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I didn’t say women don’t care about sex. But if men and women were to make a list of conditions for a relationship, sex would be a few notches higher up on the priority list for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:44 PM
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Its not a 50:50 thing as you’re trying to make it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 07:15 PM
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Im specifically talking about the age old complaints from men in LTRs/marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:19 PM
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I disagree, male/female friendships are inherently imbalanced and unequal imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:53 PM
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True, but men are the ones more often complaining about lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:52 PM
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SHUTUP you poo poo head 😠😖🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:46 PM
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Im pretty sure people include family under the “unconditional love” bundle. But I would argue that most men would not consider romantic love unless sex were included at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:43 PM
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Do men marry women knowing they will NEVER have sex though? Or do they STAY married with the hopes that they will be able to have sex again?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:41 PM
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You’re wrong about one thing, men don’t volunteer for the traditional male role because it makes them feel superior. They do it because it makes them feel useful, and gives them purpose. If the woman is the leader and provider the man usually feels useless, and most women regard him as useless. Hence the whole “we don’t need no man” women’s empowerment choir.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:46 PM
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But would he have ever fallen in love with her if he had never had sex with her, or if she had never met any of the other conditions?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:41 PM
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Im sorry did i say NO men feel this way? In fact i even provided an answer anyway in the response you’re quoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:11 PM
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Not really because i disagree with your claim. I can say however that the men most likely to pursue sex consistently and more exclusively (and so the men mostly likely to end up having sex with women) are more than likely to be primarily interested in their one sided experience of sex, and getting to know the woman and or worrying about her pleasure is of almost no benefit to his immediate goal. So why would he care? If i have a limited amount of time and energy, getting to know a singular woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:55 PM
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So not just husbands but many men in general? Yeah I don’t think you can conclude that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:04 PM
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Im highly doubtful that you have rightly concluded that husbands don’t care whether their wives like to have sex with them, or even enjoy the sex they’re having generally. It is entirely possible that husbands feel that it may not be necessary for their wives to enjoy EVERY sexual experience (mostly because most men’s sex drives are higher than their partner’s), just like the husband does plenty of things he doesn’t enjoy but need to done anyway. But he feels entitled to sex within the context o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:09 PM
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You need to modify your claim. Women are not good at articulating what they find attractive in a way men can understand. Women seem to get it, but they’re not good at empathizing with, understanding, and communicating to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:36 PM
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This has never been my experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:20 AM
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Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:56 PM
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Can’t believe Im saying this but I generally don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here…Man that feels weird
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:46 PM
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If its motivated by appreciation and cooperation then it isn’t selfless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:28 PM
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It’s logical to tell a woman who expects to be with a man that out earns her by a significant margin NOT to invest in her career. Because investing in her career is contrary to her own goals. The toxic part is her expectation to be non traditional and to attract traditional outcomes. If a woman is capable of being with a man that makes as much or less than she does (and most are NOT) she should invest in her career until her heart is content.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:24 AM
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Right
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:36 PM
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The language might be a little dated but I’ve definitely heard guys say things like this before first hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:53 AM
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Is this a real question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:54 PM
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It seems like who women pursue in their young “having fun” phase is not the same guys they settle down with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:49 PM
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This is the most honest real world interpretation of this information
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:14 PM
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I know what i have been doing and have been able to alter my outcomes quite a bit, with some personality adjustments. But my looks have not changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:16 AM
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Just not true. I have always been extremely attractive and i have had an abysmal dating history. Granted i got some dates yes because i was attractive, but not nearly as many as you’d think I’d get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:47 AM
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Then you missed the part where i clarified: the type of shitty personality that typically does not attract women. Usually that means someone socially awkward, lacking in confidence, soft spoken, unsure, lacking in charisma, poor social awareness, etc. These psycho killers/cult leaders are often very charismatic, intelligent, and very good at manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:25 AM
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Who they want to “date” is not the same as who they want to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:58 AM
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A “top tier” guy isn’t just a guy with a better body. A good looking guy with a shitty personality or a mal adjusted temperament is NOT a top tier guy (and by shitty personality I mean the type of shitty that generally DOESN’T attract women)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:22 AM
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Men love women conditionally as well. It just doesn’t SEEM that way because what men bring to the relationship has more to do with what they produce and what women bring has more to do with what they are. But this RP idea that a men love women completely and women don’t/can’t really love men is a bit of an illusion or poor framing. My perspective is that love is an emotion (or set of emotions). Emotions serve a purpose. They are “designed” to compel actions that serve a specific purpose usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:59 PM
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TRP is not about christian values. Its about finding the truth about male nature, female nature, and gender dynamics and using that to do whatever you want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:05 AM
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Thats why the question was “Ideal.” Most people (especially if you’re talking about other countries and other cultures and religious folk) don’t do what they WANT to do. They do what they are supposed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:26 PM
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…Right but you’re missing the point that i don’t think any non-sociopathic (or not religiously captured) guy would describe his ideal woman, but wouldn’t include the condition “she likes me too.” No normal guy’s ideal relationship includes a gun to her head, proverbial or literal. 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:54 PM
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If she doesn’t like you how can she be your ideal woman? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:33 PM
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No definitely not. I’ve always been a really good looking dude, but I had/have a lot of personality issues and anxiety which always made dating an abysmal experience for me. I was able to get better, but I never had the success you think I’d have considering how attractive I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 03:45 PM
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Yeah…no yeah can say both men and women need to be good people, but that will mean different things for both. You can say both men and women need to protect themselves, but that will mean different things for both because society doesn’t see men and women the same way, and there will be different threats both will have to look out for. Men and women will not have all the same experiences, they will not react the same way to those experiences, and society will treat them differently depending on …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:17 PM
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Yeah yeah men have “Power in there voices” Men can also uniquely be victims, but since people are predisposed to see men as perpetrators and “powerful” It’s often on them to take care of themselves. That’s ONE piece of advice boys NEED to hear. People are going to see you as a threat and they generally WON’T want to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:42 AM
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I disagree, there are a few things boys need to hear that are specific to being a man
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:25 AM
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Those sound like points to just being a good person, what specific recommendations would you give for becoming a good man?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 08:38 PM
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The idea that kids can just be gendered according to their sex and the actual boundaries between masculine and feminine are arbitrary is just bit true. They’ve done experiments where even young apes exhibit naturally gendered traits. Just like humans young male are more inclined towards things, and young female apes are more inclined towards faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:38 PM
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So basically you more or less did for the guy what guys are expected to do for the girls and it worked…How is that being a pick-me? Sounds like just being forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:40 AM
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Nothing about Your description of Brad requires him to ACTUALLY cheat in order to get that respect and adoration if the wife. This is such a dumb RP take. Its obvious that Simply being attractive (whatever that means to her) is what continues to make the wife attracted to him. NOT the cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:13 PM
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You should have titled this “what women say they like vs what women actually like vs what men think women like”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:29 PM
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You just described Ned Flanders 🤣 That guy would be described as boring as fuck to most women, especially to most women in my dating pool (if I were still on the market).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:54 PM
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…I mean I’ve looked twice at a headless mannequin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:34 PM
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Why don’t you learn to follow the logic of the argument first. The possible truth of your statement has NOTHING to do with the points i laid out. That statement belongs in a different discussion entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:12 AM
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…what does this have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:35 AM
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You’re just wrong, you’re still assuming that a player DOESN’T feel entitled to sex. That’s an unjustified assumption. There absolutely are players who feel entitled to sex that are pushy, and are able to get a woman to consent to sex she maybe wasn’t sure she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:06 AM
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I’ve heard enough women say they like nice guys while acting with revulsion towards or just ignoring nice guys to still believe they’re actually all lying. I think this is cognitive dissonance. I think this is a conflict between women’s stated desires, and their instinctual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:18 PM
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…no you just restated the nice guy = entitled idea. Both men can be entitled the nice guy evokes the ick and you’re not explaining why you’re just refusing to acknowledge that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:10 PM
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But he wanted sex so he wins…whats going on here why is everyone NOT understanding me here? You’re not even really disputing my points and its not just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:16 PM
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I wouldn’t use those words exactly, but more or less yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:13 PM
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…Yes but why does the trick work for the guy who gets sex, and why doesn’t it work for the nice guy? Because its specifically WHAT the nice guy is doing that is repulsive, thats my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:57 PM
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Both cases the woman is upset, but one case the woman has sex with the man because the strategy works. So the thing women don’t like cant be the strategy in and of itself. Its how the man employs the strategy. The nice guy employs the strategy in a way that repulses the woman. Thats my point. I generally disagree with the “nice guys are entitled” line of thought, but for the sake of this argument there’s nothing in the nice guy’s strategy that is inherently more entitled than the guy’s strategy …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:00 PM
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Not just the gifts, unearned gifts
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:09 PM
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You didn’t really address my main dispute of your point which is that the “secret non-disclosed transactional relationship” is not the thing that a woman finds unattractive, because it can be present in both men that give her “the ick” AND men that she is attracted to and has sex with. It must therefore be something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:34 PM
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Almost every explanation I’ve heard from women or “women-sympathizers” about why women hate nice guys comes across as extremely confabulatory and fallacious. Every single thing that they claim a nice guy does that women find a turn-off is something that guys that routinely get sex from women will do as well (not all some are more up front). For instance “creating a secret non-disclosed transactional relationship in his head” is not a strategy unique to nice guys. There are plenty of women who sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:02 PM
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You’re supposed to be an aggressive bastard who doesn’t allow himself to he ignored 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:38 PM
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I’ve incorrectly used the word “love” while being infatuated. I was raised by parents who were married, Im also currently married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:49 AM
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…No You CAN’T love someone truly if it’s not reciprocated. Reciprocated love is by definition NOT simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:37 AM
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You can’t really just write off “the ick.” Just because people cant really explain it doesn’t make it unjustified. Its an intuitive feeling, and those intuitions usually come from some where. You wouldn’t ask men to start dating fat ugly women they’re not attracted to for the sake of their mental health. Feeling “the ick” is not a choice. I’m extremely skeptical of the example you gave about the guy getting lost. There’s no chance she was completely in love with him before the incident. It sound…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:44 AM
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Yeah thats just not true at all. Any long term relationship is going to require lots of communication. Two people are never going to see eye to eye on everything. If a woman is asking you to communicate that means she feels that the relationship is salvageable. When she STOPS trying to communicate that means it’s over and shes looking for an exit strategy. If you’ve carried this thought process into any relationships you’ve likely inadvertently sabotaged them yourself, before trying to save it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:10 PM
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Its similar but not equal. There isn’t always a direct comparison between the male and the female experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:13 AM
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But there’s a reason why we tend to view fat people as ugly and gross, and thinner shapely people as attractive. Our intuitions towards the unhealthiness of large amounts of fat trips our “disgust” instinct. Same with shapely women. Our intuitions towards more youthful, more shapely women and what that implies about a woman’s ability to safely bear healthy children trips our attractiveness instinct. I think thats why big boobs small waste big hips are preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:06 PM
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https://www.row2k.com/features/5520/ashley-pryor-of-relentless-rowing---there-is-so-much-magic-on-that-water-/ 🤣 to disprove your own argument at the top of the article is a pic of Ash Pryor when she was on the rowing team. She MAY be much bigger now and STILL in great shape because she is such a high level athlete, but she is NOT in HER best shape, and is less healthy than she was at her own peak…Thanks for unintentionally destroying your own argument 😂🤣!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:25 AM
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Oh my bad that wasn’t meant for you, going to delete and repost
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:23 AM
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Fair enough, i think my general point still stands, most guys hear “fat” and they’re not thinking 135, maybe 160, definitely 200+. And the idea that a 200+ lb woman is as healthy as she can be is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:00 PM
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Ok but the scientific category of “obese” starts at like 130 lbs for women. But i think everyone can agree that when they say “overweight” or “fat”they’re generally not thinking of a 130 lbs woman. 130 lbs woman would be more in the “chubby” category if even that. When you’re getting to the 200+ lbs range with the average height of a woman, I’m pretty sure that’s getting to well into unhealthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:47 PM
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I think they can be a useful tool to understand how your partner chooses to express that they care. Often times if people don’t know what to look for they can end up feeling like their partner doesn’t really care, or they can feel like they’re not being appreciated because their partner doesn’t know their love language. My love language is acts of service.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:53 AM
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Men and women have different definitions of “nice guy” and they are often not good at or willing to communicate in a way the other can understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:20 PM
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In my experience women are most receptive to vulnerability after you’ve more or less already dealt with the issue. They like to know whats going on inside of you but are not really comfortable being along for the ride and feeling the insecurity with you. Now is it even really being vulnerable if you have to deal with it alone? Maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:46 PM
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You sure some of those weren’t yellow flags? Red flags tend to be deal breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:41 AM
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Bullshit…if you don’t know WHO the man is and what his intentions are then you especially shouldn’t have his baby. Usually these men already have children they aren’t taking care of. Why would he be different and take care of YOUR child?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:37 PM
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Had a huge crush on an average girl. Probably one if the biggest crushes i ever had. We were both into each other, I made an attempt at asking her out are times but she was really religious. She was just a regular nerdy looking girl, she had a Jamaican accent though…That was my weakness. I ended up marrying an average looking girl, been together 7 years so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:58 AM
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What are you talking about? People don’t choose random children to love? Thats correct the connection is generally between the adult and their progeny. Many parents are not beneficial to their children? Depending on how you’re defining “many” that argument may be irrelevant. Most parents ARE a benefit to their children. If this weren’t true humanity would have died out ages ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:05 PM
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Thats what the child IS, not really a “condition” in this context considering it’s NOT changeable, and/or the benefits received are not affected by anything the child does or doesn’t do. You can argue (and i might agree) that there is an evolutionary benefit for the unconditional nature of the bond, but imo it definitively still is unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:37 PM
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I disagree. There’s a significant portion of the parent/child relationship where the child gives nothing and just takes, yet still the parents feels extremely strong ties to the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:16 AM
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All love is transactional except for that between a parent and a child
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 04:36 PM
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Ok so you don’t have much or any experience with dating or sex so your opinion all but useless. Its one thing to disagree with red pill prescriptions, its another to claim the entire Red Pill is “morally wrong.” What about the Blue Pill lies men are required to accept, is everyone else’s strategies ALSO morally wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:08 PM
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That’s kinda like asking “Why are animals obsessed with eating.” 🤷🏿 Because the animals that weren’t obsessed with it didn’t survive, or the other animals out reproduced them. It seems to be a necessary innate drive, like a survival instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:50 PM
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He could be the odd exception, we also don’t know why he’s with this new woman. Maybe he’s not looking for the hot young thing? More information is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:27 PM
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The point of your post was men don’t notice below average women. “Notice” meaning “are sexually attracted to.” So noticing a woman to finger her or eat her pussy doesn’t make sense given your framing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:28 PM
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Handjob, asshole, blowjob…none of these require a woman to be physically into the guy to engage in. Hell some guys can even cum when shes in the dead starfish position. A man on the other hand must be physically aroused for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:39 PM
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Woman doesn’t NEED to be physically aroused to participate in sexual activity
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:30 PM
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Having money doesn’t make men’s dicks hard
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:20 PM
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…yeah the fact that Lizzo gets sex fairly regularly disproves your entire statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:49 AM
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Not unless he’s a masochist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:29 PM
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Capitalism killed the Red Pill
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:02 AM
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👍🏿 point still stands. sorry for not using a calculator
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:03 PM
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~10,000,000 police:citizen encounters annually ~1000 killed annually, that means 99.9999% of people survive police encounters. We have a very large country with a unique demographic makeup and a unique constitution, id say things are going much better than some would have you believe. Doesn’t mean policing it’s perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:43 PM
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“The government provides for women” the government is not some magical entity it’s an organization that is funded 70% by men’s tax dollars…try again The idea that 27% of women in relationships report being subjected to violence. Well what percentage of those women are violent themselves because statistically most relationships (around 80% I believe) containing intimate partner violence, the violence is bi-directional. Also women are statistically safer than they ever have been in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:14 PM
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No one literally thinks that way thats why that all too common question is so cringe. That doesn’t mean that relationships aren’t transactional. You speak of “love” as if it is a separate thing. Love is simply the result of a successful emotional transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 04:19 AM
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Your question is wrong and selfish. Yes it suits the maximum benefit of a woman to seek the maximum she can acquire from a man. Similarly what incentive is there for a man to commit to a single woman ever. It suits a mans best interest to spread his seed as far and as wide as humanly possible. Surely a few of his seeds will find their way into women smart enough to keep his children alive. Instead what we do is we negotiate. A woman sacrifices perusing the most “impressive” man she can possibly …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 04:16 AM
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Female: Salma Hayek Male: Henry Cavil Im a straight male btw
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:14 PM
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I think there is a female dominance hierarchy just like there a male dominance hierarchy. The female dominance hierarchy is based on beauty. The women are competing for who can get the most “high value man.” It makes perfect sense. Women are extremely cliquish, and actually do most of the bullying and shaming of other women. The status the women hold at the top of the female dominance hierarchy may be BASED on who men find most attractive but it isn’t FOR men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:08 PM
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Pursue for what? Who men follow on instagram, who they jerk it to are not the same women they are trying to marry. Women wear makeup to compete with other women NOT to satisfy the “male gaze”. You feminists cant have it both ways. Cant be both “we don’t wear makeup for you men” AND “men are the reason we women have to wear makeup” Gotta pick one and commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:32 PM
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I personally don’t use “it’s how we evolved” necessarily to say this is how it SHOULD be. I usually use it to combat that notion that “sexism” “misogyny” and “patriarchy” are the causes of our social structures, intuitions and beliefs. Imo if some social structures actually need to change having bad ideas about the origins or those structures will only get us bad solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 08:11 PM
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…Dead starfish is NOT a perfectly fine position for a woman. Any man who believes that, is either a virgin or a psychopath. Also, It isn’t difficult at ALL to please a woman, IF she is attracted to you. As long as you are remotely competent, and responsive, the job is mostly done. The harder part is maintaining frame and keeping her generally attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 12:26 AM
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I never claimed that Gen-Z is gona flip to conservative. But your claim is that BECAUSE young men vote overwhelmingly liberal that basically proves TRP “isn’t working and will never be mainstream.” Thats just not true. If you have Piers Morgan interviewing Andrew Tate and then defending some of his takes in subsequent interviews I’d say a more mainstream TRP doesn’t seem too far off.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:39 PM
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You sited Andrew Tate, Sneako, and JustPearlyThings. Yes I think their target audience tends to be on the younger side. I know for a fact that the black male turnout for Trump increased from 2016 to 2020
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 03:10 PM
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Their target audience isn’t of voting age. We’re not sure how they will vote yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:34 AM
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Women always break their rules for the right guy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:23 AM
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Depends. Just because a man is looking for sex doesn’t mean he is ONLY looking for sex. Its kinda like when you see a YouTube video of a chick with big tits doing something impressive, and the comments section is filled with comments like “came for the tits stayed for the [insert impressive feat]”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:45 AM
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It’s actually not as dumb as you might think it sounds. If a guy is mainly interested in sex and the woman doesn’t just give it to him immediately, that might make him see her as more than just a fun time…thats the thinking at least
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:11 PM
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I never said they have a lot in common or that they have some type of genuine connection. Just that its not a given that he’s lying to her. Her being easier to deal with STILL doesn’t imply he’s lying to her. At least give me an example of some of the lies you think all older men trying to date younger women are telling them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:30 PM
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Never? Are you certain of that? Besides her being easily impressed seems to agree with my point of him NOT having to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:02 PM
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Why is an older man with a younger woman necessarily lying. He could just as easily just be showing her a good time because he is established in his career and can travel and whatnot
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:53 PM
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This is literally one of the dumbest posts I’ve seen here Tell me you’re a loser dork without telling me you’re a loser dork
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:35 PM
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This kinda reads like the millionaire telling all the brokeys how to get money. But all you’re REALLY doing is explaining how YOU made YOUR money. All you have to do is NOT be socially awkward, be really smooth and charming, be attractive, and talk to women. Oh is THAT what I’m doing wrong? Thanx 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:49 AM
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Still life photos are one thing, but as soon as they start talking or moving or mimicking facial expressions it gets weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:56 PM
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Men have active and passive strategies. They’re not always necessarily “trying to smash” but they most likely would if the opportunity presented itself. A man notices a woman is attractive immediately. And any woman a man thinks is attractive is a woman is a woman he would, or has thought if having sex with. Especially if they are close.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:55 PM
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Possibly i think the younger generation might get used to it, but i feel like guys my age will always have that uncanny valley effect Besides who watches porn on 720p anyway 😂🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:33 PM
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Im actually not very worried about the Idea of AI generated porn. Ive seen a few of those AI generated images and they’re really hot, the women are almost TOO attractive. Like unrealistically so. It started to seem weird after a while. I think ultimately human males are attracted to attractive but imperfect human females.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:49 PM
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Racism and sexism are not directly comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:06 PM
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I mean there IS a group of people under the feminist banner arguing for equal outcomes as opposed to simply equal opportunity. That sounds pretty entitled to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:32 PM
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I think often times in men expectation gets misinterpreted as entitlement…most often by women Using a more realistic understanding of entitlement, i would say women on average are FAR more entitled than men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:43 PM
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True i did see that, he also admitted on camera that she’s hit and scratched him before too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:00 PM
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Hmm thats mot the account Id heard. But either way i was initially surprised and disgusted by the amount of women that were STILL thirsting over him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 11:11 AM
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Nah bro…only reason you want mandatory DNA testing is cuz you hate women 🙄 (being ironic btw)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:15 AM
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Come now are you insinuating that women are choosing the wrong guys and having babies early BECAUSE of RP ideologies? So who’s fault was it BEFORE RP theories hit the dating market? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:13 PM
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Yeah I agree there is an opportunity for a shift. And I’m curious to see how it actually plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:07 AM
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On the contrary, I think that feeling useless is a very common masculine insecurity. Feeling useful and feeling useless is very much performative for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:24 PM
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I think redefining masculinity is an important conversation to have. The problem is that those usually trying to have that conversation most often are those infected with misandristic brain rot they’ve caught by ingesting too much feminism. Whereas for toxic femininity? I think that up until recently basic survival has been such a trial that any examination of toxic femininity has been overshadowed by the sheer utility of female biology. Our modern world however is safer and more predictable tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:20 PM
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Yes…yes it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:00 PM
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Because if we’re sticking to the child bearing example ,which I believe is the basis of the masculine and feminine roles, each individual man isn’t nearly as necessary as each individual woman. Quite simply men are more expendable than women in the process of “maintenance of society”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:41 PM
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It makes sense to me. Its not so much that being masculine adds to a woman. More that it doesn’t sufficiently take away from a woman (plus the benefits) Whereas the way people think of what a man is…there’s an ever present aspect of masculinity. If a man is seen to be exhibiting feminine traits it convinces everyone that this man is incapable of performing the necessary tasks of his role when he’s needed to. Being man in general is a precarious thing. I feel like masculinity is like a heavy load…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:29 PM
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I think what I posted generally agrees with what you’ve stated here. There’s much more social acceptance for women who take on masculine things because at the end if the day they still have their immutable characteristics. Where as men who are not good at performing their masculine role are seen as useless, because they are seen as poor examples of both roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:13 PM
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Well society has not just agreed that women bear children. And as the child bearers is it unbelieve-able that women would have a set of other characteristics that would complement bearing children? Or are we to believe that all those characteristics are arbitrarily socially constructed?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:08 PM
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I dont think the thought process is “masculine things are cool” therefore women doing masculine things is celebrated. And what follows is “feminine things are uncool” therefore men doing feminine things is shit on. I think it has more to do with the fact that people tend to think of femininity as more immutable. So doing masculine things doesn’t have an effect on the immutable characteristics of femininity. It just adds to her value as a person. Where as masculinity tends to be more performative…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:38 PM
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Lol for the second scenario, no sex? Well then who’s kids are they? 😂🤣 Because that greatly changes the situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:59 PM
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…Yes I’m a man so everything I say to a woman is necessarily “mansplaining” and sexist and misogynistic apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 07:47 AM
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As the law is written innocent men aren’t supposed to go to jail, but this also sometimes happens. So thats not even the best argument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:23 AM
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I specifically remember a case recently in the US where that very thing happened. The man claimed he hadn’t even had sex with the woman had a negative paternity test and the courts were still requiring him to pay because the mother put him on the birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:50 AM
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Not really true. A mother can (and has) put any random guy as the father on the birth certificate and the courts will order him to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:25 AM
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We have laws against murder not because we think everyone is a murderer but because we acknowledge that murder sometimes happens. Similarly mandatory paternity testing is an acknowledgement that false paternity sometimes happens. I’m for mandatory paternity testing and so is my wife. I don’t need a deep seeded mistrust of women to understand that they are people and people sometimes lie, and that Im not perfect, and I and any man shouldn’t be punished for getting fooled. You might be a man but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:29 AM
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Mandatory paternity tests at birth actually deals with any potential trust issues. By making it mandatory you don’t need to wonder and ask. All insecurity is removed. You know instantly. If you’re certain no biggy. If you’re not the mandatory test is in place. I honestly can’t fathom any resistance to the idea except that women want to be able to lie and cheat and have the poor sap they’re with deal with their mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:07 AM
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Im not dismissing biology, I’m dismissing your solution which makes uninformed assumptions about men and masculinity. In fact men who are raised by women, and without proper male guidance are statistically MORE prone to emotional instability and violent criminal behavior. So it would seem that men DON’T need to be raised like women (because they AREN’T women), but need to be raised to be men by other good men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:00 PM
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No what you’re doing is a kin to seeing the disproportionate number of black people in prison and prematurely assuming that the issue is with black people’s genetics (which is a common thing that racists do by the way) A proper use of data and statistics would compel you to look deeper to see if there are any other factors contributing to these results, or if there are differences between say blacks that commit certain crimes and those that don’t BEFORE you decide on a solution for all black peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:51 PM
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But if its not all men or not most men, then the fact that they are men is NOT the operable data point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:33 PM
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If you acknowledge that a small percentage of men are responsible for these crimes why would your argument be that ALL men should be raised like women then (If that even were a proper solution)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:02 PM
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See this is why men get frustrated listening to “woman speak”. This entire explanation is boiled down to “I don’t want to say this because it sounds vain, so i’ll say this which isn’t TECHNICALLY a lie (and here’s the unspoken part) and if you don’t play along with the lie i will react with hostility towards you as if YOU are being an asshole.” And women will collectively tell and convince themselves of this lie, and this is only one of many topics that follow this pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:42 PM
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True I think it’s unfair to call it rape (even if non-consensual) if the man isn’t fully informed of the woman’s consent status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:28 AM
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I don’t think that’s what usually happens. I think more often the women isn’t fully consenting but just fails to act accordingly or maintain proper boundaries, which leads to a not fully consensual experience, IMO most of these could be prevented by a guy being maybe slightly less pushy and by a woman using more clear communication, and avoiding certain behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:37 AM
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Fresh n Fit are RP frauds simply capitalizing off of Red Pill rage. They’ve set up their little woman hate porn factory that appeals to mostly disaffected young men. They use RP truths to push their own pick up artist lifestyle, which imo contradicts the spirit of the Red Pill. They talk a lot about holding women accountable but are actually cowards who rarely ever hold men accountable especially when they are face to face. I have to admit I was skeptical when I heard they were platforming an ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:27 AM
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That seems doubtful…whats the context in which these comments were made? Was he joking? I can’t stand Fresh And Fit but even I have a hard time believing they would laugh off a serious statement/admission that a man raped white women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:22 PM
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They are sometimes. Thats why escorts are still a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:10 PM
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This such a dumb statement…Thats really all i care to say
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:50 PM
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Why would lions pick off the weak and slow from the herd? Because they’re easier to get and the meat tastes the same 🤷🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:15 AM
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Didn’t Rihanna hit him first?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:34 AM
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There are things worse than violence. Allowing an innocent to be killed and a bad person to live and kill more, because you refused to be violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:58 AM
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Yeah i disagree with Ghandi on this one. According to Ghandi’s philosophy of non-violence it would be better to allow yourself to be killed by a violent assailant than use violence to defend yourself. This would unfortunately allow for an evil person to continue reaping and killing while the good folk get wiped out…with clean consciousnesses of course. Now this might be fine if you believe in reincarnation and an afterlife, but if you’re just a regular non superstitious chap who believes this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:56 AM
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Correcting the title: Men need individual women more than women need individual men. Unfortunately most of what men do for women has been off-loaded to systems and infrastructures, for the sake if efficiency which removes the need for individual men. Women have confused that with the idea that they are completely independent and don’t need ANY men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:06 PM
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Except we are not “equal” or the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:13 PM
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So you expect women do the exact same things that men do to show that they care? Let me try…men don’t communicate as much or in the same ways as women do, therefore men don’t really care about women and their feelings…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:03 PM
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Its only obvious if you’re reading into the studies your own biases. The idea that women don’t really love men and its only men who love women is a dumb claim. It erases the fact that relationships are transactional, but only for men. It paints women’s love as ENTIRELY transactional, and embues men’s love with more than it deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:18 PM
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People keep posting that in here “during intimate acts Men’s oxytocin goes up and Women’s oxytocin goes down” when thats not even what the study you post says. It says women’s oxytocin goes up just not as much and it only references kissing and holding hands… Most of these can be explained without invoking the black pill claim that “women don’t like/love men.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:19 PM
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Yes…In fact I’m ONLY interested in dating/marrying meth addicts 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:20 AM
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Sandwich maker 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:08 AM
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True for some men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:56 PM
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Saying “men are not as emotional as women” is NOT the same as saying “men have no emotions.” In my experience women’s emotions tend to be much more entangled with their general experiences than for men. Men tend to experience emotions but they seem like a separate thing from their actual experience. Women tend to process their emotions and experiences simultaneously. Men tend to separate processing their experiences from processing their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:25 PM
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Nah disagree…I think what makes one successful in dating carries to where ever you are. You wouldn’t go from laying 350 a year to incel. It might be more difficult to get women but you wouldn’t just get none. The combination of physical attributes, natural social aptitude, and confidence required to have a lot of success in dating will allow one to adapt. An incel is usually lacking the social aptitude, I’m not sure that can be learned or faked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:47 AM
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Someone responded to a comment YOU left with a link so i know you’re full of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:35 PM
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A link has already been posted, and you’re still missing the point.THIS IS LEGAL FRAUD. The fact that you continually ignore this proves you’re not arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:14 PM
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I would disagree. I think the priority has never really been creating a fair system, but protecting and providing for women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:13 PM
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What are you not getting? The OP’s general statement is “men should be responsible for child support.” The LAW has set a precedent for an adult women being entitled to child support from her underage rape victim…these topics are the related.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:54 PM
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I understand that none of these would be EASY solutions, but they are things to consider. Im not yet convinced that they are entirely unworkable. I am convinced that society at large, women and even most men who see other men as competition don’t care enough about individual men to even begin to consider these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:46 PM
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Oh ok so that type of paternity fraud should be legal because it ONLY affects athletes and millionaires ok thats fair… because once you become rich fuck you you’re not a man anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:35 PM
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A topic can be in more than one conversation at once. If an adult woman has sex with an under age boy and she gets pregnant and the law says that boy needs to pay child support (and there IS legal precedent), its a rape topic AND a child support topic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:12 PM
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1 - semen snatching is the the only form of paternity fraud, its just the most shocking 2 - women DO get to opt out of their parental responsibilities, they have several ways to do so. 3 - rethinking the gov’t benefits single mother receive, i believe, is a conversation worth having. Maybe if women couldn’t depend on being rescued by the gov’t it would compel them to make different decisions about when and how they decide to become mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:09 PM
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Its prevalent enough that athletes are routinely warned to dispose of their condoms. And like i mentioned in my post “how often does that REALLY happen” is not the point. The point is that there are no legal consequences for it, and are actually financial rewards, which creates a positive incentive for fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:03 PM
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I can think of a several things off the top of my head. 1 - Legalize abortion: I believe its a terrible thing but that women should have the option. 2 - create or enforce paternity fraud laws. This would discourage and criminalize “semen snatching. 3 - they could have some type of voluntary surrender of paternity right similar to what women have. 4 - they may also have to adjust or rethink the government benefits single mothers receive. These things would even out the field and remove women’s in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:02 PM
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Yes, another horrifying blindspot in the law’s attempt to protect and provide for women. And “well men made the laws” Is NOT an adequate response.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:46 AM
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This is one of those discussions where try as i might i can RARELY get a woman to engage honestly and or fairly. This is NOT a 50/50 situation. Women have considerably more power, more options, and they have the law on their side. A woman can choose to or not to have the child, she can choose to or not to be a mother with little or no legal consequences. A man has none of these choices, no power here. Plus the “If you don’t want a kid don’t have sex” line falls flat when LEGALLY a woman can stea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:42 AM
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Honestly I was a pretty handsome guy so i didn’t run into too many women outside my range. Also since women tend not to want to make the first move, most of the women who were confident enough to approached me were pretty attractive. There were a few times a had to reject someone though, since i have issues with confrontation, i chose the ghosting route. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:47 AM
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I think the times where the rejection has been the worst has been when someone has reached outside of the reasonable range of attractiveness. By reasonable range I’m speaking about the general principle that states you only ask out someone within 1-2 points of your “attractiveness level” In my experience if a woman who’s a 6-7 rejects a man who is a 6-7 or a 5-6 she tends to be more gentle than say if a 4 asked her out. Part of it is that she feels insulted, and also there is a social cost she p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:17 PM
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No I think you’re trying to imagine something like the “toilet argument.” Toilet isn’t the most important part of a house or even the point of buying a house but without a toilet a house is unlivable. That makes sense. OP is stating sex is THE most important part of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:26 PM
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That example actually proves my point, you can remove the heart and lungs and still be alive, provided you have the proper machinery. The brain? Not so much
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:43 PM
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Yeah this simply isn’t true and stinks of someone who has no idea how emotions actually work, or is simply lying to themselves to try to excuse any potential bad behavior. People get manipulated all the time. I myself (a man) have social anxiety and issues with confrontation and have been convinced to do things I really didn’t want to do, things that made me feel uncomfortable, just because i didn’t want to seem like an asshole and say “No” to someones face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 09:40 PM
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The issues aren’t the problem, expecting everyone to have a perfect upbringing is unreasonable. It’s imo, have you acknowledged and/or dealt with those issues, or am i going be subjected to those unresolved issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 08:05 PM
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Yes in that situation she has a reasonable enough advantage to either discourage him from continuing to attack me and/or dispatch him before he has a chance to get close to her and/or attack her And my concern is not just her ability to help. It’s weighing her ability to help vs the chance of her getting hurt. The higher the chance of her getting hurt the less I want her to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 07:53 PM
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“Easily prevent it?” If its so easy why can’t he do it. The expectation here is that this is a life threatening situation. That implies it will be dangerous for either of them, and more dangerous for her since shes a woman and weaker. Most men don’t date because they want their physical equal. They don’t look for fighting partners they look for their compliment. And their desire to protect their partner supersedes their desire for a little help. Imo women (in terms of physical confrontations) ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 06:30 PM
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Generally speaking, No i would not expect my wife to help me in a life threatening physical confrontation. For the most part because she would be relatively ineffective and would have a higher risk of being a distraction and getting herself hurt and or getting me or both of us hurt. There are rare instances in which i would expect her help. She is not my equal in this regard. In the situation you described I would NOT expect my wife to help me fight a crazed man, she could lock the doors, call t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 06:18 PM
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You didn’t answer anything, you evaded but it’s cool. Talking to other human beings is difficult sometimes…i get it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 05:52 PM
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…🙄 ok bruv
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 05:49 PM
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Why do i feel like your responses are almost incomprehensible like your barely responding to what I’m saying…I never mentioned personality disorders. Personality disorders aren’t they only recipe for a toxic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 05:32 PM
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I didn’t say sex is the reason why a relationship goes up in flames. My implication was that thinking sex is THE most important part of a relationship can trick you into thinking BECAUSE you have good sex you have a good relationship, when in reality the sex is usually masking tons of red flags and a lack of various other factors required for a healthy relationship. There are plenty of toxic relationships where the sex is incredible. The best sex i ever had is with a woman I would never want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 05:17 PM
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Yes YES! They are afraid of fire 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:52 AM
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Throw rocks at the ugly ones!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:45 AM
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No its not…Its AN important part, but not THE most important part. Believing sex is THE most important part of a relationship is why most relationships go up in flames. Because theres nothing to hold two individuals together who probably shouldn’t be together but sex. Thinking that sex is what gets you through tough times, fights, and hardships is ridiculously juvenile.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:29 PM
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Simple answer? Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:01 PM
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This picture doesn’t actually show a woman being affectionate with the child ”also”. It shows a woman with a hard face who is detached from her child walking ahead of her child barely holding the fathers hand. She’s charging forward completely disengaged with the child. Of course we could be reading in, be knowing the media and its bias this seems like a clear re-enforcement if the feminist messaging that feminine women = bad and masculine women = good
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 06:21 PM
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It’s not about “what people choose” its about what media is pushing onto people who consume it. Especially in recent times, of all the media targeted specifically at black people how many positive portrayals of masculinity can you name. Fathers, leaders, mentors, etc. how man black men are portrayed as toxic, abusive, violent, insufficient, no good, broke, followers, fuck boys? Now do the flip side. How many times are black women cast as dynamic, powerful, righteous, survivors, intelligent, stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 06:11 PM
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It’s not about jealousy, I’m not a jealous man. It’s a violation. And my wife would see it the same. Mother’s Day? Sure that’s different. Valentine’s Day? inappropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:58 AM
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Yeah the fact she was proud of the gifts Ava showing them off, means she’s not over him and you likely avoided a headache.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:07 AM
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Bull…there are no “thoughtful and sweet” gestures between 2 people that use to have sex that doesn’t necessarily reference the past relationship. If it use to be romantic, it will always be romantic. Roses is inappropriate from an ex and is a direct violation of her current situation and was disrespectful to her new partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:05 AM
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Yes they have arranged marriages but does that mean every man gets a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:57 AM
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What are some of these traditional cultures of marriage where every man gets a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:38 AM
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Its a bad solution to a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:24 AM
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Ahh i see, I’d heard the term (madonna-whore complex) thrown around before but never quite looked into out until now. Still it seems like a rarity than a more general RP sentiment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:10 AM
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Yeah those are caricatures of opinions i haven’t stated
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:05 AM
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I AM an RP man and i reject your framing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:08 PM
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So whats your point? That the true definition of a whore is a woman who will sleep with absolutely anyone? Well no i don’t think thats what anyone means when they call a woman a “whore”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:04 PM
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No not at all. Same way that if you spit your own gum out you’ll pick it up and put it back in your mouth, but if you pass by gum that someone else has spit out you wouldn’t dare put it in your mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:00 PM
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How do you figure? A woman whos willing to sleep with many men still will have preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 10:52 PM
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There has NEVER been a time in history or tradition where EVERY man has had a wife. Haven’t something like only 40% of men procreated historically? Besides this is a solution that ensures sex for all men but would basically make women sex slaves (or at least potential sex slaves) with no real choice and no real shot at happiness, I wouldn’t want that for my sisters, or daughters. This is a solution a computer would come up with, not an actual person with human emotions and empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 10:49 PM
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So you disagree with OP’s framing that “often horrible men are great at hiding their red flags”?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:40 AM
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Guys like future the rapper exist in real life and like him have multiple children by multiple women. This contradicts the whole “bad guys are nice and charming” line of thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 07:34 PM
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Horrible men are great at hiding red flags? First off we’re not talking about the highly charismatic psychopaths, those people are like a fraction of a percent of the population. We’re talking about bad guys with OBVIOUS red flags that directly contradict a woman’s stated preferences. Most bad guys are NOT nearly as good at hiding red flags as you’ve stated here. I know of a few people personally who are terrible, some unemployed, criminal records, poorly regulated behaviors, all of them have mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 07:32 PM
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Oh yes I like her as well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:18 AM
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I think my official intro to the RP was a book called The Myth of Male Power by Warren Ferrel, then a while later i found Karen Straughan, whose been making really good YouTube content for at least the past 11 years or so, though shes slowed down in the last few years
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:02 PM
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…This is a terrible question to ask to women (especially of this sub)🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:52 PM
2

…so like 2 blowjobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:55 PM
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If you’re going to rule out sex acts shouldn’t you rule out food dates, because eating is an everyday occurrence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:54 PM
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Attempting suicide is not the the same as committing suicide. Women are less likely than men to make SSA “serious suicide attempts. IMO Women’s suicide “attempts” are more often a cry for help. Men are less likely to cry for help because they’re less likely to GET help due to the gender empathy gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:11 PM
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Not true at all. When a woman STOPS complaining its over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:19 AM
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Neither is someone who breaks up every time a woman voices a concern or that they’re dissatisfied. LTRs are never “perfect.” And the fact that she even tells you there’s a problem means there’s a chance to save the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:15 AM
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Not at all, theres a difference between venting your frustrations and having a constructive conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 05:03 PM
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Well obviously a term like “cock carrousel” is reserved for certain arenas, and you alter how you talk depending on who you’re talking to, and what your intent is. You don’t talk to your boys the same way you talk to your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:00 PM
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What about a self respecting woman who doesn’t think “sexism” is the big bad that YOU think it is and is fine with gender roles. And what exactly have I said that’s chauvinistic or misogynistic. Also I’ve never cheated, I have been cheated on though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:34 PM
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The RP/Manospehere is responsible for ALL the conversations not just the “good“ conversations. I still see that as a win
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:04 AM
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…right and Piers Morgan interviewed Andrew Tate twice because it was a waste of time. Not a fan, but you cant argue with the fact that enough people are making noise and others are starting to listen. Even political talking heads on the left are starting to ask questions like “are men getting left behind?” 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:33 AM
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Still a lot to debate there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:34 AM
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I doubt we have consensus on just what qualifies as misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:57 AM
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That’s usually because the people bringing it up aren’t trying to have a good faith discussion about mental health. They’re usually using it as a form of attack. Besides there are just as many dysfunctional women out there. All the issues impacting men likely have some impact on women as well, its just that bringing up any issue with women tends to get you called a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:18 AM
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That’s a major over-statement. The “mainstreaming” of the RP/manosphere seems to disprove your assertion. Sure this sub may be a little dysfunctional at times, but that’s a consequence of people refusing to have these conversations in more “respected” medium
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:14 AM
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Right but your claim is that contentment is better because it’s more sustainable than happiness. My claim is that the greater potential in happiness compensates for the lack of sustainability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:52 PM
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Sure you may not be able to be in a constant state of happiness, but happiness represents a potential that’s much greater than contentment will ever reach
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:34 PM
2

Is contentment the same as happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:22 PM
1

Finances seems like big factor still
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:22 AM
1

Does that take into account failed marriages? Are there statistics on specifically successful marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:50 AM
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Your statement seems to be true for sex not for marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:54 AM
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So they’re skipping over younger women? Because older women are MORE attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:59 PM
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Sure so they can fuck, younger guys are more concerned with fucking that anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:47 PM
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Do you have examples that aren’t celebrities because I’m having hard time buying that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:46 PM
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Younger men are out here pursuing marriage and family with these cougars? Or trying to recreate their pornhub fantasies?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:38 PM
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See now YOU have switched from “attractiveness” to men making practical pairing decisions. No guy pops a hard-on at the thought of a woman’s stock portfolio. They see tits and ass
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:31 PM
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No you’re original statement was: the average woman is high value compared to the average man. We’re not talking about “higher value.” If i have $1 and you have $50, your dollar amount may be higher than mine but that doesn’t make you a rich man. This is much the same. Higher value does NOT equal high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:21 PM
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No women are not generally valued by men for their utility and earning power. And attraction for women tends to encompasses more than just physical attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:18 PM
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It absolutely matters, if men of low status are clambering to date some crack whore she doesn’t magically become high value
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:09 PM
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In terms of attractiveness maybe but men are also valued for their utility, earning power, status
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:03 PM
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Define “date” and what men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:02 PM
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I don’t think high value is comparative. Is an attractive stripper high value compared to a methed out cracked out toothless homeless man? No they are both low value
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:40 PM
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Yes, but women start sooner than men with value and so their value usually diminishes before mens
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:38 PM
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And mature marriage minded women who want children. And i don’t necessarily mean “mature” as in age but mature as in clear thinking, though most modern women dont reach that level of mature thinking until they begin to age out if the “hot girl” phase
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:19 PM
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Sure, they would prefer a man in their age group, with the status, wealth, and maturity that tends to come with men NOT in their age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:09 PM
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What are you actually getting at, what claim are you disputing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:59 PM
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What do you mean? This isn’t a team sport…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:43 PM
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I think you’re mistaken. PPD men agree that attractive 35 year old men can and do sometimes pursue 18-22 year old hot women, especially for sex Younger men also will pursue attractive older women…for sex. Marriage and family is a different story
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:34 PM
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The fact that a majority of men (RP men included) would jump at the chance to have a sexual relationship with a select few exceptionally attractive older female celebrities, does not detract from the fact that the average older woman is of diminishing value to the average man interested in marriage and family. Whereas the average older man maintains and or builds upon his value to the average marriage minded woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:28 PM
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I would probably agree with the OP statement. Yes women generally prefer a man in their age bracket…who has the qualities that tend to be associated with men older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:22 PM
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You could argue there ARE enough high value men. Not every woman is entitled to a high value man. Only high value women “deserve” high value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:27 PM
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Don’t engage in shit testing, don’t play the games. Setting a precedent for playing games early on is how you ensure drama later-on. Just be honest don’t try to “pass the test” don’t be afraid to call out bullshit. If you lose her, you did yourself a favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 02:36 PM
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Isn’t there a meme out there of a potato with some makeup and fake lashes…that potato looks fuckin GORGEOUS…🤨 lets keep it 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:31 AM
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Traditionalism IS your protection against “pump and dump techniques.” What man interested in quick sex and an exit is going to swindle you into a long term exclusive relationship and then propose a legally binding life long commitment that places him at a financial disadvantage. I think your fears are unfounded
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:24 AM
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It ain’t about you anymore once you have the kids. If you think it should be then you probably shouldn’t have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:29 AM
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Careful…those types of relationships burn out quickly. Hot and fast 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 08:26 PM
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Wrong…a woman who puts any man even the father of her children before the children is a bad person. Everyone’s priority is to the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:05 PM
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All your long relationships that you’re no longer in? Got it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:52 PM
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I guarantee a couple that has been together for years/decades don’t have the same type of “lust” or “happiness” that they would describe when they are younger. Part of the longterm happiness, I imagine comes from abandoning the pursuit of the “excitement” most women claim to want from their relationships. My parents have been married for over 40 years. They are very much still in love, but their relationship is fairly monotonous and boring in comparison to the expectations of the average person …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:38 PM
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Pursuing “excitement” and fleeting “happiness” does not a healthy relationship make…where does that leave us. There’s gotta be a compromise somewhere. Im not one for forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to do but the solution cant be to say “yeah women just aren’t attracted to most men” 🤷🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 07:31 PM
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I’ve had plenty of female friends. Subs like have nothing to do with men not having enough interaction with women. Subs like this exist because of systemically and chronically low empathy for the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:53 PM
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Aren’t those guys usually complaining about getting friend-zoned?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:37 PM
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…the simplest explanation is NOT that their tastes inexplicably change. The simplest explanation is they stay the same and their options change.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:03 PM
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Lol thats a beautiful love story. My wife use to sneak onto my PC and play Conan Exiles, and the Division 2, so i had to build her her own PC. Now we play together, with my friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:53 AM
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🤷🏿 I game quite a bit, Gaming is what got me into IT. Gaming got me a solid group of friends that i game with on a regular basis and hang out with every once in a while. Taking a break from working out because my schedule is changing, my wife games as well, and we just bought our dream home (or at least what WILL be eventually). I reject your premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:49 AM
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It’s baffling how women don’t understand this. The idea that “it’s a win” shows utter self interest for women and a complete lack of empathy for men and what THEY want and care about. A woman who has been through the “just having fun” phase hooking up with guys she’s viscerally attracted to, (leaving a trail of failed relationships, pregnancy scares, possible children, etc) only to decide later on after she’s no longer the best, most beautiful, most trauma-free version of herself to get hitched …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:19 PM
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First off no one said “evil.” Reckless? definitely, selfish? sure, entitled? absolutely. I think most modern women who actively participate in the hookup culture have adopted a more masculine style of “dating” which doesn’t really include a deliberate attempt to find a match. Its all about “having fun” and recklessly using your body to catch a good man, which is actually how you repeatedly find the opposite (as many women have complained about).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 04:15 PM
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So why would she waste her time and youth letting all these subpar men blast off inside of her…and how would that make her a “win” for the man, after shes given up on the streets?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:43 PM
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Wrong on multiple levels. The guy that gets a beat up old pair of hand me down shoes isn’t “winning.” He would much rather get a new pair. What a woman is doing during her “Hoe Phase” is hooking up with guys that she is viscerally attracted to. If it were her choice she would likely have gotten hitched to one of those men if they were suitable mates (there’s a broader conversation to be had about what psychologically is going on in the minds of women who view a man as not suitable for marriage, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:38 PM
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Ive never actually been rejected in a mean way. Every-time I’ve been rejected its always been in a fairly kind way. Even in high-school when i got my heart broken when an upper-class-men that id liked for a long time and started kinda going out with ditched me to go to prom with a another guy because he had a car, she was nice about it. She even apologized afterwards because she regretted it, but no girl/woman has ever been mean to me really.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 09:41 PM
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I don’t see men bringing up issues men face as a way to diminish issues women face. To me it seems like men are going through life and it sucks from time to time but we push through anyway. And when we hear women complaining and saying what needs to happen we’re like…hold on it sucks for us too why are you complaining and requiring US to do something to fix your shit when you couldn’t care in the slightest about what we’re going through?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 02:52 PM
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Funny you bring up the Salem Witch Trials considering the majority of the accusers turned out to be women. There seems to be a habit of men diminishing or understating female threats (Im not even sure how this fits into your OP it just stood out as i was reading and i felt like responding with it.) Part of the problem is that women are programmed to see threats even when there are none, and men are programmed to ignore threats that come from women. That might explain in part why “misogyny” is se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 03:16 AM
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You would have to suspect first, and if you’re in France getting a paternity without moms consent can land you in jail
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:37 PM
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Id say its worse for the woman to get pregnant by another man because she can lie and say the baby is his and he’d be stuck with it. If the man tries to lie and say the baby is hers…? Well she’d have to be severely retarded…or highly superstitious to believe THAT lie. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:24 PM
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Women = lower tolerance for BS. Lesbian relationships = higher chance of divorce. Lesbian relationships = eliminates the male variable. Possible conclusion more intolerable BS on average in lesbian relationships. Also possible conclusion women on average = poor mate selectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:27 PM
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It also seems to suggests that you have 2 people more likely to select a partner/relationship that is more likely to contain enough bs to necessitate a separation/divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:16 PM
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Its so fucked up too because i don’t think even a lot of women understand what’s going on inside their own thought processes. I was watching this podcast about hookup culture, all the girls on the panel were young and attractive. And one of the girls said something that blew my mind. Now all the girls participated in hookup culture, some more enthusiastically than the others, but one that admitted she reluctantly participated in hookup culture actually said that she actually likes nice guys, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:36 PM
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OP is a little pointless. The idea that “perhaps because you don’t see women as equal partners, and fully autonomous strong independent queens and princesses is possibly why you don’t get attention from women” is a bit ridiculous. It completely ignores the fact that some of the biggest chauvinists, most egotistical misogynists, some of the men with the WORST opinions of women are consistently viewed as attractive and able to get sex and maintain relationships with women. Jesus felons and murdere…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:45 PM
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Ah yes the response a woman leaves when she can’t dispute the truth. Right up there with “who hurt you”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:10 PM
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Thats not a rebuttal No it just annoys me when people keep bringing this topic up and pointing the finger at the scary violent “entitled incels”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:59 AM
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Oh I don’t deal with those types of people irl anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:26 PM
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On the one hand I reject the entire premise of your claim. On the other, if the left weren’t being such unempathetic dicks to men there’d be less of them falling in with the right
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:23 PM
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Well unfortunately ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:09 PM
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Whenever there is a conversation about relationships and a modern woman is involved it inevitably comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:43 PM
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…I will, give me all their email addresses 😑
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:04 PM
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I’m fine with accepting this. Now send the memo out to women to stop bitching and moaning about the “narcissists”, and fuck boys, and trash men they’ve consented to being ran through by, only to dump all that trauma onto the guy she decides to settle for later on that hasn’t contributed to any of her trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:51 PM
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Cop out. People can often give reasons that make sense to them internally but aren’t the actual reason. Especially if their actions seem to contradict the stated reason. Sorry if I’m being “emotive” but being accused of endorsing rape out of NO where is a little jarring
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:37 AM
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And show me in my comment where i suggested you SHOULD force yourself to have sex with someone you DON’T want to… Im suggesting the reasoning doesn’t match women’s actions so its probably NOT the actual reason
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:27 AM
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No where did I suggest ANYTHING non-consensual. Im basically saying that the argument OP made about trauma makes no sense considering women will consent to sex with men THEY have defined as not worthy and then complain about those men later which ACTUALLY causes them trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:18 AM
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Who the fuck said anything about being raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:56 AM
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Or that women are pursuing a small Minority of shitty men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:34 AM
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Nope i just think OP is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:21 PM
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The “trauma” and the its “access to someones body” angle would make more sense if women WEREN’T openly admitting to having sex with men who, by their own words, aren’t good enough for a relationship. Only to complain about ALL men (not the shitty men they’ve given their bodies to) later on and talk about how “men are trash.” That actually sounds like a recipe for trauma 😬.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:46 PM
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“Work on yourself bro” is not advocating for replacing a desire for intimate companionship with hobbies and a career. Its an acknowledgment that WANTING something doesn’t necessarily get you closer to it. In terms of relationships the desperate WANTING, actually gets you farther away from it. The “work on yourself bro” recommendation is actually the last part of a sentence thats starts with: “In order to have a shot at getting what you want in the future you have to give up the desperate desire …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:44 PM
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Sounds like you might be a psychopath…Ain’t no fixing that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:36 AM
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…your evolutionary history is oh so questionable at best. To say the least i don’t think monogamy was big with our ape ancestors. And theres NEVER been a time where every man was guaranteed a wife. Historically less than half of the male population even procreated…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 09:58 PM
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I mean this is a bit of a wonky hypothetical, considering theres absolutely NO way to fail at everything, but still be attractive to women. But if I had to choose between these two options I would choose success in everything BUT relationships, just because I personally would have a hard time living with the fact that the entirety of my identity revolves around a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:33 AM
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I think men are less concerned with women settling for them in general, and more concerned with WHEN they settle. Most guys here don’t like to be settled for AFTER she’s been with every Chad, Dick, Harry, Pookie, Ray Ray and Tyrone in her 20s. Most guys KNOW they aren’t the best hottest richest coolest guys out there. They just want to be secure in their women’s commitment to them. They don’t really care if she settles for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 05:51 PM
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Pure delusion…No different from the feminists screaming from the roof tops “I’m too busy for a relationship.” The idea that you can have hobbies and friends and a job and the only thing you need a woman for is sex and “passion” is utterly ridiculous and honestly sounds theoretical and not actually based in reality at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 01:44 AM
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No…its way more common for men of various relationship status to go to strip clubs and to hire escorts or have mistresses, far less common for men to wife the stripper or escort or mistress. Marrying a woman that has been around is quite different
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:56 PM
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Knowing guys that have married women some people think are whores is not exactly synonymous with Kanye’s situation and still isn’t the same as what OP is describing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:35 PM
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I think Kanye is a bad example and is an exception. The examples in OP are not even the ones you’re taking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:13 PM
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Doubtful are there any stats to back up that claim? I have a hard time believing that lots of men are leaving their wives to marry strippers whores and onlyfans thots…especially rich guys
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:59 PM
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Are these men leaving their wives for these whores or just having a little fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:13 PM
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Well the complaint about not wanting to be the “boyfriend material” guy has nothing to do with men not wanting relationships. It has to do with men feeling like the women don’t DESIRE them but are just being with them. The thinking is the guy they desire is the guy they fuck, the “boyfriend material” guy is the guy they made wait, but keep around to take them places and pay for things and give them attention, but they don’t REALLY desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:11 PM
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You’re missing the point on purpose. I WOULDN’T look like a violent maniac because Im not doing anything in this hypothetical. Im just stating the likely turn of events
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 06:13 AM
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The Red Pill doesn’t promise anything. The Red Pill is just truth…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:46 AM
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She parrots any feminist talking points
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 03:02 PM
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Basically solve your problem first, then share it. I agree this is the best way to be open with your woman, but thats not truly being vulnerable. At the end of the day you’re still alone with your problems and its you alone who has to solve them. Telling her about it does nothing for you but makes HER feel like “you’re opening up.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:57 PM
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My recommendations are based on “red pill doctrine.” Being vulnerable with the right male friends and expressing your emotions in a healthy manner IS in line with RP truths. Thinking your woman is your therapist and that she wants to hear your deepest darkest fears and insecurities, is NOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:19 PM
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I never recommended bottling up anything. I even said you SHOULD talk about your feelings. That in and of itself doesn’t imply true vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 11:29 AM
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Right…mother dying is probably one of the few universally tolerated instances a man can be actually vulnerable…lol you’re only allowed to care that much about another woman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:18 AM
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Married TRP here: My wife knows I’m red pill (well purple pill). We have RP conversations from time to time and while we don’t agree on everything, we have enough agreement on many of the important foundational concepts. And shes generally receptive to a logical argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:15 AM
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Well if you’re giving general advice for young men trying to navigate the intricacies of dating, you speak in terms of generalities not exceptions. And in general women don’t like, can’t handle male vulnerability. So a better strategy is to find other avenues of dealing with your stuff rather than leaning on your female/potential female romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:09 AM
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The part you’re missing is that Women generally DON’T want their man to be vulnerable despite what they say. Its a practically universal experience for men who have been completely vulnerable with a woman they liked to have her retract and lose attraction for him. My red pill advice wouldn’t be to “bottle it all up, but to deal with it however you need to. Women don’t like fully vulnerable men, they like bite-sized, prepackaged morsels of vulnerability that you give to them, to make them feel sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 09:39 PM
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Your woman is NOT your therapist. Sad to say but I’m not sure you can EVER truly be vulnerable with your woman if you want her to stay. That doesn’t mean you can’t share your feelings with her, be honest with her, even shed a tear from time to time. But being completely vulnerable? No that requires a lot of history for a relationship to withstand that. Never with a girlfriend and probably only on rare occasions with a wife and under certain circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:19 PM
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I was obsessed with a girl that I wasn’t initially physically attracted to. It never turned into anything because she was really religious and spurned all of my advances. It wasn’t like she was ugly though, she just was just kinda nerdy and not “conventionally attractive”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:39 PM
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…is that even a thing? How “high value” can a woman be if she’s fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:43 PM
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Yeah…something is going on this is NOT just the result of a lot of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:41 PM
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I mean did she just have a baby, like yesterday? This is like one of those “Tell me you’ve never seen a vagina without telling me you’ve never seen a vagina” This is CLEARLY not normal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:02 PM
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…No they don’t. That’s not a 23 year old 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 07:45 PM
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How many poors actually have loving relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:48 PM
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True and the women who get the most attention usually develop into the worst most entitled, most arrogant, least accountable…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:54 PM
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I don’t think divorce is necessary for the point I’m making. People will stay married for any number of reasons, happiness is not always one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:48 PM
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That doesn’t prove white women are pleasant, just that black men are poorer on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:32 PM
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…yes you can
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 07:55 AM
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I bet theres some study we can find that shows they have the most miserable marriages though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:53 AM
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Yep poor asian men…guess they’ll just have to wipe their lonely tears with all those piles of money they’ve accumulated …Joking…kinda
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:34 AM
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Cuz they’re getting sick of white women’s shit too 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:26 AM
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Arrogant and unaccountable…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:25 AM
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…Yeah white women are kinda terrible, even white men are starting to get sick of them 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:24 AM
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Thats in fact YOUR position that attractiveness revolves around singular individual opinions…Im disagreeing with you. I believe that beauty is defined by consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:50 AM
7

You’re right that the 1-10 system is insufficient. I prefer the Patrice O’Neal’s 30 point scale containing 3, 10 point scales/categories (ugly, average, gorgeous). But to pretend as of beauty is completely subjective is also wrong. There is usually a fair amount of consensus within a point or two
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:43 AM
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No that’s not the way it works. If you like someone thats a 4 or 5 you just like a 4 or a 5. Liking them doesn’t make them more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:25 AM
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Beauty is not entirely relative. And if a few people (ie the exception) rate her an 8, that still doesn’t make her an 8
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:02 AM
2

Still deflecting, not sure why
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:11 PM
6

Then convert it to your unit of choice, you have reddit so I’m assuming you have google too wherever you are
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:08 PM
3

…Deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:52 PM
21

Healthy weight for a woman 5’5” is between 114-144 lbs…shes a healthy weight
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:54 PM
9

It ABSOLUTELY CAN work miracles. Some of that shit you guys do with all the foundation and conturing is straight SORCERY, let’s keep it 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:49 PM
6

Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:25 PM
2

Woman in the picture is confusing value with SMV. Sexual history absolutely affects a woman’s SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:44 PM
34

She’s not a 10, a 9, or an 8…And I’m not one of those guys that rates women low just to make a statement, those guys annoy me. Whoever rated her a 10 was simping SUPER hard
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:14 PM
1

You people don’t understand the definition of “entitlement.” If you feel entitled to something you DON’T expect to have to do anything to get it. You feel it is inherently yours. If you are willing to work for something and you don’t get what you’ve EARNED you feel disrespected and cheated. The problem is not “nice guys feel entitled” The problem is nice guys have been lied to about what women want, and they’ve been lied to about how to get women. And this idea that “true goodness comes from wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:24 PM
1

So she likes rough play what’s the big deal…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:38 AM
2

No not self defense. Just another unfortunate case of bi-directional violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:19 AM
1

…really 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:45 PM
3

…So because he’s stronger and better at punching, and shes softer and bruises easily she doesn’t have a responsibility to control her violent outbursts? I believed the news at first, and then i heard his side of the story and it was believable. It also agrees with what we statistically know about domestic violence. That most of it goes both ways. And women are more likely to initiate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:56 PM
2

Everyone is objectified. Women? Usually sexually. Men? Generally as utilities. Difference is people don’t tend to give a fuck about men…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:17 PM
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Ok so he can hit back just not full force? Got it, I call that compromise. So we agree He did nothing wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:07 PM
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No we don’t hit kids because they’re underdeveloped humans, and generally incapable of making rational decisions. If you are an adult and you engage in physical violence with a larger adult you don’t have the right to cry foul when you lose. Just because you’re weaker doesn’t mean you don’t have to control yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:56 PM
1

She hit him first, the abuse was mutual, you can’t blame him For being bigger and stronger than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:46 PM
1

Too bad it took you so long to realize this. As soon as I actually saw Tate speak i knew exactly what he was. Another loud mouth fake using RP truth to enrich himself and get attention. I don’t know if the allegations are true, but the fact that police have arrested/investigated him multiple times at least says to me he’s playing lose with the rules. Im no Leftist SJW either i consider myself OG RP, been RP since before it was cool. And even if the chargers are dropped I still see Tate as a loud…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:48 PM
3

No one on here claims a 20 year old kid filled with testosterone is a bastion of logic and critical thinking, and none of the comments you cited are making any claims about value, they’re strictly talking about mens desire for sex. This post is largely full of straw-man arguments. And i especially enjoy how you took an RP example of bad debate behavior and grabbed it as “toxic masculinity.” Choosing bad men is NOT toxic masculinity. It is the propagation of toxic masculine traits through toxic f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:51 PM
5

You guys gotta get your lines straight. One day you guys will say “guys will fuck anything” And now it’s “guys are ONLY attracted to super photoshopped highly edited egirls, they can’t even bust a nut to a real woman” It’s such a ridiculous line of argument considering almost every RP guy in here will complain about how average girls over value themselves because through social media they’re able to get more attention then they naturally would. The assumptions in op are absolutely false. What i …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 12:37 PM
2

There’s a difference between being “against open relationships” and believing people are delusional in thinking open relationships is a good longterm solution
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:35 AM
1

Actually what you described isn’t monkey-branching, but hypergamy. Monkey-branching is the idea that when a woman leaves a man or on the rare occasion she is broken up with she doesn’t just fall to the ground (without a relationship). She has dozens of other men she can jump into a relationship with (branches to catch a hold of).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:55 AM
1

By having conversations
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:55 AM
1

I said “more” easily quantifiable…meaning more easily than being completely incoherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 12:32 PM
1

Value would be based on both individual’s needs, and the time, energy, emotional labor, resources etc, required to meet those needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:24 AM
1

We disagree. I think value can be more easily quantified than you do so balance/imbalance is not nearly as incoherent for me as you seem to think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:07 AM
1

Thinking you got a good deal, and that the transaction is fair doesn’t mean it wasn’t imbalanced. Yes not all things are valued the same but also not everyone has the same needs. Claiming that value is entirely subjective and unquantifiable doesn’t really help with the claim that there IS balance. It just renders the concept of “balance” virtually incoherent in this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:53 AM
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I’m not at all assuming that, thats why i believe that most relationship transactions are imbalanced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 12:36 AM
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Each person still has their own individual emotional needs, experiences, and things to offer. People generally don’t date the carbon copy of themself after all, they date the one that compliments them. So each partner leans on the other in different ways. One may not need nearly as much as the other partner and has more to give (for example) and is comfortable doing more of the giving, and as long as they are appreciated and appropriately reciprocated thats an acceptable arrangement for both…eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:18 PM
3

Simple example. Having a baby involves both male and female contributions but in no way is a 1:1 even exchange. There’s an imbalance in the physical burden on the woman, theres generally an imbalance in the social/financial burden on the man (at least for the few months a woman is unable to work and doesn’t have maternity leave). Most relationship transactions are imbalanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:06 PM
-1

What i said holds true for any heterosexual relationship (and probably for gay and lesbian ones too).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:58 PM
0

Its never a 1 for 1 perfect exchange like you’re imagining
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:22 PM
1

I don’t even accept that…you don’t necessarily love someone because you think they are actually amazing as a whole, your hormones convince you they are amazing. Using your characterization average people either truly don’t exist or are not fit for love and relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:44 PM
1

Why WOULDN’T you love someone you see as average?! What a strange question. Is love only for women who are physically amazingly beautiful? Her personality is part of what attracts you past the the 3-6 month honeymoon phase anyway…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:19 PM
1

Again this assumes that average guys are complaining because they cant get supermodels. Most guys here are of the mind that average girls are valuing themselves above their actual smv. So a significant portion of average women see her average male counterpart as undesirable and undateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:49 PM
2

Yes not all children are raised in optimal family environments
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 06:52 AM
1

Thats a better question, but that wasn’t the question asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:21 AM
2

It’s not the length of time I’m objecting to but your characterization of a committed relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:14 AM
2

Why does long term commitment imply “turning over your independence and autonomy to someone else forever”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:58 AM
1

What happens after reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:56 AM
1

Yes and a significant portion of those children end up in jail, failing out of school, dead, homeless, on drugs or generally NOT living their best lives. We have monogamous as well as polygamous instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:24 AM
0

Thats religion/culture being incompatible with relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:21 AM
0

Thats not “biological compatibility” If anything thats social compatibility. Which is STILL a dumb question. How can 2 parts of the same species that evolved side by side each other for thousands/millions of years not be compatible?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:25 AM
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Rulers can impose order not biological compatibility. And if your claim (which is common but which I reject) is that women have had NO choice/NO freedom (as opposed to men), and given choice and freedom they would have chosen otherwise than it is actually choice and freedom which are incompatible with life/survival
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 11:36 PM
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What a dumb question…If men and women were biologically incompatible humanity would have died out ages ago
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:40 PM
2

Who even said that? What I said was her seeing her boyfriend, whom she thought was tough, get punked will cause her to lose attraction for him because she doesn’t feel safe anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:07 AM
6

Face Down Ass Up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 11:23 PM
1

Disagree, its all on a continuum. Confrontation cant be separated from a willingness to be violent, otherwise why would an aggressive man care if you confront them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:05 PM
1

Could be an accumulation of things as simple as, people cut him off in line and he never says anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:51 PM
1

The illusion can be broken and you can look weak in many different ways that doesn’t have to involve getting into a fight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:18 PM
1

Until you saw your 6’1” casual lifter, with decent build get punked and look weak then he wouldn’t be sexy to you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:32 AM
2

Disagree. Women are really good at reading social queues in men, historically they had to be able to discern a man who was dangerous from one who wasn’t quickly and based on minimal info. That said being a big/tough looking guy who has no intention and/or no ability to stand up for or defend himself or by proxy his woman would be immediately obvious to your average woman and would be a huge turn off. Its true a woman doesn’t necessarily want her man fighting in the streets all the time, but she …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:25 AM
1

Nah…the reason why at least it seemed like men had more options is not because “patriarchy.” Its because 1. More men were dead so there were more women living at any given time, and 2. It was fairly easy to qualify as a marriageable woman. Just needed to hit puberty. Whereas to be a marriageable man you had to have a competency.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:08 AM
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Your general claim doesn’t seem to be true based on the high percent of female initiated divorces, and rising infidelity rate amongst women. Women may settle but they don’t forget what they’re attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:22 AM
1

I agree with this completely. Most of the “RP leaders” are just using RP talking points for their own interests. They talk about marriage and traditionalism but all they want to do is rack up super high body counts and drive a bugatti. They are ACTIVELY creating the high N count women they then complain about while the average guy is just trying to find somebody he can chill with. They are creating the conditions that make it hard for average guys, raking in donations from those same men giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:23 PM
1

I didn’t say its an excuse, its an explanation. And I don’t hold myself accountable for the culture I was born into. My mother and father took explicit steps to separate me and my brothers and sisters from the toxic aspects of black culture. And Im passing that down to my children
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:32 AM
1

And this is exactly why i say i DONT believe feminist when they say their movement is about equality. It isn’t…its about elevating women and femininity by denigrating men and masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 04:51 AM
1

Yes that is a problem in the black community. Black people are also victims of an arguably ongoing cultural catastrophe of sorts. What IS “black” after all but an amalgam of forgotten/stolen African cultures, and a hodgepodge of self-taught European cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:24 AM
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Yeah I’ve heard that definition before and i disagree with it based on the philosophical underpinnings of feminism, the actions of self professed feminists, and the unchecked words from their mouths. Name calling doesn’t make you right it means you have no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 10:36 PM
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Your comparison is bad…an average looking guy who dresses frumpy and doesn’t shave and doesn’t take care of himself with an outgoing personality isn’t necessarily attractive to women. How you dress, do you shave, how you outwardly represent yourself IS PART of your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:05 PM
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In one way by pushing less than charitable interpretations of history that cast men and masculinity as the oppressive big bad and femininity as innocent, and blameless and morally superior, and at worst solely reacting to the big bad “toxic masculinity”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 07:13 AM
-1

Jesus relax its a hypothetical 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 07:01 AM
1

Booooooo…NOT AN OPTION!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:31 AM
2

Ok so then your original comment “god forbid women want to be equal to men” (or something to that effect) makes little to no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:17 PM
1

Oh well i don’t know what you mean by that 🤷🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:01 PM
1

You mean the same as a man? Well shes not the same as a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:28 PM
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He rejected the word “equal” and instead chose to state femininity is complimentary to masculinity. Im willing to bet he would also agree with the reverse of the statement: masculinity is complimentary to femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:25 PM
1

When you’re talking about how a baby is made is the masculine and feminine contribution “equal” No theres a massive imbalance there. When you get into the minutiae “equality” becomes an almost incoherent concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:21 PM
2

Ahh right yeah women really got screwed then…I think they’re doing ok though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:54 PM
3

Ahh got it well that is different from our system, i mean its not like women in our system are 50% of the electorate voting for politicians or anything…wait a second 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:37 PM
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Saying “I’m a queen” “I am a goddess” is NOT synonymous with “I am enough.” A queen is leagues above everyone else second ONLY to a king. A goddess transcends life itself and speaks truth into existence and is beyond reproach and infallible…come on if you cant see how that type of inflated ego could be a negative thing when you have to deal with regular ol people, then you’re simply not trying
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:31 PM
1

Patriarchy is a net loss for women as opposed to what other successful system of social governance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:24 PM
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Theres a yawning chasm in between healthy self esteem/high self esteem and “Im a goddess” “I’m a queen.” And yes I would agree that equating the ability to have sex with self worth IS a masculine way of thinking, but modern women are becoming more masculine. Its also obvious to me that the ability of women of all beauty levels to extract attention from more men than ever before through social media absolutely provides an unnatural ego boost to many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:23 PM
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Artificially inflated, unnaturally high self esteem IS bad for your health and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:10 PM
3

Well I don’t accept your definition of oppression, so I don’t know how we can continue this exchange …try a dictionary
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:49 PM
3

Define “oppressive”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:40 PM
3

Men scoff at the mysandristic feminist characterization of the patriarchy, as necessarily oppressive to all women and beneficial to all men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:28 PM
3

Yes, just like i want to eat ice cream every day all the time but its bad for my health
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:08 PM
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I generally don’t speak about masculinity and femininity in terms of “equal.” I see them as both natural and necessary aspects of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:07 PM
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If i were to accept your claim that would mean that many modern women are strident purveyors of misogyny with the “I’m a queen, “I’m a goddess” madness, as well as 99% of feminism considering how it elevates femininity above masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:01 PM
2

As long as we can agree that not every decision to exclude woman was based on “patriarchal oppression”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 05:46 PM
2

Absolutely, I’ve never denied women’s contributions and sacrifices. Everyone working and sacrificing together is how we’ve survived and thrived. I will however add that while women were excluded from “professions of prestige” they were also excluded from most of the dying and accountability as well. It wasn’t all strippers and Ice cream parties over here either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 05:04 PM
2

I know that was meant to be sarcasm, but its also true. Men DID build civilization. And women have no problems pointing out that “men have all the power and men made all the rules” when it suits their argument. I just also don’t believe that women’s roles historically have been as inconsequential as implied
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:22 PM
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Yes I would. Thats why i was never a fan of casual dating (especially with my personality type). Doesn’t mean i don’t think its a necessary introduction to a relationship. A phone call can be a nice preview but its not a date
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:30 PM
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So you have an idea of what it takes to throw a stick but none of what it takes to forage. Like you honestly think the women were just walking around picking flowers up off the ground all day 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:02 PM
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Gotta be face to face, need to be able to take in all the visual information, see them, smell them, touch them, all the non verbal queues play off each other’s energy. Flirting and establishing of real rapport and sexual chemistry is always going to be inferior over a phone
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:00 PM
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That’s not a date…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:42 PM
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…In the same way that throwing a pointy stick was a skill? By that metric everyone was just as dumb as everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:41 PM
1

…lol a 20 year old who looks 30 likely has some shit going on…like trauma or drugs, or health issues or something 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:56 PM
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But her potential sexual trauma is an entirely separate set of issues that has nothing to do with HIS internal thoughts and feelings and everything to do with how she inflicts her own thoughts and feelings onto him. It is NOT Insecure to want to avoid that and reasonable to assume that women with many sexual partners are more likely to have some sort of sexual trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:31 PM
2

If someone is in a “happily” monogamous relationship but sexually desires, or is sexually attracted to others from time to time that says nothing about how happy they are in their relationship, and the fact that you’re not giving in to every sexual whim because your partner wouldn’t like it doesn’t mean you’re being coerced into a monogamous relationship you don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:52 PM
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This is so full of false assumptions, and weird presuppositions I’m not sure where to start. How about here: “They believe virgin wives are less of a threat to their ego and security because they typically come with less sexual trauma” If a man doesn’t want to deal with a woman’s sexual trauma what does that have anything to do with ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:45 PM
0

Thats not true at all, or at least you are talking about certain types of power and excluding other types of power to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 05:45 PM
1

Absolutely yes, I say this as the designated bug killer of a house with 3 women. I’m also the son of a strong woman that I love and respect more than any other woman that is no less reduced to a squealing wild woman at the sight of a little mouse 🤣 These aren’t even the best examples and most are fairly trivial but are still true
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:37 AM
-4

…do you honestly think most women are replacing light fixtures and fixing things for their male friends? Come now don’t be ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 04:18 AM
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Thats why its called an “analogy” not a perfect representation of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 11:57 AM
1

5 year relationship married for 3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:20 PM
1

I have a hard time believing that. I can see if its up front honesty because too much too fast can be a burden most of the time. But the idea that most men want to permanently live a lie and a fantasy suggests a level of childishness, disfunction, and cognitive dissonance that seems uncharacteristic of this space. But your statement “if everyone was honest you’d know if they were trustworthy” that’s just not how it works. You might as well say “if lies didn’t exist” or “if bad things didn’t happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 09:34 PM
1

Thats either because they’re all psychopaths, or there are other aspects of socializing that make honesty and transparency a risky proposition. Likely because trust is not an assumption. Im willing to bet 90% the people that say lying is better would choose honesty if they had some assurances that the other people were being honest as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 09:22 PM
1

…Do we really need a CMV for “is telling the truth better than lying?”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 09:14 PM
2

…But what if you’re being honest and they’re lying
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 09:03 PM
2

How do you KNOW you can be transparent with someone initially, you have nothing but “a feeling” initially
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:56 PM
5

The term “equally” is probably not a good term to use when male and female dating experiences are so different and imbalanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:15 PM
3

I have a feeling that our disagreements are more semantic, but if we got down into the minutiae, we would be more on the same page. I believe after all that a lie is one of the most destructive things you can inflict upon an intimate, or potentially intimate relationship. However i do also believe that no one else is entitled to my secrets. They belong to me and everyone has the right to protect themselves from potential harm. Trust is earned over time and learning something about someone too ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:53 PM
3

Well i disagree, there is a way to be honest and authentic without speaking like a 4 year old with absolutely no filter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:03 PM
3

In your mind is authenticity synonymous with transparency?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:48 PM
1

Do you make a distinction between not wanting to be alone, and being uncomfortable (or not content) being alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:23 PM
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But i dont KNOW upon our first meet if you are a crazy person that would use my secrets against me…thats why trust is a process…You dont vomit all of your deepest darkest secrets onto some stranger. Thats not even fair to THEM to have to deal with that yet
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:16 PM
6

Sure but consistently when women describe the type of guy they want, they use the term “nice.” So at minimum they are poorly communicating their preferences to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 08:49 PM
2

Me too, lol and it has a very specific meaning that’s pertinent to these types of conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:27 PM
1

Well that too, But i didn’t wana kick you when you’re down so…😬
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:58 PM
5

Sign of a weak woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:18 AM
2

OP is NOT making the point he seems to think he’s making. He’s actually making the same mistake a lot of women make. Thinking some is attractive enough to have sex with is not the same as thinking someone is worth taking seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:17 AM
1

I think its the “excitement” and the heightened emotions that makes it better for a lot of women. A good guy might be boring predictable and even keel, a bad boy is unpredictable, and gives a woman higher highs and lower lows. A broader range of emotions makes her feel more strongly for the bad boy. Oh didnt see the [question for women], ill hush now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 02:43 AM
1

I feel like Im being trolled here…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:55 PM
1

I never implied that…besides all women even ugly women lust after Chris Hemsworth what i said still holds true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:31 PM
2

You’re original comment was something to the effect of “i fit the description of chubby and both attractive and average men hit on me and treat like shit.” I supplied an explanation, the fact that you think i was trying to “put women down” is your insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:49 PM
1

Ok whatever you’re convinced Im trying to put women down thats your own insecurity that you wont be convinced out of, there’s nothing more for me to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:38 PM
1

You just don’t understand how men think. There’s a difference between a woman that is attractive enough to have sex with and a woman that’s attractive enough to want to date long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:05 PM
1

That’s a less accurate response, and one designed to soothe the ego
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:19 PM
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Actually you commented asking “why would a man sleep with someone he’s NOT attracted to” I corrected by saying he would go after a woman he views as less attractive NOT because he isn’t attracted to her, but because he’s less attracted, it still means he’s attracted
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:08 PM
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Absolutely not, some men are hotter than other men. And its not an insult to me to acknowledge that. Women ALSO have no problems judging and ordering men into attractiveness hierarchies, but DON’T like it when they receive the same treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 04:08 AM
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I brought it up as a technicality. Man truth is sometimes uncomfortable especially to women and they don’t like to hear it. It was NOT a “put down.” I said what i said to communicate what was happening from a man’s perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:14 AM
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The hostility comes from the fact that women are less than honest about it, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 09:45 PM
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Why do women take the idea that they aren’t all equally attractive as a personal insult? Why do women utterly reject the idea that they are in competition with other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 09:43 PM
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Its not putting women down to say that some women are more attractive than others. And guys don’t always want to have to fight off 20 other dudes to go for the 7/8/9 at the bar
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 09:15 PM
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Not “aren’t attracted to” but “less attracted to”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 07:33 PM
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That makes sense, more attractive and even average attractive men may hit on a woman they view as being less attractive because they think she might be easier to have sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 04:42 PM
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Why is that hard to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:53 PM
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Ive met quite a few women who claimed to like a certain type of man, and or claimed to NOT like the type of guy I am with their female feminist friends but would be privately in my DMs constantly flirting with me…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:15 PM
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I don’t think its that women had been “pressured” to be into manly men. I think they generally ARE into manly men. But because our modern culture encourages more sexual freedom (especially for women) women can still get their primal needs met by hooking up with masculine men while dating and marrying more reliable partners. That’s why women even in this space have agreed upon the distinction between first date fuckable men, and make-them-wait more serious relationship men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:58 PM
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You’re not ACTUALLY disagreeing with the spirit of the argument. Yes of course you should watch and pay attention to a woman especially for non verbal signals, even HOW she speaks but you take the actual words with a grain of salt and you should rarely ever ask a woman for advice on how you as a man would go about attracting women. Thats the point being made here…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:03 AM
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What do you think “following the red pill” even means? Anyone who learns something true about women has acquired “Red Pill” knowledge. Any successful man in the dating world regularly deploys RP knowledge, whether or not he “follows the red pill”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:04 PM
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Unjustly sabotage the opposite sex and gain the upperhand? Seems awfully machiavellian…I think even when individual people are lying its not because they’re usually some mustache twirling mastermind, they’re just selfishly motivated and short cited. But anyway to answer your question. I think its incredibly important to contribute to a conversation where people are trying to figure out whats true so that we can have armor against all the lies, the untruths, and commonly held misunderstandings. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:48 PM
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Well I’m not those things, I’m me. I do however feel slightly offended that you assumed i was white simply because i have a preference for non-promiscuous women. Because black men LLOOOOOVE the hoes? Doesn’t your religious crap have something to say about promiscuous women? Oh and Men’s Rights Movement started in the 60s so yeah black manospehere is late to the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:30 AM
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It’s actually NOT that common seeing black men in “incel” spaces. Black manospehere is fairly new in comparison to how long the Red Pill, MRA stuff has been going on
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:16 AM
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Edomite? Wrong again…I’m black, been that way all my life
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:05 AM
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Wow you commented on me twice. You sure YOU’RE not the triggered one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:54 AM
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Triggers my male “ick” factor
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:13 AM
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No, not jealousy. But that’s a common misunderstanding
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:11 AM
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No I wouldn’t allow myself to move forward with someone I KNEW was a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:57 AM
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Because shes had more turns than a doorknob
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:48 AM
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Your question is incomplete. It should be: Would you rather date a virgin who resents you, or a former slut who loves you and whom YOU resent. There you go…😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:42 AM
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The idea that a woman is simply “showing confidence on social media” is a modern creation and totally fallacious. What you consider “showing confidence on social media” I consider attention fishing. It isn’t that guys “feel” entitled to comment. They ARE entitled to comment. If you are attention fishing and putting yourself out into the public square its YOU who isn’t entitled to ONLY nice comments. Women will often lie to each other because they just don’t want to hurt another girls feelings. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:01 PM
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Our perceptions and desires are a product of our evolution, and so cant be easily separated from our biological needs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:32 PM
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Its a mistake because its an inlluslon. The “freedom” and “independence” is like the end result of a movie, but no one sees all the prop crew and the hair dressers and the makeup artists costume designers and failed cuts and junk film, and re-writes, and stuntmen and green screens. And thats why i ultimately believe feminism is wrong. Because containing elements of truth doesn’t make something true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:24 PM
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…Well just goes to show that “progress” isn’t always good just because its progress. It matters what we’re moving towards
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:14 PM
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Men who say “women have nothing to offer” usually mean “women have nothing to offer…but sex.” So you’re really not saying much but actually AGREEING with those men by focusing on women’s primary value as sexual things. Kind of unrelated but i think men’s biggest mistake, which was sort of inevitable, was creating a world that’s so safe and consistent and seemingly autonomous that women can even utter the phrase (and believe it) “I don’t need a man.” By offloading the traditional duties of men to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:01 PM
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Women don’t date “Men.” They date SOME men, presumably the men who have made themselves valuable in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:36 AM
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Can you assume that guys who like bigger boobs and bigger butts are necessarily less masculine? The theory sounds like some serious cope…to use the popular internet term at the moment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:47 PM
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Lol honestly I just read the title but that sounds like some serious short man rationalization. Tall men have always been attractive to women…Conversely that’s like saying the more men like big boobs and ass it means the more feminine they are…makes sense? Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:58 AM
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Sure why not, but i read one of the posts you linked in your OP (the one comparing lack of sex, to neglecting children) and it doesn’t seem to tell the story you seem to think it does. Thats not a guy saying sex is all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:37 PM
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I mean how many people in here say they ONLY want sex. This seems like a strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:08 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 05:36 PM
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I agree with almost everything you posted. Only thing i would say different is that I think feminism has ironically convinced women that their femininity is inferior. So rather than appreciating it many women reject it and adopt a sort of forced masculine energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 04:17 PM
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This is BS. All relationships are transactional. This paints women as being solely motivated by altruism, where as men are just in it for what they can get. Fact is women are more generally motivated to uphold the female collective which they stand to benefit from. Its still self motivated. Just look at how vicious and relentlessly cruel women can be towards other women who work their way out of the in group. Female bullying is often worse than male bullying because it often goes beyond physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 03:26 PM
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An aware masculine woman that ACTUALLY likes feminine men, I’d say that’s fairly rare
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 03:20 PM
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That sounds like an issue with the man, and has little to do with the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:12 AM
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This is ass backwards modern woman thinking. It makes utterly ZERO sense, and it seems pretty common amongst younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 02:48 PM
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Its fair
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 10:16 PM
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I am actually married with kids
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:30 PM
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Just because something is “the new norm” doesn’t make it a good idea
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:10 PM
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It gets significantly more dangerous past 30 years old. Thats a medical fact that can’t just be ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:39 PM
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Yeah the ovaries and that egg count doesn’t care about how young you look. My sister is black she started having children at around 35, shes had 2 children and i think 2 miscarriages, pretty much every one if her pregnancies had some type of issue, her first was severely premature. And almost didn’t make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:02 PM
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30 is not old for having fun, it’s getting into the danger zone for a starting point for a relationship with a trajectory of marriage and family. You ordinarily don’t come out of the gate having children. It usually takes time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:58 PM
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Simping isn’t just about spending money. Its basically any man who’s giving unreciprocated attention to a woman. Could be any form of attention: Likes, complements, help, time, attention, money, etc. I think that coupled with the reach of social media, simping serves to overvalue women in the dating market. Which is weird because women use the attention from men they aren’t attracted to, to boost their ego up to place where they feel entitled men they ARE attracted to, which are guys that wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 12:55 PM
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I don’t see that at all, plenty of men in here speak in generalities about men as well, I know I do
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:29 PM
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Well if it makes you feel better I’ve clashed with men in here as well. Thats what these spaces are designed for conversations, sometimes contentious, sometimes controversial but hopefully aimed at an honest pursuit of the truth. Im not sure you’re going to ever get away from people using generalities, and unfortunately you ARE just a data point to most people who haven’t met you and formed a relationship with you. I do agree with you that respect is earned, and anyone who demands it just becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:17 PM
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Thats a feeling you don’t have to bring to these discussions. Most of the times guys are just trying to sort out what reality seems to be from what we’ve been told. You have to be sensitive to the fact that most of these guys HAVE tried to listen to women. They’ve listened to women sware the sky was green while we’re both staring at a blue sky. You also have to be sensitive to the fact that women DO sometimes lie, or are just bad reporters of events, or at least bad at communicating in terms men…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 10:44 PM
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Like i said using a false generalization, or falsely employing generalizations doesn’t detract from their usefulness. I wont speak for what others do but I usually won’t call anyone a liar. I’ll usually say something to the effect if either your perception is wrong or you’re and exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 10:24 PM
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I really don’t get the push back on general statements. You have to accept SOME generalities just to make basic decisions. Sure everyone is unique in SOME way but if a trend is detected and people’s behaviors are predictable and understandable given certain variables doesn’t that justify a generality? If you don’t like the generality and what it implies thats one thing, it could be a false generality based on an improper sample size, but that doesn’t devalue generalities…in general
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:18 PM
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Depends, is your definition of “not sexually attracted to” synonymous with disgusted and repulsed by? Because i can see myself in an LTR with someone I’m not entirely sexually attracted to, I could even see myself having sex with someone I’m not entirely sexually attracted to provided there were other qualities she had that i needed/wanted in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 04:58 PM
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Because plastic surgery and “enhanced” bodies are incredibly common these days
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:14 PM
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Actually not true, Red Pillers DO believe in family, however young Red Pillers just happen to be mostly concerned with what most young men are concerned with. They also understand the decreasing amount of privilege and the growing amount of risk/danger involved in marriage add that rightly discourages them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:00 AM
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…I do what I can
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:26 PM
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…apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:23 PM
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I make a habit of kicking puppies, taking candy from babies, and snatching purses from old ladies whenever the opportunity presents itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:14 AM
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Your relationship should not depend ENTIRELY on sexual attraction, but sexual attraction will inevitably be a part of it…And that’s not a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:28 PM
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Romance for men is like Mass Effect. You save the world kill a million baddies and get to bang the hot girl of your choice
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:15 PM
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I never mentioned “romantic relationships” i mentioned quality relationships. Also i think freedom is on a sliding scale, too much can also be a very bad thing. I think most people share that intuition considering how commonly we organize ourselves into fairly rigid structures, and naturally build in ways to socially enforce those rigid standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:44 PM
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Oh yeah thats right women never do anything, they have no power, they have no agency, they barely even make choices or anything, they’re just like infants if you think about it really eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:56 AM
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Oh ur right, my bad…I dono why i thought I was talking to OP this entire time guess i need a nap or somethin
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:49 AM
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Your title states: The decline in quality relationships is just a reflection of an increase in human freedom. Was that a typo?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:27 AM
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Yes but only if she does a lot of work to abandon or at least not use (or exploit) her femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:19 AM
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Well then that would actually set a paradigm of poor quality relationships, and all this new freedom would actually improve the overall quality of relationships (which sounds like thats what you believe anyway). But it also sounds like you’re observing a decrease in the quality of relationships and also attributing it to an increase in freedom…so i don’t know WHAT you actually believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:17 AM
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Well your title stated quality is decreasing, now the claim is quantity is decreasing but quality is increasing? Either way my essential claim is that if freedom is actually the cause, and freedom is a good thing it wouldn’t have a negative impact on the quality of relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:32 PM
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If the more “free” you become the more poor your relationships become you need to re-evaluate your perspective a bit. Perhaps not every option is worth while just because you have the “freedom” to choose it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:54 PM
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You’re either delusional or you’re the exception. Most people value relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:39 PM
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…and this is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:17 PM
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Well if your title is true then human freedom is overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:15 PM
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I guess Im more of a nihilist with these types of things. I don’t think there is a solution. Most of these problems are due to the intersection of so many different things that I don’t see a singular singular fix or set of fixes that would have any amount of success. We have male nature, female nature, capitalism, industrialization, technology, social media, pop culture, politics, just to name a few… Only solution I have is a singular one. To be the best man i know how to be and live by my own p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:01 PM
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Again this reads like women not being able to tell the difference between guys looking for some fun for the night, and someone for life…These are different women entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:36 AM
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Sweet sugary artificially flavored food is designed to game our taste buds. If you introduce sweat sugary artificially flavored foods to children they will develop a preference for it, even become addicted to it. Because children want sweet sugary food doesn’t mean they’re being tricked…well wait yes it does. How is this not similar?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:25 PM
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But you ARE tricking guys by gaming their innate preference for smooth faced younger looking women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:01 PM
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I never said women don’t care about looks (in fact i think this is the second time I’ve said I didn’t say that) But the ways in which women care about a mans looks are generally not hacked by makeup in the same way that the ways men care about a woman’s looks IS. And feminism will fail primarily because all its conclusions and behavioral prescriptions are based on erroneous observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:44 PM
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So ideas surrounding sex and sexual attractiveness, and pair bonding which are evolutionarily some of the oldest and most hard coded into our psychology which also happen to be cross cultural, can just he written off as environmental? Thats even MORE ridiculous. And I’m highly doubtful that norms are changing nearly as much as you seem to think in such a short amount if time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:46 PM
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Yes but the female dominance hierarchy is based on physical attractiveness whereas the male dominance hierarchy isn’t. So there’s A reason why women are more inclined to enhance and perfect their physical looks, where as men are more inclined to employ other types of enhancements
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:09 PM
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The point I’m making is that an attractive man will be attractive with or without makeup. Also when women are attracted to a man its not just about his face
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:44 AM
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No the idea that male attractiveness is about smooth skin and flawless young looking features is wrong. A pudgy, pimply faced, short, socially awkward, unattractive guy is not gonna put some foundation and concealer on and all of a sudden the ladies love him. But a man with an athletic muscular frame, good facial features, brimming with confidence who’s ALREADY attractive can put on some makeup and likely STILL be attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:33 AM
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No one said that. But the idea that the difference between a man getting no dates and getting some dates is makeup is delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:56 AM
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Like i said you haven’t thought this out, this is all theory
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:49 AM
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This sounds very theoretical, i dont think you’ve really thought through just how corrosive to the relationships lies can be. Liars attract liars. Whats your girl going to be lying about? Do you even care as long as you’re getting sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:43 AM
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“Looksmaxxing” is a female mate strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:27 AM
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And lying about how you look…oh not “lying” i meant “enhancing”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:25 PM
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Dating is expensive enough, now you’re saying guys should start buying makeup too? …👎🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:19 PM
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Shot in the dark the guy was probably hot before he put the eyeliner on
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:55 PM
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Yes go ahead men lets start spending 4 hours in front of the mirror just like the women. That sounds like an excellent strategy…then you can trade tips and be besties!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:54 PM
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Honestly in working trying to work this out in my own head i see where you’re going with this, but i also have to put that into context of what I’ve experienced. I mean my parents have been married for over 40 years. And yes i can see from my own perspective as a man and through my experience in relationships how it seems like a one way street sometimes. But I’ve also had conversations with my wife who feels like she does more. So I just think we’re only capable of seeing things from our own per…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:26 PM
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Yes the emotion and affection we have for children are also evolved responses, and can also be seen in the animal kingdom to some extent. Hell different species have been known at times to act in a motherly way towards other species of animals and raise them in their own packs. Is that love? Or is that some evolutionarily imposed motherly duty being hacked?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:46 PM
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I can agree with how you’ve framed modern women’s pursuit of happiness, though I would consider their desire for broader goals in and out of relationships more frivolous and selfish. Thats why for instance a lot of working women once they get to a certain age become difficult to keep as employees because they become focused on having children (even when not married). I also think that economic conditions, and political policies have attempted with some success to supplant the necessity of husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:53 AM
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But how would you know what feelings you’re analyzing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:43 PM
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And its unreliable to hold conclusions from studies based on personal feelings with the same weight as conclusions based on something more concrete and objective
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:55 PM
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I don’t see this as a description of “love” i see this as a description of “duty”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:49 PM
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Im sure he does, he can also cum using his hand
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:02 PM
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I say take the Pill stay away from the ideologies. Some of the pills are more ideology than pill so be careful around them too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 04:54 PM
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Except we haven’t agreed upon how you’re defining love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 04:49 PM
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Ok well technically I’m a TRP man and I think I can safely say that sex is just as mechanical for me as for the majority of “normal man.” While most men in LTRs love and cherish the one they’re having sex with, the act of sex for them is still mechanical
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 03:54 PM
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I think you are 100% wrong I think if you were to ask guys if they could get sex and not tell anyone about it they would still say yes. Have you ever had really good sex before? Edit: I’m sorry i hadn’t fully read your comment, it seems you’re a woman. So i can see having never experienced sex from a man’s perspective would lead you to believe that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:49 PM
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I’ve never made the assumption that the man is doing everything. Lets say its 50/50 men are shitty women are shitty…explain in your opinion why women are initiating 80% of divorces? Why is it not 50/50?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:42 PM
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…men seek out sex NOT because they want sex, but because they want to brag to their friends? …You cant really believe that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:39 PM
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Men need to have more compassion for their wives? We already agreed that men get abused just as much as women, men are likely to work more hours than women, men also don’t get as much sex as they want from their wives, I would posit that men do more work around the house than they are given credit for, yet women are still initiating 80% of divorces, and lets not even get into what a mess divorce court is and custody madness…😳 If anyone needs to show more empathy it’s women to their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:29 PM
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Even from an evolutionary perspective women don’t facilitate the survival of the species in the same way that men do. Men facilitate the survival of the species by being willing to sacrifice themselves for the child bearers aka women. Women facilitate the survival of the species by preserving themselves or being willing to sacrifice themselves for the children. If you’re talking about fatal sacrifices for most of our evolutionary history child birth has been deadly for women and still they do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:09 PM
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🤷🏿I cant take you seriously when you probably have absolutely no idea what its like to be a man, Im not sorry though. By the way I haven’t endorsed cheating, nore have i ever cheated …Does this mean we’re done here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:40 PM
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No discussing an aspect of the male experience is not the same as reducing a man to JUST that thing. YOU did that not me. I’m not even going to respond to your first comment. Because it’s ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:33 PM
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So you’re aware that even though in most homes men and women both have to work, married men are more likely to work more hours and are also more likely to work hard physically taxing jobs, but you’re STILL saying he should be expected to come home do half the chores, bounce the kids on his knees for 4 hours, defend the house against a hostile possibly armed intruder by himself, climb up on the roof by himself to do repairs, kill all the spiders, and MAYBE get some sex once a month? Besides back …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:29 PM
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What about sex from a mans perspective is “loving and cherishing.” When a teenager jerks off into a gym sock what is he loving and cherishing? Nothing, he’s just trying to get that demon out of him so he can THINK straight 🤣. What exactly is it about the process of marriage that you think changes a man physiologically into NOT a walking sperm factory. And the casual disregard for a mans needs is predictable but extremely un-empathetic. In another exchange on this thread someone compared how men …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:24 PM
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Yes because they acknowledge that their need for sex is often times separate from they’re love/duty to their wife and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:39 PM
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You can take peoples word but with a grain of salt . Im sure you’ve had the experience of having a conversation with someone using the same words but with different meanings so you get the feeling you’re talking past one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:37 PM
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I disagree that men in general are willing to sacrifice their lives for their women because they think their women will do the same. Men expect their wives to make sacrifices, but not her life for his life. I think they’ve done studies where they ask a couple something like “if one of you had to die which would it be” and the man chose himself, and the woman also chose the man. I also disagree that male black widows and praying mantises dont let themselves be killed. Every animal has a strong se…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:33 PM
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Yes but understanding what people mean by happiness changes the context quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:18 PM
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I can understand this perspective, but i don’t think I’ve ever advocated for women being in loveless relationships. I do however believe that for modern women love has been redefined as something more frivolous and self centered
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:15 PM
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So make another post under his post? Thats a little rude don’t you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:35 AM
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…take a testosterone’s shot and then try only having sex once a month. It’s torture for most men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:34 AM
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Apparently men are willing to be in loveless marriages without sex as well, because one of the major complaints from husbands is not getting enough sex…yet they still only leave 20% of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:07 AM
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I think that modern women have been sold a version of happiness and romance that is shallow artificial and fallacious. I think women have moved away from duty and responsibility in terms of marriage and have become more focused on selfish fleeting happiness. That’s why divorce numbers shot up when no-fault divorce became legal. No-fault meaning no infidelity, no abuse, just because
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:58 AM
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Through most of human history both men AND women have had to work to make the village function, men usually doing most of the heavy lifting and dangerous work because they are expendable. Its solipsistic and unempathetic to assume that because a man isn’t doing what YOU are doing he’s not doing anything important. You also ignored that men are just as likely to get abused and don’t leave as much
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:29 AM
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Ur caricaturing my argument, i never implied indiscriminate cheating, or any of the extremes you’ve listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:14 AM
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Women aren’t a race, and we can and must speak in generalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:11 AM
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Its an unjustified assumption that every or most women who divorce do so because of physical, financial, or verbal abuse. A lot of abuse victims DONT actually leave. Also women can be just as abusive as men (physically, verbally and emotionally, and thats backed by statistics), and men still leave only 20% of the time. Its also a myth that women handle the majority of the mental and emotional labor in the relationship. My wife and I have this discussion occasionally and i have to remind her that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:10 AM
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Ok gone from incel to stupid well that’s an upgrade 😎. But I’ll just remind you that all my refutations in our exchange have been to show evidence that women’s behaviors can ALSO be interpreted as devaluing men, where as your position seems to be its ONLY men who devalue women… So are YOU stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:50 AM
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…exactly, using your own internal subjective measurement and definition of “happiness.” My claim is that men and women simply have different definitions of “happiness”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:45 AM
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…yes and how do you measure happiness? With a ruler? Or a TI-84 graphing calculator?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:38 AM
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…right everyone who makes a non-flattering observation about female dating habits is an incel got it 👌🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:37 AM
0

Yeah that’s why men lie, and legitimately feel guilty. And men’s polygamous urges ARE dumb but sometimes very powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:27 AM
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I’m doubtful of that, for most men marriage isn’t about “happiness” it’s about duty. So if a marriage and family gives a man “purpose” that might be misinterpreted as “happiness.” Modern women especially are less concerned with duty and responsibility and seem to be focused on “happiness” which is fleeting over the course of LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:25 AM
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…oh right i just made them up got it thanks for the clarification 👌🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:18 AM
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You say this as if “monkey branching” and hypergamy aren’t common female practices/traits. And don’t 33% of women go on “foodie calls”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:14 AM
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It ISN’T common knowledge, our culture has just adopted and enforced monogamous marriages. From a woman’s perspective it’s a betrayal because they tend to attach sex to love more than men. From s man’s perspective having sex with another woman doesn’t mean he doesn’t love his wife
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:12 AM
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It’s a misunderstanding that because a husband has a woman on the side he necessarily no longer loves, wants, or feels duty-bound to his wife
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:53 AM
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This comparison is flawed because it uses a male centered metric to judge women. Men in general are more willing to sacrifice themselves because evolutionarily men are more disposable. Has little to do with “love” per se. Male praying mantises and male black widows both allow themselves to be killed by the female after they’ve fertilized her eggs, and she uses his body as food for the hatchlings. Do these species even experience love? Unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:50 AM
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If your claim is that men see women as things with levels of value not people, and they leave when their thing loses value then why still do women initiate 70-80% of divorces. Wouldn’t that instead prove that women see their husbands as things that provide value and are more likely to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:44 AM
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That may be true but a fling was the purpose. Also 40-50% of marriage end in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:33 AM
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Do you honestly think guys are looking for love in the club and on tinder and on instagram? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 12:04 AM
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Im not shaming women, I acknowledge attraction is not entirely a choice and that sometimes presents a problem for dating. I also have seen many women say things to the effect of “you know i wasn’t really attracted to him at first, but…” and now they’re married or in an LTR. Fact is there are a good portion of men that are invisible to women because they are viewed as “unattractive.” If a woman is blocking herself from finding a partner because she has a good job and thinks that a man who makes o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:03 PM
0

There are exceptions to most rules, thats why we speak in general terms
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:28 PM
0

Its one thing to say two incomes are better than one. That is absolutely true in this economy. It is a different thing for a woman to assume that because they have good jobs they are entitled to higher value men. Having a good job does not make an average woman above average. If you are an average woman and you are excluding average men from your dating pool because you have a good job you are wrong and over valuing yourself. I think that is the heart of the argument RP men are attempting to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:26 PM
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Ive never heard of warriors looking down on women because they were weaker…until the women tried to fight maybe. Ive heard of warriors bashing the brains out of other men to win the favor of women though…I think thats way more common
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:21 PM
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My definition of “serious relationship” involves a heavy focus on marriage and family. So naturally that is not the same as a high school relationship. Also two male friends hanging out sharing fart and piss jokes playing video games together playing laser tag is not the same type of relationship that a man and a woman have that eventually grows into a marriage style partnership. Theres a camaraderie in a male friendship that simply cant exist in an intimate relationship between a man and a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:34 PM
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Not every RP recommendation is about “a solution to the root of the problem” Some of the recommendations are about acknowledging the likelihood (or unlikelihood) of a solution to the root of the problem, and acting accordingly. Just because a high schooler is in a relationship doesn’t mean that high schooler has the requisite experience or financial foundation to be a father. It is a fact that the human brain is not fully developed until the mid to late 20s. The idea that SOME high school childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:35 AM
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My understanding of the RP recommendations to younger men come from the fact that dating for marriage in modern times tends to be expensive, and younger men don’t have the financial foundation nor the maturity and experience for serious relationships. What younger men DO have in abundance is testosterone and raging hormones that if not expressed can have destructive outcomes. Its not at all a coincidence that feminist recommendations for women mirror those of men, after all though feminist claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:03 AM
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All relationships are transactional. Even starting from the point of “what can i give”, which is a fairly decent mode of being, that only works when there is reciprocation. When it’s a one way street the giver is quickly spent and resentment starts to grow. Acknowledging that relationships are transactional doesn’t mean you need to treat every interaction as a literal transaction. Theres is a way that we Speak about relationships from a logical perspective to understand them, and theres is a way…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:45 AM
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RP is NOT against long term pair bonding, your goals ARE the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:32 AM
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Yes I don’t know why it hasn’t caught on, especially considering how many people in the RP community worship Patrice O’Neal. Honestly the 30 point system is much more precise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:47 PM
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Its not misandry at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:45 PM
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On this we have agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 12:39 AM
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Just trying to start a conversation juxtaposing the innate value of femininity vs the performative nature of masculinity would have been less awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 12:37 AM
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Oh well in that case women should be happier than ever in no time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 10:40 PM
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It’s “fair” because men are often willing to pay for it. There is NO exchange in men demanding something just because I get the point that youre trying to make, but you’re kinda doing this fake equality comparison that doesn’t work in every argument. Men and women are different, apples and oranges
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:46 PM
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Absolutely not false, will post a study when I have time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:48 PM
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Well that’s a poorly formed question. Framed that way one is just women offering a paid service, the other is just dudes harassing women. One is what can be argued to be a fair exchange. The other is just dudes trying to get free wank material.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 11:24 AM
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…yeah you’re right, it’s probably just a coincidence that happiness is consistently declining and women’s happiness is lower than men’s happiness for the first time since…I dono EVER
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 11:19 AM
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Yes…women have always preferred men taller and larger than them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:03 PM
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I never believed my mom was a saint. I love her more now more than i ever have. I appreciate her more as a man than i ever was capable of as a child. I would die to protect her, I would kill for her. She is strong, she is feminine, she has been loyal to my father even when it was hard for her, she raised me, she was loving and giving, by all accounts an incredible woman. Was she perfect? No. Do i agree with everything she says? No Discovering red pill truths and learning that my mother is human,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:11 PM
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Pill theory isn’t or shouldn’t be about assigning negative or positive intentions, it should be about discovering the underlying truths behind male and female motivations no matter how unflattering they may be
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:54 PM
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Yeah but still most men want to pair bond especially once they get to a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:30 PM
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Which often makes men even more attractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:07 PM
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You’re right they don’t care about the process, they just want ambitious, competent successful men, but the process to become that and the qualities you build along the way implies pushing through failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:05 PM
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I don’t think this is a universalizable solution. Having the ability to push through anxiety and failure and still accomplish a goal is an important indicator of competence and confidence in men which are very attractive qualities to women. If women were required to make the first move, i think that would cause women to become even LESS attracted to the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 05:40 AM
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To be fair it’s NOT your entire life…mainly just the first quarter 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 05:21 AM
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“there is no such thing for women like the manosphere or RP where women shame and criticise men for being non traditional or feminine” Have you watched ANY female led (and some male led) talk show since the 90s? Women openly complain about everything they don’t like about men and no one calls it misandry. They don’t NEED something like the Manospehere because they are free to voice their gripes publicly to ruckus applause and cheers of “you go girl” and “men ain’t shit”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:05 AM
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🤣🤣🤣 Men want sex to “escalate the depth of the relationship” my ass… thats a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:24 AM
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…yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:10 PM
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As compared to regular men? Absolutely yes. Maybe cheat isn’t the best word, but definitely engage in polygamous relationships with many many partners. One extreme example is Wilt Chamberlain who boasted sleeping with over 10,000 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:08 PM
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So why is it in your opinion that women just happened to be the most viscerally animalistically attracted to the athletes and the musicians and the rock stars and the actors, etc.? And those just happen to also be the men that cheat the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:46 PM
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Yes women dont LIKE cheaters and being cheated on. But the ability to cheat, the ability to attract many women (which is what women ARE attracted to) usually comes with the willingness to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:56 PM
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And women get bored of being pedistalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:04 AM
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How long have you been married?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:02 AM
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I think that women have an innate disgust for men who “can’t get women”. I think their instincts tell them these men are biologically risky as potential mates. This is also imo why cheaters are always able to get sex, because women are innately drawn to men who can and DO get lots of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:07 AM
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Now we typically hear in these spaces that its women who tend towards monogamy where as the men tend to be be more polygamous. I’ve come to believe that men have phases. Yes undoubtedly men have a polygamous phase is their youth. But i also believe men have a pair bonding phase where they become hyper focused on family and children. Humans have both polygamous and monogamous instincts as human children have one of the longest (cant remember the word but) period of needing their parents to surviv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:40 PM
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What about Tiger Woods’ wife she got 250 mil and she doesn’t know SHIT about golf. The idea that marriage settlements are about “fair” distribution of wealth is ridiculous. Its far more arbitrary than people like to admit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:20 PM
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No true Scotsman fallacy applies to ideologies. What YOU did is took a subset of men and extrapolated that onto the larger group. You made an improper and an inaccurate generalization…what fallacy is that? Its cute how you skipped over all the arguments you have no retort for and instead attacked the arguments you perceive as low hanging fruit. You misspoke a bit, the feminists mischaracterized the patriarchy, reconstructed it to remove all accountability from women and THEN blamed the patriarch…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:12 PM
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I did read your post, also 15-20 year olds in YouTube comment sections isn’t “men.” There IS a debate to be had over whether or to what extent Bezos having sex outside his marriage constitutes disloyalty to his wife and his marital commitments, and also how much does a wife actually deserve in a divorce. We know courts overly support the woman. A woman can no fault divorce her husband and be legally entitled to half of his money whether she helped build or not, hell if a woman cheats and has a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:34 AM
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Jeff Bezos is not “men” Also Ive never heard a man say an ex husband deserves half of his ex-wife’s money. What I HAVE heard is laughter and cries of “how’s that equality taste”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:58 AM
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This is a very poor deconstruction of the lock and key analogy. I can’t really say that i agree with how you are characterizing the arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:33 AM
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It’s more gimmicky and awkward than offensive 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:34 AM
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Sounds like cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:23 AM
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Im not but since i cant find the study you have no reason to believe me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:54 AM
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Men haven’t historically just claimed the majority of the financial support. Im pretty sure a study was done that added up the work men did outside of the home and the male specific gendered housework and men still came out doing more work… Also men’s emotional labor goes COMPLETELY ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:23 AM
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Then the alternative is worse, they simply don’t care about men and their needs at all, because husbands have been complaining about not getting enough sex for ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:10 AM
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Its not about being dumb, its about not really understanding the difference between how THEY feel about sex and how men feel about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:03 AM
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Majority of women in my experience also have a difficult time distinguishing between being wanted for sex or being wanted for a serious relationship. A man might not actually care about high N count if he just wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:56 PM
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The same reason anyone should care about anyones preferences. Because if they ever have intentions on serious relationships they need to understand what the other desires, to model their actions and/or realistically understand their own options
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:51 PM
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You can argue that even patriarchies prioritize women’s needs above mens, depending on how you define “patriarchy”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:29 PM
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We’re not driven by “the male psyche” we’re driven by capitalism and women control 75-80 percent of consumer spending. Capitalism responds to women and their whims/concerns. If we were driven by “the male psyche” then misogyny wouldn’t be a thing and misandry would, because men (especially because we have “all the power”) would be more sensitive to the ways in which men are harmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:27 PM
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Im gona take a wild guess that this hasn’t actually settled anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 07:33 PM
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No you can talk your way out of some pussy…being attractive enhances your options definitely but is not some magic bullet
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:41 AM
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And for the record, Ive never cried about women’s preferences, if anything I’ve encouraged men to improve themselves however they can to better their options as much as they can
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:57 PM
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Not in my opinion, respect is earned…thats usually for good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:25 PM
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You’re the one crying now…Men are voicing their opinions and you’re moaning about them having opinions on women’s choices…🤷🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:22 PM
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Why should respect be free and given to all people?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:16 PM
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…And? Women don’t like men’s opinions they don’t have to listen. But if women claim to care about men’s opinions they need to be mindful of their choices. Women have no problem broadcasting their opinions about short men, broke men, little dick men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:07 PM
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Then ignore the men. Why even bother with this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:42 PM
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People are free to do what they want. We are free to judge them and comment however we want. Why do people think that the right to do what you want means everyone has to be closed mouthed and smiley faced about it. Its just a fact that men and women are judged differently for their sexual choices. Shaming men out of their preferences is not likely to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:32 PM
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I would disagree that other women are quite as harsh with black men and cut quite as deep as black women do. And also black women who do get good jobs don’t tend to stay humble about it, and they tend to disrespect black men even more from a misplaced belief of “i did it so if you cant do it you aint SHIT” not considering that black women and black men’s struggles are NOT the same. And that black men don’t have all the same privileges that feminism has taught white women that all men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:00 PM
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As a black man married to a black woman (whom i love but who has her moments) I can confidently say that it is difficult if not impossible to protect a woman who is operating outside of the reasonable boundaries of that protection. It is also difficult to be motivated to protect a woman who is actively hostile and disrespectful to you or rarely bothers to show empathy for your own unique struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:42 PM
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Not true at all. It is a NEW cultural thing where men are becoming less and less willing to help women. And that has something to do with the rise of the “modern woman” and the cultural denigration and feminization of masculinity. One of the most common complaints from black women for instance is that “black men don’t protect black women” which isn’t exactly true, but the perception is there and so they complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:09 PM
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So either you’re an exception or you simply haven’t had those beliefs tested yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:28 PM
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So if you were in that same situation with a male friend or a boyfriend, you wouldn’t have any expectation to be protected in that moment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:22 PM
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Have you ever been in a life threatening situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:19 PM
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Im 39. Sort of in line with this sub, I think that women feel entitled to male attention and male protection. The act of protection is an act of sacrifice. You can’t see someone as an equal partner if you expect them to potentially sacrifice their life for you. You are necessarily prioritizing your own life above theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:22 PM
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Not exactly, the reason why i think men and women cant truly be friends doesn’t entirely have to do with sex, thats just one variable that changes the nature of any potential truly equal partnership. I would even argue that women aren’t capable of seeing men as equal partners either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:09 PM
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Getting a girl and finding someone you are compatible with are not the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:30 AM
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But why have you allowed a relationship to be sexual if you wanted more?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:28 AM
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Not what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 09:45 PM
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I wasn’t saying what should happen. But pretending like sexual attraction doesn’t change the nature of a platonic relationships is willful delusion. I don’t think we really disagree on anything. I think we just have slightly different concepts of “friendship”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 08:16 PM
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Yes and I’ve also had platonic friends that I knew for years that have had boyfriends that I’ve also ended up dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:47 PM
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Yes Im sure they value you as a person as well. But there is a difference between a buddy, and a buddy you think is cute that maybe you might want to have sex with…Now it may not in your mind, but in my mind that means you’re not really friends, you’re something similar but slightly different
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:39 PM
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But they comment if you ask, which means they ARE aware and find you attractive, they just don’t wana “make it weird.” A lot of guys would actually rather be close to a pretty girl rather than risk making it weird and scaring her off. Especially if the purpose of them being there is not to meet women. If you think I’m wrong and you’re feeling bold ask one of your platonic guy friends if they ever thought of dating you. You might have to press a little to push pass the “I never really thought of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:15 PM
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Well guys get used to pretending they’re not attracted to women, which has become more necessary since men and women are more integrated. We don’t want all the women to be creeped out all the time…makes it harder for us to get close to them But yes unfortunately being attracted to a woman will be a constant distraction for most normal heterosexual men. There is no distinction in a mans mind between “attractive” and “sexually attractive” So yes if you are taking deliberate steps to look pretty, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:00 PM
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You’re a woman, guys are different. But i can tell you there is a difference in the Response elicited from a feminine presenting woman and a more masculine presenting woman. Femininity invites masculinity which means if you wana be a girly girl guys are more likely going to feel compelled to compete. Thats why guys are often annoyed by women encroaching into their spaces, because women often want to be women and NOT “one of the guys”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:47 PM
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True and not true. It is simply a fact that most men will be attracted to most women on some level, and this presents a barrier to true friendship. That doesn’t exactly mean that every woman is therefore reduced to fuckable and not fuckable, but it is true that inserting a woman into a man’s group will change the dynamic in the group, because men naturally compete for women’s attention. Its very complicated. I have a girl in my group of gaming friends, but this isn’t really problem because her p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:18 PM
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Children in their formative years get affirmation from their parents. A mature adult, or even an adolescent gets confidence from within and is unaffected by external. On the flip side there are people that because they are so lacking in confidence they might be talented but they don’t see it. People tell them “wow you did a great job” but they don’t see it because they are so insecure. Their lack of confidence prevents then from even being able to acknowledge positive external reinforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:29 PM
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What? …I added in the other “ugly” into my explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:07 PM
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Confidence has nothing to do with being ugly or being attractive. It is the way that an individual values themself. Does that mean that a fat ugly guy who’s confident will have the same success/failure rate as A Chad who’s confident? No but a fat ugly guy who knows his strengths and his weaknesses and is confident will do better than that same fat ugly guy with a doubting self pitying insecure attitude. Men successful in dating will tell you its a numbers game meaning they push through the rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:43 PM
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Not true, there are gross fat dudes with confidence that pull women, and attractive thin dudes that don’t (I use to be one of them)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:18 AM
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Absolutely wrong. This is not an accurate description of confidence, or the experience of being attractive. Its true that parents lift up their children, and instill confidence but thats because a child in their formative years is far more impressionable. Its widely accepted that an adult however that is open to external pressure in the way you’re describe is weak and easily manipulated. Your claim that popular and attractive people are confident because they are popular and attractive is also w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:16 AM
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See that’s the thing…you’re not talking to yourself here. There’s a different set of rules when you’re talking to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:04 AM
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Those assholes ruin the game for everyone, not just women 😠
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:32 AM
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Well obviously loyalty DOESN’T cover all those things…hence the question
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 11:40 PM
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…absolutely was
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:59 PM
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The new one definitely is a feminist female power fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:05 PM
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…So explain to me how watching the new Charlie’s Angles film will help me understand and or get women…🙄 Most female led media is just as unrealistic as porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 11:39 AM
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…because they are confused
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:59 AM
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What? Neutral or bad performances? No what i mean is that men don’t have innate value. They are valued based on their ability to perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 01:06 AM
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…but I prefer the self checkout 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 09:36 PM
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Women don’t like being complimented on their looks because its unoriginal and boring. EVERY guy does it. Women are attracted to guys that stand out not guys that do the same thing as every other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 07:06 PM
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It should be obvious. If a woman’s primary value to men is her biology, being seen generally as an object represents a persistent threat to her own mate selection process/goals of finding the BEST male for her offspring. The problem is just that sexual attraction is not a laser beam its a broadcast. I think thats why we developed all these social rituals like chilvary and such, so that men can demonstrate to women that they aren’t a threat. On the other hand i don’t get the sense that men really…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 05:30 PM
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Again you miss the point. This isn’t about morals or ethics, or what the best choice is, or what someone’s subjective preference is. Its about who has the power to make a choice and whose choice is imposed onto the other. The one who has that power is undoubtedly more culpable. Almost every time i have this conversation with a woman it is practically impossible to get her to accept this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:10 PM
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Ur mad. The fact that a woman can choose to abort or keep a baby despite the fathers wishes makes NO difference? If thats what you’re going to come back with there’s nothing more I can say…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 01:13 PM
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She doesn’t just have “an additional option” she has many more options as well as legal enforcement of her choices. When a baby is born it is 100% due to the mothers choices or lack there of. Because women are in control of sex i’d say a man is no more than 30% responsible for even getting a woman pregnant. There are so many different forms of contraception, and on top of that a woman has an awareness of her body and her cycle and when shes likely to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 12:32 PM
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Even in your response you’re failing (on purpose) to acknowledge it’s her OPTION to abort or not, or to forfeit the baby or not. Some times a woman can legally give up the child even if the father wants to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:21 AM
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You’re missing the point entirely. A woman has choices and no legal ramifications. A man has NO choice, and is legally responsible for the woman’s choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:50 AM
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But in the west the woman has all the power and choice in terms of keeping and having the baby. A man’s options are condoms or abstinence. And honestly you can remove condoms from that short list because a woman can steal the condom inseminate herself and still be legally entitled to support from the father. So when a woman has a baby it is entirely her choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:55 AM
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This just reads like a young guy who, despite all the research, just doesn’t understand women because they are different from men, has never been loved by a woman, or has never pleased a woman. And i don’t mean this at all as an attempt to shame. To say that because there aren’t external indicators of a woman’s arousal means its a myth that women even have a sex drive is dumb…No their genitalia is internal. They are biologically different, psychologically different, and even employ different str…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:38 AM
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Bingo 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:03 PM
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But who’s worse…the asshole? Or the one that looks at the asshole and says “hmm I’d like to have his baby”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:41 PM
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Well for the second option you don’t KNOW that the love is real either…otherwise we wouldn’t have divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 07:49 PM
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I don’t understand the options, the way you spell out option #1 you make it seem like she’s a robot or something or there’s some magical spell that forces her against her will or some weirdness. I like the certainty in option #1, but the weird slave thing you kinda got going on there is worrisome 😬 Need some clarification…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 07:03 PM
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🤣sounds like you’re just severely introverted, maybe even a bit autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:20 AM
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Well considering that about 23% of men cheat and about 19% of women cheat, and also the fact that most domestic violence is bi-directional that still doesn’t really justify that women file for divorce about the 75% if the time Add in the fact that the courts are still so heavily biased towards women and against men id say its still kinda crappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:53 PM
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Im married, and faithful, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:48 PM
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Basically, theres an excitement to new sex that i think is hard wired into most men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:48 PM
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Well honestly i think men tend to get bored of the sameness of marital sex. Thats why they role play, and swing, and some times cheat, or have side chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:40 PM
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I said my dating life before i changed my attitude and my behavior was poor
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:37 PM
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Oh Im definitely that handsome. Tall, in good shape, dark skin, brown eyes, long eye lashes, wavey hair, pierced left ear. And I’ve had women make the first move, and relative strangers proposition me with sex. I’ve had women find me on social media that I used to go to high school with to see how Im doing out of the blue. I’ve also had the experience of asking women out as the old me (still attractive) and basically getting the nice guy brush off, and asking women out as the older me and gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:14 PM
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A very common and untrue sentiment in RP circles . I’ve ALWAYS been attractive, like literally one of the best looking guys in the room. But I had very poor dating success until about my early to mid twenties when i started to make some behavioral changes. Physical attraction isn’t enough. I was the quiet handsome lonely fly on the wall until my twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:42 PM
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By your characterization of “doing fine” which is just finding a partner, I could struggle through a lifetime of loneliness failed dating attempts and misery and find a partner at 40 and I’ve “done fine.” So yes when most people hear “doing fine” that implies enjoying a modicum of general success in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:09 PM
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Finding a partner is not “doing fine.” Doing fine in terms of dating success implies getting dates and having reasonable amounts of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:40 AM
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So you think that just because something is pervasive in movies and TV that it must be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:35 AM
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I’m an older guy (well 39) and i HAVE noticed this growing sentiment with younger guys, they do things for validation more. It seems awfully feminine to me. I saw a post from some bodybuilding channel that the YouTube algorithm has been throwing in my face where a guy said something to the effect of “If you see a guys been working hard, just give him a compliment.” I was dumbfounded. It seems like such a feminine thing to be putting your body through all that just for some compliments on your ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 09:53 AM
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I just think that when you’re by yourself there are limits on your happiness that are lower. Because we’re a social species we are most happy when we are able to successfully long term pair bond. There are just different types of experiences you can have in a relationship that just aren’t possible alone. The problem is opening up yourself in that manner in our current landscape you have a much greater chance of falling into pits of despair or living a depressingly mundane life (if you’re lucky) …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:55 AM
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Patriarchal societies can still be gynocentric. Yes men have majority of the positions of power but 70-80% of consumer decisions are made for or by women. That means basically women control capitalism. And what have men done with all their power? Have they made the world into some man’s paradise like feminists claim? Well not really. They’ve made a world where 93 percent of work place deaths/injuries are male, no fault divorce means 55% marriages go down the tubes (75% initiated by women) and me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:53 AM
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They said that the validation was the REASON they pursued hookups? Or just remarked on the fact that the ability to hookup comes with the second-hand effect of validating your sexual market place value?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:00 AM
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Assuming you find the LTR thats worth it, you’re willing to sacrifice your desire for variety. A good LTR imo gets you to different heights of “happiness” than the short fleeting satisfaction of even a good hookup. But since true relationship happiness seems scarce, men who can, opt to satisfy their more base needs
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:56 AM
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I don’t think hookups are really about “validation” I think the male sex drive is just tuned to variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:14 PM
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I think that a lot of RP men are rightly skeptical of the legitimate “happiness” that can be extracted from LTRs. The mantra after all is “happy wife happy life” and the sentiment seems to be the same for non-marital relationships. There isn’t really an emphasis on making men happy and an awful lot of shaming of male desires. We’re kinda expected to just magically find happiness in the process of making the woman happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:05 PM
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🤣🤣🤣 To be fair, I’ve only sent dick pics upon request…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:17 AM
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👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:30 AM
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I don’t mind answering questions and explaining my views, but it gets tiring. Sometimes i just like to come in here and muck about…lightly troll some dickhead…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:02 AM
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You’re making a lot of assumptions and don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about You sure have a stick up your ass about this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:47 PM
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I don’t agree to any of your characterizations of these preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:38 PM
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No we don’t need to completely abandon standards, and no one is asking women to be submissive slaves. I reject your post
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:16 PM
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I’ve been arguing all up and down this sub, I’m done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:40 PM
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Get out of your feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:38 PM
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I never said men should always have their parental rights even in abuse. I wouldn’t have said that because I don’t believe it. I feel I’ve made my opinion fairly clear. Goodnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:24 AM
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Ive been talking to several different people on this sub…but my original objection was to the suggestion that a man that chooses a financial abortion should have a permanent restraining order as well. There was no abuse implied. Just a one night stand, she gets pregnant, she decides to keep the baby, he says im not ready, she says im gona have it anyway. Abuse is not required
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:12 AM
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Honestly you changed the argument by introducing abuse. My argument was never that a rapist, a molestor, or a violent maniac should have access to their children. Of course they should be in jail…🤨 Using extreme cases only pollutes the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:02 AM
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She was in a relationship with this man, had consensual sex with this man, many times, got pregnant by this man, kept this man’s baby… Considering that most inter-partner violence is bi-directional yes her validity as a parent should also be questioned
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:53 AM
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“Sure it is, to use to the most obvious example, if he's abusive, physically, emotionally, sexually, etc., obviously in the best interest of the child to not have him have legal custody.” And what of the woman who had sex with kept, and had a baby by this man. Is she the best candidate to be raising and making decisions for a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:50 AM
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It’s never in the best interests of the child to erect additional barriers between a child and a father. Again many people have suggested a man should pay back child support. This suggests that a mans only value to a child is his wallet…very sexist, very misandrist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:40 AM
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Fair enough i never implied a father who chooses a financial abortion should have legally bestowed rights or benefits of fatherhood. If the mother unilaterally chooses to have the child she should have the responsibility and all the legal rights and benefits that come along with it. My opinion is that in the actual best interests of the child if a father later decides to be a part of the child’s life he should be allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:28 AM
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Never mentioned custody… but several people have implied the idea of “fatherhood benefits.” what exactly do you mean by fatherhood benefits, and how do they benefit the father exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:19 AM
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So Im assuming for consistency’s sake you don’t believe mothers who give up their children to adoption should have the option of reunification, or even the possibility of an relationship with their children either?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:03 AM
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My initial comment was to refute that there should be a permanent restraining order with the financial abortion, which ISN’T for the benefit of the child but to appease a spiteful vengeful mother. A woman can also legally abandon the child, which also isn’t for the child’s benefit. If women really were primarily interested in the child’s best interest there wouldn’t be so many single mothers raising multiple children. In fact I’ll give women enough credit to say that they have been wrongfully so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:00 AM
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No i want men to have the choice to be a father just like women have the choice to be a mother. And no just because a woman’s abortion is final doesn’t mean you should take additional legal steps to MAKE a man’s financial abortion just as final…just call it another unfortunate male privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 12:12 AM
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Life actually can work like that. My initial reply was to your desire to basically have a restraining order with the financial abortion, which imo is unnecessary and spiteful Would you say that a mother who was addicted to drugs and has her baby taken away should have a permanent restraining order? Should she NEVER be able to rehabilitate and be a part of her child’s life if she so chooses?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:55 PM
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Having to work extra hours for 18 years absolutely infringes on a man’s bodily autonomy. And being considered gutter trash by a spiteful, hateful, hypocrite means literally nothing to me 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:40 PM
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Yes its very complicated as well as people emotions which are often temporary. But the same freedom a woman has to not be forced into motherhood, I believe men should have. I also believe that a man and the child shouldn’t be permanently punished because a man’s emotions at that time were understandably “I don’t want a child right now”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:22 PM
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If the mother chooses to keep a child from a one night stand without any guarantees from a potential father the child is likely better off without HER. And i never said the father should have a RIGHT to the child after a financial abortion. I believe the option for future involvement or possible reunification shouldn’t be spitefully closed off. I never even said that a financial abortion implies no financial involvement from the father. Just that a woman shouldn’t be able to unilaterally decide …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:48 PM
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You women scream bloody murder at the thought of politicians taking your right to abortion away, and possibly FORCING you to have a child you don’t want to have, while you opt to FORCE a man to accept a child HE didn’t consent to, or pay for a child he never consented to or be thrown in jail all for a child he never chose to be involved with And then to top it off you want to spitefully deny a man (and the child) a change of heart and any possible future reunification. What a spiteful, hateful, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:35 PM
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Exactly, which as I said is spiteful, selfish, and has nothing to do with the “best interests of the child” and has everything to do with her hurt feelings and her desire to punish the father, usually to the detriment of the child. Thank you for being honest
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:17 PM
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We can ask questions back and forth, if making sure the child had adequate support was so important to the mother she would have established all that before she decided to have the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:02 PM
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Why should a women get the benefits of having financial support for the child she chose to have without being married first? But to be frank its not about the father extracting some benefit from parenthood, its about the child benefiting from having a father in his or her life…in any capacity, assuming the woman chooses to have a baby by a man who’s a semi decent human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 09:40 PM
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Does that come with a restraining order the way its suggested should be in place for men who want a financial abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 09:14 PM
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That just seems spiteful
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 09:12 PM
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Her point is valid from her perspective, but it’s wrong based on what it assumes, because its based on ignorance or misconceptions of male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:32 PM
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A guy will meet people he wants to sleep with every time he goes outside. He may only meet someone he wants to get to know and spend time with only every once in a while
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:40 AM
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I’ve heard enough women in here say that they AREN’T necessarily attracted to guys with high body counts that i actually believe them (and it makes sense considering other things that seem to be true). The problem is what women DO find attractive in men tend to coincide with men who’ve had lots of sex. Physical attractiveness, physical fitness, charisma, social acuity, confidence, competence, power, strength, restraint, emotional control, etc, those qualities (and more) tend to go hand and hand …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 03:39 AM
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Not sure I agree with the first half of your post, but the ending? yeah basically
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 03:14 AM
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🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 11:00 PM
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Technically for your first point it shows that he hasn’t valued relationships with any of the women that he’s slept with. Not that he doesn’t value relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:26 PM
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Yes i can think of many more examples but i can see your strategy is NOT actually to engage with the argument directly, but either ignore, deflect, circumvent, or to mosquito bite it to death and then declare victory once I lose interest, so let me help you out…Im done 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:09 PM
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No I wouldn’t, I live in Atlanta…😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:01 PM
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Chivalry is not “a politeness expected of women.” As a single example when the Titanic sank women and children got off first while the men stayed behind and died, how exactly is that “a politeness expected of women” 🤨?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:58 PM
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This isn’t going anywhere, we all know who killed chivalry. Your claims are bogus
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:48 PM
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I mean a man cant be “run through” 🤣 …unless he’s bi
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:23 PM
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And there are a variety of situations where men get ignored as well, you’re doing a terrible job of justifying the claim that women by default are treated with disrespect and general unkindness. Though it has diminished quite a bit chivalry is still a thing…whats the male equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:20 PM
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If were talking dating then no the average man is much more likely to be ignored than the average woman. What specific scenario are you describing where a woman is ignored when shes trying to be noticed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:09 PM
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Being ignored is not unkindness unless you feel entitled to attention. The MAJORITY of men are ignored, especially by women. Most men are generally far more willing to accommodate the average woman than the average man. How have you reached your conclusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:54 PM
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A woman’s value is NOT 90% her looks. A 10 with an attitude, a narcissistic personality and 0 relationship skills has NO value to a high value man. Shes a liability, a headache…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:47 PM
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How exactly do most women by default get a lack of respect and general unkindness?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:43 PM
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Reality is sexist, sexual dimorphism is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:01 PM
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Women who say men get respect automatically don’t understand what respect is between men. Men definitely don’t automatically get kindness from other men. Respect is not an entitlement how most women think. It is an earned benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:00 PM
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…expressive sociable personalities? So introverts never get married? Where’d you pull that idea from? 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:19 AM
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This is not a statement of fact in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:17 AM
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Don’t really see the point of this post 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:16 AM
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For the record i never endorsed or even agreed that men “suppress” their emotions. But from the outside what men do most of the time looks the same as suppressing emotions. I believe what men do (and/or what they should do) is focus their emotions into problem solving. But as an example if me and the wife are out and we’re jumped by a guy with a knife, my immediate emotion is terror. If i were alone i might run, but because I’m with her i cant actually give into my fear, i have to confront the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:29 PM
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Thats not always viable or optimal, and can sometimes be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:05 PM
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Like i said including some facts while leaving out other facts creates the illusion of truth, your feminism is lies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:48 PM
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Your beliefs are NOT based on historical fact. Your beliefs and ideologies are based on a biased interpretation of certain historical facts while excluding other historical facts. And my beliefs are not based solely on anecdotal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:58 PM
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Ok well my understanding and experience of being an intelligent man for 40 years trumps your BELIEFS about feminism and oppression and history when we’re talking about male emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:21 PM
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I generally don’t speak in terms of oppression when talking about male/female historical relations because that often frames events in a way that is prejudicial to the point of being counterfactual. But this is an unnecessary tangent. What started us down this path was the idea that women choose men. If essentially you believe that because of oppression women never really chose men instead men and masculinity was something that was imposed upon women. Then we’re simply viewing the field from dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:05 PM
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For most of history most men couldn’t vote either. And saying women had a difficult time is one thing, saying they were oppressed directly juxtaposes their experience to the typical male experience which was also full of hardship and restrictions and unfairness. So the term “oppression” is NOT warranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:18 PM
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Everyone was treated like shit, life and surviving was hard and many more men than women died back in those times so no I won’t grant you that “women were oppressed” Besides that gen Zers and millennials are not at all setting good examples for happy and healthy relationships. Depression, suicide, reported unhappiness all rising
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:55 PM
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And women have sexually selected for stoicism in men. You cant just separate male behavior from female preference like that. Men didn’t develop in a vacuum. They survived along side women for thousands of years
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:34 PM
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I don’t know how many times I’ve heard WOMEN say to a man “what you gay or somethin?” Though Im black so our women tend to be a little more harsh and direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:27 PM
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Women participate in the bullying of bad male emotions just as much as boys, its arguable that the men are simply enforcing the rules set by women. After all women are in large part responsible for defining masculinity. Even in using terms like a “healthy way” to express your emotions is proving my point that woman DON’T actually want male emotions. They want a version of male emotions tailored to their sensibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:21 PM
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I think the reasons why men bottle up their emotions is because since masculinity is performative, we live under the constant fear that we lose our value. We also learn at an early age that women DON’T actually like us expressing certain emotions. Ive talked to/listened to many men who have confirmed they’ve had the experience of expressing too much of their emotions or expressing the wrong emotions and the women actually withdrew and became less attracted to them. I myself was able to get my wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:59 AM
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The underlying assumption being that “lets talk about it” is always the best way for men to deal with their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:27 AM
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This…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:04 AM
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So she actually doesn’t want him to be emotionally open (despite what she says), she just wants a sliver of his emotions…the ones that involve her and feed her ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:01 AM
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No when women usually talk about “emotional communication” they’re usually talking about communicating in a female way. There is rarely consideration for understanding or empathizing with the way in which men experience and deal with emotions. It typically is a woman demanding a man change the way he deals with his emotions to suit her needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:59 AM
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…yeah who gives a shit about statistics am I right? I mean its not like there are people in those studies or anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 09:35 PM
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Even though I admit its becoming more common for modern women, you’re probably still the exception
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 02:00 PM
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How bout you read what i wrote and NOT what you believe is between the lines
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 01:58 PM
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I never did anything of the sort, Its obvious you’re not interested in engaging with anything I’ve actually said and just have a bone to pick. So i’ll leave you to your own devices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 01:13 PM
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Yes now show me where I said anything justifying lying to your girl/spouse, or cheating on your girl/spouse. That comment was refuting the claim that cheaters like the drama and sneakiness. My point was “no men just want sex” If you’re going to respond to my comment please respond to what I’ve said and NOT to what someone said in some conversation you had a week ago over in some other forum
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 11:14 AM
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Jesus fucking Christ I NEVER said that either. I’m not here to dispute the private dialogue you have going on in your head…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:44 AM
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Do you have reading comprehension issues? Or are you just being dense on purpose? When did I even use the word “need.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:25 AM
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I guess you missed the “i don’t endorse lying” part. Besides stating a truth about male sexuality is NOT equal to justifying “piss poor behavior”. Im married and I’ve never cheated, but I don’t pretend that I’m no longer attracted to other women, and my wife doesn’t get offended when she notices that I’m attracted to other women. In fact being honest about it has made her MORE secure in our relationship because she knows I choose her every minute of every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 12:36 AM
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It’s disrespectful to the rules of monogamy yes, but not to most Men’s emotional capacity for simultaneous love and meaningless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 12:28 AM
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I think being a friend is sometimes a little contradictory to being in a romantic relationship. Sure couples often describe their partner as “their best friend” but it’s not really the same as a best friend. Its an intimate “best friend”. It kinda goes along with the idea a fair amount of RPers subscribe to that men and women cant really be platonic friends (or at least rarely can be). And theres ALWAYS an element of attraction (from both sides because men tend to be easily attracted to a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:47 PM
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I think thats more true for men, sex is more mechanical for men and more emotional for women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:25 PM
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…Is this a troll question?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:17 PM
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Sure i don’t endorse lying and stuff, but your initial point was that people who cheat want the allure and sneakiness. I disagree at least for guys they often just want sex when they want it, and they also what their girl, and they rightly understand most women wont go for that. Not justifying it but men are simple creatures. Its not about the drama and sneakiness, and “forbiddenness.” If guys could have their girl and have all the extra sex they wanted with no stress they would do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:07 PM
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I’ve never cheated But I’ve been in situations where I was in a bad relationship and there was another woman that I liked/liked me and I was tempted to cheat. I’ve also been in a good relationship, where I found someone else I liked/liked me and i had no desire to leave my current partner, I just wanted her too. I was pretty happy with my current situation, but I also felt the magnetic pull towards this other woman. So I had to separate myself before I “made a move” because my current partner wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:43 PM
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Thats not true. I think this is more true for men than for women, but you can love one woman, have sex with other women and still love and want to be with that same women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:33 PM
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You’re conflating 2 things. Being good at sex, and consistently getting women. Those are two entirely different things. That weakens your point. I would also disagree that on average women “communicate quite well.” This is a bit of a myth. Yes women talk, but in my opinion are often not willing or able to communicate honestly and/or in a way men can easily understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 05:27 AM
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I think this is an extreme and toxic version a woman’s primal drive to seek provision, but is not universalizable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:25 PM
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They’re also more likely to be the victims of public square violence, and work place injury and death, also less money is allocated to research into fatal diseases for men as compared to women, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:01 PM
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Men die of everything more than women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:10 AM
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Then your studies are wrong or you’re misinterpreting the data, or you’re missing part of the data. Because many studies have shown that women DO release bonding hormones when they orgasm for instance, which makes sense because the female body assumes “this man is probably the father of my children…or will be” So the idea that “women don’t release bonding hormones around men” is incorrect and taken out of context. You are taking in information and bridging the gap with your own opinion to reach …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:46 AM
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No all you’ve shown is that women don’t release bonding hormones just by looking at men the same way men do which makes sense, because majority of what a man wants from a woman (evolutionarily) can be received visually or assumed by her appearance. Whereas for women what a woman wants/needs from a man can not be gleaned from simple visual queues. A man doesn’t look like a good, competent protector and provider that has to be demonstrated. Where as if a woman looks attractive, physically healthy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:36 AM
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Ooooohhh so men and women are different? Yeah I already knew that thanks for the 95 studies though…😬
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:19 AM
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On a certain level (depending how you’re choosing to interpret the data) neither men nor women “love” one another we’re all just animals doing what animals do for the sake of the species. You’ve proven absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:05 AM
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Women always say men “changed” when whats going on is they ignore red flags. There are so many women that just happen to constantly accidentally date bad guys and so many guys in the loser/lame category that complain about getting overlooked by women thats it’s difficult for meto believe your claim. How nice can a guy pretend to be when he’s rapping about raping women and aborting the fetuses…🫤 Not buying it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 08:40 PM
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…you got me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:42 PM
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Just go watch videos of women describing what they want in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:58 PM
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Exceptions don’t disprove the rule. The fact that financial reasons is one of the leading causes of divorce proves the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:16 PM
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I think the disconnect is that you seem to think that because women are able to fall for men in various situations that my point is invalid. My original statement was not financial security is a precondition for falling in love. But that it is a precondition for love. I don’t view “Falling in love” and love as synonymous. Furthermore my opinion is based on word of mouth of women, my own experiences in relationships and being married, observations of my own parents who are still married today as …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:51 PM
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No i made a statement, and your response was “people do this so that proves your statement false” I gave a similar example
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:03 PM
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Sure I can say that abuse is bad for relationships. The fact that many people repeatedly get into and stay in abusive relationships doesn’t detract from the fact that abuse is bad for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:02 PM
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I have some undeveloped theories about how trauma and emotional damage can throw off a woman’s mate selection mechanism which causes them to constantly select bad men and avoid good men which is very common in the black community. I also have a sister who makes good money and is happily married to a man who for health reasons cant work. There are exceptions to every rule, but it’s still the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:07 PM
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There are a-lot of people that “fall in love” that crash and burn just as spectacularly. My claim is not that people in successful relationships necessarily TREAT them as transactions. It is an observation that relationship ARE transactional. Acknowledging that relationships are transactional is simply admitting that people need things. And that a relationship is only functional because each partner is able to supply the partners needs. Its that love is not magic, it is the result of an apprecia…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:31 AM
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Here’s one https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/common-reasons-marriages-end.html It used to be higher on the list but its still top 5 in most studies I’ve seen. As a response to your comment the “falling in love” is the easy part but making it out of the honeymoon phase is a different story, that’s where things start to fall apart and how you really feel about each other becomes more apparent. Im not even sure I would consider the initial “falling” phase part of the actual love process.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:30 AM
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Women can and do fall in love for suboptimal reasons and with poor expectations (or at least they fall in lust and become infatuated) and thats why most relationships don’t last and 50% or marriages fail. Women have fallen in love because the sex is good but those relationships usually end very badly. I think you’re taking my comment in a direction i didn’t necessarily Intend . My initial point is that relationships are transactional by nature, and love doesn’t just “happen” like in the movies. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:26 PM
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…yes it’s a precondition
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:16 PM
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Well no and keep in mind that I’m only using 2 thumbs so my explanations will only be SO complex, but financial security is ONE of the preconditions not the only precondition. And i think that is verified statistically by the top reasons marriages fail and also by the word of mouth of women. Most if not all women say that their preference for a partner is a man that makes just as much if not more than them, or a man who is “ambitious” which translates to “he is hard working and competent and at …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:11 PM
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Sure they are connected, biological needs/features inform social needs and behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:48 PM
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Yes “A” precondition…not “the only” precondition
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:46 PM
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Just a petty bitch aintcha?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:05 PM
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Yes and most relationships end and 50% percent on marriages fail. Thats why i believe I said finances is ONE of the pre conditions, and still always ranks high on the list of why marriages fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:10 PM
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Sure in principal a set of social behaviors either works to the benefit or the detriment of a group of people. It cant be a coincidence that people separated by geography, language, culture, etc come up with similar social structures and gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:50 PM
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Fine…you win, I used the term “financial security” in a slightly non colloquial way. You can go about the rest of your day
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:45 PM
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Would she rather date a man making 15k a year or a man with no job
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:37 PM
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I never mentioned the word “gold digger” you did. And even a poor woman who desires a man that makes more than her perceives him as being able to provide financial security even if literally their situation is precarious. You disagree with me on principle and you are TRYING to prove me wrong…and failing, you’ve made many bad assumptions, and at this point i really have to ask you to get out of your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:32 PM
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You’re quibbling over symantecs, poor women are still like other women in that they want men who make as much as them or more
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:35 PM
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Who said that? You’re making a lot of wrong assumptions. Poor people still desire financial security its just at a lower threshold. Even poor women generally want their man to make at least as much as they make preferably more
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:19 PM
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Social evolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:17 PM
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I never said desiring financial security is equivalent to gold digging… I said it is a pre-condition for love
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:13 PM
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…Wrong, I’m married and both of my parents are still married, try again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:08 PM
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You have to make generalities. Without generalities you couldn’t make any decisions just because of the logistical impossibility of acquiring all necessary information for each individual decision. The goal is to try to ensure that your generalities adhere to reality as much as possible, and that goes with gender as well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:15 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, and don’t think it contradicts my point. But where do the resentment and the negative feelings come from? They generally come from someone feeling like they’ve been misled or bamboozled into a commitment with someone who actually isn’t qualified to provide them with what they want. It comes from feeling like you’ve wasted good years on someone who never was what they were able to convince you that they were. But I completely disagree with you and believe that …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:45 PM
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Yes RPers would agree with that statement, but NOT with your original statement
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:38 AM
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…RPers DO believe in friends and family, what point are you trying to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:35 AM
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The pre-conditions for love are basically all the things the partners want a partner to be or wants a partner to do. Once they stop being those things or stop doing those things they usually fall out of love. Thats why finances is one of the main reasons for divorce…He stopped providing me with financial security
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:33 AM
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I think RPers believe in love. I think they just understand the transactional nature of love, and have come to the conclusion that the transaction is imbalanced/intolerably unfair, or that the investment of time, energy, money, etc has diminishing returns in our current dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:30 AM
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Do women have it easier to “date” or to get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:54 AM
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Well I’m not a “young man” I’m 39. I cant say I was really influenced by anyone. I can remember even when i was in high school before i knew what feminism was being perplexed by some of the opinions women around me expressed. I think Karen Straughan was one of the people that I remember most who was really able to put RP ideas into focus. As a response to your question “where do guys learn not to like feminism?” Why would guys LIKE feminism. Feminism does enough work on its own to turn off any m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 01:52 AM
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I think your experience HAS made you a bit of a cynic and an outlier which is understandable depending on the circumstances, but I think that we are biologically incentivized to feel greater senses of purpose, satisfaction, happiness through pair-bonding, marriage and family. For instance if you could never do or never see one of these again which would you choose; job hobbies and friends, or you children?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 11:51 AM
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There may be an argument to the idea that in our current dating/marriage environment, the risk just isn’t worth it because the rewards continue to diminish and there’s no security for men. But thats to say that greater happiness is no longer accessible, and that you would instead choose to settle for contentment. Thats NOT to say that you’ve found true happiness alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:06 AM
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Yes some of our evolved behaviors are garbage, some are not. I think because we live in this civilized, industrialized, technology infused world that a lot of women get tricked into thinking that men should and can just be these fluffy bawling teady bears. I think part of this comes from the fact that I truly believe that a woman NEVER truly sees a mans true nature. And in my experience and in talking and listening to many men, the moment a woman gets just a hint of a mans emotions, his fears, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:14 PM
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Everyone is objectified, women just complain about theirs the most
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 10:19 PM
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Cant I similarly turn your argument around on you? Just because you can’t fathom the value in relationships or can’t see past the risk doesn’t mean there isn’t value there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:56 PM
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Again your whole objection to relationships is about fear of failure and risk avoidance, NOT genuine contentment and happiness. Have you talked to a lot of 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 year old single people, or listened to their opinions on the matter? Or are you just speaking conceptually from opinions you’ve constructed in your own head?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:25 PM
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Yikes 😬 Yeah for boys i would agree that the experience is more characterized by being completely ignored or being bullied
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:05 PM
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A phobia is usually an irrational fear. Irrational fears are typically extremely unhealthy and you WOULD encourage people to face these fears so that THEY have control of their lives and not the Phobia. Acknowledging that there is a risk in something is rational and allows you to navigate that thing in as risk free a manner as reasonably possible. The denial and avoidance that you are expressing are more characteristic of an irrational fear. To claim, even in error, that the greater levels of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:01 PM
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🤣 also another good point. I guess I see from both sides as Ive been In both situations. Ive been in a place where i had a decent job, nice place to stay that had just enough space for me and if I occasionally wanted to invite some friends over. My car was eventually paid off, and i had 3 hobbies/activities that I really loved; video games, Thai boxing, and the gun range. I had enough money saved up for an overnight trip to the beach every once in a while. I was fairly comfortable and had a leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:49 AM
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Fair enough, but even surveys of men and women in the “never married” category report generally lower levels of satisfaction
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:22 AM
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I think you’re missing the point, I’ve read a few of your exchanges on this post. The “happiness in being single” is NOT actually happiness. It’s fear of the risk of failure. The main motivator of avoiding relationship from your perspective is NOT because you’ve found happiness and contentment being single, or that you love being single, is that your afraid of slipping into a bad situation and being miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:20 AM
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Thats not true, I’m the US as we see divorce numbers up, and marriage numbers going down we see depression going up and reported happiness for men and women consistently going down. Over in Japan they’re in a state of panic because the citizens aren’t having enough children to replace the retiring elderly population, so they’re incentivizing child bearing and even relaxing laws on immigration/foreign citizenship. Seems that marriage and children IS a much more inherently valuable pursuit
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:46 AM
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I’m confused we’re you a prepubescent child being harassed by sex offenders or were you a high schooler being harassed by sex offenders…and other adult men. Because I imagine going to a school near a halfway house for sex offenders is a fairly unique experience that not even most women can identify with. But any way girls hit puberty in high school. It is an uncomfortable fact that when a girl hits puberty she will start becoming physically attractive to not only boys her age but adult men. No f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 02:10 AM
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I don’t think you can use Steve Jobs, Tesla, Bezos, and Newton to make conclusions about the 99.999999% of guys. Besides I seriously doubt these guys were “satisfied.” The nature of constantly improving upon past iterations of anything is to NEVER truly be satisfied. Wasn’t newton extremely anti-social and generally terrible to be around? I can’t remember if it was him or another old historical smart guy…🤔Bezos is a prime example of a vampire capitalist if there ever was one. Whats the greater c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 07:51 PM
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I’m not talking about “romance” I’m speaking more in terms of the greater satisfaction involved in marriage, family, and raising children. That opens up a greater range of happiness (but yes also potentially greater pits of despair) than is available to someone by themself with their hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 07:13 PM
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Thats one end of the MGTOW spectrum, and imo at least a more honest perspective. But pretending like hobbies and activities is a substitute for an intimate connection is just a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 06:59 PM
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The idea that “society” creates the pressure for people to be in relationships is the same type of argument that “society” creates gender roles. The idea is not that you’ve found “true happiness” being alone so you don’t NEED to find happiness in a relationship. The idea is that by being comfortable with yourself and not being dependent on someone else for your own self worth, you wont over-burden the person you eventually end up in a relationship with and risk ruining the relationship by being …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 02:52 PM
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I don’t accept your definition of “nice guys” …even though that is how it has colloquially come to be used.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:48 AM
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No I wouldn’t do that. Just like I wouldn’t need my wife to experience all the things i have to put up with in general as a man, and in being in a relationship with her. I just need her to be aware of the fact that I have a world of experiences just like she does but a little different and to have a little empathy. Every once in a while she forgets and we have to talk and I have to remind her. Just because I don’t outwardly erupt my emotions the same way she sometimes does doesn’t mean I’m not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:17 PM
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Or he’s just in his bubble, and has uncritically accepted the talking point, that TRP is just another racist, misogynist, toxic masculinist, transphobic, fascist, right wing conservative movement
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 11:06 AM
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Ask me if I give a shit…I grew out of trying to prove my blackness long ago. Even though I have an African name, and know more about my history than most, my blackness was questioned because I was smart, I spoke properly, and, was a nerd before being a nerd was ok, It doesn’t bother me much anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 10:58 AM
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Culture will affect which tool is used far more than individual users intent. There’s barely a difference between the average BP/RP 20 year old male’s intent…whats the deciding principle there?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:16 AM
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That assumes that men are far more single minded than they actually are, and that they approach dating/sex in a vacuum, as if no other experiences or conditions play a factor. Womanizing didn’t become a thing only when TRP came along…arguably the most successful womanizers are fairly blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:02 AM
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The user can have intersecting intents. You’re left to assume which one is operative. Both blue pill and red pill men desire sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:41 AM
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How the red pill is used is a reflection of the user’s intent not necessarily TRP itself. Yes there are some tools that are specialized while other tools are far more general.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:35 AM
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waves red pill black guy here, been here for years. And we finally have a fairly thriving “black manosphere.” Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And its hardly a “Right-wing movement”.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:58 AM
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Hippies and rockstars is a bad example. Women don’t love rockstars for their kindness, and everybody in that scene is on E anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:17 PM
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I don’t think It’s unanimously agreed that evil and violent men are attractive to women. A “bad boy” isn’t exactly evil, and not necessarily violent
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:14 PM
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39/m, Hate going to the regular Gym (+Covid, +introverted) just started working from home so saw this as a perfect opportunity to get back in shape. I workout about about 5-6 days a week: Sun-Tue-Thu-Fri (Friday is optional) jog 3-5 miles. Jog + cooldown takes about an hour. Mon-Wed 4 min jump rope, 18-20 bulgarian split squats - each leg (2 sets w/ weighted vest), 30 elevated calf raises - each leg (2 sets w/ weighted vest), 20 explosive squat jumps (2 sets w/ weighted vest), 25 one leg glute b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 04:16 AM
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For a fair amount of men dating life is and will be grim. Trying to convince every guy that he can be a sex god with 3 short steps is pure delusion. Unfortunately that strategy is a pretty big revenue stream in the RP community at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:47 AM
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Also a lot of self reporting
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:44 PM
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How do men and women have roughly the same number of sexual partners when 1 in 3 men under 30 are either virgins or haven’t had sex in a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:41 PM
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Paternity fraud should absolutely be criminalized and is a kin to rape. To say otherwise is to believe that women should not only be exempt from being punished for their bad behavior, but to believe that they should be rewarded
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:33 PM
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That is such a backwards way of thinking 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:47 PM
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Yes before it was men who reported more unhappiness, but the last few decades women are reporting more unhappiness than men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:59 PM
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Yes i agree that many of men and women’s instincts are in direct conflict with a modern industrial, technological world. I think that is actually the root of a lot of the modern conflict between men and women. Im just not sure what can be done to fix that problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 04:17 PM
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Women are risk averse because they have the option to be. Men have a “winner take all” attitude because by and large thats the only way he will be able to survive. There was no other path to a semi-comfortable life for him Lol yes poor women, they should be first in line for the poison? Oh the horror…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:46 PM
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There’s some truth to that, but there are still a lot of hard jobs we’re just better at distracting ourselves. US 2.8 million work places injuries, 5,333 workplace fatalities annually, 95% male. And I wouldn’t exactly call working “a privilege” it was a requirement based on social responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:17 PM
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According to studies women are reporting more unhappiness than men, now alot of the studies I’ve seen speculate about the gender pay gap, and high amounts of gendered violence, even though the west is safer than ever, and men are statistically more likely to be the victims of violence, and the wage gap is basically imaginary
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:36 PM
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Yes we were all taught a version of the “women are wonderful” effect
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:25 PM
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Sounds like a foodie date, we’ve all be duped before, no shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:16 PM
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Feminists have their work cut out for them because as we’re seeing as more and more women enter the work force women are becoming more depressed, more unhappy, less fulfilled, and we’re still in a circumstance where men are working more hours and work worse and more dangerous jobs If women ever had to do the lions share of the work (which I don’t really think would ever happen) we’d be in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:08 PM
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No thats a single example of ONE way men could abandon participation in a system. I didn’t say I believed thats the most likely outcome, or one most men would follow
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:05 PM
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…well thats a lazy misinterpretation of the argument 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:23 PM
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Yes for some systems participation isn’t fully voluntary. But for instance if men in mass stopped choosing to work in high earning fields, or just stayed with their parents and worked part time if at all (because whats the point of dating marriage and family), that would drastically drain or reduce the pool of taxable income. Just a single example
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:19 PM
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Well it just seems like a lot of systems that women extract benefit from require male participation in mass in order to function (and this could be systems of thought like “its never right to hit a woman” or “a man should always pay for dates” or systems of government aid, in which men’s tax dollars supply 70% of the funding, but women extract 70% of the benefits, or even systems that reinforce the sanctity of marriage, etc). But it’s becoming more and more common for men who have had a little t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:44 AM
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Nope…I make room for cultural differences And I didn’t “literally” say I’m looking for “specific types of responses” you just cant stop twisting can you…? Well there really is no point to trying to have a discussion with someone who is committed to bad faith interpretations. ✌🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:54 AM
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Nope still twisting. If statistics tell me of one reality, and my experiences tell me of a reality, and my eyes tell me of one reality, and looking at peoples choices tells me of one reality, but when i ask a question (to someone who just might have a vested interest one way or the other) and the answer is contrary to what i have observed, I’m going to be skeptical. Furthermore when you ask probing questions and get circular answers and non answers, you get even more skeptical
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:41 AM
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…well that’s one way to twist what I’ve said. 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:30 AM
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No…you’ve misunderstood. What i HAVE heard said is that Chad may pick from women his level as well as a few levels below, but not that he scrapes the bottom of the barrel. And I definitely haven’t heard that Chads CANT get laid. Chad is the name given by RPers to the guy that ALWAYS gets laid…you’re mistaken
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:20 AM
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What? When have RPers complained that Chads CAN’T get laid and also scrape the bottom of the barrel?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:16 AM
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Nah women don’t HAVE to conform to each generation. They can settle for just being a regular, plain Jane. But then they couldn’t get as much attention as they wanted. Women have a dominance hierarchy as well, which is based on who commands the highest “value” in the sexual market place. They do it to compete with other women not necessarily for men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:09 AM
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…But I thought women don’t do these things for men but for themselves so they can feeeeeellllll good? 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:37 AM
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How are you certain that “on PPD, women are honest” have you verified all of their statements? I feel like i can confidently say that generally speaking men on PPD are not looking to be “appeased.” We’re looking for responses to questions that actually match reality. Now it IS possible that PPD women generally are being honest and they just happen to all be the exceptions to all the rules…but that is highly doubtful
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:20 AM
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If women were more honest would men be happier? No. Would Men be better off? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:12 AM
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I think there are different usages and contexts of the word “cute.” I’ve heard women use cute as both an insult, and as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 02:02 AM
1

…explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:40 AM
5

🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:38 AM
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If you haven’t dated at all why is your opinion on dating relevant? But to partially answer your question, I have NO idea where the “lack of accountability” complaint comes from for men, because every time theres a problem men are expected to either fix it or change themselves. And if the reward continues to diminish and the risk continues to get higher and the effort continues to increase, men are going to be less and less willing to change and that’s more or less what we’re seeing now. What re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:16 AM
1

I didn’t say women can’t “recognize men as individuals” I said that women tend to have a lot of general expectations of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:46 PM
1

Projecting much? You know why they call them exceptions? Because they are NOT the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:10 PM
1

Congratulations you found a factoid, that proves exceptions exist, want a cookie?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:19 PM
1

…ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:55 PM
1

Its absolutely relevant. Do we both wear masks? Yes. Do we wear the same masks? No. Do we both get to take our masks off? No…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:54 PM
1

Are women and men the same? Are there the same expectations and requirements on men and on women? Are men they same size as women? Same strength as women? Do men want exactly the same things as women from dating and in relationships, do they NEED the same things from from their partners? Do men and women have the same fears? Are they hormonally the same? etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:34 PM
1

Similar not the same, but you seem to just want to be right. So i’ll just let you have whatever disagreement you’ve got going on there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:20 PM
2

But were you inside his head, did you feel what he felt, or have you gained insight over the course of being with him for an extended period of time. I can admit that women in LTRs have BETTER insight than most, but still not as good as men who are dating. Another thing women just don’t get is that who a man is with their woman is NOT necessarily who they are. Its who they are FOR YOU.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:28 PM
2

That’s great, how much experience do you have being a man and dating women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:20 PM
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…ok I’ve been a man for almost 40 years and that is not NEARLY as true as you seem to think it is, which is proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:26 PM
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I just used confidence as an example, but women don’t tend to have expectations of men “individually” there are many commonalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:22 PM
1

Still better to get the info from the source rather than having to translate your advice from “womanspeak”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:20 PM
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Yes but there are very specific things a man can tell another man that a woman would not have insight on. And there are many types of confidence, not all are useful in a dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:18 PM
5

Prime example
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:06 PM
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But you don’t know what a man has to do to make it happen you just know generally what he did. Its like a woman may say “he was confident” now tell a man how to create confidence….go on…I’ll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:54 PM
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But she still wont know what that man had to do to make her feel how she felt, she’ll just remember how she felt…which doesn’t really help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:36 PM
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Its an extreme rarity that a woman (even one who dates women) can give a man good dating advice. She doesn’t have the experience of being a man and trying to date women. It feels different being a man, the world and women SEE you different and treat you different being a man, and have different expectations of men. A woman can tell you what worked on her or what she likes (and this is if shes capable of a level of introspection and honesty that most women are unwilling to attempt), but she has n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:13 PM
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How old are you? Just because you’ve never seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Women do value physical attractiveness, but also physical security, and confidence/social competence. If you’re not the best looking guy but still make her feel safe and know how to navigate social situations they’ll often forgive a little “ugliness”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 11:03 AM
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Wrong…this comment assumes that a fat guy has never gotten pussy which just isn’t true. Yes looks are important, but women aren’t like us. They often want more than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 10:47 AM
1

Not sure if you’re joking, but that IS her real name
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 12:15 AM
1

I think its mainly feminism which has driven a rift between men and women, and social media has only accelerated the effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 04:44 PM
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I thinks its more the third one. I really just think a-lot of women (who consider themselves warm and more empathetic) are just not aware of how little empathy they have for men, I also think that a lot of women are uncomfortable with just how disgusted they feel at seeing a truly vulnerable man. That’s why we often hear, “i dont mind if he cries a little bit”…but what if i have more than a little bit of emotions…?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:39 PM
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If the desire for sex compels you to be a loyal boyfriend and eventual husband whats wrong with that…really?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:09 AM
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Have you ever been in a relationship before? How old are you. I wouldn’t describe myself as a hero at all as an individual, But when I started dating something about a woman brought that protective nature out of me. You may not be as flawed as you feel you are. I would definitely say workout, as being short it would help to be in shape and strong. And also getting into fights is not the only way to be protective. It really is just about feeling like you’d rather yourself get hurt than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 10:11 PM
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Yes…yes it does. Only reason why he doesn’t act on it is because he hasn’t been given the green light. And any time there are more than platonic feelings involved the person is not just a friend, they are a “special friend” or a “friend+”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:18 AM
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Yes well thats why men lie to their wives
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:32 AM
2

Because men have no problem settling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:19 PM
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No…this is just wrong there isn’t the same level of empathy for men as there is for women. When women cry it evokes a rescue response from men and for women. People are compelled to help her. When men cry it evokes a revulsion response because men are generally the ones that are supposed to be fixing problems and doing things. The thinking is if he’s there crying he’s NOT doing something so he’s useless. Aside from that women historically have always been more necessary and most men have been di…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:32 AM
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They are volunteers they can choose other work. But I think I’ve proven my point, not much more i can say without sounding a broken record. Only thing you’ve proven is that you want to win an argument
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:21 PM
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Argument is fine…all the planning is good but when they need someone to go and do the hard, dirty, death defying work of making the plans reality, 95% of volunteers are men and even though women make up 50% of the modern workforce, 90-95% of work place injury and fatalities are men, thats the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:06 PM
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Now you’re mischaracterizing the argument and missing the point on purpose. I don’t know what else to say…most of the construction and maintenance jobs are done by mostly men. House else would you define build and maintain. Even if you wana talk about the safer jobs men are doing most of the high skill jobs and pulling more hours on average, which is mostly the cause of the pay gap women complain about…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 04:49 PM
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Fine if it makes you feel better you can scratch deep sea fishing. but all those important jobs you listed cant exist until after things are built and there is a reliable security and maintenance infrastructure intact
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 04:05 PM
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All of these and some that I’ve missed are arguably necessary for the building and maintenance of cities. Cant build until you have supplies, cant get supplies until you have machines, cant use the machines if they’re broken, people cant work if they’re not fed, come on don’t play dumb… Who built the desks for your desk job, who chopped and gathered the lumber, who drove the supplies to your local town, who built the building, and services the AC that makes you nice and comfy, who set up the ele…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:50 PM
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Military, law enforcement, Construction, electrical, warehouse work, plumbing, seweage, waste management, oil rigging, welding, mechanical, deep sea fishing, mining, truck driving, etc. almost any job that sucks and that stinks, that you might die or lose an arm is 90-95% male. All the invisible men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:26 PM
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No but these are the jobs that are necessary so that any other jobs can exist, and they are generally 90-95% male…which is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:07 PM
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What percentage of the workforce of those types of hard, dirty, menial, dangerous jobs is female? Is it as high as 50%?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:36 PM
1

A lot of women mistake women men pursue for sex and situationships for women men pursue for relationships and marriage. Even the most faithful man who loves his wife craves sexual variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:30 PM
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You’re not entitled to what you want, you get what you earn. And no one said anything about ownership, but when men are shamed for not wanting leftovers the entire “YAAS GIRL” “you’re a queen” “you’re a goddess” choir shouts their agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:48 PM
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Nope you’re not exactly right. I was always extremely good looking, typical tall dark and handsome black guy with the wavy hair, but really socially awkward and aloof. Being attractive as a man can only get you so far. Women will notice you but you still have to have the social skills, charisma, and confidence in order to close the deal. Even hot guys can talk there way out of some pussy, or just have issues over-coming anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:51 AM
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It’s not jealousy. It’s entitlement. The average guy doesn’t care that the top 1%/20% guys are banging all the hottest supermodels. The average guy resents the fact that the average woman ignores the average guy because she thinks she’s entitled to the top guys. And since the top guys are men they will sample almost any flavor thrown their way with no intention to buy. So if and and when the average woman eventually decides to take notice of the average man, he’s paying a higher price for a dimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 03:54 AM
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🤣 we all start somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:57 PM
7

It feels bad enough being rejected by a regular chick, imagine being rejected by your dream girl…😬
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:45 AM
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I don’t think its the intelligence that’s the problem, its generally the lack of social skills that comes with that intelligence. Rattling off statistics doesn’t always get the panties wet, doesn’t mean you can’t KNOW things, just means there’s probably a more appropriate time or person to discuss them with
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:50 PM
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Sounds great how do we get there because THAT’S the solution…and your list is missing a few items, toxic female culture being one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:45 PM
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I agree there is a LOT or terrible messaging going on. There is a lot of over estimation of male threats and a lot of under estimation of female threats. This leads to more fear in women than is statistically justified at times and it also leads to a difficulty in men to detect, and admit female abuse. I personally was raised believing that women were angels and good and what not, and that they were supposed to be defended and protected as a lot of men (especially at my age 39) were. But even I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:14 PM
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It isn’t a gendered issue but most women pretend like only they have things to fear when dealing with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:08 AM
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Nope…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:41 AM
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We don’t really know how many men are falsely accused. As I understand it a non-insignificant portion of false accusations are deemed “unfounded” and so generally aren’t counted in the documented statistics. And often times the reputational damage does not require a conviction in the court of law to affect a man socially and financially
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:32 AM
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“Pulling your weight” still implies that you need other people to pull their weight in order for the system to function. And since when did not needing other members of your group become a source of “empowerment?” Any group animal is a weaker version of itself when alone. So yes men should need women and women should need men because that’s how humanity works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:23 AM
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Saying that women are sometimes crazy, and men should hold themselves accountable for choosing crazy women are not mutually exclusive statements. Everyone has risks to navigate when dealing with other people and the potential risk is what i was responding to. And a woman can decide the sex was not consensual at any time, or she can just lie, and often times the accusation alone is enough to destroy a mans life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:18 AM
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Women do need men for survival. The fact that you believe that you don’t is a product of first world privilege. And it’s not about having “power over women” as all members of a group have some level of power and influence over the others, that means women have power over men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:09 AM
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…yeah well the claim that “women don’t need men” (aside from being highly misandrist in and of itself) simply isn’t true, any way you slice it. All the infrastructure and systems by which women (and everyone else) are able to engage in theatrical “independence” are created and sustained by mostly men. So for one, requiring men to do the hard dirty messy tireless work of keeping things running and then turning around and saying “we don’t need men” can be a little annoying 😬. But to dismiss the an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:47 AM
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It might, if the woman becomes convinced that it was non-consensual, or is just mean, bitter, spiteful, mentally unstable and decides to lie and or become physically abusive, or has a crazy husband, or crazy ex boyfriend, or likes knives, you name it…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:49 PM
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What solution? Any solution will involve convincing women in mass to give up perks, privileges, and benefits they’ve come to enjoy and are emotionally attached to, willingly take on more risk and uncertainty, and ultimately be more accountable for they’re actions and choices then they’ve become accustomed to being…That’s a tough sell
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:46 PM
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The modern RP/MGTOW “movement” is a child of the Men’s Right’s Movement. We all watched as male and female activists TRIED to be heard, TRIED to educate and inform people of men’s issues, TRIED to make some type of change and hit one brick wall after another. It seemed like the harder they fought the louder the cries of “SEXISM” and “MISOGYNY” and “PATRIARCHY” became until people kinda stopped fighting, either because they gave up, or in my opinion they realized that any opposition to anything r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:40 PM
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And you’re framing military service and war (potentially one of the single most physically socially and psychologically traumatic experiences a human can have) as another privilege that women were denied…When even protection is viewed as oppression how is a good faith discussion even possible. I’ll do you one better, remove women from the picture entirely. Did every man have equal or any power? No… there were serfs, lords, nobles, tradesmen, knights, etc. MOST people (men and women) throughout h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:10 PM
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Dramatic? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:03 PM
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Well not in my opinion. Because the endgame for MGTOW is eventual re-integration with women. But in order for that to be optimal, men, women and society will have to change in very specific ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:02 PM
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Your sentiment that women were “second class citizens” and the implication that they were denied the right to vote is greatly overstated, and diminished by historical fact. So women were oppressed but at the end of the day their “oppressors” gave them arguably the MOST important right for free…oops?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:59 PM
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Its not shallow at all, but that analysis would include an acknowledgement that EVERYone is subject to the systems in different ways, and that you cant use “men have power” to hold them extra accountable for everything And furthermore if we are not asking honest and thorough questions we wont be able to change the systems effectively IF we deem they need to be changed, and sure some systems do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:43 PM
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Accountable for their choices, the whole argument about the pay gap for instance, is just women angry because of THEIR choices, and is usually coupled with some level of belief that all outcomes should be the same no matter the input
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:37 PM
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Well i don’t see it as a solution I just see it as survival
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:35 PM
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You do realize that women COULD vote before they got the universal right to vote. They just had to have wealth and status, so there was a time when some women could vote and most men couldn’t. It was only after the universal draft that all men (who could be drafted) got the right to vote, and yes about 90 years later when finally more women wanted the right than DIDN’T want the right (due to the female led anti-suffragette movement) that women got the universal right to vote…for free btw, no req…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:34 PM
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I don’t think MGTOW is about a solution. It’s an ideological acknowledgement that a solution may not be possible, and the (or at least an) appropriate response is self preservation and withdrawal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:26 PM
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I don’t necessarily think the issue is that women need fewer rights in order for things to be fair. I think its 2 things That women have managed to secure more rights/privileges while dodging the accountability that goes along with those rights and privileges. I feel like one of the things feminism was really good at was framing social dynamics in terms of power and then convincing everyone that women have little or no power. By doing this we’ve been trained to ignore women’s own unique and inna…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:22 PM
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…it sucks for MOST people that don’t live in first world countries
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:59 PM
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Sounds like a fake post…My BS sense is tingling
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:57 PM
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You already have, you’ve inserted yourself into an exchange that didn’t involve you, and frankly which lasted longer than the original one thanx for playing 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:51 PM
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“I was approached” and “I met romantically or sexually” do NOT have the same connotation at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:31 PM
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Yeah I’m really not sure what the solution is. I mean I’m a married purple piller and me and my wife have RP convos very often and have a lot of agreement. But even with her some topics are just difficult to swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:03 PM
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Can you not see how that comment could have been misconstrued, especially considering where we are? I accepted correction
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:53 PM
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You wrote “most men I’d met in a romantic way or sexual way were just assholes” maybe I misinterpreted, but there have been plenty that have voiced similar sentiments yet have a stable of assholes on speed dial. So if thats not you then my fault
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:49 PM
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…So you’d rather date assholes then risk being tricked by a “nice guy” or your “lovely” male friends? 😳Don’t you see how baffling that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:33 PM
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Its practically impossible to engage in a true intellectual exchange of ideas when some parties refuse to engage honestly, immediately see the other party as a purveyor of hate, and generally come into the discussion with less than good intentions. Also there is literally so much deliberately placed bad information out there that its easy to assume your adversary is just a liar. And lets not even talk about all the feelings 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:27 PM
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Dumb dumb, men’s desire for sex Is women’s power over men…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:17 PM
2

Well how are you defining “moral” because any set of evolved behaviors that serve a group benefit could be interpreted through the lens of morality and ethics. I would argue that an obligation to the well being of others is the default state of social beings living within a group. Any ideas about morality are philosophical overlays to pre-existing behaviors. They were first traditions before they were codified into legal and moral language
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 08:07 PM
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I didn’t read morals or ethics into the OP. Unless you believe all prescriptions of behavior are moral prescriptions. But women and men are part of a collective with inseparable needs. And most mating behaviors have been hard wired into us because they facilitate the proliferation of the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:34 PM
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Has nothing to do with morality, has to do with mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:41 PM
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Who assigned this duty? Women who have selected men more inclined to protect, and who apply social pressure and give incentives to men who protect or show a willingness to protect. Women in mass aren’t dating/procreating with soft feminine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:36 PM
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…No, next question
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:37 PM
0

Women don’t have babies as a sacrfice for their husbands they have babies because they want them, many women do it without the concent or involvement of the father
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:41 PM
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I really take umbrage with this “men are naturally more selfish” comment. The assumption that men are more selfish just ignores all the emotional labor that goes into being in a long-term relationship with a woman. I really think that is a supremely unempathetic statement…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:50 PM
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Ok so am i only required to protect and sacrifice for the woman that has my baby? What if we only date for a few months, what if my wife gets into an accident and cant have children? What if she just doesn’t want them? And any man is willing to pull the extra weight in the house and go the extra mile when his wife is pregnant anyway so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:41 PM
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Got it well you’re in a very privileged position.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:00 PM
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Then maybe you’re the exception (probably not) that doesn’t have the desire to have her man make her feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:45 PM
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Thats true but contrary to the message a lot of modern women put out there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:52 PM
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Statistically men are twice as likely to be the victims of all public square violence(except rape), so thats not true. A mans mere presence is your protection
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:24 PM
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I didn’t imply the wife does ALL the housework. Yes I judge tasks not just on their frequency but on the risk attached to those tasks. If the man has to do all the nasty dangerous tasks even if they are just occasional. Yes they are worth your more frequent safe and easy tasks. If only 1 time in our marriage I have to fight off a burglar I’ve potentially saved everyones lives. Or if just walking with me at night deters a man from robbing you at knife point and potentially worse then my value is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:42 PM
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How exactly are men naturally more selfish when men are programmed to and expected to be willing to sacrifice ourselves and risk bodily harm to defend the woman from any and all threats at the drop of a dime. Division of work? All work? Or just the work she doesn’t want to do? Does the the woman expect a 50% split on checking downstairs when theres a bump in the night to see if its a burglar with a knife? No? How bought climbing up on the roof in the heat of summer to clean the gutters or replac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:55 AM
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The hot sauce is for after he removes the condom, prevents the ladies from taking the contents and dumping them into her snatch so that she can get pregnant and “get the bag” as the kids are saying these days. It only became public knowledge because a woman tried to sue him recently…because she stole the condom and…well she didn’t like how the hot sauce felt down there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:39 AM
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You’re assuming that all HVM are blue pilled. Ive heard of quite a few forever bachelors, men requiring their wives to sign prenups, rich guys who commonly seek the services of escorts, and theres even Drake dumping hot sauce in his condoms…sounds pretty RP to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:57 AM
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This sub is toxic? Dating/marriage is toxic for a lot of men, i don’t know what your complaint is worth here. You don’t trust men? You have practically an infinite number of public spaces to complain about it. Men who have lost trust in women have to carve out a damn secret underground fortress and it still gets invaded by shamers and cancelers. So again not sure what your complaint is worth here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:29 PM
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Im certain there are blue pill men that have gotten shafted by the system. Id say RedPill works for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:21 PM
2

Hmm, TIL
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:20 AM
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…because women stop getting alimony if they remarry?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:28 AM
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75% of communication is non-verbal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 07:26 PM
2

Personality cant be distilled down to a voice note this should be obvious. Any one with any social intelligence KNOWS personality is an experience that is best captured in person and encompasses a range of verbal and mostly non verbal communications
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:17 PM
1

It definitely is the female dominance hierarchy. They’re all trying to make themselves as pretty as possible to outdo the other women, but they’ve gotten out of control with the “enhancements” as they call them. It’s to the point where they look like dolls at times. I mean just watch how women scope each other out. Its totally them competing with other women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 08:52 PM
1

The makeup the hair the lashes all that shit is women competing with each other. Theres a female dominance hierarchy just like theres a male dominance hierarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:53 PM
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Those are considerations too as in my experience pretty girls have not needed as much to lean on personality or charm or smarts because they’re pretty, but the fact that it’s probably going to be harder to keep her because she knows she’s pretty and will always have plenty of options, definitely goes into the calculus. And we wouldn’t necessarily agree that “conventionally attractive” means caked on make-up, nails, lashes, hair extensions, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:26 PM
1

What a dumb question 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:22 PM
1

That’s a good point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:05 AM
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My theory is too much competition, usually men who think this way believe that the additional risk/effort isn’t worth what you’re getting. Why aim for the tippy top when you can aim slightly lower for similar (maybe even better) results plus less work
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:53 AM
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“Men perceive attractive women as more promiscuous looking” That largely depends on how you’re defining “attractive.” If you mean the most gorgeous woman with the most cleavage and the most ass cheeks hanging out? Yes that woman might be perceived as attractive and also more promiscuous. Take that same woman and put her in a tasteful dress that just hints at her figure but doesn’t reveal EVERYTHING they might see her differently
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:49 AM
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Thats my point, men have “post nut clarity” as a temporary antidote to our craziness
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:29 AM
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Theres also that while women may not be “blinded by horniness” they are largely emotional creatures and hormonal wrecks for at least a week out of the month A guy can jerk off to get some post nut clarity, nothing a woman can do to silence those hormones
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:54 PM
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