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I love when little crybaby bitches get personal. I’m engaged. I’m not single. I still have to share a planet with all the psychopaths in your gender and believe it or not, men are also seriously disadvantaged and hurt by the misinformation and personal agendas of other men. No one is complaining, we’re matching your insane rhetoric by mirroring it with facts and various other contexts and information to show whoever is reading this how flawed and crazy it is. No one gives a shit if you personall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 02:44 PM
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So you’re in the business of making claims that you aren’t prepared to back up factually. Everyone else needs to do your homework for you to prove that you know anything. And we should be so lucky as to engage with you in good faith? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 05:56 PM
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That, they don't do. You're right. Women cheat just as much as men these days. Citations, please. I eXpeCt tO nOt HeAr AnY cOmPlaInts AbOut "MeN." "This just in - when you have shitty options, you may not complain about shitty options! That's right folks! No more talk about stagnating wages or the housing crisis, since you can feed your kids at the dollar store and rent a little shoebox for them to grow up in! Don't bother anyone by desiring better for yourself! Be happy with what you CAN get to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 05:05 PM
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Cite your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 04:58 PM
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Cite your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 04:57 PM
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Because men never constantly bitch and moan about not getting what they want and certainly don't cheat in overwhelmingly higher numbers than women, indicating a lack ability to 'be happy with what's available to them.' /s Why should a woman settle for someone who doesn't make them happy, when being single makes her happier?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:11 AM
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”I CaN TeLl WiTh OnE CoNvErSaTiOn...” Okay. 😂 Well, I can tell from this nuanced and intelligent conversation that you probably don’t have many conversations in general, let alone with men trying to get something from you. If you think you can sniff out abusers and narcissists and would-be family annihilators with a single chat, you should take your superpower to the FBI and do something more useful with it then whinging on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:25 AM
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Ah, of course. Because educated politicians have never been caught cheating with teenage prostitutes, police officers never beat their wives and respectable family-man pastors never, ever groom the kids in the congregation. Bad men always walk around with neon necklaces that tell everyone what their problems are - and it is always a woman’s fault for trusting him. Fucking imbecile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:48 AM
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Interesting that that induces them to marry yet doesn't prevent them from dressing, and fucking in a quantity, that would make common whores of yesteryear blush 🤔 are you suggesting they look at marriage as something akin to purchasing an indulgence lmao Are you suggesting that women are never, ever shamed for the way they dress or who they have sex with or how often? That puritanical social scrutiny still doesn't govern the choices of the average woman? There are vast swaths of the earth where …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 08:27 PM
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Lingering effects from thousands of years of widespread puritanical religious indoctrination and socialization. Though women in many places on earth still have to marry for more practical reasons, too. (I.E - "Father sold me to his friend for ten cows.")
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 07:54 PM
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Interesting. Because stats also suggest that men commit more infidelity, marital rape and abuse then women do on average regardless of his N-count. Guess all women should go their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:29 PM
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Why isn’t it okay? I’d venture to say it’s true as well. The issue is not allowing room for nuance and personal preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:37 PM
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...But do they actually promote that belief? Or do people just hear inconsequential, generalized statements and form their own deep and sweeping beliefs based on that? I think it’s very convenient to convince oneself that all women just want a nice guy and could care less about his looks. For instance, there’s a difference between a woman tactlessly announcing that she think bald guys are unattractive in a group of her friends that may or may not include balding guys (who she probably isn’t goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:51 PM
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Which population? Which statistics are you citing? Men make up 92% of sex crimes and 99% of rapes in the United States.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:23 PM
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A lot of men are sexual predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:16 PM
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I don’t understand how anyone could ever develop the belief that all women don’t find looks important. If things like hair and face and race matter to men, why wouldn’t they matter to women? What makes men think that less attractive women don’t have the same or even more intense struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:09 PM
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Interesting. For my own study, where is the rest of the source? Women are generally pretty happy to argue on behalf of all women that a women should be able to do what she wants. But that isn’t going to keep her friends and family from offering their perspective and looking out for her. If an older man has decent (in the very least, honest) intentions then he shouldn’t feel threatened by that. If it hinders his chances, then the girl’s desire wasn’t all that strong to begin with, and anything mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:57 PM
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Not that I was asking you for your sources, but the person I’m replying to also stated in another comment that men have to grow up faster in our society (a bullshit claim IMO.) How is it that women develop faster and reach peak maturity faster and are expected to contend with older men clawing at them right out of adolescence, and yet in this person’s mind, men magically must grow up faster? What exactly happens to men that forces that to happen? Especially since, as they claim, men stay in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:17 PM
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Sure. Cars are safer than they’ve ever been but we still educate people on all the ways that driving can go terribly wrong. We don’t pretend nothing bad could possibly happen. Sitting back and telling people not to concern themselves with what could happen if they just drive however they want because ‘most people get where they want to just fine’ is ignorant. People will take hopping in a plane far more seriously then they’ll take a woman giving birth. A doctor can mishandle a pregnancy or deny …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:01 AM
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A huge majority of wealthy western women are fine. If you count minor grievances like PTSD and PPD as fine. Can you or can you not knowingly and honestly guarantee any woman that she won't need to wear diapers for the rest of her life if she gives birth? Can you or can you not accept those risks on her behalf? Call it whatever tickles you. If it were the potential for your asshole to rip itself open up to your cock, I suspect you'd take it a little more seriously, whatever the statistics said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:25 AM
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It's their Madonna-Whore complex. They need a woman to give them their LeGaCy but once she becomes a mother, she'll never be the sexy girl they fell in love with again, even if she bounces back 100%. Can't love where there's lust, can't lust where there's love. Gag.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:57 AM
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It's a major (and growing) problem for the wealthiest, most powerful and most populated western country. The second most populated western country is Brazil with a maternal mortality rate of 60 / 100,000 live births. Then Mexico, with 47.3 / 100,000. You're not making your point here. Anyway I suspect the vagueness of these claims [...] is doing a lot of work here. Do you want to get specific? Knock yourself out. You're mighty opinionated for someone who doesn't have to accept the risk of these …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:39 AM
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They're not that rare, obviously. Kids don't wreck a woman's body. But bad diet and lack of exercise can do it in six months. I speak from experience. That's what I'm replying to and what you're defending. Weird how men can accept some personal experience just fine, as long as it doesn't interrupt their bias and personal narrative. Have you given birth? Are you ever, at all, going to have to accept the risks associated with carrying and birthing a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:33 AM
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You said that death from childbirth is < 10 / 100,000 event in a western country. Last I checked, America was still the wealthiest and most populated western country, being 8.5 times Canada's population while still living a very similar lifestyle. But you are correct, birth tends to be more successful here due to the quality of our medical care, though still not as developed as other western countries. One friend passing away doesn't change the fact that most women will experience some kind of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:25 AM
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You might want to check your facts again. It's 17.3 women per 100,000 births. Getting higher every decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:38 AM
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Again - what exactly is your point? What is this data given in support of? The idea that women never, ever have complications or die from birth? It has little to do with poorer health care and more to do with the fact that it's incredibly painful, stressful and dangerous. The rate of crippling complications and maternal morbidity has doubled in America in the last few decades. This is a first world country with (supposedly) leading healthcare, incredible institutions for study, the biggest hospi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:08 AM
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In what world is a high rate of maternal death not a problem? Read the study I just sent. That’s only mothers who die - doesn’t even touch on pre or post birth complications.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 01:24 AM
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What exactly is your point? Niger has extremely high maternal and infant mortality rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:50 AM
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Thank you. I'll defend proper sex-ed and childfree women until the day I die for that exact reason. It's glossed over and ignored entirely too much. They still don't even touch on birth complications in public schools here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:49 AM
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Men exist as professionals in all of these fields without stigma and have for a while. Women also enter high-status fields in increasing numbers every decade. It's not the 'Women are Wonderful' effect so much as it is a matter of prioritization and personal goals. Does a man hold the belief that he needs to be a high-level executive to get with the kind of women he wants? If so, he's more likely to pursue that position to the detriment of his actual enjoyment. There's nothing stopping him from b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:32 AM
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Which fulfilling lower paid jobs are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:12 AM
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Do you think I'm a magic magnet for birthing horror stories? Every mother I know has endured at least one kind of long-term complication from birth. I'm in my mid-twenties and already lost a good friend to childbirth. In an educated first world country with universal healthcare. Quite frankly, unless you're the one birthing or delivering, I'm not interested in your uneducated opinion on what is and isn't typical for squeezing another human out of your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:05 AM
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Lol, what? So childless women are just horny, mindless sex-freaks who can't make rational decisions? Yet somehow, magically, their sex drive isn't as powerful as yours. Some interesting logic you got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:33 PM
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In the city where I live, a two bedroom apartment costs roughly almost the same as the monthly mortgage for a two bedroom house an hour outside the city - if that couple can afford the downpayment and commute. Yet an apartment will give them maybe a third of the space. The child reared in an apartment building has no yard to play or exercise in. They likely can't have any pets. Can't have a lot of friends or family over for birthdays or holidays. They are limited to the toys and games they can p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:25 PM
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If more men and women accept the idea of age gaps then it just gets harder for these particular women to vet men. Hence what's referred to as the "jealousy" factor and the selfish motivation to shame both age gaps and the idea of judging things individually on a case-by-case basis. Except you're forgetting something very key and very important to these women: many of them are perfectly happy single - happier than they ever were married, if statistics are anything to believe. They divorce men in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:16 PM
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That's probably because you didn't grow up in an apartment. People do it, but it's far, far from ideal. And frankly, my parents would have killed each other or one of us. Lack of privacy and personal space is not conducive to a healthy environment for a growing family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:10 PM
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What experience? I've met women who literally can't walk normally after giving birth because of the way their pelvic bones spread. Who need reductive surgeries and breast lifts just to look close to normal, and who wear diapers for years after. Unless you've given birth or delivered a baby, this is just an ignorant take.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:04 PM
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Uh, were you raised in an apartment?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:00 PM
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Older women do want to be with older guys. Older women do not want to be with older guys who have a strong predilection for age gap relationships. Their disgust is not motivated by jealousy or self-interest, it's almost certainly brought about by natural repulsion and personal bias (having once been on the receiving end of false or negative attention from older men.) Older women divorce men in increasing rates every year and report higher levels of happiness in singledom and widowhood than any o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:18 PM
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> It's the MALE BRAIN not the female brain that has slightly delayed development. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:08 PM
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Fallacy. These women do not want to be with those kinds of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:05 PM
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This explains why women so often conflate sexual attention with relationship value and are confused when a man has expressed interest in sexual investment but not interest in emotional investment or commitment. Lmfao, jesus. We’re not confused by that, it’s your basic nature. It’s something we’re first exposed to in puberty that never, ever stops until after menopause and sometimes not even then. A woman will conflate sexual interest with relationship interest because she’s often led to believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:20 AM
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That’s an interesting perspective. I’ve been continually surprised by the girls that my male friends have met online and dated. I’d say around 70% of the time, those girls are definitely out of their league, though that’s obviously not counting the ones they didn’t feel the need to show us. The ones who are married tend to have found even ground. I do agree that having a competent profile and compelling online personality (as an extension of your IRL one) will make a world of difference for a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 04:47 AM
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Actions, not words, prove the opposite. Personality is a joke and always has been. Just because you haven’t got one doesn’t mean it isn’t important. I can’t recall the exact statistic but like 85% of adults get married at least once. So yes, more than just the top 20% of men. Your anecdotal whinging about bland yet attractive men (your opinion) “slaying” women left and right (your opinion) doesn’t mean the whole collective of women everywhere are gaslighting men (which would be to their own disa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:12 PM
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Lol because she does like him for his personality. They’re not mutually exclusive factors and you can (and obviously should) count both. It’s not on women to accept the blame for you being stupid enough to assume women are the only mammals on earth who don’t care about the physical nature of their partner. It’s not for us to spell it out to you either. Talk to any actual woman about any male celebrity she likes and she will more than dispel that assumption of yours that women don’t care about lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 06:01 PM
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Well...Obviously. We call that basic social skills. A married man wouldn’t stroll around telling the world how sexually obsessed he is with all things Jessica Alba when he’s married to a Rebel Wilson and looks like a Danny Devito. It might be true that he has preferences, but if he’s announcing it without tact or consideration for reality, he wouldn’t be long married. The fact that men actually assume anyone would prefer someone short and balding and overweight to someone who is not those things…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:22 PM
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Gotta love the language choices here. When women go for what they want in court, they’re vindictive cunts. When men do, they’re just bullheaded and stubborn. Convenient how you forget there are plenty of “all too common” female anecdotes about their abusers dragging them over the coals of the legal system just to maintain their control, take their children hostage and bleed them dry for daring to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 10:07 PM
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That’s not exactly an incorrect assumption, though. Males present the largest threat of rape and/or sexual assault/harassment to every being on earth. There is a considerable portion of the male species that cannot view women as their empathetic equal and isn’t afraid to make that known. There are even more who feel that way and have learned to hide it. We’re not exactly bunching the fabric of reality to suggest something like that. And yeah. It would make us feel better, actually. How would you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:52 PM
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What exactly is this “certain image” of women that society has collectively crafted in the dark to somehow keep losers in line? I don’t understand your mad ramblings in the slightest - are you suggesting there are men out there who believe women are magically the only mammals on earth not the least bit interested in the physical attractiveness and prowess of her potential mates? No one requires all men (or all women) to participate sexually or socially. What is this ruse you think exists and wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:05 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:35 AM
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Women being expected to mature sooner to meet and handle the interests of older men who don’t understand sexual and social boundaries. Women being expected to tolerate abuse, shaming, deception and manipulation throughout their upbringing until the end of their fertility window because “boys will be boys.” Women being shamed for having standards and not giving men they’re not attracted to a chance. Women being expected to marry young and have children. Women being told they cannot have abortions…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:32 AM
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Imagine having this opinion and stomping your feet when you can’t find a woman to do it for you. Or being shocked when she leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:20 AM
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This subreddit’s primary demographic is heavily skewed towards male, “socially disadvantaged” red pillers. Their opinions tend to be the default position on just about all of these threads irregardless of the reality of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:18 AM
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That’s funny. Don’t men choose to go join the army or do other dangerous jobs? How is that a societal expectation and yet motherhood for women is just a personal choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:14 AM
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Okay, but short of her living on welfare, which won’t support the lifestyle she was likely accustomed to with a provider or provide the environment where she can effectively raise healthy and fulfilled children, society isn’t going to support that endeavour. It’s all good and well to suggest and in theory, everyone is all for this...until it comes time to cough up for the bills for someone else’s children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 03:11 AM
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I don’t know, is she? Can an eighteen year old girl consent to making the mindful decision to order a drink at a bar? To gamble in a casino? You’re either a fully developed adult who can make adult choices for yourself or you’re not, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 05:17 AM
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You won’t get an answer for this. It’s different when it’s their women. They’d never be okay with this arrangement if it was their daughters, their sisters, or stories about their girlfriend’s former lovers. But I bet you my house that a considerable number of them, if not all of them, would turn that discomfort towards shaming and blaming “their” women all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 04:53 AM
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I’ll take it back when guys stop fucking food and uploading to PornHub, and other guys stop beating off to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 01:11 AM
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I can’t even understand how a woman can think that, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 10:31 PM
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Aw. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 10:13 PM
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😂🙌
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 10:12 PM
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As I’ve said multiple times in this thread, that is obviously not the reason why. No self-respecting older woman would be caught dead with a man who leers and lurches over teens and young women like a beast without discipline every time one crosses his path. It’s embarrassing, low-class and beneath her. It’s a threat to the young women she knows and loves. Single women statistically report preferring and enjoying single life to married life. Women initiate most divorces. Older women initiate mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:51 PM
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First of all, read through this thread and count how many men you can find fervently trying to dismiss the advice of older women as “jealousy from ugly hags who wish men still wanted them.” And secondly, I’m familiar with protagonist syndrome. Everyone thinks they’re different and smarter and stronger and can handle everything better until the shit hits the fan. The point is to plant the seed that it isn’t okay and it isn’t their fault, and that someone has been through it too and can help them …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:15 PM
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Then you fail to grasp the point. Obviously that’s what a woman his age would do - she knows when he’s full of shit or when his opinion doesn’t matter. An eighteen year old has listened to authority her entire life. She was mostly likely taught to respect experience given by age by her parents. You don’t just spawn a spine out of midair and tell a person who’s lived your life twice over and claims to love you and have your best interests in mind that they’re wrong. And if you do, do you really t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:37 PM
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Because twenty years ago, they were being groomed by the exact same types of old men with obviously ill-intentions, they know how that worked out, and they’d like to spare those girls the pain. Why else? You think they would actually want to be seen on the arm of a man who can’t help but crank his neck every time a teen walks by? Because...what, that would be a fulfilling and respectful relationship for her? Something she’d be proud to be a part of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:19 PM
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Young guys do know better. They’re also just as dumb and instinctual and flighty as their young female counterparts. The chemical cocktail of hormones is a bitch. Middle aged men and older are not those things. They’re levelled out. They’re experienced in consequences and held to higher standards. Old women are just mad at men not finding them attractive and fabricating reasons left and right. Or maybe old men are just mad that young girls don’t want them and need to justify the manipulative beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:03 PM
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How is it abusive to not be able to care for, relate to and understand the needs your partner and still do whatever you have to to keep them around anyways? Do I actually have to answer that? Look, if he can be patient, honestly loving, and understanding while not lording his age, experience, income, authority and position in life over his significantly more impressionable younger partner, then sure, I absolutely agree that these unions can be fruitful and beneficial for all. If he can love her …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 06:07 PM
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Haha, thank you for making my point. Please go and read those articles - they’re chock full of horror stories from women who have crossed paths with actual human scum explaining why they prefer spinsterhood to marriage. All of them wondering, what happened to decent men and why is what we’re left with only capable of targeting underage women who aren’t aware of the danger they’re in? Those are not the guys those women are pining for. Or you can check the increasing rates of singledom and older-a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 05:29 PM
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Don’t assume a 36 year old has “worldly experience.” Are you assuming he grew in a fucking hole in the ground? Or has he been among people and lived a life for those 36 years? That’s worldly experience. Reading comprehension in this subreddit is egregious. I never said the 18 year old doesn’t know how to play. I said the 36 year old abuser will be better at playing the game than the 18 year old abuser - who is still a problem - because he will be. He won’t make the same mistakes he made as the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 05:17 PM
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That’s weird. As a relatively young woman, all of the older women I know who are single are generally that way by choice and all the happier for it. They’re not looking for the attention they’ve dealt with since they were little girls, they’re glad it’s gone. When they warn other girls about older men, it’s not to save those men for themselves, but to give her the advice she wishes someone had given her at her age. Or they’re actual mothers, looking out for their daughters and their nieces. I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 05:10 PM
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Of course they can. He’d fall in love with a warm donut if it flirted with him. The question is, can the 18 year old ethically, responsibly and wholeheartedly be loved by a man two decades her senior while having all her needs and life experiences met, cared for and understood? Not usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 05:01 PM
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An abuser at 18 doesn’t have the worldly experience of an abuser at 36, that’s the whole point. M36 has already had almost four decades to get in trouble, figure out where the lines are and how to sneak past them, and has cut his teeth on many other people in every area of life. He knows how to play the game in a way his young lover does not. He knows what to say to convince her that this is normal and knows how to lord that inexperience over her head. That’s why it’s dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 04:59 PM
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Ooh, struck a nerve, did I? Where are your sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:57 AM
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Thank you for that thrilling comment which has certainly added to the conversation. I’m not going to pet the men on this subreddit for whatever nonsense they feel compelled to type out. You are responsible for your actions. Marriage isn’t something that just happens to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:56 AM
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True. It’s been my observation that modern men are incapable of maintaining this facade for long. The kind of man who does this thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and in that kind of confidence, overestimates his discretion and ability. Sooner or later he makes a mistake, lets something slip, or cracks under pressure or desire. He’s a living cautionary tale for divorce rape. Not that it stops anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:47 AM
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It’s more for any young men reading these threads. It’s important to have clarity before being skewed by sentiment or loss. A divorce is an easy and very dark rabbit hole to fall into, that some people don’t climb out of. It’s too easy to blame others. Thank you for highlighting the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:18 AM
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Apparently many people do not think through those things or do so inaccurately. This is a personal flaw, not the fault of an institution or a particular woman. The same chronic unhappiness with one’s decisions and an inability to further make better decisions points to a personal imbalance, not a problem with the act as a whole. It’s statistical. Men and women both let themselves go when monogamous. Not always and not to the point that you’re completely neglecting your health. This is a symptom …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:09 AM
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Human delusion and ego are boundless “Oh it won’t happen to me.” Short of a teenage shotgun wedding, there’s no reason not to know yourself and your views on things like monogamy before entering into a commitment as serious as marriage. It’s a binding legal agreement. If you get bored in a LTR, what makes you think you won’t get bored in a marriage? If you’re not sure you can handle the ebb and flow of a relationship, what made you think you’re cut out to sign that license? Some exertions are wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 02:49 AM
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Those men made their choices like adults and can make choices to change the circumstances they don’t like. No one with internet access should be under any illusion about how difficult a marriage is. The definition of cheating is determined by the individual couple. I doubt very much you can find me any woman who’s actually comfortable with her man paying a young girl to sext him and to support her job as an amateur nude model. And I would consider grind dancing beyond disrespectful, yes? Do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 02:29 AM
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1) Monogamy is less forced upon western men than it ever has been before. If you don’t want to get married, don’t. No one cares. 2) How can men be overexerted by doing literally nothing? Get a hobby. Christ. 3) None of this holds true. Most infidelity is committed by men, most prostitutes are visited by men (many of whom are married,) most sexual tourism is perpetuated and funded by men. Men are the primary audience for sites like OnlyFans. Hop on any sugaring forum and talk to the women there -…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:49 AM
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When you talk who is the more beautiful it ideally imo it should be intrinsic pure naked looks [...] Some here won’t see it that way and effort and external aspects (fashion, more expense & time) are relevant. That’s not really what we’re discussing though. We’re taking people as they are on the whole, as they present themselves on the sexual playing field. A woman’s beauty routines says a lot about her as a person, about her lifestyle, her income, her skills and her values. All of these things …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:21 AM
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The average woman is only more attractive (from the looks) than the average man because she uses makeup to enhance her features. Your average woman wears mascara, a bit of eyeliner, a bit of blush and moisturizer - if that. Most women aren’t leaving the house in the same full-face, full-contour look they post on social media. It’s not like she’s restructuring her features or taping her chins or wearing prosthetics. They’re minor enhancements, part of a full ensemble of dressing well, accessorizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:30 PM
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I’m bisexual. I’ve been in same sex long term relationships. This is the greatest and most instantaneous example of projection induced by toxic masculinity that I’ve ever seen. You might want to examine your own feelings about homosexuality and why someone asking you if you’ve ever been with a man makes you so uncomfortable. Just say you have no idea what it’s actually like to be with a man, invalidate your prior point, and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:00 PM
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That’s all you, lol. Read backwards. I mentioned nothing about sexuality - I asked you how you know men don’t do this as well. Have you or have you not also had relationships with men to compare that experience with women with? I don’t care who jostles your junk. I care about the validity of your statement. Why are you so oddly threatened by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 10:09 PM
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I invite you to reread what I wrote. The point is not that the only thing a man has to do to secure a lover is take a shower. The point is that your average man is less attractive than your average woman because he doesn’t put in as much work. A man who puts in effort will be more successful than a man who does not. This isn’t about a pussy-on-demand cheat code, it’s about the bare minimum you need to do to be seen as a viable partner to the women you want. That doesn’t guarantee success. It gua…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:17 PM
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Questioning the basis for your statements. Going to assume the answer is no and you have no actual context except your own bias and disdain for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 07:53 PM
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🤷‍♀️ You said it, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:53 PM
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Is this based on your personal experience in your intimate relationships with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:10 PM
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It has nothing to do with my preferences. Read what I wrote. Go verify for yourself on the rateme and truerateme subreddits. The woman considered a 6 by her peers is almost ALWAYS better groomed than the man rated as a 6 by his peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:00 PM
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We’re not discussing individual preferences, this thread is about average trends and characteristics amongst the general population. Why does the obvious always have to be explicitly spelled out?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:50 PM
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Not even remotely. There would be no women on Tinder if that were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:40 PM
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It’s important to clarify the definition of success. More dates is not the goal, if the dates go nowhere and produce nothing. The average woman being hounded for hookups is no more successful than the average man sitting at home by himself. It’s not hard for men to be considered more desirable than the average woman, since there are so many incredibly poor options available to her. An average 6 man, next to an average 6 woman who takes care of herself and puts in genuine effort, puts in less wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:37 PM
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We’re talking about the fact that the average man can’t compete with the average women in terms of attraction. The average man does not put in the same effort as the average woman - if he did, he would have more success. To say otherwise is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:29 PM
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Which only makes my point further, so thank you. Go to truerateme and explain to me why significantly more attractive women are rated the same 6 as an uglier man who put in zero effort. Women are supposedly valued more, and yet judged more harshly and held to higher standards - which men could meet or even exceed by putting in the same effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:26 PM
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Quantity does not equal quality. Compare the 7 who puts in real effort on his appearance and personality to the 7 who keyboard warriors here all day and lives in stained sweatpants, and then get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:22 PM
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Go to the RateMe subreddits, and look at the men and women both decided to be 6’s or 7’s. The women are always infinitely more attractive by basic virtue of self care, fashion sense, good hygiene, etc. They have flaws, like the men, but make up for it in other areas. Attractive men are always in demand. You either are one or you aren’t. But there’s an incredible amount of leverage to be gained by being in shape, having self care routines, figuring your hair out, eating healthy and developing a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:16 PM
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Agreed. Go and keep going, far far away.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:26 PM
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Lol, what? Dinner doesn’t pick me. I pick dinner. Lack of options doesn’t mean you substitute toxic trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 07:32 AM
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Having an entire dumpster bin to dive through - or skipping dinner. Not everyone agrees
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:23 AM
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Americans only exist thanks to mass immigration. You’re no more entitled to the land your asses grow fatally fat on than anyone else who meets the qualities and standards to come. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that people should earn their place and immigrate here brutally, the real American way. P.S - Boohoo, die mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 12:58 AM
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True. Angry incels only commit mass murders and drive vans up city sidewalks because no one wants their pp. Damn women with their voting and their jobs, ruining civilization by making those men do those terrible things. How dare they?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:30 PM
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That’s a you problem. Not really, I rather enjoy it. Prove yourself right. Again, I don’t have to. I both approach women and am approached by men. I know how this works and I know why it doesn’t. There’s a very obvious reason the video experiment you linked to failed and if you don’t see why, my jumping through hoops for you like a circus clown isn’t likely to enlighten you. If you want advice, ask for it with specifics, but I’m not going to teach you to be likeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 06:35 PM
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Go date one then, lol, we won’t miss you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 03:18 PM
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Unless of course you are scared it will shatter your existing worldview. Lmao, nothing about your meagre existence could possibly accomplish this. I don’t care if it doesn’t interest you. Obviously. You’re ignoring everything I’m writing. I’m not sorry I don’t know what it’s like to be completely basic with a penis, but I couldn’t recreate that experiment if I tried. To sit on an average man’s account rapid-firing “hey, how are you” at every woman the algorithm throws at me like she did is a mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 03:17 PM
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First of all, what is your definition of success? What are your goals? Because you’re getting responses, and I assume dates, which is already more than what the most vocal men on Reddit seem to gripe about. You will play this game differently if you want a relationship than if you want a one night stand or short term fling (where lewd will work just fine.) If you want my honest to god opinion, these do come off pretty low effort. They’re far from the worst messages I’ve seen, but they’re hum-dru…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:24 AM
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I’m a bisexual woman. I know plenty well how difficult and uncomfortable it can be to approach a woman or carry a conversation when she isn’t interested, with the particular added fun of sifting through the straight and bi-curious women. So no - don’t give me that BS. At no point did I say that women are exempt from this. I’ve met plenty of socially braindead girls that made me think it’d be easier to pull my teeth than carry on a conversation with. Doesn’t mean that I need to be the boring part…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 03:06 AM
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You guess correct. I don’t. Harassment is not a privilege, and women aren’t complaining they receive too many messages. They complain about the ratio of low-quality, low-effort or downright threatening/creepy messages to decent ones that look like they were written by an actual human being. You want to be creeped on, try the reverse of this experiment. Make a woman’s account and see what that yields.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 02:54 AM
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We’re not talking about women carrying conversations. We’re talking about why men get ghosted. How many conversations with men have you had on Tinder? I’m bisexual. I know how hard it is to talk to a woman you’re interested in - especially if she’s not interested. That’s what a polite one sentence response means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:00 AM
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Don’t give me that BS. The statement was SOME guys. Implying that I’ve had SOME really thrilling and interesting conversations where effort was given on both sides. Obviously more than a handful of men are capable of it, so it must be a skill one can learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 12:58 AM
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I don’t care. I’m not putting effort into every “hey wassup/nm hbu/ok cool haha” that I get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 12:55 AM
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Yeah, but also, some guys are also just really bad at starting or carrying a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 12:09 AM
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Obviously. I don’t have sexual encounters I’m not excited to put every maximum effort into because I enjoy good sex, and I’m not a sociopath. You want a fleshlight, go buy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:58 AM
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Not really. Being someone who even considers that sort of selfish behaviour acceptable is someone who is, by definition, a bad lover. They are bad at sex. It’s not a solo activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:52 AM
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How is it not relevant? The topic is literally “sex is equally mutually beneficial for both men and women” and a woman has given you a list of ways that’s not true. And you’ve decided it’s not relevant to your experience as a man and to this fictitious, fairy-tale relationship you’ve built up in your head about how things ‘should’ be as opposed to how they actually are. Absurd. It’s not comparable, that’s the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:46 AM
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Not caring and not putting in the effort to make it worthwhile and enjoyable for your partner is pretty much the definition of “bad at sex.” That is exactly what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:42 AM
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Well, hence my comment about being obtuse. Because many other things were mentioned in the original comment you replied to, and your response begins with “all of those things...” I agree. It shouldn’t be. But to say that average sex is equally rewarding to men and women is disingenuous when there are more factors for the female party to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:26 AM
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We’re not discussing whether an experience is exclusive to one gender or not, we’re discussing if they’re equally experienced by both genders or not. They’re not, so they are part of this discussion. That’s cute. The epidemic of single mothers in America would disagree with that sentiment, but that’s a real nice thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:12 AM
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Don’t be obtuse. Risk is always relevant. Pregnancy is hardly a simple condition, abortion is hardly a simple procedure. There is no such thing as contraception that works 100% of the time. If orgasm is the intended reward of two people engaging in sex, women already have a significantly harder time achieving it with their male partners. You can have a loving partner who still struggles or fails to satisfy you. You can have a partner who resents you for not matching their drive. You can select n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 02:42 AM
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If you were capable of getting fucked this wouldn’t be a problem. And obviously. It’s interesting how anything that even mildly benefits you at the ‘expense’ of not satisfying every retarded basic instinct you have is the worst thing that happens to you. Muh oppresshun much?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:12 PM
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That’s a dumb fucking argument against the betterment of the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:28 AM
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Agreed, but applying the data we have theoretically to the rest of a population is why we do sample sizes in the first place. To see general trends in a very general set of factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:07 PM
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Except it’s currently acceptable for men to cheat more than women. At no point in history anywhere in the world has it been more acceptable for women to cheat. It still isn’t, even if women in a certain demographic do cheat more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:01 PM
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So then why does the percentage of women who cheat get higher with age right up until the end of the fertility window? Less women cheat in the younger age rage than at the older age range, implying it’s less acceptable to women in the younger demographic. Male infidelity has been a celebrated, accepted and expected part of life for almost all of humanity - as shown in the higher percentages of males who cheat. Why shouldn’t it be as acceptable for women to cheat as it has been for men now that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:48 PM
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Meaning what? What would be the differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:39 PM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:03 PM
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Whilst keenly ignoring literally every other age demographic...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:02 PM
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A more recent study disagrees with this opinion piece: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america But by all means, I would strongly encourage men who buy into this sort of thing not to marry. It’s better for everyone overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 05:15 AM
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It helps. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 06:44 PM
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I understand what you’re saying. I’m telling you, as a woman to a man, that no one requires you to believe it. It doesn’t change the facts. No one consulted with you for a reason. Physical attraction is not the only thing that factors into the concept of sexually attractive for a woman and a sexual attraction to men who have resources specifically is VERY much a thing. It’s by no means the only factor but as I said, there are several and resources is one of the most important ones. You’re a naiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 06:12 PM
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We have decided. For women, there are layers; multiple different aspects of attraction that might make a man appealing to a woman. Deciding that “resources” isn’t a valid one, just because you don’t agree with it, is next to worthless. It doesn’t matter if you find resources in a woman sexually appealing. It doesn’t matter if you think the only kind of attraction that matters is distinctly physical sexual attraction. Women have decided and will continue to decide differently. Men are free to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 05:39 PM
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Men do not decide what women find attractive, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 05:11 PM
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There are entire subreddits, forums and websites devoted to teaching weak men how to manipulate and lead women on to get what they want from them. If the carrot cake is laced with cyanide, it doesn’t matter how the fuck it’s advertised, it’s still toxic inedible shit. No one purposely chooses to invite poison into their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 04:49 AM
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Duh. That’s just how numbers and human behaviour work together. Men commit more crimes and the most violent crimes, represent the largest number of bail jumpers and repeat offenders. They will obviously face more justice then the lesser number of women commuting the same crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 10:59 PM
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I didn't say that either. I'm saying the discrepancy between male and female offenders (upwards of an 80% difference for some crimes) wouldn't be completely equal even in a perfect world with blind arrests. That's fair, but I posted arrest statistics. Men are arrested more because they are responsible for committing more crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 06:34 PM
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Of course not. Humans are not simple creatures. Women are more indirectly aggressive than men, whereas men are more directly aggressive. It's the statistics of recorded arrests in America. It's the only example that matters. If you can prove that women are arrested (not sentenced or incarcerated - arrested) less frequently than men on the basis of gender preference, then that would mean something, but it's just as easy to say without evidence that women simply don't commit as many crimes as men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 05:21 PM
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A prostitute costs next to nothing at the brothels where I live, and service primarily low-earning men. High-end escorts are sought after by wealthier men. Anyone can have an affair with a friend or coworker. Most deadbeat fathers are lower-income earners who will still go on to have other romantic relationships or children with more than one woman. I've personally seen a number of my friend's fathers marry girls around their age when they get divorced later in life - average, mildly unattractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 04:48 PM
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Lol. Since most serious long term relationships ends up becoming marriages, I’d say it’s a very good indicator of the general trend amongst heterosexual couples. And no one in their right unbiased mind would count women who dump men they find boring - that’s not even remotely cheating. I don’t care if she promised you forever, no one owes you a relationship they want out of. You’re allowed to be upset, I get that you’ve been hurt and want to see it your way. But we’re discussing literally one ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 01:04 AM
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I agree with this very much actually. I've seen this happen pretty equally on both sides, where someone stagnates and the other person (rightfully so) becomes increasingly dissatisfied with the lack of growth. We're supposed to be continually growing, evolving, striving for better as individuals and as a species. A woman who stops taking care of herself and regresses to a state of low self-esteem, who no longer desires sex but refuses to account for her partner's needs, or a man who stops caring…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 12:13 AM
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Women cheat just as much, maybe more, than men. Well, this is just not true. The irony of your last statement is lost on you. I'd encourage you to further study actual divorce statistics, or to take a look at polygynous cultures, for some of the perspective your extensive travels haven't provided you. Or hell, spend half an hour in the relationship subreddits, if you truly believe you can't spot the elusive creature who might want to have his cake and eat it too. The media is still run by men, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:55 PM
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Why is that strange? Have you really never heard of a man who has a mistress? Or who visits prostitutes, has affairs with coworkers, leaves his wife of thirty years for a girl little older than a teenager? Who takes his wedding ring off on work trips or skips out on child support to fund a new girlfriend's lifestyle? You're honestly telling me that you've never heard of a man doing these things? Maybe I'm not the one lacking experience. I think I specifically said not all men. I don't even think…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 10:57 PM
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Sure thing. On causes for divorce: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/ Statistics surrounding domestic violence: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS Arrest statistics in America: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/42tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_42_arrests_by_sex_2012.xls Infidelity: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 10:21 PM
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You also have to consider the leading causes for divorce before arriving at that conclusion. Infidelity, lack of commitment, arguments, domestic violence and substance abuse tend to be male-originated problems, according to both family studies and arrest statistics. It's not that most women think they can do better; it's that being single is better than being with a man who hits them, cheats on them or wants a fundamentally different lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:51 PM
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As a woman, I've found the opposite to be true. At least in terms of who's actually willing to act on it. I think a lot of young men in comfortable long-term relationships at some point often get it in their mind that the grass is greener on the other side. The intrigue and desire to conquer his girl dissipates the more time he spends with her, the more he gets to know her. Her quirks become flaws, her flaws become grating annoyances. More-so when he lives with her, has to contribute to joint ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:40 PM
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Yeah, because no man has ever become irrational or volatile in the face of criticism over his manhood. It’s a wonder women have never thought to mention it to their faces, like, ever. Not once in all of human history. A true mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:05 AM
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