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What, do you want me to bring up even worse things popular male rappers have said in their songs about women? I mean, you can. Nobody's arguing here that rich men are enlightened on matters of gender and relationships. You're more than welcome to tell me you hot takes about men based on the words "I just fucked your bitch in some gucci flip flops". I will not contest the ground you stand on, cause what people pay attention to and listen to is a reflection of where they are and the culture they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:53 AM
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According to who?? The manosphere high council? According to common sense. Girls in their 20s who are either completely undecided or are pushing off the thought of having children well into their 30s are not dating men in the present based on some nebulous idea of what's best for the kids. They're not even sure they're going to have any. It's about them, about what they want for themselves. They want riches, they want comfort, they want ease, they want the freedom to leech off of people without …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:27 PM
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I'm hardly high-class, I've got bills
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:13 PM
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Cultural expectations. It's a given that women are "supposed to be" more nurtured and protected. When your daughter says, "I need money" most people aren't going to call her a bum and a failure and then tell her no. Women are provided for more than men. Men are expected to make their own money and to not ask for help and there is always room to tell them no for anything they ask for or need.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:12 PM
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You're gonna have rephrase the question, I'm not sure what you're asking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:51 PM
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Don't deserve to breed. It's nobody's job to fuck anyone in particular. But spreading a prejudice against entire groups of people because of how much money they make is something different than exercising a private personal choice in partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:50 PM
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"Broke boys don't deserve no pussy" was a summertime anthem. Most women are not having kids. And their current dating habits aren't reflective of what they're interested in for a coparent. You're assuming too much intention. Women just look down on men they don't want. It's not this complicated economic argument. Broke men aren't taken seriously, and their misfortune is funny to women. It's not that deep. I'm not indulging your sanctimony on the other points. You're attacking a straw man
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:37 PM
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No there are literally height requirements for sperms donation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:55 PM
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Considering how many women basically say, if you're broke you don't deserve love or to breed, the eugenics claim has more ground than you'd care to admit. And the only people I've seen accuse anyone of slavery is a woman on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:54 PM
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Because they can generally expect to receive help in managing their expenses. Whether that's through simple schedule adjustments with work, financial assistance from scholarships, family, partners, hell even friends (women are more comfortable being roommates with one another). Community exists for more women than men. They're less likely to be totally alone in what they're trying to achieve. It's not just women spending money on themselves, is my point. Guys are expected to take care of themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:38 PM
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Because college costs money. Women cost money. And nobody's going to reimburse them for what they spend. Your girlfriend isn't going to pay your rent for a couple months to help you figure out what you want to do in life. Your wife isn't going to cover the household expenses because you're burnt out from work. There's no subsidy for men to take money for granted. So they have to be more careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:41 AM
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"In 29% of marriages today, both spouses earn about the same amount of money. 16% have a breadwinner wife." 4 out of 25 marriages is not an optimistic stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:37 AM
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That's a cold-hearted thing to assume the other people in your life are cool with without a conversation. And perverse as well. Treating people like free samples is fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:06 AM
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The two could overlap... but more likely in a woman. You're going through a lot of hoops to just say, "I'd probably only be comfortable taking care of my partner if they were a woman." Which is broadly in line with most social expectations and scripts people already follow. You're fine being a breadwinner, for a wife, but not as a wife. You don't value men as a potential home-maker or a child-rearer. But someone who is broke, unattractive and boring? I mean, why? And worse still, you're basicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:36 PM
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If you've gone on dates consistently more than three times, then what the hell is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:18 PM
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I'm also intrigued by your claim that women initiate marriage. When did I ever say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:17 PM
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Once you're involved enough with someone that commitment is relevant to speak of, commitment is the default. If you're not committed, then you're not relevant to one another in the first place. You're not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:09 PM
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Exactly my point. An organic society would facilitate organic relationships. But America ceased to be an organic society long before I was born, and the last vestiges of that old world are dying as we speak. There's always going to be lucky people who have the right circumstances to live the dream, but the rest of us do actually have to ensure that we don't make mistakes and fall through the cracks. We don't get do-overs or charity. Capitalism has destroyed our capacity to live in any other way.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:06 PM
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So much of male dating advice is to not be sexual immediately that I can see it working fine if that's how a man is by default. The thing about the advice most men get is that it isn't helpful, accurate or even for their benefit. If there isn't some kind of sexual tension, most women will get bored and see other people. Not because they want to do anything about it early on in the relationship, but they find being the object of a tasteful attraction from someone that they are attracted to to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:02 PM
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That is very much assumed in any dating scenario unless specified. Pick up artists might advise people to spin plates, but nobody substantial actually listens to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:57 PM
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I'm responding to the title, not whatever... this post is trying to say. Intellectualizing is a trauma response, considering how many stressed out and wounded people come on this forum, it shouldn't be a surprise. And the average person isn't doing all that well in romance. This strawman of the normal person that's above all this internet stuff is just...very outdated. ~66% of young men below 30 were single as of a year ago. Most marriages end in divorce. The birthrate is going down. Wages are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:50 PM
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Your username is presumably a Handmaid's Tale reference, and what you wrote is incredibly prejudiced and bitter. You don't have to be divorced to say bitter prejudiced things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:36 PM
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I typed up a whole long thing, but I'll just say this. For the people that dating is most relevant to, the young, the switch has already taken place and that will definitely not be the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:34 PM
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And, of course, educated men tend to have a great dating pool. Only if they have an income to show for it. And, of course, the likelihood of a big growth in house husbands will probably be tied in part to their willingness to do the job. It's a mistake to think that anything involving men and women will change based on what men have to offer rather than what women themselves want. The defining dynamic between men and women is men offering themselves up and women saying "no, I demand something el…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:10 PM
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Blessed be the (bitter) fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:05 PM
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Cooking should be a given for everyone, but it's not like women are taught how to take care of children anymore than boys are. They're just assumed to be able to, and are put into positions where they have to get a crash course on it. Either because they're parentified by their own parents as children, or end up with kids that they have to take care of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:58 PM
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I mean, thank you for linking Immortal Technique. I'm sure there are a lot of discussion worthy points here. But I have work in the morning and a limited amount of time in the afternoon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 09:48 PM
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I just find that tall women get mad at short women for dating tall guys because they don't "need" to, Either side of this discourse are immature and entitled in different ways. Literally calling dibs on entire demographics of people for your sexual convenience is the height of objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:24 PM
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That's part of prosperity dwindling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:13 PM
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You sound like a narcissist who can't have a conversation without moving the goal posts. Stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:56 AM
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I just don’t understand why these guys automatically go to hating women They don't. Women only notice men struggling well after the point they've given up on solutions, being civil, and generally abiding by social expectations. It's not acceptable for men to criticize women, period. For you to notice a man doing that in any capacity, you are seeing a man near the end of a very long rope. A rope that probably entailed them focusing on themselves far more than others. Have they even considered tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:51 AM
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Are you American yourself? Of course. I wish this were true because then we'd be out of this political nightmare we're in right now. Part of how our alienation from one another works, is that the people smart enough to make a coherent plan for action, and the people who are reckless enough to actually carry them out don't talk to each other. I'm not going to war alone. And when the fools go it alone it isn't war. The smart people don't what's necessary, the idiots do everything but. If we're goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:44 AM
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It won't just be men dying. Only Americans have this cultural notion that war is just something men have to deal with. If things in the world gets that bad, we're all going to burn together. The home front isn't going to get out of the next one unscathed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:40 AM
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The thing about Korea and Japan is that they have highly regimented cultures. Their societies are structured in ways that fundamentally don't produce satisfactory life outcomes, prosperity is dwindling with each passing year, but there is still a mold that people are expected and pushed to fill no matter how they feel about it. The west doesn't have that. The US definitely doesn't. And in that vacuum of structure, there's a lot more room for volatility. Americans like to shoot and blow shit up w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:20 AM
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Dangerously ignorant statements here. Some of the most powerful people in the world right now came of age in the era of the internet that preceded this, and the ideas and subcultures they were exposed to have colored the decisions they've take in government. Elon Musk's department is literally called DOGE cause he's a 4chan, YOLO69420, internet rat. The meme culture, it's real, and there are going to be people who come out of this stuff who will change the world whether or not you respect them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:14 AM
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While I can't cosign ignorance, I can understand and support the spirit of what you're saying. People need distance from the ongoing circle of judgment, prejudice, hatred. We're not made to handle this much negativity, from other people, without it escalating into some kind of conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:06 AM
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There was genuinely a couple guys making arguments exactly like that on another thread. Another unspoken fact of spaces like these is that they attract people who have the free time to complain about this stuff around the clock. That means people that have the money to waste their days on here. Spoiled, out of touch people live on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:02 AM
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The lives of the rulers of a society are not the lives of normal people. Random plebs weren't having orgies in the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:01 AM
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we live in the most hedonistic and sedating times in human history, so i highly doubt we will see some sort of incel uprising. It's all fun and games until the games get turned off. Please don't discount the social powderkeg of our society, especially when you already admit the biggest thing holding it back are material distractions. When the material runs out, the distractions don't work. it's not a coincidence that these things are happening on this exact time line. call me a conspiracy theori…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:59 AM
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What they say?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:47 AM
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....this is "let them eat cake" level thinking here. But by all means, keep thinking like this. You'll make a good meal for starving peasants one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:31 PM
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Easier said than done when the economy is imploding and the government is rounding people up off the streets. Economic viability exists in a broader context than just personal decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:28 PM
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So, please tell the women you love when they’re hurting you. They don’t want to. The question then becomes, "Why do they have to be told?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:49 PM
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We're stuck in a Narcissist's Loop. Lord knows I could go on forever about the ins and outs, but that's at the heart of it. Narcissists weaponize social behavior to manipulate and place constraints on others, both in order to secure their mental and physical comfort, and also as a means of ensuring a place of prominence within a social system. A system can be something as small as a family or a relationship, it can be as big as a country. Fascists, in many ways, represent the political manifesta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:23 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:22 PM
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And the south of where bro? South of the equator? I'm not playing the non-sequitur game with you, but I could take issue with this the same way you take issue with honey. In any case, I apologize. And I'm moving on. I don't get on here to stoke fights.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:06 PM
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Good this isn't in real life then. I'm from the South, "Honey" is what we say to people embarrassing themselves but who don't notice they're doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:32 PM
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Continue?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:30 PM
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Honey. This board halfway exists to tell men that their problems are their own fault and anything women have ever done to them is either fine or they deserved it. The other half is there to do the reverse. This grandstanding you're doing, is in terrible taste and helps nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:33 PM
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This is why I advocate for women to befriend good men and have those men help vet the guys for them. This would only work out for women who are willing to listen to what a man has to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 08:57 PM
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And here's another question, have you personally ever seen a crazy or abusive person and WANTED to be with them over someone better because you WANTED to be abused? No?! Then why is this so hard to understand? Any question like this presupposes that men and women are more similar than they are different. Especially on this forum, that's a high bar to clear just on the basic premise of the question. I can't speak for every man, but I can say that I regularly apply the "Would I do this/Do I unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 08:54 PM
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Yeah, it's the ubiquity that's radicalizing. The idea that you can just "find a better person" makes less and less sense the more it seems like you can't get away from it. If it seems like nearly every woman you come across is going to present some version of traits, expectations, attitudes that make you miserable, that's going to push men to develop ideas and outlooks that lie outside of whatever the norm is. Cause the norm looks like a trap from that perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:45 PM
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52% of men between 18-24 have never asked out a woman in person. For young men who've had little to no experience dating (especially IRL), it's probably more of the manosphere content they consume. Even so, it'd be unwise to assume that this is the case just because they're socially isolated and online all the time. Just speaking for myself when I was younger, I had a lot of female friends. And no one can poison a guy away from approaching women than women who'll treat you like a leper for tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:38 PM
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I went to a concert a few months ago, and the musician onstage was just riffing and telling a story about how male friend of hers was letting her stay with him free of charge while she worked on her music. And even after that heartwarming story where a guy just helped her to get where she is, at some point in the story she said "Men" and all the girls in the crowd instinctively groaned and booed. It's just...inescapable. This shit is just in the air.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:34 PM
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Actual experience. There is nothing that these podcasters that could ever say about women that would gain traction without all the living examples of what some women have done in and outside of relationships making the case for them. But, that's only the case for people who were already adults or at least dating age before this stuff kicked off. The things that little middle schoolers and elementary schoolers are picking up from the internet is a different beast. And I genuinely don't know what …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:30 PM
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Turned on? No. Most men are not in love with themselves that they're genuinely turned on by feeling attractive to others. Confident? Sure. Knowing that you look good helps to assuage insecurities, doubts, and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:32 AM
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An assumption of innocence or victimhood in any situation involving men. In the absence of context or in the presence of deniable\* context, it's understood that the woman should be presumed to be the party that's been hurt, mislead, misrepresented, mistreated. It's that old dichotomy between asking a man "What did you do?" and asking a woman "Why would they do that to you?" * I think it's the deniable part that does the most damage. As people can deny anything. There is no limit on what can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:37 PM
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no one should like a doormat. I've always thought that it's best to encourage people to stand up for themselves. But I don't think I'd like being around one either if they never get out of the habit. a major problem is everyones current lack of tolerance for feeling uncomfortable at all. My reading has led me to believe this is caused by a lack of empathetic, involved parents, without which children are unable to develop resiliency or reach emotional maturity by age 18. (google alice millers boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:40 PM
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which would mean you are asking for women to sacrifice while you don't think you will have to sacrifice much. More that I think I've already accepted that a relationship with a woman means giving up certain things, adjusting my behavior, accepting certain expectations of what I can have and do. In a way I feel I was raised to try and make women happy. If there's anything I've had to learn in life it's to hold women in less esteem. Be less willing to please. Stand my ground more. Women hate a doo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:03 PM
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I sympathize with you. I do think that a large part of why the internet and spaces like this sub in particular get so nasty is that we're all vicariously taking on the personal baggage of the people we identify with in the discussions. It makes us all less grounded. As a guy, I feel the anxiety that some men do over how their finances have been abused by partners, or how they've raised kids that weren't theirs. But at the end of the day, I'm broke with no credit cars and I have managed to avoid …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:41 PM
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Those things cannot coexist no matter how much love is in the room. Ye of little faith True. I meant more like economic differences than religious differences. Maybe even soft ideological differences (reconcilable difference nothing you'd fight over). But fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:31 PM
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Idling at little less than a third isn't good. And this is all data from before the economic consequences of early 2025 kick in. We know that in times of economic hardship that birthrates dip. When I say things are trending toward worse and worse outcomes, I'm taking into account the effect of present issues and their natural consequences. I'll eat crow if a Depression somehow ends up being a good thing for romance in the United States. Whether it's from political dysfunction, tariffs or capital…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:28 PM
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That's kind of hard for me to answer since I think I'm easy to please, perhaps disgustingly so by most women's standards both in friendship and romance. So I don't know what you'd consider similar sacrifice. But I'll try: I. Making an effort to understand the motivations of other people, the ones you're dating, the ones you're befriending as well. I think most people seem to take for granted some kind of truism when it comes to the opposite sex. Women just want money and clout. Men just want pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:24 PM
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The social disintegration that capitalism necessitates is the greatest argument against it. People cannot live like this indefinitely, it will either burn out or blow up, да?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:15 PM
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Not everyone self-segregates themselves to potential partners that are in their exact walks of life. Or have their exact political disposition. There is no political persecution going on. You've got good survival instincts, I'll give you that. That's the safest opinion to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:13 PM
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That being said, if both people are trying their best, and the relationship still isn't working, it's probably time to call it quits. Of course. But I think that would the basis for amicable break up. I don't just mean romantic relationships even if that's what everyone is focused on. If I used to date someone and we broke up because it was just a bad match, that'd be someone that I'd check on from time to time, have mutual friends with, you know what I mean. Immaturity and a lack of any more se…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:10 PM
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It's not healthy, and it's concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:37 PM
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. But I wouldn't say it's particularly selfless to want people to stay in a crappy relationship just because you have a specific view on how relationships should function. Not my point. It's more that crappy relationships will be only thing most people are capable of if we continue to erode our ability to connect to each other. And part of why we're losing that ability is "selfishness". I would prefer to use a more precise word but I tried to write the post in a way that wouldn't be too dense. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:54 PM
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There are many different kinds of men here. I don't think most of them see women as anything close to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:26 PM
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I too would like to know why you hate us so strongly. It's a bit distracting, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:11 PM
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You would think with Trump in office, it'd be obvious what I meant by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:27 PM
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I didn't know we were all living on Plymouth Rock, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:26 PM
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You aren't wrong but it's being fueled almost entirely by women's dating behavior. If you reduce things to just dating, maybe. But I think it's bigger than that. I think that dating is the string to pull to unravel most of the threads though. Most of the stake that people have in each other come from interweaving familial relationships, then the broader shared identities come in on top of those. If familial relationships aren't forming, because people are not forming families or only small ones,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:23 PM
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The OP is another take on the male centric phony "concern for the replacement rate". It's self serving, male centered, and designed to shame women for leaving miserable conditions. Wanting a stable society where people aren't trying to exploit each other is male-centric? Strange ideas from you, always.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:16 PM
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It looks like you did a Rorschach test on what you think that means. But alrighty.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:12 PM
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And society always has to catch up with changes My point is that it isn't, the lack of changes is catching up to society. What we're seeing is the consequences of not adjusting fast enough. We can only change for the better if we get better at working with one another and living together, not worse. There was never an economic necessity to bar women from the workplace I meant the economic necessity placed on women from largely being barred from the workplace. Black and poor women have always wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:02 PM
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We'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:58 PM
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No, because this process did not start yesterday. The roots of the present disconnect between men and women is rooted in the unilateral selfishness that was once enabled by economic necessity. Women, partly, engage with men in the ways they do nowadays because of social attitudes formed and passed down from times in which women were not fully at liberty to control their romantic lives. But it's also evident that those, "Why don't you do right" era attitudes toward men are incompatible with the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:50 PM
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Compared to recent, recorded history, within living memory. Is it an ongoing trend in your view? Yes, and I think it's more likely to bottom out than to be actively corrected. What makes you believe that relationships are in fact disintegrating among people under 30? Rates of singleness, self-reported numbers of friendships, the decline of large popular institutions that bring large groups people together. (church memberships, unions, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:44 PM
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Your boundaries aren't required to match mine, and that's perfectly fine. If you're willing to put up with behavior I'm not, how is that a problem? Okay before I respond to this, what do you mean by this bolded part? Do you mean that in relationships, it's the responsibility of your partner to defend themselves and not your responsibility to treat them well? Or Do you mean that it's everyone's responsibility to individually find relationships that are to their standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:40 PM
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If you both share the same values then why would there be a discomfort? There are external sources of discomfort. Losing a job, losing a baby, bad health, loss of loved ones. Political persecution... Some times people have to mourn, sometimes people need to recover, sometimes things are hard for people that are otherwise a good match. Those sorts of external forces are more what I had in mind. And from the rest of your comment, it seems like you two are also aligned on those external things as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:37 PM
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The problem is that people have seemingly lost the ability to compromise This thought is exactly why I wrote this. I was originally gonna title this "Diplomacy and why it's necessary for society to work" but I figured I was being preachy enough. People have gotten far too used to dying on hills, no matter how self-destructive it is. I know people have always been selfish, but I tried to pick a punchy, generally understood word, for something a bit more nuanced. Being able to put a reasonable par…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:33 PM
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Well bring it on, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:28 PM
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You're approaching this from a fear of limiting your options. No, it's honestly the least of my problems with what's going on, but since we're talking about options. My problem with this societal trend toward greater incompatibility, selectiveness based on short term satisfaction, is that it trends toward greater atomization. Atomization isn't just a problem because nobody finds love, it's at the core of allowing people to cooperate on any level. We are not islands and we cannot survive alone. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:27 PM
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You want to fight about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:12 PM
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Considering most marriages end in divorce, and the vast majority of relationships don't work out, this isn't a given. Most people are quite confused on what to look for, how to get it, and what they have to in turn offer others to get it. Vetting even in the most ideal world (which we don't have) is just one part of the equation that I'm talking about. Vetting is about what you want. Not about what your partner wants, and not about what you're exchanging or committing both of yourselves to. My p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:11 PM
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I don’t understand why we would need to feel discomfort and inconvenience in order to have the same values. The point of the shared discomfort and inconvenience is that it is what people have to do in order prioritize their relationships and partners through hard times or adversity. If you're not willing to endure that then you're likely to end potentially long term relationships over temporary set backs. Or that you would be unwilling to accept a fundamental change in the relationship after a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:04 PM
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I admit that this is kind of a water is wet take, but a lot people seem to act like it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:09 PM
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The idea that men would actively prefer a famous woman to a normal one if given the chance is a failure to empathize. You're centering your own view of life and sex, not what men communicate to you. When men say they'd rather be with the waitress, that's not cope. It's a genuine reflection of their priorities. That's not jumping down your throat. You are not describing how men feel about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:02 PM
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Prisoner of This Subreddit I suggest you slip out while the guards are busy. It's better outside. A dude is probably not going to draw the same conclusions about a woman who looks like this and has kids vs a woman who looks like this and has kids. I'd trust the one with tattoos before the good appearances one. But that's just me. The conclusions you're speaking of are probably coming from other factors like her appearance, how she acts, how she speaks, etc. that were immediately noticeable befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:39 PM
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I’m not sure what it is that makes some men more secure in this way while others feel more fragile. How they're treated. That's the difference. If those men were teased and harassed by their families for doing these things, they wouldn't have such a carefree attitude to it. It comes from their social context. I've worn eyeliner and earrings before, around friends, because I felt comfortable in that particular context. But I don't do that around my family because I understand that doing so would …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:34 PM
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But there are some very stereotypically masculine gay men. And they're considered "straight-passing" for exactly that. There’s no actual loss of masculinity if a man has sex with another man, it’s just straight up homophobia Conventional society is homophobic. And sadly, society has the biggest voice in what is and is not acceptable from men. Seeing as what is acceptable of men is what masculinity is to the vast majority of people. They’re not synonymous, they’re unfortunately tied together in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:35 PM
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This is true. But it also naive to act as if mass culture does not exist. Broad belief systems do exist and are proliferated among populations of people regarding any manner of things, that includes misandry. And those things are spread to those who are amenable to the message. It's easier to sell gender prejudices to their alternative gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 10:15 PM
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Yeah, a woman who's pushed the "I can get things by being pretty and available" button is compromised. Either they didn't have any principles about that or they traded them in for benefits. Self-interested people who are willing to use others to get ahead will shoot you in the knees if they think it'll help them out. Women who don't have values are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:05 PM
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They've got plenty of complaints about those men they're with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:56 PM
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Yeah, this isn't disproving my point. Women don't want men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:22 PM
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Move on pedant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:19 PM
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Have....have you read what women say to us? They hate us with a burning passion, jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:16 PM
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Well if you can answer as to why you're centering men who are already more viable than the average in your "advice" I'd love to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:38 PM
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Why do women have such an impossible time separating men they already like from the men they ignore. Do they learn this aristocratic indifference as children or is it just a habit they pick up from one another? These are all things that boost a man that a woman is already talking to. Most men are turned away at the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:26 PM
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It's weird when the neckbeards end up being kind of right to call man-haters feminazis when they legitimately communicate like fascists. The victimhood complex. The truisms about women being oppressed for 2,000 years (broadly true, but they tend to imply that men were free in those 2,000 years ) tend to serve as a kind of stab-in-the-back myth to justify enmity against men. Men are at once a scapegoat, traitors (to their mothers and sisters), and a threat to their security. You can find a lot of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 08:28 AM
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Whether women are better at cultivating a social life, or society is less friendly to single men, I believe this is the crux of the issue. I think it's definitely the latter. There's a strong impulse in society to ascribe women natural aptitude at things they're simply just more welcome to do. Women are more trusted than men by the average person, especially women. Ergo, they have an easier and more straightforward time cultivating a social life. That's not to mention cultural norms of allowing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 07:14 AM
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Oh look, a pillar of misandry crumbles. Let's see if women change their minds and how they feel accordingly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 06:36 AM
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In group bias from a misandrist isn't saying much. Cops don't tend to be afraid of other cops unless they piss off the other cops.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 06:31 AM
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Because all it takes to kill any of us is a poke. People aren't afraid of a wrestling match late at night. They're afraid of knives and bullets, genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 06:27 AM
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I hate your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:00 PM
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Orgasms for men are not as pleasurable as they are for women. It's not really comparable to say that guy's have 95% chance to have a mediocre feeling of pleasure for half a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:13 AM
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The Brain Rot is spreading... Men have lower standards than women as a response to higher competition from other men, greater selectiveness from women, and the incessant hormonal screaming coming from our gnads. That's it. Women have got to stop projecting onto men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 12:22 AM
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It's literally the way of the world. There are few social institutions more ubiquitous than the expectation of men to self-sacrifice. It literally built the world we live in. I've seen 2 and 3 year old boys get yelled at in their face by their mothers for crying. It's not kind out here. I really don't think women sit with the reality of how men are raised and live. Most men only do the basics for women, but even that helps a lot, and we don't get that much. To be a man, in many ways, is to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:42 PM
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I'm coining an acronym for this. This is RLTV. "Real Life Is Too Variable For General Advice". There are in fact women in this world that for whatever reason in a particular situation will not make life that difficult and gladly enter a relationship with a man they're comfortable with. There are others who will play head games with a situation like this. Some people are head cases, others not. But one thing I can say is that engaging with women as if they're going to make problems will hurt oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:06 AM
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The whole point of advice is to help people. If you're giving advice to anyone, you tailor it to them as best you can so they can succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:37 PM
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I think the balls drained, belly full idea is about what men settle for, so long as those things are satisfied you can generally keep your man. I don't think that's true. But I do think the things that come with those things, in a healthy relationship, check a lot of boxes. And I say that to your credit, most of a relationship is just you interacting with each other in a way that makes each feel good. And that will usually lead back to the bed or to the table. I think it's one of those things th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:00 PM
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penises are some kind of cursed object. With this treasure I summon...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:52 PM
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I would conclude that boys and girls adapt to stressful, neglectful environments in different ways and that it's best to provide nurturing and healthy environments to all children so that they can grow to be healthy individuals capable of empathy and cooperation with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:48 PM
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I kind of respect the dedication, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:44 PM
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It's like saying people feel entitled to a home or clean water. We are making very different points.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:32 PM
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I meant more what did he do that pushed you to leave? But that's good that he was sincere about changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:25 PM
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What'd he do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:20 PM
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Oh you're a fixer. Well I'm glad you got your man. We should all be so lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:19 PM
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Have you found someone that fits those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:16 PM
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Men think that being a functioning human being should give them some basic viability in finding love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:04 PM
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What do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:03 PM
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men are more likely to commit suicide - self harm is not rational In what way? Life and the body can be traps. The only way to escape the trap is to leave. It's not the best decision in most circumstances, but it's far from irrational. What's irrational is clinging to a life you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:02 PM
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But I also suspect there are bots and human agitators spreading toxic propaganda on the Internet to further divide the populace by any means possible, including instigating gender wars. Some people fall for it and some don't. Agreed, not just on this point, but especially this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:00 PM
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That men are entitled. I've never met a man that didn't take for granted, to a self-destructive degree, that everything they get in life they have to fight for it. Whether they analogize it as hunting, or conquering, or just working for what you get, it can be communicated in a dozen ways, but a lot of guys are toxically "meritocratic". It's all about results or nothing. If you can't feed yourself then you starve. No one owes you anything. You don't deserve anything. Unless you go out and earn i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:40 PM
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Veto-ing this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:26 PM
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nothing is way better. I think half the damage, at least with men, is that they come of age with a half decade of nothing already under their belt. I can't speak for women, but by the time I was 18 I was tired of being single. It wasn't that I thought it would be nice to have a girlfriend, or that I was looking forward to spreading my wings and trying new things. I went to college already frustrated. I think it's telling that many men go for hookups to "make up for lost time", because we've got …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:16 AM
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I swear the things people put up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 04:41 AM
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I skim posts for this exact reason, some posts have interesting titles, but the Pill-talk is off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:53 AM
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I don't think anything between men and women is balanced, they seem to agree. Also, their results are a lot less predictable than men's. Yeah women don't generally have good sex, but does anyone? Good sex isn't a given for anyone, but reason would stand that those who roll the dice most get better results. Women who have lots of hookups are the only ones with a real perspective on what sex is like with the average man. Because from what I see of the women on here, they have a very low tolerance …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:45 AM
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Uhh, just picking it apart. I'm seeing some Chauvinism/ Maternalism, Female Supremacy, Internalized And Externalized Misogyny, that's all I really feel comfortable labelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:59 PM
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There is way more to this problem between men and women than sex but most men here can’t see that or refuse to accept that. What else do you think there is? I'm guessing respect and consideration, based on what you've said earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:04 AM
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situational sociopathy? You do realize that this is exactly what is demanded of men right? Like, that's the only sustainable reaction to existing in a constant state of being devalued, taken for granted, rejected and dismissed off hand, and being toyed with, possibly even humiliated by the very same people that you are drawn to and want to spend your life with. At some point you either get lucky and find a woman early on in the process before you're made of emotional scar tissue. Or you learn to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:20 AM
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I think he just wants to hook up, or maybe rant at you about divorce statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:58 AM
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That there is no point. It's weird seeing a woman say this. Y'all have wayyyy more agency in this. You can find someone who meets you in the middle that way, you just have to look. Guys are as neurotic about this stuff because we don't have our pick and many of us don't have a shot. Y'all have options. Why despair or count others out? You can find your special person. You just have to find one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:56 AM
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This guy already expects the worst from women. The idea of you embracing your "own nature" isn't going to bother him. I think a lot of guys here are resigned to women, whatever they do. For better or for worse, it's out of our hands and I've definitely seen more than plenty of men on here say something to that affect. "You shouldn't care about this or worry about that, just perform your gender role and go to the gym. Women are just like that and have never changed, will never change". Fatalism i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:52 AM
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Are you more or less selective? Both, it's kind of schizo. To be honest. The lack of any immediate feedback leads to a very disorganized approach. In real life, you can be a lot more deliberate in who you do an don't interact with because they're actually there. Online, it's a lot like knocking on a door to see if someone's home, even if you've got the nerve, most people either aren't home or aren't going to answer the door. And you can only knock once. If this was a psychology experiment it'd b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:35 AM
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One quote that's never failed to get a chuckle out of me is "Everyone I'm attracted to is a woman because I'm straight"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:35 AM
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I've personally come to the conclusion that if a woman can't give a straight answer about why they do or think something, it's a red flag. "I don't know" could give me flashbacks at this point. It goes in the bucket of things that men put up with to keep relationships. But damn does it feel like you're trying to coax words out of a toddler. Just say.what.it.is. If you cannot introspect, you can't have my respect. As an adult past the age of reason I expect my partners to be self-aware enough to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:58 AM
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Relationship sex is not the same as casual sex. Of course your partner wanted a piece of you, you're a couple and she chose you. Most men are not chosen by anyone. And even if the single women wanted to have sex, they don't want it bad enough to just screw anybody who passes for cute. There are more hoops to go through, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:28 AM
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We want to be loved for us, not because we're the only one that said yes. Ironically, making it so hard to find a partner makes this particular thing kind of inevitable to a degree. It's like job interviews. You don't get more sincerity by raising the requirements, what you get is desperation and better liars. If I thought I could get the job by being honest, I'd be honest, but unless I'm the first guy to interview for the job, then obviously being honest didn't get the last guy too far or else …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:18 AM
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Whatever you say, sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 12:50 AM
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by your logic, any standard at all is a demand Yes. the condition doesn't have to be met But, if it's alright with you, I don't want to keep talking about this. It's just making me depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 12:29 AM
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very few men are with women who do not also work full time, so i dont see how that works. Your expectations are demands. If you expect your partner to work, then that's them meeting your demands. It doesn't have to be an impossible task, but it is the condition that has to be met so you don't leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 12:01 AM
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Mhm. But I will say this. The differences in libido between young women and men make this issue much worse. Because we can see that despite existing in the same times as everyone else. Using apps, staying home etc. Gay people do soooo much better. Girls just don't want guys like that to begin with and not being in contexts that change that (alcohol, drugs, just an environment where people are having a good time, laughing and hooking up) dries up the well even further. They need too much gas to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:49 PM
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Making a lot of assumptions my guy. Any in-person interaction will be orders of magnitude more deliberate than a swipe on an app that takes a third of a second. It's not that they're going to give you a full review process. It's just that it's a lot more helpful than anything you'll get through a phone, that's all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:44 PM
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if you were raised to be cooperative Do you really think that "broke men don't deserve pussy" women are raised to be cooperative people? We live in a very consumerist and individualist society. Are you really going to say that women are the ones who just want to meet their partners in the middle and help each other out equally? Women are socialized to make demands. Men are socialized to provide those demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:39 PM
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juicing up the speed that women make decisions Call me crazy, but I've been around enough women to know that the decisions they make while rushed are fairly different to the ones they make when they take their time. Their impression of pictures on a screen aren't indicative of their general range of attraction outside of that context. That's not even the case for me. What I swipe on is fairly different to who I would talk to out in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:23 PM
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If they wanted to, they absolutely could police these platforms in a way that made them safer, ensured people were quality. But there's no money in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:44 PM
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You're arguing like I'm saying this takes precedent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:36 AM
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A society that wants to survive will provide for its survival. That's why assistance to young mothers exists, that's why families get benefits or tax credits for their children. Society is the sum of people coming together to form relationships. It's not about getting sex specifically. It's about correcting a very warped and damaged culture that absolutely is a problem for any state that doesn't want issues to just fester and get worse. Socially dislocated people are dangerous, and any mass plat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:35 AM
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Gubmint
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:19 AM
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I mean this as a sincere question - as it is we already have weirdos who think public libraries are a waste of American tax money. This is a culture problem. And half the reason why we've gotten to this point (not just about dating, but more importantly things like healthcare and education) is because we've allowed anti-social ideologies to spread and dominate the thoughts of people. You can see it on this sub, the way so many are resigned to things that obviously don't work because "that's how …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:05 AM
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When I say nonprofit I don't mean that as in an NGO. I mean that it should be a non-profit-based platform. It could be subsidized for operating costs by the state. But independently run.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:38 AM
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Yeah, it's really the problem that begets all problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:34 AM
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Found the Fatalist
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:08 AM
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This is why I said it needs to be deprivatized. Dating is never going to be easy for some people, but for those it can work for, there is no good reason to make it harder for folks to meet. When you take money out of the equation, success means dead accounts people getting into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:04 AM
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No clue how it got that long, I swear
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:57 AM
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Not true. There's more than sex and being seen as stable. Interest is what men want from women, and it's more scarce than either of those other two. Men don't want to spend their lives with people who see them as tools and accessories. If the only thing your partner wants you for is orgasms, babies and bills, then that's a shallow ass relationship. Just speaking personally, I want a woman that actually wants to know me, in all the ways that she can. Curiosity, earnesty, mutual connection (which …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:20 PM
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In the same way that a woman might feel reduced to an accessory or a tool if they were told they'd make a good wife. So too do men feel reduced to be told they'd make a good husband. In general, women don't interact with men in a way that would even suggest that he’s everything I’m looking for in a man and would love to be with him over any other man in the world ” Is how you could feel about anyone. And that's obviously not true, but men spend their lives being invisible or resented by women fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:19 PM
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Imagine, human beings being fundamentally the same. What a thought. Maybe one day we'll stop mystifying each other one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:56 PM
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even though we have significantly more severe things happen to us. Basing your approach to society on those who act against social rules and expectations is self defeating. If you treat every man you talk to like a potential rapist, why would you engage with them in the first place? Either you have to accept that most men aren't rapists and work with that, or you don't and disengage completely. There's nothing about the ways women vet their partners that helps avoids being harmed. The pretty boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:45 PM
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Love, all that anyone asks is that you don't be malicious. That's it. You don't have to touch anyone you don't want to touch. You don't have to date anyone you don't want to date. Just don't treat people who you're not attracted to like lepers. That's it. I've heard women say "You can tell a lot about a man by how he treats women he's not attracted to". I'd expand that also to how he treats women that he knows aren't attracted to him. That principle stands for women too. A lot of women are activ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:23 PM
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Using terrible people as an excuse to also be terrible is a feedback loop that serves no one. Nobody's punishing you, for anything. Half the reason guys are so frustrated and lose their minds trying to figure women out is because they have zero cards to play. If a woman wants you, doesn't want you, its out of your hands
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:59 PM
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A mixture of things that are context dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:34 PM
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do stupid things and simply learn about life from the sexual side, there was no one and they spent many years of their youthful horniness alone I think what makes this worse is the ignorance or dismissal women have of this as well. Either they can't imagine it, or somehow think it's completely a man's fault that other people didn't want to be with them, when relationships and dating is much more complicated and chaotic than that. No sympathy also plays a part in the stress of this. Because apart…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:18 PM
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Honestly, it's easier to accept being unattractive in someone's eyes in a way that's certain, rather than being reappraised every time you get a bit more money or buy some different clothes. You have a bad day, bad month, a good day, a good month, they'll look at you different at every point on the graph and that's just inconsistent, it's stressful. If I'm through the door, let me stay. If I'm out, leave me alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:13 PM
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I think women do date comparatively, but I don't think it's completely on a curve. There's a ceiling and a basement, and beneath a certain threshold it doesn't matter if every man is shit, they're not going to deal with them. And I think after a certain point, men do become generally more viable to women. It doesn't mean they won't still choose over the comparatively lower men, but theyd also settle more. An imaginary world where every guy was at least pretty alright would be a lot of women's id…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:40 PM
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The urge to be petty is strong, but I'll just wish luck and I hope you find a good guy. And I hope you treat him well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:48 AM
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Also, men tend to be more forgiving of women making social mistakes than women are of men making the same mistakes. This. If a girl is quirky and you like her, other people have to make that a problem. Because when we like someone, it's not a fleeting thing. There's a reason why men don't talk about getting "the ick".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:17 AM
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Talking to people who are the problem is not the same as talking to people who aren't the solution. Anybody who can say that women get quality responses on apps is waving a scarlet flag, certified cover your drink guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:10 AM
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Yes ma'am. Which is why so many women use filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:42 AM
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It's not that guys don't believe women, there's just nothing we can do about it. What random men do or say to you in the anonymity of the public or in the privacy of one on one interactions isn't anything that we can effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:57 PM
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How the fuck did you find this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:49 PM
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I’m not redpilled but I don’t see the point here , yes women can struggle but their struggles aren’t correlated with their self-worth or financial status but mostly with how other men behave When it comes to dating at least. Which is probably why it's the subject most women are the least reflective about. If they want something, it's like turning an old faucet, you avoid it when it comes out dirty, get it when it's clear. Simple, straightforward, the guess work is about managing filth, mostly. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:40 PM
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That last paragraph was wild. Like...I get it in a way, but it's still fucked up. If you can't find peace of mind with the women you find, then going abroad is a waste of time. Guys like that are going to get a rude awakening when their foreign wife turns out to be just as woman as all the domestic ones they're running from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:33 PM
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