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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:04 PM
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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:30 AM
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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:11 AM
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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 02:12 AM
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Question For WomenZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 02:38 AM
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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:08 PM
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ZealousidealIce2/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:03 PM
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wow, i'm late here. I wont' bother replying to the content. however, I admire that you made account just to argue with me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:46 AM
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the comments are really focusing on the misogyny. THe neutral posts are really buried and definitely not the most debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 08:26 PM
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so the genders are at war??!?! aren't you inviting misogyny with this premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 02:50 AM
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I love the comments tho lmao "This video is proof men are the enemy" "As a man I can say men are the enemy" "Hear that ladies we're not allowed to have trauma" To quote one top comment "You sound like you gaslight every girl you've ever seen" Is a very good descriptor of this man lol based on someone else's post
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 02:40 AM
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men are the enemy isn't misandric? but the video is "low key subtly misogynistic"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 02:39 AM
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you find those comments are accurate? men are the enemy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 02:26 AM
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neither. I suspect if you ask those questions, then your questions are too deep for her humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:38 PM
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It doesn't have to be legislation to enact awareness. Discussing the matter alone and acknowledging disparities is important. The fight for equality can exist in all domains, outside of the professional and legal sphere. In the article below, there was a discussion about the changes people wanted to see. Most agreed in the professional sphere, changes had to be made. But there was inertia, women contributed to this part, that led to age-old traditions such as engagement rings, paying for the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:03 AM
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The argument aside which I don't care to debate. I find it's callous and unempathetic. A lot of men are lonely and starving for affection. Your suggestion is to suck it up buttercup rather than acknowledging there are real disparities in how men are treated by everyone - including women. This leads in part to male isolation, fear, and the rising male suicide numbers. If it for security reasons alone, some of the men are responding negatively by hurting others (both men and women). Please don't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 02:36 AM
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manipulative/deceitful. i should have been more precise
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 02:36 AM
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clearly but feminism has done a lot of positive things especially for women. I"m just curious how it's trying to change the sex narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 01:17 AM
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very thoughtful. I appreciate the response
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 01:15 AM
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but fuckboy isn't a niche term. It's like slut. It's meant to be pejorative and is definitely overly ascribed. we shouldn't use either
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 01:13 AM
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which one is more fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 01:10 AM
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I don't necessarily disagree and I wish I hadn't made this so gender-focused. I was trying to point out the movement that if we were to not put any shame or importance of sex, then how can we say it contributes to objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 09:18 PM
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I'm merely curious. Both will engage in this behavior -- no question. Yet, I"m curious why it's considered toxic in one case and not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:20 PM
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well I see this argued a lot. I don't mind the assertion but the extrapolation is that n counts then matter. Past experiences matter. We can 'slut shame" as it's something sacred.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:15 PM
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I like this idea because it strikes the core of the question. ​ Ideally, you shoudn't feel anything if they had sex much like how men are expected to not feel anything if he pays for dinner for instance. now though, we know that's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:13 PM
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but why is there a sentiment that he was the one "using" her. We shouldnt' shame women who want sex, but we shouldn't shame men for it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:11 PM
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can someone do a tldr to summarize the thesis statement? To be honest, there are a lot of generalizations here based on 2-3 dates with older guys and none of them have particularly rational conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 11:48 PM
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This sub is an unrestrained form of dialog. The real world has a lot more tact. Don't come to this sub expecting moderation and subtlety. However, your post comes across a little obtuse. How do you not expect physical attraction to be associated with body appearance. Any obese woman/man can confirm their options are different
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 12:23 AM
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is this thread about this guys' personal preference for obese women? I'm glad there are people like you. Otherwise, there isn't much of an argument here except your personal taste
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 11:56 PM
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if you're going to argue about asymmetric use of semantics -- then you've got a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 04:59 AM
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suppose she only posts bikini pics? still sex work IFyes, then is an instagram bikini model profile sex work?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:56 PM
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good comparison. However, given how common it's becoming, should men/women be more accepting?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:46 PM
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isn't that a little extreme. I don't know the statistics but I would say a large marjority of men masturbate to porn
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:46 PM
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I suppose both? Although your answer is clear. If you're in a cis-gendered (heterosexual) relationship then you're more likely to encounter men who purchase could you please elaborate what a purchaser of onlyfans gets? is it porn ? if yes, then is it like someone with a paid porn subscription? or do they arrange sexual encounters via the app?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:20 PM
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I suppose I'm curious. Are there variables that predispose people to do that? One extreme example is the porn industry? what percentage of those people have healthy relatioships?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 10:52 PM
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This thread opened my eyes to onlyfans. I am VERY NAIVE but it seems like sex workers, porn stars and average people have private accounts. They range from a well known porn star to a local high school teen posting nudes(or not)? Does this remind me of the groupon phase? It's such a simple formula that it's bound to be copied and the supply will overwhelm the demand. Maybe I"m a little clueless but how is this bubble expected to continue?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 04:43 PM
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I feel that viewing entitlement to sex for men is equivalent to viewing pay equity as merely a debate about money. I think a larger proportion of those men don't' think they want "sex" they want to intimacy a strong relationship component. or even intimacy. You're also viewing it from a very small ndividualistic lens. I think in general you don't have sympathy for these men who have undeniably been outcast and isolated. In general, men's causes, especially in the lower socioeconomic classes, don…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:17 AM
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I am the child of a single mother. She always told me to have high standards when it comes to women too. for instance, she demanded I marry someone with the same professional postgraduate education with similar income to mine. She shouldn't have kids previously. She shouldn't be sexually promiscuous as it's a sign of bad character. She should be supportive and considerate of my needs. She should avoid emotional manipulation. In addition, she encouraged me never to date too old as it comes with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 12:58 AM
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could it be that they're two different categories of women? 1) Women in their 30s. Established careers usually. Income more predictable (not necessarily high). Often have children and likely have limited perspectives on more. Want commitment right away. They see dating as necessary evil to a family They are less attractive as a whole but also accept less physically attractive men. 2) Women in their 20s. Much more attractive but have similar expectations. Often have no kids. Careers in flux. Comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 08:31 PM
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Yet, you were asked after you've had sex? I think the tipping point is after you've had sex and are considering a serious relationship. At that point, some people care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:35 AM
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i think we all agree the rules should apply equally. however, there's an elemant of reality we can't dismiss. Women get a lot more sexual advantages during their youuth compared to men. It's fine and real. Similarly men are more likely to seek a sex worker for instance. It's not because females are deprived of the opportunity,but rather there's no need for it. So it's not fair as the circumstances are not the same. Beyond the number itself is a lot of nuance. WOmen judge men based on previous se…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 08:18 AM
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that's way too simplistic. women equally judge men on past experiences as I pointed out in my own trivial but symbolic example. Would you call women misandrist if they chose not to date a man who has had sex with other men before? would a woman be misandrist if she didn't want a man who had sex with a sex worker before?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:19 AM
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Just to clarify , are you suggesting women worry too much about men not having experience? are you suggesting women use it as a way to shame and categorize as a man as lower status?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:11 AM
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I was thinking of something that is actually quite common 1) 2 sexually active people date. They have a frank discussion about sex. She has had x partners. She mentions oh yes, I used to drink a lot and made a lot of mistakes when I was younger. I still get drunk on the weekends but it's less than before. or the man might say, yeah, I would get so horny I would sleep with an ex. I told her we should rekindle but only really wanted sex. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. Manic episodes happen in bipolar d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:07 AM
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Yes, we men don't do that enough in my view. A guy feeling bad about his social life is still considered a weakling. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:37 AM
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yes, sex. I suppose i'll be more blunt. Sex isn't always related to finding a partner or wanting to explore. Libido can be elevated in medical conditions including substance abuse. There are a ton of people who have sex during a manic episode. it's sad. is it bad to ask about medical history ? isn't that even more personal?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:36 AM
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It seems like your answers are consistent. I honestly have zero insight about how women interact with each other about this matter. I suppose your friend group is an outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:10 AM
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I can't dispute that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:04 AM
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i'm assuming in this simple dichotomy that 1) women have negative consequences for having too many partners 2) Men have negative consequences for having too few Would you counsel your male and female friends accordingly . Is there slut shaming or incel-shaming withe either propositing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:03 AM
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isn't that a rule in online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:55 AM
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suppose a mythical man has had sex with the whole city no intention of being in a relationship -- thoughts on this? does that change things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:54 AM
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ok i appreciate that as being very honest. A few questions would you ever tell your female friend to control her sexual behavior or limit her partners because it may have future consequences? similarly would you tell a male friend to get in the game more based on a similar logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:46 AM
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I find the first and last paragraph contradict each other please clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:43 AM
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but do people just switch? I keep hearing a lot of people "wanting to settle down" as if that's a transformation that is sudden and naturally occurring. How many bad traits do we career on in our lives? anxiety, gambling, and smoking and none seem to gradually go away with age. We need to work on them. I just don't see how intimacy can be different. Me as a low N count male, should I be judged for not wanting to commit ? I can see why a woman would worry
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:42 AM
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but do you feel the judgment of women for their partner count is far? or is that deeply rooted in misogyny than practicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:39 AM
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but does that mean someone with a low relationship count (N<3) in his thirties is a red flag? I assume you're a woman, what goes through your thought process hearing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:38 AM
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well I admire that. I hope more become like you. However, I"m not expecting this transformation. THe most I see feminist discuss men's issues is when they throw out toxic masculinity as a locus for all of men's modern problems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 01:49 AM
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You mention sexual assault of men BY WOMEN as a problem. Of course, you later say that's you don't blame the cause of the sexual assault to be men. Rather you say the lack of empathy by other men to be a problem. Your argument makes no sense because the sexual assault was by other women. The lack of empathy by other men has no relevance to your argument that all problems are caused by men since the cause of the sexual assault isn't men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:20 PM
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The issue i have with feminism is that serves to balance the injustice for women alone. Pay gaps, slut shaming etc.. These are all noble but do nothing for male issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:16 PM
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then your example served no purpose to strengthen your argument. All you did is add a non-relevant point to obfuscate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:13 PM
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that's what they say. However, women care for men's emotional vulnerability in as much as it suits their pre-set beliefs of objectives. A lot of women have demanded I be more vulnerable when I tell them the things that worry are about jobs, paying bills and healthy they don't care. They just say "you need to work on that"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:39 PM
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you have to say "no homo" for it to count
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 04:29 AM
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she did accuse him of sexual assault " Grace says her friends helped her grapple with the aftermath of her night with Ansari. “It took a really long time for me to validate this as sexual assault,” she told us. “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.” ' ​ https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 09:16 PM
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The frame of reference overlaps. They are not distinct time points. Not all relationships exhibit health emotional support. In the grand scheme of things, men are judged for displaying emotions and that's been their experience. You may be be biased as all you read is posts from this subreddit. Heres' a thread from AITA which I'll admit can be fake https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/aqge4p/aita_for_distancing_myself_from_my_bf_after_he/ I have no idea what your final questions is elu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:50 AM
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But your response is unfair. You can use your argument anywhere. In addition, no self-respecting person will openly admit to dismissing someone because they're too "emotionally vulnerable". Both genders use tons of euphemisms to dismiss the other. Do you think a man will dismiss an obese woman by saying "You're great but you're obese and I don't like you?" Lastly, it's not a manosphere thing. Bene Brown talked about how men are judged by women for displaying emotion
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:37 AM
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I don't understand this criticism. Are you doubting his story? It's reasonable to be skeptical but your response seems like it has an agenda. This is a common theme that most guys feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:25 AM
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that seems tragic and sad. why open up to women for this person. I'd love to know why
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:06 AM
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I was intrigued by the notion that women ar e now the therapists of men especially prompted by articles like this one https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a27259689/toxic-masculinity-male-friendships-emotional-labor-men-rely-on-women/ which discusses that women are the ones who pay for the inability of men to communicate. They suffer from dealing with MEN's emotions. THat's a new opinion in my view. THe prevailing view before was that women were emotional and men didn't but should list…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:02 AM
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that's fascinating. Is it something physical like a disability? or is ti something traumatic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:32 PM
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yeah I don't think men are good at putting up with female emotions either. Both sides seem to have a problem here but the emotional labor argument is usually favoring women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:32 PM
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I meant they come and see me discussing this matter directly. They aren't necessarily displaying the behavior elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:29 PM
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because I was trying to present the topic to one side here. I could ask women too in a separate thread later
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:28 PM
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btw , what's the deal with these really shitty long videos they put up? is that their thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 07:32 AM
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I really don't understand the definitions ​ for one 1) A young undergraduate student who focuses on his studies, avoids the heartache of dating, and saves money from his job would by definition be considered a MGTOW? This venture seems noble to me to be honest. In fact, I got more satsifaction doing this pursuing my career. I never blamed women for the problems as it externalizes issues ​ 2) A man who wants relationships with woman but complains about societal pressures that don't favor his curr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 07:31 AM
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just curious, where did you get that number?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 06:18 AM
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so you're mitagating that risk by going somewhere casual? like an AppleBees or Dennys? Man 10% seems high though. spending 40 dollars on someone seems extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:44 PM
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Also, I have no idea why people are so mad about having to pay for dinner. The sad reality is that you will get exploited by a small proportion of women/people with that mentality. If you're okay with that risk, then go ahead. I do think the majority of women are appreciative even though a not so small minority expect to be treated on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:37 PM
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I am not sure if you're showing any empathy or just being glib. Empathy helps a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 02:04 PM
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This study has desirability bias written all over it. I'm not against it being done but the flaws are apparent. In addition, kindness is not exactly something that's teased out in today's dating. It's physical appearance followed by other characteristics. I'm not in any pill group, but how do you determine kindness if you both genders have strict physical requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 01:27 PM
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thanks. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:16 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ohio_State_University_abuse_scandal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:13 PM
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can you tell me how it's off topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:11 PM
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very interesting response. I'll assume you're a man. As an Chinese American man, you are widely stereotypes and social conditioning has made asian men less attractive to Westerners. Therefore, most of my Chinese American friends - especially the men -- find it much easier to date their own ethnicity -- if only just to improve odds. I imagine these people would be happy to pay first knowing the other person is more likely to reciprocate love. Any thoughts on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 12:10 AM
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You're 100% right though. However, I think we disagree on proportions. I do think a more than significant proportion of women expect men to pay. It's a custom in their view at best and an expectation at worst. I've seen this more overtly in immigrant populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:56 PM
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I suppose but if weren't espousing equality then shouldn't it extend beyond simply paying for dates? Do these same women prefer to be Stay at home mothers? Are they okay being given allowances?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:49 PM
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I think you misunderstood. I meant they will exclude a potential partner solely based on his declining to pay for the whole thing. For them it's a dealbreaker. That's the problem. It's a societal issue that can't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:44 PM
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equality is great when it's on your own terms. Paying for dinner? Absolutely not. equal wages for the USA women's team - of course
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:42 PM
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didy ou benefit from the patriarchy here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:39 PM
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because of societal expectations. there are tons of women WHO ACTIVELY FILTER solely based on the man paying for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 11:37 PM
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btw, increased testosterone leads to balding FYI
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 02:02 AM
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you can't just reductively break down the Iranian revolution in those terms and make a cogent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 12:46 AM
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The huge flaw with the discussion point is that the PUA community serves only to get sex for men. A lot of the pick-up community also tries to build self-confidence and remove the fear of rejection. The latter is the healthiest and most productive way to get sex instead of a cheesy line or scripts that the OP and the studies are insinuating. ​ Lisa LIng did an interesting piece for CNN about this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 12:56 AM
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Logos and Pathos. Well I've read her book and watched some of her interviews so I can argue it appears to my logos. It seems like you're dictated by pathos if you believe popular culture dictates fact or logic. I don't blindly believe academics but I wont' take pewdiepie over her on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:00 PM
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yeah but it's reality. Do you see the crossfit guys? They're ripped and have great endurance but their technical skill is absolutely awful. Do you think women care if your deadlift form is off or if you can't squat with the perfect technique? As a man, do you care if your girlfriend eats healthy and is still 20lbs overweight? The end results matter to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 07:01 PM
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90 of gains means muscle gain? I am not sure about that. Anyway, I see your point about transformation but remember your comparing transformation with firm outcomes like Abs or ripped biceps. Those are different. YOu can drop 10% of body fat and have neither. Getting biceps or abs may take longer but with more gradual changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:59 PM
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Do you think the average male is not obese? the average American male is close to 200lbs with a 40-inch waist. I'm not shitting on men. The average woman is 170lbs with a 38-inch waist. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:57 PM
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yes, Brene Brown isn't some lady. She's an academic and written books on vulnerability. SO please don't reduce this into some anecdotal story about a gay man you know. I can tell you a number of men who cried when they were dating and were dumped soon thereafter. When I mean emotional, I mean showing vulnerability - discussing insecurity. Popularity on youtube isn't related to the validity of an arugment either. You're not going to convince people otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:44 PM
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holy moly, this is such as "I am great" post. ​ Anyway, women, just like men, don't care how long or how much you lift. They care about the results. If you look fit and have good shape then they find you more sexually appealing. You don't see women fawn over long-distance triathletes or marathoners despite their amazing conditioning. ​ To be honest, your personal experience is largely irrelevant. Every person is different. Some men are so massively obese they need years to training to get abs. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 08:19 AM
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uhh ok. I think you and I might differ here. You think obesity is a male problem? Or perhaps you think the media already shames a lot of women into weight loss? my issue with self improvement is that women don't do encourage it enough with each other .
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 05:16 AM
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okay fair enough. I just haven't seen it in real life. I've had to do it with male friends who are scared of admitting they're fat or have mental illnesses. They just hide I find women support each other at the expense of criticism. They tell each other they're perfect and avoid criticizing each other. I also meant for self-improvement. Have you ever told other women to lose weight, dress better or to work harder? Do your female friends do thsi?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:26 AM
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just curious, would you have told the advice to work on yourself to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:21 AM
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I just thought I was quote Brene Brown. " What Brown also discovered in the course of her research is that, contrary to her early assumptions, men's shame is not primarily inflicted by other men. Instead, it is the women in their lives who tend to be repelled when men show the chinks in their armor. "Most women pledge allegiance to this idea that women can explore their emotions, break down, fall apart—and it's healthy," Brown said. "But guys are not allowed to fall apart." Ironically, she expla…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:51 AM
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you're definitely wrong. The vast majority of women don't like men to be emotional. They just like a certain dose of it on their terms at their time. THere are a ton of men who have mentioned losing relationships with others when they shared private emotional turmoil. ​ ​ Even the expert Brene Brown mentioned this in one of her article.. We can argue the proportion but women DO NOT LIKE MEN TO BE VULNERABLE. It's a romantic hollywood propagation. https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/04…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:50 AM
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you don't think toxic feminity or whatever term you use affects men? how is that possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:42 AM
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it came from the mythopoetic men's movement of the 1980s. MRA wern't really relevant then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:35 AM
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this approach seems more natural to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 02:05 PM
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I"m a federalist. ALthough I"m not sure I got that dichotomy right. I find your honesty refreshing. It's fascinating that you shared your student loan debt becuase there are women who don't share that number before getting married. I"m surprised that men don't ask either. I want to ask you though. Suppose the guy/girl had a medical condition. Say it was something stigmatizing but not necsarrily burdesome like a diabetic pump or prosthetic leg. Should you tell that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 05:22 AM
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hey I agree with being direct in principle. but I can tell you from personal experience that meeting a woman in real life is so completely different than any conversation I've had on chats. I remember being enamored by this beautiful mid twenties pharmacist. She was clever and witty but in person, she didn't laugh. She would smile and cutely respond but NOT LAUGH. It drove me nuts. I've also met a woman who didn't disclose being a single mother (dealbreaker at the time) . She was so rational, cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 05:01 AM
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you're very generous then. THere was a whole tinder campaign devoted to eradicate that behavior in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:40 AM
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i see your viewpoint but suppose a female bumble profile had a ton of closeups of a woman. They're attractive closeups but you as a man know that there's a good chance this woman is obese or overweight. This consideration is important in deciding to pursue any relationship with her. Should your first line be "send me a full body photo?" . I think most would agree that's it's personal, invasive and with a little grace you could have gotten the answer later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:30 AM
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maybe divide questions up in small bits? or ask them later? I find the women who ask these type of questions are of the ones with the mentality "I don't have time for games". Of course, when I go on a date with them they have the most convoluted system of dealbreakers and rules such as "he must work but spend one weekend a month going to nice restaurants". I guess it's the direct mentality of asking a lot and not having any persepctive that's there's another person there. THat other person might…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:21 AM
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the filter questions are relevant and important. You can ask them but be nice about it and show some consideration to other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:07 AM
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actually a good post for a change
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 04:05 AM
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similar behavior in women is demanding everything you want and expecting it to proper social etitquette. IN that way, it's similar to asking for nudes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:54 AM
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i don't call it wasting time if someone tries to get to know me before making a list of sterile questions for me to pass their "filter". I may like that person. why do you think guys ask for more photos? Is that acceptable? They wanna see your body to see if you represent the level of attraction they want
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:51 AM
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could it be possible that people aren't just a sum of checklists? it surprises me how many actually bend on their dealbreakers after they develop a human and personal connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:23 AM
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yea, i think we agree. i meant it in the etiquette of being polite etc..It didn't "ruffle me'. I get a TON OF THESE MESSAGES. Many of them from single mothers who don't list anything on their profile and then ask these questions. If I"m being an asshole, I"ll challenge some of these women and they usually back down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:21 AM
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they're not invasive to ask overall. they're invasive to ask at the outset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:20 AM
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because developing a connection can take time? it's not like crossing the border.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:16 AM
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I usually ignore. I was referring to the tact of the process. Men get called douches for similar behavior. I was jut wondering if this would be "douchey" behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 02:51 AM
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You're basing my outlook based on this? I am pointing out a very common and frustrating situation. Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 02:50 AM
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please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 01:26 AM
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good point. He's not currently rich as he's a resident but he will be making >300k next year with a nice signing bonus. Hence why she's making all these "future plan" instead of now. Having a prenup now will be fruitless since he has little assets and tons of debt. He didn't want to date someone of a lower income per se, but he never considered it at all. As if her professional status and her debt don't come into play at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:23 PM
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education != intelligence or good qualities. Those values you mentioned aren't always associated with degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:04 PM
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I admire that but keep in mind that dating a high end professional does mitigate the gold-digger risk that many men are afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:03 PM
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please tell us about this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:02 PM
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yeah, you're right. I used to serve a point. It can be any doctor, or high achieving nurse, or a steelworker...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:01 PM
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yeah I agree. it's trying to outcompete with medical trivia that bothers most people. Although the interested resident is a sweet person and humble.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:00 PM
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Yes very interested. She keeps telling him to hang out "post call" -- even though Gen Surg residents don't get post call days. Despite him having a girlfriend, she'll be very friendly around him. He's aware but in my view being too easily dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 08:00 PM
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education is expensive so I understand it has limited access.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 07:56 PM
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yeah exactly! with benefits. I really wouldn't mind dating a woman steelworker provided in context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 07:55 PM
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that's a good thing. I personally find it attractive for a woman to be ambitious intelligent and creative. To be fair to the other side, I have heard of a lot of women boasting their own education, intelligence ultimately to be working at a 40 000/ year job. If you're going to boast about your education, and intelligence then your career has to match. A CV is only useful if it has a tangible benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 07:55 PM
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I suppose but this was focused on getting men to think more ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:27 PM
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I agree but is your sex first criteria a great long term strategy especially since everyone here discusses the risks of divorce rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 10:14 AM
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but these easily fade in 10-15 years or better yet they change to the point where attraction disparity becomes less important. Shouldn't men be educated about this reality? A woman's beauty alone is ephemeral on physical terms alone. Why not be a little more realistic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 10:13 AM
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a job with a good income, benefits, or room for either. It's not that a vet tech cant' be a career but in that relationship, there's no way she can contribute to their future plans at all
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:13 AM
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why not marry the gen surg resident all else being equal? One will be a far more pragmatically sound choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:12 AM
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maybe i"m wrong but is a vet tech higher status than a secretary? Both have their merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:52 AM
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why not socially condition men to challenge that viewpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:51 AM
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I agree with you. It's a job. It' does deal with extremes of human fragility but it's a job nonetheless. I'm not sure what she's looking for at this point but she's wishing fellow doc courts her is my best guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:49 AM
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but having a bachelor's degree doesn't correlate with intelligence or financial stability. Would you rather date someone with a bachelor's degree can be poor and dumb. I don't know. how can you eliminate someone from the dating pool that easily based on job alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:45 AM
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my point is more directed at men to be more hypergamous really. why shouldn't we encourage it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:43 AM
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the pay is the same as a secretary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:42 AM
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A vet tech is a low paying job with little room for professional growth. I am not disparaging the work itself as I'm sure it's noble but hardly a career in the long term
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:42 AM
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It just seemed harsh and over the top. You can do as you please. I deal with people with back pain all the time, and they're absolutely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:14 AM
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but it's irrelevant to the discussion. Yes, this person could have eaten less as her mobility went down but is that relevant ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:09 AM
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you seem to attack this person for no reason than you can. Stephen Hawking had a neurodegenerative disease. People with ALS also have issues swallowing which means they can be fed through tubes. It's easy to control input that way. ​ while you're right about overeating, I don't understand why you're attacking this person for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:52 AM
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I Never made any assumptions about you. Speaking in general terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/19 12:53 AM
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As a man, I don't understand it. I don't see any therapeutic value in crying. However, I don't need to understand it to realize it may beneficial for some. Some women therapeutically cry the same way men curse or scream. It's another outlet. When it's unproductive is when people cry to an excessive and counterproductive point. My friend's wife will cry whenever work gets hectic. She'll leave work to cry. these are all a little childish Women do realize it can be powerful for manipulation. I had …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 10:59 PM
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this post sounds very bitter to be honest. Could it be remotely possible that women overvalue their appearance? They play this constant tug of war with themselves of being considered attractive yet insecure. You have no idea how many overweight women I date who considered themselves "attractive" and wanted to date someone taller than me (5' 8'')
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 09:21 PM
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I certainly don't disagree feminism is wrong. It has brought a lot of change. for the betterment of women. It becomes problematic when when feminism simplifies issues by using buzzwords like toxic masculinity, manspreading, mansplalining, emotional labor to simplify issues. Domestic violence --> toxic masculinity, Bullying --> toxic masculinity , Male suicide --> toxic masculinity. Not to mention the stigma behind these terms, they don't include any socio economic factors like the role of povert…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 11:31 PM
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white male too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 11:14 PM
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that's kind of you but if you talk to men, the vast majority don't get compliments. It isn't just compliments about their work or their labor but anything. If you read askmen it's one of the few recommendations they tell women. Men internalize their lack of praise and don't disclose it. It's part of the stoic and moving forward motif.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 02:07 AM
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You find it gross and creepy and demonize male sexuality. Not all women feel the same way. In fact, I am sure there are some women who would find it appealing that a man has an artistic and creative side. I am sure many men won't care what a feminist has to say about his job - of course not all women. I'm sure you wouldn't say anything like creep or gross if the photographer identified as gay. Women simultaneously don't care if they are judged for their sexuality and yet care about emotional dam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 03:30 PM
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is that a problem? are you stigmatizing women who pose naked for a living :O
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 02:49 PM
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I think you avoid the point I'm making. Sex workers indeed do exhibit a lot of toxic traits including personality traits, drug abuse, sketchy personal histories etc.. is it right to dismiss them as a group for this reason alone ? I am not talking about men who refuse to date sex workers for their own shortcomings but rather should you not date one because of her lifestyle and profession. Can she not easily cheat on you because of her devaluing of sex as a commodity? Afterall, you're generalizing…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 02:43 PM
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What process? Are these photographers not getting consent during these photoshots? are they kidnapped? are the women incapable of giving consent because of reprisals? Is the photographer violating female autonomy in any way? so would it be wrong for me to dismiss sex workers saying they're more likely to have damaging personality disorders, abused histories, and poor coping skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 02:17 PM
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Where did you find out he has a shady behavior ? is there more to this guy? ​ This is a classic example of demonizing male sexuality. why can't a man admire the female form and make a living from it? It's funny because some feminists ask for destigmatization of sex work. Feminists say why can't a sex worker has a normal healthy relationship and separate work from their personal life. Here's the opposite and these women call the man a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 02:09 PM
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I should also point out that men play a huge mental role in being the emotional rock of the family unit. They are expected to be calm, and goal-oriented during every crisis. I've felt it as the eldest male . I would often get 3am calls from girlfriends freaking out about exams. Shouldn't we be talking about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 02:02 PM
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I just saw that for the first time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 05:38 AM
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ok sounds good. Keep up the good work then!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 05:33 AM
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I'm not asking feminists to make a comic for men's issues. I'm sure if men did make one it would be seen as misogynistic or a demonstration of male entitlement. My point isn't to highlight a men's issue or to dismiss a woman's issue. My point is that the comic is creating an issue that's imbalanced that doesn't' illuminate but rather obfuscates real relationships. Women who subscribe to these views want sympathy rather than solutions. Men won't make one because they're conditioned not to seek pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 05:25 AM
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wrong. Find a better partner. You can't generalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 05:22 AM
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I agree 100% that comic isn't stigmatizing to men. However, take look at the comments in the link. My biggest fear is what will happen in practice. Many use it as a platform to vent about their partners and being ignored. They want to vent about being under appreciated and that their self worth is being affected by an inattentive partner. Social conditioning affects men too. Men are told not to talk about their work. They're told that the honorable tihng is to stay quiet and do the work proficie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 05:20 AM
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It's not a complaint. It's a reality. Men do tons of invisible work. How many times have you heard a woman say " i better switch the water heater to a tankless to save money My biggest gripe with these Mental load/emotonal labor concepts is that it starts the victim olympics. One person has to be the victim and the other is the abuser. Communication is mostly key here . I also would love a comic showing a man at work where he worried about retirement and saving enough. He worries about his kids …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 04:58 AM
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I have a hard time and don't know where to take a stand. Firstly, my mother was a single mom and working hard to maintain a house was difficult. I only realized the mental load after I lived on my own. I managed fine but it requires effort. I now see my sister and her husband. Firstly, she complains that he doesn't do enough. Of course, when told he does 100% wrong. He uses the wrong pot. He cooked the wrong meal. He uses the wrong vacuum. The dusting is wrong. It's almost like she's his employe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 04:40 AM
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it's the oldest profession in the world for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 12:47 AM
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Your post is very sensible. I think we disagree on how much is society pressuring vs how much people are internalizing a message. We often hear of the fairy tale romantic gestures that women ostensibly claim they want from men - of course, they want these gestures - but only from the men want it from in the first place. Nevertheless, it's so prevalent in our culture that the prince charming character is in every woman's vocabulary. Full disclosure. I don't identify as being a RP,BP or any variat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 01:58 AM
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more a slight rant about projecting gender expectations on the other. I don't think the OPs logic of men expecting more sex from women is a problem either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 02:36 PM
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I think your assumption is reasonable. Projecting gender views on the other is almost never successful. Partners need to communicate boundaries. BTW women do this too but not for sex. . Women often try to coerce into discussing issues emotionally or on a level that provides no benefit to the men but for the women instead. They pretend that all men would benefit from overtly expressing every emotion at once. It often is of no benefit to men but only serves women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 02:00 PM
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I'm very confused. Do we blame the other gender for the orgasm gap? Is it as simple as that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 05:29 AM
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You said men who are raped are discounted because they dont' show emotion. That's not true at all. They're often discounted because rape laws don't apply to them. It's a sad fact that no one cares about. Again you veer down this path of "toxic masculinity" as if that's the problem for men's issues. Rape --> toxic masculinity because of a lack of empathy. Masculinity needs to change to avoid harmful behaviors. Men grow up in a culture of violence and dominance which leads to male rape. We shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 05:16 AM
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I applaud you for even caring about male rape but you jump back to the same patterns of men being stoic or showing no emotion. You're implying that is the reasoning and the source of their problems. Do you think if a prison rape victim cries, he would be better off? He would feel more empowered? Better yet, if men started to cry in public about being raped, would people care more about them? Should society care more if these victims were writing blogs, or crying on TV? why is sympathy associated…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 06:26 PM
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asking for a friend, but how does one filter for these types of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 04:35 AM
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how about the president of France and his wife? Does that bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:28 AM
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Like I said feminism does good things and sometimes they help men but that's far from their agenda. You bring up a good point about the FBI definition of rape that was changed with the help of some feminists. Don't forget however that many mainstream feminist didn't believe men could be raped at all. The woman who coined date rape said once "“How would [a man being raped by a woman] happen… how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:07 AM
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I believe the majority of women support the causes of men. I also think that men support equality for women overwhelmingly. However, I don't think feminism is the framework for male emancipation as you call it. It serves only to fix equality from a woman's point of view. It creates terms like toxic masculinity and assumes men should solve it on their own. Men will have to find their own way of dealing with these issues alongside feminist goals but devoid of their influence. The majority of men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 12:29 AM
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haha bad language there. my point is that many nurse their children and have to go in for emergencies which is unpleasant to say the least. It's easily manageable but very inconvenient. It's a trade off not many like doing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 04:00 PM
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if you are going to enter medicine which is what your search history shows, then you have to make some honest choices. For instance, a ton of my classmates chose to avoid surgical specialties because it was so demanding and there was no time for a family. If you're a general surgeon attending, would you want to wake up at 3 am for an emergency appendix while you're nursing your kids? It sounds sexist, but it doesn't' change the reality. Secondly, these specialties are also the highest remunerate…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 05:03 AM
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Anatomy - yes. THe pain and daily life of a menstrual cycle - no. You need both sides to get the full picture? Do you see how presenting the academic side of "toxic masculinity" doesn't explain the male experience. In fact, gender studies is far from an exact science and is riddled with biases. It's hard to even compare to gynecology You can argue that all male gender biases are based on men being violent , dominant etc.. There is a counter argument by others as well that argue that men are disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 04:35 AM
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You think because you majored in gender studies that you understand masculinity and men's issues. Gender studies is a field dominated by women. One cannot actually ignore the institutional biases that discuss gender issues. Btw, by your logic as I'm a male doctor, I understand female anatomy and menstrual cycles better than you. Your argument makes my point. Everything is toxic masculinity and that's the root cause of all men's issues. Work related deaths? Patriarchy. Men suicide Toxic Masculini…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 10:52 PM
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This dichotomy and lack of clarify of feminism is the most irksome part. When men want to discuss men's issues, then feminism will say 'feminism is about equality of both genders'. However, the focus is only on women. However, when people push back and criticize feminism for not doing enough for men, two types of responses emerge Feminism focuses on women since they're the oppressed gender for so long. ​ or 2) Toxic masculinity is the cause of ALL issues surrounding men today ​ suicide - men nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 06:15 AM
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yep, but the recycling of abuse is also done by both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 06:05 AM
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are we ignoring that most women prefer WHITE tall men. Tall black men are a a fetish but mostly demonized as predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 03:04 AM
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she is easily close to 200lbs if not over. She may be tall but her body fat percentage is >30%. She is not fit by any definition. I am not trying to shame the weight or size but to say she isn't obese is inaccurate
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:00 AM
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kinda. Toronto is very metropolitan and liberal intermixed with very exclusive racial and religious communities. If you are in a tight knit community, your dating experience may be different as you'd date only within that circle. There is a part of the Jewish community just like this in Toronto. On the other hand, if you're an outsider coming to Toronto with no real roots, things are going to be tough. Using dating apps is tough as it is but imagine the amount of flaking and ghosting in those se…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 06:04 AM
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I don't doubt your mental illness but you have little insight into its effect. People with mania aren't just grandiose, or have flight of ideas. They are downright frightening. They won't sleep, make random gestures and are in no way attractive to most people. When these people come in such a state, people are generally afraid -- not attractive. You claim to be type I BPAD so you should know how frightening it is to your loved ones in a manic state. You may get laid, but it's hardly a sexually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 09:50 PM
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Not a stupid question at all -- very sensible. I lost weight initially because I recognized the reality of being overweight and its effects on my dating life. I was overweight and my dating world was small even if i did select similarly overweight women. It was a narrow point of view for sure but it was the reality. I couldn't expect the world to magically see the inner me or whatever pablum most people read in books/movies. Most of us worry about weight and health in how it affects are immediat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 05:13 AM
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There's not much there in the thread to distinguish a soft no vs a hard one vs a maybe. Women change their minds all the time too as in the case above -- I can safely infer she likely would say yes now. However, he's probably moved on. However, for some guys it works. I am sure you can think of examples from your female friends "At first, I Didn't like him. He was so ___. But he kept asking me out and I"m glad he did". Dumb stuff like that. I personally don't pester since I hate it when it happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 03:43 AM
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For me I had serious conversations with some of my closest friends (male or female). I was overweight. I honestly believed the fairy tale movie dogma that being the good person always trumps being the flashy suave guy. Its struck me real hard that the common narrative of be yourself, be nice and considerate won't work in the dating world. The ugly duckling story isn't real -- especially for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 03:38 AM
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because it works for some guys -- they get the date eventually and attraction develops. I assume you're a woman. You probably don't know the societal pressure to be the initiator all the time -- to approach women and get continuously rejected . You have to develop tough skin and realize that not all 'maybes" are rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 03:35 AM
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In my early 20s I was overweight and desired more "conventionally" attractive women. The few dates I'd get were always with women with certain issues or trying to attain some validation. None would last. Many of these women later told me "I wasn't their type" . I had to find out indirectly they didn't like fat/chubby/curvey/big guys -- whatever the terms are for men ​ I switched over to women who had more mass (i.e weighed more) and definitely got more dates. However, I felt at most I got to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 05:22 PM
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Agreed. But that terrible life choice isn't a car accident or a debt. It has a permanent lifelong effect - a child. Women in their 20s can't plead ignorance , especially in Western societies, that contraception wasn't an option. Making bad choices in their 20s is natural but it doesn't imply you shouldn't face the consequences. A man may get caught underage drinking at 19 but that doesn't mean he shouldnt' face consequences. would you date a man who became paralyzed after getting into a drunk dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:23 PM
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I am very much in the middle. I was raised by a single mother . My dad was abusive physically and withheld his financial support growing up. We were better off living without him. My mom still beats herself up for the bad judgment she had for choosing him but she is a good person and all her kids are high end professionals. She showed amazing character to raise a good family. ​ I think a lot of men, including me, don't like dating single mothers. It's not because they are mothers which is repuls…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:32 PM
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Are these arguments meant to be taken seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 02:21 AM
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Your logic is way too simplistic and based on evolutionary principles that don't apply any longer. For one, those with the highest SES are the ones with the fewest kids. SES--> more money on clothes, appearances --> more attraction --> better mate selection. So ugly guys will not die at any point ever. The better argument is which culture will predominate and be dominant. Will the white male be considered less attractive vs Asian men? Secondly, men's attraction is highly variable on race more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 10:56 PM
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so your rationalization is that MOST men are indeed , objectively ugly. That seems more plausible than women simply are too judgmental based on looks. Your reasoning is that evolution has never allowed women to select based on looks while men were given the option before? I think your argument is too simplistic. It's amazing that women can think that media create crazy beauty standards for attraction. These standards demand so much of women and it hurts women. However, men don't have any societa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 10:04 PM
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I am new to this group, but I find anyone (male or female) brag about how much they drink to be incredibly off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:07 PM
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