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Can be changed to an extent I think. Something like non-neurotypical or neuroticism isn't necessarily easy to manage. This kind of shit is beyond most the average person's ability to understand, much less diagnose correctly and advise on treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:17 AM
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Logical I guess. I'm not arguing with the perceived risks or cost/value questions, could very much be true. Where my thoughts lie, is more with the effect on the human psyche. This is unprecedented as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:09 AM
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Interesting you mentioned the doco. I watched a bit of it and then tried to figure out whose agenda it might fit into. I still don't know, honestly, but pro-natalists and anti-natalists both jumped all over it for different reasons. The topic is EXTREMELY sensitive and fraught with people with an axe to grind. I don't think we're avoiding this conversation forever. Add it to the pile, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:16 AM
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That's going to take a tremendous amount of patience, honesty, courage, compassion, introspection, and discipline from all of us Ooof. We're cooked chat
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:57 AM
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I think feminism fits into the wider consequences of how liberalism changed society, which is something a lot of people here misread. The idea of human society essentially consisting of free markets (including sex) goes deeper than that, you could even say to the 1600s with political philosophers like Locke. The idea of humans as equal itself is relatively young, maybe a lot more than people think. And we're still in the stream of history. You can read this if you want to know more. https://unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:51 AM
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It's why it's so hard to figure out what's going on. The debate is politicized to the point where you usually end up swimming in misinformation. You'll laugh at this, but I'm trying to pin this down in part from women who shitpost anonymously on reddit and 4chan. Obviously it's laughable as credible source and there are strong self-selection factors. But 1) it's a primary source, and 2) it offers a kind of aggregate. There's other shit as well but basically I'm trying to take a pulse somewhere w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:45 AM
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How are you so badly off base. if people could just leave well enough alone and accept that some women are happy and some women aren't If people are unhappy, don't you think we should acknowledge that and see if we can't do better by them? I'm not jamming anything down your throat homegirl. You CHOSE to be offended because reasons. You also CHOSE to barge confrontationally into someone else's conversation, that I guess pissed you off because reasons. Didn't you reply elsewhere in the thread and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:26 AM
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I appreciate anyone who has the courage to share from their personal experience, without judgment and in a way that unavoidably opens themselves to criticism. I think that's actually quite brave. The polite thing to do, even if you don't agree with everything, is to validate them and show some humanity. Trying to shepherd or harangue someone into marching with your narrative, because you sensed some authenticity that might threaten it, is the exact opposite. So stop bullshitting me please. Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:16 AM
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I know I hit a nerve That's because you're essentially a bully who wants to police the opinions of others, and you're hiding it being some bullshit about the greater good. Blah blah blah. People like you are a dime a dozen, male or female. I've never liked them and I never will. I've got no idea what women are really feeling. But people like you absolutely, completely, 100%, get in the way of quieter voices. And how you're acting here pretty much proves it, because you can't bear see a conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:48 AM
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A wall of completely tired, dogmatic and selfish bullshit. I'm not "talking over her" Yeah, you did. Fuck off with everything else. If you can't acknowledge that, you can't be objective about anything at even the most basic level. Good luck with your crusade though, you'll need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:36 AM
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I'm definitely on board with you on this. I actually saw this shit creep across the so-called manosphere in real-time like the Venom symbiote, you should check out this link from 2008. https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/how-to-spot-a-dj.143697/ It's actually straight up crazy how much things have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:12 AM
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Honestly, I don't see this one. Women generally simmer IRL, not explode. And I don't think they hate men either. Authentic hatred for children is laughable. The online "men are trash" silliness seems like a perfect reflection of the manosphere. I think that's borne of frustration and hurt on both sides, and I wouldn't take either at face value. It doesn't mean the pain underlying that is imaginary though. And it can eventually come out in maladapative ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:05 AM
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Yeah, it's tricky to parse statistical information. It's one reason I want to hear what people feel, it's rarely conclusive but can often point you to things that you'd otherwise miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:58 PM
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Hmm, good response and food for thought. I appreciate it and thanks for replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:56 PM
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Do you think there's some perfect anti-Venn diagram of "single people", "unhappy people", and "30+/40+ women", that doesn't intersect at any point? I understand people have strong opinions on it -- you're one. But the very existence of strong opinions, either to exaggerate it or downplay, means it's hard to track what it means in a qualitative or qualitative sense. What did I say about "louder voices" drowning out people who are more authentic but quiet? People like Oli_L90 obviously exist, she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:53 PM
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Good lord, this has to be one of the worst takes I've seen by someone who should know a lot better. What they need is community. Problem is they don’t know how to be in community The point of the community is to teach you skills like this in the first place. The role of community in human development would be completely redundant if we reduce every major failure in life to a question of personal accountability. That's not a community, it's an economic market. You should read CB MacPherson's writ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:05 PM
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So how does that feed into dating and relationships? I don't have the feeling people are loving our current political, economic, cultural moment. There is a ton of dissatisfaction out there. Maybe we're a bit like coked-out mice hitting the "outrage" button but this is not satisfying at a deeper level. We can at least agree on that right? I don't know where the push against this comes from, but it will. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Here's the thing though. I can see that happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:51 PM
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I have lurked a bit on that. I don't think I'm in much of a place to draw sweeping conclusions, but I have picked up that the specifics of menopause and perimenopause catch a lot of women off-guard. I'd imagine a much greater proportion of men are absolutely clueless. Maybe to a greater extent we're simply all divorced from the realities of the life cycle. I didn't mention this, but another shift happening around 40 is that you see your parents are on their way out. And of course, you're next.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:41 PM
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Well here's the important question. So what? What is the consequence of that? Any conversation about change in our world is just boomer-tier bitching unless you ask how it's going to affect our future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:26 PM
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Thanks for posting here. When we look towards single women I wish we’d do so with nuance The topic is a goddamned battlefield. It seems very difficult to look at things with nuance because so many people have an agenda to push. Anyone who says something that's personal, honest, and sensitive -- but quiet -- is just going to get drowned out in the chatter. I can't exactly throw shitposting memes at people, but there's a shift going on right now that's hard to describe. I don't think you're the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:08 PM
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I'm just trying to learn more about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6s8QlIGanA
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:29 PM
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I don't bother with people I feel I won't have a good exchange with. Sorry man. But that's how things played out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:06 PM
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Do a web search. Men, crisis, etc. I'm not spitting out paragraphs to justify myself when you can literally spend 30 seconds and have enough to chew on for hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:04 PM
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You're welcome to your opinion, we all have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 07:01 PM
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Just because I want to doesn't mean I will Yes!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs35GZEvXPc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:59 PM
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If you're going to be deliberately obtuse, there's not much point in continuing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:57 PM
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There's a graph in link going back to 1900. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/08/for-valentines-day-facts-about-marriage-and-dating-in-the-us As of 2021, a quarter of 40-year-olds in the U.S. had never been married – up from 6% in 1980. While many unmarried 40-year-olds live with a romantic partner, most do not. There's a difference between quantitative and qualitative information, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:55 PM
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It wouldn't shock me that women don't talk about things like this IRL. All the difficult conversations have moved online. It's the only place where we don't murk our social lives for exposing the fact that we care about anything unironically. cost of living, lack of Healthcare and how fucked up our political system is These things are safe topics. I'm sure you know what I'm saying. They're important considerations of course but kids learn not to expose their deeper fears and anxieties in grade s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:44 PM
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Fair enough, I don't have them. It's more just picking up a vibe from things. But maybe I can explain a bit. If you look at US politics, the situation from 2024 --> 2014 --> 2004 is almost unrecognizable. A lot of people were caught flat-footed by this. If you look at the state of male social health, say in university enrollment or labor participation, from 2024 --> 2014 --> 2004, there's probably an equally dramatic change. Right? Now, there's not an easy way to project social health in differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:24 PM
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Maybe this has something to do with going through an economic compression, pandemic, and political instability as well. It's hard to be lonely when you've got a ton of fun things to do, people included. When times get hard and people suck back to doing the bare minimum to survive, your options go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:20 PM
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Might be your demographic or the circles you run in. But I don't think people are usually signaling evidence of this that obviously. Look at something like pet ownership. The number of single men living alone with pets increased by 27.7 percent, from 34.3 to 43.8 percent, while the number of single women living alone with pets increased by 22 percent, from 46.8 to 57.1 percent. It's obviously far-fetched to read too much into this, but I wouldn't say a data point like that is meaningless either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:11 PM
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Are there? Successful is a subjective term.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:48 PM
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It's very hard to pin down concrete information on this because this is a heavily politicized topic. You really think it's a fantasy though? I'd think unhappy people are probably overrepresented online, but I don't think they don't exist either. Look at a lot of the challenges we're dealing with today. Erasure of discontents isn't necessarily gendered, and doesn't only apply to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:47 PM
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This is exactly what I mean, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:19 PM
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I could, yeah. But as I feel this is sealioning on your part, I won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:44 AM
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I think I've seen almost every major publication take on this topic. Anyways. Regarding data, I'm not a statistician. Perhaps discontents are a very vocal minority. But you know what? That's often how you identify future trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:42 AM
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What an interesting paragraph. I don't think what you wrote is immature, I think it's fascinating. I just wish you could follow that thought down the rabbit hole and try and figure out what that "something" is with a lot more lucidity. I don't think you're talking total nonsense. But I can't explain it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:56 AM
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Pretty solid take on your part actually. It doesn't seem hot to me. A lot of the women I know in this group of singles have just resigned themselves while singles-coping, you know like crying in the club kind of vibe lol. Men rot in isolation, which I think is worse. One of my hottest takes... is that women are not as happy as they say they are single. Both these points resonated with me, it's my impression and experience too. If you can forgive me for speculating, I wondered if women subconscio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:45 AM
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they're not back looking for love again but to just fuck and use women Eh. I can't really see that as a good thing. Damaged people make damaged people. Or at least that's what I understood the conventional wisdom was. Theres this growing trend trying to frame being a single childless woman as a great lifestyle, but I don't think its working I'm not really convinced either. I've always seen love more in terms of the prisoner's dilemma. Maybe we're going through a phase of punishing defections. ht…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:34 AM
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Interesting. In economic terms, social mobility is something we've always seen as social progress. What you're talking about is something a lot more similar to a caste system where people have very little control over their own destiny. That's a very different perception of things (though maybe it's not unprecedented).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:32 AM
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Mmmm good point. I even thought I saw that mentioned somewhere, some Economist article or whatever. We're not talking about 90s era DINKs (double income, no kids) which I always saw as a wholesome relationship. It's something that's way more fractured and atomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:28 AM
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It's the boomer on the inside that counts. :) Out of character -- I know, this is all banter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:42 AM
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Boomer 🫵😂 Bonus : Free Song
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:39 AM
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Meme actually. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-is-babby-formed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:35 AM
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Babby's first disillusionment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:22 AM
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The most lonely I ever was in my life was probably when I was somewhere between 13-15 years old. I was definitely in that headspace where you end up some tragic emo nerd in a dadcore song. I love your focus on personal accountability, but I wasn't exactly equipped to navigate the world all that well at that age. Most guys fall between the cracks young, a lot younger than maybe you're used to thinking about. We don't just get shotgunned at you fully grown up to be difficult boyfriends or whine at…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:02 AM
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What about Harry Harlow's monkey experiment. Harlow's experiments were ethically controversial; they included creating inanimate wire and wood surrogate "mothers" for the rhesus infants. Each infant became attached to its particular mother, recognizing its unique face. Harlow then investigated whether the infants had a preference for bare-wire mothers or cloth-covered mothers in different situations: with the wire mother holding a bottle with food, and the cloth mother holding nothing, or with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:42 PM
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I think the effect of pure ideology on dating (like feminism and correlated backlash) is vastly overrated compared to the felt effect of trends like urbanization, the digital era, and so forth. Almost none of this heated debate would be relevant if we were reduced to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle tomorrow. Feminism isn't a driver of our modern world, it is a consequence. And for that reason, it's ultimately misguided to blame women and men as individuals for the world we live in. We're all trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:38 PM
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Most guys of all heights had at least 5 sex partners. Stats like this aren't that helpful in measuring human happiness. I didn't want 5 sex partners when I was young. I wanted 1, but I wanted her to be the right one, and I wanted her to be young. Because I was the same age, and I wanted to grow up together. I've had more than 5 sex partners at this age, but I've never had the relationship I wanted. Is that success? I don't consider it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:11 PM
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It would be nice to think so. I've seen a lot of shit over the years, I don't know if I have a lot of comforting thoughts left about life and the universe. But I do have compassion for people who roll a bad number, and I try not to be jealous of people who roll a lucky one. I don't know if there's a lot of justice or sense in our world. We can just try to do what we can for each other. That sense of wanting the world to be a better and fairer place is exquisitely human of us, and you see this st…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:59 PM
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If you mean that in a non-pejorative sense, absolutely. But you shouldn't just sling out "maladjusted" as a de facto insult or an isolated personal failing, because you'll miss a lot of what else is going on. What I mean is more in the sense of humans adjust to their context and environment. If you want to freedive, it takes time to train your body to go about 4 minutes without breathing, and compensate to depths of 20m or more. If you want to high altitude climb, it takes time to train your bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:54 PM
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Eh man. There's kids who get their legs blown off from leftover landmines from wars that happened before they were born. A lot of animals live the life of "nature red in tooth and claw", baby chicks get picked off in the nest by predators before they even have a chance. Is the world of human relations somehow freed from the laws of chance, fate and random chaos? I don't think so. But that's also a scary thought for most people, to live in an uncaring universe so much bigger than they are. What's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:32 PM
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Of course I'm kidding, silly. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:24 PM
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Think about it this way. We know the link between vaccines and autism is a myth. It's dead in a clinical sense. It's alive in a political sense. So you should probably think of this the same way (though of course, we don't have a real "scientific community" that compares).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:54 PM
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I could, but maybe I'm a bad boy who doesn't play by the rules. Or perhaps I'm just making my point, indirectly. I don't need to be likeable, cooperative or transparent to hold someone's interest. Or perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just a schizo on the internet referencing 19th century literature quotes to be cute. That could be the case too, right u/CarelessAmount2057? The easiest way to hook a woman is say something challenging that she feels obligated to respond to, then dig …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:56 AM
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I don't give away pillow talk for free, darling. Have some respect for me please. You aren't going to learn everything about life on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:27 AM
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People have a hard time getting beyond the 'Just World Fallacy', in dating and love in particular. Life's not fair, people often don't get what they deserve, and we're often not as nice as we think. I think it takes a lot of mental fortitude and courage to accept that though. Because it's not just the world that's disappointing. I'm just as flawed when I look at myself with the pretty rationalizations taken away. Sorry you didn't get more straight but kind talk to support you back when you neede…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:22 AM
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I'd discuss it over drinks with you, politely. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:14 AM
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I imagine they're just whining at you because they're upset and it's how they're trying to regulate their emotions. That's not what I mean though. I'm talking about the cultural zeitgeist around dating. And it's definitely not the way it was in the 00's. The kind of hard-edged, adversarial gender politics you'd usually see only in niche corners of the internet have gone mainstream. You're welcome to disagree with me, of course. I can only tell you what I see from my perspective, and I'm just one…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:11 AM
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That myth is well and truly dead, this is a 00's conversation. I think where the better conversation at these days is like, well, I guess men and women might hate each other a lot of the time. But it's boring. So how do we have any fun with each other? I'm not gonna resolve all these contradictions. I just want to beat the odds with someone I like. I won't live forever. If life is a painting, I want to be proud of some parts of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:56 AM
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Eh sort of. Ever hear this classic quote? A man who pretends to understand women is bad manners. For him to really to understand them is bad morals. Quote is from Henry James, this quote dates to the late 1800s. There's a darker side of women's sexuality that is usually taboo to talk about, and I think women don't even like to acknowledge that to themselves. But this being the case, you can think about that in the bedroom with your lover, whether you say anything or not. It would be bad manners …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:51 AM
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We have learned not to be too honest about our sexual desires because of the treatment we have all experienced regarding sex AW30+ has a heated thread right now about men using "physical intimacy" as a euphemism for sex. What a weird culture we live in where people are just constantly blasting each other for everything while walking on eggshells themselves. No chill on either side. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we just admitted we were far from perfect, and so we have to cut others a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:12 AM
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Then he doesnt actually have normie friends I didn't have any friends when boys and girls usually start learning about each other, normie or otherwise. We're talking somewhere between the ages of 10-15 here, give or take a bit around the edges. No offense but you cannot browbeat kids of that age and expect much good to happen. This was long before this kind of shit was all over the internet, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:28 AM
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But I can bet women have never met these guys. They have only see unlikable and/or socially inept guys Sure. But a lot of that is contextual. When I was traveling around Central America surfing, I met and had fun with quite a few different women. I had two gorgeous women basically fighting over me in Panama. I felt bad letting one down when I went home with another, not a very common scenario for me. Maybe I was simply more attractive at the time, but also, I usually aren't living such an intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:13 AM
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So they have common sense. This isn't common sense. You need some kind of social intuition to understand the unspoken realities of what drives sex and relationships. If you aren't socialized well in your childhood and adolescence, it doesn't always come naturally. This is without talking about things that are close to a death sentence, like low self-esteem and neuroticism. You cannot address that by being extra nice and extra good. It's a completely separate problem to resolve, maybe difficult, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:05 AM
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I want to say something to you here. By picking these examples (Elliot Rodgers, Chris Chan, Yandere Dev), you're focusing on problem guys who draw attention. These guys are not likeable btw. The kind of guys who are likeable and pro-social, but struggle with women, do not draw attention the same way. They're invisible. If it's not looks and not because they have terrible behaviour, it's got to be something else. I'm not going to take a stab at it, but I would say the process of elimination here …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:55 AM
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This is a good point, and valid. The problem is this OP. If you're not sexually attractive -- you're still not likeable, in that sense. And relationships between lovers are usually the deepest, most intimate and most meaningful ones we have. So let me ask you another question -- what makes a girl LOVE you? You can be a decent likeable person, pro-social with good values, and get blown the fuck out in the dating game. There's no shortage of material devoted to addressing toxic or evil behaviour f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:38 AM
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My ex-best friend ended up an alcoholic, cheating on his wife and wrecking his marriage, neglecting his kids, eventually onto harder drugs, ripped off his family. Fuck man. What happened to people. I just surf and keep to myself these days. It's not like I hate women and dating, I miss it. But how do you set yourself apart people like our former friends. It's a dating pool I don't want to be part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:20 AM
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I like your storytelling :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:33 PM
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Where's AtlasBShruggin when you need her
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:11 AM
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Can I ask you something. No bullshit. Isn't the long-term effect of progressive women not having children, that they effectively cede control of the future to conservative women who choose to have babies. What's the long term plan here. Because from what I see, it's not imaginary. https://www.city-journal.org/article/deep-blue-birth-dearth According to a global study by Austrian researchers, progressive people have smaller families than conservative people. In the United States, the difference i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:59 PM
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