pursue first and then get to know the ones you are attracte…
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 12:14 PM
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"I may blow out her back again then just kick her to the curb" Dude - You had me up until this. Why after all you have overcome and worked for, would you dance with the devil again? Your #1 job is to take care of you. That is more basic and fundamental BEFORE stuff like getting graduate degrees and making lots of money. Don't fuck up your #1 job just because you've achieved the later.
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 11:58 AM
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The men in the USA who hold spiritual or ethical convictions (or just don't want to hurt women's feelings) do not use this trick. However, many women feel justified in using this trick because they believe men are all doing it. Kind of like seeing a diamond on the ground and saying "well if I don't take it, somebody else will". Classic race to the bottom or prisoners dilemma logic. [edit:] And I had the pleasure of going on a date with a woman who was kind enough to give me a clue she was doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 04:22 PM
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Yes, it is an odd development and I don't know why other than the values our western society seems to have evolved to have.. I've found myself visiting as an outsider to other countries and some rural hippie communities here where people live closer to each other and closer to the land and they still make time for relationships... Seems to be important to them. I hope when we retire we can find a community like that to be part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 09:50 PM
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I am offended that you would call her a shitty woman. I am okay criticizing behavior, not people. My ex gf is now happily married now after going through the pain of personal growth. I am happy for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 12:01 PM
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The FDS and MGTOW types are the ones experiencing what you allude to and what I would describe as a huge anthropological shift. It is what it is. My wife and I don't have kids partly because of cues that things are changing. I appreciate that you can see that pornography is a substitute good... And while the OP makes a claim about porn and causality, I would say the causality goes both ways. Good relationships at the right price being in scarce supply, will lead to more porn usage as a substitut…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:50 AM
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Yep, you nailed it. Explains why so many women find it easy to get a date from OLD, and yet so few are able to find an LTR there. And they wonder why they got 'dumped'. Makes you realize that proactive women with healthy boundaries are truly a rare breed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 12:54 AM
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Yeah... reminds me of my gf who was one of those 'single moms'... She had so much experience. She pointed out all the men she'd fooled around with whenever we were in public. She must have been a '10' going by her n count. I just loved her 'experience' /s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 12:42 AM
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I'm not blaming her, for all I know maybe she likes it. She just said it is a normal occurrence. It's just not normal to the people I run with, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:45 AM
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So you are saying you have to compete with online content? That sucks. I guess you wish you were born 40 years earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:29 PM
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Well my wife and my former girlfriends wouldn't have taken a minute of "violent sex" for a second. They'd think I'd had a brain aneurism or something if I did that. So not "all men are like that". I can't speak for what you think is acceptable for the men you meet in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:18 PM
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wow... just wow. What an experience and I truly appreciate you sharing yours. I believe everyone has to go through what they need to go through, but if there's anything I took away from your post, it is: single mindedly focusing on increasing your n count does not lead to happiness. It just increases your n count. Kind of like the final chapter in "The Game". I would offer $0.02, but I think you just needed to get this off your chest. Hoping you find the path where you are happy with your next c…
/r/MGTOW201/06/21 10:03 PM
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Totally agree. Don't make any lifelong mistakes, but definitely, experience a loving relationship. It is just wholly different than any sky diving, deep sea fishing, or mountaineering thrill. That has always been my perspective and my $0.02.
/r/MGTOW231/05/21 09:28 PM
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It is discouraging. I remember that in my single days. It is disappointing to go on so many first (and last) dates because you are talking to a human sloth. But don't be discouraged and don't give up that standard. The first item on my checklist for anyone that was applying to be my girlfriend: "The applicant must like me as a person". The answer to that question becomes self evident if not by the first date, almost always between the first and second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:16 PM
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So men, at least try to better your appearance. And start to feel the same burden of insecurities that come from the patriarchy forcing us to meet impossibly high expectations of physical attractiveness to measure our self worth by? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:00 PM
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Well this may not be a popular opinion, but I will start by saying everyone sees something different in art. Sure, some of the feminist persuasion might interpret it through the lens of oppression and men seeing women as sex objects. That is one perspective. I think it is saying that being a sexual being with the emotions and turmoil that come with it is not easy for anyone and sometimes you just want out. The sentiment about the male version of this would just have a wallet gets closest to what…
/r/MGTOW231/05/21 01:24 PM
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And got a good share of angry comments for it. Well don't worry about them or better yet, don't post your standards online and ask for other people's opinion whether they're unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 01:05 PM
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5k is a massive amount of potential matches. You need only one Right, but I am pointing out that is like 0.5% of the metropolitan population. So the odds of meeting one is low unless you use OLD... and it seems most single people don't think OLD is a good use of their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 01:02 PM
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Yes - it's like any economic calculation. Are the things you keep by being single worth surrendering for bachelor #1? If you think bachelor #1 isn't going to increase your happiness, temporal security, or life satisfaction more than remaining single, then by no means should you settle for that. I guess I'm just saying it isn't complicated. The process of discovery is complicated and you have to ferret out the real information despite people who don't know themselves or aim to deceive, but still.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 07:02 PM
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I love my wife more as time goes on, but in different ways. Sure, we are both getting older at the same rate. A man's hormones also cool off as he ages...You still see hot younger models, but if you are with a woman you admire and have fun with, that doesn't matter. Your life story is filled with chapters and chapters featuring the woman you gave a wedding ring to and she has proven her worth, unlike the hot young thing. You never know what will happen to how your mate thinks in 20 years, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 01:36 PM
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Might as well ask if wanting a AAA bond with a 5% coupon is unreasonable... You can keep your high standards. If you remain single for the rest of your life and you wanted to have a relationship, then they were unreasonable standards. Also know that the dating "market" is much much less efficient than the NYSE. More shady operators on Tinder than NASDAQ. Caveat Emptor and do your due diligence. This endless cycle of spirited debate on Reddit regarding the bid and the ask between men and women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:50 PM
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I think people, especially young people, don't realize how quickly each "standard" cleaves the available prospects in half. Sure, the world is 50% men, so in a proverbial town of 1 Million: 500,000 are men 200,000 may be unmarried men not in a relationship 75,000 may be single men within +/-10 years of your age 60,000 are heterosexual single men within +/- 10 years of your age 40,000 of them may have no children 20,000 of the childless men may have the same political & religious views 10,000 of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:03 PM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The more discipline you develop at 20 doing things like not chasing women, the more dividends you will enjoy at 40 and beyond. Sure, take some chances and interact with women, but never let that interfere with your primary goals in life.
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 09:46 PM
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"All those big charities, big political movement, even feminist organizations - they are all corrupt. " Well that is painting with broad strokes. I know what you are trying to say, but it's more complicated. Sure, you can donate to the NRA for 2A rights and it just goes to fund Wayne LaPierre's wardrobe. But if money didn't matter, why do corporations have PACs? Before you donate to anything, investigate where the money goes and how effective the organization is with the dollars given. You also …
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 12:19 AM
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Right... But I know when I was young in my career, my ego was in full force to make sure I could avoid a layoff, keep paychecks coming in, and keep my apartment lease. Now that I am closer to retirement than starting out, my resources are such that my workplace attitude is "whatever dude, you be you". [edit: this was more in situations of someone trying to pin a screw up on me, not micro-aggressions].
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 05:45 PM
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Your body should be fit and in shape, but men are not as militant as women are about how much you weigh or your body-fat percentage. So nice for a woman to have a healthy sense of what is good looking. Men have their own logic errors, but the one I see in women is that you have to be a waif and dress seductively to get men. Speaking as a man, I feel 20% of a woman's effort gets you attractive to 80% of the men. The next 80% of the effort gets you to the standards women think are expected of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 01:39 PM
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If you enjoy technical challenges and have good grades in school, look into the trades that have higher educational barriers to entry and are more 'critical' to do right Those will give you more income and job security, IMHO. Repairing cars will make you decent money... repairing a complicated manufacturing machine that is offline and costing a company $2M a day while it is down will make you really big money.
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 12:56 PM
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I looked into the commercial diving career as a teenager. What turned me off was the "paying your dues" part before making the big bucks. Work for peanuts long days in a job above water that might kill you. I decided that wasn't for me.
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 12:53 PM
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Those are two great quotes. Thanks for sharing! I'll say that if your early life experiences were soaked in ego battles, then that part of your brain tends to be over-activated as an adult. It takes a retraining of the thought processes and disassociating from ego driven people to get back to "a natural state of ease".
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 12:50 PM
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I've thought a lot about the ego and it gets tricky. In my estimation, the ego exists to protect the human organism in an evolutionary sense. So getting upset when you receive micro-aggression in the workplace to knock you down in the social hierarchy does matter to a degree for your survival. Same with a break up or infidelity. Rejection is probably on the other end of the extreme in that it doesn't really matter, yet it feels like it matters more than anything else at the time.
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 12:44 PM
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Some of the books I mentioned earlier talk about the concept of becoming father to yourself. You didn't have a good dad in your real childhood, but as an adult, you can nurture and protect that inner child. It sounds cheesy, but inner child work can be a cathartic and transformative experience.
/r/MGTOW224/05/21 11:46 AM
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I had a similar start to life, except being a white kid in the inner city schools. When you get the bad hand dealt to you like we had, you have to start with your relationship with yourself. If you weren't loved sufficiently by mom and dad, you have to fill that void first. The most important message I can offer is: if you don't start by learning to deeply love and care about yourself, you will face a life devoid of healthy relationships as an adult. It's a process, but by following it, you will…
/r/MGTOW224/05/21 11:41 AM
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Message!!! : everyone can feel insecure from criticism. Do you think guys never get criticized, made fun of, or feel self conscious when lifting weights or playing sports? I don't quit my aspirations and blame the matriarchy just because people criticized me. I found better people to be around who build me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 11:24 AM
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It originally came from Fried to explain I know Freud was frequently fried, but his name was still Freud.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:40 AM
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It's the ephemeral cause of all your oppression and victimization. It used to be called "The Man" who was keeping us down. Since nobody could find "The Man" (except for a brief cameo in "Don't Be a Menace To South Central..") , it changed to an abstract thing called "the patriarchy".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:37 AM
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It's really simple. Don't worry about this negative view that "a woman can't do anything right" that you believe "generally" everyone has. If you want to turn off the men who want a committed LTR: dress more like Stacey. If you want to turn off the men who just want a night of fun: dress more like Becky. Your girlfriends are going to judge you regardless of what you dress like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 06:49 PM
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I've looked at FDS. Fortunately, been off the dating market for years. It's just eye opening to see the attitude and be like "well that explains a lot" in regards to my dating years. After that it's just sad. I just don't enjoy looking at it any more. Also just compare the number of subscribers and thread activity between FDS versus WGTOW. Sad that the preponderance of incel women want to choose the more toxic forum.
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 12:35 PM
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Sounds like you are on track. Keep up with the exercise, hobbies, and close friendships. A few close friends that you trust is much better than a big gang of idiots who only hang around when you are partying. Since you are finishing up uni- I would just add having close friends is just as important after school life, but it takes more work since people move and pair off.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 10:28 AM
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This. After you listen to the stories of a few homeless people you have a chance to realize "there but for the grace of God go I". Or it just reinforces your own arrogance if you put your success as being entirely of the 'internal locus of control' flavor.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 11:46 AM
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Gotta say that is hilarious... two woke simps trying to score some feminist cred. I can practically write the abstract for this paper myself.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 11:42 AM
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These days if I do wander into a strip club or a bar it's for the entertainment of watching suckers get taken for every last dime they have. Last few times I went to a strip club decades ago, I found myself doing the same thing. I ended up just watching the patrons; all eyes glazed over with beer in hand. I just kept wondering what their individual story was to bring them to this place.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 11:02 AM
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"The main topic of the majority of MGTOW's here is women. They tell what women are through personal stories. (Based on my observation.)" Yes, empirically that seems to be the case... and I'm okay with that. It is what it is but it needs to be constructive. Otherwise it just becomes disempowering like the shrieking over on the misandry forums. The structure and norms of discussion in MGTOW is there to unify around the principles in the forum description- to be a place of brotherhood, support, and…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 11:26 AM
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Good on you. Your number 1 job is to make you look after you. No one else is more qualified.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 08:23 PM
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Bon courage mon ami! J'espere que c'est le debut d'une belle vie pour toi!
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 08:19 PM
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You need different friends if they are reminding you of things you can't really change. You need to get rid of male friends who talk about all their conquests with women. That stuff is kryptonite if you let it eat at you. Not all men think the whole purpose of life is to get laid. If you surround yourself with 6'10" basketball players playing basketball, you are going to evaluate yourself on a very narrow criteria. Appreciate your strengths and focus on them. Find friends that celebrate the same…
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 11:46 PM
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Some people are artfully able to protect their boundaries and get their social needs met. They just 'flow'... Occasionally you meet someone with issues. In her case, there are two behaviors - talking over someone and also where she later brings up your feelings about her jumping in. Talking over other people is a common maladjustment, and not always easily addressed. It can just be a need to feel important or it can be an attempt for dominance or moving up the social structure. Perhaps her ego f…
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 12:29 PM
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I agree, sort of. If MGTOW means not participating in society, then there would be no posts about relationships. If MGTOW means rejecting bad relationships/ marriages, then women are going to be part of the conversation for men who aren't happily GTOW. What women are or are not isn't the issue. The issue is what are you going to do in your own situation to find happiness. Like any good men's support group, mods could help the discussion by removing posts that just diss on women and encourage pos…
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 12:10 PM
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That is anthropocentric thinking. Just consider the eventual heat death of the universe and how myopic it is to focus on propagating your genes. There's also the idea that passing on the essence of yourself is not just DNA, but the ideas and emotions you pass on in your relationships. That aspect of yourself survives too.
/r/MGTOW211/05/21 10:08 AM
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Yeah, something about Mormonism.. supposedly a patriarchal religion, except when it comes to domestic life. I think your moving company must be in Utah or something. Fortunately I got out of that world and never married a Molly Mormon who only aspired to be prolific at baby making. Like you, that choice has afforded me a rich life of experiences. I wish you well.
/r/MGTOW211/05/21 10:04 AM
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I would say as soon as a man loses his virginity, he realizes that real sex is nothing at all like what is portrayed in pornography.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 12:46 AM
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I don't know, but it's a hell of a lot more responsible to clean the pipes once in a while rather than have a moment of weakness and get stuck with 18 years of child support and being legally tied to a crazy person.
/r/MGTOW210/05/21 12:21 PM
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That would be my hope for MGTOW2. MGTOW1 seems to have made a nasty name for itself in the eyes of middle earth reddit. I can empathize with posts asking for help processing a romantic experience gone wrong, but dissing on the other sex plays no part in personal growth and just gets your group featured in the AgainstHateSubreddits. [edit: TLDR; This space should be the kind of environment Robert Bly would envision men creating]
/r/MGTOW210/05/21 12:07 PM
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You didn't marry them. Doesn't matter what else you say. If they were the best, you would have married them. I only married one of them, not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:06 PM
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When we pursue men they are ecstatic to be flirted with and they are ecstatic to pretend to be interested in us in order to have sex, but those men eventually leave us for the women they want to pursue. The best women I dated were proactive about the dating process. They presented themselves professionally. Early dates had the same vibe as meeting with a salesman for $1M+ industrial equipment. We had mutual respect for each other, even if the conclusion was we weren't compatible. The FDS types w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:06 PM
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Sure - as a whole, the movie is not an MGTOW movie. If you want that from start to finish, see Gladiator or something like that. The scene above captures the zenith of Lester adopting the mindset of MGTOW. He still has his foibles, and he didn't start out with MGTOW attitudes, so he's a flawed character that evolves. Like all of us. However I see your point that it goes against rule #7.
/r/MGTOW209/05/21 02:19 PM
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I don't think your post deserves a down vote, but a response. I think you can separate the movie from the actor's personal life. What if the gaffer or key grip in American Beauty did what Spacey did? Would we condemn the movie then? The part about feeling sexual attraction to a minor, IMHO, is exploring the same landscape as "Lolita". I thought American Psycho was a very deep movie, but it doesn't mean I endorse or idolize what the main character did at all.
/r/MGTOW208/05/21 11:54 PM
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I love this idea, if we could just force them to date each other. There's already a TV show with this premise - it's called "The Bachelor".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:06 PM
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And that is the best summary of FDS I've seen. So much internal inconsistency it makes my head spin. Women should be sexually liberated, but that also makes them pickme-ishas... I slept with a bunch of guys, but it's their fault they were all LVM. Men should pay for the date. If they do, then they are LVM who have expectations for what happens after. Men should approach me, unless I think they're gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:59 PM
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I'm a married man, but I admit to lurking FDS to see what some women are thinking nowadays. The dialogue gets pretty ugly and repetitive, replete with emasculating terms like scrotes, LVM, SMV, and making fun of men's bodies and genitals... pure locker room talk. Makes me appreciate my wife ever more since she and any of our close female friends would be disgusted by FDS and the concepts presented there. [and our relationship isn't transactional - that's what attracted me to her in the first pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:48 PM
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Yep, same discovery was proclaimed on social media back when we were using gopher to get on the internet. Nothing has changed... don't date these types.
/r/MGTOW208/05/21 02:27 AM
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I'd say she's more of the rule than the exception. I don't know much about her but as I recall, she cheated on her husband with her (married) protege. When the affair was discovered, she told her cuckold husband that he shouldn't be upset about it because it was rational that she and Branden should be sexually involved because they were just mental giants in their collective.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 02:33 AM
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That's quite an insightful post and you say it well. The reason men find MGTOW, lets face it, is because of "suffering" as you call it, related to human relationships that were traumatic. Many of those traumatic relationships were from childhood, which shape the kind of relationships which feel "normal" (not the same as "healthy"). So like any 12 step group, we're learning ways to change our thinking and habits formed from past trauma which keep us in bad relationship experiences with unhealthy …
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 11:28 AM
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Standing up for yourself can also mean getting out of the way. You can stay in a house with a crazy partner and keep standing up for yourself... Or you can get out and get on with life. I applied the same concept at the workplace working with a bully. Rather than play his game, I stood up for myself and left. I could read the office politics and saw my leverage was best applied elsewhere.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 12:05 PM
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Seriously - join the military. It could do someone in your shoes good if you make it work for you (and you gotta have the smarts to make it work for you). You aren't very employable right now given your work history. Soon you will appreciate the dilemma - can't get a job without experience and need a job to get experience. The military can give you a resume and skills that make you employable. Then when you have a steady paycheck, you can invest your savings in whatever crypto currency you fancy…
/r/MGTOW204/05/21 12:48 AM
1

MGTOW is a label on a constellation of memes or concepts. It is not monolithic, but the general unifying idea is not doing anything to cause violence to your soul in the face of societal pressures that want you to do just that.. Not selling your self worth and happiness for a pot of porridge because society wants you to.
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 01:18 PM
5

every time i felt she was the one, she would treat me like utter shit Well then she wasn't the one, and I respect you for not putting up with it. Don't settle for less!
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 01:12 PM
2

Exactly! MGTOW is "going your own way"... and if you happen to find a partner on the journey, well there you are.
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 01:08 PM
5

Q: What changed your mind? A: Meeting the right woman. Q: Why expose yourself to the liability of marriage? A: Anything worth having involves risks. Just don't take stupid risks. From the age of 5, I saw how romance and family turns into a sh_t storm in short order. So I was risk averse and eyes wide open by the time I was a man. It just took a long time to find a woman that I just knew wouldn't take me to the cleaners, and would be happy with me being me.
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 01:05 PM
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Good women exist... I'd say they're just 20% of the field. You'll have to find them IRL, doing normal group activities (softball league, hiking groups, running clubs, board game meetups, etc). Focus on how they make you feel, not how attractive they look. When you meet women of value and integrity, you'll know. You'll just know. It really helps to actually experience dating one who laughs with you and treats you well. After that, you know what you expect from dating and what it should be like, a…
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 12:28 PM
2

It sounds like you hate rule #1 of this forum. Actually you sound rather angry at a number of things. "Are you angry at me, don Juan? "No! I'm never angry at anybody! No human being can do anything important enough for that. You get angry at people when you feel that their acts are important. I don't feel that way any longer.”
/r/MGTOW229/04/21 12:09 PM
2

That's a great story, thanks for sharing. I met my wife at a dance and like you say, we just hit it off... and the rest is history.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 01:53 AM
1

I bet you and your husband shared a community culture, which makes it easier to trust and also evaluate the other person when dating... as opposed to meeting strangers through OLD where everything is permitted. You and your husband began forming your views of each other based on that shared understanding of what the norms were. Happy you found each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:57 PM
1

My thoughts exactly. I'm sure all my first OLD dates that were doomed to failure were doomed hours before with the woman thinking "this guy is probably a LVM just trying to get in my pants"... which is the opposite of "Feminine is uncritical". Experiencing 'The Feminine' is truly humbling and one of the best things in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:51 PM
1

Even if MGTOW weren't a thing, I would consider declining birth rates as a common feature of highly developed societies with knowledge economies. Maybe MGTOW is also a natural outgrowth of a (highly developed) changing society. Movements, or just plain "memes" do not happen in a vacuum. You create the conditions for things to arise, and it's only natural that they will.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 11:45 AM
1

Do you know what will likely happen to your wonderful daughter if she learns that she doesn't matter to you? Do you want to watch her grow up and make incredibly self destructive choices trying to fill the void that you left?
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 01:07 PM
1

I am taking your perspective as one coming from a man in his 20's who started a family unit at a (relatively) early age... but from someone much older than you, it's incredibly selfish... And it is okay to contemplate making selfish decisions. You can tell your partner and daughter "bye bye... I decided I don't want the responsibilities of this relationship". And then you leave. It's only natural to want "me" time... it's how you go about getting it that matters. Realize that finding a fair and …
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 01:01 PM
1

I was there in the 90's.. The signals women sent at clubs were just an opening move. You had to figure out if their ultimate goal was to get free drinks, to shoot you down hard for their own amusement, or they were just being nice. I enjoyed clubs a lot more once I treated it as a place to go have a drink with the bros. Besides, conventional wisdom was that you don't go to a club to find marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:05 PM
1

I'm new here... happily married to a woman that values what a good man brings to the table. I can empathize with a lot of the sentiments because I spent a long time trying to date FDS type women. I would say the mods could do more to tighten up on rule #1 - which is essential, IMHO. We all need to "vent" but there is a subjective point that crosses the line into just being misogynistic and demonstrating powerlessness. Examples include: Generalizing that "women are ___" ...because you keep being …
/r/MGTOW228/03/21 10:20 PM
1

Agreed, in your 20's society makes you think you aren't any good if you aren't getting hammered with a bunch of other people on Friday night. What I really needed after college was connection... it's a hard transition to working life whether you had friends in college or not, because they all go off on their own journey too. So you get out there and start doing the things you like and make friends that way. Post-college life is hard, so you have to be extra vigilant about managing your well bein…
/r/MGTOW227/03/21 12:43 PM
1

I agree online dating isn't really good for finding a girlfriend. These apps make singles treat it like 'Amazon for people' which leads to decision paralysis due to having so many options. At the same time, if you keep doing what you've done, you're going to get what you always get. I'd start changing my thinking from: "women are all [x]" to: "some (or many) women are [x]... and it's my responsibility to avoid them and find women who are not like that". It would be a pretty depressing existence …
/r/MGTOW227/03/21 12:25 PM
1

That was very abusive and had to be traumatic. I didn't have to go to court, but I can see a similar genesis in the anger our mothers had towards men. This wasn't fair to you as an innocent child and I'm sorry you had to go through this. It is a very lonely place for a child to be without the safe harbor of a loving parent.
/r/MGTOW227/03/21 12:40 AM
1

Just had to sign up with a new account because I wanted to respond to this... But definitely 1 and 2. #3 was also true up until I was in my 30's and fortunately is no longer true. I am in my late 40's now and have come a long way from a single mother that took out her anger at my father (who had left when I was 10) on me. I remember going to some friend's house after I was on my own and seeing how my friend and his wife treated their young son... It made me cry with sadness and a bit jealous ove…
/r/MGTOW227/03/21 12:31 AM
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