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I'm not saying existing games should change, how would that even be possible? Just new games should take into account changing audience. I have no idea what you want to me say, is there any preference considering destroying a work? If I want games to be competitively balanced do you also consider that destroying that game? Why is this only used when people push for more skimpy men or more practically designed women? Surely you're not trying to tell me that Nier Automata would have sold more copi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:25 PM
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Definitely agree, 9S was the most forgettable design of the Androids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:02 PM
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Because for the longest time the vast majority of character design was catering to men. As women play more games, obviously they deserve to be catered to as well. Well not only that, but it'd be dumb for devs to alienate customers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:01 PM
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I mean I'd prefer everyone in game having options for serious/skimpy wear. But mainly also for treating female characters as not just eye candy. I don't see how that's wanting to destroy games by expressing a preference. If developers don't want to, then they probably lose customers as women likely won't show interest out of first impressions, which is why you do see recent titles be better about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:56 PM
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Same, yea! But like Automata main characters are like fetish bait maid and then pre pubescent boy. Or when heavy armor for men is actual armor while lingerie for women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:46 PM
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Because those only exist with the push for inclusivity? Things have been getting better but only because the customers make their views known lol. Hence why need to keep calling out to stop making one sided gooner bait for men. Imagine if most games art were like Love and Deepspace, men certainly also would be complaining or just tuning out and not gaming. For the longest time that's how it was for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:24 PM
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I do but want more choices, hence the push for more inclusivity. Expedition 33 has similar themes but is great on that end too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:06 PM
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And many games are like that it's annoying but when people want a more balance, they get accused of misandry or wanting to destroy games
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 PM
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I mean Automata is a great game and story but clear one sidedly for male gooners
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:49 PM
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We can argue why the is or isn't the case, but the argument is not based on benevolent sexism. You may say it's based on taking statistics at face value and ignoring biases in the legal system but that's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:41 PM
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I do agree with this actually. But for crimes and violence, that arguments usually based on arrest/prison data. But absolutely for things like women cannot be manipulative or it's not as bad as when a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:10 AM
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When the influencers who push it clearly don't even live like that, you know it's mainly grift.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:26 PM
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If you're talking about factories that was during the industrial revolution where women were discriminated against by being paid a fraction of the wage for the same work. In those cases, yes many preferred to stay home but that's a silly way to argue this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:22 PM
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Why shouldn't women get paid for their work??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:19 PM
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Nobody forces you to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:14 PM
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Most women want to stay for infants but do want to eventually return
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:11 PM
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The trad life pick me influencers are the equivalent of the cringe manosphere alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:34 PM
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Uhhh, unfortunately there are men, not all of them but a growing % who unironically call themselves Alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:33 PM
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It's one thing if it was just a meme, quite another when it's used as some kind of pop science way of actually analyzing human relationships. And the term was co-opted from the discredited wolf study. Has nothing to do with wolves or people and I assure you many people have no clue what you are talking about with "Alpha and beta men" especially unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:28 PM
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I was surprised seeing their tag...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:43 PM
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Yep, they want someone who is scared of all other men except them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:23 AM
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I have never heard anyone arguing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:15 PM
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That's because the majority of the world doesn't primarily speak English, and the majority of rights fighting isn't done online. Libfems are more prominent to white, rich cultures because they can afford to waste time online and speak English. Rad fems make up the rest of the world that doesn't have English as a first language, and are actually physically acting. I'm familiar with the second most spoken language in the world and certainly people consider themselves feminists in that country do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 05:23 PM
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You don't get to control someone else's body, so no, men shouldn't have a say in whether their partner aborts or not. Until we get to the point perhaps of cheap artificial wombs where the survival of the fetus is not contingent on the use of the mother's body. Equality for men would just be opting out of financial obligations for an unwanted/unplanned child.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:55 PM
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I wouldn't want to be considered a MRA since that movement is filled with misogynists. But I do donate/volunteer in things that disproportionally help men. For financial abortions, it's a moot point, nobody would allow for financial abortions without a right to physical abortions except in bad faith to take advantage of women (which is the de facto way dead beat dads operate). The reverse isn't true since abortion also has concerns of bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:53 PM
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The difference is the focus. Feminism helps men because any support will generally help society as a whole down the run. But feminism has no reason to focus on men. Fair enough, I think we agree there. Radical feminism is the dominant feminism across the world. Liberal feminism is only really popular in the white, rich, western cultures (since the whole point of it is to be a defanged version of feminism: it's not as direct because the people there don't feel that feminism is as important). Glob…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:38 PM
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Then you'd have to ask yourself why are women the primary caretakers? It sounds to me when making the custody decisions, the parent who spends more time with their child ought to be advantaged there since likely is in the child's interests. I don't see how this is bias since that's a legitimate difference when determining who should get custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:04 PM
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I have never seen anyone claim this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:02 PM
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Do you never support causes that don't directly benefit you? Shouldn't pursuing equality be a good thing in and of itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:00 PM
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Feminism focuses on issues that disproportionally affect women, in contrast to humanism. There have been plenty of feminists historically who have advocated for gender issues that intersect with men's interests. For example, believing that sexuality needs to have reproduction as a goal is oppressive towards women as well as gay men therefore many feminists also advocate for LGBT rights. What you are describing is radical feminism which sees everything from a lens of patriarchal oppression... and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:55 PM
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Both partners are equally financially obligated for their child, what are you talking about? That impact is the same. When fathers get custody, moms end up having to pay child support. Only women bear the biological cost of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:29 PM
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No they don't (well, the ones who have actually bothered to read feminist theory haven't, anyway). The mainstream view of feminism includes equality in a non-gender exclusionary basis, I don't think radfems get to define what feminism is about. It's more prioritizing issues that disproportionally affect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:24 PM
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It's not hypocritical since the costs to each partner are not the same. Men should be able to get financial abortions in the same window that women can get abortions (with a period to give notification in case the partner would then want to abort).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:05 PM
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The reason why support for the Trans community is collapsing is precisely because their activism contravenes women's desire for female exclusive spaces or parents ability to prevent permanent decisions being made by their children. Women are more accepting of trans people than men, blaming this on women is ignoring reality... TERFs are a minority viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:01 PM
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Feminists often do care for changes that benefit men. For example, you have plenty supporting financial abortions or having women signed up for selective service. You got plenty of feminists writers advocating for disadvantaged men in prison or boys in juvenile institutions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:59 PM
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What gender roles do you think feminists enforce on men? Obviously it would be extremely hypocritical if you had a feminist insisting men pay for everything but I never see this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:56 PM
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How do you think our system with rights to property is enforced? How much do you think dettering the country from potential invaders is worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:35 PM
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Women are more likely to be poor than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:24 PM
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That's an insult to seals!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:19 PM
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Uhhh how? There's nobody here saying men should be taxed at a higher rate because women can get pregnant. There are benefits for being a parent but men also benefit from that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:56 PM
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You ignore those things because nobody would agree it's egalitarian for rich people to get MORE help from the government (well idk maybe you are fine with that). As for living longer... I never ask for equity for women needing to deal with auto immune disease or getting pregnant, this is a ridiculous point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:41 PM
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There should be consistency here, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:29 PM
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Is there any evidence that men get less in government services when accounting for discrepancies in income and lifespan? Even when examining the median, women earn less than men (you could argue this is for many reasons) but for the purposes of paying taxes... it's expected for people who earn more to pay more taxes. If I earn 3x as much as you do, I should expect to pay at least 3x as much in taxes but certainly I should not expect to receive 3x in government assistance. We should be helping po…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:12 PM
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Men as a collective earn more. Certainly wouldn't be fair if the wealthier people received more government services right (haha)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:04 PM
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If they could envision themselves in someone else's position, they wouldn't be writing nonsense like this in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:02 PM
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I'd agree but that source is from lawyers who obviously want more people to fight for custody. For sake of argument, it could be most fathers don't fight for custody when they aren't sure they could win (similar to how high federal conviction rates are from choosing sure cases). Still, some states now have 50/50 custody as a default either explicitly or as a trend in their rulings so things definitely are moving towards equality in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:00 PM
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Living a functioning society takes resources, and taxes are a cost for that, one that the majority of men and women are fine with. But nobody is compelling you to work in the first place. You don't need to pay taxes if you earn below a certain range after all (and in fact you'll be eligible for assistance!)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:45 PM
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How is paying taxes a violation of bodily autonomy??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:48 PM
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Ever heard of gay for pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:47 PM
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And there are those who won't want their taxes going to repairing roads (for example, people who work from home and don't need to drive much). If we let everyone earmark taxes, essential services just won't function. We all pay for things that don't directly benefit us individually but does in aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:47 PM
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It's the daily "If I have to pay taxes, then women don't deserve rights" (but they better pay taxes too!). Idk how one can be so entitled. You don't have to labor "for society", nothing stops you from living in poverty and one of the features of our capitalist society is that EVERYONE is replaceable... so no need to think the rest of us would be missing much from your labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:45 PM
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Do you say the same thing to guys who get taken advantage of or abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:41 PM
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You spend a lot more time around people you already know than strangers. The opportunity is not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:33 PM
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I have never heard of anyone saying this before now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:32 PM
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If they had a functioning government funded by taxes like successful countries do, they would be able to suppress the gangs and local warlords through a police force/military. I mean most nations are not failed states since those don't tend to stick around long. Clearly only relying on the free market of individuals has not worked. Because somebody or some group will seize power in a power vacuum like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 06:32 PM
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The most basic one is that a free market self regulates, regulation requires resources so a free market model is the most efficient. Failed states like Haiti and Somalia have the freest of markets with no central oversight at all. That's clearly not efficient because lo and behold, some regulation is necessary to have a functioning society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:50 PM
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Ofc he can... but those two aren't correlated and the ideal partner is both.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:25 PM
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Yea, if anything trad women have higher expectations for their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 07:38 PM
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This is like some terminally online nonsense. Society if anything is still closer to being male dominated rather than gynocentric.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 07:29 PM
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These two are the same thing. You can have the hot guy who's also kind and well functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 07:15 PM
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People tend to advocate things that benefit them personally. But there are clear arguments against having forced relationships that don't apply to having a government pay for social services. Besides the most libertarian of nut jobs, nobody wants to live in a failed state like Haiti.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:17 PM
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"If I have to pay taxes, that means women should have no rights" (and they better also pay taxes too!).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:06 PM
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I mean some level of government spend is necessary unless you want to live in a failed state like Haiti where local warlords and gang members end up forming a de facto government anyways... that is even less representative of the people. A democratic process is the best way of determining the rights and obligations of citizens. Sure I'd have issues being forced into a ton of things democratically as well but it's not democracy that's flawed, it's the shitty policy. Personally I think the wealthi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:03 PM
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They want to remove free market where it benefits men and to keep it where it benefit women. You do realize that nobody should want entirely free market anarchy? That looks something like Haiti or a failed state where there's nothing enforcing property rights or rule of law. Therefore you need some kind of government oversight and taxation to pay for the services that everyone benefits from. It's not hypocritical to want free market and social services at the same time. The most equitable way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 05:01 PM
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Ah I see what you mean. Though those numbers don't add up to "Contact sexual violence". In practice though, state laws criminalize the two equally. The CDC and FBI definitions do need to be updated though but fairly low priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:15 PM
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And they made their arguments against that since they have little trust in their justice system. We're talking about a country that often has to resort to vigilante justice to stop male rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 04:08 PM
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In practice many state laws would criminalize female perpetrators. I'm not sure what you are arguing for since I'd agree the FBI should have a better definition. But the fact of the matter is, this is an improvement from what it was, and the change was driven by feminists. The backlash against going further was from conservatives/reactionaries, not feminists, you are barking up the wrong tree here. The relative position of women in India is not an excuse to deny male rape victims justice or excu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:57 PM
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Yes, but no. The new FBI definition of rape does not include female on male rape because it defines rape specifically as the act of penetration. Uhhh women can certainly penetrate too (objects and fingers) so this is just wrong. The point is, this is a better definition than what it was previously and pushed by feminists. Meanwhile, in India (Israel too), feminists are the ones leading the effort to block keep rape law gendered https://feministlawarchives.pldindia.org/wp-content/uploads/press-re…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:42 PM
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How is it watering down violence? Coerced sexual contact should all be considered as equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:35 PM
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Tbf I do think it's a better definition to include that. SA doesn't require penetrating. It used to be that the FBI defined SA with a woman as the victim which clearly was flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:20 PM
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A man is quite literally more likely to be raped by a woman than by a man(if you count made to penetrate which the law doesn't consider rape) The source doesn't even necessarily say that. There is about equal rates of rape vs made to penetrate for men (haven't done the math but it's not obvious from looking at the numbers). But men are the most likely perpetrators of rape while women are for the latter. So if anything it's about even. Since the majority of men are not looking for other men for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:15 PM
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Baldur's Gate 3, Mass Effect, God of War are all popular AAA titles/series with women. Not as many as men perhaps but still a significant %. What is the basis for saying marketing has failed, those games are pretty successful titles? You can definitely see in fanfic community which games are more popular... since fanfic writing and consumption leans towards women. The competitive online shooters I do agree don't get much traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:34 AM
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That's because he doesn't expect to be in the population of men most at risk of SA. Which are incarcerated men and boys in juvenile correction facilities (which certainly IS a major issue). So its a way to dismiss women's concerns with their safety, after all men supposedly run the same risk!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:20 PM
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Those people are grifting men. Or when they do live as they preach, they quickly regret it (Laura Southern).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:01 PM
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How would a kid, who's an even bigger expense, solve that problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:59 PM
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I imagine it's not very easy to just abandon your kids either. And you can certainly still love your kids while also regretting that you had them. It seems extremely unfair to say every parent who regretted having their kids is Casey Anthony.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:57 PM
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The really silly thing against his point that feminists don't care about men is the fact that the author, Lara Stemple, for that first study is an intersectional feminist at UCLA. Doesn't make any sense to me how someone could come to that conclusion. You got this woman who spent her career advocating for disadvantaged men and boys and being against TERFs and gender exclusionary people used as evidence to hate on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:08 PM
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Uhh you do realize it was feminist groups that were critical for the UCR to adopt a gender neutral language definition for SA to include male victims right? Prior to 2012, the explicit FBI definition was for a female victim. If feminism is in support of male rape vicrims, it is doing an absolutely horrible job of it. Lara Stemple, the author of the first study you linked considers herself a feminist and often advocates for male victims specifically among prison populations and juvenile facilitie…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:03 PM
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Definitely working on plenty of women or they would stop doing it... Especially on mobile, there's tons of games marketed towards women where women are the majority of the revenue. Like take a look at Paper Games and the games they produced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 06:25 PM
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Why are video game makers targetting a female audience now and making design choices to appeal to women if they all hate video games? Should their boards fire the leadership? You arbitrarily defining gamer to be a narrow subset of people who play video games is not at all useful for them. It's certainly not majority men playing games like Love and Deepspace lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:23 PM
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Just in, different women value different things. Half of all gamers right now are women, so clearly not all of them can be saying they hate gamers. It's like how some people hate dating people with fish pics or hunting pics but I'm sure there are women interested in those activities too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:45 PM
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Incel was coopted by misogynists, the original term was coined by a woman referring to her own lack of success in dating. I've come across that shares their sexual history they always have some toxic asshole in there. Truth is misogynist men are often sexually successful. Having a relationship or not is not a major accomplishment, like some of the biggest losers I know are with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:43 PM
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I don't understand what is the lack of valuation on just friendships. And in reality I find there is not much difference in what you do to make friends and dating. Certainly I help my friends too and like being generous with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:05 PM
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I'd be fine agreeing that dating is hard for men. But like beyond that when people start insisting it's bad because women are genetically inferior or because they are malicious, that's when I stop agreeing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:56 PM
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That's the whole basis of fedora wearing neckbeards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:38 PM
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Make it make sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:50 PM
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Marriage stats are not just self reported though. The government has interest in whether you are married or not for tax purposes/immigration and to who. And considering the majority of people get married sometime in their life... it would capture most of these secret age gaps. Unlike LGBT identification.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:46 PM
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How does literally one example prove anything? It's the exactly like cherrypicking examples to suit a narrative. What's next? Am I gonna use Elon Musk as evidence that every man has a secret desire to have as many kids as possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:45 PM
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This sounds like an analogous advice as taking birth control hormones. And there certainly shouldn't be pressure to be doing so since bodily autonomy. Discussion with a doctor mainly if it would help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:42 PM
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Why are we just ignoring that the most common partner for nurses are... other nurses with the trend of them marrying doctors are declining. Likewise doctors are more often marrying other doctors.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:55 PM
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Men are more likely to remarry after a divorce than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:41 PM
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Most relationships are within the same socioeconomic class so I don't even get this reasoning. You already are focusing on outliers when looking at the ridiculously rich wealthy man and gorgeous gold digger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:40 PM
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Generally, we split cooking and dish washing. I'm fine washing dishes but I often don't really get home early enough to have dinner made at a good time (and I prefer having dinner earlier). I can't stand leaving dirty dishes in the sink or laundry lying around so I'm usually more on top of that. I hire a cleaner for my house since I don't like doing that and saves time. I've never kept track strictly who does what, but you know when someone isn't on the same page of cleanliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:28 PM
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It's interesting you would conclude having more rights causes unhappiness and not the higher cost of living and every thing else happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 06:03 PM
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What even is this? There is plenty of anime marketed towards women too. The stuff that doesn't appeal to most women is like harem isekais where you got an ordinary or ugly dude with multiple attractive women all wanting to be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:31 PM
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I mean people historically just didn't care what women wanted. Don't be trying to say powerless people were happier. The most stable and happiest marriages today are the ones where both partners are upper middle class and above.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:20 PM
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It's really not like that. Plenty of people in my circles (with same field) have similar wealth or having the woman earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:16 PM
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I don't think this would be possible or enforceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:07 PM
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I don't think so for your question. It's very rare for a guy to be considered universally attractive that I've just not seen it. I see this all the time with friends so my experience has been what's considered attractive varies a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:57 PM
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Coding used to be considered women's work https://www.history.com/articles/coding-used-to-be-a-womans-job-so-it-was-paid-less-and-undervalued And for gaming, read, I said used to be male dominated, now much closer to 50/50. Chemical engineering is another field that used to be male dominated but closer to 50/50 now. Blue used to be considered a feminine color while pink was masculine, today it is reversed. Many things that we considered "gendered" are the result of culture, not biology. They cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:58 PM
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How do you explain how computer engineering went from a considered a feminine profession to one for men? Gaming is another one, how do you explain a primarily male dominated hobby to one where about half of video game players are women now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:22 PM
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So if u all exclude 50-63% of men from an innate desire of men (having sex once a week ) why would u expect them to be kind to u or care for u? Just because people don't want to have sex with everyone doesn't mean they shouldn't be kind or care for them. WTF even is this reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:07 PM
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Then what are you doing here? Clearly there's someone that would pay something for the time you're posing on Reddit. Get a second job, work more hours and you'll have more income. Men don't have to do that either. But choosing to do things for more income is not a "sacrifice". Unless we're talking about people who can't make ends meet... but at that point it's not a sacrifice since our society often requires you to work to live for everyone. Like you need to pay your mortgage/rent, health insura…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:28 PM
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The fact that men earn more on average is a sign of yet another sacrifice that men make for the sake of women or at least of pleasing women. How is this a sacrifice?? I'd gladly volunteer as tribute here to be paid more. It's not just income here though, is is it. Look at bias towards the primary caregiver in terms of how physical custody is handled in a divorce. There probably is bias here. But more often than not the mother is more involved in their child's life so mothers getting custody more…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:26 PM
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How about equality in whom benefits from social welfare programs? If the whole reason that women don't want a provider husband anymore is because the state is taking on that role collectively, it means that I'm still stuck as a provider but don't get the benefit of companionship. Social welfare programs should be based on need of the individual. Men on average make more still so it would make sense that women receive more welfare since there are just more poor women than men. Certainly it wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:04 PM
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Well said! It's irritating seeing a lot of "if women won't date me, they don't deserve rights.".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:58 PM
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Wanting to have kids for a legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:55 PM
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I've found this is fairly common in the South Asian cultures. Seen it a lot in my Indian and Sri Lankan friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:51 PM
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A common RP talking point is that marriages are scams and you should pursue "spinning plates".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:48 PM
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In this case, it's the population of men who self identify as "Incels".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:00 PM
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Indian immigrants like I said. And plenty of Indians learn english since a lot of IT/engineering jobs are outsourced there. How exactly can it not be bigoted? It’s self reported data people can vote for the wrong country to push a narrative are you actually this dense? That's possible but I have no reason to believe that's the case. Why would people target Indians over anyone else? Do you think it's misandrist to say that the majority of people in prison are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:57 PM
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I mean a population demographic could be overrepresented. That's not racist or sexist. Women are overrepresented for falling for romance scams. I don't know the validity of the source, but the demographic data is not bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:48 PM
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No, because there's no objective measurement of attractiveness and even if there were, it very much could be an unequal distribution. For example, we have a few unimaginably wealthy people that the average wealth per person is significantly more wealth than most people have. Your attractiveness is based on what your target demographic believes you to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:32 PM
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If someone was implying they shouldn't have relationships at all because domestic violence exists, I would also think that to be unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:21 PM
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That's mostly stepfathers abusing stepdaughters. The vast majority of blended homes still have no such issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:02 PM
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It's from data in the 70s when divorce rates were higher than they are today (well really marriage rates down but the marriages which do happen have lower divorce rates today).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:00 PM
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Men are more likely to remarry though post losing their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:29 PM
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In that case clearly not just the "top 20%" of guys are getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:24 PM
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Many of the RP people here would be the village idiots in the past who would complain about fathers not allowing them to marry their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:29 PM
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It shows that women did not have the same 20% of men they rated above average. Very few men had the majority of women consider them above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:23 PM
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You mean the military with excess rates of SA? That women had to push to be able to participate in and who men to this day are still trying to exclude?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:53 PM
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yet they are expected to pay rent, give her gifts, pay for dates, just because male CEO, a top manager, an actor or a sportsman earns more than his female counterpart. This is fighting windmills, nobody believes men should be paying for their dates' rent, this is BS that manosphere grifters made up. And the reasoning trad PEOPLE give for men paying for gifts/dates isn't because men earn more on average, it's to demonstrate you can provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:22 PM
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Exactly! Many of these things that people allege happen only happen in like their heads, implanted by grifters in the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:19 PM
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99% of men do not protect women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:08 PM
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Rifle shooting is one of the few sports that has little to no advantage for men (and sometimes WR are held by women). Sooo definitely isn't this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:07 PM
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Where are the women who are domestic terrorists over not getting dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:04 PM
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I mean sure... she could murder her husband for an obvious way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:52 PM
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She is then allowed to raise the kid. This situation exists because it's convenient for women (and the state), even though it is decidedly shitty for the children involved. How is it shitty for the child involved if the mother wants the child? I can see it as shitty for the man but many of those cases the victim never files charges for the SA in the first place (sound familiar?) so the state has no clue that anything wrong happened. And then the child has been raised for years by mom and usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:51 PM
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I mean it should be as simple as claiming your parental rights in that case to gain custody. If the father doesn't even know his partner was pregnant and never informed the hospital that he's the father; I have a hard time imagining he cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:01 AM
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I mean if the mother is making very poor decisions, then I wouldn't expect her to be getting custody to be the single mom. Therefore she'd be the deadbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 10:02 PM
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A lot of life's difficulty is based on your starting character creation. If you don't min-max there, expect a hard run!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:54 PM
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It would certainly be an issue if the man wanted the kid but the woman decided to abandon. The whole abandoning kids at fire stations is only applicable when neither parents want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:32 PM
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Ok, but then you'd have to defend why you'd want to do something. I'm not sure Canadians would want to have the viewpoint of "We should favor stepparents over kids". And of course men have lost privileges compared to historically... but that's like saying well slave owners lost privileges when slavery was banned. Freeing people from exploitation is something that is owed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:24 PM
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But then you have to look at why those decisions are made and analyze if the underlying reason is fair. Getting primary custody for making more income is an argument but like I'm sure there are tons of reasons you wouldn't want to just judge based on that (ie absent parent, abusive, higher income parent doesn't even want custody etc.). But things like "more social help for poorer people" just makes sense, safety nets are for the disadvantaged. If women are on average have less resources, then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:16 PM
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No, pro child is just pro child. The issue is unwanted children don't have good outcomes at all and it's impossible to compel people to take care of kids (what are you going to do, lock them up?), so the state would rather you give up children for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:59 PM
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These laws seem to more be in favor of the child rather than men or women. Like it says in there grandparents can often also get parental rights/obligations if they are primary caregivers. I mean we can discuss whether it is better to favor children or stepparents and I'd be sympathetic to stepparents, but this is not a man vs woman issue. A woman who marries a single father could also have the same situation. Here in the states it's like 36% of men with custody receive child support. Compared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:54 PM
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There definitely is some crazy stuff that happens for women intra competition especially if it's for a shared romantic interest. Backstabbing and such. But I do agree by default, there's a lot less male solidarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:23 PM
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I say this because it's fighting windmills. Sure women can be unreasonable, but you aren't going to date/pursue them in the first place right? Who cares what they do. It'd be like me insisting men defend guys who want a childless partner while having kids of his own. I think the vast majority of guys agree this would also be an unreasonable ask and just meant to troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:36 PM
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Are those women in the room with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:10 PM
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You can exclude partners for whatever reason you want. But like hating on single moms or insisting they are undesirable for anyone is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:07 PM
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Sure, if you are wildly wealthy, photogenic (which also tends to be a requirement for successful streamers), and barely work, that's pretty ideal for anyone. I wouldn't be delusional on counting on someone to make it. There's an enormous difference between Markplier and your average video game streamer lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:55 PM
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Not even 5%, it's under 1% who makes above median income lol. You have a very small group who earn millions but the vast majority can't do it as their living. It's the equivalent of thinking you can get a contract playing pro sports while playing pick up games.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:53 PM
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The majority of streamers do not earn a lot of money lol. Majority of them earn below median income. It's similar to starving artists, cool job but most are not doing it to be rich. If you date actors expecting the next Pedro Pascal, that's a poor bet for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:48 PM
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I always view having a job as a means to an end and not an end. Honestly, that guy sounds ideal to me if he has enough that he never has to work a job!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:41 PM
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George Washington was a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:22 PM
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This is one of the stupidest things I've seen on this sub, and that's an accomplishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:22 PM
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We're still talking about Chopin today and using his creations. The average person is forgotten. If a man doesn't have a son, his ancestry can't be traced past 5 or 6 generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:19 PM
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This whole alpha-beta dynamic is just junk pop science from a study about wolves. That was then discredited for wolves and retracted since they don't actually do that outside of captivity. So the entire premise is already invalid and silly. Funnily enough, there's a growing amount of research into how human centric biases color observation of animals which I find very interesting. As for men competing with each other... I don't think guys really think of it like that. The kinda dudes who are bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:12 PM
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I love starving artist types! As long as they are actually about their art rather than just sitting around all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:58 PM
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People often disappear when they get relationships. You know the whole "And that's last we saw of him".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:18 PM
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Most women do not rate most guys as 6s or 5s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:16 PM
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Just having resources in our society is often the best way to get more resources (money earns more money). For dating, I really don't care, I'd prefer someone who is passionate about what they want to do even if it's not the most lucrative (and I don't much stock in climbing the corporate ladder or whatever). But just mentioning that the person with tons of resources can pretty easily just hire someone to manage their investments and get a pretty decent income stream.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 06:02 PM
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The male sex literally pursues because that is the whole reason sperm exists. Ovum are "Large gamete that doesn't move/moves very little, and selects from small gametes that present themselves to it". Sperm are "Small gamete that moves and presents itself to large gamete for selection". I guess then we would need to show that people are essentially their gametes. Sperm competition/differentiation does not necessarily mean male pursuit/female selection across species; could be the result of polya…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:01 PM
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Right, almost as if biology has little to do with what's considered feminine or masculine. It's not "the male sex pursues" anymore than "the male sex flaunts his suitability" at least in the context of human societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:50 PM
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Do you drag your knuckles like chimps too? Humans are also closely related to bonobos and they act very differently. And bonobos and chimps are genetically more related to each other than humans...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 12:00 PM
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Many species have colorfully adorned males yet in humans this is often reversed. I doubt you can convince men to stop pursuing but it like it's because it works for a majority of men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:56 AM
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Society trends and what we consider feminine or masculine change within cultures and time faster than can be explained by genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:47 AM
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If a lot of women were not having casual sex, who would promiscuous men even sleep with? I don't understand how guys claim relationships are hard, most women are sluts but they don't want sluts which logically would filter out most women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:39 AM
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A few percentage points is pretty significant if the narrative that women have way more opportunity to cheat is true. Men would be choosing to cheat practically every time they have a chance to!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:51 PM
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I don't agree with the 4B movement, most men are fine. But they at least don't start murdering guys. Not the same with incels
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:16 PM
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In that case, for those women, I would recommend they put on their big girl pants and approach more!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:13 PM
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Reciprocation is pretty much always the norm. Women may want to be approaches first, but if she's ignoring you, that's a lack of interest. If she's not putting in effort and you're doing everything, you're just being taken advantage of. In no world are women are just doing nothing like people imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:25 PM
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Source on this lol? Even the most traditional, conservative sites admit that men cheat more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:17 PM
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Men cheat at higher rates than women... Most people don't cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:11 PM
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This is some real meme theft. This is one issue I think affects women more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:13 AM
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Why didn't you inherit from your parents then? And what explains the many different cultures worldwide?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:04 AM
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😂😂😂😂 Both of yalls comments are the best thing that came out of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:30 AM
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But then suddenly they want more with me because I guess they assume that’s all I would expect out of a real relationship. Then they are shocked and offended when I tell them I don’t want a relationship with them. Like the whole time, they just assumed that’s what I wanted despite me never indicating that at all and then never treating me well at all. There's definitely are guys with main character syndrome out there who imagine they're god's gift to women. And if they feel something, obviously …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:26 AM
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Pregnancy is very terrifying to me, which I feel like should be the default state. Certainly have not been convinced of its benefits 🫠.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:06 AM
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Totally get that! There were men that I've had unreciprocated feelings for. But those were mostly friends I didn't end up sleeping with since they weren't interested. For the guys who were just there because I felt like we both wanted companionship... yea there's no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:50 AM
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What makes you think it came naturally then? Clearly your trad lifestyle instincts wasn't biologically inherited from your parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:22 AM
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Women also stand to gain a lot financially through a committed relationship, so that's a factor as well. Men, not so much That's just not really true for most people. Most marriages are between fairly equal partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:13 AM
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It's more men often have delusion that any girl they sleep with will want commitment from them. That's just not true. Both men and women will want to lock down good marriage partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:09 AM
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Oh, I assume you are putting 20% down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:58 AM
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Then you're not on a 30 year mortgage. The math doesn't look right here. I guess property tax rates can vary a lot between states.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:40 AM
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I mean doctors are a good example with more single women than men in the profession. And it's more like 18% that are single lol. Doctors also tend to be older since you spend many years in med school/residency so naturally will have a higher rate of being married. If we're talking the majority of the population, there is no big incentive to be marrying for money. If it was about maximizing money, we'd all be rushing to marry CS professionals, but we don't see that happening. And ofc, the kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:32 AM
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The alternative would be getting a good career yourself though. Most men are not earning double what their partner could such that marrying for money is worth doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:11 AM
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A good marriage is certainly worth it. I agree most men aren't cheating. I doubt most husbands are paying everything you're talking about though. Like yea if it was easy to find a guy like that who's also attractive and kind, you would see more people getting married lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:06 AM
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Yet men are more often the ones who cheat. If anything women have more cause to worry about their partner being unfaithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:01 AM
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I mean he wouldn't just be spending on one OF model.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:59 PM
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I mean I was assuming you mean like approaching a friend or something. For cold approaching based solely on looks, I don't see any reason to do that when there's apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:50 PM
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It isn't? Oh, I'm in a GOP hellhole but it is a community property state where assets acquired after marriage are equally owned (as a baseline). It seems its a small minority of states.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:34 PM
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In my experience it's more often been the guy catching feelings over the woman. At least in people who seek out casual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:24 PM
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I guess you'd have to consider how much extra he's spending in that case... since you are entitled to half of the marital assets in a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:18 PM
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For many women, that kind of guy has to be extremely attractive in order to do that. Compared to just remaining single and seeing what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:08 PM
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You guys are only "important" because you literally are a source of domestic terrorism. If that could be ignored, you would be. Like making women cover their drinks around you isn't really a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:05 PM
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I mean these days the husbands aren't getting side chicks but they are following/responding to thirst traps on Tik Tok or spending lots of money on OF.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:03 PM
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I love wedding dresses too! There's also potential tax benefits but yea...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:00 PM
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It's more that women who don't have trouble finding a partner don't need to approach since tons of men are motivated to do so. If you don't need to do something, most people just won't. If guys collectively just stopped approaching, I'm sure you would see women begin to approach more. But if your competition does something that you don't, well... I mean a lot of women who are successful either have great relationships already or are pretty much fine with remaining single. Like if a great guy cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:49 PM
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You can probably afford a house like that. For a 200k house, mortgage would be ~1200/month on a 30 year loan and interests rates pretty high rn. Not the worst debt to income people are at. If you got it when interests rates were really low a few years ago, you'd be pretty set.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:33 PM
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Did your parents live in similar arrangements?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:25 PM
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I mean women were also acquring resources in hunter gatherer societies. There was no staying at home doing nothing that people like to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:25 PM
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That whole narrative makes 0 sense if considering that besides the very wealthy, throughout history, women also worked, they just weren't compensated for it. It doesn't make much sense when considering homesteads or farming where everyone is doing more or less equivalent labor and nobody travelled much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:22 PM
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Yea these people back then would be like the village idiot and certainly not impressing a normal father 🫠
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:25 PM
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As opposed to incels who start murdering people?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:23 PM
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Well can respect you are honest 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:19 PM
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I would never have casual sex with someone hoping he'd change his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:15 PM
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Didn't have a lesbian phase/wasn't bisexual. That's really my thoughts with threesomes, if my partner wouldn't be comfortable with MMF, then neither would I agree to MFF.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:05 PM
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In that case even less for the guy to be insecure about, if some dude's just good for casual sex, then the only thing they had going for them was physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:05 PM
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Agreed, otherwise you get into situations where one partner is earning more therefore justifying less chores at home
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:44 PM
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That's pretty country dependant. Israel requires mandatory service from women too. Denmark recently as well. Ukraine is also increasing restrictions on women allowed to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:40 PM
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I mean you don't have to be bisexual to participate in MMF. And many women are still attracted to bisexual men. A sizeable population of women have a lesbian phase, and a lot of guys are okay with that, so the MFF is more reasonable. So if the woman didn't, would it be unreasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:26 PM
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Sex isn't only PiV.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:19 PM
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Would you be equally comfortable with another man in a threesome?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:15 PM
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This reminds me of that one Indian guy who posted this exact same thing. It's insecurity, and makes no sense since men are more likely to be unfaithful in relationships according to GSS. If she's with you and not her ex, that means she chose you over all her other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:12 PM
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Tf? Surely not all of em said that... Don't base your looks on dating apps, its often poor photos and the fact that women who are on them are selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:06 AM
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Hmmm you do seem to be doing everything right, it is pretty tough being alone and not having much luck. Unfortunate but men do need to be proactive in this and kinda just deal with rejection. I've definitely had moments pining away for someone too and it's not great.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:35 AM
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I don't think men who can't find someone who is compatible with them to be worthy of demeaning. That's the struggle for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:21 PM
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On average they are not. But I'm thinking the women who choose to be single are much happier than those in bad relationships. But the ones in good relationships are the happiest. For men, it's like most relationships are good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:06 PM
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Have you talked to girls in your classes before? Go out with friends? Go to house parties? Join a youth church group? I stayed close with a few guys from high school/intermediate school when we went to the same university. Online dating is really difficult for men since there are more men than women on those apps. And like all you have are photos to judge on which leads to pretty shallow interactions. What you could do is get your friends to take you better photos. Like don't have all selfies in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 09:59 PM
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They could just have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:01 PM
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Women are not exactly happier single. They still have better outcomes married vs not on average. It's a smaller difference than men though. But single also includes like divorced with children and those tend to be the least happy group so it's hard to say how happy the people who are single by choice are, for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:22 PM
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Guys do have it harder than women in some aspects of dating especially online. But like in my experience I have never met a guy irl who was incapable of getting any relationship like the people here insist happens regularly. Like I'm talking guys who are literal bums: overweight, homeless without their girlfriend and refuse to get jobs while paying child support for kids from different mothers (that they also delinquent in) all at about early 30s. So like if people like them can find a partner, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:17 PM
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Aren't women more likely to be neurotic than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:27 PM
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I mean the guys saying women shouldn't have male friends or can't be friends are 🤡s. But yea someone saying they a misandrist often won't be dating guys anyways. Women don't have this weird thing where they hate guys but can't stop chasing guys. But if she does, would not recommend guys date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:40 AM
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What are you even talking about? Take this hypothetical example of pics. If my previous partner took the pics I sent him as a normal part of a relationship, and then distributed them after a break up, taking accountability and setting boundaries is me just refusing to send pics to my new partner. That was a mistake on my part for expecting men to be better than that. Men who then get upset at me for changing what I'm willing to do (but she was willing send pics to her ex!), and not the guy who v…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:22 PM
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I mean just look at this forum... Young men with no experience with women insisting they know the truth of how all women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:40 PM
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Men still have to actively put in effort to make female friends, its not that much different to getting dates, and its probably even more complicated because there is always sexual tension assumed until proven otherwise. I don't know how this is any different than making friends at all. It can be a challenge if you're naturally introverted but there's no difference between men and women in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:35 PM
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You didn't do that, though. Both reptiles and clownfish evolved from organisms that initially didn't have males. The first reproduction was always just beings that reproduce on their own. Then, other beings evolved to fertilise and add genetic diversity to theirs. I'm not sure tracing back evolutionary history tells us anything. Like we could all go back to asexually reproducing organisms that would be incorrect to categorize as male or female. If we go back to the first horizontal transfer of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:53 PM
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I mean GSS also indicate that men are more often unfaithful (despite the narrative by RP that men have way less opportunity to). Next you're gonna be like "That just proves women lie more!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:32 PM
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The point is I'm pushing back against the idea that there is a default sex with the reptiles/clownfish. I'd also be against using nature to inform what people should do. Natural selection is not necessarily optimal for the species as a whole and there are many things that are natural but would be abhortent behavior in humans. In fact you could make the argument that patriarchal hierarchies are the natural state of things, since coercive mating strategies are common for males. To the point where …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:56 PM
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Anything trying to use animals to justify their behavior as "natural". Anything along the lines of "men built everything therefore women entitled".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:11 PM
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As long as male and female sexes have existed, a good chunk of the males were not able to mate. The male sex exists to provide genetic diversity, the female sex exists to be the default and to select from the diversity. This is not really true if you're talking about animals. Clownfish are all default male and compete to become female. Many reptiles including all crocodillians and most turtles there is no default since sex is determined by environment temperature. The past few thousand years hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:10 AM
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I've definitely felt bad for some people here. Dating is hard and men do face different challenges than women. Mostly though, a lot of the posts here are just outrageous ragebait that I can't take seriously or extremely vile beliefs about women. And those people I don't feel sorry for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:46 AM
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Just consider them the 🤡s in the circus that is the manosphere. The funniest is when the sexism loops back around to misandry and you see RP people advocating reducing the male population significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:41 AM
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I am just against the idea that there is a gender war and that we need to get rid of men (this is like literal horseshoe theory with actual misandrists). I think better socialization of boys and pushback on harmful gender stereotypes will help. Stop teaching men that they ought to be providers is an easy one to point to in modern societies. Reforms to the criminal justice system which would disproportionally help men. Either no conscription or mandatory conscription of everyone. How do you get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:29 PM
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How is that evil? If anything in your worldview, it's literally doing the same thing as RP, favoring a tribe (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:19 PM
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Sorry that happened to you. I'd be pretty annoyed too that too. What I was considering more unreasonable was the point about having sex with a guy disgusting or causing aversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:18 PM
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Men are sent to wars to die while women are shackled, have their rights taken away, all to protect them. That wasn't to protect them, it was to commoditize them and keep them as second class citizens. They were more valuable to men for domestic tasks/having kids then they would be in the workforce/military. To suggest otherwise is insulting. Throughout the ancient world for example, it was pretty consistent that women were fed less and at a lower priority than boys with less expensive food (blan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:49 PM
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Men were responsible for making feminine terms insulting even when their origins weren't. Consider like "Buddy" vs "Sissy".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:41 PM
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"she wears the pants" Someone who's very experienced at their craft is a "Master" and not "Mistress" regardless of gender. "Buddy" and "Sissy" were both gendered terms... which one is used as an insult more?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:38 PM
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I like to buy things for my close friends regardless of gender that I have no romantic attraction to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:29 PM
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I think that's a pretty toxic mindset. The same social skills that you use to make friends are also good for finding a partner too. This does not mean you would treat the two in the exact same way or look for the same features.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:02 PM
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What is evil then? Nothing can be evil without choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:32 PM
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If you're not, then wanting to live is self evidently a good thing. Therefore men having worse outcomes refutes the idea that men are the best things to happen to their partner and are unaffected/benefit by their partner leaving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:26 PM
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How would you ever expect to measure such a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:17 PM
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The majority of men who don't subscribe to pills and such, so "blue pilled" as the dominant narrative don't have major issues finding a partner if they want one. Meanwhile "Red Pill" members are a small sub culture who have plenty of trouble finding partners and spread a narrative that doesn't reflect reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:13 PM
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Geez, I didn't even think RP went as far as to start claiming human nature is fundamentally evil lol. That's like some real anti-social low functioning drivel. Cooperation and altruism is also inherently a part of human nature, civilization could not have succeeded without people who prioritized their community over themselves too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:59 PM
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Divorce often has negative impacts on women too. But relative to men, they often have better outcomes, ie still lose-lose but losing less. Bruh, if you a nihilist, you wouldn't care about any outcome if it's all meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:24 PM
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Then yea, I'd see nothing wrong with waiting, and just being good at communicating appreciation and care without sex goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:33 PM
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Also the red pill men who post here are rarely conservative. You guys are just radical leftists and anyone who disagrees with you gets filed under conservative. Reddit is a radical lefty squawk box and virtually this entire platform is an echo chamber for leftists. RP, inceldom and the whole manosphere ecosystem is a lot closer linked to the political right than left. Look at people like Nick Fuentes lol. It's not radical left to be against populism and anti-intellectualism. It's also no secret …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:29 PM
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So despite all the measure negative consequences for divorce and breakups that disproportionally affect men, somehow men are better off because? Idk, if men are supposed to be the logical ones, make it make sense here. This whole thing reads like a salty post over an ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:13 PM
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I mean, for me if it's because they genuinely aren't comfortable with it, I really don't mind. If the guy is a good companion otherwise, plenty of other things to do without sex. It's really just a problem if they playing "Dread" games or have lost interest and too cowardly to just leave, because nobody has time for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:07 PM
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There are many reasons to not date conservatives. Being media illiterate though isn't a dealbreaker. It's the fact that most of them are bigoted, disrespectful and entitled. But it is always funny pointing out that the Atlas Shrugged movie needed crowdfunding to be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:04 PM
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As an example liberal men refuse to change tires because tools are patriarchal. I have never heard of any one saying something like this unironically. It's like the whole "kids are using litterboxes" nonsense. This emotional illiteracy shows up in the form of chronic victimization, thinking vibes are facts and mistaking trauma dumping for intimacy Conservatives have way more nonsensical victimization narratives. Like simultaneously insisting trans people are a tiny minority who don't warrant acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:00 PM
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It's hard to say, he certainly was familiar with the literature of his time but impossible to guess if he would understand things today thousands of years later with numerous changes to civilization. WTF is the point of your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:53 PM
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This is like nonsensical gender war bait and not even true. Majority of divorces are started by women, men are more prone to depression, suicide, and health impacts than women post divorce. Men also have a larger delta for life expectancy if married vs single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:17 PM
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It's more men just don't have standards. Like if someone is lazy, entitled and unstable, you should just remain single over wanting to get with them. Women usually are better weeding these people out but men just don't care if she's somewhat attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:51 PM
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What's with the blaming women for men causing trauma? If women kept doing the same thing you would consider them stupid for expecting different results 🙄. Straight main character syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:57 AM
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Everyone can be delusional. If you get attention from lots of people you are trying to attract, clearly you are attractive by the one metric that matters. It's mostly dudes however, who insist women who have like all the options in the world are actually mid and unattractive (especially for not picking them, despite clearly being the pinnacle of male desirability).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:03 AM
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You should stay single over dating someone you aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:59 AM
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I think it's more about the fear that one day they'll find out the guy is actually gay. And then being disgusted or insecure about them sleeping with other guys and wondering how they compare. Honestly it seems like a pretty offensive view to hold to me but I've known otherwise progressive people really have a hurdle with this. I've only been with straight men but I consider the idea of two attractive guys going at each other to be pretty appealing so don't really understand the prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:39 AM
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How would that ever prove men were cheating? Of course men would be for that, it's not going to reveal anything inconvenient about them even if they cheated. Women always know their kids are actually theirs after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:45 AM
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Then how do some women consider you above average but others do not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:21 PM
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I can barely read this, have some paragraph breaks. This whole idea that "monogamy" means you only have one partner your whole life is really silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:08 PM
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or are most women old and/or single mothers? Most women are not in the 18-24 age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:01 PM
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I mean it'd be socially unacceptable to be dating a non-single mom tf?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:59 PM
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And if they take pics of you? Don't send them if you want to avoid that risk. simple as. Yet men get upset when women decide dating guys is too much of a risk and get upset when women refuse to do things they used to do for previous partners. And then blame women for this rather than men who are bad actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:27 PM
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What do you mean? One of the things we're worried about is someone sharing intimate pics without consent...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:22 PM
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Has nothing to do with safety. Important when considering risk-reward. Juice has to be worth the squeeze. If something is really good, I'd be willing to take more risk for. And men get set up to be robbed or attacked by women. Blackmailed as well. Much less common than being harmed by your partner or just having a painful experience. Like sometimes it's not even malevolence but hopefully I don't need to explain how being penetrated has a higher probability of being hurt. Not unique to women. Muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:48 PM
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I mean someone who thinks they can do better by waiting is a rational choice (and who doesn't think failing to find better is a big downside). Once you get invested in someone, it's a lot harder to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:10 PM
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All strangers are potentially dangerous. So, yes men are risking their safety. It's not at all an even risk in heterosexual relationships. Women are more likely to be seriously injured by partners, get STDs, can get pregnant and have less satisfying encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:58 PM
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I mean you ever read the Awakening (horrible book but often required reading)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:55 PM
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But then it begs the question why women are more selective. And definitely part of the reasons are expected gender norms and the fact that it's more unsafe for women to engage in that behavior (increased chance of STDs, higher chance of partner harming them, lower chance of finishing).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:49 PM
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Majority of men aren't like that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:47 PM
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I can barely recognize different cars and am overall agnostic about it. More so if the car is well maintained/cleaned on the interior or clearly been eaten in a lot with fast food and smelly. Besides gender affirming giant trucks that are way too high that the owner clearly doesn't need, I'd be judging there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:15 PM
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I don't know why this has been suggested so much by RP men... Horseshoe theory with misandrists here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:03 PM
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This just seems extremely painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:00 PM
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This is so stupid and ignores everything that happens historically. Like we had the populous nations on earth selectively aborting girls until quite recently but apparently women are universally considered more valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:59 PM
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less greenlighting of owner-occupant single family homes. The overwhelmingly preferred housing type in the West. This has pushed up prices for SFH to a wildly unhealthy degree. I live in a high COLA area - fixer uppers are often bidded sight unseen or inspections waived for all cash or near all cash. Any starter home under 500K that isn't a fixer upper has over a dozen offers in a few days. Pushing density at all costs - this is driving people who want to live in SFH or have decent parcel sizes …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:50 PM
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Friend groups, shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:44 PM
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I think that's just a function of women are more selective than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:27 PM
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Women are pretty varied in what traits they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:24 PM
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The percentage of men 18-24 who are tall and muscular isn’t a huge number either, so I’m not sure your point here. I mean the difference is women are more cognizant when a guy is super attractive and being pursued by tons of other women. Like I just wouldn't bother if it's clear they weren't very interested in me. Whereas guys will be like "she's nothing special anyways" for a woman who has similar amounts of male attention and then blame them for not picking him out of all her options. Likewise…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:18 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:07 PM
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tf? That's kinda weird...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:01 PM
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Guys think we want attention from balding, obese dudes twice our age or more because "women like older guys". Sure, if everyone that approached was something out of a dating sim or rom com, that would be fantastic but that's not what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:57 PM
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Guys have a fairly low threshold for looks though. Girls who are 6s and 7s get this treatment all the time, and many of the guys showing interest to them are 8s. I mean who's doing the rating? Guys often are overrating themselves and underrating their potential partners. The population of 18-24 women who are thin is not a very large % of all women. At least it should be men rating women and women rating men to have non-biased data.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:53 PM
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I meant even if you pay for both, the extra amount you'd have to pay is just half the total. Not really fair to include the amount you need for yourself as part of the total. Unless like you wouldn't do anything without a date which is silly. And I doubt many are going on first dates every week, past that point and the two of you vibe, you should expect to be more even.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:29 PM
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Half of it you'd have to pay for anyways if things were even, if regularly taking people out to 100$+ places, that's like you having expensive tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:54 PM
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That's really just an American thing, in the UK and other Western European country, default is just equal. I don't really think it matters either way though, unless someone makes a big deal out of it, the money is insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:31 PM
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That would be unenforceable today, and men are valued more than women in many societies. Even to the point where girls would be aborted. Historically men were valued more by the State because physical strength was a huge competitive advantage. If you didn't have women, you could just defeat neighbors who did and claim them as spoils of war. The narrative that men were seen as disposable isn't really true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:29 PM
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It's better to just pay for yourself anyways, don't want to be confronting delusional guys who feel entitled because they paid for a 20$ meal or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:26 PM
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Lmao 😅😅. I like to ask them: "Sooo was your father a Chad or a beta".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:05 AM
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There's plenty of conservative women who truly believe men are superior and women can't be equal 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:01 AM
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Yea, Pick Mes just feel really cringe but I was thinking a lot of them are trying to grift gullible guys. It's parasocial gold digging...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:52 AM
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The people who are sleeping with tons of women simultaneously like that have plenty of downsides. You worry about STDs and how it doesn't really go anywhere. I'm sure men can also find some very attractive gay men in their slut phase as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:17 PM
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Being able to get sex with the average man isn't a major benefit. Like I'm sure men could also find some guy to penetrate them if they wanted as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:08 PM
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It's not "social dominance" to ask someone to do house chores, its something you should do without asking... Like why would you want to live in a messy place? Same with like going to see the doctor/dentist, it's literally to your benefit, next you'll be saying letting women do your laundry is a favor to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:05 PM
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Both men and women in adult industries get paid more to perform with men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:53 PM
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That's a good way to think of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:51 PM
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Birthrates in Japan and Korea and China are even more unsustainable. And India has plenty of other downsides as well as arguably going down the same route.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:40 PM
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Most men are chasing the same group of young, fit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:33 PM
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I didn't say anything wrong about blue collar workers, they are fine...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:30 PM
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Being a conservative is a choice, being black is not. Of course we should judge people based on their choices. What you find physically attractive is also largely out of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:19 PM
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Fr, why would you even want to brag about N counts 🙈
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:13 PM
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It's competition between women. That's the basis of pick mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:12 PM
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Most men end up married sometime in their lives. Men who have had 0 sexual encounters at all are pretty rare and probably a good % of them are by choice. Sure if all you go for are women 18-24 who are thin then that's a small population of women overall. Most people in the country are overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:53 PM
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It means there was good agreement in what was unattractive but significantly worse agreement what was attractive. We already know that very few men are attractive according to women, so there would only be a handful of men in that group of 100 who would have a high success rate. Most women find few men to be attractive. Women do not find the SAME few men to be attractive. The OkCupid study that the 80/20 rule originated from also had that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:10 PM
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If I ever have a private jet, go ahead, that's publically available information. Expectations of privacy are different for politicians and public figures, apparently only you don't realize that. I mean we should allow more immigration of skilled labor, it would help the country. We certainly don't seem to be doing that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:04 PM
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Yea don't even get me started on his natalism, gross 💀.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:02 PM
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https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research Here's one for example. The study finds that women only swipe right 30% of the time; about 20% of all female dating app users also turn down more than 80% of the potential male suitors on the apps. The results showed that out of a group of 100 profiles of bachelors, only 1 profile was "liked" by more than 80% of the women, and yet 38 of the profiles were "disliked" by that same group of part…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:58 PM
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I don't hate free speech, Musk is a hypocrite though, banning things that criticize him. He wants to control speech but rather than moderate and ban neo nazis, he wants to give them a platform and ban dissent against them. And immigration of skilled labor is so vague, I don't even know what you're talking about. Clearly cutting funding to universities and research is causing educated professors to leave the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:56 PM
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Ok I have the dress and boat party but no selfies 🤧
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:59 PM
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I'd be disgusted by Musk since I hate his politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:52 PM
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There are women who will and won't. It really doesn't matter to me (though of course if my partner is rich enough to give me millions of dollars so I never have to work, thats a plus), but for some women, its very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:49 PM
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I am surprised you mention Monica, guys always talking about women expire after 30 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:34 PM
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A pretty poor proxy since anyone can buy clothing and what's in fashion changes quickly. I certainly do not see much effort in the vast majority of dating pics for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:30 PM
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How is anyone judging fame, career or family over dating profile pics?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:25 PM
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Brad Pitt is too old for most young women now. Henry Cavill is mainly men who think he is an example of an attractive guy lol. Models are attractive for different reasons though and that's where preference comes in. Certainly young Brad Pitt was not interchangeable with Cavill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:05 PM
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Huh? There are plenty of models that appeal to different people. I certainly don't agree that every model looks attractive. Beauty and fashion standards also certainly shift over time. There is not much objectivity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:56 PM
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I'm speaking of my own experience, I dislike body hair (chest, back, arms and legs) on men but that's not at all universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:48 PM
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Men who literally can't get dates at all are a tiny minority. Like you got dudes in prison and homeless or from extremely poor neighborhoods getting together with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:16 PM
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There's good agreement on what traits are unattractive but not good agreement on traits that are attractive. For example, nobody would consider being obese or smelly good. But things like body hair, extraversion, hobbies are all very subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:14 PM
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Guys do have very lazy profiles and poor photos 🙈
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:02 PM
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Yep, men had more agreement on which women were physically attractive and overall thought more women were attractive. Women thought fewer men were attractive and had poor agreement on which guys were hot. If anything it's more female "Chads" monopolizing all the men 😅.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:57 PM
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Yes, if you have a 100 women who on average rate 30/100 guys attractive but only 1 man has everyone saying he's attractive, that's good evidence against AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:39 PM
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Of course, the narrative has always been "women are all chasing the same Chads who monopolize all women" because reading comprehension is poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:43 PM
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"Average" is a subjective measure and determined by your partner. Just because I think a guy is average is likely not what other women think. Likewise, what makes a woman average or not is based on what other guys think, if you don't think she's above average but she still gets a lot of attention from men you think are attractive... then clearly she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:40 PM
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Age is an important factor. Women tend to rate men near their age as more attractive while men of all ages tend to rate younger women as more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:30 PM
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That women are selective in who they swipe on? That's likely true. That women are pursuing the same 20% of men? That's false because of different preferences. It's a subtle but important difference. Think of it as you go to a resturaunt and you only think a few dishes are good, but you and your friends all order different dishes. But you all agree fermented herring is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:24 PM
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https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research Here's one for example. The study finds that women only swipe right 30% of the time; about 20% of all female dating app users also turn down more than 80% of the potential male suitors on the apps. The results showed that out of a group of 100 profiles of bachelors, only 1 profile was "liked" by more than 80% of the women, and yet 38 of the profiles were "disliked" by that same group of part…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:20 PM
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Studies have shown consistently that while women will accept around 30% of guys, there is poor agreement in which 30% it is between women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:51 PM
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There are plenty of women who are primary breadwinners today or in equal partnerships and they clearly make it work. Heck, starving artist is a popular archetype for women, certainly they aren't being picked for their earning potential. Masculine can describe tons of things, but sure physical traits that people find attractive are rooted in biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:07 AM
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It's about the general dynamics, not individual examples General dynamics? You mean like historically until the past century how women were prevented from accessing the same opportunities as men and when physical strength was a major competitive advantage men had? What even is your argument? "Men choose jobs that are more dangerous or require more physical strength, therefore men are better"? "Men were the leaders in most historical societies since women were subjugated"? What would evidence aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:19 AM
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This is the zoo 😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:58 AM
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Sure, but I always take the fact that my partner is enthusiastically with me as evidence enough that I'm a better option than his exes. Idk what other proofs there needs to be. This here is always the hardest insecurity for me to understand, would you stay with a partner you don't desire? I sure wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:55 AM
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That actually explains a lot...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:35 AM
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Yet you're still giving any examples where they have I mean if you don't know ANY examples, then you're willfully ignorant or a moron. Wi Fi technology was pioneered by a woman. A woman and a gay man were key to cracking the Enigma code in WWII. Hell, computer programming was a female dominated field. Kevlar, an key innovation in material science used in body armor was invented by a woman. Artemisinin, a drug targetting the disease that's killed the most humans historically, also invented by a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:18 AM
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Tbh that sounds kinda funny, and it's something that has a physical basis to model. If it was my partner, I'd probably check his math and then ask him to calculate how many more miles he thinks he can add 😅 Above posters are like living in an alternate reality or never talked to a woman in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:46 AM
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What's completely detached from reality? Ignoring the fact that performative gender identity has evolved with society? Or are you delusional and are the type to think women contributed nothing to society? Thinking men did everything is the loser's power fantasy. There were certainly many intelligent and capable men historically but you're not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:34 AM
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Why she didn't have the feral attraction towards me like she did have with others guy she barely knew and hooked up with them, was I not enough? I'll always be below the guy she chose to hookup with or I'm compensating for it by my personality and efforts I don't know anybody who treats men differently like you suggest unless they themselves have changed and just wouldn't be having casual sex with anyone anymore. Clearly if they're not longer with those guys, that's evidence enough. When are you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:07 PM
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I mean we knew that from the original "80/20" study that people love mentioning. There was very poor agreement between women on who the top 20% of guys were (a lot due to women preferring men around their age while men consistently prefer young women).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:24 PM
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Agree, they both look good what are people even saying? 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:23 PM
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Talking about relationships like technical analysis...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:17 PM
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That's axiomatic and you build morality off of those axioms. Like if you don't believe humans should have rights why do anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:10 PM
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People hold positions because they feel like it must be true while ignoring evidence against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:29 PM
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Societal preferences and gender norms change significantly faster than can be explained by genetics. We don't even bat an eye at boys not wearing dresses or blue for boys/pink for girls but those were not the case even 100 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:49 PM
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That's fair, yea work I don't take personally since it's a means to an end on both ways. I expect the relationship to be transactional. I do have issues with getting attached to my partners or people I care about and feeling the need to defend them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:41 PM
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Have you considered those women are either also neo nazis or that the men were just good at hiding who they were? It's pretty easy to fool someone initially, which is why women need to be careful with random guys. For me, being a MAGA is a dealbreaker but like those people will say whatever they think you want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:31 PM
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It's ok to just be polite and non confrontational with strangers. But you should be honest to like people you are presumably interested in getting to know and date. Why would you even want to be with someone if you can't stand them or you'd have to pretend to be someone you're not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:56 PM
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They often have ulterior motives. Equivalent to like pick mes who promote being a trad wife who are actually just like grifting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:48 PM
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Sure, I wouldn't care about things like being financially irresponsible if I don't plan on keeping up with him. Like someone's who's hot but is heavily leveraged into random cryptos or options with a dream to retire early, yea I wouldn't date, but they can be very funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:30 PM
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Hookups- Be good looking to me, fun and no major behavior red flags (like being an unsafe person to be around, openly bigoted). LTR - Be good looking and compatible interest and life goals and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:03 PM
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I feel like preferences and sexuality are defined by a variety of features, not just genitals or especially chromosomes. For that reason, if you're attracted to mainly feminine features as a man you'd be het. Likewise for het women attracted to masculine gender expression in passing trans men. But sexuality is mainly a spectrum so it's more leaning towards one end or another. Trying to categorize someone into boxes doesn't really work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:19 PM
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I feel like you have to care about someone to enjoy emotional intimacy, if I didn't I wouldn't want to be intimate with them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:47 PM
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Because "their level" is a completely abstract and individual notion. There's no universal definition, just like there's no universal definition of when someone becomes "hypergamous," which red pillers exploit by labeling women hypergamous as long as the man she is dating is superior in some category. Some red pillers have argued that a woman dating a man who is taller than her counts as hypergamy, which is more than enough to show you it's bullshit. My favorite is when "Hypergamy" becomes any f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:45 PM
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Exactly! This is the strategy of hide behind some generic self help advice while ignoring all the toxic biological determinism and misogyny that's so pervasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:43 PM
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The red pill simply state logic and facts. Women overall do not like this because most women live in their emotions in the moment. Not having the ability to change any situation because she feels like it because there is a monolith (fact) in front of her removes that power. For supposedly being a logical person, you sure are bitter about things. Look at the amount of female celebrities who came out as gay during the last election cycle. And now magically cut all that stuff out and label themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:39 PM
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Not caring means you won't have a fulfilling relationship in the first place. Like that's fine to think of when you're negotiating with your employer or a vendor/client but like what are you hoping to get out of relationships besides a satisfying connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:34 PM
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There is some truth and good advice on the surface of RP but those are things you can get anywhere from self help books or self improvement mindset. Things like you should try to be an interesting person or make an effort on your looks, career, hobbies and not be afraid of rejection. What makes RP unique is the toxic biological determinism and belief in women inferiority that you can't really separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:33 PM
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Yep, there was a lot done historically that either got their credit stolen or not recognized.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:24 PM
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Contributing to the women expire after 30 stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:25 PM
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There are certainly pros and cons having kids young or older. 1) More maturity. (Debatable, there's no significant difference in maturity between a 30 yo and a 40 yo. This argument only really works of you're comparing yourself to literal teen parents. Also, in many cases it is having kids that makes people mature. If you're in your 40s and don't have kids and just play video games all day, you're not more mature than the average 22 yo.) This is a crazy assumption though, of course people older …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:22 PM
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The study finds that women only swipe right 30% of the time; about 20% of all female dating app users also turn down more than 80% of the potential male suitors on the apps. The results showed that out of a group of 100 profiles of bachelors, only 1 profile was "liked" by more than 80% of the women, and yet 38 of the profiles were "disliked" by that same group of participants. So if women liked 30% of guys (swiping right) yet only 1/100 guys was liked by more than 80% of women; that just goes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:51 PM
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Arbitrary cut off because we do not have studies that sccount for time spent. It is not a flat dice roll percentage. E.g a steady 2.28%. As years increase its safe to assume the chance of divorce lowers. Well your model doesn't reflect measured results so something can't be right about the model. Serial divorcers should be increasing the rates of divorce per married woman. The issue is if you increase the timeline on your model you start reaching different conclusions, there's no reason to pick …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:39 PM
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The 50% divorce rates were a projection due to rising divorce rates in the 70s and extrapolated out, they were never reality since divorce rates stopped rising (well marriages also started declining too, can't get divorced if you never marry). The refined rate certainly can't be lower than the crude rate though. That being said the stat you want to track if you care about this is what % of first marriages end in divorce. This way you aren't considering serial divorcers. Considering we have measu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:55 PM
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The OkCupid study and the source of the 80/20 metric was the one that came to that conclusion. Women did usually rate fewer men as very attractive... but they weren't the same men between women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:33 PM
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Plenty of women freely admit they'd rather be lesbian if it were a choice lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:15 PM
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Natural selection will always move our population to roughly 50/50. If there was an imbalance, the couples who have more kids of the minority sex would have a better chance of passing on their genes. Current imbalance we see slightly more male babies than female babies because men live shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:24 PM
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How would you even enforce this idea without trampling all over individual autonomy? Natural selection would also be a driver to get the ratio back to 50/50, since couples who have more male children will now have a better chance of passing on their genes the further away you get. We already have more male children than female due to men living shorter lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:17 PM
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The top % of men that women go for are not shared amongst all women. Women for example consistently rate men closer to them in age as more attractive while men consistently choose younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:10 PM
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Bruh, are you really ignoring all the contributions of female professionals and leaders? There are plenty of women more intelligent and capable than you are. How come women are doing better academically then men these days? So we took the one thing women were uniquely good at (being mothers) and traded it for a bunch of shit women are uniquely bad at (skilled labor). This is why more and more women are choosing not to have kids if they focus on their career. But I mean there are plenty of succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:53 PM
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Almost half of households have either equal financial contributions or the woman as the primary breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:46 PM
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I feel like marriage still has benefits, a lot of things in society are geared towards supporting married couples. That being said these days it's not necessary, but that's not the same as there's no benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:38 PM
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I mean I don't believe men are like this intrinsically, just the fact that men enter relationships isn't good evidence that they see women as human beings and not just sex objects. It's equivalent as "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" or "How could I hate women if I pay for escorts?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:36 PM
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Women worked prior to entering the work force, they just weren't compensated for it. Or arbitrarily prevented from being in certain fields. Men do not deserve compensation for correcting something that was fundamentally unfair to women. Imagine if we prevented men from working in order to drive up women's salaries lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:30 PM
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I mean I guess there is tax benefits if you earn a lot more than your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:22 PM
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I've definitely had people pretend to be something they are not or try to hide resentment. If I knew someone's weirdo like believing in manosphere things or MAGA, that would just be a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:20 PM
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How is that proof at all? A lot of men here even claim they only enter relationships so they can get laid and if given a choice, they wouldn't. That's the whole issue about deceit and love bombing and leading people until they have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:08 PM
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If I was happy with our sex life before this point, I wouldn't mind. People change after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:32 PM
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No, that phrase refers to straight men (or women) who choose to do that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-for-pay
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:27 PM
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Do you randomly get a paternity test if you believe your partner is faithful?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:54 PM
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I mean it goes both ways, men are more often to resent partners that earn more than they do just like women are more often to resent partners that make less than they do. That's mainly due to our society's expectations of gender roles and bias. Clearly it's better than in the past since plenty of relationships have the women being the primary breadearner or equal relationships today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:43 PM
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How? Sometimes one partner is more successful than the other but I've only seen men get weird about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:39 PM
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DEI is banned in many places in the US and if companies didn't think it helped them why would they do it (beyond performative cases)? Their goal is to make money, or do you think large, global companies are just interested in sabotaging themselves for DEI? Quotas are actually just illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:33 PM
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Plenty of guys are gay for pay, and people of every gender are paid more to have sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:20 PM
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Sometimes it's just losing interest or deciding someone isn't compatible. Confrontation is hard or you aren't comfortable continuing to keep in contact with someone, so ghosting. It sucks when that happens to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:18 PM
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It's usually always men pursuing things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:57 PM
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Men could work then, just couldn't be paid. If you're so against the "nanny state" why can't you compete on a fair basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:55 PM
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I consider myself a feminist and sex work can be well regulated/consensual. There is however the issue that can't be ignored that many sex workers are human trafficking victims. You can't have consent in those cases and it's not like clients would care to check.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:47 PM
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TBH I think most heterosexual women would rather have female clients than male ones lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:42 PM
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Dude, imagine you had like the hottest woman but she was sleeping with tons of other guys and makes it clear she wouldn't stop. Would you still sleep with her? Would you then pursue a committed relationship with her/pine away for her? It's literally the same thing with women looking for guys for hook ups. The women who do go for them certainly don't want those qualities for committed relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:33 PM
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Rarely do you find deals where everyone loses but this here sounds like tons of risk for everyone involved for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:47 PM
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Would you be fine if men were arbitrarily prevented from working then, for the benefit of women's salaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:41 PM
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I mean plenty of relationships are equal too. You'd also have to consider that women still earn less than men (argue all day what are the causes for this) but we do know that wealthier couples have better outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:36 PM
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You go back far enough, women didn't really have a choice. You needed to get together with a guy for a living lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:28 PM
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People are hypocrites. To me, the pick-mes are the trad wife aesthetic content creators who are grifting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:25 PM
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I mean I believe having kids from a previous relationship is a downside to dating for anyone. I'm often reminded how much guys hate dating women with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:20 PM
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I don't know anybody who thinks like this, it's basically eugenics. Plus for all intents and purposes kid would consider the guy who raised them to be their father. Nobody I know is rushing to have kids out of wedlock and then expecting to find a guy to raise them, that's just a ridiculous scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:35 PM
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I'd agree then, nobody I know is dating based on their partner's job or career.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:18 PM
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Who claims that? Feminism, blue pillers and women do claim that women are not hypergamous but assortative. The goal of my post is to show their idea of assortative is still hypergamous. What do you even mean by assortative mating? To me that's mainly people marry people who are similar to them, which has nothing to do with hypergamy. A blue piller who is actually blue pilled. What else but biology would make women pursue men with more resources? Do you think female animals, humans included, didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:29 PM
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Everyone wants the best they can get. I may think objectively I'm worth a certain salary but sure I'd negotiate for the best I could get. It's equality when everyone is free to look out for their best interest. Equating feminism wanting to have gender equality in the sense that women should be more willing to settle is making a straw man. Hypergamy is a meaningless term the way RP use it, there's no biological or intrinsic characteristic that makes women pursue men with more resources. If it jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:30 PM
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They are good to have outside of dating lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:13 PM
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You got prisoners with no prospects who have partners lol. Plenty of people are working median or below median jobs and heck those people are the groups with the highest fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:20 PM
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I mean and if those women have unrealistic expectations, they either broaden their pool or remain single or look around harder. Obviously, it would be silly if they then complained about being single for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:18 PM
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The US they often get paid below minimum wage, like 2$/hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:41 PM
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Then the way to do it should be to not go to establishments that expect you to tip. Certainly you can get food without going out to eat. Not make it the employees' problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:24 PM
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In the US, it's a social requirement for many places since they pay significantly below rates. When in Rome, you do as the Romans do. Ideally I'd like it to be different, but the real way to protest for change is not give your business to places who expect you to tip, not screwing over the employees and make it their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:21 PM
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You need to consider cost of living and purchasing power parity if you want to compare living standards. And account for the fact of poorly distributed wealth. Even in the US the poorest certainly do not live well by any standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:19 PM
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Unmarried does not mean "single" or "not in a relationship". Certainly you don't need to be married to have a poor relationship. And also "Very Happy" doesn't account for perhaps there are more people who are married that are miserable too compared to single.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:11 PM
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I'd prefer to be robbed rather than murdered doesn't mean I think being robbed is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:09 PM
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Yea, arguing about intentions is very difficult to prove and messy. It's the same way with "They treated their ex differently than me", really could just be they changed what they'd do for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 02:55 PM
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I think any comparison on being easier becomes very subjective and I don't feel like there are that many unique challenges. Like success in many areas would be the same advice for both men and women. I personally wouldn't feel like it'd be easier to be a man but I have a hard time thinking it'd be harder too, at least in the US. Worldwide, yea I'd much rather be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:35 PM
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Why do they need to be convincingly human? It has no impact in how good they are in Chess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:27 PM
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You can but best human is already a limiting category for the sake of competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:25 PM
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I mean yea, we don't want to watch the NBA players play with college level teams? Say the open NBA is for the absolute best players while other leagues for the best qualifying factors. I'm not sure why this is controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:22 PM
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Sports always have rules and you need restrictions to keep things competitive. Might be because the competition is about finding the best human. There are AI competitions as well and humans also enjoy competing against AI. Also chess sucks. Clearly not if there are restrictions in whether AI can compete with humans. Why bother separating by species if you think gender leagues are uncompetitive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:51 PM
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Because sports are about profit and entertainment, having more categories are really there because people want to watch them and finance them. There's certainly no practical "need" to find the fastest runner or whatever in the first place. If you didn't have weight classes, there just wouldn't be any lightweights who could compete and you'd lose that audience. The best Chess players lose to AI, but nobody finds that meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:57 PM
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Competition is what's fun to watch and pursue. The best chess players cannot beat Chess AIs, why should we limit the competitors to just humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:44 PM
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Ummm NY Philharmonic was an exception then because blind auditions have overall led to more women representation. https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.90.4.715
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:40 PM
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Women actually outperform men in some shooting competitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:33 PM
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Ummm the point of sports is to have fair competition. If people do have genetic advantages then it makes sense to separate them. Otherwise like would you really have no weight classes in boxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:30 PM
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You're shifting goalposts then, it seems hypergamy isn't as universal as you say if you need qualifiers? A lot of it sounds like ex post facto reasoning when there's evidence that doesn't fit your worldview. How do you explain meerkats and hyenas then with strong female intrasexual competition as well? Certainly hyenas do not have a good time at all bearing young. Or Eclectus parrots having more brightly colored females and females primary young raiser. And the whole idea of genetic determinism …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:29 PM
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Then most women necessarily can't be with their first choice either if women are indeed more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:08 PM
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Why are members of a species who have more parental burden more selective? That's just not true. You have seahorses and cassowaries with heavy male parental investment still have intra male mate competition. Or you have clownfish who all start male, with males competing to become the dominant female and her new chosen mate being the one with the majority of parental investment. Or virgin queen ants/bees who mate multiple times and are not at all selective, and males ants only mating once before …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:50 PM
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It's more children were an economic necessity, especially for women, so remaining a spinster was not really a feasible choice. Therefore women were forced to get with someone to make a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:19 PM
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It's more in those patriarchal societies women had to get married to someone rather than feasibly making an idependent living. It's the same as saying "Well women worked too!", sure but their work wasn't respected nor compensated well at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:58 PM
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Women successfully reproducing more doesn't necessarily mean they had more access to mates on its own. Could just be men died at disproportionally higher rates in the past before being able to reproduce or the "sharing" of men was coerced.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:54 PM
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The majority of people end up in relationships. And I was talking about animal behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:49 PM
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I mean sure, but neither are the weakest females reproducing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:41 PM
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Females in every species are the choosers, unless it’s forced. When you start getting into animal behavior, you can find many exceptions. Many species are mutually competitive for mates. Cassowaries for example will sometimes even get violent over access to males and engage in threat displays. Virgin queen bees will kill each other to prevent their competition from leaving on mating flights. Male clownfish will compete to become the dominant female which you could argue is male selection... You …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:18 PM
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It seems like a conclusion should be that evopsych is nonsensical?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:02 PM
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To me it makes sense to avoid STDs/accidents before you become committed/tested. It seems to me to be in everyone's interest to wear one prior to that point so idk why there's often people who want to forego one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:01 PM
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I wonder that all the time too. Same for like salary idk anyone who goes around asking about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:49 PM
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Less and less these days and obviously you can't expect anything different if one parent is SAH. You have to compensate them tor opportunity cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:43 PM
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Same, I default pay for what I order when I'm with a stranger. With friends, we like to trade off who pays, worrying about a few dollars is just nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:42 PM
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That's only situations where your father makes way more than your mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:56 PM
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This is gross, would you use this same logic for promiscuous men? Also do you not understand that some men are more attractive thsn others?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:49 PM
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Likewise the same women who expect equal relationships without gender roles are not the ones insisting the man pays for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:47 PM
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It depends how you even define "status". You can find many examples of women dating people who make about as much as they do or less. If "status" encompasses like every social trait and holistic picture of a person, then sure that can be attractive but doesn't say much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:29 PM
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Yea lol, most really good looking guys who are successful with women are kind people in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:24 PM
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Then why the generalizations across all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:47 PM
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Many women convince themselves that their value is intrinsic, but deep down, they fear that much of their worth has been tethered to their youth and physical attractiveness, a currency that fades faster than they want to admit. I can agree RP believes this and to some extent there is a lot more pressure on women to look good/take time for their appearance. I wouldn't agree it fades fast considering plenty of people in their 30s and 40s look great. Margot Robbie is 34. The anger older women feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:46 PM
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Uhhh poor people end up in relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:24 PM
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Gap between college and non college educated workers is increasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:20 PM
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I totally agree this is a more helpful thing to work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:20 PM
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Reds are considered feminine colors in other cultures, China for example. And I was talking about pink, which was considered masculine. Why split along genres and not video games overall?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:16 PM
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It shows that preferences change, you can't seriously cherry pick examples of male dominant fields or hobbies and ignore when gender expressions that have changed. Look at how blue vs pink association with boys and girls have flipped since the 30s. As for video games, what about the fact that it began male dominated hobby and now is closer to 50/50? Pointing to things that happen to not be 50/50 and then concluding "There fundamentally must be differences between genders based on biology" is ex …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:10 PM
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How is that relevant? Of course laws and legal definitions can be flawed. I'm arguing against the idea that "If a fetus is never a person and can always ethically be exterminated, it is not worth mourning, and any sadness is entirely irrational." People certainly legitimately mourn non-persons therefore just because people mourn fetuses doesn't make them persons. To me, treating fetuses as people is legally unworkable for many reasons, like HOV lane access, or claiming dependents when pregnant o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:58 PM
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Then communicate that you don't want to on your date or before. Some men do like paying and playing into gender roles. Nobody can read your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:54 PM
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Because that has significant negative externalities in encouraging people to be harvesting organs of others or coercing them illegally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:52 PM
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That's covered by the fact that the cost of meth use has a ton of externalities that society wants to limit which is not true for abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:01 AM
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In that case why generalize about individuals? Minute differences can result in major genuine differences in individual behaviors or preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:24 AM
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I believe in decriminalization of use. Treat addiction like a illness and punish distribution. Addicts however are a danger to themselves and others to feed addictions so you'd probably would have a medical intervention in those scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:15 AM
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Ofc not, but the GOP don't actually care about reducing abortions, otherwise they'd support policies that help kids!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:12 AM
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How come closely related animals can behave very differently then? For example, our closest relatives, chimps and bonobos certainly behave incredibly differently. Yet they are more genetically related to each other than to us. How can you conclude their genes are essential?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:09 AM
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There have been cases of men on the hook for child support when they were statutorily raped. Obviously in my eyes, this is wrong, minors cannot consent. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/09/02/arizona-statutory-rape-victim-forced-pay-child-support/14951737/ Most rapists of any gender never see prison. It's difficult to prove and they often get away with minor consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:07 AM
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Consenting to sex should not mean consenting to have a child. Somebody who lies about having a vasectomy should be treated as stealthing (so SA), but I don't think that situation would preclude paper abortions. What about the opposite situation where the mother has SA the father or tampered with birth control? Certainly it doesn't really make sense ethically to make the father responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:03 AM
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Legal personhood isn't predicated on emotions. People mourn the loss of pets or roombas, and those aren't persons. But like obviously people are very upset when pets die.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:55 AM
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What cases do you think supporters of abortion are against bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:53 AM
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The same people arguing against abortions are for criminalizing drug offenses too. And the people supporting abortion access are almost always for treating drug addiction as a medical condition too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:52 AM
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It's so bizarre to me but I got the same reaction 😒. If you're both agreeing to spend a few hours of time together, getting upset over an extra 30$ or less is so silly. I seriously wonder how those people will ever be able to handle major disagreements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:50 AM
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I must have not gotten the memo since I genuinely do not care about this. It's beyond silly to me to care about 20-30$ if I've already agreed to spend a few hours with someone. Maybe if it was a case of "I can pick guys who will pay for me" but that was just me when that parent's money was significant in high school 🤣 I wouldn't agree it's exploitive if you choose to accept those terms, but frankly if somebody was upset about paying for their half, I probably wouldn't want to date them anymore e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:42 AM
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I've always felt weirded out by fiction where human like AI are persecuted and there isn't a major human sympathizer faction considering that people bond and insist their Roombas get repaired rather than take a free replacement. And these AIs are indistinguishable from humans just from looking 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:58 PM
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I would agree paper abortion is not rooted in bodily autonomy but more so fairness in how we treat people. Consenting to sex is not consenting to be responsible for a child and I feel like ideally that would be true for men too. At the very least cases of SA or sperm theft is pretty indefensible imo to have the father responsible, nor is it defensible to force women to get an abortion. We cannot really entertain paper abortions however while women are not allowed access to actual abortions howev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:47 PM
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What about the fact that computer engineering used to be a female dominated field and now is male dominated? Or how Chemical Engineering has had significantly more women in it over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:38 PM
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Primitive man prior to agriculture was a lot more egalitarian. You certainly had female hunters for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:34 PM
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How do you account for the myriad numbers of cultures worldwide with very different beliefs and behaviors despite the fact that humans are genetically almost identical? How come genetics can't even predict animal behavior yet you think it's essential to human behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:33 PM
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Nobody argues that are no differences between men and women as a matter of biology. Just that those differences are small and minute enough compared to socialization that there's no sense in making laws or enforcing traditional gender roles. Men can be excellent nurses or elementary school teachers. Women can be great engineers or mathmeticians. There's no major barrier as a function of biology to overcome here. You can see how quickly some fields have significant female accomplishments shortly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:32 PM
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Oh sorry 🙈
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:21 PM
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I don't agree with the idea that men should have to be providers since that's a bit outdated in the US. And in many European countries, the expectation and norm is split bills. But the vast majority of times, women are not demanding men pay for them on a date, most men just pay for it without complaining or saying anything otherwise. That's not women's fault, I don't mind splitting and if I'm agreeing to meet with you for a few hours, the last thing I care about is a free 20-30$ extra.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:17 PM
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Why wouldn't you want to communicate this? Presumably you wouldn't want to be with someone who doesn't want to split right? Of course I value clear communication, if we're incompatible, it's best to find that out sooner. That doesn't mean I want to be with incompatible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:07 PM
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Dude, I never see guys push back on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:04 PM
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How is she a gold digger for wanting to pay for herself? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:03 PM
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I have never seen self proclaimed supposed feminists claiming to be entirely against paying for half. And the vast majority of dates, the guy just pays for it without saying anything otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:02 PM
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I think it's baseless, how would you even know unless the logistics are discussed beforehand? I by default assume spliting but I go along with whatever my date wants and usually that's been him paying. I really do not care either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:55 PM
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You must be delusional if you're legitimately arguing you can easily beat someone who's going to shoot you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:24 PM
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I would be surprised, but like as long as the kid wasn't due to him cheating, and he was unaware of it (not a deadbeat); I wouldn't really be angry with him about it since there's not much he could have done without knowing. Going forward if we're serious and committed and child is proven to be his, I'd support him in his responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:02 PM
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Uhhhh what? You do know in the states, it's often easy for anyone to purchase guns which make physical differences pretty meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:48 PM
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I don't get what's so hard for you to get. It's an outdated social norm, it's a gendered expectation that straight up should not be an expectation, it disadvantages men directly, and how is one supposed to "be upfront that you won't pay for her." without sounding like a complete asshole and alienating even women who would be willing to pay? You are essentially forced to either go along with this anachronistic courtship nonsense and lose more money just to be able to date OR be a jerk to prospect…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:44 PM
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Yea I feel like this issue is just not a big deal once you get out of these forums. It's like nonsensical thing to be concerned about. I don't think less of people who want to split nor do I really think more of people who want to pay. Sometimes I've paid for both of us. It's always people fighting windmills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:40 PM
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I have, it doesn't matter to me at all. I've also paid for my date before too when the other person's a lot poorer than me. In committed relationships, we just pay for each other and don't really count but I'd guess it's roughly 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:36 PM
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Just communicate your intentions. Do yall just not know how to use words? "What you think about going to <insert date place here>? If it's alright with you, let's just order what we want and split?" Yea, some women will not appreciate that and think less of you... but presumably you also don't want to date them too right? I don't pretend to be someone I'm not to potential partners, since long term that would just make ME unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:33 PM
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You know I consider myself a woke feminist and I have never wanted to feel like a victim...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:30 PM
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Also men complaining about paying for dates is merely because how hypocritical it is for women to say their equal to men even though they want to be treated like a princess It's very rare that you see people both be feminist and completely against paying for their half. Because like yea that's hypocritical. I feel like this is just a straw men in most people's minds. Obviously you'd treat your partners differently than strangers/friends. But sure, most gay men treat their partners well so not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:28 PM
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Then don't complain about paying for your partner!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:25 PM
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The bears that you are most likely to run into are also very likely to scared of humans. Since the bears that weren't are aggressively culled or relocated. Majority of people are not living anywhere near a polar bear. Perhaps there ought to be less normalization for men who are predators too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:10 PM
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Yea, these people are always so delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:09 PM
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It's endlessly frustrating how actual disadvantaged men get treated so terribly by other men especially when it comes to criminal justice or immigration like you point out. And then amusing when people who are bitter about not being able to get a date then expect solidarity from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:05 PM
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It's endlessly frustrating how actual disadvantaged men get treated so terribly by other men especially when it comes to criminal justice or immigration like you point out. And then amusing when people who are bitter about not being able to get a date then expect solidarity from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:05 PM
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This is only true if you count giving to churches as charitable donations. Which you really shouldn't unless prove they aren't the white evangelist types.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:02 PM
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Sure, I compliment guys I talk to all the time without romantic intent. I don't compliment strangers since that's just weird to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:39 PM
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The key with me is early on, I just don't dress up more than I normally do for work so jeans, flannel shirt, flats. If we can't have conversations or activities I enjoy, then that's just not worth pursuing any further. Not looking to be married just to be married after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:18 PM
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But like why? To me it doesn't make sense for men to still be expected to be providers so the norm for men to pay for dates also logically doesn't make sense either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:25 PM
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In many European countries, its the norm for splitting dates 50-50. I really wouldn't mind either way and just go along with whatever my date suggestd, since I don't think whether you pay 20-30$ or not really says anything, certainly not to the extent that I wouldn't date at all. If it's a big deal, then communicate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:13 PM
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STD rates do not support an only 20% of men are getting laid scenario. The 1989 study was still involving modern day people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:12 PM
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In my personal experience, men certainly can be kind and capable and emotional. But always the rudest DMs/interactions are from men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 11:40 PM
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I mean men started wars for significantly worse reasons so I'm not sure that's something to be proud of. And like I definitely would rather be building monuments than being fought over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 11:17 PM
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It's mostly men making up strawmen or fighting windmills or not understanding how most men end up paying for dates. Women are never the ones demanding men pay, it's often men insisting on doing so which has been the majority of my dates. If men are upset about that, the solution is to communicate those intentions beforehand, I personally have no issue paying my half but blaming feminists for what men choose to do or not do is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 11:10 PM
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If it's not measurable or reproducible, then it's junk. When we can empirically say this set of genes predisposes you to feel attracted to these traits, then genetic essentialism may have merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 11:04 PM
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I guess the obvious counterargument to this is "Why do most people still end up in relationships/marriages?" And why is there not a divergence in STD rates if all the women are sleeping with a few men? You insist these trends have been true forever, but there's no way you tracked the breath of historical cultures to find out their ideal waist hip ratio lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:58 PM
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The essentialist argument is always so irritating 😔.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:30 PM
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Come on, it's not a pick me to be doing that 😒. There's nothing that says that men have to be the ones that pursue, and we wouldn't accept that logic anywhere else (like job promotions).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:22 PM
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I've almost always had the guy premptively insist on paying the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:22 PM
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If enough men did it, then women would have to accept it as the norm or remain single.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:20 PM
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Usually people who post these topics do fit that demographic...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:19 PM
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The majority of apparently very desirable conservative girls do not want 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:15 PM
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Yea fr, it's always people fighting windmills here when the obvious answer is communicate beforehand and don't date people who don't want to split.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:14 PM
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I would disagree here, courtship rituals are not a function of biology. Or you would never see women propositioning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:12 PM
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I would agree with this, it also looks really bad imo if you're insisting person you just met pay for you 🙈.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:06 PM
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Paying for a date =/= being a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:01 PM
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Yea, this always just feels like dumbest thing to be upset over 😮‍💨 no matter how it's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 10:00 PM
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This to me is always such a nothing burger that I wonder is if men just never speak up and then feel upset. I by default will cover what I order or my half, but usually I've had my date insist on paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:58 PM
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Sounds like an easy way to be miserable then! If you're too insecure to understand that those previous partners are exes for a reason and not current partners, then you're probably not the most rational thinker elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:40 PM
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I don't see this as evidence that men are disadvantaged then. If you make more, you ought to pay more in taxes, otherwise like it's unworkable, you literally could not pay as much as Elon in absolute terms. What would be privilege is if men pay a higher % of tax given the same earnings. And obviously living longer isn't really something that the government or society really controls.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:02 PM
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I don't think the New Zealand study is relevant for the US and it needs to account for women living longer and men making more. Obviously you cannot have a SAHM and her husband paying equal taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:00 PM
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I don't think that represents the views of everyone. You have feminists arguing for women to be drafted and in favor of paper abortions. The only gender essentialist feminists I can think of are TERFs and at this point, many of them are funded by conservative groups and ofc most others disagree witht them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 02:58 PM
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I would never pretend to like someone to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:58 PM
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Definitely need more female representation in financial grifts and reckless gambling too 🙈.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:05 AM
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You do realize that often the abuser is coercing that sort of behavior through further mistreatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:00 AM
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Of course I'd side with my son. He had 0 to gain from attacking a random person. What is this hypothetical supposed to show? Parents I don't think can be objective about their kids. Likely I would think the man is abusively coercing his spouse in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:54 PM
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I mean... I file him like Tetsuya Yamagami who assassinated Shinzo Abe to bring to light the abuses of a cult. And yea said CEO ran a company who was notoriously bad for denials even in the insurance agency. And he was on his way to an investor's meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:22 PM
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I didn't see any sympathy for the CEO even in my very conservative, traditional sphere. "I hope he gets away with it" is the sentiment. Literally the guy's wife (who he lives separately from) wasn't all too concerned with "Well he had plenty of enemies" like it was only a matter of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:15 PM
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Rich Dad Poor Dad author is a major scammer and MLM/Crypto/Real Estate gambler. I'd take a look at "Lords of Finance" for a better book about how the economy works conceptually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:04 PM
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Just look at spinning plates lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:58 PM
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The vast majority of people do not engage in polyamory despite the decline of religion. And in some populations that's pushed them even closer to monogamy (mormons for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:54 PM
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I can't control what other people do? Like if somebody wants a trad relationship, all the more power to them. For dating specifically my experience has been men often insist on paying. I already agree it would be hypocritical to want equality and expect men to pay all the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:45 PM
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I mean being feminine has never been well defined since society catered to men for centuries. It's mainly just includes everything that is "not masculine".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:41 PM
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Society doesn't tell us X. Our society is structured from our biology. Our culture is based on our biology. Then what explains the myriad different cultures worldwide? Genetically people are not that different at all. Western culture is certainly not the only culture out there. Genetic essentialism is ridiculous because we can't even use it to predict animal behavior but you think you can for humans? You can consider chimps and bonobos, our closest relatives. They are more related to each other …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:32 PM
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You should do hobbies because they are meaningful to you, not because you care what women think of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:26 PM
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Safe to assume you’re referring to female representation in games and film? Producers and creators realized how much of their revenue comes from female players and female audience members. They made an adjustment towards inclusivity because it benefits them financially. If it hurts your feeling that there are fewer hard nipples and wet t-shirts in film and games, go cry about it. Yea it's crazy video games are considered a male only hobby in those circles still when half of gamers are women...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:24 PM
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Traditional gender norms in a large part don't make sense to still keep today. But traditions have a lot of inertia and this harms both men and women. This is what feminists recognize and any advocate for social change in general recognizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:21 PM
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It really depends on the reason for it. If somebody lives with their parents because they are perennially unemployed with no ambitions/capability, then I'd feel we wouldn't be be compatible. But like if they moved back in to help their parents out or to save money then I don't really mind; where my parents immigrated from, this is expected even. It's kind of like if they are capable of functioning as an independent adult. The person I dated who was living with parents in his mid 20s was quite st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:12 PM
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Well that's why there's more and more women who are deciding the juice isn't worth the squeeze and choosing to remain single... My cats are more rational than this!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:04 PM
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I've worked in oil and gas and chemical plants... honestly they are less safe for women due to a lot of PPE being designed for men. But come on, you choose to do the job and get paid for the assumed risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:01 PM
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College degrees aren't handed to anyone lol. Vast majority of people I know worked hard to get their degrees. And the one friend I can think of who didn't was just naturally brilliant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:59 PM
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I mean yea men shouldn't be expected to provide, it's kind of silly expectation today.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:53 PM
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I definitely am against the idea of forcing men into patriarchal gender roles or having the norm for that, it's harmful for everyone. But how is the tax system uneven and schools unfair? The family court system I believe in many states is now assuming 50/50 custody as a default which I think is a step in the right direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:51 PM
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For me I'd take out "Old World Chivalry" and "capable of violence" as traits that I don't particularly care for either way. If the former is just performative, I'd be happy to play along but like I probably would like it more if he was just equally kind to everyone and not just for women. As for violence uhhh, I mean I wouldn't really want him to be risking his safety in those situations given any other option. That just sounds silly but since you mentioned it's a last resort kind of thing, I gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:39 PM
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I mean we all have things we compromise for relationships. Like it would be unrealistic for me to expect me to be better than my partner's exes in every single way but like there's a reason those people are exes and not current partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:08 PM
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If she is unwilling to do something and it does not matter how much she likes somebody, then becomes a law of the universe versus something that is changeable, and then it’s up to me to evaluate how much I care about that standard How do you know her standards overall hasn't changed compared to previously? Like why worry about whether she's actually not putting in effort on you or just wants to put in less effort for anyone? Lots of men are the same way in willingness to do crazy/risky things wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:00 PM
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Yep, it just seems like such a nothing burger any way you deal with it. I've also paid for my date too when I was meeting with an exploited grad student when I was working.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:54 PM
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This just seems to make men seem even more irrational... And like at that point it would be, well I want a man who doesn't think like that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:45 PM
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You can do that but it's pretty unnecessarily high standards and insecurity imo. How do you know she's just not willing to put in that effort for anyone going forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:44 PM
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I've pursued long time friends who I did develop feelings for and been rejected, this isn't how these things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:04 PM
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Uhhh you do realize it's always been GOP (and conservatives) trying to block Dems adding women to the selective service? https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5025205-senate-republicans-oppose-women-selective-service-system/ https://rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-registering-women-for-draft/ https://fox59.com/news/national-world/firestorm-erupts-over-provision-requiring-women-to-sign-up-for-military-draft/ Russ Vought, who was President Donald Trump’s director of the Office of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:58 PM
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You are desperate to marry and you need to finally give a chance to emotionally intelligent guy with good personality where your attraction will grow on him. You can get this guy in a month if previously aforementioned standards get lowered. ITS GUARANTEED. Imagine having this kind of power at your disposal, if you only arent as picky? Lol no, this isn't possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:51 PM
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These aren't contradictory though. People can have whatever standards they want and certainly possible for both sides to feel the other aren't matching up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:45 PM
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I can agree with this, it really kind of sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:41 PM
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Yea, there's really no gold to dig for the majority of men. Like if you're going to make that your job, the guy literally has to be making twice as much as you can for it to be worth your while and you need to get commitment... Paying for dinner/dates is just so meaningless, I by default go to pay for half since I don't want to feel obligated to anything and the majority of the time it's the guy insisting on paying. Agreed on communication would be a way to handle it as well
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:30 PM
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I’ve had experiences where a woman was willing to drive two hours for an ex, but not for me. Yes she said she liked me the same, but her actions didn’t say that. I don’t think men in general are upset that their girlfriends aren’t forcing themselves to do stuff, I think it’s more they are upset if their girlfriend did something that she enjoyed or was neutral for a previous partner and not for them. The issue is I would have been equally upset/understanding if said person also wasn't willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:23 PM
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The vast majority of women do not value being able to have random sex with guys she's not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:02 PM
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And yet the majority of men do get in relationships...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:00 PM
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Then the rational incentive would be for women to be financially independent and delay having kids until then. You can't decry government intervention and policy to make having kids more attractive and then not want to deal with the consequences of that. And if you're arguing we need to have government policies to take away rights from women so they don't have the option to feasibly remain single, then that's just hypocritical. In the past you had men just able to get people pregnant and then ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:59 PM
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Yep, its too dumb especially since I thought it was them insisting that college and higher education was a scam in the first place...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:47 PM
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It really depends on what someone is caring about and I find it's a lot easier to understand what women typically care about in their partner's background than what men do. Like to me, it makes perfect sense to care about whether your partner was abusive or was always cheating in previous relationships because that to me is an indicator of what he is likely to do for you. Or if your partner has a ton of kids because then he might be a deadbeat. What men often get hung up about is if their partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:39 PM
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Feminism preaches equality and having a choice. People are free to play into traditional gender roles if they want to...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:11 PM
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I know right!? This whole deal sounds awful anyways...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:09 PM
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Really depends on the individual. And there's often conflicting messaging about what women should want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:05 PM
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Well most men historically just don't really get that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:22 PM
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Childfree doesn't even mean unmarried or single...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:10 PM
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The government just ensures people have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:02 PM
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What about if there's no kids involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:17 PM
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"Incel" has been coopted to refer to the toxic mentality of blaming women/society for their lack of romantic success. The term was originally used by women to describe their own loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:22 PM
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It's a reference to that one poem "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner". The main character shoots an albatross who had helped the crew navigate out of dangerous conditions. Then he's forced to wear it around his neck as symbol of guilt and being burdened down. So now its just used as inconvenient ties to something you regret.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:17 PM
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Lol, no. Very few people avidly hate men and those people just try to avoid men. You don't really see the "I hate men but still need to be with them" kind of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:51 PM
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I mean clearly there are plenty of TwoX posters who also disagree with OP. Boyfriend should have just gone in to grab help rather than just stand around though, I would be annoyed at him literally doing nothing and being another useless bystander. But physically confronting someone who's like that is dangerous for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:49 PM
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I mostly agree with you that women should be drafted if one is needed, I still men have the advantage on the front. Being a pilot or drone pilot sure. Yes, there absolutely is. Ukraine is having a manpower shortage and they're literally losing massive swarthes of their country to russia. Drafting women allows a country to effectively double it's fighting forces Ukraine has stated that they don't want canon fodder even internationally, people who are forced to fight like that are pretty much just…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:23 PM
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Idk where youre getting this idea that men cant be happy alone, or that we have no purpose other that serving our women, but its wrong. I would agree this is true, but most men in the manosphere would say it's an uncontrollable biological drive to have kids and start a family for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:54 PM
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The vice versa is geniuinely also true for men... but men are just very unhappy and insecure about being single for some reason. People insist it's because men can't control their overwhelming biological drive to have kids and start a family 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:52 PM
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French kings had official mistress positions in their courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:48 PM
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That's why they want to get rid of no fault divorce and end child support lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:47 PM
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I would agree if you want to do this, you need to be more selective and need commitment a lot sooner to make this work. You don't want to be living in an unofficial partnership doing this and then your partner leaves you without you being entitled to shared assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:43 PM
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I don't really see the incentive, you'd have to be aiming for men who make at least double what you could just to break even. And no, very few people want kids from a previous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:40 PM
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A person after a divorce can still get another partner as well, not to mention a worker fired/laid off near their retirement age can have difficulty finding new gainful employment. But as you love to talk about, once we hit the "Wall" with kids, we're a lot less desirable to the very successful men and that's a lot younger than retirement age. It's a lot riskier plan for relative independence. Plus literally you'd have to rely on the guy's employer as well so I fail to see how that's less risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:29 PM
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Uhh there's a lot less conflict of interest when it comes to institutions vs your partner. And if my company goes bankrupt or decides to lay me off, at least will still have a skillset useful for another company. As yall love to point out, if my husband leaves me to run off with a younger woman, I'd just be very unhappy as a single mom with only SAH experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:18 PM
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For online dating definitely, there's not much else to judge besides photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:56 PM
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If you want traditional relationship, then all the more power to you. If the man is also on the same page then it can certainly work out. I'd prefer a more equal partnership and would not want to be in a situation where my partner could leave me and screw me over financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:08 PM
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Also women do not date women. Uhhh lesbians and bisexual women do exist
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:45 PM
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Obviously nobody should just marry with the first partner they get, but dating should be done with the intention of finding a compatible partner to have a happy life with, not just having fun for as long as possible. Why not? Some people enjoy living this way. I mean just look at Leonardo DiCaprio.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:44 PM
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Women are much more likely to be seriously injured or harmed by a known person rather than a random stranger. Random acts of violence are fairly rare if you aren't in a high risk lifestyle like being in a gang.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:41 PM
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I wouldn't want my partner to be doing dangerous work, would just hire a professional to do that or find a safe alternative. And for the vanishingly small chance of self defense vs a stranger, then I'd certainly not want him to be risking his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:39 PM
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This is silly, if I'm with a partner close enough that we are living together, I would consider my time to be of equal value to theirs, otherwise why would I even want to be sharing my life with them? Especially if the difference in earning is due to differing fields. If we're married, then literally he'd be entitled to half of what I make anyways so it's kind of meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:36 PM
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Why do men cheat more often then? Especially among young people when the cheating rates are similar but apparently young women have drastically more opportunities to. Young men must be taking nearly every opportunity to cheat if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:32 PM
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I feel like most people are like this which is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:30 PM
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That does suck too! But I'm not sure how you can say which one is worse? I don't mind times when I get no advances at all and the times where you get unwanted advances from people who don't take a hint are very irritating/concerning. I'm not dismissing it as something that can be harmful, but it's not like women have it strictly better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:27 PM
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Since folks like that won't change their minds, then yea I can only control whether I continue to date/interact with them. And that's a resounding no from me. Nobody has time to deal with someone who believes women are inherently bad when there are plenty of men who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:13 PM
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Except those things are just not true or used in a way that's entirely out of context (dark Triad traits having overlap with confidence and extraversion than wanting to be abused). So yea, if somebody does believe in those things, I would recommend women stay away from them, it's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:02 PM
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I mean men have much less to worry about from being seriously injured by a partner. They also usually don't have to worry about dealing with unwanted advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:46 PM
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I mean RP specifically advocates for spinning plates and not pursuing marriage... And there are plenty of very famous and successful men who didn't have kids. Literally the Father of the country George Washington didn't and even worse he'd be considered a "Beta Bux" for raising kids that were not his own lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:39 PM
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You’re admitting they have universally accepted beliefs yet people are unsafe, delusional, and extreme if they believe universally accepted beliefs? The problematic RP beliefs are not the universally held ones. But if you remove them, you won't really recognize it as RP anymore either. Like how can you be RP without believing in gender essentialism, hypergamy, AWALT, gynocentric society, women liking dark triad traits or a few men monopolizing all the delusional women? Believing that women appre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:34 PM
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Well it's a direct contradiction of biological instincts being a primary motivator for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:29 PM
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They did succeed in getting lots of dudes to give their money to grifters or become alt right. Or become black pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:24 PM
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None of those are essential RP beliefs. Manosphere would be against DEI because of a belief that society is in truth gynocentric and hostile towards men and like yea that's pretty awful and delusional. That's much different than being against race/gender based DEI because we should try to use other metrics to identify and help disadvantaged people. "Women having it easier" in dating is very subjective and not on the sidebar as unique to RP or manosphere, men and women face different challenges i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:20 PM
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Ummm I would wonder how I didn't catch their beliefs beforehand because just believing in RP is a fairly extreme fringe to me. And yea I would probably try to find out how deeply these beliefs are held and if they are, then I would want to avoid them for my own good. Those people aren't safe to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:07 PM
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You can always find fringe crowds who say the most outrageous things. And sure inauthentic people do exist. But I doubt these people exist in any significant number or affect people's lives enough to be radicalizing anyone that wouldn't already be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:01 PM
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In my mind... if there's any type of man that it would make sense to selfishly police, it would be hypothetical chads monopolizing all the women and never settling down. Not the supposed "white knights" who are never successful anyways??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:57 PM
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I think the bias does exist to some extent. You can see it reflected in the disparity of how men and women are sentenced for similar crimes. But that belief/bias is also not good for anyone to hold, it puts women on a pedestal and sets them up with unfair expectations and gets in the way of examining facts of matters. Same as any other "positive" stereotype of groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:45 PM
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The trad cons fighting over who can be more pickme and sniping each other's appearance or behavior is some of the most pointlessly toxic things I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:31 PM
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"For the economy" and "egg too expensive" make absolutely no sense as complaints about the Biden admin. Especially when the opposition wants to solve the issues of high food prices by... imposing tariffs (sales tax) and deporting migrant farm workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:29 PM
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Why do you always assume they are in bad faith? Literally policing people who show empathy and understanding and then you wonder why nobody pays you compliments or why only anger is the only acceptable emotion 🙄. Most male feminists/allies I've talked to do have partners and genuinely want to make things better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:26 PM
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Women are more neurotic although can't really tell from here. But yes, everyone has their problems. Men react in very poor ways though like becoming bitter and resentful and checking out of society or wanting to make other people suffer. Women tend to become unhealthily self sacrificing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:09 PM
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Exactly!! The way RP men describe other men is like more misandric than anything else I've seen. Can't control aggression due to T, can't feel happy without following biological drive to have kids, see nothing good in society without women's' approval, and can't even be bothered to help each other...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:57 PM
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I don't believe it will be used, like <1% chance. But in the case it is, women should also share responsibility. It's performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:45 PM
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I like light to long stubble with a moustache that's neatly maintained as an ideal (no stray hair or inconsistent lengths). I just think it looks really good and takes effort to maintain. Clean shaven's a lot better to me than long beards which I associate with religion or messy beards. Same kind of goes with chest hair, some but too much is worse for me than clean shaven... Sorry there will probably be no consensus here...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:45 PM
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There are plenty of people arguing that it's entirely looks for men! I personally don't find high paying jobs or status a physical turn on. It's kind of bizarre but it seems much more likely everyone is different than generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:32 PM
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Literally George Washington never had any biological kids... Hard to argue that America is founded on this idea of everyone owing kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:08 PM
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There are plenty of laws that are still on the books with no real push to change since they haven't been enforced or used. You don't get to act as if this is something men graciously do for women... especially when Dems are the ones wanting to include women in Selective Service and opposed by the GOP which yall wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:35 PM
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FYI, the statistics of the titanic disaster are as follow: Titanic was an exception, overall men and crew especially survived shipwrecks at greater rates than women and children. Makes sense since crew know where the lifeboats are, knowledge is power and all. Plus it's kind of strange thing to argue on since feminists were the ones arguing that there should be enough lifeboats for everyone in a naval disaster... Obviously children are different than adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:33 PM
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Especially any arguments based on animal behavior quickly breaks down.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:01 PM
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Well then certainly women also have obligations. What obligations do you think men have in I presume the US that women don't? If it's "Selective Service" then I have 0 sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:58 PM
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You could argue a lot of toxic traits that are measurable are considered mental illnesses. Eating disorders is another one that women suffer from more... but also would be considered a mental illness. I guess intragender policing of make up? Men are clueless about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:52 PM
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Lol she pumped and dumped all these guys right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:51 PM
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I mean the solution would just be to stop expecting women to also handle domestic work if they are working full time. Standards for men I believe have increased since well, women aren't just pressed to have a relationship in order to have a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:51 PM
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However the majority or women clearly disagree with this as they continue to vote for governments that support conscription, so maybe they also believe that women have a duty to have children as well. Where? The US has a volunteer only military and no one's really interested in changing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:10 PM
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Men don't have obligations to have kids, nobody considers punishing men for not having kids, neither should women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:03 PM
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You don't need to maintain a specific population though. Society can definitely afford fewer people without much deleterious effects. Would in fact help with concerns like climate change.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:01 PM
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I think she had each guy for like for 2-5 mins.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:44 PM
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Yea fr, they always slut shame but I mean if there weren't promiscuous women, who would be sleeping with all the promiscuous men??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:42 PM
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This isn't a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:35 PM
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Definitely not for many obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:33 PM
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Uhhh autoimmune diseases are much more common in women than men. If you eliminate mental health conditions it gets rid of a lot of issues women suffer from disproportionally that are harmful to others. Like Munchausen syndrome by proxy is very rare but much more common in women and is child abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:32 PM
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Any studies that challenge my worldview needs to be thrown out!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:20 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:43 PM
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Is the argument really that people need to be prevented from doing risky behavior voluntarily that only potentially harms themselves? You do know men do a TON more irrationally risky things for entertainment, are you arguing they should have their freedom restricted?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:27 PM
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I'd probably blame myself over him for him turning out that way, but like would logically recognize he would need to be prevented from harming others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:19 PM
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What's the point of calling it love then when it doesn't change how you would act? Like if you would leave abusive partners, I would consider that falling out of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:13 PM
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Evo psych nonsense is dumb when you consider many successful and famous people historically didn't have kids. But would agree on conditionality of love for your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:12 PM
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Lol, in that case if it changes nothing how I'd act, idk what's even the point of calling it love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:10 PM
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Why would you even want to lie about this? Like why would you even want to be with someone who doesn't respect what you do? It's just bizarre. I have never seen male teachers or nurses single involuntarily. Imagine you get together with someone lying about being an OF model or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:28 PM
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That is emotionally abusive/controlling... Like you certainly shouldn't be trying to get with other people while in a relationship but you also shouldn't tolerate your partner cutting you off from friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:55 PM
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Definitely agree although it can be hard to tell once you're in a relationship. It's an ideal to work towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:50 PM
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I don't think you can love romantically without caring for them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:29 PM
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Literally doesn't RP advocate for not being married and spinning plates? Also family doesn't necessarily mean having kids, lots of successful people don't/didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:11 PM
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Yea as if the conversation is only the fault of women. Plus they are the ones wanting to end child support and no fault divorce to make marrying even more unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:29 AM
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Well good luck getting support for that position of only preferentially benefitting married couples when religion is declining even amongst the GOP. And the fact that the upper-middle class that would more likely support the GOP historically and are more often in stable marriages are drifting towards the Dems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:02 AM
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So like feels over facts now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:42 AM
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Leonardo DiCaprio also doesn't. What's the point of any discussion if you just assume every man wants them??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:36 AM
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Pedro Pascal has no kids...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:32 AM
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There are plenty of men who aren't primarily motivated by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:29 AM
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Hey men don't actually want more tax credits because they feel that "welfare queens" will take advantage of them. In reality the conservative position is "there's too few children of the correct race"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:10 AM
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Umm men also benefit from society beyond what women can provide lol. Like even if I can't go on dates/have a partner, I would want society to keep functioning and to have the comforts of modern society provides.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:09 AM
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Why the assumption that everyone will follow the values of their parents? If you adopt and raise kids of your own it has the same political benefit as having kids. My parents were conservative/apolitical, I'm definitely more liberal than they are. And even minor differences in "defection" rates among children cancel out any fertility advantages. We certainly saw in this election that demographics are not destiny with the 30 point swing among hispanic men and 11 point swing among college educated…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:05 AM
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I was considering enlisting as a navy nuclear engineer (scheduled interview and exam with my recruiter) before I graduated, but yea I'd be entirely worthless in combat due to being nearly blind without glasses and similar size.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:40 PM
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This is a dumb scenario. You could argue that the societies that utilize their whole population for the war effort will be more likely to decisively win the war. And then they could dictate the fate of everyone else left. You don't need great physical strength to be a pilot or drone operator. Rome didn't start off with a lot of women but because they were able to fight and take women from others because in those societies, young men were the state's most valuable assets as they led to the acquis…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:31 PM
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Well I mean... we don't draft anyone today anyways. And there are tons of combat roles in the US that are currently just unused and paid to be kept at state of readiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:27 PM
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I mean do you have no reason to fight for your country besides women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:26 PM
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We certainly don't believe we promised anything? I mean the US was clear on self determination when it came to the former Warsaw pact states, we weren't the ones forcing them to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:23 PM
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When did I say that they couldn't and how is this a neckbeard argument? If women want to do combat roles and meet the requirements, they should certainly be allowed to, but there isn't much to gain from conscripting most women for those jobs if we have one. There isn't really much to gain from conscripting men in the US either but if we're talking in countries where that's relevant. The average weight of gear of a soldier on the march is like 102 lbs and women are twice as likely to be injured t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:08 PM
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Then have Israel's mandatory service for all genders... They've been invaded plenty
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:37 PM
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I still think the US system of volunteer only is best. Why would you force support staff to the front line instead of just drafting a lower % of men in the first place? I'm not saying to force women to the front, since yea physical strength is still important for that role. Israel makes a mandatory service model for men and women and its hard to say their system isn't means tested.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:15 PM
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I mean I care about people as a baseline and I certainly care about disadvantaged people and why we need to help them. The angriest men who have nothing better to do besides care what women think about them are not really disadvantaged in any meaningful way. Ukraine's a great example, I feel pretty upset men there aren't allowed to leave the country... but the ones angriest at women being allowed to leave aren't the Ukrainians, it's like privileged Americans complaining about needing to sign up …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:46 PM
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I think it's very important, what other factors would you consider? People tend to get with similar people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:36 PM
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When did anyone say it's the only virtue needed? It's kind of a necessary virtue though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:27 PM
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When did anyone say it's the only virtue needed? It's kind of a necessary virtue though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:27 PM
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Front line combat doesn't really make sense for most women. Men are less likely to be injured just carrying all the gear needed due to the way bodies are. And if you are regularily needing to do a lot of physical tasks, men are just better at that. I don't really think it has anything to do with reproduction capabilities, otherwise infertile or women who refuse to have children would necessarily be even less valuable. And we see civilizations with tons of young men and not many women just solve …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:29 PM
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Why not just US system as the ideal? De facto volunteer only military. If not possible, then Israel of just everyone required to serve regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:21 PM
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Blue as in default narrative for how relationships work. Never heard of pills much, then had some bad experiences with people claiming to be red pill. See number 2 I guess between diff blue pill beliefs I could. If there's empirical evidence for it. I changed my view that women also benefit from being married statistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:06 PM
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It sucks how they immediately jump to "men are being discriminated against" when the norm historically is they just had an unfair advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:03 PM
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More redundancy in logistics roles is also good, the US trains tons of people who don't see any use due to not having a war because it's important for readiness. Same would apply probably even more so in war. A lot of support roles may not be expected to see combat but may still do so. The reason why the US had a push to open up to women in combat roles is often truck drivers such came under attack anyways. For actual front line positions... yea men have the competitive advantage there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:36 PM
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The US never promised they wouldn't expand and even if they did, many Eastern European countries want to be a part of NATO uncoerced. Russia acts entitled to all the Warsaw pact states for no good reason. As long as Ukraine is willing to fight, we should help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:30 PM
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I'm glad you can give your perspective. Do you see resentment in country for women due to the percieved unequal policies? I would agree broadly that if a war requires restricting freedoms, then all citizens should share responsibility. Or decide it's not worth fighting. Definitely would agree that people who really don't want to be on the front line are pretty much just liabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:28 PM
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It's more I want to just focus on making sure their stupidity won't screw me over and keep them out of my life as much as possible. A lot of in swing states voted because their state protects reproductive rights in their state constitution. Which is stupid since the federal government can change that. But like these people just can't think further than that so what's the use of thinking of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:10 PM
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I thought the "non-existant/unavoidable economic issues" would make it clear I think those people are morons. But it wasn't exactly malice against women, just a lot of stupid people. I wish the working class who voted for him the best of luck affording food after tariffs and deporting farm workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:52 PM
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Because if you share similar values/beliefs or you can empathize with each then you will have harmony or at least not insurmountable differences. Valuing harmony over compatibility is how one partner gets taken advantage of, I mean RP constantly advocates for a Win-Lose mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:50 PM
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I do think it's important to have more male teachers for young boys. Some of my most memorable and best teachers in grade school were men (and not coaches, sometimes they clearly did not care).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:48 PM
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I have never heard this advice given but yea, it certainly would be a clear red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:10 PM
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I mean if men were interested about results, they would see the earnings gap between high school and higher education degrees continue to widen... Also believing in RP/Andrew Tate when there's pretty much 0 empirical results of it's success and plenty of evidence that they don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:07 PM
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It's not really a sign of discrimination. Boys underperform in grade school due to lower standards for discipline than girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:05 PM
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Men losing interest in college due to not valuing academics and because of more interest in trades.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:18 PM
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A lot of women are evangelists and besides, the biggest reason was anger at non-existent/unavoidable economic issues and immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:17 PM
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Idk Joi did seem like a real person and probably not much difference between her and K besides that she doesn't have a body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 12:41 AM
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I would have supported a "believe all victims" line to be more inclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:13 PM
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Those feminists would prob identify as RP women lol. I mean they are often funded by conservative organizations and want the same type of things as RP do, just inequality in favor of women with traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:50 PM
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SA and harassment are very common experiences for women though. I don't see why men would be offended if it's so uncommon anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:44 PM
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That's so bizarre and hypocritical. Idk why supposedly good men feel the need to defend clearly bad men or feel alienated when they get called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:41 PM
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Yea if I had to be honest, it's more stupidity than people hating women or minorities, though there certainly was overlap. Half the country believed the markets were in a 50 year low while we were at an ATH.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:28 PM
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Why wouldn't you center SA as an important issue for feminists to tackle?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:26 PM
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I'm not sure why it's not but it doesn't need to be infinitely malleable to stop young men from doing a lot of harmful coping mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:23 PM
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And they won mostly because people didn't feel like voting due to feeling like the economy was bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:20 PM
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I've always thought that language should be like "Believe all victims" when it comes to SA accusations. But I mean yes, it's clear past feminist movements had important male allies, Roe v Wade was passed by 9 men. But I also don't see many women supporting toxic feminists who hate men? Like the toxic feminists I'd identify are TERFs or gender essentialists because idk how you can be funded by Cons, spread Victorian ideas of male superiority, support policies that would mostly harm cis women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:14 PM
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Tradcon is Redpill, they believe in gender/bio essentialism. Blue pill at least would reject that social differences between men and women come from fundamental biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:05 PM
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I mean certainly in the work force and academic accomplishments, women have made a lot of progress in previously male dominated fields. You still have guys saying "Women belong in the household" and that was overwhelmingly the norm earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:00 PM
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The same women looking for relationships majority are not looking for casual dtf situations. Of the ones who are open to both, I have never seen someone less selective for their LTR than casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:57 PM
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You can also be lonely while having a romantic partner too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:54 PM
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Lilith posts at least have some basis in truth and not just delusional stuff like "Why can't women feel love?".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:53 PM
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It's a social problem but one that men should solve differently. We do not need more Andrew Tate "just will yourself to produce more T if you feel like crying"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:52 PM
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Then how come women have changed a lot in recent history despite all the attribution of junk evopsych and essentialism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:50 PM
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Yea honestly a lot of sex workers aren't paid enough for how often they put their lives at risk and the 0 respect they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:49 PM
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So what in the world is the argument that women can't be lonely??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:46 PM
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Of course women do lol. Women also get rejected or pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:44 PM
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You should join a circus. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:29 PM
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In that article, it literally argues that the dominant force is matching compatibility and social influence have a large factor. Relationships based off of people looking for more money or looking for a young beautiful partner don't really last and are not super common.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:25 PM
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Pair bonds are for birds 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:20 PM
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Yea idk how you attract anyone except gold diggers flaunting cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:19 PM
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Idk I make money so I can do the things I want, if men are making money to attract women, that's just dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:16 PM
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I have never heard of that study. The one you linked... in practice making more money would be a very poor use of effort for attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 04:12 PM
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Well what's the empirical evidence for this? That specifically being disagreeable/an asshole is the causation rather than just extraversion or being more confident?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:51 PM
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I mean majority of people get with partners of similar economic class and I feel like a lot of it is a floor where below that it would matter a lot and above it makes little difference. Plus like nobody can know before you share that info anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:50 PM
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Yea, to me it looked you were replying to his comment saying he made 50k/yr in a HCOL city...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:46 PM
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Ofc, the whole women are gold diggers because I have to pay child support crowd 🙈
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:11 PM
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He said it right above?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:09 PM
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I mean all else being equal, why wouldn't you pick someone with more money? Most guys make about the same so it's no real advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:08 PM
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That article still barely showed any impact on attraction like order of magnitude more income for 1.4 more rating/9. And just look at the images, you can barely tell how attractive the vague outlines are...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:07 PM
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The only study I saw was like using vague shapes of guys with some a bit pudgier than others and then assigning a salary to them. Which yea I could barely tell who's more attractive to begin with so I'd probably just be ranking on salary for the most part. And it didn't show a very strong impact of money (order of magnitude difference in income resulted in like 1.4 point higher rating out of 10 compared to control group).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:01 PM
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Money is only important to me as a social proof for good traits to have and it'd be really important to a floor to show the man isn't just financially illiterate gambling on NFTs, or unemployed with no ambitions. But it doesn't affect whether I find him physically attractive and certainly I'd distinguish between earning said money vs being given it via nepotism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 01:55 PM
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Oh come on 50k/yr is not broke nor homeless...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 01:51 PM
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i mean if she's already voluntarily pregnant with someone's kid, $100 is nothing but idk the guy could pay for it as well too since he's wanting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 01:31 PM
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I mean unless you already suspect cheating, this seems very paranoid. I'd be kimda weirded out over the lack of trust if there's 0 evidence or reason to be suspicious. But I wouldn't leave over it, presumably if I wanted the man's child that's a big commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 01:25 PM
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Females in every animal kingdoms are like this. It's instict You can also find plenty of examples of females competing for males. Natural =/= good anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:56 AM
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Overall, men survived shipwrecks a lot more often than women and children, Titanic was an exception. Crew survived most often due to knowing where the lifeboats were.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:52 AM
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Men remarry after losing a partner more often than women and also leave terminally ill partners more often and cheat more often. Idk how you come to any of these conclusions besides feelings over facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:51 AM
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Honestly sounds perfect 🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:46 AM
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Then why aren't men shamed for not being monogamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 06:43 AM
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I think we're about the same in this regard, RP way exaggerates how easy it is for many women to find another partner and they certainly are wrong that women are naturally hypergamous while in a relationship. Both men and women can be shitty and cheat and I don't think any gender is inherently better. I think as women age, they also desire a relationship less than men, hence why they also don't get remarried as often. The difference I think is men place a lot of self worth in having a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:21 AM
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Yes young men and young women cheat at about the same rates. But if RP is to be believed, young women have vastly more opportunity to. Men take significantly more % of opportunities offered if this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:30 PM
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Uhh citation needed. Nobody evades people because they are nice. Men also evade people for not being physically attractive. Idk how you can say unless they are physically attractive and then not consider that's why women are avoiding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:04 PM
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Yes, the same people that champion Trump. Very religious, respectful people. Wouldn't the competition be more intense since there's more conservative men than women? But I'd be really happy if you just limited yourself to pursuing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:03 PM
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Certainly wouldn't matter to me if I found out about guys I've been with. I wasn't interested in having kids back then and still pretty apathetic to it. Even then, I mean donors are possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 10:58 PM
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Do men ever shave their arm pits??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 08:43 PM
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The very realistic expectation of the mommy bangmaid heiress.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:39 PM
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It’s not hard to see why this happens. Society has long pushed the idea of what a "good woman" should want: stability, respect, and emotional connection. But what about lust? Dominance? Chaos? These things don’t fit neatly into the "good girl" narrative, so they get buried. CNC (consensual non-consent) is one of the most popular kinks, yet how many women openly discuss that? The shame or fear of judgment keeps these fantasies locked in a virtual confessional booth, expressed anonymously and only…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:11 PM
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Lol no. Patriarchal violence and hierarchies are characterized by a lack of consent or using coercive violence to enforce them. That's very different than anything consensual in the bedroom. Everyone has different kinks and there is no more normal ones or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:08 PM
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Women are not uncomfortable about telling the truth about what they enjoy. There's a lot fewer of these repressed women around especially when you get out of conservative circles. But most people don't go around broadcasting their kinks because that's just ridiculous and irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:01 PM
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Yea you certainly need to control for physical attractiveness in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:58 PM
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A lot of women are also like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:56 PM
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Indeed! They should be giving young women credit for not cheating more often than young men if apparently it's super easy for them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:55 PM
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A lot of the things women enjoy in fiction or fantasy do reflect what they find attractive in real life, even if they’re not literally looking for an incestuous relationship (which, really, is a bit of a leap in your analogy). Ok, am I supposed to think a lot of guys want incestuous relationships because that's very common in porn? What's the empirical evidence of a link between kinks and what we look for in partners? I've been accused of only being in abusive relationships (I haven't ever) beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:40 PM
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You are trying to equate bedroom dynamics with what we want from a partner in day to day life. Just like I don't believe most men who watch porn want an incestuous relationship with a sister or mom, you should not read much into what some women enjoy in fiction as what they are looking for in a partner. I certainly would not want what I like in fiction to be done to me beyond acting. In my experience, the men who are very successful in dating casually are not openly assholes or abusive because n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:06 PM
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"Meant" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. In a state of nature, maybe but none of us truly live like that and technology/influence of society has a much stronger impact than biology. Men certainly can be good primary caretakers/SAH parents. There are plenty of things that are incentivized by nature but a really poor idea today that most people avoid, like eating ton of sugar and fats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:50 PM
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Yea like the guy would need to be making twice as much as you could to just be breaking even...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:44 PM
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That's a fair thing to point out. It's hard to account for though. More and more marriages are of equal partnerships and in marriages with a sole/primary earner, their partner also could have just voluntarily gave up their career for kids, if they didn't need the extra money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:42 PM
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Sure, why is that a problem to you? If they become bitter about never attracting a man, well that's their fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:28 PM
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I'm a little confused right now, just because it seems like you're trying to argue with me by agreeing with me? I said that females should be chasing the males, meaning we should be choosing which males are our potential partners and acting on it, instead of waiting for them to come to us. Oh I guess I may just be confused about what you mean by "chasing". I would say how we put ourselves out there is the chase, certainly not going to attract anyone sitting at home all day. But how are we not do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:20 PM
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I doubt most men would find this fulfilling once they actually do it because they aren't socialized to think so, nor are they raised to really do this well. Plus a lot of men who would, also worry that their partners would lose respect for them or leave them. Men still tend to make more and are more represented in higher paying fields than women so the eligible population that can make a single income household work is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:06 PM
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They why don't you want to be a SAH parent? Work can suck but financially relying your partner is often worse because it goes to their head. And then you get people insisting you're a leech on your partner baselessly. I mean you're doing that rn as if someone being SAH for you isn't an equal investment lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:55 PM
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Humans do reverse the more colorful/impractical male dynamic. I wish our clothing was more functional and less just for looks. But that's still the female animals choosing their male mates. As for sexual dimorphism, a lot of mammals don't show much difference between genders in terms of size. There are more mammal species with similar size or larger females than larger males.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:50 PM
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Sure but that's hard to get too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:50 PM
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It's cope that the majority of guys even have money worth the effort in this manner. Especially if it's involving child support for their own kids 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:46 PM
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Ok, then a lot of them will have to be fine ending up single if they never stop having this expectation 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:20 PM
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To add, men are shamed more for being single so there is a societal pressure too which is why most women just use the term incel aka involuntary celibate to any man they get pissed at. No such insult for women. Incel was coined by women to describe themselves. Men are the ones who coopted it. And there are tons of gendered insults for women especially for being promiscuous. As for the friendships, men do have stronger friendships but they lack the deepness of intimacy which women do. Like men ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:14 PM
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That's a really sad way to envision being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:09 PM
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I mean if she's SAH, what other option is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:08 PM
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Definitely more of an American thing. I pay for my half as a default but a lot of men will insist to pay themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:07 PM
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If you think letting men pay for a date is like using them as an ATM or gold digging, you're just delusional. If anything, the best gold digging strategy would be to flatter and pay this insignificant money before marriage where you can then be entitled to half your partner's assets 🤣. But most men do not have much assets to even make it worth taking in this manner. If a meal is a lot of money to you, then you are pretty safe from gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:04 PM
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The majority of men don't really have incomes/assets worth investing in a whole relationship for lol. And everyone tends to marry in their own economic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:00 PM
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how women are biologically supposed to be less attractive than men, and how we're actually supposed to be chasing the men instead of of vice versa but this question will suffice for now. So, bioessentialist based on what? Female selection is more common in nature than the reverse (although certainly not as universal as people think).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:15 AM
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Well both, but former of course is more important, the latter is bizarre to me but men can have whatever standards they want and that's fine. What's the source for infidelity being much higher in promiscuous partners? It seems at worst a slight correlation and we know men overall cheat more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:01 AM
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Goes for them too 💀. I mean if women are just holding out for that, they'll prob be waiting a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:13 AM
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Great comment breaking everything down!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:57 AM
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Yea, single women actually own more homes than single men. But don't look at rage baiting Tik Toks, this is like their whole business model to sell nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:55 AM
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I was a big Twilight fan but like those people for the most part are just joking lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:53 AM
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😭😭 He's cute and a bit dorky looking. Clean shaven I can kind of agree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:25 AM
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Davidsons like an 8 to me, what's wrong with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:22 AM
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Wtf, no he looks great when he's got stubble. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:14 AM
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How is he even mid??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:07 AM
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Touch grass, OP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:07 AM
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We can't control who we find attractive. You can control whether you cheat
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:00 AM
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Women typically don't want to do that kind of work anyway. There's no mass push for equal representation in laying drains, road works or construction. So you're asking companies purchase equipment that can only be used by women (too small for men), and of course because private business skimps on costs, they don't. That isn't a conspiracy to keep you out of those jobs. It's just business doing it's thing, keeping costs down. My job is in chemical engineering, you often work at manufacturing site…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 11:35 PM
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I mean just ignore Tik Tok, these people's livelihoods depend on engagement and say the most rage baiting stuff to do so. Do you know anybody who truly enjoys being mistreated like in day to day? I'm sure people like this exist but they are an exception or really young/naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:45 PM
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Testosterone isn't even correlated to aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:39 PM
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Presumably if you don't like your partner, you wouldn't get married in the first place? Idk am I explaining emotions to a psychopath? I would definitely be hurt if my partner cheated on me let alone my husband...?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:59 PM
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This is so weird that he won't just get an open marriage in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:33 PM
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Then choose someone who makes similar to what you do. Then you're no worse off on a split economically!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:28 PM
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Very few actually do live like this lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:25 PM
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Then what is it even?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:19 PM
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I mean if you want to live like this, but I doubt many people would be. Majority of people end up in a relationship, idk why it's gotta be treated as such a hard accomplishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:17 PM
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I mean surely it'd be a lot easier to shame/police a few men getting all the attention than every woman chasing them right (if you believe this to be the case)? Like if I thought a few "top" women were monopolizing all the men, I wouldn't be upset at men, I'd be upset at the women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:14 PM
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I’m sure she’ll be furious if she finds out. All the more reason to conceal it. As he’s denied intimacy but probably wants to keep his house, he’s doing this on the down low behind her back. But if she doesn’t like it, she’s free to leave. I mean yea presumably once she finds out then he loses more than half, this is such a dumb idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:39 PM
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She is entitled to honesty because we all are as people, would you be dishonest at work or to your family? She's not being dishonest by refusing to sleep with you. You can leave her for not being sexually compatible or ask to open the relationship, but cheating is not right. But like if you need external motivation due to lacking ethics... she'll be furious if she finds out and the divorce courts are not kind to dishonest cheaters spending shared assets on a mistress. That's how you actually get…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:19 PM
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You can't change people you're dating or rather it's really not worth the effort over just finding someone who is compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:08 PM
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This dude always has the dumbest takes. Every single post is so brainless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:07 PM
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I guess if she's fine with it after knowing then it's whatever. But I don't get what these guys expect to happen once they sleep with other women and their wife isn't happy about it. Divorce courts are not kind to people cheating and spending shared assets on another partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:03 PM
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Yea she can't stop you, but she can leave you and being a cheater certainly does not help your case in divorce court.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:57 PM
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Why do you even want to do this? Like your wife would be furious if she finds out and then probably your mistress will also potentially be furious and the divorce courts would be prejudiced against you for cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:55 PM
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Yea is this another "If my wife doesn't want to have sex with me, I should be allowed to cheat on her" post?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:52 PM
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I would say women should drop harmful patriarchal expectations for men that don't really make sense anymore. Like needing to be a provider, that's just really silly. People can have whatever standards they want, but need to be fine being single if they can't find anyone who meets them. Without then angrily blaming the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:14 PM
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Or it's a consequence of biological reality, just like how you step over that men were expected to fight off the invaders during a siege because they're men Well today physical strength is not a huge competitive advantage that it once was, so surely we shouldn't design society around something that's no longer relevant? Technology has advanced, so naturally society and our values also should. Male dominance of a field, so what, women dominate employment in entire industries like healthcare, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:05 PM
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Because if the men didn't have food, there would be no defense of the city under siege. This is an issue of being pragmatic despite the horror because more people could die if there's not enough rations. Right, I don't see how that's any better deal than being forced to fight. Either way you need to fight to survive when invaded and seems like men were valued more when it was most important. Women and children were usually allowed to GTFO of the area in these scenarios, extreme examples (I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:59 PM
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Progress is ordering specific harnesses designed for women which are on the market. But obviously, companies then have a motivation to not hire women if they need to do that, which gives an advantage to male job seekers since they already have the PPE available. That is an example of how society is designed for men and the legacy of centuries of patriarchy. If we had an egalitarian society from the start, we would have just had both, it's not a huge deal to correct, but inertia is hard to overco…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:50 PM
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No, some men are genuine in their beliefs and feminism would not have accomplished a lot without male allies. It's definitely unfair to label them all as non-authentic. Conservatives pretending to be "feminists" to get laid are the worst but you can tell pretty fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:44 PM
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RP supports gender essentialism and AWALT and evopsych, I mean that's literally defined on the sidebar. That was Freud as well and the basis of this split. Men due to their biology, can't help themselves to not respect a promiscuous women. Most people are pretty distinctly against that and I don't think you can be RP without believing those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:33 PM
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Yea he is handsome and keeps in shape, but doesn't make much at all and irregular work. Like she gives him an allowance and been together since college that he never finished. He'd probably have to move back in with his parents or find some other woman if this doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:23 PM
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Nah it's a RP belief. Normal people don't go around obsessing about Freud's ramblings. He also supported Victorian ideas of gender essentialism and believing masculinity > femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:31 PM
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Only if they identify red flags like abuse or cheating. I wouldn't care for like if they found him attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:14 PM
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I have never seen any woman claim this except maybe some ragebait on tik tok/Twitter. I have seen women I know support their actually broke musician live in boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:02 PM
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It depends where and what field. A lot of male dominated fields pay more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:57 PM
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You know we've all had twice as many female ancestors as male. Past wasn't great for most men either!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:49 PM
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Unfortunately, they'd often rather stick with what they know doesn't work out of anger than try anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:49 PM
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I mean back then, young men were the state's greatest assets and women had their reproduction commoditized. Like during sieges women and children would sometimes just be tossed outside to save on food...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:44 PM
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HAHAHAHA Oh, please, tell me. How exactly am I being catered to?... I'll wait. For example, safety equipment like airbags are designed for men and so women die more often to them. At my work I need to use fall protection harnesses and they also are and thus ergonomically uncomfortable + less safe since I may not be heavy enough to activate them. If that is misandrist rhetoric, I don't know what is. I mean a lot of men aren't socialized to care about that...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:39 PM
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Men could also have higher standards
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:36 PM
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Masculinity has been defined well historically. But femininity just ended up including everything that wasn't masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:35 PM
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It's because masculinity is well defined and categorized by a society that by default catered to men. Femininity then just included everything else and that's a lot more things than what is traditionally masculine. Like academic success, I guess that's feminine since men don't care about that. Feeling any emotion except anger is feminine. I certainly don't care about men making a lot of money or owning a house. He just needs to be intelligent, kind, physically attractive/healthy and not financia…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:28 AM
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How are women taking their anger out on everyone else? Are they becoming terrorists and murdering men because Chad won't commit? No, that's angry men doing that. Are they encouraging and radicalizing others to SA men like Chad? No that's angry men doing that. Are they spreading evopsych nonsense about men and wanting to take away rights from men? No, that's angry men doing that too. This is all projection. "Incel" was coined by women to describe their own lack of romantic success but lonely wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:20 AM
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Yep show lack of attraction and the next statement is "You just want all men to die, dom't you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:03 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:00 AM
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Women are the ones who want and benefit from relationships the most Men statistically benefit more from marriages soooo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:56 AM
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I mean we all enjoy having sex, but Chad is YOUR competition, what does shaming women even get you? If anything it just makes men who aren't so insecure look more attractive in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:54 AM
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Single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:52 AM
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100% goals. I don't get why guys can't take care of themselves, they are physically more capable and have less to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:50 AM
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I suppose that is true, just lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:44 AM
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Yea, if RP is so successful, what is the empirical proof that it works?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:43 AM
2

Definitely feel bad for whoever you're with with this mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:42 AM
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Then go date trad cons 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:38 AM
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The majority of men end up married and some of the ones who don't are cohabiting. I don't even get the talking point that it's some huge effort to just get any relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:36 AM
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Congrats, as long as you're happy...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:27 AM
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There's always IVF and have a kid on your own :shrug:
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:24 AM
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People can have whatever standards they want, doesn't mean they'll get that. The desirability of women is not controlled by women, it's controlled by men. If someone wants somebody who's top 1% net worth and a male model, and she's actually getting them, then she is worth that. If she's not, then either she'll have to improve herself, stop having such strict standards or remain single. Men are the same way except you have harder competition because men care more for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:14 AM
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What would confessing be considered to you? And yes I would certainly agree on the other two is a very poor idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:12 PM
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I would be creeped out over how the guy tried to show interest over just showing interest. Like asking to kiss before making sure attraction is mutual. "I've grown to like you and was wondering if you felt the same way" is a less presumptive and icky way to make your intentions known. A lot of relationships do come from friends after all. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/19485506211026992
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:55 PM
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But it's women who initiate the majority of divorces, self-report wanting divorces more, self-report lower marital satisfaction, and also initiate the majority of divorces in countries other than the US, where men are more contributing to domestic labor and are more family-oriented. A partner doing a lot more work is not the only reason to be initiating divorce though. For example, if men are cheating more often or abusive, certainly that's goint to be a reason to divorce even if the man is doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:44 PM
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I'd be against that consensus if it's actually a thing. And like studies seem to indicate that this just isn't the case despite online discourse. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/202108/how-often-friends-become-lovers To be exact, the researchers estimated that 68 percent of romantic relationships start from friendship. On average, friends-first partners were friends for almost two years before becoming romantic partners. Like I would be exhausted sorting people into woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:26 PM
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You also have to consider that if one partner is in fact doing significantly more work than the other, that they would probably stop being married. Kind of like survivorship bias, same as marriage happiness surveys not taking into account how unhappy people who are divorced are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:12 PM
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I'm not sure how both conclusions are incompatible. Men could both be losing more free time while married compared to when single and women still have less free time overall in marriage. You certainly haven't demonstrated that in your posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:41 PM
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It's no different than being rejected without being friends. I don't think less of people who I reject and like I still want to be friends with people who I don't want to be in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:57 PM
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I've wanted to be with a friend I've known for over a decade recently and kept in contact regularly over that time period. All my LTR have been just people I've talked to or gotten to know before we started formally dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:54 PM
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All of this is obviously apparent if you're a low value male. So why do women have such a hard time comprehending? Because when rejected, people who you consider friends sometimes become very bitter and then cut off all contact with you. Or they continue to try to win you over. Then you start to wonder whether his friendship was genuine or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:57 PM
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I don't think friend zone is really a thing. I don't consider my friends any less of potential romantic partners than strangers, I mean that would just make 0 sense. It's more there's no one proper way relationships should go.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:55 PM
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I agree with OP that this is a good thing to do but not like because you want to be in a relationship with them. You should want to be friendly with people and friendships are valuable in and of themselves. I don't get offended when friends want to date me unless I feel like the only reason he was trying to display positive traits was for my benefit, and I've pursued people I've considered friends and developed feelings for. I've never understood the whole you need to cut off friends who reject …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:49 PM
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No, you asked me from where the idea of stable families produce more children, there's. Sure, now I'm asking how do you think those examples can be practical to implement? Those incentives where never in society in first place and everyone was doing fine, so no. You realize conditions change right? Women didn't really have the choice of not having a partner because she needed a relationship to not be a social pariah/make a living. Women weren't allowed to own property or allowed in the workforce…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:43 PM
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If you assume women are dishonest, why even ask and what's the point of discussing anything? There's nothing we could even say right? I certainly don't care about how promiscuous my partner was or how he treated previous partners (outside of like abuse or infidelity) but that's a major hang up for men as I've been told.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:35 PM
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So convert everyone to ultra orthadox Jews or Amish? Nobody would go for that if you want to talk about unrealistic options. I still don't understand your proposal. Remove the incentives to break the family union If you remove incentives there, it would discourage forming family unions in the first place. Why would I even want to get married without no fault divorces or if my husband wouldn't have to take responsibility for his kids? They don't hide it, only a small percentage of humans are psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:23 PM
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Well yea, very Western centric phenomena. But even then, I don't see why you're claiming this is a woman's issue and not a question for men. Why can't men respect women who are promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:13 PM
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How do you build any society without caring about and not isolating from society?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:07 PM
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We don't need more children, we need stable families, such families generate more children by default while also not having a massive negative impact on society. Sure ensuring stable families like improving the economic conditions of poor and disadvantaged communities would be a good thing for children and end cyclical poverty. Where do you think is an example of "stable families" generating more kids though? And how would you propose promoting this? Maybe women should only reproduce with men sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:04 PM
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What? Isn't this what men complain about? Not having society deal with men's issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:42 PM
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It does seem kinda poor for men if they aren't allowed to be emotional except for anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:27 PM
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I don't know how they expect women to want to have kids more if they get rid of child support lol. But yes, men being upset at paying for their own kids is bizarre and 50/50 custodyship is the default in many states already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:25 PM
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Isn't that terrible for men?? Like you would just get sent off to die pointlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:23 PM
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Men are the least sympathetic to other men. They don't actually want to help disadvantaged men, it's just a convenient talking point to guilt women for having privilege they never asked for and weren't responsible for having.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:00 PM
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Prison reform and criminal justice system reform will be a policy change that disproportionally helps men. A lot about our prison system is a disaster where the goal is to extract money/labor from men and their loved ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:57 PM
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Often the dumbest criticism of men are by other men. And I don't see reasonable criticism of women get dismissed as misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:52 PM
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RP are the ones pushing evopsych nonsense. Most people just believe that women are people too and I believe a lot of gender is just performative and fundamentally there's no difference in inherent goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:49 PM
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Often the criticism is incredibly misogynistic. Like "Women can't know what they want" or "Women are always looking for a better partner".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:44 PM
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I have never seen an agreement on this because women are people too lol. In UK apparently it's more common to split because it is kind of hypocritical to expect men to be providers. I by default do but plenty of men will insist on paying here in the States.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:38 PM
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so youre saying the existence of such complex in men over time has left women entirely unadaple to it (by splitting themselves into a holy one and an socially unacceptable side of lust) in recent 2000 years? I don't believe it's a real thing, Freud made a bunch of claims that have little evidence for. Certainly it's a very Western phenomena if at all since plenty of cultures weren't as sexually repressed. But even if it was true, the challenge for women is to get her man to see her both as someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:32 PM
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I mean you should care about your partner's emotions and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:22 PM
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Freud is a bunch of BS and that shit is referring to MEN's inability to treat sexually promiscuous women as worthy of respect. First identified by Sigmund Freud, who called it psychic impotence,[2] it is a psychological complex that is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased whores. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (whore) while they cannot desire the respected partner (Madonna).[3] Freud wrote, "Where such men love they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:18 PM
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Probably, he also brags about how many women he matches with...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:13 PM
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Empowering P2025 and Christian Nationalists who claim to want to repeal the 19th. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:11 PM
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They do the same exact things men do... And you mistake lack of need to do something with lack of capability. If men stopped approaching, women would approach more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:06 PM
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This is one of the more bizarre takes I've seen. Like I don't think there are many women who wants to mother their partner or be degraded. Maybe bedroom dynamics but that's a small part of a relationship usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:23 AM
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Yea this is so weird 😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:14 AM
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Yea anything related to incest I feel like is like a majority men thing because it's so weird to me 💀. Someone here did say it's a desirability thing for people to break taboos.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:10 AM
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Wow, actually good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:02 AM
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Yea if communciation is explicit and he's still not doing it, then he's either really lazy or lost interest. Neither are really good but I wouldn't start purposely not communicating since nobody has time for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:55 AM
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Women are courageous too, making the first move is just because men have lower standards and lol is physical strength really a personality trait now?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:15 AM
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Shhhh it's too complex for him, only two 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:11 AM
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The average body mass index (BMI) is 29.23, just shy of obese. Sure for friendship, probably not for anything romantic at least to start. Only one in three adults meet the recommended amount of physical activity each week. I don't really mind since I don't play much sports either. But I worry about their health. The average American adult plays more than 5 hours of video games per week Don't care, I game too so shared interests. As long as it's not like all he does. Half of Americans read four o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:40 AM
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Average is always higher than median because the top earners make many times more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:09 AM
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You know, it's almost as if different women are looking for different things... But how did you even conclude that? I find dating IRL is easier since you can get to know someone better and determine compatibility easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:35 PM
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They literally rallied when guys tried to make a male support center, they tried to ban men’s day and rejected men’s month, there’s a lot of women l who don’t like men That's not based on hating men, it was a bunch of NIMBYs in NY that would have protested any shelter. I don't agree with them but let's not act like this was due to misandry. Men's day and Men's months are silly asks. A lot of society is designed and structured for men as a default due to the legacy of centuries of patriarchy. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:31 PM
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Women blame men as a group for the problems they experience from individual men and also men themselves for their own problems. They complain about these things but usually women who hate men just try to avoid men. Women aren’t taking away rights from men but women do take away support groups and male communities from men in their crusade for egalitarianism. How do they do that? Outside of the communities that are actively promoting harming others. Like I don't see anybody trying to outlaw DnD g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:15 PM
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I would disagree there. Women are not the ones blaming men as a group or trying to take away rights from men as a result of lack of romantic success. Sure maybe a woman is delulu in the kind of man she can get to commit to her, but then she ends up alone and not causing trouble for other men or just becomes an annoyance. A man who is delulu and gets frustrated, ends up supporting right wing policies that would harm women or take away reproductive rights, encouraging SA, or in the worst case, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:55 PM
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Idk, if men are like fent addicts, idk what we really share in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:55 PM
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Nobody is forcing men to do dangerous jobs and conscription is just not a thing in the US and it's all volunteers. Hell if you want to get rid of dangerous jobs like coal mining for being uncompetitive and terrible for the environment, men protest that and elect people who promise to keep them. If men would want to decide they aren't compensated enough for the risk they take and look for a different profession, I'd be all for that. I don't blame men for not wanting to be elementary school teache…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:42 PM
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I mean the majority of people are in relationships and they aren't rich or hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:45 PM
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I would disagree here, fiction is fiction and not representative of what women want. Danger and risk taking is exciting but actually dangerous people are uncontrollable/sociopathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:44 PM
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The guys I have been really attracted to for LTR certainly were not getting tons of attention from other women lol. And sure I'd rather stay single than settle, a good partner would make my life better but I'm content without one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:33 PM
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Of course, it's always the bad faith takes and "Women deserve to suffer because I was turned down".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:45 PM
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I never said superficial standards? Hookups just have to be hot, LTR should be hot and have admirable personality traits. What you describe is the same way for women, there's a lot more guys I'd consider attractive enough to sleep with but not all of them will be compatible. Being physically attractive is more a floor and going past that has significantly diminishing returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:27 PM
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Men care more and have lower standards though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:54 PM
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I've never seen anyone who likes to travel expect their date to go on expensive vacations with them let alone pay for expensive vacations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:51 PM
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I mean I'd say they can have whatever standards they want but they shouldn't then blame men or make up ridiculous evopsych nonsense if they don't find someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:33 PM
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The same people who look for hookups on dating apps would have even higher standards for a LTR. And women can have higher standards then men on apps since male competition is more intense due to men having lower standards for who'd they'd have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:31 PM
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I don't believe you purposely meant to harm her, but from her perspective, you still did and she's done nothing wrong. Some people are forgiving/empathetic even in the moment but others are understandably not. And either way more important is to actually do better next time, talk to her when she's not so upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:26 PM
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Uhhh what do you respect in other men? It's not that difficult, we can definitely respect and value men we're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:16 PM
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This never happens or that woman just never finds that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:13 PM
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I don't really know what OP is arguing for then, but like just being a single mom or being abused is clearly "punishment" enough in those cases. Deadbeats actually often get away with things. On the more extreme end, where it's easy to point out, you can see that hybristophilia is a very female thing. Women love male villains in media. They love 50 Shades. They willingly get with prison inmates when there are plenty of free men walking around who have no history of violence. Fantasy has nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:09 PM
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Birth control can fail and having unwanted kids makes everyone more miserable. Even normal pregnancies are quite stressing to women's bodies and come with whole host of mental changes as well. Consenting to sex does not mean consenting to having kids and fetuses are not ethically people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:45 AM
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Abortions are illegal in many places...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:39 AM
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Why would you want to be in a relationship for money? That just sucks so much and the dead beat dads are more to blame for choosing to run off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:38 AM
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That's not even true...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:34 AM
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Always so many dumb takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:33 AM
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What do you think is the accountability for men who are shitty? Like why would you hope consequences on people for being victimized and often tricked by abusers rather than the abusers themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:23 AM
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In that case, I'd be upset that I'm somehow to blame for you being angry and sad about something that I have no control over. Especially if I already had to deal with you being visibly angry. She's stressed out because of anxiety and insecurity and now you're crying and adding more problems. If my partner was too anxious to go outside, I wouldn't be angry, I'd feel pity and eventually lose attraction but I'd still want him to work through those issues. Pushing my partner to go on dates with me w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:06 AM
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I mean I'd have to understand more what was going on between you two. Like crying about something that I would also cry about, say death of a pet, failed effort at something you really cared about, sad movie, is certainly a lot different than crying with the intent to manipulate. Like if you did something harmful and somebody got upset at you. Or like somebody refusing to add you on social media. The former I appreciate because it's showing comfort with being vulnerable and often I start crying …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:38 AM
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I love my emojis in texts so felt so called out lol. Agreed, OP nonsensically trying to equate individual preferences to wholly unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:16 AM
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Definitely, believe all victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:51 AM
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A lot of people with icks that are trivial know they are irrational and not at all makes someone a worse person but those are not commonly shared amongst most people. More important and red flags are commonly agreed upon as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:48 AM
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Some of them do seem really dumb like "Using emojis in texts" or "wearing socks to bed".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:45 AM
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You see... being a rude, gross asshole is what they think is necessary to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:41 AM
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I have never unironically seen the Chad who's openly an asshole have tons of success with women because nobody would want that. If he's a PoS, he's good at hiding it, at least in first impressions and then later becomes abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:34 AM
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All the stereotypes presented by RP are anecdotally entirely inaccurate in my experience except for how shitty people who believe in gender essentialism/evopsych are. The very good looking promiscuous guy is often outgoing and legitimately kind and either settles down or isn't lying about his intentions of sleeping around. Nerdy men or men who are in non "manly" fields do just fine socially. Stacy is kinda the same way since the most popular, attractive women are often rich and intelligent too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:33 AM
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I consider most guys normal looking... physical attractiveness is more of a floor and has a lot of diminishing returns past that floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:55 PM
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That's bs, just start suggesting single moms lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:53 PM
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For the same reason anyone should do anything. Rational self interest. Shouldn't rational self interest then for everyone else to make sure people like this can't harm others? Such as you know taking away their rights? It's not like they can build alliances or people who would speak out in their interest since they already isolate away. Incels who become terrorists have only succeeding getting everyone to hate them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:40 PM
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How would you feel then if incels were marginalized further? That punish socially isolated men more? Why should society value helping men who want to contribute nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:29 PM
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Most women who hate men just avoid men. This is projecting what men do. Hell, the most radfem adovcated like political lesbianism
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:45 PM
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Expecting women to be grateful to men for agreeing to move towards a more equal society is like expecting slaves to be grateful to former slave owners. It's pathetic. Everyone is entitled to equality and fundamental rights. Not being able to get a date is not misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:35 PM
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Oh boy another case of if men aren't entitled to sex, then women aren't entitled to political agency 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:22 PM
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Sure, that's reasonable, but very few women complain about that and not enough men actually just leave those marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:20 PM
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Men statistically benefit more from marriages and married rich men are the happiest demographic. Your partner sounds better off without you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:18 PM
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Yea as a subset of incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:39 PM
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We're tending towards equality there. Before men could count income and providing a basic living and women effectively had to get a relationship or be marginalized in society. Now, both and women are free to desire things other than material in their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:21 PM
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Don't have any stats about just dating but atleast the median salary difference between a husband and wives differs from that That doesn't prove anything, a lot of wives take part time jobs or become SAH, that doesn't mean they suddenly are lower socioeconomic class. Looking at educational accomplishment is probably a better metric. If you did, i guess your standards were just too high , or you yearned for something different You can be lonely while being able to get random guys to have sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:44 PM
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Do you have the same standards for people calling women whores or sluts? Or other men bitches denying masculinity? Or is it just a double standard for insulting men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:36 PM
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I mean she can't control what others do...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:34 PM
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"Incel" was coined by women to describe their own lack of romantic success and coopted by lonely men. Holding people who use "incel" to a double standard to anyone else who uses ill fitting insults is an issue though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:31 PM
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Incel is characterized by toxic hatred of women due to failed romantic pursuits. Whether they had sex or not is pretty irrelevant. https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/incels-involuntary-celibates
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:29 PM
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I could understand someone staying because of gaslighting and coercion and constantly being in a cycle of reconciliation and abuse. What I can't understand is staying with someone who already practically isn't in a relationship with you and you don't want this? This is more like roommate with occasional fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:02 AM
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I'm all for people discussing emotions or getting help for them. There's a difference between that and being unhinged and unable to control yourself due to constant repression or only relying on your partner as an emotional outlet while refusing to seek therapy. We all went emotionally well put together people as partners, like men also wouldn't someone who's clearly unstable but that doesn't mean we can't empathize with people struggling. I'm not sure, Pedro Pascal gets a ton of fangirls and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:26 AM
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We have a ton of positions in the military that aren't front line combat. Fighter pilots, mechanics, cooks, linguists, hell I was almost going to sign up to be a nuclear engineer for a sub/carrier. Our tooth to tail is what 1:10? Sure women are not going to be as effective as men in combat but certainly we'd be effective enough for many roles. Israel certainly has a means tested system of mandating women into their armed forces, are you saying they are doing that just to be woke? In addition if …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:53 PM
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It's nothing genetic based. I doubt most men have nobody at all that would be with them, they just don't want them over being single. Women may have more options but they also don't measure up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:37 PM
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Idk plenty of RP people claim thats all men are and it's impossible for us to understand because of "testosterone".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:34 PM
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I mean if you assume people are lying, then there's no point in discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:29 PM
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GSS survey is the best dataset but I can't seem to find that directly anymore. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america But there are a few studies with the same conclusion. Therefore in the modern day, only a very small percentage of men are getting married, and those men are typically high status in someway (either looks or money) therefore they are more appealing to other women, and more likely to cheat. Most men end up married sometime in their life,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:26 PM
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Many hot guys who do serially sleep around are kind and passionate people in my experience. The worst I could say about them is they take a lot of risks living their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:16 PM
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Yea the most pathetic part is it's not even about malice, the whole economy complaint was just stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:11 PM
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Ah fair enough, just like Incel was coined by women to describe their own lack of romantic success and now it's just toxic hatred of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:03 PM
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You know men benefit more from marriages than women in terms of lifespan and happiness? Single men are like the most miserable demographic even counting single moms...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:06 PM
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It's not really about the gifts, it's the lack of attention and affirmation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:05 PM
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Really depends on when the age gap is happening 30 year olds with 20 year olds looks weird to be but it's not very once both people are well established in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:01 PM
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lesbians are a conspiracy Gay erasure in 2024? What does it say about you then that they'd rather "pretend" than be with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:56 PM
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Men just manage all their portfolios online while women do all the domestic chores and work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:53 PM
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He's making excuses why he can't get people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:48 PM
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Exactly! It's also SAH wives who fight the hardest in divorce proceedings, since the asset split is very important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:47 PM
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I mean someone who believes that women aren't really worthy of respect as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:45 PM
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I thought it was alpha to be doing that...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:40 PM
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I certainly wouldn't want to be with someone who doesn't really like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:38 PM
3

It's not incomprehensible, ace men exist? But I would just agree sexual compatibility is an important standard for everyone. I wouldn't blame men for leaving over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:43 PM
6

What's the criticism for trad lifestyle? Beyond just delusion like you should be able to not provide but she should still have to do all the things she does in a trad relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:37 PM
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You need to change your flair to RP, what is this nonsense. And if you think conservative women's expectations of you are low, then go date them! If anything it'll be even more competitive though since there's a gender imbalance in terms of men to women in conservative circles. Although since conservative men also really suck, maybe the bar is in hell for them. Date who you are compatible with, don't be trying to shame others to match some fantasy in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:28 PM
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It really sounds like status is just what individual women prefer lol. Circular reasoning. If women actually decided being a loser in prison is high status (which people love to point out that example of women joking about that mugshot), would you want to be a dude in prison? Software nerds and doctors and other engineers do well for themselves... Plenty of fast food workers and retail also have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:21 PM
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You said women can't understand what it's like to put up with bad relationships and that's not true at all. But an abusive relationship would have the partner gaslighting and coercing you to stay with them and not just be completely absent. That I can't imagine staying in, we're practically not together, it should be easy to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:16 PM
2

Is status literally just whether women want them now??
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:14 PM
2

I mean I've had a long term BF break up with me over lack of availability due to this and neither of us wanting to move to be with the other so I get it...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:12 PM
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It definitely is terrible. My long term BF ended a relationship with me over not being available enough for him and can't say I blame him for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:11 PM
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I mean part of standards is similar sexual compatibility. Somebody who literally is not doing anything wouldn't really meet. If they were close enough, then what they did for their previous partner is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:01 PM
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For example, let's say that ideally you want sex every day, but he wants it 2x a week, and that's tolerable for you so you compromise. However, he was having sex every day with his exes who were much more attractive than you. How would you feel in this case? If we're close enough, and I liked the rest about him, ie he also enjoys cuddling and spending time with me, then I'd probably compromise to meet him there. What he did for his previous partner is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:56 PM
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I truly do not understand why you would want to be with someone who is doing nothing for you. Like have higher standards here 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:54 PM
1

You know there are women who stay in very abusive relationships and even get killed for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:52 PM
2

Agreed yea! Porn vids don't really do much for me, but I do like reading and listening
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:47 PM
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Equivalent of porn would be erotica or smut stories, of which there are plenty targetted for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:46 PM
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I wouldn't agree with this, there's a difference between consuming porn and being addicted to it. And yea, women consume porn too so this almost seems like more sexual repression for everyone lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:43 PM
1

Yep, they want to convert someone to their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:20 PM
2

Yea openly conservative women in a majority liberal environment are really outspoken and don't care at all about social pressure...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:19 PM
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High income households vote more Dem than conservative now... Since Trump, there's a realignment there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:17 PM
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Especially since it's never accepted as an excuse for women's actions...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:11 PM
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Being egalitarian would mean not lying about intentions 😒
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:09 PM
1

Due diligence doesn't mean you would be off the hook for fraud and willful misrepresentation which is what is happening with conservatives. They say whatever they think you want to hear, like conservatives with nonsense like "I want more abortions".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:07 PM
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Then just go after conservative women, and wtf is this reasoning? Why not just not lie to your partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:05 PM
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Yea and lying about your intentions makes it harder for everyone else! It's a race to the bottom here. Women have to be very wary since some men will just say whatever they think you want to hear to get laid. That's also why older guys mistrusted and they only go after young naive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:45 PM
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You do know this causes even more mistrust for men once they figured out you lied?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:44 PM
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I would tell the truth for my N count, if they have an issue with it, we'd likely be incompatible anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:42 PM
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Yea they don't care about lying because they don't care about respecting their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:41 PM
1

What? Women are more likely to go to therapy and get mental issues diagnosed, I think this only in your mind, we're more than willing to express unhappiness and not supress emotions outside of anger. I mean not all feminists agree and certainly many also believe in being drafted, not that men are drafted in the states anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:33 PM
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So putting yourself into this hypothetical, just assume you ended up in this hypothetical scenario due to getting into a relationship out of social pressure. Social pressure for me would be to get out of this relationship lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 03:16 AM
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Single men are a very unhappy demographic, even counting single mothers... But I probably would agree overall but women are certainly going to be unhappier due to emboldening of really bad men and losing basic rights under the conservative admin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:59 AM
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Fair enough I guess for workers, but that's also just illegal activity. 70% of nonreciprocal domestic violence is perpetuated by women. Lesbian relationships have higher rates of domestic violence than gay relationships by far. Reciprocal violence is a large category and I suspect people have a large motivation to lie about DV when their partner was signicantly injured and men certainly injure women a lot more than the reverse. The study even acknowledges this factor. And a lot of reciprocal vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:56 AM
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I certainly don't think you're less of a man for that. And that's really cute about your daughter. It really just sounds like you hang around with awful people? Did you ever ask why they have their perspective/explanation because this sounds outrageous. Who even thinks this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:50 AM
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I would question why we even got together if we are that different in sex drive, nothing wrong with it but it probably wouldn't work for me... I have a hard time imagining myself caring about him much if he just seems absent to this extent? But if I did, I would probably ask about opening the relationship, I would have done so in a previous relationship from the other side. What he did in his previous relationship outside of being abusive or he cheated is irrelevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:38 AM
3

These women sound absolutely deranged and not at all my experience. I mean yea definitely better off without them...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:09 AM
5

If your partner is making you miserable, how can it be worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:08 AM
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You need a job... if you choose to do it, you accept the risks! I'm all for workers negotiating for better compensation and I also work in a male dominated field.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:06 AM
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https://fortune.com/2023/01/13/why-are-married-men-healthier-on-average-women-gender-research/ Men are the ones that benefit the most from marriage. Single men are by and large miserable even counting single mothers who are also very unhappy. Men derive a lot of self worth from being in relationships but I'm certainly in favor of change there. If men CAN find happiness being single, I'm all for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:03 AM
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It counts as "reciprocal" as the study I saw defined it but it's often hard to tell who initiated. Women are also significanlty more likely to be injured in those cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:56 AM
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How is it not traditional for your wife to be complaining about how much you make? Unless she's actually just insufferable in which case you should talk to her about that. Men still benefit more from marriages than women and the happiest person on average is still the married rich man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:55 AM
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Then why do you think men benefit more from marriages than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:51 AM
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What do you mean? Men don't value friendships much at all, much more likely to say they have 0 friends and rely on their spouse for their social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:51 AM
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Yep, men derive a lot of self worth for having a relationship/spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:49 AM
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Infidelity rates are similar between the sexes in couples from 18 to 40. Past that point, men cheat more, but those marriages are usually dead anyway. Don't young women according to RP have way more opportunity to cheat? Women don't commit more DV, the studies that indicate that are based off of self reporting and nobody is going to self report that they significantly injured their spouse, which we know happens more to women than men. And a lot of DV by women is in self defense. Many states the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:49 AM
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Alimony is awarded in less than 10% of divorces and some is for the father as well. Default assumption for child support in many states is 50/50 custody. Fathers are way more likely to not want to take care of their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:43 AM
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It really depends who you counting. Married rich men with SAH wives are the happiest but single moms are pretty miserable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:42 AM
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Most likely violently abusive people are pretty big losers in most areas of life. So they don't have much to pay out in child support. Plenty of people who don't have custody purposely get underemployed or accept cash payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:40 AM
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That's because dads don't want their kids. Default assumption in many cases is 50/50 nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:39 AM
2

If you love idealistically shouldn't you leave once you find yourself in a miserable marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:37 AM
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Driving is a neccessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:35 AM
0

You have to drive in many parts of the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:34 AM
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You know if I had my partner described in this way, I just wouldn't want to be in a relationship. But clearly men benefit more from being in one than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:33 AM
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Sounds like you should have married someone who makes similar rather than insisting on a trad wife...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:32 AM
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Exactly, some people just have a martyrdom complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:31 AM
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How is Poland not a relevant dataset for OECD countries as they explain? If you insist on US, you also find the same pattern. https://swe.org/research/2023/earning-gap/#:~:text=Gender%20earnings%20gap:%20In%20all,of%20their%20male%20colleagues%2C%20respectively. Ah yes, male fragility, hurt one guy's feelings and it's time to take away rights from.women because that's the only way you can compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 12:43 AM
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I specifically said STEM fields since that's what the article was discussing. No wonder boys are performing worse in school, yall practically illiterate. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03075079.2024.2330667 We find that already in the first year after graduation, women earn over 20% less than men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 11:47 PM
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Whatever you tell yourself, it's the result of improper socialization. Boys are not taught to value academic achievement and not corrected behaviorially for acting out. You can see in schools where sports are not prioritized, there is much less of a gender gap in achievement, and amongst Asian Americans, there is no gender gap until HS/College. My younger brother is probably more accomplished than I am and I know my parents had the same high expectations for him lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 11:44 PM
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This is for STEM fields, not overall. As someone in a STEM field, we still are highly underrepresented and in mine, the gender pay gap is significant for the same job (and increasing rn). But I mean for identically qualified candidate in an opposite dominated field, I feel you should favor the minorities because having diversity is important. Certainly I'd agree male nurses or male teachers also face additional challenges to be successful so if they have the same qualifications... Economics/fina…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:34 PM
2

Do you think that's a good thing? I'm certainly against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 06:50 PM
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How was tiptoeing? It's not a huge deal to me, if someone's willing to learn, it's nbd. Other factors are way more important to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 06:50 PM
0

Great analysis!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:47 PM
0

I mean so if somebody has some really bad experience with men personally, they should assume all men are terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:46 PM
1

This is a new low 😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:38 PM
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The equivalent hypothetically would be focusing on oral if this actually was a problem which I mean statistically men finish in a huge % of PiV. Not suggest ridiculous anatomically impractical solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:37 PM
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This just sounds incredibly painful and not going to work, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:33 PM
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They certainly do and MGTOW types continue to pursue women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:57 PM
3

My child I would love unconditionally, I don't really feel like that would be a choice on my part, partner I would hope not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:50 PM
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It's a combination of it's not as easy as you'd think AND it's not really rewarding or fulfilling. And the opportunity cost to your career is pretty large.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:46 PM
0

Sure, and for the longest time, it was only men in a lot of jobs and activities. That's by default. May not be any man's fault today but that's the legacy of centuries of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:42 PM
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Yep! There isn't specifically "for men" things since by default, it's "for men"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:36 PM
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I have never seen or heard of this. Unless you mean vetting men to see whether he's worth dating? I don't see how asking friends their opinions is a problem. What is the evidence anything illegal/unethical is happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:34 PM
-1

There are unconscious biases that many people want to solve via AA. Would certainly want to encourage more male teachers. Women more likely to be hired needs to be considered based on qualifications too, men tend to apply to more positions they are less qualified for while women don't for those reach positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:33 PM
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I mean men determine whether it's important or not. I think it's more important to not be deceptive. I'd certainly be judging people who leave or cheat due to finding their partner less attractive though but probably better off to leave if that is a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:21 PM
1

I think that dude is satire or trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:17 PM
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I think it's related to some woman not wanting a completely clueless man. I don't understand either, people can't read minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:14 PM
1

As an example, I sometimes need fall protection for my job and it's not a physically demanding one. Majority of harnesses are designed for men and ergonomically is uncomfortable and unsafe for me to wear because I'm lighter and might not activate the lanyard. As a company, you have a motivation to not hire women then who need non default equipment because historically we certainly weren't allowed to work in this kind of environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:05 PM
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Femcels are mostly just choosing to stay single or working on themselves. If Incels do that, I'd have no issue with them. But they have the toxic attitude of blaming women for all their problems and become domestic terrorists, politically want to take rights away from women, spread evopsych nonsense or start encouraging SA. You never see femcels radicalizing other women to go murder or SA men. So now we are forced to care about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:02 PM
1

Sure I push back against that, certainly I don't need somebody with more money and I default will pay for my half on dates unless he insists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:58 PM
2

fr fr. "I want somebody taller then me" RP: "Women are so shallow and unfair, unlike me, I just want someone with DD chest, younger than 25, slim waist, conventionally attractive no make up face who will sleep with me as much as I want"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:56 PM
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Grass is always greener 🙄.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:48 AM
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Lmao, I wish I could have slept with celebrities, models and pro athletes let alone have them competing for me. People tend to date in their own economic class. And I wish I could say I never suffered from loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:46 AM
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Yea, I was like uhhh this seems grossly exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:40 AM
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That's not the same article or study. There are plenty of others with the same conclusion And even the retraction isn't entirely a refutation, men still are more likely to leave: What we find in the corrected analysis is we still see evidence that when wives become sick marriages are at an elevated risk of divorce, whereas we don’t see any relationship between divorce and husbands’ illness. We see this in a very specific case, which is in the onset of heart problems. So basically its a more nuan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:29 AM
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Here is the source for men leaving more often: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091110105401.htm#:~:text=Why%20men%20leave%20a%20sick,family%2C%20the%20study%20authors%20said So attached that you talk in plural? You are so attached to your partner that you will have other partners in the future? How does that work? I am currently single. But I would not have left my previous partner. It is possible to make a conscious decision to seriously commit and never leave him no matter the ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:13 AM
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As an example, I sometimes need fall protection for my job and it's not a physically demanding one. Majority of harnesses are designed for men and ergonomically is uncomfortable and unsafe for me to wear because I'm lighter and might not activate the lanyard. As a company, you have a motivation to not hire women then who need non default equipment because historically we certainly weren't allowed to work in this kind of environment. Women are achieving more in education but I don't really agree …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:05 AM
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That's misleading. The stats measure how often a partner has experienced DV in their lifetime. 1/3 of all DV committed against lesbians were perpetrated by men from previous relationships. In comparison, 99% of DV committed against women in heterosexual relations are perpetrated by men. Taking those out, lesbians experience DV from other women at a slightly lower rate than heterosexual women. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvsogi1720.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:01 AM
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It's a myth or rather misleading. Lesbian relationships do have the highest rates of having experienced DV... but 1) Women are more likely to have experienced DV than men (or at least report) so two women naturally will naturally have a higher % chance that one of them has experienced IPV 2) A significant % of DV perpetrated on lesbian women were committed by men from previous relationships, about 1/3. So taking those out, lesbians experience DV at a slightly lower % than heterosexual women. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:59 AM
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That's not even true for DV
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:54 AM
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Another hilarious and ridiculous hypothetical. It's a nonsensical request that I see no reason to entertain. I'd leave him for having controlling red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:47 AM
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I mean the vast majority of men are taller and stronger than me lol. Like we'd be talking about a very few % of guys at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:38 AM
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