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| 32 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting. | Blackpill Discussion | WorldlinessFinal172 | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 08:34 PM |
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| 6 | johnny bravo takes the fempill jflAre you completely stupid or what? There is nothing "threatening, intimidating, or demeaning" about approaching a woman on the street and asking her out or complimenting her. So even by your broader definition, that still wouldn't be considered harassment. No where in that definition does it mention persistent. Get off that chronic, my boy. It's not my fault that you couldn't figure out that I was referring to sexual harassment specifically. It should have been obvious from the context. Here's a… | /r/AllPillDebate | 08/08/23 10:03 AM |
| 8 | johnny bravo takes the fempill jflHarassment is persistently bothering someone no matter how many times they say “no, stop.” Approaching a woman on the street is not harassment. Harassing her would be being pushy or trying to engage her in a conversation after she has stated that she isn't interested. Just because you feel disgusted whenever unattractive men try to talk to you doesn't mean they're harassing you. One thing to clarify is that those harassers do not think the person is beautiful How do you even know that? they thin… | /r/AllPillDebate | 08/08/23 08:54 AM |
| 1 | Incel lingo may sound stupid at first sight, but gets meaningful and very sad, if to really think about itMy point is, you complain about Chads having multiple women as if it’s a problem or “oppression” in your words. That's a good point, but there is there is a solution to the problem of there not being not enough women for everyone: encourage people to have daughters instead of sons. Gender selection technology already exists and could be used to increase the ratio of females to males. When women greatly outnumber men, it will be possible for every single man to have a harem. | /r/AllPillDebate | 27/07/23 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Male Pickiness in ActionIn reality ugly women don't get the casual sex or relationships. They get nothing. That just isn't true. Very ugly women are actually more likely to be married by age 29 than average-looking women. The analysis of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health) shows that very unattractive women were significantly more likely to be married at age 29 than unattractive or average-looking women, and their spouses or partners earned significantly more than those of unattractive or … | /r/AllPillDebate | 26/07/23 04:50 PM |
| 1 | Responding to an r/Inc*lTear comment, correcting some misconceptionsHow many women pay sex workers? Almost none. That's because women don't need to pay for sex. They can get all the sex they want for free. Even older women can easily get sex from young attractive men. Most men would say "yes" if a random woman on the street offered them sex. Sex isn't that important to women. Intimacy is. Sex is almost always intimate. | /r/AllPillDebate | 26/07/23 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Male Pickiness in ActionAttractive men don't want to go on public dates with ugly women. They want instead for them to come over to their place or for them to go over to their place in a sort of 'Netflix and chill' hookup type thing. As long as ugly women consistently reject such offers, they won't ever get pumped and dumped. There are plenty of normal men who want them for more than sex. | /r/AllPillDebate | 25/07/23 03:28 PM |
| 4 | Male Pickiness in ActionUh.. no, very few men have sex with people they aren't attracted to. I'm not sure where this idea seems to be coming from. I can't even keep track of the concept- men are somehow very superficial (something I've also heard on this sub multiple times from women) and somehow also willing to sleep with women that aren't attractive to them (also heard multiple times from women on here). The reason why straight men don't have sex with men is because they're not attracted to them at all. If a man is w… | /r/AllPillDebate | 25/07/23 12:59 PM |
| 1 | Any woman who has dated a drug dealer, gangbanger, or abuser has no right to call passport bros "predatory"Even if they weren't in a poor country, they'd still want to be saved... by a guy with an even bigger wallet. If I won 10 million dollars in the lottery, all of sudden I'd get just as much interest from local women as I'd get in Thailand or the Philippines. Everyone knows that women are attracted to money, but I don't think most people realize how deep that runs: We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males ra… | /r/AllPillDebate | 20/07/23 07:48 AM |
| 5 | Any woman who has dated a drug dealer, gangbanger, or abuser has no right to call passport bros "predatory"A lot of men in poor countries wish they could escape poverty by dating a foreign woman, but they can't because women from wealthier countries dislike them for being poor and ethnic. It's almost always only women who get saved from poverty by people from wealthy countries. It's not exploitation to go abroad to find love. It's more akin to charity because you're taking a woman out of poverty and giving her a much better lifestyle. | /r/AllPillDebate | 20/07/23 06:38 AM |
| 7 | Seduction is the worse/harmful sub out thereWomen have much better odds of success when approaching a guy than the other way around, but they still don't want to do it. Men are not the sexually selective sex and appreciate it a lot when someone finds them attractive. Unlike women, who are spoiled to the core from living life on easy mode. | /r/AllPillDebate | 20/07/23 05:01 AM |
| 5 | Today's weather is annoying and painful for incelCougars are the most chadsexual of all. One of my neighbors is one. She hooked a young Chad on the promise of taking him to a swingers club. Dude is a chads Chad though and she's over 50 but essentially simping, letting him live with her, and offering him any sex he wants. | /r/AllPillDebate | 19/07/23 03:19 PM |
| 1 | Today's weather is annoying and painful for incelI don't agree with men who only want to date young women, but the world would be a better place if older women liked young men just as much as older men like young women. There are plenty of sexless young men who would much rather date a woman in her 40s or 50s than remain alone. | /r/AllPillDebate | 19/07/23 02:02 PM |
| 4 | Today's weather is annoying and painful for incelThat's not what hebephilia is. | /r/AllPillDebate | 19/07/23 01:53 PM |
| 2 | CMV: neurodivergent/guys on the spectrum should seek partners on the spectrumAutistic women have to mask or their life is over at a young age men do not that’s usually why women can do it better than men. The above study calls into question the notion that autistic women are better at masking/camouflaging. On a neurophysiological level, they were found to be more similar to neurotypicals than autistic men were found to be. So even if they didn't mask at all, they would still come across as more normal than autistic men due to being less autistic to begin with. In light o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 12:31 PM |
| 5 | CMV: neurodivergent/guys on the spectrum should seek partners on the spectrumI think autistic women in general are better at masking (appearing neurotypical) than autistic men. The alternative explanation is that it's not so much that autistic women are better at masking, but rather that they're just less autistic on average compared to autistic men. A recent study found that differences in neurophysiological functioning rather than masking skills explain why autistic women tend to have better socio-cognitive abilities than autistic men: However, it remains unclear if au… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 08:59 AM |
| 5 | "Just learn social skills".Social skills are intuitive. Learning social skills is similar to learning to sing or to dance. You can only learn by doing, but if you're naturally bad at it you're fucked, and many people hit their genetic limit after they have learned all the basic stuff and stop progressing. If social skills were mainly learned at school, homeschooled children would have worse social skills than children attending schools, but that's not the case. They actually tend to have better social skills. | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 08:39 PM |
| 2 | How much would you guys agree with the statement that not being neurotypical knocks 1-2 points off you smv? Especially if you are average in looks.Literally everything you just said about women easily getting a boyfriend is disapproved by my pure existence. Im skinny, im young, im asian - white , nobody irl knows my political or any other social view, so where are all hoards of simps who want to get into relationship with me??? Did they got lost somewhere? Have you ever been to a nightclub, college party, or a bar? If your answer is yes, I find it very hard to believe that you've never been approached. I've personally seen fat and ugly wom… | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 01:51 PM |
| 2 | How much would you guys agree with the statement that not being neurotypical knocks 1-2 points off you smv? Especially if you are average in looks.they don't date autistics because they behave autistically, how tf can't you understand that. What men care about more than anything else is whether your face and your body turns them on sexually. Everything else, including autism, matters to some degree, but it matters much less, and is most likely not a deal-breaker. Straight men are hard-wired to want to date young fertile women and they're generally willing to overlook a lot of flaws that they might have. Men also know that the easiest way t… | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 10:52 AM |
| 2 | How much would you guys agree with the statement that not being neurotypical knocks 1-2 points off you smv? Especially if you are average in looks.men don't date autistic women because they are afraid of labeled as predators There are still plenty of men who won't let fear of being stigmatized stop them from falling in love with neurodivergent women. This must be the reason every single human , including men, threats me, an autistic woman, like a walking pile of shit , watches at me in disgust and tries to end the convo as soon as i start it Why would you even torture yourself by approaching men? It's the norm for men to approach women and… | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 09:08 AM |
| 3 | How much would you guys agree with the statement that not being neurotypical knocks 1-2 points off you smv? Especially if you are average in looks.The thing is, if you are neurotypical, you won't be into autistic women at first place. As long as a woman is physically attractive, men will desire her, and it doesn't matter much if she's autistic or not. Never underestimate the importance of looks to men. Men do value the charisma, social skills, and emotional intelligence of neurotypical women, but they don't value these traits anywhere near as much as beauty, kindness, youthfulness, and innocence, which are at least as common in neurodiverg… | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 08:07 AM |
| 3 | Depression memes should be gatekept from taken women, chads and normiesThat bluepill narrative is true considering no one loves self loathing people who only talk negatively. I doubt most people who are self-loathing "only talk negatively". Many incels are self-loathing because they've never experienced anything but rejection in their lives, but they don't typically complain about that in real life. fake it till you make it. Would you date a highly neurotic woman. Yes, I would. It's actually a desirable trait in women because neurotic women tend to appreciate being… | /r/AllPillDebate | 18/07/23 06:47 AM |
| 6 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting.you’ve somehow taken the explanation of what this statement means and misinterpreted it regardless Bullshit. And guess what? nearly everyone is capable of it. Citation needed. there is nothing wrong with rejecting someone for not loving themselves I've never claimed there's anything wrong with having any kind of dating preferences, and you're just proving yourself to be a disingenuous commenter by implying otherwise. id even go as far saying that loving one’s self should be a requirement for any… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 11:05 PM |
| 9 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting.here is thing - you don’t “need” to, theoretically - that being said, it is the healthiest route possible Except that people don't say "loving yourself first is the healthiest route possible to finding love", but rather "you need to love yourself first before you can love someone else/be loved by someone", which is gaslighting. Because, as the article points out, there is no evidence that people who don't love themselves are incapable of loving others or of being loved. It also doesn't matter if… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 10:42 PM |
| 1 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting.here is thing - you don’t “need” to, theoretically - that being said, it is the healthiest route possible Except that people don't say "loving yourself first is the healthiest route possible to finding love", but rather "you need to love yourself first before you can love someone else/be loved by someone", which is gaslighting. Because, as the article points out, there is zero evidence that people who don't love themselves are incapable of loving someone or of being loved. It also doesn't matter… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 10:41 PM |
| 7 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting.It may not be needed to love someone else but it is most likely needed for someone else to love you There is no shortage of men who would date women who are lacking in self-love and full of doubts about themselves, and who don't find such women unlovable in the slightest. That said, it's true that women generally don't want to date men who don't love themselves. And that makes sense because you won’t have a healthy relationship if you don’t love yourself You're assuming that when someone gets in… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 09:55 PM |
| 11 | "You have to love yourself first before you can love someone else" is gaslighting.you need to take care of yourself before you can take care of somebody else There is truth to that, but that's very different from saying that people need to find happiness from within before they can love others, which implies that people who can't find happiness from within are incapable of loving others. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 08:56 PM |
| 1 | How can I stop my obsession with teenage love and sex as a incel?but it’s still a thought in your head when you hear them speak or how they talk that makes you think, “nah, their still a kid” which puts you off them But young adults are not children. They are adults. Women are generally attracted to traits associated with maturity in men, and turned off by traits associated with immaturity, whereas men are generally attracted to traits associated with youth and fertility in women. Most older men would like to date young women; it's just that they're not attra… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 04:32 PM |
| 1 | How can I stop my obsession with teenage love and sex as a incel?The older you get the more you realise how childish and childlike young adults are, you will grow out of it. I don't think there is anything wrong with being attracted to young adults. Research has shown that men of all ages are most strongly attracted to women aged 18-24. It's not something that men ever "grow out" of. Both physical and psychological neoteny are often considered attractive in adult women. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 03:27 PM |
| 3 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityIf he’s well above average in looks he just needs to find a “post wall” neurodivergent woman. The wall doesn't really exist for women. Older women have less options than they had in their youth, but they still have more options than most men have. I honestly can't think of any reason why an older neurodivergent woman would want to date someone like him. If she's looking for a long-term relationship, she's going to care more about a man's social status and financial stability than about his looks… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 02:32 PM |
| 2 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityEven though I can understand it, I think incels like him who refuse to date women their own age are basically volcels and should not identify as incels. Most of us are not like that. I'm sure that when he was in his teens and 20s, women his age were already rejecting him and choosing other men over him. There was likely a long period of time when he was trying to date age-appropriate women, but experiencing nothing but rejection. It's doubtful he would have developed this monomanical obsession w… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 01:25 PM |
| 4 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityNot everything you dislike is the definition of whining. Get over yourself. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 11:37 AM |
| 2 | The reason why I think men like me don't want to be in a romantic relationship with a promiscuous women (no-judgement you do you girl) is not because of sex itself but emotional detachment of sexBut when a woman gets pregnant from sex, fetal cells carrying the DNA of her sex partner do spread throughout her body and proliferate there. One study found male Y chromosome cells in every single tissue sample they took from a woman's body. It's not known what effect male DNA has on women's bodies, but there may well be an effect. Promiscuous women are also collecting microbes from all the men they have sex with, and the vagina is quite vulnerable to infection. Out of the billions of viruses t… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 10:06 AM |
| 1 | The reason why I think men like me don't want to be in a romantic relationship with a promiscuous women (no-judgement you do you girl) is not because of sex itself but emotional detachment of sexthe different semen and juices” absolutely DO NOT stay in the womb for life and women do not carry the residual energy of sexual partners for life If the woman gets pregnant from the sex, fetal cells carrying the DNA of her sex partner can absolutely spread throughout her body. [One study](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/science/a-pregnancy-souvenir-cells-that-are-not-your-own.html) found Y chromosome cells in every single tissue sample they took from a woman's body. Promiscuous women are als… | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 10:04 AM |
| 4 | Never seen a woman express any empathy for male problems in any of these dating discussionsWould you even want to be with someone thats not attracted to you and doesn’t genuinely like you? That's a flawed analogy. Incels are attracted to women and capable of genuinely liking them and appreciating their positive qualities. The opposite isn't true, though. Most of us understand that just because women have an empathy blind spot when it comes to incels, doesn't mean that they aren't capable of being empathic and decent people in other contexts. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 09:12 AM |
| 3 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityI highly doubt he hates his biology match. It's much more likely that women with similar looks, personality and mental traits are the ones who hate him. After all, women are much more sexually selective than men. I've seen pictures of him. He's well-above average in looks and he looks much younger than his age. It's only because of his neurodivergence that women have always rejected him. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 08:06 AM |
| 5 | Women would rather date/marry gay men than lower their standardsIt’s so weird to be upset that women will marry gay men they don’t want to fuck The types of women who want to marry gay men generally have a low or non-existent sex drive. Historically, a lot of asexual women with zero desire for sex married gay men. That way, they got a provider husband without ever being expected to have sex him. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 06:39 AM |
| 6 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityYou need to learn that someone stating a fact you disagree with isn't "whining". Simmer down a bit. | /r/AllPillDebate | 17/07/23 05:34 AM |
| 5 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityThats not true tho? I ve been rejected as a woman If you approach a man you like and ask him out, you might be rejected, obviously, and I never denied that. My point was that approaching is optional for women. Women don't need to approach men; they just need to go to places where men can approach them. When a man approaches you and asks you out, you already know that he likes you. It's impossible to get rejected if you just let men approach you. I could name you at least 3 books written by men i… | /r/AllPillDebate | 16/07/23 07:30 PM |
| 11 | If you are unsuccessful with women, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Being attractive is not a static or predetermined qualityThis also goes for women. That's easy for you to say because as a woman, you're desirable by default and can't really fail at dating. We are being taught that men are supposed to "earn" our attention I doubt anyone taught you that. Women just naturally feel like they're a prize that men have to prove themselves worthy of. so we re not used to taking the initiative. And when we do and we get rejected, our worlds are crumbling. A woman doesn't ever have to take the initiative or approach anyone. A… | /r/AllPillDebate | 16/07/23 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Transgender dating study comes up with completely the wrong conclusions because of feminist ideology.Any advantage trans men may have is negligible. I strongly disagree with this. Having a much easier time finding a romantic partner is not a negligible advantage. The above study found that it's much easier for transmen to attract both lesbians and men than it is for transwomen. I believe in the theories that claim that trans women may be homosexual males that have a fetish of being in a feminine body. That's only true for a minority of them. Most transwomen are attracted to women and want to da… | /r/AllPillDebate | 16/07/23 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Transgender dating study comes up with completely the wrong conclusions because of feminist ideology.The main difference is that most biological men don't mind being sexualized by the opposite sex. Transmen who are attracted to women generally don't mind being sexualized by women either, and probably couldn't care less that some men want them to be "uwu soft boys". The thing I've noticed about transwomen is that when they begin presenting themselves as women, they often do it based on an exaggerated idea of what femininity is. They infantilize themselves, portray themselves as weak, adapt an ov… | /r/AllPillDebate | 16/07/23 07:14 AM |
| 5 | ``Men are single because of their high standards`` is a massive contradiction by BPlooks are subjective to a large extent Looks are both subjective and objective. People strongly agree about the attractiveness of very attractive and very unattractive people of the opposite sex, but they agree much less about people of average attractiveness. If looks were mostly subjective, no one would receive very low or very high mean attractiveness ratings. As this chart shows, straight women—unlike gay men—consider most men to be below average in attractiveness and give extremely low rati… | /r/AllPillDebate | 15/07/23 08:08 AM |
| 2 | Women don't want to be approached by men for sex, but they make an exception for high-value men.I think the point of this post is that hot celebrities are above the rules when it comes to dealing with women. The same thing that would be considered sexual harassment when a normal guy does it, i.e approaching a random woman for sex, would be welcomed when a hot celebrity does it. | /r/AllPillDebate | 13/07/23 08:20 PM |
| 5 | Women don't want to be approached by men for sex, but they make an exception for high-value men.On top of that, if you’re all shaming women with a number of sexual partners, why would she say yes to just any man that approaches her on a whim? There seems to be little evidence that the classic sexual double standard still exists in the modern West. A recent study found that men judge male promiscuity as harshly as female promiscuity, and women judge male promiscuity more harshly than female promiscuity: Unlike the often-reported observation that women’s sexual activity, and promiscuity in p… | /r/AllPillDebate | 13/07/23 10:32 AM |
| 1 | When bluepillers say "You're interpreting those studies wrong" without explaining why it's nothing but straight up gaslightingNow, generally speaking, studies are misinterpreted here in a few predictable ways. First is overinterpretation: the tendency for people to come to conclusions far stronger and more specific than anything the researchers said themselves. None of this is unique to this subreddit. Everyone wants to see their own point of view confirmed in the research, including both bluepillers and blackpillers. In general though, I think most of the people here would love to be proven wrong. We would love to fin… | /r/AllPillDebate | 13/07/23 07:59 AM |
| 3 | Why do bluepillers push therapy so much?It's gaslighting and just a more polite way of saying "all of you guys are delusional and need to get your delusions treated". Bluepillers believe that all incels either just have body dysmorphia, which is the delusional belief one's body is flawed, or have adopted other delusions to justify their irrational fears, anxieties, and unwillingness to talk to women. The reality is that being a lonely and undesirable man is not a mental illness. No amount of therapy/drugs will fix that problem. I’ve l… | /r/AllPillDebate | 11/07/23 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Guys have been lied to so long that even men don't believe other men. Instead something must be wrong with us.I highly doubt most people value their jobs and their degrees more than they value romance and love. People generally work because they have to; not because it makes them happy, whereas people pursue romance because they need it for their happiness. So it's kind of an apples-and-oranges comparison. If you're in a relationship, I'm fairly sure you get far more joy and satisfaction from being with your partner than from working your job or from going to college. So let's not pretend that being dep… | /r/AllPillDebate | 11/07/23 07:58 AM |
| 1 | Guys have been lied to so long that even men don't believe other men. Instead something must be wrong with us.You mean the woman that left to save their kids? A large percentage of Ukrainian women do not have any children. The country literally has one of the lowest birth-rates in the world. All women are allowed to leave Ukraine; not just mothers. Only the men are being forced to remain in in the country. Plenty of child-free Ukrainian feminists are partying it up in Western Europe while their male relatives are being blown to pieces. | /r/AllPillDebate | 11/07/23 07:14 AM |
| 7 | The Study of Modern WomenUsing their looks to their advantage to get the special treatment I've known a lot of women who basically just live off their looks. Case in point: Mexican becky flies off to England to become a nanny, but has no idea she needs a work visa. She gets turned back and ends up at an airport in Germany with no money, yet she manages to stay there for 4 months, and posts updates on social media of the great time she is having with 'some nice German guys' she met. No doubt she is putting out all over t… | /r/AllPillDebate | 09/07/23 08:13 PM |
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