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Question for RedPillWo-person/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:37 PM
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I think relationships have evolved from being a need to a want. You no longer need to be married in order to have kids or to climb up the social ladder. You can now be with someone because you want to which, in my opinion, is a much better deal. As far as adding anything, both sides need to understand that you're going to get a lot of headaches from your partner, you're going to cry a lot of tears for and because of your partner, and that you're going to have plenty of fights with your partner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 05:01 PM
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Is it because men's issues and concerns are not important? Why is it that this is always touted as the #1 male issue by the manosphere? Men die of testicular and prostate cancer at a much higher rate than they are falsely accused of raping someone. But I guess if it doesn't involve you guys sticking your penis into an unwilling partner it doesn't count. then at the very least let her do something to help fix things. Fining someone a lot of money for parking in a handicap spot is a pretty good de…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 04:07 PM
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So what you're saying is that you don't have a source. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:55 PM
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The chances of you going to jail over a false rape accusations are very very slim honey. Dying of testicular cancer is more likely, why don't worry about real issues hmm? My god you must live in the world's biggest safe space. You guys really need to work on your comebacks my god.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:54 PM
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Because the chances of you going to jail for raping someone are pretty slim and are even slimmer for false accusations. But no, you're right, going to jail where you get 3 meals a day and free health care is far worse than being raped repeatedly. Please tell that to the little girl in Brazil who was gang raped by 30+ men while they filmed the whole thing. I'm sure it'll make her feel much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:48 PM
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If you spend your time on a sub that exists to wallow in your own victimhood and dump on women for not sleeping with you then I'm going to assume that your personality is complete garbage. Why are you defending them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:43 PM
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Congrats on not having your priorities straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:51 PM
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Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:18 PM
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So you're tone policing because I hurt your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:09 PM
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I'm not pretending to be anything, that's all on you. What reason do I have to sympathize with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:02 PM
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And why do you care about bottom of the barrel men? TRP crops on betas and omegas all the time so what's your gimmick here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:48 PM
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I'm sure it exists, people are terrible on both sides. But let's not kid ourselves here and pretend it's a bigger issue that affects people who don't think women are the most responsible teenager in the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:42 PM
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So just continue to waste cash? With the amount of rape convictions that actually go to trial and the even smaller percentage of perpetrators that even see a day in jail, it's pretty safe to assume that a false rape accusations that actually manages to send a man to prison is pretty rare. This entire topic is pretty moot. For the handful of cases of false rape acusations there are hundreds of thousands of more cases of rape victims not getting the justice they deserve. There will always be innoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:40 PM
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I say give her the same sentence he would have gotten. And waste millions of tax dollars locking up someone for a non-violent crime? That doesn't make sense. I know you guys want false accusations to bear the same weight as the actual crime but that's not realistic. If a violent action is taken against the accused once he's found innocent then they should be arrested.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:18 PM
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Cool, I didn't know women having agency over their bodies was a feminist cause and not just something they should be granted because you know they are people but hey whatever floats your boat. Essentially: "don't be depressed just be happy! Socialize more! Toughen up. Cute strawman. And the opposite is what force women to have sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:11 PM
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But you can't lock people up for accusations. We are already wasting millions of dollars locking people up for non violent crimes do you really want to add more?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:08 PM
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I'm a woman who sympathizes with her own grievances and discomforts, shocking I know. Also, Jesus Christ, the contradictions Not being able to get laid because you suck is not in the same ball park as being a victim of domestic violence. I will not empathize with made up problems. I do find it flattering that you took the time to go through my post history though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:31 PM
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I never claimed such a thing, this is a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:26 PM
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Of course the victim should be taken into consideration which is why they should sue their accuser for damages. I don't really know what more you guys want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:23 PM
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Then show me some actual percentages from a reputable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:09 PM
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Rape is still a much worse crime than being falsely accused by any metric. If you're falsely accused and people in your hometown hate you, you can literally move somewhere else and start fresh. Being on the sex offender registry isn't going to deter you much from landing a decent job, and unless you're black, Hispanic, or Arab, chances are you are never going to see the inside of a jail cell.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:08 PM
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And it's way less than actually being forced into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:03 PM
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How is it preposterous? How is it women's fault that men reply more? I'm sensing sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:02 PM
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A false rape allegation can cause you to lose your job and livelihood and be unable to get a new one so you lose your house etc and have to live on wellfare. So you sue the accuser for all the damages. Getting raped causes you psychological distress but in real terms it has less long term impact on your day to day life It causes psychological damage for life. PTSD, depression, paranoia, suicidal thoughts and actions the list goes on and on. Being falsely accused and being actually raped are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:08 PM
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I'm pretty sure being forcefully penetrated is still way worse than having your feelings hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:02 PM
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Worrying about an insignificant miniscule of a percentage of "false rape accusations" is a waste of time along with a waste of tax dollars. Teaching consent and telling girls that it's ok to be more assertive sexually is a more proactive idea. Besides what is a false rape accusations? The perpetrator saying they didn't do it? The guilty don't tend to confess to their crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:58 PM
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Why are you acting so salty?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 05:33 PM
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You're saying that her singlehood will cost her in the long run, when she's being pretty explicit about not wanting a relationship. Relationships don't fix anything. Okay, you caught me. I'm such a pussy about needles. Your words not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 05:29 PM
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I believe generally men like the idea of an enthusiastic partner, but it must be on their terms. This 100%. Men want sex on their terms, how they want it, when they want it. Initiating as a woman only causes disinterest and rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 05:16 PM
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Having sex or being in a relationship isn't going to cure someone of depression or whatever illness they may have. Men seem to push this idea that once you have access to sex all your problems disappear. That might work for some of you or maybe most of you, but that's not how it works for women. I got this tattoo on my arm recently. 8 hours in the chair with this badass artist jackhammering ink into my skin with a small needle. When it was done, he said he was very impressed with how little I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 05:09 PM
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I find them hilarious and cringey. I know a guy who would be labeled an "Alpha" by RP standards and hearing him speak about anything he deems important should be it's own comedy show.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 03:51 PM
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I'm not sympathetic to most people, I'm a misanthrope. Incels are not underprivileged, in fact if you're only woe in life is that youre not getting laid then you're living a pretty good life. Black people face systematic oppression, women face systematic oppression, gay people face systematic oppression. Being called a creep or not getting laid because of your garbage personality is not systematic oppression or prejudice, it's all on you. Lets put things in perspective here. Besides, there is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 03:34 PM
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I pick and choose when I want to be feminine. There are days where I don't particularly care about my appearance and there are days that I do, on the days that I do it's tedious but not hard. I don't think anyone is either masculine or feminine all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:28 PM
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Because a man's inability to land a mate is no one's problem but his own. Women don't owe men sexual favors. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:06 PM
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There are no misconceptions of male sexuality. We see it everyday. It's hoisted upon us in the same way most religious people fear gay people will hoist their lifestyle upon them. We get it, you like boobs and butts, we can't escape it because there are pictures and media of scantily clad women at every corner. You like sex, cool nothing wrong with that. The issue arises when you can't seem to keep it to yourself. Men are really bad at keeping their mouths shut when it comes to their sexual urge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:24 PM
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Assuming this is true and not at all a bitter exaggeration on your part Pem, who cares? The children already exist, if we're talking pragmatic then that's all that really matters. What she did and does with herself before or after those kids have been born is a pretty moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:51 PM
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That sounds like a personal problem buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:44 PM
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Goodbye friend :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 09:23 PM
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No, I'm just trolling you after I realized that you're the type of man I was actually referring to. Get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:52 PM
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Ah yes getting actual help for your problems is terrible advice how silly of me. /s It's not like my username makes it quite obvious that I'm a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:49 PM
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Aww you found me out. Damn, I thought I could play with you for a little longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:46 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:39 PM
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Because it's produced results as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:37 PM
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And your solution is?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:33 PM
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If she built her entire identity around having and obtaining sex then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:27 PM
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The drive for sex is internal for everyone. But obsessing over it to the point where you literally build an entire ideology and identity around it is a huge red flag. There's a reason the word thirsty exists when it comes to sex. Women do not live in a man's body and can never fully understand it. You are not a special snowflake.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:24 PM
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I know you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:50 PM
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No. How would therapy help lame dudes get laid? Helping them realize that having sex isn't the be all end all of the male experience is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:46 PM
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It's not "not wanting stuff" it's understanding that what you want is not going to be achieved in your current state of mind. It's understanding the main reason as to why you want it. It's also placing major importance on something frivolous and pedestalizing it which is unhealthy. It's not the act of getting laid that you want it's the validation. You want that validation because you feel worthless without it. It's a vicious cycle that we have forced men into.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:40 PM
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I've seen read and heard the exact opposite. "Men can't get raped bro, was she hot?" "It didn't hurt that bad, you're a man aren't you? Toughen up." Etc. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:34 PM
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Or how about dealing with your problems in a healthy way by going to therapy and learning to love yourself, pushing getting laid aside for a bit to realize that you're a person not a walking dildo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:32 PM
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It's called confirmation bias. Try not going onto hookup sites. Penis size isnt a bid deal to the general female population. Guys obsess over it way more. No point in obsessing over something you can't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:38 PM
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You can start by losing weight and dropping the attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:30 PM
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The dismissal of male victims is often done by other men. RP isn't excluded from this. This whole "man up" idea and culture is detrimental as obviously shown by the high rate of male suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:24 PM
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Where is the terrible advice? I can't seem to find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:13 PM
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And I can also lay my face on my husbands pecs but no one asking him to put a shirt on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:12 PM
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There's a reason I mentioned "outside of their sub" and then went on to say that RP are the outliers not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:11 PM
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That seems like a personal issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 06:10 PM
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I honestly have no idea. He posted to ask RP a couple days ago, but I think he's still on the fence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:42 AM
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Congrats?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:35 AM
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If you really think that outliers and minorities are the only exceptions to TRP principles then that just means you admit that their philosophy is essentially correct lol Where did I mention this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:33 AM
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RP's entire ideology revolves around disproving the concerns of, mocking, and hurting women so excuse me if I'm going to take their cries for "help" with a grain of salt. Guys that want legitimate help ask us on TBP all the time and we seldom ever turn them away. RPers that show up to patronize and antagonize are going to get mocked and downvoted to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:29 AM
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So what you're saying is that a caste system should be implemented to benefit human society? Because there are a few countries that have such ideas and systems and let me tell you how non-progressive they are. What you're essentially preaching is a halt in human progression. That Asian kid could be the best actor of his generation, while that "aspie" could be one of the most brilliant minds in history. Without betterment and moving forward humanity would literally stand still. The only way we've…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:24 AM
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Aren't they supposed to?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:14 AM
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Breasts are as sexy as beards as in they are secondary sexual characteristics like facial hair. Their only purpose is to feed infants, that's pretty much it. They are not sexual organs like penises or vaginas. Whatever sexual value they currently have in western society is meaningless because they really are nothing more than feeding mechanisms. That's it. The point of the freeing the nipple movement is that boobs are boobs, they aren't anything special and they aren't anything to be sexualized.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 03:13 AM
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Oh well I stand corrected. Thank you for letting me know!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 02:37 AM
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People who disagree in TBP with the members get banned from it That's actually not true. Xemnas and gavinok used to post their frequently until they were banned, probably from bringing up the same topics over and over again and not being satisfied with the answer they were given. We get RPers posting more than once a day on various posts, getting downvoted to hell obviously but still there. TRP will preemptively ban you, on the other hand. BPers outright deny that any portion of TRP is actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 02:31 AM
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They're just trying to cover their bases which is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:57 AM
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No. TBP is a satire sub. We expose ourselves to outliers on purpose. Those outliers are you guys. TBP says all men can get laid easily, even if they are fat nerds. This is a strawman. We don't deal in absolutes, we are not TRP. We deal in possibilities. They have a confirmation bias where anytime they spot a girl liking a guy who is nice to her, they rage here and say "SEE Girls do like nice guys!" As a response to the common RP topic posted here about how women are useless sluts who should be d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:54 AM
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You know, people are always telling me that kids are so fulfilling, that they would do it 8 billion times over If they could, and that it literally gave meaning to their lIves. It seems empty to me, like people have kids because they can't outsmart their own mediocrity and then put all types of titles to it to make it seem like a bigger accomplishment than what it actually is. -gets a legacy. That's not a legacy, you didn't accomplish anything. You aren't passing anything worthwhile on to your c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:42 AM
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A life without a woman is not a life worth living?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:34 AM
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Mentioning outliers is important because it's a possibility. For example a commercial for a type of drug. Even if one person during testing had heart failure because of the drug they were testing, they still have to mention it in their advertising, because, even though that person was an outlier, it's still a possibility. RPers aren't exposed to outliers and minorities outside of their sub, it's an echo chamber. And then they come here and run their mouths about how literally (but not actually l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:31 AM
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Nope. It's not like she's a friend or anything, she's simply an aquinatance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:41 PM
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I'm only an outlier because you want me to be. Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:20 PM
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So I have proved something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:18 PM
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When did I say sex was not important? Good God you're all over the place. Thanks for proving my point for me. Good bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:16 PM
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It's not the truth. My experience invalidates it. Have the courage to see you are being duped by your religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:09 PM
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No I'm not going to call it a day because this isn't just agree to disagree. You're essentially invalidating my experiences and then trying to hold up a white flag as if you're not being completely patronizing. My experience literally invalidates TRP but instead of saying "ok you have yours and I have mine" you keep on spouting that TRP is the truth and that I'm just reacting emotionally because of my dumb lady brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 07:48 PM
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Except it's not the truth. Science in the truth, math is the truth, subjective things like TRP are not the truth. In fact my experience and marriage is a perfect counter to what you've stated. It's invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 07:04 PM
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No. You. Havent. You gave me your personal experience and then TRP dogma which I've already told you I reject for the reasons I already stated. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:43 PM
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No. You. Havent. Your experience doesn't invalidate mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:40 PM
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How am I wrong? Enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:38 PM
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Cool so essentially we're going around in circles again
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:36 PM
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And I had the exact opposite experience
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:34 PM
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And I've had the opposite experience. Idk, maybe I just love and appreciate my man for who he is rather than what he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:32 PM
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Nah, see here's the thing: you haven't said anything new. I was actually expecting something better from you, seeing as youre married and all but no, just the typical RP dogma. Relationships are transactions, men have to be leaders women have to be subservient, it's the nature of things blah blah blah. If a man lifts enough, if a man becomes a better leader, if a man is stoic enough, holds frame enough, dreads enough, understands that a woman's place is underneath his thumb enough then she will …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:24 PM
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The future. I want to colonize mars, turn it into a them park, and roll in the dough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:06 PM
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So essentially yes, if a man is masculine enough then his woman will love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:01 PM
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So if a man is masculine enough Then his woman will love him is that what you're saying? Stop talking like a politician and answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:58 PM
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I never said that men experience love the same as women. Men outside of TRP experience love differently, that's for sure. Im saying that RP men dont realky know what they are talking about because love to you is nothing more than a transaction concentrated in apearances and physicality. You've yet to answer my question, which is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:54 PM
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So if a man is masculine enough Then his woman will love him is that what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:34 PM
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Strong masculine men in TRP speak: physically attractive men with money who are confident and don't take any crap from their women. Men who are confident and take leadership, who are stoic and dark triad. Your love is all about appearances and smoke screens. It's shallow to say the least. Again you don't really know what you're talking about because I doubt you ever experienced it. You keep proving my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:29 PM
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So love is just physical attraction? Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:23 PM
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I've done it maybe once in my marriage and it was during a really rocky time. Other than that, no. I grew up in a house where that type of behavior was commonplace and I would never want to instill those feelings into the person I love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:10 PM
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I don't care. Your claim that REds don't know how love works is wrong. Then prove me wrong. The floor is yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:08 PM
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We claim people are complex. Outside of the Internet you are probably a more complex person as well. But while you're here, at PPD, where RP ideology is a pretty unified dogma that all members seem to aline under, I'm going to generalize you because I can. Now, are you going to tackle the discussion at hand or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:55 PM
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Asshole aren't liked and yes, you can absolutely change your attitude. It's not inherent like you guys like to harp on about. And before you start crying about how women date asshole anyways let me just explain something to you: a) they seem like assholes to you because you are jealous and bias b) they could actually be assholes to everyone else but their SO c) the woman who is dating him could be trying to change him even though he is an asshole to her, kind of like a romance novel. You calling…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:46 PM
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I'm using you in the general sense. By kick6's replies, he's made it pretty obvious that to him love is nothing more than some physical nonsense that he can insight in every woman he meets by using some type of equation. That's not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:27 PM
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Because love to you guys essentially boils down to physical attraction. You try to rationalize it. That's not how it works and you'd understand that if you'd ever actually experienced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:13 PM
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So a man who is unattractive is treated as a lesser human being, and anything he says, does or feels "doesn't count". On the other hand, even morbidly obese women with no concept of personal hygiene are ever counted that low. Yeah you kinda did. It's almost as if you're trying to blame women for male attention. I'm sensing sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:11 PM
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Because OPs main point is nonsense. All it boils down to is: "us men don't ask for much why can't those uppity harpies just do the same?" Then you wouldn't mind when we want: Why would i? I haven't been in the dating pool in years. I really don't care about your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:06 PM
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It's irrelevant to the current discussion. The point I made with the stabbing example was a different topic than the one we are discussing now. His cheetos example is still coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:04 PM
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Great!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 07:46 PM
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By style they mean maturity. If you know how to put yourself together and carry yourself properly, then it's going to be more attractive. Money is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 07:14 PM
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No actually. That's not how I interpreted it at all. You're replying as well, which also proves that you too care. Let's face it, we aren't going to get anywhere. Its just fascinating to me how an RPer is talking about love. Like, youre so certain youve experienced it. Fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 07:11 PM
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The fact that even unnattractive women are still given male attention. You've framed this in a way that, to me, makes it seem like it's women's fault that unnattractive men aren't given attention unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:37 PM
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Maybe I should mention that your opinion on my experience is also invalid. Circles and all that. I really don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:35 PM
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Wow a blue pill woman and a red pill woman agreeing on what love is and how it's real and not completely physical. A hole is about to rip in the fabric of space time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:31 PM
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How is this a woman's problem though?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:24 PM
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And men want too little and that's somehow women's problem as well. It's not their fault men are shallow. Maybe you guys should have a longer list as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:23 PM
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Well what do we know, we're just dumb solipsistic feeeeeemales who are confusing gina tingles with looove whatever that is amirite? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:22 PM
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It's impossible to rationalize it even if you wanted to. It's stumped scholars for centuries. It just happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:17 PM
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Wanting an adult for a partner is now entitlement? Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:14 PM
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but it seems that you have no idea how kinks and the kink community works Ironic statement coming from someone who is literally outraged that some men enjoy being cucked. You're being solipsistic. People who undergo severe abuse don't know they're being abused. So now cucks who decide they enjoy being cucked and have taken the reigns of their own sexuality and are essentially in control (because he has the power to say no if he wants to) are being abused by their own sexual desires? Do you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:12 PM
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Great I'm glad you understand that this is just going in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:01 PM
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You've observed their behavior first-hand? You can come to a conclusion a priori simply by understanding how kinks and the kink community itself works. Cucks don't want to see any woman with another man, it's normally their SO or their wife or someone they have a really deep relationship with. Assuming that he enjoys this, and that she is a willing participant, then coming to a conclusion that they love each other or at least trust each other very much is not far fetched. The biology TRP focuses…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:00 PM
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And I disagree for the reasons I have already stated. Your experience means literally nothing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:42 PM
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The grass always seems greener on the other side when you are desperate. We've all been in that situation, even the best of us. "SJWs " arent lowering beauty standards for women for men. They are doing it for women. You shouldn't take it so personally. If you don't like overweight women then you don't like them. No one is forcing you to change what you like. Reposted because why not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:35 PM
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It's called observations. Observe their behavior. Yes! And by observing that the man enjoys cucking and the woman enjoys participating, then you can conclude that they love each other. Predispositions are everything, that's the path TRP takes when talking about human behavior. AWALT. Except that we're more than our biology which is why TRP falls short. You guys never take nuance into consideration and lack skepticism. Men are willingly being cucked because of how desperate they are. Or maybe, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:34 PM
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And who are you to gauge how much someone loves his or her partner? Hmm? Genetics say we do. Neuroscience says we do. Psychology says we do. No they dont, they suggest we are predisposed to act certain ways and like certain things but it's not written in stone and outliers occur all the time. Again, divorce yourself from this black and white reality you live in. You're acting like women are forcing men to enjoy being cucked. No, these men decide they like it. It's not that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:14 PM
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The grass always seems greener on the other side when you are desperate. We've all been in that situation, even the best of us. "SJWs " arent lowering beauty standards for women for men. They are doing it for women. You shouldn't take it so personally. If you don't like overweight women then you don't like them. No one is forcing you to change what you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:10 PM
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I don't have to. It takes a lot of love and trust to reveal your kink to someone let alone actually do it. I'm against this because it's yet another way men are feminized, and it's disgusting You need to divorce yourself from this idea that men and women belong in perfect separate little boxes because humans are messy and that's not how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:58 PM
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And until you've loved someone so much that you literally can't picture your life without them, where every morning you wake up and automatically look over to see if they are still there, where you've encouraged them to follow their passion whatever it may be, where you helped them back up at their lowest times, where you've had screaming matches, went to bed angry, and realized that whatever you were arguing about is completely stupid, where, even when you couldn't stand them, you'd still jump …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:54 PM
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I have more experience with love period because I am married.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:30 PM
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I think a lot of them do, which is pretty sad. Love is an amazing thing to have and to experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:30 PM
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It's obvious by this kink and many others that people do, in fact, experience love differently. Why are you so against this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:28 PM
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I have more experience when it comes to love than you do, so your premise is pretty moot. And round and round we go.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:27 PM
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Do you understand that people experience love differently? Maybe to him, being cucked is proof that he loves her and vice versa. Things aren't so rigid as you want them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:20 PM
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And of course trying to explain it to him would be an almost impossible task because he doesn't seem very sceceptible to such an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:19 PM
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And like I said before, I disagree. It's 2 different clicks. When it comes to love I have more experience than you. We're just going to go around in circles at this rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:16 PM
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I want you to show meeeee Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 04:04 PM
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If it's an agreed upon kink then yes. I'm really not understanding your point. If a man enjoys being pegged and the woman enjoys pegging him, does she still love him? If a wife gets off on being choked during sex and he enjoys it, does he still love her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:59 PM
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I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. You're saying it's the same click. I'm saying it's not. You say I don't know that out of lack of experience. I'm saying the same thing. Again pot meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:55 PM
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Yeah. People have weird kinks all the time, they still love each other. What's the point of this discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:53 PM
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I disagree that they are the same. Causing feelings of infatuation is easy and people often times mistake it for love. But infatuation doesn't last unlike love, it's 2 different clicks. Your utter lack of experience in this matter? Pot meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:49 PM
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I married the first and only man I ever had sex with. I disagree with your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:40 PM
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Having a laundry list of requisites is the opposite of shallowness there buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:37 PM
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Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:35 PM
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Hint: it's the model.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 02:52 AM
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I'm a freelance concept artist. Guess how many people actually care about character rigging or color pallets or mood boards? Not many. What you need to understand is that stereotypes are safe. Men do the same thing when looking for partners as well. Is he going to go for the geeky chick or the model? Pretty obvious answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 01:28 AM
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Completely irrelevant to the current discussion but thanks for letting me you've been keeping up with my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 01:20 AM
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The point is they've come together for a reason. Actually, most RPWs can't stand RP men which is why they've split entirely and formed their own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 11:23 PM
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That sounds like a personal problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 10:43 PM
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I think we're talking about 2 different clicks here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 10:42 PM
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Not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:31 PM
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Like I said, we're not going to agree so it's best we part ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:16 PM
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Marriage is a sexual relationship. And this is why we will never come to any type of agreement. Sex is important, but everything else is not irrelevant like you said. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:14 PM
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Pretty much this. I'm actually quite stumped, because idk how to answer. It's the click thing like you said, this weird thing that you just know you're going to be with a person for an indefinite amount of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:12 PM
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That's a beautiful hamsterization like always Pem, but no, not even close. What I was saying is that the standards that men use to vet for partners are essentially lacking. This is probably why a lot of men complain that their wives have "changed". Don't get me wrong, idealism is nice, we wouldn't be anywhere as a species if it weren't for the idealists in society to continue to push things forward. But at some point you have to realize that looks fade, niceness doesn't pay the bills and sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:01 PM
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If they thought about the future then her career and financial situation would come into consideration, but, like you RPers LOVE to say: "I can't fuck your degree." Particularly since it's HIS future that's on the line once the "I DO's" are said. It takes 2 to tango so I don't know what you're going on about. Women should either marry men they want to well and truly get down and dirty with; And men should get married to women who will be good partners besides looks and sexual organs. Or they sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 08:00 PM
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And it's not women's problem that men don't have a longer list of prerequisites when vetting for partners. Women tend to think about the future. Men not so much. As long as he can out his peen in her that's all he seems to care about, which is flawed. Men and women should meet somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:52 PM
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It's a realist vs idealist. Women often times put sexual attraction at lower tier when vetting for spouses while the opposite is true for men. It's incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:41 PM
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The men who have this mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:40 PM
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Of course I do and i'd wager it's a factor in the divorce stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:36 PM
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because it's the basis for a man's sexual attraction to women And it's not a woman's problem that he can't see past his phallus. Shortsightedness is most definitely a character flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:33 PM
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It is a character flaw, because he should be thinking realistically not idealistically. He's setting himself up for disappointment and failure. It goes past sexual attraction, good dick comes and goes. There needs to be something deeper for the relationship to work and he should most definitely have a longer list of prerequisites that go beyond looks and how nice she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:29 PM
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The good ones pair up with each other which is why you hear "where have all the good men gone" along with "women are hypergamous trash haha AWALT"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:23 PM
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Well, besides the fact that if men disappear there would be an incredibly sharp decrease in crime, do you really think women wouldn't take up those jobs, a few of which are being replaced by technology?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:44 PM
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You don't get to decide your worth Society can't objectively dictate anything because society is subjective. What a society is can range between your neighborhood to your entire state. Society is just a program. Within said program you have limitations the most common being don't hurt anyone or you'll go to jail, but other than that the worth of a person is entirely decided by the user. Objectively speaking, every human on the planet whether male or female is inherently and equally valuable. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:35 PM
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Leave my house OR have sex with me It's still coercion no matter how you put it. Your threatening them to submit to your will or else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:10 PM
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Like I said before, it's not a woman's problem if men have shallow standards. "Nice" and "pretty" aren't going to pay the bills. It's not realistic. Men are total idealists which probably contributes to the divorce rate. You can only live in your fantasy world for so long..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:08 PM
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Life doesn't care about niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:54 PM
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Then men should pick better partners and have a longer list of requisites besides pretty and nothe fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:54 PM
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most guys only care that a girl is cute and nice. And that's a character flaw on them. That's how you end up with a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:40 PM
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This assumes that the only thing of value a woman has to bring to the table is her looks, which is fundamentally flawed. You're entire premise falls apart. The fact that men don't demand all these things from women is entirely on them. It's not women's fault that you guys are shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:33 PM
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Like I told you before, threatening to kick someone out of your house if they won't have sex with you is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:16 PM
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You and me both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:08 PM
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No, like you said, it's just a milestone. Having marriage as some type of dream is aiming low in life, imo. Don't get me wrong, I love my husband and want to make him happy but that's not my ultimate goal. And I don't think by being married to him I've crushed his dreams either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:07 PM
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I'm not avoiding the question, I'm giving you an explicit answer. You just don't like it because you can't snake your way around my reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:57 PM
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Civil suits exist for a reason. But we're not talking about you being a dick to your friend. You're comparing apples to oranges. Like I told you before, threatening to kick someone out of your house if they won't have sex with you is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:17 PM
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Sexual assault and rape are not the same thing. Domestic battery is also a thing that exists. Coercion is illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:09 PM
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I think coercion should only make it sexual assault if you threaten to do something illegal. Coercing someone to do something is illegal friend. Your forcing someone to submit to your will via threats and an unjust use of power. If a sexual assault case cannot be made then domestic battery can definitely apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:08 PM
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Is me telling my friend that he can't play my Xbox One unless he gives me a bag of cheetos extortion/coercion? By definition, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:56 PM
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co·er·cion kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/Submit noun the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:41 AM
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Threatening to kick someone out of your house if they won't fuck you is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:37 AM
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It's the same thing. No, it's not. You're motivation is fear, not love. You created a contract in your brain to abide by or else your SO will dump you. Now, even if you abide by that contract your SO can still choose to leave. Relationships are more than a transaction. n a world full of overweight/obese people who are in debt and so many people don't know or just don't care about basic cooking or housekeeping skills. So... And yet those people can still find relationships and fall in love so thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:36 AM
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You realize coercing someone into having sex with you is still sexual assault right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:27 AM
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See, this is a cop out. Whenever a man is getting criticized for his actions RPers immediately pull this out like it's some type of gotcha. We're not talking about the woman right now, we're talking about the man. If it was a woman who got off on stabbing men to death I doubt any of you would say: "oh well he has agency, he could have just left before she stabbed him."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:22 AM
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His name is Chad. That's it. That's all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:16 PM
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Your opinion of its content isn't of concern one way or another. Then why do you continue to reply to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:12 PM
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I'm glad you take the fiction as fact. I'm a little more skeptical than you, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:06 PM
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I'm sure there is a kernel in there somewhere but is completely overshadowed by the sheer amount of rejected fiction material. Maybe you guys should curb your content better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:02 PM
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Yeah. I've yet to see a post that has nothing to do with one upping an evil harlet that is 100% real. You guys are essentially writing oddysseys and plugging yourselves in as the great Greek heroes. Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining but there is a line between fact and fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 08:57 PM
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TRP is entirely made up of revenge fantasies. Most of the guys over there have such little luck with women that these types of fantasies can never play out. Or those that do score every once in a while lie about their field reports. They have very little power in the real world, especially when it comes to women so you end up with these types of posts. I'd wager 99% of them are meek little boys especially when it comes to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 08:48 PM
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Glad to see you're still kicking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 08:37 PM
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Didnt he go through a divorce? Maybe he's super salty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:43 PM
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A "bf or a crush" can still be a shitty pick. To you but it probably wasn't to these women at the time. You can pick the most amazing person ever but that doesn't mean that your first time isn't going to be lack luster. You seem to chalk up all these "eh" experiences as just bad picks because you probably can't imagine your first time as anything short of amazing because you're a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:38 PM
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Pro tip: average people are generally invisible, both men and women. Dropping the victim mentality will probably help your outlook in life. if an Omega man who isn't in your circle of friends committed suicide, would you feel sympathetic towards him? Yeah, but strangers die everyday. Tis life. are you going out of your way to be friendly to guys who are at the bottom of the social hierarchy? If they cross my path sure, but I'm not going to drop whatever I'm doing to appease someone else. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:34 PM
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If you weren't cherry picking you'd notice that a lot of the women here lost their virginity with a bf or a crush. Just because it's with a special person doesn't mean the act itself is life altering like it is for guys. I think you're being a little solipsistic. All the candle light and petals in the world isn't going to change the fact that the first time is going to be incredibly lack luster for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:16 PM
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The "omg it was so magical and other worldly blah blah blah" replies are also all from dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:12 PM
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I lost my virginity to the man I married. It was also a pinnacle point in my life where I realized that people are essentially morons 99% of the time who make the biggest deal out of the dumbest things. Was it romantic? Sure. Was it meaningful? Yeah. But all those sweet nothings and cuddles could not overshadow the irritation that I felt. Every single person around me had made sex an incredibly taboo thing and it turns out that it wasn't a big deal at all. Nothing about me changed, nothing about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 05:24 PM
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My mom tried to raise me to be as traditionally feminine as possible. She also told me that feminists were masculine ugly women who were just upset that they couldn't land a date. All of this blew up in her face obviously. My grandma didn't care about any of that stuff and would constantly harp on about how happy she is she's a widow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:14 PM
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Why you made this personal is beyond me. As if I'd ever talk about my husband in such a manner. My argument over on BP was constructed with data that has shown women are still expected to do the bulk of the house work even when they have a job and a spouse. If you had been paying attention then you would have noticed that I said a man should not be putting unnecessary hours at work when he can just put those ours at home with his family. I don't understand why this rustled your jimmies so much. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:37 PM
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He seems to be really concerned about power which seems kind of unhealthy. I mean, both parties always have power in an egalitarian relationship but one is not at the mercy of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:32 PM
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The fact that you not only misconstrued my argument but are actively stalking me is telling. Please go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:28 PM
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Well, if you're really going to twist my arm, here's how it'd probably go. We'd both asses how much we want X and Y. If he realizes that X means a lot to me whereas Y wouldn't make him as happy as X would make me then he'd probably cave and we'd go with X. Vice versa for me. If we both realize that X is the better option then we'do go with X, and vice versa for Y. If we're both being extra stubborn but it doesn't really matter what choice we make, then coin toss. Almost always we'd be on the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:33 PM
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Well both parties always have power. My husband and I could both go cheating on each other right now and assert our power, or I could point a gun at him and he could point a gun at me and assert our power. I don't really understand where you're going with this. In an egalitarian relationship you use your power equally to make the other happy and to make the relationship move forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:28 PM
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Why can't I go with Z?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:19 PM
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But since relationships are essentially all about having power over your partner (like you described in your OP) then it is fair to say that one partner loses. Egalitarian relationships don't work for polar opposites from my experience, so I too have rarely seen such type of a dilemma occur (including my own relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:17 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:08 PM
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Thank you bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:05 PM
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You flip a coin or go with something else. It's not that hard fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:04 PM
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Or if all else fails my husband and I go with Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:00 PM
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Are you aware that you are probably a victim to your own bias? Sometimes we see things that aren't actually there. I don't think anyone in an egalitarian relationship keeps score or tries to make everything 50/50, it's impossible. There just isn't a definitive "leader". This is how my marriage works, when it comes to the small stuff the person with the most experience is the default "head" but the big stuff is decided on compromise. If we both put in hard work into the relationship then we shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 07:38 PM
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You realize TRP is just one giant exception fallacy right? It's made up entirely of biased anecdotes because thats the only thing they have. And it's not a bad thing, reality is entirely subjective so I don't blame them. I don't see BP arguing that women don't like taller men or prefer a higher earning partner, what they are arguing against is the TRP dogmatic idea that women should like these things because it is "naturally ingrained" in their DNA from the caveman days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:36 PM
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I never said men are dependent on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:24 PM
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Men aren't special snowflakes, get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:50 AM
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Can women not form relationships unless they are codependent? Is this what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:46 AM
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And I hear too many stories of men leaving their ill or aging or out of shape wives and yet that's still not enough for me to believe that it'll happen to me. This can also be said about doing something as simple as getting in your car or going scuba diving: just because something bad can happen doesn't mean it will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:45 AM
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What would be the point of being with someone who doesn't share common interests? If there is no future then there is no point imo. I wouldn't be with hubby if we were polar opposites.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:29 AM
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I try but they just don't interest me enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 08:03 PM
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BP Women: do you like being dominant in the bedroom? I like switching back and forth between roles. I just wish he'd let me bruise him when he chokes me. :( How does this compare to how assertive you are in social situations? I'm not a wallflower if that's what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:12 PM
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NO
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:07 PM
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I just find it funny how you made a post about tempest and wingnut. Can they not fight their own battles? Or is it something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:07 PM
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Thanks to my up-bringing I can read people fairly well. Not to mention that my interests and RP interests don't mesh so we wouldn't even be in the same social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:05 PM
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I'm not projecting anything and I'm well aware as to why you made this thread to begin with which has nothing to do with curiosity. RPers get called out all the time and you've never made a fuss until Tempest and Wingnut were up to bat. It's just convenient and predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:46 PM
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I hate the purple banner. It should be a different shade of purple. This purple is too muted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:43 PM
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OP doesn't seem to understand that women don't obsess over dick sizes like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:30 PM
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More serious? I think you're being a little dramatic. It was just someone venting, the anger phase and all that jazz you know? People can vent on BP. No one is hurting anyone with some words and I don't see anyone trying to doxx other users so I don't know what you mean by "more serious". That still doesn't answer my question though: why do you (as in you personally) care?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:24 PM
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Quick question: why do you care exactly? I mean words can't actually hurt you. I'm pretty sure I know the answer but, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:09 PM
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Both hubby and I are living like this. We're both pretty satisfied although we'very been talking about threesomes for a bit, we were pretty young when we got hitched. Different strokes for different folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 06:01 PM
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I'm assuming this applies to TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:57 PM
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Or maybe, just maybe, TRP isn't the only way to achieve sexual success. I know, what a novel idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:54 PM
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It's the other way around buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:53 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 05:42 PM
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Of course it is honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:39 PM
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And they have absolutely nothing of value to add to a woman who can obtain all of those things herself. I already knew the answer. I knew they'd go for their looks, money, and sexual prowess and pat themselves on the back for being such a "catch". At the end of the day they are no better than the women they complain about: pot meet kettle. They are not worth the hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:38 PM
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What I'm essentially trying to point out is that those things don't add any type of value. A woman who can obtain materialistic things herself isn't going to suddenly find her partner more valuable than herself because he doesn't offer anything that she can't a obtain on her own. RPers essentially only have their wallets and dicks, and that's somehow supposed to be impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:17 PM
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Are you unable to tell someone to go away without having an attitude about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:15 AM
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No, going out of your way to be rude is a waste of energy. Hate all you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:10 AM
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It just seems like a giant waste of energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 03:01 AM
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Okay and?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:57 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:50 AM
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I hope so too thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:49 AM
6

It is amazing that he actually wants to listen to you. Well of course! We're a team. And it's great that you now feel comfortable with sharing your issues with him. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:34 AM
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I've actually been trying to communicate better with my husband. We can talk about anything except things that bother me. When I'm upset I tend to avoid him because I don't want to bother him. That in turn causes him stress because he wants to know what's up since, you know, he's my husband and that's part of the job. I didn't realize that by actively trying to play off my stress and feigning happiness I was actually causing him a lot of anxiety. So I've been trying to talk more, little by littl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:24 AM
0

Well TRP is called an echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:14 AM
1

It's the same thing. People change their minds about things all the time, men, women, even my own dog. Accept it. I used to hate anchovies, I love them now. My husband used to hate anything that weren't Nike SBs, now he wears onitsuka tigers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 01:14 AM
2

Yeah, this. TRP likes to exaggerate way too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:08 PM
0

Your flair states otherwise but it's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:05 PM
0

But would you expect protection and safety like what I linked above from your partner? No, I'd be pretty angry actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 11:01 PM
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I made this question for RP because it is RP that constantly critiques the value the modern woman has or lack thereof. I wanted to switch the script and see if RP men could bring anything to the table that women can't get on their own. connection/intimacy/companionship The mention of anything outside of material things has been lacking in this thread which shows that RPers don't really see themselves any better than the women they dislike. Purples and blues get it, reds dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:58 PM
4

It's not a difficult concept. My relationship is like this as well. Compromising and coming to a happy medium is key assuming both partners want to make the other happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 09:49 PM
3

You're not an RP man. You're purple which is why you seem to be the only one that gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 09:26 PM
4

Point me to a comment that doesn't offer things a woman can get on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 09:01 PM
2

I was trying to use this as an introspection excercise but yeah, pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 08:50 PM
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I wanted to use this as an introspection excercise. Everything offered by an RP man in this thread are all things women could get on their own. Essentially they don't have anything to offer that women can't already obtain. Everyone went straight with materialistic things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 08:48 PM
4

No. A woman can get all of that on her own. I want to see if RPers can offer more than materialistic goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:09 PM
3

Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:47 PM
1

I edited the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:46 PM
1

Right, but does that make you LTR material?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:40 PM
1

And men do the same thing. My closest male friend says he loves big boobs, and yet his wife is an A cup. A man will say he likes smart girls and only hooks up with idiots. Another man will say that blondes are the hottest and dates a brunette. When it comes to what humans find attractive, it's hard to put on paper. You can say generic crap but you won't know unless you experience it. And seeing as there is a plethora of attractive traits out there, it's no surprise that people change their mind.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:27 AM
0

I'm in a leadership position at work. I make a lot of money which makes me happy, whether my husband finds that attractive or not is his problem not mine. Women should learn leadership skills or take leadership roles. Who cares what some men think?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:16 AM
0

So original.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 09:13 PM
2

At some point you have to realize that your opponent is essentially a child who is furious he is not getting his way. There is only so much patience blue pillers have before saying fuck it. Arguing with red pillers is like arguing with religious zealots. They will never understand the fact that there is a big wide world outside of their tiny little hole of a reality and trying to convince them otherwise is futile. This place is essentially an echo chamber. Trying to argue with lunatics is a wast…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:48 PM
2

Riiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:40 PM
1

And you as well pumpkin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:39 PM
4

This sub is just a giant shit show. I love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:13 AM
3

The female population would be pretty lonely without men around I did. You're just being daft.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:11 AM
3

The female population would be pretty lonely without men around and vice versa. People are creatures with feelings and ideas not means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:08 AM
3

Men and women are both equally necessary and this complete garbage just continues to divide us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:58 AM
6

He proves that Republicans are an undereducated class.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:46 AM
1

Lemon pepper and coarse sea-salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:44 AM
4

You mean a stalker? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:43 AM
3

More opportunity means nothing without action. The stats show that men still cheat more. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:41 AM
1

Yes. Next question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:37 AM
1

Hit the nail on the head. Upboat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:32 AM
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I wouldnt say that all men do this, only the ones who's masculinity is based on outside validation. You know, the type of guy who has to buy male hygiene products or else his dick falls off, God forbid he touches a tampon. They are low tier specimens who, much like small dogs, bark and bark to make themselves seem more threatening. In other words, men who speak like this about women have crippling insecurities that they cannot deal with. There is no evolutionary need for it, this isn't natural m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:31 AM
2

Since virginity is a made up concept, it depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 05:45 PM
2

Can i confirm that I make more than my husband and am happiest this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:10 PM
2

What I love about this thread, OP, is that the main reason women supposedly have it easier according to RPers is because of sex. They literally cannot fathom a reality outside the length of their penises and believe this to be so for everyone especially women. It's quite telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 07:47 PM
2

No. You're always in control of your actions unless you have a gun to your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 07:11 PM
1

No it's a cheap cop-out used by bottom feeders.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 06:20 PM
0

Because men are better people than women. If a girl sends out a nude, she shouldn't expect privacy. Hamster overload.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 06:11 PM
1

what are your thoughts on this? Harassment like this should be met with immediate retaliation. I'd go as far as to find out if the guy had any religious affiliation and send it to his clergymen. Hit em where it hurts. Women need to learn to be more assertive and if the guy can't take a hint then you put him into the ground. This is why I tell every woman I know to carry a weapon on her at all times and to not be afraid to pull it out when she feels she is in danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 05:59 PM
1

stay true to who you are and accept being an outcast. Better option. Gender roles are for sheeple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 08:28 PM
1

Men working more dangerous jobs is not female privilege. Let's not forget that male dominated sectors tend to be pretty biased towards female employees and trades are harder to get into as a woman due to lack of upper body strength, and the fact that they are seen as less capable by their peers. The dangerous aspect of it is due to companies pinching pennies by not putting in more safety regulations. And let's not pretend that RPers actually give a crap about these men, they are just using it as…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 08:07 PM
2

You have wholly bought into the notion that it is good and right and proper for women to have ALL THE SAME strengths and roles as men. No, I'm pretty sure she bought the fact that a woman is not mentally incapable of making her own decisions because she has a vagina and needs to defer to a man in order to function.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:57 AM
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Divorce rates will plummet as the boomers die off and the pressure to marry out of necessity disappears. Birthrates will also hit the ground seeing as the price to raise a child will only rise not to mention more couples are opting out of kids because the societal pressure isn't really there. At least here in the first world anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:45 AM
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Soft power is essentially the ability to influence someone else covertly. I meant "good for her" very tongue in cheek. I couldn't imagine such a role for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:39 AM
1

That's your opinion my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:38 AM
2

Why do you think that there is no such thing as co-captain on an actual ship? Romantic relationships and marriages are not ships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 03:38 AM
1

Looked up the results. What a shit show. It's a shame, I was rooting for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 04:18 AM
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But they never will. My dog could probably kick my ass, and yet she is a loyal companion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 04:12 AM
1

Does Bernie still have a chance? I haven't been keeping up with super Tuesday.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 04:09 AM
1

We might have to settle for a shit-flinger or a compulsive liar for president unfortunately. sigh
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 04:05 AM
1

Some are most are not. Tis life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 03:41 AM
2

This still has nothing to do with relationships (which is what i was talk about) and those trained killers have to follow the leadership of a man who is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 03:32 AM
2

We seemed to have interpreted the OP differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 03:13 AM
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So a woman shouldn't be a leader because she can't beat a guy to death? And this pertains to relationships how? I mean a female leader could simply pull out a gun a kill any problematic soldier. but any type of leadership where physicality comes into play, which in my opinion is all forms of legitimate leadership, a man should be in charge. I'm pretty sure president Obama didn't punch his way to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 03:12 AM
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But I don't see anyone forcing you that direction. The OP doesn't understand why a woman wouldn't want an RP relationship unless she's afraid she'd loose privileges. For the sake of the debate I used myself as an example since he was so convinced that an RP relationship is a one size fits all to demonstrate a point. I never said anyone is forcing me, we're speaking hypotheticals. So don't do it. See above. It isn't that my wife is a woman, its that her role is first mate, not captain. And she de…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 02:30 AM
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Last time I had checked I thought he had the black vote in the bag seeing as he was arrested when he was younger for protesting segregation and the fact that he reached out to the black community more than Hillary. Berniebros There's always that one group that ruins it for the rest of us -_-
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 02:12 AM
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I can't believe most of the black vote in SC went to Hillary. What in the ass...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:51 AM
2

Well now it's not, so you have to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:50 AM
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If the man wants to be in control, it's better if he is for truly deep-rooted reasons. Why? Why does my vagina make me incapable of leading? If you cannot compromise your own desires with what's good for the LTR, And those compromises are made with the idea of reciprocity. I compromise with x he compromises with y. Not I compromise with x, y, z and the entire Greek alphabet while he reaps all the reward solely because he is a man. simply because you have ignored the value of influence vs. contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:45 AM
3

How about, for starters, that you know you have someone you can count on, someone who doesn't need to be dominated? You're assuming that I dominate my husband. That's not the case. We're both dominant people so our relationship is built on healthy compromise. No refined person in a dominant position of the relationship would dismiss without regard for content except perhaps to save face But why should the man be the default leader? What skills does he have that I as a woman dont? I would never l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:26 AM
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And what emotional payoff is that? Are you making the claim that when you don't get your way in a difference of opinion you are unsatisfied with the relationship? When my opinion is unimportant to the point that I can't even make important decisions due to my x chromosome, then I'd definitely be unsatisfied with the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 12:51 AM
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Yes, in a perfect world teaching a child a concept would be enough but that's not how life works unfortunately. As it stands, most people who save themselves for marriage tend to be religious for the most part. Religion and society as a whole dont really paint a pretty picture when it comes to sex for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 12:27 AM
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The problem with Internet niches like these is that you forget that there's an entire world outside of your screen. Everything TRP spouts are concepts that have been around for a long time. It's not anything new. Now, I'm assuming that you don't understand why women, especially feminists, are resistant to TRP ideals (correct me if I'm wrong), unless there is some type of privilege they'd loose in the process. Now, I can only speak for myself, but the thought of deferring to someone simply becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 12:22 AM
1

I'd murder him with my bare hands. Bummer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:45 PM
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And what makes you think that an inexperienced virgin, who is most likely religious and hasnt had a solid relationship foundation due to inexperience, is actually going to understand that sex and love are entertwined or is going to find sex enjoyable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:43 PM
1

Well, can't say I'm shocked. Thank you for the article!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:28 PM
3

So nothing that she can't get for herself on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:21 PM
1

Then what are you measuring success as?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:17 PM
2

According to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:08 PM
2

That doesn't answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:08 PM
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Yes, a virgin who's never had sex is really going to understand that sex, relationships, and love are all entertwined. Are you being serious right now or are you really completely unaware of how the world generally works? Would you like to visit dead bedrooms?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:54 PM
6

You are so melo-dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:48 PM
3

Strong male and female characters are essentially garbage. They're both one-dimensional literary equivalents to click-bait articles marketed towards nerds of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:41 PM
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One study backing you up whose results have yet to be replicated. You're spreading around a dubious claim shown in one research paper. That's like me saying that the sky is actually purple because a single study said so even though plenty of other studies show that the sky, is in fact, blue. I'm really not here to deal with your hang-ups about all the bogus crap posted to this subreddit, I'm just letting you know that your claim holds little water and that letting go of your very obvious bias fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:33 PM
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her odds of divorce increase by 50%. Said by one study one time which has yet to be replicated. You shouldn't take everything at face value, especially scientific research.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:22 PM
3

starts offering everyone Turkish delight
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 10:00 PM
1

Ontologically, though, I'm pretty beholden to the relative unchangeability of what constitutes masculinity and femininity and how those are expressed. I agree to a degree. What is masculine at the time will always be defined by traits and behaviors displayed in men and vice versa in women. Of course those concepts arent set in stone and there's plenty of fluidity between the two but for the most part breasts will always be feminine while strong arms, or facial hair will always be masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:56 PM
3

Cold to less cold. "Who fucked with the thermostat?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:39 PM
1

Sorry! I agree with you for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:33 PM
2

Yeah, especially for another family. I already answered this above. But women don't seem to obsess over other women's vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:23 PM
1

I didn't quite understand what you were getting at for a bit because the original OP framed this discussion based on appearances and personality traits: My question is, can the traditional constructs of femininity and masculinity, only in terms of physical appearance, and personality traits(do not laws or legal equality here) ever be redefined?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:21 PM
1

We can't seem to get away from the phallus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:16 PM
3

Fear what scenario? A second family? Yeah, but they don't obsess about it. My sister-in-law's baby daddy turns out to be the baby daddy of a lot of babies. Is this going to somehow cause me to distrust my husband and obsess over all his exes and their vaginas? No that's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 09:15 PM
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Vagina can literally create a whole second family. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:52 PM
1

Well redefinition doesn't happen in one fell swoop. It's subtle, I'm just showing some examples of that subtlety.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:50 PM
6

How can your SO's ex bf's dick cuck you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:46 PM
3

They want a genuine physical and emotional connection. They want to be desired. Then maybe they should get off the internet and put in the effort almost all of us had to put in in order to be desired. Whining about how pathetic you are isnt going to change anything and society won't change for you. A genuine connection isn't going to fall on your lap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:44 PM
1

If said clone is 100% the same then she wouldn't give bjs either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:19 PM
5

I feel like they are slightly obsessed with them. It's a dick, get over it what's the problem. I can't even imagine being the same way towards vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:15 PM
2

Is it penis anxiety maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:11 PM
2

A clone of my husband with 0 originality that behaves and thinks the same way he does is a cheap knockoff in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:09 PM
1

Id feel nothing. I have the original while someone else has a cheap knockoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 08:07 PM
5

Go back to the 1950s and socially and economically handicap all women for a handful of men? What do you have to offer womankind that is even remotely worthwhile?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:53 PM
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rational people provide reasoning for their decisions Except that "single mothers are the scum of the earth" is not rational. Let's not pretend that you guys are physicists explaining how gravitational waves are formed, you are men ranting on a type of woman you don't like on the internet. Saying "because they arent my cup of tea" is more rational than going on a thousand word emotionally charged diatribe that showcases glaring insecurities on the author's part rather than actual fault on single…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:32 PM
0

And what would you propose as a solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:20 PM
2

It's more likely that most of them were raised by single moms and are lashing out because daddy didn't stick around. Edit: seems I struck a nerve.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:05 PM
6

Yeah, I don't understand this either. Isn't it easier to just say "because I don't want to" rather than make up a bunch of bogus pseudoscience?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:03 PM
1

I was using hyperbole in order to demonstrate how ridiculous said claim is. There are plenty of things that aren't illegal but are still crappy to do, like not tipping your servers or clipping suvs on the freeways. The problem is that "sexual strategy is amoral" is only used when convenient. RPers question female morality when they read stories of divorced men who have no custody of their kids and have to pay alimony to their ex. If we take morality out of the equation, said situation is a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 06:53 PM
1

Well, that's all anyone needs to know really. You keep doing you!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:14 AM
2

I didn't know roasting someone was misandry. I think you're taking this too seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:13 AM
2

I don't really know what you're going on about. The first part of my comment was there to make fun of the article op quoted. Should I have put an /s after "wet dream"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:05 AM
2

Well redefinition doesn't happen in one fell swoop. It's subtle, I'm just showing some examples of that subtlety.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:01 AM
1

And where do those murderers go?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:14 AM
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And follows closely the morality, actually. And that's because society as a whole is built by moral values. Humans are pretty moral creatures, the idea of good v evil is as old as the first time homo sapiens walked the earth. So you and the rest of your ilk can pretend that you are above the laws that were created to protect everyone but claiming that "sexual strategy is amoral" does not, in fact, shield you of being judged by your peers and your elders and the law itself and essentially being t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:09 AM
0

Ok and when you go to jail for your actions are you still going to claim that sexual strategy is amoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:54 AM
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It's thrilling but no. I was more commenting on the fantasy aspect of the quote. That type of man loves to pat himself on the back over the silliest things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:53 AM
3

Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:44 AM
0

I think you're missing the point. Thats not even the complaint. If you rape someone are you still going to claim "sexual strategy is amoral"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:44 AM
0

It's used as an excuse for predatory and immoral behavior. You can claim anything is amoral but that doesn't actually make it so. For example, I could drown a child and claim the ideas that led to my actions are completely amoral but chances are I'm still going to get that lethal injection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:14 AM
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There’s something thrilling about being sheltered in the arms of a big strong man. If you’re big and strong, you have an automatic advantage over smaller men. You can offer something they can’t. Sounds like a wet dream. Holding an actual weapon in your hands is much more thrilling and effective imo. My question is, can the traditional constructs of femininity and masculinity, only in terms of physical appearance, and personality traits(do not laws or legal equality here) ever be redefined? Sure,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:02 AM
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Being jobless is a disadvantage period.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:06 PM
5

I don't really know how those 2 are equivalent but probably not many on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:55 PM
0

I don't particularly like to play oppression Olympics but I do think women who don't have stereotypically female minds have their own set of issues in the same way their male counterparts do. I think people who branch off from what would be considered the norm have a harder time in all aspects of their life just because they don't fall into the preconceived notions of what their gender is supposed to be like. Society has made progress in this but it still sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:52 PM
2

Darn, my three-some plans foiled again!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:40 PM
0

I was going to write something like this, but you put it more succinctly :) Besides, TRPs dislike of being treated like "all guns are loaded" is directly due to hurt feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 10:39 PM
5

And you unfortunately haven't learned a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:37 PM
5

Pretty much. How many doctors have garbage men as friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:22 PM
5

It sounds like you took 1 class in business and advertising in college and suddenly believe you are an expert in the subject. Unfortunately for you, most advertising appeals to emotion: buy x so you feel like y! You can hamster it all you want but buying a Mercedes because it's a Mercedes instead of buying a Honda is entirely emotional. You don't need a luxury car but you want it because it makes you feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:16 PM
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Nope! Got plenty of ambition and unbridled rage to last me a lifetime. No need to want to fuck everything that moves, that sounds like a giant distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:09 PM
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Agreed. Are there some that would be okay with it? For sure, but toxic masculinity is a cancer on our society and most men would probably feel really embarrassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:55 PM
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Absolutely! Now, would my husband have appreciated it? That's a completely different topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:32 PM
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Her boyfriend buying a luxury car for the sake of buying a luxury and wanting to feel some type of higher status is a completely emotional decision. There is no logic behind it besides "I like the way it makes me feel". And there isn't anything wrong with emotion based decisions, but let's not pretend here that buying a Mercedes over a Toyota is anything more than an impulsive and emotional choice. Also your school choice was based on emotion you worried about the cost fear is an emotion. Nope, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:22 PM
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